Liverpool Banter Archive May 17 2016

17 May 2016 20:14:18
Now Eds, is the banter page down at the minute?

Baz.

17 May 2016 20:12:38
Imagine we get Zielinski, Matip, and Karius all for under £10 or £15million collectively and then arrive at the possibility to sign Gotze for £17-£20 million. Years ago Matip wouldn't have joined, Gotze would have been too expensive and we would have overpaid for Karius and Zielinski. Should we put this down to Klopp or just to the club being in the right place at the right time to take advantage (potentially) of these deals.

17 May 2016 21:34:29
3 for a tenner not bad! With klopp as manager that's a realy draw for players. If we managd CL then we become a very attractive proposition, even without, we seem to pay ridic wages so could get a few playerd we previously couldn't anyway.

17 May 2016 22:16:57
Don't want nor need Gotze's, IMO.

17 May 2016 22:46:13
I don't think we need Gotze no. but I'd have him part of Liverpool any day, he's good enough and would definitely add something.

17 May 2016 23:17:33
Gotze is one of those well known players, known worldwide and will sell shirts and get fans worldwide spending money and getting excited. Something we haven't had this season.

{Ed002's Note - Where do you think the money from the shirts goes?}

17 May 2016 21:26:45
Matip is rubbish mate, and then it's a kid and a player that use to be good. Meanwhile West Ham are bidding 31 million for lacazette.

18 May 2016 02:29:00
Matip wouldn't have joined, are you serious, he is exactly the type of player I would expect under Rogers. Have you actually seen any of the players we are bringing in before you think we have got some bargain deals.

{Ed001's Note - have you? Because Rodgers would not have touched him, you are talking crap. You clearly are just a wum.}

18 May 2016 05:50:09
Assuming Zielinski comes in and a wide attacking player, I see no need for Gotze at all.

18 May 2016 06:59:47
Matip is one of the best defenders in the league. He got into whoscoreds team of the season, which is not great priif but it's based on the players ratings throughout the season, so it shows Matip is consistently good.
So what if they have bid for Lacazette, Lyon won't sell and he wouldn't join them except for maybe big bucks.

Götze is a player who would slot into our first team straight away ahead of lallana, we may not need him, but at an undeniably bargain price suggested of 20-25 million Euros then it would be daft not to pursue it.

Karius is a good young keeper and according to the stats has made 0 errors leading to goals this season compared to mignolets 7, that's the important stat to me.

18 May 2016 08:01:41
Is Matip crap? I don't no a thing about him.

17 May 2016 23:29:13
Ed002, ha ha, maybe some believe sponsors are just there to pour money into clubs without making a return?

Now we know why some believe FSG have not thrown the kitchen sink at it!

18 May 2016 00:46:45
Not the shirt itself Ed002, but the little " above the letter 'O' - there is heaps of money to be made in the extra printing it takes to do that!

18 May 2016 12:17:28
This 'we don't need Goetze, don't buy him' stuff is getting on my nerves. Who would you rather?

17 May 2016 19:23:02
the one thing klopp has done is buy players for the right price instead of inflated prices which will help the clubs finances he truly is doing a great job in all departments of his management.

17 May 2016 19:40:49
Zielinski looks a good buy. Plays for Empoli who are like Dortmund. Quick passing pressing team. He can ping the ball around well, dribbles, and can take a corner. Not bad for the money. Can see that a fair amount of the young guys we have won't cut it when Klopp puts his stamp on us over the summer. I would say we are 70% of the way there.
Here's to success tomorrow night and the building of a new era.

17 May 2016 21:07:48
Am I missing something? Have we signed anyone yet? Zielinski and karius aren't nailed on yet lads.

17 May 2016 19:08:32
ive just been watching btsports which has old liverpool games on from when they where in the champs league, at the moment liverpool v juventus is on and big sami hypia has just scored, then after that there's more build up of tomorrows game, brings back some good memories.

17 May 2016 18:00:02
Ed001, Rob Jones, would you agree that he was the best RB England could have ever had only to see his career ruined by injuries?

But there is another player I would like to get your opinion on too and he is Vegard Heggem. For me a brilliant RB but unfortunately injury ended his career too.

{Ed001's Note - Rob Jones I agree on, much as I loved Heggem he was not a great full back. He would defo have been more suited to the modern game because he was great going forward but terrible defensively. Jones, on the other hand, was brilliant defensively and excellent going forward.}

17 May 2016 18:19:55
Thanks for the reply Ed.

Yeah, brings back the memories of the exciting football we saw under Evans. Pity the club never gave him the opportunity to take the club forward. The appointment of Houllier as joint manager was a complete disaster and forced Evans out.

Finnan was another favourite RB of mine.

{Ed001's Note - Finnan was excellent.}

17 May 2016 19:10:47
i think stevie nicholl was also very good, but he had some big feet lol.

17 May 2016 20:20:11
Didn't heggem score a couple or worldies for us?

17 May 2016 22:18:54
Loved Finnan.

17 May 2016 15:48:36
Hi Ed's, I know you don't like random names being thrown about but ,,,

{Ed002's Note - Why not try the European pages?}

17 May 2016 15:54:34
Could you send the link please.

{Ed023's Note - There's a drop down window at the top of the page with links to all the others websites we have}

17 May 2016 16:03:52
Yer sorry lads I found it. Posted my question on there, ain't been on for a few months so forgotten how it all works!

{Ed023's Note - No worries}

17 May 2016 15:40:54
Hi eds reds my 8 year old son who is a Liverpool fan has trials at Fleetwood town tonight I'm really nervous any recommendations on how to relax cheers.

{Ed023's Note - No need to be nervous as there is nothing to lose and everything to gain - tell your son football is about enjoyment and go there and enjoy himself. Best of luck to him this evening}

17 May 2016 15:54:57
Ok will do thanks ed. Just hope he enjoys it now.

{Ed023's Note - I'm sure he will - let us know how he gets on}

17 May 2016 17:47:49
Good luck to him.

17 May 2016 17:48:18
and if he fails tell him to never give up if that is his dream. not everyones going to be a messi and get it early, some have it late like jamie vardy.

17 May 2016 17:58:29
I coached a kid to get to Charlton. All I said was, do what you have been doing. That's what they have seen and that's what they want. Signed up to go next season.

17 May 2016 18:48:54
Just tell him to enjoy it and he will be fine. Good luck to him.

17 May 2016 19:18:55
i wish your son the best of luck and i hope he gets in.

17 May 2016 22:43:22
Tell him to Crush It and have fun doing it.

17 May 2016 13:15:09
Just to let u boys know that we had a baby boy 6 pound 12 few complications but hopefully if all going well will be allowed to come home in a few more days. Wife doing well. And a new Liverpool supporter a good sign as I was born in 1984 we won the European cup and hopefully 2016 we will win again!

{Ed001's Note - congratulations mate.}

17 May 2016 13:27:53
Congratulations on the birth of your new baby boy!

17 May 2016 13:33:01
Congrats pal I've got my 2nd due at the end of the month too bring him up well born a red die a red hopefully when he's our age we ave doubled our league and European cups and reign as Europe elite :-)

17 May 2016 13:34:57
Congratulations dude, kids are awesome! For long periods of the day/ week/ month/ year you won't remember WHY they're awesome, and then they'll smile, or laugh, or fart, and it all makes sense.

Now get out there and buy that boy a ridiculously expensive replica kit!

17 May 2016 13:43:12
Cheers mate all ready got a tiny kit ready for him lol.

17 May 2016 14:42:33
Congratulation on the birth of your baby son.
God Bless him.
By the way. have you thought of names for him yet?
Jurgen seems to be quite a popular name right now 😄.

{Ed023's Note - Congrats Frazer}

17 May 2016 15:53:50
Ha ha I tried so many times with Liverpool names it was looking like Lucas till the missus heard his name during a game and said no! So it's maximus, sneaky in a way as I loved maxi Rodriguez when he played lol, I'll post a pic in his kit when we are allowed to bring him home still a couple more days away yet, can't wait.

17 May 2016 16:08:03
Maximus Decimus Meridius? ;)

Congratulations buddy! Wish you all the best. My missus had her first scan yesterday! Between us, we'll bring a couple more future Liverpool fans into this world :P.

17 May 2016 16:14:47
I'd go with Luke Frazer Christopher (LFC) and see if she notices ;)

17 May 2016 16:37:36
Congrats Mk hope all goes well for you both its a great time, wife was not a happy bunny when the 2 sets of Liverpool clothing turned up but hey ho tough! Just like to say thanks to every one who has posted really nice touch! Cheers.

17 May 2016 16:59:23
Cheers buddy. And don't mind what the missus says, you make sure that wee lad is a red 😛 maybe in 18 years he will make his debut!

17 May 2016 18:38:13
Ah brilliant news mate. My little 1 year old boy is getting his second Liverpool kit for the new season. Well whatever happens tomorrow night your house will definitely be buzzing.

17 May 2016 19:20:44
Congrats Frazer Y. N. W. A.

17 May 2016 12:43:47
Hi eds I need to get a number to benny baller for the euros can u get his email for me please cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I can pass yours on to him if you like?}

17 May 2016 10:03:30
Good morning eds. A question regarding the youth. We're all expecting a big clear out in the summer so I was just wondering which of the youth you think has grabbed their opportunities best? Personally I don't think many have done as much as expected. Ojo has looked exciting in parts, Smith, Stewart and Brannagan on and off but the likes of Chirivella I think were disappointing. Would welcome your thoughts.

{Ed001's Note - far too soon to judge them. Stewart is the only one that has really stepped up and fitted in smoothly. I don't understand why people are on Chirivella's back, he played well when he got his chances, but somehow people never see what a player like him brings to the side.}

17 May 2016 10:16:46
Eds that's why I asked your opinion. I wasn't getting on Chirivella's back, I think his reputation from the youth set up hasn't helped him. He has done very well within the youth and so me as well as others I think probably expect a bit too much, especially when the likes of Stewart have just come in and quietly did a tidy job. Normally the players would be given time but with the size of our squad and the need for big trimmings to be made is the time going to be there or is it now or never for a lot of them? Would loans for the young ones be considered as cuts?

{Ed001's Note - Chirivella played as well as Stewart in his appearances, he just does it less visibly. I guess people fail to notice good defensive work as it doesn't manifest in running round like a headless chicken like Mascherano used to because he was moronic when it came to positional sense. Chirivella is very tidy, he gave away a few passes, but Allen gives the ball away constantly and people are still verbally masturbating over his headless chicken performances at the end of the season. It amazes me.

We have already trimmed the youth squads down to a manageable size, it will be the older few, the Teixeira's, Dunn's and Ilori's that leave in the main. Those at the end of contract will be leaving. The rest it all depends on if we get offers for them, then we might consider it, but nothing will happen until after this week gets finished.}

17 May 2016 10:33:27
Chirivella only had one bad game. Swansea just over ran him that was all. let's not forget that Stewart, Allen and Chirivella (the same midfield that couldn't cope with the Swans), absolutely dominated Song, Noble and Kouyate in the FA cup earlier in the year. Young lads have bad games. You just have to accept that. Pedro definitely needs to bulk up or he will face the same fate as Rossiter in my opinion. But his talent is not in any doubt for me.

On Stewart, he hasn't had one bad game before or after his injury. It's amazing how seemlessly he has stepped up.

Smith is similar to Chirivella in the respect that he's been inconsistent (with his worst game also coming at Swansea), however he needs to work on different things. Namely how quickly he spots danger and when to time his runs forward.

Brannagan has seen less game time than Stewart, but as with Kev, I cannot remember Brannagan having a bad game (he has looked comfortable in midfield, attacking midfield and even on the right) . He primarily needs to work on his composure though. He has the technique, awareness and aggression to overcome his lack of physicality, but he rushes his final decision which often leads to an over hit/ misplaced pass or a scuffed shot.

Ojo on the other hand has everything ability wise. He works hard, is faster and stronger than people 5 years his senior, has an excellent delivery, can beat people effortlessly etc. What he needs to work on is his decision making. It comes across as greedy, but it is just a typical example of a youngster not getting his head up and trying too hard to impress. He needs to be eased in so it doesn't go to his head. He can be special if he stays grounded though and accepts that he has 10 other players with him.

All of the above are great prospects though. They just need to iron out their individual flaws.

17 May 2016 10:45:14
Yeah Chirivella had a really good season other than 1 bad half. Klopp had seen enough from him to give him a start but unfortunately it turned out to e a tactical error. It was too much to ask him and Stewart to go away from home and boss a midfield including Sigurdsson, Cork and Britton.

Personally, I think our youth prospects are pretty good. And they're only set to get better as those being allowed to leave are replaced by those whom we've already started bringing in. Like Lattie

The best of this year's crop, combined with a few additions, will give us a very fine back-up 11 that allows us to let higher earners like Skrtel and Lucas leave without our squad looking too thin to compete in 4 comps.

17 May 2016 11:22:35
MK, Allen didn't play against Swansea, Klopp played a 2 man midfield, which was exactly why we struggled compared to when we played our second string with a more solid 3-man midfield. It wasn't the fault of the personnel.

People forget that Ojo and Chirivella are still only 18 but are already ahead of many other older players. We will be allowing players aged 20 and above to find new clubs. Cleary and O'Hanlon (makes an Irishman sad) are gone, with Trickett-Smith, McLaughlin and those mentioned by Ed01 expected to follow. Another batch of youngsters will be brought in and most of our U19 squad who did well at the Spax Cup will still be around.

17 May 2016 13:00:12
MK I agree with you again (this is getting too often for my liking, how are we supposed to debate if we keep agreeing lol) . I think some of the youth have done a more than admirable job but as I've said in my response to the ed001 my main worry was if they had done enough and more to the point is would the cuts give them time. Thanks again for the response ed, if they are given time then there more than a few that could flourish with us or else where. I can't say anything against Mascherano ed as I was a huge fan. I thought his tireless energy, harassing and bullying of opponents made up for his failings. That's in the past but as most now I do think our midfield is missing a bit of that Mascherano steel but let's not go down that road as that's a different debate and I'm not going to argue with MK again. Exciting times for us LFC fans I think we can all agree, to see this LFC team evolve under Klopp and his team be it with the youth or astute buys.

17 May 2016 15:04:18
I've been most impressed with

Stewart - composed and mature, seems to mostly be in right place at right time and rarely flustered under pressure

Ojo - seems to have pace and tricks like Ibe, but also a good reader of the game, makes good runs and also has a decent pass and shot on him. have high hopes for this lad

Brannagan - mostly neat and tidy but shows he has an eye for creating chances and great dead ball delivery

Those are the three I'd prioritise to bring through next season.

Of the rest, I'd like to see more of Chirivella in cup games as I think he's been very impressive for an 18yr old, but has a way to go before PL standard. Agree it wasn't his fault vs Swansea though. Both him and Stewart would have looked better with a more experience head alongside either one (or in a midfield 3). We asked too much of them to hold the base of a 4-2-3-1.

Ibe I really think has lost his way a bit - not just in terms of confidence, but in his vision, passing and runs off the ball. Seems to me to be too static, easily marked out the game and then hoping he can take on 3 people with his head down. Needs a full season loan in the championship I feel to build experience.

Smith I think is decent and would be happy to see him get another run. Great crosser of the ball and not terrible defensively but needs to improve quite a bit.

Randall I'm not sure about myself, solid but not sure he's dangerous enough in attack or solid enough defensively to really make the grade. really hope Flanno continues to recover to challenge Clyne or we're a bit exposed there if Clune gets injured.

Having seen enough of them to be fair, but think Kent and Canos aren't ready and would rather see Ojo and Markovic given the shot in first team with these two given another loan at a decent championship side to build experience.

17 May 2016 17:00:33
Haha, nought wrong with agreeing mate lol!

17 May 2016 07:46:41
To gazza I know you asked about Joe, he's doing great, he needs fluid removed from his knee now and then but training outside now, medical staff have been brilliant all the long term injuries are back before schedule, and like I said before the semi against Villareal they expect Origi to play some part tomorrow, unless Klopp really decides otherwise, but he's obviously travelled.

17 May 2016 08:44:52
Champion news mate.
So the hope is, a full pre-season and ready and waiting for next season?
As always Sqaure. Much appreciate the updates 👍.

17 May 2016 09:41:13
Yes mate everyone will be fully fit for pre season 👍🏽.

17 May 2016 06:17:24
Whoever leaked the zielinski and karius news, can't you have waited for just 3 more days.

The last thing we need before a final is players worrying abt their places next season.

We need 100 focus!

17 May 2016 06:28:07
I was actually thinking the same thing, this is not the right time to be finalising transfers haha.

17 May 2016 06:51:04
well they will be pumped right because their place in under threat? and besides tbh zelinski doesn't threat no one, and migsi needs to be threatened rightfully so that he keeps his game on the money in the final. I am scared his lapse could cost us the game.

17 May 2016 10:29:27
I must say I'm quite surprised to see so many comments already slating Zielinski and he hasn't even signed for us yet! What the hell is wrong with some of our fans! How about you have faith in Klopp's judgment and support the lad (if he signs) regardless of what you've seen of him on YouTube!

17 May 2016 12:43:47
Scarface, he probably doesn't have a good rating on FIFA16 so is clearly deadwood .

17 May 2016 02:16:48
One of the things that stuck with me this year was Carra's comments that it has been a long time since Liverpool purchased the finished product of a player in the transfer market.
With Zielinski and Karius looking odds on to sign, and a lot of smoke around Gotze (although could still go either way), I was wondering who would be that one realistic signing that could come in and have a huge impact.

Looking at the team, with Lallana, Hendo, Milner, Can, Firminho, Allen and Coutinho (plus possibly Markovic and the development of Ibe as well as Ojo, Stewart and Chirvella development) we are stacked in midfield then there is Zielinski who I don't know enough about if he comes as a starter, and possibly Gotze.

A fit Sturridge is lethal, Ings looked like he was in for a good campaign before the injury and Origi has come leaps and bounds, leaves the defence.

Clyne has locked down the RB with Flanno backup, Moreno and Stewart could hopefully push each other so we have LB covered and we have Matip, Lovren, Skrtel, Ilori and Gomez for CB, and Mignolet, Ward and looks like Karius at GK.

I think some people in midfield will go namely Allen and with the shortage of LB's, think a commanding CB and/ or a Top tier GK would be the way to go.

Not expexting Lahm as a DM, Neuer as a GK or Alba as a LB, but a Godin or a Handanovic could be reasonable. What are people's thought on how the squad should shape up and where LFC should buy the finished product?

17 May 2016 06:32:41
Honestly we will have to wait until preseason properly begins before we can have a real good look at the players coming back from loan and players being brought in to see how the squad will shape up for the next season. I think we will have a good idea by August. I personally feel like the finished product should be a midfielder, preferably a more defensive minded one, someone that gives the likes of can and Henderson more license to go forward and be able to dominate and cover the midfield. There are some decent players out there but they would cost. I don't think klopp will go for the finished article unfortunately hence the signing of zielinski.

17 May 2016 06:57:39
if we get diego godin we would win the league, he is that good and criminally under rated. This guy is the leader of the miser Athletico defence that has stuck it up to Barcelona and real in la liga and has reached CL final twice in three years, beating teams like Barcelona nd bayern!

17 May 2016 07:10:51
Squad is bloated, but expect a good amount to leave. I can think of 6/ 7 first team players which could go. They'll also be 1 or 2 surprise departures.
We should under Klopp compete for four trophies next season (should under any coach, but he seems more demanding then the last one) .

I think he has come to realise that the championship, as we as 'lesser' prem sides are of a much higher standard then their equivalent in Germany, Italy etc. I think that loans will happen in contradiction to his previous act and comments. Ward, for example, will be one who might be loaned over selling. Just my guess, of course.

We already have the players and squad to compete, so adding quality that is better then what we have and Karius can't be worse then Mignolet. Zielinski could be better and younger then Stewert, more likely to push Henderson or Can for first team, which inturn improves their game. Gotze under Klopp could be better then Lallana in the way of scoring as Lallana has improved in terms of energy and pressing. You'll have to trust Klopp on signings, he has reached two cup finals and used 95% of the squad so he will know.

Seems Origi, Sturridge and Ings should all stay and with Firmino able to play CF (allegedly) we are well stocked. One place, sometimes two from four players. As I said, four competitions, add Klopps required game play level and then the fact that all three strikers have had months upon months out with injuries. Suddenly this 4 doesn't seem enough, but of course it is and almost all title winners have 4 striker options.

We still need a LB and another CB, but only if we can sell Skrtel and Sakho is done. We have Lovren, who's been excellent. Matip, who has always looked good quality. Hopefully Toure, but really will be bit part and I'd think Ilori will be sold or loaned. Lucas has looked good there, but if we want to win things we need a finished top class CB and one who plays on the left as everyone else wants to play on the right.

Just my thoughts.

17 May 2016 12:39:18
I will just trust in klopp and support whoever we sign to be fair. All the speculation will play out and what will happen will happen. One thing I know for sure is that season is going to be immense. Good luck 2m lads. ynwa.

17 May 2016 12:50:44
Actually I would put Flanno as RB and Clyne as back up.

17 May 2016 06:11:04
Y do you think Zielinski is a finished product. He was on loan at Empoli last season. I am still not getting y are we buying similar players every summer. What about Brannagan then? What's the difference between Brannagan and Zielinski?
What happens if Can gets injured, Don't say it would Lucas against Hazzard.
Not sure if we would buy Gotze with Zielinski coming in. Where would you play all the attack minded midfielders?