Liverpool Banter Archive September 18 2010

 

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18 Sep 2010 23:04:12
Im replying to something the ed posted earlier. To be honest, how many of us can truly say that if, maybe 10 years from now, liverpool are battling for promotion in the championship, we'll still be supporting our club? To be honest, i think a third of lfc fans will jump ship if something like that happens. In the end it all comes down to supporting the team, no matter what. Why are there hull, blackpool, wigan, sunderland, everton(l0l), mk dons, etc fans in the world? Because they are gonna win bags of trophies? No, because the fans jus want to support their team. So, no matter what our history, id rather support a mid-table, well-run lfc any day. Just think about it, what happens when abramovich and the city dude grow tired of their blue toys?
Red bl00ded!

 

 

18 Sep 2010 23:03:41

The South African LFC fans website, who seem one of the few who do get genuine information, say that Hicks has already announced a deal to the Board, to refinance with an old business pal and a company called I think Blackstone, allowing him 2 years breathing space to sell the club. Its not a deal involving any more spending on players or a stadium- effectively LFC are frozen for 2 years or until such time a buyer appears who will match Hicks demands. He must know there are people interested in buying, and this way he can do a deal which pays off Blackstone fairly soon to avoid a build up of interest, but allows him to still walk away with more money than if he just gave up now and handed over to RBS.
Problem is, if he gets too greedy, nobody will buy, and LFC will be ruined for years. All the biggest name players like Torres will leave by next July at latest, and there will not be the squad strength or funds to get into a CL place for the forseeable future.
But firstly, fans need to wait and see if this is true, which we will know by 1s Oct. IF it is, the fans could revolt in unison and boycott all the games, and mount a campaign via supporters networks and the internet to boycott any LFC merchandise until Hicks is gone.
But if the sale is soon, a massive action by fans could actually put off a possible bidder, so its not straightforward.
If this news is true, LFC fans need to start getting their act together and thinking about what they can do to force Hicks out without adding to the problem themselves. But it may be that the time for action has finally come.
MUFC fans have shown that even public protests do little to shift unpopular owners like the Glazers, but they havent seen what LFC fans can do yet. .

 

 

18 Sep 2010 23:00:39

18 Sep 2010 22:12:46

Im wating for the abuse to come my way, but! i truly belive the only person holding liverpool back is gillet, i think if hicks did get control, then things would progress and he would show me the money, gillet is a total bell end.
im sick of everybody talking s* t about how skint H&G are, total bollox these guys a billionaires, ive got a loan that i could pay off but choose not too as i prefer to have surplus cash in the bank? ?
and no its not £300 million squid loan before you all start gobbin off.
given the chance i think hicks would do it the right way not like gillet.
Hicks Knows how big and how much $$$$$ he can make with a club like liverpool,
and look at how much has been inveted since they took over, not there fault most of rafas signings were gash.
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OMG how deluded are some people, I suggest you learn what a leveraged buyout means the guys sports franchises have all died a death Dallas stars, Texas Rangers and Corinthians of Brazil the guy has no clue and is killing our club as he has killed others and you are defending him, you have to be a WUM or just have no actual idea about anything that is happening to the club, well if you get your wish say goodbye to Torres, Reina etc and get ready for championship football (if we can afford to pay the players wages).

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:53:44

The club was bought in a leveraged buyout I suggest you read what that means, Hicks has put nothing into the club, you everytime you go, buy something , anything from the club you are paying to buy it.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:51:31

To the guy who is saying Hicks would be ok on his own, can you not read or is your head in the clouds the guy has never done anything other than drive his "sports" franchises into the ground.

I think you should read about the Dallas Stars, Texas Rangers and Corinthians of Brazil who he not only run into the ground but also got them relegated and sold thier best players (Tevez + Masch) and left them with a mountian of debt so they had to go into administration.

Hick's or Gillett have put nothing at all into the club, they bought the club with a leveraged buyout. ie everytime you go to a game, buy merchandise even buying a drink, you are paying for Hicks to buy the club, so congrats for helping to get his thieving hands on this once proud club as in a few years time it may well not be here.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:42:20

If Macca is getting info from Ian Ayres then I have a direct line to God, shall I ask him what is happening?

Oh and by the way I am an Athiest

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:33:10
"Im wating for the abuse to come my way, but! i truly belive the only person holding liverpool back is gillet, i think if hicks did get control, then things would progress and he would show me the money, gillet is a total bell end.
im sick of everybody talking s* t about how skint H&G are, total bollox these guys a billionaires, ive got a loan that i could pay off but choose not too as i prefer to have surplus cash in the bank? ?
and no its not £300 million squid loan before you all start gobbin off.
given the chance i think hicks would do it the right way not like gillet.
Hicks Knows how big and how much $$$$$ he can make with a club like liverpool,
and look at how much has been inveted since they took over, not there fault most of rafas signings were gash."

I bet the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Stars beg to differ on your claim.

I too have a loan and have to make repayments each month, the Fat Texan doesn't bother about trivial stuff like that . . . . . and unlike you and me gets away without it.

Think you have an ill thought claim here, or your Tom junior.

Dirks Engine Room

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:26:15
Well lads its already 1-0 i have just defeated the mancs on there banter page, checked it out will make u laugh.

ul nwa

come on the reds. .

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:22:11
If you wanta complain. Then complain to some of these people. They would rather like to hear it. Stop complainin here.


thicks@hicksholdings.com
gngillett@bcmgt.com
tohjr@hicksholdings.com


'Stephen.Hester@rbs.co.uk';
'info@beachpointcapital.com'; 'uk.investor@blackrock.com'; 'broker.services@blackrock.com'; 'info@trimarancapital.com'; 'investorrelations@trimaranadvisors.com'; 'inquiries@deshaw.com'; 'recruiting-inquiries@deshaw.com'; 'media-inquiries@deshaw.com'; 'irweb@deshaw.com'; 'kari.elassal@deshaw.com'; 'donald.goodson@deshaw.com'; 'fkanga@avenueinvestment.com'; 'pgardner@avenueinvestment.com'; 'pharris@avenueinvestment.com'; 'bharris@avenueinvestment.com'; 'info@centerbridge.com'; 'hr@centerbridge.com'; 'hr@fbr.com'; 'fbcmir@fbr.com'; 'advisors@fbr.com'; 'media@fbr.com'; 'mmurray@fbr.com'; 'fbrresearch@fbr.com'; 'webproducer@fbr.com'; 'BlackstoneInvestorR elations@blackstone.com'; 'info@blackstone.com'; 'jon.laycock@barcap.com'; 'john.hourican@rbs.com'; 'roger.lowry@rbs.co.uk'; 'rebecca.oliphant@rbs.com'; 'richard.holliday@rbs.com'; 'gngillett@bcmgt.com'; 'ian.ayre@liverpoolfc.tv'; 'philip.nash@liverpoolfc.tv'; 'thicks@hicksholdings.com'; 'tohjr@hicksholdings.com'; 'martin.broughton@ba.com'; 'lisa@lemastergroup.com'; 'rick@lemastergroup.com'

philip.nash@liverpoolfc.tv, thicks@hicksholdings.com, . . 'thicks@hicksholdings.com'; 'tohjr@hicksholdings.com'; 'martin.broughton@ba.com

Stephen.Hester@RBS.com
investor@blackrock.com,
broker.services@blackrock.com,
info@trimarancapital.com,
investorrelations@trimaranadvisors.com,
inquiries@deshaw.com,
recruiting-inquiries@deshaw.com,
media-inquiries@deshaw.com,
irweb@deshaw.com,
kari.elassal@deshaw.com,
donald.goodson@deshaw.com,
info@centerbridge.com,
hr@centerbridge.com,
fbcmir@fbr.com,
advisors@fbr.com,
media@fbr.com,
mmurray@fbr.com,
fbrresearch@fbr.com,
webproducer@fbr.com,
ons@blackstone.com">BlackstoneInvestorRelati ons@blackstone.com,
info@blackstone.com,
jon.laycock@barcap.com,
john.hourican@rbs.com,
roger.lowry@rbs.co.uk,
rebecca.oliphant@rbs.com,
richard.holliday@rbs.com,
gngillett@bcmgt.com,
ian.ayre@liverpoolfc.tv,
philip.nash@liverpoolfc.tv,
thicks@hicksholdings.com,
tohjr@hicksholdings.com,
martin.broughton@ba.com,
lisa@lemastergroup.com,
rick@lemastergroup.com
Marc.hazleton@Barcap.com,
Schuyler.clemente@Barcap.com,
Maureen.mackman@RBS.com,
kari.elassal@deshaw.com,
fundinfo@deshaw.com,
Claire-Muldoon@deshaw.com,
Chris.sullivan@RBS.com,
Chris.sullivan@RBS.co.uk

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:19:55
If everything has been bought on hirer purchase, what do you do when your cheques start bouncin.

If u figure it out, tell Hicks. lol

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:12:46

Im wating for the abuse to come my way, but! i truly belive the only person holding liverpool back is gillet, i think if hicks did get control, then things would progress and he would show me the money, gillet is a total bell end.
im sick of everybody talking s* t about how skint H&G are, total bollox these guys a billionaires, ive got a loan that i could pay off but choose not too as i prefer to have surplus cash in the bank? ?
and no its not £300 million squid loan before you all start gobbin off.
given the chance i think hicks would do it the right way not like gillet.
Hicks Knows how big and how much $$$$$ he can make with a club like liverpool,
and look at how much has been inveted since they took over, not there fault most of rafas signings were gash.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 22:00:48
MANCHESTER UNITED: Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, J Evans, Evra, Scholes, Fletcher, Nani, Giggs. Berbatov, Rooney

LIVERPOOL: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Konchesky, Maxi Rodriguez, Gerrard, Raul Meireles, Joe Cole, Jovanovic, Torres.

442 vs 442

we should defend well tomorrow, and farrard and meireles in middle will surpise a few people. Im expecting good play, but they won't play wide,

It will be very narrow throught the centre. Expecting 2 nil away victory for liverpool.

Hope Hodgson plays 5 in midfield. these kinda games are just battles and that set pecies and corners have been practised well.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 21:55:42

This should be liverpool line up tomorrow

Reina gk
Charragher rb
Skrtel cb
Agger cb
Aurelio lb
Gerrard cm
Merellis cm
Jhonson rm
Babel lm
Cole acm
Torres cf

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 21:41:59

The team against manure should be 4-4-1-1-

reina gk
kelly rb
carra cb
agger cb
konchesky lb
johnson rw
gerrard mc
meireles mc
babel lw
cole amc
torres str

Yep, I'll back you on this team. It will give Manu something to think about!


Yep i agree, good side, Joe Cole is raring to go, and Babbel started to look the part on Thursday.

sooty

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 21:24:47
Kenny Dalglish's, comments yesterday about the future of the club are all I need to hear about the situation - the first bit of level headed common-sense I've heard in a while. In this case, if he's happy I'm happy.

(and I'm still glad he's wasn't re-appointed as manager))

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 21:02:39

I feel anger, frustration but above all sadness that are once great club is being brought to his knees. The people who have suffered are us the fans and it appears no-one cares. Yes Hicks and Gillett have destroyed us financially, Yes Moores and Parry are partly responsible for not doing homework but currently Broughton, Purslow & Ayre (they tell us they are Liverpool fans) are just as bad. They must understand how we feel as supporters - don't give me this confidential carp just a statement on the lines of 'please ignore speculation the number 1 priority is to sell the club'. I have had enough listening to the rumours from people who think they know (macca for one). It appears no one else cares.

DRASTIC ACTION IS NEEDED. NOTHING HAS WORKED SO FAR DESPITE THE GREAT WORK OF SOS

For many of us fans who have poured thousands of pounds into watching LFC over the years we now need to make a stand. If the stories are true and Hicks does not walk away I would completely boycott a game to begin with then as supporters we return our season tickets to the door of LFC. You might say the team would suffer. But this is no longer are team or our club. Sadly we leave Hicks and the rest of the board to rot. This would cause the Premier League, Uefa to take notice.

I would ask that we begin to support AFC Liverpool a team formed when Hicks and Gillett bought our club. Fans who voluntered to raise cash through Share Liverpool could pump money into AFC and form our own board. Carragher who has not yet signed a contract could become player manager. A new LFC could be born. Once Hicks and Gillett and the other clowns are destroyed we could buy Anfield and return to rightful home.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 20:59:55
This is ******d* speaking
tom hicks is a h*cking texas bufoon who talks ***** remember his snoogy doogy speech he won't be getting refinancing of the loans its all hot air to ramp up the price believe me the club has or is about to change hands the 3 directors have seen to it the yonks can't interfere with the sale no matter how much ***** they spout funny how gillett who got hicks on board in the first place has all but jumped ship leaving his partner in crime to scamper around the globe looking for someone to bail him out well he aint gona get it the lenders are steering well clear of him as the don't want to be associated with this type of leverage buyout cos they see the stick hicks and gillett get so they don't want any part of it as they see that its the fans that can bring the club down by not supporting it financially and it may happen if these stay in charge
so adios texas t*p say hello to dubya for me you will enjoy his company a pair of thick bl**s you are

 

 

18 Sep 2010 20:43:16

Hi ed,
what is happening to our immortal beloved?
i, m very scared for our future.
thanks malta.

{Editor's Note: I am sure in the longer term everything will be just fine. We need to focus on the football not the politics.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 19:33:24

Torres is bound to hit form sooner or later but now he is under tremendous pressure to perform.it would be better if he is provided with support upfront

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 19:21:13

Liverpool has always been a fans club and now it is turning into a bloody business.everything happening behind closed doors not a single word to the thousands of fans.how many statements have there been from the club officially regarding the takeover?
agreed that the new owners would want the deal to go on quietly but how would we know that we atleast have prospective buyers.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 19:11:43

I don't think hicks seriously wants to stay. So no matter what he does, sooner or later we will have new owners. He is a desperate man.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:51:00

If fat b* tards hicks manages to pull off the scam he trying I think all us Liverpool fans should abandon the club and merchandise so he gets fock all .believe agree . unbelieve don't agree. stand big fello reds , psv elnino

Think you'll get a lot of people agreeing with you,
Only problem is you'll always have the non locals coming from Ireland, Scandanavia, America, Asia etc who have never been before & they'd still get 25,000 per game easily i'd say & will but merchantdise too but i agree with you overall

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:37:48

Rafa did tend to manage by committee, even his signings were done that way. Liverpool players played more games during the 80s, yet they managed to play every single game. My belief is the training has changed, players are now trained in short, sharp bursts, like sprinters, when they need to be trained like endurance athletes.}

Agian Ed i pretty much agree with you.
Maybe all this new style training is having bad effects on players healths / hearts too.
How many players have had heart issues recently as an example?
A lot more now than in the 80's and before i'd guess.
It can only be dangerous for these guys to be increasing then decreasing the players heart rates quickly in my opinion.
Where do they find these so called experts? Job centre i suppose :)
Again in my opinion: they should get the players to do technical training first with the ball & tactics like corners & free kicks then do some endurance training with some sprints mixed in. But i always see the boys standing around then suddenly 3/ 4 sprint which is just pointless. Give me the bloody job & i'd sort out the men from the wimps & i'd do it for much less than those so called experts charge

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:33:34
Come on all reds fans, let's let these owners know they can't remain at our club!they have turned us into a joke!
Ianthedriller

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:28:20
Arsenal world class under wenger:
t henry, a cole, f fabregas, g silva, d bergkamp, r pires, n anelka, s campbell.

next world class:
walcott, wilshere, ramsey, song, clichy, vermaelen.

Mr.E

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:25:30

Was also going to put a shout in for JonJo Shelvey until my missus (same age as me - 38) said she fancied him between the f* * *g sheets! !
Do me a favour - wots he got that I ain't?
Dirty cow.

Jon Jo Shelvey here,
I'm sorry your wife fancies me.
I'm too busy at the moment anyway with Rooney's mrs so you're safe enough for now

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:19:04

{Editor's Note: I think it is the players who have changed over the years. Can't see Souness moaning over a broken fingernail.}

Maybe you're right yeah. Actually you're dead right!
Not having a go at Rafa now (did that the other night & feel much better since) but the Spanish fitness coach he had with him here (De Miguel or something) looks like he wouldn't inspire anyone.
Some of the training / warm up routines he had the lads doing were terrible. And he was always in Rafa's ear about this player needing a rest or that one needing a rest yet Carragher, Gerrard, Pepe & Torres after the first half of his first season always played. Which is a contradiction in itself. Whatever happened to the manager managing? He was probably on a bloody good wage for it too (so wasted more of the clubs cash).
Didn't mention this on here before cause i'm new here but i just want to see if anyone on here agrees with me or not yourself included Ed.
I'd love to get hold of a few of them (Babel, Aquilani etc - i know he's gone now) & give them a proper, good, manly training session.
I dunno maybe i'm wrong?! Maybe i'm missing something {ed's note - Rafa did tend to manage by committee, even his signings were done that way. Liverpool players played more games during the 80s, yet they managed to play every single game. My belief is the training has changed, players are now trained in short, sharp bursts, like sprinters, when they need to be trained like endurance athletes.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:17:09

Why are fans saying Agger or Skyrtle? Why not Agger and Skyrtle. in my opinion, it is Carra who should miss out. Both are Quicker and both are better on the ball. Carragher would not be missed if he was never to play for Liverpool again. The fans on here faith in him baffles me. Yes he as been a great servant for our club, but with all respect to him he is 18 months past his best. It was Reina who saved us from defeat last weekend and not Carra. I am a season ticket older and many fans sitting near me are of the same opinion. But when you read forums its like Carra is the same player he as always been, but he isn't and will never be as good as he was. He will cost us matches and we play deeper when he is in the team Time catches up with everyone and Carra is no exception. Please woy dwop him.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:10:07
I do 1 situp in the morning just before a bit of cardio and speed training and spend the rest of day doing f* k all. need a job man. come on the reds.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:05:00

Ed. Today has been my favourite day reading your website. Your in great form. If you were a striker you would have scored a hatrick and realised it's only halftime. If you were a keeper you'd have saved 2 peno's and got an assist on a goal. Truely great stuff. LIVERPOOL FC fans. this is how you support the club. Logically and defiantly. No knee jerk reaction to owners or owner takeover potential. Support our manager. Support our players and support everyone trying to do the right thing to restore our club to greatness.
I also agree that if we do the right things and get our problems sorted top 7-8 will be sufficient for now. Liverpool FC minus the debt, minus the sugar daddy plus the stability = greatness again.

Paul

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:04:56

Was going to say that I was feeling a bit down until Thursday's game - now think we might give Manure a bit of a run!
Babel looked like a player in patches and was impressed with Meireles.
Was hoping to see Eccleston on earlier - good player and also Amoo, who I rate.
Was also going to put a shout in for JonJo Shelvey until my missus (same age as me - 38) said she fancied him between the f* * *g sheets! !
Do me a favour - wots he got that I ain't?
Dirty cow.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:03:23

I think this is our strongest XI and most appropriate formation:
Pepe
Kelly Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Johnson Pacheco Cole
Torres

COME ON YE REDS

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:02:19

I think this is our strongest XI and most appropriate formation:
Pepe
Kelly Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Johnson Pacheco Cole
Torres

 

 

18 Sep 2010 18:01:00

Cup of tea . . . . . Anyone?


Would murder one man.
But too hungover to get up.
Will you make it please?
Two sugars, cheers.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 17:54:12
1993/ 94 - Roy Evans replaces Graeme Souness
1994/ 95 - Win League Cup
1998/ 99 - Gerard Houllier joins Evans as joint-manager
1998/ 99 - Houllier takes sole charge in November 1998
2000/ 01 - Win FA Cup, League Cup and Uefa Cup
2002/ 03 - Win League Cup
2003/ 04 - Houllier departs by mutual consent in May 2004- spending £129.45m
2004/ 05 - Rafa Benitez takes over
2004/ 05 - Xabi Alonso 10.7m, Luis Garcia 6m, joins,
2004/ 05 - Win Champions League
2005/ 06 - Win FA Cup
2006/ 07 - American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks become owners in a deal worth £470m.
2007/ 08 - Fernando Torres becomes Liverpool's record signing at an initial fee of around £20.2m from Atletico Madrid.
2008/ 09 - Javi Mascherano £18.6m,
Benitez signs a new five-year contract.
2009/ 10 - Benitez leaves Liverpool by mutual consent.spending £265m
2009/ 10 - Roy Hodgson takes over

why do people forget that Tom Hicks allowed benitez to purchase players like Torres and Mascherano.

Liverpool spend 265m - 134m = 131m- lost under Benitez.

looking at these numbers its clear to see that benitez has failed in the transfer market big time.

Why do people care so much about the clubs finances, i don't see Hicks worrying about your Mortage repayments.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 17:54:10

I for one am sick of the takeover talks.
People seem to be forgetting we have a huge game tomorrow with all this takeover rubbish!
If we win tomorrow think of the huge high we'd be on which could set our season up nicely so COME ON people & get behind the real reds for this game.
Just have a fear we will get side tracked with all the take over talks. Lets kick Manure's a*ses!
Then not mess it all up by losing to Blackpool.
COME ON LIVERPOOL!
Ed, do you think managers (especially Liverpool managers seemingly) rely a bit too much on the so called fitness experts?
I have worked with sports pros (boxers & the like) for years and they never seem tired or moan about the small things footballers seem to have all the time.

{Editor's Note: I think it is the players who have changed over the years. Can't see Souness moaning over a broken fingernail.}
I myself train twice a day - Weights Training for 60 - 90 mins 4 times a week early in the day then do 8 hours work & 60+ mins of cardio & speed training in the evening & just don't get what they moan about all the time. Its a bloody joke.
I had to laugh when i heard Roy Hodgson say he couldn't play players after only one week back training after the world cup & having two weeks holidays!
Come on like. Are ye mice or men anymore.
Football is fast becoming a sport for posers & ponces! Ridiculous

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 17:23:21

Cup of tea . . . . . Anyone?

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 16:51:41
18 Sep 2010 16:32:19
17 Sep 2010 21:32:51

With the City owners and trust me I'm not being disrepectful to City. . but WHY City? I don't get it He could have got an unbelievable steeped in traditiion mega club that would be feared anywhere with fans to match in Liverpool. .He could have got bargainbasement Newcastle and been a hero beyond his beliefs. He could have bought the scum. .He bought a team that were pushing for promotion with Wigan and Fulham not to long ago in the lower divisions. . Am i wrong? I liked City but I just don't get it. SMF

Maybe he thought he could build something at CITY. Why not city don't the city fans deserve some good times you surprise me didint think LIVERPOOL FANS were like that they were always my secnod club but no more. If you want someone to blame for your plight look to your former Chairman & Chief Ex who took the yanks money instead of DIC.

Come on Liverpool fans who's right.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 16:35:48
The clock is ticking hicks 18 days, oh know i can't refinance im a failure what am i going to do f. k off back to the states and take bic razor with you

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 16:32:19
17 Sep 2010 21:32:51

With the City owners and trust me I'm not being disrepectful to City. . but WHY City? I don't get it He could have got an unbelievable steeped in traditiion mega club that would be feared anywhere with fans to match in Liverpool. .He could have got bargainbasement Newcastle and been a hero beyond his beliefs. He could have bought the scum. .He bought a team that were pushing for promotion with Wigan and Fulham not to long ago in the lower divisions. . Am i wrong? I liked City but I just don't get it. SMF

Maybe he thought he could build something at CITY. Why not city don't the city fans deserve some good times you surprise me didint think LIVERPOOL FANS were like that they were always my secnod club but no more. If you want someone to blame for your plight look to your former Chairman & Chief Ex who took the yanks money instead of DIC.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 16:07:22

17 Sep 2010 18:26:21

This Hicks story is just paper talk to derail Liverpool once more by the Manutd and London club supporting media and press They want create more instability at Liverpool just days before the biggest clash English football. There was post the other day on Rumours/ Banter saying this kind of story would break on friday to disrupt our preparations. It sells papers because its Liverpool and we go along and buy it. H&G will be gone in a few weeks. Good riddance!

I HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS POST FROM YESTERDAY. JR EWING AND CLIFF BARNES ARE FINISHED (H&G). THEY ARE PERSONA NON GRATA WITHIN THE FINANCIAL COMMUNITY IN NORTH AMERICA.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 16:02:22

In this mornings Daily Telegraph Kenny Dalglish suggests that he would prefer to redevelop Anfield, rather than move to a new stadium on Stanley Park. Is this possible? We need to add atleast 15,000 more to the capacity?
Is it possible to purchase residential property and other land around the Anfield Stadium which would be required for this?
If Liverpool stayed at Anfield, could Everton takeover the Stanley park site?
I remember in the early 1990s the mention of a 'Wembley of the North' to built on or near Aintree for both clubs in liverpool to share. What happend to this plan?

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:57:01

Wenger and the media always talk up Arsenal's youth players, saying they'll be the next big thing, but how many actually have been big players?
Ashley Cole and Cesc Fabregas. That's it.
Look at all the players Wenger and the media said were going to be massive players but weren't, Francis Jeffers, Richard Wright, Jermaine Pennant, Justin Hoyte, Theo Walcott. All of them were hyped as future stars, none of them fulfilled their potential. Jack Wilshire will be the same.
Everyone thinks Arsenal is some kind of Mecca for young talent, but really it's just Wenger talking them up so he can make a profit on them.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:49:25
18 Sep 2010 15:08:58
The team against manure should be 4-4-1-1-

reina gk
kelly rb
carra cb
agger cb
konchesky lb
johnson rw
gerrard mc
meireles mc
babel lw
cole amc
torres str

Yep, I'll back you on this team. It will give Manu something to think about!

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:41:22
18 Sep 2010 14:37:32

To the guy are any other liverpool fan who puts ngog are lucas in a premier league game must be mad , do you go and watch a live game are are you a tv fan, forger the goals on thursday smoke screen if you want these 2 in your side you must be a manure fan,


what a complete tool you are for posting his rubbish.!

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:21:45
The debt is £280 million, RBS will take offers of around £500 million, who ever buys Liverpool and hears the bad news, most of the finance for the sale, will come from another LOAN! !if the sale price is higher the debt will be larger, more worrying is the prosbect of the new stadium being payed for from a loan, if the consortium that buys Liverpool are only interested in making money, there will be no re-investment until they have there money back, if they want tomake the club comptetive again, it will be a loan and not there own money on the table.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:08:58
The team against manure should be 4-4-1-1-

reina gk
kelly rb
carra cb
agger cb
konchesky lb
johnson rw
gerrard mc
meireles mc
babel lw
cole amc
torres str

that way we will have a bit of pace on the flanks and altho johnson aint great at defending he will be better than maxi at protecting kelly and gettin forward with the two mcs well both can play box to box and when one attacks the other can sit there and watch for the counter, i would play agger over skrtel as agger is a quality defender and can pass, bring the ball out and not just hoof it

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:06:39

It's common knowledge that had H+G not screwed Benitez up in the past 3 years, we could have easily had something like £80million+ more to spend in transfers.So, wouldn't it then be justice if whoever buys the clube gives the manager, say, a £100m to spend?I mean, we'd only be making up for the last 2 or so windows.If it hadn't been for those interest payments, Rafa could have spent quality money on quality players.See it like this:you get mugged by thugs of all/ most of your pension/ wages;on your way home you see £7 on the ground, you take it, and go play the lottery, lo and behold, you win.You got robbed, but got all your money back by winning the lottery.That's it, mates.

If a owner gives Hodgson or whoever is coach big bucks to spend, that's our that we should've spent, but them turds robbed us.
Luk, I'm NOT suggesting a Mansour City here, far from it.
What I want is for us to spend big and better on what we NEED, not buy a player so that someone else doesn't get him.What I want is for a new owner to give the manager a once off £80m+ to buy at least 5 new players (lb, lw, rw, fwd, cb).From there on we would use the club's own profits to buy that 1 or 2 marquees in the summer, and give the young lads more chances.

For example:we bring in Gary Cahill, David Santon, Alexis Sanchez, Eljero Elia and Fernando Llorente.We boot into touch Konch, Soto, Carra, Maxi, the locomotive Jova, Poulso, Kuyt and Babel.We promote/ play more Kelly, Wilson, Mavinga, Amoo, Silva, Ince, Pacheco, Sterling, Suso.

That's it ed, it's that easy.We didn't go kamikaze, but spent accordingly.Yes, there will be "distruptions" there and there, but when it all comes together, heaven help whoever's in our path.

Lord Jerome.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 15:03:22

What happened to the "deal was done " people surely they are still here, or have they vanished due to recent events (Hicks tryiong to get refinancing).

The club could literally die and people come on with BS stories.

IMO I reckon they ain't LFC fans just WUM's who support other clubs!

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 14:37:32

To the guy are any other liverpool fan who puts ngog are lucas in a premier league game must be mad , do you go and watch a live game are are you a tv fan, forger the goals on thursday smoke screen if you want these 2 in your side you must be a manure fan,

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 14:02:42

18 Sep 2010 13:07:02

My best team to face united:

Reina
Johnson- -Carragher- -skrtel- -konchesky
- - - - - -Gerrard- -Meireles- - - - - -
Cole- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Jovanovic
- - - - - - -Ngog- -Torres- - - - - - -

Subs: Jones, Agger, Kelly, Lucas, Pacheco, Babel, Maxinah i don't think so that's making the same mistake that we did against Man city, playing 442 when they played 4321. we were out numbered in the midfield and we got hammered.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 14:00:51

RE-He said Hicks is looking for finance and is proposing to remove Gillette from equation. The board could veto it (probably will), but if Hicks manages to get the money then RBS would walk away, and therefore so would Broughton. He also hinted Hicks could stage a coup, remove the directors and install his own yes men.

Ill kill the b* tard myself if he does that! !

db9

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 13:31:15

Ed don't you think that kelly is too lanky for a full back at 1.91m? {ed's note - not at all, why would that make any difference?}

don't you think that it will affect his pace? That kind of height doesn't suit a full back, IMO {ed's note - have you seen the height of Usain Bolt? Doesn't seem to affect his pace much does it? I fail to see how being tall is a problem at all.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 13:15:13

"Tomorow will come this year.trust me. n why theres no liverpool fan answer my question?"

It's something to do with Seagulls

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 13:07:53
Tomorow will come this year.trust me. n why theres no liverpool fan answer my question?

 

 

18 Sep 2010 13:07:02

My best team to face united:

Reina
Johnson- -Carragher- -skrtel- -konchesky
- - - - - -Gerrard- -Meireles- - - - - -
Cole- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Jovanovic
- - - - - - -Ngog- -Torres- - - - - - -

Subs: Jones, Agger, Kelly, Lucas, Pacheco, Babel, Maxi

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 12:55:09
If u say wenger juz gve fbregas experience, so its fair 2 me 2 say barca also only gve experience 2 messi coz he already good player in argentina.pedro cme 2 barca when he was 17 from san isidro.so hes not from barca.isnt it how u look ed?btw, look again in my post 4 the roy question

Mr.E {ed's note - Messi joined Barca at the age of 11, so you can say what you like but it would be utter nonsense. I didn't realise that about Pedro, I thought San Isidro was their B team like Madrid have Castilla. I haven't got time to go searching through posts mate, I have lots of sites to run, sorry.}

 

 

18 Sep 2010 12:53:51

Ed don't you think that kelly is too lanky for a full back at 1.91m? {ed's note - not at all, why would that make any difference?}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 12:49:20

Ur right about Wenger building for tomorrow. .he's been doing it for years and is still at the same place. Unfortunately tomorrow never comes!

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 12:35:13
Ed, r u barca fan?btw, fabregas come to us at 16 n its wenger dat make him world class.so do cashley cole.wenger mke him 1 of the greatest leftback in the world.believe me, walcott, wilshere n gibbs will be an important player 4 england in 2014. n yes, we do talk bout 66 team but 4 what?we talk bout them coz we want to compare with our 2010 team. we don't talk bout them to defent our current team.but lvepol do.when they don't know how 2 answer somethg, they said look at their history. n ed, why don't u answer my question bout roy? {ed's note - no I am not a Barca fan, can't stand their arrogance. As for Fabregas being made world class by Wenger, that is utter and complete rubbish, the only thing Wenger gave him was experience, he was always going to be good. What question about Roy anyway? I must have missed it sorry.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:46:43
Im not come here to talk bout history coz no one can change history. yes, lverpol hve great history.so does newcastle, leed, sheffield. but its nothing.when england lost to germany in wc, do we talk about 66 history?do we talk bout how well we do in 66?no.we juz condemn 2010 squad n capello. history is nothing.we can't change yesterday but we can built for tomorrow.n that's what wenger does. he built team dat score 13goal in 4 PL match this season. n he did it without any big buy. n u must agree dat some of the england brightest star in future r in emirates. please look forward mate.not backward. honestly, how long do u think roy need 2 rebuild pool 2 chalenge for PL again?

Mr.E {ed's note - are you for real? All the media ever talk about is '66 whenever there is a WC and when it is a match against Germany they go back even further to mention 2 World Wars. Arsenal have nothing special in their youth ranks whatsoever, you have donkeys like Abou Diaby graduating from it, not the likes of Fabregas, Pedro, Messi, Bojan, Puyol.}

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:46:01

ED the phrase AT SOME POINT is the killer!

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:38:54

"18 Sep 2010 08:34:21


. {ed's note - you still make no sense, Chelsea have a more valuable squad because they have better players, yet they have spent less than Spurs in recent years. Spurs have always suffered because they have always bought big rather than wisely. You seem to think we need to spend big, it makes no sense, there is no need to go out and buy big, we just need to strengthen. Great teams do not necessarily have great players, they have great team players. Dalglish was not as good as Best was as a player, but he won far more because he was a better team player. Buy a team of great players and they will be mid table at best, every great team has a mix of players, you are looking to have a team of greats, it just doesn't work, again I say look at Real Madrid. I would rather we were in the lower leagues than became like Chelsea or City.}

No Ed, it's you that makes no sense. Look, why do you think Chealsea have better players? SIMPLE because when Abramovich came in he spent hundreds of millions on buying them that's why they have not needed to spend big in recent years because they ALREADY have done, and AGAIN you make out i want us to spend unwisely, WHY WOULD I WANT THAT! I believe because of Abramovich and Monsour that football is different now than when Dalglish and Best was playing, now you need two squads of great players to compete in all competitions yes we just need to strengthen, but what do you think this will cost? Let's say we need five top players, in today's market because of the spending power of Man C and Chealsea you could need 100 million minimum but how do we do this if all the people are against someone spending big money? And i'm sorry but if you would rather us be in the lower leagues than see us be like Chealsea, i don't think you would find many Lverpool fans that would agree with you!

{Editor's Note: You are continuing to miss the point. Rafa spent a lot of money - it didn't work.}

Ed i have to disagree with ya on this one as i think whoever your debating with is 100% correct here, personally i think rafa spent very unwisely, football has changed and if you want to compete with the best you have to buy the best, if new owners come in than big money will have to be spent for a season or two, chelsea did it and are now not the big spenders anymore as theres no need. {ed's note - so why are Real Madrid consistently poor yet they buy the best players every year? Because that is not what matters most in football at all. Stability, which comes from not replacing the players every season, is much more important.}

Ed, the point is that you spend big for two seasons just to catch up, and then you settle into the stable pattern as you say, allowing the squad to develop understanding of the tactics and each other, and only bringing in a one or two players each season.
The only way you seem to really differ from these posters is whether we need the initial big spending spree to get us back to level terms with our big rivals.
Yes- big spending in itself is no good, and yes you have to balance introducing new players against the risk of disrupting the understanding between players, and the tactics- but these posters are saying that you have to spend big AND wisely, and then let things gel. New players will take time to settle and understand the tactics etc, and yes it has to be done in a controlled way, but Meireles showed that even in your 15 minutes for a club, you can add greatly to the team's performance if you are good enough. He looked HE'D been in LFC for years and the others were all newcomers, to be honest. And I'd much rather throw a world class winger into the current squad and risk the disruption, for the benefit it could bring. Also, new players can bring new spirit, new ideas and freshness sometimes too. {ed's note - Meireles cost 10m, yet these people are talking about having to spend 100s of millions to compete. We differ completely in that I just want to see a well-run club doing the best it can with the resources at its disposal. If that means mid-table mediocrity or even relegation, I would take that rather than becoming Chelsea or City. I don't understand this win at all costs mentality, do you support the club for what it is or the glory? I think that is the question that needs to be asked here.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:32:15

We are witnessing the slow protracted death of Liverpool FC everything Shanks built has been destroyed 20yrs of poor management esp Rafa have left us on the mortury slab and now we are stuck with Tom Hicks who is intent to crush the life out of the club. The k*t even wants Hicks Jnr back on the board! !


I hate protests that hurt the club but if this happens we gotta leave Anfield empty as a strong message.

ED do you see any hope on the horizen I keep hoping for the best only to see more and more bad news

{Editor's Note: We all know that the club is up for sale - hope comes in the fact that at some point we will have new owners.}

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:15:34

Th:
"Personaly i think the same there is someone waiting to buy it of rbs its common knowledge why buy it for 500 million when you can just buy it for 280 million also it has been said somewhere along the way that we won't be deducted points. .so lets just see what the next 3 weeks bring."

I hope you right, but I find it difficult to believe if RBS take over(not sure take over is the right phrase) we won't be deducted any points, RBS will only claim control of the club if the loans are not paid, which means bankruptcy, which means administration.At that point the PL will have to intervene and deduct points, else all the other clubs will protest strongly (considering what happened to Pompy last year). My worry they may want to make an example of the so called big clubs and deduct the maximum penalty points (30 I think).
I don't mean to bring any doom this early in the weekend. I do hope and believe something will be sorted before end of this month.

Roy

 

 

18 Sep 2010 11:05:31
Yeah. keep talking bout ur history. i admit we r not doing well in past 5season.but this season u will see our true quality. ed, yes we have yank n rusian shareholder n both of them r top 2 for our biggest shareholder.but they never *ape us.they cnt even mke dscion all by themselves. btw, gudluck 4 match again manure. i predict 0-0 tho.

Mr.E

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 10:56:35
I still think RBS could screw you over, past experiance of bankers proves only one thing, how much can we earn in bonuses from this deal, what level of profit will the bank want?10 mill-20-30-40-maybe even 100mill if the debt is only 280mill and the owners asking price is 600mill that's a profit range of 320mill, whoever takes the club off RBS will not be paying 280mill, if the actual value of the club is higher than 600mill, then some greedy f* k banker is gonna get a real tidy bonus, so I think you should forget a new stadium, and just hope and pray for a sereious owner to step in and save you!theres no profit for the new owners for a good few years, so how will you afford to finance buying players, how will you ever get the club back winning ways on s shoe string, player values keep going up, running cost keep going up, where is the new owners profit?that one word keeps popping up PROFIT.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 10:43:33

Hope this is the line up 2moz


Riena

Johnson. Carragher. Agger. Konchescky

Miereles.
Gerrard

Maxi. Babel. Cole

Torres


Jones skertel wilson lucas shelvey pacheco ngog

Lets all get behind roy and the lads.

YNWA

BigBirdBilly Lfc 4 Life.

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 10:26:02

WE should make our feelings known at the Man Utd and Sunderland games. I will be delaying my purchase of the new shirts for myself and my son as I don't want that Yank getting any of my hard earned money.

Whats the problem with these yanks - they're just about as wanted at Anfield as they are in Iraq and Afghanistan

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 09:47:14

Personaly i think the same there is someone waiting to buy it of rbs its common knowledge why buy it for 500 million when you can just buy it for 280 million also it has been said somewhere along the way that we won't be deducted points. .so lets just see what the next 3 weeks bring.

th

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 08:34:21


. {ed's note - you still make no sense, Chelsea have a more valuable squad because they have better players, yet they have spent less than Spurs in recent years. Spurs have always suffered because they have always bought big rather than wisely. You seem to think we need to spend big, it makes no sense, there is no need to go out and buy big, we just need to strengthen. Great teams do not necessarily have great players, they have great team players. Dalglish was not as good as Best was as a player, but he won far more because he was a better team player. Buy a team of great players and they will be mid table at best, every great team has a mix of players, you are looking to have a team of greats, it just doesn't work, again I say look at Real Madrid. I would rather we were in the lower leagues than became like Chelsea or City.}

No Ed, it's you that makes no sense. Look, why do you think Chealsea have better players? SIMPLE because when Abramovich came in he spent hundreds of millions on buying them that's why they have not needed to spend big in recent years because they ALREADY have done, and AGAIN you make out i want us to spend unwisely, WHY WOULD I WANT THAT! I believe because of Abramovich and Monsour that football is different now than when Dalglish and Best was playing, now you need two squads of great players to compete in all competitions yes we just need to strengthen, but what do you think this will cost? Let's say we need five top players, in today's market because of the spending power of Man C and Chealsea you could need 100 million minimum but how do we do this if all the people are against someone spending big money? And i'm sorry but if you would rather us be in the lower leagues than see us be like Chealsea, i don't think you would find many Lverpool fans that would agree with you!

{Editor's Note: You are continuing to miss the point. Rafa spent a lot of money - it didn't work.}

Ed i have to disagree with ya on this one as i think whoever your debating with is 100% correct here, personally i think rafa spent very unwisely, football has changed and if you want to compete with the best you have to buy the best, if new owners come in than big money will have to be spent for a season or two, chelsea did it and are now not the big spenders anymore as theres no need. {ed's note - so why are Real Madrid consistently poor yet they buy the best players every year? Because that is not what matters most in football at all. Stability, which comes from not replacing the players every season, is much more important.}

 

 

18 Sep 2010 08:10:24

Ha . easy man.it juz my sugestion. btw, im the fan of club who trashed braga 6-0 this week. n i thnk my club is the sole established club who alway in top 4 n didn't being raped by yanks or being sugar-daddied by any oil tycon. so why don't u juz support my club?this advice is also applied for manure fan. n again, no offence mate.

YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)

Mr.E
It must have been great watchin Jack and the other english lads then. you havent won owt for 5 years. and as regards champs lg , you've never had a team brave enough to win it. .NO OFFENCE MATE. SMF
Halfway thru the season Arsene will get a fitting again for his bridesmaids dress. . . MR e look up its going over your head. {ed's note - he seems to have forgotten who own most of the Arsenal shares.}

 

 

18 Sep 2010 07:12:09

Sundays line up against Man U
Reina
Johnson- -Carragher- -Agger- -Konchesky
Lucas- -Meireles
Cole- - - - -Gerrard- - - - - - Jovanovic
Torres

Sub-Jones, Skirtel, Kelly, Babel, Poulsen, Ngong

torres can get good passes from Gerrard, cole and Meireles. may be good crosses from Konchesky, Johnson and Jova. we have also players who can score other than torres like cole, Gerrard and Meireles even Jovanovic.
if we come out with this line up i ll feel very positive. if we come out with both lucas and poulsen in the middle, we ll be doomed.
YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 03:46:16

All this talk of takeovers and purchasing is very interesting.
However this doesn't address the problem that a world class team isn't currently performing.
Surely to secure the value of investment required to keep us at our current (or historic) stature is dependant on us keeping our reputation within the game.
We haven't exactly got a poor squad at the moment, but to attract the level of continuing investment we need to be proving that we can compete with everything thrown in front of us.
I feel that once the true potential of the team is realised the investors will be falling over themselves to get a piece of the Liverpool pie.
So, the future of the club is really in the hands of Roy and his merry men.
3-0 against the scum on Sunday and this whole debate will turn proper course.
The investors will need to prove that they are best for the club rather than offering get out of American jail free card.

 

 

18 Sep 2010 03:31:29
Ed if we should not have bought johnson to replace arbeloa which right back should we have replaced hi, with? And who is the player that could only manage a 5 yard square pass? If you were talking about lucas, he cost 8m, not 18 {ed's note - we have Kelly to play right back, no need to buy a replacement for Arbeloa at all. The player who could only pass 5 yards was Mash, surely you noticed how he did that?}

 

 

18 Sep 2010 01:00:04
Another email to T. Hicks. (thicks@hicksholdings.com)
Subject: We Love Tom Hicks
Text: should be ashamed of yourself. . old man but behaving like a child.
Think about people who love this great club, unlike you whose love
affair is with the dollar bill.
Leave our club alone.
Angry fan.
. . Hope the the piece of sh.t reads it.
RHI

 

 

 

 

18 Sep 2010 00:56:29

One thing everyone needs to remember is that banks want to lend money and get paid back their principle and interest but DON'T want to own the asset. The asset is simply used a collateral to the loan. It is the person who the bank is making the deal with and their ability to pay - not the true value of the asset. This was explained to me many, many times by my father who had a 50 year career as a bank manager/ internal auditor with a number of banks.

Using this as a starting point, looking at the Liverpool FC loan from the RBS position is really very simple. If refinancing means they are in a better position to get repaid plus make more money in interest or fees then that's what they will want to do rather than take over LFC. If they don't believe this is the case then they will foreclose the loan.

The last thing any bank wants to do is take over an asset and sell it at a loss. This loss has to be covered from the rest of their operations or take the loss as a financial write down against their shares. Neither option is one that RBS will want at any time and certainly not after the global financial crunch.

Further, if RBS forecloses and own the club they are now responsible for all of the debt, ongoing costs, etc. As they are responsible to their shareholders does anyone think they will simply sell the team for the outstanding loan value? If they did this then where is their profit? Basically the bank is in the business to make money and selling the team for the outstanding loan value makes no financial sense for their shareholders. So the question becomes what is RBS's valuation of Liverpool FC? At the time of foreclosure, from a pure financial standpoint, it has to be equal to the value of the loan/ debt.

One other thing to point out is that the banking charter of most countries prohibits banks from owning assets. This is done to prevent banks from simply foreclosing a loan so they can absorb a desired asset. Thus when banks do foreclose on a an asset - any asset - it is a hot potato for them and something they NEED to get rid of as quickly as possible.

Why no solid offers? Quite simple. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow for less. Basically, until RBS and the present ownership/ board agree to a long term financial package no one will offer to buy the team because they are simply waiting for the bank to screw up. How? Foreclose. Why is this a screw up? As stated earlier the bank does not want the asset and will want to get rid of it as quickly as possible. The result is a lower sale price for those who can wait.

The moral of the story for LFC fans is this. Pressure RBS to refinance long term. Pressure them to keep the board as is. The result - strong financial backing, strong board and owners who still want to sell. This will then force those truly interested to purchase the club to step forward with reasonable offers that will allow Hicks/ Gillett to leave with a profit, the bank to make a profit and the new owners to be in a position to profit from LFC in the future - including the new stadium.

New owners will be the outcome of this exercise. That is a given. The real desire, as has been pointed out by the present board, is to get the right owners and that will only be done with patience and prudence rather than through knee jerk decisions by all the parties involved.