Liverpool Banter Archive May 17 2015

17 May 2015 23:00:24
So according to Ballache Real Madrid have already sounded out Mourhino and Rafa but apparently Rafa isn't good enough for us anymore according to lots of our fans, I'd take him in a heartbeat, proven class unlike the unproven class clown we have now

17 May 2015 23:39:02
Its not that Rafa isn't better than Rodgers he is, he just isn't a long term solution or even a solution for that matter. Because of the mire we are in with our current manager I think it puts nostalgia blinders on some fans.

Rafa was also poor with the press (not as cringey as Rodgers but still), he bought poorly - Riera, Dossena, Josemi, Morientes, Keane, Pennant, Aquilani. He could play some really drab football at times as well.

He is a fine manager tactically, and lends himself well to European football and might even win some trophies but I still think he would be a step backwards for the club, keeping Rodgers is three steps back mind.

18 May 2015 01:27:06
He is no longer good enough because he's had his chance, a sir year period and did not win the PL which he should have. He also represents the past as we are looking to the future. Comparing him to BR is a false argument because BR is not that high a bar to reach or surpass.

18 May 2015 04:16:41
much as I don't think rafa is the long term answer he's got to be better than Rodgers. if we can't get the likes of klopp, bielsa, simeone etc ( which are all highly unlikely) then I would look to give him a 1 year contract with an option to extend. if he's that keen on coming back he would bite at that. if it doesn't work out he won't cost anything to get rid of and i'm sure the result of that season wouldn't be any worse than where Rodgers would get us. he took a short term contract with Chelsea so its not totally out of the question.

18 May 2015 06:33:07
Its dumbfounding to me that Liverpool fans want to keep looking backwards for success. Rafa had his chance here, his time has passed, now look forward and move on. He won't be returning, however much some want him to.

18 May 2015 07:35:29
Would anyone seriously want ragas hideously boring style football again?no thanks.i used to do the nodding dog in games so many times,he would be a bad move.

18 May 2015 08:18:04
Does it matter if we play boring football? I'm not saying rafa will win the league but the way we playing with rodgers we will never win it. Defensively we are shambles and despite rodgers best efforts he can't find a solution. We need a manager who will make it hard for opposition teams to beat us. Rodgers can't do that, but rafa can

17 May 2015 21:58:19
We might be in 5th, but both Spurs and Southampton are playing better than us and capable of overtaking us, especially given the way we are playing - so there is a very real possibility we may yet end up as low as 7th.

17 May 2015 22:27:52
It's all the one really .

17 May 2015 22:31:41
I'd love us to be in the Europa. We need to be competing and other quality leagues value the competition. It's now also a road to CL football which considering the current top 4 and their assumed spending this summer, it's essential we take it serious. If it's too many games (it isn't) it can also be useful for fringe players and youth to take oppertunity.

It just feels like Brenden isn't playing for it, going on recent performance. I wonder if he sees a season without Europe being like the one we finished 2nd, no distractions and less games.

Total shame if true. LFC need to be playing in top competitions and only our sour press don't rate this and have drilled it in as being a worthless cup, just like they did the league cup a few years ago until Chelsea or Utd won it then it became fashionable again. Tragic really.

17 May 2015 22:34:21
We got lucky on that run we went on with a couple wonder goals. If we hadn't of scored a few screamers on the way we would be a bit further down.

18 May 2015 01:31:55
The team has been serving dross for the whole season bar three months hence, not surprised about where we are and fifth is not even sewn up yet and judging by said dross, we may not make it. I guess BR will come out and say that seventh is progress and where we need to be with 100m spent because you know, nothing is ever his fault.

18 May 2015 04:19:39
is we finish 7th will Rodgers come out with ' that's where we are'? nonsense again? even though spurs and southampton have both spent less than he has. refuses to take any reponsibility and point the finger at other teams cos' they have more money'

18 May 2015 19:30:49
As I said, NOTHING is ever his fault.

17 May 2015 20:40:15
Hey Ed, posted on here an hour or two ago about Gerrard, however it seems my post has been removed. Any reason in particular? I'd appreciate if you could put it back up:)
Cheers,

{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

17 May 2015 19:33:18
This is one of the saddest days of my life. I've decided not to renew my season ticket.
Great seat, great memories but at £835 plus cup games not great value.
I've been saying for years that we need a top-class defensive midfielder, goalkeeper and striker.
Apart from Luis Suarez we've fallen woefully short.
The amount of wasted money has been obscene and we aren't much better than Southampton, Swansea and Crystal Palace.
If the future is Rodgers, Pascoe, Danny Ings, Origi and Joe Allen then I'm going to keep my money.
Good luck Liverpool, I think you'll need it!
ANFIELDPETE

17 May 2015 19:39:43
Sorry to hear, not a decision you have made lightly. I am beginning to feel the same thing that I am rather wasting my emotional energy and money on something that's is massively disfunctional.

17 May 2015 20:09:16
Nout wrong with origi or allen anfieldpete. Ings isn't required as we have youth. Top gk dm and rcb is required

17 May 2015 20:19:16
Shame that mate. Treat yourself to a nice holiday with the money every year.

17 May 2015 20:39:49
Fair play mate. I do think that for the amount of money the players and managers earn, the value for money that liverpool season ticket holder got this season was close to zero. I am not a ticket holder and thought of going to one or two games this season (the away game in Arsenal, the cup semi final, the chelsea game) - which unfortunately all turned up to be extremely expensive so I gve up but given our performance and the results in all of them I didn't really regret not going.

If this was any other business, entertainment for example, such consistent poor perfomances would end up with no audience. In your case your season ticket will be sold in no time even if they raise the price and al the games next year will still be sold out.

17 May 2015 20:49:26
Pete I totally respect your decision, I have been to 13 games this season, 6 league, 7 cup, I would miss it too much mate to give it up as I enjoy the buzz as going. Would you rather go shopping on a Saturday? Also you staying a member? Anyway I hope you enjoy your free time mate.

17 May 2015 20:48:31
If not renewing a season ticket for a football team is the "saddest day of your life" then you're a very lucky person.

17 May 2015 22:34:33
Why slate Origi before he's kicked a ball for us? Glad you're not going to renew.

18 May 2015 02:03:38
FSG know that to keep their customers that is, the fans, they have to present a good enuff product on the field. And if that is not getting done then those they have employed to oversee that critical part of the business need to be sacked. Simple economics, really.

18 May 2015 05:56:40
We never have a problem selling season tickets, even under Hodgson. FSG know that.

18 May 2015 06:45:56
Max Renn, why slate Origi before he has kicked a ball for us you ask? That's because that what Liverpool fans and supporters do now. Its par for the course that Liverpool supporters slate, hate, spew vitriol at our players, our managers, former players, players we are interested in etc. Oh, almost forgot to mention that all of Liverpools woes are the fault of Chelsea, Mourinho, Roman, John Terry etc. This is the modern day Liverpool supporter. Get used to it, it is proved on this forum everyday as the Ed's would confirm.

{Ed001's Note - you forgot about Sterling, as, now he won't sign a contract he has gone from a great prospect to a useless anchor holding back the team according to the fans.}

17 May 2015 18:17:53
90 min.com running story linking Rafa with return to Liverpool. .

17 May 2015 19:37:57
The link is entirely speculative and works as follows:

1) Rafa is leaving Napoli despite having an offer to stay. Rumour is he wants to return to England and it's a safe bet Liverpool would be his first choice.

2) Rodgers is not on firm ground here.

3) Therefore Rafa might become Liverpool manager.

Note the word "might". There's no definite suggestion anywhere in the media that the club will sack Rodgers and there's no suggestion that they want Rafa if they do sack Rodgers.

17 May 2015 20:54:57
My choice would be:-

1) Klopp

2) Emery

3) Ancelotti

4) Rafa

5) Bielsa


Not that I am anti Rafa, he loves Liverpool. I just think the others are more interesting.

If none of the others are available I would still be happy with Rafa.

18 May 2015 06:50:25
Something Red, you are right, there is no suggestion anywhere that Rodgers will get sacked. That's because the people that matter- FSG, haven't said a word about it at all. Its only their opinion that matters in regards to hiring and firing managers, what's posted in the media means nothing as they themselves have said nothing.

17 May 2015 17:31:54
I know this will sound unbelievable but it's true, sterling was in London at some point today( might still be) he was helping his cousin out with a car, I'll be able to find out at some point today if he's said anything to him about leaving and I'll post on the site when I hear about it. Also on a side note youngster Joe Gomez has been asked if he would be interested in a move, although it's unlikely as he turned down Arsenal earlier in the season saying he's not ready to leave charlton. I've mentioned before I've got a few links with young English players including Ibe Whenever I hear anything I'll post on the site.

17 May 2015 19:54:12
Thanks man.

17 May 2015 15:12:37
Right think I might be one of the only people on this site that doesn't want to see Rodgers sacked in the summer.
We have let ourselves down this year but it is not only Rodgers that is to blame for this. The players have also been poor fair enough you can argue that they are playing to the tactics they are given but they do so last season too. The "Transfer Committee" haven't helped either. This site was buzzing last August when our business had been done and the same people thrash the same players they were happy to sign. We have a lot of young players in the team with another years experience of the physicality of the EPL. Yes I agree that the striker situation was a big mess up this year but I don't think Baloteli was a Rodgers signing at all. Prior to the signing he said he had no interest, Remy was close at that stage who would have been a better fit. I think that with a few good signing in the summer we can really kick on.
Yes we will have lost a living legend a void will need filling there and a we have a very very poor frontline but we have the time to fix the frontline this summer and get some quality additions. Personally I feel Ings would be a good signing and let's be fair he's not going to be signed as our number one striker but will fill a gap as we have to assume we will lose Borini, Baloteli, Aspas, Lambert. I would be happy to go into the season with Sturridge, Ings, Origi, and another top striker INSERT NAME HERE. I would send Sinclair out on loan to an EPL club if possible.
I don't think we need wholesale changes in midfield and would look to bring Illeramendi in along with Milner and I would sacrafice Joe Allan to make way.
In defence I can only see us improving in this area next year. Sakho, Lovren, Skerts, Toure should cover us in C.B although poor this season they IMO are 4 solid individuals. I do hope that we will look to maybe Wisdom get some game time at RB this year and let him and Flanagan fight it out with McLaughlin keeping a close eye. For LB Moreno will be better next year but feel back up or competition is a must.
I hope this season is just a bedding in time with the palyers we have. I do worry we are not singing off the same hymn sheet but feel that Rodgers deserves a chance to turn things around. My biggest worry in replacing the manager is that we start again.

Cheers guys. I do know 90% On this site don't agree and want someone like klopp but if klopp had as bad a season next year as he has had with Dortmund you would be screaming for him to be fired, you could also argue klopp has a much better squad this year with Dortmund that we have now. just a thought

17 May 2015 15:47:18
Klopp has already won one trophy with Dortmund and May will win another as they're in the final. His response to their underperformance was to ask to be let out if his contract. Still waiting for Rodgers to do the same but I expect I'll be waiting for awhile as am sure he has more blame to spread around first.

17 May 2015 16:00:41
Yes Klopp has done a lot I'm just saying that's the mentality on here at the best of times. If he had that same season as Liverpool manager the fans on here would be all over him.

17 May 2015 16:22:33
And rightly so, if any Manager had the season Rodgers had after having the amount of money he has had and 3 years in the bank they deserve the sack. Managers get sacked all the time, few get the chances Rodgers has had this season.

It just reads like a list of excuses for us to employ a man who will continue to make mistakes and will ensure we are have another year with a man taking us in the wrong direction. It is absolutely his fault for the way the players are playing, that is his job, get the players playing well. He is part of the transfer committee and gets final say as far as who is coming in from what I have read he has vetod more than one deal (Bony, Remy etc.)

I haven't even begun to mention the embarrassment he is in press conferences, the only reason he is still in the job is that last season he manager 2nd and failed to adequately replace a player (two arguably with Sturridge out) with over 100M in funds.

17 May 2015 16:15:36
It's not really comparable, though, is my point. If Klopp had been here for 7 years and won multiple titles and then had the year they've had so far, winning one trophy and being in the final for another as well as doing pretty well in the CL, then I really don't think so.

If it were his first season with us, again I don't think so as most would consider a Charity Shield plus a good chance at the FA Cup as perhaps not great, but acceptable. A big difference is that by and large while Dortmund's results haven't been great, their performances have actually been pretty decent. Us, not so much with many, many very poor performances.

Either way it is likely irrelevant as I don't see Klopp coming to Liverpool, unfortunately.

17 May 2015 16:16:38
So we settle for being average then???
What a joke

I want my team to be putting up a fight, show some heart!
Not wimper out of the season not fighting for every point available. 1-3 to palace ffs
That's twice we've list to them this season, it just isn't good enough. But if your happy with this rubbish then so be it

17 May 2015 16:37:55
It's a valid opinion JQLFC, my opinion is that he really has to got though. I don't trash the players we bought last summer, I actually like most of them, for me they were mismanaged, Balotelli was just a mistake, and an adequate striker wasn't found, but overall I think we can improve, the squad needs to be cut down (again I'm not going to trash players, the wage bill has to be reduced and the players that are the right fit need to be retained). The reason Rodgers has to go is that he failed to achieve at least top four, and has had us playing dreadfully for most of the season, instead of trying to recognise his mistakes and amend them he's blamed everything and anything but himself, we should have walked top four this year but didn't, that is down to Rodgers, almost solely in my opinion, and then there's the whole PR minefield that he his.

17 May 2015 16:39:08
He wouldn't get another season in any of the 4 teams above us and not even in Spurs in my view. Keeping him is saying we are happy with 5th and no trophies. Among all his other issues - he isn't being able to prepare the teams for big games and you cannot win trophies this way.

17 May 2015 16:44:29
I agree totally Phooey, there is nothing more disappointing than knowing a team like Palace haven't taken a scalp because we were just so god awful, allowed ourselves to be walked all over at times, it's just terrible.

17 May 2015 17:00:33
Funny that the five players you suggested we get rid of were all bought by rodgers and cost the club about 55 mil. Don't want to hear nonsense about balo wasn't his choice. He has the final say( as he did with bony and remy) otherwise you can take credit away for the likes of coutihno who was recommended to the club by Rafa - he's been arguably Rodgers best buy and it wasn't even him.

All the other reasons Why he shouldn't be here next year have been answered by countless others.

17 May 2015 17:04:14
Yeah I do agree with a lot of the points above a lot has gone wrong this season that needs fixing. I'm not suggesting that we settle for 5th if you read my post I have said that we need to kick on and sign a couple of quality players. I just feel that if we can get a player a spark up front we could really have a good go at top four next season as I said a lot of young players who will have undoubtedly learned from this season and will only come back stronger next season. Maybe Rodgers isn't the guy to take us forward but I'd give him the start of the season and see how we go. It's nothing to do with setteling for mediocrity it's showing faith in a manager who has been good (IMO)since he arrived until this season.

Klopp point a silly conparrison on my part not meant in the context it was taken up.

17 May 2015 17:25:18
I would have stick with rodgers even if we finished as 10th as he had definite plans and was very good with press and team last year.

However he looks absolutely clueless this season with his plans and media which is most worrying for me.

Last season he said about points we need to get and amount of goals we need to score and he got it absolutely correct. However this season he expected the midfield buys to get goals, that actually did not work,(sterling, lallana, coutinho). This season we only scored 51 goals, last season we had 101 goals.

No player got into double figures.

Liverpool need to get one striker who can play 30-35 games and get
25 goals/assists.

Rest I think midfield can make up. We cannot buy top class player as other top teams does, so it is important to sign best players possible rather than quantity. Rodgers went for average players and he does not play them to identify that they are poor(aspas,borini, alberto) etc.

Rodgers would not have been in this situation if he got remy / bony.

Another fact is that he is hindering the growth of good quality youth team players with his crap buy. If "sterling" is good, suso was equally good, he can strike and shoot better than sterling, So did shelvey.

I personally believe we should have given more chance to rossiter/yesil/sinclair as we had more games to play this season.

(There is also a highly talented list waiting kent,ojo,wilson)

What I am saying is that he shipped out good quality youngsters and brought so many crap players. Interesting part is that he is not playing them, instead he is leaving them on loan and buying players like manquillo on loan and not playing them. so many foolish things happening and he don't know what he is saying in media, pour qualeeteey.

17 May 2015 17:42:34
For me personally I dread to think we can't find a suitable replacement, I just don't think I can trust the team to win anymore with him in charge. :/

17 May 2015 17:43:27
We signed plenty of quality last summer and they either have been either out of position or not at all (Can, Marko)or ruined by Rodgers (Lovren and Moreno). Bodger vetoed Remy's signing, he would have been perfect for us. Clueless moron and must go.

17 May 2015 17:49:17
JQLFC96? Why give him another summer, especially if there is not a DOF at the club. That means another window for him to play hungry hungry hippos with attacking mids and central defenders and more mess for another manager to deal with WHEN (not if) he comes in.

What makes you think Rodgers will sign those quality players, the only real successes he had brought in are Can, Sakho, Sturridge and Coutinho. Everyone else is still up for debate, through no fault of their own in most cases due to being played out of position, in odd formations or not played at all.

17 May 2015 18:51:41
Remy injury record is nearly as bad as Sturridge, I don't believe he would of been a great signing.

17 May 2015 19:36:56
Comparing BR to Klopp is a useless comparison that is not worth discussing. BR has failed and would not be given another year at another top club after his failures over three years so why should we accept failure for fear of not being able to find a better replacement? That is just BS of the highest order. We thought we wouldn't find another manager after Shanks yet we found Paisley. We would not find another manager after Rafa yet we found BR who got us back to the CL. There are good managers out there and we need the right manager to manage this talented yet underachieving squad that has suffered severe mismanagement on the part of BR. If the owners keep him, then they should not bitch about losing money and no success because that is what they would have signed up for.

17 May 2015 20:32:16
I don't want Rodgers sacked unless someone who can guarantee the title comes in.

17 May 2015 22:54:11
No manager can guarantee the title!

18 May 2015 06:04:20
I agree Keith so do we "accept mediocrity" or just sack the manager every time we don't win the title?

What do people accept? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? The odd cup win?
When does mediocrity become success? When we take points off Palace?
Some of the arguments don't add up.

18 May 2015 13:00:01
The only arguement that matters is we won't win anything with Rodgers.

19 May 2015 02:49:04
We have won nothing with him and getting worse every week so what makes you think he will win the pPL when he couldn't even beat a Villa team almost destined for the drop in the FA cup semis. Your argument is pointless

17 May 2015 14:25:30
Eds great work you guys doing here just asking do u think the owners have already make a descison on Rodger or they will make descion on review day.

{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that. They will not be making any knee-jerk reactions.}

17 May 2015 22:19:41
There shouldn't need to be any knee-jerk reactions - those making the decisions have had nigh a whole season to now address the consistent embarassment and mediocrity

18 May 2015 02:21:46
Which is why whatever is being said in the media by BR, his acolytes and the pundits won't change a thing because it did not for KK when they fired him in the summer yet the decision was made six months prior. Whatever the decision, the dross we have served up will do nothing but confirm what they may already have known about him and his antics because remember, they never trusted him with money hence the TC and they have been lied to for transfer funds and promises made to them by BR have been broken with those funds wasted. IMO, they will not tolerate that type of misconduct and failure.

18 May 2015 06:12:07
We'll see

17 May 2015 14:07:59
Hi all first time post . Just to say keep up the good work. Ynwa

17 May 2015 12:35:06
We all know we're not where we want to be, but the first thing that needs to be done this summer is moving players on from the club we need to neaten up the squad so we know exactly who does what it's all a bit messy right now, aspas, alberto, Balotelli (who I bumped into one time he's a really nice guy) Coates, borini, jones, Johnson Enrique I'm sure I'm forgetting others, then players on loan need to be told what the plans are for them, I feel like some players are just being left in the dark about their future like wisdom and Ilori and also texiera (I know he's injured). Once all that is done smart signings are crucial this summer, can't have anymore mistakes, Milner would ad good experience and hard work, I'm a fan of Ings from a distance but I agree with ed001 we've got Sinclair is there any need for Ings? It'll be hard but we need an experienced striker someone who can handle the pressure of expected goals every week, obviously difficult with no CL but Higuian or Jackson Martinez would be excellent. The next thing to do is address the goalkeeper situation whether that's replace mignolet who's improved a lot recently but I'm still not completely confident, I don't know who could be a great realistic signing, but if we want someone to push him I really like karius the defensive personal isn't a huge problem to me, it's the way the players are asked to play apart from skrtel who's concentration isn't there so he's caught out all the time the players are good enough, I'll probably get tonnes of disagreement but it's just how I feel, this summer is crucial.

17 May 2015 21:35:51
The first thing that needs to be done is hire a new manager, IMO.

17 May 2015 10:02:59
Hi Ed, what are the chances of Rodgers leaving in the summer? I hope the QPR result and performance are not over shadowed by Gerrards last game. I haven't seen the progress in the team and significant improvement in his signing to believe he deserves a another season. Especially when there is someone better (Klopp) available.

{Ed002's Note - This has been done to death. What if Klopp moves to a side that has shown interest? Sam Allardyce might be available - go for him perhaps? Or do you think a measured and planned approach might be better?}

17 May 2015 10:30:06
Ground hog day has found a new home I see, after years of being stuck in it and getting tanked by all big teams away season after season and forever 4th we beat city and utd and finally woke up to no Sony and Cher on the radio.
But I see by your page your well and truly living it day after day after day of the same posts of is Rogers going or Rogers must go.
Hope you some how break free soon or I fear for your sanity.

17 May 2015 12:02:41
Hi.
We were woeful for the first half if the season with so many players bedding in.
.
We had a decent run post Xmas but whenthe pressure came on we failed badly.

Since then the wheels have fell of the wagon largely again with in club transfer gossip been discussed in public and added pressure of trying to give gerard a trophy to seee him off

After all that We will finish 5th.
IF EVERYONE at the club learns from the above shambles then things have to improve.
Look at the clubs above us and see the swift in club ways transfers are handled AND IMPORTANTLY the TRANSFER AMOUNTS PAID PER PLAYER BOUGHT.then it shows the size of the task.
At the end of the day last year United were missing. Chelsea had a new manager. Arsenal touch and go .
And we had one game a week.
Thats why we came second.

To sum up if Fsg Don't up the transfer kitty to match above us and ourr transfer policy of buying 4 potential players instead of 2 top players.
Then 5 th is where we will stay.

17 May 2015 12:12:01
I think the groundsman has more of a clue than BR, at least he could not blame the grass.

17 May 2015 12:41:39
I liked the look of the new 2-2-6 formation we played in the last half hour. Has enough places for the collection on attacking players, just not sure if our 12 CBs are going are going to be happy.

17 May 2015 14:34:05
There is no guarantee we will finish 5th. A loss at Stoke next weekend, which is entirely feasible, and wins by Spurs and Soton would see us fall to 7th.

17 May 2015 21:45:56
The transfer kitty is not the issue as we spent more than any EPL side this season so that argument is bogus. The prob is how the kitty is being spent and the person making the final say on transfers. This was our season to make a huge leap towards challenging for the title in a now very poor EPL. But BR messed up and now we have no money, no CL and more debt. That is our reality and he needs to be held accountable for such horrendous blunders that have plunged our club so deep.

18 May 2015 06:19:36
Did we spend more than Man Utd?

Doesn't seem right to me, when you add up Roco, Di Maria, Shaw, Herrera and Falcao.

18 May 2015 06:29:48
Di Maria 59.7m
Luke Shaw 28m
Herrera 27 m
Falcao 6m
Rojo 16m

= 146 m roughly


Lallana 25m
Lovren 20m
Lambert 4m
Mario 16m
Can 10m
Markovic 20m
Moreno 12m

= 107m

So Man Utd actually spent approximately 40 million more than us and are currently 1 place ahead of us.

{Ed001's Note - Origi? And Lallana cost £27m+, Lovren £22m+, Lambert £4.8m+, Balotelli £17.5m+, Can £10.5m+, Markovic £22m, Moreno £15.8m+, Manquillo £1.76m (loan fee) so that is a bit more than you said without Origi. Mind I do agree United have spent more, they spent the most money in world football in the summer.}

19 May 2015 00:17:31
False argument, again. We spent the money we spent for the promises we were made by BR and he failed, end of. Dragging other clubs into it to soften the blow of BR's failures on our club's fortunes is just a desperate attempt at validating his failures, IMO.

17 May 2015 09:52:48
A big thanks to all the supporters at Anfield yesterday. It was a very emotional farewell to our legend.I am thinking everyday who we can bring to replace Stevie, but I can't find anyone with the same passion and commitments for the club. As for our performance against Palace we were awful all over the park. However, the performance of Sterling for most of the match we played this season was catastrophic. He can't beat his opponent one to one anymore and lose too many balls. It would be interesting to know a stat on the number of ball he lost during all the match he played. I can't understand why BR continue to play him for 90 mins every match. If we get a good offer for him we should defo let him go because he is clearly very overrated.

17 May 2015 08:25:12
Due to ffp, i would be happy with consolidating the playing staff and selling those we no longer need or want to move on. And would be content with 1 quality striker and promote some talented youth players to fill the gaps in the squad.

We don't even necessarily have to break the bank to get a striker as there are a few quality players in the last year of their contract. Its time to forget about the ings of this world, our recent history shows that our transfer policy has not worked and its time to rethink the model. Ever since rafa we have been crying out for quality over quantity and if the people in charge had been following that strategy we may have had a decent squad years ago and not found ourselves in the wilderness that we now find ourselves in.

Like i've said previously, historic lack of foresight and leadership has seen this club falter and from what i can see we will continue to fail until someone with true vision and intelligence takes on the project.

17 May 2015 07:37:34
I believe we will get beat at stoke and if other results go against us we could finish 7th and that means we will need the Arsenal to beat Villa in the cup final, so we play in Europe next season. Rodgers as failed to challenge for the title like he said we would, we failed to get out of an easy champions league group, failed to win a domestic trophy in 3 yrs and as failed to come out of any interview without using the words outstanding. I ask why are some fans still swallowing his bull s***. I want a change. The Owners have given him enough money, but his tactics of trying to outscore teams using a system that doesn't bring the best from the 4 strikers he brought to the club, as failed. I am using that word more than Rodgers uses outstanding and magnificent, desire, group, quality. I hope we make a change this season regarding Rodgers, it would be a truly, wonderful, magnificent, outstanding contribution from FSG.Truly outstanding .

17 May 2015 08:39:28
T MONY

I'd rather us miss out on the Europa in all honesty.

Get a new manager in and all he has to contend with is making the top 4 no other distractions.

With losing Gerrard you lose an influential player and one which other players wanted to play with.

Rodgers can't be given more time nor money the guy has made a mess of things.

Majority of the team are playing out of position and he's hung can out to dry since playing him at RB.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot afford not to be in Europe at all. Loss of income from prize money, loss of income from match days, loss of income from television, reduced income from sponsors, lost commercial income. However, there will certainly be other sides very keen on Liverpool's place. All the club need to do is write to UEFA and tell them they do not wish to partake.}

17 May 2015 09:50:52
Eds, my mate showed me Liverpool are currently top of the fair play league. Will this give us a route into Europe even if we were to lose our final game? Assuming we don't get 5 red cards etc.

{Ed002's Note - 5th and 6th are guaranteed a European place. Coming 7th won't get a place - so if (a) Liverpool come 7th, and (b) are the highest placed team not already qualified for Europe, then they will get the place that has been allocated to England this season.

I should say that with one game to go I don't know who is top and I cannot calculate it from the most recent table (where LFC were top three games ago). I can say that the second and third based teams have not had as many bookings as Liverpool since then but the rest of the points are pretty subjective.}

17 May 2015 10:28:50
I see what you mean ed but the money gained through Europa is a fraction compared to CL.

So would a season without Europa not be worth sacrificing to give ourselves the best chance of getting back into the CL

Playing on a Thursday at the back of beyond in Europe only makes it harder on a Sunday afternoon.

Surely Liverpool would still get the sponsorships they want without Europa, is have thought the sponsors craved CL advertisement.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has had plenty of practice not playing in Europe in recent years - it has not made them better. I don't see why not playing in Europe would give the club a better chance of Champions League. Without Europe at all Liverpool will lose many, many millions in sponsorship - even the main sponsors have been knocking of £5M a season with no Champions League. There is nothing special or magical about Liverpool. There have been mistakes over the years and the fan base is, as evidence by this site, pretty awful (present company excepted) nowadays. They simply want knee jerk reactions to everything. They want money (the more the better) spent on players regardless of whether or not they would fit in with the team. If the club qualify but want out of the Europa league it is easy enough to withdraw.}

17 May 2015 10:39:43
Let's beat Stoke and make sure we have european football next season.

17 May 2015 22:07:13
With the dross and lack of belief and passion we are serving up ATM, with The Politician at the helm, I don't see that happening.

17 May 2015 01:40:11
Ed s fellow reds a very sad day for our club today .imo and I said this a few years ago on the coach up to Liverpool v Man City carling cup semi 2 nd leg 2010. That Stevie g is the best aground player I have ever seen .and I've been going to Liverpool for 30 odd years .he could do everything an absolute genius of a footballer and will be greatly missed well done lad you've proved that with a lot of hard work and effort your dreams do come true .hopefully in a couple of years he will return in some form and maybe just maybe he will win the prem .the man is a true masterclass .good luck Stevie and family .YOULL NEVER WALK ALONE as long as we're around .thanks for the great memories .LEGEND in the highest degree .

17 May 2015 08:26:57
I could have written that myself. Well written Luis. I doubt we will ever see his like again, a true local lad made good, Liverpool's Roy of the Rovers. Good luck in LA LA Land Steven, and thank you for giving us countless memorable moments. Istanbul will forever be the best night of my life.

17 May 2015 00:08:04
I very rarely post but enjoy the site immensely, especially the knowledge and banter of the EDS excellent guys.
I hear from within the club like others on the site that Rodgers will be given another year, to all those wonderful Liverpool fans out there what other club would give him that chance? none are we wrong?, too faithful or just stupid. For me a little voice from Swansea who lives now in France who has supported and loved Liverpool for over 30 years its sad to see where we are today let's just hope the owners have the foresight to make that big decision and against many television and newspaper pundits end the reign of Mr.Rodgers

17 May 2015 22:13:04
The eds have said the owners have not made a decision yet so the "within the club" sources are not that reliable and neither is the media.

16 May 2015 23:07:45
Just wanted to say a huge thank you to Steven Gerrard for his huge contribution to Liverpool FC. Been following the team for almost 50 years now and he is up there with the very, very best in terms of skill. What puts him ahead of the all the others though is that he has stuck with us while others have moved elsewhere. I still don't understand how having given up international football to prolong his [Liverpool] playing career has ended up with him leaving. I suspect that the man management skills of the Brodge are not as magnificent as some would have us believe. Personally they seem to be on a par with his PR skills and transfer judgement.