Liverpool Banter Archive May 18 2013

 

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18 May 2013 23:34:38
I think begovic will come in, as they already have their replacement in that youngster english keeper.

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Ochoa the Mexican keeper will be the man to replace Pepe. Trust me. The Crickets Son

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No ochoa wont

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Begovic nice one

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Stoke bought the keeper from Birmingham to replace bergovic because they thought he was going to united

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18 May 2013 23:34:13
I was talking to a former player today, who spent time on loan in France and he told me that both Aurelien Chedjou and Lucas Digne have been asking him about Liverpool. He seems to think they are both possible signings this summer.

TheManWhoKnowsThings.

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Joey Barton

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Clearly rubbish but he means Joe Cole

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18 May 2013 23:24:32
I have a feeling swansea keeper vorm may be our 1st class premiership keeper in response to try to keep our defence in shape too. ?

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18 May 2013 23:14:05
I think the owners (FSG) are fairly good, not amazing like chelsea city or uniteds but they are alright they certainly have made some vital mistakes but they're doing their best to slowly turn a sinking ship around

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What vital mistakes would they be?


RD

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Vital mistake of trusting people with 100 million pounds in your first year in charge rubbish buys put them on the back foot right from the start so a coulple of years later let's respect fsg and give them the support and best wishes they deserve after all we are in it together so walk on with hope. red mick tag.

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Sacking Kenny and Steve Clark

Appointing BR

Appointing Jen Chan

Having no Senior Mgt. Structure at the club

Relying too much on consultants

Not appointing a sporting director or a director of football

Not considering RAFA before BR

And many others!

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Lets understand something a little better!

The Money Kenny spent 100M is an awful ot of money no doubt about it!

However Kenny re-couped 68M from player sales

During the time Kenny was manager LFC paid an awful lot of money to players on high wages that should have not been at the club these players were signed by Rafa.

In the last 3 years the sheik at city has spent hundreds of millions some say 400M and re-couped very little from player sales.

Kenny's players the ones he bough improved the LFC team, its not Kenny's or Andy's fault that BR does not want Carroll.

BR has spent 60M since he has arrived at LFC and there has been little or nothing re-couped back in player sales.

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Just get over it Rafa's gone, support the club and back the manager and the players!
Red_Canon.

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18 May 2013 23:11:56
I think Liverpool are going to have a lot of money available in the summer as the kids seem to have stepped up and a lot of first team players could leave
Potentially leaving:
Suarez 50m
Carroll 15m
Skrtel 12m
Reina 13m
Coates 4m
Spearing 1m
Downing 7m
Shelvey 5m
Assaidi 3m
Carra plus Ngoo Wilson Flanagan

I'd target althought some would be difficult:
Courtious
Alderwield
Zouma
Gustavo
Eriksen
Gaitan
Tello
Obviously depending on the amount if out-goings!

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ZERO chance of Courtois

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Courtouis as in the cheslea goalkeeper on loan to athletico, good luck.

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I don't think many of those teams are willing to give up Champions League football to come to Liverpool, players are more fickle that really fickle things.

We were an attractive option to many foreign players when we were Champions League quarter finalists and better for the stretch of glory years we all enjoyed under Benitez but until we get back there I think it would take a real charcter of a professional who believes in the club, I don't think there are too many of those type of characters about, especially not when Chelsea and City are offering £200,000+ a week ad we struggle to offer half of that, it's a gulf in resources and funds and agents know it and they want their 12%.

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18 May 2013 23:11:28
I don't think scoring goals or creating chances has been our problem, strengthen the attack! yes of course if possible. Maybe a few will disagree but I would go all out on getting world class defenders, even if we have to pay 18+ million for CB's. United done that years ago. i'm not an expert, I just think that's what we need to do. Sounds to simple though eh.

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I agree with you, although the team who has won the league in the last 2-3 seasons has been the one with the meanest attack, rather than the best defense.

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18 May 2013 22:35:27
Pepe going.
Thanks for the service.
But let's stop thinking he was the player we had who gained us points in the early years. , because he cost us points over the last few seasons. Fulham arsenal Norwich. Just a few.
Hopefully good money and let's move on.
In BR let's trust.
4 new managers next season, they aren't all going to get it right. , we are just looking for a bit tighter at the back and extra goals up front which Sturridge and a full season will produce and a few additions we should have.

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Well said Pete, it only took us 10 years to get a decent keeper, i'm sure BR will just rock up with a seemless replacement, what a tosser you really are.

Waro

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Dont forget man city when he chased aguero near the corner flag and he lobbed him lol

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18 May 2013 23:16:08
Get Courtois in asap. Really top class and young. A real shot stopper.

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Was amazing skills from aguero, bad luck.

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Pepe has been great for us and unlike many here, I think we will struggle to replace him. Many think it's just easy to get somebody like Courtois or Leno or ter Stegen, none of these will be coming and as Ed002 points out Mignolet, whose distribution this season at around 40% to Pepe's over 70% will be the most probable replacement.

The real AG

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Pete, we'll be turning into a poor man's Arsenal mate, at this rate. Silky football, with no central defenders or keeper.
The Juicer

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Skrtel let Agureo run diagonally through the box chasing a long ball, Pepe had to make the best of it after Skrtel's initial mistake, losing his man in the penalty area.

Why was Aguero one on one with Pepe? Because Skrtel messed up and lost his runner, it happens a lot when Skrtel plays, it wasn't just Coates fault against Oldham, which s why Rodgers' dropped him.

Just for the record.

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Waro on form again!

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18 May 2013 22:04:12
any shouts for a new keeper? I personal think vorm (swansea) would be fantastic buy. thanks will knotty ash

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No he's a poor mans reina

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I think he would be a great choice mate. one of the best in the prem for me

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I am going to cry
i swear to God I feel like crying. Vorm? REINA

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Begovic or Mignolet.

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Only replacements i'd be satisfied with are Adler, Ter Stegen, Leno or Akinfeev - all of which are unlikely. Have a feeling we'll end up with Begovic Vorm or Mignolet unfortunately. Maybe i'm clutching at straws ed, but say ter stegen doesn't move to barca this summer, is there even the slightest chance of us being a realistic option? {Ed002's Note - I don't see him moving to Liverpool.}

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No need to cry lad. crnt see it happinin. be a good choice tho.

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I'd rather the Prem three than the other lot! A goal keeper is the one position where you should still look within the prem and not abroad. If Courtious were available he would be worth the risk but that's never happening to be honest.

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18 May 2013 20:42:19
Looks like Pepe is going, 95% sure.

I think its a big mistake, what does everyone else think?

I have no idea who his replacement is.

Cheers

Macca

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18 May 2013 21:38:03
Macca, if pepe does go to barca, any chance of Cristian Tello going the other way?

B O H

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Back half of this season reina has looked better but before that he has been poor for the last two seasons.

If he is going then we definitely need to use it as a chance of getting tello.
Otherwise don't let reina go.

LAVERS

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Depends who we replace him with, they have to remember we are losing carra and if we lose reina as well that's a lot of voice and leadership gone

If we replace him with a courtois, ter stegen, akinfeev then that's okay

But if we replace him with al habsi then we can say goodbye to CL

Im not sold on Mignolet I have to be honest he flaps about alot

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18 May 2013 21:49:49
Hi Macca,

Real shame to see Pepe going, I think he has been a great servant to the club over the years but the club is bigger than any player we have. Just hope we get a good young replacement ;)

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Terrible decision by the club if true, no one on the market better when he's on form

JOZLFC

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18 May 2013 22:00:24
I'm comfortable with this Macca, so long as we get 10m + for him. We could use the extra cash somewhere we need it such as the back line. I would be happy for us to replace Reina with Alex McCarthy also. English, young, very talented & will not want to play in the Championship.

Reina

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I think we will be losing not just one player with massive influence in the dressing room then. I expected him to stay it'll be a big loss losing both Jamie and Pepe. Hope we have someone already lined up. i'd take Cesar and McCarthy.

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Horrible horrible news for me.
and brad jones will stay?
great. no top 4 next season either.
i will support curling instead of wasting my hard earned money on "transitional seasons" BS

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18 May 2013 22:23:10
If Macca is right that Reina will be gone then we need to replace him with Ter Stegan

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Ahh, gutted about that. International standard we're losing there, that's not a good thing. And is a big personality in the dressing room too. That'll be two leaders gone - him and Carra.
I hope BR is going to be able to replace that.
The Juicer

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I'm fine with that. I reckon we should go for Mingolet as he has BPL experience.

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18 May 2013 22:34:28
I rate pepe highly love him to bits but he hasn't seemed up for it for the past few seasons he used to be so vocal on the pitch, now he seems to show no emotion playing for us maybe it is the right time for him to go if that's what he wants,

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Im with you big d

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Got a tough job this summer not only are we losing good players in carra and pepe but characters in the dressing room aswell

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If you want tello as part of the deal it means we will have little to no money to replace him with. Can't see it happening!

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We should look be looking for around 15-20m for an established world class keeper like Reina. I think we should be really cheeky and try and do a deal for Sanchez with Reina involved as I doubt they will let Tello leave.

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18 May 2013 23:02:54
Thanks for insight Macca.

It would be a loss in leadership, but Pepe has been going downhill for a few years with some streaks of his old brilliance. Get a good price or someone from Barca coming the otherway. My only concerns are who is going to replace him. Brad jones is a reliable back up, but I'm not comfortable with him being our #1. The keepers we have been linked with that seem plausible are good keepers, but I'm unsure of their distribution from back and ability to pass comfortably. Pepe could pass better than average and I see that as a bit requisite in the overall assessment of his replacement. BR seems to like starting attacks from defense and we have seen this year players ability to adapt (or not), especially at our back when it's pivotal to avoid mistakes and pass convincingly to progress play.

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I will be gutted if Reina leaves because we won't get enough for him to get a keeper of his quality. It will be only when he is gone that some fans might understand how good he was.

The Irish Rover

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18 May 2013 21:08:10
Tried to post this the other day but it didn't go up.

Reina to Barce £8mil, McCarthy of Reading to replace him
Ericsson done deal. Agent in London this week to sort out. Apparently a big deal to make it happen
Papadopoulus (sp?) in as we'll providing his knee stands up to an extensive medical.

Growler

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18 May 2013 19:49:11
With Carra playing his last game do you think it would be a fitting tribute to "retire" the 23 shirt in his honour-what day think Ed {Ed002's Note - I have no thoughts on the matter.}

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No I don't. It would only bring up a big debate everytime someone has a shirt retired and our "fans" seem to have enough to moan about already.

MIKEY

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I think it should be retired

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In my opinion retiring shirts is ridiculous, why not just let your best players use those shirts

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I was thinking about the same thing, but that would surely mean we'd have to retire the #8 shirt when Gerrard retires, so can't see that happening.

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18 May 2013 23:21:43
Give Studge the number next season. It's his.

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I don't agree with retiring shirts like that. I understood when Marc-Vivien Foes shirt was retired after the tragedy that happened but retiring players shirts just because they've retired isn't right. What happens if in years to come a great like Carra whos wearing the number 7, 9 or 10 shirt retires, does that shirt go aswell? Or Gerrards No8 shirt, is that going to go when he finnishes and we'd never have a number 8 ever again.
In 30 odd years time we could have a chunk of squad numbers missing.

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Hes not even been that good a player, average at best.

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18 May 2013 18:45:53
just a general question. who would you say are among the top 5 brightest talents in world football right now. just your opinion

KrishnaYNWA

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18 May 2013 19:23:11
Coutinho should be on the list. Inter ballsed up! HAPPY DAYS :-D

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Gotze
Neymar
Hazard
Isco
Wilshere

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Gotze, Neymar, Lucas Moura, Isco and probably Inigo Martinez.

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Goetze, Draxler, Coutinho, Markovic, Musonda.

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Marquinhos
Gotze
Fischer
Neymar
Ter Stegen

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Come on! Wilshire seriously? He's a good player but outside of Britain he wouldn't get half the recognition.

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Sterling, Ibe, Rossiter, Sinclair, Yesil.

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Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Falcao, Aguero.

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Marquinhos
Fisher
Gotze
Neymar
Coutinho

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For me (in no particular order):

Courtois
Isco
Goetze
Hazard
Moura

Although Lukaku, Coutinho, and Oscar are all good as well. TBH, it's a bit frightening how many very good youngsters Chelsea have on the books.

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Wilshere? WILSHERE? Remind me exactly what wilshere has done apart from sit on the physios table? Pssht over hyped by the media he has a lot to prove like starting to score and assist for a start

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Lucas Moura
Eden Hazard
Willian
Douglas Costa
Dusan Tadic

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18 May 2013 22:25:47
de gea
hazard
neymar
zaha
coutinho

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Oscar
Hazard
Lukaku
De Bruyne
Courtois

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Sterling isco gotze neymar tello

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18 May 2013 17:27:58
I honestly hope we try to keep players such as reina, suarez and coates so we don't have to replace them as well as strengthen the rest of the team. I think stability is the key to a good start so i'm hoping 2-3 players are signed max.

In my opinion a solid start is the key to us getting top 4 so we need to keep the team as balanced as possible. I would sign a cb, a young dm and a winger (would love tello).

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Talking into def ears mate. as I predicted reina and suarez will be gone for peanuts :' ( worst news I have had for months and my father died a month ago! Sell reina and keep Brad Jones, it makes me loose all hope for next season!

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18 May 2013 16:53:40
Hi Eds,

Who do you tip for the Premiership title next season?

And who do you see in the Champions League qualification positions for next season?

Regards

Marc {Ed023's Note - 1. Chelsea 2. Man City 3. Man Utd 4. Liverpool (hopefully)}

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1 Chelsea 2 Spurs 3 Manchester United 4 Liverpool (hopefully)

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Spurs? get f***** real

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Spurs will finish 5th this season.
bale will leave and they will struggle to finish top 4 next season!
yet alone in the top 3. you must be a spud

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1Liverpool
2chelsea 
3spurs 
4manchester city 
5manchester utd {Ed023's Note - Oh wouldn't it be great..}

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18 May 2013 18:55:57
Yes this more of a question I wanted to read and answer. We get 1st spot and then. who really gives a flying monkeys? ;-D

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18 May 2013 18:57:58
i actually think utd will win it again, the current squad has the taste for the goods now and the young players will get better, I also see them signing strootman, baines and getting Ronaldo back. moyes is lucky to take over, then I rekon Chelsea then city then arsenal. I think we will find it too hard next year

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United
Chelsea
City
Arsenal
Spurs

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Spurs?

As if.

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I actually think utd will win it again, the current squad has the taste for the goods now and the young players will get better, I also see them signing strootman, baines and getting Ronaldo back. moyes is lucky to take over, then I rekon Chelsea then city then arsenal. I think we will find it too hard next year


this is Liverpool banter, not Manchester United dreams.

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1. Man City
2. Chelsea
3. Man United
4. Liverpool
5. Arsenal
6. Spurs

I don't think we are far away after our January signings as some people think.

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Chelski will struggle with whoever gets to manage them. City have good players but they play for cash not from the heart, a new manager will upset the balance. United were lucky to win league and I think Fergie knows the squad is weak. United could really struggle if they don't get a good start. Moyes could be in trouble by Xmas, their fans will demand instant success but may not get it! They have some decent players but they are not as good as Chelski. Arsenal have a decent squad so will be there or thereabouts.

my BOLD prediction.

1) Chelsea
2) Liverpool
3) Arsenal
4) City
5) United ( if they are lucky! )

tel 1949

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Without Fergie I think Utd will struggle a bit, Moyes won't be able to influence the referee's so much.
Fergie admitted he always put pressure on the refs ( he couldn't in European games Ha Ha)

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Tel, its about time u return to 1949 son. To much ice cream for u today.

Perth!

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Chelsea, get on them at 3/1 now while you can. Soon as Mourinho is confirmed and the 30+ million players start coming in they will start the season near to 13/8. Well I had 200 on them last week. I think with a few shrewd signings we definitely have a chance of top 4.

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Never get in the top four with BR. I would love him to do it but I really doubt he has a real winning mentality. Pretty football with no plan B.

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18 May 2013 16:07:51
Hi ed I saw u mention u think we'd go for a cheaper option but I disagree

Reason being its our club legend of over a decade retiring, our best center back an idol our leader our vice captain

For this reason I see us getting either papadopoulos or maybe alderweireld or someone with a good reputation and I think we'd even be happy to pay upwards of 15 million for this playet

Rodgers and fsg know we are expecting someone big to fill carras boots they know our expectations partocularly for carras replacement is very high

Also take into account we'll prob lose another full international in skrtel so I think we'll replace both with 1 top european centre back, kelly as back up along with a cheap 5 million pound buy like illori or mirin {Ed052's Note - I cannot see us spending all funds on 1 CB, when we want a winger, CM and others; if a 15m CB is planned, a lot of players will need to be sold}

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Hi ed OP here

If we have around 20 mill from fsg, 17 mill for carroll, 12 mill for skrtel, 5 mill coates, plus spearing and maybe shelvey we are looking at around 60 mill

That would cover everything we need I think

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Apparently according to clueless club legends we need 200 million £ to get back in the CL.

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Hi ed OP here

If we have around 20 mill from fsg, 17 mill for carroll, 12 mill for skrtel, 5 mill coates, plus spearing and maybe shelvey we are looking at around 60 mill

That would cover everything we need I think {Ed052's Note - yes, but will we get that much from sales. I dont think we'll spend 15m on a CB still}

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18 May 2013 15:40:18
Any info regarding the stadium reconstruction?

Nearly sure I read an announcement would be made in May?

Cheers!

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18 May 2013 14:47:55
Edz do u think andy king would be a good buy? {Ed052's Note - of Leicester. No}

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18 May 2013 14:40:57
Ed's as per the latest, Which 2 defenders would be the most likely to join?
Illori, Papdoupolos, Alderwield, lovren or Williams? {Ed052's Note - Illori and Lovren, both have been looked at (as gas Alderweield)}

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18 May 2013 14:26:34
Can't wait to read the the posts on here if Carroll and Sturridge hit it off for England.

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18 May 2013 13:58:20
ed is there any interest in kurt zouma of st. etienne? thanks, {Ed052's Note - Ed002 has answered this an awful lot... Arsenal looked at Zouma about a year or so ago. Manchester United in the summer and Manchester City recently. The Milan clubs and Juventus all see Zouma as a cheaper option to Benatia and both Manchester clubs remain very interested}

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He said he'd like to join Liverpool a few days ago.

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Any chance Liverpool could look at him this summer ed? thanks again in advance, {Ed052's Note - I guess we may look at him, but he would be very hard, and costly to get. I expect us to move for easier cheaper players}

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18 May 2013 13:16:37
Stadium news later this month. Also Arab investment very close. Thanks.

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Can you tell us something more about that.?

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18 May 2013 12:41:24
Jamie C will be truly missed

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18 May 2013 12:31:36
Hey Ed's Just a quick question. Which players do you see leaving us summer? I know of the interest in players like Reina, Suarez and Skrtel, but is it likely that all 3 will leave? Or are there other players that people are interested in? I just read something with Rodgers saying there will be a lot of outgoing players this summer.

Cheers
Daryll {Ed052's Note - a lot of players will be leaving. Wilson, Spearing, Carroll, Coates, Skrtel are all probable. Ngoo, Adorjan, Gulasci, Robinson, Flanagan, Reina and Suarez are also possible to leave too}

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Would Robinson be a permanent move or just a loan? I have always rated him, more so than Flanagan, seems to have more composure on the ball

Jay {Ed052's Note - Robbo could go on loan, or a perm if a cheap replacement is possible. We have been scouting LBs}

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18 May 2013 10:47:20
This player, that player. Pull the names out of a hat.

Wishful thinking of 4th place.

A golden period is over.

Only the best of the best in experienced managers can turn this Titanic around.

FSG just don't get it. It is not about splashing the cash, but making key appointments in the right areas. Biting the bullet and not employing 'Yes men'.

The decline will continue into a crisis point.

This all sounds very negative, but is our current direction.

Ancelotti, Capello or Benitez. Only men of this character can get a grip.

Port Sunlight, Starboard Darkness.

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Do one lad.

DaveyBootle

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Fool.
Jamesy

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Agreed with Davey, please do one or support our current manager who is getting things right.

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Benitez started d decline. he jumped ship, well was pushed and just aswell
5 gold stars

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This was my main point, all the way this season, if we wudve have Benitez this season we wudve won the league, arsenal was on dawn fall already, Tottenham and man u had not a good start, and man city they didn't manage to buy a world class player this season, and 4 manager like mancini is required them, and u seen them falling in the champions league, and the surprice of all is chelsea was on downfall and hu got them playing and wining Mr BENITEZ.

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Stick to your art galley and soap sunlight

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I agree go do one bloomin benitez fan boys

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Just get over it Rafa's gone, support the club and back the manager and the players!

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To OP and the bright spark who said 'if we wudve have Benitez this season we wudve won the league'

Cringe. Honestly, I really don't get where all this negativity is coming from. It's been a hit and miss season, but we've got a younger team, on less money, we've scored more goals, we're higher in the table than last season, we've had a brilliant January transfer window and the team are starting to gel together. Why don't you just try to at least be optimistic? Instead of sitting in your chair and complaining after BR has only had a single season. He needs more time, and he'll get it, just accept it and move on and stop scare mongering.

JFT 96

JP

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Would u stop that benitez saga?

We for the start the very reason benitez left us was the fall out with the management regarding transfer fund. He was not happy with them. No guess he would be same with fsg.

I don't doubt benitez managerial credential but, with fsg he won't be ideal man. Fsg want to build success on the field while earng money using Liverpool as investment. They are no roman or shaiks who would just throw in 100mln+ every year for trophy.

This approch isn't what big managers like. Except for rafa for being our ex. No manager would want that system. Big managers like jose pep turn us down because not bcoz we are not big. We are still one of the most decorated clubs around. But its the money that they need isn't there. Then u have to turn to guys like rodgers. Talented but inexperianced. And for gods sake look what he has transformed our team into. That team is young. Inconsistant and with less bench strength. Just give him few yr to solve these problem and same team would be up there fighting.

And for the guys that think he is not capable, get a grip in his 1st season branden rodgers has shown enough skills in match substitution, youth devolopment. Changing and aultering tactics and formation, and various other passing and attacking systems, the turn in form of hendo, downing and enrique shows his man management skills. This guy is a right guy. Just we need to built a proper wining squad.

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Not going to happen get on with it and get behind them only way forward is positivity i'm not a fsg or brendan full on lover they have made mistakes but who doesn't I have a little moan when things are poor but soon as i'm through them turnstiles i'm in full voice and most importantly not on forums websites sounding like every other club supporter there is a reason every other supporter and media hate us we are unique we are Liverpool and you my friend are a minority

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The key to success is stability and fans are the greatest risk to stability with their impatience.

Give the manager your support and please owners give him the time.

We should only be looking that progress is being made. And it is being made.

If we make progress every year then eventually will be where we want to be.

Davey Sulls

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This was my main point, all the way this season, if we wudve have Benitez this season we wudve won the league

i like rafa but tht is one of the most stupid comments I have ever read

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I don't see why Rodgers i'd deemed a yes man, the first thing he did was tell the board that under no circumstances that he'll work under a director of football. Also after the Dempsey and Sturridge debarcle last summer trust me Rodgers let the board know his feelings about it. He is far from a yes man. The back room team is now properly in place and a few new players will be added in the summer, Liverpool under Rodgers are only going to get stronger and stronger.

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Benitez had us almost crippled financially - paying the likes of Jovanovic 100k p/w and with the likes of Voronin, El Zhar and Degen on silly money.

He almost drove the club into the ground, and his major complaint was that he needed more money - whilst he couldn't offload most of the dross he had splurged on.

Don't forget that Rafa left us in 8th, playing awful football and we had a very unhappy squad.

Alonso had finally been pushed out as result of Gareth Barry fetish. We were linked with Kenwyne Jones and the return of Heskey.

Team selections were inexplicable as Rafa persisted on dropping anyone who had the temerity to play well.

To some people, Rafa's reign consisted of Istanbul, Utd away, finishing 2nd and smashing Real (a very crappy Real).

There was a lot more to it than that.

I like Rafa. But I do not want him back.

People like the OP clearly have selective memory issues. Blanking out the entire last season is inexplicable. It's as if time stopped when we finished 2nd.

Rafa could do a job somewhere with endless piles of cash - maybe.

It remains to be be seen if Rafa can create a stable, successful side that stays competitive. Even at Valencia his team and the board turned on him in the end.

He'd be a danger to teams (like us) who need to be careful with their money, and want to build for the long-term.

Rodgers has done great so far - he has reduced the wage-bill, reduced the average age of the squad - and finished higher than either Rafa or Kenny did in their final seasons - using less resources.

We are also playing great football and scoring lots of goals.

(this is the team that couldn't score in a hoor-house last season - and without a £35m striker - decision vindicated btw. ).

I would cry if Rafa came back.

The irony of all of this (in relation to the comments by the OP) is that if Rafa returned. I would for the first time be convinced that FSG really didn't know what they were doing.

Stick with Rodgers, he's young and doing very well. Very refreshing to see so much young talent being given the chance to shine throughout the season.

BJH YNWA

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18 May 2013 15:39:53
Can all these doubters give BR 1 more season to see how it goes. Every1 expects a quick fix and is bangout of order!Lets all be reminded on when Fergie started off with Man U.

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The OP is clueless. my cat has more of a clue.

also the plank who wrote we would have won the league with benitez. go support handball, its a much better sport for you. Much simpler.

Benitez took over chelsea 4 points off united, now they are 16 points behind utd, with chelsea's squad which is at least tripple the quality and quantity of ours. Clueless unsupportive knobs!

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Great reply BJH

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18 May 2013 10:24:07
hearing br saying that the squad needs more depht surprises me. more quality is what we need not depht, if assaidi was quality we would not be looking for another winger. same goes for cuates. we have enough players. with cuates/assaidi/spearing/carroll leaving and proberly skrtl we need to buy quality to replace them. I rather have us buy 3 players with the same impact coutinho/sturridge made than buy 5. we should spend big on a cb and a striker.

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Buy big on a cb and goal scoring am to replace downing mertens/erikson would be awsome add either cover or replacement for lucas a young def who can play cb or lb and cover for reina (mcarthy) were sorted

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Not to be rude mate but you don't seem to understand what 'depth' means when a manager says he wants more depth in a squad. Depth means more quality beyond the first 11/18 players. In other words having more quality further down the squad. So Brendan Rogers was saying exactly what you think, that the squad needs more quality.

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I love Port Sunlight, It used to have an open air baths and if you could swim a length under a certain time you could win a years contract. I think the loss of amenities may be the cause of the posters dark mood. This was 40 years ago however.

We are in a very tricky period, we need to shed our ( self imposed) inferiority complex and stake our flag at the summit

Red wool

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18 May 2013 10:12:32
Hi Eds may I just say great site and keep up the good work!.
Just a quick query for u, if Reina is to be sold which goalkeepers do you reckon Liverpool will look at?. cheers {Ed002's Note - Mingolet.}

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Ed002 was the speculation around McCarthy just paper talk then?

JFT 96

JP {Ed002's Note - The club looked at Begovic but decided he was too expensive and Al-Habsi as well. Right now Mingolet seems to be the preferred choice bu that may well change.}

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No chance motd fever in jan we looked at him but not just him he is not good enough

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Ed2 how serious is Barcelona interest in Reina? {Ed002's Note - I am not sure but there is no secret that there remains a good chance Reina will leave in the summer and Liverpool has been looking at goalkeepers. Barcelona still see ter Stegen as the long term solution but remain unsure if he is able to take the first team role this coming season. As such, a move for a player to cover for a year then take the back seat makes sense. To a certain extent, much will also be determined by what happens at Atletico Madrid as they too have an interest in Reina.}

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Thank God they moved away from Al-Habsi, that would have been a dire move. Also, when people were cracking on about Ochoa joining, was I right in assuming the FA blocked his move to Fulham a while ago due to his glove (having six fingers)?

JFT 96

JP

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Reina will be a very expensive signig for them if he is only for the short term!

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I personaly don't think reina will leave and hope not but and here goes for the uproar but I like Michel Vorm of swansea take the link of brendan and swansea away he is a good keeper top top keepers ain't going to come here so get over it I would like to see reina stay and vorm come in to push him but swansea would want silly money for him. awaiting back lash
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Why do athletico need a keeper? the have asenjo and joel who are both good young keepers or are the expected to be sold?

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18 May 2013 09:58:09
Hi Eds

Do you really think we have the funds available to compete in the transfer market this summer to buy players like Eriksen, Tello etc. ?
A friend of mine works for Deloit and has seen the accts of LFC in depth. He says it does not look healthy but not as bad as some other clubs, and transfers would require investment from owners or outside investors or preferably from player sales as this would keep the books balanced, and not add more debt to the club.
I value your opinion on this. Thanks {Ed002's Note - I have explained befroe that the club will need to move toward being self-fundinding.}

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Like chelsea mancity these owners
Are out of there depth they need to sell
Asap no ground no big money how do
They expect us to reach champions
League without a big transfer pot for
Br they destroyed his season with there
Penny pinching in the summer window
Leavingnus short of players untill the jan window the tv money going up they need
To give br a big transfer pot not buy to sell

{Ed002's Note - And you forgot the ungrateful idiots they have to suffer as fans.}

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Well said ed002. FSG are doing the right things. I would rather we followed Arsenals model if bent self sufficient, hopefully with more trophies, than have a sugar daddy like Chelsea or Man City.

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To ed002 is jw henry ......... {Ed002's Note - You are a foul piece of trash aren't you. You are an absolute embarrassment to both the club and the decent fans of the club.}

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18 May 2013 12:21:41
Ungrateful supporters? You only show gratitude to people who have your best intrests at heart, I am yet to see any reasons to show gratitude to these people in charge. I will leave it at that because my feelings toward them are knowin to most on here by now. I will be over the moon to see the back of them, sooner rather than later.

Waro

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Waro you are totally wrong FSG saved our football club from becoming another Leeds. To them I am extremely grateful. FSG have continually supported our managers. Dalglish wasted a lot of money 35 mill on Carroll. They have backed Rodgers well and are continuing to support him. I suppose if you enjoy your tantrums then carry them on.

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Liverpool are spending an absolute fortune! Look at January where Coutinho and Sturridge were bought. Both have been world class!

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So Waro the fact that they saved the club doesn't warrant 1 pinch of gratitude?!

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A genuine question for waro not trying to be abusive. where do you think the club would be if fsg had not taken over the club and who do you think is a real istic alternative to fsg

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18 May 2013 15:46:01
FSG saved us from the greasy clutches of Hicks & Gillette destroying us and bleeding us dry so they could fund their f****** baseball team! Everyone should be praising FSG

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18 May 2013 16:49:24
Chespool, there were plenty of other bids, can't say who from, but they were there and don't let anyone tell you any different.

And I would like to see the club sold to the fans, similar to a lot of other big clubs around europe. As I have said on here before, I can justify us being were we are today ( an ordinary side ) if the club were in the fans hands, at least we then know the club is in safe hands and doing things for the right reasons.

Waro

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You are a fool mr. Waro. if the club was ever sold to the fans we would end up like porthmouth!

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No disrespect intended, Waro, but while that seems a nice dream it doesn't seem overly practical. Times have changed and fan-based ownership would make it exceedingly difficult to compete anywhere near the highest levels in England. I'm sure someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the highest fan-owned teams are in League 2 at the moment (AFC Wimbledon, Portsmouth, maybe others?)? Personally, I'd much rather keep FSG than be in League 2.

The only reason this works relatively well in Germany is because at least 51% membership ownership is required placing everyone on sort of a level ground. Given that such limitations aren't in place, I simply don't think you could have a competitive fan-owned team in England.

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17 May 2013 19:51:16
Brendan Rodgers saying today - "The scouts are doing a terrific job: they are leaving no stone unturned in order to get us the players we need to improve, " said Rodgers.

"There are no bids in for anyone yet but there is a lot of work going on off the field.

"We don't have money to waste, we really have to make sure we are getting the right types of players in.

"If we can do that we can kick on again but the start point is much better. "

He wasn't talking about you was he Ed002?

BaldyRed

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Another January would do lovely. It had to have been the best window this club has had in years!

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If our players are under stones

Then they are all Crabs! {Ed023's Note - We be like a foosball team so next year, moving sideways through out :)}

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I am sure we will end up shelling out again. Andy K

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18 May 2013 09:07:54
Seems we are in for Ilori and Zouma to fill the void that Carragher and Coates will leave. Skrtel will be first choice along with Agger. Both players will cost in the region of £3.5m & £6m respectively.

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Skrtel plays his last game for the club tomorrow.

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18 May 2013 08:35:24
Morning just on people who want stew downing to be sold a lot of people on here are doing him a injustice right I agree he was poor in the first half but his over all play is really really good lately he works so hard for the team he is a great squad player and that's what we need depth (LUCAS, HENDO spring to mind) it took a few of them to get to grips with bucks system so been a Liverpool fan have we not been taught to give people a chance and support them JON96

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Downing needs to go. he is just not good enough. he is also 29, the players you mentioned are much younger.

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Downing being "really really good" still doesn't get me off my seat when he runs at defenders. He`s a squad player I personally want better but there you go well see.

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"I agree he was poor in the first half" - You seem to have a selective memory are you discounting his first season with us when his major contribution to the club was getting Kenny sacked.

Red Flag Flyer

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I do not believe downing is good enough to be starting every week for a club challenging for top 4 no matter how much he has improved this season. having said that I would actually keep him as a squad player. he works hard for the team can do a steady job and at 28/29 he is experienced. he's really not a bad player to have in and around the squad

christof

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Id definitely keep him, we need some experienced players and he's relatively versatile. LIke to see him play more games at wing back, although he's so bloody lightweight that he gets shrugged off the balls in 50 50s [FR]

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18 May 2013 06:54:48
Eds, will u have a review of this season soon? {Ed023's Note - I'll pass on the message for you}

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{Ed052's Note - hia OP. I think I may have done some sort of season review last year over on the profiles site. If people want a review, I will happily knock something toghether, but it wont be done for about a month. Perhaps another Ed will put something toghether although I know 01 is busy and 02 stays out of these things. Cheers}

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18 May 2013 06:24:58
Ideal Summer

Backup GK: McCarthy
Starting CB: Papadopoulus
Reserve CB: Zuma
LB: Sandro
CDM: Wanyama or Gustavo
Winger: Gaitan and Tello (Both would be great with Downing out)

The normal outs: Carroll, Skrtle, Coates, Spearing, Downing, Shelvey (Doesnt have the skill or attitude)

And yes I have watched everyone on this list multiple times except Zuma (who is still very highly rated and would only play in cup games first year or two). A front 4 of Sturridge, Suarez, Coutinho, Gaitain/Tello (the other being an impact sub) would score plenty and the defensive reinforcements will keep goals out. Thoughts?

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18 May 2013 08:14:54
gaitan release clause is 40 mill. no way we going to trigger it. arda turan will do it downing + 10 mill.

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It sounds all good but I don't see us signing any of them players sorry.

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You think Downing would go to Benfica in exchange?

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Harry,

I know Gaitan has a high clause but Benfica is in trouble and might be tempted for 18-20M. But if not Turan would be a fine 2nd choice.

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It worked on FM for Harry

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18 May 2013 01:59:04
In my opinion I think The following will leave this summer

Carroll (12-15 million),
Spearing (2-4 million),
Coates (5-7 million),
Pacheco (2-4 million),
Downing (10-12 million)

Giving us roughly 31-52 million to go with the funds that will be additionally made available to Rodgers. I'd like us to bring in with it.

T. Ilori 4-6 million.
L. Digne 7-8 million.
T. Alderweireld 10-13 million.
C. Eriksen 15-20 million.
A. Turan or I. Munian 20-22 million.
A quality young keeper should also be brought in say roughly 7-10 million.

This totals 63-79 million which is possible with the additional funds Rodgers will be allowed to work in. Couldn't complain if the squad attained the above players for next season.

I know Eriksen and Turan may not arrive admittadley but it's just my preferred choice.

Jonesred

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Carroll - 10m
Spearing - 1m
Coates - 3m
Pacheco - 500k
Downing - 7m

if we lucky.

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I think those prices are a bit optimistic.

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Pacheo 0. 5 m tops
downing 8 m tops

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18 May 2013 01:50:14
hi eds, do you still think ince would move this summer? I read his dad doesn't want him to leave but I hope he chooses otherwise.

18 goals and 15 assists this season shows he's just the player we need on the wing and at 21 he can only get better and stronger. {Ed052's Note - I think its possible yes, but to a lower Prem club, where he would play week in week out}

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17 May 2013 23:17:43
Hey eds,
You've mentioned the Bayern clearout, if Suarez should go that way, would it be possible or Mueller to be part of the deal? I believe ed 002 mentioned he was on the list of the possible players for the chop, even if not, would Liverpool be interested in him? He's extremely versatile in attacking roles. I could see him replacing stevie in a few years, or Suarez should he leave. {Ed052's Note - Mueller may go - which seems odd to me - but he wont be an option to us at all}

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18 May 2013 08:15:54
Muller is the only replacement for suarez. he is an excellent player.

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I think muller is overrated to be honest. He's good but not a world beater and coutinho is a better player in my opinion.

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Muller replacment for Suarez? Harry get of the sause mate {Ed002's Note - Nobody expects Mueller to leave.}

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16 May 2013 14:07:08
ed was just wondering as we arebt pkaying for anything is do you think rodgers will give a few of the youngsters ago eg suso, teixera, lloyd, mcloghlin, sterling, coady, etc not all of them obviously was just wondering thanks for any reply {Ed052's Note - I think there will again be one or two youngsters on the bench, yes}

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18 May 2013 00:35:13
Come on guys, let's have a little friendly debate. You don't have to think too much or analyse anything or write an essay justifying your decisions.

Current world top 5:

Here's mine

1) Barca
2) Bayern
3) Real Madrid
4) Dortmund
5) PSG

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1)Bayern
2)Barca
3)Dortmund
4)Real Madrid
5)Juventus

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Psg are defintley not in the top 5 Manchester United are way ahead, as much as it pains me to say so

13reds

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18 May 2013 01:51:36
as a die hard Liverpool fan

Bayern munich
barcelona
man united
real madrid
dortmund

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1) Bayern
2) Barca
3) Dortmund
4) Madrid
5) Man United

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Right now I'd say

1. Bayern
2. Barcelona
3. Dortmund
4. Juventus
5. PSG

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Bayern
Barcelona
Dortmund
Real Madrid
Manchester United

Young Red

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No way is Barca ahead of Bayern after the CL decimation. Based on Europe and league form here is my list.

Top 5
Bayern
Juventus
Dortmund
Barcelona
Man United

Just missed
PSG
Athletico
Real

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United
Chelsea
R. Madrid
Barca
Bayern

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You've all missed Chelsea.

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1. Bayern
2. Barca
3. Man united
4. Dortmund
5. Real Madrid

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Bayern
Barca
Madrid
Dortmund
United

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1. Liverpool
2. Bayern
3. Barca
4. Dortmund
5. Madrid

DBol.

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18 May 2013 00:32:31
They don't have 50m to spend plus Suarez wants to stay at least for another year to see if we can get top 4. Then he'll sign for life and be a legend!

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Then I woke up and went to the job centre to collect my benefits.

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18 May 2013 00:19:59
Well it's been a while since i've posted but cannot let this weekend go without a comment. Anyone on here or for that matter outside if here, who has or would like to have a go at the legend that is JC 23 really does need to take a step back and actually look at what this guy has done for us and what WE actually mean to HIM!

Before anyone has a go about his lack of ability, the guy has more ability, heart, effort and passion than most of us on here can ever have or even appreciate. He is the second in the list of all time appearances and I have had the privallage of seeing both Carra and Cally!

I really hope for your sake that you enjoy Carra's performance on Sunday, as when Cally finished I did'nt, due to being to "young" to appreciate!

Collectively, we have prasied, Sami (correctly so!) Henchoz, Agger, Skrtyl etc, but throughout all came through a local lad, a Bootle Buck, a blue, but more importantly a top, top player for us. Who can forget 2005, who can forget his response to a question over a bigger club looking at him? The man deserve's a fantastic send off on Sunday and as also earned the right not to be slated by LFC fans, show your class and show him that at least!

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Sorry thought I had registered, It's T-Mac posting this!

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I remember Athens mate but we don't like to talk about that

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17 May 2013 23:58:09
I don't understand why we would be looking at attacking midfielders when Coutinho is absolute class in that position. In the few months he has been here, dispite his small frame he has adapted to the EPL seamlessly, imagine the player he will be in a few seasons when he has worked on his strength. Build the squad correctly and we could have him for at least the next 5 - 7 years and beyond. We need to beef up our midfield, but why take him out of that position when he is an absolute beast?! In my opinion we should be concentrating on wingers and defenders. All the clubs are talking about Eriksen, but in a few seasons Coutinho will be the player every team wants and hopefully he will be rejecting offers left right and centre

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Agree.

Besides the defensive reinforcements, I only think we need a top DM and top RF that scores goals.

Front 4 I would like:

Sturridge
Suarez Coutinho Mehrtens (or Tello)

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Agreed. I wouldn't swap Coutinho for Eriksen. Someone to replace Downing and another to replace Skrtel should be priority

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17 May 2013 23:35:14
Anyone else think Mourinho out, Rafa in at Real Madrid? Surely Everton don't want him and he would never go!

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17 May 2013 23:34:40
When is Brendan going to open those envelopes

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Reina, skrtel are definitely 2 of the names (even though reina has improved a lot in the last quarter of the season (consistancy is what we want tho)

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When he learns how to!

Bom Boom

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Br in the envelope

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The envelopes were empty!

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Marsh, Acterberg and a P45?

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