Liverpool Banter Archive September 17 2017

17 Sep 2017 23:04:37
Anyone got a explanation for AFC's fighting performance today compared to the shambles when we played them, I thought that they were well worth the point, and don't suggest Derby cause we are all battling for top four.

18 Sep 2017 00:54:20
Don't think liverpool got the credit they deserved after the arsenal game. Everyone's first reaction was "arsenal were shocking" when in fact we just done a number on them. They're a great little side but we didn't let them dictate for a second and it could have been 7 0.

18 Sep 2017 08:46:35
Spot on, Superred. After we thumped them, 75% of the match reports were about how Arsenal was crap. Very few if any, talked about how great we were. Clearly, the media love LFC, right? NOT!

Arsenal was up for it as they always seem to be vs Chelsea of late and also, they were always expected to rise to the occasion cos they were more than dire at Anfield. It also does help a lot when Conte is completely outcoached and hammered tactically by Wenger. Even the Chelsea fans said Conte was pants tactically so a perfect storm for Arsenal. Well done to them.

18 Sep 2017 09:34:39
I'm not trying to take away anything from our performance, but it helped them against Chelsea by picking a much more balanced side to fit their formation.

He actually picked a LWB at LWB. He had more experience at CB with Mustafi over Holding. He picked Iwobi and Wellbeck where Ozil and Sanchez played. The difference in work and hard graft that came from them 2 made a massive difference in making them harder to break down.

I'm not saying we weren't good, but anyone think Arsenal were anything better than shocking against us, beeds to take the red tinted glasses off.

18 Sep 2017 10:42:23
sometimes players play good, and sometimes they dont?

18 Sep 2017 10:48:41
You can't expect Arsenal to be soft every game, they are capable of bringing out a resolute performance every now and then, it explains the amount of FA Cups they've won recently. I was very impressed by that performance from them.

18 Sep 2017 10:42:26
United are strong but I'm not having some of this Stand. De Gea is not the best in the world. I'd say he has very recently broken into the top 10 and he is now the best in the Prem. But I'd still take Neuer, Buffon, Oblak, Handonovic and Trapp ahead of him. He will surpass Neuer, Buffon and Handanovic in the next 12-24 months though.

On Valencia, that is hilarious. The guy is a time bomb defensively and sub par going forward. He wouldn't get in our team ahead of Gomez or Arnold. Plus you have Ashley Young at left back who would be 3rd choice left back at Liverpool.

Bailly i said when he signed will be the best defender in the league one day so I'll give you that. Jones, Smalling, Shaw etc are all profiting from being English and over hyped. Bang average players. Though I'd love some centre backs good enough to be called bang average at Liverpool, it doesn't make them good because they'd get in our team. LFC is hardly the centre back bench mark. Rojo, Darmian and Lindelof i remain unconvinced. Your defence profits massively from having De Gea, Bailly, and Mourinho's very tight defensive system. The players are still by and large very poor. Lindelof could be very good though in my opinion, once settled.

On your midfield, this is why you are title contenders. Matic (best in the league in my opinion), Herrera, Pogba, Mata and Micky are all great players. The depth there is ridiculous. I mean you still have Carrick who is probably still good enough to get on our bench who can't get near yours. Fellaini i don't get but he somehow does win you games despite being absolutely useless on paper. Mind blowing that.

Going forward though i think you will struggle at times. Martial, Rashford and Lingard are all young and will have off days, and Lukaku and Zlatan are very wasteful. When they're on form you'll hurt teams but you won't be in this purple patch all season and it is those days you'll need a bit of magic from your monstrous midfield.

Would some of your players get in our side? God yeah. De Gea, Bailly, Lindelof, Matic, Pogba for sure. That is the problem we have though, I'd say more of our players get in your team than vice versa, but all your players who would get in our team are the spine of the team. Keeper, centre back, and midfield. As we all know, it is a solid spine that wins titles. We have far better attacking players and marginally better full backs, but those are not positions you necessarily need world class players in. Top managers like Ancelotti, Mourinho and even Rafa know this. Coaches like Klopp seem to not understand it.

You are a better Team than us because of your world class spine, but Mane, Salah, Firmino (touch and go; Lukaku is a better goal scorer, but Firmino is a better player) Coutinho, Robertson and Gomez would get into your team most weeks. And just for clarity i don't even think Robertson and Gomez are top players yet, but you literally have retired wingers at full back! We badly needed Van Dijk and Keita this summer gone and then maybe we'd have the spine capable of challenging against yourselves and Man City. As it is, i expect us to finish 4th again. Liverpool have had one bad week though so I'm not having it that all of a sudden our team is shot. 3 weeks ago we dismantled Arsenal and were dubbed 'genuine title contenders'. International break and a bad 7 days later we are a bad team? Ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - you usually talk a lot of sense MK, but to say that valencia and young are not better than your full backs is wrong imo mate and de-gea is top 3 in the world..

18 Sep 2017 11:30:15
Valencia and Young are useless Ed. I don't know how you cannot see they are the biggest weak links in the United team. Martial, Rashford and Lukaku are all young and will reach the heights of Liverpools front 3, but wingers in their mid 30's will never be good enough for Man United. Salah and Mane will turn them into a smooth paste if we can isolate them against each other. The problem is, we won't be able to, because Mourinho has mad a habit of playing 6-3-1 against Liverpool in every game for the last 3 years since he came back to the Prem. They'll have Rojo and Young on Salah, and Darmian and Valencia on Mane in a boring 0-0 or a 1-0 win for them with an offside goal 🙄.

{Ed025's Note - its all just opinions in the end MK..

17 Sep 2017 21:53:56
Sorry if it's a silly question but where do I find the match reviews.

{Ed025's Note - football news and views page mate..

17 Sep 2017 21:34:33
A mate of mine a city fan is constantly banging on about how good Sean dyche is saying he's one of the best managers in the league. Just wondering what other peoples opinions are. And how he would do if he got a bid club.

17 Sep 2017 21:47:18
He'd do well at Utd, they seem to like defensive dour football.

17 Sep 2017 21:52:36
He has done pretty well with very limited funds. When Burnley first came up they were sure favourite to get relegated. I think his players respect him. The juries out I reckon.

17 Sep 2017 21:53:03
He will bottle at big clubs! Marco Silva looks good! One to watch for!

{Ed025's Note - i rate him as well harry..

17 Sep 2017 22:07:18
He got his tactics spot on against us yesterday, soaked up all the pressure on the first half, limiting us to long range shots and half hearted close range shots they were easoy blocked. Second half Burnley pushed up and he got his team to press us higher up the pitch, putting pressure on our back four.

17 Sep 2017 22:05:14
Agree with Harry, been really impressive so far.

17 Sep 2017 22:23:15
I like Dyche and i suppose when playing against us yesterday with a comparably tiny budget its understandable he would come to defend but this is why Klopp is such a legend, compared to most of his rivals he works off a much smaller budget yet isn't happy to just park the bus against them. If anything he has assembled probably the best attacking team to watch in the league and this in turn is attracting more top players we wouldn't have had a chance of signing a couple of years ago. All this while giving youth like TAA and Woodburn a chance.

17 Sep 2017 22:23:59
I've mentioned to colleagues and friends in conversation, I can't see why Dyche hasn't been picked by Watford or Southampton when they were looking for a manager. I think he would do well at a Mid Table side.

17 Sep 2017 22:39:58
I agree wcd, I wonder if he will say in pl or go to Europe next year?

17 Sep 2017 23:00:40
I hate how us Liverpool fans hate teams for playing defensively. Why shouldn't a team do that? Just because we can't defend doesn't mean others shouldn't! Marco silva has done nothing in a decent league as of yet yet dyche would bottle it at a top club? I hate the lack of trust in British managers because everybody here's a name that sounds foreign and goes mad. Not saying silva won't amount to anything but he's done nothing to suggest he's much to write home about just yet. Equally I'm not saying dyche wouldn't bottle It but he will get a bad rep because he's defensive minded and British. Burnley and Watford are on the same points, over the last five years Watford have spent far more on players than Burnley have. I think dyche does a very good job with what he has at his disposal.

18 Sep 2017 00:36:10
Dyches is good at what he does. Same as Pulis. I don't think bigger names would respect him but most of his squad know that if they ignore him and get too big for their boots, he'd drop them and move forward and still get results. That could be our problem, plays think they are above contestation when they really shouldn't be!

18 Sep 2017 00:57:29
He's pretty good tactically and seems to get a hell of a lot out of the players he has. He likes to play football and that is why people like him I think.

18 Sep 2017 01:20:05
Credit where it's due.
Dyche done great getting them promoted,

When they were then relegated he stayed with them, rebuilt and got promoted again.

Sometimes maybe wholesale changes isn't the way to go.

17 Sep 2017 22:00:31
You should have gone for him Ed025. He understand FOOTBALL! It's a bloody big thing mate!

17 Sep 2017 22:12:56
Next Everton manager Ed25? 😉.

{Ed025's Note - who knows irish?, we have a manager at the moment so its not part of our brief mate..

18 Sep 2017 06:45:53
Lamborini - I think he'd turn Watford down after they needlessly sacked him in the past.

18 Sep 2017 08:51:33
Sean Dyche is good at what he does which is set his teams up to defend well and nullify the opponent. He is doing what he can with the means he has which is very good. Let's see what he can do when he goes to a bigger team, with tho more money, BUT ambitious in terms of style of play. That is where the test will be. However for now, he's getting it done at Burnley.

18 Sep 2017 10:43:03
we can break down teams who sit defensively, we just lose our mentality. just like defending, we don't concentrate long enough and lose focus. we should be sticking to our guns and continue to playing the ball around the box, we can create chances, but we allow ourselves to be intimidated by the heavy numbers in the box and opt for long balls etc. we need to believe.

17 Sep 2017 20:32:48
Whatever you say about Mourinhos sides there are successful. Sometimes they play very attractive football but often they are pretty dour. So my question is, would you be happy Liverpool playing like that if it meant us winning the league?

17 Sep 2017 20:52:21
DO you think UTD are going to win the league?

17 Sep 2017 20:55:41
No you pay the money to be entertained.

17 Sep 2017 20:56:14
You can still win the league playing attractive football though.
just think of all his teams fans paying so much money to watch proper boring football, regardless of if we win the league or not we at least watch the most entertaining football in England.

17 Sep 2017 21:03:47
NOPE! Did you watch them last season? They were so dire that Mou had to make stuff up and blame the refs, the PL, Luke Shaw, Rashford, Martial, etc. for his dire showing in the PL and had it not been for them playing Ajax's academy in the EL final, they would be playing Apoel-whatever in the EL right now.

Also, They were exposed at Stoke and Everton played them off the park for large spells and had they had even Origi up top playing next to Roo, they would have won cos Utd was that dire and Everton don't have a striker. It's still early and we shall see whether Mou will start blaming Luke Shaw again when things start getting heated, as he blamed Hughes for telling him to bug off, as the reason he could not beat Stoke. Next question, pls.

17 Sep 2017 21:03:52
We played quite defencively under rafa and won the european cup and I was over the moon of course. Fans like results but it's much much more enjoyable watching a klopp team in full flight as opposed to a Jose team. I wouldn't like Jose at Liverpool though. Too much ego, from what we see of him, I don't like the guy. There are managers I like, Eddie howe for example even the Swansea guy. Likable, football playing managers. I think they will both have big futures. Especially howe.

17 Sep 2017 21:06:56
Personally no. I understand those who would, but United today were just terrible to watch. Sport at its most basic is entertainment, and we Liverpool fans are blessed to have had such entertaining football to watch over the years.

17 Sep 2017 21:13:19
Mourinho always has the knack of going into self destruct mode. It has happened at every club he has managed since leaving Porto.

The season is far from over and yes UTD are looking the part but they are yet to face any of the big guns yet (sorry ED025) and every team will have a dip.

17 Sep 2017 21:17:41
simple answer i would take 38 boring games to win the prem. waiting for very very long time for Lfc to win prem.

17 Sep 2017 21:18:46
The mans teams basically play defensive counter attacking football but with top players. Andre Silva at Hull basically. if he couldn't buy the absolute top players he'd get nowhere near a league. Will struggle for top 4 this season.

17 Sep 2017 21:42:30
Not won the league over 26 years, I would take any kind of formula to win the league! No one remembers how you played, history only remembers winners not even runners up!

17 Sep 2017 21:37:51
He is just a Tony Pulis or Sean Dyche with a billion pounds to blow on top players. Of course, you will be successful cos talented players are able to implement your vision better. He tried this at Real and tho they won a La Ligand and Copa, he was still getting his arse handed to him by Pep's brilliant Barcelona team in La liga and in the CL and eventually, got the sack. I wonder why?

Same thing against Klopp. Mou has more money to spend YET Klopp's style (on a significantly lower budget) has destroyed Mou over and over again hence why his head to head record vs Mou reads ONE defeat in 7 games (3 wins and 3 draws for Klopp) . I wonder why? They also had the weakest schedule of all the top 7 teams in the PL this season so they are winning the games they are supposed to.

We shall see if they win the PL or if Mou will blame Luke Shaw for all his failures in the PL like he did last season cos we all know that happened when they knew they could no longer catch us on our way to beating them comfortably to the CL places.

17 Sep 2017 21:55:46
Bingo

A small advice to you my friend? Do not ever come infront of Ed04, if you know the man 😄😄.

17 Sep 2017 22:18:43
Mourinho at Utd is an accident waiting to happen. The man is a complete cretin and the way his teams play mirror his own personality. Boring, niggly, negative, dishonest, cowardly. The fans will turn on him and he will turn on the players. It's just what he does. The poke in the eye at Real tells you all you need to know about him.

17 Sep 2017 23:06:09
I think those who say they'd rather play good football and win F-all are lying to yourselves be and are being bitter we're noir winning anything on the regular yet you're happy with that? Yes playing good football and winning things is the ideal but quite frankly at times we aren't doing either.

18 Sep 2017 00:30:14
Fair enuf johnny B but Mourinho'll play crap football and still win f$#k all.

18 Sep 2017 01:05:32
Nobody has won anything yet johnbarnes. Or lost anything.

18 Sep 2017 02:01:04
I think its a different Mourinho now to last season,

Last year he was trying to stamp his authority on the club,

Klopp did it with Sahko.

Mourinho blamed certain players to deflect the poor results from himself in the league while buying time in the cups.

He seems a lot more settled and secure this season, and knows he done way better than the previous managers,
He's probably realised that he is at the last of the giant clubs that will buy him the quality to succeed.

The rule change for the winner of the Europa league to go into the group stages of the champs league was a huge boost to his credibility.

18 Sep 2017 01:32:13
Haha I read the first line of a post and know it's BingoRed. Literally talks that much rubbish in every post. Every single of of you would take 38 1-0's to win this league. Don't lie to yourself. Your all banging on about the defence after every game, if it's just entertainment your after we're seeing lots of that with your defending. Belittiling a manager who's won the CL with Porto and Inter, won league and Cup titles all over Europe, it's ridiculous.

18 Sep 2017 06:00:22
I can kind of understand why you think like that Stand-United, but I disagree with you. I have to stay up until very late most times I watch Liverpool. I don't want to see them win 1-0 and play defensively every week for them to win the Premier League at the end of the season. I watch them to be entertained and winning anything is a bonus. The memories I keep are of the results and the way they were played.

I think Mourinho is a very good manager but I do not like his style of play at all. If Liverpool are going to wait so many years for the title and then they win it by winning every match 1-0 I personally am not sure it would have been worth the wait, but I'm sure there will be lots of people who will disagree with that.

18 Sep 2017 06:25:15
If you are happy with entertainment, Y worry about the defense? Why bother on the results? Regardless of any results we play one of the best attacking Footie.

18 Sep 2017 07:21:44
So Harry, if you only worry about results then why watch the games, just check the scores? It is the same counter argument. Neither side of the argument needs to be the extreme. For example, i enjoyed the football under Evans more than Rafa or Houllier but i was happy with trophies under the later two.

18 Sep 2017 10:45:23
I predicted Man United to finish 2nd behind Chelsea again and city to round out the top 3. But on evidence so far, how can people not say that Man Utd are legit title challengers?

They have bought very well. people criticized Lukaku but he scores goals and fits their system perfectly. many liverpool fans got caught up in lazy parochial assessments of Lukaku and totally missed that he is a big, strong and fast body that is essentially a younger version of Ibrahimovic. I can see Lukaku scoring 25+ goals this season.

elsewhere they have shored up their midfield, and we know with Mourinho that they will be solid defensively.

17 Sep 2017 18:46:37
I disagree. Everton were the better team for most of that game and had they had a real striker, they would have scored 2/ 3 goals today b4 Utd woke up. Now, this shows how poor Utd was during the whole game overall. Ed25, I know it hurts right now BUT take heart as your boys were very good today.

{Ed025's Note - we played better than we have been bingo but scoring goals is still a massive problem for us, that and our dfence being as bad as yours means we will always concede as well mate..

17 Sep 2017 19:08:38
For large parts of the game.

17 Sep 2017 19:42:57
That's a typical Jose performance. You don't win matches for being a better team. You win when you score more goals than opposition. Everton has no pace up front or at the back. Only god knows why lookman doesn't get a snif in. Mirallas should have started as well. And Siggurdson is not a wide player.
Jose Mourinho's team doesn't dominate possession. that's not his style and never ever had been.
UTD had complete control of the match and had Lukaku not missed an open goal it would have been over by 45ts. Over to you Ed025.

{Ed025's Note - i cant disagree harry..

17 Sep 2017 19:51:41
Mourinho doesn't care a duck about possession. He laughs at those stats. He would do a Burnley against Burnley lol. You could see on his face. He is enjoying.
No drama! No moaning and no excuses! It's his team. If good football is 99% possession and no goals then it's laughable!

Why don't you give a chance to lookman? The only lad in your whole team who has some pace!

17 Sep 2017 20:12:42
Harry, had Everton had a decent striker who could really feed off Roo's vision and guile, Utd would have been sunk today. They were lucky to get a point at Stoke as Stoke should have put 4 past that boring lot. Today, They were awful, one-paced and after Valencia's goal, NOBODY could really say where their goal would come from until Williams made his howler (the guy is worse than Klavan) . I felt sorry for Roo as the Utd defence crapped themselves every time he had the ball. Jones the best defender in England? Only a manc or a "football fan" would believe that nonsense. The guy is a joke and Bailly was no better even tho, I rate him. The only good player they have is Matic.

We will see if they win the PL or if Mou will start blaming me for all his issues cos there are issues in this team and NO, Klopp should NEVER bring that boring dross over to Anfield as we actually like scoring goals. We just have to be able to keep them out to the barest minimum.

17 Sep 2017 20:30:32
Ha ha great post bingored love a bit of utd bashing! To bash mourinio with the same stone makes it even better!

17 Sep 2017 20:30:58
Ha ha ha Oh Bingo I am in love with you man! Everton doesn't have that striker attest untill January. We will see how Everton fare against UTD in the return fixture. So UTD have only one good player that is Matic.
I like your deepest love for liverpool and I completely admire it But why so bitter mate. Just accept certain things and let it go! It's so wonderful! UTD are the most compete team in the league! It's as simple as that!

17 Sep 2017 21:13:08
How can you say that man? As a liverpool fan? I don't think I could get the words out. I agree with bingo coz he talks sense and understands how damaging it is to constantly knock liverpool's defence and call for klopp's head. Do you want us to win the league? Or would you rather tie red and white tassels on the cup and hand it to utd. They are not the most complete side in the league. At the beginning I thought we would win it, honestly I did. I still think we have a chance. (I personally keep faith until it is mathematically impossibe) but I'm worried about the cbs, they look shakey and lacking confidence big time. At this stage you have to say city look good. This is really early doors though and those writing off liverpool would've written chelsea off last year.

17 Sep 2017 21:16:18
Harry, we know you are a closet cough "manc" cough, I mean, Mou fan BUT just remember, WE (LFC) and Klopp (the one you are so bitter about) led by our capt. Jordan Henderson finished comfortably ahead of YOUR team last season after spending a quarter of what OUR team spent in the TW. FACT!

Oh btw, Mou is still yet to beat Klopp in the PL while Klopp was the catalyst that sent Mou packing from Chelsea, that other team you are in love with. FACT! In Fact, Kloppo owns Mou in the head to head games as well. FACT! He is so terrified of Klopp since Lewandowski put 4 past him and Real by BVB under the tutelage of you guessed it, Jurgen Klopp that he has to play 6 defenders to celebrate a point against him, FACT. Now, that was beautiful.

17 Sep 2017 21:19:49
Most complete team Harry? Lukaku is the player who has improved UTD the most. It will be very interesting to see how they cope should he pick up an injury.

Zlatan won't be back until next year either.

17 Sep 2017 21:30:38
I don't expect City to win the league. They have weaknesses. That is my opinion. lol I was the only one who wanted us to win the league and all you super liverpool fans told me to shut my mouth and be realistic about top 4 last season! You can't blame me for not strengthening the areas that needed to be strengthen. You can't blame me if the defense concedes silly goals.
As a liverpool fan? Let me hear what according to you is a Liverpool fan? what do you even know about other posters on this site? So please stop acting like the only liverpool supporter!

17 Sep 2017 21:34:13
I think they'll struggle without lukaku max. And as has been said a few times on here. they ain't played anyone decent yet. Stoke shouldve done em and Everton, despite the scoreline, shouldve got something. I'm not that worried about the utd games. It's the city's the spurs and Chelsea that will be the big tests. Utd are a europa league team really, especially without the big lad rom.

17 Sep 2017 21:40:51
There's nothing wrong with thinking critically and deciding that utd will win the league, I suppose. But it's the passion with which you support your claim that utd are great and lfc are dross. I personally don't think I could do that.

17 Sep 2017 21:46:18
Spot on Superred. Max, Harry is a manc and has been found out to be a manc after that reply he sent. It's over. The manc agent has been outed. Nowhere to hide anymore, Harry. It's over.

17 Sep 2017 21:49:02
Harry, but you are always complaining that we need a defensive midfielder when a defensive midfielder would unlikely have stopped us from conceding vs Burnley unless you can explain how a defensive midfielder would have when the ball was hoofed over our midfield, TAA made a has of it, along with Matip being bullied, Klavan being in nomansland and Mignolet doing what he does best, panic.

You drag attention your way Harry so please, do not make yourself out to be the victim.

17 Sep 2017 21:49:30
Max

I agree to some extent. But they did cope without Pogba today. And jose is not a man who wants his teams to score in abundance anyways. Score one and shut the shop! That's his style and someone from his team would nick a goal for him.
In terms of balance they are the best bet!

Bingo

I admire your optimism and has nothing but respect, but let's be real here! No one really bothers any head to head mate. We play for EPL trophy. 19 teams battle year in year out to win this trophy. Nothing else matters. 4 best teams gets an entry info CL.
Are we playing for something else?

17 Sep 2017 21:50:03
Liverpool did not spend a quarter of what Man Utd did last season. You are spouting nonsense again Bingo. Shocker.

17 Sep 2017 21:54:57
When you walk, through a storm, hold your head up high.

17 Sep 2017 21:56:00
I can't stand Mourhino but at the end of the day he gets results. He won the Europa League and the league cup and got United into the champions league in his first season.

I've sat watching Klopps Liverpool playing brilliant football at times but we've won nothing.

I was at the fa cup final in 2001 when we beat Arsenal 2-1. We were poor for lost of the game but ended up running out winners, I was absolutely buzzing leaving cardiff that night.

It's all about winning in my opinion .

17 Sep 2017 21:58:19
@Superred

Liverpool defense is dross! Show me if I have said the entire team is dross anywhere! I ll shave my head and walk from North Pole to South Pole naked 😄.

17 Sep 2017 22:07:28
Max

We need both mate. A top class midfielder who is poditiinslly sound ( you call him DM, FM, CM ) whatever.

General and not in context with Burnley match

When someone hoof the ball your center backs need to win it called the first ball and so what happens after that? The ball doesn't reach the sky. Does it? There comes the importance of positionally sound midfielder to win the second ball. Most of the times neither we win the first ball or the second ball.

17 Sep 2017 22:52:05
Cbs look shakey atm but I don't think they're as bad as they're being made out to be.

Fair enough wcd but you spend a lot of energy bigging up our fiercest rival.

There are three or four players who if you took them out of utd I think they would struggle to finish in the top ten. Utd have a decent spine but the rest are awful.

17 Sep 2017 23:26:20
What liverpool spent last year must be close to a quarter of utd budget? Be interesting to see the numbers.

17 Sep 2017 23:28:31
Instead of "we can't defend" I would have called myself "we can attack" or for the utd page "we can send you to sleep"

17 Sep 2017 23:30:44
As a United fan this thread is magic 😂 Bingo I understand and admire your hatred towards us as I feel the same about your lot! And superred91 you say about taking 4 players out of our team? Take out mane, firmino, coutinho and salah and your left with chuckle vision 😂😂 we are far from perfect but the bias is laughable 😂😂 Ps this is your year! 🏆😂.

17 Sep 2017 23:33:18
Some of us need to give our head a shake, Everton were the better team, that may be so but a poorer team just spanked them for 4? United have surprised me so far this season and not in a way I'd like. Will it continue? Who knows, I hope not. But let's not be stupid and make claims about them being a poor side when clearly it isn't true.

18 Sep 2017 01:12:14
Sturridge lallana henderson Can and wijnaldum are "chuckle vision"? Lol. Good point bigred.

18 Sep 2017 02:14:20
No one has mentioned the numerous world class saves De Gea has made each match.

That's the biggest difference of all between the 2 clubs, The 'spine' of any team starts between the sticks.

A keeper of De geas quality probably means you have 30 less goals to score each year.

18 Sep 2017 01:23:09
I didn't say they were a poor side, I said they aren't a complete side. They have had a great start, their new forward is scoring plenty already and their super expensive mf is coming good (still a massive rip off) But they haven't been tested against a decent team yet. Therefore to say they are going to win the league is more than premature. I think without lukaku they are going to struggle for goals and punning your hopes on one player is very dangerous.

But that really isn't the point of this thread. The point was about lfc fans swooning over utd and knocking lfc. I personally couldn't bring myself to say some of the stuff that's been said. For me it goes past thinking critically.

Bigred, truce mate, how often are liverpool praised on the utd page? I dunno, never been on it, that's your site, boundaries w/ e. I bet it's rare to non existent.

18 Sep 2017 09:21:39
Big red and Stand, I don't care for your post nor have I ever cared for what a manc has to say esp. a Utd fan who says, "This is your year" as that just makes him sound clueless. Mouth off all you want BUT you were in the same position early last season and what happened? Ah that's right, we finished comfortably ahead of you in the PL and with the ref's help, you won the EFL Cup and played the Ajax academy in the EL final. Brilliant! Get over yourselves cos you ain't won squat yet and neither has any other team.

No one is saying Utd are a poor side. All I said was that they were poor today (regardless of the final score) cos had they had a striker like Stoke did, they would not have lost that game. The facts back me up on that. Also, I don't care what other teams do neither do I go on their sites their sites trashing them cos I'm not interested in any of that crap. Utd has a very good team BUT they can be gotten at and Stoke and Everton showed that in abundance. What will happen to them when they meet a team with more attacking talent or better attacking talent than Everton and Stoke? That will be the test. Till then, The Utd fans need to chill out and btw, you will never find me on a Utd site cos I have nothing to say on there. Have good day.

18 Sep 2017 10:47:37
I think we're getting this all wrong regards Mourinho. how can people say that nay manager doesn't want to win 4-0? the point is that these managers set up their team to be difficult to beat but from that structure they have the firepower to also move forward and score goals. can't complain with their results so far. and actually if you are complaining it just sounds like sour grapes lol

leave it till they come to anfield!

17 Sep 2017 17:58:30
it's a good job klopp and koeman don't organise the defence of this country we wouldn't stand a chance.

{Ed025's Note - they are teaming up and going to run the italian army i heard steve..

17 Sep 2017 18:13:54
They are both average coach. They are not winning coaches.

17 Sep 2017 18:30:46
Im not one to gloat ed as we have our own problems but not a good display mate from the Ev today. Very passive I thought?

{Ed025's Note - bad set up KR and although our intensity was better it was 4-0 and thats the facts mate..

17 Sep 2017 18:32:04
Because May is doing a cracking job.

Maybe we should hire Mourinho as PM to park the bus?

17 Sep 2017 18:41:28
Ericos, then how did Klopp win the trophies he has won beating the great Bayern several times in the process? Pathetic post.

17 Sep 2017 18:52:52
BingRed mate klopp hasn't won trophies for yrs. There's a reason ED2 thinks he's not the right person and he hardly gets wrong.

17 Sep 2017 19:09:28
Well said bingo.

17 Sep 2017 19:29:52
When was the last time klopp won anything? I just don't know why Liverpool fans have a high regard for klopp. Klopp had been a manager for 17 years. Won the bundesliga twice, plus 2 other cups. He is just an average coach! Pls stop over rating the guy! It's time for Liverpool fans to face the reality that klopp will not lead us to the promise land. We need a Joshua to do that not a Moses!

17 Sep 2017 19:43:15
Give over Kopite, Klopp is top class. what does it matter what ed002 thinks? winning leagues against Bayern in Germany makes you top class end of, its like a team beating Celtic to the scottish championship. No Klopp at Liverpool and no chance of the likes of Van Dijk and Keita willing to join, remember that.

17 Sep 2017 20:10:49
Who would you have then Ericos, instead of just slating Klopp constantly?

17 Sep 2017 20:26:01
Ericos, you sound desperate. Are you a manc? Ed02 gave his opinion and that is just that, an opinion. You said Klopp was not a winning coach and I said he has won leagues and Cups in Germany before he came here and you now change the subject and say, "when was the last time he won something? . Make up your mind and stop shifting the goal posts.

Is Poch a winning coach? If your answer is yes then let me remind you that a coach who has won nothing at Spurs (been there longer than Klopp), can't beat Klopp in a game (3 draws and 2 losses) and has not won a thing in his WHOLE career, will never be a patch on Klopp and is NOT a winning coach. Again, you hate Klopp, we get it BUT stop making up crap in your head as it makes you look desperate and flat out, dishonest.

17 Sep 2017 20:34:57
Exactly back! It's all very well slating the manager but unless you have a realistic alternative in mind it will only damage LFC. We hit the cross bar in the last minute from a klopp substitute. An inch lower and everyone would be saying what an inspired decision it was to bring him on.

17 Sep 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Our defense and why Liverpool concede!

17 Sep 2017 18:32:06
Fantastic. I really must watch the build up again to see how everyone apart from Klavan and Robertson managed to end up marking thin air.

I'm sure someone's going to come out and say "zonal marking", but zonal marking doesn't mean ignoring opposition players as they run away from you. We zonal marked under Rafa and had an excellent record from set pieces, as much as Andy Gray would try to convince us otherwise.

17 Sep 2017 19:35:30
Did the ball just disintegrate after hitting matips head? Can't see it anywhere.

Cheers.

17 Sep 2017 19:49:19
It died of surprise that Matip did something.

17 Sep 2017 22:43:05
Somewhat ironic that we didn't conceed in that moment but your point remains.

17 Sep 2017 17:28:39
I thought our Western Union logo on the side of the shirts sleeve looked bad enough but have you seen Everton's? Angry Birds. Well right now they're playing like them 😏.

17 Sep 2017 17:50:14
Playing like budgies.

17 Sep 2017 18:47:01
Razor, I saw that too and it was hilarious.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know abut anrgy bingo, but definitely birds mate..

17 Sep 2017 17:05:08
With all the cribbing since 4:50pm or so on Saturday, a fair bit of it coming from me tbh, I'd just thought I'd highlight a positive.

This is in my post history from 2014:

"Team: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Toure, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, Sterling, Lambert"

You have to say, player for player, we're quite a bit better than that now.

17 Sep 2017 17:21:05
3 years. You don't realise how fast players come and go until you look back.

17 Sep 2017 17:44:13
Our current front 3 or 4 is terrifying. Nice to see and long may it continue.

17 Sep 2017 18:53:00
Something Red, we are miles better than that team you just put out there and the results are there to prove it, overalL. Only player I would take back from that team is Lucas. The rest? No thanks. We just have to keep working hard and adding better pieces to the puzzle till we get to where we wanna get to. The constant whining and moaning over the obvious is not my thing and never will be. Why? We can do NOTHING about it right now until the TW opens again.

17 Sep 2017 19:11:09
The squad has definitely improved, Bingo, and that's why I posted this, just to remind people of that. But the leaders and the strong personalities we had under Rafa that left or retired in the past few years weren't replaced by Kenny or Rodgers and haven't, as yet, been replaced by Klopp. And that's a big chunk of the problem. Trying to infer a player's personality from what they do in the pitch is the hardest part of scouting, so in a way it's kind of unreasonable to judge the manager too harshly for it.

My gut tells me Keita will help a lot in that respect, and I do wonder would things be shaping up differently if we got him this window along with van Dijk, but we didn't. And it's just a gut feeling. He might be a quiet little mouse.

17 Sep 2017 19:12:33
And Gerrard surely?

17 Sep 2017 20:34:53
Spot on, Something Red. VVD is captain of Saints and Keita is the driving force at RBL so they may have some leadership qualities within them. We shall see. I also see that Can may have some in him too that just needs to be unleashed as Germans are known for their mental toughness and hatred for losing. Can has proved us right with his work ethic and attitude to pay thru injury for the good of the team. We will see.

Superred, I did not pick SG as he was already on his last legs. Sorry, my friend.

17 Sep 2017 21:31:18
That team would have beaten Burnley.

17 Sep 2017 22:00:28
I checked the posting date against our 2014-15 season results, and apparently that team played against Ludogorets Razgrad. 2-2 draw.

But it would've beaten Burnley, yeah? Whatever you say mate.

17 Sep 2017 13:11:55
Ed a lot of people are saying we'll go in for vvd in January. Wouldn't soton bring the tapping up again or is it because it's a new window.

{Ed001's Note - how can I answer that? It really depends on how it transpires.}

17 Sep 2017 13:43:11
It depends on how much VVD sulk from now till January!

17 Sep 2017 14:01:45
We could buy two top defenders for the price Southampton would want for VVD.
Time to move on from him surely.

17 Sep 2017 14:10:56
Not many Wc defenders about these days. Vvd wants to play for us and we should stick with him. I doubt this will happen in January though, more likely to happen in the summer.

17 Sep 2017 14:47:58
What if he's injured again? The lad has made 1 sub appearance since December last year. Sometimes players never recover from serious injuries. Let's wait and see.

17 Sep 2017 14:56:37
January is new window so Southampton would not be able to accuse Liverpool of tapping up. So long as Liverpool act properly this time. But it's still up to them to sell to us. And one of the reason we couldn't come in for him last minute in the summer is that no one else bid for him. Chelsea and City knew of our interest and know the player wants Liverpool so they'd be handing us a huge advantage by opening the bidding up again. Simples. He'll be a red come January I'm 100% confident.

17 Sep 2017 15:12:17
I wish I shared your confidence jimble. It makes sense though and could be the reason we didn't go for a Gibson etc in the summer.

17 Sep 2017 16:05:27
I know January is a difficult window to buy in but the scouts really need to find some attainable defenders between now and then and come up with as big a list as possible if defenders that will improve what we already have.
It's such a major weakness for us, it's like having a porche with flat tyres.

17 Sep 2017 16:17:19
Thanks jimble that's what I meant to ask.

17 Sep 2017 17:07:51
Any cb we sign needs to be comfortable playing in a back 2. Don't know any of them so why waste our money. Might as well just score moRe goals!

17 Sep 2017 19:13:09
Great thread, boys. I love the posts. Well-thought out and rational. A nice change from all the whining, moaning and recriminations we have seen on here for the past 10 days. I'm sure Klopp is desperate for a CB or two BUT other factors need to be considered (is he attainable, can he help us right away, can he play in our system, can he be the leader we ask him to be etc. ) before pulling the trigger. If Saints are open for business then Jan should see him come in and that depends on his fitness level as he is yet to play a game in near 8 months so he will need time to get in shape. Let's just hope something can be done to help solve our issues.

17 Sep 2017 12:10:03
Part of what we're experiencing imo is the result of the loss of all the leaders from our dressing room over the past few years. You look at who we had in 2011 or 2012, we had Reina, Agger, Carragher and Gerrard. If we had any of them now, they would be the stand out option to captain the team. Even Suarez, as dreadful as some of the things he did were, could not stand losing a football match and that rubbed off on players around them. Now they're all gone, and we haven't really replaced them. Henderson's a good pro, so is Milner, and there probably aren't better options for the armband in the team currently. But they're not strong enough to motivate the likes of Matip to try 100% every game. And between all of our goalkeepers and defenders there's no organiser at the back.

No one's going to have a squad of 23 model professionals who give 100% every minute of every game whether it's the League Cup Third Round or the Champions League final, and whether you're 5-0 up 5-0 down or anything in between. But you don't need 23 model professionals if you have a couple of strong, vocal players who can drag the rest along at key points in matches. I said last season we needed to recruit one or two strong personalities to keep our fair weather players switched on, particularly at the back. Doesn't look like we've done it.

17 Sep 2017 12:16:04
We don't have that character in the team I agree! I am still
Fuming at our backline ball watching for Burnley's free header in the dying minutes!

17 Sep 2017 13:47:01
That free header drew a good save from Mingnolet that unsurprisingly has not been mentioned by the cliche army.

17 Sep 2017 14:31:57
The problem I have with the people who defend Mignolet is that he makes a save, a save any decent keeper would be expected to make, and people call it a good save and go on about how noone mentions it. It isn't mentioned because it is the absolute minimum we expect from a goalkeeper, so make saves. The only reason it is termed 'a good save' is because it is Mignolet makirng it, if that was De Gea nobody would say anything and rightfully so - why should we try and big Mignolet up for making a routine save? Is that how low the bar has been set?

17 Sep 2017 14:46:53
I see what you are saying Seano and agree to some extent but it was a good save. Very good save actually.

17 Sep 2017 17:15:57
No its called giving credit where it's due. your opinion loses credit if it's not balanced.
Mignolet is a very average keeper but that was a very good save. There is nothing wrong with admitting that. It doesn't have to change your opinion of him, or mine. it just shows your open minded and judge on performances rather than trying to justify your own preconceptions.

17 Sep 2017 17:27:34
I dunno what save you people saw. It was, as is usual with every 'very good save' Migs makes, nearly at him. I'd have saved it.

17 Sep 2017 17:41:32
Yeah, generally the idea is to put yourself in the way of the ball. It's called a save for many but let's just ignore that fact because it doesn't support our argument. It was a very good save however you try and twist it.
The negativity on this site really is embarrassing.

17 Sep 2017 19:22:11
Except he doesn't put himself in the way of the ball for that save. He just happens to be there without moving.

When someone comes up with a decent shot against him and he actually has to dive or even shuffle across quickly, he inevitably doesn't make it. Seriously, watch him over the next few weeks. See how many saves he makes where the shot is placed more than a foot either side of him. Spolier alert: It won't be many.

I don't know where this myth that Migs is a good shot stopper comes from. Is it from the penalty he saved on his debut 4 years ago maybe? It's certainly not for anything I've seen him do in the last 12 months.

17 Sep 2017 19:23:01
Sirshanks and Redplanet, it is that type of attitude that has ensured that Migs has succeeded in stealing a living at LFC for the past for seasons. The high bar of low expectations.

He stood at his near post and was well positioned to make the save as Mee had NOWHERE else to place the header. All he had to do was stand there and the ball would hit him. Had Buffon done that, would you have cared? NO! Why? Cos it is a save we expect him or any GK to save. Now cos it's Migs, you are lowering the bar to make it sound like he did something great. HE DID NOT.

A GK should be bailing his team out and saving a ball we all think is a goal. If Migs wanted to earn my praise, he should have saved the Burnley goal which we all thought was a goal before it went in. That is what a GK is paid to do. Save the team's bacon, not save a ball you could have saved by just standing there holding on to the post. He is crap and Karius or Ward will be in for him in due time and by the way, watch the Burnley goal carefully and you will see Migs' mistake in it. Enjoy.

18 Sep 2017 00:17:34
You've just said it bingo. he positioned himself to such an extent that Mee couldn't beat him. excellent goalkeeping. Was that so hard to admit? It really is fun supporting your own players when they do their job.
Just for your info, I'm not the manager so I'm not responsible for Migs earning a living. Im just a supporter, you should try it sometine rather than trying to turn a positive into a negative just so that justifies your own argument.

17 Sep 2017 11:16:13
Do you Know what really bores me is that one transfer window shuts and already people are talking about who we can sign in the next? Get over it there is nothing you can do about it.

17 Sep 2017 11:59:12
Apparently klavan has a twin.

17 Sep 2017 17:46:36
You are KLAVIN a laugh!

17 Sep 2017 19:30:27
Mighty, they will continue to moan about the obvious tho cos what else can you do if you can't change things right now, they tell you? Moan away about the obvious, knowing full well that NOTHING can be done to fix it right now. It's what moaners do.

17 Sep 2017 09:37:01
sorry but Moreno is always one rash tackle away from giving a penalty or being sent off. Always goes flying in and missed leaving the left exposed. Sorry but Robertson for me should get the nod over Moreno every time!

17 Sep 2017 10:29:57
Wasn't at fault for anything that's been wrong this season. So be fair to the lad.

17 Sep 2017 10:48:26
Mr D your right with your comments. He may make the odd mistake during a game but to be fair to the lad he's done well so far compared to others.

17 Sep 2017 11:00:04
And he's also worked hard on his game.

17 Sep 2017 11:32:28
So if he doesn't make an obvious mistake leading to a goal he's good enough? No matter how many panicked, rash challenges he makes (his yellow card against Sevilla was one of the most needlessly stupid tackles I've seen a player make, and he was lucky not be sent off later in the game), how bad his positioning is, and how many times he pushes on too early in move trying to be a left sided forward and we have to work the ball back inside instead of being able to exploit space down his flank, if he's not directly responsible for the concession of a goal he's doing okay?

Do you what that is? The same logic that made Mignolet 'good enough' second half of last season when it should've been plainly obvious he wasn't, and the majority have once again copped as much at the start of this season.

Look I appreciate our entire defence is liable to make mistakes and Moreno hasn't been the worst of them. And unlike some of the others, he has a good attitude and he doesn't ever give up. But the simple fact is 7 assists in 77 starts (& 20 plus sub appearances) is not enough of a trade off for his defensive frailties. And whilst Matip, Lovren and Klavan have been worse, in any game at least one of them will have to start, so we're stuck with them until January. But we're not stuck with Moreno because we bought a new left back who's already demonstrated more composure with his use of the ball and would be hard pressed to be as rash in the tackle and as poor positionally as Moreno. So we should use him instead of Moreno.

17 Sep 2017 11:52:18
100% agree Something Red 👏.

17 Sep 2017 13:06:18
So tell me who is better an available?

17 Sep 2017 13:33:42
Better than Moreno?

Robertson 🤝.

17 Sep 2017 13:35:30
@ Readinghurts

Look at the last paragraph again: "But we're not stuck with Moreno because we bought a new left back who's already demonstrated more composure with his use of the ball and would be hard pressed to be as rash in the tackle and as poor positionally as Moreno. "

You do know that's Andrew Robertson I'm talking about, yeah? That's who's better and available.

17 Sep 2017 13:51:53
I think the point that Dennis is making and I agree with that is that we have conceded a lot of goals this season and they haven't been because of Moreno so changing Moreno will not fix the defensive issues.

In fact if we are being truthful he has been one of the better of our defenders. admittedly that is comparing him against some very poor centre backs and two kids playing right back.

17 Sep 2017 13:50:19
Klopp rates / trusts Moreno! So there is nothing you could do Ron / Something.

17 Sep 2017 13:53:14
Absolute rubbish. Moreno was our best player against seville. He has been a revelation this season. Technically he is so good now. A bit dodgy defencively but if he keeps making goals I'm happy.

17 Sep 2017 14:08:02
Moreno not at fault for giving Jesus (and Silva) the freedom of the 6 yard area for City's second goal?
He was stood next to Jesus when the cross came in and stood admiring his technique instead of challenging.
That's someone who has no clue about defending.

His primary responsibility is not goal creating, its defending. If Mane, Salah, Firmino and 3 midfielders can't create goals then Moreno is useful, but we don't have a problem creating chances, we have a problem preventing them.

17 Sep 2017 14:11:40
Navy, the point I'm making is a defender isn't necessarily good enough just because you can't pin the concession of a goal directly on him. There's a bit more nuance to evaluating a player than that.

I said that he hasn't been as dodgy as the others, but unlike the others, we have an alternative to Moreno that we should be using. Moreno's competition for his place isn't with Lovren, Matip or Klavan, so it doesn't matter if they're worse than him. His competition is Robertson. And in two matches, I've seen enough to think Robertson is the better player.

And Superred, I can't help you if you don't see what a player does outside of what makes the highlights reel. I've already told you what his assist record is for Liverpool is, namely 1 every 11 starts, and it's not enough to offset how poor he is defensively.

Would he still have been our "best player" against Sevilla if he'd gotten a second yellow? Cos the ref bottled sending him off (and Machado about 10 minutes later too. And then inexplicably sent off Gomez for his only two tackles in the game), but he still made a daft yellow card challenge whilst already on a yellow. The fact that he got away with it doesn't it was smart. That's the sort of poorly thought out decision making that's defined Moreno's entire Liverpool career and will continue to do.

17 Sep 2017 14:24:27
The reason we are such a good attacking team is because our fbs get forward, our cms get forward thus flooding the opposition box with red shirts. Moreno and taa fit our style very well. Defence minded full backs would not work so well in our system.

Last season moreno was just as lax at defending as he is now but his final ball wasn't good enough. This season his final ball has been brilliant. Whenever he gets the ball in opposition half we look like scoring. Another thing with moreno, and I know he is small, but he is tough little smegger. That seville defender who kept fouling mane, moreno had a quick word with mane and two minutes later the seville player is on his arse. I like that in a player.

17 Sep 2017 14:39:17
Moreno has been decent this season - I can't understand fans constantly hounding and criticising him. Yes his game has flaws but he has improved significantly and looked far, far better this season. Is he rash? He has his moments and needs to work on them. Is he the best defensively? No, but he is decent and, with better centr backs helping him out he'd be able to play his game better. For me Robertson looks much more assured defensively but Moreno looks the better/ more incisive player in attack. They have both done decently so far this season - lynching Moreno when he has shown improvement is bizarre to me.

17 Sep 2017 15:03:33
Spot on Seano. Good post mate.

17 Sep 2017 15:14:32
In fairness to the lad Moreno has improved.

17 Sep 2017 16:22:54
Until Robertson gets a few games we won't know how good he is at left back. Moreno has improved but he's had years at the club, we've just bought a Robertson and he's had a couple of games and being compared to guys here for years. Let's give Robertson the position and it's up to him then to either own it or lose it.

17 Sep 2017 19:34:31
Moreno is a head case and a red card and mistake waiting to happen even tho, he is yet to make the mistake. Also, the red card was very close to happening vs Sevilla and when he goes flying into tackles, my heart skips a beat.

17 Sep 2017 08:56:37
35 shots, 9 on target. Still cannot get my head around how we did not win?

12 blocked shots does suggest that on another day, this could have easily been a mauling for Burnley.

We were all over them like a rash but they kept it simple and soaked up the pressure.

Next up Leicester away and it probably will not get better for our defence in this match.

It will come down to how many more we can score than them. Their defence is also poor so expect goals from both sides.

One thing that has been positive for me is that Coutinho was not missed when he was not playing. Mane now out too and our attack adapts without him.

Klopp has got our attacking play worked out perfectly. Our attack just needs to show focus and not play for themselves. Pretty sure we will see many more goals scored compared to last season. Now for Klopp to start getting a solution at the opposite end. Fingers crossed he does.

Rather problems to start creeping out early than later in the season.

17 Sep 2017 09:22:55
Hi mate, not so sure those stats stack up. Not trying to shoot you down. I was there yesterday and we attacked the kop end first half ( where I sit ) . A lot of those blocked shots were pretty tame and from outside the box and in the as you say they simply soaked up all the pressure in the first half and pressed us further up the field in the second.

Their keeper didn't have a proper save to make until Salah scored on the half hour mark.

For me Firminho doesn't work on the left and I thicket studge was flat.

In the first half we didn't use the left side as much as we should, Robertson was in acres of space time and time again but Couthino in particular was guilty of playing through the middle and not stretching their back 4 buy passing to AR, it was too easy for them at times. This was pretty apparent, as early in the second half, AR received a pass and and the crowd cheered.

Burnley got their game plan spot on in my opinion and you can't take anything away from them, they could have even nicked it at the end with two calamitous efforts at defending consecutive corners.

Just my thoughts mate.

17 Sep 2017 09:35:22
I am so disappointed with Coutinho.

In midweek he came on and lethargically strolled about, giving away possession carelessly.

Then yesterday he has started and just made no real effort to impact the game. He just kept taking the easy way out of shooting from poor positions and bad angles. He has the ability to go past a couple of players, or shift the ball into a better scoring position, or even work it into the box with his link up play particularly with Firmino. He just looked like he wasn't fussed though. He didn't really want the ball. He was saving face and making it look like he was trying, but for us fans who know how good he actually is, it was so obvious he was playing at less than half his capacity.

I don't want him to play for us again to be honest if he is going to have this kind of attitude. This is where you need a Gerrard or a Carragher to absolutely chew him out in front of the whole team. Tell him what a disgraceful little so and so he is behaving like. Embarass him. Put a bit of fire in his belly to prove them wrong and if he throws a bigger strop, so what? He is playing like a Championship player anyway. I've captained teams at a rubbish level, but if someone wasn't pulling their weight, i'd go absolutely mental at half time because i cared about winning every game. I actually made one bloke get in his car and go home and another guy tried to hit me! I wasn't there to be everyones best mate though. The captain and other players have as much responsibility as the manager though. Players tend to respond better to each other than the manager because they are the people they have to be mates with. Nobody wants to go on away days and share a room with someone who hates them.

I'd rather see Grujic, Woodburn, Chamberlain or Lallana in there anyway. At least they will all run through barbed wire to help the team out, and not just lackadaisically blaze 7 shots over the bar from 30 yards. I'm really not in the mood to watch someone stroll about until January where he will no doubt go on strike again to get a dream move to his other boyhood clubs Real Madrid or PSG 🙄 we are Liverpool and there are a lot of players who would love to be here. If Coutinho doesn't then make him rot. The money means nothing to clubs now. So make an example of him and throw him out the door next summer as a fat, out of form rat bag so his world cup is ruined. I couldn't care less. He either buckles down like Suarez did and we will all get behind him for the remainder of his LFC career, or we throw him to the wolves. Klopp should not be accepting his current performance level though. It's embarrassing.

17 Sep 2017 09:35:26
Ignore the spelling and grammar howlers Max mate, ! Trying to play trains with my 3 old son and type at the same time just isn't happening 😂.

17 Sep 2017 09:45:27
I agree, just saying that 35 shots and only Salah with a goal. If our attack was more focused, not playing as individuals rather than a unit then Burnley would have suffered a heavy defeat.

Coutinho just wanted to shoot for the sake of it when he could have just picked out a pass to another player waiting for the ball. Not his fault that we did not score more than one, just that he was utterly wasteful.

He showed some amazing ball skills but the guy is rusty and do not think he should be starting matches yet. I cannot see Sturridge getting back to his best and also does not seem to quite fit how our attack has evolved. Solanke for me would be a much better option than DS at this point.

Irrespective though, we had more than enough chances to put the game to bed in the first half. Rotating the squad like Klopp has been doing needs to stop ASAP. If you are going to be rotating GK's game in and out and have a different defence lining up in every match then it is a recipe for disaster.

Klopp now needs to pick his best 11 and stick with it. We have a big enough squad to cope with the fixture list so rotation is not required.

17 Sep 2017 10:15:37
But maxlfc aside from Salah's goal, all the other attempts were flaccid half chances. We really didn't work their keeper and far too often it was shooting from distance. It all starts with poor defending putting us on the back foot. That killed the game.

17 Sep 2017 10:53:17
stats are misleading on top of that they were not good shot just lame effort towards thier goalie.

17 Sep 2017 11:04:48
Leicester has pace. Vardy and Mahrez! They will eat out high backline. Mark this post!

17 Sep 2017 11:44:51
I thought Coutinho's effort in the first half was great. He was guilty of trying to do too much or taking one touch to many. That's match sharpness, he didn't play instinctively and that split second can make a difference against a stubborn defence.
On Robertson, I feel so much more comfortable with him on the left. He's no world beater, but he's not constantly out of position. He can improve, but he's not totally oblivious to the tactical side of the game like Moreno.
I think both fullbacks struggled with their final ball, not too worried about that, but I'd have taken TAA off, put Milner right back and put Wijnaldum on in the second half.
Agree with Drogie about a lot of our "shots on target", some were like backpasses. I think some of that comes from the lack of match sharpness from Coutinho and Sturridge as their timings were off.
Burnley carried no threat all game except for the goal and the 2 corners. Both situations highlighted our lack of ability to deal with a high ball. Migs was being blocked on both corners. How does a keeper get blocked? Keepers should take ball and man out, keepers need to be stronger and more dominant. Matip and Klavan forgot the BASIC of defending - never let the ball bounce in and around your penalty box. Matip has been guilty of this too many times IMO.
Mig's goal kicking. WTF? Someone needs to tell him, whatever you do, don't faff about and let your opponents get ready. Put the ball down, don't flap your arms and look around like you really know where you want to kick it, just put your foot through the ball as hard and cleanly as you can.
Corners, we had one decent one and one short one, the rest were pointless. I think we should do the short one more often as that carried the most threat of all.
Subs? Klopp left it too late for them to have any impact.

All in all a game we should have won (sound familiar) . We lacked sharpness up front, not clinical enough and we made basic stupid errors at the back when the ball is above head height.

17 Sep 2017 14:04:10
We hit the cross bar from five yards out in the last five minutes. Should have won the game. I was surprised how well young pope played. DS so close to beating him too. Had a pen turned down. Shouldve won.

Im a little worried about Leicester game. They have players who can split our defence and vardy (who I hate with a passion) who can really cause em problems. I think it might be a case of who scores most.

17 Sep 2017 14:44:53
I always enjoy mk posts. And usually agree with them. But I disagree with the post on coutinio. No one can doubt firmino desire to win and he was always looking for pipco. I don't think Bobby would do this if he thought Phil didn't want to win. It's his first pl game for months and he was a little off the pace but I still think he will be massive for us this year. I don't think it is a definite that he will leave next summer also. Yes it is likely but until a deal is agreed he is a liverpool player and we have a responsibility to look after him physically. This will be his best year for us imo.

17 Sep 2017 19:53:59
Spot on, Superred. MK, there is a bit of conspiracy theory thingy in your post so I think you are working too hard. You seem to always think that some player or Klopp does not care about winning just cos things did not work out. That is harsh and frankly, baseless.

Firmino and Cou don't care so much about winning YET last season, they were both sick and shattered physically and still showed up for the Stoke game and turned it around for us and we got the 3 points. Remember that? That should tell you that what you are saying is false and severe overreaching. Cou had a bad game and needs to sort his head out, end of BUT enough with the conspiracy theories as it is making you sound desperate.

17 Sep 2017 08:10:15
Hi eds1. Thanks for the review I have watched the game yet so it was interesting to get your review before hand.
Quick question
Do you think we've got the spending power to win the league and be up there with a chance to win it again and cups. I don't know weather we were one of the richest clubs back when we dominated the league.
We've got to give klopp time in my opinion he's one of the best around and I don't see anyone better coming in in next few years.
We missed our main targets in the summer (ok VVD was a cock up) and game time but money has to come into it.
City are blowing teams away at the min. Man U look very very good. Chelsea again very good. All spent massive amounts of money. I know we've spent a few quid but nothing like them.
Has it got to the point where you've got go be the highest spending team to stand a chance of the league
As all ways thanks.

{Ed001's Note - not without developing youngsters.}

17 Sep 2017 08:42:28
Chelsea spend big, but they also have a very good 'farming' technique which subsidises their massive spending. Think of all the players that they bring in young, or train through the academy and then sell at massive profit after years of loans.
Would you feel comfortable knowing we were abusing players careers like that?

{Ed001's Note - I never said to do that, I was referring to bringing more players like TAA through, not farming.}

17 Sep 2017 10:31:19
LONGTHING76,
KLOPP will be given time, but if he keeps making the same mistakes and expecting different results he is in for a rude awakening, remember he was making these same mistakes last year. if he is still making these same mistakes next year his cover will be blown.

17 Sep 2017 10:57:25
if he keeps making these same mistakes till next year then we are certainly doomed. Remember no one is bigger than Lfc if changes are required then changes should happen.

17 Sep 2017 10:47:20
Thanks for the reply
So we need to get it right with the kids more than any other top team to have a chance of winning the league year after year.

{Ed001's Note - that is why Spurs are able to stay competitive, as they develop players rather than buy them. We always used to do that in the past as well. It was very rare a player was bought and went straight into the side, they used to have to undergo a learning process in the reserves first.}

17 Sep 2017 11:40:02
Really! People calling for klopps head we are only a few games into the season .

17 Sep 2017 13:15:03
Bringing more players like TAA through is fine if we had more players like TAA. We don't. He's a one in generation. Devloping young players? That means losing for a couple of seasons and finishing 6th or 7th with the hope that they are going to mature into players who can move into top four or top position. In this day and age, with the attention span of supporters and worse their loading on to a game their dreams and aspirations, you'd be a brave team to take that approach. Although, Southampton do it well but with the proviso that they eventually sell their young developed talent.
We don't have the money to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City. To get players, we have to buy them before they peak, which implies greater risk. The big teams are buying the absolute best when young and the best when developed.
To win the league again, we need rubbish seasons all round from the others, a perfect season for ourselves and injuries to be at the absolute minimum.
Back in the real world, we've started slow which Liverpool have done since the 1970's which is either down to the way we play, ping passing and moving which needs time to find the rhythm, rubbish weather up north, or take your pick.
We'll see over the next month or two as he gets flak from our supporters just how good a coach, manager, human being Klopp is. I for one think he's the one for the club eventhough he's made a balls of building a defence but them be the breaks. Who knew Matip was a smooth operating narcoleptic? Who knew Migs and Karius would be long term non improvers? Or that Southampton would refuse the thought of 80 million?
It's never dull.

{Ed001's Note - TAA is not one in a generation at all, and developing young players does not mean finishing 6th or 7th. I am not even going to read the rest as that was such utter tosh.}

17 Sep 2017 16:12:09
Cheers Ed. Read the stats instead of my tosh. And as for Liverpool buying players who went into the reserves. Hansen, Dalgish, Neal, Thompson, Lawrenson, Kennedy. I could go on but you're out toshing me.

{Ed001's Note - keep going then. I could point out that they are only a few names compared to the numbers bought, but it would be a waste of time.}

17 Sep 2017 19:57:00
Nothing will happen at the end of this season as Klopp is not getting sacked, end of. If you want him sacked, buy the cklub and sack him yourself and then hire Woy back cos he's the only manager that will be available. Enjoy.

18 Sep 2017 16:40:33
BINGORED,
No one is saying they want him sacked, my point was if we keep making the same mistakes and end up finishing 5,6 or 7th then QUESTIONS will be asked, with the money coming in now off the BPL we can't afford to be having SNAKES and LADDERS seasons.

17 Sep 2017 07:03:57
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Burnley Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective

17 Sep 2017 09:29:32
Agree with all! This rotating crap by klopp drives me nuts Rafa did it and boiled my blood! U won't see Jose or conte or poch doing it! Love Milner but get out of the way ox should of started!

17 Sep 2017 10:50:04
I can tolerate one more rotation and that's dropping migs (for good) for Karius.

17 Sep 2017 01:16:05
Im a Kloop fan, but I am starting to get worried about the state of our defense. Ben Mee had two great chances in the last few minutes of the game today. Klavan never even jumped or challenged him. And he gave away the first corner because he jumped and challenged Can his own teammate. And then we had Lovren falling over and miss kicking the ball in his own 6 yard box on Wednesday. How and why did kloop grant Lovren a new contract in the summer? Why is Klavan even at the club? VVD would have been a great signing but as soon as we apologised to Southampton and stopped our interest in him, why did kloop not sign another decent centre half. Shane Duffy? Michael Keane? Barzagli? Chellini? Bonucci? Howedes (For free)? We need a no nonsense centre half. When he is defending a corner he will win the header, when he has a 50/ 50 challenge he takes the ball and man. A proper old school defender. Like Hyypia/ Carragher/ Skrtel/ Lawrenson.

17 Sep 2017 05:29:55
Will the likes of mane want to hang about to play in the same side as klavan.

17 Sep 2017 08:11:42
Leo, none of the players (bar Bonnuci who was never coming to England as he rejected Chelsea twice) you mentioned would improve what we already have. If you just want us to sign a warm body at CB who will not improve us by a decent margin then, you are missing the point. I don't want someone who will come in and start making mistakes again and not be an upgrade. None of those are upgrades. Also, This is why Klopp thought he'd keep his powder dry and won't buy for the sake of it. Whether you agree or disagree, that is his stance.

Klopp gave Lovs a new contract cos he thought he would get VVD and place Lovren as 3rd choice, I think which is not a bad strategy, in the end. Klopp is trying to fix our issues BUT that is not what caused the draw yesterday. Look no further than our forward line, who were busy making poor decisions all over the pitch, Cou having SEVEN shots OFF target. There is where the issues currently lie cos we can't score goals right now, which is our strongest suit. That is where my concern is.

17 Sep 2017 09:00:26
BingoRed, we gave Lovren a 100k a week contract to be a backup defender? That's just plain stupid. Probably the decision was made after Klopp illegally tapped up VVD around the same time and the club figured out the VVD deal would probably get screwed over.

Leo LFC, the options you suggested were either unattainable or just not good enough. But there were others that we could have got and are less error prone than Lovren and Klavan. Manolas, De VRij, Laporte all within our price range and good on the ball with fight in them.
What worries me most is Klopp's tendency to target players with a soft underbelly. Matip, Klavan, VVD as well. They are not particularly the hardened CBs that orchestrate the team's defense. We need a nasty streak in our defense, not the goody shoes that fall over when pressure is mounted on them.

17 Sep 2017 09:05:23
Duffy was getting rinsed on Friday night, injured himself trying to be smart against Defoe. Miskicked a few easy clearances. All defenders make the same mistakes, we just don't have a leader.

{Ed001's Note - and Keane has been woeful for Everton.}

17 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Leo did you really just put Skrtel in the same bracket as Hyypia, Carra and Lawrenson? Deary me.

17 Sep 2017 10:20:26
There aren't any decent English centre backs around. I'd avoid them like the plague. They're expensive and poor quality. I genuinely cannot think of one I'd want to spend good money on.

17 Sep 2017 17:43:55
Hang on is this the same Bingo that slaughtered me for saying we aren't converting chances and should have bought a striker?