Liverpool Banter Archive October 17 2016

17 Oct 2016 23:41:14
Ron k my last post was despairing at all the negativity on here we are fourth after a veryvtoughvstart. We can't blow teams away every game it was a good point considering the crest of the weekendcresults.

18 Oct 2016 02:36:11
Well, it didn't take that long for the negative nellies to start throwing the baby out with the bath water. Someone must have forgotten to remind them that had we won, NOTHING would have been decided yet and we still would have won nothing yet. We are fourth, three points and three goals ahead of Utd and three off City after playing a tough schedule. We are still in the race and nothing has changed as the other teams including Utd for that matter, screwed up. On to West Brom this weekend, a team we have had consistent issues with and just as tough an opponent as Utd.

18 Oct 2016 04:27:49
I think the term 'negativity' is over-used on here. There are plenty of things to be critical about in that performance but ultimately a draw was probably fair. Its not negative to point out areas we could have improved on to get a win.
I thought both defences were pretty sound which is why there wasnt much goalmouth action. Utds nine-man defence restricted us well and De Geas fingertips were the only real reason we didn't turn 65% possession into a win.
At the other end, i still haven't seen anything to suggest Karius is an improvement on Migs (calm down, that's not a bash) but the fact that he has rarely been able to show his keeping ability in recent games suggests to me that our defence have improved hugely in restricting other teams' chances.
Average game, fair result, room for improvement.

18 Oct 2016 06:52:32
Not sure how could you say everyone who has a point Negative? UTD came for a point and successfully went back with a point. How on earth could a Liverpool supporter be happy about it? The first half was a dire and we did not test DDG at all, Did we?

{Ed001's Note - we kept a clean sheet for the first time this season, surely that is something to be happy about? It is the first time in 4 matches we have not lost to Man Utd, another something to be happy about. We have not lost ground to the leaders, again a reason to be happy. Overall, despite the woeful performance, I think we have good reason to be happy as Liverpool fans right now. The very fact that it is a disappointment not to beat a team with the world's most expensive player in it should be a reason to be happy.}

18 Oct 2016 07:11:04
I walked away feeling like we'd lost last night, United really were there for the taking, if only we could have been a bit more insisive. We didn't look sharp, maybe the international break disrupted the fluidity a bit.

Having said that, reading your comments Ed1 have given me a much more positive outlook this morning, 100% spot on! Considering the tough start, if you'd have said we'd be sitting two points off the top having played Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and United i'd have taken thstvall day long.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, we are in a good position and have every reason to be happy as fans, despite the performance. Sometimes you need these kind of games to keep everyone on their game. It stops overconfidence creeping in and keeps everyones' feet on the ground.}

18 Oct 2016 07:22:02
Look at the post match comments from the managers:

Jose can't stop talking about LFC and celebrating a point, praising his team who had 35% possession and relied on 2 great saves to keep them in it.
Klopp only talking about how disappointed he was with our performance and how we can do better.

Their reactions say it all. We have come a long way in 12 months. Onwards and upwards! 😎.

18 Oct 2016 10:39:29
Spot on ed1.

18 Oct 2016 14:18:00
What do you think of this idea that United 'won' a point? I don't buy it. 'Good' draws can only be justified by your league position, and they are 7th, 3 points off fourth with a very tough upcoming schedule in comparison to their rivals. If they draw at Chelsea next week too and everyone else wins, is that also a 'good' draw, just because it was at Stamford Bridge, despite the fact they're even further behind the top 4 with Arsenal, Everton and Spurs still to come?

18 Oct 2016 18:20:10
Spot on Ed and Nick Bruce. I don`t know what some fans were expecting but they must be living in some alternate reality. Overall, we have good reasons to be happy with where we are. Would these negative fans like to trade places with the Utd fans, whose team is 7th, 1 win in 5 and staring down the barrell at a very tough schedule? Didn`t think so just stuff your negative comments and get out of the way because the wheels on the bus or progress are moving progressively.

17 Oct 2016 23:00:08
I think there are a number of reasons to put that game in perspective. We didn't lose! I've seen us lose many games against them that we didn't deserve to. and tbh I never felt they were ever going to win that match.
Secondly, we have just had the most expensively assembled squad in premier league history come to Anfield and park the bus. 35% possession, 1 corner and 1 shot on target. moyes n lvg would av been slated for that!
Our reaction to the result is a marked difference to utd. We accept we played poorly whilst they are happy to have raised their game sufficiently to stifle us. can they keep it up to stop the opposition for the rest of the season?
That type of attitude can only serve us well!
Finally, United style of play is similar to our next opponent West Bromwich. . so hopefully it proves to be good preparation.

17 Oct 2016 23:09:02
If Pulis was to employ the tactics of 6 at the back like United did at times he would be vilified as ruining football. Mourinho does it and it's good game management. United never looked like scoring, their only shot on target was one of Ibras pot shots from miles away. Can't blame them for playing for the draw, but it's United for gods sake! They should, along with every top team, attempt to win every game, they didn't even bother. The game as a whole was an embarrassment for the premier league in my opinion.

18 Oct 2016 02:44:01
Spot on, Shanks. Mou is getting credit for stifling us. I'm sure a statue would have been built for him had he won. He spends millions on players and wages only put park the bus. Even Bournmouth don't play that way and I can name many more team who spend a small fraction than Utd, that play much better football. We are still fourth and within striking distance of the top and even if we had won, NOTHING would have been decided bar maybe bragging rights which the last time I checked, is not a trophy and doesn't get you into the CL.

17 Oct 2016 22:50:24
17 points, 4th in the table, 2 points off top. No reason to be sad. If someone told that's the situation before the season started I would be thrilled! Onwards and upwards, we are liverpool!

17 Oct 2016 23:18:17
Not to mention the fact that we got most of the big games out the way for the first half of the season and to be up there is great in perspective, we now have a run of dare I say easier games which will hopefully help tally the points up.

17 Oct 2016 23:18:32
Absolutely mate.

18 Oct 2016 02:49:18
Agreed, lads. Moreover, we are still three points ahead of Utd, who face Chelsea next game and if they slip up and we beat West Brom, then they will be in another crisis. I'm still okay with a point at this stage, thank you.

17 Oct 2016 22:37:34
Not even an hour on and these negative fans come out once again, it's actually quite embarrassing. Did we lose? no. We got a point, yes not the best performance but it was always going to be difficult, leave it out, let's focus on battering West Brom. This game is done and gone, we got a point, I'm happy with that.

17 Oct 2016 22:46:43
It was a good point for you. Shows how important lallana is when he came on in the second half. Looked much more threatening.

17 Oct 2016 22:48:49
If it wasn't for the shirts and the smug Portuguese git on the touchline I would have thought we played West Brom tonight.

I feel for those going again on Sunday and seeing round two of that.

18 Oct 2016 02:53:17
West Brom actually play a lot better than the crap the most expensive team in PL history served up tonight.

18 Oct 2016 08:05:15
Yes definately Hamilton.

17 Oct 2016 21:13:06
Sturridge not getting the service he needs, but not adding much either way so I think is time for home to make easy for Lallana who will at least run players down.

17 Oct 2016 22:00:19
To be honest I'm happy with that point, I thought we'd win, but we didn't lose, poor game overall, but a clean sheet and a point against utd? that's fine by me. We didn't lose and that's the main thing. Eds I wish you luck, be prepared for the negative posts. I think considering how we played the first half, we didn't do too bad to get a point. Onwards and upwards, now we focus on West Brom!

17 Oct 2016 22:11:24
Sturridge was very poor. We look a better team without him and I think he's running out of chances with us.

17 Oct 2016 22:13:07
Sturridge's runs are too predictable. with this game coming right after the international break I'll take the point.

17 Oct 2016 22:14:29
Missed Gini as well, perhaps now you can see what he adds.

17 Oct 2016 22:22:23
Typical Mourinho tactics. stifle and spoil.
Not a good game, but we need to just put that one to bed, and focus on 3pts against West Brom on Saturday.
Onwards and upwards.
YNWA.

17 Oct 2016 22:41:08
Bod what would he have added? Give me a break. The only difference was Lallana who played decently when he came on and made a difference but as a whole we played better and they got tired.

17 Oct 2016 22:47:09
This weekend,

Arsenal scraped past Swansea but did get 3 points

City drew at home to Everton, spurs drew away at West Brom and we drew against a typical mourinho team who has been doing this for years, shows the development of the team how we're now expected to win these but the good point is the fact we didn't play great but still drew, nobody goes out and rips a mourinho team to shreds he's too defensively sound for that, can't play well for 38 games of the season but I will take a point against Utd and mourinho when we don't - another night, another keeper and both can and coutinho are on the score sheet,

One thing on Sturrridge is that he stays too central hence he doesn't get into the team, were devastating because mane, firmino and lallana just rotate where they can't be man marked, Sturbridge isn't offering that so that needs improvement because if he can then his finishing speaks for itself.

17 Oct 2016 23:02:43
We was a we bit disjointed the injuries along with joses tactics to spoil ( take that as to how far we have progressed that we're gutted an they are happy) I have no problem losing if the other team are better on the day. I would of hated to lose that game tonight ( because they wasn't better) we didn't win but more important we didn't lose we are growing up. soon teams spoiling won't be enough for for them to get a result👌 . YNWA.

18 Oct 2016 02:59:28
Spot on, Scouse John. We are still on schedule and our start to the season is quite impressive based on our schedule. We go again.

17 Oct 2016 20:30:33
A shaky start from the boys and I must say united are playing their best foot ball of the season. Let's get these Mancs.

17 Oct 2016 19:17:15
Loving the look of the line up tonight. Attack minded, speedy, clinical and cultured. All bases covered there. Come on Red Men, let's 'Ave it! YNWA.

17 Oct 2016 18:29:13
Game could go either way. Whatever happens I'm looking for a great performance. No passengers tonight. Tonight's the night for every single player to perform to the level required. Concentration key.

17 Oct 2016 17:59:18
Man U players warming up in the Titanic Hotel car park. I hope they sink tonight.

17 Oct 2016 13:53:22
Hi eds,
Quick question, I'm currently a final year accounting student and was just wondering about the process of getting into the business side of the game? Will the club simply advertise or is there certain pathways you can take?

{Ed002's Note - Clubs would advertise.}

17 Oct 2016 12:47:07
Mourinho is well under way with the mind games already.
He is worried that the ref may try a bit too hard to avoid showing any pro-utd sympathies, so he makes a statement about how much pressure the ref will be under etc- thus adding to pressure the ref is under.

Then he takes the mick out of klopps touchline arm-waving, and saying he (jose) is there to coach, not to wave his arms around.
I feel sure his mickey-taking won't bother klopp in the least, and it won't make klopp alter his style- in fact I hope he will do some arm waving at jose for a laugh.

This is one manager that jose will not be able to unsettle, anger or otherwise manipulate by mind games.

Hopefully the ref ignores jose's comments as well. There is admittedly a risk of the ref favouring lfc in his attempts to show that he has no pro-utd bias, but managers are now forbidden to make comments about the ref ahead of the game, so there will likely be a modest punishment given to jose- after the game of course.

Part of me has a sneaking admiration for his sheer desperation and his will to win whatever the cost, but the greater part of me despises him a bit for the fact that he will literally go to almost any lengths in order to win a game- including any amount of cheating that he or his players can get away with.
I'm expecting some of the nasty old chelsea gamesmanship tonight- surrounding the ref to protest every major decision, time wasting with fake injuries, everything.

17 Oct 2016 13:53:17
I remember when he tried to do the same mind games nonsense with Klopp before Real Madrid played BVB in the CL and Klopp said intelligently about mind games, "I am not intelligent enough to know what all that means". Priceless! Klopp did his mind-gaming on the pitch and owned Mou in that game, just like he has owned Mou his whole career. Mind games don`t play football. Players do.

17 Oct 2016 13:53:17
I remember when he tried to do the same mind games nonsense with Klopp before Real Madrid played BVB in the CL and Klopp said intelligently about mind games, "I am not intelligent enough to know what all that means". Priceless! Klopp did his mind-gaming on the pitch and owned Mou in that game, just like he has owned Mou his whole career. Mind games don`t play football. Players do.

17 Oct 2016 12:30:09
What is the code for the fantasy league for the site?

17 Oct 2016 13:21:01
Think it's 160919-52411. If that's the correct one, anyway.

17 Oct 2016 11:00:12
So it's looking like Karius will be on tonight, not official but saw something on Facebook about it (I know) hopefully its true, this lad deserves his time, if mignolet plays I don't think I'll live to see the 90 mins.

17 Oct 2016 13:56:22
Spot on, mate. Karius should be given time just as De Gea and Mingo was given time to prove themselves. One took his chance and the other, squandered it after being unchallenged for three years and given every opportunity to make the no.1 spot his own. Karius, over to you and make us proud, son.

17 Oct 2016 13:56:22
Spot on, mate. Karius should be given time just as De Gea and Mingo was given time to prove themselves. One took his chance and the other, squandered it after being unchallenged for three years and given every opportunity to make the no.1 spot his own. Karius, over to you and make us proud, son.

17 Oct 2016 09:40:32
Big match jitters settling in already! first lfc v United match I'm going to since the Carra horror tackle on nani. some of the abuse I heard that day was way over the top, from both sets of fans I may add. just hope the idiots stay at home tonight and the only drama we have is on tbe pitch rather than anythin in the stands or outside the ground before or after.
As I said I ain't been to a lfc v United match for 10 years so was wondering if anyone who a season ticket holder or attends games v United regular are they still as spiteful in the stands as 10 year ago? I will be attending on my own as I really didn't want to take my 7 year old to a match that may either a. ) have vile chanting going on during the match. b. ) dare I say kick off outside of the ground after.

17 Oct 2016 10:23:20
I think it's been getting worse over the last couple of years, there was a lot of vile chants in the Europa League games, from both sets of fans.

17 Oct 2016 10:26:23
Enjoy yourself mate you lucky bugger lol - I can't blame you for not taking your 7 year old, at these types of games things can get out of hand too quickly, no place for a child. Have fun mate, i'm sure you will, watching us put a few past them!

17 Oct 2016 12:34:40
really excited for it guys, hopefully the atmosphere will play a major part in a lfc victory. sitting in the new main stand again so should hav a good view of the whole game. jus counting down the hours, minutes and seconds till kick off now! lol.

17 Oct 2016 12:46:46
Both sets of fans need to grow up.

17 Oct 2016 09:07:36
On the Mingolet vs Karius argument:

Karius is a risk to play as a goalkeeper right now. A big risk. He has been decent in distributing but has looked nervous several times when trying to claim the ball for 3 games.

Mingolet is a certainty to make a major error if he plays. For 3 years he has been poor at distributing, poor at making saves, poor at organising his area, poor at claiming the ball from the air. poor at everything bar a couple of good saves here and there.

Therefore, what we are discussing is risk of error vs certainty of error. No contest, you play the risk because the risk has a chance of working.

The people who want to immediately jump back to Mings are the people that spend their whole lives moaning about a job they hate - they are more interested in riding out the worst than looking for the best.

17 Oct 2016 09:33:47
Certainty of error? Youve just made that up to suit your argument.

17 Oct 2016 10:29:19
Its more a case of do we get behind a new GK (one we've all been crying out for) who is clearly nervous, has a lot of improvements to make to his game and see if he develops into the GK Klopp thinks he'll be or do we go back to the GK (one we have all been calling to be replaced) we have no confidence in, who has made mistakes that have cost us points, who will not (probably) develop or improve any more than his current level?

I know which one I want! Come on Karius!

17 Oct 2016 10:57:19
Agreed scarface.

17 Oct 2016 14:17:55
Spot on, Scarface. Hijkle, I agree with you on the last part of your comment specifically. The same people that have been slating Mingo and wanted him gone suddenly want him back in because Karius, who mind you has cost us NO points and NO goals so far, looks nervous in just ONE game. I seem t o remember Mingo`s debut where he was a bag of nerves and flapped at two crosses vs Stoke in 2013 but all was forgotten after he saved a penalty. They also seem to have forgotten all his errors, mistakes goals and points he`s cost us in the THREE years he`s been here. Well many of us don`t have short memories and neither does Klopp. Fact of the matter is as you said, Mingo has had his chance and blew it. Time for us to try someone new and I`m ready to stick with him until he proves he`s up for it or not, just like Migo proved his incompetence over three years of being unchallenged.

17 Oct 2016 08:40:26
Big day today redmen,

Top of the league by the end of the night, only need to win by 3 😜
And I see we are favourites, have I missed something or was it mourinho who spent over £200mil on players this summer? If the team who finished 8th last year are favourites I'd say he's not doing a very good job

But all that can wait, as here is the loan update.

NEC Nijmegen lead feyenord 1-0 until the 75th minute when Awoniyi was subbed on, then it all went wrong.
They immediately conceded an equaliser before eventually losing thanks to a last second goal.

Flannaghan watched on from the bench as Burnley lost 3-1 to saints.

Ryan Kent played the full game as Barnsley threw away a 2-1 lead to eventually lose 4-2 to Fulham.
Opta gave Kent a 7.6 and said he was there brightest spark.

Allan came on for the final 15 and helped hertha Berlin come away with a well earned point at Dortmund. The game finished 1-1

All attention has been on Huddersfield and the job Wagner is doing, so typically their match gets televised and they lose.
Ward could do little about the penalty as the game finished 1-0

Bogdan helped Wigan to their second 0-0 draw in a row. They may be near the foot of the table but bogdan is doing his bit with consecutive clean sheets

Jack Dunn missed out through injury as morecombe lost 2-0 to Stevenage

Ryan Fulton and chesterfield slumped to yet another defeat losing 1-0 to Southend.
Chesterfield have lost 4 of their last 5

Wisdom could only watch in horror as Salzburg threw away a 2 goal lead in the last 3 minutes of the game!
However a last minute straight red to Salzburg centre back Caleta-Car could be a blessing in disguise to wisdom as he should now be brought back into the starting 11.

Jones missed out threw injury as Swindon drew 0-0 with Wimbledon.

Sam hart will be happy he missed out through injury as port vale got battered 4-0 by Sheffield Utd!

Markovic and sporting did not have a game this weekend

And that's your lot redmen.

17 Oct 2016 08:47:54
Thanks Carra.

17 Oct 2016 09:22:45
I hope we have a way to get Flanno back, we have no RB cover and if he's going to sit on the bench there he might as well sit on our bench.

17 Oct 2016 09:48:32
I share your thoughts hjikle - eds if I may ask, what is going on there with young flanno? I have no idea why they aren't playing him? and would there be any chance we could pull him back?

{Ed001's Note - they don't want to disrupt the side too much. I very much doubt he will be coming back.}

17 Oct 2016 10:15:36
Ok thanks ed1 - I find it a real shame, he had a lot of potential at one point.

17 Oct 2016 13:29:09
Thanks Carra, good sir.

17 Oct 2016 07:42:24
No word of a lie I dreamt last night that we won 6-3!

Crazy thing is Its quite possible at the mo!

Can't wait for k. o, massive game!

17 Oct 2016 07:27:26
I know it may play into our favour but.
How can a team playing in the Europa League Thursday be involved in the last game of EPL fixtures the preceding weekend?

Certainly wouldn't be chuffed if it was the other way round.

17 Oct 2016 09:30:31
Well it did happen to us last season Agger. We got on with it - they have 3 clear days between games and never have to go more than a 45 minute drive. It's hardly an unreasonable schedule, especially when United have 3 or 4 first team players that can't even get on the field!

17 Oct 2016 14:26:48
That`s why you have a squad.

17 Oct 2016 06:39:40
This one to Eds,

Is this the most talked game on the site Eds?

{Ed001's Note - no idea.}