Liverpool Banter Archive November 18 2011

 

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18 Nov 2011 23:44:18
hi ed, do you know how joe cole has been getting on at lille.
huddz red {Ed001's Note - I don't sorry, last I heard he was getting on well, but that was a while ago now. But I was told the slower pace of the game was suiting him.}


Thanks anyway.
huddz red


He is playing great, scoring and getting assists.


He is eating frogs legs and his jumping has improved.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 23:22:42
I think the worst thing about the SUAREZ/evra affair is the fact that it brings beckham back into the spotlight. I have never been able to understand how this non-personality (who is neither intelligent or coherent) is always around whenever there is any discussion about football. I know that a lot of fans will say he did a great job for England but in fact he did nothing and won nothing with England. There are a lot of ex- footballers with intelligent things to say so let's give some of them a voice. By doing that the F.A. might get some support in their efforts for the English and England games.
Dutchmal


He is after a knighthood so has to comment on any high profile situation in the most PC manner as possible. Anyway lets drop this Suarez Evra matter until after next week when progress is made. Get back in the rumours fellaz


Love this post.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 21:19:56
I didn't realise Jay Spearing does some acting on the side as well as trying to play football? He is on Film Four now as we speak. His character is called Sean.

Disney!


Nice one,Gadget.


He was also in 80's cult classic Labrynth.....he was the door knocker who had the ring through his ears. Anyone that remembers it will know...

TK-Red {Ed001's Note - showing your age now TK.....}


I imagine he is a character on Willow too. Certainly the Adams family.

Disney!


It's like his mother had an orgy with a sack of Maris pipers.

Disney!


Sydney.. You even seen Wayne 'the spud' Rooney?

Myk


And that's only the shape of rooney's head Myk

Cuchulainn's Hounds


I thought Spearing was in The Goonies?


No mate, that was Iain Dowie.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Sydney - I took my kids out on on bonfire night and was surprised to see people burning ethergies of Wayne Rooney - it wasn't until later I realised they were actually baking potatoes.

JRG


Wasn't he in lord of the rings?


 

 

18 Nov 2011 21:10:46
Has any 1 herd how Stevie g is doin? Wen will he be back?
Gaz b


 

 

18 Nov 2011 21:10:13
dose any1 know on the training photos on the liverpool site ,who is the young fella wearing the no.19 jersery? hesa in the 7th photo ..tanx


Nathan Quirk, Academy player!


Tanx ,what position dose he play? any good?


Nathan Quirk is an offensive midfielder who arrived at the Academy at the age of nine.

The technically gifted youngster can operate in a variety of positions but prefers to play in a role just off the striker.

1977


 

 

18 Nov 2011 20:32:18
Carlos Tevez has just issued a statement saying he never wants to play in europe again... Liverpool are favourites to sign him


ANOTHER NAMELESS FAN FROM ??
Dutchmal


We don't want him. But HE didn't want YOU. So there.


Lads, lads.... awful comebacks, lighten up. Im a Liverpool fan but have to admit , thats a brilliant joke!


Credit where its due. Good one pal.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa


 

 

18 Nov 2011 20:07:39
Eds, I posted something on here about the Suarez incident 2 days ago but not coming up in the search bar anymore. Has it been removed for any particular reason? {Ed001's Note - no, it is probably just because the search just shows the latest X amount of results and there are too many recent posts.}


What amazed me was the hypocracy from certain players about racism particulary rio ferdinands response to sepp blatter after all this guy is a fan of jz who's record 99 problems cotain the lyrics" I'm from rags to ritches ****** I ain't dumb. I got 99 problems but a b**** aint one" which is both racist amd sexist but i notice rio aint pulling jz apart over it. topdog08


You're right.....because thats the same thing. We should boycott the music industry and those terrible gangster rappers and burn all our records on a big bonfire...You can throw your bra on there aswell while we're at it.

TK-Red


 

 

18 Nov 2011 20:05:20
i know, i am not the only one, but i hope, we are going for Keisuke Honda in january. Would be amazing addition to the squad. Haven't heard of interest in him for quite a while, but he is a great player for us to get, who is more likely available, again. YNWA


Yeah i watched him tonight vs Rubin and he was 5 seconds ahead of the rest of CSKA, such a shame that a deal could not be/was not reached last January when he was available
RustyNigel


He would want champions lge football on a regular basis so that would rule liverpool out


 

 

18 Nov 2011 18:45:49
Beckham to Carroll, I can see that combination working :-) worth a punt for six months


He has already said he would never play for us as a man u fan. Sorry mate.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 18:24:13
Double standards?

Apparently Chicarito from Man Utd is reported in print in 2007 as using the phrase Negrito when referring to someone he knew. It was not meant in a racist way, and by all accounts it wasnt taken that way as they were friends.

I do not speak spanish but the quote was '"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.

omar esparza is a mexican footballer and yes youve guessed it, he is very dark skinned and also small.

Can anyone translate ?

tel 1949


"Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. for my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.

taffytel (courtesy google translate )


Google translate:emphasizes the goal scored by another young man yesterday as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. for my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.


Guys Im a Liverpool fan the ed im sure knows my ip address heres what i found out about the word Negrito I think he will be lucky to get off
The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]
Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]


Heard that Negrito is used for black or white people in Uruguay. 'you're no Snow white', meaning your not so innocent, which can be used against a person of any colour


Negrito appears to be a term that can be used for any colour in Uruguay.
We have 'snow white' which simply means innocent (appropriate) can be applied to any one and has no relevance to colour. Can't wait for the first PL player to be accused of racism for calling someone snow white.


Your missing the point here guys!

A Man Utd player is on record as calling another footballer a Negrito and it was not meant in any racist way....the point being that South American footballers use the term a lot, and it is NOT, and I repeat NOT, meant in a racist way

Tel 1949


Heard John Terry's playing snow white for the Christmas panto at london's Apollo theatre.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Apparently Chicaritto also calls Evra Negrito, but again not meant in a racist way. This is all double standards, as Suarez has consistently said, even his team mates use the same phrase. If you look at pictures of Suarez during the match he was attempting to calm Evra down on a number of occassions, and you can see by the look on his face that Luis couldnt understand why Evra was so annoyed.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 18:14:16
Chi-Paul..... SCURVY? Is that all you've got, I'd like to say thats clever but really, I don't want to encourage children to use made up words.... Read some of the more intelligent Pool fans posts and get some better idea's mate, then please try again.... HERBIE


I'm guessin Herb they think your a gimp for trying to get a rise out of them an i'm guessing their right

MJ


Did you just say "intelligent Liverpool posts".......Oh my..... you'll get ridiculed again on your own site like you did the day after you fluked a point out of Anfield, and you were singing our teams praises...

We know Mancs don't have much football intelligence so that's why they come here or we send Blair, LFC and Jatt over to inform you lot about football and ruffle your feathers.

Chi-Paul


 

 

18 Nov 2011 18:09:03
Newcastle have confirmed that midfielder Sylvain Marveaux will undergo surgery to address hip and groin problems in America next week.

We dodged a bullet there .

1977


 

 

18 Nov 2011 17:28:35
Please no more British players in january. Kenny has signed a couple so far, and as of yet none of them have shown any real quality. However Suarez has become our best player and Enrique is consistently putting in good defensive performances (the two foreigners have been our best signings), so lets learn from that and try for an exciting, skillful, pacey, creative right midfielder in January as i really struggle to name even 4 english wingers with really flair and quality. It is well known that the foreign players are the ones for skill and creativity and unlocking the tightest defences without playing a long ball (messi, xavi, iniesta, silva, nasri, hazard, ozil etc etc). Im not saying we need to aim for players as good as the above but there are plenty of similar players, playing for smaller clubs in the world who would be willing to join.

RDR


I disagree.
Other examples of 'quality' foreigners we've had- Ngog,Insua,Traore,Piechnik,Istvan Kozma. And our homegrown contingent has included- Gerrard,Carra,Dalglish,Rush,Barnes,Beardsley,Souness etc etc.
A good player is a good player,regardless of where they are from.


You have mentioned Beardsley but no Fowler.
Scouse Pride


Dalglish and Souness are not English or Welsh they don't count as home grown


I agree with the original poster. British players are generally overpriced. More bargains available overseas.

The replies are bit skewed maybe. Pick the worst non-British players and compare them to the best British players. How about we turn that around. Compare say Alonso, Torres, Grobelaar, Hyypia to Jimmy Carter, Paul Stewart, Scott Carson, Paul Konchesky.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 17:20:50
I've been reading this site for a month or so now and I'm not much of a fan of BPL, but I saw United and Liverpool fans fighting here often.
Of course these all arguments are biased towards your teams, so I sat down with my freinds both United and Pool supporters and asked about their true opinions (when they were drunk). I came up with following conclusions:

Is Suarez better than Rooney ? Not at all but can reach the same level but would be in some other team by then.

Could United supporters see him at OT ? Yes, he is better than Hernandez. An interesting answer was that SAF wont take the most hated player in the African continent cause there is a growing market (and not many people watch BPL there) and it will have a bad effect on United's market. I cant say anything.

Is Carrol worth 35m ? No ,Hernandez is better than him in tapping in the ball (for which Carrol was purchased). After seeing the goals he scored for Newcastle I think Pool missed an integral part of Carrol which was Nolan. Most of the goals were crosses headed by one of them and tapped in by other.

Is KD better than SAF ? Only for the fact that he removed all the dead wood from Liverpool.

SAF's biggest mistake: Amazingly it wasnt buying or selling any player but his strategy in last years CL final against Barca. Even after knowing that United's midfield was nothing compared to Barca he thought of giving the fans a visual spectacle which turned out to be humiliation for the club. Instead he could have put 10 men behind the ball with only one motive ,defending then the chances of winning could have been more.

Mr Noname


Once suarez finds his feet and starts hitting his target he will be one of the best in the prem Rooney's got a "cant believe im saying this" good solid team behind him where suarez has a new ungelled team if united swapped Suarez for Rooney he'd score more goals for united than Rooney ever did

MJ


Bulls**t, I'm a city fan and rooney is far better than suarez. Rooney has carried a poor united team for years and makes them look good. Suarez has really good technique and ball skills. He also has good work ethic, his decision making is below par and he runs into a lot of dead ends. He also has very poor finishing sometimes, more than any player that can be considered in rooney's category. He may get there with better coaching but he always looks like he is just winging it, no game plan. His ability to get past players easily does not allow him to improve the other aspects of his game. He is not on par with higuain, rooney, aguero, villa, ronaldo. Watch those and compare, you'll see the missing aspects


Wat u takin bout rooney carryin a poor united side. Im a liverpool side but united has been the best prem team of this generation.
N wen has rooney been a real prolific scorer b4 this seasons stint. Most of his goals r penalties.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 17:11:58
I think that points out an underlying issue here. There is a difference between making a racist remark and being racist.............

............that it is all a matter of opinion. I saw a post on a separate page today claiming that those who make racist remakes are by definition, racist when IMO it is not quite that simple. Though I feel thats a discussion for a more philosophical page than a football banter page. I think that alot of people on these pages, including myself from time to time perhaps, are getting caught up in a big storm about who is racist and who is not when the real (and only) issue should be 'did Suarez say something that overstepped the bounds of social conduct on this particular occasion'.

TK-Red

I have just taken the above post off the United page and must say this is most sensible post I have seen on the Suarez/Evra debate. I have been one of the people on this site saying that it would be difficult for Suarez to continue playing for Liverpool IF he is found guilty of deliberately using racist words to Evra. I do not want a racist playing for my club. However the key word is deliberately.

My opinion is that the FA have charged Suarez on the basis of his and Evra's statements. This suggests that Suarez has admitted saying something to Evra that the FA believe can be construed as racist but to Suarez is a totally acceptable word to use.

IF this proves to be the case and IF Suarez is still found guilty, does that make him a racist? No I don't think it does.

JRG


TK is saying that he may have made a racist remark, but that doesn't make him racist. That is what he is saying.

Disney!


Yes I know Sydney isn't that what I have put?

JRG


I had a scrap with one of my closest mates when I was about 6/7 (I think) and I called him all the things that I had heard growing up which I thought were vile, some of the stuff was proper rough. I said what I said in anger, but I am not a racist. I do not believe Terry or Suarez are racist, but I do believe they may have made a stupid mistake in the heat of the moment and if that proves to be the case, then they have to face their punishments. If found to be innocent or there's a lack of evidence, then we shouldn't speak of this topic again.

Disney!


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:56:24
The fact that liverpool are interested in reus and coleman is based on our plans of recruiting young talents for the future, so there is a good chance of us signing both or one of them this january window.


Reus would want to sign for a team with a chance of champions league football and coleman hates liverpool


Coleman hates liverpool haha he should move out of the city


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:49:43
Thats now 48 hrs you sad peeps have been going on about Saurez.... Does any of you remember any other Liverpool players? Haha.... HERBIE


Thats now 48 hours you been keeping track of us talking about Suarez.

Now thats sad HERBIE

Adzii


There isn't any others worth mentioning lol.
Anyway I thought you weren't coming on here again?

LAVERS


Scurvy,

Go back and pick the English National team with Disney on your own site.

Chi-Paul


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:39:09
Just thinking about this situation saurez is in.
Maybe it was a little plan hatched.by whiskey nose to get our best player banned.
Whiskey nose mentioned about saurez being a diver , then the week after saurez was pulled by the ref for diving all the time.
Whiskey nose knows how to play the media and everyone listens.
I wonder if there would be the same storm if it wad evra who called suarez!

LAVERS


This isnt the conspiracy page mate

TK-Red


Lavers i think you give too much credit to Fergie, he is not an all powerful master jedi, he's just a manager.

As for the reverse racism only seems to work one way, which is against people of white descent. Calling a white person a racist name raises no eyebrows.

The professor


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:39:09
Just thinking about this situation saurez is in.
Maybe it was a little plan hatched.by whiskey nose to get our best player banned.
Whiskey nose mentioned about saurez being a diver , then the week after saurez was pulled by the ref for diving all the time.
Whiskey nose knows how to play the media and everyone listens.
I wonder if there would be the same storm if it wad evra who called suarez!

LAVERS


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:32:58
Ed's, when and where is the Liverpool-Rumours christmas doo?

Adzii {Ed001's Note - your house isn't it? As soon as you let us know, I will let everyone else know, failing that we will just all turn up on Xmas Eve....}


Nice one! Tell Ed002 i got them party sausages from Iceland ordered as i know she likes them. Macca could make a guest appearance (best rumour of the day). Also, expect to see bob the red climb down my chimney in the middle of the night with Neymar, Hazard and Aguero in his sack.

Adzii


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:27:02
I just want to talk about the witch hunt against luis suarez at the moment. By referees,players and other managers. I believe this is happening because he is so good.

Since fergie labelled him a diver he as not had a decision since. Obviously this situation with evra as well. Referees treat him like rubbish as well and he never gets a free kick anymore. When he is fouled and kicked by defenders all the time.

I believe this is all part of a witch hunt against suarez and trying to drive him away from england but luis you get all my support and hopefully all liverpool fans.

I just cant get enough.

Mighty reds

Mighty reds


Actually, You will find Suarez got given the almost questionable penalty against West Brom.

Not everything is a conspiracy.


It was a blatant penalty and that even took the linesman to give it.

mighty reds


Get your eyes checked. Suarez didnt dive or even look for the penalty. He got straight up


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:05:58
Don't the FA have to treat the allegation in a serious manner? If they dismiss it then Suarez could sue Evra for defamation of character. Also how could they then deal with the John Terry issue. Suarez is in the clear but not you John! The press would have a field day. I think they have to have both cases dealt with in the same way to be seen to be fair and even handed. Hopefully each case will be heard on their own merits and balanced judgements given in each case.
My worry is that the FA will use the cases to discredit Blatter in some way. They could come down heavily on both cases just to further illustrate how out of touch Blatter is.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 16:04:36
Much has been posted on this site about the Suarez - Evra situation but I have a different take on things as a sort of side issue. Suarez could be guilty of something which we all take for granted. When we speak to people to "take the ****" or wind them up we expect them to fully understand what we are doing and react accordingly either by coming back at us with an even better wind-up or out-performing us on the pitch.The problem our man had was that Evra was was being made to look very average in the match, mainly due to Suarez's skill but also due to the wind-up. It appears that Suarez may have expected Evra to understand the irony, culture, and **** taking but the problem could have been Evra's own cultural shortcomings and linguistic skills. Evra's lack of reaction, apart from a bit of mock anger only led to more "**** taking". Taking the "****" out of opposition players is part of the game and I cannot believe that Suarez intended any comment to be racist and the word mentioned was no more than a successful attempt to wind-up an opposition player. That player became embarrassed at his own performance and only decided to make an issue after the game to justify his poor performance to his manager.
"Not guilty your Honour"
Midsred


 

 

18 Nov 2011 15:43:44
Regarding the Suarez situation, isn't this getting more attention than it should and if there is a "racism in football" story at the minute surely its the one where John Terry was caught on camera abusing a fellow player with a pretty nasty racial insult? Anyone else feel that had the Liverpool player been an England regular the case would hav been handled differently


 

 

18 Nov 2011 15:21:17
Ed002,
The reported £194.9m loss at Man City.
If they show an improvement on this, that would be compliance with the FFP ?
The Real KB
{Ed002's Note - If they show significant improvements by June 2014 (which they will do easily) then a slap on the wrists or warning is most likely.}


Lol. Start off by losing nearly a fifth of a billion quid, then you're bound to improve on that.
Now I know why you were constantly telling everyone to stop worrying about FFP !
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - They have a stockpile of assets to sell now. That is why there will be a signiicant improvement.}


Players of course.
Is the £194.9m the constant base for measuring future FFP compliance then ed ?
Or do you have to show 'significant' improvement on year-on-year results ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - year on year, as the intention is to have all clubs running at a profit in the future.}


'Ed002'

Is the next three years where teams have to show an improvement? Or is it past that too? By 2016/17 season will teams HAVE to break even or still just keep showing improvement?

Disney! {Ed002's Note - It is rather more complicaed than that but by June 2014 the rules will begin to apply in anger. The data leading up to this began with this season. I would not worry as long as improvements are being made, and I am sure that they will. Income of course is critical and why the Champions League is so important - £30M a year or more.}


 

 

18 Nov 2011 15:10:39
I am a student at Sheffiled Uni, and just though I would let all my fellow reds know that the Students Union is very close to banning the Sun Newspaper from being sold in any Uni outlets, because of the lies told regarding the HIllsborough Disaster. One more vote is needed then this will be the case (its pretty much certain). I know this is only a small step but hopefully other Unis will follow suit!

JFT96

Super Red Ted


Uni students shouldn't be reading that rag.
It was 'Socialist Weekly' only in my day !
The Real KB


I didnt say anyone reads it The Real KB, it is usually bought by 1st years who decorate their living rooms with the page 3 girls.

Super Red Ted


That's what 'Razzle' is for?


Isn't that sexist though mate ?
Wouldn't have happened in my day...lol
The Real KB


This requires a serious response , not some light hearted comments. Well done to the students at Sheffield Uni and i hope they use there influences throughout the country to stop that rag being sold on any uni campus. Once again well done !
Tel 1949


 

 

18 Nov 2011 14:54:22
id be fairly surprised if suarez recieves more than a slap on the wrists or some community representation? I mean how much are these guys on, if it was such a big deal apart from kuyt i havent heard of many players reguarly giving money to charities or racism affected charities. obviously im a big fan of liverpool and wanna see our best players playing fairly.. But im sure there are comments made to suarez about his teeth on the field... Not as bad as racism but still personal and enough to generate some reaction, i doubt suarez claims evra called me 'count dracula' ... both appearance based. i can only think the fa have made a case because it has gathered media attention and with the stamp racism motto of fifa then theres no other choice from them lets hope the truth comes out and this doesnt ruin his reputation and career if guilty or not guilty. Aussiepool ps any brisbane fans heading out for chelsea game? Come the pig n whistle


Saying suarez has big teeth is excatly the same as racism in my view. If someone is white black etc and some have big ears nose ect and u say something to that person, whatever it maybe its still insulting them in the same way because they feel strongly about there appearance. Im not sure if ive explained this in the right way but people will get what im on about i hope anyway.

Gezza1982


Bull,i'd say we've all taken the rip out of someone with ginger hair at some time in our lives. Where and i'm on about the original poster do you want it to end. We've all been called name's about our own features well most people have and i don't mean racial or ethnic one's. Jesus were will this PC s**te. Seems if you had your way we'd be calling each other by our surnames with a MR or Mrs in front. Jonson


This is what i was trying to get at, any sort of personal defermation isnt a good thing, but surely sticks and stones will come into it.... personally id grit my teeth (probably bad example) and try harder against them on the field and not wait till after to file a report(comes across the wrong way to go about it to me) go buy yourself another aston martin or watever, its a big deal but these guys are adults and a discussion has to be the end result if there was any wrong doing.

aussiepool


You would be surprised at how much Charity work in time and finance is provided by our lads. That will never be publicised as it is a very private matter between them and their chosen charities.


A name is a name, a word is a word, and finally a insult is a insult. It all comes down to people who want to react to name calling word calling etc. But most people just forget and get on with it. If someone called me a racist name ill just laugh and ignore it, but i guess thats just me!

Gezza1982


You do realise that racism is not just words to the victims of it don't you?
People with ginger hair or big teeth didn't have to suffer hundreds of years of oppression and people who are spouting this nonsense could do with educating themselves on such matters.

Johnny


JOHNNY
thats what seb blatter said, no oppression or discrimination exists in football and it is true, what ever happend in the history of mankind suarez can be held responsible, bob paisleys skids


 

 

18 Nov 2011 14:49:28
Are there any news about Liverpool's new Stadium {Ed002's Note - There is no news about the stadium - new or not.}


 

 

18 Nov 2011 14:41:08
I think we're all getting a little bit hot under the collar regarding this Suarez/Evra situation just because the topic is well and truly under the microscope.

Just remind me again how the FA plan to enforce the charge? Oh yes that's right one person's word against another.

I see no other player racing to back up Evra's claim.

I rest my case.

Bob the Red


Do you see players lineing to support Suarez either though? No.
Listen, I'm a Liverpool supporter and KOP season ticket holder, but I can't stand this blind support of Suarez. I 100% believe it is all a bit of a misunderstanding and a clash of cultures, and mostly personality. Maybe Suarez was winding him up and Evra is not the type of person to accept being wound up?
Johnny


 

 

18 Nov 2011 14:16:21
Just saw fergie on ssn what a disgrace "liverpool have been drip feeding information the last few weeks" hes a total clown says what he wants and nobody bats an eyelid, nothing has come out from lfcevra is acting like a baby he can give but cant take. Also anyone that wants a definitive translation of what racism really is watch john barnes interview on ssn. Some people here are confused.
DCG


Totally correct mate, im feeling really under pressure over all this, were is it going? that other barmpot warnock has called for black players to strike in the next internationals? if blatter gets the boot were does that leave everyone else? do any other race of man have any protection and rights or have you got to be a black man? im confused it could only happen in england,bob paisleys skids


The overaction to blatter is unbelievable, Maybe he was wrong in his comments but for god sake he didnt shoot anyone.To be honest i think the game needs a bit of controversy it keeps us all talking.

mighty reds


 

 

18 Nov 2011 13:44:18
The FA and British football seems to be out of step with the rest of world football on racism. The FA needs to think very hard whether their views are going to far. We live in a little bubble in the UK and need to take much more notice of other countries views, particularly when the FA KNOW they are out of step.
Suarez came from Dutch football (not noted for its racism) where many players are black yet he was never accused of such behaviour though he (apparently) said that the term he used was common language and therefore we could expect it to have been said in Holland, too.
After hearing Poyet's anger on the radio, I'm starting to worry that Suarez might decide to up sticks. Some fans will say, well good riddance, but the PL (not just Liverpool) will be devalued if Suarez leaves and that will be noted by other big name foreign players who will think twice about joining the PL.
Rhonaldho has already left for Spain - losing Suarez to a Spanish league that already enjoys viewing players like Messi, would hurt the standing of the PL much more than people think the alleged racist remark would do.
The PL can't assume its world dominating position in league football entertainment (though arrogance might just lead to the PL thinking that way) and the PL could rapidly lose revenue and eventually end up as a comparative world footballing backwater.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 13:28:14
I fear the interview given to Talksport this morning by Gus Poyet did Luis Suarez no favours. Bad timing.


Did you read the comment?


 

 

18 Nov 2011 13:23:11
Anyone who deliberately uses a racist taunt is a racist....thats a fact, simple.


My own personal view is that anybody who uses a phrase deliberately meant to wind someone up during a game such as 'big nose' (phil thompson), ugly **** ( vinny jones ) etc, followed a good dose of swearing on either part is not racist. If Suarez used the term negrito which apparently is a common phrase in Uruguay for small black people, ( lets face it Evra is small !) and is meant as a wind up, then Suarez is no worse than any of the characters who have graced the premiership over the years.

After all, our very own King Kenny ( world class player who was always very good at windups) gave Wenger some stick on camera, and Kenny is a gentleman par excellance !!

Tel 1949


But the problem will be that it is drawing attention to the fact that he is black. You wouldn't say "small white person." I personally don't think there was malice in what he was saying and think whatever was said was said as a windup, but it's like calling someone a "black midget" instead of just a "midget." You see?

Ash


Yeah, unfortunately i hate to say it but Suarez should know better. He probably meant it in jest, and in Uruguay it may be perfectly acceptable to say these kind of things... But were not in Uraguay or Holland for that matter. Hes playing in the biggest league in world football and playing for one of the biggest teams in world football, which is more broadcasted than any other. This is a learning curve for Suarez, i dont for one minute think hes racist, its about learning the right and wrongs in a new league and a totally different way of life. This will only come out positive in the end and im sure every Liveprool fan will agree what we are 100% behind our man

Adzii


Would anyone be fussed if Suarez referred to Evra as "the wee man" from now on?

John Redsoxfan


So now that he's more or less been found guilty because of an interview back in South America and his own words are ment to have incriminating him self and no ones calling him a liar. Then why is it that by calling him his own team mates do,its over looked. No Utd player has come forward and disputed what Suarez has said na, we don't call him that Suarez is lying. If Utd player's call him by the same name get em all up on charges. Unless its just players who tear him a new one,because its strange he'll except the same term off his team mates and not take offence but does when he has a problem with a player from another team.


Sorry,never signed off on the 4th reply down1. Jonson


I think this its all been blown out of proportion, Suarez is not racist. As John Barnes said on SSN, just because a person uses a derogatory racial term it doesnt make them a racist. I am black and call my white friends pasty and casper ( as in casper the ghost ) and vanilla all the time and this is not deemed racist.

It is funny how the FA are bending over backwards to protect John Terry yet hang Suarez out to dry...you cant even find the John Terry video anywhere on the net without his mouth being pixeled out. Theyve gone to great lengths to protect him and this is why some coloured people come across defensive sometimes...if it was a black player that had done what terry did their would be blue murder but just because he is captain and would tarnish the FAs reputation across the world they try their best to protect him. Im not having a go just stating the facts.

If i was suarez I would be seriously cheesed off at the double standards in this country.


Fair point jonson.
The Real KB


By the way, if Suarez is not found guilty of making racist remarks, under British law he has a cast iron case for defamtion of character against Evra. Evra accused Suarez in the press without offering any evidence except his own opinion. A clear case of defamtion of character and if hes innocent I sincerely hope that Luis sues Evra.

tel 1949


 

 

18 Nov 2011 12:50:29
Sorry eds I hit post by mistake! I'll try again, I'm waiting on the final outcome of the Suarez incident until all the details are released but a few points. Isn't see how the FA can leave Suarez with as big a rep as 'being a racist' without proper evidence else they themselves could end up with a court case? If the word is used by all his team mates as Suarez claimed then at what point is it right that evra decides its now racism and surely if fair is fair every player using these words should be treated as such? To be honest I can see a 3 match ban for using foul language against another player I think the FA needs a broader attitude towards racism especially as they have seemingly failed to see that it is more than being black or white. If evra had taken offence to these words coming from a black man would they receive the same punishment?
Just want to say I don't support racism in anyway just my views which maybe biased.
Lfcmatt


Agree with all you say. One point, if the matter is not racist but a lesser infringement cant the fa charge him? Only red card offences can be looked at retrospectively.


I read a comment on another site that playing the racism card is like the new professional foul. Fair?

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

18 Nov 2011 10:53:40
I see Jonjo McShelvey is considering playing for Scotland.

At least him and Charlie Adam will be well rested every summer.

JRG


Nice

Dar88


Who is the one person who disagreed with this? Hilarious.

Bob the Red


The can rest on Champions League weeks anyway....


 

 

18 Nov 2011 10:02:09
Sorry Ed001 I thought that both alleged incidents took place the same week-end... So I look forward to next weeks result with Terry... Tobiwan {Ed001's Note - it makes no difference when they happened, Suarez was never the subject of a police investigation. Terry is still the subject of an ongoing police investigation, until that is completed the FA are powerless to act.}


How come Suarez is not under a police investigation ? {Ed001's Note - you would have to ask them, not me.}


Because a member of the public made a complaint against John Terry when they saw the footage on TV - apparently no-one has heard what Suarez is alleged to have said to Evra so there has been no complaint made to the Police.

JRG


John Terry is under a police investigation as a result of a complaint from a member of the public at the QPR game.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 09:23:24
Torres's untold story.. Best left untold.

Adzii


Oh yes the story... probably goes something like this; it's not about money, blah blah, turned down better financial offers blah, broken promises from the owners blah blah, sale of close friends... wrong direction blah blah, opportunity too good to turn down because I want to win things... blah!

More like Same old story...
I wonder whether he knows the one about 45000+ supporters (plus countless online) who backed him irregardless of his shocking attitude and form lasting 18 months... I just hope some our new players get that kind of support in future.

Richards


Theres plenty you could say about Torres. it all changed when Benitez left, he spat his dummy out and didn't look interested. He blamed everyone else but himself, his attitude would not have been tollerated under Dalglish. Some would say, Torres had it far to easy at Liverpool and when the going got tough.... He jumpe dship and thankfully to.

Adzii


His attitude was wrong long before Benitez left


I have a feeling some bits about how he was treated medically will be the central part to his untold story so in that case its already been told.

TraiTorres can go jump in his pile of money with all the other Chelski boys... Im sick of hearing about him!

YNWA jns


It's not about the money, money, money, turned down better offers ba blah ba blah bah, broken promises from the owners and the sale of close friends...


You guys acting like he didn't score 81 goals in 142 games for us. and before he went everyone was saying he's going to leave soon because he's be promised so much and none of them had been kept. i knew when benitez went torres was going to go just thought it would be the same summer or next summer and not on the last day of jan. accept it.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 08:57:52
I really hope Bellamy is given a start on Sunday.
(irishred)


 

 

18 Nov 2011 08:19:09
Gus Poyet . in espnstar
"I believe Suarez. It's simple. I am surprised in a really sad way that he has been charged.
"I think it is worse to charge someone because you trust one person when you have no proof."
He added: "I am sad because it is going to become too easy. I can make a complaint about an opposition manager and if I take it as far as I can he will be charged.
"Why are we going to take one person's word over another's?


Some of his quotes were simply quite shocking and backward


I think there are no strong proof. as fan is very fast then then the FA this day. if there are somthing then sure it will be in youtube and all the blogs. so far none of the man u pandit also didnt make any comments on it. the so call man utd pandit always ready to distroy liverpool .


I smell a bit of irony here. If the FA don't take cultural differences into account before they pass judgement on Suarez, then they run the risk of looking like racists themselves, especially if they take context and intent into consideration in the Terry case and not in the Suarez case. Phew, long sentence. I must rest.

Best regards from another time zone,
John Redsoxfan


 

 

18 nov 2011 07:28:57
we need a goal machine....its simple as that....ynwa


It think dixons sell them don't they?
The swan


Correct - it's Russell Hobbs £19.99

BOILED ONIONS {Ed001's Note - I will take 2.}


If its sale in market then sure chelsea don't use £50m for torres. £50m 5 goal in over 20 match. the expensive goal matchin :)


 

 

18 Nov 2011 05:25:06
What is up with this "IF" stuff. IF he is found guilty for the word he used ("negrito", according to many people) then I will fully support suarez. Just because some one says it is racist does not mean it is racist to everyone. IF someone says "f****" to someone and that someone finds it offensive, shouldn't he be charged too? Who should get more punishment, a player who purposely tries to injure another player or a player who says something that offends someone?

-Un1versE


People use the word IF because he hasnt been found guilty yet. Its simple. People throw the book at him and some of you bitch and moan, we try and be fair minded and you bitch and moan. Lets use your comparison then...if you were at work, there was a collegue who you were having a disagreement with and you called him a "little black man" that wouldnt be classed as offensive no? Just because not EVERYONE was offended by it? I find that view ignorant to be honest and I dont say that with the intention of offending you so there shouldnt be an issue should there...

TK-Red


Suarez comes from a country where he tells us his comment isn't regarded as offensive/racist. He played in Holland for a few years where he probably used the same term, no problem. He says Man U players were using the same or similar term to what he said, no problem.
If the FA find him guilty of racist behaviour, are investigations set up on Man U players calling Evra racist names?
Or is it only offensive when opposition players make such remarks?


Nobody said this whole mess was a clear black and white situation (no pun genuinely intended). It all seems to boil down to the context in which the comments are made. If friends say something we tend not to take offence, however if you are involved in a confrontation and someone makes such a reference then of course you wouldnt take it as banter. I see the point you make No Named Poster but its all down to each mans word. Ive long said that racism is such a complex issue and one man can take deep offence to something that another man laughs off. The fairest thing I can say on the matter, working on the original posters theory of Suarez being found guilty, is that he should have known better. There are lots of things I say to my friends that I would never say out loud to someone else because even though I may not be offended by something, you can be sure as hell that someone out there in society will be and you will get metaphorically hung for it. Maybe Suarez isnt a racist as such but he was naive in using such language and giving Evra the opportunity to make a complaint.

TK-Red


You have knowledge tk-red, respect.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 01:44:22
Eds i remember the other day someone said that they cannot post messages from their phone and i'm having the same problem and it's been like that for about a month now, not had the time to ask you but do you know if it is a fault from my side or yours, it says fatal error.

Great site by the way {Ed002's Note - Many folks do manage to post from their phone, so it could be you.}


I manage to post from my HTC desire. Try using the normal site not the mobile site and see if that works.
TIZER RED


 

 

18 Nov 2011 01:30:30
So I have Read all the posts that says Suarez a south American has said negrito which means little black man /lovely little black man, and all manner of combinations of the same word...... So a French bloke who speaks ok English decides negrito means some other N word (everyone gets 3 guesses )

Sorry but that surely doesn't sound kosher

Pardoe


 

 

18 Nov 2011 00:44:24
Hey Eds
Based on the names goin around seems like the realistic names we been linked 2 r
luuk de jong
gaston ramirez
ryad boudebouz
all wud b less than 15m i think.
But r they gud enuf Ed?
Ramirez seem gud but is de jong gud enuf st especialy wen hes nt exactly lightin up tha dutch league n is boudebouz like tarabt jus skills or does he hav quality


 

 

18 Nov 2011 00:05:05
Brighton boss Gus Poyet has branded Patrice Evra a cry-baby for complaining about alleged racist comments made by Liverpool's Luis Suarez.

And Poyet warned that the FA's acceptance of the Manchester United defender's claims against his fellow Uruguayan will make it "too easy" for any player or manager to accuse opponents of racism without foundation.
Poyet said: "I played football for seven years in Spain and was called everything, because I was from South America.

"And I never went out crying like a baby, like Patrice Evra, saying that someone said something to me."

Poyet accepts his fellow countryman's explanation that anything he said to Evra had no racist intent.

"I believe Luis Suarez. It's simple," he said.

The Brighton manager is concerned that the FA appears to have sided with Evra rather than Suarez on what he considers the flimsiest of evidence.

"I'm surprised, in a really sad way, that he's been charged," Poyet added. "I think it's worse to charge someone because you trust one person when you have no proof.

"I'm sad, because it's going to become too easy. I can make a complaint about any opposition manager, and if I take it as far as I can, he's going to get charged.

"Why are we going to take one person's word over another one's? It's too risky."


I will not forget how quick EVRA was to run his mouth after the (henry handball)playoff's 'he said i'd like to offer the irish team a rematch ..on my playstation "ha ha he was the only person to comment after the players openly said they cheat'd


The guy is a classless scum bucket and always has been. The truth will set him free.


 

 

18 Nov 2011 00:01:10
January Window

I think DC will be moving in quickly to secure the signings of the following players in January.

£9 -13m - Boudebouz (21) Our new No. 10, can play either wing. Brillant with the ball at his feet - technically very good, equally strong with either foot. Exciting, confident player that loves to beat his man. Scored a cracker against Tunisia last Saturday.

£14-18m - Moussa Sissoko (22) One of the quickest/strongest centre mids in the game. Good consistent player that can really dominate midfield. Will compliment either Lucas or Adam in the middle and could be a key player.

£10-15m - De Jong (21) Powerful Dutch centre forward with very good all round attacking play and goal scoring ability - natural successor to Kuyt. Not the quickest but has game intellingence and even at 21 is physically strong enough to play alone up front in the EPL. Great competition for Carroll and could communicate in Dutch with Suarez.

All 3 have been scouted heavily by the club, salaries would be reasonable and they would all add quality to the squad and starting 11.


 

 

17 Nov 2011 23:55:23
feel free to reply one and all i've a slight concern with how the team has reacted to adversity in games this season- we've no plan B. If a player is havin a mare then don't be afraid to hoyk them off irrespective of the price tag, age, or club service. When a match is going pear shaped i like most love a good use of the subs around the sixty minute mark. The redmen this season have, at times, been found lacking when it really counts. Be nice to see KK really use his obvious tactical savvy in those kinda situations in the future. line7


 

 

 
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