Liverpool Banter Archive December 19 2012

 

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19 Dec 2012 23:56:31
Players in
ST - Daniel Sturridge - £12mill
LW - Tom Ince - £4mill
RW - Jeffren - £400k loan (with option to buy for a further £6mill)
AM - Philippe Coutinho - £9.8mill
LB - Didac Vila - £300k loan (with option to buy for a further £3.5mill)
- £26.5mill

Players out
Sahin back to Real Madrid to go to Borussia Dortmund
Pacheco - loan (blackpool)
Downing - £8mill
Cole - loan (QPR with option to buy)
Coady - loan
Sama - loan
+ £9.5mill

net spending £17mill


Brilliant! How we going to pull this off?


Nice quiet jan window....sounds ok just can't see it...Llorente would fit in well but we won't get him till the summer he should sign a pre-contract!! YNWA


Would rather keep sahin and let him play where he wants.

Rk


20 Dec 2012 06:14:30
Llorente is a Giroud-type player, a 'big' front man. He won't suit Roger's style. Plus he's lost pace and will struggle in the EPL.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 23:51:56
Waro, Ozone, LiverBird and Pacman - four of the biggest moaners and critics of FSG and BR on this page. All entitled to their negative opinions ten times a day, of course, but moaning without providing any solutions is like expecting to win the PGA Masters without bringing your clubs.
I'd love to hear from these posters as to what the future strategy should be for LFC? Hopefully, it will amount to more than finding an oil magnate but I'd love to hear solutions other than getting rid of the owners and management.

cozinoz


I just heard the pin drop...


I agree Cozinoz...

Whatever solutions they suggest it's unlikely they'll be the same, so the bickering will continue. Call me old fashioned but I'll be sticking with the current professional management until further notice. It's all so easy to tap away on a keyboard & shouting about where it's all going wrong, but unless you're living in the world of EPL football 24/7, your opinion carries little weight...so drop the anger. It's just not very pleasant for the rest of us.

dd


Well obvously they would re-hire king kenny or rafa, find a multi billionaire arab or russian then sign lewandowski, falcao and co

Obviouslllyyyyyy

TROLOLOLOL


Very refreshing to see (from the agrees & disagrees above) that the majority on this forum, are still sane... :-) ra1969


20 Dec 2012 09:55:22
Cozinoz,did you not see the arguments between myself and shak and a few others this week?
They post crap and spew hate over our beloved club,and get pissy when people tell them.
Don't feed the trolls buddy,they will get bored and move on!
WelshBoyDave


Ha ha ha ha, Welshboydave you and cozinoz don't even go and watch your beloved Liverpool, L.F.C.'s number one fans. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Your a walking conradiction lad.

Waro


20 Dec 2012 13:06:34
And you have an iferiority complex.
"Agree with my negative comments or i'll trash everyone of you by name,grr".
If you want to post nonsensical garbage about everybody being under par,thats your prerogative.
Don't throw your toys out of your pram though when people are telling you all you talk is s*i*e.
Whatever dude,i guess going to Anfield doesn't make you a knowledgeable fan.
I've heard fans of other clubs talk much better about Liverpool than you have.
Hows the atmosphere down Anfield by the way? I suppose you contriubute to the lousy atmosphere.
Do you actually sing? Or just group with the other no-marks and bitch about the club?
WelshBoyDave


Hey Waro.
I go to watch LFC. I've been to over 30 home fixtures and about 20 away as well as 1 ECL semi-final and 2 ECL finals (Istanbul and Athens). That doesn't qualify me any more than any other fan to have an opinion about the club. it just means I've been lucky to have the money and opportunity to go to a few matches. Are you saying you're LFC's number one fan? You don't even understand or respect the culture of the club, nor do your constant criticisms indicate any real knowledge of how the club, the league or football generally works. You just come across as a badly informed, arrogant, insulting dimwit. I don't even think you're a real fan. The process of winning in football is about putting together the ethos, structures, coaches and players to progress together towards success, which is only attainable over time with the application of vision and hard work. Our part of the deal as supporters is to create the atmosphere, at matches and around the club in general, of support and encouragement so that the transient staff understand and appreciate that when they play/ work for Liverpool they do so for a special institution where the bond between the supporters and the staff is closer and more saupportive than at other clubs. You're not part of that and accordingly not really part of the ethos and tradition of the club. Supporting Liverpool is about something more than just wanting to win and slating the team if they don't - we've always been a club where we stand and fall together as supporters and friends. Would you have been singing YNWA at the top of your voice at half-time in Istanbul like I and thousands of other proper fans were? No, I don't think so. We were singing not because we thought it would help inspire a comeback (three down against AC - no way) - we were singing to let the team know that even though they were being slaughtered we were there with them and they had our support. We were singing to let the world know what kind of fans we were and what kind of football club we supported and were a part of. You wouldn't understand.

Biscanifyoucan


There you go Biscanifyoucan yet another wodden head jumping on a bandwagon, my only complaints/grumblings about the club are the owners. Like a lot of be**ends on here you see the name on the bottom and without fully reading the post can't wait to moan and criticise. Do one lad, theres a village missin an person.

Waro


Well Mr Cozinoz,

You are welcome to go over my posts and see where I have said that I want FSG out...

I sign all my posts....

Please dont write baseless stuff...Whatever I try to post anything, I back it up with sincere facts and observations..

(Now I understand the pain that Eds have to go through when having to reply the same thing over and over again....)

I will repeat again, I want BR to be given till the end of next season but I am not prepared to insult my intelligence by blindly believing him especially when his high handedness with the players and lack of transfer acumen has cost the club dearly in a season where fourth place would have been an easier walk with a meaner defence and a purposeful strikeforce(which was frittered away by Rodgers)

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 23:47:24
Sturridge and ince are our targets its starting to feel like de ja vu to me buying overrated british players. i kno we dont have champions league and loads of money to throw about but surely theres got to be better optio s out there than them. Looks like rodgers is gonna waste more money just like the 15 mill on joe allen and the 8 mill or so for borini. {Ed002's Note - Borini cost £11.7M and Allen £16.7M.}


That's Euro's Ed002 not pounds.

BthekingB {Ed002's Note - No, it is pounds. The Borini fee was 13.3M euros. You should perhaps take a look at your own post of 17 Jul 2012 13:20:29.}


Ed 002 .. Show me some facts that we paid more than £15 for allen....starting to wonder who you lot actually support? {Ed002's Note - What has the fee paid for Allen got to do with who people support? The registered fee was a little over £16.7M.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 23:45:21
Don't worry, Sterling has just signed long term deal.

Unfortunately Sturridge is a done deal.
Ince is very close.

One more to come, will confirm as soon as.

LFC1


2 out of 3 aint bad. We dont need Ince.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 23:22:31
Sterling has singed a new contract at anfield for 5 years.


I thought he was nailed on to go to manutd or swap for walcott


 

 

19 Dec 2012 23:21:21
I wish some of these players understand what it means to play for us and this great club.


They seem to have no idea how pampered they are and the astonishing amounts of money they earn.

Get real players - the average YEARLY salary in the Uk is 25k.

These young ( and older players ) asking for 30k a WEEK have no idea of the real world and the lives of ordinary fans.

VK


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:56:05
Macca, Can you please tell BR to play Suso with 2 defensive midfielders in the 3 central positions for all games going forward?

I believe this would sort 99% of liverpool's attacking issues and make us really exciting to watch.


Yeah and tell him im free after the new year if he wants some more faces to rotate the squad. I will give 100% every time


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:53:36
is alexis sanchez of barca or llorente possible targets?

dannybhoy


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:52:29
its time for our owners to prove they want us back at the top. when they came in they said they could compete with anyone financialy so lets see walcot lorente huntellarr not sturridge long or ince


And what do we do if they dont want to join us?

Shak Attack


FSG are steamlining the business.

Expect no major investment until Eufa enforce the FFP rules. That's investment in playing staff or stadium.

If uefa enforce the rules they will crack on with the stadium. If they don't FSG will sell on for a tidy profit.

Liverpool Cabbie.


20 Dec 2012 09:58:15
How many times can the owners dip into their pocket?
We have already had massive investment,it was wasted.
This is a terrible stick to attack the owners with,they do not deserve it.
WelshBoyDave


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:52:25
Ozone and liverbird

U say u wouldnt swap the league cup and 100 million for anything in the world

LOL thats funny, coz u r the same guys complaning we arent attracting top players

The cup win was nice but for 100 million i expect a top 4 finish atleast as the league is our bread and butter

+ if we had CL we could attract all the top names u crave

CL is the only way we will be financially good to invest and the only way we will attract the best players again

CL is the aim for now, any cups along the way is a bonus

In Brendan Rodgers I trust.

Shak Attack


20 Dec 2012 00:07:12
Shack attack in which planet you are mate now days players want decent wages rather then champions league or else teams like arsenal, lyon etc etc would be haveing world class players or team like manchester united who a player is assured trophys still pay 220k aweek to attract top players. Even the likes of Madrid and barca pay big wages to attract top players despite haveing champions league and trophys. If liverpool start paying top wages then top players are going to run neked for liverpool despite not haveing champions league or even if we are lying midtable.

The problem at our club in moden footy has been stadium when Dalglish had 100M to spend but still we couldn't attract top players coz we have limited wages compare to our rivals same with Rodgers he can't buy top player even if he has 30M to spend on one player coz any world class player will want 160-180k aweek or class player will want 130-150k aweek.

Our problems won't be solved until stadium issue is solved the reason why united can compete with the likes of chelsea or city is coz of their stadium revenue and commercially are very strong. By winning trophys you don't get lots of money that's why teams like city or chelsea or madrid even barca run with loses.


OMG!! What is the 1st response going on about??

I know its not only CL but for us to be able to afford better wages and top players then CL is vital and not only or players for the stadium and general future of the club

I was pointing out to sum moany posters who expect top draw players but "wouldnt swap a league cup for anything" that, that is a contradiction as we need CL status and cl money to compete with more clout

Good grief

Shak Attack


20 Dec 2012 05:02:42
So shak attack sturridge and ince are going to take liverpool to top4 haha good for you mate just be ready for more excuse like Allen and Borini when sturridge and ince don't perform.


What's the first thing a player says when they want to join a club? I want to compete and play champions league football! Champions League football gives you the extra money to pay higher wages. It runs hand in hand. Top class players want to play week in week out. That's why Suarez wants to play every single game.


Lets summarize ur views again :

1. We complain that we cant attract top players.
2. League is bread and butter and cups are of lesser significance.
3. UCL will help us attract better players.
4. Main aim is 4th place and cups will be a bonus.

Here are my answers :

1. I dont remember saying so.
2. Who says NO?
3. I have never disputed that.
4. I believe the same

So Shak Attack,
what is your problem then?

I have my views on Brendan Rodgers.
If you feel I am wrong about Rodgers on the points mentioned by me, I am open to a debate on those points.

Dont just write anything for the sake of it.
I thought you had something meaningful to say, but I can't see any of it.

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:51:17
I can guarantee you that liverpool will not be signing sturridge in january as liverpool have, in the last couple of days iv been told, refused to match his massive wages. no big loss as far as im concerned. also, walcott will sign a new 4 year deal at arsenal within the next 8 days. not that we were particularly interested.
unfortunately, it does seem we will highlight our idiocy by resigning ince for 10 times what wesold him for.
my opinion,most likely striker signing will be llorente, this will be kept quiet, most others chased away, he doesnt even play but is a proven goalscorer. however from what i am told it is a serious concern we will waste money on the youth (ince) before decioded against spending any more money.
first time poster, read the site all the time, only decided to post becausei have been given information from someone reliable and im sick of the total rubbish made up on here and everyone asking about sturridge.

Red4Life


^ Really hope your right about Sturridge!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:50:49
bbc reporting that sterling has shook on a 5 year extension worth 50k per week


I heard it was 30k per week?
lfclegends999


Loving the disagrees, although it's clearly visible on the BBC website, there are some who are just not having it, ha!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:48:41
Damien Camolli basically let slip that Tom Ince left Liverpool with a sell-on clause therefore making our transfer fee for him lower this time round! Interview from . hussanchoudhry


 

 

19 dec 2012 22:46:47
please please please can someone tell me why we cant just buy an out and out striker . we keep looking for everything else but.this has now gone on for to long we need a striker


Suarez is our central striker

We need players who are capable of scoring from wide positions and Suarez is world class and more than capable

Shak Attack


Shak u are blind anyone can see luis is better doing wat he likes out wide then here there and every were so we need an out and out striker and luis playing were and doing wat he wants like a free role

mike


Rubbish, before his ban he was PL top goal scorer and u want to put him on the wing an replace with a 10 goal a season llorente,

Suarez is too slow to play on the left but as a false 9 he's perfect as he can venture out wide and create spaces for other faster wingers to run into the space

And no not blind, just logical


Shak Attack


Llorente is a 20 to 30 goal a season striker, and let's be honest, Suarez has brilliant games, and then there are those games when our midfield don't exactly click so he's left isolated and we could really use an alternative. With Suarez we become predictable, that's why we need a top quality alternative to put oposition on their toes


Llorente a 30 goal a season striker? LOL no way mate look at his stats

I like him but hes a littke over rated

Shak Attack


School him Shak.

Good work.

BJH YNWA


I disagree.....

Llorente is the best striker Rodgers can have for his system...

Some issues are :
1. We already have Suarez
2. No one knows what Llorente is looking for in his next club
3. The wages he might demand may not be digested by FSG

But when seen in isolation he is the best guy available....Why?

1. Plays very well with back to goal
2. Very good with hold up play and linking to the midfield..
3. Has pace as well as power
4. Has scored loads of goals against teams who defend better positionally compared to teams in Premier league
5. He is very strong
6. At 27, he can be the best recruit a club has got for a long time...

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:46:21
The loan we want is Gameiro... The reason is because Walcott is looking unlikely right now.

Ince and Sturridge will be the other signings made.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:45:41
a website are reporting Stirling has signed a 5 year deal. Will officially put pen to paper before the Fulham game. Excellent news.-


Maybe he will concentrate on his final ball now......


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:39:55
Liverpool winger Raheem Sterling has agreed a new five-year contract, committing his future to the Anfield club until 2017

future looking for LFC!

Kop71


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:26:43
ed is it true sterling has signed 5 year deal?

thanks

bigW {Ed002's Note - It is.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:38:42
Sterlings signed a 5 year contract!!!! Great news!
RedRocket


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:35:27
Sterling 5 year deal done confirmed


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:35:09
So...Daniel Sturridge.

I for one wouldn't be too disappointed. I know he's not R.Falcao but for where we are, I think he could do a job.

People mention that he can't get into the Chelsea team but I don't think thats the most reasonable argument. He had Drogba to compete with (which team wouldn't he have got in?) and then Torres (he gets selected on the basis that he cost 50 million and the owner would like some return on that figure).

He's scoring record seems ok, particularly his spell at Bolton and he's still young enough to improve.

I for one will get behind him and any other signing the club makes.

IncaMan


Agreed

Shak Attack


20 Dec 2012 11:02:11
He makes excellent runs in from the channels to find scoring positions,he will work well in our system.
The messiah maybe not,but will he improve us and add goals to the front line? I'd wager so.
£12 million really isn't that much of a gamble either.
WelshBoyDave


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:31:08
Raheem Starling has signed a new 5 year deal with the Reds! Now we just need to continue pursuing Danny Sturridge & Tom Ince and we may have a good 2013 :)

DJ


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:29:57
I don't understand why so many fans of other clubs constantly spam our news articles, forums and fansites.

It's just pathetic, I mean I understand a bit of banter and the occasional imposter turning up to our pages (not just this site) but on sites like BBC I do not understand why they allow comments on all Liverpool's articles. 90% of the comments are non-LFC fans and about 10% are pretty decent people, but the rest... Well I'm sure you know.

NY23


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:29:38
Sterling signed!!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:28:11
I posted a little earlier Ed's and it wasn't posted any reason why? Infact the conversation I commented on seems to have gone too. Thanks.

Waro {Ed002's Note - Then it seems someone deleted it.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:25:22
Sterling 5 year contract ....BBC Sport
Wicklow Red


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:17:54
Sterling agrees 5 year deal in principle goin frm 2000pw upto 30000pw


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:11:52
I can't wait to see the posts after the Fulham game.

If we lose, we'll see most people saying that BR needs to go..

If we win, we'll see most people talking about top 4 and how great we've become.

It would seem that there is a very thin line in the support for our manager these days.

Let's all get behind the whole club like they deserve. YNWA.


Whether we win, lose or draw i will still be here supporting. BR deffo needs at least two full seasons in my eyes.
huddz red


 

 

19 Dec 2012 22:10:21
Sterling set to sign a new contract £30,000 a week on a 5 year deal


I'd do it for half... what a lucky boy! They probably have not clue how lucky they are!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:50:54
I can see LFC buying neither Walcott or Sturidge in Jan.
I think us fans will be in for a surprise for Jan.

FowlerGod.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:49:52
We need a number 9 and number 10 don't we, who would yours be?

For me...
I'd go for experienced players in....

9. Villa or, (Huntelaar)
10. Sneijder or, (Alonso)


I would give Rachel Riley a 9 and Cameron Diaz a 10 !
DM2012


Alonso is not a number 10. If it was and been semi-realistic I would go for isco and lewandowski.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:40:44
Why does everyone think Ince is good he's just not, he's good in the championship but he's no better than that level I'm afraid. Yet another dull season being a red! Hope things get better soon (fed up) liverpool fc is my heart an soul lads before you start the ohhh your miserable be positive an all that crap! I go week in week out been to 4 European cup finals and we have went down hill year by year. It's so hard to watch the team now after how good we were. I know I've got to forget the past an move forward but it's hard. I'm sure a lot of you agree.


Can't be that bad if your still going every week.

MIKEY


Need some tissues?


How exactly do you know Ince is not good enough? he is 20 years old for gods sake how can you can possibly say he is not good enough?

Liverpool fc is not what it was get over it. We will be champions again. If you don't believe this then why be a fan. The whole premise of being a fan is hoping for better and believing!

Glen


I have been to 7 European cup finals and I am willing to give Brendon time. We all know what has gone on for years but how do you get out of it? Leave it to the people who, hopefully know better than us and give the shirt all of the support that you can.
Robbie


He's better than what we got at the moment. Im hally we are buying him and not letting man united take him so he can bang in goals for them and have their fans having another reason to mug us of

Was a massive mistake in letting him leave

Shak Attack


If your not happy sell me your season ticket I'd gladly take it off your hands.

Ashy


I do see your point and it is annoying all of us but moaning about every signing we might make and sacking our manager every season is going to continue to get us nowhere. Rodgers needs a fair crack and so does all of his signings.
derryred


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:39:12
Nice one Everton !


19 Dec 2012 23:44:19
What did Everton do?


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:21:45
I can confirm Sturridge will leave Chelsea in January. I am unaware of where to but he will defiantly be leaving the club.

Also Ince deal is not happening he will either stay at Blackpool or leave for a lower profile premier league club, possibly Aston Villa or Norwich.


Ah, ha.
Smokescreen time.
I wonder who weber REALLY bringing into the club then.....


Lol. Love the idea of defiantly leaving a club. Accidental genius there.

Len


 

 

19 Dec 2012 21:13:53
i really dont no y we wont jeffren if we get sturridge and ince cant see him getting a game with us if he cant with them no way he will even be match fit look at assaidi he is still not deemed ready for the epl all we will end up doing is paying wages


 

 

19 Dec 2012 20:56:11
Just wondering what you guys think of this question/debate including eds.

How much do managers actually impact the team?

So like you can all blame the manager all you want but surely there are many other factors out of his control.. Such as

how the players perform. They are earning alot of money they should be technically spot on all the time no mistakes no missing easy goals. What can a manager do if they miss an easy goal?

How much they have to spend? Obv some managers have alot to spend where as some has limitations. Can any average manager do well with a club like man c?

Luck. There is alot of luck in football decisions is a lot to do with that maybe like messi missing a penalty against Chelsea. I mean when does messi ever miss a penalty?!

What club they inherit. So say BR went Barcelona he's got a club of his style already with some amazing players. I'm pretty sure he would be winning right now and being in the champions league can affect transfer targets.

I would also say transfers come into lck who would of thought michu would be banging in as many goals as he is now? Any club with him doing that is going to be doing well!

What you guys think?

Red twist {Ed052's Note - managers impact almost everything mate. Very few clubs will go above them, e.g. transfers (maybe exluding Chelsea e.g. Torres. They control transfers, who plays etc, in most scenarios}


Yeah ofcourse they make a impact but like say when we lost against Aston villa surely our players should be blamed alot as well because they are meant to be better players? I know football don't work like that all the time but when everyone just says get the manger out do you recon say mourino could come and make a massive impact?

Red twist


19 Dec 2012 22:11:17
Mate sry to say Barca even don't know who Rodgers is. And its really hard to say Rodgers will be successful with barca coz they play same style or have good players. You need a lot of things to be top manager rather then just style or tactics.
Look at Fergie he is not good at tactics or have world class players or have style but he has

Experience
Very srong mentality
Ability to handle pressure at any stage or level
Very,very confident what he does or what he thinks
His biggest achievement in my opinion is he instiled winning mentality through training ground. Even when they are 3-4 down they are very, very confident to comeback and win the matches
And least not the last a manager who doesn't like to loose any game at any level if he looses then he needs to blame players left, right and centre. If you see all top managers they will not except mistakes from players or they will be benched no matter how big a name he is.


Ferguson "not good at tactics or have world class players or have style"? I am not too sure about any of those points. I agree with the rest but I think he is pretty sound tactically, Utd have had a distinct style for 25 years and United have had plenty of world class players over the years. I agree with the rest for the most part however.

Andy K


Agree on Ferguson but you forgot about "Luck" this is an important element in any success story.
Ferguson was on the brink of being sacked and then lady luck smiled on him and they scored a late goal in that Fa cup game.
kidmillions


 

 

19 Dec 2012 20:49:05
Hey eds I am just wondering where you think lewondowski will end up? There seems to be links with man u, Chelsea and bayern but I don't see how man u would need another striker, they need a midfielder. I can see how Chelsea would need him if they don't get falcao and why would Dortmund want to sell to their rivals bayern.
I wish Liverpool broke the bank and at least made an effort to acquire some more ambitious targets. Not that anything is wrong with sturridge, just i think there are players that could make us better and would be available
Sam lfc {Ed052's Note - I dont think it will be Chelsea. Bayern and United I would suggets}


Poland.
kidmillions


19 Dec 2012 23:05:31
Ed52 mate how many strikers are united going to buy sry mate can't see united spending another 20M+ on striker as their midfield is kaput they need to spend heavy on midfield as they are found out at champions league against decent oposition {Ed052's Note - I still thikn a striker is not their main target but if Rooney or Hernandez moves? A midfielder is target for them right nowhowever}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 20:48:26
Eds,

Can u verify this gud news. Heard from trusted source Rodgers will have 40M to spend in January. Is it true?

Also, is LFC interested in signing Lucas Biglia? Heard he can leave if we can offer him around 8-10M.


Thnx much Eds. Jimmy LFC. {Ed052's Note - Again, there is not fixed budget. The owners will be supportive. We have no interest in him that I know}


No, not 40 !
But 50 !
50p


 

 

19 Dec 2012 20:26:47
5 players at arsenal have signed new contracts but not Walcott. Is this a big sign that he will make a move? {Ed002's Note - No.}


It's obvious, he's stalling until transfer window - see what offers come in - then decide what he wants to do...


 

 

19 Dec 2012 20:04:04
not so much a rumour but listened to little spanish guy on spanish football on sky. he said although tello has just signed a contract at barca he has a buy out clause for 10 mill which his agent insisted on and also villa will leave barca and cos contract expires next year could be bought for 15 mill although 30 would get a few seasons out of him may be a lot for a player of that age but would fit in with br football instantly and what a top 2 of villa and suarez plus could just propell us to a platform we could really build on and if we were to get in to champs lge then that money would be coming back the lad is still quality


 

 

19 Dec 2012 19:59:05
I still have faith in Borini. I think if we get in another striker to take some of the pressure off the kid he'll come good. His movement was fantastic, its just suarez and assidi faking the cross 18 times with Borini having to stop start stop start stop start his run, must have given the kid a headache. Him coming back rejuvenated in January will be as good as a new signing, a fresh start.
Andrew


Andrew Did'nt you see the interview he gave to the Italian media a month or so ago? Well he told them that he was forced out of Roma that he really did not want to leave! And stop start career at LFC? He was getting played constantly to no avail then he got injured!


To the unnamed poster - I read that interview, he said he was upset to leave Italy as it was his home. He'd found stability at Roma after his ownership dispute with Parma, bearing in mind at this time he was 20 years old. It's gonna be a massive upheaval for a lad of his age to switch 3 clubs in such a short
space of time. Either way, he cut his holiday short to join Liverpool and adjust to the team, and he put his heart into every performance and you could see it.


Also, Andrew raised a good point as far as stop start - it's hardly fair to judge him after a few games, then he's out with a broken foot, something that wasn't discovered until he was with Italy on national duty. This kid has had a hard time from fans, I actually think his positional awareness and his tracking back are fantastic, and at Roma he proved he's a good striker. He should be given the same treatment Lucas has had after returning from injury - played with caution and full support. I remember him during the Young Boys game running along the goal line revving the Liverpool fans up. I've got faith this lad is gonna be a good buy, although I'll expect the standard 'he's rubbish you're deluded' responses.

JFT 96

JP


Unnamed poster I disagree. Borini was doing all the nitty gritty stuff that some fans don't notice and don't give praise for. As JP said his tracking back and work ethic were top notch. I remember on quite a few occasions when Borini's runs took defenders away and opened up shooting space, or dribbling room that led to goals. That movement is crucial to the attack but goes unnoticed by some.

He seems like the sort of quiet, laid back footballer and the constant moving must have done a number on him. I think he just wants to find a place to call home, or at least that's what I took from the several videos on LFC tv he was in when he was first coming and first moving in. I'm really rooting for the lad. He reminds me of Lucas in his humble manner and unwarranted treatment by some. He is only 21, people acted when he signed like we had just signed Messi and all our problems were going to go away.
Andrew


He's a good player. Give him time. I don't know what's happened to our support recently but it seems, as a player that you are either an instant success or you are "dead wood". Some of our fellow reds need to get a grip.


Borini is a striker- he is at LFC to score goals not to track back- at the end of the season we shall judge him on that.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 19:51:32
According to voice online the talks between liverpollfc and sturridge have collapsed due to the player weighing up other options, can anyone shed any light on this

Cheers

Fazza


I can, it is not telling the truth.

BthekingB


 

 

19 Dec 2012 19:12:36
Lots of running around to do tomorrow and fishing trip out of Weymouth on Friday so won't get much chance to get on over the next few days so I'd just like to wish all the Eds and regular posters (even the clueless ones) a very merry Christmas and happy and prosperous new year

Cheers Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - Have a nifty time Chris.}


Happy Christmas to you Chris
I think a lot of they 'clueless ones' are Trolls.
They can't be Liverpool supporters surely?


Best wishes Chris. Hope you catch Plenty.

BigBadBen.

(still no chance of Santa delivering Darren Bent for you though...;) )


Have a good one mate.

MIKEY


Thanks Chris.
Have a good one
Scouse_Pride


Have a very merry Christmas and hope you catch more than just a cold on your fishing trip. ;-)
Huddz red


Wishing you all a match of the day fever Xmas and a fickle new year.
REDditch


 

 

19 Dec 2012 18:48:29
eds is it true that we will sign sturridge and ince in januray or is it not true {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 18:34:51
not a rumour, but I'm on me hols now and afk so an early Merry Christmas and happy New Year to the Eds ,all the kopites and the (mental) rumour posters ,thanks for all the diverting hours I've spent on these pages, cheers.

kev from skem {Ed002's Note - Have a good holiday Kev.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 18:24:32
Two great signings to keep Liverpool away from a relegation dogfight. That £18million outlay should ensure a top 10 finish.
No lower than 14th at worst.

Nostrawigus


Wow.

Kaizer


I hope that is not sarcasm...

Piledriver


 

 

19 Dec 2012 18:22:00
sturridge is very technicaly gifted has pace and has something all goal scorers need a selfish streak! i for one will welcome his arrival . Im also excited to get borini bk from injury as although he didn't set the world on fire when u watch the runs he makes i think not only will he get chances he makes space for team mates! watch the young boys away game shelveys goals made by borini runs . ynwa hoping for a good solid second half to the season remember anything above 8th is progress and there's alot of points to play for yet !


You're right. Borini makes decent runs and gets into good positions. He needs the service and a little luck.

DaveyBootle


Nice to hear, thought I was the only one who rated Borini. With time, he'll prove a great signing, as will Allen.

Papa G


He's decent. He cut short holidays to move to another club, in a foreign country with the burden of expectation surrounding him. That's a lot of responsibility for a relatively young footie player. Anyway, many of the players around him aren't playing that well...which doesn't help. He needs time.

DaveyBootle


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:55:47
It won't be Sturridge time in the New Year.
It will be Struggle time.

The manager's comments have been a giveaway.
2nd, then beaten by Villa.
Liverpool's status at the end of the season, will be the same as Villa's was at the end of last season.

How we have declined.

Gipper's Gavel


19 Dec 2012 19:30:06
You quite clearly didn't listen to what Rodgers actually said about second. He was saying that moving forward and the stature of the club and where he see's us being that we shouldn't be just aiming for top 4, we should be aiming for 1st/2nd.
Like Aldo said in the Echo I think it's right what Rodgers was saying, setting a mind set in the players and the young squad we have that this is where we're aiming for! It's a building process - lets not forget he's only a few months into his time at the club with a squad that still isn't his that lost a few experienced players before the season and replaced with very young, talented players that are learning and are only going to get even better.
Yes it was a mistake in the summer not getting another forward but the fact that we're still in touch with the young squad we have with lack of firepower is a plus with 2 or 3 probably being added in January to pushin the 2nd half of the season. I'm not calling on if's or buts but if one or two things had fallen our way so far this season (penalties, the winner against everton and swansea etc) we'd be right up knocking on top 4's door with the 2nd half of the season to go where we're only going to get stronger. Like I said we're still not far away where a couple of wins in a row push us right back up there, this will be happening in the 2nd half of the season.
Rodgers said at the begining of the season about making Anfield a fortress again and he was right to say this to try and up the atmosphere and lift the players, I think the fans in general haven't lived up to their side of the bargain so far with awful atmospheres which has to affect the players in so many ways. I know people say 'well we need something to sing about' which is fine but what came first the chicken or the egg?! The job of the crowd is to lift the players and enjoy being there and all pull together as one to try and get the best results we can! - What I'm saying is instead of us sitting there waiting for something to happen to make us sing and cheer, lets make something happen by getting behind the team and go there, sing, shout, have a laugh, make up new songs and have fun - I think we'd see the effect on the team.

JFT96 YNWA

Kev79


Well if the deal is done, then its surely good news....

Any player coming to Liverpool should be welcomed and assisted to grow as a player.....

Coming back to what BR said about 1st/2nd place, the best answer should have been what Kenny has always said....

Thats :
The best place in the table is at the top but we will not look at the table and keep on adding the points and see where we reach at the end of the season...

LiverrBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:44:02
Would like to.wish all the best to.Tito Villanova. Hope he pulls through his illness. Thoughts are with him and his family. YNWA
Quigz23


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:25:46
Who did you want? Cavani? Sturridge wasn't getting a fair shot at Chelsea lately, hes a technically gifted player and hes still young, just needs a regular run in the team. {Ed002's Note - Sturridge has been injured recently.}


Ed is Sturridge cup tied for the Europa?

Keith {Ed002's Note - Yes.}


Thanks Ed.

Forgot to reply to OP. He is young and still time to learn and if he gets a regular spot in our team, I'm sure he'll do OK.
I for one would have liked to have had him on the bench lately, when no striker existed!

Keith


But is he likely to be fit for The Big One - Mansfield Town away ?
The Juicer


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:22:56
Firstly, great site guys, well done and compliments of the seasons. I read with great interest all the rumours about us buying Sturrridge, Ince etc, but "seriously". I don't think Rodgers has a clue when it comes to buying players. All the players he's bought so far, which we can point to as star quality. Allen (Mr parallel / back passer) Yesil (Too light weight) Borini (no goals.com) or Sahin (Mr overrated).
All he seems to do is buy players he has worked with or light weight player. We spent 10 Mill on Borini on the believe that he'll come good. Lets at least buy 1 or two experienced players to build on what we already have all this we are building for the future, we might not have a future if we do not have a today. Many thanks


Liverpool will always have a future regardless of who we buy as long as we have responsible owners who won't bankrupt the club.
The real fans will stick by the club no matter what.
If you don't want to "support" Liverpool because we are not going to sign superstars then it's no great loss to us.
If you have a season ticket please give it up to someone more gratefull.

MIKEY


These player's have not been given chance to prove themselves yet, and then you talk about lightweight player's, let me mention a couple of player's Hazard, Silva, Mata, Nasri, and not forgetting the most lightweight of them all Messi.... Do I need say more.

Some of the comments on this site are getting a bit ridiculous. Sort it out and support your team.

IMH


Where did he work with sahin was it at real or Dortmund where he was captain and player of the season, oh and yesil's nickname in the germany set-up is gerd after one gerd muller because of this strike rate.

KUMBER


All players should be supported.....
I am sure once Borini is back to full fitness he will do well....

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:02:06
Quite honestly, My heart skips a beat every time there is a shot on our net.. I have completely no faith left in Reina. Is this just me or do other fans feel the same way?, or Is there any of you who feel he should stay?


19 Dec 2012 17:26:41
What? Don't be stupid! Reina did have a bad patch but he's still an incredible keeper, but I do see him coming to an end sooner rather than later


I've got a feeling certain defenders have lost faith but that's just an observation. A boss keeper mind but as a poster recently suggested, a little flat-footed of late.

DaveyBootle


Never said he was a bad keeper (used to be my favourite!) , just that i've lost faith in him.


If a big money offer comes in and there is a decent young replacement out there who would sign then I wouldn't be too disappointed to see him go.
That's just on a football point of view though, on the many times I have met him he has always made me laugh.
But when it comes to football you have to be ruthless.

MIKEY


Don't blame entirely on Reina. Our defence is a liability, midfielders don't always track, hence Reina is exposed most of the times.
I agree that he is not at his best, if you are looking to blame, then blame the whole team for not being better defensively.

Chaki


Sense he came back from injury i think he has been brilliant, the one thing you can blame him for is benteke's first goal, but imo he couldn't see the ball because of i think it was agger that was in his line of view. he is still one of the best keepers in the prem.

would i be right in saying that the poster's bashing reina are the same one's that have been bashing rodger,fsg,gerrard,allen,borini,sahin, downing,henderson and carra.

KUMBER


Reina is a flapper, always has been, but now he is easily beaten at near post as well, strikers are now targeting this weakness and getting lots of success.


Dregs


It took years and many many keepers to finally find a class one, and now people want to see the back of reina. Who do you want to replace him with? Ask Man u how easy it is to find a world class keeper because they havn't had one since Schmicheal. Van der Saar was decent but not world class. Oh and by the way, people use new tactics and formations to defend a player who is playing badly why does that excuse not extend to the keeper? I for one hope Reina stays as he is one of a small group of class players left at the club. Get rid of Reina, some people really are f**kin clueless!!!

Waro


He's been better since he came back kumber but he still looks weak to me, far from his best anyway. I hope he returns to form before he ends up getting replaced.

MIKEY


Well I feel Reina is still one of the best keepers in the world...

But I do feel there is a mental fatigue which has probably set in....He is in very good condition physically...The "oomph" in his stance and body language is no longer the same as it used to be....

He has been fantastic for us...I just hope Liverpool reciprocate his loyalty towards the club...He should be told that it would be his decision whether he wants to stay....

If he chooses to leave, I will be happy But If he chooses to stay I will be happier....

LiverBird


I have always thought highly of Reina, but I think it is time for a suitable replacement to be found and for him to return to Spain.
Something has been missing for some time and it looks like only a move can fix it.


Dies a bad patch cover the last 3 years? For me half the time he doesn't see it till its in the back of the net. Also I think when he cocked up against arsenal in injury time 3 seasons ago knocked him, hasn't been the same since. Never used to mind when we had conceded a pen cos we had pep in goal, but now I know it's in! Shame to say but he isn't what he was.
J weeezy


Perfect name Dregs. Matches your post.
ND


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:53:16
would ince actually want to move back to liverpool?
If i had been sold and then 6 months laterthe team wanted me back, id say no!

Jordan


He wasnt sold 6 months ago, he was sold 18 months ago he moved in august 2011
lfclegends999


He wasn't sold at all, or released. His contract expired and he decided to move on, and by the way money wasn't an issue. The kid just wanted to play football so cut him some slack. Here is a quote from Commolli to confirm it. Comolli has insisted that Ince was never releasedť and that the club made several attempts to keep the player.

When I arrived (at Liverpool in November 2010) Tom was at the end of his contract,ť Comolli explained to radio.

One of the first things I did was meet him and his dad, and Paul was concerned the style of play (under Roy Hodgson) was not suited to his son, who was a quick winger.ť

When Roy went I think we made four or five contract offers to Tom which he kept turning down¦he didn't feel it was the right place for him to stay.

The last offer would have made him the highest-earning player beneath the first team but to be fair to him I don't think money was the issue.

We never released him. You don't release a player like this, you can't force him to stay. I am very pleased that he is doing well. If they buy him back, good for him and good for Liverpool.ť
I for 1 would be pleased to see the lad back and he did what he had to do at the time to play. Fair play to him I say. It shows he has better morals than most gave him credit for. A young hungry hard working talented lad, just the type we need and if he does succeed wouldn't that be 1 that nearly got away but didn't,Simonpw


Dalglish let him go for a compensation of 50 grand and 35% buy back clause


Well done BR for seeing the hugr talent and buying him back before united bought him

Shak Attack


Youes are both wrong he wasnt sold , he left for 1st team football

majestic69


If he wasn't sold then what happened cos he never left on a free


Stop talking non sense....

Just listen to Comolli about the circumstances in which Ince left....Ince didnt agree to multiple offers and then decided to go to Blackpool

You should be ashamed of yourself for maligning one of the pillars of Liverpool FC....

Disgusting.......

LiverBird


If he lefft when his contract was over liverpool have no right to a percentage of the sale, but i am inclined to believe that did sell him for an undisclosed fee with the sell on clause, the same way spur's sold taarapt to qpr for 1million but will get like 50% to 30% of his sell on price.

KUMBER {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were paid £57k compensation for the time he spent with the academy.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:05:02
all this talk of no major signings in the window we will get a massive one that will make other teams choke you wait and see
bumberclat big undies


Really? And what gives you that impression?

Crowman.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 17:02:06
Quite honestly, My heart skips a beat every time there is a shot on our net.. I have completely no faith left in Reina. Is this just me or do other fans feel the same way?, or Is there any of you who feel he should stay?


Ive heard this somewhere before


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:53:16
would ince actually want to move back to liverpool?
If i had been sold and then 6 months laterthe team wanted me back, id say no!

Jordan


Wasn't it 18 months ago?
Besides I don't think it has anything to do with his decision as a lot has changed since he left, he's a lot more likely to get a game these days.
he looks a dead cert to re sign so I guess he does want to come back.

MIKEY


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:12:14
why dont liverpool go in for the defender from psg maxwell for cover up for enrique and work on there forwards we could always go for 25-30 goals a season {Ed002's Note - Why on earth would MAxwell leave a Champions League club who he is in the first team for to join Liverpool to provide cover for another player?}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:11:42
Just don't learn with buying over priced British players. He wants to sell Downing, Pacheco, and Cole yet is trying to bring in Walcott and Sturridge. Depressing times, it really is. Feghouli, Aubameyang, these are the players we should be after.


Feghouli will be off to the African Cup of Nations next month. If we only have limited resources, and with our instability in the PL, it makes no sense to buy a player we'll need almost immediately who won't be available.

JFT 96

JP


An sturidge is injured .. So why are we buying him .
Like our form .league position our policy in the market is a shambles .
Marker {Ed002's Note - He has been injured but is pretty much back to full fitness.}


An sturidge is injured .. So why are we buying him .
Like our form .league position our policy in the market is a shambles .
Marker {Ed002's Note - He has been injured but is just about back to full fitness.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:02:39
higuain scored 116 goals in 223 matches for madrid.
madrid plays 70 matches a year,before his injury he was a starter benzema took the starting role over lately.
higuain will score 30 goals a year in all competitions.
the way we play he is the ideal striker.
higain will cost but so did suarez.
i understand FSG want invest in youth and find the new stars,but spending big on 1 or 2 players will only help the likes off sterling suso ect ect. {Ed002's Note - Higuain will not be moving to Liverpool in January.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:01:28
My view of Sturridge and Ince would be this.

Would these teams look to bring in these players?

Tottenham
Everton
Newcastle
Arsenal

I would guess YES and these are the teams that we are level with in terms of quality at the moment (if not slightly behind)

Once we get into the top 4 we will then attract bigger names but at the moment we need to improve the squad and hold onto our stars (Agger, Suarez,Johnson).

Everyone needs to be patient we are building slowly but surely.

Glen


The only area we needed to add quality too was the final third. We have Suarez in the CF role but look who is playing alongside him. Sterling has huge potential and is everything we haven't had for a while, but he is still very young and inexperienced, seems to loose the ball far to often and shouldn't be played week in week out. Then we have the other position next to Suarez which has been rotated between suso, Enrique and shelvey for the most part. I've never seen suso as a winger, simply because he doesn't have the pace for it but he is a CAM for sure and would do a better job than gerrard IMO. Enrique has proven he can play in this position and even score but I would prefer him at LWB with a winger of high quality playing in front of him, that would be even more devastating. With shelvey, he will never be able to play as a winger. He does not have that ability to outpace a player or dribble past him and cross a ball in. He is and always will be a midfielder (replacement for gerrard hopefully).

With downing and cole hopefully leaving the club (quite sad it didn't work out for downing) and with ince and sturridge coming in along with borini back from injury, this provides the depth and quality for our final third.

Ince/sterling----Suarez----sturridge

Assaidi, borini and suso.


Exactly!

Glen


Sturridge is turning down spurs and man united have been interested in ince


Man City were interested in Sturridge last season when he played regularly


 

 

19 Dec 2012 16:00:12
Hi eds! I was just wondering if anybody knows how Alex O'Hanlon is getting on. I remember when we signed him it was deemed a big deal since he was a good talent (comparisons to Bale) and he decided against joining his boyhood club (Man Utd) as well as Chelsea, Arsenal and R.Madrid to come to Liverpool.

Thanks

AZ


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:54:15
Nobody has a valid argument why rodgers is a good manager,except to drag kenny's signings into it..why should he be above criticism,when we sack a coach who took us to two cup finals,whoever coming in must do a better job than that to be deemed a success. We are 12th in the league,his team selection is very questionable,our football isn't anywhere close to tiki taka anytime we are behind,most of the players look clueless only few want to take responsibility.

We have been playing pass and move for years,he makes it sound like he is converting stoke into a passing team..
He already wanted carroll out before our first game,having that at the back of his mind he went and bought borini(9 goals in serieA) we needed goals from the midfield he buys allen..that just boils down to inexperience
They say we can't have a player on big wages..we pay most of sahin's salary.if he knew assaidi wasn't good enough for liverpool why buy him?he never bothered to look at targets we had scouted and those we had interest of buying he just acted on his own shallow knowledge and went after targets he felt were good enough
Our squad isn't the largest and it isn't the worst in the league,he should be doing a lot better with them than he is

As for Fsg how can you give a manager like rodgers without nothing on his CV so much control of this club.that is the only way he can identify targets like borini,allen,ince and sturridge without nobody challenging him..No qualified director of football,ayre knowledge of football isn't good enough!the sooner john henry wakes up the better for his money

PACMAN


Jeez, seriously, PACMAN, we get it. You're not impressed. Fine. But you're recycling the same old arguments on a near daily basis. I really don't know what you're trying to achieve. You've conveyed your message on several occasions. Instead of just writing the same thing over and over again on here, why not mix things up and say something you've been impressed with so far this season? Just give it a go. You never know, you may actually crack a smile.

JFT 96

JP


It's not worth it JP just skip and move on, works for me.

MIKEY


It's not worth it JP just skip and move on, works for me.

MIKEY


Probably right MIKEY, it's like listening to one of those crazy preachers on street corners shouting that the world is going to end down a megaphone.

JFT 96

JP


JP and Mikey, you only snipe like little kids because you can't put up a valid argument. Everything Pacman says is right and there's no getting away from it.

Ozone


Yawwnnnn pacman your points were just wrong and depressing but now they are just boring and dull to read. You just make pointless accusations with no back up with your arguments.

Red twist


19 Dec 2012 18:20:47
MIKEY. If you skip and move on why have you posted a reply? Surely if you see the name and skip the post you wont know what was said by pacman or the person who replied. Contradiction?

Waro


I have provided many arguments, I have my views and I am not afraid to be challenged on them by anyone, in fact I welcome it.
However the one thing I really can't stand is moaners, especially consistent, bitchy immature ones. That's why his posts and yours as well ozone are skipped so I can spend my precious time having constructive arguments with the many posters without severe grey matter deficiency problems.
I find it best to leave you kids to fight among yourselves.
I will gladly take over your season tickets if it's all too much for you.

MIKEY


19 Dec 2012 18:54:25
There you go contrdicting yourself again MIKEY! If you skip are posts then why are you continually replying? I look forward to not seeing you comment on my posts in the future.

Waro


I saw JPs reply mate, I didn't bother reading the original post as I don't like feelings of da ja vu.

MIKEY


Rodgers Has to rely on signing players he knows , he is an unknown quantity on the continent and south america

Big players are not going to risk their careers by making the wrong move eg find out in 6 months that they don't fit into Rodgers plan

Sahin is a good example coming out saving he is a holding midfielder played out of position
Ironically Allen was playing in this position but wanted to play in Sahin's position


100 million for a league cup

Getting to a final isnt a success only winning it is

So 100 mill spent for a league cup and finishing 8th in the league is a massive flop

Sorry

Shak Attack


I just read the first sentence, what has rodgers done to justify himself as a good manager. Well maybe the job he did at swansea. Also don't mention laudrup. He has had much more money to spend than him at swansea.
derryred


Did you go the final Shak Attack, I did and it was a great day. I wouldnt change it for the world. I suppose your one of those who regard the businessmans (FA) cup as the preferred trophy aye.

If ever you want tickets Mikey, I have spares for all home games. Don't be giving it the excuses about can't get a season ticket now.

Ozone


Well Rodgers is a good manager....Lets do this...I am adding the qualities which I feel a manager should have and I will rate them...Folks, you can add your qualities and rate them as well...

Media management (from Media's view) -- Very very good

Media management (from LFC view) -- Good but should refrain from player discussion/criticism

Game Management ( Tactics and Substitution ) -- Very good

Pre Game Strategy -- Can improve

Coaching -- Good with central midfielders and full backs but needs to improve a lot with GK, CB , wingers and Center Forward...

Motivation -- Have heard he is very very good

Communication -- Again very very good

Training Drills -- Have heard its fantastic...Is very modern in the approach

Transfer Management -- Very Poor
Talent Spotting -- Poor

Please share your views as well

LiverBird


Well Shak Attack,

With those comments about the cups and getting to finals, you have proved that your views are not to be taken seriously...

Shame you call yourself a football fan and an occasion like final is not good enough for you.....

Why do watch football then?

LiverBird


Cups finals are nice even the small ones like the league cup

But as shankly said the league is our bread and butter

And the owners were right in their decision in bringing in a young coach who has the ability to bring through academy players in the shape of Dortmund

I love kD as a man but as a manager he set us back 2/3 seasons. The players he bought (esp for the astronomical amounts he spent on them) apart from suarez were simply not good enough

I just wish people (not only u) would support BR remember games like everton when we was robbed, the table does t tell the whole story

Our team is starting to look a lot better

People have to decide if they will support BR thus support the club or live in the past

You cant slam all what the club is doing to get LFC back on its feet again after years of poor management and midtable mediocrity then feel fine about cheering the team in a couple seasons when things start looking better

That is what u call a plastic fan

Its fine to be worried (u should b worried for the past 3/4 years in regards to LFC not just this season) but its not OK to rip in to our young players and manager who all have ptptential to be world beaters

Cheers

Shak Attack


I posted the stuff above but I have no idea why I cant see any mention other than Brendan Rodgers.

It must be that you are seeing a different post with the criticism of the club, young players and what not, when FACTUALLY I have not written anything like that.

Coming back, you have gone OFF TRACK again.

Can't you make a point without making all the side show like plastic fan,or Dalglish Boys?

Because I believe you are incapable of doing so.

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:21:15
With all the negativity and non existant support from most posters can I just say well done to BR, the board etc for seemingly getting business done nice and early

Whether theyre who you want or not they atleast deserve some credit

I for one am excited about the young, hungry team we are building and know that all our problems cant be fixed in one window especially the Jan window.

Shak Attack


What business? what else have they done?


Well said.

To be honest, I'm just as much looking forward to seeing Borini play again as I am to see (hopefully) Sturridge and Ince don the red shirt. We'll have gone from having Suarez as our only recognised striker (as far as a goal threat, Sterling has looked increasingly tired, the lad needs a rest) to (hopefully) having Suarez, Borini, Sturridge, Ince and Sterling. That front line easily demonstrates the fluidity of the front three with no striker there having a set place - it's gonna be a pain in a*se for defenders to track them.

JFT 96

JP


Shak come on though weve tried the best of british it doesnt work we get over charged and they do not improve us the only english kid i want is walcot who s miles better then sturridge

mike


Adam, hendo, carroll and downing were not the best of british mike

Ince is a liverpool yourh product and sturridges goals to games ratio on the right wing is better than valencias

Shak Attack


"I for one am excited about the young, hungry team we are building and know that all our problems cant be fixed in one window especially the Jan window."
Shak Attack


Well Arsene Wenger had a similar dream for Arsenal but Manchester City came in and tore his blueprint to shreds in the space of three seasons...

Good luck with your excitement....

LiverBird


Well liverbird its better than spending 100 million on league 2 quality players who no big team would play in even so much as a friendly!

Dortmund, ajax, man united dont seem to be doing too bad

Get over dalglish and support liverpool football club

Shak Attack


Man City won the league..

And that's our Bread and Butter right.....I believe thats what your post said...

So you are moving the goalposts now...

Spending 100 million in two windows is not good but I dont remember any team which has won the league without spending significantly....

I dont believe the club should spend 100 million but I dont believe the above statement is wrong either....

LiverBird


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:13:50
Sturridge probably will have problems with his medical and wage demands.

Walcott will either stay at Arsenal or go abroad.

Other clubs are after Ince.

FSG have lost interest.
I doubt any exciting signings.

It will be Fred Karno's Circus time again in January for Liverpool.

Who will be the clown at Anfield ?

Big Red Nose


By sound of it probably you mate.
Huddz red


Is that big nose from all the lies?

Red twist


When ever you turn up!!
YOU!
Lyndon


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:13:05
I know a lot of fans are not happy with sturridge or ince and they should be after all we are Liverpool fc but our manager thinks they are right players for his systeam so we need to back him and give them chance before writing them off.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:07:57
boo who who some liverpool fans are starting to go on like spoiled kids crying we need a striker and wen we are getting{ Sturridge } eh not good he english he cant score grow up hes not the finished striker yet hes better than are other strikers we have bar suarez he got speed something our team has not got bar sterling i for one hope we get him i think hes the best replacement for torres same style of givin the chance and thats y suarez was bought for so i hope we get him its a lot better than what we have
red rrab


Well said mate! Finallysome sense on here!

People haring on Sturridge coz he's british, but they fail to realise he has a better gos to games start than the likes of Valencia, walcott etc

Shak Attack


Sturridge: 8 goals in 12 apps for Bolton in EPL 2011. Sorry, were some LFC fans after something different?


Sturridge's stats for Bolton mean nothing mate. Look at Andy Carroll's stats for Newcastle before he joined us.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 15:06:32
We all wanted a big name? It looks like were getting Ince?
"Just a four letter name!! What's goin on! :)
Seriously; to all the detractors, if we get Ince and Sturridge give them a chance. I think their both talented players that could do well in our set up.
kidmillions


Well said kidmillions

Shak Attack


Would like theo added to that list


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:55:43
This upcoming window IMO I think we need at least two strikers and a beast of a man in the defensive midfielder role because i think were getting mawled as our midfield is mentally and pysically lightweight,Lucus won't be right back to his best just yet and it's just my opinion is that Allan for me looks like he's a squad player at the present time cheers pk


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:56:53
Gary hooper Eds, thoughts? {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}


19 Dec 2012 19:01:31
Are you telling us that u'd prefer Hooper over Sturridge? Really?!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:49:55
Hey Eds , what ever happened to the Marco Bueno transfer to LFC. Didn't he sign a pre-contract agreement? {Ed002's Note - It never went ahead.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:44:48
Heard a rumour coming out of Peru, that Nobby Solano is coming to liverpool. I know we chased him years ago, it looks like we're finally going to get him.


Never believe a Peruvian rumour:) They have a history of being just rumours.
kidmillions


Stick to Chinese whispers!!


Nobby's nuts


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:34:13
Hi all, hope your all well.

I just wanted to say Merry Christmas and New Year to all the fellow reds and the eds

Esp Ed001, Ed002 and Ed052


Ps, can the in-fighting stop on this site please? In the very least for this festive period!

See you all here during Jan 2013



United Kolurs Of Bennetton


On Christmas day the sniping will stop and both sides will emerge from their trenches and play a game of football against each other.
Afterwards they'll return to their dug outs, and spend time scratching messages onto the side of bullets - 'Lost again - our generals are sh#t', 'Englishman overpriced' and 'Blame the
Last general'.
Then they'll start firing them and all will return to normal.
MartinR


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:26:17
If the rumours about Sturridge are true, I really hope it works out for us...the gut feeling I have is that it will only improve the squad in terms of boosting numbers, and that he won't make a huge difference to our season...really hope I am wrong. Would much prefer Walcott, and he would be cheaper...fingers crossed eh


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:26:07
Eds fellow reds , just read that he aint heavy single has over taken James Arthur ,which put us top of the chart by 3400 copies ,so if you haven't got it yet go out and get it and keep it on the top for xmas .You'll never walk alone


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:15:03
Have Liverpool signed sturridge or ince {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 14:07:13
ED002- I come in peace so please don't bight my head off. Why do you seemingly react so negatively to criticism about Brendan Rodgers?
Personally, I think he is a great guy but he has not cut it yet as a manager and I am willing to give him that chance.
However, if some contributors want to slag him off then there is nothing wrong with that and they should not be slated for doing so. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. And I won't "bight" you.}


ED002 Your slacking! Bight his head off! Please; We don't want peacemakers on here :)
kidmillions


He's talking 'shight' anyway

Learpholl


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:38:28
Thanks ed002 for your insight on Ince.
I really appreciate it.

Superfan


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:34:26
long shot.....but dont suppose anyones got two spare tickets for the game saturday?
harry h


Try the ticketline for general sale tickets mate...tel no: 08431705555

United Kolours Of Bennetton


I've got one spare ticket if thats any good.

Leyland Wool


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:30:08
We need proven goalscorer we buy sturridge? Why do we always pay over the odds for british talent? Its always british why dont we sign players from abroad more value its getting beyond a joke


Because ,every other club have a stronger recruiting team than us ,we need a new scouting system all together .rather than money grabbing people in suits


We do sign strikers from abroad and sometimes get it right. Torres and Suarez pretty good signings. Voronin, Morientes, Cisse, Baros, Meijer to name but a few... No guarantee that people who core in other countries give in the Prem. As many sane people on here have pointed out the nationality isn't important.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:29:10
Ho Ho Ho Eds & fellows Reds,

It seems a lot of supporters on here are not entirely convinced with the prospect of Sturridge & Ince signing in Jan. I personally think they will give us more depth with our attacking options & although they may not be the Huntelaar's or Llorente's of the world they are still very young and have a lot of learning to do.

It seems that people have forgotten about his loan spell at Bolton a couple years back when he netted 8 goals in 12 appearances! Since then the lad can only have improved.

One question I have for the Eds, are you aware if Brendan has worked with Sturridge before considering BR and Chelsea's history together? A few voices here have raised questions over his attitude and apparent 'chip on his shoulder'. I would have thought if the two had worked together before then this may alleviate some of the worries some of the fans have.

Merry Christmas to all the Eds, posters and of course Macca

Thanks for making this my most visited web page

Fowlers Nostril {Ed002's Note - Rodgers has never worked with Sturridge. And have a great festive season.}


But Ed002 Buck has came out and said that he know's Sturridge from his time at Chelsea! Was'nt he reserve team manager at Chelsea? So i'm sure they have worked together!

{Ed002's Note - If Rodgers said that then he is confusing Sturridge with someone else. Maybe a smokescreen?}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:25:42
to put lfc back in the mix. is going to take alot longer than a few seasons. people say give br time but lets face facts what in all honesty do you think he really is going to do. he has far to much to say to the media. the job is far to big for him at this time. he is a young manger and swansea suits him but not a club like lfc. you need to be a hard and strong headed manger and know what you want and get on with it. without talking to much to the media. the players he got in are not going to push the club on and for that fact not good enough. the problems br has put himself in are his own. starting the season with one foward and shipping players out and not replaceing them was not a good start. as for that being liverpool program that did not do him any good. i know it was not all his fualt but he still let it happen and a top manger would of not let it happend. i can see why fans are p*ssed off and why alot are starting to go agaist him. this is what happens when your at a club like lfc. results matter not time.
sjc


How does he talk to much to the media? He has pres conferences before and after each game. Other than the odd interview like all managers he doesn't live in the pocket of hour is like Fergie!!

Mike S


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:28:40
Steve nicol clearly not happy about brendans choice of targets! {Ed002's Note - Maybe he will do better when he is manager.}


Are the opinions of hundreds of ex-Liverpool players something you feel you have to post?

dd {Ed002's Note - I think you will find SN is one not hundreds of ex players.}


Have you seen the Style of football he plays in America!

I wouldn't take too much notice of his opinion

Lyndon


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:19:09
Hi eds got some info to pass on,
I don't know it has been covered previously but here we go. I have heard hat the reason we are in pole position to re-sign Tom Ince is due to a 40-50% sell on clause in the contract, so we would recoup that from whatever price we paid, but other clubs would be paying over the odds for the player and then having some of that fee go to us.
Any of you heard anything about this?

Anfield Andy {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of the provisions of his contract, sorry.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:14:07
Hey Eds, can you clarify what is happening as regards Assaidi? Does BR not want him, or is he injured or what? Please answer this. Happy Holidays, hope ye have a good one. {Ed002's Note - To the best of my knowledge there is nothing "happening" with Assaidi of note. He is a squad player and available to be picked when the manager thinks he would help out the side.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:10:30
Would pick hooper over sturridge


Not sure which is better- both are not Liverpool quality


I dont rate sturridge at all, but id rather have him over hooper tbh.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:06:28
Helo Eds.
Nw the deals of sturidge and ince imminent. Nw i hope lfc will sign a goalscorer like hunteelar or gomis. Any chance of that happen.
Thanx.
Love u lfc and Eds. {Ed002's Note - Try the search function please.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:03:57
Eds do use agree with gillieum billegue( spelling) tha sergio busquets is.the best mf in the world? {Ed002's Note - I have on occasion agreed with Guillem Balague - but there are many occasions when we have not agreed; his drivel about Neymar is a good example. If he has said Busquets the best midfield player in the world then it is no more than his opnion. If you ask 10 other journalists none would likely agree.}


Best midfield player at falling to the floor maybe cant stand him

ms85


Have actually met Guilleme (nice guy) he came to my New Years Eve party in Liverpool a few years back. In them days he was really all for manutd :( ( he hadn't lived in Liverpool long) I remember talking to him practically all night about LFC and just a little about Espanyol (his team) I do know he now supports Liverpool. He has a real good knowledge and is passionate about his football so it's no wonder he supports us. He believes the same as me? "There's no substitute for skill on a football field" so that's probably why he drools on a bit about Neymar.
kidmillions


 

 

19 Dec 2012 13:02:32
Being a 'non English' LFC fan, I recall the tragedy of both Hillsborough and Heysel.
It is always a great victory when the truth is finally made public, so the news on a new Hillsborough enquiry is fantastic news, and that all the facts will finally come out.
Tumbleweed Red


 

 

19 Dec 2012 12:53:35
hey ed, is it true that Martin Kelly has just declined a new contract that Liverpool offer? {Ed002's Note - It is true that he has yet to agree a new contract.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 12:23:04
so were all hearing sturridge will sign for 12 or so million & ince for 4million ,& that will be all our buissness done,

why is br willing to spend 12mill on sturridge & 4mill on ince,,now people will say give them time & arun of games unever no they could prove value for money yeah yeah yeah
why dont we give assiadi , morgan,yesil,ibe arun of games from now until jan & maybe theyll save us aload of money ,what have we got to lose,put it this way if we dont start playing these players theyll leave just like ince did ,& what we,ll waste more money trying to buy them back
IRISH RED


What we've got to lose is 6 points if it does'nt work. why not let brendon get on with the job that lfc pay him for
jaycee


 

 

19 Dec 2012 12:18:43
hi eds, just wanted to say finally the courts have overturned the accidental deaths verdict, heres hoping that the 96 will finally be able to rest.
billy


 

 

19 dec 2012 11:49:41
why ince eds? do you think he is what liverpool needs right now?

red yankee {Ed002's Note - We don't deciode on teh transfer targets.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 08:31:25
Eds, according to a lot of people who claim to be in the know. We are close to securing deals for Ba, Ince, Sturridge and Walcott.

Do you if there is any truth in these claims?

Thank you for all the hard work.

BIGRED {Ed002's Note - These players have all been dealt with at length. Please use the search function.}


If we spend £16 mill on sturridge and ince,i think that will be it. i cant see us spending another £15 mill on ba and walcott
jaycee


The only point in which I can see us getting any other player apart from sturridge and ince at this point in time, is if we sell our fringe players, and sterling decides he wants to leave, do a deal that includes sterling and Walcott plus some cash either way. Or a player on loan. I can only see BA going to arsenal if Walcott leaves.


The only point in which I can see us getting any other player apart from sturridge and ince at this point in time, is if we sell our fringe players, and sterling decides he wants to leave, do a deal that includes sterling and Walcott plus some cash either way. Or a player on loan. I can only see BA going to arsenal if Walcott leaves.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 06:00:43
Dear ed002

I just want your opinion if possible about Tom Ince. Do u think he is any good? Or do you think hes capable of playing for such a giant club?

Superfan {Ed002's Note - I try and avoid giving opinions on player's capabilities, but much is expected of Ince. Perhaps this is why Liverpool took him on in the first place. Ad he gets older, maybe even the baggage he is carrying around will go as well.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:18:35
And this for ed002.
A certain few posters are making horrible reading for the site. We dont need to mention their names, because i think theyre thriving of, well, being cirtus.
The thing i dont understand is, you post their dross, and reply to it arguing against them. I reccomend you just delete their comment, but leave their signature at the bottom. So they know that if theyre not posting banter or rumours, youre just not guna put it through. So save the time of arguing with em pal, its like arguing with a brick wall, mind you i think a wall has more intelligence than these posters. youll wind them up more if you just cut their posts. Night anyway mwah xx
Benny baller {Ed002's Note - A great deal of posts do get cut Benny -all you get to see is the good stuff.}


Ed002, if what is posted on here is the good stuff I would hate to think of the extent of the rubbish that you have to edit. What has been the most ridiculous post you have ever received and had to delete (in polite terms)?

FT {Ed002's Note - Obviously many of the "classics" cannot be posted but the Ketamine Kid managed a few on the Spurs page, and then there have been plenty of abusive and threatening posts, and of course young Liam/Dean (the "Should have been Kleenex Kid") has come up with a few.}


 

 

19 Dec 2012 12:04:53
Justice for the 96 YNWA
LeeWils


 

 

19 Dec 2012 12:02:28
speedy recovery to Vilanova at Barca.........JaySpearings ghost


Who will take over? Pep to return? or i think di matteo.

RED H


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:57:44
The high court have quashed the original verdicts of accidental death of the Hillsborough victims. A new inquest will now take place.

Great news

Levon - 69


Cameron has just insinuated on PM's Questions that the Chancellor will waiver the VAT on the new single.

I'm sure it will happen for a few central government brownie-points.

Happy days though.

DaveyBootle


Great for the families of the 96; take more than that for this lot to have any credibility though.
ND


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:56:22
I'm not sure I agree with BRs approach to strengthening the squad.

Whilst Sturridge is a very good player, and Ince looks very promising within the Championship arena, I'm not convinced they will really improve the quality of the starting 11 by very much.

I would've liked to see all of the funds spent on one player of really exceptional quality (assuming such a player was available and willing).

We could possibly see spending of about 15-20m in this window, and that could amount might be enough to raise the sights a bit, in terms of quality.

Lets face it, we do have a lot of good and very good squad players already, but few of really top quality, and only one or two who are world class (for example Stevie G, although still a very good player in periods, is no longer consistently world class).

Assaidi looks very good, Sterling is very good, and Borini will be a good player too.
Will Sturridge turn out to be significantly better than Borini, for example, in terms of scoring goals?

BR seems to be taking the approach of improving each position by a modest amount with each player brought in. Such players are cheaper, and so more positions can be improved over a few seasons.

An alternative approach might be to spend big on a single player in each window, thereby only improving one or two positions in the starting 11 per season, but improving them by a large margin.

I'd rather see another Suarez bought in Jan, than see three players like Sturridge and Ince and A N Other.


19 Dec 2012 13:40:23
Matthias, maybe?

Mrpjd


Maybe Rodgers has learned his lesson with the Carroll debacle and the Borini injury, leaving him with only Suarez to really count on? What happens if Suarez gets injured or can't play at any point from now until the end of the season? What if he feels Assaidi, Yesil, Morgan and the the others are not as ready as Sterling was? Rodgers is building a squad and you can't do that one high price player at a time...ra1969


Oh yh why not buy another suarez! Of course! Coz world class players are just dying to come play for Liverpool atm


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:52:45
I don't mind any of the teams we could face in the last 32... Maybe Inter, Ajax & Gladbach are slight worries.

But I for one am praying we do not draw Athletico Madrid. The harsh truth is that Falcao would tear us apart.

Hopefully we get BATE or Kiev

Although maybe Bayer Leverkusen. Would be nice to see Sami again :P

Tuco


The whole point of european comp is we pit ourselves against the best we get put in front not sitting like abully who only wants to fight those weaker than him i say take whoever and try our best.Tommy Irish Red


Be positive man... We will smash anyone we get. You have ti beat the best to win the comp so why not get them now??

Speedy


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:42:32
We're stupid if we don't make the most of the current low prices in the Spanish market


Michu is a prime example.. and basicaly the other midfielder from swansea..i think its de guzman...
yes i know we cant predict who can play well in the prem..
however...both were dirt cheap..and they would walk into our team right now

12 mill on sturridge??you can buy 3 quality players on 4 mill..if the stupid stupid people in charge of liverpool would just SCOUT BETTER!


Fellas you need to realise that if Liverpool went for Michu then the price would have risen to 7m or more. Becasue we are a bigger club the price rises ten fold. Swansea only picked up a bargain because they are a smaller club.....

Speedy


Get you'r facts right,de guzman is on loan at swansea
jaycee


Yes a summer villa might be a good idea while the market is cheap
Redgrant


Never...we are no longer bigger club...but price would have been higher..coz the whole woeld saw us paing 35 for caroll and 20 for downing...


The weight of expectation is much less at clubs like Swansea and so consequently easier to succeed for new players or Managers.
"It's much easier to impress the girl next door in bed than a super model"
kidmillions


Did we get a bad review from a super model kidmillions?

Andy K


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:29:46
Some rumours regarding Sturridge medical was to be held yesterday but was cancelled due to some problems.
I know it's fake but can a player have a medical outside the transfer window?.


 

 

19 dec 2012 11:20:28
how much did we let ince go for?


One million to middlesbrough.

DaveyBootle {Ed002's Note -


I believe it was £250,000

Fowlers Nostril {Ed002's Note - Tom Ince was £57k compensation. His father was a little over £1.3M.}


£7.60 and a dolphin

What does it matter how much Tom Ince left LFC for?

You can assume it was for free or less than half a million

BR wants him back so whats money got to do with it once you buy a player, you buy a player

Liberias31


Imagine how Barca felt with a certain young Arsenal player? Not that I'm comparing them at all but you know what I mean.

DaveyBootle


 

 

19 Dec 2012 11:12:40
hi eds happy christmas to you all

The mirrior is today reporting surprise surprise spurs are in for ince and sturridge seriously could they please pay for a couple of their owns scouts instead of using ours.Tommy Irish Red


 

 

19 Dec 2012 10:39:26
Hi EDS,
A quick question in relation to Carroll and West Ham. Do you think it would be a good move to try and include Diame in any transfer. It is not MOTD fever but I have looked at West Ham a few times this year and there is no doubting he is a power house with a great physical presence something we lack at the moment. Injury permitting I think it might be good business.A penny for your thoughts.

Regards
dub96 {Ed001's Note - possibly, not sure he is that good in the system we are playing though.}


Ed...i am sure...and have to be sure...that caroll will be a west ham player end of the season..18 mil is the maximum we could get for him from any club...
even sam have realised that its actually useless him in their squad..
they are actually doing better without him..


He's injured!

DaveyBootle


 

 

19 Dec 2012 09:41:46
To be honest. I for one really really hope that we do NOT sign Sahin.

Average player at best who offers nothing. Send him back. Dont be footing the bill for another overpirced player.

If i was in the LFC job, i would make sure that the whole scouting system was changed. Allowing us to find more gems for cheap E.g. Assaidi.

The negotiating department also needs to be rapidly adressed. Ian Ayre has no place in our club. We pay 20m Downing-20m Henderson-20m Allen-16m Borini all of the mentioned players are not worth half of their ridiculous transfer fees. Dempsey was haggled over which annoyed and dissapointed every fan.

I hope we sign some players this window, but i would prefer to sign no one rather than waste ridicuous lump sums of money on utter dross.


theDARkNight


I think sahin is a class player, he just needs time to adapt to to premier league as he is not used to the physicality of it and he said himself he was played out of position further up the field as he is a deep lyiong playmaker. i think pairng him with lucas in midfield with either shelvey or hendo further up and a front three of sterling suarez gerrard/suso would be good. we really are not that far of being a top 4 team i believe.
huddz red


Sure Darkknight, average players with nothing to offer win Bundesliga player of the year awards! You have clearly never seen him play!

BrisbaneLFC


Just agree on the Sahin part. The money would be better spent on one of Diame/Etinne Capoue/Wanyama.
We really lack strength in Midfield


I agree... the reason why we are in such a mess is the lame players we keep signing

i mean i knew from day 1 sahin was too weak too slow and couldnt handle the prem........assaidi..what can i say..the guy hasnt been given a chance at all.i think hes a tricky little player

henderson downing caroll adam are all average..which is why our team results have been average.

so lfc management are to blame...

they are crap at finding quality players and there are tons out there who cost next to nothing that have the ability now to make lfc a top team


Sahin is a fantastic player we have just not had the chance to see it yet.
He needs to play regulary in his preferred role to show what he can do.

MIKEY


Great player who all last year never played a full season so any one that really has played a proper game and season will know that after an injury it takes ages to get your fitness levels to the level you used to play.
So please refrain from saying the player is rubbish... He played for a great German team and was bought by Real Madrid. He just does not fit into our system yet or is not fit enough to handle the permiership

Speedy


 

 

19 Dec 2012 09:14:00
first and foremost i really hope that these links with sturridge and ince are bogus they arent the players we need sturridge has a serious chip on his shoulder so does ince thats why he left in the first place.We need quality players like llorente ,higuain,jesus navas,d villa all players who have fell out of favour in their own clubs but are all top quality id rather bring them in than sturridge ince dyer bent etc we need a few players to get the fans excited and even the current squad thers great players out there at reseasonable prices look at cazorla 12m poldolski 10 marin 6m michu 2m we need to forget about prem players and look abroad rodgers isnt buyin for swansea now he needs to set his sights higher id rather bring in two top class players rather than four average joes

redskin


If we signed michu in the summer everyone on here would have slaughtered him before he even landed in the country. You rate players that have the hype around them. Last time i checked Arsenal arent doing too well with cazorla and poldolski, marin has been injured. So if we signed marin he would have been an injured waste of money, much like everyone thinks borini is.

I'd rather have david villa then Sturridge, but Id also rather have messi then Villa. Because you want it doesnt me we will get it. Sturridge will prove to be a decent signing most likely, maybe not amazing. But decent enough. Perhaps stop living in a fantasy world and give Sturridge and Ince a chance.


Take it you have not been following LFC for the last couple of years. Players like that wont come to LFC and if there is the slightest chance they could LFC would not be paying ridiculous odds to get them. For a start FSG have learnt their lesson from paying over the odds from last jan.
LFC will not be much movement in January. I'd say we'll pull in 2 maybe 3 players but it will not be summer and possibly next year we will see some stability in the team.

FowlerGod.


And who will pay for these quality players?
and most important..y would they want to come to us?
are we sitting top of the league?
can u offer the wages that they demand?


The first reply pretty much summed up the entire problem that has been circulating on this site for some time now, shame you didn't sign your name off, but very well put mate.

It's a lose lose situation when it comes to signings at present - if their names aren't dipped in metaphorical gold then the owners aren't bringing the right players in; if a big name does come in and doesn't hit the ground running then we've wasted a mass amount of money. I hope Sturridge does sign, and I hope he's f**king brilliant, just to rub it in the faces of all the moaning little tarts who have been plaguing this site for months on end.

JFT 96

JP


 

 

19 Dec 2012 09:04:25
Happy Birthday!

Karim Benzema
Alexis Sánchez
Iker Muniain
Gary Cahill
Ryan Babel
Miguel Lopes
M'Baye Niang


Are you gonna do one of these everyday?


This worries me.

dd


The stalker is back...all the above players need to keep the cctv in the gardens on at all times ha ha


 

 

19 Dec 2012 08:42:07
Good Morning Eds,

I have to say on hearing the news about Sturridge and Ince i wasn't frilled to be honest but if i am to believe the prices for them both would be about 16 million combined then i have to say that's a great bit of business.

Sturridge, will want to prove a point and i can see him getting 10 goals plus between now and the end of the season.

Ince, has been one of the best players in the Championship and has improved somewhat over the last few seasons and should be very hungry to try and show that he can do it at the highest level

Seasons Greetings to all Eds and my fellow Kopites

WhyamImrsparkle


I dont rate Ince to the slightest. Very greedy and wasteful.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 08:27:16
Well that defeat on saturday really hurt. I expected them to fully win. I guess i got a wake up call on saturday. It's not going to be easy. I think top 4 is a bit far away this season. If rodgers finishes top 6 this season, i think that will be good progress.

One thing which i dont understand is people who call for rodgers head is that what is rodgers doing wrong. He has the team playing good football, he is pretty flexible as seen against everton and chelsea. It's not his mistake that our squad is stretched, we dont have good strikers. As for allen he plays well when the team plays well. He's still very young and i am glad we have him because he going to turn into a very good CM.

Well the past few days i have been reading about sturridge and ince. To be honest i will be happy with these two. I know sturridge is very greedy and dosen't track back but he knows where the goal is and plus he's young so a lot of things can still be drilled into him. Plus if we can get walcott i'll be one happy man.

Hopefully we'll get a victory against fulham on saturday and climb the table.

amar


 

 

19 Dec 2012 08:11:39
If we look at Sturridge and Ince as replacements for Downing and Cole then but cheaper wages (i know they play different positions) then I think that's an improvement. Im not sold on Sturridge but he will get more goals than Downing.

Ince will thrive under Rodgers as the likes of Sterling, Suso and Wisdom have.

What's interesting is that if Enrique gets injured we only have Robinson to cover and im not sure Rodgers thinks he is quite ready so my guess is we may be looking at a new LB, this will also then give the option of playing Enrique in a more attacking role if needed.

Does anyone think we will strengthen in other areas also does anyone think we will be looking at another Striker to add to Suarez, Borini, Ince, Sturridge and Morgan!?

Thoughts welcome!

YNWA JFT96 jns


Don't forget Yesil!

Fowlers Nostril


 

 

19 Dec 2012 07:55:24
Hi I think that you Should either get Miguel Michu, Swansea or Christian Benteke, Aston Villa.


Stupid post! You don't just wake up and think we'll just go and buy these players! Bit silly tbh


Your the type of fan who said we should have got Papiss cisse. Guess what he's been found out and has scored 1 goal all season. This is what always happens. Michu next year will struggle alot more.


One hit wonders ?

FowlerGod.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 07:23:31
i be happy with sturridge and ince although i dont see why we are gonna pay 12mil for sturridge.
maybe i am crazy but the way we are playing we should spend the money on 24 year old higain.
we have no problems getting in the box,higain does not come for the ball he waits for his team to do the work he just finishes the chances.
suarez and sterling are good at taking on players,i just feel that sturridge and ince will be the same.
higain is just like inzaghi/huntelaar/hernandez/rush they have a special gift they are always in the box and score the important goals.
yes his wage will be just like cole,but if he bangs in 30/40 goals a season like he has been doing all his career none of us including the board will see that as a problem.


Yeah, because Higuain is going to want to leave Madrid and head for a team sitting mid-table in England in the middle of winter and with no CL prospects. I bet he's banging on Mourinho's door right now. And you can double that 12 million fee too.


I would suspect he'd want more than what Cole is getting.
I can guarantee it, LFC will not be making any "big" signings with huge wage demands in the near future.
Maybe when we see some stability with financial issues and bit of consistency in the league and other cups.

FowlerGod.


30/40 goals??..ed can u erase the first post?


Higuain's scoring stats for club and country are not as good as Suarez although a percentage of his goals have come from the subs bench.
Good point about him being a box player though.
kidmillions


 

 

19 Dec 2012 07:01:28
Maybe that's why we have had the Sturridge smoke screen, it was Heskey we we really after all along.


^^I really don't want to be reading that on Feb 1st


More like April 1st


 

 

19 Dec 2012 04:49:34
Must say I was quite pleased with Rodgers signing Allen and Borini in the summer, whilst I would again be pleased with Ince and Sturridge.

None of those players stand out as a bad signing to me, unlike Konchesky, Poulsen etc did.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 04:22:49
I dont care to much about who we sign I just hope to go they settle quickly and actually perform in the red shirt. We sign people like Kewel, Downing, Carroll and they just never fit in. Look at Torres prolific for us and waste of space at Chelsea. Ince and Sturridge, it doesn't really matter their form right now just their from once they get here. Eds do you genuinely believe those two are what we are missing?
Andrew {Ed001's Note - no, but Rodgers knows what he wants them to do, so it may be that they fit perfectly in that vision he has.}


Thanks ed, I guess this is the part where we put our faith in Brendan or go for the jugular. I am willing to give him until end of next season, bar any serious change for the worse. It took SAF years to build United. We have the best kids in the world.
Andrew


 

 

19 Dec 2012 02:05:31
I think people should really give some slack to Stevie G. He's been amazing for this club and now he's 32. He's been the captain for a long time, meaning representing the players to the manager and vice versa. Not a job everyone can do without sometimes being too burdened. He knows the ins and outs of the club and still has to perform along with the other players. Can you imagine with all the changes that's been going on in the last 5-7 years? I believe he wants LFC to succeed more than most of us here, let's just try and support him and the team!

HK


Yes he is a legend within the club. However times change. I feel he has to much of a say in the way things are done. And can act as a burden towards new players. I think he should not be starting especially on current performances.


theDARkNight


I agree with what you say, and lets not forget that he has had the added burden of carrying the team single handed for the last few years.whenever we needed a lift on the pitch who was the one they all turned to? why captain marvel that's who
jaycee


Jaycee, he hasnt carried anything the last few seasons but himself to the doctor and physio. He has been injured for large parts of the last few seasons. Personally I dont even think he should be the captain any longer. Its time for a new era at LFC.

BrisbaneLFC


We must now be one hell of a team,if the captain of the english national team is not good enough to play for us
jaycee


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:28:28
When you play possession football, there is one thing that hurts you above all else. That's giving away cheap ball. look at the goals vs Villa.
Our two best players happen to be the two hurting our performances. For every goal Suarez has scored, there have been more than that conceded, which have resulted from his or anybody elses giving away possession. Also, i remember people slating Charlie Adam for "hollywood balls". Yet Stevie G does it and he's applauded. Yes, his strike rate is better than Adams, but we're just forcing the issue too much and SG and Glen Johnson are behind this impatient football. I'm in no way saying he is past it, as some people do. All i am saying, is i really wish he'd not try so hard...
Please don't take this as criticism for Stevie and Luis. Take it more as an observation of the way they're playing. There is no way they should be dropped or substituted, they just shouldn't try so hard. We need them on the pitch, they are our best players, but they - and especially SG - are better when they build and create real chances. Instead of trying to force it, therefore giving up possession.

I can really see this being taken the wrong way by most people here. But it's in good faith and is simply the way i see things. If we learn anything from the Villa match, it should be the importance of GOOD chances. It's fine to create hundreds of half chances with no killer ball in the end, but there are just no goals coming from it. We dominate matches, but still seems scared of spending time on the ball as induviduals and try to force silly plays. If we could create about a half to two thirds of the chances we create, but spend the time in making them genuine goalscoring opportunities, we'd be absolutely smashing our opponents.
Proper Planning and all that...

I think i got my point across...

Red7.


Good post Red7 but I think it's a little more complex than that. We lose the ball in dangerous areas a lot because of the lack of movement from players ahead of the ball. We get into midfield ok but then no one shows especially in the box. To keep the ball you need numbers around the ball carrier so when you lose it you are committed forward. We don't have a lot of pace in the midfield in Lucas, Gerrard, Sahin, Shelvey to get back 70yrds and recover. Like you I'm not criticising. It's just how it is at the moment. This is what BR means about time to learn the way of playing. At the moment we are committing forward but then gambling with possession and getting caught. Better movement, composure in possession and tactical awareness of the metit and the risk of the pass will improve us. I'd be interested to know how many of our goals conceded have been on the break. It feels like a vast majority.

Simon


So lets get 11 Joe Allens and watch LFC roar

Let strip creavity from LFC

BR and his silly brand of football must go


The Red Rooster


Totally agree Red7

Is it a case that sometimes over-coaching detracts from the instinctive play that is sometimes need to make the killer pass or movement?


The 'philosophy' to me should be keep possession with the right passes (whether they are long short or medium!) then its instinct to release for the goal scoring opportunity and not pass the ball to death sideways or backwards until the opposition defence has had time to get back and reorganise so they can nick the ball back, go the other end and score!

Until we have a team of individuals that have the skill to pass with accuracy with their eyes shut and play Tiki Taka we should embrace flexibilty so that we get results and not just 20mins at a time of 'outstanding, amazing and excellent' performances with no end product or result. Winning silverwear while we build is not impossible - just need to mind shift from the mentality that we are going to be mediocre until a moment in time that we will become great again (will never happen that way).

Maybe thats what the LFC psychologist that BR has brought in should be telling the players...and BR!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


Just put the ball in the net and worry about possession stats after the match.


The team need to be a lot more direct in their play! Quick crisp forward passing! they play the ball sideward's and backward's way to much which cause's mistake's that other team's usually capitalise on! The one thing that really infuriate's me is playing the ball back to Reina only for him to kick it upfield and 9 time's out of 10 we lose possession!


The team need to be a lot more direct in their play! Quick crisp forward passing! they play the ball sideward's and backward's way to much which cause's mistake's that other team's usually capitalise on! The one thing that really infuriate's me is playing the ball back to Reina only for him to kick it upfield and 9 time's out of 10 we lose possession!


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:26:06
well and good to buy forwards what about the back we are leeking goals ?

dannybhoy


Leaking goals??

Jesus christ! 2 matches.


Sod lets go for the we can score more goals than you approach!.
Leeb7red


I don't think it's a case of needing new defenders. The one's we have got are good enough. The style of play we have adopted seems to be pulling our defence out of position, meaning when we lose the ball we are exposed.
Don't get me wrong, it's good to have defenders that can pick a pass but they also have to take into account that marauding out of position leaves a big hole in the defence.
A larger emphasis needs to be put on tightening up at the back as the goals to chances ratio against us proves that we are sadly lacking in this area.

Craigantlee


We need a Welsh defender then?
DM2012


We had a great defensive record last year under the tutilage of Kenny and Steve Clark

Rodgers has mucked that up and we don't need any replacement backs except maybe left back

What we need is a manager who has more than one way of playing and who knows how to marshall a defence

The Red Rooster


Shawcross
Diame
Tiote

3 good defensive type players


theDARkNight


He's got a point though mate. They do look vulnerable at the back.

DaveyBootle


Attack as a team, defend as a team.

We're leaking goals because we need about 10 chances before we score, so the pressure builds and players take more risks and make mistakes.

If we were more efficient up front we would not be leaking as many goals. There is no problem with our defensive players, the problem is with the team.


Did they look vulnerable last season?


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:25:42
Eds I would imagine the club are looking to bring in a couple of strikers. Is the there a possibility of both Sturridge and Walcott? Or is it the case of one and another cheaper option?

Dan. {Ed001's Note - it is more a case of one wouldn't want to join if we had the other one reducing his chances of first team footie.}


An obvious point now that a think about it as that is the reason for Sturridge leaving Chelsea and Walcott wanting to play as a striker. Thanks Ed, have a nice night.

Dan.


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:24:09
Hi Eds
God keep you for the good work you do!

I don't want to moan or criticise; as I did a couple of days ago...however, I'm reserving judgement on BR and FSG (forgive the abbreviation) until the window closes when we can see what quality have been added; as BR promised he would buy quality, or we as fan hope he would. And I ask my fellow fans to please WAIT until business is done (however difficult it may be to wait)...I'm hoping that since good things come to those who wait, we might get 'good things' to come in the new year, like top4, FA cup...
P.S. Good will and Merry Christmas to all, hope a great year for humankind and Liverpool Football Club. AND... BUY THE RECORD!!
Iranred in London {Ed001's Note - I am with you on that, though I will reserve judgement a bit longer than the January window.}


Agree with ed on that one. got to give BR a bit longer than 4months. and merry xmas to you too


You have got to give them till the summer window because this window is the hardest to buy in so the players might not be available


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:02:50
This ones for you ed001! You say Assaidi is struggling to fit in, and language problems. If you know BR, pass this on for me.
1. Best way to make him fit in, put him in a game! Theres nothing like coming off after a winning match and feeling important to the team if you have a good game.....from the premier league to the sunday football.
2. Football is a universal language.
Benny baller {Ed001's Note - but he can't even say where to pass, he needs to settle in first, then play. Nothing worse for feeling bad than making mistakes! Football may be a universal language, but he is not calling for the ball in football, he is not asking for a ball over the top in football.}


Fair enough, maybe when we play football with our friends, we take for granted we can fully commuinicate. When you really think about it, all the different languages in the big clubs, must make a difference, youre right. People, including myself, over look that as we are not a custom too it.
On that note, do you know how suarez's english is coming, he had on his fb him with a tutor and what not, but still doing interviews in another language...
Benny baller {Ed001's Note - he can get by in English, just not fluent yet.}


This is bull, Cisse came to NUFC didn't speak any English and was still scoring for fun at the end of last season. Same with Suarez...there has to be more than just the language.

HK {Ed001's Note - except that half the squad spoke French and so did Cisse. The only bull is coming from you. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that Cisse and Ba were regulars as a partnership for their country. How many players has Assaidi lined up with before at Liverpool?}


Surely a language problem would have been brought up in the scout report?! why sign him then think 'oh actually he cant even speak english, lets not play him!' {Ed001's Note - because he can learn English, what a ridiculous point you make.}


Can't speak English properly yet ed?
Never stopped carra. Lol
Assaidis English is non existent I can vouch for that. Shouldn't take him too long to learn the basic language skills most footballers use though.
Hopefully he will be given time to shine and give sterling a much needed rest.

MIKEY


 

 

18 Dec 2012 23:49:45
I thought every liverpool fan out there agreed exactly to what was going to happen to liverpool and what the plan was when Brendan joined the club. Has everyone forgotten that there is nothing wrong with the manager and owner's taking their time?


How come AVB doesnt need all this time but brenden does? there 4th where 12th fact and where supposed to be a bigger team than them, lol


 

 

19 Dec 2012 00:07:42
Liverbird,

So my posts are child like yeah? Okay mate if u say so but im not the one irrationally writing off BR after 1 transfer window and half a season

Im not against u or anyone else having a negative opinion but you all are voltures hovering around waiting for the next moment to pounce on the players, manager, board and whoever else

You say the board have worries about BRs signings, fair enough please drop the link below so i can go read it

You see i dont mind general debate but not BS b*tchin n moaning after every result. We are building a young team for the future

Dalglish spent 77 million pounds on henderson, downing, carroll, charlie afam etc and led us 8th and a league cup

That is failure at the highest order, BRe had a shaky start yes but look at the circumstances, 17/18/19 year. Old youth academy players playing only had 30 mil to spend in total and had to sell experienced players like kuyt maxi bellamy etc

You say Allens a flop? The guy who one Welsh player of the year ahead lf Bale is only just turned 22 and has admirably covered Lucas and is single handedly carrying gerrard

Truss me allen is a top player and is doing what he was bought for, beingthe controller, his movement and keeping the game ticking is second to none which is why he won fans player of the month in his 1st month, give the kid a break NOT A FLOP

Borini wa the youngest Italian player to be included in Italy's Euro's team which got to the finals, he was playing with a broken foot and his movement is also fantastic, hardly played a game but a 21 tear old full italian international for half what we paid for downing = A STEAL he will come good once he gets a bit of strength with age

Assaidi was 10 TIMES cheaper than downing and has shown more quality in 1 game than downing has in a season and a half, and has only played a couple games = NOT A FLOP, certainly not for the price

Incr + sturridge + Sahin for 18 mill or carroll + downing + hendo for 70 million

I rest my case

Cheers

Shak Attack


I truss you Shak.

Melbourne CFC


19 Dec 2012 01:02:24
Shak attack mate yor missing the point Dalglish didn't get 100M to spend he got 30M to spend same as Rodgers diffrence was he sold some players

Torres 50m
Babael 7m
Raul 11m
Ngong 4m
Total. 72m

If Rodgers wants to spend like Dalglish then he needs to sell some players coz FSG are not rich to spend their own 100M in transfer market

If you think Rodgers is good then Rodgers should sell some players like Dalglish in order to build his own team coz no manager is going to survive 2-3 years without champions league. A club like liverpool needs to finish in top4 coz finishing 7-8th don't generate enough money to run club like liverpool`s size at the sametime we will be in danger to loose some of our big sponsors can't see owners risking loseing money and sponsors in order to give Rodgers 2-3 years without champions league. The days of transition are gone thise is modern footy where a lot of money is involved. {Ed001's Note - except that no one would take the players we wanted to sell! Come on, this is not rocket science, we all know that we couldn't sell the likes of Cole and Carroll to raise funds or we would have done.}


Well said.. Shak


I have to agree with you but I do not think Henderson will be a flop if he is given time. I'm glad he is getting more time lately.

Rk


If you think BR is a good manager then state so on his own merits, ie he's tactically astute and has shown a willingness to learn. Your juvenile criticisms of a club legend (KD) are an insult to the man and everything he stood for. Fair enough if you wish to defend BR, but your repeated argument of defending BR and his spending by attacking KD is disappointing. Less we forget Commolli's role, the repeated woodwork, injuries to Gerard and Lucas, and Suarez banned for a quarter of the season. BR is also a good manager but I'm sick of seeing posts like this dragging Kenny's name through the mud just because you can't articulate an intelligent defence of Rodgers.


You keep using bad signings to justify more bad signings


A Kenny hater if ever there was one


The fact of the matter is, they seen us coming. Whenever people see liverpool come in for a player the price is doubled. We are foolish enough to pay it. Shocking negotiating and scouting system.

theDARkNight


19 Dec 2012 10:53:25
Since you write so much but with little content, let me summarize what you want to say :

1. We like to pounce on players, manager, board and whoever else.
2. People whine after every result and a young team for the future is being built.
3. Dalglish spent 77 million and achieved two cup finals plus eigth place. That is the failure at the highest order.
4. BR had to sell experienced players and ONLY had 30 million to spend.
5. Allen and Borini is a FLOP. And neither is Assaidi. Allen is carrying Gerrard.
6. Incr + sturridge + Sahin for 18 mill or carroll + downing + hendo for 70 million.


So here are your answers :

1. I don't remember criticizing anyone apart from Brendan Rodgers. I don't think he should be sacked but you have to criticize him where he is wrong. You can read the other posts where I have mentioned his weaknesses and strengths.

2. Let me assure that the post Villa match comments are my first assessment of Rodgers having observed many facets of his managerial ability after his appointment this summer.

3. I dont think Dalglish failed. He was simply not given enough time to complete his project. I remember City having spent an absolute fortune in Mark Hughes' first season in charge. Having not qualified for Champions League, he did get another half-season. So was the case with Mancini. So why have different standards for Kenny Dalglish ?

The whole "Sack Kenny" agenda was media driven and unfortunately some Liverpool fans,like you, took the bait.

I dont know how if you are a fan, then a cup is not good enough for you. Nothing equals the thrills and feelings of winning a cup.

4. Those players sold by Brendan Rodgers were contracted to LFC. It was Brendan Rodgers' duty to convince them and make them stay. Instead he sold/loaned out all except Suarez. He is the one responsible for the lack of strikers now.

I think some people are misinformed that FSG pulled the plug on the deal for a striker. Wrong. Brendan Rodgers was told he can buy Daniel Sturridge and the money was available. HE SAID NO.

5. Allen, Borini and Assaidi are NO FLOPS. But NONE of them can be classified as SUCCESS.

Probably you are watching some other matches. Despite all the non sense about Gerrard these days, he has been one of our best players this season.

The only reason fans think he has not been performing because the flow of our game no longer goes through Gerrard anymore. The play moves through our fullbacks/controller to the wingers and then to Suarez...

Hence Gerrard is no longer a vital cog of the build up...I feel bad for him because he has improved a lot but people cant notice that anymore....

6.Yes Kenny probably spent 77 million (gross) but sold the likes of Torres, Babel and Meirelles for a combined 70 million (50+8+12)...

The way Brendan Rodgers is going LFC will have to sell most of the players for free...He drags down their transfer value by public discussion in the media...

Andy Carroll
Stewart Downing
Pepe Reina - through subtle hints
Joe Cole
Sebastian Coates
Jordan Henderson
Luis Enrique - until his resurgance

I am not alone in my assessment here. But I am not calling for his head.

LiverBird


I would say that just about sums up the past 2 years clearly. Spot on mate.

Ozone


And when I say that I mean Liverbirds post.

Ozone


 

 

18 Dec 2012 23:57:57
18m combined, for ince and sturridge to be announced early january
heard it hear first
robbo7


19 Dec 2012 00:13:47
I honestly didn't hear it from you 1st..Infact I read that in the echo tonight and read that same thing a couple of days ago elsewhere.


More wasted money


Way to expensive.
Sturridge is valued at 12m yet has achieved nothing. Ince the same.

4m for sturridge
2m for Ince

Thats is all i would pay if they are not intersted then move on and look at others. I personally dont think they will win us the league and thats what we should be trying to achieve.



theDARkNight


Wasted money buying the Echo? That's a bit harsh.


Darknight you are a plank. if you were in charge of negotiations we would not get anywhere


 

 

 
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