Liverpool Banter Archive February 19 2017

19 Feb 2017 14:10:33
Barcelona interested in Klopp. Thoughts?

19 Feb 2017 14:27:50
not going to happen, daft media stories.

19 Feb 2017 16:16:25
Hope the other daft media story linking us with Gotze isn't true. not good enough and don't need him.

19 Feb 2017 20:35:06
Why worry about us signing Gotze? Yes he's not had the best of times since leaving Dortmund but which manager got the best out of him again? I would trust him to do the same. I think Klopps man management and motivation skills could be just what Gotze needs and I would trust him. I wondered why we signed Wijnaldum. I was bewildered when Milner was put at LB and look how they turned out. Trust Klopp, besides Gotze is still a name that would get young kids excited about buying shirts again and excited about our club once more. In all honesty I don't think we need him in the slightest but if Klopp went out and brought him I have learned through much eating of humble pie to trust in Klopps judgement lol.

19 Feb 2017 21:48:09
Klopp's nothing if not confident. Whilst I think he'd be interested in the Barcelona job he'll assume he can have some success with Liverpool before heading to Spain in a few years. The idea that he may never again get the opportunity wouldn't even occur to him.

19 Feb 2017 23:47:16
Natural Coz he is a CAM and we don't need another CAM.

19 Feb 2017 23:52:17
I thought Klopp said Liverpool will be his last club?

20 Feb 2017 09:22:20
Mathematics If you read the post I think you will find that I said myself we don't need him. You will find that I said I have faith in the fact that Klopp could bring him back to his best. I didn't think we needed Wijnaldum and look what happens when you stick Can back in.

20 Feb 2017 10:02:42
Gotze hasn't progressed and clearly has neithet the fitness nor attitude to succeed. What ever happened to actual scouting, or do people just sign names nowadays?

20 Feb 2017 19:49:10
Leek, Klopp did not say that. He just said that he does not see himself coaching into his 60's. Regarding Gotze, it is just recycling old stories as Goetze has gotten worse since last season and has a poor attitude so why would we want him now if we deemed him as not good enough last season, Poolie? maybe cos he wasn't needed then and is definitely not needed now, in spite of Klopp's man management skills. The guy is simply not good enough anymore.

20 Feb 2017 19:40:53
Completely unrelated with Wijnaldum. Liverpool were in need of a CM last summer with Allen getting sold. We looked at various names including Dahoud and ended up buying Wiji who he see as the player in midfield.

Who are we moving out to bring in a new CAM? We don't play a regular 4-2-3-1 formation and even if we did we deploy Lallana in that role. Wijnaldum also could play that role ( in fact he is at his best in that role ) . Gotze should go to a club who are in need of a CAM.

We should fill positions and not random names mate. We need a Left Winger and not even Messi would do it for me. I pray to god Klopp doesn't buy players who he worked in the past and just fill the positions we are short at.

Would Gotze play as a Left Winger?

20 Feb 2017 19:43:27
Woolback exactly mate.

20 Feb 2017 20:21:00
Gotze is a class player sometimes they just need a chance like Sturridge does.

20 Feb 2017 20:22:52
There was a push a while back to sign nonames, AW, but it just made the jerseys confusing.

20 Feb 2017 21:41:52
If you get gotze playing them you have got some player. 20m for a 24 year old that klopp has a history of working well with.
And when all are fit we don't need him. but as has become clear in recent months when one is out we havt got the same quality coming in.
We are not many city and can't always get the proven, we need to find rough gems or players who have lost their way.
Gotze would be brilliant as it us ability to rest and rotate without losing quality.
Worth I believe worth taking. just my opinion.

21 Feb 2017 13:35:29
Ability and Rotate with whom? You need only two good players for one position. Drop Couts into the middle and that's your two CAM's in Lallana and Couts and bring Julian Brandt to rotate with Mane and Ojo for two wide positions.

People just don't get things at all. No wonder we have 4 strikers and 1 winger. Buying names over positions have destroyed this club.

There are lots of brilliant players available for bargain who would only disrupt the first eleven. How would you fit in a player like Gotze? Would that mean Coutinho will remain at LW which has been an issue from 2 years now?

Liverpool need a LB and LW not any big random names. Gotze might be better than Messi I don't care. I don't need him coz I can't play him.

19 Feb 2017 12:32:37
Have we ever looked at ...........

{Ed002's Note - Take it to the European pages - just another random name.}

19 Feb 2017 11:25:07
Good Sunday all

Eds is there any truth in our interest in Solanke on a free (pending comp) transfer tbis summer? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts - try the search engine.}

19 Feb 2017 04:30:47
Just Wondering Eds if it was up to you who would you rather Brandt or Pulisic? I'd have Pulisic he seems to have more pace than Brandt from what I've watched of them.

{Ed001's Note - no opinion on either to be honest, not seen much of them.}

19 Feb 2017 07:32:44
Seen very little in the way of full games, but I've watched plenty of highlights and read a few scout reports.

I think Brandt is far closer to what we need. He is ready to start week in week out on our left and provide a direct threat similar to what Mane offers on the right. Brandt is not all about raw pace though. He reminds me more like Giggs or McManaman. He just has sublime close control, excellent balance on the ball, and a killer instinct in the final third. He can glide past people and just shrug off the challenge.

Pulisic is still more of an impact sub or cup game cover right now. Probably got slightly more potential than Brandt but he is more about pace. To be the finished article he needs to work on a few things. His first touch needs work, his end product is erratic and he is heavily reliant on pace due to a lack of close control. He tends to just hit it past his man and then back his speed to catch it before the defender does.

I like both players from what I have seen but Brandt is exactly what we need, and hasn't been hyped up to a stratospheric value. Pulisic would probably cost us double what Brandt would and he is not even ready for regular first team games. Definitely Brandt for me. Just my opinion though mate.

19 Feb 2017 09:51:03
Both would be expensive gambles when we have Wilson and Ojo knocking on the door.

19 Feb 2017 10:31:03
They are both way above Ojo and Wilson in terms of quality. That's the truth, if it wasn't then Klopp would have Shey and Harry starting, or on the bench every week. Or are you saying our manager doesn't trust them for another reason.

19 Feb 2017 10:50:15
Just an expensive gamble in an area we are not exactly struggling - scoring goals.
We have a problem conceding too many which is where I think we should concentrate on improving.

19 Feb 2017 11:03:02
We NEED more pace in wide areas. That was glaringly obvious when Mane was out and will be again next season with all the extra matches (assuming we qualify for Europe as expected and don't miserably crash out of all the cups again) .

Brandt has way more games under his belt than Pulisic. He is a key part of the BL team. Pulisic is an impact sub for BD.

Apples and organges really.

19 Feb 2017 11:15:47
Depends on what Klopp actually prefers. If it's a winger with pace as central attribute then Pulisic. If someone more versatile like Coutinho then Brandt. They are both extremely talented and skilful players. But Julian Brandt is a special player. A truly special player. Brandt is young and you could mound him to be any player.

19 Feb 2017 11:52:29
I would go with the Apple .

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't, Apple always overcharge.}

19 Feb 2017 11:53:13
Correct me if im wrong but mk but doesn't your discription of Brandt sound very similar to anothet player we own in coutinho. Do we all want him replaced now?

19 Feb 2017 13:21:45
Has to be Orange really though orange is now ee so who knows what the hell is going on, honestly why isn't there a firm called watermelon.

19 Feb 2017 13:56:41
I'd like Coutinho in midfield with Hendo and Gini.

19 Feb 2017 14:00:40
I agree with Ron here, this isn't a major problem our defense is a problem, as he says we are scoring, yet conceding far too many, young Ojo I look forward to hopefully seeing more of next year.

I'd go for a new attacking signing if we lost Firmino and or Coutinho but as it stands we don't need to add anyone imo the defense must be top priority, it's really not rocket science is it? The defense is the biggest weakness in our team, it needs dealing with in the summer or it'll be the same old next season.

19 Feb 2017 14:38:13
Think we need both of them with champions league next season we can't call on youngsters too much especially talented ones such as ojo and Woodburn. the team needs more depth if we are going to challenge in the champions league every year.

19 Feb 2017 15:19:08
Like we did the last time cy? What was it 7 signings? Howd that work out.

To many additions and you risk upsetti g the balance in the team, chemistry in the dressing room and potentially pissing players off who have worked there ass off to get to the champions league if you start just replacing them all.

1 or 2 additions at most.

19 Feb 2017 15:38:43
We didn't struggle in January with Mane's absence alone. Conceding some of the goals the way we did had nothing to do with missing Mane. We did miss him but that's not the sole reason for our miserable run! Ojo wasn't ready to replace Mane while absent but I'm sure by the start of next season he will be ready to play some part in things, ease him in and I'm sure he will be great for us. Pointless spending £30m upwards on someone when given time Ojo could become just as good. I'd rather spend on strengthening where is needed. If Sakho's time is up (which I hope klopp has a change of heart and gives him another's shot) we need a quality centre half. If Stewart is deemed good enough he needs to be given the chance alongside Hendo, if not we need to sign a replacement and let the boy go and continue his career elsewhere. We need a goal scorer if Sturridge is off, someone who fits our style of play and personally I'd replace clyne and Moreno.

19 Feb 2017 18:09:12
Hmm WelshRed.

So you think a striker is more needed than a winger? Okay.

We do have 4 senior strikers though and only one senior winger. Origi and Sturridge already aren't getting games and that's with Ings injured.

Surely a winger is far more of a priority? When Mane doesn't play, we have no width or pace.

19 Feb 2017 18:45:19
Ron and LFC16, comparing Ojo with Brandt is just illogical as senseless as it does justice to neither player's capabilities. Brandt is more developed already at 20 than Ojo is, plain and simple. Brandt is capped 4 times already by Germany, played in the U20 WC (watched him there for the first time), played at the Olympics, played over 70 games for Bayer and has CL experience, all this and I haven't even mentioned his immense talent. Ojo is simply not yet in his class, end of.

Brandt can play anywhere in the attack, is two footed tho mainly right sided, can shoot with either foot and can score from free kicks. The kid is special and you can see why Klopp wants him badly. If Ojo was as good, why wasn't he already playing in Jan? That would be because he isn't as good as Brandt, that's why. Will he be? I hope so.

20 Feb 2017 09:33:08
If your strategy is based as much on attack as ours then losing the ball is always a risk meaning our defence is often gojng to be put under pressure. Unless Klopp utilises a CDM which he has shown no inclination of doing then I think any CB pairing is going to struggle. If we cut out the soft goals from GK errors I think this would have a bigger impact on us. I'm not sure the GK are wholly at fault here as I don't think our current GK coach is up to the job. In fact every GK has sttuggled under Achterburg despite their good form from their previous club. Even Pepe deteriorated under him.

20 Feb 2017 15:27:58
Puzzled. if you read my post properly I said we don't need to splash 30 million on a wide player when we have Ojo. Surely that's not hard to take in?
I said we need a striker IF Sturridge is moving on NOT at the expense of a wide player. We create so many chances but lately Our finishing has been way off, Sturridge used to provide them goals but sadly he's not quite up to his former standards. In an ideal world Origi will step up to the plate and provide them goals, Ings will come back strong and chip in and Firmino will continue like he was at th start of the season, allowing us to ease young Woodburn in with no pressure on the young lads shoulders!
You misread it and it's left you puzzled.

20 Feb 2017 20:13:05
Natural Poolie, I agree with you regarding the GK issue. Klopp does not use a CDM in his system and that has been the case since he was at BVB. When he was at BVB when they won their first title, Nuri Sahin was the CDM (more a pivot that Hendo plays now) and they were great and had the best defence in the league that season. That is what he is trying to do here with Hendo and he has been a revelation there.

If you look at the way we killed off both Spurs and City after we scored, it is the whole midfield that does the defending. You could see Hendo, Wiji and Lallana, all helping out with defensive duties which collectively, snuffed out both teams. Aguero and Kane didn't get a kick and we were never in danger in both games bar one shot at goal in both games. That is what Klopp's defensive system looks like.

It may not work all the time and a CDM could be bought to hel Hendo out BUT to say that that is what is needed, is incorrect at least as far as Klopp is concerned.