Liverpool Banter Archive March 18 2011

 

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18 Mar 2011 23:46:31
Man in the
the boat,

fish in the
the sea,

birds in the
the bush,

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 23:40:50
Hi ed, would you like to see bellamy back, i think he would be good signing, played brill for city?jimmybosun. {Ed001's Note - too much trouble off the pitch and I don't think he is really good enough, he is hardly lighting up the Championship is he?}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 23:11:11
Yesterday we got proof for what we already knew! Our squad are not good enough. We have some good players, but there are not enough of them.

Youngsters will get there time their time in the spotlight. But for the moment the need to strengthen our squad and kick some no good players out.


1:st team:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Reina- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kelly- - - - - - - - - -?- - - - - - -Agger- - - - - - -?
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- - - - - - -Meireles- - - - - - - - - ?- - - - - - - - -
- - - ?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Suarez- - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Carroll- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Squad players:
GK - Gulasci,
RB - Flanagan, Johnson
CB - Carra, Ayala, Wilson, Wisdom
LB - Mavinga, Robinson
CDM - Lucas, Coady
CM - Gerrard, Shelvey, Suso
RWM - ?, Sterling, Amoo
LWM - ?, MARVEAUX (if he's fit by summer)
RF - Kuyt
LF - Pacheco
ST - Eccleston


This would mean we need 8 players; 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 CDM, 1 CM, 1 RWM, 2 LWM and 1 RF. We probably can't make all this in the summer, so I think we ought to go for 1 LB, 1 CDM, 1 RWM and 1 or 2 LWM. Other 3 or 4 positions to be filled the season after.


Best 5 options for each position as far I'm concerned:

CB - Hummels (depending on if Dortmund can keep Subotic, otherwise they won't sell Hummels), Sakho, Cahill, Louvren, Musacchio

LB - Baines, Cissokho, Schmelzer, Kadlec, Taiwo

CDM - M'Vila, Martinez, Matuidi, Vidal, Gago

CM - Sahin (probably not possible this summer though), Defour, Honda, Pjanic, Banega

RWM - Sanchez, Payet, Navas, Cazorla, Hernandez

LWM - Marveaux (if he's fit by the summer) + Turan, Young, Dzsudzsak, Bastos, Elia

RF - Hulk, Gervinho, Lavezzi, Rossi, Bojan

Of course some options are more likely than others. I don't think any of the options are impossible though. Even if some eds keep saying that about Sanchez for an example.


LFC for life

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 22:27:17
We obviously need vast improvements in our squad and do we really have the funds for 2 defenders, a cm, 1/ 2 wingers and a back-up striker. . no.

we could scout youngsters from lower legeaus and there has already been interest in zaha and wickham.

There are many free agents avaidable aswell and although old they could still improve the squad as strength in depth is what we lack: (spelling)

Bosingwa, elmander, upson, reo-coker, carew, Larsson, hines, obinna, m.diarra, senna, alcantra, thiago, nesta, pirlo, inzaghi, crespo, mexes, taiwo, marveaux, makelele, douchez(gk), emanuelson,
Klose, Gilberto.

a few of these players could make first team and could defonately be great bench players if funds are lacking.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 22:14:46
Rafa's team that he made in a few years with funds from those to big and small fat blokes:
Reina
Arberloa/ Johnson Carragher Hypia/ Agger Aurelio/ Risse
Benayoun Mascherano Alonso Reira/ Babel
Gerrard
Torres/ Crouch
(Not mentioning youth players)
Players left, in the above team, during Rafa's time:
Arberloa, Hypia, Risse, Benayoun, Alonso, Reira, Crouch
Player(s) Left during Roy's time: Mascherano
Players brought in by Rafa, Roy, Dalglish to replace them:
Arberloa: Johnson
Hypia: Skrtel, Kyriagkos
Risse: Konchesky
Benayoun: Meireles, Cole
Mascherano: nobody
Alonso: Aqualani
Reira: Jovanovic
Babel: nobody
Crouch: Carroll
Torres: nobody, Suarez was brought in to play along side Torres

Now you tell me, out of the many quality players sold, how many have been replaced adequately? Hypia was never replace properly, Risse wasn't replaced properly, Mascherano wasn't replaced at all, Alonso wasn't replaced properly, Reira wasn't replaced properly, Babel wasn't replaced properly and Torres wasn't replaced at all.
come the summer we need to be getting players like Adam, Kuba (that guy who plays for PSV with a very long and complicated name, the winger), Turan, Marveux, Bojan, Martinez, Gago, Benega and Benzema! We won't get them all but with the ones we do get, we can be challenging for top 5 maybe even Fourth place as realistic target. We are never going to push aside Chelsea, Arsenal, Man city and Spurs but we can try!
Also, realistically, Sanchez, Hazard and all the other massive names linked will NOT be coming. Considering it will cost over £100 to get the likes of them sort of players.

lil_elf

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 22:03:22
Basically we need winger
We are so narrow in our play
There is no variation in our play
We play everthing in the middle
We log ball into Andy Carroll
We can't play different way
We can't play without Stevie Gerrard
We haven't got any idea

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An Italian player called Aquilani would fill our gap and help us play more creatively. PLEASE COME BACK AQUAMAN!

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He will not be comming back his agent and the Player has said that he will not come back to Liverpool he does not have the physical presence for the PL.

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NOT HAVE A PHYSICAL PRESENCE MY ARSE! , So the most amounts of assists last year means completly nothing or is he still TOO WEAK?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 22:05:49
Nine games to go to end this disasterous season - Nine games to introduce some of the younger players. There is absolutely no point in using players like Carragher, Poulsen, Maxi, Cole, Jovanovic, N'gog,
Spearing, Kyrgiakos. Bring in players like Wilson (CM), Pacheco, Darby, Irwin, Coady, Ince and maybe Suso and Stirling sparingly. They will make mistakes but they will learn. The current crop continually under-perform so there will very little deteriation in the team. Come on Kenny, if you want the job make the decisions. The fans will support you but only if you are strong.
Mal 42

Sorry is that wilson to play cm, coz he's a defender, and irwin under performes for the ressies, im sure darby is on loan, ince is as good as jova so hes a no, coady i agree i like him, suso and sterling are not physically ready, there are small, and need more upper body strenth first, We don't have much to work with at the mo

Sorry, I meant Wilson as a CD but looking at your grammar you will realise that it is easy to make a mistake. The point is that some of the reserves should now be given an opportunity to prove themselves. I realise that Suso and Sterling are small but they are always going to be like that - not everyone is big and strong like Carragher or Carroll. I said sparingly by which I meant that they could perhaps be brought on as substitutes for the ten minutes which seems to be the pattern at LFC at the moment!
Mal 42

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 21:32:56
A suprise target for the king is man city badboy mario balloteli! I was shocked as eveyone when i heard this but my source is pretty reliable. The fee is looking to be about 16m

Hilarious

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 21:01:31
With regards to signings in the summer i would love us to look at: loris or de gea if pepe decides to leave.
clichy or baines for left back
turan, sanchez or navas for the wings
muller swinestiger or martinez for midfield
podolski or lavessi as third stiker.
with these additions i think we would have a very strong squad that would be capable of ruling the premier league and conquer europe. With the likes of coady, suso, ince, silva, pacheco, shelvey and wilson stepping up for next season i think things are looking very bright for the reds.What do you think of these players Eds(would love to hear all your opinions if poss but i realise how busy you guys are) and also is there any possibility of these and if so whats the latest info?
keep up the excellent work chaps i {Ed001's Note - very little chance of any of those happening, thankfully in the case of Clichy.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:38:42
Eds i bet you get quite bored repeating the same rumours and answering the same questions over and over so here's hopefully a change of speed for you. Do you think that the lack of central midfield players that can do everything ( pass, tackle, score goals etc) and therefore their subsequent price has led to more teams buying specialist defensive/ offensive central midfielders or are other factors such as tactics, formations and the speed of the modern game bigger factors? {Ed003's Note -I would go along with your latter points,but I'm sure every manager would love an "all action" midfielder if the price was right}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:32:44
Basically we need winger
We are so narrow in our play
There is no variation in our play
We play everthing in the middle
We log ball into Andy Carroll
We can't play different way
We can't play without Stevie Gerrard
We haven't got any idea

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An Italian player called Aquilani would fill our gap and help us play more creatively. PLEASE COME BACK AQUAMAN!

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He will not be comming back his agent and the Player has said that he will not come back to Liverpool he does not have the physical presence for the PL.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:27:36
- - - - - - Reina- - - - - - -
Johnsen-Kelly-Agger-Cristico
- - - - - - -Lucas- - - - - -
- - Gerrard- - Merleies- - -
Suarez- - Carroll- -Dudesak(S)

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:24:18
Ed002's Note - The only centre back where I know of concerted effort is Claudemir and that has gone quiet. Baines interest is rumoured - I don't know how good the rumours are.}
Claudemir is actually a central midfielder i would of expected you to know that considering you have so many contacts

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:11:47
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18 Mar 2011 19:56:35
Reina
Kelly Richards agger Baines
Gerrard
Hamsik marveaux
Meireles
Suarez carroll

Subs
Lucas
Kuyt
Jones
Wilson
Carragher
Elia
Lukaku

Realistic is it not?

You've got Gerrard playing too deep. He's not a holding/ midfielder. He needs to be in an attacking position either behind the front two or on the right side of midfield. I would put Honda/ Adam in that deep lying midfield spot.
Reina
Kelly Richards Agger Baines
Honda/ Adam
Gerrard/ Hamsik Marveaux
Meireles/ Gerrard
Suarez Carroll

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 20:01:27
Alright Ed,
Can see many changes in the backroom in the summer?

Thanks
Stu.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:56:35
Reina
Kelly Richards agger Baines
Gerrard
Hamsik marveaux
Meireles
Suarez carroll

Subs
Lucas
Kuyt
Jones
Wilson
Carragher
Elia
Lukaku

Realistic is it not?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:51:32
{Ed002's Note - He has been the best player at a decidedly average club. It is unsustained and unproven when surrounded by decent players. Macca has said the deal is effectively done; I hope it works out for Liverpool but I would have put my money elsewhere.}

For a moment there ED I thought you was talking about Carroll. . ha
IMO he would be even better surrounded by better players. He's definitely a steal. I have no doubt that he's going to step up to the plate & take the bull by the horns.
I usually don't post my name, but I want to be able to say "I TOLD YOU SO" next year when we get our hands on some silverware.
S LODGE

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:35:23
What about Barbosa the young one who played on the right for braga?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:31:00
18 Mar 2011 18:43:05
Did someone say Alan from Braga would soon be a free agent? , Not a bad player I say.
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he'd be good for a squad player and back up winger, i'm sure his wages would be very low but hes not that young

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:26:43
Tottenham v West Ham -2-2 2-1 1-0
Aston Villa v Wolves -x 2-0 1-1
Blackburn v Blackpool -x 2-1 2-2
Man Utd v Bolton -x 2-0 4-0
Stoke v Newcastle x-x 2-1 3-2
West Brom v Arsenal x-x 1-1 1-2
Wigan v Birmingham x-x 0-0 2-0
Everton v Fulham x-x 2-1 3-1
Sunderland 2-1 Liverpool x-x 2-1 5-0
Chelsea 1-1 Man City x-x 1-1 3-3

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 19:23:28
We are not havin a go at KK cos for me he needs time, which rafa had by the way, to bring in his own players and get them playing. But the current squad is full of average players and our league position is a fair reflection of this.
I'd love to know your views on the current squad. .

Ok appollogies for spelling.

Reina- top goalie, 1st team
Carragher- good leader, organises defence, poor passer, no
Pace, squad player.
Skertle- tough challenger, brave but not a leader or a
Defencive organiser. Squad player.
Agger- great attacking defender, my only qualm is he too
Injury prone. In two minds wether it's squad or sell.
Johnston- great attacking skills and can cross. Defensively
Questionable. On his day great but not consistent
Enough for me. Maybe he's out of position so I'd
Try right wing for a while. Squad
Aurelio- to injury prone, not young, defensive questionable.
Sell.
The Greek- Big, solid and clumsy. Not young. Sell
Maxi- not consistent and doesn't score enough. Lack of
M.o.M. Sell.
Lucus. Improved a lot. Been at the club since a kid, I was
In two minds about this one. Arguably not a Liv
Player and gives the ball away to easily but then
His wages are reasonable ( for this Market), he's
Young and gives a hundred % everytime. This
I suppose has swayed me not to sell. Squad.
Gerrard- better than most midfields and arguebly the
Clubs greatest. Injury prone but still has desire
Determination, vision and drive. Still worldclass
So I say 1st team.
Poulsen- short n sweet gotta go
Cole- inconstant and expensive. Sell
Ngog- sell
Kuyt- workhorse but for me. Squad
Carroll- big, strong, great left foot and arguably the best
Header of the ball in the game ( arguably with tim
Cahill), but can be clumsy. A striker partner rather
Than a striker. 1st team.
Suarez- great attacting mind with a goalscorers touch. Can
Drift in and out of games but certainly a handfull.
He's our striker. 1st team.
Kelly-promising, 1st team
Spearing- neat and tidy. Squad.
Shelvey- squad
We have great youth too.

Now your turn

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:56:54
If city or utd win the f.a cup and we come 6th will we still qualify for europe?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:57:20
Two things needed for next season, pace and guile. The left side does not function nor the right of midfield. Pace stretches teams and flair unlocks well structured teams. Stevie and Suarez definately would have improved things substantially. KK is not soft and we will see these sorted in the summer. It will be a different performance against Sunderland with Suarez and the big man. Players like Adam and Young have unlocked defences all season and would fit in well and give more flexibility and balance. Not going to undermine any players by slagging them off, the team needs our support. Keep believing lads.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:54:09
Ed what would you rate on a scale of 1-20 do you think the chances of getting marveaux, hazard, pastore, sanchez, m vila and adam johnson are?

Could you also say where you think they may go if not here, thanks love the site. . totaly addicted lol {Ed007's Note - No comment! lol apart for a thanks for the praise}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:43:05
Did someone say Alan from Braga would soon be a free agent? , Not a bad player I say.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:40:48
Basically we need winger
We are so narrow in our play
There is no variation in our play
We play everthing in the middle
We log ball into Andy Carroll
We can't play different way
We can't play without Stevie Gerrard
We haven't got any idea

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An Italian player called Aquilani would fill our gap and help us play more creatively. PLEASE COME BACK AQUAMAN!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:25:28
Recently there was a post on here claiming that Jack Rodwell claimed that he was going to be wearing the no.11 shirt next season at Anfield. At the time I dismissed the rumour because I was sure that he and Moyes would rather that he went to Utd.

However an Everton fan that I work with said that his son (who was at the game last night and who was interviewed for LFC now) heard that a deal is in place for Rodwell to become a red next season as he won't play for man ure.

I don't know how much substance there is to the rumour but I thought I would share it with everyone to vote on. Have any of the eds heard anything regarding this? {Ed007's Note - I don't personally rate Rodwell myself, but as far as I am led to believe Utd seems his likely destination}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:20:02
After last night I think you all need to re-think your wish-lists. .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:17:33
Basically we need winger
We are so narrow in our play
There is no variation in our play
We play everthing in the middle
We log ball into Andy Carroll
We can't play different way
We can't play without Stevie Gerrard
We haven't got any idea

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:58:42
18 Mar 2011 14:32:21
Hey ed. .
if man utd or man city wins the fa cup and also qualify for champs league then will the 6th position qualify for europa league ?

please Reply Ed

CLeO
YNWA

{Ed002's Note - No.}

*******************
Ed
then who will?get your facts clear

roman red {Ed007's Note - I don't know, but I'll try to find out}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:00:31
Reina - bouzanis/ gulcsi
johnson - kelly
*sakho - ayala
agger - wilson
*criscito - aurelio/ mavinga
*marveaux - bruna
lucas - *M'vila/ *Gago
meireles - *moussa sissoko
*payet - maxi
suarez - (*)bojan or pacheco
*benzema - carroll

= a total of 7 players in possibly 8 with bojan on loan.
-sakho replacing skrtel =£15 to 20mil - 8(skrtel sale)
-criscito in with insua out 8 to 12mil- 0 think insua free
-m'vila or gago replacing poulsen 2 to 2.5
-marveaux (riera replacement)
-sissoko replacing gerrard
-payet taking maxi's place
-benzema taking carrolls place
and possibly bojan on season long backing up suarez if not then pacheco. .

sakho - 14 to 20
criscito - 8 to 12
m'vila -15 or gago - 8
marveaux - free
sissoko - 12-17
payet - 12-15
benzema - 20+
bojan? ? ?
=90
Skrtel - 8-10
Gerrard - 20+
Poulsen - 2-2.5
Cole - 2-4
Degen - 2-4
Jones - 1
El zhar?
Darby?
Ecclston?
Spearing?
= 40
Net spent 50mil

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 18:00:40
Depending on the money we have we should look to get a CB, maybe LB, CDM, CM, 2 WINGERS and a backup STRIKER.

i doubt we will have the funds for this even if we sell current players.
we could look to purchase youngsters from the lower leagues to be a squad for the future.
failing this there are many quality free agents unless contracts have been signed all these players contracts would run out this summer. (spelling).

Aliadiere
Marveaux-rennes
Taiwo-marseille
Obinna-westham
Elmander-bolton
Upson-westham
Reo-coker-westham
Anichebe-everton
Hines-westham
m.diarra-madrid
seedorf-milan
jankulovski-milan
makelele-psv
douchez-(gk) rennes
alan-braga
kewell
Shevchenko
Klose-bayern
Wijnaldum-az
Emmanuelson-ajax

there will be other interest but many of these players would make good additions although old and give us strength in-depth which is what we really lacked.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:50:22
Hello ed, please forgive me if you have answered it before but can you tell me who were the players for whom we lodged concrete bids in january or pursued positively(apart from suarez and carroll of course). Just get the feeling there were some who weren't mentioned in the media. Cheers

LONG LIVE THE KING

VM YNWA {Ed007's Note - Sorry mate, wrong Ed to ask right now}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:41:28
Ed how do you think the negotiating is going with potential players, do you think the top players are prepared to come. I would love us to get players like M'villa and hazard {Ed002's Note - Repeatedly asking the same question will not get a different response. M'Vila is a possibility in my opinion but Macca says Adam is all but done for midfield; Hazard in a near zip chance of happening - just like 5 minutes ago.}

How about now Ed, Is Edan Hazard on his way, Has he changed his mind, Is Liverpool now his prefered destination. Also heard the M'Vila interest has died down since you made this comment :) lol

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:32:21
{Ed002's Note - Aquilani went not because of "Roy Hodgson's stupid decision" but because he hated life at Liverpool.}
ed i know you support chealse but you could word things differently like swap hated for didn't like.A lot of
youre posts are of a similar ilk.thanks

aintree dave {Ed007's Note - Different Ed just now mate}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:12:14
We are not havin a go at KK cos for me he needs time, which rafa had by the way, to bring in his own players and get them playing. But the current squad is full of average players and our league position is a fair reflection of this.
I'd love to know your views on the current squad. .

Ok, I believe that it was time for managment change but only when the right person was available not a rush decision by replacing him with someone on the basis of a cup run was just ludicrous.
Yet there was media and some fans actualy wanting this change. This was clearly the wrong decision and has cost us.
Unless you have city money, it takes a foreign manager upto 5 years tobe successful and a EPL experienced manager upto 3.
Foriegn need to understand culture, clubs, Styles, histories, squad, British transfer, youth, opposition, opposition managers, etc etc etc.
There is no quick fix.
As for my opinions on squad. Well for a start Carragher ( me pass back or huth foward), isn't the player he was and probably about time he just became a squad player.
Gerrard is always injured season in and season out and now it's time for his cover.
We have decent players but need a CB, LB, DCM, LM, CM ( passer with vision) and a backup striker.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:05:31
To the ed Claudemir is a central midfielder and not a cb he would also be a great signing {Ed007's Note - Wasn't me lol}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:00:44
Heey ed just wanted 2 which centre backs we are interested in. or if you think we will sign a defender in the summer then who?
Also is there any real interest in Baines because from what ive heard he is a liverpool fan
cheers and keep up the gd work :)

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 17:01:08
Reflecting on last nights game. it just goes to prove just how poor some of the players we have at our club. . plenty of heart and determination. . .total lack of quality, pace, guile and craft. . .our game plan was to hit 50 yards balls up to carroll and feed of the breaks(not kennys fault. this with players he had was his only tactic available). . .have we really come to this. . .very few times did we get down the sides of braga and whip a dangerous cross. .WHY?. .because we have not got a stitch of a winger on either side. .braga pushed up and played a high line. WHY?. . because we had no one on the pitch to run in behind them or at them with blistering pace. . andy carroll would be lethel in the box if quality crosses were provided. .king kenny has a massive job bringing up the level of our squad in the summer. .i fear deep pockets will be needed to find ourselves in the top four next season. . and a clearout of the weak, old, fringe, talentless players we have on our books. .with the prospect of no european football next season tell me one top player that sign for us in the summer?. . in my opinion we are short 2xLBs, 1CD, 2LWs, 2RWs, DCM, AM/ FC, SC. . .NAMES WILL BE BANDED ABOUT FOR THESE POSITIONS, but reality will dictate what players and how many we sign in the summer. .realising the gigantic task ahead to bringing us to where we THINK we should be is the START of a trek up mount everest. .all we can hope for this season is to win as many of remain games and see where it takes us. . then give kenny his contract and back the man with the chequebook. .YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:50:01
Was wondering ed out of 10 what do you think the chances are of us selling

Lucas
Kyriakos
Rodriguez
Kuyt

and also what do you think will happen to Aquilani.
Really appreciate the gd feedback on this site, thanks. keep it up :) {Ed007's Note - Wrong Ed to ask mate, sorry, but thanks for the praise}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:45:39
6 wins; 4 draws and 4 defeats with 16 goals for and 11 against

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:42:07
Need yann m'vila, looks like a top player , already playing for france in cm and he's only 20. . add some width, a left back and another centre back then we can push for a champions league spot next season
YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:29:31
Ive been saying for a long time to people on here how average our team is we have nothing in midfield poor defence jamie hoof hoof carragher was in his element last night terrible long balls all night we have no creativity lucas is a nothing player he makes up the numbers and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a clue about football. i know we were missing suarez and gerrard but we need a major overhaul. It was amazing to see wimbledon fc. in european action. In my opinion steve clarke is having a too much influence non team matters and we are playing very defensively. Although maybe with better players it would come good.
DCG

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:30:57
It took Rafa loads of money, a fair few seasons and a few donkey bought to get to this team:


- - - - - - - REINA- - - - - - - -
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- - Arbeloa-Carra -Agger or Hyypia - -Insua
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- - - - - - - Macherano- - - - - - - -
-Benayoun- - - Alonso - - - - Riera
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- - - - - - - -Gerrard - - - - -
- - - - - - - - -Torres- - - - - - -

Apart from Insua this team came close to Winning the League.

The Question is can Kenny build a team as balanced, strong defensively and have enough creativity to score freely?? and how long will it take?? and how much are FSG willing to invest to get this??

Lot more questions than answers.

YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:26:56
Ed, people always say that we have not got a chance of signing players like sanchez. However henry has said he wants to win the league by 2013 and if that is the case they are going to need to spend a lot of money to get the absolutely top players. We are not going to make up ground on the other teams if we don't spend as much or more money than them. If they can convince players like sanchez or hazard that the club are going places then I think they might be interested as they are likely to get first team football that they are not sure of at other clubs {Ed002's Note - Sanchez has a number of options available to him including Chelsea, Inter Milan, Manchester United and Barcelona. His club are likely to screw aroiund with the cost and push it so high over the summer that no one will be interested. A move to Chelsea was all but complete in January. Liverpool seems a very unlikely destination. Hazard has been courted by Arsenal and Real Madrid. Comolli said he liked the player and Hazard said he would not be interested in a move to Liverpool. Again it seems unlikely.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:23:41
Ed is there any chance that kenny will not be the manager next season if results dipped would you say?

{Ed002's Note - There is always a chance that he will not be manager - and a whole host of reasons why that could happen.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:22:36
Just been thinking about the standard of players liverpool want.
Good enough for LFC's first team: -
Reina
Agger
Skrtel
Kelly
Johnson
Gerrard
Meireles
Carrol
Suarez

Good enough squad players: -
Lucas
Carragher
Aurelio
Kuyt
J.Cole
(all this excluding the likes of Jonjo, Pacheco, Suso, Coady and the likes as they will be good enough in the future)
This really isn't good enough, we need more quality players, especially another driving midfielder like gerrard.
Olly

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:20:31
EDD 002. is hinting that KK should get some of the blame for the loss which i totally AGREE', yes the players arent good enough but neither wass kk tactics or first 11 available. UNLIKE EDD001, who thinks all this TRUST KK REGUARDING THE FUTURE AND HIS PLAYER CHOICES, i am yet to be convinced, the likes of adam and young will prove they are not GOOD ENOUGH, and then people will be blaming comolli'. AGAIN I WILL SAY, I TRUST KK WITH MAN MANAGING BUT REGUARDING THE PLAYERS WE WILL BUY THIS SUMMER I DON'T RATE SOME OF THEM AT ALL AND AS EDD002 HAS STATED THERE ARE BETTER AVAILABLE WHO WE CHOOSE TO SNUB, A MAJORITY OF FANS WILL GET A WAKE UP CALL THINKING THAT WE WILL BUY THE BEST, WE WILL BUT SOME VERY GOOD PLAYERS BUT ALSO WASTE MONEY ASWELL I.E ADAM AND YOUNG. kk was one of the greatest players to have played the game but as an OVERALL MANAGER, i am not convinced, he can't make these very poor players any better so what makes you think he will turn young and adam into world beaters. It will take us atleast 2 seasons to get were we want to be not NEXT' EDD002, do you agree with some of my points?

{Ed002's Note - I think so - your busted keyboard is tough on my elderly eyes and I am sure makes it really tough to type on.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:13:40
WHAT I FIND EQUALLY BAFFLING. . Is the fact that less than 5 years ago we were going to our second champ lge final after winning in istanbul. And now you think it's BAFFLING that people are frustrated and moaning about going out of the EUROPA LEAGUE without hardly a whimper. .against the worst team to knock us out of europe since BRONDBY.

Bit like after the season we finished 2nd and because of one bad season ( don't forget no Torres and Gerrard for much of it), these frustrated fans wanted Benitez sacked. Further more they wanted Hodgson in after a cup run.
Did you mean these frustrated fans?
Now that's baffling

first point we finished 2nd by default(other teams having a s*** finish) we never once that year were in contention. a year later and rafa had lost the dressing room, lost a lot of fans support and tactically was getting it wrong on a regular basis. .I also wouldn't have trusted him with my kids piggy bank. second i don't know many fans who wanted hodgson in the first place tbh? ?

I'm not trying to put a downer on things but to coin a phrase i am just dealing with facts. .

We are not havin a go at KK cos for me he needs time, which rafa had by the way, to bring in his own players and get them playing. But the current squad is full of average players and our league position is a fair reflection of this.
I'd love to know your views on the current squad. .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 16:03:44
Why people moans about Europa League exit. It will be a waste of time . But, we had to be proud when compared to City. They Invested more than 100 million in new players and we also equalled them where we spent Zero ( Our buys is equal to our sales in this season).
Last season become a lost season with our involvement in Europa League and our Mid-week fixture has caused enough distractions in Present and Past. If we not played in europa league this season and we definately have won Champions League spot from Spurs as they did last year. . Indian Red

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 15:39:43
- - - - - - - REINA- - - - - - - -
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JOHNSON-CARRA-CAHILL-TAIWO
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - M'VILA- - - - - - - -
- - GERRARD- - - - MEIRELES- - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-SUAREZ- - - - - - - - -SANCHEZ-
- - - - - - -CARROLL- - - - - - - -

HENNESSEY/ AGGER/ KELLY/ LUCAS/ ADAM/ MAXI/ KUYT

SKERTEL/ WILSON/ MARVEAUX/ SPEARING/ SHELVEY/ LUKAKU/ BOJAN

GULACSI/ BOUZANIS/ AYALA/ DARBY/ ROBINSON/ MAVINGA/ ECCLESTONE/ COADY/ INCE/ STERLING/ SUSO/ PACHECO/ AMOO

By far the most balanced and realistic squad Ive seen on here

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 15:23:39
The reason we have struggled this season and last few seasons (Kenny or no Kenny) is below

Players Out
Alonso
Arbeloa
Riera
Hyypia
Mascherano
Benayoun
Torres
Crouch
Insua

All of these players would probably get in our starting 11 right now. Im not saying we shouldn't or couldn't have stopped them leaving or laying blame but we needed like or better replacements which in general we haven't got.

Suarez & Kelly are the only two who are close to the standard we need.

Says alot.

YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 15:23:44
Look guys - for me, this season is as good as over. I'm looking forward to the summer - hopefully our owners back the team with a couple of quality signings, more importantly get them in early, have a good pre-season to gel and then go on an all-out assault next season. Minimum target: CL & the FA Cup

SingRed

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 15:08:02
18 Mar 2011 14:47:41
Adam
Gerrad
Meireles

(Press Agree)

or

Lucas
Meireles
Gerrard

(Press Disagree)

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I would say
Meireles
Lucas
Javi Martinez and/ or Charlie Adam

Sorry to the people who love Gerrard but I just think we need a new start.
Adam

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:32:21
Hey ed. .
if man utd or man city wins the fa cup and also qualify for champs league then will the 6th position qualify for europa league ?

please Reply Ed

CLeO
YNWA

{Ed002's Note - No.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:47:41
Adam
Gerrad
Meireles

(Press Agree)

or

Lucas
Meireles
Gerrard

(Press Disagree)


And we don't need Aqualani. Trust me he hasnt played that good in Juventas, most of the time average in a slow league. Adam is far. far better than him. And we also have Jonjo Shelvey.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:50:28
Hey Kenny knows he got it wrong last night and the good thing is he understands it needs to be sorted out (unlike other recent managers). So, don't worry, he'll fix it. Kenny loves the club just like us.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:13:51
If were after a third striker why don't we take a look a Louis saha from the bitters, much more consistent than benzema and much cheaper, just a thought. . Anyone agree?

John Murray

No thank you Mr Moyes, But we would like Baines if your that hard up for cash, We'll even give you some players with it, Just choose from the list.

A.N. Tick as many as you wish.

Brad Jones
Philip Degan
Emiliano Insua
Sotrios Kyriakos
Nabil El Zhar
CHRISTIAN POULSON (No hint there)
Maxi Rodrigues
Milan Jovanovic
Joe Cole
David N'gog

Thank you, Reguards

My D. Commoli

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:20:00
I was so embarasd yesterday, only cole tried 2prove something.
Mereiles and wilson were d flop of d nite 4me, im so dissapointed in mereiles he couldnt control d mifield, no pass, no spirit and he was walkin around like a lost sheep. . .
We really nid 2 repair dis team cos it's gettin rust 4rm da defence 2midfield and d attack. . we missed agger, stevie.g, aurelio, suarez and d likes of insua, babel and aquilani(i can't wait see u @anfield cos if u were dere yesterday we'l b in d draws 2day)mereiles is 2too lazy whether u like it or nt.
IN DA SUMMER
cahil/ shawcross
contraeo/ bastoskadlec
mvila
marvueax
sanchez
honda/ gervinho
hulk
OUT
konchesky, jovanovic, maxi, poulsen, degen, kyrgiakos, skrtel, caragher(retirement), kuyt, aurelio
NEW TEAM
REINA, GULASCI, JONES, CAHIL, AGGER, KELLY, JOHNSON, CONTRAOE/ BASTOS/ KADLEC, AYALA, WILSON, INSUA, LUCAS, MEIRELES, GERRARD, M'VILLA, IL PRINCIPINO(AQUILANI), HONDA/ GERVINHO, SANCHEZ, HULK, SUAREZ, CARROL, MARVUEAX, PACHECO, NGOG, SPEARING.
wit dis team 2011/ 2012 ll b d SEASON OF REDEMPTION.
Y.N.W.A
KENNY.G (NIGERIA)

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:21:29
WHAT I FIND EQUALLY BAFFLING. . Is the fact that less than 5 years ago we were going to our second champ lge final after winning in istanbul. And now you think it's BAFFLING that people are frustrated and moaning about going out of the EUROPA LEAGUE without hardly a whimper. .against the worst team to knock us out of europe since BRONDBY.

Bit like after the season we finished 2nd and because of one bad season ( don't forget no Torres and Gerrard for much of it), these frustrated fans wanted Benitez sacked. Further more they wanted Hodgson in after a cup run.
Did you mean these frustrated fans?
Now that's baffling

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 14:00:04
Benitez had a bad season and seemed to lost the dressing room. Everyone wanted him out.
Hodgson was only 50% of the fans choice (Dalglish was other) anyway Hodgson was very very poor. Negitive approach, selection and game. Players were confused about their positioning, play and tactics. Confidence was an all time low. He never supportered his players and claimed draws against lesser clubs was good results. Remember the Torres saga with Ferguson?
We were fighting Relegation was he was dire.
Dalglish brought in confidence and got us from Relegation zone to 6th, yet you still moan.
Baffling!

WHAT I FIND EQUALLY BAFFLING. . Is the fact that less than 5 years ago we were going to our second champ lge final after winning in istanbul. And now you think it's BAFFLING that people are frustrated and moaning about going out of the EUROPA LEAGUE without hardly a whimper. .against the worst team to knock us out of europe since BRONDBY.
NOW THATS BAFFLING. .
Dave. .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:57:11
I'd love to see this team on an Anfield pitch for a match or two before the end of the season passing the ball on the ground and putting pressure on teams:

- - - - - - - - - Reina - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - Carragher - Agger - - - - -
- Kelly - - - - - - - - - - - Johnson -
- - - - - Gerrard - Meireles - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - Suso - - - - - - - - -
- - - Pacheco - - - - - - - Suarez - - -
- - - - - - - - - Carroll - - - - - - - - -

-IamTheCosmos

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:58:19
Because carroll played last night all we done was from defence kick the ball to him, so do we not need a midfield anymore? joke

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:53:38
18 Mar 2011 12:57:24
Benitez had a bad season and seemed to lost the dressing room. Everyone wanted him out.
Hodgson was only 50% of the fans choice (Dalglish was other) anyway Hodgson was very very poor. Negitive approach, selection and game. Players were confused about their positioning, play and tactics. Confidence was an all time low. He never supportered his players and claimed draws against lesser clubs was good results. Remember the Torres saga with Ferguson?
We were fighting Relegation was he was dire.
Dalglish brought in confidence and got us from Relegation zone to 6th, yet you still moan.
Baffling!
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Well it's shows the intelligents of some supporters.

We had a manager who was one of the best for European football but not as good at league football.
Now we have a manager who is good at league football but not European.
We had one manager who's had no European success and no Major league success.
It appears some supporters arnt happy no matter who is in charge.

My advice to them is to stick to LMA Manager games

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:49:23
I agree but its about consistency of performance, I really hate it if we loose games but what feels worse sometimes is when it feels there is a lack of desire, look at the West Ham Game and both legs against Braga. its not good enough, I agree Dalglish has steadied what was a wobbly ship but week to week the gulf in performances is the reason that the majority of Liverpool fans are feeling the way they are. . Frustrated!

I think Dalglish needs the summer to really get to grips with the team, new players and a strong pre-season will really help.
If you recall pre-season for the last two seasons has been dire, Hodgson had a very poor pre-season as many players had not returned from the World Cup and it showed in the first few games of the season, and we have been playing catch-up ever since. If Dalglish gets some pace, width and creativity in the summer and has a good pre-season with the full squad then we are defo on for a 4th place spot.

Lets just hope we can get a European spot this season though or we may be looking for more players than any of us expect.

YNWA jns

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I agree to, but there are times when you just have to say well done to the other team.

I live in london, but originate from old swan, liverpool, and as you can guess a lot of my mates are chelsea.

I get sick of hearing them say how badly they played when we beat them, but you have to give credit to the teams who make decent sides look crap at times.

At stamford bridge, we stopped them from playing their game, when they had possession we closed down quickly and didn't give them time to think.

Same with united this season at home and other games in the past, 4-1 at old trafford, 4-0 at anfield against real madrid ect. .

When we lost at west ham we actaully started the game very brightly but their midfield upped their game and didn't give us a chance which is why we succumbed to their constant pressure.

Ok, Braga aint a great team, but you have to say fair play to them, when we got the ball they made it very difficult for us to break them down, and without a fit carroll, gerrard and suarez, in hindsight it is clear we had very little creativity.

In all honesty, last night wasn't down to how poorly we played, it was also down to some hard work from the away team, although I will agree we didn't do enough to force a goal.

Some decent chances but all in all, we deserved to be knocked out over two legs.

I'm not overly disappointed, although a trip to dublin would have been great, but this season is about getting ready for the next one now.

Lets get behind the team, whether you like certain players or not, lets cheer them on and prepare for the next season!

LFC Till I Die

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:38:02
Truly fed up of people moaning about last nights game, get over it, we didn't deserve to win over the two legs.
We may have played badly but give Braga their due, they really went for it, had quite a few decent attacks and let them have their win.
Our season has been a bad one, but we are on the up, weve been at our lowest and last nights performance was an improvement on some of the shower we were playing under Woy.

I AGREE MATE. . Braga are a top class european outfit? ?. .they really went for it? ?They had a few decent attacks. YES this is true. . A FEW
MY GOD mate if you can let your red tinted glasses slip for a minute I like most reds found last night painful viewing. .We went out to an awful team who barely had a shot on goal in two matches. .Sorry mate but i'm struggling to see the posotives here? ?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:41:08
The biggest criticism regarding last night was the lack of creativity. We had Pacheco on the bench who can create opportunities. Ok the only evidence of this has been in the uncer 21's and the reserves, but why did Kenny insist on Maxi and then Spearing when clearly we needed an alternative up front. What s the point of consistently selecting Pacheco for the squad if your not prepared to use him. For as much as I respect Kenny and trust his judgement, I do think he missed a trick there.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:47:49
To this guy:

Where are todays tips for Cheltenham?

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Who gives a flying one mate!?. This site is for football chat and not bloody horse racing. Chat football or do one.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:25:38
18 Mar 2011 12:57:24
Benitez had a bad season and seemed to lost the dressing room. Everyone wanted him out.
Hodgson was only 50% of the fans choice (Dalglish was other) anyway Hodgson was very very poor. Negitive approach, selection and game. Players were confused about their positioning, play and tactics. Confidence was an all time low. He never supportered his players and claimed draws against lesser clubs was good results. Remember the Torres saga with Ferguson?
We were fighting Relegation was he was dire.
Dalglish brought in confidence and got us from Relegation zone to 6th, yet you still moan.
Baffling!

I agree but its about consistency of performance, I really hate it if we loose games but what feels worse sometimes is when it feels there is a lack of desire, look at the West Ham Game and both legs against Braga. its not good enough, I agree Dalglish has steadied what was a wobbly ship but week to week the gulf in performances is the reason that the majority of Liverpool fans are feeling the way they are. . Frustrated!

I think Dalglish needs the summer to really get to grips with the team, new players and a strong pre-season will really help.
If you recall pre-season for the last two seasons has been dire, Hodgson had a very poor pre-season as many players had not returned from the World Cup and it showed in the first few games of the season, and we have been playing catch-up ever since. If Dalglish gets some pace, width and creativity in the summer and has a good pre-season with the full squad then we are defo on for a 4th place spot.

Lets just hope we can get a European spot this season though or we may be looking for more players than any of us expect.

YNWA jns

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:28:02
Quick check - those who want Europa League next year (agree), those that say we're better off without it (disagree)

SingRed

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:06:15
{Ed002's Note - It does seem to be the formation of choice for Mr Dalglish. I agree it is tough without the width.}

Well we haven't been linked with any right wingers, only left wingers, Young, Dzsudzsak and Merveaux. That's the position we need. Suarez play right side of the 3, a new winger play left and Carroll play up top. To me that seems e most likely formation.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:11:58
If were after a third striker why don't we take a look a Louis saha from the bitters, much more consistent than benzema and much cheaper, just a thought. . Anyone agree?

John Murray

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:12:28
To all that where craying about our captain he is the diff between last night and man u game it showes his class will be hard to replace i never thought 2 players could make a big diff to a team but with out him and suarez we are a poor team but things can onley get better beat sunderland on sunday have a good run in and a good transfer all will be in good order for next season .wot do u think of kadlec eds . red till i die {Ed001's Note - not seen much of him to be honest.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:12:36
The fact we are struggling is that we misplace our players. As we know that Kuyt is a striker and he not needed to cross. But, our previous Managers have made him as a player in out of his position. He don't know to cross the ball.
Similarly Maxi Rodriquez (what is his role in the Team? He is not a striker, not a winger, not a Midfielder, what else?) simply waste of Possession and time on the Field and He was also used as Winger in the Squad (He doesn't know to Cross). That's why we are Suffering from Flanks. So, we need to Sign players who can cross rather than Wingers. Valencia of Manure is the best example for a player who can cross rather than stupid wingers

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:12:38
18 Mar 2011 12:59:51
There was a problem with the request.

Any idea's?

LFC Till I Die

Pretty sure its something to do with your Javascript being turned off mate! All I know is the same thing happens at my college and I recall an Ed clearing it up as Javascript in the past. Check your settings I would!
EyeSak {Ed002's Note - It does appear to be an issue that out technical team are looking at.}

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Cheers lads, sorted :)

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 13:20:01
Where are todays tips for Cheltenham?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:59:26
{Ed001's Note - Ajax play 4-3-3, what that has to do with anything I fail to see. Kenny is most likely to play 2 up top, not 3.}

Well how do you know we're going to play 2 up top. Many times this season we've played a 433 or a 4231. Tbh every time we've played 442 this season it hasn't work for us. 442 only works when you have a lot of width and we clearly don't have that. {Ed002's Note - It does seem to be the formation of choice for Mr Dalglish. I agree it is tough without the width.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:59:51
There was a problem with the request.

Any idea's?

LFC Till I Die

Pretty sure its something to do with your Javascript being turned off mate! All I know is the same thing happens at my college and I recall an Ed clearing it up as Javascript in the past. Check your settings I would!
EyeSak {Ed002's Note - It does appear to be an issue that out technical team are looking at.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:57:24
Benitez had a bad season and seemed to lost the dressing room. Everyone wanted him out.
Hodgson was only 50% of the fans choice (Dalglish was other) anyway Hodgson was very very poor. Negitive approach, selection and game. Players were confused about their positioning, play and tactics. Confidence was an all time low. He never supportered his players and claimed draws against lesser clubs was good results. Remember the Torres saga with Ferguson?
We were fighting Relegation was he was dire.
Dalglish brought in confidence and got us from Relegation zone to 6th, yet you still moan.
Baffling!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:41:28
? {Ed001's Note - what you are talking about is not what is likely to happen. Suarez is here to play up front, off Carroll, not on the wing. Wingers will be bought in the summer.}

Do you know what position Suarez played for Ajax, it was not up front! {Ed001's Note - Ajax play 4-3-3, what that has to do with anything I fail to see. Kenny is most likely to play 2 up top, not 3.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:19:56
I fear we'll lose Reina in the summer. I also think Johnson will end up at Spurs with 'arry.

Warnock is a cheap and steady option so he'll be bought to fix up the left back position. Given and Adam will also be low cost quality options and players that wouldn't be swayed by European football or not next season. Turan will be the creative purchase, while Gerrard will be put on the right to get quality ball into Carroll.

The football won't be the most exciting. .but it will work under Kenny and Steve Clarke. Sales and purchases money will also balance again in the summer.

Given
Kelly - Carragher - Agger - Warnock
Meireles - Adam
Gerrard - Suarez - Turan
Carroll

{Ed002's Note - Better get a move on with Arda Turan as he is Madrid bound.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:13:17
Sorry ed's, just to add to what I said before about the agree buttons not working, when I click them a bar comes up saying the following:

There was a problem with the request.

Any idea's?

LFC Till I Die {Ed002's Note - I'll ask.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:09:32
Truly fed up of people moaning about last nights game, get over it, we didn't deserve to win over the two legs.
We may have played badly but give Braga their due, they really went for it, had quite a few decent attacks and let them have their win.
Our season has been a bad one, but we are on the up, weve been at our lowest and last nights performance was an improvement on some of the shower we were playing under Woy.
When KK took over anyone with a bit of wit knew that he was to limit any further damage to the club, and stabilise the squad, to develop in the summer, any more is a bonus.
The fact that were still sniffing around top 6 is testiment to how much KK has improved our weak squad, do not write him off because of one loss, which we fully deserved.

I for one am ready to congratulate the squad and KK for reviving in the league after Christmas and holding up under criticism, which wierdly is from their own fans.
The Kop were right to sing the players off, and thank them for turning an embarrasing season into one of rebuilding and development, unlike most of the lacklustre fans on here who are ready to slate the team at the slightest sign of a bad performance.

Anfield Andy

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:12:18
Is it just me or would no European football ie Europa league not be that big a issue next year?

One minute before you all slate me but there's no world cup or euro finals this year.
Hopefully we'll get some reinforcements for next season and with no Europa football early in the season there will be no reason for players to say they're tired in the season.
The only time we'll get additional games is from Jan onwards with the FA Cup but as we should have a fresher squad we should be able to push for the top 4

If Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell are looking after our youngsters & reserves then play them in the Carling Cup so the 1st team don't need to get involved and lets see what the future of LFC looks like with players like Coady, Suso, Sterling, Pacheco etc etc

Ed/ Anyone else, comments

RedDan {Ed002's Note - Potentially it could make it more difficult to attract players to the club and it will mean the loss of something like £10M in hard cash.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:02:58
I'm sorry but as I pointed out earlier we have not really performed any better points wise under KK than Roy. "The minor miracle" of improving from 12th to 6th has largely come about because of the poor run of Blackpool, Stoke, Blackburn and Sunderland.

Harry J {Ed001's Note - seriously? You mean all the clean sheets were as a result of Roy's legacy then?}

But like i also pointed out earlier, KK's European games have been his downfall, But he's only ever managed in 4. And yes we still play poor football at times, Due to the lack of good technical players, But the difference is simple.

Roy played poor football and droped points

KK at times plays poor football but picks up points (wins mostly)

And going from 12th to 6th, Don't you realise KK has cut 6 teams away to go above them, A full season with some good summer signings he could cut out another 4 to 6 and challenge for things again.

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 12:06:20
When I said clear out this was meant to include all staff for me Kenny is responsible but the players have to take head, Sammy Lee is inept he can go Steve Clarke is a good coach but he has always been good at building strong defences something that has improved under Kenny's time. I think players and coaches need an over haul but there lies the problem who has the knowledge and the skill to get the best from our players, bring in quality new players within FSG's financial model? answers on a postcard.

YNWA

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I'm sorry mate, but gonna have to disagree with ya. Kenny was bought in to steady the ship until the end of the season, depending on form might secure a long term deal.

He signed 2 players, Suarez and Carroll, the rest are players who were already there and as we have seen recently, kenny and clarke have bought the best out of an average team.

We still do have a decent side that just needs beefing up.

If he is backed up in the summer with cash, which im sure he will be, then we can all look forward to a bright season next year.

Not sayin we will win the league, but top 4 is deffo a realistic target and then build again next summer for a major assault the following season.

I say it time and again, but please, keep the faith!

Ed, just a quick note, I see the agree and disagree button obviously works for others, but for the last week it hasn't worked on my computer. Any suggestions?

LFC Till I Die {Ed002's Note - No idea I am afraid aside from them stopping if you visit any of the banned sites - Koptalk etc.. But I am sure you would never do that.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:39:15
Ed 002, me too.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:40:13
Now a days, wingers are the ones who want to score goals rather than Creating them for Strikers. All we need is need Midfielders who can cross the Ball from Flanks. In Right side we may employ Kelly and Johnson as the Midfielder. KELLY AND Johnson will make enough cross for Strikers. In left of the Park, we have been very week for years. In our squad we don't have enough Left-sided players. We needed a proper left back and a proper Midfielder and we may use Suarez as Left-winger. SYLVAIN MARVEAUX will be a useful left sided Midfielder and we need a Left-back who could cross and link up the play with Midfielders and Striker. Any option for that kind of Left-backs Eds? {Ed001's Note - what you are talking about is not what is likely to happen. Suarez is here to play up front, off Carroll, not on the wing. Wingers will be bought in the summer.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:42:01
{Ed002's Note - As I have stated on an almost daily basis for months, Arda will be sold in the summer. His most likely destination remains Atletico Madrid who have been working hard over the past few months to broker an agreement. If Liverpool have an interest in the player, it is not evident at all.}


I hate to say this, But if the above is true (Not questioning you Ed, Just if Liverpool have even secretly made enquires), Then Arda should NOT sign for Liverpool, If Atletico WANT him, And are working hard to get him, But Liverpool would like him, But are looking else where first that says he's not that high in KK or DC plans for me, Go were your wanted, Not were your next to last option.

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:42:14
AND . . I have watched thre mionutes of this film and it's RUBBISH!
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I haven't even been to Bermuda but I know it's awful!
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I've never read that book but I think it's really boring!
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I just need to let my gob go about anything!

CLOWN!
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Im confused, I can see that the post above is set out to display the fact they don't share someones views on football but it's ironic that it makes no sense in the fact it you can't tell whether it's in support of or against the team last night.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:42:32
18 Mar 2011 08:04:02
From last nights performance it quite clearly shows 4 major issues when Agger, Stevie and Suarez aren't playing -
1. Lack of creativity
2. Lack of Pace
3. Lack of Width
4. Lack of desire

Lets hope this can be rectified in the Summer. But I don't think its a quick fix the issue is deep rooted in bad purchases of the past - another good clear out is needed!

I'm glad Henry was there last night he saw first had which players just aren't good enough for LFC.

YNWA {Ed002's Note - You don't hold Kenny Dalglish responsible at all then?}

When I said clear out this was meant to include all staff for me Kenny is responsible but the players have to take head, Sammy Lee is inept he can go Steve Clarke is a good coach but he has always been good at building strong defences something that has improved under Kenny's time. I think players and coaches need an over haul but there lies the problem who has the knowledge and the skill to get the best from our players, bring in quality new players within FSG's financial model?? answers on a postcard.

YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:43:22
BTW Harry J, You need to stop expecting miracles, Because KK have performed a minor miracle in our league standing this season.

UCCM

I'm sorry but as I pointed out earlier we have not really performed any better points wise under KK than Roy. "The minor miracle" of improving from 12th to 6th has largely come about because of the poor run of Blackpool, Stoke, Blackburn and Sunderland.

Harry J {Ed001's Note - seriously? You mean all the clean sheets were as a result of Roy's legacy then?}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:30:11
Agree with everything you said pretty much and I see where Ed002 is coming from and has a point. I think came down to a results business last night. maybe KK thought hed get the job done with what we got rather than try to play football. KK got it wrong last night but I gave Hodgeson chance to get things right and going on the football weve played under KK since he took over and going on the the football Hodgeson constantly played untill he left, which resembled very much what we saw last night, Id take KK any day. Whether he will get the job in the long term and whether or not it will work out is another matter and time will tell but barring last night Ive been impressed with KK and Steve Clarke.

Bob Loblaw

{Ed002's Note - I agree that Roy Hodgson was certainly not the answer either. At the moment Kenny Dalglish has the job until the summer and Damien Comolli has the job of finding a full-time manager. If Dalglish wants it it will likely be his for the taking under whatever terms NESV dictate. Equally, NESV have to protect their investment. Regardless of what the fans think, not being in Europe at all will cost at least £10M in hard cash.}

Thanks for your support Bob.

I agree Ed they have to protect their investment, But don't you think KK is getting results that Both Roy & Rafa (In his last season) couldn't with this core of players. The problem is without 1 or 2 star players we look like a Championship team.

Without Suarez and Stevie, Who would you trust to win us games.

Without Rooney and Hernandez, Utd still have Owen, Giggs and Berbatov who can win games, Once owen is fit anyway.

Chelsea have Torres, Drogba, Anelka, Kalou, Lampard.

Arsenal have Van Persie, Bentner, Chamahk, Cesc, Nasri, Arsharvin, Theo who can win games.

Spurs have, Crouch, Defoe, Pav, Modric, VDV, Bale.

We need match winning wingers, And another maych winning striker.

e:g, Suarez, Carroll, Benzema, Stevie, Young, Raul, Sanchez.

UCCM

{Ed002's Note - I think another striker is a must - particularly one who could build a relationship with Suarez. And I agree that the addition of width is a must as well.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:24:50
Kenny was left bemoaning the lack of flair last night and my didn't it show. We had wide players without pace who were not able to go past defenders and provide service to our forward or create chances for themselves. Our central midfielders were not able to penetrate the opponent's defence. Notwithstanding their contributions I think we need to bid ADIOS to Maxi, Cole, and Lucas whilst Kuyt should be retained as a back up striker (i.e. squad player). Whilst it would have been good to win the UEFA Cup this year I think not qualifying for next years tournament may not be a bad thing for the team. That way KK can concentrate on trying to get a top 4 finish and keeping all the players fresh throughout the season so that we can try and win a domestic cup and take our wonderful fans to Wembley.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:17:36
I have watched thre mionutes of this film and it's RUBBISH!
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Clown,

Football banter page mate don't come on if you don't want to chat about football. . .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:19:12
{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Villas Boas would be any more interested in Liverpool than Jose Mourinho is? Maybe he has somewhere else in mind for the long term?}

Am I right in thinking your the Chelsea Ed, If so are you suggesting that Chelsea may want him as Jose wouldn't want to work with Roman again, I think it would be a clever move by Chelsea, But i hope he stays in Portugal for 3 years, Allow KK to build the team into title contenders again, The Villas Boas could take over in 3/ 4 years when KK might decide to retire from Management.

BTW Harry J, You need to stop expecting miracles, Because KK have performed a minor miracle in our league standing this season.

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:20:08
Ed 0002, No way Delap would come. On the Carroll situation, I believe we have a rough diamond there. £35m is a big spend on him, but I think that figure will eventually be viewed as well spent. If he progresses in the way we all hope he will, not as a big lump, and nails down his position as Centre Forward there will be players who will want to come and play alongside him. Dont forget the goal he scored against just a few weeks ago, that came from width, which we lack, but it shows he is more than a one trick carthorse. He went close last night on three occasions, that 'bit of luck' that Kenny spoke about afterwards, had it gone our way we would be having a different conversation now.
Thats enough from me today, the nurse wants me back in bed ;)

Mjr Hufton Tufton (rtd)

{Ed002's Note - I was kidding about Delap and Huth.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:13:19
{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Villas Boas would be any more interested in Liverpool than Jose Mourinho is? Maybe he has somewhere else in mind for the long term?}

He would be more interested in Mourinho because he is still on the way up and Liverpool represents a step up from Porto.

At the moment the current European giants probably wouldn't be interested in him.
If Real Madrid part company with Mourinho they won't replace him with one of his disciples.
Neither Barcelona, United or Arsenal will be changing managers in the summer.
Chelsea may be changing managers but would be more likely to go back for Mourinho.
Milan are unlikely to change manager as they will win their league and Inter have only just appointed a new manager.
Bayern are going for Heynches to replace Van Gaal.

If we went for Villas Boas in the summer we would have a good chance of getting him.

Harry J

{Ed002's Note - No existing history with VB then? His thoughts are elsewhere.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:14:28
Absolutley right, One dimesional last night and Andy Carroll will be a bad buy unless we get wingers which we are trying to buy apparantley. With wingers its stops being 1 dimensional and Andy Carroll will be more effective and . . "

AND . . I have watched thre mionutes of this film and it's RUBBISH!
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I haven't even been to Bermuda but I know it's awful!
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I've never read that book but I think it's really boring!
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I just need to let my gob go about anything!

CLOWN!
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WTH are you on about, the point made was valid.

Numpty {Ed0

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:16:48
I am seriously tense and edgy after last night, let alone really, really p****d off. Can't be apsed with work either.

Sometimes i think we care more than the players. I can stomach losing, as long as we lose in the right way, giving our all and going down fighting.

Last night was unacceptable. No urgency, no desire, no passion, no fight. We went down with a whimper. Had we worked our socks off, chased and harried the ball from the first whistle to the last, missed loads of chances then i could accept defeat.

I cannot and will not accept performances like that. What's more i cannot accept these yo-yo performances where one game we show the quality and passion and the very next we look like a rabble of sunday morning footballers, that is what is infuriating.

Last night, as any footballer would tell you, was last chance saloon time for our season. If you're a player in a team that should be performing better than it is and you're under contract, then this is the time you show what it means to you. . . . i suppose they just did eh?

But one thing we should steer clear of, no matter how mad we are, and keep some objectivity is slagging Andy Carroll off.

This was his first start in well over three months. He still isn't totally match fit. He still needs to get accustomed to the way the team and individuals play. At the moment he's probably in Newcastle cruise control mode. He's out of sync with everything we do. Likewise we still haven't worked out the best way to get the best of of him and for the team.

This massive price tag which wasn't his fault to deal with is going to be a burden. So everytime he misses the goal or makes a stray pass, let's not revert to the caveman mentality of 'for £35M he should do better than that'. He is, at this moment in his playing career, looking awkward when the ball comes to his feet, he hasn't got pace to burn and again reminds me of a yearling learning to run for the first time whenever he sets off. Add to this the weight of the price tag, impatient fans and we'll run the risk of damaging him mentally before he's got chance to settle. He needs to improve as a player himself. He is no where near the finished article by a massive distance. We'd serve him better if we realised this. Lets forget what he cost and let the club improve him over time and i don't mean three months either.

Talking of finished articles Maxi and Cole, had vital roles to play last night. They summed up what is fundamentally wrong with us. They cannot get past a player and actually hold us up by passing sideways or hogging the ball until its too late. Without pace and width we can't do anything other than knock the ball long and centrally. I don't blame the back four for this. When we try to go to feet and wide, it just comes back 30 seconds later on a loop, the pace and momentum of the attack has been lost. They probably lose patience themselves.

Disappointingly the lack of any real movement from the FB's and the wide midfielders to create space was glaring. That comes down to brain work and body effort. There is no excuse for a lack of either.

I'm gonna think long and hard about my next post. Kenny Dalglish.

Bob the Red

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:10:58
It took Alex Ferguson years make his club. Arsene Wenger re-designed their team/ style/ football but in recent times when football has become about money, Arsene is unsuccessful.
Unless you have big money like Chelski, City and in some respects United, we will struggle.
FACT!
Doesn't matter who is the manager.
Now on paper United don't have great individual players but do have pride and unity that's been drilled into them from their manager.
Liverpool now have a manager who can also provide pride and Unity.
Keep the faith

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:11:51
Ed id like your opinion on this if you arn't too swamped with posts,

I think alot of posters are reacting with their hearts, Rather than their heads.
Yes we played long hoof ball last night because that was our only real option given the talent on the field, Johnson never really did a "wingers" type of job on the right hand side, Wilson isn't an attacking player. Maxi provides very little in the field of play, His only good points are nice flicks around the penalty box "sometimes", But over all play is lacking in every department. Lucas is a solid player who will work his socks of BUT will never be a game changer, Thats not his style, The better players around him he ups his game, The poorer and he struggles. Raul is a fantastic player but unfortunatly couldn't make those threatening runs he does because there was no-one who could pick him out "ala Suarez" or even Stevie, But tryed to take on the role of playmaker, But had no runners, Cole tryed hard to make things happen but either he's not fit, Not capable, Or dosn't have any ideas of the players around him, Kuyt is a work horse nothing more really, Yes he scored three against Man Utd, But that was largely thanks to Suarez (And Nani lol), He was supposed to get on the end of carroll's knock downs "a la Van Der Vaart" But was never really there to do it, He was chasing players down too much and alas was never really in attacking posisions.
Andy Carroll was not match fit BUT is always able to win headers fit or not, Thats why we used him in this way last night, But he had no striker to play with so he was against all 4 defenders on his own without Suarez for support.

We don't have enough players who run WITH the ball, Only Suarez and Gerrard and Agger are comfortable with the ball, The rest like to be on the end of things too much, We also lack width and pace, But that's been said TOO many times, So i'd like your feedback Ed, Also if any posters opinions.

UCCM {Ed002's Note - Broadly I agree with your summary - but it does seem like a series of excuses - again not mentioning the role of Kenny Dalglish.}

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Agree with everything you said pretty much and I see where Ed002 is coming from and has a point. I think came down to a results business last night. maybe KK thought hed get the job done with what we got rather than try to play football. KK got it wrong last night but I gave Hodgeson chance to get things right and going on the football weve played under KK since he took over and going on the the football Hodgeson constantly played untill he left, which resembled very much what we saw last night, Id take KK any day. Whether he will get the job in the long term and whether or not it will work out is another matter and time will tell but barring last night Ive been impressed with KK and Steve Clarke.

Bob Loblaw

{Ed002's Note - I agree that Roy Hodgson was certainly not the answer either. At the moment Kenny Dalglish has the job until the summer and Damien Comolli has the job of finding a full-time manager. If Dalglish wants it it will likely be his for the taking under whatever terms NESV dictate. Equally, NESV have to protect their investment. Regardless of what the fans think, not being in Europe at all will cost at least £10M in hard cash.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 11:07:32
"Absolutley right, One dimesional last night and Andy Carroll will be a bad buy unless we get wingers which we are trying to buy apparantley. With wingers its stops being 1 dimensional and Andy Carroll will be more effective and . . "

AND . . I have watched thre mionutes of this film and it's RUBBISH!
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I haven't even been to Bermuda but I know it's awful!
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I've never read that book but I think it's really boring!
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I just need to let my gob go about anything!

CLOWN!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:54:41
Last night exposed liverpool for the squad that we have. no width, do ideas, long ball rubbish. if that is how they are going to use andy carroll then he may as well look elsewhere. btw, imo pepe reinia will be sold in the summer. we need to really look at this squad and say who is worth keeping

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Absolutley right, One dimesional last night and Andy Carroll will be a bad buy unless we get wingers which we are trying to buy apparantley. With wingers its stops being 1 dimensional and Andy Carroll will be more effective and along with Suarez it should be allot better than last night and give us more options. However it can't just stop there, Two first team strikers is not enought, we need another quality striker and one of the youth players to come through at the very least. That way we have various options for tactical changes, and forced changes to cope with possible injuries. Any side who wants to be in the running has at least 3 possible 4 forwards who are all possible startres.

Bob loblaw

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:59:35
Guys, we have the core of a good team if we can keep pepe then in the summer we need to break the bank invest in long term old school wingers who have pace and skill wholook to take players on and get crosses in. I think we need 3 with one as cover. Goes without saying deadwood to go and youth / reserve players to step up. Be ruthless Kenny!

Si

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:46:54
"The Madness of King Roy XXXXI"
Part 2 : hit the send button too early!

UEFA: Just checked the UEFA rules for 2011 and the changes they have made for the Champions' League draw.
They changed the 1970-1990 rules which were:
!. All teams put into a hat
2. Two teams drawn out to play each other
3. Winners play any team they get drawn against.

Well those rules were plainly unfair and a disgrace to the sponsors.
Delighted to read the new 2011 rules:

!. No team can be drawn against a team from their own league
2. No team can play a team from their own country
3. No team can play a team they have played before in the past 12 months
4. No team can play a team they will struggle to really win against if they have chance of winning the CL
5. The draw will be done unde the strict supervision of the sponsors and TV companies
6. No team that does not have a glamourous name will be drawn against a team with a similar status
7. Only those teams who have big named players will be selected, sorry! drawn, to play in the semi-finals.
8. All games will be at the discretion of the TV companies and sponsors.
9. Only teams that can satisfy the TV companies and sponsors will be allowed to progress into the last four.
10. All rules will be vetoed and checked by CROOC - The Committee of Obvious Outcomes Committee.

Steve Parker

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:53:21
Ed 0002, just read from 08.54. Fair enough, but whats the ''footballing team'' comment about? Are you saying that the club imagines itself as something it is not? Last nights performance would certainly support that.

Mjr Hufton Tufton (rtd) {Ed002's Note - Actually the reference to Liverpool being a “footballing” side is a compliment. Liverpool have for many years played attractive attacking football. Adding players as lump sized targets (such as Andy Carroll) takes away a lot of that style of play if the long-ball approach is taken. There is a potentially significant cost saving though - you could do away with the midfield entirely as the ball will spend most its time flying over their heads - perhaps Robert Huth and Rory Delap could come in to help out?}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:43:41
Ed0002, would you like to give us your view on last night. I've read a few of your comments and you seem to be waiting for someone to come on and lay in to Dalglish, Harry J, no friend of KK, being your best hope so far. Maybe if you give us your view, then we can really get the dicussion going, after all you have editorial freedom there, so lets hear it.

Mjr Hufton Tufton (rtd)

{Ed002's Note - I am not expecting anyone to lay in to the team or the manager - I think the fans managed it perfectly well on their own. I thought the performance last night was poor. Again I thought the Liverpool tactics naive at best. Most infuriating of all is that the style of play is seemingly being adapted by Kenny Dalglish to fit in with Andy Carroll - rather than Carroll adapting to fit in with the team's style of play. I mentioned earlier that we know Suarez was expecting to come in and build a playing relationship with Torres. It is tough to see how he could do that quite so easily with Carroll. For me, perhaps the club need to look at bringing in a second striker in the summer (Hulk was mentioned earlier and perhaps he would be a decent fit). This would probably push Carroll to the bench as an alternative option - otherwise get used to the long-ball game. Many of the higher profile strikers will think twice about moving to Liverpool if they anticipate that they will be starting only from the bench. Hopefully a rationale explanation of my view on last night.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:31:58
ED? ?
whou would you like that you think is possible for the followong positions that I think need strengthening:
Mine are:
LB: Baines
CB: Cahill
RM: Payet
LM: Dzsudzsak (my favourite winger)
CM: M'Villa
CM: Sissoko
ST: Hulk

thanks {Ed002's Note - There seems to be gathering pace in the rumours surrounding Baines - but I have not heard anything concrete to support those rumours. I doubt Cahill as an option. Much will depend on whether or not Kenny Dalglish (or anyone in that role) wants Ayala for the long term. Agger and Ayala would provide a good young pairing. Payet, M'Vila and Sissoko are all players I have suggested would be (1) good additions, and (2) available at a reasonable price to Liverpool. Dzsudzsak has been of interest to a number of clubs - particularly in England. If he does move to England I suspect that Arsenal may have the edge over Liverpool at the moment. I don't know of interest from Liverpool in Hulk and I don't know if he would make the move to probably end up on the bench.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:39:36
"The Madness of King Roy XXXXI"

I know!
I saw it like you did; disappointing, but hey . . it's probably a better run than we would have had under the old regime . . . .?

MIDFIELD: poor and not just becuase we lacked Steven Gerrard. The one thing we can say about the centre of the park is thaty we seem to lack 'bite.' Meireles was poor last night and Lucas seemed to wander when covering for him. It was interestesting to see Skrtel pushes forward and covering for them both. That aside, we possibly need a central midfielder who can tackle and provide some muscle. Since the days of Hamman, we have either lacked a player with his guile to simply steal the ball from runners, or a man like Alonso (who could at time put it about) or someone even tougher. Marveaux has played in that role but is more like SG in pushing on. It was an area in which we lost the game last night + the poor instincts of Dirk Kuyt in walking in to so many offisde traps. I expected more of him last night.

DALGLISH: Why I'm even mentioning it . . . There was some chatter and mention of Dalglish maybe being the stop-gap manager - "and last night proved that."
I reject, ignore and refute such comments. He was the man three weeks ago and he needs more time than 12 games to prove it.

BALOTELLI: I completely blame Roberto Mancini and MCFC for this debacle. The boy (he is that in a man's body) is confused, lost, immature, fractious, fragile, lost and irritating. So it is with so many boys from 16-22 because that is how we are wired, how we react and how we develop.
It is madness for the TV commentators to saddle him with the maturity of a 30 year old and blame him for his immaturity and reckless behaviour. Give a teenager £80,000 a week; let him drive expensive cars; tell him he is a footballing genius and surround him with sycophants and it will turn his head. It may even turn mine!
This is a much deeper and wider football issue and not related only to the sport.
There is no coming back from this behaviour if the player is allowed to run free.
Rather than indulging him, he and other young players should be guided through these years of youth and high earnings. Yes, there players that can handle it, but it's the others we need to mind.
I'm not falling in to the trap of saying "they get the money, they should deal with it." Would your 18 year old stay on the rails if you gave him a BMW 740i, a £17,000 Audemars Piguet watch and a monthly income after tax of £225,000?

UEFA:

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:31:54
How did we get so bad.
Hodgson struggled to get us playing.
KK got the usual new manager improved results syndrome out of us.
I know Stevie G was missing last night, but have we really looked any good this season even when Stevie has played?
I don't think so.
Did we give Rafa one year too many?
Has his philosophy of it doesn't matter if we lose, I am going to rest/ rotate my players, rubbed off on to this current squad?
Loved the guy, didn't like his methods. . . .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:24:09
Why on earth are loads of 'fans' coming on here to slag off Andy Carroll?

Was it his fault that every time we got the ball we passed it back to Carra to launch it forwards, No. Was it his fault that Dirk got in the way of his goal-bound header, No. Was it his fault that he had no service from out wide and had to flick on straight long balls, No.

The lad was probably our best player last night and he never gave up, he fought for every ball.

We need a few quality wingers so we can actually get the ball down and play it out to them so they can put in to create some real goalscoring chances.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:25:42
The natives are restless today Eds eh? Busy one. For u today. Lol.
I'm not suprised though, last night was poor. But the whole Europa campaign has. It is more of a millstone than an inspiring European venture. I don't like it at all.
But we are what we are - full team out in a 'big' game and we can beat anyone. But with a few players out, against a resolute but capable side, we're inconsistent.
We all know that. Just hope it gets put right in summer.
KB

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:21:56
I hope everyone realises now that there is no quick fix to our problems. No matter how talented our first 11 is, we have a s**t squad which needs overhauling and would need TIME. This is not FM and we must be prepared to show patience, patience in owners, patience in KK. We have some exciting youth prospects coming through the ranks and KK is the best man to guide them. But the problem is our bench, and as long as dross like ngog, maxi, kyrgiakos, skrtel remain we would continue to play rubbish, whenever we have injuries or other problems to our main players.


LONG LIVE THE KING

VM YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:01:51
Is the resurgence under Kenny a myth?
6 out of the last 7 performances have been poor.
Under Roy we had one memorable performance - Chelsea at home. Under Kenny we have had one - United at home. OK we won at Chelsea but it wasn't with beautiful football. We probably played better under Roy at Spurs and lost
Roy won 13 out of 31 - 41.9%
Kenny has won 6 out of 14 - 42.8%
Roy lost 9 out of 31 - 29.0%
Kenny has lost 4 out of 14 - 28.6%
Virtually identical records.

If Roy had been in charge last night he would have been castigated for the performance and rightly so.
I'm certainly no fan of Roys but have things really improved as much as we are being led to believe?
Before you tell me about the quality of football look at the 4 Europa league games and how we were made to look second best by both West Ham and Wigan.

Harry J

Harry J,

I think you need to mention

1- Roy like Rafa, Was good in Europe (Roy was unbeaten with us in fact) But average in the league. Roys win ratio was thanks too Europe.

2- Unlike Roy, KK is poor in Europe (To be fair he's only manager in 4 games EVER) But was good in EPL, KK took us from relagation candidates to top 6 pushing for top 4 in 3 months.

3- Yes we are still playing poor football like under Roy, Difference is KK is getting the results, Scruffy 1-0 wins as oposed to draws or losses, KK dosn't have the team to play pass and move a) Too many poor technical players, b) Too many lazy players.

Give KK a break, We are winning more EPL games than losing under him.

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:05:27
From the way this season has panned out it would be easier and less time comsuming to name the players worth keeping than naming those who need to be sold on in the summer! With said players being Reina, Gerrard, Suarez, Kelly and Carrol!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:06:33
Guys. .relaxxxxxxxxx

atleast all the management can see how much work needs to be done. . = buy plenty of creative pacey players.


so no manager in the world can make this team win the europa or the league or fa cup. whatever

kenny should be judged after the summer buys and the season following that

all the fans here know exactly the problems we have so lets wait till the summer. forget this season its over. and lets really hope we just go crazy in the transfer market. and make us a force. .

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:11:22
{Ed002's Note - Broadly I agree with your summary - but it does seem like a series of excuses - again not mentioning the role of Kenny Dalglish.}

Thank for reply ED,

Not excuses, I said last night KK cost us that game with his lack of ideas (think he was hoping the 11 would do the job) When they wasn't he didn't seem to no what to do for the best.
As I said not excuses we have problems, We still rely on Stevie & Suarez (once Torres) to win games for us, Raul is a math winner but only when Stevie or Suarez are picking his runs out, For me its not all bad, But in the areas were it is bad, Its SHOCKING.

Reina - World class
Kelley - Outstanding
CB - Need a new one for sure
Agger - Good composed defender and footballer
Johnson - IS a left back, Not a right back
RM - Need pace here, Sterling when he's ready
LM - Need a crosser nothing more, A left sided Beckham
Raul - Good technical player, Good runs
Gerrard - World class, STILL
Suarez - Worlds greatest, Well he's world class at least
Carroll - Good target man, But not ONLY option.

UCCM

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:13:46
We need to realise that next season we will not be in europe. by not being in europe limits the type of player we can attract. also there will be players at the club that will want to leave to play in the champions league. Gerrard & Reinia, are 2 top class players we might lose. so who realistically can we get. bear in mind we have no manager in place either for next season.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:15:32
Who could we get as manager? Oneil- no he's carp, fat Sam- really. Mourinho- not a chance in him wanting it. Dechamps- no experience in EPL as manager. Benitez return- got us in Europe every season but time to move on. The fact remains, there is no one outthere goodenough and fans must be patient.

I did mention back in November that the man for the job is Andre Villas Boas. His Porto team are still unbeaten and playing good football. He is destined for one of the top jobs in Europe. I think we should be bold and go for him in the summer.

Harry J

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Villas Boas would be any more interested in Liverpool than Jose Mourinho is? Maybe he has somewhere else in mind for the long term?}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:17:45
Is the resurgence under Kenny a myth?
6 out of the last 7 performances have been poor.
Under Roy we had one memorable performance - Chelsea at home. Under Kenny we have had one - United at home. OK we won at Chelsea but it wasn't with beautiful football. We probably played better under Roy at Spurs and lost
Roy won 13 out of 31 - 41.9%
Kenny has won 6 out of 14 - 42.8%
Roy lost 9 out of 31 - 29.0%
Kenny has lost 4 out of 14 - 28.6%
Virtually identical records.

If Roy had been in charge last night he would have been castigated for the performance and rightly so.
I'm certainly no fan of Roys but have things really improved as much as we are being led to believe?
Before you tell me about the quality of football look at the 4 Europa league games and how we were made to look second best by both West Ham and Wigan.

Harry J

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Sorry mate but you are missing the point there. .Yes we all wanted roy out , because we as liverpool fans Know our football and know our club. . We could see our club was was on a tight rope of make or break due to the faults of Hicks, gillet . . .and our squad was in a state of decay. The decisions that needed to be made regarding our squad, had to be made by some one we could trust due to lies we had been fed for 3 years. . Kenny Dalglish was and still is the only choice for our club, and is exactly what we needed at that time. . .We still know our squad needs massive improvement, but just for you to think about? How would our squad look today if roy was still in charge through the window, then torres saga unfolded? Enough said!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:52:58
We should have bought a lamppost would have been a lot cheaper than £35m just making it a long ball game carp to watch not the liverpool way at all out of europe for a good few years to come how do we attract top quality now

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:56:33
Might I add.
Dalglish isn't experienced enough in managment in Europe
But I have alot more confidence in him rather than O'neil or Hodgson.
Who could we get as manager? Oneil- no he's carp, fat Sam- really. Mourinho- not a chance in him wanting it. Dechamps- no experience in EPL as manager. Benitez return- got us in Europe every season but time to move on. The fact remains, there is no one outthere goodenough and fans must be patient.
Dalglish will come good, his record as a manager is a winner.
On Carroll, people forget it was his first full game after his lengthy injury

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:58:49
Last night exposed liverpool for the squad that we have. no width, do ideas, long ball rubbish. if that is how they are going to use andy carroll then he may as well look elsewhere. btw, imo pepe reinia will be sold in the summer. we need to really look at this squad and say who is worth keeping

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:59:50
Hey lfc fans. .

yes very painful last night. .but im sure we all knew the luck would run out at some point.

its even worse knowing that we beat all the teams left in the europa. EASILY under benitez. .but we had babel benayoun alonso and mascherano and torres. .AND EVEN THEN we needed more players especially wingers.

so it shows how poor our team really is. . . . . .

the only fear i have is that we only buy 1 or 2 players like wingers. but we keep the same weak midfield and full backs. . .

eds. .do you think alot of changes will be done for the team. or you think only a few minor tweaks. here and there?

{Ed002's Note - It depends on what money can be raised, and on which players want to make the move. I expect perhaps three first team regulars will change, maybe four. In addition a coule of squad players will come in.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 10:00:17
Ed - why was JW Henry at Anfield last nite? Was it to finalise KD's contract? Could the team performance jeopardise the contract talks?

SingRed

{Ed002's Note - As a part owner of the team there does not need to be an ulterior motive for him to show up at a game.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:49:57
Ed id like your opinion on this if you arn't too swamped with posts,

I think alot of posters are reacting with their hearts, Rather than their heads.
Yes we played long hoof ball last night because that was our only real option given the talent on the field, Johnson never really did a "wingers" type of job on the right hand side, Wilson isn't an attacking player. Maxi provides very little in the field of play, His only good points are nice flicks around the penalty box "sometimes", But over all play is lacking in every department. Lucas is a solid player who will work his socks of BUT will never be a game changer, Thats not his style, The better players around him he ups his game, The poorer and he struggles. Raul is a fantastic player but unfortunatly couldn't make those threatening runs he does because there was no-one who could pick him out "ala Suarez" or even Stevie, But tryed to take on the role of playmaker, But had no runners, Cole tryed hard to make things happen but either he's not fit, Not capable, Or dosn't have any ideas of the players around him, Kuyt is a work horse nothing more really, Yes he scored three against Man Utd, But that was largely thanks to Suarez (And Nani lol), He was supposed to get on the end of carroll's knock downs "a la Van Der Vaart" But was never really there to do it, He was chasing players down too much and alas was never really in attacking posisions.
Andy Carroll was not match fit BUT is always able to win headers fit or not, Thats why we used him in this way last night, But he had no striker to play with so he was against all 4 defenders on his own without Suarez for support.

We don't have enough players who run WITH the ball, Only Suarez and Gerrard and Agger are comfortable with the ball, The rest like to be on the end of things too much, We also lack width and pace, But that's been said TOO many times, So i'd like your feedback Ed, Also if any posters opinions.

UCCM {Ed002's Note - Broadly I agree with your summary - but it does seem like a series of excuses - again not mentioning the role of Kenny Dalglish.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:25:55
All the whining here is due to the fact that we raise our expectations too much after a good game like manure at anfield. Seriously I am appalled at seeing KK getting slagged here. What do you expect, that with a bench like ours we would be able to play like barcelona? Stevie, suarez, kelly, agger, aurelio all couldn't play and when we have dross like maxi, soto, ngog, poulsen in our ranks we are gonna see more of this till the end of the season. We wouldn't go anywhere unless we have some pace and flair on the wings and a commanding presence in the midfield. I would be very happy with no europe next season rather than the terrible europa league. Lastly I hope this is carra's final season and KK tells him to hang up his boots honourably and play in active part in management rather than hoofing it up on the field.


we are not brazil but braga or not madrid either.the fact braga seem to have their own match officials did not help but the main point is that the players lacked ideas, skill and ambition.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:21:54
Is the resurgence under Kenny a myth?
6 out of the last 7 performances have been poor.
Under Roy we had one memorable performance - Chelsea at home. Under Kenny we have had one - United at home. OK we won at Chelsea but it wasn't with beautiful football. We probably played better under Roy at Spurs and lost
Roy won 13 out of 31 - 41.9%
Kenny has won 6 out of 14 - 42.8%
Roy lost 9 out of 31 - 29.0%
Kenny has lost 4 out of 14 - 28.6%
Virtually identical records.

If Roy had been in charge last night he would have been castigated for the performance and rightly so.
I'm certainly no fan of Roys but have things really improved as much as we are being led to believe?
Before you tell me about the quality of football look at the 4 Europa league games and how we were made to look second best by both West Ham and Wigan.

Harry J

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:19:07
Whatever the question. Joe Cole is not the answer.
He has poor pace, gets tired very very quickly and is easily knocked off the ball. I think we bought a dud there.

MAxi, Kuyt, Lucas, Wilson, Cole, Carra and Skrtel just not good enough. Mireles is class but needs to toughen up, he is a bit of a pussy.
Lots of wheeling and dealing to do over summer.
Add Gerrard, Suarez and Agger, kelly, plus 4 top siginings (first teamers) we might have a chanc next season.
And how Spearing gets a game over Pacheco is baffling. Spearing is Championship quality at best.
Suso and Sterlng and Coady are just too young to blood right now.
RED FIRST & LAST

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:58:26
One good thing to come from last night. . at least we won't have to worry if suarez can play in the next el game! Always look on the bright side
The moonpig xxxo

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:01:49
Another game with a complete lack of creativity, Joe Cole should never play on the wings the only position for him is behind the strikers, if we can't play him there then don't play him.Far be it from me to tell Kenny how to set his team up but we don't have any wingers so don't try and play like we have it just doesn't work.
Also I get the Lucas has improved brigade because he has, but if he gets caught in possession again I think I will explode.Then to try and make up for it he gives away cheap fouls.We are suffering for Roy Hodgsons stupid decision to send Aquilani on a 12 month loan.He should have gone until January then given a chance to come back and prove himself and if he was not up to then sell him.His creativity from the middle last night would have made a lot of difference.
Finally how many people think that if we had got Charlie Adam that Lucas would still be playing.

{Ed002's Note - Aquilani went not because of "Roy Hodgson's stupid decision" but because he hated life at Liverpool.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:03:45
I have always been a fan of carra, but I now think it is time to move someone else into that position of CB! Everytime he got the ball last night he looked for the long ball every time. We desperately need a ball playing CB and two extremely good wingers to provide carroll as that's the only way we will get the very best out of him. Also why is every time with kuyt up front he is offside 99% of the time as a pro how hard is it to look along the line you learn that as a kid. Ed thoughts?

MK Red {Ed002's Note - The answer may be in Agger and Ayala.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 09:16:02
There was no believe last night.
to use carroll we need wings that can pass a player and give crosses, carroll will come good.
there was no balance in the team, lucas and meirelles do the same thing they are looking for the pass, they can't play togheter.
gerrard can take on players in the middle and when he does a defender needs to come out of position to pick him up and space is created.
yesterday braga had a easy night defending.
wilson never wanted the ball
maxi not good enough don't why we bought him
cole strugling with himself.
kuyt and carrol togheter makes no sense
no lfc quality on the bench.

yesterday all quastions were answered.
keepin mind we missed agger gerrard suarez kelly
we need to replace.
maxi
ngog
poulsen
cole
carra
soto


rb kelly johnson
cb skrtel ?
cb agger ?
lfb? ?
mid lucas gerrard meirelles shelvey? ? ?
right wing? ?
forward suarez carroll kuyt ?
lesft wing ?

we need to get at least 6 players with lfc quality.
then we need to gve the youth a chance, if they don't take there chances we need to buy again.
the problem is that in the last few years we did not buy any quality and it will take time to change those mistakes.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:33:16
Disappointed for a number of reasons about last night's performance but it's not as if we haven't seen it coming; when Gerrard and Suarez are out of the team it lacks creativity; here's hoping we get some new players in the summer but it's going to be hard convincing them to join if other teams can offer champions league or europa football IMO.

I wasn't going to single out players but I think the criticism of Spearing and Wilson is shocking; Spearing is not our worst central midfielder (fortunately he stayed on the bench) and Wilson was again played out of position.

How many times was Kuyt offside over the 2 legs; but because he works hard he gets little criticism; I'll wait for you all to remind me of his hat trick but IMO he's a liability more times than he is a Hero.

I hope Carroll's not too knackered and can play on Sunday as it will be good to see him and Suarez up front together.

Hoola

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:42:40
It's hard to realise we are a sub standard team but we are.kk tactics are as rusty as our performances mirelis hs had more bad games than good.Lucas should be used as aa attacking midfielder and have the shackles off as i think his talents have been wasted for to long.all the old boys 29 and over need shipping out cole, merelis etc as they do not set a good enough standard for the youngsters coming through to learn from.last night reminded me of when crouch used to play and we lumped up for him to head on to nobody.we neede pace last night ngog and pacheco could of provided this sorry but i think kk needs a huge re think i still think he can do a job though.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:54:23
Lets hope this can be rectified in the Summer. But I don't think its a quick fix the issue is deep rooted in bad purchases of the past - another good clear out is needed!

I'm glad Henry was there last night he saw first had which players just aren't good enough for LFC.

YNWA {Ed002's Note - You don't hold Kenny Dalglish responsible at all then?}

Why, do you Ed?

{Ed002's Note - If the recent performances had taken place under Roy Hodgson, the fans would be screaming for his head - and rightly so. Kenny Dalglish has come in and done a great job in uniting the players and getting them in a much better mindset and this is tremendous but perhaps something that could have been done without needing to take the manager's job. I said at the time that I feared that giving Dalglish the job on a permanent basis, rather than just a stop gap to the end of the season, was probably not forward looking enough. I watched last night's game and it was pretty evident that the style of player, based on a long-ball game, did not suit many of the players and had been put in place due to Andy Carroll taking the role of the lump up front. Putting aside Suarez's comments about how he had expected to play with Torres when he made the move to Liverpool, it strikes me that another forward needs to be recruited that Suarez can build a relationship with. For a “footballing” side such as Liverpool, Andy Carroll seems to be best suited to being another option that can be used from the bench. As a regular starter, Liverpool probably need to adapt their game to him rather than the other way around. That is never good in my view - and DAlglish should shoulder the blame.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:54:57
Can i just say why didn't we buy any wingers in Jan i mean we have no pace on the wings why spend 35 mill on Carroll if he ain't going to get any service i would have paid 3 million for someone like jerome Tomas he aint the best but he has pace and cross balls but we didn't get 1 winger that could have made all the difference 35 million for carroll is a waste if we don't have any pace on the wings maxi needs to go back to Spain, Reina can leave if he wants to play for man u, Carra is a legend but lets be honest his best days are gone Lucas only turns up for big games, and we have now started playing long balls like we did before and it was like watch a big sam team yesterday! i would prefer to watch football

Ren

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:53:55
Bad game tonight. Here are a few quick thought:

1)Carragher: He's a legend at the club, and will go down as one of it's most loyal servents, but his passing from the back is horrible. It always has been and it always will be.

2)Lucas: I think he is still improving, and overall I like his game. He plays great in "the big games, " but when we're playing a team below us, in terms of quality, he can't boss the midfield like I think he could. He takes to much time on the ball, and his passing lets him down.

3)Maxi: His lack of commitment is criminal, he dives, and adds next to nothing to our team. I feel sorry for KK because its not as if we have someone better on the bench. Having said that, I would give Pacheco a chance in Maxi's place.

4)Miereles: Sub par performance, but he's class. Wish he would have gotten on the ball more.

5)Cole: Looked lively for the first 15mins then got tired! Is he really that out of shape? I actually thought it might be his brake through game, but alas. . .

6)Carroll: He is a player. I think even he would wonder why we just huffed the ball up to him so often. It is a good outlet to have, but not something he have to used all the time. In time he will come good.

7)Kuyt: He is what he is, a tireless worker he runs all game. Love his attitude.

8)Reina: Best keeper in the world?. . maybe, but he's defenitly in the top 5. Hope he stays.

9)Johnson: It's funny, I think he does better on the left. Wish we would have pushed higher up the pitch.

10)Skrtel: Had a good game. Nothing fancy, but solid.

11)Wilson: got fleeced a couple times, and he didn't really provide enough width, but he was playing out of position, and he is young, so the jury is still very much out on him

Would love to hear peoples opinions on this.
Add a couple GOOD WINGERS next year, and I think we have a really good team.

Couldnt have put it better, quality comments mate!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:04:02
From last nights performance it quite clearly shows 4 major issues when Agger, Stevie and Suarez aren't playing -
1. Lack of creativity
2. Lack of Pace
3. Lack of Width
4. Lack of desire

Lets hope this can be rectified in the Summer. But I don't think its a quick fix the issue is deep rooted in bad purchases of the past - another good clear out is needed!

I'm glad Henry was there last night he saw first had which players just aren't good enough for LFC.

YNWA {Ed002's Note - You don't hold Kenny Dalglish responsible at all then?}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:21:57
No Agger, No Kelly, No Gerrard & no Suarez ( I know he's cup tied)! With these players fit we would have had a good chance of winning the Europa Cup, but yet again it's proof that we might have a very good 11 when all fit but no where near enough a good squad.

The Irish Rover

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 08:24:17
Perhaps a very unfair point but ironically the cost of kyrgiakos continues to rise because twice he's lunged in and twice we have been knocked out of a european comp. Still its a team effort and we didn't deserve to beat braga and they will realistcly never make the final but good luck to them.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 03:33:17
All the whining here is due to the fact that we raise our expectations too much after a good game like manure at anfield. Seriously I am appalled at seeing KK getting slagged here. What do you expect, that with a bench like ours we would be able to play like barcelona? Stevie, suarez, kelly, agger, aurelio all couldn't play and when we have dross like maxi, soto, ngog, poulsen in our ranks we are gonna see more of this till the end of the season. We wouldn't go anywhere unless we have some pace and flair on the wings and a commanding presence in the midfield. I would be very happy with no europe next season rather than the terrible europa league. Lastly I hope this is carra's final season and KK tells him to hang up his boots honourably and play in active part in management rather than hoofing it up on the field.


LONG LIVE THE KING

VM YNWA

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 04:03:50
Match after match , especially in Europe, we are playing awful football, . players like , Joe Cole, Maxi, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Spearing, Ngog who i believe isn't good enough . .especially this Joe Cole, when he joined us, i also believed he can be a good bargain for us but he is not, its a shame that LFC has to pay him 80 000k a week.
Even though Kenny said that our squad has enough quality to cope , we can see from our results that he is just got it wrong,
Now we have got Andy Carroll , he can be a lethal weapon if we know how to get the best out of him, but LFC don't have enough width, to get the best out of him. .
Its time for Kenny to Clear the dead wood (Joe Cole, Maxi, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Spearing, Ngog) .
Kenny has to really buy two to three quality wingers, so that LFC can have some width which has been lacking for a long time.

we all believe Kenny knows what he is doing and he will know what is good for the club, Plz King Kenny clear those Dead wood.

Joe cole has always said that he will show his best soon, but a season is going to end, still now he has failed, & i didn't believe he will ever do it here, we don't have enough time on us to give him, time for Joe to leave. .bye bye Joe.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 05:13:09
SIX NATIONS Chris Ashton is a gilk, Predicted on the BBC that liverpool are going to get battered by five goals this weekend Sunderland 5-0 Liverpool

I thought yesterdays game was good. Not all bad need kelly back. Just lacking width again and Carrol needs to figure out a few things up front.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 05:22:20
I think the Liverpool fans are their own worst enemies and they shouldn't complain about results. So Paul Konchesky mom had a go at some supporters, but the supporters where having a go at him. Now Liverpool are without a LBK half way through the season. We could of used him Europe tonight.

Regardless of personal opinions as to weather he is a good or bad player. He would of still made up squad depth.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 05:26:59
J. Cole lack of movement. I still think a player that slow and able to move into the right positions on the wing. Should be retrained to play in the center. I would wish Harry Kewell was back at the club

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 05:36:02
RE:Luke Freeman (22 March 1992) Arsenal Youth striker.

I saw him play against the Liverpool, He looks like a goal scorer.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 06:36:55
Andy caroll absoulte carp 35millon wat joke kenny

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are you serious? ?? 2 subs and 1 start and your calling him already, you can't be a liverpool fan surely? ? i know lets sell him ! ! !

matty b

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:22:44
Terrible performance! I think Carroll was the biggest waste of money. When he's on nobody else plays football they just hoof the ball up to him and he's not good enough with his feet, all he can do is win headers. At least when we played like that with Crouch he could use his feet.
N'Gog looked lively when he came on and normally I don't rate him. We showed no ambition, had no width and nobody trying hard enough. I think KK left it a bit late to change things too.

Also want to have a little moan about stupid 'cup tied rules'. A club buys players to improve and can't use them cos they have played for another team! What a load of m*****ks! Why can't it just be a rule so they can't play against their previous team? Any other time we'd be getting fined for not filding our strongest side!

All in all a poor display from our players. I really expected us to win about 3-0.

I was at Anfield for the youth FA cup game on sunday and maybe we should've played that team last night. They perform better than the senior players!

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:39:16
Ed how come we finished 7th last season and still qualified for Europa League ? {Ed002's Note - Because the League Cup winners were Manchester United and the FA Cup Winners were Chelsea who were already in the Champions League (and the runners up who would have qualified were Portsmouth - who did not have the necessary UEFA license due to financial issues). As such 6th and 7th places in the league became available.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:41:15
Ed I'm really having a tough time coming up with good realistic options that could play for us up front with Suarez and Carroll. I'm assuming that we are going to try to either play a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 (the latter being my preference) and I can't figure out who is going to fit into the squad. Here are those that have been rumoured and why I don't think they are either good or realistic enough.

Benzema - in very good form now, he would be way to pricey (Real would want over 30m for him with the way he is playing) and would have to adapt to a wide role as Carroll will be in the middle. Also, other places can offer him CL football.
Lavezzi - I really don't trust the Italian League one bit and he has been playing in it for the majority of his career. Isn't really that impressive to me regardless anyways.
Sanchez - he just isn't coming. Way overpriced and I don't trust Serie A.
Hazard - I believe he has came out and said that he doesn't want to join Liverpool. That's enough for me. Didn't think it would happen regardless.
Gervinho - inconsistent despite good stats. But if you are inconsistent in the French League, you would probably be much more inconsistent in the PL if you are not used the power and pace of the league.
Van Wolfswinkel - didn't impress me when we played them, I'm not so sure that he is a good option.
Young - only offers pace, he can't cross for sh*te and he cuts in way too much.
Elia - don't think he is good enough, he can't even get into the Hamburg team. not a huge fan of his attitude either.
Marveaux - recovering from a major injury and when fit he is a squad player at best.
Bojan - playing poorly for Barca and definitely not worth 18m. Reminds of Pacheco, really.
Turan - not enough pace and he is supposedly off to Athletico anyways.
Adam Johnson - wouldn't come to us now that Mancini gives him a look when he is fit.
Hulk - expensive and hasn't been linked with us a bunch. very good though, I'd actually love to have him.

Are there any others that I've missed?

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:45:11
We need villa boas not king kenny we must win d league come 2011/ 2012 season we need 2get about legend statue 4 now pls guyz.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 07:45:13
Thoughts on last nights game: A very poor performance but could see it coming after 15 minutes. No creativity in midfield due to Cole and Maxi disappearing leaving Lucas and Raul to play against 5 Braga players. Hence they looked less than their best as well. No one on the bench to replace the skivers either so we were in trouble early on. Thought Carroll did ok and will get better when we have some ammo for him.

Also nice to see our manager being honest about the performance and after the game and not slating the referee. . .we should send the video to Rednose!
Iggypop

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 01:52:11
Another dreadful performance in a dreadful competition. I for one am delighted that we are no longer in this waste of time cup and don't have to spend hard earned money watching the dregs of European leagues showing us how poor we are.
Personally, I hope we don't qualify for this next season as it's not even Champions League lite. Its the crap teams of Europe and winning it is as meaningless as any cup ever gets.
One further thing, if Jay Spearing can play for Liverpool then so can I. I'm 50, but still quicker than him.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 01:13:15
Bad game tonight. Here are a few quick thought:

1)Carragher: He's a legend at the club, and will go down as one of it's most loyal servents, but his passing from the back is horrible. It always has been and it always will be.

2)Lucas: I think he is still improving, and overall I like his game. He plays great in "the big games, " but when we're playing a team below us, in terms of quality, he can't boss the midfield like I think he could. He takes to much time on the ball, and his passing lets him down.

3)Maxi: His lack of commitment is criminal, he dives, and adds next to nothing to our team. I feel sorry for KK because its not as if we have someone better on the bench. Having said that, I would give Pacheco a chance in Maxi's place.

4)Miereles: Sub par performance, but he's class. Wish he would have gotten on the ball more.

5)Cole: Looked lively for the first 15mins then got tired! Is he really that out of shape? I actually thought it might be his brake through game, but alas. . .

6)Carroll: He is a player. I think even he would wonder why we just huffed the ball up to him so often. It is a good outlet to have, but not something he have to used all the time. In time he will come good.

7)Kuyt: He is what he is, a tireless worker he runs all game. Love his attitude.

8)Reina: Best keeper in the world?. . maybe, but he's defenitly in the top 5. Hope he stays.

9)Johnson: It's funny, I think he does better on the left. Wish we would have pushed higher up the pitch.

10)Skrtel: Had a good game. Nothing fancy, but solid.

11)Wilson: got fleeced a couple times, and he didn't really provide enough width, but he was playing out of position, and he is young, so the jury is still very much out on him

Would love to hear peoples opinions on this.
Add a couple GOOD WINGERS next year, and I think we have a really good team.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 01:04:49
Ed. .do you think we will get the players we want if we don't make it into Europe next season and also do you think Kenny will be our permanent boss after today's result. {Ed005's Note - I think we will mate. Take someone like A.Young for example (as he is a target), if he wanted to join us before I'm sure he's not going to turn around and say no now just because we're not in the Europa League. And I think Kenny will get the job.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 01:03:51
I think we played much better after the changes kk
made but shoulde of made them 10 mins erlier to have
the time to take affect insted of the panicked attacks
we made.on another note i think we should all take a
deep breath and realise we are at the beginning of the rebuilding not the end, and were with out are best player suarez and the man who's famous for turning
these games around gerrard some people can't see the woods for the trees.

aintree dave

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:59:05
Ed. .is it only 5th place that we can get into europe or can it be 6th {Ed005's Note - Only 5th can get us a Europa League place now mate.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:36:37
Why are people complaining so much about the Europa League? Since when has it been important? If anything, it is a good thing we aren't in European competitions next year. Granted, signing players will be a little more difficult. But now, our main focus will be either getting in the top 4 or getting number 19.

What is it with people saying Kenny is not the right man for the job? Have you seen our performances in the Premier League (bar West Ham)? Much better than Roy Hodgson. If anything, it is some of the players that are not the right people in the job. Our squad SUCKS! We have talent, no doubt. Backup, though, sucks. In order to win trophies, a team needs good backup. There is no doubt that Liverpool will be in the transfer market again.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:33:41
Do you honestly feel that the Price tag attached to Carroll was justified? Yeh he does prove domininate in the air and it could lead to goal scoring opportunities, but I feel that hoofing the ball the length of the pitch isn't the liverpool pass and move football that has proven success. It just seems as though the players run out of ideas when Carroll has been on the pitch. I'm sure it will get better and hopefully at the end of the season we can bring in some players that can get down the wings and put a decent ball in for him to get on the end of. But at the minute he just appears to be a very expensive luxury that Liverpool could have used the money to invest better elsewhere. {Ed005's Note - He wasn't worth his price tag, I agree. But he showed at Newcastle he's a pretty good finisher and there is more to his game than just heading. But we've lacked a real prescence up top for many years now - hopefully if he gets fit we'll see the form which he showed at Newcastle.}

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Lets not forget the fact he has yet to play alongside a fit gerrard and eager Suarez. with miereles their, them 4 are world beaters.

All that is lacking now is quality wingers.

Carroll will come good, it wasn't his fault everyone pumped the ball up to him. That was out of desperation to make something happen.

Its clear he has much more to his game then just heading. He needs the players missing tonight to play with him, and as I said previously, wingers!

LFC Till I Die

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:21:45
Can anyone tell me what the difference was with kk in charge tonight than roy, kk had a 35m striker roy didnt, did liverpool play any better tonight than under roy would have done tonight, don't think so?
maybe we have been too harsh in the past, not saying we should have kept roy, god forbid, but maybe just maybe kk might just not be the answer, as much as i love him, if he couldnt get them playing pass and move maybe nobody can,
just a thought, {Ed005's Note - Have you not seen us play some excellent stuff under Dalglish this season? I think what you have posted is utter dribble. You say Dalglish has a £35m striker - well didn't Hodgson have possibly one of the best forwards in the world? A £50m striker? Dalglish is a far better manager than Hodgson. Yes, we were awful, but we were outnumbered in midfield and Dalglish has to try and get tosh like Joe Cole playing, and no width either. You must have been on Middle Earth since January - because Dalglish has turned it round.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:20:17
That game was cryin out for a fast CF that can time runs perfectly and sprint beyond the last defender, they were playing such a high line!, FT would have had a field day. In the summer we need to sign a similar but young and coming up talent with pace, timing and quality. That however could prove difficult.

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:16:24
If you want to blame someone blame kyrgiakos for an utter stupid tackle which gave them a penalty in the 1st leg.everyone is entitled to moan like myself but in the end kenny knows best.we have the owners and staff and now we just need the players.we have loads of hot prospects coming through such as suso coady sterling flannagan robinson wisdom. also lets not forget that we were without several key players. suarez cup tied.shelvey, gerrard, aurelio, kelly, agger injured.kenny has given the likes of ngog, spearing, poulsen, maxi, jovanovic there chances and they will be gone at the end of the season.along with the players on loan konchesky, el zhar, degen, aqualani who all are not good enough.as long as we can finish in the top 7 i will be happy 5th over the moan but like it has been posted before not getting europa league could be a blessing in disguise.i would rather win the carling or f.a cup than europa league.also majority of the players linked have not played in europe or are just in europa league so won't say no to the best club in the world who will guarante them more 1st team football than the likes of city or chelski.my last point is how can n e criticise wilson when hes a cb not a lb and hes only 18.DORSET RED

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:14:33
{Ed005's Note - Carroll isn't even at full match fitness - why not give him a chance? Amazing how fickle our support is. Embarassing.}

Do you honestly feel that the Price tag attached to Carroll was justified? Yeh he does prove domininate in the air and it could lead to goal scoring opportunities, but I feel that hoofing the ball the length of the pitch isn't the liverpool pass and move football that has proven success. It just seems as though the players run out of ideas when Carroll has been on the pitch. I'm sure it will get better and hopefully at the end of the season we can bring in some players that can get down the wings and put a decent ball in for him to get on the end of. But at the minute he just appears to be a very expensive luxury that Liverpool could have used the money to invest better elsewhere. {Ed005's Note - He wasn't worth his price tag, I agree. But he showed at Newcastle he's a pretty good finisher and there is more to his game than just heading. But we've lacked a real prescence up top for many years now - hopefully if he gets fit we'll see the form which he showed at Newcastle.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:10:16
People we shouldnt get so upset at the king hes been there a only few months and has alot of bad players to choose from. Carrol just come back from injury and suarez is a top buy but can't play europa so the biggest imprint he's had on the team so far is arguably those 2 players, which i think have been great, the rest have been managed by benitez and hodgson so they arent going to switch on the beautiful game when u got players like spearing and cole in the team. patience is needed with a couple of decent buys next season we will be challenging for everything watch
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whats wrong with cole?i thought he was one of our better players tonight, showed some nice passes and flicks and runs, at least he tried, give the guy a break,

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:01:46
Ed you think that's Pepe Reina's last game in Europe for us? {Ed005's Note - Don't know mate.}

 

 

 

 

18 Mar 2011 00:02:02
People we shouldnt get so upset at the king hes been there a only few months and has alot of bad players to choose from. Carrol just come back from injury and suarez is a top buy but can't play europa so the biggest imprint he's had on the team so far is arguably those 2 players, which i think have been great, the rest have been managed by benitez and hodgson so they arent going to switch on the beautiful game when u got players like spearing and cole in the team. patience is needed with a couple of decent buys next season we will be challenging for everything watch

 

 

 

 

 
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