Liverpool Banter Archive October 18 2010
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18 Oct 2010 23:45:50
18 Oct 2010 23:39:38
Even as a gooner i nearly wet myself laughing huddlstone and bale lol no chance! first off their was the liverpool slagging off on youtube by bale and as for tom i sometimes walk my dog with him and his trying to get him to arsenal but app he loves the yid way of life and thinks he will stay for years yet
To the guy who wrote this, stick to what you know. . walking your woman
18 Oct 2010 23:44:44
Buy ever benega play a 4-3-3 formation
reina
johnson skrtel agger kelly
meriles gerrard banega
babel torres cole
certainly score more goals press bel if you agree
souness next for manager! !
18 Oct 2010 23:43:39
I know it's not our way , but hodgson needs to go!
He came in oozing with confidence smelling of success after his fulham exploits. But now he looks a broken man. I think he didn't realise how big the Liverpool job is. Internet, radio, tv, supporter groups . . . U name it , were on it. And if things are going bad, ur never gonna hear the end of it.
He seems scared to upset the big boys and change things up a little. He keeps sticking with this formation that really hasn't worked since Alonso left. We can't do simple things like getting the ball to stevey in the final third and I think if you took people like maxi, lucus, poulson, konchecky and Cole off the pitch u wouldn't notice! They are so un effective it's untrue. They spend 90 mins on the pitch and it's as if they wasn't there! Babel and ngog come on here and there and look better then the above mentioned. . .but still they are limited to 5 or 10 mins. . . . .I'm fed up with this boring ass
football! N if he is not willing to change things then leave!
I think you can count the amount of goal scoring chances that we have had all season on one hand and that is just not good enough. When fulham played utd earlier this season (2-2) they had 23 attempts at goal against utd! Were lucky if we get 2 a game. . poor torres.
We need a strong , high profile successful manager who demands respect n who has a clear vision of taking us back to the top.
Omz
18 Oct 2010 23:39:09
What are the chances of someone like Guus Hiddink coming in to to steady the ship, like he did for chelsea.
He would be a great manager to help liverpool get something out of this season, with hodgson free to concentrate on next season or leave.
18 Oct 2010 23:26:35
RE: Did anyone else notice at yesterdays game the back four continually passed the ball to each other
Its a hodgson tactic to waste the clock. I think its pointless playing this way and in the end, it will just hurt lfc. we have to start playing with attacking football with good flow. {ed's note - we used to do that to draw out opponents, but that was when our defenders were capable of passing the ball.}
18 Oct 2010 23:17:49
I think we should start purchasing younger players instead of going for big name players.
Someone i like is Serge Aurier (born 24 December 1992) he is young French footballer of Ivorian descent and currently playing for RC Lens in Ligue 1 france. he is decent rbk and the type of player liverpool should look into getting.
18 Oct 2010 23:12:21
The thing with hodgson is that he is saying all the wrong things. To try and defend our woeful performances after game is just idiotic. If he just openly criticised us and expressed his intention that expects far more then I think he would at least gain more support. That said, he supposedly chooses our tactics. I say supposedly because as far as I can tell rafa must be textin him before each game. I was never under the impression that hodgson was the answer but I was convinced we at least see a different kind of football. It was and is spectacularly obvious that liverpool need to play with width and that torres needs support up top. Yet we continue to play almostly exclusively through the middle. On the rare occasion that we do try to go wide, we either cross aimlessly from about 25yrds shy of byline or try to cut inside. I honestly believe we are the most predictable and easily contained team in the league. Hodgson needs to change this quickly or leave. If we get someone in who's no better then we should replace them too until we find the right man. Its honorable that we liverpool are known for standing by our manager but ther is no room for this in todays game. If he was willing to try new things, take risks, drop players, pick untried youth, anything to show he's at least trying to make a difference id be so much more inclined to support him. But doing the same things game after game which clearly do not work, then defending the performance and stating we've got to 'turn it round' is pathetic. I could do that!
On a side note, to all those writing off torres. Where the hell is your memory!? Yes he's off form but how can he score if we create nothin for him!? Yes he looks pissed off most of the time but so would I be if I had to front this liverpool side knowin I had 90mins of feedin off scraps and watchin the game in the wrong half of the field. You question his loyalty. He stayed didn't he? If we start givin him chances he will finish them. He's the best striker we've had since rush. Losin him would be catastrophic for us because who will want to come who is good enough to replace him? Look how much chelsea miss drogba and they have anelka and kalou. We hav ngog! Ed back me up here, please! Rant over.
Redfish {ed's note - I said yesterday he had no service, I don't know what people expect, our one chance came because he beat two men in the box and had a shot.}
18 Oct 2010 23:07:07
Future Squad:
Reina
Johnson Shawcross Agger Jensen
Kelly Wilson Clark Darby
Carra
Gerrard Jones/ Huddlestone
Henderson/ Adam Meireles
Lucas
Johnson Cole
Kuyt Albrighton
Turan Kranjcar
Torres/ Carroll
Dzeko/ Wickham
Suarez Payet
Ngog
Pacheco
18 Oct 2010 23:05:08
Personally I would be over the moon if Rijkaard came to manage us. He is fairly young at 48 which I think is important because we need a long-term manager. Also he plays beautiful football. Barca is where they are because of Rijkaard. Yes they had the players already but he installed the team mentality there.
Imagine our line-up with Rijkaard in his 4-3-3.
- - - - - - - - - - - Reina- - - - - - - - - - - -
Johnson- - - - - -Skrtel- Agger- - - - - - -Aurelio
- - - - - - - -Gerrard- - -Meireles- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - Cole- - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - -Kuyt/ Babel- - - -Torres- - - - -Babel/ Jova- -
I include Babel because I feel Rijkaard would be able to get the best out of his countrymen who obviously has great talent and pace. I feel that Babel is more of a wide forward than a wide midfielder.
18 Oct 2010 23:03:55
All this Rjikard talk is Rubbish! John Henry doesn't even know enough about football to know that hodgson is doing a bad job! He said he'll listen to us fans, hopefully we will make it clear to him before its too late that enough is enough + Roy is not wanted anymore!
Anyway potential Jan transfer targets. . i would like to see Ashley Young, Darren Bent + Lass Diarra, What does evenryone think?
{Editor's Note: I think Darren Bent would be a really great signing.}
18 Oct 2010 22:59:28
I think if something is going to happen it will be after the 2 games this week. If RH wants to keep his job he will need to send out his strongest side Thursday and again Sunday.
very surprised that after yesterdays poor performance only Joe Cole has said anything not the captain or vice captain.
Here's my team if all fit what do you think Ed
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Aurelio
Johnson Gerrard Meirles Babel
Cole
Torres {ed's note - I would be ok with that, though I would prefer Pacheco left and Amoo right myself.}
18 Oct 2010 22:50:44
Next Game Squad:
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Konchesky/ Darby
Meireles(H)
Gerrard
Johnson Jovanovic(Pacheco)
Cole
Torres
18 Oct 2010 22:48:22
So, Glen Johnson was left out of the squad yesterday because of a scandal to be announced today? Where was it then? Spill the beans mate or don't bother posting rubbish.
18 Oct 2010 22:11:08
You know i have the answer to this question.
Who can make this same side play? Rafa can. this side is one player less 'masc' than the side that was tipped to finish second last year. Do you think that if rafa was here we would be in the same position in the league?. .not in a million years.
Even when souness was manager he had more support and he signed some of the worst players in bull that i have ever seen in a red shirt.
How do you send out a 20mil player on loan for free and pay them 6mil for someone who can't get into their team?
How can you have a team of internationals and make them look terrible?
How can you watch a midfield get overrun every game and watch and scratch your head and look clueless?
How can you get rid of one of the worlds best managers and say him 6 mil to get woy in who can't even win with a box full of scratchcards.
I want a manager with a proven track record who loves the city and has charisma and who the fans and players respect and is a winner through and through.someone who can attract real word class players and who can beat manure, everton, city and chelski.
The man is? Rafa benitez
18 Oct 2010 22:01:09
The main problem with Liverpool is that back to front you are c* p. Reina, Gerrard and Torres are your crown jewels, and they look like they want to play for someone else. At best, your poor to basic average. Wake up, Wise up and take an honest look at the team you support. You were well beaten at home by the relegation favourites; Blackpool. You hung on against West Brom, the same against Sunderland. You have been incredibly lucky to get the 6 points that you have amassed so far. Then to add insult to injury, Everton out played, out thought and had the most comfortable games for many, many a year. Liverpool are in trouble, serious trouble and changing the manager is only going to make things worse.
18 Oct 2010 21:44:01
All these idiots who wanted Rafa out now LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.2 CL finals winning one.fa cup winners, 2nd in prem only losing twice all season, had us ranked no1 in europe, was chased br R.Madrid for 3 years now with current CL winners, beat the Mancs 4-1 at OT, bought Masch, Alonso, Reina and Torres for £55m, was a tactical genius, won the greatest ever european and fa cup finals ever.What the hell did the guy do wrong.Its very well documented what he did wrong, now go back to your PS3!
18 Oct 2010 21:42:33
All these idiots who wanted Rafa out now LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.2 CL finals winning one.fa cup winners, 2nd in prem only losing twice all season, had us ranked no1 in europe, was chased br R.Madrid for 3 years now with current CL winners, beat the Mancs 4-1 at OT, bought Masch, Alonso, Reina and Torres for £55m, was a tactical genius, won the greatest ever european and fa cup finals ever.What the hell did the guy do wrong.
Rafa did nothing wrong just lost the dressing room is all
18 Oct 2010 21:33:08
If I was NESV, and drawing up potential new managers - I would be looking at Slaven Bilic, Michael Laudrup, Frank Rikjaard, or Marcelo Lippi! Lippi is a proven winner at the highest level, Rikjaard plays attractive football - has dealt with big egos and prepared to blood in youngsters (Messi), and Bilic and Laudrup are young managers with new ideas.
18 Oct 2010 21:32:52
Is there any truth in the carra torres scuffle?
18 Oct 2010 21:30:53
All these idiots who wanted Rafa out now LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.2 CL finals winning one.fa cup winners, 2nd in prem only losing twice all season, had us ranked no1 in europe, was chased br R.Madrid for 3 years now with current CL winners, beat the Mancs 4-1 at OT, bought Masch, Alonso, Reina and Torres for £55m, was a tactical genius, won the greatest ever european and fa cup finals ever.What the hell did the guy do wrong.
18 Oct 2010 21:29:06
Ed what is all this about gerrard and carra runnin things?is this your opinion or fact?and did them to have much to do with rafa goin an hodgson coming in?
{Editor's note - I am a different Ed and am only covering for now so do not know what was said earlier}
18 Oct 2010 21:28:07
18 Oct 2010 20:31:00
{ed's note - I really, really, really don't want O'Neill. He doesn't give youth players a real chance, his teams play terrible, unattractive football and I don't like him at all. I have respect for him for leaving the game to take care of his wife and I am sure as a person away from football he is a nice guy. But, as a manager, he is an arrogant, over-excitable, clueless man who spends his entire time asking for more money to buy players which he then doesn't play.}
He came into the hairdresser's where my sister works before he was unveiled at Villa Park, she washed his hair. Apparently he's a light tipper.
. . .surprising he tipped at all given that haircut! ! !
18 Oct 2010 21:26:18
Ok, then can we get behind a sack Roy, get Loew ticket?
18 Oct 2010 21:24:02
Source tells me daglish is there to analyse malbreanque (spelling) not my ideal player like :/ BelfastRed
18 Oct 2010 21:23:14
The Rafa squad were out to get Hodgson from day one, he didn't stand a chance, but he has done himself no favours over the last few games and can't now recover no matter what. The next manager has to be the right choice, no more mistakes.
Clubfirst.com
18 Oct 2010 21:21:52
I think Roy has got to win against blackburn or he's out.
This is what I would do in january assuming we get 25 million budget:
Sell:
Sktel (7 million)
Lucas (7 million)
Babel (8 million)
maxi (4 million)
The greek (1 million)
Total= 52 million
Buy:
Turan (13 million) Am massive fan. I think he's very underrated
Honda (10 million)
Hangeland (8 million)
Llorente (16 million)
Lee Chong Yong (5 million) has always played well every time I've seem him. Good age. 5 million might be a little low
Any thoughs?
Roy needs to leave asap
18 Oct 2010 21:18:59
Did anyone else notice at yesterdays game the back four continually passed the ball to each other and when it eventually ended up with carragher he either lost it or launched it as far away as possible.
I know carragher is a liverpool lad and wears his heart on his sleeve but he is simply useless. I can remember when he first started out in the liverpool team they played him at right back and he was terrible, he had no pace and awfull ball distribution so he was moved to centre half. At centre half he very rarely wins a header either in our box defending or attacking a corner and how many times has he collided with his own defenders some times injuring his own players (skrtel, agger etc). Any fast striker/ winger absolutely toasts him, remember tierry henry amongst others making a fool of him.He simply resorts to fouling them every time. Also i think he's scored more own goals than goals.Carragher is a liability and needs to be axed.
Rant over.
The truth.
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Sorry to say i think you're right mate.
Can see Hangeland coming in January if Roy is still in the job. Can see Agger being sold between now & summer too.
I rate Agger as our best Center Back but Roy clearly does not. When asked in an interview last week about our squad for yesterday Roy said he lost one good player through injury (Kuyt), but has two good ones fit again (Torres & Aurelio). Heard it with my own two ears on LFC TV. So seemingly he rates Aurelio higher than Agger - not good. Can see him bring in Gomez on loan too as Cole from West Ham might be in a relegation scrap like ourselves. Think that'll be it till Summer time when we'll probably do an overhaul of things - playing & coaching staff wise. There is so much dead wood at Anfield / Melwood these days. Hodgson really reminds me of Souness in early 90's. Meant well but is making a falling team worse. In the 90's Souness inherited a squad of winners that were one or two years from the end of their prime but tried to change too much too soon maybe. Think Roy is trying this now too but is bringing in such poor players.
Konchesky & Poulsen as we all know for example are terrible signings. When i heard Poulsen was being signed back in the summer i couldn't for the life of me see why or how he'd fit in. We all know & knew then we needed & still need width, attacking flair & an out & out goal scorer. I'd be happy with Hangeland & Gomez personally but think we need more than this. Width & creativity needs serious addressing imo.
We have none of either in even average quality.
Cheers,
Irish Kev.
18 Oct 2010 21:16:44
I bought the wife a new pair of liverpool fc knickers from the club shop today, , , a sound investment, , , two yanks and they are down!
just a bit of fun in these gloomy times :)
Tipster
18 Oct 2010 21:14:54
There have been a couple of comments on here tonight criticising stevie g's recent performances. This is ridiculous. Compared to last year he looks a different player. Hes taken back to his central midfield role like a duck to water.
Unfortunately, he is the only player who looks like he wants the ball and knows what to do with it. I think meireles could be ok once he settles in but the main problem is our massive lack of wingers. Maxi doesn't cut it and jova is such a mediocre signing. I still think Babbel should get more starts. Good touch, quick and a great shot on him. Unfortunately he only seems to get a chance when we have no other options. How is he supposed to build confidence coming on with 10 minutes to go losing 2 or 3-0 and playing really badly. Too often when he comes on people give him the ball in the corners and then don't get up to support him. then they're surprised that he gets crowded out and loses the ball. The players need to give each other options and WANT the ball.
Everyone's confidence is low so they need to help each other out more.
Agueroinjanuary.
18 Oct 2010 21:14:28
I rekon that hodgeson should sell . .
Torres £30m
aquilani£11m
babel £9m
Lucas £8m
kryagos£2m
agger£8m
skrtl £8m
Aurelio free
poulsen £2m
jovanovic£3m
maxi £5m
ngog £5m
that would free up £90-100m alone which should be spent on
Benzema-£20m
lopez-£15m
diarra-£10m
bridge-£6m
young-£15
cahill£12m
mexes£10m
turan £12m
equaling about £90-100m
Spending hardly anything but massively improving the squad and putting the team back on top what u rekon Ed?
{Editor's note - I doubt Liverpool will be selling 12 players in the next window}
18 Oct 2010 21:08:45
I'm no psychologist but heres my analysis on what each player is feeling.
Riena: Angry with his defence and the fact rafa left. Johnson: Not the player he was at Portsmouth, maybe too big a club for him. Carra: Ego may have got the best of him. Skrtel: Needs a Carra type player to help him through and without Carra bieng Carra. Agger: Playing out of possion. Konchesky: Fulham player at best. Kuyt: Nothing wrong with him as ever. Maxi: Great player, team not wide enough. Gerrard: May have grown out of his boots and thinks he's bigger than Liverpool. Meireles: Blues rubbing off on him. Lucas: Too much critisism for a good player. Poulsen: Waste of a squad number. Jovanovic: Good player not getting played. Babel: Same as Jova. Torres: Angry with Carra and Stevie, head may have been turned. Pacheco: Should be out on loan if roy isn't even going to put him on bench, styfled talent :/
For the next game take out Carra and Gerrard and see Torres' head lift. Replace them with Wilson and Shelvey. Players dying to play and prove themselves after all it can't hurt even if we lose.
18 Oct 2010 21:07:54
I agree with an earlier post we need to get behind the team more than ever right now and i would love for every liverpool fan on this site that's going to at anfield next week and at the napoli match on thursday to be belting the hearts out behind the team we need to get out of this hole and quick and moaning and groaning about the manager is not going to help it BelfastRED
18 Oct 2010 21:04:44
Why does roy insist on playing 1 up front with gerrard just behind torres same tactics as benitez only then we had alonso spraying the passes about and masch doing the dirty work that's how benitez came second that year now those two gone we have lucas who cannot pass 2 yards and poulson who cannot tackle benitez always made changes about 60 minutes regardless which was bad but roy makes changes even later 70 mins + sunday WHY? it was not working when he did make the changes we looked more of a threat he must play 2 up and gerrard central mid he is the only one who can pass a ball and he runs the show FOR GOD SAKE ROY GET IT RIGHT BEFORE ITS TO LATE
18 Oct 2010 21:00:56
Ed I was thinking of 2 more managers that could replace Hodgson;
1.Joachim Low,
2.Bob Bradley.
I know that they don't have the pedigree of managing in the premier league but they are young and both like to play a creative and good football. Just an opinion, what do you think?
{Editor's note - Joachim Low is a brilliant manager}
18 Oct 2010 20:59:31
RE: Roy Hodgson.> HEY! We signed this guy on the count of his European run last year.
You should read up on his record. He has done more than just getting to the final of europa league comp. He has lead countries. So i figure he must of built up a few cotacts and have a couple of aces up his shelve. Give Hodgson a chance in the transfer market and on the pitch.
He has now tested the team, figured out who he can trust and who needs to leave for what-ever-reason. Sometimes people don't click together. He will look to get some good players in within the next two years and remove some big egos likes of gerrard and torres who are killing the club.
Can you actually read your own comments?
Before Liverpool, would Man U, Chelsea, Barca or Real Madrid poach him as a future manager? Course not. But he's ok for Liverpool. Remind me again about Blackburn, Inter of Fulhams league position!
Is this Liverpool's worst run in 57 years?
Are Liverpool going to challenge champions league place with him?
Do the players look like they want to play for him?
I say if Hodgson is your choice then you don't know much about football.
As for Hodgsons record. . Mclaren is making a similar one so I guess on your judgment Mclaren should be Hodgsons successor
18 Oct 2010 20:53:49
Ed is it just me or do liverpool sell alot of good players to soon i.e fowler (god), murphy, riise, pennant and even owen.
now i suppose with fowler, back then liverpool couldnt have a star striker on the bench, and for me owen should have been the 1 to go. and was murphy directly replaced by alonso or was there a gap.
ps. im sure there are many more, and alot before my time.
always a red
18 Oct 2010 20:47:59
Team against Balckburn:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Reina
Kelly- - - - -Carragher- - - -Agger- - - -Aurelio
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Meireles
Johnson- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Babel
- - - - - - - -Gerrard- - - - - - - Cole
Torres
FemaleRed4Life
Quality do you fancy a job, i hear there maybe one coming up pretty soon
18 Oct 2010 20:47:44
I was just thinking that when benitez first started i loved it and i was exited but wit hodgson he dosent look the part and id love to see someone with a good formation some good transfer ideas but also gives the youth a chance
im not sure but i think o'neil or possibly super king kenny or mabey id like to see either carragher player/ manager
18 Oct 2010 20:47:00
Other teams are getting a player to sit on Gerard in Midfield, this isolates Torres two on one with no balls being crossed to him. It's easy fo Any Gray etc to lay into Torres but lets face it, in other teams if a striker in in poor form it's obvious cos he's missing chances, Torres isn't missing chances cos none are created for him. what we're missing is him scoring wonder goals from nothing.
Also, twice in a row yesterday Cole on the left looked up and saw Maxi next to a defender in the box with space in front of them by the penalty spot, he put the ball into that space to attack twice and Maxi didn't move. I know managers are experienced etc. but surely the young players have to be given a chance to provide width and energy if the senior players won't. Nothing like have a realistic chance of losing your place to get you playing, not knowing you'll be back in in a few weeks regardless. {ed's note - the point Andy Gray was making is that Torres had acres of space behind the defence to run into but he was stood still and pointing to the keeper telling Carra to pass the ball back.}
You and your facts.
18 Oct 2010 20:45:33
Alrite guys long time no speak so i no some of use love him but really why oh why is lucas still in the side personally i think the side we finished with should of been the side we started with jovan and babel looked hungry as hell after being left out
poulson, lucas. . . jonjo shelvey is miles ahead of them in talent strength and speed even gerrard praised him last week since when does he ever praise anyone!
also we have decent youngsters coming through wouldn't mind to see young michael ngoo and raheem sterling given a chance they maybe young but if your good enough your old enough and these two look something special
18 Oct 2010 20:37:36
Times change and attitudes change. brought up on the tales of past glorys our generation think that it is our right to be at the top. a fair assumption? probably but then how many of us will admit it. football isn't the good old days anymore where king kenny played and manged and he isn't the answer now. roy is a good manager, an experienced manager so i can't see how its roys fault. imagine any senario in life where you are overwhelmed by problems, how would you approach it? one at a time im guessing. ok so the yanks have gone (for now) the board have given roy a less than convincing endorsment of their support and one of the most leathal partnerships (nando and stevie) hate eachother!. bottom line is roy didn't lose against balckpool etc the players did and they are the ones who need to look at themselves.
frustrated red
18 Oct 2010 20:25:00
Team against Balckburn:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Reina
Kelly- - - - -Carragher- - - -Agger- - - -Aurelio
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Meireles
Johnson- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Babel
- - - - - - - -Gerrard- - - - - - - Cole
Torres
FemaleRed4Life
Team looks good on paper, but no-one in the middle that can tackle. either lucas or poulsen will play every game. Judging our downfalls the last few games, , we have no intensity in the middle and no strength up front. Say what you like about lucas but he's the only one in the squad that can do a job in front of the back four.
As for johnson, he doesn't deserve his place in the first team even at right wing! Swap gerrard out on the right, swap lucas for meireles, and play ngog up top to give torres some support, he can't play on his own up there when he's not in form or fed up! Everyone goes through bad patches in work torres is the same.
18 Oct 2010 20:15:21
I am disapointed, disapointed with the way the team are playing, with how little passion they are showing, im disapointed that RH seems unable to motivate any of them! But im really disapointed that they need to be motivated! This is Liverpool FC that they play for and they should be motivated always!
We are at the bottom of the league, but if they pull some passion from somewhere deep within and ignore the defensive tactics from an inept manager (in terms of a BIG team) then we can turn this around. were only 3 wins from top four place so we don't need to panic but the players need to know this is embarrassing for us and them!
I want to see a team that plays for the badge as well as the wages. . and it has to start against Napoli. . and if the 1st team squad can't do it. then bring on the kids and let them have a go cos we can't get much worse Mr H!
Itsnotrocketscience
18 Oct 2010 20:11:24
We need to play a 4-4-2
Play Babel with Torres upfront. Give him a chance.
Cole Gerrad Merelies Johnson
Konchesky Agger Skertle Carragher
Get Honda Turan and Aguero all want to wear the Red Shirt.
Iceman
18 Oct 2010 20:04:25
Hi there all liverpool fans.I think that roy will be sacked if we don't win the next 2 games.I would like to see either kenny guus hiddink or a attack minded coach to take over. Yesterdays shambles must not happen again and there are some certain players need to hang their heads in shame! here is my 11 players who should be playing for liverpool in this new era. . (4-3-1-2)REINA, KELLY, SHAWCROSS, CARRAGHER, WILSON, SCHWEINSTEIGER, BANEGA, GERRARD, MATA.TORRES AND PACHECO.SUBS. JONES, AGGER, MAVING, MEREILES, AMOO, BABEL AND SUSO its time to give those kids a go
18 Oct 2010 20:02:13
Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club
Jerzy Henryk Dudek
Álvaro Arbeloa Hyppia Steve Warnock John Arne Riise
Javier Mascherano Xabier Alonso
Jermaine Pennant Albert Riera
Micheal Owen Craig Bellamy Peter Crouch
Robbie Keane
Luis Garcia
Mohamed Sissoko
Yossi Benayoun
Danny Murphy
El Hadji Diouf
Djibril Cisse
Carson
Andrea Dossena
Boudewijn Zenden
just trying to see if i could peice together a better liverpool team from all the players that beni sold in his time at liverpool. had bit of a problem at cbk position, but i think that team would be competitive in the league
18 Oct 2010 20:00:27
TIME TO FORGET ABOUT WHERE WE LIE IN THE LEAGUE TABLE @ START BYE BEING THE TWELTH MAN @ GET BEHIND THE GUYS , LETS MAKE ANFIELD THE PLACE IT ONCE WAS THAT STRUCK FEAR INTO THE OPPISITION.WE NEED TO FORGET THE NEGATIVE VIBE 'GUYS LIKE NANDO NEED US NOW AS MUCH AS WE NEED THEM.THE PLAYING STAFF WILL CHANGE ALOT IN THE NEXT 2 WINDOWS WHO GOES & COMES IN WILL MAKE THE SQUAD STRONGER AS MORE FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO BUY HIGHER QUALITY PLAYERS THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED.SO LETS JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM ITS NOT OR JOB TO RUN THE CLUB 'BUT WE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THEM. LFC FOREVER
At a time when the team is obviously struggling it will be a brave manager to play the kids but for me i think playing the likes of spearing/ kelly/ wilson/ shelvey/ amoo and pacheco is less of a gamble than lucas/ poulsen/ rodriguez / kyriagos/ ngog and jovanavic all seem out of depth.
Amen to both posts brothers and one last thing. Stop the 'bring back Alonso' campaign, it ain't gonna happen and nor should it. Xabi started off great till fat Frank broke his ankle then had three indifferent seasons. It was only because Benitez let it be known he wanted Barry that he pulled his finger out for the last season and showed what he was capable of on a regular basis after throwing his toys out of his pram. Torres is beginning to show the same tendencies, is it a Spanish trait I wonder?
The Purple Helmet
18 Oct 2010 19:45:48
Hey ed wana know if you feel the same.
The young lads arent getting a chance, spearing, wilson, pacheco, amoo etc and theyr the ones that want to play football, want to be top players and would love to play alongside gerrard, carra reina torres etc.
And all this talk of we have no strikers is rubbish,
kuyt scored 83 goals in 122 games for feyenoord as a striker (weaker league i know, but hes a poacher)
Milan Jovanovic scored 69 in 153 games for Standard
N'gog already got 7 in 11 (not class, but still)
Torres 91 in 249 for madrid and 73 in 125 for us
Pacheco who i think is class.
We need wingers, proper wingers, with pace who will run at players and scare the s* t outv them, like young amoo.
just a thought, much love {ed's note - couldn't agree more, we need more pace and more width desperately. The most frustrating thing is that we have so much of it sat in the stiffs being wasted.}
18 Oct 2010 19:42:04
I have seen Aquilani playing well back in Italy. Why did we loan out this guy and waste money signing a player who couldn't get in the side Aqua is now walking into at Juventus? Christian Poulsen has been terrible so far and from what I have seen, it doesn't look as if he is going to get better. Surely the best option would be to recall him from his loan in January now he has plenty of first team action and a couple of goals under his belt and get rid of the deadwood bringing our team down.
We desperately need wingers and strikers. The defence is solid enough with the players we have. Haven't really seen enough of Konchesky to pass judgement but I think he could do a decent job. By recalling Aqua we could play Gerrard, Aqua and Meireles in the centre, and only use Lucas or Poulsen in desperate times.
We need to be giving Pacheco a chance now, and Suso from the Reserves should be given a shot at the big time. Anyone who watches the Reserves would know this guy oozes skill, pace and creativity in abundance. His technical ability is top class and I think at a time where we are looking more like a defensive team, lets get some creative players out there. I mean, Wenger is playing Wilshere who is the same age as Suso and if anyone saw Arsenal on the weekend would have seen this kid showing glimpses of his potential to be a top player. Time to blood the youngsters.
I don't know if it is the right time to sack Hodgson. I am concerned he isn't the man to take us forward, I think a majority of us felt that when he was appointed but sacking a manager and hiring a new one doesn't necessarily make a bad situation better, it could be equally as bad. If he were to go, then I would want the board to do all they can to convince Hiddink to join. He steadied the ship immediately at Chelsea during his short spell there and Chelsea played excellently. And those who have mentioned Pep Guardiola, that would be awesome but I think we would be dreaming!
Lets hope NESV give whoever the manager is in January a very generous amount of cash to sign players to strengthen and breathe fire into the current squad. As I have said, I think we need wingers. We have no width or creativity down the flanks. Babel, Maxi, Kuyt, Cole, Jovanovic all cut inside too much and make us play narrow which is harder to break down teams. We need someone to 'hug' the touchline to provide that width.
Ashley Young, Juan Manuel Mata, Arda Turan are all fine examples of the calibre of player we need for the wings.
As for goals, we are currently relying on a fantastic striker in Torres who at the moment, looks very tired, lethargic, and looks as if he has lost interest whether that's in playing football or just for Liverpool. And when his confidence is this low, we need someone else to step up to the mark and provide us with the goals, and who do we have, David Ngog! All of the top teams have at least 3 top quality strikers at their disposal and we need to be the same. Wouldnt mind seeing Jermaine Defoe, Darren Bent, Oscar Cardozo, Edison Caveni, Luis Suarez but I doubt they will happen! I'd take Robbie Keane back on loan even! Done a decent job when he played, just needed time which he wasnt given and he's in the same predicament now. I'd take the risk and give it a punt!
In the mean time, I think we need to get fully behind the lads, including Roy, lift the atmosphere at Anfield, now the protests against the ownerhip can stop lets get singing those songs and show the lads we are proud of them and hopefully, they'll make us proud by putting in performances both individually and more importantly as a team and turn the horrendous results into good performances and wins.
Liverpool Red Sox {ed's note - Wilshere is 16? I don't think so!}
18 Oct 2010 19:36:15
18 Oct 2010 19:17:07
To the poster with the long message who lives in boston.
Shankly did amazingly to remove all the deadwood in his time but this is not possible in todays premier league unfortunately for obvious reasons.
lahm wouldn't come to liverpool although he is the perfect choice.
my transfers would go like this and you'l see i agree with you somehow on a few of those, ive always wished for this to happen buh i guess itl remain to be wishful thinking and the players we end up signing will be nothing of those we have dreamed for.
sell: (realistic prices we can get)-Million pounds
Krygiakos-1.5
Skrtel-5
Aurelio-1.5(shame, injury prone)
Konchesky-3
Maxi-2
Poulsen-2.5
Lucas-8
Kuyt-9
total: 32.5million
Buy:
Gary cahill-12
Taiwo/ Aly Cissokho-dont know the range.
Banega/ Defour-12
Honda-14
Darren Bent-14
total: approx-48million
net spent: 15.5 million (which comes under the budget NESV are rumoured to provide), even if they are willing to provide more, i wouldn't think its heavily needed.
I believe babel still has a future at liverpool on the left and that is why i havent put him on the list.
Bent in EXACTLY what we need to partner torres. don't know why our manager couldnt see that. (N). he pitches in so many goals from sunderland from crosses and solo efforts, he is also a natural poacher of the ball.
Also, to add to that, i don't think all those players will leave in january. And we won't be getting a left back or centre back until january either but the rest of the buys should happen as that is whats badly needed.
final squad:(summer)
reina
johnson carra agger taiwo/ aly (aurelio)
honda gerrard banega babel
torres bent
bench: jones, ayala (recalled, mavinga, meireles, shelvey, jova, pacheco, ngog
HMM, now that is a squad.!
RedSox69
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I'm affraid Sunderland would expect close to a ridiculous £25 - £30m for Bent.
18 Oct 2010 19:26:20
Why would any world class player in their right mind want to sign for liverpool at the moment, we are s* t guys face it the days of big name signings are gone for now. after this season we aint even guna have europa league football to offer never mind cl. just hope the new owners act now and get rid of roy, just can not see us improving while that muppet is picking the team.
18 Oct 2010 19:21:26
Gracias,
Lombardi Cazorla
Gracias to you my friend. No point hanging around with a new manager just because we 'don't sack managers' It didn't stop other great teams from doing it in the past, and as one swallow does not a summer make, one timely sacked manager does not mean we are installing a revolving door.
18 Oct 2010 19:21:00
TIME TO FORGET ABOUT WHERE WE LIE IN THE LEAGUE TABLE @ START BYE BEING THE TWELTH MAN @ GET BEHIND THE GUYS , LETS MAKE ANFIELD THE PLACE IT ONCE WAS THAT STRUCK FEAR INTO THE OPPISITION.WE NEED TO FORGET THE NEGATIVE VIBE 'GUYS LIKE NANDO NEED US NOW AS MUCH AS WE NEED THEM.THE PLAYING STAFF WILL CHANGE ALOT IN THE NEXT 2 WINDOWS WHO GOES & COMES IN WILL MAKE THE SQUAD STRONGER AS MORE FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO BUY HIGHER QUALITY PLAYERS THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED.SO LETS JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM ITS NOT OR JOB TO RUN THE CLUB 'BUT WE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THEM. LFC FOREVER
well said could not agree more lets sing our hearts out from whistle to whistle we may not support woy but we sopport lfc ynwa show them who we really are
18 Oct 2010 19:17:07
To the poster with the long message who lives in boston.
Shankly did amazingly to remove all the deadwood in his time but this is not possible in todays premier league unfortunately for obvious reasons.
lahm wouldn't come to liverpool although he is the perfect choice.
my transfers would go like this and you'l see i agree with you somehow on a few of those, ive always wished for this to happen buh i guess itl remain to be wishful thinking and the players we end up signing will be nothing of those we have dreamed for.
sell: (realistic prices we can get)-Million pounds
Krygiakos-1.5
Skrtel-5
Aurelio-1.5(shame, injury prone)
Konchesky-3
Maxi-2
Poulsen-2.5
Lucas-8
Kuyt-9
total: 32.5million
Buy:
Gary cahill-12
Taiwo/ Aly Cissokho-dont know the range.
Banega/ Defour-12
Honda-14
Darren Bent-14
total: approx-48million
net spent: 15.5 million (which comes under the budget NESV are rumoured to provide), even if they are willing to provide more, i wouldn't think its heavily needed.
I believe babel still has a future at liverpool on the left and that is why i havent put him on the list.
Bent in EXACTLY what we need to partner torres. don't know why our manager couldnt see that. (N). he pitches in so many goals from sunderland from crosses and solo efforts, he is also a natural poacher of the ball.
Also, to add to that, i don't think all those players will leave in january. And we won't be getting a left back or centre back until january either but the rest of the buys should happen as that is whats badly needed.
final squad:(summer)
reina
johnson carra agger taiwo/ aly (aurelio)
honda gerrard banega babel
torres bent
bench: jones, ayala (recalled, mavinga, meireles, shelvey, jova, pacheco, ngog
HMM, now that is a squad. !
RedSox69
18 Oct 2010 19:15:29
17 Oct 2010 19:41:58
"Dalglish? 2 words:
David
Speedie
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Don't forget 2 more words - JIMMY CARTER! !"
Or ten more. .
John Aldridge
John Barnes
Peter Beardsley
Steve McMahon
Ray Houghton
Every manager has bought duds here and there. But I think Kenny got more right than he got wrong!
Dirks Engine Room {ed's note - there is a few differences between the 5 you mentioned and the other 2. The 5 were Bob Paisley recommendations, the other 2 weren't.}
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My Jimmy carter post was not a criticsm of Kenny Dalglish. He is a legend and my boyhood hero. I don't think Speedie was that bad. He was quite useful in the final few games of the 90/ 91 season, but Jimmy Carter must be up their with Barry Venison as possibly the worst player of the Dalglish management era.
18 Oct 2010 19:14:19
Below ive named two Liverpool teams one which beat Real Madrid 4, 0 and the other that lost to Everton 0, 2.
On paper they don't look that different but the way they played are worlds apart.
The only reasons I can see is that the team is not being coached correctly. Against Everton we started so slow with every pass either going backwards or sideways. Not once did someone pick up the ball, turn and run at Everton, every ball is played into someone and then passed straight back.
If you remember the Madrid game we were electric probably the best i have seen the Reds play for years. The tempo was so high and the attacking so quick that no team would cope.
I expected this type of performance on Sunday, but we had no fire in our belly, to me this has to be down to the coaching and not the players.
Team Against Madrid
Reina, Arbeloa, Skrtel, Carragher, Aurelio, Alonso, Mascherano, Kuyt, Gerrard (c), Babel, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Hyypia, Lucas, Ngog, Spearing, Kelly
Numpties against Everton
Reina, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Skrtel, Konchesky; Maxi, Meireles, Lucas, Gerrard, Cole; Torres.
Subs: Jones, Aurelio, Jovanovic, Babel, Ngog, Spearing, Kelly.
18 Oct 2010 19:12:53
At a time when the team is obviously struggling it will be a brave manager to play the kids but for me i think playing the likes of spearing/ kelly/ wilson/ shelvey/ amoo and pacheco is less of a gamble than lucas/ poulsen/ rodriguez / kyriagos/ ngog and jovanavic all seem out of depth
18 Oct 2010 19:12:41
Rooney and torres together. . .that would be the most righteous thing that has ever happened in the history of awesomeness. . . Duckula {ed's note - righteous? After his history of hatred towards Liverpool and its fans? Have we really sunk that low?}
18 Oct 2010 19:11:48
HEY!
We signed this guy on the count of his European run last year.
He diddnt win, yet you fans still said he is good enough for Liverpool.
Fulhams league position was 12th last year, but they did get to a European Final.
Liverpool are still in a European tournament ( who knows, may even get to the final).
Liverpool are near the bottom of the league ( who knows, still may finish 12th). So why the complaining?
Benitez- you can't use the excuse of it's Benitezs team or squad or players blah blah blah. Under Benitez Liverpool were organised, threat, thorn to big clubs and Everton and we had Mascherano. Under Hodgson, we look unorganised, no confidence, no team spirit, no interest and also Hodgson's buys have been poor.
Future. Admit you was wrong, the board admit they was wrong and replace the manager before it's to late.
I'm pretty sure Torres won't be here next season especially with Hodgson in charge and no Champions league.
Foriegn managers need years to adapt unless they have inherited a Chelsea team or Man City cash.
O'neil isn't much better than Hodgson.
Bring back Dalglish and create a traditional Bootroom for future managers and/ or coaches.
18 Oct 2010 19:07:27
Get priorities straight before u hope and dream about things
1. New mangaer, Hodgsons way too nice and not good enough for a club like ours
2. Think about non- big name signings in the january window. Some of the unheard of names are so much better than people like kaka.
3. Summer- Expect a couple more signings but big names around this time. Young players or experienced next season with some quality players our teaam will b beast if we hav around 100-200 milion budget! ;)
18 Oct 2010 19:02:57
Lucas Poulson and Maxi are WANK
Babel Kuyt and Johson are WANK
the Greek and the Serb are WANK
Hodgson and fat Sammy are WANK
Skirtle Spearing + Konchesky have
faces my dog would not LICK
18 Oct 2010 19:01:23
18 Oct 2010 18:50:57
Ha ha! Roy Hodgson caught for speeding today. Apparently he'll do anything to get three points!
was that in reverse as he does not have a clue on how to go forward
18 Oct 2010 18:59:13
Play 4–4–2 with Gerrard and Cole sitting in the middle of the park with Johnson and Babel on the wings (this will add some much needed pace) and Kuyt partnering Torres up front.
- - - - Torres- - - - Kuyt
- - Babel- - - –Cole- - - Johnson
- - - - - - - –Gerrard
Konchesky- –Agger- - Carra- - Kelly
i agree with the 4.4.2. but gerrard and cole in the middle wise up mate and babel out wide you must have hit your head
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . REINA. . . . . . . .
. . .KELLY. . .CARRAGHER. .AGGER. KONCHESKY.
. . .JOHNSON. GERRARD. . MEIRELES. .COLE. .
. . . . . . . . . .TORRES. . . KUYT. . . . . . . . . .
18 Oct 2010 18:57:44
Roy has a very poor squad.the only thing he can do is give youngsters a go but i think he is afraid to do it.
best we get rid of him and get a manager who attracts quality hard working players.
18 Oct 2010 18:50:57
Ha ha! Roy Hodgson caught for speeding today. Apparently he'll do anything to get three points!
18 Oct 2010 18:47:00
Roy for the sake of your job and for Liverpool FC please drop the 4–2–3–1 formation. Torres is way off form and needs support, he can't do it on his own! !
And Lucas and Maxi just isn't good enough for the Prem. Please Roy open your eyes. . it's not rocket science!
Play 4–4–2 with Gerrard and Cole sitting in the middle of the park with Johnson and Babel on the wings (this will add some much needed pace) and Kuyt partnering Torres up front.
- - - - Torres- - - - Kuyt
- - Babel- - - –Cole- - - Johnson
- - - - - - - –Gerrard
Konchesky- –Agger- - Carra- - Kelly
18 Oct 2010 18:41:29
I honestly can't see Roy getting us out of the s* t were in, I was delighted when we finally got rid of Rafa but I'm afraid Roy was the wrong choice to replace him. I do feel sorry for Roy as he was left with a pretty poor squad, but I feel we need someone that will pick the likes of Amoo, Ecclleston, shelvy, Pacheco and stop wasting time with Lucas, Babbel, Konchesky, Poulsen. Also a manager that will bring in some real players ie, Ageruo, Mata, Shawcross, Honda. what do you think Ed?
Aroc {ed's note - I do agree that it is time to play the kids, there is nothing to be gained playing the older heads that have let us down time and time again. It is time to take a chance on some new blood.}
18 Oct 2010 18:24:24
In india Its 10.50 in the night. Am going to sleep early tonight. But before that I felt like saying this.
This site is so amazing. I ve become totally addicted to it (in a good way).
Some amazing views from the eds, mayne, sharkeys. The rest as well. We can see such ardent supporters that the club has got. Amazing really.
But above all kudos to ALL THE EDS. I spent a few minutes what it takes to run this site. And am amazed. Its a tough job but the edS are doing with great passion, tirelessly. May be some of our players need to learn this from these guys. Passion and commitment in what ever you do. We lacked it yesterday.
Once again edS. Well done to you guys. :-) Great job. Keep it going. Keep updating this site with new features.
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life! {ed's note - thank you mate, we are always looking for new things to add when time permits.}
18 Oct 2010 18:18:41
My thesis for transforming the squad:
1. Purge
When Bill Shankly became Liverpool manager, he released an astonishing twenty-four players from the team because he did not think they were worthy of playing for Liverpool. This current team is stuffed with players who are either too jaded, too old, or simply not good enough for a club of our stature. All the noise coming out of NESV suggests that any money made from player sales will be put back into the squad, so getting rid of the deadwood is a good way of making money. We can also reduce our wage bill substantially - at the moment there are 37 players in the senior squad, plus a number out on loan. The squad needs to be streamlined drastically. Therefore, I would sell or release:
1.5m Konchesky (simply not good enough)
3m Jovanovic (doesn't want to be here, not sure he's good enough anyway)
1.5 Kyrgiakos (has spirit, but not good enough)
3m Maxi (not a bad player, but doesn't want to be here)
7m Babel (he's had his chance, let's cut our losses)
7m Lucas (not equipped for the EPL)
8m Ngog (hasn't developed at a fast enough rate to justify keeping him as a back-up to Torres)
1.5 Spearing (not good enough)
2.5 Poulsen (worst LFC player I've ever seen)
5m Skrtel (not good enough)
12m Aquilani (a good player, but not equipped for the EPL)
1m Degen (not good enough)
1m El Zhar (not good enough)
r Itandje (not good enough)
r Darby (has missed his chance)
r Insua (Mavinga is a better back-up)
Also, I think it's necessary to send several players back down to the reserves. They're part of the squad, but I think to create a strong unit in the first team, the main squad needs to be smaller. These players may have a great future at LFC, but not just yet. Maybe they can prove me wrong!
Therefore, I would send back down:
Irwin
Hansen
Bruna
Gulacsi
Ince
Wisdom
Result: 54m
2. Purchase
As NESV will tell you after investing heavily in the Red Sox, you need to spend money to make money. At the moment, nobody knows precisely how much money of their own they'll be stumping up, but it seems to me that decisions will be made on a transfer-by-transfer basis, rather than the manager simply being handed a kitty. I think if we buy quality, there shouldn't be a problem with convincing them to part with their cash. I will assess each position in turn.
Goalkeeper: we're sorted, if we can hold onto Reina. He's the best keeper in the world, and the next LFC captain.
Defense: Glen Johnson has had a terrible start to the season, but we know how good he can be when he's firing. Getting rid of an underperforming player is incredibly wasteful - he should be encouraged, and should be helped with his lapses of concentration in defence rather than pilloried. Stick with him.
Conversely, left back is a disaster zone at the moment. Retain Aurelio (as he also offers a LM option) and promote Mavinga to the first-team, as he's consistently impressed in training and had an excellent U19 world cup. We need to buy quality - step forward Philipp Lahm. This guy is one of the best, right up there with Patrice Evra and Ashley Cole, the sorts of guys we want to be competing with.
In central defense, with Wilson and Ayala looking like superb prospects, I'm less concerned. Still, Carragher, for all his great service, is a fading force, and we need a quality - and I think English - replacement. Gary Cahill would be my first choice, a man destined to be at the heart of England's defense for years to come, but Ryan Shawcross and Scott Dann would also be viable alternatives. A strong presence is needed in the centre of our defense for the young guns to gradually work their way in, and Daniel Agger, for all his other good qualities, isn't the rock that Carragher was and Cahill could be.
Midfield: How did we go from having the best engine room in Europe to the mediocre mess of today in less than two years? Personally, I favour an aggressive 4-4-2 (at home at least), with Gerrard and Meireles in central midfield and Torres with a proper target man up front, but this raises two questions. First, I'm not entirely sure Meireles is the man to compliment Gerrard (though he deserves a chance). Secondly, Gerrard is getting on, and we need to plan for the future. The future is of course Jonjo Shelvey (the next Gerrard) and, I believe, Steven Defour of Standard Liege (the next Paul Scholes). Both should start on our bench initially, but I think in several years our engine room could be Shelvey and Defour - imagine Gerrard and Scholes playing together at their respective peaks! Alternatives to Defour which I think would be acceptable are Javi Martinez and Ever Banega.
We also need a decent winger, and I think Arda Turan is the answer. People have suggested he isn't strong enough for the EPL, but he is still young enough to adapt his style of play and bulk up, and the Turkish League is rougher than some. I also think we can afford at least one "luxury" player like this, as long as the rest of the team compensate in the physicality stakes. If not Turan, then Ashley Young and Kensuke Honda also look like good bets. People who think we're going to sign Adam Johnson in a million years need their heads examining.
Attack: Torres needs a target man up front with him, a Dalglish to his Rush. After much consideration, I fancy Edin Dzeko. This guy is big, strong, and consistently scores lots of goals (as well as lots of assists to his strike partner Grafite at Wolfsburg), unlike some of the other names mentioned here as possibilites - Kevin Davies, Carlton Cole, Mario Gomez, Fernando Llorente. The other possibility is Sergio Aguero, but I think Dzeko's style and physique will compliment Torres better, and also make him more suited to the EPL (Aguero is actually quite a small guy, whereas Dzeko is 6 3").
I also think, seeing as he'll be available on a free in the summer, and that we'll need a replacement for Ngog (and someone to help train Pachecho, the player who most resembles him), that we should get Michael Owen. I know this is controversial, and I know he betrayed us, but it's time to let the prodigal son come home. He's still a great impact player, and I think the pride and gratitude he'd have from being allowed to wear a Liverpool shirt again would give him the impetus to put a fitting finale on his career.
Conclusion:
Lahm (18m)
Cahill (15m)
Defour (12m)
Turan (12m)
Dzeko (30m)
Owen (free)
Total: 87m
Subtract 54m made from player sales
Net Total: 33m
(This is how much NESV need to come up with themselves)
So the squad would be:
1. Jones
2. Johnson
3. Cahill
4. Meireles
5. Agger
6. Aurelio
7. Dzeko
8. Gerrard
9. Torres
10. Cole
11. Turan
12. Pacheco
13. Defour
16. Lahm
18. Kuyt
20. Owen
22. Wilson
23. Carragher
25. Reina
27. Mavinga
33. Shelvey
34. Kelly
39. Eccleston
40. Ayala
46. Amoo
49. Robinson
3. Manager
In the event that this run of results continues, and Roy Hodgson gets fired (personally, I believe he should be allowed until Christmas - it's not the Liverpool way to fire managers willy-nilly), I propose one of the following set-ups. Liverpool operated best with the boot-room culture, successive managers being carefully groomed and marshalled through the ranks of the club. Let's set this up again. How about, whoever the next manager is, they appoint Sean O'Driscoll from Doncaster Rovers as their assistant (and next in line) and Jamie Carragher as the third in command (so he then takes over from O'Driscoll many years down the line). This immediately creates a good heirarchy, stability, and a line of succession. But who should this manager be?
I'm very surprised at the amount of invective directed at Martin O'Neill on this website (could the editor who consistently disparages him possibly explain his position. ?). O'Neill has consistently achieved with his sides, and if anyone watched the BBC's coverage of the 2006 World Cup, they would have noticed that he is also an extremely intelligent bloke. He's also, and I think with Liverpool this should count for a lot, a genuinely good guy. Don't be so swift to rule him out.
My more general thought would be that we should get a manager who understands the EPL. This means no Deschamps, no Rijkaard, no Pellegrini. We need a manager who will hit the ground running and won't need time to adapt himself. Obviously Mourinho would be good - the man succeeds spectacularly wherever he goes - but I don't like him personally (his teams consistently dive and try to influence the referee) and it's not going to happen for several years at least. Unfortunately, although I think he's a superb manager, I would rule out van Gaal as well.
Therefore my top two choices would be King Kenny and Guus Hiddink. They come with advantages and disadvantages. Hiddink, on the one hand, is one of the best three managers in the world, and is successful wherever he goes, but he never sticks around for very long - not ideal when one is attempting to forge a dynasty! Dalglish on the other hand is Liverpool through and through, and was a brilliant manager in his time. The lack of recent experience however, makes him an extremely risky appointment.
Conclusion: I would be happy to see Hiddink, Dalglish or O'Neill appointed manager (though I'm happy to be persuaded about O'Neill - maybe somebody knows something I don't. .)
NB. Get rid of Sammy Lee as well. He's embarrassing on the touchline, and he hasn't got a f* *ing clue what he's doing.
Apologies for the length of that, but now I'd really like to hear people's opinions on it and debate some of the finer points, such as the manager, who should partner Torres up front, what to do about the left-back crisis, etc. Thoughts?
PS. I live in Boston and I went to see the Red Sox play a few weeks ago. Not bad atmosphere for a baseball game.
18 Oct 2010 18:18:09
{ed's note - why Wright-Phillips? He can't pass, tackle, cross or shoot.}
He'd fit right in then
18 Oct 2010 18:17:08
18 Oct 2010 17:51:27
Please add to my comment
players i'd like to see at LFC
Wright Phillips
A.Young
J A Riise (never should have sold him)
G Bale
Benzema
Alonso (never should have sold him)
FemaleRed4life {ed's note - why Wright-Phillips? He can't pass, tackle, cross or shoot.}
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I agree ed. I have just never understood this infatuation with Wright Phillips. He is nothing more than an ok premier league player. We had Pennant who was better. Babel is better and that is saying something.
On the subject of Riise. He was a victim of the boo boys after an indifferent season. But he understood what it was to be a footballer for Liverpool. He was better than both Dossena and Aurelio. He was also a useful left sided midfielder. He would also come back to Liverpool if he had the chance.
18 Oct 2010 18:11:42
Ed can you try and explain something to me, why in the summer did fabio capello get slated 4 using in the words of repescted ex pro's, gary lineker etc "prehistoric" formations and tactics ( 4 4 2 ) yet most people on here seem to be crying out 4 it. i don't like the idea of a target man up top with torres, long ball have long ball is not good to watch.
what are your thoughts?
18 Oct 2010 18:09:46
18 Oct 2010 15:08:47
18 Oct 2010 14:56:56
Please stop the talk about King Kenny taking over. I want to remember him as the legend he is, not for any other reason and times have changed dramatically in the managerial world. If we are looking to the future and regaining our true place in the whole scheme of things we need to have people like KK on the Board, a true Red with a passion for the club.
Why don't we start a campaign to get him elevated to the Board, that way we can be sure the fans have a real voice at top level?
Kenny Dalglish for the LFC Board - next a Knighthood for his services to Football & Charity.
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT KENNY BECOMING MANAGER ONLY IN THE SHORT TERM, IF HODGSON GOES, NOT A LONG TERM CHOICE.
HE SHOULD BE ON THE BOARD AND A KNIGHTHOOD FOR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH LIVERPOOL IS LONG OVERDUE. KENNY SHOULD GET ONE FOR HIS WORK IN FOOTBALL, CHARITY AND FOR THE SUPPORT HE GAVE THE HILLSBOROUGH FAMLIES.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Kenny has not been offered a knighthood, but has turned it down. Not his thing.
18 Oct 2010 17:25:35
After watching yesterday's performance I get the feeling that we are once again putting square pegs in round holes. Joe Cole was bought as an attacking central midfielder and it is blatantly obvious he is not cut out to be a left winger. I have never seen so many crappy crosses from an England international. Gerrard should drop back alongside Mereiles in midfield and Cole should be supporting Torres. We will always miss Xabi and the best replacement we have for him is Gerrard in that role. It's not perfect but it's the best we can do. At least then we can get some pace out wide with Jovanovic and Babel. Again I know this isn't ideal but we have to make do with our squad. Finally, what is the point of playing Carragher at Rb when we have a ready made Rb in Kelly. It would have been an ideal opportunity to blood a local boy in the most important match of his career.
I'm not convinced with Roy, he is a capable manager but are his feet big enough to fill the shoes of an LFC manager. He does need time and I hope he gets it but more importantly he needs some luck to get things going! At times like these you do wonder just how good a manager Benitez was. Alright he was a nob and bought some junk but with Masch & Alonso as the only real difference to the current squad he took us so close!
Come January we desperately need a couple of wide players and a striker who is capable of supporting Torres, should he stay. .
18 Oct 2010 17:24:32
The only time i would want to see rooney in a liverpool shirt is if it was tied round his neck as he hung from a lamp post, the fact that he sold his story to the scum to spite liverpool fans is horrible, as a fellow scouser he should kno better
back to the football, CREATIVITY that's wot we need on the field, i would love to hear your views on who cud bring this to our fantastic club, players or managers
gaz
18 Oct 2010 17:20:22
I think Roy is a very nice man. He is probably now regretting leaving Fulham.
Liverpool do not need a nice man.
They need an effective man, a hard man. A man with creative ideas.
Who fits that bill ?
I haven't the faintest idea !
Robinho
18 Oct 2010 17:15:03
Football aint a hard game you just got to know how to play it! we need wingers in january forget the holding midfielder we need kaka alongside gerrard and darren bent or eto from inter upfront with torres. and for the wings we need. young, arda turan, adam johnson, sack roy before its to late he hasent gota clue! we need someone with tactics frank riykard. on the bench shelvy, suso, bring them through now!
18 Oct 2010 17:08:32
Clearly Hodgson has lost the dressing room. If he ever had it in the first place. With the news on Friday a weight/ cloud had been lifted so we were told. I felt it, as did thousands and thousands of fans. Judging by the effort put in yesterday, the players clearly haven't felt it.
After Everton's second goal, the game turned into a training session with the reds attacking and the blues defending. Blues didn't want to do anything else and we couldn't do anything else. We had plenty of the ball in areas where we couldn't hurt them. Everton allowed us to have the ball which is why we looked better to Hodgson because we actually passed the ball successfully 15 times without giving it away. Mind you we went all of three yards forward every 15 passes.
We have the attacking prowess of a crane fly. All non LFC fans said we were finished the moment the back pass was abolished, well if the sideways pass is banned we're well and truly f* *ed.
We moan about Johnson's art of defending but his raids down the right hand side were missed yesterday. Carra just didn't have the pace to get past Baines ever but we looked solid in the RB area because Carra didn't venture forward as much or as far as Johnson, which teams exploit when he does play. Coupled with the fact he is a bit dodgy defending and it's a recipe for disaster. Srtkel i didn't think was that bad yesterday. Kyriakos was average. Konchesky just didn't do anything. . . . . .right or wrong. Reina picked the ball out of the net twice, made a couple of easy saves and spent the rest of the game kicking the ball further forward than the entire team put together. Lucas doesn't offer much defensive cover as we are picked off wide or over the top. His offensive play is limited as he goes sideways all the time. Gerrard is just in a slumbering rut which i cannot understand. No energy, no drive. He just looks a spent force. Meireles looked ok yesterday and i think he should be given more time. Cole had a shocker and after yesterday's performance i don't think he could cross his legs let alone the ball. Torres looked a little more interested but how much longer is he going to be isolated? Ermm that's 10 i missed one. .Did Maxi play?
Bob the Red
18 Oct 2010 17:07:40
I was as p* *ed off as everybody watching MANY quality players acting as if they were total strangers to each other.
The first 20 mins or so were what you'd expect - quieten the blue noses keeping possession and gradually take control, creating 2 or 3 opportunities for Torres - all he used to need!
Plan B Everton score! Carry on as before - something might go our way.
Plan C Everton score again! Ummm. Ask Sammy Lee. . .then again, where's Kenny? Oh s* t!
I think Roy is trying to play a classic Liverpool way without enough class players when we are surely crying out for some PASSION at the moment. Draws are no use - we need 3 points a match and maybe people like Ian Holloway know that the effort needed to get ONE win is worth the risk (and better than 3 draws).
Confidence is a must and going hell for leather when needed is also the Liverpool way.
PLEASE ROY - forget the history for a while and tell them to go out there and spit some f* *ing blood. They might start to enjoy it, you never know. And. . I guarantee we'll win a few more.
PS. Our midfield heart needs attention - strength and vision required. Tommy Smith/ Jimmy Case/ Souness/ Alonso/ Whelan/ etc. + Gerrard.
Red Mist
18 Oct 2010 17:00:18
SACK ROY NOW! ! he aint gotta clue. no tactics. . we need frank riykard much better manager. i wouldn't trust roy with no money. .we need players that want to play for us not stand about and not even look interested like torres does! buy darren bent. and try and get kaka from madrid
18 Oct 2010 16:56:05
Whilst Roy's tenure is becoming increasingly questionable, for God's sake lets put to bed the 'bring back Rafa' brigade straight away.
In his own way, Benitez was as much to blame as H+G for the recent rapid decline in our Club. No way do I want to sound as if I'm defending the outgoing Yanks but you have to accept that they they did support the manager in the transfer market, he was the one that squandered the cash on duds.
I know this might risk the ire of those who beatified Benitez after the miracle of Istanbul but like his predecessor, he used up all his good fortune in his first couple of seasons like an amateur gambler and was found wanting in the Premier League. I think we are in for a tough time till January and if things have improved by then, settle for mid table and begin to give the kids like Shelvey, Pacheco, Wilson, Kelly and Amoo a chance to blossom.
Most of all, whoever is picked; play them for their ability in their natural positions. I'm sick of seeing centre halves playing full back and right footed midfielders on the left wing, example; Babel is a right footed striker. Play him there alongside Torres and THEN decide if he is fulfilling his potential. There is no balance at present.
The Purple Helmet
18 Oct 2010 16:55:54
LFC supporter man and boy for 48 years and have never seen us play so badly. You would expect with a new manager, sale of club lifting debt and a "bright future" that our boys could play with a bit of spirit. Not a bit of it. Cole has failed to show anything much, Torres gets not service, defence is worse than I have seen it in years. Mireiles I think could be a good player for us as I do Jovanovic given the chance but they need time and the chance to do it.
Alot of the blame has to go onto the current players on the pitch as on paper we should be much better. I was a supporter of Roy H when he was brought in but it is obviously not working so I regretfully think it is time to change. The question is for who? I still think kenny Dalglish has been out of it too long and is not a great manager anyway. He inherited a great Liverppol team, won a few trophies and then went to Blackburn and won the premiership with the biggest budget at the time. After that waht did he do at Newcastle and Celtic? ZIPPO. He also signed some real dross. Was it not he that signed David Speedie for midfield? I would hate to see that sort of qualty palyer back at Anfield.
Interested to know other managerial possibilities as I think we need to get someone who can build the team and grow with them, not an interim to be replaced in 1-2 years. Kenny would not want to be a interim either. Mourinho would not stay beyond a few years so he is a pipe dream.
Thoughts?
18 Oct 2010 16:55:38
Roy is a mid-table manager. get kk old real manager the chosen 1
ALSO Fcukn buy rooney
he will return to form n is class. would be great 4 torres. n could come 2 spite manks. plus roy will guide him through difficult times {ed's note - what the hell is wrong with you people who call for Liverpool to sign Rooney? This is the lad who sold his story to the S*n to spite Liverpool fans. He isn't fit to wear the shirt.}
18 Oct 2010 16:55:09
Why can't Roy see the obvious team to play, everyone can see it yet this dimwit of a manager can not. He plays players out of postion why.He always being so polite about the other team just like when we played Manure he was so worried not to upset rednose fergie why!
We need a strong manager who can take hold of the players and shake them up with some stern authority.
Sorry Roy your time has come to do a the right thing and go with dignity, maybe stay in the background in some capacity but go and take that plonker Sammy Lee he was crap at Bolton and since he came to LFC same here. We need Paco back was a great coach.
SinghKing
18 Oct 2010 16:54:45
Endless posts complaining about people who complain.
Endless posts about getting rid of Roy and getting Kenny in.
Deluded drivel!
I was pleased to hear Henry say he will not throw money at the problem.
Throwing money at managers to throw away on players like Konchelsky and Lucas, Poulsen and Babel is a waste of everyone's time.
Someone said we have 23 games to go and can win 22. Get real!
We are heading for a finish around 10-14th in my mind and despite other people telling me to shut up and it will better - where is the proof and evidence for that?
Torres is poor and Roy should know that.
Carra - too slow.
Johnson - put him right side and get a defender.
Meireles - still waiting . .
Skrtel - tries and is hard . . .
Kyriagos - not as bad we think and solid if not spectacular.
Agger - wasting his time at Liverpool. He is far better than we tell him he is and should play instead of Carra.
Lucas - wrong club, wrong league, wrong position but a good player elsewhere . . probably.
Cole - you're getting £95,000 per week Joe and we are still waiting to see why.
Gerrard - better off out of it now.
Babel - waited too long now Ryan for you to show.
Kuyt - time's up and thanks for great work.
Torres - sell him.
Ngog - why not keep him? Done OK and no more so far.
Maxi - wrong position and looks lacklustre.
Jovanovic - rides a tackle and can score but Roy isn't bothered.
. . and just to rub salt into the wounds:
Amoo - go boy, cos Roy ain't interested in using you.
Shelvey - stole him from Charlton and from under the noses of West Ham, Spurs and Chelsea, but can't even make the bench Roy!
Eccleston - the new Fowler or just a fleeting glimpse of a player the club will let down?
Ince - dad might be smart and pull him out.
Coady - seen him Roy?
Spearing - no thanks.
. . . and a host of other young players we found, bought, stole and wanted for "The Academy of Never Going Anwywhere But Your Own Dreams!"
I said this morning it was time to tear it down and start again (the squad, not The Academy!)
Henry might take that view without Roy or Kenny.
Kenny can spot Turan and a few other gems, but why go to Liverpool now?
Bottom of the Premier League and wallowing in self-pity.
Throwing money around is a waste of time when you think of players like cars: buy one, leave it in the garage and it won't work as well as when it's running.
If I were a Shelvey or Eccleston I would be looking for a move. Why?
Well, if you can't get into a poor and struggling side near the bottom of the table (or in Jonjo's case even make the bench) then what's the point of signing for the club.
It brings back my own phrase from a few weeks back:
" . an average club with a massive history!"
18 Oct 2010 16:52:05
Lfc needs better quality almost everywhere. Torres needs a sh!tload more support. WE canNOT just relay on gerrard n torres. so we need a midfielder who is great and young BANEGA! we need some wingers. obviously we can't afford messi n ronaldo(which would be nice) but we could get:
Mata - 10 - 15 mil not wit babel he could be good
Young - 20mil great for club but sh!te for england
Lennon - 15milish doubt would come
BALE - my fav for the left would pay 20mil but is unlikely
18 Oct 2010 16:36:42
I would sell torres because he is always getting injuries i would use the money to get 2 strikers that can play day in day out
18 Oct 2010 16:28:48
And what happened to roy saying he was going to give the kids a chance the way rafa didnt, ive seen a little bit of kelly who looks like hes gonna be a very good player as he matures, the odd 5 mins at the end of a game for pacheco, what about jay spearing, david amoo, jonjo shevely etc i wud hve these lads on playin with passion an pride over the shower of s* t that's goes out for us normally
To be honest pal i don't think spearing is ever going to be able to make the step up, but shelvey looks awsome, he needs a game now
18 Oct 2010 16:27:06
When watching Liverpool yesterday it was obvious that there wasn't enough creation in the team, this causes gerrard to drop back to fill that gap, which leaves Torres up front on his own. Don't jump on mereiles' back yet as he has only just signed and needs to adjust. We never replaced Alonso properly, he was the man that could create the space for Gerrard and Torres. Now that we have an apparent 25 mil + for jan I think we should buy someone like ever banega as he can defend like masch could and pass like xabi. He will also compliment mereiles. The other areas that need to be targeted are centre back and a pacey winger.
These could be:
Mata 10 mil + babel
Ibrahim affelay- free in summer of 2011
Elia of HSV 15 mil
Centre back as skrtel is looking week this season there is only one option in my eyes and that is shawcross of Stoke.
We need to get rid of all of the below average players such as Lucas Skrtel Kyriagkos Poulsen El Zhar Maxi Babel
Then sign a Decent striker in jan.
What do you think ed?
Liverbird {ed's note - I think you are right in the players who are weak links, but I am not sure about Shawcross as a solution. We already have Wilson and Ayala, both of those are better in my opinion, they just don't have his experience yet. So play them and let them get the experience.}
I agree with almost all of the above but I must say I thought Skirtel was one of the very few players that performed well yesterday. We need to buy Shawcross, Honda, Mata and Aguero
Aroc
{Editor's Note: Aguero is in the midst of renegotiating his contract at 200 euro per week. No chance Liverpool will pay that.}
18 Oct 2010 16:23:31
This season is a write off i, m afraid, prem survival and late push for europe priority, new man at the helm to replace woy, one who believes in atractive passing football like the reds of the late 80s.lets not rush this appointment give the board time to find the right man who can instil this footballing philosophy which made us famous in decades gone by and apply it from youth teams all the way up just like cryuff has created at barcelona.it will take time but will reap dividends in years to come. short terms fixs will only last short term. ajax were famous for this kind of total football development and it should be replicated here, people use to comment on how liverpool played a european passing game while other english clubs used the more frantic blood and guts english game, lets return to our core values and return this great club to where it belongs at the top of european and english football. take note john w henry
18 Oct 2010 16:22:26
Why don't we get Guss hiddink i think he will do a good job for us what do you think are chances are ed
{Editor's Note: Chances are marginally less than zero.}
18 Oct 2010 16:19:00
Liverpool FC need to part company with Woy now. . .Its clear that does not command the respect of the players and seems to be devoid of any plan B when things are not going our way on the field. He has with the exception of Mierles bought poorly, he also has this thing about playing players in positions which beggars belief. Meirles has played RW, a creative CM who can be more of a threat in the middle, pushed out wide. Then you have Johnson a RB, who its clear would be better as a RW, simply because he is very good in the final third of the pitch, but is a woeful defender, he will get away with playing RB with England, because he has better cover around him. We have youngsters in the reserves who play week in week out in their preferred positions, so if the 1st teamers aren't cutting it why not try youth, are you seriously telling me we would be any worse off (league position wise) if we gave them a go, Arsene, and Fergie have done it, trouble is with us both Rafa & Woy have bought youth but never use them, I firmly believe than these guys will be far hungrier than Maxi, Babel, Poulsen, Konchesky& Jovanovic will ever be. Carra's legs have gone, not his fault he's been a hell of a servant to LFC and age hits us all, but he must be used in a bit part role now. All these guys who are on loan, with the exception of Ayala should be moved on and Ayala brought back ASAP, Shelvey, Wilson, Suso, Kelly, Amoo, & Pacheco, should all be given game time. We won't be relagated but don't even consider Europe either would prefer to use this season to blood these guys and see what they are made of, it would give the owners an idea of where they need to strengthen then, right now I would prefer if Woy walked like G&H should have done, where the fans might have some respect for him, instead of staying on and persisting with this (watching paint dry) dire tactics football. . . where he will be held in the same regard as G&H. Football is a sport to all of us fans, but to those who own the club, its their business, and right now we are at the bottom of the business end of things in terms of our position, team spirit and answers to our problems. The club has been through enough. When Woy was given the job, he got it because, lets be fair no one else with any shred of sense wanted to be part of it, apart from Kenny, now will we probably end up parting with 3mill to Woy. . handy money for 6months work. . money thst could have been used elsewhere, add that to the 8million used to bring in Poulsen and Konchesky, and you should now see he should have never been even considered for it in the first place. I fear for us in the current climate, Woy is not the answer, why?? because to date he hasn't be able to answer any of it himself. Our league position blatantly shows us this. . Irish Red
18 Oct 2010 16:18:56
1)Roy should never have gotten rid of aqua
2)He gave riera away for 3mil who was immense when we came second, until the fall out with rafa he was keeping silva out of the spain team,
3) he needs to play babbel, shelvey and pacheco,
4)poulson is shi-e
5)players are being played well out of position, if you don't have anyone from the strongest 11 available for the position use youth, i just don't get the mentality whats the point in having a youth system if its not getting used.
6) hes so scared of loosing after the man city game that he won't take a risk anymore and to be honest its rubbing off on the players.
sort it out roy or ship off, 2 x games left roy, judge me after 10 games you said.
if you don't win the next two games do the right thing and walk
18 Oct 2010 16:12:14
I would like to see the young players get a chance such as Toni Brito Silva , Suso, Amoo and Pacheco, i think these guys would show hunger if given a first team oportunity can't be any worse than things now, what you think ed?
{Editor's Note: I agree - but not all at the same time.}
18 Oct 2010 16:08:47
The fact is we have too many average players
maxi
jovanovic
lucas
poulson
babel
the fact that torres is playin the worst ive ever seen him play is shocking, he wants out, ok let him go 50m! cheers we can go an buy someone who wants to play
carra im sorry to say is lookin older an slower every time i see him, i think he shud be used more of a mentor to blood in a new, young centre back
and what happened to roy saying he was going to give the kids a chance the way rafa didnt, ive seen a little bit of kelly who looks like hes gonna be a very good player as he matures, the odd 5 mins at the end of a game for pacheco, what about jay spearing, david amoo, jonjo shevely etc i wud hve these lads on playin with passion an pride over the shower of s* t that's goes out for us normally
please post this ed as i would love to hear your views
ps. excellent site mate bin on it for a while
18 Oct 2010 16:08:05
Ed Any idea who the owners were talking to today and what was said?
I presume the first thing they have to concentrate on is getting things right on the pitch and then the rebuild or new stadium.
Aroc
{Editor's Note: No idea I am afraid.}
18 Oct 2010 16:07:03
Roys future as manager rest on 2 factors - his results in the next 3 weeks and the availability of NESV's prefered choice. Roy is aware of his position and so are the players. there is a lot of bad blood still around anfield despite the new owners and morale is low. infighting amongst players and roys job is simple - keep the squad together and obtain a mid table position by january. Im not going to say that i know who NESV are seeking out however you only have to look at their approach to realise that they will seek a manager who can develop young players and get a europa league position over a manager who can guarantee success but at a high price. Look the way i see it we have had a narrow escape and it would be unfair to expect NESV to instantly restore us to the CL when you have City and spurs around there now.
18 Oct 2010 15:59:39
We need an attack minded coach who will bring some flair back to our desperately bored and depressed players. .I think Jean Tigana is the man. .He never got a fair crack in the EPL and is a legend in Europe who could attract some big players. I think Bordeaux will walk the french league this season. .he could also bring Modeste with him as a great young striker. .Any thoughts Ed? Red Beard
{Editor's Note: He is not setting the French Liga alight right now.}
18 Oct 2010 15:55:31
I will be in the kop block 202 in my season ticket seat on sunday and will be singing every song we can. i urge all other reds at that game against blackburn to sing at the top of there lungs and show what the 12th man can really do. we need to get behind the team and show them we love them
18 Oct 2010 15:50:20
Manager:
Guus Hiddink
Team:
Reina/ Jones
Srna/ Rafinha
Carra/ Agger/ Hangeland/ Cahill/ Skertel
Taiwo/ Lahm
Schweinsteiger/ Johnson
Banega/ Merieles
Gerrard/ Aquilani
Turan/ Cole
Torres/ Hulk/ Llorente/ Aguero/ Dzeko/ Babel
18 Oct 2010 15:49:43
THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. . .
We need a manager who has Prem League winning experience! !
For those who are doubting King Ken's ability to take the helm, don't forget he is one of only 5 managers to have won the Prem League title (Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho & Ancellotti the others).
He's been there and done it. You don't forget how to manage players and identify good targets just because you have not been a manager for 10 years. Look at the youngsters he has been able to attract for starters, since he took the academy role.
He could have Sami Hyypia or even Carra alongside him as well. I couldnt comment on Sammy Lee's position at the club, but others may have an opinion?
The only other candidates with more qualifications are Mourinho or Hiddink, but they are not available for at least 2 years.
18 Oct 2010 15:49:42
Roy Hodgson is a classic typical comic book manager, he talks a good game and comes out with every catchphrase and cliche in the book, Harry Enfield could not have invented a better character.Its like him and Ron Atkinson were seperated at birth, both talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk?
He must go NOW, never mind all this "lets get behind him" he should never have even been considered for the Liverpool job.Lets face it, we all thought both Leeds and Newcastle were to good to go down, and we all think Liverpool are, but as history shows things don't always work out how we expect them to.
For the good of the club, Roy must go, and we all know he must go sooner rather than later.
Rich
18 Oct 2010 15:49:02
"Fernando Torres is lacking Confidence" Says Roy Hodgson. . Erm. .Roy, isn't it part of your job to instill some confidence in the players? ?
How can the players be confident? and how can they improve when you also say that below par performances are the best yet? and confirm we're in a relegation battle after six games!
I took a look at the table this morning, and of the teams above us upto 6th place, no matter how poor we think our squad is, it should be good enough to beat any of them!
El Diablo!
18 Oct 2010 15:41:38
The team that came 2nd in the premier league 08-09 was 4-2-3-1. Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carra, Agger, Masch, Alonso, Kuyt, Riera, Gerrard, Torres. The Gerrard, Torres partnership was where most of our attacking threat came from, while Alonso would act as a deep lying playmaker and Masch would break up opposition attacks and get the ball to Alonso. Kuyt and Riera would usually cut inside or cross from deep rather than get to the byline. Aurelio and Arbeloa didn't offer much attacking presence, but we're decent defensively.
Since then we've lost Arbeloa, Masch, Alonso and Riera and have replaced them with Johnson, Poulsen, Aquilani/ Meireles and Cole/ Jovanovic respectively. These replacements are not as good as the original players, but they aren't so bad that we should take 6 points from 8 games. We haven't been helped by injuries to Torres in particular, but that's no reason for us to be playing as poorly as we are.
In my opinion we need to put Gerrard back in AMC, working with Torres the way they used to, give Meireles the Alonso role and Poulsen the Masch role (I know he's slow, but if he sits back this shouldn't be a problem. He's the best DM we have at the moment, sadly. Obviously he should be replaced ASAP). Kelly should be at right back ahead of Johnson as he's defensively more stable. Aurelio should be at left back ahead of Konchesky as he's far better in every way. In January/ Summer we should purchase a new LB and if Kelly is not good enough, a new RB.
Agger needs to be at CB with Carra. Skrtle is good cover, but is not good enough to start every game. Kuyt and Cole should be first choice wingers. Give Johnson a chance on RW while Kuyt is injured and if he's not good enough then he should go. Also give youth players more of a chance in the first team, Pacheco in particular.
The players aren't performing, and it's Roy's job to make them. Give him a couple more games and if there is no improvement then he should go. I don't think he's positive enough (we're playing really deep, isolating Torres, and not even counter attacking, then when we're a goal or two down we start attacking), he doesn't change things early enough when they're not working, he isn't giving youth players a chance, he isn't going to attract top players and I don't trust him in the transfer market.
Do you agree Ed? {ed's note - personally that is not for me, I would rather see a proper 4-4-2 with width and flair. I want to see the youngsters playing rather than the likes of Poulsen. Spearing has shown more than Poulsen, why stick with Poulsen?}
18 Oct 2010 15:35:10
Pellegrini does speak English. Please you tube
"Pellegrini Keen On Alonso (21-07-09)"
18 Oct 2010 15:34:00
SWAP DEAL TOUTED!
FERNANDO TORRES - Not happy at LFC. Best seasons under Rafa Benitez. Would jump at the chance to work with him again, despite rumoured falling out (now has hindsight of life after RB!).
SAMUEL E'TO - Has won leagues & CL in Spain and Italy. Not a huge RB fan. Keeps getting racial abuse in Italy. With new owners in place, would make the move.
Also, its time for Shelvey, Kelly, Suso, Pacheco and Amoo. They would be exciting, add pace and play without fear, which no other LFC player apart from Stevie G can do at the moment. Put the kids in Roy, and show these other muppets that if they don't perform, they are dropped! CANT POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN IT IS NOW!
Gart Red
18 Oct 2010 15:28:24
IM UNDER NO ILLUSION THAT WE ARE GONNA STRUGGLE FOR A EUROPEAN PLACE. I WAS SPEAKING TO A FEW LOCAL LADS AND THEY WERE WISHING FOR RAFA BACK.THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT A LOT OF LOCALS FELT THE SAME, LOL IM NOT LOCAL BUT I WOULD WELCOME HIM BACK WIV OPEN ARMS.WANTED TO KNOWQ WOT HE MAJORITY THOUGHT ON HERE?
18 Oct 2010 15:26:40
There has been alot of talk about needing a target man, which I fully agree with, this 4-5-1 just isn't working Nd that's there for everybody to see.people are saying buy one, buy in my own personal opinion we have got one in bable.he's got the pace, power and can see a pass.never mind his leathal right foot. Top and bottom of it is this system isn't working, 4-5-1 didn't work for rafa and it certainly won't for Roy.
18 Oct 2010 15:26:08
Editor, as much as I respect you, I must say that I find you a bit hypocritical.You're always eager to highlight the "negative, overly cautious" approach of the previous managers, yet, you're constantly spewing the "support Hodgson", "give him until the end of the season" mantra.Hodgson's an ultradefensive manager.
I, like many other sane, discerning fans, knew this even before he was appointed, hence were fiercely opposed to, and completely shattered by, his appointment.I wasn't going to judge him in 10 or 38 games.His over 30 year career was more than enough to convince me that he's anything but our man. We should NEVER have hired him in the first place, and if we are to salvage anything in this season, he should leave now whilst the damage hasn't gone beyond irreparable.
There are still some over 25 games still to play, and I'm more than certain that with a right manager, who'll let these boys play the best way they know how, we can win 22/ 23 of those games.
I've always maintained that this team is far more superior than the current performances suggest.The manager's the problem here.His mentality, methods and expectations are at extreme variance with what's needed and expected at Liverpool.
It's more a case of suitability than ability. Mr Hodgson managed to get the best out Fulham because they had players who were suited to his methods. We don't have those players.What we have are excellent international players who are used to playing the ball, attacking and go out there to dominate teams.Roy, however, does the opposite. .and it's just not working. And the bad news is that he won't change-he's too inflexible, outdated and unacquainted with the modern game.There's frankly nothing he can offer this team.The players know it, and Hodgson himself knows it too.
Those who keep saying "he'll get it right", at what cost really?At the cost of entrenching a negative, defeatist mentality in our players?At the cost of an isolated Fernando Torres chasing hopelessly hoofed high balls?At the cost of submitting to other teams, many lesser than us, even at Anfield?At the cost of losing Agger, Pacheco, Mavinga and the host of other youngsters who've been unceremoniously marginalised?At the cost of signing the Poulsens, Koncheskys and other Scandinavian non-starters instead of the Van der Vaarts, Banegas?
Keeping Hodgson comes with huge risk.The new owners, if they are the winners they are said to be, will move swifly to arrest this gangrene before it reaches irreparable proportions.As I said, there're still over 25 games still to play, there's still lots to play for.But, if things don't change real soon, a relegation battle isn't too unrealistic a possibility.
I disagree fiercely with the ed that a managerial change is unnecessary.Sir, never has one been more imperative.You know, a very good trait of any leadership is to recognise when it's made an error and move quickly to rectify it.Hodgson is the error here, and corrective measures need to be taken.Man, even Hodgson's most staunchest fan would be hard-pressed to come up with one good reason why Roy is the man to take us forward.
He was brought in to "steady the ship", "provide the arm around the shoulder" that these players "so desperately needed".Well, what a wonderful he has done so far.
Man, it's so cringe-making, so sad seeing Roy in that dugout, looking up and down, picking his nose, giving that occasional clap.Just completely clueless.
So for everyone's sake, let's part ways sooner rather than later, cause honestly, this isn't doing Roys England ambitions any favours. .let alone our quest to return to the glory days.
May the Lord bless and have mercy upon the fans of Liverpool Football Club, and the new owners that the correct decisions are made.
Gracias,
Lombardi Cazorla
18 Oct 2010 15:20:39
In response
I think joachim leow would be a terrific choice. What do you people think?
Bang on mate, perfect choice in my opinion, his team in the world cup were so well drilled doubt hed come tho, its going to take a manager with real balls to jump on this ship at the mo, mid season i mean
18 Oct 2010 15:12:53
17 Oct 2010 18:52:37
17 Oct 2010 18:39:39
Just to put everyone in a worse mood. If you tune into Sky Sports 1, there's a centre half playing for Bilbao used to be on our books! £2.7 million San Jose was sold for. Looks every bit as good as anything we have on show. Unbelievable.
The Irish Rover {ed's note - I really liked San Jose, but that one is not Roy's fault - Rafa was the reason he left.}
Yeah, I know that Ed! Still sticks in your throat tho when you see him strolling about making the game look easy then you watch the rabble we have to endure.
The Irish Rover {ed's note - yeah, I was just pointing it out before that was used as a stick against Roy and to point out how wonderful Rafa was etc. I wish we had kept that lad, he can actually pass the ball as well!}
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I HAVE SEEN SAN JOSE ALSO. HE LOOKS VERY GOOD.
18 Oct 2010 15:12:03
Joachim Loew will not leave the German job. He loves it too much. Ottmar Hitzfeld is a great shout though. He's 61, so he's got one big job left in him, he speaks english, his record is a good as anyone, he knows how to defend and attack, and he might be gettable (currently in the Swiss job). What's more, he'd probably want the job.
Also love the idea or Sir King Kenny on the board.
18 Oct 2010 15:08:47
18 Oct 2010 14:56:56
Please stop the talk about King Kenny taking over. I want to remember him as the legend he is, not for any other reason and times have changed dramatically in the managerial world. If we are looking to the future and regaining our true place in the whole scheme of things we need to have people like KK on the Board, a true Red with a passion for the club.
Why don't we start a campaign to get him elevated to the Board, that way we can be sure the fans have a real voice at top level?
Kenny Dalglish for the LFC Board - next a Knighthood for his services to Football & Charity.
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT KENNY BECOMING MANAGER ONLY IN THE SHORT TERM, IF HODGSON GOES, NOT A LONG TERM CHOICE.
HE SHOULD BE ON THE BOARD AND A KNIGHTHOOD FOR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH LIVERPOOL IS LONG OVERDUE. KENNY SHOULD GET ONE FOR HIS WORK IN FOOTBALL, CHARITY AND FOR THE SUPPORT HE GAVE THE HILLSBOROUGH FAMLIES.
18 Oct 2010 15:03:42
I think joachim leow would be a terrific choice. What do you people think?
18 Oct 2010 14:59:20
Blackburn result will dictate hogson if we loose then that's that his expectations do not match the fans even with these players who don't deserve to wear the famous shirt. Torres should be sold hogson should be paid off 3 million will do then we should invest in a new striker and wingers like ashley young bring in hiddink all will be well stay with hogson then we will just get worse
18 Oct 2010 14:58:22
Roy has simply got to go it was a nice thought having an english manager but he simply hasn't been upto the job making poor signings and no squad motivation. I say either get KING kENNY back even for the short term he knows the club loves the club and has won the league and not just with us.
rushing this decision could hurt us more. . . .
by the way one name that never comes up as a managerial contender is OTTMAR HITZFELD (the german Ferguson) has won everthing and everywhere he goes he wins stuff & look at the football germany played in the world cup. If we can sign arguably the best german manager we could possibly get some of their new young talent and replicate some of their football. He also speaks fluent English
Barnesjnr777
18 Oct 2010 14:57:25
"contact are claims line now on. ."
You've been waiting quite a while to use that one havent you?
18 Oct 2010 14:56:56
Please stop the talk about King Kenny taking over. I want to remember him as the legend he is, not for any other reason and times have changed dramatically in the managerial world. If we are looking to the future and regaining our true place in the whole scheme of things we need to have people like KK on the Board, a true Red with a passion for the club.
Why don't we start a campaign to get him elevated to the Board, that way we can be sure the fans have a real voice at top level?
Kenny Dalglish for the LFC Board - next a Knighthood for his services to Football & Charity.
18 Oct 2010 14:53:31
17 Oct 2010 23:33:29
17 Oct 2010 23:13:56
Pellegrini does not speak English.
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Neither did Maldini, Capello, Ancelotti etc means nothing really. I'm sure he could start learning it as there could be a job being made available in England in January or even before.
Roy can't even speak proper English.
Blair Mayne YNWA
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IS IT ABSOLUTE FACT THAT PELLIGRINI DOES NOT SPEAK ENGLISH?
AS WE ALL SAW LAST WEEK, MANY CHILEAN PEOPLE SEEM TO SPEAK VERY GOOD OR PASSABLE ENGLISH. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE UKS STRONG BUSINESS AND TRADE LINKS WITH CHILE. SURPRISINGLY THERE ARE LARGE AMOUNTS OF EX PATS WHO LIVE IN CHILE ALSO.
I THINK PELLIGRINI COULD BE A GOOD CHOICE.
18 Oct 2010 14:50:30
Saw a few posts saying the new owners don't know football etc. just to set the record straight, they not only know it, but love it. Nesv are actually LFC fans from before the purchase. Saw an interview with Joe Scarborough, tv show personality in the U.S. and also LFC supporter and he told how they actually have a"shrine" in the offices, his words not mine, for LFC. Don't know why they're being so quiet about it themselves, but don't underestimate their passion none the less
18 Oct 2010 14:50:23
Former liverpool player steve macmahon expressed his anger towards roy hodgson and sammy jee saying they ve no clue as to what the problem is. . They bring in mediocre players and that its time they are SACKED. Now is the time. No better time to say we want a fresh start and say goodbye to roy.
18 Oct 2010 14:49:32
I'm not in support in Kenny coming back. We need to pull together & look to the future. We need a manager who has respect across Europe i.e. Koeman, Lowe or Hiddink. Also need to STOP buying qaunty & get quality. We spent £10m combined on Poulsen & Konchesky when we could of used money & put it towards the rumoured £15m we had to spend on a striker. Carragher or Kelly could of filled left back & Shelvey given an opportunity.
Gav the red
18 Oct 2010 14:47:58
I don't understand the calls on this site for King Kenny to return short term. The rebuilding job at LFC is a significant one, but you must have your manager in place first. Whether that is Roy or somebody else I'm not sure, but the one thing you can't have is a short term appointment. That is not the way to build for the future. If Roy is the to be the manager for the long term so be it, but he must be backed 100%. If he isn't, replace him with someone who can build the next Liverpool team, and who can see that process through to completion.
I totaly agree with you mate but this issue is now! its not about rebuilding that will only start next summer, roy needs to go now before we go down its that bad, steady the ship its all but sunk pal, bring in sombody untill summer just to motivate who we have already and utilise the entire squad and make sure we at least qualify for the uefa cup.
if things carry on this way we will be 52 points behind chelsea and will only have 32 points at the end of the season, a blind man can see whats happening stop playing players out of position and use some youth, most of the players know if they play gash it don't matter because uncle roys a soft t-at and he won't or dare not drop me KK or mon for me. no more foreign muck.
Why wait until the summer? Any money spent in January could end up going on players who the next long-term manager doesn't fancy. In the meantime, Liverpool have wasted 6 months when the new guy could be starting to get his message across. Come the start of next season, LFC will be in a stronger position if they had a settled manager. The only justification I can think of for an interim manager is if there was a target lined up who wasn't yet available. Added to that, I love KK, and it would break my heart if it didn't work out.
18 Oct 2010 14:45:52
No mate
18 Oct 2010 10:58:02
Phil Thompson stated recently that he would find it difficult to leave his current role on Sky
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I'm sure he would, but the chance to work back at liverpool might be too tempting to turn down,
He's a coach, has the nature for it, knows the game and could sort out our leaky defence.
He said it wouldn't of been fair to accept the role at villa because he would not be able to fully commit to the role, he would jump at the chance at liverpool, that's wat we need somone with enough boll-x the tell them their playing sh-te
18 Oct 2010 14:43:06
18 Oct 2010 11:13:50
Thats a good shout with Valencias Coach, his name is Unai Emery and has done well with every team he has managed.
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How about Enrique "Quique" Sánchez Flores the Athletico Madrid coach. Good attacking football and on for the ladies I believe.
18 Oct 2010 14:40:28
I read here quite regularly and love the site. .
But sum people writing on here r deluded. .
Aguero, gomez, diarra. . Why? We hav had to many forign
Flops. .
We need good young english talent. . E.g bent, henderson
(Sunderland) and go get ryan shawcross a gd solid defender
I agree roy has to go no1 in the dressing room iz playing for him
And he's just rafa mk2 in my eyes. . . That's just my thoughts
18 Oct 2010 14:38:30
Oi pal
Heskey will be good partner for torres big target man power and a bit of pace. lfc will be killing it heskey droping everyone with his power.
Shoukat
are you on about emile heskey?? ?? are you aware that he used to play for us a few years back? ?? ?
KILLING IT?? Droping EVERYONE WITH HIS POWER?? gimme some of that youve been smoking you plum.
Heskey spent more time on his aPse than torres seems to be doing at the moment.
18 Oct 2010 14:36:19
Now the takeover is complete it has laid bare the state of the club from a playing view point
How roy could say that was the best display this season beggars belief or have we been that bad all season
lets be honest Roy has not added quality to the team he so far has bought tosh can he really be trusted in the tranfer market.
Our team lacks confidence and passion they arent getting the leadership they need can someone tell me what the hell sammy lee offers
Steps to be taken.
1- Roy given three matches - anything less that 7 points and hes out
2- Shake up the defence- drop johnson infact drop the lot
3- Midfield play G and mierless
4 - up front cole and torres
the gaps for now bring in the youngsters
5 - come jan buy quality NOT quantity
18 Oct 2010 14:31:53
Where are the thanks but no yonks banners now?
18 Oct 2010 14:31:38
In response to
I don't understand the calls on this site for King Kenny to return short term. The rebuilding job at LFC is a significant one, but you must have your manager in place first. Whether that is Roy or somebody else I'm not sure, but the one thing you can't have is a short term appointment. That is not the way to build for the future. If Roy is the to be the manager for the long term so be it, but he must be backed 100%. If he isn't, replace him with someone who can build the next Liverpool team, and who can see that process through to completion.
I totaly agree with you mate but this issue is now! ! its not about rebuilding that will only start next summer, roy needs to go now before we go down its that bad, steady the ship its all but sunk pal, bring in sombody untill summer just to motivate who we have already and utilise the entire squad and make sure we at least qualify for the uefa cup.
if things carry on this way we will be 52 points behind chelsea and will only have 32 points at the end of the season, a blind man can see whats happening stop playing players out of position and use some youth, most of the players know if they play gash it don't matter because uncle roys a soft t-at and he won't or dare not drop me KK or mon for me. no more foreign muck.
18 Oct 2010 14:30:59
All the talk of new players on this board is ridiculous right now. What sort of quality would come when we are in the bottom three with a real possibility of relegation? Mediocre journeymen looking for a meal ticket is probably all we can attract in our current predicament. I hope NESV realise their investment is already losing value with Roy in charge. The problem isn't with the players. its with Roy and Sammy and his/ their abysmal tactics. Kenny isn't the answer though if you all keep calling for him he might just get the nod and we'd be worse off. Though I do believe he would offer a simpler approach and play the players in their strongest positions and use the likes of Babel on the wing. he may as well. The players need a disciplined, tough, young manger who has won things as a player and is starting to look promising as a manager. This is about respect. and sadly Roy has none from this squad. They know they are too good to hoof it up and have no belief in this system. One more loss and Roy will be out.
18 Oct 2010 14:30:40
In response to:
"Wow realy so much, a whole 40 grand"
Well spotted - Meant to put 40mill you geek! !
You must be a Hodgson fan?!?!
He is going to get 40k. . to spend drinking camel tea in Harrods with his old friend Mr Al Fayed!
YNWA P NUNN * * *
18 Oct 2010 14:22:54
Next Sunday we have the chance to redeem our position as 12th man, something we have lost over the last couple of years. Turn up, sing and shout like we did against Cheski in 2005 and support the lads & Roy.They need us more than ever.
PS. Those on the Centenary Stand, buy a scarf!
18 Oct 2010 14:20:08
God knows what Roy is doing in the training sessions as he certainly isn't doing what he should be, the boys should be playing one touch six aside matches. Arsenal play beautiful football, & there we are second to bottom unable to string a pass together!
Scallywag
18 Oct 2010 14:16:41
Did affelay say he will stay at his club when his contract runs out
but then his team would like to get money for him so he might leave in jan
heskey the best
18 Oct 2010 14:14:41
Lfc should have got sevn gourin erickson(spelling) he would be better than roy but joined leicter know.Shoukat
18 Oct 2010 14:13:00
Suso should get a chane he is good skillfull player and pacheco up front with torres got golden boot in under 19 world cup
Shoukat
18 Oct 2010 14:12:40
The majority of this forum need to get off Roy's back. Yes, he made some signings and significantly wasted cash on the likes of Poulsen; however, he made signings in such a short space of time and had possibly one of the most ruptured pre seasons in all of the managers in the league. In our club at the moment all you can do is get behind the manager and team. It is not feasible to suggest that new ownership and a severe turnover of the team will change our fortunes because it won't. I think we have to take a step back and evaluate our position in terms of the league and so forth. It will take time, Hodgson is putting out what he has got infront of him and the team is not performing full stop.
karlhlfc8
18 Oct 2010 14:11:34
Heskey will be good partner for torres big target man power and a bit of pace. lfc will be killing it heskey droping everyone with his power.
Shoukat
18 Oct 2010 14:10:54
This isn't a rumor. but i think after looking at our sitation, i think we should go for some1 like hiddink. he ll not only help us win games, hes also good at managing egos. and we need a character like that. some1 who can manange the likes of torres gerrard and carra who all think are bigger than the club! yes gerrard has been our best player, but the other two should be ashamed of themselves for behaving like children yesterday especially against our rivals! same wid roy. smiling like that after u ve lost to ur second biggest rival . hes a disgrace!
18 Oct 2010 14:10:20
Buy Evertons newly released DVD out now at all major retailers priced £19.99. Titled '1 historic day in October'!
18 Oct 2010 14:09:59
Been giving the 'groundshare' issue some thought but it wouldn't work for at least a couple of reasons.
There would have to be two trophy rooms, one as large as St George's Hall and the other could be housed in a broom cupboard somwhere under the stairs. Think about all the extra cleaners we would have to bring in to wipe all the dust off the unused seats ready for the fortnightly Liverpool home games.
18 Oct 2010 13:59:05
There really are too many moaners and whingers on this site, and real doom mongers too. OK we lost at Goodison - we can't beat them on their own pitch every year !
Everton have been playing quite well this season, and you could argue were in a false position until yesterday. Unfortunately, we have not played well in any game so far - apart from the only battling performance this season against Arsenal.
Liverpool fans, please think on - this is the start of something good, not the end for LFC.
RH did say to look at the table after 10 games, so let's see. Just say we managed somehow to get 6 points from the next 2 games, we may move up the table a bit, but importantly, the confidence will improve.
Although the team is playing badly, I definately saw an improvement from Meireles, who looks like he could be a decent offensive player for us, but he is another one who hardly did any tackling back at all yesterday. I think that is one of our problems - we do not have a real ball winner in the middle now. Cole can't tackle, Lucas can't (or he gives too many free kicks away when he tries), and even Konchesky is not a good tackler. I won't even go there with Poulsen !
The problem is we can more or less forget the Jnuary transfer window, because no clud will release any decent players then.
The thing is NESV stated they are looking at a 2-3 year timescale before we see any major improvement, and I believe that is about right.
KBL
18 Oct 2010 13:53:26
At present as fans we can see the league table and have witnessed the performances. Yes we could sit and say 1 win will take us up the table. Where is this win coming from I can't see it. The longer we go without winning the clubs above stretch the points gap. We then need 2 wins then 3 wins to move out of relegation trouble. This situation is real and RH all smiles at the end of the derby was a disgrace
This can't go we need results. We need a manager with backbone. The bottle to draft in players like Kelly, Pacheco, Amoo, Shelvey.
Is Dalglish the answer short term? possibly based on the fact he knows the club inside out and knows the players that are out on the pitch. He also knows the players come through the academy
18 Oct 2010 13:51:57
Ended up at the bottom end of the league and it wasn't your fault. Yes! "We use to go to the champions league every year, the previous board gave us the wrong management;the wrong amount of money and we tumbled off the ladder" Well no need to worry Liverpool fans at Crying Shame Direct, we guarantee that we will let you blame anyone and everyone for your misfortune and we will back you all the way to the Championship and below. Contact are claims line now on 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0.
*Now that's what I call Banter* Brilliant!
18 Oct 2010 13:51:26
Remember when Torres first arrived. Defenders hit him in full flight and he bounced off them and left them in his wake. Compare that with his play now, as soon as he is touched by a defender he either stops running or compalins about the physical contact. Someone needs to remind Nando that he can beat any defender on his day and he needs to regain the ability to shrug off challenges.
Another thing. . has anyone else noticed how long it takes our defenders to move the ball from defence to midfield, at least a minute or two every time after a few sideways passes, which always seem to be passed to the rear of the player forcing him to turn his back to the opposition to collect. How I miss Alonso.
18 Oct 2010 13:49:31
How sad are those tosser's down the road, Liverpool have been the Headline focus of media attention for the past week(s) for obvious reasons, but as usual, they pull out all stops, phone all their "payroll" journalists to create a "story" just so they can attract backpage coverage in a lame attempt to "challenge" us - they just can't handle anybody other then themselves commanding attention!
Wayne, tidy up the caravan, call up Ronaldo's "seconds" (tranny's as well), ask for the plain Jane with the ashtray strapped to her back, and "dip" your way into oblivion - it's your money, have fun and waste it like Carroll the Lottery yob!
PS don't forget to buy ol' blue nose a case of Bell's on the way out!
18 Oct 2010 13:47:25
I wrote earlier this monring that we should get shot of Carragher, Torres and Gerrard.
I was a little surpirsed not to get a strong defence of them in the postings, which I put down to ambivalence or just being ignored. No matter - the only reason I know post again, is that we are still reading about who we need to buy and how we need to shuffle the pack and so on and on and on and on . .
We need MAJOR SURGERY
18 Oct 2010 13:46:53
Look Hodgson seems to playing the same formations that benitez did. He is a little ld yes and not qik to pull the trigger on a sub. But the players are playing absolutely horible. It is just as much their fault as it is Hogson's. They are one of the most boring teams to watch play. I don't like saying that but lets be truthful on this huh. . If the owners say they will stick with the coach then they will stick with the coach. Hog is going no where so the players better pick up their play.
18 Oct 2010 13:42:42
Ended up at the bottom end of the league and it wasn't your fault. Yes! "We use to go to the champions league every year, the previous board gave us the wrong management;the wrong and amount of money and we tumbled off the ladder" Well no need to worry Liverpool fans at Crying Shame Direct, we guarantee that we will let you blame anyone and everyone for your misfortune and we will back you all the way to the Championship and below. Contact are claims line now on 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0.
18 Oct 2010 13:36:05
18 Oct 2010 12:02:53
Did anyone else notice at yesterdays game the back four continually passed the ball to each other and when it eventually ended up with carragher he either lost it or launched it as far away as possible.
I know carragher is a liverpool lad and wears his heart on his sleeve but he is simply useless. I can remember when he first started out in the liverpool team they played him at right back and he was terrible, he had no pace and awfull ball distribution so he was moved to centre half. At centre half he very rarely wins a header either in our box defending or attacking a corner and how many times has he collided with his own defenders some times injuring his own players (skrtel, agger etc). Any fast striker/ winger absolutely toasts him, remember tierry henry amongst others making a fool of him.He simply resorts to fouling them every time. Also i think he's scored more own goals than goals.Carragher is a liability and needs to be axed.
Rant over.
The truth.
Without Carra in the team we wouldn't have won the champions league he gives everything your singleing out only a few performances on someone that has played over 500 games for us stopped us conceading so many times! what happended to a team full of carraghers cos i for one think there is no other player in the epl that wears his heart on his sleave as much as Carra does!
18 Oct 2010 13:35:50
It would appear that plenty of fans would be happy to see the back of Fernando Torres, and whilst it is plain to see that he isn't performing to the best of his abilities (some may argue he simply isn't performing - period!), surely some of the blame has to be attributed to his team mates and their equally underperforming antics, together with a complete lack of funds at the start of the season in order to enhance the quality of the squad.
As good as Nando is (even at the peak of his game), he could never beat four defenders and still score, and basically this is what he is currently expected to do.
I can't believe any real supporter or persons with half a footballing brain could not see we would struggle again this year, maybe not to the extent we currently find ourselves but struggle nonetheless. We finished seventh last year and the playing level of the squad is really no different, arguably worse.
We basically replaced Benayoun with Joe Cole, a player who can play either side of midfield but is not entirely comfortable playing there, in truth he is a "luxury" player who needs to be played in a free "floating" role and even then have things go his way, so no real improvement.
We lost Mascherano, well he wanted to leave, and we tenuously replaced him with Poulsen, a player who was struggling cumbersomely in Serie A but is now expected to play in a faster league and do the same or an improved job. Factor in that with Mascherano's departure Lucas' position within the squad became "stronger" (less options) , a definite lessoning of quality on both fronts.
Riera left and Jovanovic has arrived, but he appears to be another plodder, incapable, or not instructed to play down the line, quality level the same, or when Riera was on song, arguably less.
Meireles looks a decent player, and time will tell if he can come to grips with the robust pace of the Premiership, but could the same have been said of Aquilani, an outgoing player who we never ever really go to see - quality level at this stage, for me the same.
Gerrard and Carragher are another season older, and given the way they play (all in) their mobility is vital, unfortunately for Jamie I think he has lost a yard of pace (noticeably on the decline two years ago) and if his legs have gone, then so has our defence . . and from what has been displayed so far this season it would look as if our defence has gone.
Rafa gone, replaced with Roy; as much as I like Roy Sundays inability to make substitutions immediately after Everton's second goal (or even prior) had gross similarities with Rafa and his indecisive and conservative nature.
I could go on but the mediocrity is there to see, as was definitely the obvious, and apparent case on Sunday (you didn't need Sky's 3D coverage for that), I just hope that NESV know enough about football (not that they would need to), and have deep enough pockets in order to reslove the current debacle.
18 Oct 2010 13:35:03
I feel Liverpool need another striker - someone experienced who can play on their own or alongside Torres. For me Miroslav Klose is the answer, although not first choice at Bayern - he would be excellent at Liverpool. We have been linked with Mario Gomez-but he is not of the standard of Klose. In the Ed's thinking that Kevin Davies would be a good signing - i don't think he carries enough of a goal threat - Darren Bent would be a great signing - but would be expensive at least £18m. Against Everton we were bossed out of the game by Everton's greater fight and physicality. For me Lassana Diarra is a must-buy player! Young, Quality experienced in the PL, home-grown and better than Poulsen and Lucas combined! Another player i would look at is Charles N'Zogbia. I'm not expecting NESV to splash £20-30m on 5-6 players - but N'Zogbia could offer genuine width and at a fairly reasonable price-£7-10m - a cheaper alternative to dream signing Juan Mata- who would cost well in excess of £20m
{Editor's Note: There has been a lot of discussion about Lass Diarra. I just want to say that he comes with very considerable baggage I really would advise against such a player.}
18 Oct 2010 13:32:59
This is the poorest Liverpool Team I have seen in years, admitedley they are rather frustraiting to follow at times. I know the players must take some resposibility but these are world class players, the only other conclusion is the manager and the system being played and again i admit i can not see what he is doing wrong, but he is wrong, thought it when he became the manager. To be honest I would ratehr Benitez back.
18 Oct 2010 13:32:24
This is the poorest Liverpool Team I have seen in years, admitedley they are rather frustraiting to follow at times. I know the players must take some resposibility but these are world class players, the only other conclusion is the manager and the system being played and again i admit i can not see what he is doing wrong, but he is wrong, thought it when he became the manager. To be honest I would ratehr Benitez back.
18 Oct 2010 13:32:13
OMG roy isn't goin nowere it took bloody a whole season and to get rid of rafa we aint no chelsea who will sack 4 top managers in one season roy willl stay and will play negative football and make liverpool fail to reach champs leage n will finish low in the table he is worser then benitez come on roy resign you ugli gorilla lfc 4 life
18 Oct 2010 13:31:24
Hiddink has to be the number one choice, best at getting the players confidence and team play up
Desperatly need some wingers and another striker
Jan buys:
Hangeland/ Srna/ Taiwo
Aquilani(loan return)/ L.Diarra(ballwinner, prem experience)
Turan/ Bastos/ Pastore/ Sanchez
Dzeko/ Aguero/ Llorente
- - - - - - - - - - -Reina/ Jones- - - - - - - - - - -
Srna/ J'son-Carra/ Agger- -H'land/ Skertel-Taiwo/ Konches
- - - - - - - - - - Diarra/ Lucas- - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - Gerrard/ Shelvey- -Merieles/ Cole- - - - - - -
Pastore/ Sanchez- - - - - - - - - - - - -Turan/ Bastos
- - - - -Torres/ Llorente/ Dzeko/ Aguero/ Babel- - - - -
18 Oct 2010 13:28:39
{Editor's Note: Aquilani wanted to leave in any case. Roy Hodgson did make efforts to bring in a striker in the last few days of the window but was unlucky.}
in response to this ed why do you think he was unlucky think everybody as known for a long long time liverpool need strikers roy knew this when he took the job so should have bought somebody alot earlier in the summer NOT left scrambling around in the last few days of the transfer window
also he bought poulson in plenty of time so why not a forward
{Editor's Note: I cannot answer as to the timing aside from suggesting that the sale of Mascherano was key to bringing in a striker. The signing of Christian Poulsen was entirely beyond my comprehension.}
18 Oct 2010 13:28:26
18 Oct 2010 13:06:05
Why was Glen Johnson out of the squad yesterday? {ed's note - he withdrew with a thigh injury.}
Nothing in the "being naughty' rumours then? just blue noses spreading lies?
18 Oct 2010 13:26:18
After yesterdays defeat to Everton Roy Hodgson has received widespread support from fans appealing to the American owners to have faith in Roy until the end of the season at least, stating that this kind of LFC management is exactly what their club needs. Unfortunately these were Everton fans! What do you think? ?
18 Oct 2010 13:23:46
Will you be selling them at the Hawthorns yourself? most likely if the brom want to keep with tradition
Liverpool new moto;To the Championship and below. By the way I don't support the Baggies, it was one of your deluded fans who used West Brom as an example; not me. It just shows how low your club has fallen, free fall is right with no parachute.
"Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor."
"Aim for the skirtingboards and end up in the cellar"
18 Oct 2010 13:11:39
Really don't understand why Roy can't see what everyone else can? We need width! Johnson midfield.
Kelly is great! Wilson WAS great for Rangers - why overlooked?
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Wilson
Johnson Gerrard Merieles Ince
Torres Cole
Sub's: Suso, Ayala, Lucas, Amoo & Pacheco
18 Oct 2010 13:01:34
If we protest to sacking roy at anfield vs blackburn the owners will take notice.
Just imagine , if we draw or even lose, the booing would be sooooo loud the owners must act there and then. And would sack hodgson
Harry5
I bet f you booed loud enough the owners would sack him on the spot. . .infact i bet if you shouted fight, fight, fight. .then Mr Henry might start a big fight with Roy. . Get A grip. .or i'll ring the welfare and tell em your waggin it. .
18 Oct 2010 13:00:04
Hi juust, thought I remind my feLlow red that RH said judge me after 10 games
18 Oct 2010 13:00:01
Whether we like it or not, only a few of our first team players would get into the squads of our challengers squads – Reina, Gerrard, Meireles, Torres, Agger, Kuyt and Johnson. A major overhaul of our squad is needed in order to get the best out of the players we have.
If I was Roy Hodgson now I would be using a 4-3-3 similar to Chelsea in order to get the best out of our players.
GK – Reina
Defence - Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Aurelio
Midfield – Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas (holding, similar to Mikel's role)
Attack – Torres, Pacheco (wide right until Kuyt returns), and Babel - wide left
Bench – Jones, Skrtel, Kelly, Shelvey, Cole, Suso, N'Gog
This season all our players – bar Reina (naturally!) are horribly out of form.
Legend that he may be, how can Jamie Carragher justify having a contract until 2013, he is barely keeping pace now – and with his lack of pace our defensive line is far too deep. Glen Johnson needs to begin showing that he is a £17m player. Christian Poulsen needs to look like a footballer, Lucas needs to pass forwards, Joe Cole needs to justify why he commands £100k/ week-money Chelsea with Roman's money weren't prepared to pay. Fernando Torres needs to be fit! He looks scared to push himself in case he gets injured again – and against Everton he looked unfit.
But most importantly Roy Hodgson needs to stop kidding himself! If the 2nd half vs Everton was our best period under his stewardship – his age is catching up with him. In all my time as a Liverpool fan, I haven't seen us play such uninspired, inept performances in my time. Ian Holloway at Blackpool is playing football I can only dream of us playing at Anfield, with players individually wouldn't get in the Liverpool side – maybe Charlie Adam instead of Lucas. I'm not saying we should get Holloway, but Hodgson with a much better squad and his "standing" in the game should at least be able to play good football. King Kenny is not the answer to our problems – it will be tough for him to take over the day to day running of the team – but he should be more involved – maybe part time.
18 Oct 2010 12:44:08
18 Oct 2010 12:31:06
18 Oct 2010 12:11:09
That does not mean season- its calendar year and Roy will be ousted after Xmas so that they can find a new manager, and offer them a transfer kitty of allegedly 40k (plus cash from player sales).
LOL 40 GRAND NESV ARE SO GENEROUSE LMAO
(( ha what a numpty, well i supppse we could sign a blackpool player with that. Which could be a good thing
Harry5
Or Westbrom would probably take 40k for brunt
18 Oct 2010 12:40:08
I am somewhat ambivilent about roys chances of remaining liverpool manager. part of me wants him to remain because that historically just isn't the liverpool way. to sack a manager this quickly. However. it wasnt just the fact that we lost to everton. it was the manner in which we lost. and listening to roys comments afterwards. .i was screaming at him on the telly to change things around, but he stood their with his chin in his hands for ages.
I understand and agree that this year has to be one of consolidation, of trying new things, but it seems that sometimes roy has been watching a different match to me. .I can cope with losing ( i don't like it but i can cope) if we at least try. if we play attractive football. we don't seem to be doing anything like that at the moment
I really think roy has a limited amount of games left to prove that he can manage a big club, i wouldn't be happy giving him a big budget to get new players in under present performances.
please please please not steve mclaren! anyone but that!
chris 1
18 Oct 2010 12:39:57
Ed you have sources within the club do you not? What is the word around the club with regards to roys future there must be something being said, i refuse to believe that no one has spoken to the owners with regards to a new man at the helm! If the new owners want to make a statement to the fans they should get us a top class manager we can all get behind and maybe finally start making some progress
P.s i can't help but think it could of all been so different if we could of seen out the last minute against arsenal. . Ah well can't dwell on the past
{Editor's Note: One of the other Ed has specific sources within the club and I am sure would share anything of note with us. However, typically, everyone would be down about the loss but we are at the start of a new era and people will be looking forward.}
18 Oct 2010 12:39:45
2008-2009 season we played great football we held the ball for long periods , played the ball into feet , solid in defence and strong in attack , i know we lost xabi after that but surely the same logic applies on the pitch , what u think ed where did we lose that style on our way to the position we find ourselves in today?
{Editor's Note: It was the style of football Benitez wanted that led to the "way" being lost.}
18 Oct 2010 12:37:57
We are going to struggle to get a big name manager. Why not take a chance on the managers doing well in England, Di Matteo plays nice attractive football (like we used to) and Holloway gets the best out of average players (we have plenty of those). Your thoughts Ed.
{Editor's Note: Somewhere futher down the page I have provided my thoughts on this already, but I think it is too early to be sacking the manager. I would see it through to January and then reconsider. Ideally, it would be nice to get through to the end of the season without any major changes - and without relegation of course.}
18 Oct 2010 12:35:47
If we protest to sacking roy at anfield vs blackburn the owners will take notice.
Just imagine , if we draw or even lose, the booing would be sooooo loud the owners must act there and then. And would sack hodgson
Harry5
{Editor's Note: And then we could do the players we want to get rid of one by one. Perhaps one a week through January?}
18 Oct 2010 12:35:16
Just on my lunch in work and i walked past the liverpool studios, skysports camera crew r outside.
Anything been on ssn Ed?
Rez
{Editor's Note: I have no idea - why don't you check their website.}
18 Oct 2010 12:34:54
Ed please give me your opinion on this but i believe liverpool must try to invest in young good players, and as we saw on in the worldcup chile played very attacking futbol which is needed in the epl and they play the wings very well i believe sanchez isla from udinese would be good for the team and i also believe roy was looking in at gary medel a CDM which i think could be better then Mashh
{Editor's Note: Liverpool have invested in good young players - Shelvey, Pacheco, Amoo, Wilson. The problem is that they are not getting much of chance or, to be fair, need a little longer. Sanchez and Isla are good players by contracted until June of 2014 and 2015 with not insignificant valuations. They would be difficult to attract to England and there may well be language problems. As such, pretty high risk. There are no shortages of CDM at the club already.}
18 Oct 2010 12:33:39
I agree Sammy Lee is a waste of space
18 Oct 2010 12:31:06
18 Oct 2010 12:11:09
That does not mean season- its calendar year and Roy will be ousted after Xmas so that they can find a new manager, and offer them a transfer kitty of allegedly 40k (plus cash from player sales).
LOL 40 GRAND NESV ARE SO GENEROUSE LMAO
(( ha what a numpty, well i supppse we could sign a blackpool player with that. Which could be a good thing
Harry5
18 Oct 2010 12:30:54
Ed quick question the reason aqua was sent on loan was because Roy did not think he was right for the team or up for it? Aqua was probably our best player towards the end of last season, and now fully fit I think he could of been a really decent player for us. We then could of used some of money we did have on decent striker to play up front with Torres. Now I know we did not have a lot of money but there was some money and instead we wasted it on poulsen and koncheskey.
I fell Roy is out of his depth a
{Editor's Note: Aquilani wanted to leave in any case. Roy Hodgson did make efforts to bring in a striker in the last few days of the window but was unlucky.}
18 Oct 2010 12:29:44
Dont you think we started getting worse when Sammy Lee arrived.
18 Oct 2010 12:29:15
40 grand? you think he will get a couple of players or will he blow it all on ken aguero? We have been watching him for a while and 40 grand we should have enough money to snatch him ;) lol
ha nice to see the humour never ends i needed a good laugh today
18 Oct 2010 12:25:52
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18 Oct 2010 12:19:45
Aha ha be honest with your self can you really REALLY see Liverpool going down its not arrogance just reality
Yes I can! Liverpool are in free fall, everyone can see that including your own players. Not to worry though you will be able to buy some nice pies in the championship.
Will you be selling them at the Hawthorns yourself? most likely if the brom want to keep with tradition
Liverpool new moto;To the Championship and below. By the way I don't support the Baggies, it was one of your deluded fans who used West Brom as an example; not me. It just shows how low your club has fallen, free fall is right with no parachute.
"Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor."
18 Oct 2010 12:19:45
Aha ha be honest with your self can you really REALLY see Liverpool going down its not arrogance just reality
Yes I can! Liverpool are in free fall, everyone can see that including your own players. Not to worry though you will be able to buy some nice pies in the championship.
Will you be selling them at the Hawthorns yourself? most likely if the brom want to keep with tradition
Liverpool new moto;To the Championship and below. By the way I don't support the Baggies, it was one of your deluded fans who used West Brom as an example; not me. It just shows how low your club has fallen, free fall is right with no parachute.
18 Oct 2010 12:19:13
40 grand? you think he will get a couple of players or will he blow it all on ken aguero? We have been watching him for a while and 40 grand we should have enough money to snatch him ;) lol
18 Oct 2010 12:18:20
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That does not mean season- its calendar year and Roy will be ousted after Xmas so that they can find a new manager, and offer them a transfer kitty of allegedly 40k (plus cash from player sales).
Wow realy so much, a whole 40 grand
Aha ha ha ha yipee were loaded ha ha
18 Oct 2010 12:09:31
I think roy needs to grow some balls , torres seems 2 not want 2 play 4 lfc or frustrated of lack of chances hes getting , if this was pacheco, ngog or any other striker they would be dropped , this is wear roy needs 2 grow balls and make hard decisions , drop torres , lucas, poulsen hate 2 say it carra to slow past his best , bring in the kids who are hungary to play and impress . and roy needs to play attacking football , defensive football does not work
18 Oct 2010 12:07:51
We need to replace lucas and poulsen with javi martinez and defour.
18 Oct 2010 12:04:06
Roy needs to go his tactics are all wrong and he is living in a bubble if he thinks we are improving! We are getting worse!
Time for a change and if we can't get hiddnk we should maybe try klinsman he has the right philosiphy and with out him the german team would of been in dire straights (like england) what are your thoughts ed? {ed's note - please not Klinsmann!}
18 Oct 2010 12:03:42
End of the woad for woy Im sorry to say. . .
It was a good idea but its now obvious to see he is out of his depth on this one.
He didn't defend Torres in the Fergie cheat storm, any wonder the lad has lost so much confidence, he has no support in Roys formations as Gerrard has to always drop deeper to make up for the lack of quality in midfield. Its a complete shambles.
I don't know what the answer is but these guys won't play for Hodgson that's for sure.
18 Oct 2010 12:03:36
Ed did you see aquilani play last night against lecce. he was superb . dribbling players. making runs. scoring. i think roy did a very big mistake by sending him to juventus should have given him time to settle . Cant wait to see him in red. AJI. {ed's note - he is too weak for the English Premier League, Serie A is totally different, I would rather see Pacheco play.}
18 Oct 2010 12:02:53
Did anyone else notice at yesterdays game the back four continually passed the ball to each other and when it eventually ended up with carragher he either lost it or launched it as far away as possible.
I know carragher is a liverpool lad and wears his heart on his sleeve but he is simply useless. I can remember when he first started out in the liverpool team they played him at right back and he was terrible, he had no pace and awfull ball distribution so he was moved to centre half. At centre half he very rarely wins a header either in our box defending or attacking a corner and how many times has he collided with his own defenders some times injuring his own players (skrtel, agger etc). Any fast striker/ winger absolutely toasts him, remember tierry henry amongst others making a fool of him.He simply resorts to fouling them every time. Also i think he's scored more own goals than goals.Carragher is a liability and needs to be axed.
Rant over.
The truth.
18 Oct 2010 12:00:24
Ed the player price drop is not the only thing . Agreed the player price drop will bring all teams in a level playing field as far as the transfer market is concerned. But by then I see us going further down unless the owners do somethin drastic about it. I wonder if in 2012 if we ll be in a state where we can hijack a chelsea , man u target to our club. Cos we would be down and the history will mean nothing then. Specially if gerrard who is growing older leaves. Or torres . You find the talents like aguero saying I would love to be playing with torres . Which means if we just needed the cash and we ll snatch him from chelsea's money grasp. But if torres leaves then its impossible. You don find many players saying I ll love to pair up with ngog!
Do you get my point ed?
Which is why I would have torres in my team even if he s playin s* t. Atleast till I get a better replacement for him.
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life! {ed's note - I would rather have a player like Aldridge who runs himself into the ground for the love of the shirt than a prancing Torres just because he might attract other players. I would rather follow Liverpool down than be held to ransom by these greedy grasping players with no love for anything other than money.}
18 Oct 2010 12:00:24
(to the chelsea fan)at least you have the guts to say alot of people come on this site and post their views but never say who they support, liverpool don't have the funds your club have but we have nearly no debt now and that's 25mil a year now that can go to rebuilding our club and come on if the likes of poulson was in your team would you not want rid?we had a virus in our club that's was killing lfc but the future now can only get better and it was a chelsea fan that had the cure so your not all bad:))
king henry
18 Oct 2010 11:59:42
Their team plays well together as they have a manager that suits them and they are content going up and down every season no value in club like that
What a load of rubbish is written on here. What would Liverpool give to have the spirit, passion and endeavour that West Brom have? This is the sort of arrogance that gets teams relegated and deservedly so.
Aha ha be honest with your self can you really REALLY see Liverpool going down its not arrogance just reality
Yes I can! Liverpool are in free fall, everyone can see that including your own players. Not to worry though you will be able to buy some nice pies in the championship.
Will you be selling them at the Hawthorns yourself? most likely if the brom want to keep with tradition
18 Oct 2010 11:59:24
I was intriued by this posting:
"Potential coaches:
Hiddink - my first choice but very unlikely
Rafa - impossible
Mourinho -too boring, impossible
Riikard - over rated but not bad
Ronald Koeman - interesteing possibility
Martin o neil - the people calling for him are probably the same people who said get rid of rafa and bring roy - my last choice
Slaven bilic - interesting possibility
Klinsman - messed up at bayern
Van Gaal - my second choice but impossible
Joachim Leow - my third choice
Kenny Dalglish - tempting but too risky
pellegrini -hell no
juande ramos - hell no
if unable to get a world class coach we should take a risk and get valencias coach. .don't know his name
What about Michael Laudrup or Van Basten?
MON deff no no. . "
There were many of us who said Roy Hodgson was NOT the man for the club. These comments fell upon deaf ears and rightly so. The internal management of the club make up their mind and we have to trust in them. Sadly Roy Hodgson is floundering and it was painful to watch his perfomance on the sidelines yesterday. He looked clueless (body language) and forlorn; this is how Torres and Gerrard look.
I wrote a few weeks back that it would be sensible to clear out and get rid of both Torres and Gerrard and start again. Cue howls of derision from posters who see both as icons and like Carragher, essential to the future of the club. Time to get real boys for the following reasons:
1. We are at the bottom of the league.
2. We will probably finish around 8/ 9th this season if we have some luck.
3. Gerrard is into his 30s.
4. Carragher heading the same way and even slower than last season.
5. Torres is unhappy and even with another front running partner may have passed the 'love affair with Liverpool' stage.
Therefore getting rid of these guys is not the crime it might have been two or three years ago. Gerrard will not go on forever. Nor will Carragher - he would be on the bench for many games at a club like Man.Utd or Arsenal.
This is the IDEAL time to get rid of them and start to rebuild. There will be howls of anger and derision again, but sell them now and start again. We are all talking about a mass clear out; this means a lot of players. Why rebuild around a man who wants to go (Torres), a central defender that is slowing and getting old (Carragher), a captain that is into his 30s and despondent about the way we play (Gerrard) and still believe that a rebuild can be achieved within a season?
We are heading for oblivion until we rebuild, so take a severely sharp knife to the squad and do a COMPLETE rebuild. We wouldn't want to do it if Torres, Carra, Gerrard and Cole were playing brilliantly and we were fifth or sixth with a chance of the title or getting into Champions' League. This is the IDEAL time to start again. We can only go up. In three years time Gerrard and Carragher will be very fond memories and Torres will be back in mainland Europe. And where will the club be?
Unless we do something dramatic and drastic, we will be mired in the midtable or bottom part of the League. Don't tell me it can't happen when Leeds and Newscastle fell from grace, when Lyon are bottom of the French League, when Bayern are midtable and floundering and the once mighty Feyenoord are now considered a mid-table team at best.
To do this we need a manager without the mindset of a Premier League regular. Hiddink would do that and so would Klinsmann. They would not be my choices, but I feel they would look on Liverpool with a different set of spectacles - not rose tinted ones.
Final point guys: the new NESV owners will certainly have a new approach and clinging onto tradition and past glories is not in their make up. They want winners and so do I!
Steve Parker
18 Oct 2010 11:59:24
We need aqulani back, play him behind torres, gerrard & merelies in the middle, cole left, babel right, and have shelvey, pacheco, spearing etc on the bench, these lot couldnt do any worse!
18 Oct 2010 11:49:36
Their team plays well together as they have a manager that suits them and they are content going up and down every season no value in club like that
What a load of rubbish is written on here. What would Liverpool give to have the spirit, passion and endeavour that West Brom have? This is the sort of arrogance that gets teams relegated and deservedly so.
Aha ha be honest with your self can you really REALLY see Liverpool going down its not arrogance just reality
Yes I can! Liverpool are in free fall, everyone can see that including your own players. Not to worry though you will be able to buy some nice pies in the championship.
18 Oct 2010 11:49:24
In the mean time, he has to change formation. Cole must play behind torres in the hole. Give Babel a run on the right, he cannot be worse than Maxi. Stick Jovanovic on the left, or Aurelio to sure things up (if he is fit).
At last somebody speaking a bit of sense. .
Macca
18 Oct 2010 11:47:44
HI ED WELL I DONT KNOW WHOT 2 SAY NOT A GOOD SHOW FROM THE POOL WAS IT ED. I AM A VERY UPBEAT KIND OF BLOKE FOREVER RED TILL DEAD BUT. .WHOT DO U THINK ON ARE LITTLE GAFFA ED I DONT WANT 2 TURN IN 2 A HATER OF HIS BUT. . HE HAS 2 CHANGE THIS SOONER 4 ME ED WHEN WE WENT 2 DOWN HE STILL STOOD THERE AN JUST LOOKED LIKE HE DID NOT WANT 2 CHANGE A THING. I KNOW WE CAN PLAY BETTER THAN THIS ED I DONT THINK ARE OWNERS WILL STAND BY AN BACK HIM ED I CANT SEE IT. . ARE PLAYERS ARE NOT UP 4 IT AT THE MIN ED 4 ME TORRO DOES NOT WANT 2 BE THERE MIGHT BE TIME LET HIM GO AN MOVE ON.THE TEAM IS ALL OVER THE PLACE AT THE MO AN I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS. I SEE PLAYERS NOT UP 4 IT ON THE MONEY THERE ON THEY SHOULD GIVE THERE ALL 100% AN NO LESS THAN THAT WILL DO. I DONT THINK LITTLE ROY HAS THE MEAN SIDE OF A MANGER THATS NEEDED FOR THE FIGHT 2 WIN THE PLAYERS OVER LET THE BOYS HAVE IT DRESS EM DOWN (ROY) GET SOME BALLS. GOT 2 GIVE THE YOUNG ONES A GO FOR ME NOW FRESHEN THINGS UP WE HAVE 2. .WE HAVE LOTS OF PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGHT TO PLAY 4 US AN AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. ARE NEW OWNERS NEED A BIG CLEAR OUT OF DEAD WOOD AN I THINK THEY HAVE THERE WORK CUT OUT BIG JOB ON 2 TURN THIS ROUND. . ROY AN SAMMY LEE ARE GOING 2 GET THE PUSH 4 ME AN THAT HURTS 2 SAY THAT . SKY SPORTS ARE SAYING ARE OWNERS ARE TALKING TO LFC MPS AN FANS THATS GOOD 2 HEAR HANDS ON I HOPE. WELL LET SEE HOW THAT GOES WE CANT STAY LIKE THIS ED. COME ON THE POOL GET IT GOING WALK ON JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE. . . . . {ed's note - I think Roy is a good manager, but to win trophies on a regular basis in the top leagues you need a great manager.}
18 Oct 2010 11:42:43
Teams who sack or change managers tend to get relegated.; with the exception of Spurs who in truth had a better team all round than what we have now. We have to stick with Roy, he's the man for the job, there is no one better at this time for us. Keep the faith. .
18 Oct 2010 11:41:18
Well King Henry Im a CHELSEA FAN BORN AND BREED IN THE KINGS ROAD.
18 Oct 2010 11:40:55
You have 12 games a possible 36 points, between now and jan, if you lose a third of those points, it will mean you have dropped 30 points by jan, and that's being generous, you are going to be in an awful league possition in jan, I think you will only pick up 12 points before the window re-opens, that will be 18 points from 20 games, the league table never lies, Roys right as of last week you are in a relegation battle, if you don't have 26 or more points by jan, you will go down, so who will want to come in, and your intent is to sell half your team, to who?and for how much?THERE WILL BE NO REPRESENTATION FROM lIVERPOOL FC, in europe next season, you will be lucky to still be in the prem.
very intresting statement
18 Oct 2010 11:38:36
BBC said yesterday that hodgson was looking to sign Brunt for 9mil , if theres any truth to this Roy needs to walk now he can't be trusted with a deacent transfer kitty ffs you could buy the whole club of west brom for 9mil
The shame of this text is that what you say between the lines. If you think West brom are worth less than £9M, then Liverpool must be worth a lot less than that and Henry and his pals have been stitched up. West Brom are a better team than you.
Their team plays well together as they have a manager that suits them and they are content going up and down every season no value in club like that
What a load of rubbish is written on here. What would Liverpool give to have the spirit, passion and endeavour that West Brom have? This is the sort of arrogance that gets teams relegated and deservedly so. Aha ha be honest with your self can you really REALLY see Liverpool going down its not arrogance just reality
18 Oct 2010 11:32:25
Iverpool Rumour:
John Henry & Co are due back in the High Court in that London. They are trying to get there money back of RBS.
This is no JOKE! !
18 Oct 2010 11:29:53
You have 12 games a possible 36 points, between now and jan, if you lose a third of those points, it will mean you have dropped 30 points by jan, and that's being generous, you are going to be in an awful league possition in jan, I think you will only pick up 12 points before the window re-opens, that will be 18 points from 20 games, the league table never lies, Roys right as of last week you are in a relegation battle, if you don't have 26 or more points by jan, you will go down, so who will want to come in, and your intent is to sell half your team, to who?and for how much?THERE WILL BE NO REPRESENTATION FROM lIVERPOOL FC, in europe next season, you will be lucky to still be in the prem.
to the above
and who do follow my friend, your telling liverpool fans there is trouble times ahead but we already know this but we are liverpool fans through thick or thin LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL YNWA
king henry
18 Oct 2010 11:04:46
You have 12 games a possible 36 points, between now and jan, if you lose a third of those points, it will mean you have dropped 30 points by jan, and that's being generous, you are going to be in an awful league possition in jan, I think you will only pick up 12 points before the window re-opens, that will be 18 points from 20 games, the league table never lies, Roys right as of last week you are in a relegation battle, if you don't have 26 or more points by jan, you will go down, so who will want to come in, and your intent is to sell half your team, to who?and for how much?THERE WILL BE NO REPRESENTATION FROM lIVERPOOL FC, in europe next season, you will be lucky to still be in the prem.
18 Oct 2010 10:57:30
Sorry to say but Roy has got to go, I didn't think he should have been appointed in the first place but everyone deserves a chance. Roy has had a go but just not up to it, bring in Kenny to steady the ship until Jan and see how he does. Long term I think we need to be looking at Guus Hiddink. We need to do something fast because yes Roy this is a CRISIS! !
AROC
18 Oct 2010 10:56:16
I'd love to see Dalglish come in, perhaps for this season only, with a backroom of legends, such as Thommo, Aldo and what about Hyppia as defensive coach cause my God we need one. Kenny would have the respect of the players and we'd play more adventurous football, I think they'd die for for him. That would give us time to find a class, long term replacement
18 Oct 2010 10:54:35
I think Roy should realise we are not Fulham, We are LIVERPOOL. We as fans expect to play good football even if we do not win. Motivation is not there, we are not trying.
We need Kenny in charge stright away and play
players like Amoo and Wilson, Kelly and Shelvy.
coyr
18 Oct 2010 10:51:57
Liverpool Rumour:
John Henry & Co are due back in the High Court in that London. They are trying to get there money back of RBS.
18 Oct 2010 10:51:38
The new owners are meeting the fans representatives today from what i gather, please! please! Roy is not the man for Liverpool, by now his ideas could have been seen on the pitch but the way we are playing God knows where we will end up, ok we have a poor squad so has Blackpool and a few teams above us but these teams are able to play football and show commitment for the shirt. Where was the passion yesterday? and he is smiling after the full time whistle as if we have won and according to him that was our best perfomance since he came to the club. Why do we start playing after conceeding goals? No pressing forward at all in most games I have seen even at Anfield against Blackpool sitting deep. Teams are not scared of Anfield any you watch next home game. Get Rid Please and bring in someone who will start doing the basics and show pride for the shirt. The sooner this gets sorted the better, we are Liverpool football club! YNWA!
18 Oct 2010 10:46:38
Its time we as liverpool fans stop crying and start to back our team, when was the last time we chanted torres name i think torres and carra are feeling the pressure and that's why they had words and lets face it carra should not be playing at right back where was kelly on the bench when he should have been on the pitch he is the future, some of you might disagree but we have to stand together and show the team that we will fight and support them no matter what, are we not the 12 man, hogson needs to go it hurts me to say that because i think in different times he prob be good manger but can't take the pressure that's at the club at the min so its up to the owners and us as fans to lift some of that pressure from the players becuse if we don't believe how can the team. .
king henry
18 Oct 2010 10:40:37
BBC said yesterday that hodgson was looking to sign Brunt for 9mil , if theres any truth to this Roy needs to walk now he can't be trusted with a deacent transfer kitty ffs you could buy the whole club of west brom for 9mil
The shame of this text is that what you say between the lines. If you think West brom are worth less than £9M, then Liverpool must be worth a lot less than that and Henry and his pals have been stitched up. West Brom are a better team than you.
Their team plays well together as they have a manager that suits them and they are content going up and down every season no value in club like that
What a load of rubbish is written on here. What would Liverpool give to have the spirit, passion and endeavour that West Brom have? This is the sort of arrogance that gets teams relegated and deservedly so.
18 Oct 2010 10:39:23
Long time reader, lover of this site.
IF as has been written. That RH thinks that is best we have played yesterday? if that is acceptable. Then you are a disgrace! Shankly and Paisley the dynasty the built, everything they stood for, their memories, it is a disgrace to everything that was great about LFC. We were outfought, outplayed, technically inept, tactically inferior. There where players out there who just could not be arsed. People have lived and died following the red shirt of LFC and for you to reduce us to that is appaling. It grates on me as a supporter who has followed this great team for 46 years. You bring in dross, you sell off the family silver(youngsters) You do not play gifted talented yougsters who are crying out for a chance.Pacheco, Amoo, Etherington, Ince.Susa. Then you really do not understand what Liverpool Football Club is all about? Its history, its traditions, its a slap in the face to every supporter that pays good money to follow this great club.
18 Oct 2010 10:35:50
Chris {ed's note - he never got a decent pass in a dangerous area of the pitch, it is impossible to judge. The only thing that worried me was him arguing with Carragher, and basically telling him to shut up, when Carragher was telling him to get back and help defend. Though any team on as bad a run as ours is always going to be an unhappy one with bickering between players and cliques forming. But it is the manager's job to break up the cliques and get everyone working together to get us out of this hole.}
Carragher to be fair would argue with his own shadow, but it's not all doom & gloom about Torres! I love the player but even £40 million buys you 2 strikers. My main worry at the moment is getting to January with a fighting chance of doing anything this season. For that reason I would want Roy gone before then to give a new manager time to asses the situation. I mean did Roy not look at some old performances to see how bad some of these players are only to add 3 of his own (Poulson, Konchesky & Cole) to the problem.
Oh & add the Greek to my list of players who should be sold. £1.50 should be enough.
The Irish Rover {ed's note - I doubt we would only have to pay £1.50 to get rid of him, probably more like £1.5m to get someone to take him off our hands.}
18 Oct 2010 10:35:36
PAUL JEWELL. simple as. We won't be getting any big name manager except one who sees us a chance to earn big bucks in a short space of time, and the fact is we can't afford it, our new owners have made that clear. If were going to have to start again with a new manger, with a five year plan then I'll say it again. . . PAUL JEWELL.
18 Oct 2010 10:33:07
BBC said yesterday that hodgson was looking to sign Brunt for 9mil , if theres any truth to this Roy needs to walk now he can't be trusted with a deacent transfer kitty ffs you could buy the whole club of west brom for 9mil
The shame of this text is that what you say between the lines. If you think West brom are worth less than £9M, then Liverpool must be worth a lot less than that and Henry and his pals have been stitched up. West Brom are a better team than you.
Their team plays well together as they have a manager that suits them and they are content going up and down every season no value in club like that
18 Oct 2010 10:32:35
Every football fan in Europe wants Kenny Dalglish to be the next Liverpool manager. He would be an unmitigated disaster and would relegate your team to the championship. Honestly the amount of rubbish on here about King Kenny is unbelievable. Wake up before its to late. . .
18 Oct 2010 10:28:25
Do you think that any player or manager that's been mentioned, will risk there carreer by singing up for Liverpool, why should the current squad play with passion, you keep saying there sh* e and that they should be sold, who would buy them, at what cost, if there not good enough for Liverpool, then how much can you sell them for, you could still be in the bottom part of the table in jan, you could get relegated this season, things are that bad at Liverpool.
18 Oct 2010 10:26:26
I read this site often but have never posted, i'm from merseyside, have been a liverpool fan all my life and it breaks my heart to see us in the situation we're in. But . . . what upsets me more is reading posts made by loyal fans demanding liverpool, after only 8 league games in charge, do something (knee-jerk sackings) that has never been a part of our club. What's made us great and the envy of other clubs is our loyalty and closeness in troubled times, not jumping ship and calling for knee-jerk reactions when things aren't going well. Roy is a good manager and has proven his pedigree, he inherited an unhappy squad low on morale and low on quality, players leaving or wanting to leave, no money to bring in quality replacements, a boardroom in disarray and owners who had no right being anywhere near our great club. Things won't change overnight but with new owners, new players (in jan, hopefully!) and managerial stability we will be back. Roy's OUR manager so WE need to get behind him!
18 Oct 2010 10:25:08
No player in his right mind would risk joining Liverpool, you need at least 6 world class players.
How many world class players do Man Utd have or Arsenal for that matter? Good players are required, yes but it's not about spending £25 million on every position. Good coaching, team tactics, confidence & a desire to win are every bit as important. I still beleive a little bit of money & selling all the bad players ( which there's plenty ATM), some younger guns given a step up we would have a good squad. Oh and one last thing, a good manager, poor Roy is just like a rabbit in the head lights!
The Irish Rover
18 Oct 2010 10:23:55
The new owner is some how regretting his take over, £30 million for new players, Ha ha ha you need more like £300 million.
Lates hope that WOY takes you down.
18 Oct 2010 10:15:31
Ridiculous to start suggesting transfer targets now, we have to live with what we have until Jan. And what we have is a bunch of sulkers who are not prepared to dig in and work their way out of this mess. Confidence is shot, and I do blame Roy for some of that; his tactics are shambolic. The rot has set in. If roy cannot turn it around in 3 games, he has to go. I'm not sure who the best replacement is out there. .Rijkaard, Kenny, O'Neill? I would love to take Hiddink.
In the mean time, he has to change formation. Cole must play behind torres in the hole. Give Babel a run on the right, he cannot be worse than Maxi. Stick Jovanovic on the left, or Aurelio to sure things up (if he is fit).
Failure is not an option here.
18 Oct 2010 10:11:19
Jovanovic £4 million, Maxi £2 million, Babel £7 million, Poulson £3 million, Konchesky £2 million, Insua £5 million, Aqualaini £13 million, Johnson £14 million, Skertel £9 million = £59 million
So we sell all these players who just haven't cut the mustard at Liverpool for £59 million plus hopefully £20 million kitty which isn't too much to ask for!
First team players Gerrard, Torres, Kuyt, Agger, Reina, Meireles, Carragher
We have 7 reasonable good first team players & we buy good quality players with our £80 million kitty, maybe 5 or 6 players. A Centre forward, left back, Left Midfield, Right Midfield at least.
Squad players Ngog, Lucas, Kelly, Ayala, Pacheco, Mavinga,
Wilson, Shelvey, Joe Cole & Brad Jones
Now we have a squad of 21/ 22 players, with a mixture of
Youth, quality & Experience.
Looks easy when you type it down! Lol
The Irish Rover ( in not such a bad mood)
18 Oct 2010 10:09:47
"Aqualiani must have played a few games abroad by now, hows he getting on? lets get him back and give him a decent chance."
He's doing very well apparently but his problem here wasn't that he couldn't play - he can and did for the little time he played for us, nor was it the quality of his play - he is very very good and we saw flashes of that. It's just that he couldn't cope with the physical side of the Prem.
{Editor's Note: Aquilani has made it very clear to the Italian press that he would like the loan made permanent. He has also made it clear that his time here was not enjoyable and he really does not want to come back. On the good news side, his performances are pushing his value back up.}
18 Oct 2010 10:06:23
Unless we buy wingers we will never be successful again.
18 Oct 2010 10:05:50
I have not heard one LFC fan stating they won't Woy to carry on – this must be taken onboard by the owners and they must act know, get him out before his complete lack of tactical awareness does any more damage, any temporary coach will do for a couple of weeks whilst we tempt a top level manager to come in and sort Woys mess out
And poulsons sh$te
18 Oct 2010 10:04:43
"AYALA PLAYS FOR HULL SO IMPOSSIBLE START"
Ayala is a Liverpool player playing for Hull on loan and could be recalled.
18 Oct 2010 09:54:55
Aqualiani must have played a few games abroad by now, hows he getting on?? lets get him back and give him a decent chance.
Blackburn home. . MANAGER. . .DALGLISH
1. REINA
2.KELLY. . . . . . .CH
3.AGGER. . . . . . .CH
4.SKRTEL. . . . . . CH
5.AURELIO. . . . .LWB
6.JOHNSON. . . . RWB
7.MEIRELES. . . .CMR
8.GERRARD. . . . CM
9.TORRES. . . . . CF
10.JOVANOVIC. . CF
11.COLE. . . . . . .CML
12.CARRA
13.PACHECO
14.MAVINGA
15.LUCAS
16.JONES
17.ECCLESTONE
18.AMOO
18 Oct 2010 09:33:57
The question everyone should ask is if Fulham hadn't turned around that result against Juventus last season would Hodgson now have the job. These players are better than that display yesterday so it must be motivation and/ or tactics. He's the wrong man simples!
18 Oct 2010 09:23:23
I was out and unable to watch the game yesterdayso i recorded it but after hearing of the score decided not too watch it. Eds, ive heard we were poo, but keep seeing things regarding torres, whats your impressions of him yesterday, did he look like he couldn't be bothered? His mind was elsewhere?
Chris {ed's note - he never got a decent pass in a dangerous area of the pitch, it is impossible to judge. The only thing that worried me was him arguing with Carragher, and basically telling him to shut up, when Carragher was telling him to get back and help defend. Though any team on as bad a run as ours is always going to be an unhappy one with bickering between players and cliques forming. But it is the manager's job to break up the cliques and get everyone working together to get us out of this hole.}
18 Oct 2010 09:19:07
No player in his right mind would risk joining Liverpool, you need at least 6 world class players to get into the top 8 of the league, who will come in now?you have dropped 18 points already this season, by january you may have dropped at best another 15 points, how much will be spent in jan, £30-£40 mill, that will not buy you 6 world class players, who will want out, maybe 6 or 7 players, you need a new manager that's for sure, who will take the job on?more to the point who can take the job on?no team worrys about playing Liverpool now, that will take a long time to change, relegation beckons, and you believe that world class players will want to join you, no the truth is Liverpool are a spent force, Torres and Gerrards value has decreased dramatically, so how much will you get for the rest, if the players do get you up the table by jan, you still intend to sell a lot of them, thats why they don't play with passion.
18 Oct 2010 09:17:25
To the people who keep saying it was Rafa's fault NOT the owners. . . Sorry, but isn't it the owners who employ the manager?
Why didn't they sack him long before if he was going to cause as much damage, and bring in someone else? Rafa was the owners choice, and they therefore have to carry the blame for what has happened. End of!
18 Oct 2010 09:04:12
Once again, what has he(Hodgson) said, we were better. . When were we. . Thats the best he can do. . Only he can talk, as he has got nothing to deliver. . Roy should be sacked! Don't deserve more chances. .
What u think, ed?
{Editor's Note: You have not said what you would do next - no coach at all?}
I think we can get Pellegrini or King kenny. But I think Pellegrini would be the better choice, because King Kenny has not been managing for quite long, now! Ur thoughts on it, ed? {ed's note - I was keen on Pellegrini, but he can't speak English, I would prefer a coach who can speak English. I definitely don't want Kenny back in the role, it is too much of a risk for a man who has not been involved for so long.}
18 Oct 2010 08:58:38
Potential coaches:
Hiddink - my first choice but very unlikely
Rafa - impossible
Mourinho -too boring, impossible
Riikard - over rated but not bad
Ronald Koeman - interesteing possibility
Martin o neil - the people calling for him are probably the same people who said get rid of rafa and bring roy - my last choice
Slaven bilic - interesting possibility
Klinsman - messed up at bayern
Van Gaal - my second choice but impossible
Joachim Leow - my third choice
Kenny Dalglish - tempting but too risky
pellegrini -hell no
juande ramos - hell no
if unable to get a world class coach we should take a risk and get valencias coach. .don't know his name
18 Oct 2010 08:49:29
Roy has to take responsibility for the way we are playing. He is only making things worse by trying to persuade us that the team are playing well when we all know they are playing awfully.
We don't press any longer and therefore allow teams to come onto us. Interesting tactic. .but we do nothing with the ball when we have it. No creativity and no incision. Roys going to have to abandon fear (the old Rafa probs of being too defensive) and play his most attacking players if he wants to stay in his job.
I mean by this Babel has to have a chance on the right, Jovanovich plays left, Cole plays centrally behind and close to Torres, Gerrard plays in midfield next to Miereles or Spearing and then we only play 1 holding midfielder in either Poulsen (not great at all) or Lucas.
I honestly think Roy hasn't got a clue why we are playing so badly or how to fix the problem. I'm not one for knee-jerk reactions to sack the manager, but he may be a great bloke but the jobs too big for him.
18 Oct 2010 08:43:42
Simple as this:
Next game
Reina
Kelly ayala Agger mavinga
Johnsen Gerrard mereiles cole
Pacheco
Torres
Give this a try gotta give Torres support give roy 2 games with this fail and bye bye. Then bring in pelligrini jan will be a couple of little buys. Summer:
Outs - poulsen kuyt aqua maxi jov kyrakios
Ins - honda sanchez danns mata llorente taiwo nilmar
Line up -
Reina
Johnsen danns agger taiwo
Meriles Bangea Gerrard
Nilmar Torres Mata
Carra pacheco llorente lucas honda sanchez suso kelly mavinga Babel
Cole ayala
Bel you like unbel you don't like
18 Oct 2010 08:42:58
When roy was confirmed as our new manager like most i was sceptical but happy that we had appointed an english manager who could steady the ship.
But as time has gone on blackpool an the bluenoses especially he really looked completely out of his depth. at times on the sidelines he just looked like a lost school boy i mean why wait 70 minutes to try and change things any of us could see after the first half it wasnt working.
i wish roy all the best but i think now its time for someone who can step up to the plate
18 Oct 2010 08:28:39
I totally agree with anfieldpete. Its imperative to profit from our greatest assets-torres and stevie.
And we need to look at making it a 4man army from here.
Aguero or suarez will catch attention in asia for sure.
So will Honda, marko marin and Mata. 2 strikers and 3mids-arda, mata, honda, defour and benega, and maxwell. Makin it 8 signings. We need a minimum of 5 from these in jan. Who says the team needs to gel. Atleast these individual talents will bring us to top 8 by the end of season and would have played alongside each other for 6months so as to launch a title challenge next season.
The names I ve mentioned will surely help expand the fan base in india and asia. Mark my words.
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life!
18 Oct 2010 08:24:06
THE SPECIAL 1
i think he would only come if he wins the league at the end of the season.
he has a point to prove wants to win a league in spain but has said in the past he wants to build a club back to were they belong a new project hes done all what he wanted to do (PORTO . . WIN PREM WIN LEAGUE IN ITALY AND HOPEFULLY WIN WITH MADRID ) SO FINGERS CROSSED
WHAT A PROJECT NEW STADIUM DECENT TRANSFER KITTY EVERY YEAR AND A CHANCE TO HAVE HIS NAME IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS SHANKS PAISLEY THE KING. . . . . . AND MAYBE THE SPECIAL 1 . . . . . . . . .
18 Oct 2010 08:14:38
SWAP ROONEY FOR NANDO BUY GARY CAHILL 12 MIL PARKER 10 MIL AND LOAN BENZEMAR THEN NEXT SEASON AD A FEW MORE
REALISTIC TEAM FROM JANUARY
PEPE
KELLY CAHILL AGGER KONCHESKY
(TO END OF SEASON)
JOHNSON GERRARD PARKER J COLE
ROONEY
BENZEMAR
(LOAN TILL END OF SEASON)
WILSON
CARRA
MARELIS
BABLE
SHELVEY
KUYT
OH YER GET RID OF ROY HE LAUGHT ON THE FINAL WHISTLE YESTERDAY ALWAYS PRAISES THE OTHER TEAM INSTEAD OF HIS OWN AND HAS DEFO LOST THE PLAYERS
A GOOD IDEA SOMONE SAID YESTERDAY ROY KEANE WITH KING KENNY MAYBE SOMTHING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ED. . . . . . AND Y
{Editor's Note: Roy Keane is not a viable option.}
18 Oct 2010 08:10:42
Ed, when do you expect Roy to be sacked
{Editor's Note: I don't know but unless the results improve it won't be long.}
18 Oct 2010 08:06:30
Morning Ed. First of all great work last week and hope you had a relaxing weekend after the nail biatin conclusion to our sale. So the good news is the new owners. Sadly the bad news is that another weekend goes by and its another p*ss poor performance. Roy always said give him about 10 games and then judge him. So Sorry Roy you seem a nice bloke but your out of your depth. YOU'VE GOT TO GO! !. Why?
A. There's no passion in the team and that starts with the manager if you can't get it across to the team you're not doing your job
B. Poor buys. Konchesky is good enough for Fulham he's nowehere near good enough for us. I look forward to seeing a fit and health Fabio and left back soon. Poulsen is a slow poor mans Lucas Leiva and we all know how much reds love him!
C. Tactics. What are they? where are they? There's no width in the team
D. Players being played out of position . Ie Carragher at fullback, Cole - left side of mf. He's always said he wants play behind the striker. And Meireles you bought him but don't know where to play him?
E. You don't seem to want to give young players a chance. Why didn't Kelly play at right back yesterday? Where's Pacheco gone?
If we lose against Napoli on Thursday and Blackburn Sunday do us all a favour and go.
So rant over. If anyone has read the above do you agree he should go?
RedDan
18 Oct 2010 08:03:21
Cant think of anything to say today other than "What H$cking Planet is Hodgson when he considers anything about yesterday was acceptable"
18 Oct 2010 07:59:21
Lets face it nando wants out and now rooney wants out of united but would prefre to stay in the north west so y not swap i bet stevie and carra would do that deal every day of the week at the minute or atleast sell him to barca and then buy rooney please name another striker ED whoS nearly as good as nando and whos availible
FORGET WHO HES PLAYED FOR AND BASS THIS QUESTION ON HIS WORLD CLASS TALENT THAT IS AVAILIBLE OH YER HES STILL YOUNG
18 Oct 2010 07:53:37
Lets not forget Roy said judge me after 10 games and i intend to! Ill give him my support until then.
I hope in the meantime NEVS work with the board in identifiying a long term quality manager.
I don't care who it is as long as it someone who knows how to win trophies.
Lets see in 2 games time, my guessing 2 draws and Roy will walk alone!
Us fans on the other hand never walk alone - keep the faith!
18 Oct 2010 07:28:43
In response to THISLIVERPOOLFANLOVESTYPING.
Great story. . But you seem to forget there are major competitors for all the names you ve suggested but for may be benega or arda.
Benega mite prefer playing for valencia than to come here.
I would prefer gomez on loan, play him alongside torres.
Buy arda and honda in Jan.
These should help torres stay at any cost.
Next season bring in aguero, mata affelay, gomez if he performs during the loan period.
I wish hodgson is replaced by daglish or hiddink or a spanish manager.
We need someone who ll attract the likes of mata here. And the spanish system Is the way forward. Although rafa was an exception. I liked his attacking style in the season when we came 2nd. We scored goals at will. But don't know what happened to him after that.
Ed. Your comments on the above views of mine pls.
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life!
Ps. Have faith. The reds will rise like the phoenix
{Editor's Note: It is just fantasy football though - there will not be the money to spend more than £100M on players.}
18 Oct 2010 07:03:05
After yesterday's performance on the pitch, Hodgson's fate is sealed. i was told before the takeover that any new owner will most likely want their own man, and that this would happen in January, however, Roy would be given a fair chance, well, its safe to say that he blew his fair chance.
If FULHAM finish above us. .it will be a SLAP in the face.
The team didn't look sure of itself or confident, kept making nervous errors and were tactically poor, with the lads only finding any passes at the back. Going forward, we were great in the last 30 mins of the game, but what do you expect when things become that desperate? Liverpool should be playing at that level consistently for 90+ mins!
from a big club, we have fallen to the point where our manager is 'happy with a point' most of the time. It is safe to say that Roy is a coach past his best. His mentality is better suited to a smaller club with less ambition. .or retirement. If he has any grace he will resign in January.
Karma Biting back!
You reds remember Rafa? well, this season is karma for letting go of a coach who had to deal with the Americans for 5 years, and who couldn't even get the first choice players that he wanted in his last two seasons.
Babel is still here because a lot more people than Rafa saw and still see potential, hey. .even Wenger sees his potential.
Lucas is getting better all the time and has been excellent in some games. .Roy could have let him go and bought another attacker after signing Merelles and Poulsen for midfield, but kept Lucas after watching him.
Torres was Rafa's best buy, and the player himself attributed his improvement over two years to Rafa on numerous occasions. .even Gerrard praised him. .
Lets face it, these people were just waiting and pining to get rid of Rafa after only ONE bad season. .I think that was wrong and i hate to say it but LFC are paying for it. All these pundits are creeps, they only want conflict to talk about!
Lets hope everyone shows the same lack of patience for a tactically and creatively clueless coach that Roy is (since he has been with us), that they did for Rafa.
I will die a red, but if this goes on for another game i will stop watching matches. I want to follow Inter and Barca. . FAR more entertaining and nearly not as heartbreaking.
I want to see KING KENNY in charge from now until January. He's been around the club and knows what is going on. .he won't be a bad option and maybe a moral booster. .Lord knows the lads need that. .
Or i think we should wait out this season (with an interim manager. .not ROY) and then next summer try to get Jose and give him his Perm league return. .Let him convince Torres and Gerrerd to stay (which is unlikely with Roy) and then give his a 100 million kitty next summer.
Disappointed red.
Signing off
{Editor's Note: And where will the £100M come from?}
18 Oct 2010 06:22:56
There are several, who say Torres is not happy. Blah, blah, blah. . Can u tell me, how can one be happy, when he wants to play the bal;l in dangerous areas and there is no one who can deliver it. . At goodison, he was good but once again, where are those supporting characters?. .
18 Oct 2010 06:17:40
Once again, what has he(Hodgson) said, we were better. . When were we. . Thats the best he can do. . Only he can talk, as he has got nothing to deliver. . Roy should be sacked! Don't deserve more chances. .
What u think, ed?
{Editor's Note: You have not said what you would do next - no coach at all?}
18 Oct 2010 05:46:37
I think it's hard to give Roy more time.
Mourinho is my favourite for the job but I doubt he'd take it.
So option 2.
Bring in Dalglish and also form a bootroom. Hypia, Fowler, Carragher, Gerrard and Hamman to learn and become the future of Liverpool. Dalglish is worth a second chance I feel
{Editor's Note: ... 19 years after he left?}
18 Oct 2010 04:33:22
Have you guys noticed how much this guy Martin Samuel (of the Daily Mail) is kicking the club when it's already on the ground. Now I don't mind criticism at all, and I personally think that constructive criticism is better then blind praise, but this guy has just been churning our the most hateful articles week-in-week-out. .pointing out the obvious and trying effortlessly to spread his pessimism about the club. I ask for all fans to remain faithful and keep this guy's name in mind, for he will be the same person who will be singing praises about the club when it gets to where it deserves to be. .at the top.
Keep the faith.
YNWA
Peace and Love from a Kenyan in Ontario.
18 Oct 2010 04:05:45
Roy may be a decent guy and did quite a good job at Fulham but remember his time at Blackburn. They got relegated! He lost his plots with the squad. I can't believe that we lost to the likes of Blackpool at HOME! The defence is no longer formidable as before. The midfield is running around aimlessly. No use in blaming the previous owners when Rafa pissed off Alonso and other players.We need a manager who can blend the players into what we were during the 80's. We need Guus Hiddink, Luis Aragones or Mourihno if we can persuade and afford them. As for the strikers, we need players like Forlan, Suarez, Aguero or even Crouchie. Bring back Alonso and wingers like Young, Lennon, Downing. Change the manager before it is too late.
18 Oct 2010 03:38:27
How many more dropped points before we realise that Roy Hodgson isn't the new Messiah ?
How much longer do we pay Sammy Lee wages to assist in this mediocrity ?
Who, of our current crop of crap, is actually indispensable?
Who are our talent scouts ?
Why do we think Skrtl, Carragher, Agger, Aurelio, Krygiakos, Johnson and Konchesky are defenders? None of these players would get into any other Prem team.
How many chances do we give Lucas Leiva to prove he's a Brazilian wonderkid?
Why haven't we got a single world-class goalscorer in the entire squad?
Why do we need a 60,000 seater stadium when we are struggling to even draw games?
Why don't we just start all over again from scratch?
We could re-form under a different name and have it written into our constitution that we'll never again sell our soul.
Balls to the outsiders. Let's begin again and, propelled by our fan-base, storm from Conference to Premiership in record time without foreign moneygrabbers
Let's face it, we don't actually enjoy what we are being subjected to every week do we? We resent giving 3 or 4 year contracts at £60,000+ a week, every week regardless of how crap they are, while we go to work for peanuts by comparison just to put fuel into their Bentleys.
Fernando Torres is a nice lad who used to love Liverpool and was feted by the fans. He was modest but enjoyed the adulation and expected medals.
The lad could've been the big pin-up. His profile globally could have been absolutely massive for us. The Asians would've creamed themselves and the cash-register would've worked overtime. Nando knew this, his agent knew this and we have blown it big time.
I will go against every single instinct in my body and say that the only real hope Liverpool Football Club has of maintaining it's reputation is to cash in on it's assets. Torres and maybe Gerrard are both David Beckham as far as Asia is concerned. They love them.
Let's face it, we've got nothing else!
In the meantime I would strongly urge the board to get rid of Hodgson. When did he last win an away game with anybody? The bloke's mediocre.
anfieldpete.
18 Oct 2010 03:27:25
So Roy Hodgson gone out to do a little jan-shopping. He wants a decent centre back so is looking at Fernando Amorebieta for 10m form Athletic Bilbao
He is also after a Right back cover which will let johnson play in midfield and has been looking at Mathieu Debuchy as a Right back from Lille
He still wants a winger and if liverpool really have a bit of money to spend then he is after Bayer Leverkusen Winger Renato Augusto.
He has also been looking at Roma striker Adriano to move liverpool. Seems adriano is unhappy at roma at the moment, he bad mood and form would fit in well with our own rejects.
He is really hot on Lacina Traoré as second striker. from CFR Cluj
18 Oct 2010 02:47:43
I think we shud start from scratch with this team:
reina (gk)
contrao (rb)
Bastos (lb)
cahill (cb)
shawcross (cb)
gerrard (cm)
defour (cm)
arda (rw)
sanchez (lw)
benzema (st)
torres (st)
subs
jones
carragher
Kelly
jones (blackburn def)
konchesky
amoo
ince
shelvey
suso
wickham (Ipswich)
silva
coady
wisdom
ngoo
Stirling
meireles
n the ones I haven't mentioned should all be sold!
& as u can c from most of the back ups I have chosen would count as homegrown aswell, so it would put us in goodstead for the future! !
Wot do you think?
18 Oct 2010 02:13:40
OK i missed the game against everton coz my cable was cut off by the builders in my house (usless idiots) so i was forced to listen the game on the radio.
We sounded crap and i was pissed off i don't know what to think right now, we all know torres is struggling right now but i was curious about this. . .i saw a poster on here earlier who said carragher was shouting at torres and torres just turned to him and put his finger to his lips as if to tell carra to be quiet, obviously i couldnt see this because i was listening on the radio.
Ed can you tell me if this is true? Do you think it happened just through frustration or do you think there has been some sort of disagreement. if this is true it could be showing very very bad signs possible torres on his way out?
{Editor's Note: I did not see this happen.}
18 Oct 2010 01:56:18
To be fair everton deserved there win yesterday we were played off the park even tho it kills me to say it and does any one else think ngog looks a bigger thret infront of goal than torres lately and he looks alot better under Roy. Ed?
Big Red John
18 Oct 2010 01:27:45
Personally i think glen johnson needs to play on the right wing, he can't defend n maxi is pants! n we have rubbish holding players so why not try dan agger holding with raul n gerrard in front of him? agger can pass shoot tackle and most importantly play! for transfers i agree we shud buy honda and banega both quality players at good prices. but i think we should buy forlan, he says hes willing to move if its right. since he left england hes matured and become an excellent player and wud partner torres well, look how he plays with aguero, or suarez. let me no wat u guys think. u too ed.
18 Oct 2010 00:51:07
Liverpool needs to clear house.
Sell: Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulson, Ryan Babel, Maxi and may be even Torres (love him, but he's no Drogba-who can do things on his own, and I truly believe Torres is fed up!)
Our defence is horrible as Agger and Skrtel don't cut it and Brende Hangeland and Gary Cahil need to be brought in. Glen Johnson is truly over-rated and should be sold. I'd rather play Martin Kelly and Darby as a back up. I think we should also make a bid for Taiwo or bring back Riise. If not bring back Insua and use Mavinga as back up.
Midfield is solid and even though Meireles didn't score he showed the guile needed. Lucas could be sold or used as a back up, but Poulson definately needs to go. Wilson Palicios (in Spurs reserve) should be bought!
Maxi, Babel, Lucas and sorry to say - Jovanovic are not impact players as they should be. A change is needed. I believe Matthew Taylor should be brought in as well as Arda Turan and as I've said 2 years ago-Ibrahim Afellay-who's expressed his interest! Ashley Young is prime for the picking! even David Bentley who can be re-surged in the Reds!
We need 2 strikers- I wanted Pavluchenko a year ago. Wanted Darren Bent 3 years ago (Charlton) and Defoe when with West Ham. .Did we get them? NO. .very stupid on Rafa! Dzeko can be the right man? If Thomas Mueller is available, pay for him! Bryan Ruiz who can play on both wings and as a striker and probably much better than Babel. Roy needs to inject some confidence into Pacheco or sell him which is a sad thought, but don't waste his talents and keep him in the dog house. Adebayor is available and will score and give us some attitude which we lack! Connor Wickham?
After the storm has cleared with the ownership (something I never paid big attention to because I truly care about what the current sqaud can or cannot accomplish), this is the NEED of the team! We as fans need to educate the clubs new board on the players or the type of change we need! It's sad to see us lose to Everton, but it's more sad knowing that the league has started 2 months ago and we are the last team in the Prem. We are all down, but hero's are those who have the drive and determination to claw back into contention.
To the Players and the Gaffer : This is no laughing matter anymore. We don't have to win games. WE NEED and MUST win!
YNWA
SIM THE RED
18 Oct 2010 00:42:03
I feel its time for Roy to walk. As a personal opinion I think that Liverpool have many options for the job. The people I would look at are:
5. Guus Hiddink - When Chelsea were in a bit of a mess who came in and settled things down and in the end did amazingly well? Guus Hiddink, i would love him as manager.
4. Martin O'neill - O'Neill has always over achieved with teams he has been at, and a major factor in him being such a good coach for me would be that he worked under Brian Clough, one of the greatest English managers of all time. Apart from Celtic, he has always gone above what was expected of the team.
3. Kenny Dalgish - Worldwide reputation for being a Liverpool legend and is well known by the players there, due to him already working at Liverpool. He was the man behind our last title success and i hope he may return one day.
2. Jurgen Klinsmann - Amazing man who would attract the best players from around the world. He would especially be able to influence many of his German counterparts.
1. This might sound stupid but Ian Holloway - Ian Holloway is a man who has shown that he says what he thinks. He doesn't hold anything back, he shows passion whilst on the touchline and im sure his teams win because they know what will happen if they don't play how he likes. He goes 4-3-3 no matter what. Home or Away - Liverpool or Luton he tries to take the game to them and for one I would love him to come to Liverpool.
Welcome to John W Henry also, my first post in a while!
YNWA JFT96
TomLFC
18 Oct 2010 00:39:55
Does anyone have any info on the whole torres situation?
There was that incident a few weeks ago against sunderland where torres assisted gerrard in the goal to bring the game level at 2-2 and where he would usually celebrates with torres just completely blanked him.
Again against everton you could see signs that the relationship between him and gerrard also carragher is not healthy.
Has his head been turned, because where I'm sitting he looks like he will be gone in the summer.
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Did anyone see Gerrards question time with school, kids on LFCtv? He actually said TORRES is the player he most prefers to play with and it was a quite recent broadcast. .mind you, he was very miserable in it. .about as miserable as El Ninos 1st interview back from the summer stating he is happy to stay and play!
IMO Roy has to bite the bullet, we need a bigger personality with a touch of grit and youth sprinkled with charisma. Someone who can attract the right players and make them HUNGRY TO PLAY FOR LFC!
Drezperado
18 Oct 2010 00:38:57
Here is my view on transfers with a blood-rushed brain.
No need for a goalkeeper. We have the best in the Premier League with Pepe Reina.
Glen Johnson must go. Absolutely rubbish in defense. What good is a defender if he can't defend? Sure he can attack, but we also need him to defend. Since he can't, sell him. Real Madrid and Juventus are willing to spend 15+ million on him, so I say take it and leave them a note, saying "You get what you pay for." There is no need to but a replacement, as Martin Kelly and Stephen Darby can step up.
We should sell Martin Skrtel and Sotirios Kyrgiakos. Skrtel is losing it in defense. Kyrgiakos is good, but we have Daniel Ayala and Danny Wilson waiting, plus we need a better player. We can get 8-10 million for Skrtel. I am not to sure with Kyrgiakos. As Jamie Carragher is nearing the end of regular starts, and with Ayala and Wilson still maturing, a capable partner is needed for Daniel Agger. Gary Cahill is the player to get. 15 million may be enough to buy him. Our 5 CBs will be Daniel Agger, Gary Cahill, Jamie Carragher, Daniel Ayala and Danny Wilson. Not too bad, is it? Good alternatives are Roger Johnson, Scott Dann, Ron Vlaar and Ryan Shawcross.
Left back has been a problem. Paul Konchesky is not good enough. He is solid, but not good enough. Fabio Aurelio has yet to reach match fitness. So, we need a good left back. Taye Taiwo is a good choice; however, he might sign a contract extension with Marseille. But if he doesn't, he will be a good signing. Since his contract is nearing completion, we can buy him in cut price. Not sure who will leave though. Good alternatives: Fabio Coentrao (expensive, though), Phillip Lahm (dreamland), Aly Cissokho
Our best central midfield pairing has to be Steven Gerrard and Raul Meireles. But what about our other midfielders? Lucas, as most of us now, is liability. Malaga want him, so we can sell him for 8 million. Christian Poulsen was a mistake. I think he is the same mold of signings as Voronin. I don't care how much he leaves for. I just want him out. So who will replace both of these players? Enter Ever Banega. He is a cross of Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano, 2 players we have yet to properly replace. 8-10 million may be enough to pry him off Valencia's fund-stricken hands. Jonjo Shelvey should start getting more playing time. Good alternatives: Javi Martinez (expensive), Steven Defour (injury prone though)
We desperately need wingers. Maxi Rodriguez is not good enough. 6 million to leave, and I'm good. Joe Cole should be more of an impact player. His glory days are over. Milan Jovanovic is a squad player at best. So which wingers do we need? There are so many names. Keisuke Honda, Marko Marin, Juan Mata, Arda Turan, Ashley Young, Chung-Yong Lee, Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahim Afellay among others. We need 2. For the right, Arda Turan should be signed. Very talented, plus he wants to play for Liverpool. 15 million will do. For the left, we should sign Keisuke Honda. Another talented player who can play brilliantly almost everywhere. Shirt sales in Asia will give us money. 14 million will get him. But, I have another plan. Adam Johnson has said he is tired of being in the bench. A talented English winger. How will we get him? That will be explained in the next section.
We all know we need a world class striker. But who? There are choices. Do we need a target man in the form of Edin Dzeko or Fernando Llorente? Do we need a skilled striker like Sergio Aguero or Luis Suarez or Lisandro Lopez? Liverpool should get Edin Dzeko. Should Fernando Torres stay? If Manchester City want him, they can offer 50 million plus Adam Johnson. Then, Edin Dzeko and Keisuke Honda will be our strike pair, with Arda Turan and Adam Johnson on the wings. Dani Pacheco is very promising. He should become third-choice striker ahead of the mediocre David N'Gog. Ryan Babel should leave for 10 million. It is also time for Dirk Kuyt to leave. 15 million, and I'll be happy.
Fire Roy Hodgson. He asked for more time. I'm not buying it. If we are to get the kind of players I just said above, we need to get at least top 8. So which manager should we turn to? Temporarily, Kenny Dalglish. Some may say he has been out of touch of game for so long. But, he saw himself as the only suitable candidate for manager. It is worth a try. He had been monitoring Turan and Banega. Maybe he will get them when he is manager. If he does well, and miraculously gets us top 4, he'll be our permanent manager. If he gets us at least top 8, we'll probably get a different manager. Who that manager is I am not sure.
In short, sell deadwood, buy quality. We get money from new owners
Scenario 1
Reina
Kelly Cahill Agger Taiwo
Turan Gerrard Meireles Honda
Torres Dzeko
Scenario 2
Reina
Kelly Cahill Agger Taiwo
Johnson Gerrard Meireles Turan
Dzeko Honda
If you want to reply to this, simply state "In response to THISLIVERPOOLFANLOVESTYPING"
To any of the editors, care to read my essay?
18 Oct 2010 00:35:50
At the end of the day we are stuck with what we got until jan then we need to buy at least 4 players and sell at least 2 then sell others in the summer and get in at least 3 more major signings we will get back where we belong it will just take time
18 Oct 2010 00:30:20
Roys record for 10/ 11 - 6 points in 8 games. Rafa's record for 10/ 11 - 14 points in 7 games! That is Premier League title chasing. We should never have got rid of Rafa. In Rafa I trusted in Roy I'm depressed
18 Oct 2010 00:29:30
Not entirely sure I agree with that. A manager without a good grasp of the language is a problem waiting to happen. It is always quoted as a problem with Capello, as it was with Sven before him. You could also look to Scolari and Ramos as examples where it clearly had an effect. Ancelotti is an exception, but he took over a very good, settled side.
{Editor's Note: And Dalglish?}
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They can all speak pretty good English now. And to be fair they all inherited good sides. Scolari and Ramos just couldn't be arsed learning it.
They all still speak better English than Roy and Kenny and they definitely speak better English than Carragher.
Blair Mayne YNWA
PS. And maybe Ian (rubber gob) Dowie.
18 Oct 2010 00:25:02
Since this is a rumour site: Hodgson to be fired before January. Source: Common Sense.
Now, did Roy want to win this game? I mean, a derby is a toss up. Nothing is guaranteed in football, so the result in itself is not shocking. But, why start Maxi and Lucas today? I have nothing against either player. I actually believe that if they were in playing in Spain, Italy, France or even Germany most EPL fans would have a different opinion of them. Maxi was brilliant at At. Madrid a few years back(we got him 4 years too late) and watch Lucas when he goes, people will think that we gave up on him too soon. The reality is that neither one has the skill set, mentality and courage to play in the EPL and that's that on them. But, Roy what are you doing? Now if you want to stay on for a few more weeks you need to have two conversations ASAP. FIRSTLY, call Gerrard to your office and tell him this: Stevie, mate I need you to do me one solid until January when I plan to bid for a Mata, Marin or Navas type winger. Right now, I need a player who's right footed, has guts, speed and can send a decent cross in. I look at the squad and you are the only one who fits the profile, not Cole, Kuyt, Maxi, Meireles or any one else I have put at right mid this year. All right, mate? Good, now tell Ryan to come see me. SECONDLY, say this to Babel: Ryan, I know you think you're a striker. I know that on FIFA11 you are Liverpool's lone man up front, but this is the EPL; not Fifa 9, 10 or 11, not the Belgian, Dutch Greek, Turkish league or even the MLS. I won't ever play you as a striker as long as I have Torres (even this one), Ngog, Kuyt, Jovanovic, Pacheco, Amoo, King Kenny or Ronny Rosenthal. But, if you can run down the left wing, cross the ball like you did against Real Madrid three years ago and track back once or twice I WILL PLAY YOU EVERY F*N GAME (until January)! I might even drop a verse on one of your rap tracks. Bye now.
Also, Joe Cole behind Torres or preferably Ngog/ Jova as second striker. Meireles more offensive and Poulsen / Lucas to mop up. Work with what you have until we get reinforcements.
YNWA
Olivier
18 Oct 2010 00:17:55
Im sick of seeing babel on the bench, he came on for 10mins against toffees and straight away launched a 30 yard rocket, ok, it was straight at howard but at least he was showing intent . .
Babel to play left wing .
18 Oct 2010 00:11:26
We need to sell
babble poulsen konchesky skirkle the greek agger cos injured too much.maxi milan.kuyt ngog.
team would be for me
reina gk
rb johnson
leftback bale
cb caggs and shawcroft
mid gerrard kaka cole ashley young
strikers torres and the argentian striker from athletico madrid.
subs
jones.kelly derby spearing the lad we signed from porto.daren bent. striker from wigan
that would be a decent team to start with
17 Oct 2010 23:57:42
17 Oct 2010 23:13:56
Pellegrini does not speak English.
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Neither did Maldini, Capello, Ancelotti etc means nothing really. I'm sure he could start learning it as there could be a job being made available in England in January or even before.
Roy can't even speak proper English.
Blair Mayne YNWA
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Not entirely sure I agree with that. A manager without a good grasp of the language is a problem waiting to happen. It is always quoted as a problem with Capello, as it was with Sven before him. You could also look to Scolari and Ramos as examples where it clearly had an effect. Ancelotti is an exception, but he took over a very good, settled side.
{Editor's Note: And Dalglish?}
17 Oct 2010 23:57:35
The only positive we can take from todays game is that the new owners where present to see how dire the team actualy is
17 Oct 2010 23:57:31
If we had bad results before i would think we would come out of it, but i can't see any hope with Roy. The bad players we have are turning to worse. If i were NESV i would ask Roy to play players on the right positions. my demands will be 1. cole RM or behind striker 2. babel be substituted frequently for second striker 3. poulsen never to play again 4. Kelly, pacheco and shelvy should be given more chances. under 20 players arent that young these days 5. Agger should start playing as center half regularly. 6. Kelly should be given more chance on right back and if performs well Johnson should go to RM.
with the squad we have out the best line up should be
Reina
Johnson/ Kelly->carragher->Agger->Aurelio/ konchesky
Kuyt/ Johnson->Gerrard->merieles->Jovanovic/ Aurelio
cole/ babel->
Torres
when we play bigger teams, we can add lucas in midfield and bring gerrard as attacking midfielder.
Again if i were NESV i would hire a new coach before christmas break so the new manager studies the squad well before going for shopping.
The players we need desperately in Jan, 2 wingers, one class D. midfielder or more like with a distribution flair like Alonso, and one striker and if the right players is found Left back.
My realistic choices will be
Out- Babel 6mil, Aqua 10mil, poulsen 3mil, Konchesky 4mil maxi 3mil- together 26mil
In- mata 14mil, Honda 12mil, Taiwo 5mil, Inler/ Lassa diara 10mil, ola toivonen 12mil- total 52mil that's extra 26 mil
In summer players like skirtel, lucas and kuyt should be sold and replaced by the likes of maxes, Benga and sanchez
we hoped for new owners so that we get stability and compete with the likes of totneham in the transfer market. obviously man city are out of reach. its this much of players that Totnaham offloaded and bought when they were in crisis. so i aint asking for much!
17 Oct 2010 23:52:48
As i Know Ed you are a big Honda fan, he is an excellent player technically gifted i also like him as Henry is a shrewd buisness man i think he is a cert to come to liverpool for global reasons just look at Man Ure (Park not great but gets games now and again to keep far side of the world happy) I think what liverpool need is clear out all dead wood and bring in a strong character manager that doesn't take bullsh*t ( Louis van Gaal) seen him eating Robben on the sidelines for throwing a strop.What ur thoughts and other fans.
{Editor's Note: I drive a Jaguar so I guess it is one of the other Eds you need.}
17 Oct 2010 23:50:50
Srly / wrists time after todays game guys im sry but roy is not instilling fight amongst the players they r playing with like a whatever attitude, defense is shocking and carra im affraid is too old and in attack theres no idea cole is out of position HE shud b bhind torres with steveg and raul as cm partners.Rant over now here comes my some what cringe weary thrt new owners always means new manager and not many top managers r available atm expect the USA coach in soon and his son in jan and TO BE HONEST i think the USA coach may not b a bad choice remember the world cup AND BY THE WAY I THINK 1 OF THE ED'S OF THIS SITE IS SEAN O'DRISCOL , well u gotta be why else do u keep pushing 4 him 2 get the top job lol (sean sry i mean ED plz print this as i srly think we may get the usa coach soon and i just wanna no wat ppl think )
{Editor's Note: I am not sure I understand any of this.}
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I can understand it ED!
What he's trying to tell us is he's pissed.
Blair Mayne YNWA
17 Oct 2010 23:48:09
RE:DJ Campbell > Quick footed striker >Blackpool
I thought he was a good little player. Im sure the first-divsion has more players that can play at premiership level. isn't it time to take a chance on some of these english players, give them a chance at prem level.
17 Oct 2010 23:47:13
Ed do you think Joaquin from valencia could do a decent job for us on the right wing. I know he's not young but he's got some tricks, he can beat a man and he can cross?
{Editor's Note: I have no doubt he would do a really great job.}