Liverpool Banter Archive October 18 2016

 

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18 Oct 2016 21:42:57
Want to pass on my biggest thanks to the community here.

Xav passed away this morning. He was high functioning autism and my wife has our 2nd baby due jan 13th.

Life works in mysterious and cruel ways.

Thanks again for the support and letting me vent.

Believable31 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 21:46:41
My sincerest condolences go out to you mate. Strength to you and your family for the future.


18 Oct 2016 21:51:11
Speechless.

Life can be so unfair.

Can I say I'm sorry for your loss and wish you all the best for the birth of your next baby.

YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 22:15:46
I know there a terrible things in the world
but I feel that loving parants losing a kid must be one of the worst.

God bless .

( you'd wonder sometimes if there was one when you hear things like that)


18 Oct 2016 23:13:12
My god what does one say at a time like this? Unfortunately I do know what your going through and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Life can be so cruel at times mate. Horrible time for you and your family, easier said then done but keep your head up, YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 23:21:11
Football is just a game. This is life. Your son has gone to a better place where he will no longer be sick nor feel any more pain. You have been rewarded with another baby and I pray he brings you as much joy in your life as a family. May the Lord keep you all. YNWA!


18 Oct 2016 23:27:22
Best wishes and blessings to you and your family.
Stay strong YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 00:05:01
Life can be cruel and unfair sometimes, my best wishes to you and your family at this difficult time.

May God bless you all.


19 Oct 2016 00:14:45
Godbless you and yours. Ynwa.


19 Oct 2016 00:34:42
Completely floored by your loss - your new arrival will occupy you but you'll never forget. Just hope you both felt the love and sense of family here. Condolences and best wishes for the future.
YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 00:39:35
Heartbreaking god bless your family the little one will allways be with you never forget that.


19 Oct 2016 03:09:11
God bless you all for your words and wishes.

I want to thank the eds for making this possible.

Bless. Ynwa.


19 Oct 2016 05:12:37
A parent should never have to bury his/ her child. May the Lord comfort you with the expected little one.


19 Oct 2016 06:52:18
My deepest condolences to you and your wife. One can only guess what you are both going through. My prays and thoughts go out to you at this most difficult time.


19 Oct 2016 08:58:41
Deepest condolences. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏.


19 Oct 2016 09:45:43
Hope you have plenty of support in this difficult time.
YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 09:51:40
Heartfelt sympathy my friend😪.


19 Oct 2016 10:20:13
So sorry for your loss and I hope your future is blessed. YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 10:53:08
Deepest condolences. coys.


19 Oct 2016 11:52:51
hey mate, my deepest condolences to you and your family : (
YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 12:04:17
My words are not adequate to express the sorrow I feel for your loss. I imagine there is no pain more far reaching and deeper than losing a child. My heart and prayers go out to you and your family at this most difficult time.


19 Oct 2016 13:06:29
Nothing I can say will take your pain away so all I can say is everyone in my family is heartbroken for you all. I just hope that with each day passing you get stronger my friend.
Your little man will never ever walk alone.


19 Oct 2016 13:32:03
My deepest, heartfelt condolences to you and your family mate, there is genuinely nothing worse in this world than losing a child, but the wee fella will live on through you and your partner, and I have no doubt that you'll treasure every day you had with him forever.

Congratulations on the upcoming arrival, treasure them doubly and make sure they know all about their big brother that they were unable to meet.

God bless mate, our thoughts and prayers are with you.


19 Oct 2016 14:40:52
Stay strong mate, god bless you and your family .


19 Oct 2016 10:08:46
My deepest sympathy. May God bless and comfort you and your family.


20 Oct 2016 11:16:58
Deepest condolences mate. As a parent I can imagine how hard this is for you. Make the most of the gift of your new child. My heart goes out to you and your family.


18 Oct 2016 21:22:01
Sat watching the match with a man u supporting work mate and at half time it showed an aerial shot of the new stand practically empty. On seeing this he took great delight in telling me it was all corporate and they had gone for there half time feed, I argued otherwise that it's for real fans as well, anybody shed some light on it please. Cheers.

Believable0 Unbelievable2

18 Oct 2016 23:33:36
only middle tier is hospitality, upper and lower tiers for normal supporters.
Your mate doesn't know what he's talking about.


19 Oct 2016 00:03:11
Nice one thanks.


19 Oct 2016 07:49:45
Many people go for a toilet and food n drink break at half time, not just those in hospitality or corporate.


18 Oct 2016 20:44:28
Hello, family this is a sad news I am sharing as I lost a very good friend and die hard Liverpool fan on Sunday, he was eager to watch yesterdays game but couldn't make it through Sunday as he was knocked by a car. RIP Kofi (Afriki), thoughts are with bro.

Believable18 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 21:18:18
Really sorry to hear about your loss and another member. RIP Kofi, our prayers are with you!


18 Oct 2016 23:19:36
Sorry to hear mate.


19 Oct 2016 00:08:20
Very sorry to hear about that pal, may God be with you and Kofi's other friends and family at this difficult time.


19 Oct 2016 00:41:00
Rest in peace red brother.


19 Oct 2016 08:09:19
I would like to thank all for your condolences and kind words, it really mean a lot. Thanks once again and may YNWA.


19 Oct 2016 13:08:53
My deepest condolences on your friend passing.


19 Oct 2016 10:09:46
Sorry for the loss. May God comfort you and the family.


19 Oct 2016 17:50:08
My deepest condolences.


18 Oct 2016 19:58:32
I hope Harry Wilson gets a chance he looks good.

Believable7 Unbelievable0

19 Oct 2016 00:09:54
I've followed him since his days at the academy and him and Ryan Kent were always the stand out players, he is a great dribbler and has a sweet left peg and I hope he gets his chance.


18 Oct 2016 19:55:46
I have to say Iam pleased with the result yesterday. Lots of positive including a clean sheet.

Most importantly the Momentum is still on. A loss against United would have been psychologically damaging.

Also, we created a couple of good chances which in any other game would have won us the match.

Yes we could have been much better but these things happen. What is important is that we are just 2 points off the top, unbeaten in 8 matches now I think.

Lets move forward and WIN against WestBrom now!

Believable13 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 21:47:04
West Brom is not the type of game you want at home after playing united tbh. I expect a very similar scenerio, I just hope we make the gulf in quality count, but this is by no means an easy 3 points. This is a potential bogie team, one that does what Burnley did to us but are better. It will show if we can really overcome 'parked bus' teams or not.


18 Oct 2016 23:24:44
Spot on, Kman. The Baggies will not be lambs for the slaughterhouse. We need to be at our very best from the first whistle, no more of this second half improvements pls.


18 Oct 2016 19:32:48
It's not often I have the time nor the inclination to check out the thoughts of our rivals. but having read some prompts and given the extreme nature of uniteds performance, I nipped over for a gander! Here's what I found.

With very few exceptions, most are happy with the performance and style of play:
As for the style. what happened to the fabled Man utd way? Banter aside, I think most of us reds will accept they have some very good players and a top manager. So for such a talented bunch to take on the mentality of a small team shocked me. It's rubbish that fergie played that way. he may have played conservatively to get a result. but he never parked the bus.
The likes of Burnley have to play that way against the ridiculous budgets of us etc. But united have just spent 150m in one window!
I hear that we are the form team in the league. we are not. If you come up against a West Bromwich team who are the form team will you play that way?
We do take confidence that you think we'd have smashed you if you went toe to toe with us. But really, you were playing Liverpool not Barcelona! At least try to win the game!
I completely agree that it was a good point. I think it was for us too. No arguments there.
The biggest point being that united fans seem to be take great hope from their defensive performance.
Expecting it to be built on one Jose has had time like Klopp.
Well parking the bus is the tactic that requires less skill than any other. Being creative is the greatest. To get from one to the other requires risks. requires your wingers to vacate their full back position. my point is. you cannot build on that performance because it was so extreme. Any development of a more creative style will involve that rigid formation to be weakened by the movement of those in a defensive position into an attacking one. thus resulting in a weaker defensive unit. Almost supporting your view. your not good enough to get a result playing that way!
The only thing that proves is that u are capable of parking the bus if néeded. yippee! Whilst u may have been the 1st team to stop LFC scoring. U were also the 1st not to score.
Whilst u might point to Klopp having more time. I'll point out that Jose has had a pre season and a transfer window of 150m added to one of the most expensively assembled squads in history. Surely you would expect more than admitting that your only way to avoid defeat against Liverpool is to park the bus a la Big Sam?
I fully expect united to be competitive this year. with whom i'm not sure! But stop making excuses. parking the bus for a club of your stature is embarrassing!

Believable5 Unbelievable2

{Ed041's Note - if u had done it a few years ago you would be talking about a title now

18 Oct 2016 19:45:21
Ed41 u a fan of L'pool?


{Ed001's Note - she doesn't like footie, she just comes on to wind up others ;-)

18 Oct 2016 20:19:22
To be honest I try not to comment on Man Utd and their fans because I actually respect their club. Yes, I don't want them to win anything, but they are a great club with a great domestic and European history.
They are rebuilding, I understand why they're pleased with the result, I genuinely thought we'd win last night due to many reasons.
Rather than comment how far Man Utd has fallen, I prefer to look at they way they played as a compliment to LFC and Klopp. It shows we are on the right track and we are ahead of them in terms of development at the moment.

I've got no respect for Jose, he's got no respect for football fans, opponents, referees, authorities, medical staff, ambulance services the list is endless.


18 Oct 2016 20:51:30
Looks like except Ed01, every one are SHE 😂.


{Ed041's Note - If Ed01 was half the man I am he would be twice the man he is now :)

18 Oct 2016 21:01:09
Sorry ed, not sure what exactly you're referring to, but we have many titles to talk about!
But clearly my post was about this performance. Wouldn't want to be accused of living in the past or deflecting attention away by mentioning past successes!


{Ed041's Note - i meant if you had gone a bit more conservative against Chelsea a few years back you would of had a PL title now imo.

18 Oct 2016 21:04:24
Ron, Jose is not my cup of tea and I agree with much of your assessment, but he has been a top manager. The question for me is deciding if his methods are past their best or not. Personally, I think he's just not a good fit for that lot. I agree with your sentiments about them too. so maybe they deserve better than Jose.


18 Oct 2016 21:07:23
Lol ED41, He looks a decent MAN to me, Tall Dark and handsome.


{Ed041's Note - joking aside he is a top guy, one of the best.

18 Oct 2016 21:14:32
To be fair, I heard many lfc fans say the same but I wasn't one of them! We got into that position playing a certain style. who is to say we would have got a better result parking the bus?!
But I take your point and would accept that parking the bus to get a specific result ie Europe 2nd leg etc would be more palatable. But you may be missing mine, United are neither a small team nor playing for a specific result.


18 Oct 2016 21:18:16
Agreed Ron, I have little respect for Jose. Yes, he's won lots, but I can't stand his attitude and playing style. I see he's also blaming us for the boring game Monday. Can you imagine how dull Anfield would be now if we'd have brought in Jose instead of Klopp?


18 Oct 2016 22:15:07
Well said Ron.


18 Oct 2016 23:38:13
Jose is not the only manager that has won lots and been successful everywhere he's been. Carlo Ancelotti is more successful than he is, won leagues in three different countries and now definitely a fourth with Bayern and has more CL trophies than Mou YET he is a very nice and dignified gentleman who is IMO, more respected as a decent, honorable man than for his coaching ability at least, I do. He is the one who cleaned up Jose's mess at Real Madrid and got them his third and their tenth CL title, something Jose failed to do. He's a top manager but a very toxic one whose tactics are becoming more outdated and stale and players don't wanna play that way anymore. Go ask Sergio Ramos and Eden Hazard if you don't believe me.


19 Oct 2016 10:31:33
Jose Mourino is a professional manager who has won champs league and domestic titles wherever he has been.

His philosophy is that each team starts a game with one point each at 0-0.
He defends that point for all their woth and hope to grab a winner or 2 on the counter attack.
We on the otherhand see that its 3 points for a win so let's go win it. It works a lot of the time but sometimes we draw or get beat. But we always have a go.
Jose tactics are negative and he has to defend them to a hostile media.
This has turned him into a bitter twisted negative nasty piece of work who will wind up referees before games etc.

But it was a tactical masterclass all be it a negative one.


19 Oct 2016 13:15:33
Well said Hamilton mate.


19 Oct 2016 13:20:22
I don't buy into the 'we should have taken a conservative approach' for that Chelsea game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were flying, had won 14 (I think) on the bounce and Chelsea, on paper at least would be fielding a weakened team, and it was an Anfield. A slip cost us the title, that's the truth.

BR would have been slaughtered had we adopted a defensive approach, plus in fairness, it probably wouldn't have been executed correctly and we may have lost anyway. He couldn't organise a team defensively and rather stumbled on the 3-5-2 the season later. I have my doubts on whether he could have transitioned that swashbuckling 14-game winning streak team into a defensive sound unit for 1 game, especially against a very good side.


19 Oct 2016 17:55:26
I agree, JH. I said at the time that we were right to go for the win. But we did not lose the PL due to that game. We lost it by not being able to keep clean sheets and due to BR`s incompetence and arrogance in not fixing the defence through out that season as a whole, that cost us the PL. the fact that he tried to run up the score vs CP at home (a stupid tactic which underlines his incompetence) shows how clueless he was. He should have just won the game, we are three point up on City and see what happens because at least, you have the three points BUT he didn`t do that hence, CP had space as we tried to score more goals, to punish us.


18 Oct 2016 16:23:45
I don't claim to be an expert or anything, but after watching that game yesterday, I can't help but painfully reflect on the Chelsea vs. Liverpool game in April 2014 where we needed the disciplined performance like yesterday's against another Mourinho team, and we went attack crazy and lost everything. Sometimes, you just have to settle for a point.
Yes, we could have easily won that game because in the last 60 or so minutes, only one team wanted to play football. But knowing Liverpool, we could have easily lost that game too, just like the smash and grab Rooney did on us last season.
After the dust has settled down, or maybe in May 2018, we can all reflect on last night's and judge for ourselves whether it was a point gained or two points dropped.
For now, let's just soldier on!

Believable8 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 16:58:20
More likely May 2017.


18 Oct 2016 17:15:43
The dust has already cleared for me this morning and I frankly, could not be bothered about the game no the score. I would have liked us to win but we didn`t and that`s life. We got a point and lost next to NO ground on the teams ahead of us. We are 2 points off top spot, three points ahead of a Utd side that even Fergie would be ashamed of and we are averaging 2 points a game. We are right on schedule. The most important game for right now is West Brom and it is aMUST win as one or both Utd and Chelsea will lose points come Sunday. We move on.


18 Oct 2016 18:17:01
Well said Hamilton.


18 Oct 2016 18:54:08
If your averaging 2points per game for the full season more likely than not you will win the prem. And if not you'll definitely get straight Into champs. league group stage without playing in the qualifying rounds.
Sounds good to me
Come on the reds.


{Ed002's Note - Absolute nonesense.}

18 Oct 2016 21:36:49
Not sure it's absolute nonsense Ed002 - it might not win the league, I'll give you that but Arsenal finished second last season with 71 points which is less than 2 points per match.


{Ed002's Note - "If your averaging 2points per game for the full season more likely than not you will win the prem" - complete piffle - rubbish.}

18 Oct 2016 21:59:06
To be fair johnny 71 points would have hardly got you fourth place a few years ago so it's just the quality of that season that dictates that assertion. Averaging two points would almost certainly get you top 4 but definitely not the league.


18 Oct 2016 23:41:41
My point exactly, Kman as I never mentioned that 2 points a game would win us the PL. I meant that it would definitely get us top four.


18 Oct 2016 16:01:30
Hey i'm a long time reader and monthly poster.

Just wanted to share some tragic news. My 7 year old son xavier abruptly went into cardiac arrest sunday due to bleed on the brain. He will be taken off life suport tomorrow.

I know this is grim but he is a massive lfc fan and i syteamed the game for him bedside even tho he is in a coma.

Just want everyone out there to kiss and appreciaye their family while they can. Lfc is a family.

Thank you all.

Believable21 Unbelievable1

{Ed041's Note - my thoughts are with mate,shocking news. Much love

18 Oct 2016 16:30:00
My sincerest condolences.


18 Oct 2016 16:44:03
Oh that's terrible, my sincere condolences to your family.


18 Oct 2016 16:59:20
My heart goes out to you and your family mate that's awful news I am so sorry . YNWA.


{Ed025's Note - its tragic mate and my heart goes out to the whole family..

18 Oct 2016 17:14:17
My heart goes out to you mate.


18 Oct 2016 17:15:43
Devastating news, my sincerest condolences.
You take life and family for granted until it's taken from you.


18 Oct 2016 17:16:35
May the Lord keep you and your family during this most trying of times, my friend. YNWA!


18 Oct 2016 17:17:18
So sorry to hear your news, deepest condolences.


18 Oct 2016 17:42:17
that sad news puts everything in perspective, stay strong, i'm am gutted for you and your family. YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 18:00:29
Shame we didn't get a victory for your boy.

Hopefully the support and goodwill from your fellow fans can give you and your boy a crumb of comfort during these tough times.

Stay strong fella. we are all behind you.


18 Oct 2016 18:01:31
What? I'm so sorry to hear about this. That shouldn't happen to anyone, not to talk of a 7-year old. I don't even know what else to say. I'm so sorry mate. This is the most devastating news. My love to you and your family. You'll never walk alone.


{Ed041's Note - well said.

18 Oct 2016 18:17:08
Kool Runnings to the little red, peace be his journey.


18 Oct 2016 18:22:17
I don't know what to say to you my friend. I've two children myself and if anything were to happen to them I'd be lost. All I can say to you is that everybody on this site is heartbroken for you all. If you ever need us we are all here for you.
You'll Never Walk Alone.


18 Oct 2016 18:44:53
So sorry to hear that mate, absolutely gutted for you. My condolences to you and your family, my thoughts and prayers are with you. YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 19:00:56
God bless mate.

I'm a dad and can only imagine the fright and fear you and your family are going through.

Hopefully this will be a time that the NHS shows how good it can be.

Best of luck.


18 Oct 2016 19:17:03
Now this is something nobody wants to see, absolute terrible news, so sorry for you and your family mate. YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 19:23:59
So sorry to hear your news, sometimes life can be so cruel. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and whilst LFC is a wonderful community, I'd like to think the footballing family on here, no matter what the team, spare a moment for you.

Stay strong my friend thorough this extremely difficult time

Your son will never walk alone x.


18 Oct 2016 19:43:15
God bless x.


18 Oct 2016 19:44:52
Lost for words mate, things like this should not happen to a child. Ynwa x.


18 Oct 2016 20:08:45
Shanks wasn't often wrong but he was on this subject.
Terrible.


18 Oct 2016 20:18:52
I'm so sorry to hear that, I've three children myself and can't begin to imagine the pain you're all going through, thoughts and prayers are with you and your family from all corners of the world. YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 20:54:45
My heart is breaking for you and your family mate, nobody should ever have to go through what you're going through.

We're always here for you if you need to talk/ cry/ shout/ scream, the support of the whole Liverpool FC world is there whenever you need it.

YNWA to you and your family.


18 Oct 2016 21:19:18
Sorry to hear that devastating news pal love from all on the united page, never written these letters before YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 21:24:06
There are no words that ever could be adequate to meet your situation. Heartfelt sympathy to you and your family for your loss.
I hope you find the strength to face the coming days, the grace to be gentle and supportive with each other and in time the courage to find new hope and purpose in what must seem a very cruel and arbitrary world.


18 Oct 2016 15:40:21
Apparently Utd and Jose were so ghappy with the draw that they tried to hire the bus that the Olympic team used in Manchester for a parade of their own.

Believable7 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 17:21:05
LVG played better than that and won at Anfield (although they were poor in those games) yet had he done what Mou did last night, these same Utd fans would be protesting at OT to get him sacked this morning. Just shows how hypocritical they are, really. As for Mou, I don`t blame him. We have seen that his team is unable to play football against footballing teams i. e City, Watford and Feyenoord. The last couple of times he tried to play football vs a Klopp team, he got severely hammered on both occasions 4-1 and 3-1 (once in his own backyard so he was scared crapless of what we would do to that ego of his had he not parked the bus.


18 Oct 2016 17:50:15
exactly HR LVG had a 100% record against us, what the hell has jose got to brag about, also what is he going to do now on sunday vs Chelsea, I found it funny when he claimed they were waiting for a run of favourable fixtures, they have already lost to Watford and drew with stoke, teams are not scared of facing man utd any more and no amount of mindgames is going to change that, he needs to concentrate on getting some sort of form from paul pogba, on another note i'm very pleased for karius in keeping his 1st clean sheet, the more he plays the better he will get.


18 Oct 2016 18:35:49
Pogba alone, cost 9m more than the whole transfer kitty for LFC this season and he looks worse than Carlton Palmer. Kidding asisde, Pogba is a very good player (not worth 89m obviously) but he is badly used at Utd. At Juve, he played on the left of a 4-4-2 diamond under Allegri and played on the left of a 3-5-2 system under Conte and then, Allegri. There is a reason he played on the left because he wasn`t thought of as being good enough in CM as he had Vidal and Pirlo and Marchisio to contend with. This is where he played his best football, IMO. He is not good enough in CM which is why he`s struggling with Utd and the French team. That is Utd`s problem, not ours as they are the ones stuck with him.


18 Oct 2016 13:19:02
In the two weeks leading up to the game I thought we'd be lucky to get a win and most likely get a draw (even though I got caught up in it at the ground last night and put a bet on 6-3 and a Mane hat-trick! )
What I don't understand is Man United's approach. Our defence hadn't kept a clean sheet, Karius is still finding his feet and him breaking his hand has definitely had an effect on his confidence in coming for crosses.
So why did they not try and go for it?
For all this "United dominated the first half" talk, all they had to show for it was a cross from Rashford and two ballooned shots by Ibra and Pogba.
I just don't understand their approach.
I am so so so made up we've got Klopp and that Mourinho is nowhere near us.
Just look at the difference in the way we approach an away game against our rivals.
They won't be able to be so negative at home as United fans (I hope! ) will not stand for it.
Anyway, the big thing to take from last night is a clean sheet, We were in desperate need of one and if we can be as solid as that in future games then we will begin to concede less.
2 points off top!
YNWA!

Believable6 Unbelievable1

18 Oct 2016 15:03:06
We need a top top keeper for the first team squad.

Karius may be 2 years from being the finished product.

Imagine having someone like Buffon behind your back four the difference it would make.


18 Oct 2016 15:58:45
At the moment I feel that Danny Ward is our brightest prospect. If we are going to give it a couple of years i'd sooner see Ward in goal. But for now he is best at Huddersfield on loan. I can't help but feel that Karius needs to show signs of improvement quickly or he could lose his place to Migs.


18 Oct 2016 17:31:24
The impatience with Karius is really doing my head in. people should just stop putting unnecessary pressure on the boy. he knows what is expected of him and he needs to be supported just like DDG was supported by Fergie. He`s only played FOUR measly games yet many want him out for the GK who has played for three years UNCHALLENGED and has proven to be below average at the very best. That makes no sense at all. The Buffon a poster speaks of, started at the age of 16 and if you think he was the finished product then, then you are fooling yourself. His debut was against AC Milan parading a certain George Weah. He was okay but not great. It took 4-5 years before he became the beast he his now and I would hope many would give him at least the 3 years Mingo was given to prove himself and if he`s not the one, we still have Danny Ward who can step in as Mingo IMO, has proven to be a flop there should be NO going back to him.


18 Oct 2016 17:53:49
thankfully klopp thinks different I just don't understand this witch hunt against karius, the lad has barely unpacked his suitcase, reina and dudek had shakey moments and we stuck by them, we should give karius the same courtesy.


18 Oct 2016 18:07:18
Karius WILL be our Buffon.


{Ed041's Note - face palm lol. I agree in giving the lad a chance but come on!

18 Oct 2016 18:38:18
Spot on, KK7. It seems that many have forgotten how awful Mingo has been throughout his LFC career and thankfully, Klopp doesn`t have a short memory and neither do the rest of us who think Karius will come good. but I agree, he`s no Buffon, at least not yet.


18 Oct 2016 18:38:18
Spot on, KK7. It seems that many have forgotten how awful Mingo has been throughout his LFC career and thankfully, Klopp doesn`t have a short memory and neither do the rest of us who think Karius will come good. but I agree, he`s no Buffon, at least not yet.


18 Oct 2016 20:11:44
Give him/ her a break Ed041!
They were only an 'o'out.


18 Oct 2016 22:05:27
Good one! We'll not give up on him just yet. Onwards and upwards!


18 Oct 2016 12:13:12
Okay so I thought I'd come on and say last week I said I thought we'd get battered last night. It seems I overestimated Jose I thought that he'd see our obvious weakness and actually go at it because it matches their strengths. Unfortunately he's a bottler who'd rather play for a draw and hope he gets it than go for a win which I think he'd have got with the slightest bit of effort. Anyway I was clearly way wrong with the actual result and thought I'd come on and say before everyone else does. I still stand by what I said but Jose didn't have the balls to go for it.

Believable1 Unbelievable11

18 Oct 2016 12:20:43
unfortunately?! try not to sound too disapointed jezza!


18 Oct 2016 13:04:50
Slightest bit of effort? They were dead on their feet defending for most the game.


18 Oct 2016 14:06:48
Prefer to be proven right than get a win against man united.

Give your head a wobble.


18 Oct 2016 17:18:35
I was disappointed I watched 90 minutes of dross rather than two teams going at eachother. Obviously I'm happy with the result when I expected a loss.


18 Oct 2016 11:35:26
Regardless of the result there were some interesting points that came out of last nights performance. Firstly I think was quite aparant how much we missed Gini in midfield. Unfortunately for Can, Hendo has got the deep sitting midfielder role sewn up and I think it was very apparent that Can was not mobile enough to pull of his role. He got caught way to many times lacking enough pace and the ability turn a distribute the ball effectively. Although he improved in the second half I'm pretty certain Can will either have to work hard on acceleration and stamina or have to accept he's only a squad player now.

Another one is sturridge. Although he is obviously a fantastic forward with natural finishing abilities I think he's going to struggle to get game time when everyone is fit. Pressing just does not seem to be his game and against top clubs that will effect our overall ability to play our system. I could easily see him being allowed to leave in the summer which is a shame as I rate him. Just don't think he's compatible to klopps system.

Lastly I find it highly satisfying knowing that after spending ridiculous amounts of money on players Man U are now the ones that are happy with a draw. Years gone by have seen Man U ride the tide during the first half and then nick a second half winner. Glad to see we didn't collapse and concede when things weren't going our way. As klopp said in pre match interview, we're not an experienced side but we're becoming experienced. Hopefully we're becoming a team that can ride out the tough games and come away with a result. Onwards and upwards.

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18 Oct 2016 13:00:49
Couldn't agree more.


18 Oct 2016 14:15:33
Agree on most of that but Can was in his first game back after a pretty long time out, he was definitely rusty but obviously a bit behind the rest of the ram both in fitness and understanding. Wini's quick transitions and attack support was certainly missed.


18 Oct 2016 15:46:34
Is wiji out for long?

Its obvious Klopp rates him highly.


18 Oct 2016 16:20:25
Think sturridge will be gone and probably abroad come January he doesn't suit this play and because we're not playing to his strengths he is struggling i also think Ings would of been perfect for that match. One question Steven Gerrard did drag liverpool to some good cup wins but why do the kop have to sing that Gerrard song Dalgliesh has done more and i don't hear songs about him or other legends i'd rather a song naming all our greats. Lot of respect for what he did but its a song that's not going to lift the team and especially when the team we're up against change the lyrics to.


18 Oct 2016 17:02:41
Where once we watched King Kenny play.


18 Oct 2016 17:39:58
Spot on, Nafe. I do think Can was rusty and it was obvious that he needs match sharpness. As for Studge, many have said he doesn`t fit the way Klopp wants his strikers to play and yesterday was evidence of that. The difference was clear when Firmino moved in there and lallana was put on. He will struggle IMO and it will be a matter of time before he is shipped out even tho, I expect that he will get chances to prove many of us wrong. As for Utd and Mou, Fergie must be puking in his mouth and swallowing it at the same time with the tripe his club served up last night. The most expensive team ever assembled literally played like a bottom feeder club just happy to not get smashed. And some of their fans are trying to spin it as a masterclass. If that was a masterclass, what should we label Pep who on the road at OT, put out a clinic on how modern day football should be played against Mou or Klopp who went against the same Moou last season at the Bridge needing a win and not only went for it, he got it by playing fluid football and smashing his team to tiny bits hence, contributing to his sacking? LVG would have been sacked this morning after that disaster but because it`s Mou, the fans and media give him a pass. Pathetic!


18 Oct 2016 17:58:25
@swishcleaner. Yeah totally understand he's been out with an injury and still lacking match fitness. However, his playing style doesn't offer the attributes gini gives and the position he plays. If anything I think it was just a case of injuries forced klopp into playing him there. In most cases I think he's battling it out with hendo for the deep lying midfield position but again think it unlikely he'll oust hendo. I must admit I was one of those that questioned ginis signing however last night showed how much pace we lack in midfield without him.


18 Oct 2016 18:15:05
I agree Can was a bit rusty but I think having no Lallana and Couts playing deeper had a bigger impact.
I was actually happy with Cans forced inclusion as i'd thought we'd need his extra physicality and height against Pogs and elbows. Think he did ok in that respect but he his slow transition in receiving the ball and moving it on cost us some chances of a quick counter. Wini is much more effective in this area.
But Can does bring those forward bursts to the fore. Which did seem to unsettle the opposition a bit and draw them out of position. Sometimes these runs were our main threat, particularly in the 1st half.
All in all I'm glad he's back and i'm certainly looking forward to seeing him regain match sharpness.


18 Oct 2016 19:15:36
Dalglish is our greatest ever player imo.
But he was part of probably the finest British team ever.
In Stevies era unfortunately the club picked wrong owners and some poorer managers.
Gerards loyalty to his boyhood club showed his star quality when he could have had his pick of any club in Europe.
And he was the driving force all through through all the earlier rounds for Istanbul.
He's still a local fan made good who is grateful to the club.
That strikes a huge chord with LFC fans who are the best in the world.


{Ed041's Note - Dalglish was amaing and could play and win title in any era for me mate

19 Oct 2016 10:46:35
Hi ed41.
I agree with you 100% about Dalglish.


But I also think that Gerrard would have been good enough to play in any era.
Tks.


18 Oct 2016 10:36:53
Why do you all now seem happy to lean on the 'negative tactics ' stand point .
First 30 minutes of that game I barely noticed a decent forward pass made by Liverpool.
To be honest I was shocked by how poor you were .
2nd half you played far better and that's where those tatics were employed and they worked well too.
You seem shocked that united are happy with the draw and the way we played but with all due respect United have had to deal with the most appalling negative football played against them at old Trafford, giving parking the bus a new meaning.
At the end of the day it's saying more about Liverpool and how well they have started this season and the style of football they are playing.
That was a better result for United and I'm pretty sure Liverpool would take a point from old Trafford next year.

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18 Oct 2016 11:16:45
Why? Because it was boring to watch and those tactics are a big reason for that even if Liverpool were not very good on the night. At least we only have to watch it once or twice a year.


18 Oct 2016 11:23:36
If you are happy playing 6-3-1 against your biggest rivals then that's fine :D. If I was a MU fan I would be disappointed because you dominated the first 20 and then sat off and played incredibly negatively. We were poor last night and were arguably there for the taking but Mourinho was content to defend his own box for an hour. Point is I know Klopp would never set up how Jose did last night which I am happy about because I hate negative defensive football.


18 Oct 2016 11:43:10
Boring. Boring . Utd 😀👍🏼.


18 Oct 2016 11:52:40
I think more than anything else we were just surprised how negative you were. In the past regardless of league positions and form a Liverpool vs Man U has always been about two passionate teams both desperate to win. I could not imagine a fergie team with a Keane, G nev, Rio and on form young Rooney setting up simply to nullify liverpool. There was always an intention to win where as last night there clearly wasn't. Yes you played your system well and everyone did their job but more than anything it was just disappointing to play a united team that lacked any passion. Almost took away the best thing about a united Liverpool game and turned it into just another standard prem game.


18 Oct 2016 12:14:03
Again every response focused on our style of play and our attitude towards the result.
You played very badly too. And a lot of teams will go to anfiled like old Trafford and play negative football.
When we won 0-1 everyone from here were praising a loss!


18 Oct 2016 12:18:09
In all years of watching liverpool v man u I have never witnessed a man United team set up in such a poor manner. Mourinho is a good manager no doubt but clearly scared of losing lastnight. He has 2 less points than van gaal had at the same stage of the season last year. Even van gaal would of sent a team out to win. Fortunately I don't support united, but If I did I would be furious. I think the biggest things taken from that game is how poor we were first half yet united didn't trouble us, and 2nd half with more spaces we were well on top. Klopp must be pleased knowing that managers are becoming scared of his team.


18 Oct 2016 12:25:04
sugarcoat it however you want mate but that has to be the most gutless performance I've ever seen from Utd in a derby.


18 Oct 2016 12:37:29
Yes many teams will come to anfield and play defensive football in order to grind out a result. However those teams aren't Man U and haven't spent over £200 mil on players. Yes last year people still praised Liverpool despite the result. That was because of the performance, we outplayed you and should have arguably come away faith a result. But more than anything it showed us the type of football we aimed to play and indicated we were progressing towards towards it. Simply put we were optimistic. I don't actually understand what point your trying to make other than justify your performance to yourself. Good luck playing boring football for the next 3 years or so.


18 Oct 2016 12:49:58
Everyone is hailing Jose the "tactician" . In reality it was like playing against a Tony Pulis side.

The only thing from missing last was a cap.

Hilarious.


18 Oct 2016 15:22:45
Even Randy Ryan and the ubercoach Neville found it hard finding positives in the Utd performance.

I loved the way Carra stuck it to them.

Neville has lost his bottle as a pundit by
Not criticising mourinio.


18 Oct 2016 15:48:02
that is not a better result for united, but the only result they are capable of, which is why they did it even though they really wanted 3 points, they know they are not good enough. manu needed the points more than us. those tactics ain't going to get you up the league. morinho is going to need a few transfer windows before those dire tactics come off, then borinho will be back to his boring best. If he doesn't get the right players though, then i see him failing miserably at united.


18 Oct 2016 17:47:06
Lastsanemanalive, the fact that you are spouting the same drivel as your outdated manager whose football belong to the stoneage, shows how far you have fallen and how small you played. I can understand that your coach was scared of having his arse handed to him for a third straight time by Klopp so he played small and got his point. But to say that it was a good performance away from home, doesn`t even pass the laugh test. Simple example, if that was a great performance by Mou, what would you call Klopp`s performance against this same Mou last season when we went to the Bridge needing a win and not only did we come from a goal down and win convincingly, we played great football while doing it as well? or what would you call the clinic Pep put out vs your lot this season at OT in the derby? You`re talking nonsense and the fact that you came with such negative tactics is actually a compliment to your fear of us than the other way around. Fergie must have thrown up while watching that tripe. BTW, we are still ahead of you with 13 points from 15 possible while you are 5 out of 15 possible points. Deal with that fact.


18 Oct 2016 20:07:34
Spot on Nicky D, a very apt comparison. The only thing missing was the mandatory rugby tackle! The niggling fouls were appalling, the seven man defence was utterly entertainment killing and the lack of ambition was astonishing. Just a shame we couldn't get that bit of luck in the last 20 mins. We'll have 'em next time 😃.


18 Oct 2016 09:57:39
It should all be positivity on here, we're 17/ 24 points having already faced arsenal, Chelsea, United, Spurs and Leicester. Our next 8 are WBA, Palace, Watford, Southampton, Sunderland, Bournmouth, West Ham and Middlesboro. I know no games are easy but 2 off the top with those games to come before the Derby we have to be looking good.

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18 Oct 2016 10:15:20
Exactly mate, good post.


18 Oct 2016 11:41:20
It will be looking good, as long as we've finally buried that problem of struggling to break down poor teams.
On the evidence of last night (and Utd are a poor team) we still have problems breaking down the parked bus and it will only encourage others, starting with West Bromwich who will bombard Karius with high balls.


18 Oct 2016 12:20:49
Gotta see the funny side of it. How a team of man United stature have to park the bus against us, to keep from losing haha.


18 Oct 2016 17:49:29
Spot on, lads. Mou was scared of big, bad Klopp beating him again like he did at the Bridge last season. He had to play that way or his ego would not survive another loss to Klopp. We need to win the games coming our way now and they will not be easy so fans should stop being cocky as that will not help the team.


18 Oct 2016 09:55:57
eds what do you think of Mourinho, now, as a manager?

To me he's boring and not got what Utd want, playing football like that is not attractive and I can't understand why utd fans are happy about the way it went. to me he isn't the man for the job, therefore I say, #Mourinhoin! I can't see them even getting top 4, in my opinion he's a has been.

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{Ed001's Note - he is a winner but he does not play good footie.}

18 Oct 2016 10:14:47
Thanks ed1, do you believe he will do good things for them though? I just can't see it mate. Maybe it's me just hoping it goes that way and I'm probably speaking too early anyway.


{Ed001's Note - he is a step forward from the last two, but that is about it.}

18 Oct 2016 10:23:44
Can't see the players putting up with it either.


18 Oct 2016 14:12:26
The Special Once.


18 Oct 2016 16:16:54
Liverpool are not the last wonder of the world! Do you think that's a dark, bitter statement?


18 Oct 2016 17:57:40
He`s still mad that he got snubbed by us for Rafa in 2004. Just kidding. He may be a step forward from the other two but to me, he is at the same time, two steps back and yesterday proved that point. he`s calling himself a genius where as Utd have only won once (vs an LC team that is crumbling before our very eyes) in 5 games while we have won 4 and drawn once in the last 5 games. Who`s the genius again? If the utd fans are happy with employing tacticvs that even fergie would frown at, is a masterstroke then, I guess Tony Pulis can also be addressed as The Special One.


{Ed041's Note - still whinging? I'd be more worried that united came and got a very easy point. Is that 5 pl games without a win now? :)

18 Oct 2016 19:03:33
Who is whinging? I gave facts and took the positives from a game I know we did not play well in overall. I personally couldn`t be bothered about our record vs Utd because frankly, they have a better record vs us overall so nothing learnt on that front. If we make top 4 or win the league and they don`t do one or either of those things, I wouldn`t be bothered about them getting a point in a game their manager had to play stoneage football because he was sccared of having his arse handed to him by Klopp, just like he did last season vs Mou at the Bridge.


{Ed041's Note - no your not whinging at all lol.

18 Oct 2016 19:23:15
Lol well said Hamilton.


18 Oct 2016 09:47:43
A frustrating night all round, but could be an important point.
Its a shame that one of those shots didn't creep in the corner but we can't change that now.
I pay no attention to Mourinho coming out and saying that we were the defensive team. He is just trying to deflect from his own negativity.
It was a desperate game to watch. But I will say one thing. When one of the most expensively assembled teams in world football comes and plays with a fear of our team I can only take it as a compliment. It shows we are now an attacking force to be respected. Will United play with a back 6 against Fenerbace on Thursday? I doubt it!
So not all bad lads. We are in a good position after 8 games gone let's hope we can have a strong run up to Christmas now.

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18 Oct 2016 09:26:43
Looking forward to Tottenham coming to Anfield next Tuesday, a team willing to play football unlike that dross served up by Mourinho last night.

Believable10 Unbelievable0

18 Oct 2016 10:30:32
Yep Spurs are always a good game against us.


18 Oct 2016 10:34:11
Let's concentrate on West Brom first mate but I do agree, I'm looking forward to it as well. West Brom will also give us a good game though, they can't be written off.


18 Oct 2016 18:00:25
You are looking past opponents again, OP. West Brom first and we need to win that game as it is another home game vs a team we haven`t beaten in a small while. Spurs game will take care of itself. I do agree that we are the only team that can give them a good game, No other team can match up with them in the PL. Why do I know this? Poch is yet to beat LFC in his Spurs career and they are yet to have an answer to us in 8 games so, I`m looking forward to the quality of play as well.


18 Oct 2016 08:53:09
well reading the man u pages, I've got to say i'm quite shocked at what they class as a good result, they are all pretty happy with the way mourinho parked the bus, claiming it was a masterclass? This is man utd vs Liverpool were talking about, man u have beaten us twice at anfield before last night and yet they are "happy" with their tactics? yet Liverpool fans feel disappointed at the performance as we could of done better and had it not been for DG would have won the game with two amazing shots, crazy how deluded these man u fans are becoming, if pulis came to anfield and did that he would be slaughtered. mourinho does it and is praised, i'm lost! as an lfc fan i want the rivalry i want all out attack and if we get beat so be it, but after watching that bore fest yesterday and if i was a man u fan i wouldn't be proud i would be very disappointed too especially since they have less points now than they did with moyes and lvg in charge, i guess people are speaking about the performance and not the points tally they have classic mourinho though, but all in all shows how deluded these man u fans are becoming and long may it continue that they pull out crap performances like that as getting a point a game will be lucky to see them top 4!

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18 Oct 2016 09:11:27
They burned that page including the Ed's when Moyes and LVG did the same some 6 months ago. Moreover it's the same man they used to abuse when he managed chelse or doing the same.
That Irony.


18 Oct 2016 09:24:09
totally agree SCM i just can't believe that they are now claiming it was the best they could of hoped for result wise? yet they still claim they need that one victory to kick start their season and that they are still title contenders? i just don't get it, how can you come to anfield not expecting to win so hoped for a draw to then claim if you win one big match it will push you to the title? Would a win over your biggest rivals in their back yard not give you the catalyst for that? the mind boggles it really does.


18 Oct 2016 10:19:34
The fact that they are celebrating a 0-0 borefest shows how low their expectations have dropped these days.


18 Oct 2016 11:41:53
really shows the mentality of mouhrino has already set in to the deluded fans too.


18 Oct 2016 12:51:07
United fans are so fake. LVG and Moyes would of got crucified for playing like that.


18 Oct 2016 13:25:31
It does show how far they have fallen in recent years, but they deserve a bit of credit for last night. They controlled the game in the 1st half (barring the last 10 mins or so) . They looked sharper, more aggressive and more organised than us. We can't throw our toys out the pram, a draw was a fair result. It's not even a bad result - we need to relax a bit, we're in good shape.


18 Oct 2016 15:52:34
Jose is like marmite as a coach you either love it or hate it.
it shows you how negative tactics can ruin a game.
But it was a masterclass in negativity from Utd.
Old Fergie must be delighted.

LOLOLOLOL
YNWA.


18 Oct 2016 18:04:25
A masterclass in watching paint dry more like it. Many were on here saying that they wouldn`t mind Mou being LFC manager. I hope they have changed their minds after that tripe they served up last night. Masterclass? If that was a masterclass, what would we call Pep`s City wiping the floor with Mou and Utd at OT on derby day? What would we call Klopp and LFC wiping the floor with Mou and Chelsea at the Bridge last season? Pathetic and small club mentality has crept into this club and Fergie must be puking in his mouth with what he saw last night.


{Ed041's Note - I don't think most are as angry as u by the looks of it. It's all rather embarrassing now from you.

18 Oct 2016 07:58:56
I feared that the international break would disrupt our momentum And irrespective of Man U tactics we looked a little rusty. It's still a point and we're in good standing after 8 games which included some tough ones.

Positives from yesterday is that we got some good training for Pulis next weekend!

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18 Oct 2016 07:15:44
Are their people having a pop at Karius after last night?
He's a new keeper, new to the club and new to the premier league. Give him a chance to adapt.
Last night was our first premier league clean sheet and against a rival. We should celebrate that fact rather than pick out the keeper's weaknesses. He should use the clean sheet as something to build his confidence on and shouldn't have to re-live his errors. Let's get behind him! Brucie often made mistakes but was one of our best ever keepers. Let's build the lad up and stop knocking him. 😎.

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair, he broke his hand coming out to clear a cross, that is clearly bothering him every time he comes out. That confidence should return over time, if the coaches do their job. I am more worried about the coaching for goalkeepers than I am the keeper right now. Achteberg is a genuinely nice guy, but he is a novice goalkeeping coach still getting all his badges, Liverpool's first team should have the best, not learners.}

18 Oct 2016 09:24:37
Is he still getting his badges? How long has he been at Liverpool now? Seems and age.


{Ed001's Note - I don't know how long, but he got a badge in the summer, I think it was the A badge if I remember correctly.}

18 Oct 2016 10:00:35
Exactly Ron, the kids new, he needs support instead of been judged (already) by so called fans. I say keep playing Karius, he has to adapt, he can't adapt been sat on the bench, I think Klopps doing the right thin playing him and I hope it continues. The lad could potentially be our #1 for years.


18 Oct 2016 13:44:39
No improvement in Mignolet in three years and now Karius looking shaky only points to the coaching they're getting. Football is a ruthless game now and sentiment is in short supply. Someone at the club must have observed the perceived poor coaching of the keepers and the need to move Achteberg on. There must be a top class GK coach out there surely.?


18 Oct 2016 13:58:33
I definitely think we should be talking about Karius, last night may have been our first clean sheet but you can't say it was because of him and if he had had Mignolet written on the back of his shirt people would not be being kind right now. Utd's most dangerous moment came when Karius made a wayward 8-yard pass and Klopp went bezerk when his pass went out of play in the last minute. If you judge purely on this season Migs has played better than Karius.

Klopp has a decision to make in the short term, does he stick with Karius and hope that he gets over these early nerves or does he bring back Migs who we know is not top class but may be a better option right now?


18 Oct 2016 14:54:37
my guaranga.


18 Oct 2016 18:13:33
Muscat, you are wrong. Mingo has had three years unchallenged to make the no.1 spot his own and he has squandered it by being an error prone GK with errors, goals and points that he has cost us reaching in the double digit mark. You are picking and choosing the two things he did wrong instead of taking into account his overall body of work which is is only worth 4 games. How can you judge a player after 4 games? That doesn`t make sense. Now you want Mingo back in after many wanted him gone because he`s been okay for a few games, all after being woeful for three years? Really? Ed is right as he may still be smarting from the injury he sustained when coming out from a cross in preseason but unlike you and others, I am happy to give him time (at least as much time as Mingo had) to prove us wrong or right rather than judge the boy after four measly games. Had Fergie done that, De Gea would have been shipped out long before now. Klopp believes in the kid and he needs to be supported and not binned after 4 games for a keeper who has been hapless through out his LFC career.


18 Oct 2016 23:58:38
hamilton, i suspect you read the first line of my post and flew into a furious rage. I haven't 'binned' him. I've pointed out he hasn't started well and asked the question if bringing migs back for the short term may be advantageous for the team.
P.s. Stop invoking De Gea, the argument that something may happen to one player because it happened to a different one is not logical.


18 Oct 2016 00:07:41
Hi Eds
Wei should have started with origy and firmino. with Sturridge coming off the bench as an impact player int he last 20 minutes

I also think Sturridges neefs to move on as his sstrengths are different to what Klopp requires.

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18 Oct 2016 02:32:14
Study's was a passenger the whole game. Kind of tough playing against Utd with ten men and a ghost.


 
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