Liverpool Banter Archive August 18 2012

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18 Aug 2012 23:32:19
After today's shambles Sahin would probably prefer to stack shelves at Tescos as opposed to play for us. RED LENIN

Humour in defeat Lenin, admirable !
Although surely he would fit better at Sahinsbury's ?
Couldn't help it !
Red Derry

Mats hummels could solve all of liverpool fc problems. He is just the kind of person they need of quality at the back that could marshal the back line.

Also it would do some of those big earners a real life lesson to see how the rest of us work so they can mess up on any given saturday. They should build in stacking shelves into the training routine. Mopping floors, and who ever messed up the week before has to clean the toilets.

A dose of what real life is.

Sell Agger for next to nothing to Man City, Sell Skertel to anyone who will have him. And buy someone of class and pace at the back. We can only perform if we have the best CBKs in the game.

25m Allen
25m Borini
29m Luis Suarez

Joe Cole looks like a 65 year old. His engine has gone, he can't perform at this level.

MARTIN JOL NEXT LIVERPOOL MANAGER

18 Aug 2012 23:10:41
Joe cole must be cursed!!

Don't know why we keep him? he play 10 minute football and looks he is gone.

Joe Cole must be crap

Quality player.

18 Aug 2012 23:09:24
QPR 0-5 Swansea . the man show he is in the business. lost his 2/3 best player still have a big win. Swansea City manager Michael Laudrup can be our next target as we have good relation with swansea :)

hhh

I cannot believe you. you are not a true liverpool fan because true liverpool fans support the manager. no liverpool fan gives their manager that much disrespect none...
derryred

Manager, Michael Laudrup ... Swansea City Association Football Club (Welsh)

He managed to get in some decent replacements for the departed. defender Kyle Bartley for a 1m.

Also Miguel Perez Cuesta from Rayo Vallecano aka Michu for 2m. He is a Spanish footballer who currently plays as an attacking midfilder. He got 15 La liga goals last year. Plus I got him in my fantasy team

So Jonathan de Guzman Villarreal is on Loan for departed.

We bought Joe Allen for 15million. They bought in those two for £3million. Plus Gylfi Sigurdsson now gone to Tottenham. People must realise that BR is less than competent in the transfer market and shouldn't be allowed to purchase any more players.

He can coach and stay within his skill set. Also LFC now need a new Director of Football and Youth development. It has become very clear BR is tactically lacking too.

He walked into WBA game thinking it was just another game, when he should of seen it as a WAR against Steve Clarke, who knows all our problems. we should of played defensive, forcing West Brom into attacking. They where the home team, their fans expected them to attack.

So why are we exposing ourselves to them?

18 Aug 2012 23:09:02
Gutted Stirling wernt in the team today he has been a great spark per season do u think we will see him at all in the first team Ed? Is Agger definatly staying now then? I don't see what everyone sees in him and Skrtyll they constantly make stupid mistakes today I thought the ref was a bit harsh but for the last 2 seasons they always make some stupid decisions in defence just look at skrtyll last year against qpr. I'd be delighted to replace any of them. Last time I said this on here some person said Skrtyll was best cb since Hansen I imagine hes been eating his words all afternoon. Oh well hopefully we can beat City next and forget about today but I do think we need to bring in a goal poacher asap we are just dont seem to be able to finish enough chances. What u guys think?

Lee

Agree with sterling, but in regards to agger and skertel, they didn't play pourly, it was gerrard who was making terrible passes all day. Left the back line hung out to dry...

relax, they will come together and improve. The only problem is they don't have much time before they could go 0-4...

I think that you're writing off agger and skrtel far too early. believe it or no hansen had bad games too, don't get me wrong i don't think they compare to hansen (but i never got the chance to see him play)
derryred

Totally agree that we need a poacher mate, today we messed up defensively but I don't think that is where the problem lies... We need an out and out goal scorer and a winger!! Why was sterling not even on the bench??... Lesson learnt I hope

Aldos tash

18 Aug 2012 23:21:27
hey peeps just my thoughts but i think we should play a frony three of suarez carrol borini in that order with suarez given the free role and why is because suraez makes more then he scores and probably would score more working of carrol like today carrol would of scored those headers he missed pluss he plays this way for uraguay witch he plays brilliant for i just feel this font three would work alot better any thoughts guys cheers

mike

Well as we seen from last year carroll was no great poacher himself. i would prefer to put borini in there.
derryred

True, but if it was the BR way Dempsey not Carroll?

Aldos tash

18 Aug 2012 23:20:52
Well On Monday nuri sahin will be joing Gunner

18 Aug 2012 23:18:14
Looking on the bright side, we're level with Spurs and only a point behind Arsenal...

18 Aug 2012 23:15:48
all these so called fans moanin already, give it a rest.
this was are first game of the season with a new style of play and a couple new signings. add to this most of are most experienced players just did not perform and made many mistakes. agger and skrtl looked like strangers and gerrard went missing. thank fook it has happened this early and we can move on from this hopefully one off performance. we have plenty of talent in this team to be challengeing at least for a top 4 finish. and i do believe we need a out and out goalscorer and possible 1 or 2 more players. just one of those days.

cheggerbalofski

Or we could get in the rest of Swansea team

GK Renia
FBK G Johnson
FBK Enquires
CBK A. Williams
CBK Agger
CMID Joe Allen
CMID Charlie Adams
Act Mid-Michu
Act Wing -N. Dyer
STK Luis Suarez
Act Wing -S. Sinclair

18 Aug 2012 23:15:09
This is very depressing
Hibsylfc
ed what do you think {Ed002's Note - I find most of the posts depressing today.}

18 Aug 2012 23:08:50
The sending off was wrong. It was outside the box. The second penalty was wrong too. Skrtel hardly touched him. First half was ok apart from Suarez missing his chances. Second half display was understandable due to previous events. Don't worry.

I agree he wasn't fully in the box however they were penaltys.

Rob

Irrelevant whether outside the box or not...red card if ref thinks its a foul,goalscoring opportunity and to be fair no ref is ever gonna spot that as outside the box anyway, looked in all the way...but def harsh on replay...second stonewall for me, Skrtel sleeping on who was behind him and kicked through the striker...no arguments, we were very naive at the back, embarrassingly so, the one area u would think we had most experience..totally disjointed when down to 10

Red Til Dead

Even Hansen agreed with the ref!

Stop bleating. A long season ahead, the players will take time to bed in the new "system"- although the concept of "get the ball and pass it to a team-mate" ain't complicated!

After Gomel I suggested a reality check from those that were gushing at our prospects- same goes now to those the doom merchants!

Long season- see where we are at the end of it.

Mrpjd

The sending off was correct - it doesn't matter whether it was outside or inside the box. The second penalty was harsh but Skrtl should have cleared and brought the man down instead. Stop complaining about the decisions - they didn't lose us the game - it was a poor performance

cozinoz

It was outside box but he pushed him so shldnt of been a pen but still a red. Long nipped infront of Skrtel, soft but it was a foul, unintentional yes clearly but its still a foul. Skrtel to be honest had a complete mare all game

18 Aug 2012 23:06:42
Like many of you I was gutted.

However you need to lay off BR & Borini. You cant panic & judge after 1 game. BR is a top coach but needs time & so does his players.

No doubt we are under-achieving but there is plenty of quality at our club BR just needs to make it click.

1st half was encouraging apart from a quality strike then things just snowballed after agger.

Just remember last season the starts spurs & arsenal had? Cmon fellow reds get behind the club, we av enough detractors out there (media) without our own fans. YNWA

Jimbob

18 Aug 2012 23:05:54
regardless of what we all think of BR he is going to stay our manager for the forseeable future, but i honestly believe he won't be given years to rebuild this team, the owners want CL football sooner rather than later, if things are going pearshaped after xmas, i can honestly see these yanks pulling the plug on him, he has to get things together quickly

wardie

This is the way of the world, unfortunately i don`t think he will be given that long either

18 Aug 2012 23:05:12
Would you all (Ed001 included) STILL say no to Jermaine Defoe?
I'm sure you will as you all know better than me!

Chris in Tamworth

I wish we bought him in january {Ed001's Note - I don't.}

Look defoe is a great goalscorer and perhaps what we need now, however so is dempsey and he is a better all rounder.
derryred

Please stop bleating on about it and keep your pants on mate.. Defoe simply isn't that good - an average player at best..

Zero

That's right Chris we do,didn't see him scoring the crucial equaliser so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
It really does amaze me how you ALWAYS think you know the answer to every proble, this ain'tChump manager pal.
Jonson

18 Aug 2012 23:03:00
Please people, calm it down. The manager is changing the way we approach a match. In the long run this will benefit the club but it's no short term fix. It will take time for the players to underrtand these tactics. I'd be surprised if we were anything better than crap for the first half of the season. But I'd then think it would click into place and we'd overperform in 2nd half. Keep the faith
Pieboy1812

18 Aug 2012 23:02:38
Look at the upside.

We are level on points with Manchester City and Manchester United

:)

18 Aug 2012 23:01:12
The players will need to bring more intensity if gerrard is not fit and needs to take some time to consider his career he should because this season matters. Last season proved that you can no longer coast through a season blaming misfortune and one bad result means nothing to the league placing. The players that are good enough need to adopt the attitude of teams such as Manchester united. Next game needs to be players taking the game by the scruff of the neck in midfield and attackers using their concentration to start making the right decisions.
This new manager will need to drill the defence and pick players on merit and performance, drop poor performers and tell them to get their act together. The lax meek performances under kenny seem to continue against very poor opposition.

You're actually writing off steven gerrard. okay mate. keep digging.
derryred

The point is his career is running down and he's not going to be taking the game by the scruff of the neck and being the match winner every week now. It's sad for him and liverpools legacy when they clock up 2 or 3 seasons of desperation. The difference is the fans don't look to him to lift us out of tail spin results anymore, it would be nice if some of his colleauges could give something back to a guy that has done so much for the club in terms of success and great football heights in terms of performance and securing the results a club needs to remain near the top.

18 Aug 2012 22:54:19
my Big hope to Assaidi Fast Triky Wing. Downing looks like thinking about left foot or right foot. Raheem is better then Downing.

hhh

18 Aug 2012 22:52:11
I believe in BR but that doesn't hide the fact that that was SHIIIEEET. Suarez being the ONLY creative player in our arsenal needs to change, it really does, Gerrard needs to wake up from his dream and see that his role needs to change, he needs to help allen and lucas in retrieving the ball.

when we attacked we have 5 players in and around the box but when we lost the ball we had 3-4 players defending at most.

the first goal was lucky, in the way that it fell to him. the second Skrtel needs to know when to play and when to clear (Agger knows when to hoof it) and if i was coates i'd question by position within the team.

he is at that age where skrtel and agger were being picked over aging cb's like hyypia

its not just good enough that we bought him but know we must make him into the profile that we made hyypia, agger and skrtel because there is no doubt in my mind that he is that good.

Well agger and skrtel are in their prime. one bad performance doesn't change that, although i'd be shocked if he doesn't start against city.
derryred

18 Aug 2012 22:48:49
We just need a goal scorer put Suarez on the right or left n go buy a finisher that's all we are lackin for god sake ,

W.b

How can something so simple be that hard to do. Like we've known since jan that we needed a striker an yet we haven't brought one in...

Borini ?
derryred

18 Aug 2012 22:46:58
Very disappointed. Im still sure that we can do good against the big teams but don't see top 4 happening. You know you'd say its the first game etc etc and doesnt matter etc etc but we are Liverpool. Im still with rodgers but I don't think that Liverpool should be defeated 3-0 by west brom. simple as that. For time, I don't think that it should take time. YES. Mourinho won the league in his first year. Raffa CL in 2nd year. Pep guardiola made barca kings after rikcard. im afraid that taking time to implement etc are excuses. i hate to say this.but i think that we will be a mid table team for a while. i cant see any change happening. fine arsenal lost 8-2 to manu but Liverpool CANNOT lose 3-0 to westbrom. CANNOT. im still optimistic and trying to be. but i think that if it takes time to make teams champions, then who were raffa guardiola and mourinho? it doesnt happen overnight? it did with mourinho raffa and guardiola. im still behind the team but if we finish 6th or lower then i wont see us improving in the next couple of years. ill have to face the fact that we're a mid table team. though, I'd still be happy to see my team play :)
Pakop

Rafa won the CL in his first season. I think people underestimate how good we were under him. 6 seasons we qualified for champions league every season. Got to the final twice so in europe we were a force and were feared. League apart from first season (5th) and last season (7th) we finished really high (2nd 3rd and 4th). Domestically although we did win the FA cup and got to the final of the carling cup we weren't really a cup team which is not a bad thing. If hicks and Gillette were not the owners rafa would probably still be the coach, and we would have quality players. Fair enough things change and rafa went. But ever since we've been kicking ourselves asking why we've dropped so far down.

John Henry and Tom Werner do want the best for this club. But they truly have very little knowledge about how football works. They are probably regretting their investment. BR has a mountain to climb and I think he can do well. But I think there's something about lfc, like a ghost that just won't leave.

Oh pull yourself togather. Rafa missed out on champions league in his first year if you're only goin by the league. Mourinho had the spending power of the rest of the league combined and guardiola inherited a team of at least 3 of the 5 best footballers in the world.
if a newcastle fan said to me this time 2 seasons ago that they would be challenging for the champions league i'd have laughed at them.
believe in rodgers.
believe in the players.
believe in liverpool.
things take time. i'm not even bothered to pick out examples but believe me there are many.
derryred

18 Aug 2012 22:46:40
Liverpool need a striker
A leader, a winger, a manager, an organised defence, a work ethic, passing ability so so pathetically poor.
No excuses for this start.
Gerrard Lucas obviously will need some time to resemble footballers again.
Allen lightweight kid, defenders all over the place.
Suarez same as last season finishing dreadful something like 11 goals in 34 league games awful, carroll on the bench to come on and miss a sitter groan.

Downing and so many passengers in a mid table team that won't fight with this manager, and will try to out class opposition failing miserably.

Liverpool are horserubbish right now, we will not sink any lower, the fight back starts now no more excuses. This team is not new it's old the style is the same they need to practice and improve or be booed at home like the houllier years. Their meekness was clear from minute 1 we can not afford another season of underachievement and laxness from this team.

Positives ,reina, Johnson leading the play but simple set ups with selfish Suarez and green borini not helping him.

18 Aug 2012 22:45:23
The Mistake BR making is not in Highlight yet. Allen £15m Why Not Musa Damble of Fulham less then £15m can done the deal. Krasic been sold £7m we know how our Wings is. why miss good chance ?

hhh

18 Aug 2012 22:44:24
Hansen not happy at all on MOTD. We desperately need a goal scorer.

-Shane.

18 Aug 2012 22:43:57
I can see it now. we thought we had a great coach winning all those 1-0 games at swansea. now that he left swansea they wins 5-0, maybe he only held swansea back. maybe he not so good after all.

18 Aug 2012 22:43:05
I'm a fan of Hansen but he's just said that the second penalty was "definitely a penalty all day long"
I'm sorry but there is no way that should be a penalty.
At the very most it should have been an indirect free kick although they never seem to give indirect free kicks inside the box anymore, I don't know why

Chris in Tamworth

Perhaps Alan Hansen isn't as biased as your good self Chris?

Disney!

Chris I am red all day but it was a pen, should have hoofed it.
Red Derry

Rubbish. It was clearly a penalty. Skrtel delayed too long and kicked the players legs away instead of the ball. that's not obstruction it's a foul. We've had plenty of decisions go against us by refs but he got that one spot on.

cozinoz

18 Aug 2012 22:42:32
After reading some of the comments, i dont believe we have the best fans in the world anymore.

18 Aug 2012 22:41:08
Just imagine what Manchester City is going to do to us.

18 Aug 2012 22:38:22
Hello......was Gerrard playing today?!
Maybe the transfer window still gives us hope!!!!!!
Get rid and play a midfield trio of Adam Allen and Henderson with Suarez Carroll and Downing up top!!
Have a go if you like but today was just like last season!!

18 Aug 2012 22:37:52
Watching todays game, i think we'll do fine, just give us time, we made so many chances are worked well at times in BR's strategy. If suarez can improve his finishing and we sign a striker and midfielder, this could still be our season. thoughts?

18 aug 2012 22:37:18
where was the pressing? we closed them down everytime they got the ball but then didn't apply any pressure to force then to pass it.

when closed the gap then waited for them to pass it in their own time.

we should have had a 3-0 lead a half time. damn u suarez, he is our symbol for hope and curse at the same time.

and who agree's sterling should have been on that bench instead of cole.

we have no flair, pace or any kind of attacking threat on the bench what so ever.

dempsey, sahin, gameiro... wanted

owners need to put up or shut up, i realize that they have given an enormous amount of transfer support so far but they need to trust in their man and back him.

those three that i mentioned would cost £22m

sell adam and carroll and that should bring us £23m

18 Aug 2012 22:35:57
Ok, a touch of realism here. Getting beat 3-0 can never be glossed over. Liverpool are a top club! Not a Wigan or a Norwich ( with respect). We are supposedly a team challeging for a top 4 spot. These are the facts.Now you will get fans on here and even some eds with the party line of "support the team and the players" but surely getting so heavily beat after much optimism during the close season with the signing of new players and manager is not a great start. We have 3 of the hardest home games coming up and by todays standard an extremely hard away game. What happens if we fail to win after the first 5 games? The knives will be out for Bredan and probably more so for John Henry and Co, after all, Bredan was there choice, and that is only fair. If you are ready to wield the axe and become the executioner then it is only expected to put your own neck on the block when your own man fails. A bit early for an obituary? I really hope so, but i am worried about getting of to a poor start and, of course, failing to score after numerous glorious chances. Not a great start, even if we were a Wigan or Norwich (with respect).

The Irish Rover

Irish Rover,
Fixture lists my arse with all due respect.
I remember looking at our last 15 games and counting the points - what a lesson I finally learnt after all these yrs - one game at a time lad.
Your 'postulation' ( it's a fav word on here now) is negative to say the least. A little optimism pls my Irish friend - glass half empty ?
Red Derry.

18 Aug 2012 22:34:45
Very poor start to the season, nothing changed since last season, cant finish. Downing is woeful, Borini was lost by the occasion (i hope), Allen busy, Suarez done everything except score but Gerrard has to be dropped, he has not been at his best for a long time now not the driving force he should be, not the leader he was.

18 Aug 2012 22:31:13
Will agger only get one match suspension like doni as it wasnt vicious {Ed002's Note - Most likely.}

18 Aug 2012 22:29:57
after that i still think we need aleast 2 top class striker
2 top class wingers
then i might be able to dream again!
qwerty

18 Aug 2012 22:13:04
Hey fellow reds I know today wasnt the perfect start we all hoped for... I know this sounds like a repeat of last season but we were very unlucky it was a very strange game and if this happened mid-season and we were doing well we wudn mind as much.

Im the same as all you supporters and had a real positive mind set going into this campaign.. Look we have Hearts on thur nite which I tink a competitive before City is just what we need and no doubt we will raise our game which we always do against the big teams plus its a home game which I tink is a big bonus....

And lets face it we know Rodgers isnt a naive man this might be a wake up call for him to realise that we still need a goalscorer hopefully we will add dempsey before the window closes...

Finally just my own personal view I tink gerrard needs to play in the front three much more affective then Downing...

Would like to get a few fans views on what they tink? and a big thanks to all the eds as the make this site possible

Dub_Red YNWA

I saw the game. It was a shambles. The excuse of "10 men, chasing the game" that will be trotted out is frankly drivel. If we have any aims whatsoever of finishing in the top four then we should be able to take a point, away from home, at a team like West Brom with 10 men. That was an absolute disgrace and Gerrard looked and played like a pensioner. A couple put a good shift in, the remainder should have been take to the car park and shot to put us out if our misery. It was disgusting, RED LENIN.

18 Aug 2012 22:12:36
Positives: Allen Looked Good
Suarez made lots of chances
We looked better on the ball than last season
More entertaining based on passing at least
Negatives:
Downing was terrible
Poor defending at times
Pretty sure we get fined for getting equilavent of 6 yellow cards in one match
Finishing looked poor
i could go on but i cba but its only the 1st game however terrible it was

Allen not looking good he lost the ball many time and that's put pressure on defence. when u lost 3-0 don't find any positive .

Downing looked bad, but he looked better than last season.
Welsh_Kopite

Allen was average and only looked good compared to the absolutely woeful performances of the other players.
Suarez is dreadful at finishing.
Our passing was horrendous, and people seem to think we played like Stoke last year; we didn't, we still played attractive, passing football- the idea that Rodgers is competely transforming our style as if we were some sort of Sam Allardyce team is nonsense.

We looked better on the ball than last season
=====================

We were far better with the ball last year , than in todays game .. we were awful today.
But its one game, there is another 37 and I am sure we will get better

Roy

18 Aug 2012 22:10:03
City
Arsenal
Sunderland
United
Im worried by that fixture list on todays performance We could quite easily lose our 1st 5 games which would destroy confidence and moral and quite easily lead to rodgers demise not good

18 Aug 2012 22:09:53
I don't care for hard luck stories we were crap no 2 ways about it but i tell you BR won't stand for it and by the way what is it with players who are lucky to play for us but blow it everytime i am sick of it and they don't deserve to wear the red of my club

18 Aug 2012 22:06:46
Brendan Rogers is a superb manager.
Liverpool are a great team and will win the league.
This hashish is wonderful.

Redleaf

18 Aug 2012 22:05:54
Ed and fellow reds. Just watched the match and must admit I was expecting a worse performance from us given the comments on here.
Yes it was a very bad day at the office in terms of score and could have done with a win going into the next few fixtures. I though we played ok at times and if Suarez had taken his three fairly easy chances it would have been a different game. The trouble we had today was Lucas lack of fitness showed, stevie and a poor game, which is two of our three midfield. It is hard to control games when your midfield are no at the races, although I thought Alan was outstanding.
Add that to the fact that the concentration of our defence for the two pens was disgusting and I can see how we got beat.
Remember this is a work in progress and like it or not there will be good days and bad days.
I still believe, as I did last season, that we need an out and out striker who knows where the net is.
Hopefully we will get one before the end of the window.
Andy the red

18 Aug 2012 22:03:48
why wasnt enrique playing is he injured?

He not even in bench any idea why eds anyone please.

Slight knock

18 Aug 2012 22:02:15
Anyone slating Rodgers already is dillusional. Yeah it was a poor performance and result, but success doesnt happen overnight. Give him time and it will pay off. You can't just sack a manager after 1 game?! It's insanity.

KGB1892

U not lost to city by 3-0 the religation worried team beat u

I agree you cant sack a manager after one game but maybe its true he isnt that good

And how much time do you reckon he needs, if you want us to be positive give us a timeline, as people on here keep saying it`s been 22 years, i`m 44 and i want to see a great team before i die, and i`m hoping to live till 100 !

18 Aug 2012 22:00:44
Dempsey will sign for £5-6m...

Very clever business from Liverpool here...

1. Dempsey last year of contract.
2. Unsettle Dempsey.
3. Dempsey wants out.
4. Liverpool deny interest.
5. Liverpool pick up Dempsey on the cheap.

Or Maybe Arsenal pick Dempsey on the cheap.
Roy

18 Aug 2012 21:59:07
How did everyone do in their fantasy football? 31 points with 4 big players to play.. Pretty happy with that 85th in the Liverpool rumour league boom

I took both Petric and Dyer out of my team yeaturday and they both scored 2 Im gutted. 18 points with 7 players still to play so I suppose it could be worse. Need Lambert to score against City (more hope than expectation) to asure me I didnt make a mistake replacing Petric with him.

Up in 27th and have 3 Chelsea and 3 Citeh players left, good start..

CJHred

Agger cost me. At 20 pts

18 Aug 2012 21:54:34
I'm sure when Brendan Rodgers walked into Liverpool he was as appauled as we are at the amount of average players we have at our club. I took my son to Melwood to watch training last week and we watched from the roof of my car a practice match on a small pitch of one touch football. It was clear bar a handful of players it will be difficult to teach an old dog new tricks, and a lot of players do not have the mental ability to play this way.

I am happy br will get us playing good football but the size of the task is quite clear. The only positive besides Joe Allen today that hopefully br had a little glimpse of how shocking Stewart downing is. He played this bad all last season and has started in the same vain. He is the most average player I have ever seen, no work rate. Terrible crossed. Carries absolutely no goal threat and successfully makes the wrong decision every time he has the football. Eds please tell me there is light at the end of the tunnel. Sahin are we close or are we letting another one slip through the net..
Dave

Joe allen is good but other teams got players for half his price and or twice as good

18 Aug 2012 21:58:43
Best player pre-season was Shelvey by a mile.......Why was he sat on the bench?

I will like to add Raheem too

Because if the games he has played well in were PL games he would've been sent off 3x v Bayer and 2x v Roma and torronto.

Aftab

18 Aug 2012 21:56:10
Eds.lots of rumours the Dempsey deal is dead sahin more likely to choose aresnal what your take on it have we any more targets lined up...great site {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

18 Aug 2012 21:54:33
RIP Tiki Taka football and amen to that!

Next Mgr Please!

Try reading a book called Barca - the making of a great team by Graham Hunter. It didn't just happen over night you know. You might learn something - patience for example
Victor

WOW! What is wrong with supporters these days....It is one game....Get a grip!

RyanWhittinton&hisCat

18 Aug 2012 21:52:42
Not going to knock Brendan - we all know he had a big job on his hands when he came in, and now we can all see why.... It's the same reason Kenny had a big job, and the same reason Woy had a big job, the one consistent factor in across each of the past 3 dismal seasons - the players.
Big time Charlies, who obviously look good on the training ground, but when faced with hungry opposition, sh1t their pants and give up. How many times over the past 3 seasons have we seen Liverpool teams fold away from home to teams who show a bit of aggression ?. West Ham, Birmingham, Fulham, WBA, Swansea, ...
It doesn't matter who the manager is (which was proven by Woy beating us twice with WBA teams - and Steve Clarke & Kevin Keen turning us over today), the players are weak - weak in body and weak in mind.
And can we please stop banging on about the 'top-class' defence we have - they've been turned over enough times by Championship players for us to know that describing them as top class is utter ballax.
Good luck Brendan - with that shower of not-fit-to-wear-the-shirt sh1te at your disposal, you're gonna need it...

I completely agree. Downing was normal crap self, Johnson was woeful and gerard was a disgrace.
I do genuinely like Rodgers, I like how he thinks and his style of play. Just hope we can capture his dream for Liverpool.

Alonso's beard

18 Aug 2012 21:51:27
well ive said it since rodgers was appointed manager that he isnt good enough to manage a club like liverpool!! today has proved it that we are going to be like previous seasons if not worse with him in charge. 3-0 against a team like west brom is a joke, i love liverpool and travelled to the game today and 2nd half they were a shambles, yes we were down to 10 men but i expect a bit more passion from the players.. i hate to say it cos he been brilliant for liverpool over years but carragher isnt good enough anymore, borini new signing looked poor, joe allen did ok but in general the whole team looked poor and same as last season cant take goalscoring opportunities that they get. man city next at anfield and if west brom can get 3 how many will city get if we play like we did today.. ill be at anfield supporting the team like i always do cos i travel both home and away for league games and if we lose we lose but lets lose showing effort and passion. we lacked both today.

18 Aug 2012 21:49:39
Eds ,fellow reds watching the game now ,can't see what BR is complaining about both fouls in the box PENALTY simple .cheers psv

Ye maybe a penalty with slight contact but didn warrent a sending off I know last man and all that but sometimes common sense needs to prevail...

Dub_Red YNWA

18 Aug 2012 21:46:19
as a liverpool fan i half to say i am so angry we r no wer near good enough to challange united they really r the kings of england and always will b in my eyes. hope we finish in the top 8 this year but cant c it. g red

And which utd is this, carlisle,southend,oxford or peterborough !

If united are the kings of england and always will be in your eyes they you need to get em tested as this if the lfc rumours page :P

In ur eyes..is that both eyes or just have of them..sry half...go support them then

atlfc70

Always will be?
Delusional.
When their aging midfield falls apart, purple nose retires, debt cripples them, and Howard Webb gets a new sugar daddy they'll be further down the table than we were last season they'll be a Leeds/Blackburn/Rangers.

- Logic

18 Aug 2012 21:37:25
i wouldnt say it was the ideal start to the new season but it could have gone much worse, atleast arsenal and spurs didnt take 3 points!

for some reason it looked as tho our 2 centre backs where wide open at times! the penalties were very unlucky, you win some you loose some!

i think downing and carroll need to be replaced.

downing just cant seem to cut it in the lfc shirt and unfortunately for carroll we arnt playing football which benefits his attributes!

still tho, it was only the first game, new manager, new system!
give it time, have some faith

LiamBarr1993

18 Aug 2012 21:36:42
Well done BR or should we say DH!!

On today's performance we will be crap and there is no hope of top 4 spot? Good work DH for not using Carrol. Don't fit into your style is crap. You have no style cause the team is crap. Joe Cole? You got to be kidding. We are not Barcelona and we don't need to play rubbishe football like them with the footballers we have. When we start to pay for quality players over 30+ mil then DH you can call yourself and your rubbishe team Barcelona

Pissed off!!

Disgracefull post dear me?

Pathetic not team ur post

Ok I'll admit I'm confused who's DH? Awful post m8t it depresses me that the Fans of other teams will come on here and see what's been written! They call us supporters for a reason you know! Ged.

You my friend are the DH
Grow up support your team or FO

Get a grip! One game, three points lost. Give it time, Rodgers is not a magician. We need to give him and the players our support next week despite all our disappointments. Maybe we'll have a goal scorer by then, if if we can get some funds by selling our misfiring £35m striker.
Victor
Victor

18 Aug 2012 21:36:16
hearing a lot of people calling br and bout state of team today although it was very dissapointing today, players have to take some responsibility for some poor individual performances there was some good in it allen looked good and pepe looked more like himself and this isnt sour grapes but sending off and pens turned game as for 40 minutes we were in control but doesnt excuse some performances/attitudes after and 1st goal well reina and jones in goal together wouldnt of stopped it.truth is we r not as good as we"d like and br has inherited majority of team and players he"s brought in look good but it will take time after xmas you will be able to see how team is shaping with br style of play and then pass judgement on weather we going right way and for those who say we dont have time what r the options sack br after 1 game and then who next and next and next facts r we dont have money to buy a team of stars instantly wake up and have faith it will take time for br to get the team he wants and time for players to get used to playing in this way i for 1 dont expect 4th place as much as i want us to get it but its just bout being realistic and br is now laying the foundations for coming years of lfc returning back to being a dominant force it will happen cmon red men

18 Aug 2012 21:32:10
rome was not built in a day believe in this manager believe in this team things take time some of you so called supporters honestly we got so much to look forward to

Yeah 22 years and counting

At least it was built..

Liverpool is not the Rome . the name still no 3rd supportive club in the world.

18 Aug 2012 21:31:11
I think some supporters need to calm down and keep there frustrations to themselves. Negative comments this early in the season is only going to increase the pressure on the players!
Yes, some players under performed today at west brom, but it's not like they were trying to have a bad game. Naming players is totally wrong and we should trust the manager to sort them out.
Supporters should be there to support not criticise! Leave that to the press and sly sports!
Players will not perform at their best if we create pressure by slating them, back off and have faith.

Northern red

There's a difference between a supporter and a fan boy

Alonso's beard

18 Aug 2012 21:28:39
IMO Liverpool should go all out for Llorente. He would solve a whole lot of problems. He is fluid, big and strong and a hell of a finisher. I feel we need a bit more height up front, we seem to be amassing the shortest attack force in the PL! The defeat might make the owners dip their hands in their pockets for someone who is a proven finisher.

Just my humble opinion.

Nick

Falcao would be my choice but he is too expensive.
Skurks

18 Aug 2012 21:21:40
It was brendans first game in charge today.
Lets not forget you learn twice as much from a defeat than you do a win.

Lessons learnt:

Don't mess with the defence. Play robinson on the left if need be. Why else is he in the team.

Carra is finished.

Joe cole is finished.

Gerrard should not be an automatic start.
Only when 100% fit.

We need Dempsey, sahin and any others to hurry up and sign.

There where some strange results today, as there is at the start of every season.
Let's not take it like it's the end of the world.

MIKEY

Agree with all of these. And would add-

- Borini is a striker, Suarez is a forward
- Agger and Sktrel need to spend some time in sprinting practice

No ur wrong

Forget Dempsey. We need sahin plus a player that could be the difference between finishing 6th and 3rd. In my opinion that player could be iker Munian.

AGREEE

was thinking the same time

don't play johnson out of position he is a RB for a reason. he does things that kelly can't do.

and coates needs to be thrown into the deep end (which won't faze him because he is 6.5 ffs). carra only has this season on his contract and Coates could do with the experience.

cole over sterling and pacheco had me baffled especially after he didn't play against leverkusen

its clear we need dempsey now i think we will move quickly to get him as well as one or two more. as well as moving adam and carroll sooner.

we need three players realistically

dempsey, sahin and player that we can DEPEND on for when suarez misfires. (KEVIN GAMEIRO) who is available for around 17-19m euros.

To "no ur wrong":
Very compelling arguement. Love how you thoroughly tore apart the points made by the original poster.

18 Aug 2012 21:16:43
Let's just look forward to the next game

*next season

I agree Big Time . The season is long and we will have to be patient and accept whatever points we get from our August & September games .

TheScarf

Next manager

Raffa's return :)

18 Aug 2012 21:13:55
Thought joe Allen was class today, went about his buisness very impressively, great passing and work rate, really gave it his all while Lucas and stevie faltered. Also the performance was pretty desent, we dominated 1st half, they scored a screamer but the turning point was agger sending off, why did he have to bring him down, better to let him score and give us the chance to fight back. Either way game was over then, if luis had the finishing of a filthy Manc striker we would be laughing all the way to Europe. As it is it's clear we need another striker while Suarez should be given free reign to create.

I also think we need a proven goal scorer and play Luis behind him and he will cause havock. The lad wouldn't hit a barn door.

Frog

The difference between liverpool and utd is that when utd go man down to a team like west brom, they still have the class to comeback and win, liverpool has no class

18 Aug 2012 21:11:09
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden star (sky)
And the sweet silver song of a lark

This next few months will be difficult, but let's stick together and ride it out! YNWA

We've been reading this every week for two years .how much longer .

As long as it takes lad

18 Aug 2012 21:05:12
We have needed an injection of quality hungry pacey players for years, and not one manger apart from Rafa (I'm not a Rafa fan, but he sure did try to land some truly amazing players) has regularly tried to sign players of world class ability, but he was blocked by small thinking club admins like Parry, (e.g. Ronaldo, Silva & Aguero to name a few), and regardless of FSG's good intentions of seeing us pay our own way, we will never be competitive against the top teams while the current team is so lacking in intelligence, determination, pace and creativity

I know Kenny blew a wad last season and still couldn't make us competitive, but he signed a whole slew of slow uncreative players apart from Suarez, although he isn't the prolific striker we have be crying out for either.

FSG must admit that mistakes were made, they are going to have to dig deep once more to fix the huge problems that still remain unaddressed in the squad. They have to accept that this current Liverpool team cannot attain success and cannot compete and therefore their own goal of self sustainability can never be achieved while this Liverpool squad is so thin on true quality. Trying to improve frugally now is pointless, and asking any manager to try maintain stability never mind gain success with this bunch of slow uncreative players is just the aspirations of hopeless dreamers.

Jed

18 Aug 2012 21:04:32
Come on guys, Think of it like this: The start of the season is next week, and every other team in the premier league has a game in hand. Now we can go in with a little less optimism, knowing that we have to play city to make that one less game advantage count. Simples.

Piledriver

18 Aug 2012 21:04:29
my first reaction is one of disappointment,we could really have done with a winning start,but we must pick ourselves up and move on ,its not our first loss and wont be our last,I agree with some of the posts stating that we need a quality striker ,oh for a robbie fowler........

Errr, actually it was our first loss, sadly it was our first game, we will lose quite a few more and struggle to make the system work this season because we are in 'transition' and we need the players too. BR said he would make signings to add to the squad and to replace outgoings, if this is correct I would expect 2-3 more arrivals plus replacements for Adam and Carroll. Give it fellow reds, next season is when we have to judge the changes

18 Aug 2012 20:56:16
Losing the first away game of the season 3-0 might not be a bad thing for the squad.... we'll see if they're a team now and will they come together.

18 Aug 2012 20:23:42
that result really hurt today, knocked the wind out of me at work listening to it on the radio thinking just how is this happening but...

we must remain positive, it's 1 game, it certainly won't be the only game we lose this season but with 10 men, 2 new players on the pitch it became very difficult chasing a game,

spurs have lost, gunners drawn, so the teams we want to get closer to are still sitting right next to us, so we have to go from there,

we are LFC and we will suceed, we can't expect miracles in 1 season, or indeed within the first few weeks of the season,

i am going to the city game next week and despite the last few seasons and...today i can NOT wait, the buzz about getting up to anfield never goes away,

lets drop the BS and get behind a team who needs us, we all have to change to make this work that's for sure, new manager, new system, new players, fresh support without the negativity or this simply won't work because when the fans start showing they don't like a manager it's not long until bye bye time !!

18 Aug 2012 20:46:57
If Liverpool put all their players names in a hat with the names of all the Villa and WBA players then each picked their squad randomly from it, would Liverpool finish any lower than they will now?

Plus it's the only way you'll get Caroll and Downing off the wage bill lol

Downing and Carroll would be the first out the hat with my luck.
Come the end of the season you will have your answer.
We will of course finish higher than villa and WBA.

MIKEY

18 Aug 2012 20:40:50
111 points left to play for. We dropped about 2.5% of all points.

Andy, Allen and Reina put in good shifts.

I've never seen Gerrard have such a poor game but it's rare he has a bad showing.

No players were injured except for Cole (who I don't rate) were injured.

There is plenty of room to improve but there are many positives from today.

- Logic

Like your optimism Logic wish most fans were like it.
It's embarrassing how some fans can ask for BR to be sacked already...
Skurks

Like your thinking but sadly things don't work like that, if you drop 3 points against west brom, you're going to drop more - as much as I would like to think we'll get 111 and the other 97.5% of points haha

18 Aug 2012 20:38:39
rogers out we needed moyes not the best butproven plus we could get baines and fellaini on the cheap i also would like to say allen was brilliant best player on the park 15 million more like 30

Rodgers out should not have been appointed poor choice i'd say. tom ynwa.

I needed a laugh after reading these post-match comments today and you sir have provided me with a broken rib thank you

NextGenRed

Never, Everton are better than Liverpool

This rodgers guy is totally inept poor appointment get him out before its to late we should have got van gaal here not this clown rodgers.from a very disgruntled reds fan. TONYLFC4LIFE

18 Aug 2012 20:38:30
I want Rafa back....

Yes he made mistakes and Alonso was one. Xibi is great and if Rafa can find another xabi than we are happy. But we............

Not my call.....

Dublad

18 Aug 2012 20:35:54
Latest I'm hearing is that Sahin deal is looking like it could be still on (Arsenal are looking at another replacement for Song, can't say much too yet). Word is we want three more players, Dempsey is a player we will only see some sort of offer for once Adam leaves (next week). We will only try for Walcott once Carroll leaves. You can call my knowledge "hollow" all you like, but these deals are in place, I'm doing a degree in journalism and have some legitimate sources. You'll see that I was right by the end of the month.
DJC {Ed002's Note - Wanyama is being looked at by Arsenal. It is not particularly a secret.}

Surely 15m for Song gives Arsenal the funds and motivation to get Mvila?

Ben

18 Aug 2012 20:34:05
Well that was expected not 3-0 thought, boys will get used to the new style and will get better, glad it was not a cup game, we should judge the manager after 10 games.

abbs

18 Aug 2012 20:27:41
Oh god people, stop ur crying already.....it was clear to see what our problem was last season.....scoring goals! And we haven't solved the problem! All we need to do is go and buy a goalscorer ..... Simple facts of football..... Every top team has a goalscorer..... We don't so therefore we ain't a top team anymore......also Give Rodgers a chance, stop wanting success straight away, it takes time to build what u want to achieve....Its getting embarrassing to be a Liverpool fan listening to all the cry babies go on and on about us losing one game! Grow up and get behind the team or go support someone else

Andy k

Simple as that ! alright mate. i`ll sleep well now, why on earth was i worrying !

Well thanks for that .if everyone could see last year that we needed a top goal scorer . Why the fock cant BR and fsg .cheers psv

Because someone needs to buy our 35M striker first. Many mistakes were made over the last few seasons, trying to rectify them is going to take time, unfortunately.

18 Aug 2012 20:24:36
I wrote a rubbish post a little while back, analysing the mess that was today's game. In reality though I shouldn't have. It was a waste of my time and I don't know why I felt compelled to do it. We had a shocking day, full stop. These things happen yes, but in reality things could go badly wrong this season. I've admitted that for the first time today. I have faith that it won't but understand from a realistic perspective it could.

I like BR's vision, he talks sense and seems a reasonable and smart man. But he's not the one playing, the players are. In reality we've had such a turbulent few years and I bet they don't know whether they're man marking or zonal. Whether they should press or sit, when to overlap and when to stay etc etc. We've had so many managers, but in reality not one has known how to tactically set up a team to win a game, since Rafa. Now I know they're professionals and get paid ridiculous sums, but to keep up with the management changes and multiple styles must be a little tough surely?

Yes BR is buying some players to fit his style, but he's really got to consider what he already has. I suppose Carroll was never going to fit, but it seems frustrating to put a striker whose finally hitting form or the bench and let him rot. I advocated selling Carroll before and I'm sure he'll still go, but today WBA had a tough defence. Olsen's a rock, Ridgewell is strong and both Borini and Downing offered no penetration. Carroll central, with Suarez left and probably Borini right would have at least given the defenders something to worry about.

The ball kept getting slowly, but not progressively played up, then it was lost, time and time again! This meant that Johnson and Kelly who'd pressed on we're constantly caught out of position. Carroll may just have helped and releived the pressure on Lucas. He covers so excelletly normally, but has been pushed hard in pre season and perhaps isn't ready just yet, which is completely understandable. Allen passes well, but doesn't bite hard and may get muscled out next week against Yaya 'the tank' Toure. We should be able to control games, but need to work as a team and not 11 individuals, see Suarez for details.

I understand that patience is required, but will modern fans really give that? Calls of Rafa in and BR out have unbelievably and quite incredibly already happened. BR'a got a vision much like AVB's that will take time, but if we finish low this season will he have the money and the players remaining to see it through? Football is a tough sport and the EPL a competitive league, so it won't be easy but win, lose or draw as supporters we must go on believing. It's bloody tough to do at times, but we're supporters for a reason and come what may we probably all will be.

Papa G

Fair post! What people need to remember is that its the premier league and theres no easy game or a rite to win.

Spot on, the full backs putting presure on the ball is why this "system" doesn't work for me. Go forward, that's great, but when you don't have the ball don't leave a huge hole behind you, that for me was why our CBs looked so abysmal today.

Rodgers has so much more resource here than he's ever had, I really want him to realise that means he can play more than one way.

Sorry what was that, i fell asleep halfway through the post

18 Aug 2012 20:21:57
Well with all the negativity here just think in his first season with swansea rodgers and his team finished 6th in the championship and the second season finished 11th in the premeirship without spending much cash
This rebuilding will take time so please support the club and the manager not only in wins but more so in losses
HARSH YNWA

6-11th thats sounds about our level

18 Aug 2012 20:21:26
To call for the managers head after his first league match is one thing but to call for Gerrard's head after one poor game is absurd. Did no one watch the Euros - England's stand out performer. Did no one see him haul us back into the Champions League final - a revelation. Quality does not desert you overnight now pipe down.

Thanks, a very frustrated

RedsMatt

That final was seven years ago mate

Yes but the past is where lfc fans live.

18 Aug 2012 20:20:56
After today's display I definitely think the owners should be loaning andy carol out rather than sale, just incase things go way off track and we need to change manager in 6 months after today display it has to be looked at. This is not me calling for BR head in no way, but if it does come to we getting beat by score lines like this surely it could be a possibility we have to change and andy carol will become a big player in another team. Rather loan than lose the money we are doing.

18 Aug 2012 20:20:19
Today was a consequence of the Euros, Olympics and late deals in the transfer market. We've had no time for the first choice players to gel and we have still to bring 2 first team players in and move 3 or 4 out.
The fixtures have been unkind to us so we are in for a tough start. Judge at Christmas and not before as there are still transfers to be done.

Brendon Rodgers is our manager, give him a chance and take a look at our senior players today, they did not step up to the plate.

An earlier poster quoted Arsenal's recovery last year after a terrible start.
Keep the faith.
ALB.

18 Aug 2012 20:19:07
Not going to slate the team yet, still early in the season but I am just utterly disappointed.
Andrew

18 Aug 2012 20:17:27
Its ok saying its only the first game,come on,its west brom,not blaming the manager,hasn't put a foot wrong since getting the position,its the players,downing,got talent to beat players,but scared of his talent,stevie g,lets the game pass him by these day,starting like he finished last season,watch him off the ball,or if he loses the ball,may open your eyes,carra,past his best a season or two ago,these men apart from downing,have put the bodies on the line for liverpool over and over again,but that shouldn't make you a first team player,if your not up for it,you dont play,simple...

18 Aug 2012 20:12:37
What a complete person you are basing your comment on one performance..why don't you go and support the mancs if you can't stand losing..get real and judge BR at the end of the season when he's had a chance to put his stamp on the team.....one result does not define a season

Give the go and support the mancs nonsense a rest will you. If you've paid £39 to go and watch your team your entitled to vent an opinion whether it be positive or negative.

Ozone

Sorry about your £39, Ozone, but what purpose does venting your negative opinion serve? There are a whole bunch of people here who want to get rid of a good young manager with ambition and a vision for the future because he has lost one game. That is simply narrow minded and won't help anyone at all. It is counter productive. When similar accusations were being levelled against a certain current premiership manager in the late eighties Kenny Dalglish felt the need to stand up and defend that manager for footballing reasons. Brendan Rogers needs that same support. Not from Kenny, from us.

Ozone you are so right,if you pay your money you are entitled to your opinion.
Are we supposed to ignore the performance and spout on about how great we once were.
If you go out for a meal and it is crap you are right to complain,if you dont go out and pay for the meal who the hell is going to bother listening to your complaint.

Derek

18 Aug 2012 20:11:49
The way things are looking, I feel sorry for Assaldi!

If he doesn't get off to a blinder, the barrage of abuse he will get will be unreal!

GOOD LUCK SON! You gonna need it!

K.Bennett

Got a friend who is dutch and he said the lad is a great player, so hopefully he'll be fine

18 Aug 2012 20:09:03
The referee and our players were diabolical today. The thing what really cheesed me off though, was when we were 2-0 down and the camera was on the subs bench with Adam, Carroll and Shelvey laughing their censored off. Admittedly not in the Charles Itandje league but still censored me off. Oh well only going to get 111 points this season . jd

18 Aug 2012 20:08:13
Hi Eds n Reds

a lot on here sayin splash the cash on a striker or winger...WE DONT HAVE SPLASH THE CASH MONEY..we r run by AMERICANS..what AMERICAN has ever changed a PL team with money...let me think....NONE...get used to sell to buy..YANKS LIKE MAKIN MONEY NOT LOSIN IT..we cant get the big names cause we dont have CL football..let me think..city did...why MONEY..it talks..like or not..we have none so dont expect miracles

atlfc70

The "Yonks" you criticise so freely are the ones who saved us from administration. If they had not, we might be in the position that Rangers are in in Scotland. (Google it if you're that ignorant) So they want to make money? What, you don't?! Do you suppose that they have a masterplan of making money by losing? Exactly how would that work, genius? Does thinking hurt?

Here no name muppet

save us yes..but what has changed..sacrifice to get a slice...chelsea came into money..what happened..won the league for the first time in years..city came into money..what happened..won the league for the first time in years..am i missing sometin here..MONEY TALKS LIKE IT OR NOT..

atlfc70

This guy says the yonks want to make money but did u ever hear the term. 'speculate to accumulate' well fsg aint got the cash and if they have they dont want to spend,as i said before and i will say it again,were going nowhere with these lads,if we have bad season this year they get out with as little money lost as possible.ray

Considering you lot spent 90m pounds last summer i wouldnt say you have no money, maybe if liverpool had any sense you wouldnt have spent 35m on a donkey like carroll, or have even touched adam, henderson, downing...the list goes on and on, dont act like your in the same situation as everton

18 Aug 2012 20:07:58
Henry sacked a Legend and replaced him with a modern day "god" with a feet of clay

How ironic and pitiful

Sad time to be a LFC supporter

{Ed006's Note - Why be one then? Keep calm and carry on.}

Ed, gotta correct you mate. Now panic and freak out haha

Why be one then?

If you don't know you'll hardly understand an exlanation, mate!

18 Aug 2012 20:06:58
There are rumours that Liverpool are now a mid table side, with average at best players.

Rumours are, by definition, not the definitive truth. Enough said.

We're not that good

18 Aug 2012 20:04:18
Why would Spurs just take Carroll off of our hands does it fit with his style of play? Surely he is not as disillusioned as Kenny when he bought AC on that fateful day. Get off of Cloud 9 AC is destined for a couple of years warming the Anfield bench.

RedsMatt

Unfortunately I think you are correct. I really can't see anyone paying 16M+ for him. 12M maybe.

Or mayybe, they want carroll because they can recognise that he is a good player..

18 Aug 2012 20:02:48
If we can get points against Wigan, Reading, West Ham, Southampton, Villa and QPR we still have a fair chance of finishing top 14 so chins up boys!

A Toffee? Wrong site mate.

18 Aug 2012 20:01:56
Hi eds and all. IM really gutted we lost again to West Brom. Here is what I think is the Way out of this long standing fall apart:
Gerard is past it. He should put up or hand over the armband.
Downings right foot is useless, therefore not suited to the right wing.
Borini isnt a winger. He needs to swap with Suarez
Our boys not willing to play.
We need to learn to string sharp, short passes among ourselves; in other words, we need to enjoy playing with the ball. Lastly, players shouldnt be played out of position. If rogers wants tiki taka, he needs to start ticking right box with some spanish flair; Michu cost just £3m. Some 10m should get us 3 of his ilk.
Stevenge

18 Aug 2012 20:00:40
Having scanned through a lot of negative posts this evening I'm disappointed that "fans" are so unsure of Brendan's style of football already!

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, while everybody else is entitled to dismiss it... And if these fans harping on about the negatives today are the same praising the team and Brendan after Liverpool beat Gomel, then you cannot have experienced or watched football for longer than a year! We are not going to win every game, nor are we going to play well every game (that includes even the best like Gerrard and Suarez) but us fans can certainly support us every game, and the days in between, because that sort of positive vibe is what enables good fearless football to flourish. Just look at how badly we played when we went three down, and our heads dropped - it could have been 6!

Allen played well today, it is evident Borini has a good touch and is keen to link up, and it is just as clear that Downing isn't fit to wear the shirt, and Brendan doesn't want to have Carroll wear it either!

However, much of Swansea's playing squad isn't as good as ours, and the team in fact were tipped by many to finish bottom last year, so to finish 11th is very impressive, and I am sure Liverpool would take such an over-achievement. There are unlucky scenarios last year that will not happen again this year, and if Suarez starts to score, and two attacking players come in then with Agger staying at the back, then we can build upon the solid core of our playing squad which is easily top 4.

A bit of a ramble, but I just hope you all get behind the team and Brendan's philosophy because we're going to have him for at least a year! So let's give him all our support, because he's in charge of our club - the best in the world.

Jos
YNWA

I'm sorry but we should at least be beating west brom on opening day and DEFINITELY not getting pasted 3-0 being Liverpool Football Club. Fans have a right to say negative things because things are supposed to be getting BETTER slowly not worse, which is what seems to be happening. Real Liverpool fans will not stop supporting but they cannot be blamed for being angry and a little pessimistic. Lets just hope we can bounce back immediately.

Kaylan

Can you explain Rodgers tactics today for me then please? Why play two holding midfielders together? Lucas was like a dare part not knowing what to do with himself. If Enrique's injured, why play a right footed right back at left back? Kelly is 6 foot 1, he's a centre half not a full back, especially not an attacking full back. Where was Borini supposed to be playing? If you play with two holding midfielders sitting deep with the opposition holding a high line, why would you expect centre halfs to take the ball early from Reina? It was a total sham, I've never seen such inept tactics. Rodgers needs to realise that his idea of playing needs pace and we haven't got it. Plus how can you press when you've got fairies like Downing? You could see within the first 10 mins we weren't going to score in a month of Sunday's.

Ozone

18 Aug 2012 19:58:21
king brendan.

LOL

18 Aug 2012 19:57:04
I can see us being on no points and 15 behind the leaders come the Norwich game, we need to totally anialate hearts home and away to try and get some confidence, not looking good though
Jaydee ynwa

Why don't you bet on it then.
derryred

18 Aug 2012 19:55:31
Very inbarrising! Liverpool need more quality up front.
Downing borini assaidi cole? These are players u would see playing for Aston villa or fulham, middle tier teams! U can see Suarez, gerrard an co getting frustrated cuz there's not enough quality in an around them! Liverpool needed a top manager to spend this money 150mill only 23mill of it was good business suarez! imagine what Benitez or redknapp would have bort with that money!

Can't believe how quickly Liverpool have fallen.

Embarrassing*

Fulham are top of the table

Gerrard and Suarez were our worst players

Assaidi hasn't touched a ball in training let alone public and he is already crap

Benitez would have gone and bough Aqualani, Degen, El Zhar, Dossena, Ngog, and then tried to get Barry because his dillusional minset thinks Xabi needed replacing by an older and worse prick

PS We havent won a league title for 22 years, you judging by this have been alive for 15 of them and seem to think we declined quickly.

PPS Grow up

Ben

Allen looked good for first game. Didnt see Suarez scoring a goal only wasting chances with poor finishing....

Can't believe how quickly you're dismissing our players. your a poor fan.
derryred

For today anyway, neither Suarez nor particularly Gerrard covered themselves in glory. SG was abysmal and Suarez missed sitters even Torres could have made.

Dossena scored against the mancs when we beat them 4-1 at old trafford and scored again in the 4-0 thrashing of real madrid, oh how times have changed, wish BR could buy poor players and get results like that !!

Suarez was our best player he just shouldn't be playing as an out-n-out striker hence why he misses a lot of chances but he creates so many on his own and there should without a doubt be more quality around Suarez Gerrard and I would say Lucas

18 Aug 2012 19:54:59
After 6 games in the 2010/11 season

Chelsea won all 6 of them and nobody thinks agaiinst them (Nowhere to be seen come the end of the season)

Day 1 of the 2011/12 season.

Bolton 4 - 0 QPR (Bolton relegated and QPR stay up)

Day 3 of the 2011/12 season.

Manchester United 8 - 2 Arsenal (Man U are 2nd only one place above Arsenal)

It is only 1 game and it is only 3 points; there are still plenty, 111, of them to play for. we only need 65% of that total to be up there fighting for top 4

Ben {Ed006's Note - thanks ben. You have actually cheered me up a little here.}

It cheered myself up and hopefully some other fans :)

Ben

Me too actually

atlfc70

It's not about 1 game it's the way we played. they are much better team then us in the field.

Yes but look at our next games... Compare the first 5 games of any top team and say they lost all of them and still managed to finish high. We got man city, arsenal man united and Sunderland. Sunderland is as good a team as west brom. So the stats do not matter when your not that team. This shouldn't make anyone feel better, stay hungry for success and maybe the likes of downing will finally swim above shore instead of way under it.

Thanks for pointing this all out Ben. Hopefully it will people to chill out a bit

K.Bennett

Great post and hopefully it puts into perspective that one game doesn't make a season. we were actually the better team until aggers dismissal.
derryred

This is just naive, brom slapped us today. No quality or passion from any of our players, Stevie G hasnt been anywhere near as effective the last 2 years as he used to be and suarez's finishing is absolutely useless. Unless we pick ourselves up quickly, our difficult run of fixtures is gonna floor us and wreck the season. Shocking stuff...

Cheered me up as well, we only have another 111 ponts left to lose ;)

Love that Manchester United only finished 2nd last season! Looks pretty far off for you lot right now.

Viva Hernandez

Naive? When Arsenal took the beating to end all beatings did you honestly believe that they would be 3rd? West Brom took advantage of poor defending and rode the suarez cloud of poor shooting.

Viva Hernandez: Why not go troll the Man Utd site and talk about the great signing of RVP and the increase debt, after all you have the glazers, over 1 billion in debt for your club, over 400m in debt for their family and a business in the US which is failing. Over 50 shopping centers they spent over 500m on and now worth 200m, once Ferguson leaves expect the spending to end and the budgetting to begin

Ben

18 Aug 2012 19:54:54
hi eds

thanks for not posting my posts and replies..but letting the mancs post instead..thought this was our page..cheers

atlfc70

{Ed006's Note - your welcome. Check banter and also make sure your not being abusive or it wont get posted.}

Im not being abusive eds..nor will i be

atlfc70 {Ed006's Note - I was just stating mate. Dont worry we post everything that we can.

18 Aug 2012 19:52:57
it was a shocker of a result, must admit. it will take a little time for players to get used to br and his style of play. i love suarez but fear he is not a natural finnisher, hopefully i am wrong. 49 goals in one season in holland so heres hoping. we have to aim for top 4, 70 points, not out of question but huge challange, 20 wins, 10 draws, 8 defeats. a good run in a few of the cups would help also.
man city will cruise pl now that they have won the first one, which is the hardest, as long as toure plays most of the season. when he left for african cup of nations last season they collapsed.
barca or real madrid for ec.
we are so far off those three clubs level its frightening, but we are not trying to compete with them just yet, spurs and arsenal are our main rivals for fourth. we are outsiders for fourth i know but we are liverpool.

B O H

Man city haven't played their first game.

He is going to the African cup of Nations again this year presumably, as is Tiote, Cisse and Ba so Newcastle are screwed.

Ben

Ben, Toon will not lose all 3 of Tiote,BA and Cisse. Only ONE OF SENEGAL OR iVORY COAST can qualify and as Ivory coast are the better team it's likely Toon will only lose Tiote and hang on to Cisse and Ba.

18 Aug 2012 19:44:56
Assessing the season based on the same moronic principles as some of the persons on here:

Liverpool will be relegated.
Spurs will be relegated.
Arsenal will finish about 17th.

The last weekend of the season will see Fulham leading Swansea for the PL title, but only on goal difference. WBA will be in third, two points behind. Can't wait...

Get a grip.
BigBadBen

This is why people like you should start learning how charisma works. It's a ludicrous post, has no point to it and wont make anyone feel better. We are not missing our best player...is that hard to understand. Arsenal played their first game without song and van persie who are huge players for arsenal especially last season. Spurs are missing their nucleus in modric and played a strong Newcastle team. We played west brown with our best first team and got hammered 3:0. Your statement has no premise.

Ha so true.

It was 1-0 when agger got sent off, so he isn't important? And west brown? Who the hell are they?

Actually I think that someone should buy BigBadBen a pint. If you can't see his point don't worry, you might be interested in buying my farm in Glasgow - it's very charismatic, I'm sure you'll love it.By the way, Wes Brown plays for Sunderland, who we were not playing today.

Have that, bigbadben

I've looked up how charisma works. And it doesn't mention wes Brown.
BigBadBen

18 Aug 2012 19:44:47
Wasnt going to post until Monday because I can't stand the dramatic negativity that explodes onto this site every time we lose. We are likely to lose more games this season believe it or not!(as will other teams) its absolutely fine to have an opinion and criticise the team but!( here comes the clich�'s) it's the start of the season, give the guy a chance, there is a very long way to go. Pretty much every team in the BPL have a finisher no matter how good the team is remember wolves an Fletcher? It's critical to have one to kill of games this is blatantly obvious. I think it's essential to bring it clint Dempsey he is a fantastic finisher we clearly need someone like this and BR knows this don't worry guys I'm sure things will get better, they have too! TRUST IS A MUST.

Square tomato

Is it cliche to lose 3:0 to a mediocre team that also had their first game of the season under a new manager. Not to mention with our best squad...

Its impossible for every team to win at any one time, is it not? Some will win some will lose, and how can it be our best squad? The transfer window isn't over yet?!

Square tomato

18 Aug 2012 19:42:02
Hello Eds and fellow kopites,
what is your reaction to the game today ?
I felt Jack robinson should have been played at LB instead of johnson. Anyway its just the 1st game of the season , its still along way to go. We just need to get a pacey Quality RW someone like Walcott or Tello and Dempsey (if Carroll leaves) before the end of the window. Sahin will just be a bonus after watching Allen.
AND MARK MY WORDS IT WILL BE A GOOD SEASON.

What is our reaction, read down the page pal and you will soon find out

18 Aug 2012 19:41:50
Please can the angry of you state the team you would have played and how different it would have been to Rodgers?

Reina? Yes

Johnson? Yes
Skrtle? Yes
Agger? Yes
Kelly? As their is no other options he had to play RB with Johnson LB, Enrique was out

Gerrard? Yes, but who would have seen such a diabolical performance from him coming?
Allen? Possible, maybe it was too early to shift him in, I would have chose Shelvey
Lucas? Yes, ahead of Spearing every day of the week

Suarez? You can't really drop him but his finishing today and when in a Liverpool shirt is garbage, maybe we should change to the Uruguay kit
Borini? Between him and Carroll, taking into account a new signing versus a potential leaver I would have chosen Borini
Downing? No, seeing as Borini was put out wide I would have Carroll in the middle, Borini on the Right and Suarez Left.

So there are only 3 players who I would have possibly changed, and those differences realistically wouldn't have stopped the rubbish defending, harsh refereeeing or our poor finishing, as I wouldn't rate Carroll as a world class finisher.

What are the rest of the forums thoughts on the team? How unfair to criticise Rodgers when it was the players who underperfomed.

Ben

My critisism IS of Rodgers because when we went 1-0 down he brought on Carragher!! Then he brought on Joe Cole!! Thats whats worries more than the team having a bad day.

I had no problem with the team that started, it was the team inbetween the start and finish that was crap

Johnson on the right, Robinson left. Same midfield trio, although I would have subbed Gerrard for Shelvey at half time as he was diabolical today- head was clearly not in the game for whatever reason. Borini middle, not wide as he's a finisher not really a creator, Suarez right as he's a creator not a finisher, and if Alsaidi could play (not sure if he could or not) would have considered
starting him on the left as I think he's more attack-oriented than Downing.

The players played badly, our tactical side looked pear shaped (defending was herendous) and it was a bad day overall. BR has to take that one on the chin, he knew what he was coming in for when he took the job. If this poor form continues then as hodgson and kenny were criticised so should rogers. Not because it's fair but because they miss their targets by a mile.

You would have preffered to have 3 defenders and be cut open constantly and concede 7?

Ben

I would Of picked the exact same team as him.

After Aggers red card I would have put Coates in and Downing out.
At the same time I would have taken Borini out and Carrol in and henderson in and Gerrard out.

Gerrard our just to show him that he is not untouchable and he needs to step up!

The changes should not have been done so late,but right after things fell apart.

Plan B! Didnt look like BR had one if uou ask me.

Anyways, cole is a douch and should never be allowed to wear the red shirt ever.
Hope BR learnt something from this and change before next game, i still believe!
And excited to see this Assaidi guy.

Walk on friends,walk on!

Ynwa {Ed001's Note - why is Cole a douche? He is a nice lad who tries his hardest, hardly a douche! I don't rate him as a player, but I certainly don't think he deserves that.}

Prehaps but i really dont rate him at all as a player. Imho he is rubbish, besides that he talked hazard into choosing chelsea. ( i do not meen he would ever come to ua BUT to try and talk him into one of our biggest rivals is just bad coming from a liverpool player. Yes yes, he played for chelsea but he is NOW a lfc player. ) and right when i understands that he isnt going to be sold cos he sucks he turns around and talks about second chances,show all he got and he want to do right by liverpool and so on. This guy lacks manners,true liverpool spirit and football qualities. Therefore I ( my personal feeling ) is that he is a douch. {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea, he desperately wanted to succeed for us, he just isn't good enough.}

Yeah, i hear you Ed001, but I feel let down and I feel that he stabbed the club in the back and spit in our faces when he talked Hazard into joining Chelsea, just to realise that he himself had to come back to anfield and suddenly were the best club and he want to show his appreciation and so on. This is just "belittleling" of us as fans.
( even though hazard never would have come to us its the actions made by cole that I strongly feel is wrong and disrespectful against his own club).

Anyways, i am not here to fight or become a douch myself. So goodnight Ed001 and goodluck to all next week.
We can do this! Believe children,believe! {Ed002's Note - There was zero chance that Hazard would be joining Liverpool and Hazard would have been asking Cole about Chelsea and not Liverpool. This constant spewing of hate by the so called "fans" at their own players really is pretty awful.}

18 Aug 2012 19:40:59
Wasn't expecting a 3-0 mauling today. Next 4 league games are going to be tougher than today. Feel sorry for Rodgers, he's on a hiding to nothing and will be gone before new year.

18 Aug 2012 19:40:53
I knew it was going to be like this on this site. I still Believe we will play great attacking football this year and beyond, and beat many of team. We will finish top 4 and everyone saying "Rogers out" or "he will be gone by Xmas" should look back at their posts in time and hang your heads with shame.

Yes it was rubbish TODAY, yes things went wrong, but stop whinging like little bitches, like you do all the time. You know who you are, the ones constantly moaning about everything. We are becoming the worst set of fans in the EPL and that is the opinion of many other fans. It's easy to be the best fans when you are winning titles, as you have nothing to bitch about, but try being a real fan when things ain't going to well, rather than the same old rubbish"get the manager out" that a lot cry out when we lose. Support the club, that is your passion and that is your love.

First part of the post I disagree with second part I agree with. You should learn to be patient also, you might eat your words also if BR doesn't step up and becoming exactly like the people you slate. We will wait and see

18 Aug 2012 19:40:24
Ok 3-0 defeat away to West Brom is not the start we had anticipated but lets not get too down about it. Zoltan Gera's goal before half time was unstoppable in my opinion but after the break we started a lot better and after Aggers red card the wheels came off.

We were very unlucky with the penalty decisions and with some of Suarez's chances and for anyone slating Suarez for missing chances, he creates most of them out of nothing and is our best player which is clear for anyone to see.

Let's get behind the club that we love. Only this morning there was so much positivity about how this season would pan out and its a marathon not a sprint, still 37 games to go.

Rodgers is a good manager and great coach and needs time so lets stop with the nagativity and SUPPORT our team.

YNWA

PB

18 Aug 2012 19:47:30
Oh dear, oh dear.
We were unlucky to be losing at half time, but in my option would have won today if not the CBs. Apparently both have had 20m plus put on there head. Seriously that was not a 40mdisplay.
Then when things go wrong there was no answers. BR will get it right but all optimism lost for me in the near future.

Gutted truly gutted from today, we need to field as strong as a team as poss against hearts because they needs comprehensive win next time out.

Redphil

18 Aug 2012 19:40:14
I think today fitness had alot to do with things. i noticed West Brom started playing pre-season friendlys a mounth before us.

Simoky

What a load of garbage..We've played 2 Europa Cup games. Come up with a better excuse for our cr** performance than that. I paid my money, and have a right to call it. Rome 77

Worst excuse yet, we have played two europa league games on top of our friendlies, no more excuses, we were second best to an average side and every player and BR deserve all the flak that`s coming their way

18 Aug 2012 19:39:52
hi Eds n Reds

worst opening day result since 1937...seem to be breaking a lot of records over the last few years..all negative ones though

atlfc70

Lol a post at last..

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 19:38:34
Evening eds ,my mate just got back from baggies ,said the lfc fans weren't happy with BR ,and he said BR out of his depth ,job to big for him .looking like another Roy then .

I swear to God, if I was standing next to someone who said that Brendan Rogers was the next Roy Hodgson I would hit the p**** so f****** hard he'd eventually wake up and thank me. And I'm not a violent person. There is no comparison between what these two try to get their teams to do. If someone had told you at 9am this morning that Liverpools season would be defined this game, would you have believed them? Of course not. So why do it now, you bunch of ****ing eedjits.

The comparison to Roy was more about the time scale given not style of football .so keep your hands in your pockets son .

18 Aug 2012 19:36:39
Sometimes the players arnt good enough.
The squad isnt much different from last season and even though we under performed the best we could have realistcly finished last season was 7th cuz spurs and newcastle were clearly better.
Allen Borini and Assaidi are good signings but they wont change us to world beaters or even top 3/4
We lack Firepower. No goalscorer, pace or cutting edge.
Borini is a very good young player scored 10 goals last year but this is the premier league and i DOUBT he could get us even 15 goals.
Suarez was prolific for Ajax and is for Uruguay but for us cannot score enough goals wether he is unlucky i dont know.
So we DEFO need a ST
We dont have pace and apart from Suarez and sterling(not ready) NO 1 can take on and get behind defences.
We need a WINGER.

I am worried we will drop points against smaller teams as we always do.

So i hope from this defeat it PUSHES Rodgers and the owners to go and buy to BIG players. Like £20m + striker cuz it is possible we managed to sign Luis for 22m without CL.

Need 2 signings maybe 3.
We might not get any points next game with City. Also arsenal and United too its make or break for the season ALREADY.
We HAVE to win the EUROPA LEAGUE and want FA cup.

Still believe in Rodgers.

YNWA

F5.

18 Aug 2012 19:36:37
I dont kno wat others feel but I feel we definitely need a world class striker by splashing a lot of cash or else we will finish 8th again. We cant finish anything. I am afraid we wont finish sixth let alone fourth.

18 Aug 2012 19:35:54
Skrtel could not have avoided contact for the second penalty and I could swear whats-his-face was already going down as he ripped the ball away.

Rodgers will now realize the anti-LFC conspiracy Phil Dowd and Howard Webb are in on.

Trust me, we all know about these two. How many decisions went against us that game unfairly? The skrytel one got other fans questioning the reff also. I watche it with a city and arsenal fan and both were saying that it was so dodgy. The sending off was completely wrong although it was a pen (that would not have been given to us I can assure you). All our players got barged and blocked off the ball like they were rugby players and we never got yellow cards for that, Johnson does it once and gets a yellow card...I would love an AK-47 at this moment in time

18 Aug 2012 19:06:01
DONE DEAL: Spearing to Nottingham Forrest for 3 million pounds.

I'm happy with that, what about you?

Good move for everyone in my opinion. Good luck to jay hope you play better there.

18 Aug 2012 19:04:03
If that is the best we have then its going to be a damn long season. Stevie crap today .

When all goes wrong blame Stevie.

How about blaming BR?

Everything about Gerrard's performance, today, was simply abysmal. There was no fist thumping or rallying of the troops, which I know is a criticism often thrown at him. His passing was woeful, too, but he wasted no time in berating others when their passing was astray...Rome 77

18 Aug 2012 19:03:48
Hey eds, myself along with every other decent fan on here would be more than happy if you guys were to block every miserable, moaning, negative person on here. Its becoming unbearable to the point I'm being put off this site. How many times does it have to be said. We are a "work in progress" out of the 6 games Rodgers has had in charge we've had one bad day with a different squad for every game.

Today, everything went against us. It happens.

Cudge

Seem to happen a lot last season too, bad luck - we need to move away from that kind of thinking and make our own luck like everyone else.

You won't be saying that come the end off a 5 game losing steak to the teams we got coming up. This was 3 points we really needed. So maybe you should understand why people are a little nervy...

There's being nervy then there's being a complete and utter person. We don't go cursing our kids when they lose there football matches or lose at gymnastics etc because they will be less confident the next time. Its the same with your team.

Cudge

18 Aug 2012 19:34:59
Sometimes the players arnt good enough.
The squad isnt much different from last season and even though we under performed the best we could have realistcly finished last season was 7th cuz spurs and newcastle were clearly better.
Allen Borini and Assaidi are good signings but they wont change us to world beaters or even top 3/4
We lack Firepower. No goalscorer, pace or cutting edge.
Borini is a very good young player scored 10 goals last year but this is the premier league and i DOUBT he could get us even 15 goals.
Suarez was prolific for Ajax and is for Uruguay but for us cannot score enough goals wether he is unlucky i dont know.
So we DEFO need a ST
We dont have pace and apart from Suarez and sterling(not ready) NO 1 can take on and get behind defences.
We need a WINGER.

I am worried we will drop points against smaller teams as we always do.

So i hope from this defeat it PUSHES Rodgers and the owners to go and buy to BIG players. Like £20m + striker cuz it is possible we managed to sign Luis for 22m without CL.

Need 2 signings maybe 3.
We might not get any points next game with City. Also arsenal and United too its make or break for the season ALREADY.
We HAVE to win the EUROPA LEAGUE and want FA cup.

Still believe in Rodgers.

YNWA

F5.

Would you be happy with Bent for 20m?
How about Steven Fletcher for 15m?

Price means nothing, I would prefer a top class striker for cheap than garbage for 35m

Ben

Are you on the right site, this is for liverpool fans !

18 Aug 2012 19:30:41
First game. Not too worried about the loss. My concern is that Cole was immediately injured, and therefore nobody will buy him. Even more concerning is that he was put on the field when we had Henderson and Adam on bench. Not that they are stars, but Cole is beyond beyond.

Anyone think our defenders are too slow for this new system? I think Borini will come good, though Downing only had one good season in his career. He is 28. People who think he will still 'come good' are truly delusional. I really pray that Sahin didn't watch the game.

I think sahin would be a huge difference if we were to get him which is 100% not going to happen because he's off to arsenal. We needed a marquee signing in one specific area...striker. We didn't improve it in January and we haven't improved it now. So it will continue to be the same old story.

18 Aug 2012 19:30:22
Hi eds

We need a goalscorer, someone who will finish the chances that we make. Now if we haven't got the money to splash on a top striker, let's get Owen back. Now I know people will say no way he let us down and all that but we need a finisher and he is free and can still do a job for us

GeoffB

18 Aug 2012 19:25:47
Andy Carroll to spurs and spearing to forest

18 Aug 2012 19:24:46
hi eds reds very dissapointing start to the season , but it has to be said, no luck again!! lets hope our luck turns for next week. on the subject of players, ins outs, seeing the carroll to spurs rumours again. this would make sence dont forget they bid for carroll before we signed him, it seems they cant agree terms with adeybour, they have two wingers bale and lennon, heving said all that i for one , dont want him to go. we do need to get a 20 plus goals a season striker. who? thats the question? also the rumours surrounding adam moving across the park to the twisted bitters, increasing it seems. probably wouldnt happen, but would love baines the other way plus maybe nine million? the sahin rumours persisting, i wouldve thought real wouldnt want him playing for another cl team even though it seems sahin may want cl football doesnt it remain reals decsion? any chance of any this happening eds? god bless 96 steviep62

18 Aug 2012 19:23:50
Carra,I love you to death but your desire to keep playing is now actually harming us. Time waits for no man and you my friend are no different. This, however, leads me to believe BR has little or no confidence in Coates. If that's the case surely another defender should be top priority. Or did he think this match against W.B.A. would be a formality like the corresponding fixture last season? The biggest dissapointment of all today though was the sheer lack of fight in the players, Gerrard included, and I never thought I'd hear myself say that. I hope there aren't deep-seated reasons for their lethargy or is it they have little or no faith in the new regime? I will give everybody the benefit of the doubt for now. The first weekend always throws up surprise results, and who are we to think we are immune to being on the end of one? Fans, and I include myself, are fickle by nature. Some good performances and results in the upcoming weeks will see us all forget today's shambles. We actually played pretty well for the first hour but contrived to implode. I've never been either for or against Brendan Rodgers but what chance does the guy have if first team players don't have the pride needed to fight for the cause? I don't think any of them can look in the mirror this evening and think in pure honesty they did as much as they could today. Levels of performance and execution are all subjective but effort, graft and playing for the shirt should be taken as a given. I can accept defeat in the right circumstances but as a loyal fan of over 40 years I feel thoroughly let down today because the passion and drive to do their utmost was evidently missing.

Paul, Staffs.

Regarding Coates it isn't a case of Faith but more he or any manager for the past 4 years has had the balls to drop him from the squad permanently

Ben

Couldnt agree more,totally gutless performance that shows BR has an awful lot to do,also Gerrard and Carragher exert an undue influence imo which manifests in our dismal displays...at this rate we'llbe fighting relegation and i'm not joking.There needs to be a serious change of attitude
'

Very well said, Paul...Came away today totally dejected, and angry..Rome 77

With that sentiment in mind Ben I'm sure I've heard Jamie commenting before now when big players have left Liverpool,(most recently Torres,) that we move on regardless as nobody is bigger than the club itself. I feel it is long overdue from an LFC manager to remove Carra from the first team squad. He cannot really complain when that happens, I just hope Brendan has the balls to upset and remove the dressing room hierarchy when their performance no longer merits a place in the side, irrespective of past achievements.

Paul, Staffs

18 Aug 2012 19:22:28
Hi all

can someone answer this for me..when carroll is off the pitch its cross cross cross..when hes on a cross is non exsistant..is it just me..

atlfc70

No its not just you

I have always thought the same pal.
TT

It was the same last season mate! cant understand it, more to the point i bet andy cant either! steviep62

18 Aug 2012 19:18:35
WTF just happened today? I say we would be lucky to finish top ten this year let alone top 4.

Chi Town Red

Wow you decided that after 1 game? Clearly you've never watched a full premiership season!

18 Aug 2012 19:17:19
Lets be positive! We are three points from the top of the league....

This 3 points could cost us in the end and it was far from positive. should go for Rafa instead

That great man who didn't finish in the top 4 in his last season and did such great things with his own squad, oh wait he won the CL with Houlliers team and ruined ours with Aqualani, driving Xabi out and boring football

Ben

And in the bottom 3

18 Aug 2012 19:17:04
I don't know what everyone is expecting so soon. The team is full of the same players who have been under performing for the last 2 or 3 years under all managers. He's only been able to bring in 3 players of his choice so far, and was only able to pick 2 of them today.

It's going to be a tough next 5 or more years...so get used to it and just support.

Carragher, Cole, Downing, even Gerrard, plus more.

Big wages and either past it or not good enough. We need a good clear out and the stadium sorted...but that's going to take years!

-Shane.

What i was expecting was better than that ! don`t care about needing time, with city,utd and arsenal coming up we have no time, top 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 could be over 5 games in

5 years, i`m not waiting that long, we`ve already waited 22 years !

So if we lose our first 5 but win the next 33 we will have 99 points, which will win the league.

Ben

You must be some sort of 13 year old supporter who didn't watch gerrad in his prime.
AnfieldUSA

18 Aug 2012 20:46:37
AnfieldUSA,
I'm a 24 year old man who pretty much grew up watching him. He was brilliant. Consistently. But he's no longer consistent, or brilliant, for club, or country. Time creeps up eventually. It'd be a brave and wise manager to take him out of the team...but that's what Rodgers needs to be.

-Shane.

Shane mate, disagree. I believe both carra and gerrad should remain in the squad. No matter what. It doesn't matter what their skill level is( usually ). The massive amounts of leadership and experience they have and can give it priceless. Also, those two can teach youngsters like carragher has Been doing to Kelly.
AnfieldUSA

18 Aug 2012 19:15:56
In my opinion, this style of play just doesnt suit our squad. To be successful with that system you need real quiality in attack, because you are slowing down the game and waiting for someone to do something special to score a goal. We only have borini and suarez who cant even hit the target from 5 yards out.

We can only be in a position to play this way if we are at the top and an attract top attackers. Right now though, i think we should be making the game more open, because this would work against lesser teams as we have better players than them. This would probably mean we lose to the big teams, but we need to beat the lesser teams if we want to be in the top 4.

The only type of good football that works in the prem league is what spurs played last season and arsenal always play, which is free flowing attacking football. The pace of this league is too much to be slowing down the tempo completely.

Also dont say it worked for swansea, because they finished 11th. And dont say we used to win leagues playing like this because the game wasnt as fast.

When we finished second under rafa we played counter attacking football.

Hounsred

18 Aug 2012 19:10:23
It's a good reality check! ... It's a good lesson that teaches us where we stand against a team like West Brom (no disrespect here). It's a good team and Playing them at hawthorns won't be walk in the park.

I'm not really bothered about Penalties and ref decisions. As long as video replays are not considered we've to live with the decisions dished out by 'human' entity ..some going against us and keep mum when some don't.

I'm not at all frustrated that we got 3 goals against us in first match.

What really I felt bad about is our boy's body language when we went 3-0 down..It was as if we can't score..that really made me sad. That is not Liverpool Way. It certainly doesn't mean we should leave defending and open up spaces but when we have the ball we should continue doing the same thing we were 'trying' to do in first half and when we don't have the ball keep pressing.

Our fighting spirit went away when we were 10 men and 3 goals down. If we can't show fighting spirit in this situation then when? Certainly it's not a fighting spirit when we have scored 3 goals and going for fourth. That is adrenaline pumping.

Seriously, Lets not rule out Brendan Rodgers and the team he is trying to built on one game ... It's as bad as singing laurels of him and the team if we would've won by 3 goals.

If premiership is not won on one good game, It's not lost either on losing one bad game.

Indian Kopite

18 Aug 2012 19:02:52
saki naka football by BR :) defance not strong midfield missing and striker wait for tha ball.

hhh

Is that sentence supposed to mean something? Gazman

Get back to the wrestling tripple h.............lfc

18 Aug 2012 19:02:17
When the Liverpool managers job come available then it's a mouth watering dream for anyone.
Benitez, Hodgson, Dalglish and Rodgers all try there best to bring a winning formula together with a team of talents.
Our 11 first team players are all international standard with a combined squad value of over 200million pounds.
When you look on paper at the talent we have then compare that of most other teams in the EPL, we should be winning those lesser teams.
I liked Benitez's European style efficient tactical football that brought us champions league on a regular bases and that extra revenue for the club. I miss the times when we was one of the most feared in Europe. Thank you for those memories Rafa.
I liked Dalglish's pass and move attacking football and the fact he supports his club, supporters and players against the ruthless media. Thank you for the two cup finals.
All this talk of us being miles away is rediculaus considering the team we have and the squad size at our disposal. Reina ( one of the best keepers in the world)
Then talents of Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez.. Then there's Carroll a 15m valued player, Bolini cost 10m, Allen 15m, Henderson 20m, Downing 20m etc etc the list goes on.. Yet you believe we are a 6th to 10th club.
If Rodgers is as good as he thinks he is or as good as many of you think he is then a top 4 is a cert surely.
I hope Rodgers can be a success and I for one will support him on his quest.
Physic red

Dont know how you can call reina one of the best keepers in the world,he is a complete flapper...didnt exactly bust a gut to get across to prevent the third goal today...a top keeper would have flung himself at the ball taking defender and all with him.

18 Aug 2012 19:01:46
Our midfield look lost we should play 3-5-2

18 Aug 2012 19:01:42
Purple nose took two years to get results didn't he?
Lfc matt

He might well of done .but kenny lost his job for missing top 4 .but I think we won't finish in top half with BR so any names coming forward for next season gaffer?

18 Aug 2012 19:00:12
Too many average players just going through the motions,no hunger or desire.Bunch of conmen

18 Aug 2012 18:59:55
not great start but all in all its not as if we were totally played off the park and lost 3-0, we were ok in first half and went down to a screamer from nowhere then 5 crazy mins in the 2nd half and the game goes out of reach. i really believe if we had stayed on an even footing in the 2nd half we would have gone on and at the very least got a draw but i think we would probably have won. There are definitely things to work on but i think this was just 1 of those days where things go against you and 1 or 2 decisions totally change the outcome of a game, 1st pen and red card were definitely harsh, 2nd pen was soft but sloppy from skrtel. its just unfortunate its happened on rodgers first big game

like i said not great but im not reaching for the anti depressants yet

18 Aug 2012 18:59:48
i would have said poor result if there was no sending off. With 10 men it is always a task.
Knee jerk reaction is too harsh. If we are competing with Arsenal,Spurs and Newcastle for fourth spot then Gunners draw and hopefully same result with the other two is not cause for concern.

18 Aug 2012 18:59:32
Allan get a starting line up he not even practis with this team. Jonjo did well last 2/3 match and he don't get a call.

vaan gal

He played great.

In a pre season training session.

Against average and equally unfit opponents.

And obviously he is not good enough yet to be considered a starter.

This is no different to Dalglish; Maxi scores goals for fun yet Downing starts, Carroll plays well yet he is Dropped and Spearing consistently starts ahead of Shelvey or Coady or even Agger in defensive midfield with Coates at the back

Ben

18 Aug 2012 18:58:49
I admit being frustrated but some people here really are pathetic!
After the Gomel and Leverkusen game everybody was happy, looking forward to the new season, idolising Rodgers and commending the players.
We lose one game, admittedly a poor performance, and suddenly Gerrard is old and useless (did you see his Euros performance) Borini was a waste (looked really bright last week) and Rodgers needs a taxi booked for him.
Get behind the team and don't make judgements after each game, all it achieves is making you look dumb.
YNWA.
Cal

18 Aug 2012 18:57:24
Not wanting to slag off the manager and frankly I think long term he'll be fine, but a couple of things I just can't fathom and am curious what others think:

- Suarez is creative, but not exactly a clinical finisher.
- Borini is a decent finisher, but not very creative and prefers to play in the middle.
- Downing can put a decent ball in the box with his left foot, not nearly as good at this with his right. He's also not widely known for his attacking/cutting in prowess to score goals.

So why are we playing Borini-Suarez-Downing? It should be Downing-Borini-Suarez.

Or am I just crazy?

Otherwise, thought Allen was good, Gerrsrd very poor, and Lucas looked a bit unsure how to work with Downing. Kelly was alright, but needs to work on his left foot clearances, Johnson was decent, and unfortunately I fear Agger and Skrtel may be too slow to play this style. They got caught out a number of times by Long who isn't exactly the speediest of strikers.

18 Aug 2012 18:57:21
What we were crying out for was an organised,disaplined performance. A little composure, intelligent movement, progressive pressing football.

What we got was sloppy, casual and lacklustre efforts from most. Johnson attacked well, but his positioning was poor and Lucas struggled to cover (it will take time, given his injury), as the ball wasn't held up long enough. Gerrard and Downing in particular wasted so many opportunities up top. Skrtel and Agger were barely awake at the back.

Allen controls the ball well and starts off attacks, but physically I hope Lucas can help him bulk up the way he did, as he lacks strength. We lack height and strength in general, with the exception of Agger, Skrtel and Carroll. A positive signing would have been Sigurdsson. He's strong with a good build and we lack that kind of player. I'm really worried about Yaya and De Jong just dominating us next week, City seem to have struck the balance perfectly, but I suppose that's what money buys. Lucas may cope with one or two, but Silva if in form could rip us apart, especially with Carra's legs.

Suarez may be in for a tough year this year. Opposition fans are on his back, fouls don't seem to be given and he got a yellow card for something he does a dozen times a game. Gone was the movement between Borini and Suarez and the confidence of Downing. A 4-3-3 should mean to have 4 attackers pushing at most times, then sometimes an extra midfielder and full backs. We rarely had more than 3, yet we always seemed culpable on the counter.

It's so frustrating to be here again, but regardless of everything it's only one game. My main fear was the players attitudes. Yes it was a tough day, but lots of heads dropped including Gerrards. Stevie should set an example with his attitude, especially as he's not the most vocal captain.

It's a little bold, but I would like to see Assaidi start over Downing. He's a unknown quantity and should be raring to go. Shelvey, may also be worth playing as he has the confidence of youth. Perhaps a diamond in midfield and two up top would give us more presence.

It's a long old season and it won't all be as bad as today. We will proceed with tika taka yes, but perhaps we'll do it with a little more intelligance and aggression in games to come.

Papa G

Totally agree with you Papa G on players attitudes - a few didn't seem to give enough

18 Aug 2012 18:55:03
Usual cliches about time and being positive.
You lot don't get it. Small time manager and clueless owners.
Players won't want to come to us now.
All very predictable.
Not even a 'Told You So' situation.
After ten games ?

Red Bus

Red bus? You should be on one....
BigBadBen

Another clueless critic - all answers, no solutions. So easy when you sit in your armchair and don't have to actually make a real decision, isn't it. Bet you've got the economy sorted and all. Please enlighten us - if it's so predictable, tell us the future.

18 Aug 2012 18:51:32
Think the following statement sums up this site at the moment:

" Opinions are like noses .......... everyone has got one "

What do you think eds? Funny but so so true.

Thanks,

Jordan {Ed002's Note - There are some unfortunate people who do not have noses.}

But I bet they still have an opinion

Puzzled

Brilliant response puzzled.
Confused

18 Aug 2012 18:48:49
Until the fantastic goal by Zoltan Gera, which would on its own deserve to win any match, we were deefinitely the better team. Gerrard used to score goals like that, Agger used to score goals like that. For some reason, we always self destruct on the first day of the season. There was quite a bit of sloppy passing and far too much passing backwards. Hopefully things will get better.

18 Aug 2012 18:47:03
wish we had ben arfa ......we just got no one that can take a man on with pace ....

Suarez can and hopefully Assaidi stop being doom and gloom we will get better...
Skurks

Assaidi????

Lol above comment are you serious pal
Winger fast skilful Moroccan
Ring any bells?
Bean

18 Aug 2012 18:46:55
Hi,

eds and all this is my 1st Post.

Been supporting Liverpool since 1990. Been through lots of False dawns over the years. Although im from Singapore, the love that i have for LFC is deep. The emotions that i have when we win, loose or draw its unexplainable. I broke my T.V once when we lost to man U....

I know that most of us have gone through hell by supporting our beloved LFC in the past 22 years....

Was very dissapointed with the WBA game today. No tiki taka no problem but where is the passion from the players, where? Zero fighting spirit, that was the saddest thing... here we are having a banter about 'sacking BR, only the 1st game, give the team a chance' etc. but the players didn't even want to 'bleed' for LFC.

i know we are suppossed to give BR time to implement his playing style. But maybe LFC is not meant to play TIKI TAKA. Barcelona is of another level because of the caliber of players they have.

Swansea finished 11th playing their version of TIKI TAKA. That is why IMHO Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich etc don't play TIKI TAKA. I mean don't get me wrong, these clubs have world class players but the TIKI TAKA system doesn't work for them.

No disrespect to Swansea but i cannot believe during the game the commentators were saying 'can you see a touch of Swansea in Liverpools play'.

I really hope that we do well this season. it doesn't matter where we finish on the table as long as the players believe & fight & 'bleed' for LFC.

Cheers :)

Please don't get too cocky.
Apparently, the problem is that Liverpool players are not even anywhere as good at playing decent passing football. Case in point, even without Rodgers, Swansea thrashed qpr away today, it was almost Ike Rodgers had been holding them back. You need a massive player overhaul to get back to glory, every one needs to go except Suarez and agger, Allen can stay. And yes donkey and bonjovi have to go too.

Bayern dont play TIKI TAKA, obviously 78% possession or how ever high versus Chelsea isn't good enough for you, Gomez with Ribery and Robben is the front 3 whilst Gustavo, Schweinstegier and Kroos are the equivelant of Xavi Iniesta and busquets.

And by the way Real Madrid dont use TIKI TAKA because of the Manager, and why waste possession when Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain or whoever can score in a snap.

Ben

I agree on the lack of fighting spirit ...that was just not Liverpool's way!

18 Aug 2012 18:46:52
Pessimist in me- that's where a preseason of feigned optimism from supporters and suits in Boston making football decisions gets you.

Optimist in me- First game of the season, Shankly lost first game in charge, teething problems with new system.

Sahin will be a big player I think and success for me hinges on whether we can do a deal for him. But its looking increasingly unlikely. Song to Barca means more than likely Sahin to Arsenal.

RedDen

Sahin is 100% going arsenal. {Ed002's Note - Or Napoli, or Liverpool.}

18 Aug 2012 18:45:34
I just hope after today the board and BR are shocked and realise that we have once again paid a little over the odds for relitivly average players (allen and borini) and then we do still need to spend big, mainly on a striker, we need someone who can simply score, doesnt need to be someone who can turn inside and outside, skill past all 10 opposition players, just someone like Robbie Fowler who could just find the net, thats what we are missing, we never looked really like scoring today, i'm not a fan of this 4-3-3 but we are going to have to go back into the market and not just for average players!

Allen was one of the better (if not the best) players on the pitch and for some bizarre reason Borini is playing out wide and hardly saw the ball.

Agree Allen was our best player and Borini should play in the centre. Has more pace than Suarez.

18 Aug 2012 18:44:35
Pessimist in me- that's where a preseason of feigned optimism from supporters and suits in Boston making football decisions gets you.

Optimist in me- First game of the season, Shankly lost first game in charge, teething problems with new system.

Sahin will be a big player I think and success for me hinges on whether we can do a deal for him. But its looking increasingly unlikely. Song to Barca means more than likely Sahin to Arsenal.

18 Aug 2012 18:44:04
Tbh Carroll was the only one who showed any passion, once he came on.

Not impressed with BR's excuses. I'm tired of excuses. We played terrible plain and simple.

I don't know what else to say. Just down in the dumps right now.

We need some quality signings.

It's worse when you live with a man utd supporter especially after convincing him we'll be finishing atleast 4th this season.

Early days...De ja vu.

Apologies in advance for my pessimism.

Shak Attack

18 Aug 2012 18:43:58
its no good calling for rafa back when you dont have torres!

Liverpool was good before torres and if rafa came back they would be good without him.

18 Aug 2012 18:43:31
Pretty even game up until Gera's absolute screamer, and any side in this division would have gone a goal down to it, it was unstoppable. The game hinged on the 2 penalties and sending off. The 1st was very soft, very very soft, a slight nudge from Agger on Long i believe, and possibly outside the box, then a straight red. Subsequent pen was easily saved as it was a shocker. 2nd penalty i personally felt, was equally as soft, i dont recall Skrtel sticking out a foot, i may be proven wrong on MOTD later, but for now thats my opinion. In the 2nd half we were always going to be running uphill chasing the game. I think BR was looking for a little creativity, so brought on Joe Cole, and i think within 10 minutes, he was complaining of a tight hamstring, so that was a substitution wasted as he had to be replaced, with Carroll. Yes WBA looked good today, but mainly because they were playing against 10 men. 2 main issues i have are, for all the chances Suarez has during 90 mins, he doesn't even come close to converting enough, nowhere near, and thats not just today, thats nearly every game. We need a 'fox in the box' if you will, someone of the ilk of a Rush/Fowler, and if they consider Morgan to not be ready, then i feel that type of player must be a priority. 2nd issue is that i personally feel Reina needs a real quality keeper biting at his heels to keep him on his toes, to up his game and attitude, i feel last season he became very complacent, mainly because he was a guaranteed starter every game, cups included, and it became no challenge to him anymore, and i feel this season being the same. I mean, he was the last back to pre season, over a week after everyone elses who participated in the Euros, yet he never even kicked a ball. or caught a ball! Bottom line is, i feel like we, as a team, were unlucky today, circumstances dictated it wasn't to be, but its game 1 of 38, and like many have said, if you dont support the team when they lose, you dont basque in our collective glory when we win. Basic match analysis and mini rant over...enjoy your evenings 1 and all.

The Rev

The fox on the box would be Borini, but for whatever reason Suarez is playing centrally. Hope BR sees that having Suarez as a striker doesn't work- it didn't work last season either.

18 Aug 2012 18:39:12
Everybody don't panic
We are tryin to get in top 4
Arsenal drew and just sold song and rvp
And spurs are drawing at newscastle
And we still have 37 games left
Cheers bobcat

We got owned 3-0 and played our best team. Arsenal didnt have song or van persie in their squad. spurs dont have modric. say if we didnt have gerrard or suarez in our team and we lost like that, your excuse would be valid but its not.

We played our best team?
Reina jonno skrtel agger Enrique
Lucas Allen Gerrard
Downing/assaidi borini Suarez
From my thinking we were without Jose Enrique today and he is first choice left back. Borini played wide for some reason when he should be playing down the middle with Suarez out wide
I think assaidi will start possibly in front of downing as he has more pace and skill and
Oh I give up today was cr*p everyone had admitted it head up and move on

18 Aug 2012 18:38:19
Hi Eds, you should start a Liverpool Post Match page, would give me and others somewhere to vent my anger at what happenend today! GRRRRRRR!

Ooh, you're a tiger aren't you?
BigBadBen

And the patient of us a bit of peace and quite from the pessimism, anger, edRAGE, we want Rafa crap every weekend.

I agree it would be great for not just the inpatient but also the mature

Ben

18 Aug 2012 18:38:14
Aldridge said heads went down at 2-0. PRIDE? need striker badly. tic-tak no, italian system yes with our squad but need 2 quality strikers.
Midfield still a problem.
stevie oh g

18 Aug 2012 18:37:39
Don't blame the manager blame the ar**hole players who don't try hard enough. It can't be a coincidence that the same players who under performed for Dalglish are doing the same for Rodgers can it? I hope he drops the bloody lot of them, for Suarez to miss the chances he did today and for the likes of Gerrard to mis-place so many passes is inexcusable and not the managers fault, how can it be? It's about time these di**head players were accountable for the terrible, terrible performances that they've subjected us to over the last 2 years and its about time we got on their backs about it, these guys live in a bubble, they finish their game win lose or draw and non of us say anything to them, well I think its about time they were told a few home truths whether it be through twitter or radio phone-ins they need to hear the fans. In short we can't keep on blaming managers when they aren't on the pitch actually playing the game, that's when the players have to take some responsibility, god knows they get paid enough. Give Rodgers a break and give the players the grief they bring on themselves.

18 Aug 2012 18:37:21
Hopefully Assaidi turns out to be that skillful winger we've needed for the past 4 years otherwise we're pretty much doomed, because we know our stingy owners aren't going to provide any more cash for another one. We need atleast Dempsey, Ramirez and Sahin to have a remote chance of top four. The is the time is now to spend!

RDR

Ramirez choose Southampton

18 Aug 2012 18:34:13
Rafa to be brought back to the club as ambassador and help Rodgers but wants managers role eventually herd it from a fella who hit a golf ball into his garden at helsby and was forth coming with all info

18 Aug 2012 18:28:58
Bad day at the office, But the one thing we can't do is write the Manager, team or season off already! Ok it all went horribly wrong today, but it will be a long season and plenty of good times ahead I am sure, it will take time for it to all click in competitive matches.

Come on lets get behind them!

18 Aug 2012 18:28:44
I am loving the bottom 3 teams of the table right now, better luck next year hey?

-Manchester United fan

Yeah and like your going to finish above man city ha ha

Laugh it up ba*khead, as soon as Fergie quits you lot are finished. The only reason you lot are anywhere near the top of the table is because of him, with your debts when he goes it's back to mid- table for you, I remember those days and boy I'm looking forward to seeing them again. Not long now.

U my friend are a person... Good day
Rickblfc...

I'm loving the 600million pound debt, better luck next year?
AnfieldUSA

Yeah but they can still spend £24m on a player that could make a difference..strange..in debt..hmm

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 18:27:59
what a disaster ....brendan should not defend them after that .....without the ball we were shocking today ....where was this high tempo pressing game and as for stevie g ...well he had a shocker ....lord help us in the next few games .....this team needs a 90% improvement ....today was not good enough ...no excuses !

He obviously isn't going to slaughter his players in the eyes of the media is he
They will get hammered at some point in th season I would rather it be today than at home vs the scummers in a few weeks

18 Aug 2012 18:27:42
Obviously result very poor today but more worrying was the display of our senior players. Carra looked awful when he came on and Stevie must have borrowed Harry Potters invisabilty cloak, complete passenger today. Borini wasn't much better either, Allen has stats that says he had a stormer, truth is it's what you do wioth the ball not how many times you touch it, very ineffectual today.

Matt b

18 Aug 2012 18:27:28
we come not to play
quite ironic

18 Aug 2012 18:26:16
3 goals WOW i knew liverf**l would lose but not by three goals, and sincerely WTF is the difference between joe allen and henderson he is just another overhyped british dude,and am i the only one who thinks steven gerrard looks FAT the dude can't run........LOL

Hotspud009

Why don't u do one, go on about our best player over the last decade looking fat and can't run, what about your best player of the last decade or so, SOL, he had to sign for a big club like arsenal to win things

Is 009 your IQ?

davethebutcher

And we're on the same number of points as Spurs.

18 Aug 2012 18:22:18
As always, nothing new...
A total donkey makes the strike of his life
A referee finds a hopeless penalty or two (and not when Borini was hip-checked or Kelly wrestled to the ground)
Suarez needs at least 10 shots to make a goal

On the other hand we'll certainly get 4-6 pts from Manc, Ars and Man Utd...

BTW What was Dowds score on Fantasy PL?

BTW2 Shouldn't he loose a couple of pounds? Might get him a bit closer to the action...Run Phil, run...

I honestly think Carroll would score more goals in a season starting every game than Suarez. He is all show and no go.

Why was Carroll not on the bench at least!!

Are you stupid Carroll played about 10 mi s at the end or had you already stopped taking any notice by then?

18 Aug 2012 18:20:56
I appriacte the eds letting us vent our feelings on the game, it helped me very much cuz I was pretty mad, Thanks eds.

18 Aug 2012 18:20:33
We all need to calm down not being funny but why do we as fans think that where going to be world beaters after just one game its just isn't going to happen I have never brought into the fact that BR is going to take us back into the glory days but at the same time the board don't want to spend big they don't wont to pay massive wages and they brought us as a investment so hence why "A BIG NAMED MANAGER" wasn't brought in over the summer if we had brought in Van Gaal, Hiddink or even Rafa they would of gone for big named players with big wages you look at RVP £25mil I can grantee he's not on 50K a week and from the lads we have brought in that's all we can offer FSG WILL NOT back us as a club we where brought for a small price and to be sold as a big profit end of so stop your moaning and bit*hin and just get behind the lads win draw lose and support them

Mikey YNWA

18 Aug 2012 18:19:40
Super fantastic to hear the fans singing after the red card and saved penalty! That was a testament to our supporters' famous belief; however, all we need is an Istanbul comeback or a 5-minute Rush-hattrick to really bring back something special.

B.R. and the team need our support now more than ever.

18 Aug 2012 18:24:58
To put it bluntly, things can only get better.
Keep those heads up!

Drewzer

18 Aug 2012 18:23:35
here the moaners come!! the 1st game of the season with new players in the team and a new system to play in...what do you expect?really? it shouldnt have been 3-0 today the second was deffo not a penalty.its going to take time! god sake!

ed002 i appolagise for been an person last season to say the least! you and all the other eds have been great this transfer window.can you please unblock me i am sincerly sorry. and can you post this in rumours for everyone to condemn me :(

wildRED {Ed002's Note - As a special treat.}

What did you do

Borini is too lightweight.... end of. Was not a penalty. Theirs were and they should have beaten us 5 or 6 nil.

Think your showing a lack of respect there , Gera has just come back from bad injury , and scored a brill goal , I would rather say that we , again did not have anyone near the D , on a set piece , remember the Everton away game , yes Dowd was awfull , both pens should not have been given , but , agger should have put in a tackle outside the box , skertel needs smelling salts , and why does he always fall over , one thing , BR , has now seen his team play , Stevie G has to play further up the pitch , downing and more so joe cole should be sold , cole should have gone on a free to save on his huge wages , we need a class centre half , a class striker , to put away them chances , give BR more time , he will soon see the bigger picture , plus give carra a coaching role .
redforever

18 Aug 2012 18:20:56
I appriacte the eds letting us vent our feelings on the game, it helped me very much cuz I was pretty mad, Thanks eds.

18 Aug 2012 18:16:39
This is not a rumour just a thought. Reflection on todays game, first half we played okay and shoulld have scored, second half apart from a terrible decision on the first pen and with agger being sent off, the second one was sloppy play by skrtl, honestly would accept 15 million for skrtl and buy a replacement not a big fan off skrtl, everyone except allen pepe and suarez apart from his finishing was terrible today, downing is awful, borini should not have started, if carrol is gunna be sold get it over and done with buy an out and out striker with suarez on one side and dempseywalcott or whatever the signing will be. Bring on city YNWA

18 Aug 2012 18:16:35
For me Rafa's boldness and stubbornness were his biggest good points but also his downfall, he was also good in the market.

Hodgson was too stubborn and bought us mainly useless players. He also had negative play without counter attack.

Dalgish only had passion and wasn't great in the market and was too stubborn.

Rodgers has a good playing style but lacks the players to make it happen either he changes the players or the style. Also not bold enough to leave out carra and cole, 1 is past it 1 is not good enough.

For me the perfect manager should have passion, be bold enough to make key decisions and be stubborn to a degree, you also have to be clever in the transfer market and have a brand of football and be articulate and most importantly win matches.
The truth is there are few managers like this so lets leave the management how it is at the minute.

But a a top 4 club you need top 4 players, not spearing and adam or cole.

Also many a time bringing in players you worked with before hasn't been succesful can only think of konchesky for now.

There are 13 days left of the window and we certainly need more players.

Lil Red

Spearing, Cole, Adam, Henderson, Carroll, Downing, Borini, Enrique and a past it Gerrard r not top 4 players. Sadly, neither is Suarez.

Sick of this rubbish about suarez, he is our one and only world class player, over this season he will be our saviour on countless occasions

Also a manager must have the bottle to drop players after a poor performance,this includes Stevie G,quite a few could do with a kick up the harris,players should have to earn the right to play,gonna take time by the looks of things.

18 Aug 2012 18:16:24
! Benitez reign will look like Gold in modern football let's be honest Liverpool won't finish top4 for few years. In modern football money talks bullsh*t walks as much as we call chelsea plastic club or man city Glory-hunters in reality we have become the biggest joke in world football.anyways wellcome brendan rodgers to liverpool and real world. Some fans were comparing Rodgers to shanks plz Stop it its insult to greats like shanks and paisley no one and I mean no one can be like BILL SHANKLY OR BOB PAISLEY

Kopite

I agree, don`t compare BR to shanks and benitez`s reign will be like gold, 3 years ago we were taking REAL MADRID to the cleaners 5 - 0 on agg, what a contrast !

Kenny was just as great as either manager

18 Aug 2012 18:13:55
I admit to be being excited when Joe Cole signed, but to be honest, he didn't get off to a great start and it hasn't gotten any better. Today he committed the cardinal sin. I'm sure the manager would have asked him if he was 100% ( only player knows ) he clearly wasn't and should have said so. Black mark Joe !

Joe Cole has been a walking wounded cum spent force for years. We were just muggs for buying him.

18 Aug 2012 18:12:12
At least I am not the only one who believes this: phildowdisaperson.com. How does the EPL even justify still employing a muppet yesman like PHIL DOWD??

18 Aug 2012 18:12:06
Not looking forward to carragher vs aguero/ tevez next weekend. Hope rogers has a plan cb cover I don't know about

What games does agger miss ?

Coates hopefully
Tommy.

18 Aug 2012 17:39:19
There comes a day when every player can't do whats expected of him,Now Mr Liverpool should not be a automatic choice,This fella is now livin off carrying liverpool fc on his black the last 10 years,BUT,that shouldn't mean your names on the team sheet first,after todays display,he shouldn't start the next match,He knows now,if fit,he starts,thats no way to manage a team.....play sh_t your dropped....And carra,shouldn't even be on the bench....

Very true mate. Gerrard is past it. So is carra. as true liverpool fans, they should step down n give way for the other players. Gerrard would make a good impact sub.
Indian Buzzer

Thats what weve been saying about lampard, they deserve the respect off the field and with the history of both players fr thr clubs. but if thy dont perform why do they always get the nod god only knowss

Midfield 3 of Lucas, Allen & Shelvey. Hendo impact sub (not sure how much impact, but least he cans till run).

18 Aug 2012 17:39:13
Let's reserve any judgement about BR for the first 10 games. Remember Arsenal last year, nobody expected them to make a comeback and they finished third. For crying out loud, it's only the first fugging game, could you use a bit of common sense and calm down !!

Where is our van persie to score sitters... Suarez is great but he is no goal poacher. If we dont get a striker is will be the second half of last season all over again. We are no arsenal to come back when we're down.

Arsenal only managed a come because other teams were so bad they let them back in

Bottom 3 after 10 games.... wait for it.
What then?

18 Aug 2012 17:38:27
Borinis young gona take time to get used to physical prem leauge. For Gods sake Fenway give Rodgers cash for Top quality forward

For god sake bring BENITEZ BACK

Cash! spends since henry took over
25m suarez
35m carroll
16m henderson
20m downing
12m adam
6m enrique
6m coates
15m allen
12m borini

thats 147m since january 2011. not good

18 Aug 2012 18:10:08
firstly lucas didnt play as the deepest of the three midfielders today, he played alongside allen with spacein between them

lucas needs to own that central holding spot by himself with twwo other midfielders in advance of him

itsnot rocket science

18 Aug 2012 18:10:04
We in the market for a striker Ed's? Not being dispondant but we need a proven goal scorer, Suarez has again proved he cannot finish for love nor money.

Thanks

RedsMatt {Ed006's Note - dont know. I am so depressed right now I cant see a top striker wanting to come after today.}

18 Aug 2012 18:06:23
Carragher is no longer a premiership defender and imo would struggle to at Championship level.Steven Gerrard should of come off before Lucas.Joe Cole would catch a virus if he walked passed a puddle.These three players were all world class and get my respect,but all three are way past their best.I would play Gerrard but I wouldn't Keep him on the pitch in a defensive role.

18 Aug 2012 18:05:33
We lost.

We were unfortunate.

Hopefully better days ahead.

Season is 38 games NOT 1.

Oh and we might/will lose again but we will definitely be challenging for at least 4th spot.

Get real guys.

YNWA-SA

Great post

Hans

We won't challenge for top4 for at least 3years . {Ed002's Note - It is the priority for the owners now.}

We won't challenge for top4 for at least 3years . {Ed002's Note - It is a priority for the owners this season.}

Lol 4th spot. what have you been smoking

arsenal, tottenham, chelsea, newcastle, even everton will be challenging

be realistic, bottom half is where you will finnish. brendan rodgers is da best manager in da league. lol

Unfortunate is not quite the right word. Baring a few, we were crap and WBA were the deserved winners.

Ref to ed02 , if that is owners priority,they need a new manager and to spend another£150 million.

Re: red to ed02 comment

John Henry! So glad to hear your take on today's results! Why'd you hire Brendan to judge him on one game?

18 Aug 2012 18:05:28
A new style of play takes time to click.
So chill guys.
YNWA

RedMachine

Blah blah blah... here comes the cavalry. Let me guess, "we building" or "next season will be our season"

I am so depressed. Same boring uncreative play in the final third as last year. Suarez needs to learn to shoot, pass and do something other than a nutmeg. Lets hope Assaidi can beat a man....

18 Aug 2012 18:03:56
Im praying carra does not start ahead of coates next week, coz if he does, im expecting a 1-4 defeat at citeh's hands. If he cant handle lukaku, whats he gonna do against aguero, tevez n co?
Indian Buzzer

You are spot on Buzzer.He should be put out to pasture.We will always struggle for pace.Lukaku was soon put on by Clarke to get at Carragher.Other fans don't believe he still gets a game,Neville had the honesty to give it up.Come on Jamie, for the good of the club mate,retire. You have nothing more to prove,we love you,but enough's enough.

18 Aug 2012 18:03:45
My wife just asked " Did Liverpool play today?" I had to be honest "No" I said.
And before you ask, Yes, I am a Liverpool fan of over 50 years and a very frustrated one at that.

18 Aug 2012 18:02:38
Okay, so todays game was disapointing.

But, you know what's more disapointing? Many of our 'so called fans/supporters' are calling for Brendan's head already!

I mean come on! After 1 damn game?!

Also, I see the 'Bring Rafa Back Bridage' are in town again! Smh!

K.Bennett

Rafa should have never been sacked. Assess his whole 6 seasons at Liverpool and you can see why. BR will be given time lets see if he can use it efficiently.

Couldn't agree more mate especially about the "I love Rafa" clueless brigade

Chris in Tamworth

Leave Rodgers alone, he is a good bloke and will grow into the role. But for heavens sake, PLZ can we buy a few pacy skillful fwd's up front!!!!!!!!

Kenny should have never been sacked end of:

18 Aug 2012 18:02:25
Eds, can you create a page, labelled "Post-match abuse after a Liverpool loss"? It would be very much appreciated.

Piledriver {Ed006's Note - Im affraid they just go into banter. Its a good job we dont have that page or I would flood it at the moment.}

18 Aug 2012 18:01:21
Wher are all my posts

1 of them is here
Robbie

18 Aug 2012 17:27:11
Disagree with the part that we were doing fine. Perhpaps for the first half hour we were. Then we decided to play hoof ball again. Things can only get better...

Keith YNWA

18 Aug 2012 17:25:33
If you are "ashamed" to be a Liverpool supporter, you are free to go ahead and support someone else. We are Liverpool, we'll turn this around. Come on the Reds!

Jack D.

It's not about being ashamed,it's about so called football people at our club thinking they know our club .alot of us last year said we only need another top striker,but once again the owners know best and completely change the club.

18 Aug 2012 17:25:03
First time poster, dont panic!! Only the first game, we not gonna win the league this year anyway, yes we should of beat west brom but they won't be pushing for top four, as long as we beat the teams that will be pushing for the top four at home and at least take points from them away from home we'll do just fine. The players like previous seasons need to take a good hard look at themselves and stop hiding behind the manager.
Ballymac baz.

18 Aug 2012 17:24:46
can't believe aggers card waste of money hope it improves keep the faith ynwa

18 Aug 2012 17:24:44
It's a shame because we played well until they scored a wonder goal. You can't account for those. If, buts and maybe's again but I think if I had to choose between mid-table and playing some football and top 6 playing negatively then I'd choose the football. We haven't got a prayer of top 4 people - please accept this. We simply don't have the players. Massive investment would be needed for this, not the players we have brought in.

Good luck Brendan though. I think we will see some nice football this year.

I still see a winger who can commit defenders is going to be vital - but I was saying that 4 years ago! And so were many others!

Gazman

18 Aug 2012 17:24:41
Possibly the most gutless Liverpool performance I have seen in 40 years of being a fan. Second to every ball. No imagination. Defensively awful Not helped by awful refereeing but to blame dowd would be ridiculous. Sorry to say this, but I think gerrard may be past it - and is a truly crap captain even if he is not. I guess we get to see what BR is like now, after a performance like this he has to get them back on track immediately! I think if any if the players had any decency about them they would give their wages to charity - without exception they were a disgrace to the shirt today.

18 Aug 2012 17:24:26
'You are not famous anymore' were d stingin words hurled towards us by d home fans .really embarrasing performance .utter disgrace. We need to act quickly in the market otherwise it will be a hard lng season....
Utterly dissapointed red horse.

18 Aug 2012 17:24:00
My God...one game played...one lost...we'll never win the league now...we've got no chance. The manager should be sacked...NOW...the team are not good enough and I'm dreading this season. This manager should make an immediate impact and not one of a progressive, patient nature. FSG are a disgrace...they don't care...Ian Ayre is an person for some unknown reason and our away support today was woeful. I won't be able to sleep tonight. My heart aches after this loss. Our club (with the tens of million support and full house attendances) is sinking into the realms of pitiful darkness. Rodgers out!!!!!!!

DaveyBootle

Yeah, lets rather put our heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine and we will still finish in top 4 (which is the minimum criteria from owners). Yes, u r a "true supporter".....

Reel them in, reel them in. Don't come on here often, do you? That post was aimed at all the glory hunting plastic supporters. I support my manager regardless of form. That was was tongue-in-cheek aimed at the fickle plastics.

DaveyBootle

18 Aug 2012 17:23:51
Really bad day but it all started well nd were unable to finish,,Suarez needs practice in being calm not snatch at chances...only changes required is not to play cole,downing nd Jamie nd most important bring in Dempsey nd sahin nd play sterling instead of cole or downing at least he will learn for future,,bring left back so glen on right nd Kelly central.... It's start of season nd can't really tell you how I feel as I live nd work 2 miles away from west brom nd all office workers are west brom supporters but I'm gonna take all rubbish because I love Liverpool nd we will never walk alone...let's carry on supporting team in bad times nd good times will come..constructive criticism is fine just don't be depressing..show support nd encourage club to buy right players for club

Harry old bury

18 Aug 2012 18:01:40
What annoyed me most about BR today was the small time mentality he showed - 1-0 down facing a penalty and we bring on another defender. Why? if they had gone 2-0 nil up then why were we bringing a defender on?

Carrol should have been brought on and we should have gone for it

We had a defender sent off and Downing was terrible anyways!

18 Aug 2012 18:01:32
The players were awful today, yes the ref may have made a few mistakes, but the players were awful regardless. It's just one game, get over it it's one of them. Look to the next game, whoever it is.

18 Aug 2012 18:01:22
One game, one defeat but bearing in mind i think we have only won the opening game of the season twice out of the last ten now, its not a big surprise, so its annoying but nothing new and of course it hurts as does every defeat, but lets see where we are after 15 games, one thing that does concern me though is Liverpool are slow, no pace at all and we have been for a long time, we have not had a decent player who runs at defenders since Mcmanaman. it is worrying when you have to rely on wonder goals from Suarez and Gerrard every game coz its not gonna happen every game. i would throw this new winger in all day, dont know if he is any good but apparently has pace to burn, immediately defenders are on the back foot.

cobra

18 Aug 2012 18:00:59
gerrard was awful today ,kept giving the ball away also why does he think he has to take all free kicks corners etc only decent delivery from a set piece was allens corner and that ref was shocking how that thug olsson never get booked for elbowing saurez , borini and carrol is beyond me and why is carragher anywhere near the team he is finished and should just retire ,he's slower than a wet week , desperate performance !!

18 Aug 2012 18:00:22
Honestly what is wrong with everyone?
Do u actually expect us to finish in the top4? WE WILL FINISH 6TH OR 7TH, mark my words.
We r just at the beginning of a new project which will take time to implement. Remember barca, the mancs? They all took more than 5 years to build a foundation which is winning them so many trophies. Our club is not ready for champions league football, and wont be for the next couple of years. Im sure we will improve, but the evolution will be slow and painful. Those who r willing to be patient can stay, the rest can go get lost and support the mancs or chelski.
Indian Buzzer

I agree we will finish 6th or 7th at best but the reason people are so pi**ed off is we were so gutless and just rolled over, it was just like last season when we just didn't want it enough. Not one player had a decent game today and that's really worrying, it's like they really couldn't give a hoot if they win or lose and as a fan, to see that is absolutely infuriating. The amount of terrible simple mistakes from so-called top players is an embarrassment. They should all have their wages stopped for a month.

18 Aug 2012 17:58:48
Next up Man City, Arsenal, United, and bogey team Sunderland away, Jeez we are gonna have to up our game plan fast, otherwise the wheels could be off the cart before it even gets going.

Sid

18 Aug 2012 17:56:55
hopefully we sell carroll and possibly agger to get a new forward , creative midfielder + Center Back
centre back Ambrorieta sorry for spelling
Creative Midfielder , prefferibly Alonso but unlikely so maybe sahin and honda or any possibilty of Danny from Zenit?
And then a goalscorer such as Klass jan huntelaar or llorente

Cheers Zincho

18 Aug 2012 17:56:07
Sack the manager and assistant and bring in Rodgers.

The assistant manager goes to west brom and in the same amount of time it takes Rodgers to turn us into a joke our ex assistant manager is capable of turning WBA into a team capable of beating Liverpool 3-0.

Why does Rodgers need more time than Clarke? Would Mourinho, Fergy, Wenger, Redknapp, Moyes etc having been given 6 weeks and £30m have got spanked by WBA 3-0? No. For that matter would Kenny or Hodgson? No!

I think you have a very short memory when it comes to how bad we played under Kenny and Woy at times.

So would you swap our squad for west broms? thought not!

Totally agree, Clarke has spent less money too. If Steve can get his so called lower grade players playing and in less time too, what excuses can all the Rodgers/FSG sycophants offer now!

Tellno

What, so after one game you're calling for his head? What a truly pathetic attitude. I hate the scum, but a certain Alex Ferguson was said to fail when he first started, he's now one of the greatest managers of all time. We've had one loss, fair play. The team is a work in progress, what Liverpool DONT need is 'fans' such as yourself crying out like BR is a shambles after just NINETY MINUTES OF THE SEASON. Get a grip of yourself. Absolutely sick to the back teeth of this same rubbish spouted on here. It was a terrible result, but we need to move on and show some support.

JFT 96

JP

What do you mean you were already a joke

Pardoe

Short memory? Think you'll find in the first half we played just like we did so many times last season. Battered the team with possession and for all the huffing and puffing scored 0 and conceded. Like we did in so many games last season.

As for would I swap squads? No. But that's my point. Rodgers, with the superior squad got spanked by a manager who has had the same amount of time to prepare.

Your arguments are backing my point. Oh and I thought the new manager was supposed to progress us not just "well it's no worse" actually it's worse!!

We didn't play bad under kenny , the players lets us down. but we averaged 20 shots a game last year today 2 on target .tika taka football will never work in the prem just look at arsenal the best playing team in the league win .

That's why barca turn over english teams 99.9 % of the times in champions league?!

Jordan {Ed002's Note - Rubbish. Chelsea have three wins to Barcelona's two with five draws.}

I think you may find that the 60-70 goals Messi scores each season helps Barca to a lot of points.

How much does Messi earn? £250k a week. Van Persie a 30-40 goal a season man £200k a week. Aguero £250k etc etc to play tiki taka you need to be clinical. You need top strikers you need to score.

Saurez is our highest earner on £120k a week. A massive amount to us normal people. Enough to convince a top striker? Not a chance. We're Gunna get the same out of BR for his entire career. Mid table.

Truth is he could get us to were arsenal are but no more and would take a long time to get there. The fans simply won't give him the 5 years he'll need.

Needs more time due to olympics and euros cuz his players are good enough to be there.

It's a shame the original poster's question was asked rhetorically for the purpose of bringing down Rodgers.

18 Aug 2012 17:57:55
A lot of people havn a go at the people slating the team today, football is about opinions plus you have been saying for 4 years stick by the team an we are still here! Each year is a step back that's why every1 is so frustrated.be realistic then where do you see us finish this season??
Kp

It's ok to have an opinion but to absolutly slate the team after 1 game is ridiculous. I like to think most fans know a little about football but some on here haven't a clue. If we had won today the same people would be saying how fantastic Rodgers is and how we're going to win the league.

Bilverstone

18 Aug 2012 17:53:58
I have not seen the match but like all LFC supporters was looking forward to the start of the season and to see how BR would do and secretly thinking we may be the suprise package this year
( doh!) This sounds like car crash.

The problem with BR may be later on when it gets really tough is that he has no credentials, no medals to put on the table as a player or a manager.

Anyway it can only get better ? I hope

Need a proper centre forward with pace and can stick the round bally thing in the big netty thing right now. Hopefully it will give them all a massive kick up the arse.

Stupid of me to be so optimistic, I shall shroud myself in the comforting blanket of gloom again for another year. Has anybody got Rafa's telephone number?

Red wool

18 Aug 2012 17:52:29
Guys, just remember who lost their first division game 4-0....

Bill Shankly. And look what he did and where he took us.

Stop being negative and back BR. I certainly do right now.

LFCBilly

18 Aug 2012 17:52:15
Lets just stop with the negativity because all it does is it makes it worse. Just remember "If you dont support us when we then dont support us when lohese". Simple

Cheers

Sam

Errrrmmmm.......

18 Aug 2012 17:51:57
Don't blame Rodgers, he's had no time to build a team yet. Blame extremely poor individual performances from Gerrard, Suarez, Downing, Kelly etc. Allen was probably our best player today, and borini belongs up front not out wide.

Playing Hearts will be a blessing; we were awful and are so far away from being a tiki taka team.

Suarez was not poor

I think your underestimating hearts and we can't do that anymore. Those days are well an truly over. Every game is a big game from now on. I hope downing gets that because he is running out of time. Cole doesnt deserve the red shirt. How does he get injured in a game but in training he's fine... Go back to west ham...please

Are you kidding? Suarez was terrible. He missed at least 3 pretty easy chances and seems to have forgotten how to pass. Him and Gerrard were far and away the biggest problems today. Suarez needs to go out right and Stevie, legend though he is, perhaps needs to not be the first name on the team sheet.

18 Aug 2012 17:51:55
Some over reaction on here but it was a poor performance. Allen looked assured in possession. Im a bit muffed as to why suarez was playing through the middle and borini out wide. Suarez' finishing has been poor for a while but his hugely creative in the wide areas. Borini just looks better suited in the central role of the front three. Haven't seen Gerrard that poor for a long long while.

I'm sure BR isn't finished in the transfer market so I wouldn't get too disheartened.

Amz

18 Aug 2012 17:51:20
Dalglish's football was more attack minded and we adveraged 15 shots at goal compared to the mere 9 today.
Maybe FSG made a boo boo.
I guess it was one way Steve Clarke got to put up two fingers to our owners.
Well done west brom and to Steve Clarke today

Rafa come home

Yeh and bring Xabi and Crouchy with you, wait a minute you get rid of good players don't you Rafa! Reality check the good ok days amounted to 15 mins in Istanbul.

18 Aug 2012 17:50:07
More bad news, Alex song is on his way to barca for a figure in the reigon of £16 mill. Sahin will move to arsenal on a season long loan with an option to buy at the end of it. Real Madrid will sell to arsenal if alonso stays at Madrid (next summer).

18 Aug 2012 17:50:04
Bad performance today, but I believe in what BR is trying to do in his style of play all we need is a clinical finisher some one like Soldado or Damiao to kill of games early.
Skurks

18 Aug 2012 17:48:56
I've never posted on here before but i felt the need to say something. Watching all these 'fans' condemn our new manager and players after one game is infuriating, it was always going to take time to fully implement Rodgers' system and a loss to a good team in the premier league isn't the end of the world. Having watched the game I can say i felt we played fairly well in the first half and were unlucky not to take the lead. It was one moment of brilliance that changed the game and swung it in WBA's favour which made Liverpool have to come forward more in the second half which we did well for a few minutes. For those minutes we pressured and won the ball back quickly and created a few chances and looked very lively. Long then goes through after a defensive slip (literally) and gets a pen and Agger sent off. The game was always going away from us at this point. WBA were dominant after their second penalty (having missed the first) and scored one more as heads started to drop and we suffered from losing a man. However for a lot of the second half we had over 70% possesion and Allen played well. Suarez was lacking the final finish but looked lively beating WBA's defenders several times in the first half.
I'm not saying we deserve something from the game because we didn't but what I am saying is that as the club with supposedly the best fans in the world everyone at the club deserves our full support at all time. That's what being a good fan is, it's easy to sing loud when you're winning, it's harder to keep the faith after loosing. You'd have to be an person to write off Liverpool and condemn us to a bad season after one game.
I'll leave a user name as that seems to be the done thing.

Fergus_Red

And if we lose the next game, will I be allowed to voice my concerns then, or will I be expected to maintain patience like a good little lap-fan and also the the same the game after and so on. Its the guys who have been shouting off the give it time and a bad day office nonsense for the last two decades that are the ones who need to get a grip. We are going nowhere and have been doing it wonderfully for years, open your furry eyes.

Jed

In the nicest way possible Jed I think you're a bit deluded. What do you think we should do? Sack Rodgers right now? Get rid of the whole team. The fact is that we simply are not the team we once were, that's the reason we went downhill, other teams got better we got worse and one thing has remained the same, that's the support of the club. It's much easier to be negative as you are than positive. There are a lot of people pointing out problems with LFC right now but not a lot suggesting solutions. We are where we are, we're getting on with it and trying to do better and improve. If you're a fan that's not getting behind the team and thinking what's best for the club you're not a fan at all.
P.S no disrespect.

Fergus_Red

18 Aug 2012 17:48:54
tottenham and arsenal had started very badly last season and look were they ve finished so plz get behind the team and the manager. YNWA

18 Aug 2012 17:48:21
Hi eds can I expect this site to be this pessimistic after every game we lose? I'm disappointed as I'm sure every Liverpool fan is but the things that get posted on this site is unbelievable?! Calling for BR head after one game! Come on get a grip guys and start supporting your team {Ed002's Note - After every game lost or drawn typically.}

18 Aug 2012 17:46:49
Now that Song is on hhis way to Barca we will find out Monday where Sahin wants to play.
YNWA

How has the song deal got anything to do with sahin, barcarole and real are two different clubs {Ed002's Note - I suspect he was alluding to a space opening up in the Arsenal squad.}

He will 100% go to the gooners, wenger even said in his interview that he wanted to bring another CM in and it would be a passer

18 Aug 2012 17:45:36
To the mourners,

Yes, I agree, we are a mediocre team at the moment. Yes we played crap in the second half. Yes, we lacked the finisher. And yes, BR did not have a clue as to what he was doing. But, do you think you can bring a change in a summer.

Some facts -
Shankly took time to build the great liverpool we were.
Barcelona took 4-5 years to perfect their tiki-taka.

And you know what helped them bring the change successfully - the support from the fans who stood their together in loss and victory. Who cheered and cheered their team through thick and thin, and never jeered their team.

When you are appointed as a manager in your work, and you make a loss or negative performance in the beginning, are you all fired? Get a grip guys.

I think it is a blessing in disguise, as now the team knows they still have to learn to finish. Also, this could make BR rethink about Carroll.

Anyways, the first half football was great.

Let you mourners make a new forum for yourself to slate the team.

'When you walk through the storm
hold your head up high
and don't be afraid of the dark
at the end of the storm
theres a golden sky
and the sweet silver song of the lark.'

this is also in the YNWA which everyone claims to put behind their name and mourn.

Come on u reds, lets roll over the blues next sunday.

mgz

mgz

Carroll and Suarez should have learnt to finish when they signed

18 Aug 2012 17:45:32
It's clear to me Suarez is a second striker someone who plays a bit deeper comes gets the ball turns and has options ahead of him

18 Aug 2012 17:45:26
Phil Dowd is from Staffordshire. Didn't West Brom used to be in Staffordhire pre-1974? Maybe he was a boyhood Baggies fan, lol.

18 Aug 2012 17:44:40
IT WAS ONE MATCH! It happens, get over it. Just about everyhting that could have went wrong did. We dominated the first half and went behind to a goal we could do absolutely nothing about, had a soft penalty and red card from phil dowed who is always baised against liverpool and then having got away with one we gave away another. Even right doen to Suarez missing a free header and joe cole coming off, playing for about 5 minutes and having to come off. These things happen especially with a new manager and system and I believe that until the first goal, the way we controlled the game was fantastic and I also believe will come good in upcoming big matches. We still have players to come in and Assaidi could well be the answer to our problems. Keep the faith, remember, Arsenal started so badly last season and lost 8-2 to united and still managed to finish in the top 3. WE will come throught this like Liverpool always do. And to all you "fans" crying, saying we'll be mid table or relegated and calling for Rodgers head after one game can go find another club.

In Rodgers we Trust

YNWA

18 Aug 2012 17:43:36
1st game of the season - very bad start. It was embarassing, I feel quite down at the moment but this is only the 1st game - Rodgers needs time, the players need time (except Downing - one of the worst players who is considered good in the history of football) and we will get better. Am I happy? No. Is this the end of the world? No. Will we get better? Undoubtedly.

I am pessimistic by nature but some of the negative, Rodgers out, reactionary comments on here are 100 times more embarassing than the performance today. Give the new regime a chance, see how things pan out - things will take time, anybody expecting immediate sucess and the 3-0, 4-0, 5-0 romps predicted by sopmeon here earlier today were living in dream land - this reality check might be the best thing for those people. This season is going to be tough and challenging and we will have results that don't go our way.

SMc

18 Aug 2012 17:43:28
Defence- Skrtel and Agger worked very well for us last time, am sure that this is just a one off. But there was no communication at all between them and Reina. I thought Johnson was caught too far forward at times, and in the 2nd half by Kelly, too.

Midfield- Maybe Lucas isn't 100% yet. Either way I thought that the "screen" in front of the defence was non-existent. Allen had a decent debut. Gerrard was just awful. He consistently gave the ball away which placed immense pressure on the defence. I don't think he is out of it yet. But he does need to improve that's for sure. We all talk about ball retention but that obviously failed utterly today. On the bright side, things can only get better...

Attack- Extremely unimpressed with Suarez, Borini and Downing. Suarez had at least 4 shots on target, and at least one should have beeb buried. Borini was anonymous but it's is first league start so he's forgiven, somewhat. Downing is an experienced prem player, no excuses there whatsoever. Every single attack broke down when the ball is passed to him.

Overall- Let's give the players some time to adapt to the new style of play as it is obvious that many haven't done so yet. IMO more worryingly is the lack of commitment. I saw West Brom players winning 50-50s all over the pitch yet saw none of ours do so. Agger, in that situation should have slid in and tackled rather than barge into him.

Sorry for the long post eds

Keith YNWA

18 Aug 2012 17:43:06
Could it be that BR has been watching Blackadder during the summer and this performance is a cunning plan to get some more cash off the owners to buy some decent players!
Really gutted as have looking forward to the new season and seeing some good football and passion. Today unfortunately we had none.
In terms of what we need I really do feel that we need the following: a proven goalscorer, decent back up for left back and a winger with real pace. If we can get these in, ship out the deadwood then I think we can still enjoy a positive season. If we can't then it could be a long season!
Football ahhhhhh makes me so mad and peed off, but when its good it makes you feel great!
JLT

18 Aug 2012 17:42:47
It was one game ffs people if we lose the next ten in a row then start calling for Rodgers head and predicting our inevitable 9th place finish not after one geez really shows how terrible and harshly over judgemental our so called great fans can be sometimes. I'm pissed about today's result as well but some of the posts I'm seeing are over the top ridiculous.

Burmesekraken

18 Aug 2012 17:42:41
LISTEN UP PEOPLE... Dont get me wrong, i'm totally gutted regards todays result. But, we KNOW it's gonna take time and patience regards getting Liverpool playing the way the manager wants us to. A massive dose of reality hit us square in the face today, and the manager will have taken notice. Mark my words folks, this may just prove to be a blessing in disguise. PS, walking alone was never part of the deal Brendon, we are right beside you gaffer...

Stevie.

18 Aug 2012 17:42:00
Staying off this site for a few days...listening to all these crying lil fake fans is embarrassing, first game of the season and they are crying for Rogers head...maybe they should be a age restriction on this site(lord know most of these moaners are acting like kids)...oh wait...X-factor starts tonight..that should keep most of them busy lol

"If you can't support us when we draw or lose, don't support us when we win" Bill Shankly.

Bazingaa

18 Aug 2012 17:36:14
On a positive note were only three points off top of the league!

In 3weeks it will only be 12pts . But hay hoy we will get in the top 4 ...... My arse.

18 aug 2012 17:34:58
we need atleast a striker who is world class and our problem will be solved i hope rodgers can see that or else mid table. we need fire power. higuain is our answer. higuain and suarez all the way to top4 in my opinion thanks

sad fan

He would not come IMO but Soldado or Damiao would be as good.
Skurks {Ed002's Note - But neither will be moving to Liverpool this summer.}

I guessed that Ed but there a bit more realistic than Higuain...
Skurks {Ed002's Note - Dempsey for example.}

Dempsey for me is not an out and out striker though. But I know what you mean he is the most realistic I suppose...
Skurks

18 Aug 2012 17:34:47
i think rodgers miss herd when fsg asked for champions league football as we look like were pushing for championship football

#bants

adamlfc

18 Aug 2012 17:34:41
Now all the so called "fans" are gonna give abuse to the team and manager coz of one bad result! But all of the proper liverpool fans know that we need to stay strong and believe! YNWA
Bol Red {Ed002's Note - This is nothing new, get used to it.}

I did not get chance to listen to the game but seeing the result I must admit I'm gutted!

Well not quite. We have a rather good record of winning the first game of the season, and we tend not to lose 3-0 very often. Last season we beat WBA 2-0. We have a string of very difficult games to come and it will be hard couple of months. We will be in the bottom three at the end of September.

This is not motivated by a desire to slag off the manager. I have an LFC fan for 35 years. Two major problems concern me. First, Roger's insistence that the team needs to learn his style of play - ie. the Swansea way. They did okay last seaosn but LFC expect more. But this is picked up as a passing style of play, as though this is something new to us. The LFC way was built on pass and move, not pass and hold. Second, pass and hold could be aproblem for us as we are so profligate in front of goal - this was our real problem last year. We need more quality firepower and/ or we need to stop letting Carrol languish on the bench.

We also lost at HOME to West brom last year! Just give them some time. Let's see assaidi and get some further transfers in.

18 Aug 2012 17:34:21
why is everybody giving BR the fault? Clearly the players were just aweful, I mean we played the same crap last season, so it cant be the manager alone. I think some players just lack motivation to play at all. Disgraceful performance anyway. Next up: ManCity...

jt

18 Aug 2012 17:34:12
Suarez missed several chances, great player but he aint gona get 25 goals a season. He needs to be wide right with a proven class out and out goalscorer.Loads of us sickve saying it. We actually need two strikers, particularily if Carroll goes. Suarez should be wide right, cutting in.We MUStT get a striker!! First half hour we battered them, same ol same old

18 Aug 2012 17:33:27
I loved it when Lukaku decked Carragher.

18 Aug 2012 17:33:14
Everyone needs to get a grip!

18 Aug 2012 17:32:39
Seriously, this site is for TRUE Liverpool FC supporters. All other people can you please stop posting.

WBA won due to a fantastic goal, and due to an embarrising effort by the ref.
I cant remember when LFC won a game with this PHil Doooowd.

No matter what happens, BR, YNWA

West brom won because liverpool didn't score more than them.. Simples!

Please stop blaming the referee. iT'S THE PLAYERS

It was clearly a penalty

Being critical does not mean someone is not a true Liverpool supporting. what an absurd thing to say. We did indeed batter them and also had the majority of possession, but th efcat remain WBA should have been beaten. Two penalities and a capitulation suggests ongoing problems and we have all our main rivals over the next month. In my view a decision needs to be mad eon carroll, sell him or play him. Either way, we need a lot more firepower and more class in the final third. Pass and hold on top of our weakness in the final third is not the way to go.

Yes it was indeed the players, but Mr Dowd had a bit of a wobbler today as well.

Im a true liverpool fan and today was disgusting ...liverpool were clueless .....fact!

18 Aug 2012 17:32:29
I said a week ago that some fans were being disrespectful of WBA. I pointed out that they had made some astute signings (I actually commented on how good a player I believed Yacob to be).
Rodgers now needs to be as astute in the next week with a couple of signings of his own.
One of them MUST be a goalscorer

Chris in Tamworth

Astute astute we were crap....

18 Aug 2012 17:31:59
i like to slate as much as the rest of you but we looked good 11v11. Suarez was electric but cant finish his dinner. I didnt rate allen neither but he didnt kick a ball away the whole game. I think he is an excellent signing.

18 Aug 2012 17:31:56
Well a bad performance but I really can't see much difference in the way we played for the first 40mins and the way we used to play under Kenny
HARSH

Well a 2-0 scoreline in this game last year is one big difference!

18 Aug 2012 17:31:35
to have the likes of joe cole playing for us is a joke hes awful

18 Aug 2012 17:31:19
can anyone tell me if Borini and allen played for lfc against WBA. so this is BR tika tika football? maybe 10th place is a good bet.

18 Aug 2012 17:31:11
Rodgers ur just like kenny excuses aint gna help we wer soo crap u need t wake up lad buy a striker n play carrol u muppet
Basy

18 Aug 2012 17:30:42
People give stick to me but I don't care..

And even today some people saying the likes of Cole needs to be playing becaz he want to stay and fight for his place. 90K per week can't stand 10 minutes on the pitch.. shame he is ahead of Sterling! #enoughsaid

We have some hard things to swallow though we don't believe that..

- Jamie Carragher needs to hang his boots, see the way LUkaku owned him, can't imagine how he would stand against the likes of Aguero, Tevez next week.

Coates should be ahead of him all day long.

- And we have JAy Spearing, people saying he is a good squad player, lol he has no chance of being a squad player at any top BPL club.

- Stewart Downing, same old same old....

- Lack of fire power upfront, Suarez is no prolific striker, Borini is not up to it, we know the story with Carroll.

- Stevie G is not the player he was any more, we need better quality at CM, Shelvey Hendo not yet ready. Adam not good enough, Spearing useless, Allen settling in, LUcas recovering.

Look, I don't have any problem with BR, and he needs time but at the same time he needs to make certain changes [get rid of Cole, Adam, Spearing, put CArra where he belong], Yonks need to give him money. Not much but some more at least....

And look at Swansea today, that Michu lead for 3M now thats a bargain.. wonder why LFC can't get such players.

ACCEPT the FACT! Kenny DALGLISH and Commoli HAS PUT LFC back years with the MONEY WASTED ON DOWNING, CARROLL & HENDERSON. WE NEED THAT MONEY NOW... AND THE WASTED MONEY IS NOW COSTING US
SO now he saying in his articles how good signings Podolski, Cazorla, Girould are.. why didn't he move for them... KING SUCH A SHAME!

I can't see us getting more than 2/3 points form the first 5 games, we were screwed and it's against WEStBrom...

But there is still time left in the window hurry up BR, sell Carroll, Cole, Adam, Spearing, get a striker, Sahin / CM and Dempsey...

IF NOT, you all mark my words, TOP 10 RECKONS FOR US MAXIMUM.

SULK

Though the road ahead looks bleak, Wish my team & BR good luck for the tough season....

Bosco
A WARNER NOT A MOANER

Eds, have you doctored
the word 'WARNER'? Is it like 'person'?
Will we now hear the chant 'the referees a warner'?

BigBadBen

18 aug 2012 17:29:59
i honestly don't know why i bothered coming on this site after todays game.

alright we lost but there are a few positives there. if we start calling for br's head where does that leave us!? give the man and the team a break!

it's the first game of a long season!

realistic red

18 Aug 2012 17:29:50
All this re build s ite-two new players, rest vast experience=Disgrace {Ed002's Note - There have been three new players so far.}

18 Aug 2012 17:27:23
0 goals scored, 1 man sent off, 2 penalties given away, 3 goals conceded and a defeat, yep, Liverpool's 2012/13 Premier League campaign is officially underway!

Adam

As a red and a big 1 at that, i am disgraced and ashamed a the level of skill and commitment by our players today. I would have tried alot harder then more than half our players and wouldnt have stopped running untill i was on the sideline throwing up. People on here moaning about Joe Allen???? I thought he was our best player today. Steven Gerrard you have bin my favourite player for a long time that performance by you was shocking and if your not gonna chase back when you lose it then leave!!!

Thanks for that Adam.

18 Aug 2012 17:13:35
ok Eds, give us your view on that please {Ed002's Note - I have told you all before, it is just a game. Liverpool will lose other games. Suck it up and move on.}

I wish i could suck it up Eds but that is a major setback, there`s no getting away from that and it`s going to get harder

Major setback? Wow I'd hate to see what you would have thought of H&G bringing us into administration,

18 Aug 2012 17:13:10
Remined me of the game we lost to Spurs last season.
Sending off was turning point, second pen decision was
awful though Skirtal fecked or someone should have shouted man on Carager special in order. Carager on bench instead of Coates - big?WTF.

Anyway, early days yet, Arsenal had a rubbish start to season last time and still did ok. Its only the first game.

18 Aug 2012 17:12:48
dont blame him after todays performance.... :/

18 Aug 2012 17:12:32
brendan rodgers and his system can shove it up his arse!! hes not good enough he never have been, do you know why allen and borini signed, cos he cant attract top players, the tool couldnt draw flies. please please sack him or this season will be a disaster!!

redlips

18 Aug 2012 17:12:22
what a load of rubbish. had been offered a ticket for the wba game so glad i never went. What on earth do you call that rodgers ,that is probably the worst opening display I have seen for a long time and to a team expected to fight for survival. At this rate we would be lucky to finish 9th. Most of you will say so what its his first game yet he had tried to work everything up as if he was a managerial icon or something like that well frankly swansea look 100X better since he left unfortunately for us. I will stand by what I always thought of his appointment as a manager as being a terrible choice and I really couldnt care if he gets us champions league footall this year which we have a better chance of getting lionel messi. You may think Im not A fan of LFC but a randomer just slagging of the team but I can guarantee you that I am not I am a passionate liverpool fc fan and have always been and always will be.

YNWA 1892

Rays Of Red

Your right you are not a passionate liverpool fan. You said it yourself.

Enough said.

JD

18 Aug 2012 17:12:06
Well bad start yes... But come on people...
All season over stuff depressing... On the plus surely it cant get worse YNWA

Rickblfc...

Well you have obviously not been looking at the fixture list for the next 6 weeks!

Derek

Lfc always start slowly for some reason and the year they didnt they ended up with 86 points. i think 70 points would be a great season.

18 Aug 2012 17:12:06
We are gunna struggle this year! Very small side and still very very slow the compete opposite to what the premier league requires.long long season ahead.
I also wanted loudrup from the start but we will see.
Kp

18 Aug 2012 17:12:00
What a bunch of useless muppets....no not my beloved liverpool all you glory hunting fairweather so called fans. BR needs time to get his ideas over to the players and to get his own players in. Give the man a chance. BillBobJoeKenny

18 Aug 2012 17:11:33
well suarez was shoking and so was dowd

18 Aug 2012 17:11:21
That was very very very unacceptable today

18 Aug 2012 17:18:22
I guess there are not many of us that are happy with the heaviest defeat of the season but look on the bright side with 37 games to go we are still only a point behind 4th place chasing Arsenal

Southern Monk

18 Aug 2012 17:17:21
Can't believe people calling from Brendan rogers head already you so called fans really wind me up go find another club to support.

Bangor eye dave

18 Aug 2012 17:15:53
todays performance was woeful, we were outplayed, slow and no real chances created.

we need talent and not a player who can only pass sidewards ( allen) , skrtel looked slow and stiff..............

:/

thanks great site

18 Aug 2012 17:14:32
Can't believe some of the comments on this site from so called Liverpool fans. Yes after looking forward to the season all summer and then getting beat by WBA, it is a really disapointing start but lets remember it's the 1st game you can't expect Rogers to get his idea's across in 6 weeks, as much as we wan't success now, this may take at least a season if not more to happen.
Thought we looked ok til the sending off , and the 2 pens were very harsh and killed the game off. we then left ourselfs open by trying to get back in the game.
Think some people need to remember that we support Liverpool not just when we win but when we lose as well. As for slating some of the new players after 1 came, get a grip.
Hopefully any sucess we have in the future you won't be celebrating because you don't deserve to be.

Bilverstone
YNWA ( YOULL NEVER WALK ALONE ) and when I sing this I mean it.
JFT96

Well what are his ideas?
Football is a simple game where 2 teams of 11 men go head to head to endeavour to score more goals than the opposition.
Because we have a new manager does that mean that players cant go out and play football as they have all their lives and have to play tiki taki and watch the opposition outplay them.

Derek

18 Aug 2012 17:23:05
Poor

18 Aug 2012 17:22:28
Does anyone knows Pep Giordola(spelling) phone no.J.W.Henry is asking for it. ON A SERIOUS NOTE THIS PERFORMANCE COULD BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE.I HOPED MR.HENRY IS WATCHING THE GAME AND REALISE THAT MORE FUND IS NEEDED TO BRING THE RIGHT PLAYERS BEFORE TRANSFER WINDOW CLOSE. SENIOR PLAYERS WERE AWFUL TONITE .FACT.

18 Aug 2012 17:22:22
Bring back RAFA BENITEZ!

18 Aug 2012 17:22:00
bring back RAFA we may have played boring but we won matches.
Swansea get Laudrap free we pay Swansea £7m for mr tika toka t1.1AT

18 Aug 2012 17:20:29
That was a bad day at the office and any team down to 10 men and having a ref award 2 pens against u are never going to look world beaters. West brom did us over and now lets hope the manager and owners react by bringing in players quickly. That loss may be the catalyst we need to get some action in the transfer market. Gutted about the result and the display but we need support the club. Transfer window is open still, please let some decent players come in and shake up the team. Sadly, Gerrard may need pass the armband to some one else. He has been such an amazing player for us, in my opinion the best, but maybe rather than playing the full 90mins, 45 mins of a fresh stevie G would be better.

Pass the armband to who? carra is past it as well, reina can't influence as much from the back, agger too injury prone otherwise my choice that leaves lucas and suarez.
Lucas has the determination and suarez has more ability. For me lucas should be made vice captain but gerrard vice captain.

18 Aug 2012 17:20:14
A Forest fan here - with a softspot for lfc...so hopefully objective. Dowd was shocking, 2nd pen was, if anything a foul on Skrtel. But, my word Liverpool were rubbish. Borini was a waste of space, Allen average. The concern I'd have is that Rodgers took off the liverpool old boys and kept the Swansea boys on even when Borini was the worst player on the pitch (did 3 things all game two of which were giving the ball straight to WBA players). Reading some of the comments here about first game, give them time, blah blah. Absolute rubbish. Lukaku was playing his first game, Clarke was managing his first game etc (remeber you guys have already played 2 competitive games!). Rodgers looked liked a stunned mullet. Signed the wrong players. Simple. Last point; just how good was Rafa?

18 Aug 2012 17:20:13
Guys first week get a grip!

This is going to take time. Very unlucky, pens very harsh. We were doing well until the wonder goal

Get Dempsey in and aisaidi get a game instead of lead footed downing. We WILL improve. Accept it. Get over it. Move on

Jarred

18 Aug 2012 17:20:03
Don't panic guys,, we got the tough one outta the way,, it's only Man City next week

Kerry Red

18 Aug 2012 17:19:22
Chin up. We're one point behind Arsenal and either Spurs or Newcastle or both will drop points today too. :)

18 Aug 2012 17:11:19
Love this site, but might be time to take a couple of days off, till the personics lose their attention span again.

BigBadBen {Ed002's Note - We will let them vent this evening Ben. By the morning some common sense may have returned.}

Common sense is lost on some of these. Depressing game but some of these 'people' on this site are a 1000 times more depressing.
CQ

The thing about common sense ed, is that it isn't that common anymore :/
KiwiRed

18 Aug 2012 19:39:48
Cheers Ed02. Nothing against fans venting, but the naive clueless carp against BR and FSG shows little or no understanding of how low we had actually sunk, and the job they have on their hands.
Is it true that @wonderdogsparky is a follower of @outofshapeDowd?

BigBadBen {Ed002's Note -

18 Aug 2012 17:11:11
Same problems from last year i'm afraid. we scare teams with rampant attempts, but that wears off in the second half when teams realise we aren't converting the chances into goals.

Then when we've been trying too hard to bag even one goal the opposition bring it to us, get a goal against play and then we're chasing shadows.

the team and tactics behind them are not reactive enough later in the game, whether we're adrift like today or any other situation. Poor refereeing and a lack of goal scorers, that's the main takeaway from today.

drumz

At no stage were we rampant in that game. Thats for sure.

18 Aug 2012 17:10:19
we interested in dempsey, how about the whole fulham squad lol ,next game move on allfc

18 Aug 2012 17:09:44
Yes I'm disappointed but would you all get a bloody grip with all this talk of relegation or bottom half of the table...it's all the same people who were saying we were gonna challenge the top three yesterday! You're all so fickle!

Yes we didn't play well and lost to WBA but its one game! The transfer window hasn't closed and there is such a long way to go this year!

We will play much better this season and rarely will we play worse but until we conceded the goal we were in total control.

It amazes me people slaying borini and Allen! Give the lads a chance...most teams fans get behind new players...Liverpool fans just heap more and more pressure on their backs! Support the bloody team!

18 Aug 2012 17:09:24
Liverpool banter form... the irony as many liverpool fans on here seem so negative that I dont believe they have any banter, wit, patience or understanding. It is embarassing to stick the boot in after one performance - what about Suarez first half, Allen wanting the ball being some positives and lets believe in the team we are one fooking game in. Honestly i am embarassed by some fans on here to think that they go on holiday or away and slate the club to other fans... muppets!

18 Aug 2012 17:09:20
I won't to moan I want to slag everyone off I want to just have a massive rant about everyone and everything but what good will it do really. Instead I will bite my to tongue and put it down to a bad day in the office and some bad luck. We can only get better from here. Keep the faith and keep supporting

18 Aug 2012 17:09:11
Would it be more likely to sell agger now that he got a red card? {Ed002's Note - It would make zero difference.}

18 Aug 2012 17:09:09
3-0 ooops

18 Aug 2012 17:09:01
I think we should just put out the youth squad!

18 Aug 2012 17:08:38
Hi eds, great site! Just wanted to ask you a few question's with regards to the team after today's result! Would it not be wise to keep Carroll after borini and downings performance! Once again downing didnt perform and borini was non excistance? Joe cole? Get rid n take him off the wage bill! Surely Dempsey's wage is more worth while giving his minutes on the pitch(injuries) and goals scored? With the next 3 games in mind we need to book our ideas up!

Cheers {Ed002's Note - The club will look to sell Carroll if they can - it is clearly the case. Cole has injured his hamstring so I doubt will be sold before January. Dempsey remains a viable option.}

18 Aug 2012 17:11:19
Love this site, but might be time to take a couple of days off, till the personics lose their attention span again.

BigBadBen

18 Aug 2012 17:10:19
we interested in dempsey, how about the whole fulham squad lol ,next game move on allfc

Funnily enough a player like Dembele is really what our team is missing. Been punting him for ages.

18 Aug 2012 17:09:11
Would it be more likely to sell agger now that he got a red card?

18 Aug 2012 17:09:01
I think we should just put out the youth squad!

18 Aug 2012 17:08:38
Hi eds, great site! Just wanted to ask you a few question's with regards to the team after today's result! Would it not be wise to keep Carroll after borini and downings performance! Once again downing didnt perform and borini was non excistance? Joe cole? Get rid n take him off the wage bill! Surely Dempsey's wage is more worth while giving his minutes on the pitch(injuries) and goals scored? With the next 3 games in mind we need to book our ideas up!

Cheers {Ed001's Note - what did Borini and Downing do wrong? It was Suarez who missed multiple chances! Why do some people just whine on about the same players every game, even when it is not them letting us down in that particular game? Gerrard was awful, shall we get rid of him too? Why don't you try getting behind the team and give it a bit of time?}

Gerrard was indeed awful, as is Suarez's (in)ability to finish. The new lads did fine for me, it was the senior squad who was shocking.

On a separate note, I can't for the life of me figure out why Suarez (who is creative but can't finish) is playing as a striker while Borini (who isn't all that creative, but can finish) is playing out wide. It should be Downing on the left, Borini in the middle, Suarez on the right.

18 Aug 2012 17:08:31
Eds, whats our record like last season with and without Adam? I bet we were better with him playing we took a nosedive when he got injured, Id have had him on for stevie today

Matt

Oh dear...its getting worse on here! seriously telling me you would start adam over gerrard? heard it all now!

18 Aug 2012 17:08:26
{Ed001's Note - turned it off? Fair weather glory seeker of a fan are we? Why are you whining like a little girl about the new guys, when Gerrard has been the worst player on the pitch by a mile? Talk about it? You would be better learning about footie first.}
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Agree with u ed 100%. Allen looked really good but borini was waisted on left.
Allen looked twice player hendo looks.he looks positive player.
Steve g looked awful.he lacked As a captain and player.
He should not be automatic starter.
Lastly thanks Mr.kenny for waisting millions on awful players.

Red indian

Your welcome.....

Mr. Kenny

Ed001, where do you think we failed today? Honest opinion...

Dublad {Ed001's Note - cohesion, leadership on the pitch in particular is a problem. Gerrard was awful and constantly turned over possession and made very little effort to press the ball. The system we are trying to use needs two things to be effective, players to retain possession and players to press early as soon as we do lose possession. Both of those things Gerrard let us down today, he was also absent when the team was falling apart and needed him to lead them. Then there was Suarez, good at twisting and turning and creating chances, but he is awful at taking them. We need someone getting on the end of them that can actually hit the target. Agger and Skrtel looked like strangers, neither seemed to have their heads right today. We just looked like a team struggling to get to grips with a new way of playing, and the players knew they were not playing well, hence the heads dropping and discipline vanishing following the pen. The problem is that there is no quick fix for this, it takes time.}

Excellent summary Ed001, we have to be patient. Watching the match I was very annoyed and frustrated, but now I just think that we have to get on with it and stop moaning. It doesn't accomplish anything, Brendan I'm sure will have some harsh words for them and have them fired up for the City match. That game was a wake up call, and to prove that no one's spot is safe, Gerrard should be dropped after that 'performance'. Bring Shelvey or Hendo in for him.

KiwiRed

18 Aug 2012 17:08:24
Why is it, that when ever people "moan" about the team they are not a supporter. For how long should we have the support the team, even though we can see what is wrong. The last 3 years we have fallen so far. We are more like top 10 now let along top 4.
We need new owners simple, owners with money and who will spend. I dont mean spend money from player sales also. I mean 100 million of more of they own money.
Sad times indeed,
Yorksred

Yorkred I totally agree we have fallen but what you suggest what should do..stop supporting team nd not turning up at matches so revenue dies down or start supporting different team..unfortunately we have long road before we can be top nd we got to be together as supporters nd bring constructive criticism so we can encourage club to make changes such as buying better players and listening to fans ideas...when we beat hearts nd then man city I will buy u pint to cheer u up mate,,,

Harry old bury

18 aug 2012 17:08:11
liverpool, liverpool, liverpool!!

ynwa red's :)

red star's

18 Aug 2012 17:08:08
we will end up like last season 6/7 place.
allen was the best man on our side today will make a difference,i noticed that gerrard whenever he loses the ball he gives up even before wba scored.
anyway we need to except that if you need to start with downing and carra on and play johnson on the left there is something very wrong with our club.
carra is finished it ended 2 years ago
downing never a starter at a top 4 team.
johnson cannot play on the left.
borini had a terrible game dont know why rodgers did not take him of.
these problems we had last season and fsg have not funded us with money to replace downing and carra.
anyone who attacks carroll has lost his mind,carroll aint the problem he wasnt last year either.
lets see what rodgers wants to bring in we still have 2 weeks to go.
proberly some RESERVE player from barca or madrid,they have real quality thats why they cant get a game.
must be the sun maybe they will be better in the cold weather.
what a terrible day

18 Aug 2012 17:07:50
after todays shambles against west brom rodgers has got to grow a big pair of b***cks as soon as possible and get shut of gerrard he is no longer mr liverpool. Hes had it in the past but from last season when he was out we played some loverly football then gerrard came back and we lost a lot of games towards the end of the season.He just doesnt look interested he shouted at downing early on for a bad pass, downings head went down he was rubbishting himself everytime he got the ball.for me gerrard puts players off rather than encouraging.downing has to go as does cole.Allen and borini have got to be given a chance.On paper that was a pretty decent side and yet they just didnt look interested.Very sad start to what we were hoping was going to be a good season,now we are already chasing man utd man city and chelsea

18 Aug 2012 17:07:49
Top 4 team for sure! Keep living the dream. Come back KIng KENNY! Ha ha ha Coyb

No don't bring back King Kenny!!
Rodgers is much better... :)
Top 4 ha

Tree Blue

No KK was the one that set us back years. Rafa was the one that was supposed to come back. But Liverpool never do what's supposed to be done for some reason. Still give BR a chance it's not his fault these players are crap

18 Aug 2012 17:07:30
taxi for mr. rogers

18 Aug 2012 17:07:15
Its will be quite on the Man United page this evening, finally. business as usual
DonDarko

18 Aug 2012 17:07:09
We were dominating the match up till the sending off, we had only gone down due to a wonder goal. When we had 11 men on the pitch there were positives for sure; i'm not saying we were perfect but things looked solid. We absolutely have to give BR time, I am convinced of that. I'm sure not many Arsenal fans thought they were going to have as good a season as they did at the start of last season.

Walt White.

18 Aug 2012 17:06:44
After this afternoon's perfomance, given that we started playing competitively early on, we are rubbish and need serious squad refresh. We need a squad full of postion competetion and rejuvination. Joe Cole is injured again. He must surely be sold ASAP. Let's introduce young and hungry lads who have been in the fringes for a long time. Johnson left back? WHY WHY WHY when we have natural left backs in Jack Robinson or Flanagan. When are we going to learn that we need to nuture the youngsters. EDs, I am seriously discouraged. We always say year in and year out that it does not matter if we draw or beat ManUtd, Chelsea, Arsenal, ManCity when we cannot beat the traditional lower table teams. Are we now surely a mid-table team? God have mercy.
Bring Dempsey,Sahin and Gaston Ramirez now!!!
Fusc70

18 Aug 2012 17:06:15
Okay, i hold my hands up calling suarez a great finisher....i mean, he bangs in the hard ones, misses the easy ones!

Gerrard, after your little thing on lfc.com about "I can still run the show", what shows that mate? dreadfull today.

im beggin for a striker and attacking mid, to put pressure on these 2 players, who think they can just walk into the team on merit.

( ps, stop using carra as 3rd fricken choice, hes awful and we conceeding third cus of him, if he had any decency and love for the club he would retire himself )

Benny baller

18 Aug 2012 17:05:50
It's been a very disappointing day, but some of the over reaction has been ridiculous! It's hysteria when we beat Gomel and time to sack the manager now we've lost. The new style will take time, that's not an excuse, it's a reality. Judge the manager and players at the end of the season. Time to get some perspective for a lot of you. In the mean time, keep the faith!

Raoul

Mate there's a shadow over every manager that comes in. Kenny didn't have that shadow and he flopped. Hodgson had a huge shadow and flopped...really badly. BR has an even bigger shadow over him, rafas shadow. Rafa was supposed to come back and most people know it. Everyone will give BR time because they have no choice. But if we finish lower than last season he doesn't deserve another chance. As simple as that.

18 Aug 2012 17:05:42
Downing has no idea how to beat a man and is past his best.
The team played ok in the first half, missed chances again. Unfortunately a great strike and a big decision against us were the turning points of the game, no chance for recovery. However there are plenty games to make that recovery. Blessing in disguise perhaps, keep the faith lads, keep the frustration to yourselves. Bouncebackability

Northeast red

18 Aug 2012 17:05:26
Gerard passes the ball and starts walking around like he owns LFC. Downing out of position and is piss poor. Defence woeful. Midfield non existent aside allen. Suarez just won't score. Kelly and johns�n scandalous. Players out of position. No pressing, no penetration and no passing interchange. This unacceptable by any standard cos Brom could of scored 5. So what if i'm being negative. Just f*ck me and call me silly. But if this is not doom and gloom, I don't know what is. Talk is cheap Rogers needs to do something quick.

18 Aug 2012 17:05:16
A disappointing result but some of our play was superb. Poor finishing cost us but absolutely nothing wrong with the performance. Silly mistakes cost us. More shocking.decisions against us.

More firepower needed though.

Mighty reds

18 Aug 2012 17:05:04
No wonder everyone wants to play for Liverpool, you get paid for puttin in a performance, easier than the dole

18 Aug 2012 17:04:54
Still 114 points to play for. CALM DOWN!!! {Ed002's Note - 111 actually.}

18 Aug 2012 17:03:40
Players let BR down today, but where is the rationale bringing on Carra and then Cole. We needed speed at ten men, not slow to a crawl. Fortunately cole tore hamstring again so nobody will buy him.

Can't wait til we play Hearts. More our level than premier league.

18 Aug 2012 17:03:27
Rodgers is not a miracle worker. It's only the first game - he knows there's so much work to do. We were ok until Agger's sending off when we lost all defensive shape. That's why he's so important to the team.

Allen had a good debut, and Lucas is slowly getting back. Give the boys a break and get behind the team! Singred

Our defence was out of sorts all game, in the first half WBA were always dangerous.

18 Aug 2012 17:03:25
What a joke!!listened to all U now it all's Liverpool no where near a top 4 club haha

Top 4 , your avin a laugh !

Much love

The ref was a joke

18 Aug 2012 17:02:12
Could Adam Morgan be the poacher we need? Or still to young?
Cal

Where's young? Oh, sorry, you meant TOO young.

Agree play him instead of Borini

18 Aug 2012 17:02:00
Do ye all remember Kacaniklic? Great performance for Fulham today.. we gave them him for free as part of the Konchesky deal. Why has such a great club had such muppets controlling it for so long.. hope FSG prove much much better. Is it true that FSG are very unpopular among core Red Sox fans in particular John Henry?
The Gooch

18 Aug 2012 17:01:51
Feel very sorry for BR. The team was poor last season and to be hounest we haven't properly improved the areas we were lacking In last season (clinical striker, winger and playmaker). I've lost faith in downing I think he's way out of his depth. Everyone else was average. We looked poor at defending and I expected that under BR. Suarez can't finish unless he has 10-12 chances which is extremely poor. BR got a very big wake up call and I hope he now realises he's at Liverpool. Rafa was my first choice to come back and I think he still is.

Good luck fending off the negative comments that will come from other fans because I'm done defending a team that don't honor the shirt.

18 Aug 2012 17:01:08
One Game in and BR's game plan in the shredder. We need to stop faffing about sometimes and go direct for the jugular if Suarez had taken is chances in the first half we could of had a pan full. Hope we learn a lot from this game if not is Benitez still free?

18 Aug 2012 17:00:56
I'm not sure if I'm the first but let me say it.

I didn't think BR was right, I was against the sacking of Kenny, thou he did have his faults and caused angry posts by some and including me. With kenny we had a final third issue, he could have addressed it, he was stubborn as was Rafa.

BR is not the man, he tries to play football like Barca but without the players. He doesn't have a plan B or should I say doesn't want one. Liverpool was built on trying to achieve the best but now I see we settle for balancing the books.

When a die hard fan starts to lose faith in the direction n which the club is going, then the club has issues. Games are lost people moan, but today was worse than last season in my opinion anyway.

At a cross roads now a completely confused fan.

Dublad

We lost at home to West Brom under Kenny last season. What was your reaction then?

Just blame the players not the manager. It was the same with Kenny if he had bought better we wouldnt be in this mess! We spent £100 million last year and only suarez and downing started out of all those players. What a waste of money by the club and Kenny then.

You all have to move on and blame players that didnt even try today and that would be all bar suarez ( missed a few but kept trying ) and Perphaps Reina ( he cant do anything with pathetic defending like that ) .

Gerrard, Johnson, Skrtel, Lucas, Downing, etc all on 45K a WEEK probaly and they play like that. Hardly chased anything. It's a disgrace!

18 Aug 2012 17:00:38
Very unlucky and was always going to be difficult with Steve Clarke knowing the Liverpool players better than br. We are already written off, which will suit us just fine..

If you don't support us when we lose, don't support us when we win.

Head up.

Daveevad

Unlucky?? Are you blind? We were terrible, it could have been 6-7

Great goal, 2 dubious penaltys, controversial sending off, some good chances missed, bad performance by referee, unlucky. We were not good but we were also unlucky.

What's your point saying it could be 6-7. I'm don't understand what your trying to say no-name!

Daveevad

Mate be quiet because that's not the right motto for today's performance. This team wont win if they continue to play the way they did. Supporters that moan about losing a game as badly as that want the best for the club. We play awfully something needs to change. {Ed001's Note - no they don't, most of them just want to whine about everything and anything because they are too immature to understand that you can't win everything.}

18 Aug 2012 17:00:21
Oh happy day , happy day, oh happy day, happy day. ( singing to calm my spirit)
i am gonna go ahead and pour salt into a wound here,
I have been privately worried about tika taka playing style, from what ive seen , in order to play it u need CD backs who are confident on the ball and most importantly must have pace . U see , tika taka is very valurnarable to counter attack through the middle , and we dont have that. Agger and SKrtel are good going forward , but have nothing against a fast forward. Yes we had a very poor game, but im gonna keep saying this until someone listens to me.
Gerrard is hurting us in many ways than one . Last season we won more without him than with him.
He seems to boss the younger players and prevents them from taking charge of the game and being creative. It may not be his fault, but i think he will be good for us coming from the bench. Today we couldve been down 7-0 very easily , we were very lucky. if BR doesnt give agger and skrtel a new contract we can expect this again from them, its quit clear that they were not their best today.

And pls pls pls , buy a real CF , pls, i beg of you FSG , i love my club and this is hurting me . The whole day is spoilt now and wont be able to study for the rest of the day.

Im jus asking for a good CF, like Huntelar maybe and wingers. Downing is a good winder , but we need wingers .pls.
Thanks Eds .
Very bad day at office .

18 Aug 2012 16:59:54
There was a positive, and that was learning our weakness. We just need to pass quicker, and get it away from our goal quickly and calmly, into midfield. Then, we can just let the Strikers do what their paid for. At least we are not bottom of the table....

Piledriver

Which strikers

Easy then, i`ll stop worrying !

18 Aug 2012 16:59:33
Stopped watching at halftime and come back to 3-0 rodgers bringing back the glory days, more like the glorious championship.

Did you ever read the book called,
I stopped watching the game at halftime in Istambul? Its a story about how to be a real fan, some even describe it as a handbook in fact.

What fan stops watching at half time... Says it all

18 Aug 2012 16:59:02
Wellcome Brendan rodgers to liverpool

18 Aug 2012 16:58:20
I rather loose this end to the season than the other end. We all knew it would be ropey to start so think before you blast this performance. Id rather find the cracks now.
Owenll

Knew itd be a ropey start?? ya the next 4 games maybe, inexcusable performance from the team today. I support the club regardless of performances, however what's not acceptable is a lifeless, heartless performance in the first game of the season against west brom. I am more than willing to give this new manager and playing style a chance, IT WILL take time but for f##k sake put the effort in boys. Movement off the ball was poor and so this led to giving the ball away so much which landed ourselves in all sorts of trouble. We made it easy for them, they were quicker to the ball, hungrier and overall better than us today.
As a supporter sometimes you gotta take a defeat on the chin and thats doable as long as you give it your all but that was as lacklustre and confused ive seen us play since hodgson.
All well and good losing but with the upcoming fixtures this was a must win, 3 pts in the bag, game. Put a LOT of pressure on even tougher games. We will get there eve.tually, mostly neex to improve attitude and work ethic.
Who would take that 20+m for Agger now? Poor Carragh got proper done by lukaku, couldve been an even more embarrasing scoreline but for pepes contribution. get out next week and show us what this club means to you guys. sorry for the long rant
BrianG

18 Aug 2012 16:57:46
Wake up call much! ANyone able to tell me what went wrong there?

HB

18 Aug 2012 16:57:35
Pretty simple too many bystanders in the team today. I hate to say it but BR needs to get tough and sit some superstars out completely. He has a lot of work a head of him. This LFC team cannot go on with the likes of Gerrard and co. It will take BR a year to get his system accepted. It appears the old guard is still calling the shots. Grow some balls BR and move the loafers on.

Red in Shepp

18 Aug 2012 16:57:27
Honestly Don't care about First game etc , over reacting etc , I will still support the team but

There is no Plan B as I said yesterday Squad is much weaker as 5 have gone out and 3 in and not really quality at that

Today we only Played West Brom , The owners seriously need to invest , and stop taking it for granted the fans will turn up wherever we Finish
we are so out of touch , 180 pages but no plan b In that Manifesto

I have never witnessed a Liverpool team collapse going down to 10 men like that

We have become a mid table team run by clueless American owners

and a manager completely out of his depth

K.O.B

18 Aug 2012 16:57:25
Don't let our heads drop, we always knew that BR has no plan B. Rodgers will learn from this and hopefully there won't be a repeat.
At least we are not bottom after one game.
Scouse_Pride

18 Aug 2012 16:57:18
Shouldve sold suarez for 25m. Oh wait bit we probable wouldve spent that on heskey. The only posutive is that Shanklys first matcj was a 4-0 defeat.. We are already doing better lol.

Sorry hit the disagree buttong after reading the suares line.

redh0t

18 Aug 2012 16:57:14
my god get dempsey in and fast!! hard games to come rogers could soon find himself under big pressure already.(hope not) big improvement needed.....redman matt

Dempsey IS the new messi then?

18 Aug 2012 16:57:10
surprise line up today. where is enriqe ? Jonjo have done good in last 2/3 match why he not start ? we need striker Borini no t that top class.

r-r

18 aug 2012 16:57:04
so we know have 2 weeks to try and rescue our season. downing, spearing and adam need to go asap, we need: a proven goalscorer, 1 or 2 real playmakers in midfield (allen is not playmaker he is player who passes the ball from side to side, why we brought him is beyond me), and maybe another winger incase assaidi turns out awful. i can honestly say nothing rodgers has done so far regarding transfers has really made me think he is the man to take us back to the big time.

18 Aug 2012 16:56:23
They need to put liverpool on comedy central cos this sh1t is hilarious..!

JK92

18 Aug 2012 16:56:10
hi eds n reds

not a rumour..this is fact..WBA 3-0 LIVERPOOL

heard it here first....feel sick..waitin for the wife to wake me up and realise it was all just a terrible nightmare.......no...not dreaming..

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 16:55:58
different manager same result last seasons position does not look so bad now does it #sad day to be a red

18 Aug 2012 16:55:31
When are the Olympics again?
Ultra red

18 Aug 2012 16:55:17
Disappointed with the performance but really really worried about BR bring on Carra and Joe Cole!!! These are the worst tactical decisions I have ever seen. Same as last season if not worse!

18 Aug 2012 16:55:12
i heard a rumour lfc may finish in top 4 this season please post on dodgy rumour page!!

Lightened up my day a bit

18 Aug 2012 16:54:59
Steve g only plays for himself.not man enough to stand for his fellow players as captain.
Backstabbed rafa.
Plays for himself.

Red indian

Red Indian you are clueless and clearly have no class. Gerrard is the sole reason we have won anything in the last 10 years. By all means say he had a bad game, don't attack the mans character after the first game in.
CQ

18 Aug 2012 16:54:54
Ok i hope Brendan Rodgers uses no excuses after that piss poor performance, the difference between that game and last season is that we got dominated by west brom... hats off to them though ripped us into crappy pieces...

I've still got faith in rodgers but if he makes excuses then i will lose a bit of respect for him because that was diabolical

18 Aug 2012 16:54:50
Referee aside, as the second one was no pen, we were awful today. Midfield was as weak as I have seen it, including Stevie, attack was shoddy, and I hate zonal marking at the back. Not one player can say they played well, and as for the new boys not good enough. BR better get it right and quickly, as we have City next week.

18 Aug 2012 16:54:37
looking at the game today we need more player cant score for toffee....downing needs to go....cannot be leave we lost against wb need wingers and striker

trigger61

18 Aug 2012 16:53:33
We came not to play...

Jack the Groove

And we didn't fight either

18 Aug 2012 16:54:35
All i'm seeing on the text commentary is, 'Liverpool are struggling to hold the ball'. that is just not good enough, for a manager that is meant to specialise in Tikki Takka football. might be a bit of tikki, but a large lack of the latter.

Radio commentary:

'Steven Gerard gives the balll away....again.....'

'.....Luis Suarez misses the target....again....'

18 Aug 2012 16:54:30
we were rubbishe top 4? more like bottom three! no positives from that performance!!

18 Aug 2012 16:54:22
This was supposed to be easiest of our first 5 matches and we screwed it up big time. I told u we need to act fast in market and make new players play in pre season and get good results in them so they could have confidence going into league, but no! everyone here is too delusional to accept and only managed to bash me telling what a pre season is. Today match is very good example of what i told u guys 2 weeks earlier. Absolute no confidence in game play and looks completely dis jointed. Now we face city next week with out our best defender. Oh! wait a sec, he might be sold. Yet our management and owners are the best. Who ever underestimated west brom and said its going to be 3-0 or 4-0 for us needs serious therapy.

AJ

A disgraceful post.

You are not a supporter of the club but just a complete pessimist.

I don't think you have any idea how difficult the premiership is and you have to give the manager time to work his ideas and bring in the players he wants.

Grow up

Mark

18 Aug 2012 16:54:17
Really sad but im also really happy for Steve. Always like him.
AnfieldUSA

18 Aug 2012 16:53:47
Why don't all you supposed liverpool SUPPORTERS, get a F£$&IN grip of yourselves, 1game in and its the end of our season already, i love our club as much as the next man an yes it does hurt, it is a bad start but screaming for sackings is not the way to go, SUPPORT the club for FOOKS sake..........

STEVE

RED4LIFE

Because there is a difference between loyalty, support and sticking by your team and not fulfilling your right to be appropriately concerned at an absolutely dreadful performance.

Dude from past 2 season u were saying the same thing and were did we end up??

Bet u have been saying that for the last 20 years

Slowpoke

Well said, they'll have me crying in a minute

Sooty

Wake up you fool,we are rubbish,man city next
God help us

18 Aug 2012 16:53:45
What a great start to the season!

18 Aug 2012 16:53:13
Big thanks to Norwich and qpr for keeping us off the bottom of the table. Could be a long hard season ahead.

18 Aug 2012 16:53:11
Very poor performance from Liverpool - DISGRACEFULLY poor performance from Dowd!!!!
Dutchmal

Oh it's the ref's fault is it ? I don't know why you don't just wake up and stop living in the past. Everton above you again I'm afraid (for you). LOL COYB

When Dowd got last year's FA Cup Semi I was really concerned. As it transpired he had a great game. Today, however...all of my fears and misgivings were realised. What a terrible game he had...that (2nd) Penalty decision was the worst I have ever seen.

This does not detract from the poor Liverpool performance. I accept that BR's philosophy will need time to 'bed-in'...however, the lack of a 'Plan B' when it goes so spectacularly pear-shaped is a grave concern. We seemed intent upon 'walking it in'...when chasing a game, that simply won't (and cannot) do!

18 Aug 2012 16:52:58
Somewhere in Madrid, Nuri Sahin is sat thinking....

Am sure he'll be thinking sh*t boss pls let me go to arse'nal... big shake up needed, this could actually be our worst season, if we don't get a couple big play makers in before the deadline..

Why don't WBA come in for me...

Dublad

Is the thought who are West Brom

18 Aug 2012 16:52:57
Was the first game of the season there's still a whole season left! I think he shouldn't have played downing. Push Gerrard up and put shelvey in the CM spot. Sahin would be a perfect player, some one with a playmaking ability to the game.

Agree, Gerrard hasn't got it in him to be a playmaker.. never had. he only could shine alongside Alonso....and ahead of Mash.

Gerrard only shined when he still had his legs.... They are gone now as has his set piece ability apparently.

18 Aug 2012 16:52:35
its turned into shooting practice for west brom,reina is at least keeping it respectful,carrol is trying hard but needs some back up,suarez wont be getting 15 plus goals this season but id love to be proved wrong! performances will have to be much much better for the next few games

18 Aug 2012 16:52:33
new season same heartless team of overpriced players. there's no pride in wearing the shirt anymore forget about signing anyone decent we'll be lucky to finish in the top half this season with the performance ive just seen.

18 Aug 2012 16:52:26
well that is disappointing result, get the money out, get sahin, dempsey and some football players in as that was tosh.

18 Aug 2012 16:52:01
You fans are an embarrassment. Yeah its a poor poor start to the season, but already your calling the managers head? Raging at FSG?

For gods sake, WBA score a random worldy, ref was an utter gobrubbishe for the second pen, we're down to 10 men, so yeah bad bad start. But theres 37 games left you gang of persons.

Grow the **** up and support your club, otherwise do one down the lancs.

Tom.

Spot on m8.

18 Aug 2012 16:51:53
Blah blah tika taka football.....I'm off to watch woman's beach volleyball until they bring in a world class manager. I'm sure the 'give him time mob' will be straight on supporting this crock of rubbishe. 20 years not long enough for you boys huh!

Molby's left gonad

Very apt name.
BigBadBen

18 Aug 2012 16:51:24
Please just go and but a striker that will put the ball in the back of the net.. Suarez is a class act but can't finish. No need for too much doom and gloom its the first game of the season but FSG get the cheque book out. We need goals, can't finish our dinners for the amount of chances we make..
The Gooch.

18 Aug 2012 16:50:52
is this really happening!! cant belive this.taught we couldn get any worse than last season but there ya go. all summer long u wait and wait and wait for the season to start and we play a lower league team and they slaughter us on the first day.embarrasing really. hope the owners realise now that we need to spend to get better.and to all the fans who think we dont need to spend millions on 1 player f**k off just look at today .the rubbish that is playin for liverpool is a joke....

rant over.

jt

18 Aug 2012 16:50:26
Every one of them should be feel guilty picking up there wages this month if i was as bad as that at work i would be sacked. Here we go again!!! From one p---ed off red

On the contrary, camera showed a bench with Shelvey and Caroll laughing their heads off on the bench (when we were already down)...

18 Aug 2012 16:50:10
Sack a proven manager with a successfull winning history ( Benitez),
Bring in a yes man on the back of a Uefa cup run ( Hodgson )
Replaced him with a manager with a proven successful history
Only to replace with a yes man on the back of one good season..
Can you see pattern?

18 Aug 2012 16:50:02
Embarrassing! Ashamed to call myself a reds fan. Was buzzing for today but yet again let down. Hope by the end of the season i'm not still feeling like this. Feel like my season ticket is a waste of time and money!

Anyone who says he's ashamed to be a Reds fan is NOT a Reds fan - so go!!
DM2012

18 Aug 2012 16:49:59
Sigh... :(((

Singapore Red
YNWA

18 Aug 2012 16:49:58
Said this loads of times - Gerrard isn't a good captain, he is as quiet as a mouse in this game when he should be shouting loudest on the pitch.

Let's see what changes are made the next game, we have got to write this game off, I don't mean player wise I mean attitude wise. Hopefully Brendan will get the whip out and get some of our "Superstars" playing for the team again.

Good on WBA and Clarky, they deserve to win, we need to sit down after this and get everyone motivated YNWA

Big Bill

18 Aug 2012 16:49:39
I'm not going to come on here for the next week. I can't stand the people that are going to be posting about how everyone should be sacked and we should sign messi for the next few days

18 Aug 2012 16:49:21
As if we didn't learn from last season, SUAREZ CANT FINISH!!!!

gh*lfc

His wife says he can!
DM2012

18 Aug 2012 16:48:42
cant watch no more of this so called football

18 Aug 2012 16:48:25
I think Sahin and Dempsey can make there minds up easy after today I wouldn't join our sinking ship of a club.
TT

18 Aug 2012 16:48:18
watching the game 75 mins in,,,we are absolute sh*t, west brom could be up by 4, borini ? useless in fact apart from suarez the rest of the team are average to extremely poor today ,,oh its 3.0 now,,,here we go again getting our ass kicked by a mid table team, missed our chances as usual, absolutely gutted by the performance today, fu**ing ANGRY and stuff ur "support someone else"comments ,i been supporting my LFC since 1974 and there was NOTHING positive about today, if u think there was then ur expectations of where LFC should be are in the toilet.

Wasn't it Saurez who shot at the keeper, or over the bar? And insists on taking free kicks when he' not the best dead ball player we've got? It's bad start no denying but as you said we're not going to start supporting anyone else, we've got to do our bit now and help pick them up, that's what we do. Ged.

I was about to break my chair

Mate couldnt agree more, it was actually quite painful to watch in parts today, yeah u can say we haver new players trying to bond but they still need to give a 100% and the only one to do that for us today was suarez.

tommy c

Poor all around. Same problems as last year. Possession but no teeth in attack. Gerrard was very poor. Downing horrific, Lucas poor, Borini very nervous looking, Suarez good but is not a natural finisher unfortunately...Shane Long caused all kinds of problems. Thought Allen was very good in first half but were chasing game. Just haven't gelled as yet. WBA played a very shrewd tactical game and stretched space between strikers and midfield.
rjb

We have been inconsistent for years..Yet we had only lost 1 outta 11 away at West Brom ..Things are not going to change until the players learn how to play football the BR way but remem his away record last season was woeful .. Soo lets wait and see what develops anyway Arsenal are only 1 point ahead off uso) and they played at home! Top 6 is where this team will be

I have to say mate, thats a pretty fair assesment. I usually come on here and defend the team and manager whatever, but just need to pray now that, that was a one off. I have a bad feeling about this season, a really hard long run now. I also have a feeling there will be some transfer requests before the season ends.
Oh well, on to the next match, Oh and Song transfer just confirmed so Sahin deal now looks a bit less sure.

18 Aug 2012 16:48:13
well that s tiki taka at its best..
hoof ball without andy ..
haha..except suarez everyone has been pathetic..
maybe we got overconfident after the Gomel game but
if westbrom looks so good god help us against city & arsenal..

18 Aug 2012 16:47:42
Bad day at the office, get over it and move on. All you moaners its the first game of the season, always gonna be a difficult one.

Sooty

It's west brom!.

Its the first game of the season for west brom too...

Always going to be a difficult one !, get a grip,look at our next fixtures, this was the easiest

Yeah. Opposite to West Brom. The first game of the season is always easiest for them.

Where you actually watching the game
got made to look league 2 by westbrom.
can see it now city 8 -0 liverpool

Lil Red

Wasn't a difficult one for west brom

Rubbish no excuses for that performance with man u arsenal and man city to come in next 4 games we will be bottom after 5 games

It's west brom. a bad result can cost you that higher finishing place in the league, you can't discount it sadly mate

It was West Broms first game also so why was'nt it difficult for them. You can stick your moaning comments up your a**e we were rubbishe.

WBLFC

It was also West Broms first game. We were rubbishe, it's not gd enough an we have to improve.

As if you know so much. This wasnt a bad day at the office mate. This was us being very poor and not good enough. too many high paid players not turning up to play. Cole with another injury. Might as well just let him go. I can name others.

Sooty grow up mate..a hard one..so city arsenal and man u in next 5..what r they..easy...be realistic u prat..i have never been as disappointed as a LFC supporter as i am today..i really fear for my club now sry

atlfc70

Sooty a difficult one. Have you seen our run in from here?
Scouse_Pride

Think i have right to be moaning today sooty. were u not watching that rubbish.and how was it always giong to be a tricky one we should have a squad of players to go out an beat west brom any week.

eire red

Mate its not about moaning , wot about all them people who travelled to the midlands and watched some very very good players give not even 50% in my opinion, ill always back the red men mate but if they dont even try then im sorry but im havin a moan , its my devine right as a scouser and more importantly a liverpool supporter to do so . anyway down to earth with a resounding bump today people!

tommy c

It's been a bad day for the last 3 years.

Eire red, haven't seen you on the United page for a day or two.

Perhaps won't see you again after today's woeful performance ;)

Disney!

Are you crazy man, a bad day at the office you say, we have been having bad years at the office

18 Aug 2012 16:47:38
Swansea are stronger than they were last season ;)

Disney!

Same can't be said for red Man Utd.

Mighty reds

18 Aug 2012 16:47:32
Couldn't finish top4 in the championship.

18 Aug 2012 16:47:13
58 minutes into the season and the bubble bursts

18 Aug 2012 16:47:02
stevie G is also awefull today gave so many balls away

18 Aug 2012 16:46:43
This is disgraceful. This is far worse than any performance under Kenny. No creativity, midfield giving the ball away and the defence clueless. We need new owners who are willing to invest in our club, not just spend money that they have raised on player transfers. Complete Joke.. the_redson(season ticket holder!)

18 Aug 2012 16:46:43
Dalglish has set us back years.

Two cup finals says your wrong!

What the hell are you on?! stop looking for an excuse. no he hasn't, he is a legend. grow up

No mate the owners r

atlfc70

B*******, the damage was done before he even took over.
Scouse_Pride

18 Aug 2012 16:44:11
Same as last season except our defending has been terrible. Remember everyone it is early days.

For me it still highlights our extreme need for a goal poacher. Let's hope our owners splash the cash...

Hessle Red

Wot cash

atlfc70

We need a poacher as much as atlfc needs grammar lessons.
AnfieldUSA

18 Aug 2012 16:43:05
dont want to sound downbeat as i love the club but today has been piss poor not gunna blame rodgers because the players were at fault but serious change needed or else well be middle table or worse.
i was hoping for a good start to the season but u no... things can still change after a few games

18 Aug 2012 16:42:55
We really need to improve espically with the games coming up
We are going to be in the relegation zone for a while
next game manchester city then aresenal then sunderland then manchester united.
Tough times ahead but hopefully we get top 10 finish or even better
We really need to bring in a striker who can finish the ball with ease and we also need a creative midfielder ,and then a Cb if we sell agger to raise funds for the midfielder and forward

Cheers, Zincho

Hopefully we get a top 10 finish!
Really?
Our squad is meant to be 200million pounds worth of talent and your hoping for a top 10 finish.

I agree totally mate

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 16:42:48
Neat short passing is all well and good on the continent but this is the Premier League - if you're second to the ball and you can't compete physically, your not going to win games. Only one LFC player on the pitch today - well done Martin Kelly

cozinoz

Add Reina, he kept the score low. He deserves credit

Only one for me..DOWDS

atlfc70 {Ed001's Note - he was defo in blue and white today, so hardly played well for us!}

Only one for me..DOWDS

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 16:42:44
This is a little embarrassing. Positives first: Joe Allen looked excellent, Pepe Reina had a fairly decent game. As for the negatives....theres a few. I think its best we dust ourselves off and move on.

I can sense the negativity start to swirl on this website already, I think I'll just stay away for a couple of days. Very disappointed in the Liverpool team today.

KiwiRed

18 Aug 2012 16:42:36
Just turned the rubbish off!! we lack flair and a real goal scorer!!
We paid 11m for Borini and 15m for Allen, poor buys. we could of brought a decant proven goal scorer for that!
Plus we dont buy Raminez!! shocking 12m for him 8 on Siggison! we are been lead by a man out of hes depth!!!
If we ger Sahin that will be a miracle>

Please post want to talk about this at length.

Redman 10 {Ed001's Note - turned it off? Fair weather glory seeker of a fan are we? Why are you whining like a little girl about the new guys, when Gerrard has been the worst player on the pitch by a mile? Talk about it? You would be better learning about footie first.}

Absolutely Ed001, Gerrard was terrible. I thought Allen was our best player by far.
KiwiRed

Good reply ed...why are other players blamed when our own superstars were plain awful today..i thought downing played more nicely than gerrard today..disappointed by loss..but haven't lost faith..rodgers will do fine...just need a striker..it will take time to adapt but once adapted we will do fine...we should give rodgers and his team some time..

18 Aug 2012 16:42:22
OMG! 37 games still to go?! And i thought the 2011-12 season had ended with our days of playing unmentionable football behind us!
sama491

18 Aug 2012 16:46:25
Get carra off the books pls.
We should sell steve g he is looking old n awful same as last year.

Downing on right? What d hell.learn from awful kenny the manager.

Red indian

18 Aug 2012 16:46:05
Joe Col'e hamsting has gone - so he won't be going anywhere now.

18 Aug 2012 16:45:53
Lukaku goes on loan to WBA and scores against a side as poor as a team from the Maltese premier league (no disrespect towards the Maltese PL).

18 Aug 2012 16:45:51
what a joke 3-0 off west brom how can we expect to challenge for a top 4 spot when we get turned over by them. its not like we have alot of new signings to gel with the rest of the team. i cant actually believe i was looking forward to this season suppose rodgers talks a very good game but its just the same s**t different year. cant see sahin picking us over arsenal now.

18 Aug 2012 16:45:34
hey lfc fans.......

YOU CANT BLAME THE MANAGER 100%...

the players should play much better...borini needs a bit of time.............gerrard was average...and the rest looked a bit rusty

so blame them

ONLY blame the manager..for the tactic after the sending off...........benitez would make everyone squeeze tighter be COMPACT...but rogers still played way too open ........and thats why we got hammered

so be real

and we all have to wait..

red fox

That's the problem. there's barely a plan a and absolutely no plan b. if we don't improve drastically our year is gonna be very bad. cmon rodgers prove your class

Gerrard was much, much less than average.

18 Aug 2012 16:45:32
Wow 3:0 by West Brom. I'm sure Sahin is gonna see our highlights and choose arsenal hands down

18 Aug 2012 16:45:09
Guys we're getting torn apart, Gerrard is far and away our worst player. He's taken his pre season form into today, on this showing we'll be lucky to finish mid table.

18 Aug 2012 16:45:01
I posted here some 2 weeks ago and got slated for my opinion.

Still stands, BR is not big enough for this club. Watching today has done nothing to change my mind. Same old same old!

Early days I agree but and its a big but, there is nothing in the pipe line that would make me feel any more confident.

Borini - injury waiting to happen but even if injury free still just an average player.

Allen, hmmm....okay a decent player for swansea but this is not swansea.

65% possession first half, no goals and we didnt even hit the wodwork, at least Kennys idea did that.

No guaging the second hald because 10 men is hard to guage against 11.

Please dont accuse me of not supporting because id we were in Div3, I still be there.

Maintain my prediction.

Bottom 6 after 6 games
Mid table at mid term
Final place 10th at best.

Where are you RAFA?

RedalLover (for those that commented on my accidental anonymity last time)

Please please stop whinning, what have the board and manager being saying 'it's going take time' What bit of that dont you get was you expecting miricals over night?

Its been all joy, now major doom are we a group of supporters that are that fikel? common these issue are going get sorted and with a few more arrivals were going be ok. So chill to many panic merchants on here. It does getting very boring after we get beat we get all the moaners on stick to xfactor tngt and yous will be sound.

Scottybhoy1888

Scottybhoy 1888

I would not take Rafa back but I would dispose of several squad members. I am still going to give BR a chance as it could be a one-off. I think that we need to lower our expectations for the season.
Scouse_Pride

18 Aug 2012 16:44:51
Oh dear ;)

Disney!

Is it my favourite lap dog Sidney by any chance?

18 Aug 2012 16:44:51
On a positive note if possible
I'm really looking forward to assaidi featuring next week when we lose in double figures to man city

18 Aug 2012 16:44:40
The 2nd Penalty award was the worst I have ever seen! Absolutely terrible. Shame on you Referee!

Ashley young v aston villa was the worst.. and it was a penalty to be fair..

18 Aug 2012 16:44:37
Great start will be in bottom 3 after 10games I said it before & I'll get slaughtered for it but I'll say it again job too big for Rodgers.

Kris Halifax Red.

18 Aug 2012 16:44:18
S it S it S it,disgrace to our great game. WIll you eternal optimists f in wake up!!!

18 Aug 2012 16:41:58
A journey into the abyss!! That's where we're heading BR.

18 Aug 2012 16:41:56
One word to sum to sum Liverpool up = Pathetic

18 Aug 2012 16:41:39
New manager,new system,new tactics and guess what it's even worse than ever.Why the hell is Joe Cole on the pitch?
I despair what a pathetic showing!

Derek

18 Aug 2012 16:41:36
Why dont we buy another 20 midfielders who are rubbish. We need a striker who can score goals.

18 Aug 2012 16:41:29
Hate to say it but FSG getting exactly what they deserve. Treated Kenny like trash and strangely getting trash off a good championship manager.

Swansea had players better suited to the "style" Rodgers wants to play. The only style he will play and were did they finish??

Hmmm I wonder if they'll turn back to Kenny or Rafa when the anfield managerial merry-go-round turns again in January.

FSG need to be forced out. The way things are going we'll be fighting with Norwich at the bottom not spurs at the top.

18 Aug 2012 16:41:23
Very dissapointed in Liverpool and BR. Downing was shocking, Gerrard was terrible, Borini very quiet and the rest of the team were average. When Agger got sent off, who did Rodgers bring on?? Carra!! What happened to attacking football, was he trying to defend a 1-0 loss? Then he brings on Joe bloody Cole. Terrible decisions. Imagine that WBA hammered us. No team will fear us. The one chance we did create, Suarez missed it. We played terribly, we reacted terribly, but the managerial decisions were very bad!! I really fear for this season because of the decisions that BR made not because of one bad game.

Red Tom

18 Aug 2012 16:41:20
Agger misses the Hearts game, so will he be eligible for Man City

18 Aug 2012 16:41:19
I don't know whether to laugh or cry :( this is beyond a joke this ref is actually shocking

18 Aug 2012 16:41:15
What a joke...where's plan B now BR?. You've messed up big time...and we've had enough of your journey already.

You can't have a plan B when you down to 10 men. Can't judge us till 10 games in.

You can't have a plan B when you down to 10 men. Can't judge us till 10 games in. {Ed002's Note - All teams plan for sending offs.}

18 Aug 2012 16:41:14
THIS IS A JOKE. 2-0 game over down to 10 men! Just shows how good our team is! LOL, allen what a waste that could have bought matias suarez i'd rather have spearing playing.

13 days left for transfers better do something or were in for a long season. No wonder sahin wants arsenal and siggurdsson spurs.

So pissed forgot to sign off reddy salted

18 Aug 2012 16:41:11
Wow, and this is the Liverpool thats meant to be passing the ball about and holding the ball. it would seem that it was not Brendan Rogers that was helping Swansea, it was Swansea. 5-0 they are winning away.

18 Aug 2012 16:41:07
Sorry match of the day I won't be watching you. I can't remember the last time I did

18 Aug 2012 16:40:58
should have put hendo instead of cole downing awefull today

18 Aug 2012 16:40:51
Can't wait to hear from some of you how Dempsey isnt good enough for this team after watching that display. They need a finisher so bad. Give Fulham the 10M and lets get someone who can convert chances. That game is completely different if they take those chances they had early. Instead we just got smoked by West Brom. I'm usually positive but that was bad!

18 Aug 2012 16:40:47
All these games are fixed. Why do you think Arsene told Sahin to just wait 48 hours? Because he knew Liverpool were going to lose and Arsenal would all of a sudden look the best option. Phil Dowd has refereed some great games and there is no way anyone watching this game would say that there wasn't any bias against Liverpool and towards West Brom. What a joke! And I thought the NFL had dodgy refereeing, it's nothing compared to EPL.

18 Aug 2012 16:40:42
Spend the fookin cash LFC or were in deep brown stuff. All this wait and see, sign youngsters.We'll be f in down if this continues

18 Aug 2012 16:40:36
We need some new players.. Tiki taka needs some flair.. We need some good attacking players.. I know we should be standing behind our team but it's most hard on us fans seeing our team getting beaten blue by WBA.. Still hoping for some intelligent buying...

Musicnation

18 Aug 2012 16:40:22
absolutely embarassing no excuse vs west brom now wat give him time yeah

18 Aug 2012 16:40:05
what a disaster, this is as bad as i've seen us, no plan a or plan b

18 Aug 2012 16:39:58
Suarez missed 4-5 good chances. Look bad at back. Carragher really shouldn't be playing anymore. Joe cole is a peice of glass

18 Aug 2012 16:39:55
Words fail me, so without venting my anger today I will leave it 48hrs and let everyone else have there say.

Curled1

18 Aug 2012 16:39:24
Skrtel's been terrible! We look so narrow, game was crying out for Carroll, Suarez can't finish. We need a striker or player like Dempsey real bad. Big question mark to Rodgers.

Jack D.

18 Aug 2012 16:39:22
Before its gets inundated with Rodgers out here, new manager, new tactics, needs time. Not a good result but let's give team more than one game. It can't get much worse
Tommy.

Yes it can we have manchester city coming up , imagine what there going to do to us at anfield

18 Aug 2012 16:39:07
where did Steve Clark end up after he resigned? :(

18 Aug 2012 16:39:00
Normal service resummed. And that=Embarrassing S ITE! Ok systems take time but this is an established back 4. Theyve hurt and disgraced us AGAIN !!-Major worries if this is anything to go by

18 Aug 2012 16:38:43
I do believe in being supportive and optimistic, and I know it's the first game but this is awful. Ok things should improve but to be 3-0 down to west brom, absolute joke. What a disgrace this is

18 Aug 2012 16:37:58
Can we just all agree that the less said about this game the better? Move on to the next one and forget this ever happened.

18 Aug 2012 16:37:56
i give rodgers till december before he's fired if we continue like today. why did carroll not come on when down to ten men?

18 Aug 2012 16:37:44
3-0 trust me we will suffer more then last year. bad start always make ur life bad.

18 Aug 2012 16:37:11
lets blame the players this time, not the manager. downing is brutal as always. we need a playmaker otherwise we're screwed!

18 Aug 2012 16:37:09
Joe cole is the biggest joke in football
Get him off and out of my club now!!
I wants explanations now wtf is this

18 Aug 2012 16:37:08
Suarez misses too many chances its jus well annoyin brendan needs to stop bieng a person n play carrol
Basy

18 Aug 2012 16:37:05
wait months excitedly waiting for the start of a new season and a fat man with a whistle has to go a ruin it same old same old

18 Aug 2012 16:37:05
So ashamed of being a Liverpool supporter pathetic

Well go support someone else then you clown

18 Aug 2012 16:37:01
One positive from this game: we have realistic expectations. Top ten. I feel for Rodgers. His project will take time

18 Aug 2012 16:36:59
Hmmm don't know what to say about this. Combination of a dodgey ref and players not able to put the ball in the net. Welldone Clarke. Now the inevitable posts

18 Aug 2012 16:36:43
We're actually getting smashed by west brom. WTF

davethebutcher

18 Aug 2012 16:36:28
Being made to look very, very ordinary. No high-line, no pressing, less than average movement and non-progressive passing. Being outfought in every significant way.
Suarez is his old self, brilliant but wasteful and rash.

Long, long way to go. We'll come good, eventually, but lots of work to be done.
Patience needed.
Top 4? Possible, but unlikely. There quality simply isn't there.
The make-up of the team will have to alter significantly between now and August 31st for us to contemplate competing, let alone actually get top 4.

Jorge

18 Aug 2012 16:36:03
might as well be the 1st to say it bye bye brendan

I'm not gonna get on rodgers back, because he deserves a fair chance and pray he can turn it around, but sadly i just can't see it. He is just too naive with his tactics. we will only be getting mid-table. know it's just one game, and people will stay stop moaning, but sometimes things aren't meant to be unfortunately. he will be gone by the end of the season.

18 aug 2012 16:35:53
rodgers out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

18 Aug 2012 16:35:35
Can anyone explain why carragher is on the pitch - he shouldn't even be on the bench!!!
Dutchmal

Because it's a click mate

18 Aug 2012 16:35:21
While this game was very poor let's stay behind te team thing were never going to just click right away it's a long season and the players need the support of the fans not the added pressure we can bring, roll on to te next match

P.s Phil Dowd is a complete person

Texan red

18 Aug 2012 16:29:24
hi all

dowd is a joke and so r we..city next..oh dear

atlfc70...who is now switching laptop off..seen enough

18 Aug 2012 16:34:39
Well here we go again another clueless manager Rogers has no plan B same as he had last season at Swansea. I will give him up to Christmas before he is sacked dead cert. The club have not brought the players in that the club needs.

Swansea are winning 4-0. He left them in good state. BR needs time. He needs to shift most of our average players which may take an age.

He will need our support for about 2 seasons before we will challenge.

Steve068

18 Aug 2012 16:33:53
What A joke when will we learn, 2-0 against west brom 10 men, we are not good enoughit just gets worse what you all going say now, lets wait for the team to gel ffs, wait for brendan to get his signings get agrip, defintley not top 6, absolutely crap

We are all frustrated because we want to see our team do well. Unfortunately this will be a long slow process, the starting point on the road back is to avoid relegation. Sam armchair

18 Aug 2012 16:33:52
Same old rubbishe loads of possession but no finish and please somebody tell Carragher time is up

18 Aug 2012 16:33:19
utter rubish the hole team should lose 3 weeks wages for being crap lfc owners get your fingers out and buy a striker yee fools

18 Aug 2012 16:33:10
What on earth is going on people, take the liverpool specs off, borini is a striker not a winger, suarez should be playing there, gerrard looks past it, my granny could finish better than suarez, he would be world class if he could finish and on this game the reserves and academy have a better attack, who can come on and change the game, cole, henderson carra or maybe adam NO, Sterling should at least be on the bench, no wonder suso was complaining about being dropped and where's joe allen is spearing playing, we need at least 4 world class players to challenge for anything!!

Lil Red

18 Aug 2012 16:32:45
Champions league place lost after first match of the season. Serious investment required and FSG don't have the resources...we can't rely on Gerrard to bail us ot any longer. He's finished and so will BR very soon. I predict mid-table and that's just about right. It's crisis after one game. Unbelievable.

Maybe we'll just have to accept that we're not a top club anymore because of past mistakes and lack of resources.

18 Aug 2012 16:32:43
Not a rumour, lfc 2 goals down, one man down and being taken to school! Fooking great start....and against that heavyweight team of....west bromwich Albion!

18 Aug 2012 16:32:31
Painfull opening game of the season,match of the day can kiss it

Matt

Nah some other games have been great

18 Aug 2012 16:32:20
Easily the most unlucky team in the premier league,play well then bang from nowhere they score and then stupid penalty decisions and to top that of our best defender sent off.

18 Aug 2012 16:31:49
I told you so. No better than a mid table team. We are a disgrace and this probably the most inept performance I have ever seen in my life. Goodnight Vienna.

18 Aug 2012 16:31:37
Same old rubbish just a different team,another long season ahead
I have had enough already

18 Aug 2012 16:31:18
that ref has an agenda

18 Aug 2012 16:30:17
****in rubbish

18 Aug 2012 16:30:09
Where is the big man?

Dublad

18 Aug 2012 16:29:38
Shocking, absolutely piss poor, U can't put a positive spin on that utter rubbish, disjointed, they too scared to express themselves as football players, something needs changing straight away, y did we go for a manager who's done **** all in the game? If I was agger, I would wanna **** off, leave Carroll at him he batter him.

Redlips

18 Aug 2012 16:29:30
2-0 down and we need a goal, so BR brings on cole instead of carroll. what a fecking joke.
billy

18 Aug 2012 16:29:05
Awful. A very long season this is gonna be sorry to say. Top 4, more hopeful of top half. Gutted really.
Up the pool
Redan

18 Aug 2012 16:28:59
Can it get any worse?! What a start to the new season.

Quite clearly need a striker who can score and playmaker in the middle.

This was the one game i was hoping we would win especially with the fixtures coming up.

Sandy

It can get worse
We have city next week
Bean

Sadly we need 2-3 quality players to finish in top 10.Every line of our team need to be change.Gerrard past his best,Downing on the right wing is joke.If Rodgers want to play this tactic he need to buy 3-4 new central midfielders.

You better believe it can get worse we've got City next and if we play this badly they will murder us. We desperately need a goal scorer!

18 Aug 2012 16:28:29
Bring back Rafa Benitez....I'm sure all those player who wanted rafa back were sold or are going to be sold,watch this space,2-0 down at WBA,what a disaster start,reality check for everyone who think we'll finish top 4,we are far behind,we'll be there maybe in next 4 yrs time if BR is still incharge

Dk london

Omfg..... i can't believe this.... 1hr into his managerial job at liverpool and the head hunters are out.. for crying out loud.. get behind the manager!! and the team!!

18 Aug 2012 16:27:54
2-0 down, 3 yellows, 1 red.. My god what a great start!

Happy days:)

LFCopenhagen

18 Aug 2012 16:27:49
what a joke lfc buy a proven goalscorer or it will be tenth in league this year

Forget tenth, relegation is not beyond a possibility.

18 Aug 2012 16:27:32
Tiki taka football is so hard to beat. We will p&ss this league

18 Aug 2012 16:27:20
new season same old story

18 Aug 2012 16:27:05
Lucas us supposed to pick up the ball from the center backs and play it to allen. This has not being happening. Thats the reason we are turning over possession. Either Lucas is not making himself available for a pass.

Lucas isn't fit it's clear to see

18 Aug 2012 16:27:00
I just cannot believe my eyes, we keep hoofing it forward. And here i thought we were playing tika taka . Or maybe we hoofing it to big andy , but i just cant seem to find him on the field . Gerrard and Downing are nothing short of terrible today. What a sad day to be an lfc supporter.
This is not how it was suppose to go down.

18 Aug 2012 16:26:44
It just seems Lfc would never get back to its height again thanks to our gambe with Hodgson if we went wit a better coach than him we wld hv been betr

Don't blame Roy. It's his old team that are smashing us right now.

davethebutcher

18 Aug 2012 16:25:32
Steve g not even working hard.awful work rate.

He should be taken off.

Red indian

18 Aug 2012 16:25:27
absolute disaster, not happy 2-0 down they've disappointed us again, 2 penalties!!

what is up with the defence and our attacking options still need improvement..

18 Aug 2012 16:25:14
Tiki-taka my toe. BR speak well...almost like a politician but he won't last more than 4 weeks. Bring back Rafa and stop this mediocrity once and for all.

18 Aug 2012 16:25:13
People still think we will get top 4? Not good enough yet will take time lots of time

Aint got time be f in down

18 Aug 2012 16:25:06
New ideas? Same old sh1t.

18 Aug 2012 16:25:01
hey lfc fans.........

LIVERPOOL = play 200% against the top teams....and then play horrendous against the "so called lesser teams..

no matter who manages.............how much you spend........your club..still cant get out of this habit...............except for benitez reign..he won way more games

dont complain guys....just be realistic........you dont win the league beaten man u twice...its as simple as that

red fox

Lesser teams OR teams on your level?

Disney!

18 Aug 2012 16:24:48
I am sory eds but I dont think that was even a good match for us what was the idea of agger to get a red???? and a SECOND PENALTY PLS YOU ARE KIDDING ME

ANEESH

18 Aug 2012 16:24:46
Well my hope and optimism for this season has vanished
What. Was all that about
Swansea winning 3-0 were losing 2-0 down to 10
Things get worse with cole coming on
I'm heading back to my wonderful world of FIFA and football manager
Appalling crap again

18 Aug 2012 16:24:20
What a joke......we are awful..... God help us this season!

Craig

18 Aug 2012 16:24:09
Never before have I witnessed my beloved club look so poor. They are a shambles and guess wat no plan b wat a joke

18 Aug 2012 16:23:48
Odemwengie pen 2-0 censored censored censored censored censored censored censored censored censored censored. Redevon

18 aug 2012 16:23:40
this is a fu**ing joke, there's no way that was a penalty, in saying that our so called big players have been pathetic today. we'll be lucky to get out of this with a 4-0 defeat.

18 Aug 2012 16:23:39
Sahin most probably not coming, no proper finisher. 2-0 down. Could the week have gone any worse?

Yes we are 3 down

18 Aug 2012 16:23:37
WTF talk about loosing ur discipline, we r falling to pieces out there.

tommy c

18 Aug 2012 16:23:28
Good old Liverpool. Top 4 here we come!

18 Aug 2012 16:23:14
skrtel!!!!!!! FFS WTF

18 Aug 2012 16:22:35
I have never ever seen such bad reffing in all my life

The crow

Blaming refs crossbars the lot again, face it were carp

18 Aug 2012 16:14:15
As I said this morning if BR was capable of flexibility he would have brought big andy on at half time.

Tiki taki football wins nothing without a 60 goal a season Messi.

18 Aug 2012 16:13:00
Our passing is diabolical.

18 Aug 2012 16:11:58
Stevie G playing badly... Thats the main reason there's a lack of foward surge.

18 Aug 2012 16:11:54
Cheer up everyone, it's not even one game into the season! Don't get your knickers in a twist just yet...

RedSpud

18 Aug 2012 16:11:34
Most the teams in the Prem have better finishers then us. Could not hit a barn door

18 Aug 2012 16:11:29
Hope this is a game of two halves,
same as last season all the possession no end product

18 Aug 2012 16:09:10
Why Downing in in the field ?

18 Aug 2012 16:08:40
Brendan Bogers you should have stayed at swansea mate

No its ok we got laudrup

18 Aug 2012 16:06:41
I keep reading 'same old,same old'. It is - but that's the so-called fans! If you don't like it watch your televisions. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this new Liverpool but get behind them for heaven's sake.
Dutchmal

Your a clown Dutchmal but your consistant

We are all behind them, but how much f***ing cr *p can we take , call it how it is , we SUCK !!. with the quality we have in the side,,,they should all be docked their wages,,,,gutted.

18 Aug 2012 16:05:01
From what I am reading, does Liverpool need Nuri Sahin? It seems like it.

18 Aug 2012 16:04:56
We can come back and win this come on u reds (rich)

18 Aug 2012 16:04:46
Haha reading these posts with people thinking Carroll is the saviour of today
No chance put borini through the middle Suarez on the wing

18 Aug 2012 16:03:31
WTF all you doubters, are you true lfc fans or what.first game of the season and your on a downer go support some one else.

Dreamer you stupid little dreamer

18 Aug 2012 16:21:37
Agger sent off. Reina saves pen. Carragher on for Downing. Redevon

18 Aug 2012 16:21:02
depressing really....i know its d first game but still atleast we shud have put up some kind of fight....really pissed off!

AngryFanfromIndia

18 Aug 2012 16:20:54
Are we for real??

18 Aug 2012 16:20:45
GERRARD needs to pull up his socks and starting working harder to get the ball back'. it was his bad ball and lack of desire that led to agger being sent off.

18 Aug 2012 16:18:53
On a positive note, Downings gone off :)

18 Aug 2012 16:17:23
stories f our lives. playing well with lots of chances but not taking them and then the opposition score

18 Aug 2012 16:16:40
Agger off. What a start to season. Everyone horrible. ESP gerrard

18 Aug 2012 16:15:59
Had enough of optimism were a rubbish team. I dont want to sound fickle but we cant say we are what we use d to be. Watching us is depressing now.

18 Aug 2012 16:15:30
I'n not trying to be negative but this game is showing signs of last season all over again, we need more creativity and we are still lacking a goalscorer...

18 Aug 2012 16:14:33
Phil fat man card happy dowd
What a referee
Bean

18 Aug 2012 16:01:57
Allen is our best player already looks good chances wasted again.downing borini haven't been cited. Poor start...muzzred

18 Aug 2012 16:00:58
Not a rumour, we are 1-0 down to WBA....great! :(

We are 2-0 down

Now 3-0 down embarrassing

18 Aug 2012 15:59:29
Well its half time and I hope Rodgers has a few tricks up his sleeve because that was garbage. The amount of times we gave the ball away was criminal not to mention the chances we're missing, seems a bit like last season where we come away ruing our missed opportunities.

18 Aug 2012 15:59:10
Half time report.
Reina, Skrtel and Agger look like they've never met. Don't think I've seen Kelly? Johnson looks sloppy at times but composed going forward. Lucas looks okay when considering the amount of time he's been out. Allen looks okay at times but not his usual composed self. Gerrard hasn't really been in the game, same goes for Borini. Downing looks dangerous running, but lacks vision, big doubts over whether he can play this system. Suarez looks dangerous, twisting the West Brom defence everywhere. However, I've decided his feet must be made out of feathers because I'm pretty sure my cat could kick a ball with more purpose. Can certainly see Rodgers philosophy being played, whether we can play it effectively is a different question.
JohnnyJamesJameson.

It's easier said than done for Rodgers to play this football
We weren't really tested in pre season with best players in right conditions etc
This is the first real test and so far it is clear to see that we aren't good enough and are in desperate need of a striker

18 Aug 2012 15:58:28
Even Tranmere are winning!! What the **** LFC!!

18 Aug 2012 15:58:28
BRAND new season but the same old rubbish. is it just us fans that can see that we need to sign a striker and not 5 more midfielders.just someone to stick the ball in the net.

18 Aug 2012 15:58:03
If steve g absolutely awful.he looks old.

18 Aug 2012 15:56:27
We better up it in the second half. We need to score and early

18 Aug 2012 15:56:26
I think it's obviously to see we need an out and out finisher.for all of the great stuff Susrez does it's just ashame he can't finish for love nor money. So plse BR buy a proper goal scoring centre forward

Borini can finish
The only problem is he is stuck on the wings doing naff all
Bean

18 Aug 2012 15:56:09
Bugger me...here we go again... Another half not being able to take our chances.... We honestly do need a goalscorer.... Dempsey please sign

Slowpoke

18 Aug 2012 15:55:59
rubbishe, ****in same old story, Borini and Downing are the worst £11m and £19m players i have ever seen

18 Aug 2012 15:55:50
hi eds n reds

same old same old...gera not in the game then bang wonder goal..get carrol on..borrini off

atlfc70

18 Aug 2012 15:53:58
1st half utter tripe.

Sigh.

Shak Attack

18 Aug 2012 15:53:29
rafa rafa benitez would have got santi cazola not asama who 1 down same rubbish new season

Assaidi isn't playing so shut up fool

18 Aug 2012 15:52:47
oh dear oh dear....

18 Aug 2012 15:51:54
New manager...new tactics...same old story...we'll never win the league again.

18 Aug 2012 15:51:37
We really need an out and out forward
How many managers do we need before we sign one
Let's remember this is WBA we are playing and we are still average
nice build up play but we need a forward
K.O.B

18 Aug 2012 15:51:27
Not much change from last season. Sloppy in places and totally toothless up front. Ah well, only 45 minutes gone so let's hope it gets better.

18 Aug 2012 15:50:42
Guys no need to say we are shi*, there was no saving that

Red Star's

18 Aug 2012 15:50:41
Looks like Suarez STILL can't finish, however I still believe he will score eventually this game. Big second half needed, we look very slow at the moment...

18 Aug 2012 15:50:24
Censored Gera 1-0 baggies halftime. Redevon

18 Aug 2012 15:50:12
Don't like being sinnical but were playing crap and offering nothing
The ref is a bag of dogrubbishe- dowd is woeful and he looks huge deffo put on the £over the summer he is quite clearly not fit enough to do the job
We need a spark that just isn't there
Bean

18 Aug 2012 15:50:05
is allen playing? cos were not holding the midfield theyre just running through it.
billy

18 Aug 2012 15:50:04
What a joke we are now 1 0 down to west brom never c top 4

18 Aug 2012 15:50:00
I must admit, I have given 20 years to Liverpool. Sometimes hard to manage the heartache. However, I see us winning today from unlikely source: carroll

18 Aug 2012 15:49:43
Same old same old Liverpool unfortunately. :/

18 Aug 2012 15:48:56
the score is 1-0 kops down, man i dont know why things arent working for us, i hope we win.

redh0t

18 Aug 2012 15:48:56
so did we really need joe allen? £!5 million down the toilet we should of bought someone to replace downing.RedTurk

18 Aug 2012 15:48:13
same old, same old.

18 Aug 2012 15:46:47
alot of sack the manager and sell suarez coming

18 Aug 2012 15:43:13
Well so far this is sh**e, keep giving the ball away and missing chances.

18 Aug 2012 15:41:21
Macca informed us that LFC still confident of signing Sahin. That's great news and especially if we do sign Sahin it'll be another feather in BR's cap. We may not be favourites for top four but I really believe BR's tactics will take us there. Also on Assaidi, I think he'll be an exciting player to watch...he's got the skill and panache of a world class winger.

18 Aug 2012 15:36:12
I have been sitting in front of the tele for almost two hours now, watching the buildup to the game , to all the eds , Macca and fans alike , this has been a long awaited moment . Unlike most peolpe, all i wanna do is watch my team play a beautiful game , win or lose. Watchng lfc players on that field fills me with joy of what may be.

Thanks again Eds, uve made this off season a short one .
YNWA!

18 Aug 2012 15:30:30
so fare in the first 30 mins suarez missed 4 chances that one f aguero and rvp would have scored two

So far Suarez is the only one that has looked dangerous give him a break. Worse player so far is gerrard for me. Miss placing key passes.

JD

F f s here we go again starting where we left off last year,jesus will this ever change

Like last season then .surpise surprise ,but we better go sign ANOTHER MIDFIELDER , cause we only have 9 .

18 Aug 2012 15:26:35
Urgh. If Suarez could shoot, he might actually be dangerous.

Thats the problem with saurez,give him 4-5 nailed chances and he will only score 1

18 Aug 2012 15:22:15
Anyone know why Enrique isn't playing? Ged

18 Aug 2012 15:20:55
A lot of talk everywhere about how good the strike pairing of Rooney and Van Persie is.
Not sure how they can be a great partnership when they haven't even played together yet!
They may not work at all

18 Aug 2012 15:20:24
Borini and allen start today against west brom!

18 Aug 2012 15:16:51
Hello eds and fellow reds!

So against the odds Swansea have scored the first premier league goal this season through Michu!!

Who do you think will score in our first match??
Whats the scoreline you predict eds and reds?

Aneesh

18 Aug 2012 15:07:53
Any1 getting a decent stream on sopcast? Can u giv the channel number please. Tried servants but kept going in s loop!
Jason

The first stream on vipstand.net isn't too bad.

Cheers mate
Jason

Premier streams ch 1 excellent stream on
freefootball.org

redcoat

18 Aug 2012 14:56:48
I have it on good authority, Liverpool to bid £10m for Tony Hibbert over at everton. I couldn't believe this either but apparently it's nearly done

18 Aug 2012 14:47:45
I personally think having Kelly for Enrique is a good choice because Kelly is better defensivley and the game against Bayern Leverkusen, Enrique was poor and conceded chances!
Redmanluka

Yes..but today kelly looked awful already...

Never seen the big fuss with Kelly at RB, he is avg not great. Better CB imo.

18 Aug 2012 14:44:17
No Enrique in the squad even though he isn't injured...
Any chance he is moving clubs

Manno

18 Aug 2012 14:41:00
Sahin still debating what to do. Liverpool hopeful but Arsenal have insisted this week on his signature. Madrid expect resolution next week
GuillemBalague

18 Aug 2012 14:35:49
Whats a good site to stream the game on today please?

Thanks

18 Aug 2012 14:10:18
Hi ed002, would you care to elaborate on which team is interested in Joe Cole from Southern England? West Ham? Qpr? Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I would rather not at this time.}

18 Aug 2012 13:53:02
Finishing the nightshift in half an hour - knackered but too eager to stay up for 3pm kick off (8am here). Just wanted to say before the 2012/13 kicks off, whether it's been great banter or if there's been the 'occasional' difference in opinion, we're all still part of the Liverpool family...

Here's to us having a great season ahead, and one with top class football. It's back! Enjoy the upcoming season lads!

YNWA

Cuchulainn's Hounds

18 Aug 2012 14:32:44
Good to see only one defender on the bench for a change, good luck BR and good luck Liverpool.

Curled1

Surprised Coates isnt on the bench!
Redmanluka

18 Aug 2012 14:25:28
Hi can I ask people if they think Raheem Sterling should be given a proper run of games this season.Personally I think he is already better than downing.
Click agree if you think he is ready or disagree if you think he needs another loan

How about if you don't feel he is quite ready but shouldn't go on loan?

cozinoz

18 Aug 2012 14:21:13
Henderson, Adam, Carragher, Carroll & Spearing all left out. Thank God. Maybe Rodgers isnt so bad after all. Luke YNWA

18 Aug 2012 14:20:40
eds is there a reason why jose enrique isnt playing today {Ed019's Note - Slight Knock}

18 Aug 2012 14:14:22
Same team that beat Gomel, except Kelly in for Enrique.

Jimbo

What about Allen

Joe Allen ? No offence , he he .

TheScarf

Yeah and Allen for Shelvey!

HK

Ooops! My mistake!

Jimbo.

18 Aug 2012 14:12:02
Firstly eds, great job on this site I always enjoy coming on here. Just gonna pass on what I've been told; Dempsey might not even happen now as we never even made a bid, Rodgers is set to meet with Nuri Sahin in the next 48hours to sway the deal, plus all this speculation linking us with Callejon might just have something to it as I've heard a bid will be made only if Carroll is to leave. Walcott's situation is also still being monitored.

Many thanks

18 Aug 2012 14:09:35
Starting 11

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Kelly, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Downing, Borini, Suarez.

Subs: Jones, Adam, Henderson, Shelvey, Carroll, Carragher, Cole.

18 Aug 2012 14:08:56
I posted yesterday that I had read that Enrique might not be playing.

Amazing how one player missing upsets the balance of the team so much. Don't mind Johnson at left-back but prefer a left footer.

JRG

18 Aug 2012 14:07:09
Eds,
1-if in case miss Nuri Sahin on loan due to last minute attempt from Arsenal, who do u reckon we will be signing? I'm sure Rodger will not depend on Spearing if we want to get back to our best.

2-Between Walcott n Dempsey, who is likely to sign this transfer windows? Dempsey want to come to us, but Walcott is younger and is Liverpool fans.

Happy Eid Mubarak to all muslims.

ItsJimmyAgain {Ed019's Note - Thank You. I don't think we'll buy a CM if we miss out on Sahin. Dempsey is more likely}

18 Aug 2012 14:07:07
#LFC team v WBA: Reina, Johnson, Kelly, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Downing, Borini, Suarez.

Neostat

18 Aug 2012 14:05:23
Enrique out injured rest of team picks itself.

18 Aug 2012 14:04:20
Hi, Do you know of any website where you can watch game online live

Many thanks

On the other hand, any update re Sahin, Dembsey, another striker, another winger

18 Aug 2012 14:03:12
any one know were i can watch the match on the internet ?? {Ed019's Note - SopCast, firstrow, myp2p, atdhe.eu, vipbox.tv}}

Wiziwig, sportlemon

18 Aug 2012 13:58:23
feels like christmas morning!

18 Aug 2012 13:49:23
West Brom - 0 v Liverpool 4

Coley

I predicted the same Borini to score 2 gerrard and suarez 1 each! Cmon the pool! YNWA

WHY do you people come on here predicting scorelines that are simply over the top. live in the real world WBA at home opening day will be tough!

18 Aug 2012 13:46:04
i reckon 4-0 reds, downing 27, gerrard 42, gerrard 67, borini 87

Very specific, if you bet on that you'd get at least 5000-1

I think the scorline will be the same but the goal scorers are
borini 12 min
gerrard 34 min
downing 49 min
suarez 85 min

18 Aug 2012 13:37:58
Hi eds/Macca, Is it true we no longer want Dempsey? Please confirm.
Thanks.
NosKee

18 Aug 2012 13:34:55
how many of you have suarez as captain? :-)
balaji

Nope Torres is captain he's got 2 games this week :)

Torres this week, chelsea play twice

Shame he won't score haha : P

Sorry couldn't resist!

JD

As if Torres will play in both. Lol

Name another striker that will play instead of him ? He's their main striker now drogba has gone so really he will?

I'm sure one of their U14s can make the step up instead.
AnfieldUSA

18 Aug 2012 13:34:24
Interest in Zoran Tosic, heard it here first

18 Aug 2012 13:20:43
Is it just me or is anyone else surprised to see Carroll not dive when he was being held back by his bib in training?

Red Raw

18 Aug 2012 13:19:17
Hi Eds, is Hector Herrera in trials for us?
I saw a picture of him (probably) training next to Suarez and also his agent said he was in trails for Liverpool and Man Utd.. {Ed002's Note - It is Pacheco by all accounts.}

18 Aug 2012 13:15:09
why did pep segura leave? does anyone know.
not many posts asking why, i think its a really big deal hes left. i hope its nothing too sinister n he's got a job back in spain.
good luck to him n all the best, hope he stays in football, bringing on all the next generation of stars, shame it wont b at lfc.
anyway, moving on. lets beat the baggies 4 nil, eh..
only my opinion..

dbadger

18 Aug 2012 13:20:19
hello eds.come on the boys lets see some great stuff played today liverpool,lets hit the ground running.hears hoping we run em ragged.in rodger's and the boy's i trust.jay essex red for life red till dead.

18 Aug 2012 12:33:28
it looks like hector herrera next to suarez.

18 Aug 2012 12:31:57
was looking at the pictures on the lfc website and got to the sixth picture down, i couldn't identify the two that are in the middle of skrtel and coates.?

could one be hector Herrera or someone else that is not currently a liverpool player on trial? because i can normally ID everyone that in the photo's but im kinda stuck on that one.

or are my eyes just not functioning.

One is def #7

Its Dani Pacheco

Its pachecho and suarez

18 Aug 2012 12:36:30
Hi All,

What's the story with Matt Phillips, are we interested or will he move to Southhampton? Any thoughts??

Thommo the Red {Ed002's Note - There was apparently interest from Liverpool a while ago.}

18 Aug 2012 12:40:19
Hi Eds have you any good links to watch todays game? cheers

18 Aug 2012 12:48:40
I don't know about anyone else but I don't think we should push the boat out for Sahin.
1.he does not want to come.
2.even 'the special one' can't persuade him.
3. Will he play ?

I would like to see Dempsey but anything over 5 million. And we've been ' Andy Carrolled'!

I do think we need a fox in the box to finish of all the moves.

0-2 to the redmen today

18 Aug 2012 12:45:21
i no adam said no to the fulham move cos he wants to stay local what teams are intested in him that he mite move to eds thanks {Ed019's Note - The media are suggesting interest from Everton}

18 Aug 2012 12:17:23
Rumours now we could miss out on Dempsey. Why does LFC's business always turn into sagas? Just get Dempsey and Sahin ffs

Because its that simple

Red Raw

Like the Assaidi saga you mean?! {Ed019's Note - haha}

18 Aug 2012 12:18:41
Fat Sam sniffing around Dempsey. He'd like nothing better than to s rew LFC over. Come on Reds, get deal done!

18 Aug 2012 12:02:32
Firstly I want to wish the boys good luck today. I'm praying for a nice convincing win.

Secondly I just wanted to ask any of the eds if our stance on aubameyang (st Etienne) has changed? Any recent interest? He is a very skillful player and one of few I admired when watching the African Cup of nations a while back.

Cheers

Tom in Wolves {Ed002's Note - Nothing right now.}

18 Aug 2012 12:00:32
Charlie Adam agent is David moyes brother so I could see him going to everton.

18 Aug 2012 11:59:34
From what I've seen of the latest training pics it looks as thou Kelly will be starting and Johnson is replacing Enrique. As we already suspect, Allen will take over from Shelvey and without that it will be a straight replica from the Gomel line up.
Feeling really positive as we all do when the new season comes along. But with knowing its not just a change of players but a change of style, there's just curiosity on how it will fair against the Premier League teams. Have a feeling Suarez is going to bag a brace and Borini to get another Anfield goal.

Let's get the happy times back and enjoy our might Reds playing some football that sweeps away the opponents we found hard to last year!

RedRocket

I might have agreed with you but we r playing away today mate lol.

tommy c

The most important aspect of our line up today will be the midfield performance, Lucas sat infront of the back 4 with Allen & Gerrard providing quality service to the front 3, who hopefully will be a lot more decisive in finishing. Let's hope for a win and 3pts to get us on our way.

IMH

{Ed019's Note - Join the liverpool-rumours fantasy league on http://fantasy.premierleague.com Over 1300 joined so far. Code: 66434-90075 Join quickly before KO!! Pls do not reply to this post with your teams}

18 Aug 2012 11:57:30
Mancini said that he doesn't believe he will get Agger. :)

Prelen

Typical Mankini statement to try and force his Board and Marwood to get the deal done. Stand by for another bid.

Reelum

Every time I hear Mancini speak, I hear Andy Kaufman's character on the old tv show "Taxi..." (Latka, I believe, was his name)
YNWA USA

18 Aug 2012 11:46:27
whats the chances of all our signings making an appearance today?

liambarr1993

18 Aug 2012 11:45:35
Good luck lads, 2-0 to the red men ! Hope all fans get behind them and remember that Rome was not built in a day.

YNWA

18 Aug 2012 11:40:50
testing, testing, no post getting through, testing, testing.......fancy 2-0 for the reds.........
Skrtel & Suarez.........Wirral Red..........

18 Aug 2012 11:37:32
Hi eds..
Will Villyan Bijev be loaned out or will he stay with the reserves?
Reply will be appreciated

Cheers
VGRed {Ed002's Note - I don't know what is happening with Bijev.}

Loan out he said is the most likely thing to happen.

I don't care what he's like as a player his name is worthy of getting on my shirt.

18 Aug 2012 11:37:25
Hi Ed's and all other reds! Not a rumour just my views on the coming season and my predictions. Please post as im sure most people would enjoy reading it and could start some nice healthy discussion and debate.

1}Man UTD- People who right them off are fools. People who say they need a better midfield...are fools. With the signings of Van persie and Kagawa, it is looking like Fergie will be preferring a counter attacking team based on a solid defence aided by the return of inspirational captain Vidic. And with De Gea improving vastly, and Phil Jones and Jonny Evans and Chris smalling, they have talent and youth to last the long season. People have pointed out that they need a midfielder who can control games, but with the signings they have made and the players they already possess, Young,Valencia,Nani etc. they have players capable to break quickly with pace. This is how they played with Ronaldo a few years ago and it worked rather well. More likely to win the league than City because of the goals van persie will provide and a better team ethic within the squad.

2} Man CITY- People say now they have won the league they can do it again. This is true to a point but the best teams to repeat title wins are those who dont stand still. With only Jack Rodwell coming in so far...city have been rather stationary. When liverpool were dominant, every season we would sign players and people would ask why we needed to change a winning formula? 18 league titles is the reason why! Barcelona were dominant for a while, but they got caught last year by madrid because they were so one dimensional in their play and didnt really add to the squad. Yes they added fabregas but he is made in Barca so didnt add any new dimensions to the team. Therefor i think unless they add atleast a CB and a DM, they will fall desperately short in almost a switch of roles as last year and lose out by a tiny margin to their neighbours.

3}Yes losing Van Persie has hurt. Yes being on the verge of losing Song will hurt. However how many seasons in a row now have arsenal lost a key player in the summer, been written off, and how many of those seasons have arsenal finished in the top 4? Exactly! Another key difference is this year they have added experienced quality to help replace the lost men. Cazorla is the closest thing you can get to fabreags and under £20m so for a reported £16m that is a great deal. Podolski is well known and will add some power and experience to the frontline. Giroud i think will struggle as he is not particularly quick and the french league is not a too higher quality. But ultimately i think he will come good and next year i wouldnt bet at him being in the running for the top scorer. I think 3rd for their finish because there will be a scrap for 4th and i will say more on that next.

4} Liverpool. In the most unbiased way i genuinly think we can make it with that added luck we lacked last year and circumstances currently surrounding other teams. Of all the teams chasing the 4th spot, i think they are the most stable. We don't have to worry about our best players being knicked, now BR says agger is staying, (while Spurs are worrying about the loss of modric who is the man that makes them tick. Remember how we dropped off once alonso got sold?) and we have owners who share a long term vision and dont have unrealisticly high ambitions and will give their first choice manager time, (whereas chelsea have an owner who is well known to be unrelenting if his ambitions are not met, and RDM was not his first choice but had to resort to him because the fans love him and no other top managers were available at the time.) Liverpools signings have been underwelming but will be very effective i have no doubt! Allen is integral to how rodgers wants us to play, borini adds pace and instinctive finishing to our attack, and Aissaddi looks to be a good option on the wing with pace, skill and unlike most wingers of his style, an end product! And of all the teams behind us? Yes chelsea have spent big but Marin is hugely overated hence why they got him for so little, Hazard can be quality, but flatters to decieve, one of those players that frustrate and seem to miss from the game, then do something amazing and everyone only remembers the good bit and not the rest of the match where he was awful. Oscar will be good but will take time and that means they are not as certain for top 4 as everyone makes out. Spurs still need a striker, as they have for the last few years now and vertongen and sigurdson are good players and to sign them both for the combined fee we signed Allen for is very good business i give them that. However the loss of modric will be irreplaceble unless they really spend big. There also remaisn doubts over AVB and whether he will crumble like he did at chelsea.

Right bit of a read i know but you might find it kind of interesting haha. Anyways leave a comment with what you think, i dont care if its negative because i always have arguments with my mates about this kind of stuff because im quite stubborn in my views so will definately fight back haha! ;)

Up the reds for this afternoon!

Willster :)

Citys forward line is very equal to uniteds make no mistake of that and their midfield is much stronger, They are the current champions and now know how to win the league, They will win it again.

Well it isn't just down to individual quality. i have a feeling united will win it this year. they through it away last year and i think yaya toure will go to the acon.
derryred

Good post mate interesting read i think you are not far wrong i just think that City will pip Utd again IF they buy a CB which they will dont be supprised if they come back for Agger right at the death when they have got some of the deadwood out.I am a mad LFC fan but think 25mil might just do it hate to see him go.Also Chelsea i think will finish outside top 4.A supprise team could be QPR top 4 for me 1=City 2=Scum 3=LFC 4=ARSENAL 5=Chelsea 6=Spurs 7=Newcastle 8=Everton 9=Qpr

18 Aug 2012 11:33:53
Friends, I'm really optimistic about todays match with WBA. But, incase we do draw or lose, I urge you to keep faith in the tteam. It'll be the first premmier league game they play under the new regime. So everybody please keep calm if our expectations are not met. It will make me sick if everyone starts slating the team.
Very optimistic about this season.

PakiRed.

18 Aug 2012 11:33:34
morning eds and fellow reds!

any news or speculation on suso getting first team football either at liverpool or on loan somewhere?

cheers
liambarr1993

18 Aug 2012 11:30:48
Good luck to the Reds today. Hope we start off the season with a great result. Really can't wait to see them in action again and hope the new boys do well too. Also thanks to the eds for keeping us good company throughout the off-season. YNWA
Capetownred

18 Aug 2012 11:25:58
We have heard a lot about walcott, sahin, dempsey, ramirez and so on but do you know of anyone else that no one is talking about who is likely to join?

AG

Eds! I am the real AG! I have been posting with this alias for over a year now. I have attached my email ID in case you want it to verify me in the future. Also, to the guy above who posted under 'AG', can you try get another nick name mate?

The real AG! {Ed019's Note - No Problem}

What about me?

The really real AG

I'm the real AG so both get new names

18 Aug 2012 11:24:21
hi ed's,

seen a few mentioning they would like to see assaidi getting some playing time today. am I right in thinking he didnt sign in time to be included today?

Thanks,
JD {Ed002's Note - I don't know if his registration was processed and clearance arrived.}

Thanks Ed, Let's hope it did!

Thanks,

JD

He's gone back to Holland

18 Aug 2012 11:21:43
why the **** is br not lookin forward to sign mirallas.he is perfect for lfc.why sign second rate players like dempsey and pay a larger fees too.this hs been the theme about liverpools signing in the past years.may b thats what preventing from joining the champions league elite.

Having a wee cry are we lol

Because the player in question is over hyped, one of our ex players Leto only scored 5 less than him last season and he was a flop in our league. Plus Olympiakos are by far the best team in the greek league so he will get more chances to score. Red men Tv looked into this and said this is more than likely part of the reason why we hadn't gone in for him.

The fact that he s going to such a small club tells you everything. He isn't that good.

18 Aug 2012 11:20:17
Sahin will be a Liverpool player in next 48 hours. Dempsey wants a move to Liverpool but it hinges on Adam leaving. Everyone are interested which could be positive as Adam wants to remain on merseyside.

18 Aug 2012 11:16:07
I believe arsenal have snached the deal for him, BUT it's wether mouriniho/Madrid will give go ahead and allow him to go,(1) the relationship between venger and mouriniho (2) arsenal being a champions league rival. But Sahin does prefer arsenal.

18 Aug 2012 11:12:39
good luck super reds ,now is the time,remember we dont come to play,let the battle commence,allfc

What planet are you from you tool.

Mate hes bieng vocal if a little over excited in his support for his team, you wanna try do the same rather than slag him off u txxt.

tommy c

Totally agree Tommy C, the guy is just excited.....quoting Leonidis (300).... THIS IS ANFIELD! :P

18 Aug 2012 11:03:50
Happy new season...
Let the fun begin been waiting all summer for this moment.
Fresh optimism no big signings though a team that surely cam only improve lot of bog money players didnt perform thev had a season now maybe surely thel have better one this tome around ohh and who can forget...
Lucas leiva!
Turn out the most important thing of the summer getting him back to fitness thats a 30m player that boy

18 Aug 2012 11:03:21
Happy new season reds and eds :)

Hopefully Borini gets a start and Assaldi gets some time on the field today!

My prediction is~ WBA 1-3 Liverpool
Borini, Suarez, Gerrard (pen)

Just can't wait for the league to start again.
Let the 9~10 months of madness begin!

I'm so excited lol!

K.Bennett

18 Aug 2012 10:57:59
Lets kick some WBA ass today :)

Padre

18 Aug 2012 11:00:36
Don't be surprised if Dempsey goes to Arsenal guys, he's already said that he wants to join a club in the champions league.

European football he said

18 Aug 2012 11:00:02
Happy new season reds and eds :)

Hopefully Borini gets a start and Assaldi gets some time on the field today!

My prediction is~ WBA 1-3 Liverpool
Borini, Suarez, Gerrard (pen)

Just can't wait for the league to start again.
Let the 9~10 months of madness begin!

I'm so excited lol!

K.Bennett

Assaidi didn't train since he got here mate and I don't think BR is someone to put in a player straight away without having worked with him.

AG

18 Aug 2012 10:55:14
Is it just me or is anyone else concerned by BR's tunnel vision? It's fine playing like Barca when you have Messi chipping in with 70 goals a season but without him even with the tons of talent they have at their disposal they struggled to break teams down.

Now Rodgers is making comments like "I will make plan A better before turning to plan B" or do anything other than play Carroll.

Would love to see us win the title but all great managers have flexibility. Something BR seem to be lacking.

HR

I'm not being bias but I'm pretty sure Suarez is close to messi just not as good as finshing and free kicks

Mate, His LFC team have not even kicked a premireship football yet.

I see what your saying about messi etc, but LFC still have some great players that can finish teams off. We have to learn to pass better anyway IMO, and even though we had good possession last season i felt we were too defensive with our passing and when we went forward we didn't have the finishing touch.

This season we have better firing power and if we can get Sahin his link up work up with suarez and boroni with their movement and anticipation should be immense! Also gerrard and lucas hopefully remaining fit will give us loads more attacking options

gareth

Is he trying to play like barca or is he trying to play like liverpool
RD

18 Aug 2012 10:46:17
So West Brom it is. Full points haven't been exactly slam-dunk against this lot in recent years. They can be mightily competitive on occasion and have a mettle to outfight the top teams.

Like us, they have a new, young promising manager and have made some astute acquisitions this summer. They'll be keen to impress.

However, I'm positive. Last time out at the Hawthorns we ran out 0-2 winners with a fairly compelling display.
We return there a newer, meaner, slicker, hungry and more motivated side.
There's a measure of calm and fearlessness permeating our play.

We seem able to convert dominance into goals. Our defence, 3rd best last season, seems solid enough and will sure get more immense as the season unfolds.

I think we'll give them a spanking, a proper pasting, as we will most.
So 2-6 is my bet. Genuine.
Hatrick for Fabio, two for Stewie and the other for Lucas.

No disrespect to West Brom, but honestly, we'll have too much class for them.

*rupertnorth'sxpertanalysis*

I think 3-0 with Borini, Agger and Suarez

I hope Suarez gets some goals he's in my fantasy football team :(

Given the good job Steve Clark did with our defense, I think it will be difficult to break them down at the back. Im sure he won't want to loose his first game at home, so I'm expecting a tight one.

18 Aug 2012 10:38:56
Good luck Brendan, come on you reds.

18 Aug 2012 10:37:52
All I want is Liverpool to deliver a title before stevie retires, it's all he needs, and what he deserves.
I think we are going in the right direction now, just dreaming it happens.
Cal

If he can hang on for 3 more seasons, I reckon we could be in contention.

I wish i cud agree a million time to it but sadly i cant..so agree million times...

Was that 3 or 33 mate

Exactly what i wish for the LEGEND deserves it!
REDistani

18 Aug 2012 10:24:43
Morning All , just taken my son shopping (of course in his full LFC kit) to buy the new top of course for me for the season ahead cant wait for 15.00 stupidly excited for the season ahead, come on boys and do us proud.

An excited Jim

Can't wait to have a son so I can do the same

Red Raw

Hey guys.. Us girls dont mind getting the LFC kit on and going shopping too ya know.. Daughters and sons, as long their reds!
ItsNotRocketScience

My girl is pregnant as we speak with a little boy, she is due in december and i have already got him the full strip, liverpool dummies, bibs, babygrows, the lot! He is a red and he doesnt even know it yet. Can not wait... Bring on wba come on red men!

Ian the red

Not saying girls can't have the kit too. I'm just a typical guy that wants a son haha

Red Raw

I have a framed picture on my mantlepiece of my son about to come home from hospital (2 days old!) in a full liverpool kit !!........andy.

18 Aug 2012 10:18:29
hello edd,s
as we all no prem starts today, im very excited,hope liverpool fc gaet a crackin start to there season at westbrom.im very nervous about sahin,i hope it goes through with the loan deal.can the eds have a stab in the dark and honestly say that sahin will keep his word and sign. this is murder for us fans. great site you all have done and i appreciate all the hard work you have put in. {Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean about Sahin keeping his word. He has options and has to agree with Mardid where he will go. One of thos options is Liverpool.

18 Aug 2012 10:14:25
just tried starting another fantasy football team under Yahoo and there is no Suarez for Liverpool??

Could there be something in this! lol...i know, i know..probably not!

gareth

Oops...typical...i made a mistake. He is there
lol
gareth
sorry

18 Aug 2012 10:13:12
Good luck LFC for the start of season 2012-2013.
Lets all get behind the team.
Lets get behind Rodgers,
we can,t expect him to deliver the title in the first year,
realistically even fourth spot is going to be a challenge.
But he's young so lets give him the time and patience
he needs to rebuild the club.
We need stability and a fresh vision
We Are Liverpool! Come on LFC!

18 Aug 2012 10:12:41
Dempsey has refused to play Fulham's season-opener against Norwich this weekend and has been fined a week's wages by the club. -Mirror

Given the player's well-documented desire to join the Reds, this seems a fairly strong indication as to the inevitable outcome to the saga.

18 aug 2012 10:05:31
happy new season day everyone !!!!!!!11

18 Aug 2012 10:05:09
Chris Bascombe Telegraph (page s7) What will become "new Anfield" has received it's first lick of paint. More than one million pounds was spent on upgrading the stadium's interiors, while Liverpool City Council has just announced the demolition of 36 neighbouring houses, one of numerous obstacles to expansion removed. Redevon

18 Aug 2012 10:01:52
Dempsey will look a right muppet if he doesn't get his move after not playing for Fulham!
Redmanluka

He will get his move though.

DaveyBootle

Hopefully he does move....to LFC!

Got my fingers crossed it happens!

K.Bennett

I would love Dempsey and Sahin but got a feeling Arsenal could pip us on the two of um...
TT

18 Aug 2012 10:01:49
Team Goals Shots/On Target Succ Passes
Arsenal 68 447 223 16613
Chelsea 62 489 218 15132
Liverpool 43 488 196 14558
Manchester C 88 485 227 16863
Manchester U 86 438 229 16172
Newcastle U 55 339 148 10592
Swansea City 43 317 135 16951
Tottenham 63 481 220 15712

Things can only get better

Don't you just love statistics?

18 Aug 2012 09:55:13
Ed's
is there a problem with the site i replied to a post
on banter before and the original post has gone now?
LFC1992 and his summary of Ramirez's "move" to the saints/ wage etc
just curiuos
redtilimdead {Ed002's Note - The post was absolute nonsense and should never have been put up.}

Thanks Ed,
it was a hoot i couldnt believe it!
Great job done by you all,
redtilimdead

18 Aug 2012 09:50:55
Why is everyone having a go at Gaston Ramirez liverpool never had a bid accepted only southampton did.Inter and Juve failed with bid's involving players and he never wanted to go to Germany. If i was at bolonga and a PL made a bid for me put a £50,000 a week contract on the table with first team football i would sign it.
With a few new players we will have a good squad lets just beat west Brom get a couple of signings like Sahin and Dempsey would be great, and i think we have every chance get in the top 4 and maybe better. We will not have a season like last because we will not hit the post 30 plus times surely. Can't wait for kick off love the first day of the season.

Red raj

Southampton's bid hasn't been accepted.

18 Aug 2012 09:50:54
Guys the fact of the matter about oussama assaidi is hes played in holland for good time nobody else has signed him before us hes not really got that many goals or assists yes he looks good but to me we are living in dreamland the way we are saying could be top class he reminds me of the other moroccan we had nabil el zhar looks good but is actualy hopeless get real

I know 3 goals and 3 assists all in one game. Terrible that.....

He's a talented kid and only went for a small fee as he only had 12 months left on his contract. I call it good scouting e.g Newcastle, you call it bargain basement.

We'll wait and see, but give the lad a bloody chance.

Papa G

Yes one goal in every 3-4 games on the wing. Most of which he created the chance himself. Had Ajax wanting him. Must be crap.

I smell a manc.

Red Rout

Let the lad play before passing judgement!

18 Aug 2012 09:50:15
Does any one have a link for today's game

Thanks

Ronaldo7 or firstrowsports.

Firstrow sports or vipbox.com

18 Aug 2012 09:49:44
Anyone know where I can watch the game?

Rob

Yeah the hawthornes

18 Aug 2012 09:43:50
if carroll goes near to or on deadline day. who will replace him? last season we couldnt score goals and i am worried that we havnt got a recognised goal scorer in our team.

Carroll was hardly a recognised goalscorer last year was he? so what does it matter if he goes?

BrisbaneLFC

That's not what the original poster said Brisbane. They were too different things, first asking about Carroll, then stating we have no real goalscorer.

But in answer, Dempsey seems to be the one people are saying will replace Carroll. He is also a proven goalscorer. Also give Borini a chance, maybe he will be too.

Red Raw

18 Aug 2012 09:43:07
Hi Ed , is there any truth in the rumour that all new transfers now rely on the Adam,Caroll loans /sales ? I have heard that due to initial outlay Fsg want space made before new additions and that if Adam ,Caroll don't move then there is a blockage to bring new faces.

Cheers kobi {Ed002's Note - Clearly one or two players will be leaving the club. I am not sure I would use the word "depend" though.}

18 Aug 2012 09:20:09
Could we have a site of contributors favourite Ed 2 sarcastic responses? Every now and then I could do with a good laugh. {Ed002's Note - Try the Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m }

18 Aug 2012 09:19:16
Can't wait for the fun to begin.
Anyone care to give a prediction on game tonight?

LFC 3 - 1 West Brom

Gareth

2-0

Jonesred

Easy 3 or 4 nil win.

6-0 suarez hatrick, gerrard 2 and borini 1. 70% possession. West brom 2 shots off target....
Total massacre.... And a lot of raised eyebrows... Can't wait.
YNWA The Pirate

3-0 for Liverpool. Think Borini and Allen will be the difference for us this season. Also think Downing will prove people wrong if given the chance. C'Mon Reds.

IMH

1-0 will do for me. 3 points are the most important thing.

8-0 to Liverpool. Sorry for the negativity but I just don't see us scoring more than eight until we get an established striker
COME ON THE REDS!!

cozinoz

1-2 in favor of Liverpool. Borini and Johnson.

18 Aug 2012 09:05:45
Ah, I remember a time when the best players couldn't wait to join LFC.
20-25 years later LFC just have to settle for players from the next tier down
20-25 years of 'pi*s poor' management, lack of vision and ambition, will sadly do that.

They also didn't cost an arm and a leg 25 yrs ago.

25 years ago when they were all on 50,000 a year instead of 100,00 a week get real mate it's a different global game now, you can reminisce all you like but the game's not the same I remember those days too and I'd rather have this than that!

18 Aug 2012 08:59:40
One has to question Gaston Ramirez's ambitions to even contemplate signing for a team like Southampton.
Personally, if that's what he wants then 'good luck to him', obviously not worth the money or effort.

You clearly are a typical clueless Liverpool fan stuck in your deluded little red bubble. Before you slate players and clubs, why not get your facts straight. Southampton are richer than Liverpool, have the best academy in the country, will increase stadium capacity to more than Anfield and aspire to compete at the highest level. Ramirez is one of many top targets. It's easy for you lot stuck in the 80's to think that a newly promoted side will be your cannon fodder. But get real and get in the know before opening your dumb mouth.

Arsenal fan here
goodluck to liverpool and southhampton today.just would like to add a word about southhampton,they are a fantastically well run club with a fantastic accadamy (arsenal and the spuds can vouch for that) and a great stadium,they are a club on the up,mark my words

Second poster don't talk bo**ocks, Southampton richer than Liverpool? Our revenue streams alone dwarf what Southampton can earn and the best academy in the country??....WHAT?? Just because they've produced a few decent players doesn't mean they have the best academy in the country you wally. Also do you really think that prospective players will look at things like the academy? They want to know how much they will get paid and how much they can win, don't you dare tell me that Southampton can pay more in wages than us and in terms of winning things get a grip. I'm quite confident they will win sod all for the next five years at least. The fact is LFC were never seriously interested in Ramirez but if we were then there is no doubt that he would have chosen us over Southampton, you know why? Because this is the real world, he's only even considering Southampton because they are the only club seriously interested and thats a fact.

To the angry Saints fan, you're not richer. You make virtually nothing and have no where near a large fan base. Your owners hold the money, not you. Southampton are second favourites to go down, for a reason. You have still got the majority of a league 1 squad that you haven't improved enough and St Mary's as the last I heard was going to 40k which is still less than Anfield (Which in the mean time is also going to be upgraded to 55-60k. Oh and you academy might of produced Chamberlain and Walcott, ours is far more abundant with talent and within the next 3 years they'll step up and show what they're really capable about. So before you try and act like your top premier league quality, take a look at yourselfs as you are still very far away.

Final note, Ramirez was interested in the absurd money you were offering. He isn't worth nearly that much per week.

The bitters are now the deluded ones lol

Is he good enough? have you seen him play?

Sorry mate D-
None of them are on what you have put.
Piddy.

18 Aug 2012 08:34:13
the times say's bologna rule out gaston ramirez moving to southhampton for £11.8m.,stoke after charlie adam aswell,also dont rule out the bitter's for adam. finno61

18 Aug 2012 08:26:52
i posted earlier about my slight lack of faith that Ramirez was off to Southampton, and it seems to be true...No, i'm not suggesting i was clever here but did seem a strange mix.

The reason for my post is to ask whether it was His agent, club or player that finally said no to the club? I have read the club want £16 million so maybe thats all it is. However, if player had say in this it does make me wonder why he would do that after saying Southampton made him feel special so he chose them. Can't help wondering if he is not a particularly trust worthy guy?

Gareth

Seems like he just wants the biggest wages he can get tbh, probably doesnt even know where southampton is.

18 Aug 2012 08:26:30
Clint Dempsey wants to leave Fulham, but does not want to leave London.

Redcoat

He's angling to move to the Arse. Its obvious

18 Aug 2012 07:54:59
We have acquired a very technically gifted player and strong athlete in Assaidi.

There are questions about his decision making.

He signed for us, so he got at least one right in the last few days.

The Squirrel

He isn't very strong tbh

Strong athlete, theres a difference

18 Aug 2012 07:54:01
Dempsey will be signing for Arsenal - He has publicly stated he wants Champions League football and is settled in London, so makes perfect sense and they have the money to attract him, plud have been long term admirers - However, it will mean LFC will get Sahin on loan, with an option to sign.

Johnson off to Sunderland (loan) and Walcott going no-where, but we do have a serious interest in Sinclair and Tello (Sinclair looking the most possible).

Agger and Carroll to stay - Spearing (loan - Southampton/WBA or Reading) and Adam (Everton, Stoke and Fulham all interested) to go.

Finally, in addition to another winger, we are still in the market for another 'flexible' defender (ie. play more than one position at the back) with Santon from Newcastle and Richards from Man City on the radar plus another attacking midfielder/striker, with Zaha of some interest.

You got no chance of getting Santon from Newcastle .

18 Aug 2012 07:35:30
Can't wait season to start finally a good win that's all that's needed for the confidence!

2-0 to us Borini and believe it or not Downing to score!

NS

Ur crystal ball and tarrott cards seem to be working well this early in the morning !

18 Aug 2012 07:22:38
noticing the pattern of brendans signings

1youthful
2 hungry
3 pacy
4 skillful
5 humble
6 hardworking

borini allen assaidi all seem to fit these criteria, borini and assaidi are known for their workrate off the ball, and allen cover the ground,all seem to be level headed young lads with good characters and determination to do well.
i can see parts of his plan coming together already, these guys will harrass and harry the opposition relentlessly for ninety mins and each has the technique and skill to controlthe tempo with short simple passes(allen) score (borini) beat his man and create chances(assaidi) i think we re gonna see aliverpool side full of hunger and determination this season. can t wait til 3 pm

tom1975

Ur forgot usless

18 Aug 2012 06:52:47
hi, eds, have u heard of segura has left? {Ed002's Note - He has.}

18 Aug 2012 04:42:54
Hi, eds, if we can't loan sahin, do u think we will try to loan another player? {Ed002's Note - Possibly.}

18 Aug 2012 04:10:21
Is there strong interest in Jordy Claise, He would be a very good backup plan for Sahin. Would be a Assaidi kind of transfer.

AJ {Ed002's Note - None that I am aware right now.}

18 Aug 2012 03:50:45
Ed, how long before suso is in contention for starting 11? He will be 20 in November 2013 {Ed002's Note - It is not something we can sensibly answer.}

18 Aug 2012 00:56:53
Hey EDs can you confirm if Pep Segura has left! If so why was this not on PepeCam or am I confusing it with PepCam?

How is Neil, haven't heard him moan recently! Happy 55th Bday ED, I know it's soon and wanted to be the first of the wellwishers!

JonBoy6
YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - He has.}

18 Aug 2012 05:27:21
1st Liverpool
2nd Manchester United
3rd Manchester City
4th Chelsea

Harde876

Really wish this was true mate, but think it maybe a couple of years too early yet.

City
Pool
Ncufc
Spurs
Order of top 4 irrelevant but utd, chelsea and arsenal are in decline

Fairly optimistic mate, but I like your optimism!
KiwiRed

Love Liverpool, but people agreeing are seriously optimistic! lol
I like that attitude of course but realistically i think:

1) Man city
2 Chelsea
3) Man U
4) Spurs/Liverpool

I do think we can get 4th but its going to be tight i think

gareth

Unrealistic. United is too damn high.

Drigan

I agree with that apart from united in 2nd i'm hoping to see them relegated this season.

Getting a bit too carried away mate

Jonesred

Chelsea
MCFC
MU
Arsenal/Liverpool

Hilarious

Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal / Tottenham

City
utd
pool
chelsea

Honestly

1 united
2 city
3 liverpool
4 chelsea
5 arsenal

1. united
2. city
3. chelsea
4. LIVERPOOL
5. arsenal
6. spurs

Cuchulainn's Hounds

After the game today best we can hope for is 10th absolute shambles. if that is the new style of attractive football under rogers then god help us

18 Aug 2012 05:24:23
It is just a shame we were not able to bring in Dempsey because of Adam.

I suggest we should send this excess weight to reserves.

I though with Dempsey and Sahin in the bag w have got a very good chance of challenging for the 4th spot.

But because of useless deadwood we have, Adam, Cole, Spearing and Carroll it has made difficult for us to land them.

Shame, we should never let Adam, Cole get close to first team, let them rot....

I just hate them now... they will be responsible for it, if we miss out on top 4 this year.

Bosco

Mate, have a bit of class. To call Adam, Cole and tbh any Liverpool player deadwood is bang out of order.

Not their responsibility if we don't reach top 4. It is more the fault of the people that brought him here.

AZ

Cheer up Bosco, a whole new season is just about to start.

The Squirrel

You hate someone for wanting to stay and fight for their place.

What a horrible little person you're.

Papa G

You are what is wrong with the club, not them. Adam wants to stay and fight for his place at Liverpool, whats wrong with that? Why can't you just support the team?

We have the funds and wage bill to purchase Dempsey, it has nothing to do with Adam. You need to get over yourself and get behind the team.

KiwiRed

I'm fairly sure we haven't got Dempsey because Fulham want more money than we have offered, not because of Adam.

What is wrong with you mate?

We have seen money wasted on players for many many years before Kenny came back.

Nothing compares to this list of rubbish
Josemi, Nunez, Pelligrino, Gonzalez, El Zhar, Voronin, Degen, Dosenna, Ngog, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Konchesky, Aquilani etc. Even Morientes was a total waste of money.

Adam is on low wages so that cannot be the reason why we aren't signing Dempsey. Fulham want to much for him and Rodgers has made it clear that he won't pay over the odds for any player hence the reason why we did not sign Sigurdsson. Spearing is another player who came through the youth system and doubt he is on mega wages either. Carroll wants to stay at the club and he is by far better than any of the rubbish bought in the past (refer to past players I mentioned above)...

Cole is the only player you mentioned that is on big wages and doubt we will find a club that is willing to match what he is earning. Saying that, BR rates Cole.

For you to say that Carroll, Adam, spearing and Cole will cost us 4th then you are being a bit premature mate. Rodgers picks the team so let the players do the talking on the pitch and try and be a bit more positive as our first match of the new EPL season starts today.

Red4Life

Give the deadwood naming a rest please Bosco. Whether you rate Carroll or anyone else for that matter Deadwood? Really? If he goes for £17 million or something along those lines...im guessing Carroll isn't deadwood actually, nor cole, adam or spearing

gareth

Bet they speak highly of you. Your an idiot
Tommy.

The legacy of very poor purchases and acquisitions. Now we are stuck with a few players, that no other teams actually wants.
I think it will take a good season or two, maybe three before we have a team of 'real performers'!.
Right now too many donkeys and carthorses and not enough race horses!.

Your an absolute blobhead, because one of our players is unwilling to leave our club where he is happy, uproot his family and move to a completely different part of the country or even a different country, you think it is ok to abuse them?
They have had injuries and maybe they were not the right signings for us, but where do you get off thinking it's ok to treat our players like this.
Have they treated us like Tevez did city or Rooney Utd?
The club new Gerrard was struggling with injuries before last season started so Adam was brought in, now if he has another injury hit year we are left with, Henderson, Shelvey, Allen (with Borrini and Carrol up front) all really young, with Lucas coming back from a long term injury, BR may think he is not ready to let all his experience leave this year without replacements, and Sahin has not yet signed (and unproven in this league).
Not only is your total lack of respect for the players that currently wear our shirt offensive, but the very fact that you presume to know what the managers intentions for players is, is infact annoying.
In short if you dont have anything decent or consructive to sey about OUR players, then dont bother saying anything.
RNred

Exactly.....

I can't believe how disrespectful you are bosco to our players. Are you actually a Liverpool fan? I have supported Liverpool for over 40 years and no matter who pulled on our shirt good or bad they always got my full support when they went on the field. I suppose if we win the prem or for that matter any trophy this year with some of this supposed "deadwood" contributing in anyway, you would be the type of supporter to go running around telling everyone how great a fan you are and always supported the team through good and bad. Do you know the squad as a whole contributes in their own way, some good some bad but they all stand together accountable as1. As fans we do too. Constructive critism is always welcome by anyone in any form of life but pure hatred, bs and constant insults only show your true colours. Sorry for the lengthy rant guys but enough is enough. Simonpw

You may dislike Adam and Cole, Bosco, but there are thousands of Liverpool supporters who think you are an absolute tit

cozinoz

Bosco isn't a Liverpool fan.
Isn't it obvious?
He's one of those perpetual moaners who's only ever happy when he's moaning.
In other words, he's a person

There is no place for them to fight for. they are not wanted hence trying to sell carroll and include adam in a deal, they want to stay at liverpool because they are at a big club and there is only downhill for them after this.

18 Aug 2012 05:15:47
Wow! Finally the season begins today, with the current squad we have and with Bredon Rogers in charge im confident of the season ahead I think Liverpool FC is goin to have a great season.
My prediction for todays game is WBA 0-4 LIV

Harde876

4-0 you re optimistic

i m gonna go with 1-1 its the first game of the season away from home
be delighted if it is 4-0 though
tom1975

18 Aug 2012 04:46:53
Has Pep Segura definitely left his post at Liverpool? Bad news if it is the case but the only source who has mentioned it is some fella from The Times. Nothing on the official Liverpool website, no announcement, nothing. Can anyone confirm for certain whether or not he has left?

SMc

18 Aug 2012 01:57:05
Pep Segura has decided to leave Liverpool. Thanks for all your hard work Pep, YNWA.

This is not good news. What has motivated him to leave? I don't like the sound of this.

Liv65

18 Aug 2012 01:51:44
Ramirez to the saints, theres only two reasons this is happening. 1 bid accepted and him saying its a good move might make bigger epl teams up there efforts. 2 And what i think is most likely, he accepted big wages for 21 year old no one else would offer him and he believes in next year or two playin at saints will make bigger teams want him and have offer more wages than he wud be on at saints. Who would want that type of player kopidol

You're uninformed and deluded as most of you lot stuck in the 80's.

I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but pretty soon Southampton will be competing with Liverpool. If Liverpool don't sort it out, we will surpass you for sure.

Now let's hear all the dumb uninformed comments from delusional fans that know nothing that goes on outside the little red bubble they live in.

You're having a laugh mate, get back to your own website mate! Oh wait...

18 Aug 2012 01:41:33
I was just reading about Assaidi.

He signed for us over Ajax. Spartak Moscow and Galatasaray were after him too.

The boy passed up CL football from a few clubs to join us..

and if Ajax's coaching team think you have talent - you do!

This fills me with optimism we may have a real star on our hands.

I can't wait to see him play now!

BJH YNWA

18 Aug 2012 00:47:27
Nuri Sahin will not be coming to Liverpool, that is for sure, so lets move on and try to acquire players who want to play for the shirt.

Clint dempsey will be signed for a fee in the region of £6m.

Carrol will be flogged on deadline day, Newcastle's bid of around £15 will be accepted.

Gaston ramirez will sign for spurs or southampton, not for liverpool. He is a tremendous player and would be ideal for liverpool, but unfortunately he will not be signed.

Liverpool will sign Edin Dzeko on loan for the season.

18 Aug 2012 00:40:28
Forget team alliegencies, vote on the best deal regardless of who u support.

Allen for 15 million - click Agree

Ramirez for 12 million - click Disagree

I think most people realise that Liverpool overpaid for Allen due to an agreement with Swansea. I wouldn't worry he will be worth a lot more than that if his progress continues as it has been.

Rowan

Im agreeing not because I know whos better for Liverpool but because Brendan thinks they are better.
I believe Brendan will be great for Liverpool he seems to be exactly what we need a man with no sentiment just about results.
He reminds me of Fergie in that respect which is a good thing as he is not afraid to drop big names if they threaten points on the pitch or dont do exactly what is asked of them.
He has so far kept our best players which has been a masterstroke in my oppinion.

Kopping a feel

I completely agree Allen will progress as a palyer, plus ramirez's club say they want at least 16 million.

Can we not vote AT THE END OF THE SEASON when they have played competitive games for their teams!!

Ramirez will cost any team 16mil. Southamptons bid was rejected.

18 Aug 2012 00:39:46
Forget team alliegencies, vote on the best deal regardless of who u support.

Borini for 10 million - click Agree

Mirallas for 6 million - click Disagree

Or both

Jonesred

18 Aug 2012 00:18:18
If Sahin performs at the level he did for Dortmund then I think he should be first choice ahead of Allen. I know we paid 15m for him but Sahin, on his day, really is a world class player who has been looked at by many big clubs around europe unlike Allen. If we can secure him on loan I think he will be the missing link in our midfield and be a stand performer if he adjusts well (which i expect him too). Hopefully they'll be a agreed fee at the end of the loan as he's a player i've always wanted to see in a red shirt (on a permanent deal).

RDR

Sahin is not a stand in for Allen, more likely Enrique or Lucas and it is possible that Rogers could play Lucas Sahin and Allen all in the same team

For instance

Reina

Johnson Skirtle Agger Enrique

Lucas

Gerrard Allen Sahin

Suarez
Borini

Subs Assanini Kelly Downing Stirling Caroll Jones

Great line up for difficult away matches, very fluid with interchanging of positions

Yes lets alienate a player who we signed 3 weeks ago by dropping him for a loan player who will most likely return to Madrid after the loan spell!
Makes perfect sense.....
jonnybarnes89-90

18 Aug 2012 00:10:53
The Southampton bid for Ramirez has fallen through. It was a premature reaction from gaston who was informed by none other than his ignorant agent who told him the bid was accepted by bologna when they haven't. Personal terms were agreed but bologna want nothing less than 20 mill for him. The clubs president has just been interviewed about the situation. Check it out if you don't believe me.

Chin up Ramirez

18 Aug 2012 00:08:37
I don't think we're going to sign any more players guys, I think we go with what we've got.

18 Aug 2012 00:07:40
Eds, how much of a blow is it to lose Pep Segura? How important do you think he was to our youth development?

Thanks!
Marc {Ed001's Note - he was hugely important, hence why he was not promoted to help with the first team! It was felt he would be instrumental in the development of the next generation in the U21 league.}

Very depressing news.

ChinUp

How about rodolfo borrell ed? they are a team right? 1 leaving might trigger the other..

Kaizer {Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

18 Aug 2012 00:01:18
Assaidi seems very skilful but does he use fancy tricks or just close dribbling? Just curious as I haven't seen him play.
Scouse_Pride

Bit of both. Kid seems a bargain for 3 million euros. Bags of talent. Just needs to focus it.

From what i have seen, which is not much, abit like suarez, not much tricks, abit of stepovers but thats all. but fantastic control though, and pace. suarez has great control too, just less pace.

Kaizer

I cannot wait to see him play

Thanks
Scouse_Pride

17 Aug 2012 23:47:19
Hello Eds, dya think young Adam Morgan may get a run this year? League Cup maybe? I really rate him. He's got a fire that needs fuelling. {Ed001's Note - I expect him to get a few cup games, or possibly a loan move, if a suitable one can be set up for him. More likely he will stay and feature heavily for the U21s though.}

17 Aug 2012 23:42:03
Hi eds and readers just seen this on the mirror football, it's kennys column that will be in tomorrows paper. Copy and paste:

By Kenny Dalglish

I really thought Arsenal had a decent chance of pushing for the title this season.

Like most of their own supporters, I was excited by their signings of Lukas Podolski, Santi Cazorla and Olivier Giroud.

I love kenny but why the Fook didn't he go after all these exciting players when John h give him £100 mil to spend instead of the bang average players he brought in for millions? I feel even more frustrated now that he can actually recognise good players like cazorla and podolski but just didn't bother trying to bring them in!

On a more positive note I think Liverpool will win by more than 3 goals tomorrow we've got a good record at WBA

RedAnt

Totally agree mate. Don

KK can now say anyting....becoz he has quit...its just becoz of him..we are not spending any penny now.......
ed..can we sell hendo???

17 Aug 2012 23:38:00
BR is finally going to put right one of my biggest grievances

We are going to have genuine wingers play like goal scoring strikers instead of having genuine strikers play as wingers

Used to make me cringe when kuyt/ babel and even heskey were made to play as wide players
Also thank god I won't have to see Gerrard and Henderson being asked to hug the touchline ever again

Leam Red

17 Aug 2012 23:26:31
Are we interested in any right wingers, because weve got downing, assaidi and possibly dempsey on the left but only sterling on the right

Downing will mostly play on the right this season. Borini can play there and Suarez can play there as well. There's also Joe Cole....

17 Aug 2012 23:13:09
For those who love comparisons against our peers
STRIKERS

Suarez (Rooney)
Carroll (Wellbeck)
Borini (Hernandez - chicorito)
Where is he !! (van persie)

Reserves/PL U21
Morgan (Powell)
Ngoo (henriques)

Free to leave
Kuyt (berbatov)
Bellamy (Macheda)

Leam Red

That is why Dempsey is a strong possibility

Suarez>rooney
Carroll>Welbeck
Morgan=Powell
Ngoo>Henriques

17 Aug 2012 23:10:37
Pep Segura has resigned, not good news is it? If this is down to lack of a promotion, then it makes you wonder if Liverpool was in his heart!

Keith

17 Aug 2012 23:04:31
hey ed? just wondering have i been banned or something couple of my posts haven't come through?
anyway a question for ed001 do you see losing pep segura as a step backwards or do you think it doesn't really matter?
Ruben {Ed001's Note - I think it is a huge step backwards, he is an excellent coach and the timing is terrible, if it is true.}

17 Aug 2012 23:02:05
Gutted about pep segura leaving, big setback for the academy. Have a none Liverpool related question. With barca and real now going to only pay per view tv in Spain will that affect sky's coverage over here?
Cheers
Tommy.

17 Aug 2012 22:58:35
Tello - no go, does not want move to uk
Sahin - no go, better offer from arsenal
Callejon - no go, never a real target
Walcott - just wants a better contract at arsenal as under threat from oxlade chamberlain and new signings
Ramirez - no go, overhyped

Agger - staying, just new contract negotiation tactics

Eds - can any post asking about the above be banned for the next 10 days

Dempsey (prefer dembele) - possible unless Spurs set in after failing to agree adebayor deal and we can't offload Adam or downing
Mirallas - absolutely gutted, watch this guy's stock rise in the PL - we will be kicking ourselves in 6 months
Butland - buy now and loan back to Birmingham

Leam Red
Cavani / higuain/ m Suarez / soldado / kaka / Alonso only mentioned to excite the dreamers

17 Aug 2012 22:56:48
would it be in Liverpools intrest to put in a bid for Adebayor? he wont get game time at City and we might be able to get him on the cheap!

rebel og

I'm not sure what you mean by cheap, because it certainly won't be his wages.

17 Aug 2012 22:57:58
Am I the only one who would be slightly concerned by the signing of Clint Dempsey, especially after the way he has conducted himself in recent weeks and the lack of respect he has shown towards Fulham and to Martin Jol? Instead of handing in a transfer request, he has refused to play for Fulham again, the club in which he is held with such high regard.He is however, a good player who proved he can score goals in the EPL regularylast season, and if Carroll were to leave he would be a good replacement.
But he lacks the pace and skill to be an out an out winger, which is were I hazard a guess at BR wanting to play him. Afterall they were the reasons why Kuyt and Maxi were sold; two players who worked hard, and scored goals, but lacked the pace and skill we desperetly need in the team. And I'm sure I'm not the only one put off by his price tag of 10m plus.

Surely a quicker, younger, more skillful winger is what is needed. I mean look at Bale and Lennon for Spurs. In January Spurs were in the title race. Then Lennon gets injured, and Bale is played out of position and suddenly they are starring up at Arsenal, and failing to qualify for the Champions League. Without their speed, pace and skill Spurs really didn't have any other answers.

It is clear that to be a successful team you need quality wide men; someone who is prepared to take his man on and either cut inside or get crosses in from the byline. So ask yourself, who was the last top winger we had at the football club? Someone as good as Bale? Answer = Steve Mcmanaman. Almost 12 years ago. Since then we have had to endure the likes of Diouf, Kewell, Nunez, Gonzalez, Riera, Babel, El Zhar and so on, with the exception of Garcia maybe, and although Kuyt was a good player he was certainly no winger.

So rather than focusing our attention on an ageing attacking player, we should be focusing on adding at least one winger who has these qualities. Yes, we have signed Assaidi, and I'm sure BR knows that he signing a good player, especially for 2.4m. But we can't pretend to know to much about him; most of you hadn't even heard of him at this stage. And for that price he isn't exactly the signing that will get fans and pundits alike drooling over him (he may well prove to be).

I know people will be sick of hearing about 'why didn't we sign Ramirez'......but why didn't we? Clearly wages can't be an issue if he is prepared to join a club with a stricture wage budget, and it can't be because we weren't interested in him because we clearly have had some level of interest in him for some time. Plus he knows Suarez and Coates well, would only cost 4m extra than Dempsey. Yes I would like to us to sign Ramirez because he possesses these qualities and at 21 is only going to get better. I guess my main question is why are we closing in a a Dempsey for 8m when we could sign Ramirez for 11.8m.

Hopefully Assaidi can set the place alight but seeing as Sterling is still some way away from becoming a regular, Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi have departed and the only other option left is Stewart 'flop' Downing, then we really need someone else. Especially as we seem to have the cash to spend on Dempsey. And if we didn't have enough for Ramirez, or any other winger available who fits these qualities, surely selling the likes of Adam, Spearing and Cole could help fund such a transfer? Anyway, that is just my opinion, not saying you have to agree with me but I'm just trying to take a stand back and assess the situation.

Thanks for reading my post, I know it's a long one

YNWA

LFC1992

Dempsey is only doing that to join us. I would doubt he would do that to us.

Piledriver

You keep mentioning pace, but then you harp on about Ramirez. Have you actually watched him play?

17 Aug 2012 22:54:53
caroll adam spearing out by next week
ramirez and dempsey in
if the right offer comes in for agger hes is gone please post this eds you never post mine cheers
come on the pool tommorrow cant wait

17 Aug 2012 22:54:31
clint dempsey spotted in liverpool city centre having dinner with his agent....club source!

17 Aug 2012 22:54:27
I cant wait for tommorow. Cmon Liverpool!
Cheeky accumaltor down, and cheering on the reds! The good days are back!

Good feeling about the club this year! Or is it just me ?

Nonzy

17 Aug 2012 22:53:28
Hi ED's...I see that there is still a possibility of Dempsey and Sahin signing - Although, I wish BR would look at John Guidetti from MCFC. More prolific than Borini and much younger than Dempsey! Any chance!?

17 Aug 2012 22:53:14
Just watched the video of the new kid. Like what I see and like the fact he was cheap and unknown. I expect this could be a prime example of buy young unknown talent and they should make a resale price especially if they win trophies with us. Looking forward to the season and I have faith in whoever BR brings in or not as the case may be.
Good luck to us all as well as LFC and let's hope it's an exciting season. Cheers to all the eds and Macca and a question for ed 002.
Ed002, as you predicted the Gomel result any thoughts on tomorrow, I am thinking Liverpool win 4-0.
McB

17 Aug 2012 22:53:03
Please please please, for the love of all that is good in the world, get over Ramirez.

I knew very little about him until I saw his name mentioned here and I think I know even less after watching him in the Olympics.

It never fails to amaze me how many people live in computer footie world and assume a foreign name equates to quality.

If he does indeed sign for Southampton, having been linked with Pool, Spurs, City, Inter etc, don't you think that maybe, just maybe none of these 'big' clubs actually wanted to sign him regardless of initial conversations.

Think about it....how many houses/cars etc do you at least look at before you settle on the one you buy?

I, for one, am happy at our business and actually think that last year's squad under-performed (despite playing really well at times) and the chances of Carroll and Downing in particular being so ineffective again are very slim. Add to that the ability of Allen to keep the ball and Lucas's recovery and we have a very strong, balanced side who will surprise many, many people.

Anyway, rant nearly over for me. Would love Sahin to sign but if he doesn't it won't be for the lack of trying on our part - it's a simple fact of life...some you win and some you lose...just ask Mancini re RVP. If they can't attract someone, we just have to accept that everybody is in the same boat.

Can't wait till tomorrow and I hope Ramirez does well for Southampton since they are my old man's team.

Scott

Cavani was also complete gash in the olympics don't mean he ain't still a good player.

17 Aug 2012 22:52:17
Eds, Echo reporting that Liverpool are not interested in Dempsey, contrary to popular belief, has there been a change of heart on the player or is this a "Smoke and mirrors" exercise?
Youdsie

17 Aug 2012 22:35:25
Just heard that Jose Segura has left the club, source being Tony Barrett of The Times. Don't know how reliable this is but can you confirm this eds?

This is a major loss since he was an integral part of the whole Academy in recent years. Rumoured that he was expecting a major promotion and it never came but Mike Marsh was promoted. To me that would be a slap in the face, lets just hope Rodolfo Borrell doesn't do the same.

Cheers,
Hassan

17 Aug 2012 22:21:42
andy caroll charlie adam jay spearing to be shipped out next week dempseyand ramirez coming in wait and see ed do you think we will sell agger if the price is met . i think we should sell him cause he is always injured wats the chances of wallcot ? thanks eds great job

17 Aug 2012 22:09:21
Ed is tiny Barrett worth listening too?

17 Aug 2012 21:42:54
Hi eds just wondering have we pulled off a coup with assaidi ? What do any of the eds seen him play ? I look at loads of players from across the world never heard of him just wondering what we can expect

17 Aug 2012 21:38:29
Hey Ed's.
The sahin deal is taking a long time to complete!
Can u tell me apart from this deal, is there any others on the go right now?
Also why the club won't pay 8-10mill for Dempsey is ridiculous, he's a top quality player.

17 Aug 2012 21:10:42
Hey ed's this may have been asked but I'm aware a few days ago there was a bid for moussa dembele from an unnamed premier league club, do you know who it was? Thanks

Yep, manchester united mate...

17 Aug 2012 21:10:09
I really this Wenger hinting that Sahin is a target is a smokescreen. I think he's after Dembele of Fulham or Tiote of Newcastle. Now either would be more a Song-like player. What do you think Ed?

Dembele would be perfect for arsenal they always have 1 big man in the middle otherwise they are just too lightweight

they've had viera then a year later got song.

Dembele isn't a midfielder

17 Aug 2012 21:03:19
hi ed have you any news on the agger situation? i hope he stays a red

17 Aug 2012 22:44:47
�'I was listening to the little boy inside of me' - Yeah, and the little boy inside of you was saying grab that 200k a week contract, you money grabbing traitor. To hell with Van Persie. It's just a shame he didn't take a lesson from Agger in loyalty. I know football is business, but it's a crying shame to see captains of teams move to their rivals. Anyway, here's to the likes of Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Sterling, Suso and Wisdom - the future of LFC, taught by the best. People say LFC live in history, that's because I really think we stick by the morals set forth by Paisley, Shankly, Dalglish and the rest of our legends: Stay to true to the club who believed in you.

JFT 96

JP

17 Aug 2012 22:40:11
Wouldnt it be a great lift if before game tommoz,the playing games stops. We stump up 8m for Dempsey and get bSahin loan done.What a buzz timing wise that would be!

17 Aug 2012 22:38:20
Pep Segura has resigned

Don

17 Aug 2012 22:35:25
as we keep getting linked with ramirez,dempsey and sahin.and fans on here really rate ramirez highly.i just wanted to set up alittle poll,would you rather RAMIREZ or SAHIN on loan and DEMPSEY.

press AGREE for ramirez or

DISAGREE for sahin plus dempsey..

i personly would go for the latter..cheers!

eire red

17 Aug 2012 22:29:36
caroll spearing adam out by next week ramirez and dempsey in agger looks like been sold if the right offer comes in

17 Aug 2012 22:27:56
Any truth in Segura quitting this evening?

17 Aug 2012 22:27:22
Steven Gerrard visit assaidi's medical and shake hand with him what a Honest man the captain is .

red-don

17 Aug 2012 22:23:12
Time has gone for debate lets just get behind the reds, new season I just hope BR is as good as he sounds and pre season suggests, I for one will be supporting the reds as ever, lets turn over the opposition in style, come on you red men no fear, make us proud best club and supporters in the bloody world, Whatever happens I am glad to be a scouser not a manc!!

17 Aug 2012 22:21:13
Wats the story with the signings off tello and sahin?

17 Aug 2012 22:19:40
Pep segura has quit according to tony Barrett big loss for the club apparently was promised a promotion which never happened davelfc1984

17 Aug 2012 22:18:44
Ramirez hasn't signed for Southampton.

He and his agent spoke to Southampton, but Bologna haven't accepted an offer.