Liverpool Banter Archive June 17 2014

17 Jun 2014 23:54:41
Hello there eds n reds. Just wondering do many of the scousers go down and watch our Liverpools womens team.? What are they like.? i'm only wondering because last night at training we had a scratch match against the girls team and one of the girls had skills that made me look like a baby giraffe with a ball at their feet lol. Made me think well if this girl at my local club is this good then how good are the premier league girls.? Just interested. Hope all is well

Tidy. .

My Over-35s team (including some ex-semi pros) played against our state Under 15s girls team (Australia) last year. I have honestly never played against that a team that good in my life. The only area we beat them in was height and physicality, otherwise they wiped the floor with us with amazing one-touch football.

18 Jun 2014 12:56:45
A team of 'old geezers' beaten by a bunch of girls, who would have though it?

Only kidding, Blocked but that does make me feel very young!

17 Jun 2014 23:13:31
Eds and reds,
I don't want to talk finances, as in how much each player will cost, but does Liverpool have the ability to buy Lovren, Moreno and Lallana for the prices asked?

{Ed002's Note - I really do not want to get in to money, sorry.}

18 Jun 2014 05:54:37
Ed002,

Fair enough, are we looking at other targets because of the price tags set on these players?

{Ed002's Note - You are just making stuff up.

18 Jun 2014 09:15:56
I suspect if Lovren does leave Saints then it could be to Barca (if their interest is genuine.)

Koeman has past history with Barca and additionally will be reluctant to allow good players to strengthen EPL sides if he is after taking Saints to CL, as he has stated.

Same reasoning as LFC not wanting Suarez to move within the EPL. Just my opinion, but there isn't a need or a desire to sell so I suspect such considerations may be more significant than normal.

17 Jun 2014 22:13:15
Think some just need to relax. I still think we will get Moreno even though Spurs are interested This is exactly what Sevilla were hoping for, a bidding war

We offer CL football. Are Spurs even in Europe next season?

Moreno seems to be our number one target and if he has agreed terms with us even though terms have not been settled with Sevilla then surely we are in the driving seat?

Well said Max1981 I also feel that the deal will be done.

18 Jun 2014 17:02:47
Spurs need to buy a striker r 2 wouldn't worry about them all their decent players want out as well, can't see them being as attractive a proposition as us.

17 Jun 2014 21:00:56
Eds & Fellow Reds

I've been perusing (through fading eyesight and oil burning night light) our jolly little site in recent weeks without posting too much,
digesting all potential signings suggested by your good selves, of which many seem plausible, some even possible, a few maybe affordable.
Well, having written down all the names suggested on little scraps of Basildon Bond, i've jumbled them up, put them in a Muhlbauer Antelope fur felt Bowler Hat, gave it a whirl and no matter how many times I do this, 1 name just keeps popping out 1st after every spin.
A name many of you have mentioned,, how uncanny,, and i'm now all for it.

A player clearly FITTER than Jordan Henderson, someone able to ATTRACT the opposition into positions they would not normally be comfortable in, and also quite clearly an individual with much more UPFRONT to offer than any of our current forwards put together.

So Brendan there it is, i'm on the bandwagon, give the teeth a good polish & get on the plane and make it happen, and no pinching on the thrupenny's.

Sign Shakira now.

YNWA

Hopefully she can dance round defences and net us 30 goals a season

Her hips don't lie.

I think Shakira would be an excellent addition to the physio team or the coaching staff, would definitely get hips and things working ;-)

17 Jun 2014 19:48:51
Eds do you think its possible that we could indeed turn our attention back to either Rojo or Blind, now that Moreno looks deal looks dead? Or unlikely

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Daley Blind will not be an option - Rojo might be (unless he read what the posters here think of him.}

Do you think Blind isn't an option as he has decided to go elsewhere Ed?

TBF Ed's - if the current players read this website after each game they would need a shrink for the rest of their lives. he's hoping you do not provide an Argentinian translation to this website ;o)

Thanks Ed. don't no why he gets trashed he looks very good to me. The Express are saying we have interest in him. Not sure how reliable they are though?

18 Jun 2014 13:02:58
I'm sure Rojo doesn't give a hoot what some guy sat behind a computer thinks of him, Ed!

{Ed002's Note - I had no idea that Rojo is different to other players - most players worry a lot about the public perception of them. The Liverpool owners employ a company in East Hartford to gather data about the perception of the club and the employees in the public domain. Several players (including at least two from the current Liverpool team have spoken out on this very subject. One player who was close to joining Liverpool was astonished at the abuse when I showed him a couple of years ago.}

18 Jun 2014 14:03:52
Well, I guess we'll agree to disagree here Ed, since I'm sure we can both cite examples for own point.

Footballers are only human though and are hurt by abuse all the same, however, the (unfortunate) hostility within football from fans means abuse must be taken with a pinch as much as possible, I think.

18 Jun 2014 14:33:46
Ed002, please don't show potential new players how abusive some fans are. We have enough trouble completing deals as it is. haha.
Hard to believe sometimes than footballers are just the same as us, just better at football (mostly) and richer, much, much richer.

{Ed002's Note - Actually I showed him the site. Another player who was a neighbour in Monaco just laughed it off when I showed him.}

17 Jun 2014 15:38:28
I think this world cup has been a cracker, and every LFC player has been reasonable so far, i'm not a Glen Johnson fan so the jurys out with him.

17 Jun 2014 16:56:47
I actually thought Johnson had his best game for a long time against Italy.

17 Jun 2014 22:02:17
Yeah he only made 1 major error. That's an improvement at least.

17 Jun 2014 22:39:48
He did have a good game, relatively speaking. But that's because the opposing winger in front of him was giving him space. Tighten the marking on him again and you'll see the errors come back.

I think it was largely due to the fact they were ripping Leighton Barnes a proverbial new one, mostly due to rooneys ineptitude.

I still maintain glen will suffer the same fate at some point in the next two games. hope I'm wrong, mind.

Baines was clearly the weakest link against Italy but Johnson did ok and he should help the forwards more in the next 2 matches especially against Uruguay.

17 Jun 2014 14:00:06
Might be a bit of an ambiguous question
but from a guy who has never seen emre can play
ig you had to compare him to one player in the whole of world football who would it be and why?

Sterling can beat that easily.

I think he's Kind of like Alex song mate

17 Jun 2014 22:03:29
He's more like Steven Gerrard of old Shane. He's a very powerful runner.

Hmmm. That's a tough one. He reminds me of Arda Turan when he's attacking, but Michael Ballack when he's defending.

Excellent player none the less.

17 Jun 2014 12:57:44
Question for ed's if possible. If Liverpool receive an offer for saurez that is acceptable do you believe Liverpool will allow saurez to leave or would he need to hand in a transfer request. Would I be right to assume club have looked at alternatives if this scenario plays out?
Cheers in advance

{Ed002's Note - If an offer is "acceptable" then by the very nature of it they will let him leave. I have no idea whether the club would look to force him to hand in a transfer request. I am sure the club has some idea of what they would look to do if he heft.}

17 Jun 2014 13:15:22
If He scores a hattrick against England ( that's the only way I see Urugway reaching knock out) He would be reagrded as the best considerng thier poor perfromance in the first match, We could expect an offer from Madrid.

Acceptible offer = 80 million pounds plus an additional 5 million quid for every goal he scores in the world cup and 7 million extra for the Just Can't Get Enough song translated into Spanish.

Su nombre es Suarez lleva el famoso rojo
Yo simplemente no puedo tener suficiente
Yo simplemente no puedo tener suficiente
Cuando él anota una volea o puntuaciones con la cabeza
Yo simplemente no puedo tener suficiente
Yo simplemente no puedo tener suficiente
Se anota un gol y el Kop van salvajes
Y me parece que no puede obtener suficiente Suarez.

Well, there's 7 million saved.

You forgot to translate the 'dododo's

Hi ed
So whom do u think we will buy or try to buy if Suarez leaves

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to this, sorry.}

17 Jun 2014 22:06:43
The club do not want to sell, however I am led to believe they have replacements in mind should the situation arise; same as last year. The expectation of the players at the very least is that he will remain at Liverpool but do not discount Real testing that resolve with a gargantuan bid.

Sorry RedAce but I just can't see Madrid paying more than 2million for that translation.

17 Jun 2014 12:37:46
Hi Eds,

We have been linked with every CF/Winger and their dog at the moment but of the names floating around, Thorgan Hazard, Lallana, Shaqiri, Max Meyer, Markovic and Firmini, who do you think is most likely?

{Ed002's Note - I can't answer "most likely" questions - but you can use the search engine.}

My opinion would be Shaqiri. I can't see the others signing and Lallana unless Saints drop there asking price he will be out of reach. Shaqiri seems more probable than the others.

17 Jun 2014 11:34:40
I'm just surprise by the 40% that voted yes for the poll regrading lucas. Have people forget how he was the first name on the teamsheet last season? There's even quite a lot of people naming him the next captain after gerrard.
I get why he get lots of hater for the style he played. And I believe that if he's not brazilian he will get less haters cause he ain't "true brazilian" but he always does his job well. Did lots of dirty job for the team. Yes every now and then he give away needless foul and freekick but times it's essential. If not a counter may be on and BAM 1-0 down. A goal or a yellow? I know what's my choice

I like Lucas but I think your facts are slightly blurred, he's not been the first name in the sheet for atleast 3 seasons now since his injury ( v Chelsea? )

He's unfortunately not recaptured the same form as pre injury IMO and has found himself moe of a squad player.

I would still like to see him kept though!

I agree. Surely the idea is to improve and increase the quality in the squad. Why would you bring one in and ship one out? We will need options next year as well as experience. Do people think before they push the button?

17 Jun 2014 12:12:53
You do realise that the transfer window hasn't even opened yet? Look at all the other top teams, none of them have signed players yet apart from Chelsea. Even Man United who apparently have a ball of money havnt signed anybody. And if you havnt noticed, we seem to have moved on from Lallana.

1st name on the team sheet, are you for real?

17 Jun 2014 12:37:51
To all the 3 above.
How would Lucas improve our team?. We play with pace, Infact blistering pace. Each and every memeber from Gerrard contributes to it in some ways. Henderson is a BB player, While the front 4 are damm Mobile.
Joe Allen isn't getting a chance because of the system we play and some believes Lucas would get ahead of all.

17 Jun 2014 14:45:16
There's always injuries and also off form. And gerrard ain't any younger

The truth is, our attack was more important than our defense last season, particularly once Lucas was injured and we had to play Gerrard there. Stevie reinvented himself in the style of Xabi and Lucas never was fit enough to challenge him, so he was played too far forward on the few occasions he did get on the pitch. I think he'll stay, but if he were to go, I suppose Can could fill in for Gerrard there. IMO, Lucas' future depends on how much Rodgers favors Can once he gets to work with him a while (and, obviously, whether we have sufficient interest in Lucas' services).

Keep Lucas, his family r besties with the suarez's. He will be needed in CL and is proven. No point selling him if he is happy to stay.

17 Jun 2014 22:24:05
Lucas has slowed down considerably. I would have thought he could have stayed as Gerrard's back up. But with Emre Can signing on and the tight finances, it's time for him to be moved on. With thanks and appreciation for the years of loyal service.

17 Jun 2014 10:48:00
I don't know what's the figure of Alexis Sanchez, But hows it Juve trying to sign him and we aren't making an effort?
He is right up there in terms of quality, And its pity we hold no concreete interest in such a versataile player.
I am a firm believer, We shouldn't spend over the odds for any player. But dragging whole summer beyond a southampton player, who hasn got a clue on CL and then another Sevilla hot shot for some massive fees doesn't get into my brains.
Liverpool deserves Alexis Sancehz. No question about it. And If the player signs for any other club this seaosn, This has to be a big miss considering we have CL this term.
We need a LW more than an expensive CM

So Harry will you be willing to pay his asking pricesnand take one for the club?
you ssk why we ain't going after sanchez then it is for a lack of money we are not in a financial position to spend 30+million on a player without selling suarez
andvit will be like this until we are in the cl for a continuous period anr all the debts have been paid off

Alexis Sanchez can only come if we sell Suarez. go figure.

17 Jun 2014 12:40:20
Reet

As I clearly said, I don't wanna spend over the odds for any player, But let's see how much we would be paying for Lallana and someone for Sanchez at the end of the window. I don't think the margin would be drastic. If so We have missed a good player.
If Liverpool could bring one class player with all the fee reporting, Then It has to be Sanchez over any lallana.

One minute you say we shouldn't spend £20m on one player, now you're saying we should, make your mind up.

Was thinking the same thing Mcronald, I thought you had already said we weren't in a position to sign sanchez, harry, now you're having a go at the club for 'making no effort'? Make your mind up

17 Jun 2014 13:47:12
AW and Mcdonald

We should be careful in buying players, All that I meant.
I am sad because we have no concreete interest in a player whose capture would be excellent for us. Infact He is the most important player till now available in the market.
I am always against paying over the odds, But A player of Sanchez worth a look. Sulery not Moreno.

I agree with you its not very often a player of Sanchezs quality becomes available who we could actually sign. I can't see any reason why BR wouldn't try and sign him he's exactly the type of player we need and he's adaptable which BR is looking for. Imagine a front 3 of his suarez and sturridge with either coutinho or sterling just behind it would be immense

17 Jun 2014 14:49:32
NE_Red

I agree with you, Considering we have CL and We have had a bid for lallana ( Which is quiet high) Failed.
I would have gone straight for Sanchez. Juventus like Liverpool won't be spending likes of City or Cheslea. And I am not sure about the wages in Italy compared to EPL.
A move for Sanchez would give a lifeline for Allen to perform which He could.

No Matter how vulnerable we might be in the middle at the expense of a good player Lallana.
A front 4 of Sanchez, Suarez, Sturridge, Countinho/Sterling is above everything.

17 Jun 2014 04:04:06
Hey eds,

Just wanted to say that if we fail to sign alberto Moreno, it will be a huge miss. People will think he is far to pricey and that their are better options but he is exactly what we need for our system, which is why we would offer so much for him.

If we want a young left wing back who is great going forward and can't defend, we could get Ben Davies from Swansea for less than half the price.

Bertrand and Rojo are and always have been better options than Moreno who is just too over priced. Their are better options out there and this deal collapsing is a blessing in disguise. I've no doubt Moreno will be a good player, but he'll probably never be as good as his price tag. I think Ashley Cole is the only left back of the last generation who has been truly World Class; across all nations. He'd have walked into any nationsl team over the last decade comfortably. The decade before was littered with excellent left backs suck as Roberto Carlos but for 10 years now all the top clubs have struggled with that position. Alba and Alaba look to be good prospects but it's taken long enough for some to show up.

Moreno is not worth the money Sevilla want and everyone here knows it. It doesn't make you a bad fan for admitting it.

I agree mate as the eds keep saying we know what we need to do to complete the signing of him and Lallana, Moreno is a very talented player that will only get better, I really hope we complete both deals as it will make our first team even better and give the overall squad more competition.

17 Jun 2014 11:01:52
Big D

Mate we need a LW more than an Expensive CM.

Im baffled as to why Bertrand keeps popping up he is no better than what we already have infact Enrique is better, you pay for quality not quantity, if you want quantity than Bertrand but if you want quality than we have to go for Moreno, he is a very good player that will get better and will no doubt improve our starting 11, we have already agreed a 5 year deal with Moreno and the fee its just the structure of the way its being payed that is holding up the deal but now Rakitic has gone I fully expect the Moreno deal to go through.

{Ed002's Note - Why would Rakitic moving have any impact on Liverpool's ability to find the money for the Moreno transfer?}

Mate we need a LW more than an Expensive CM.
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With our style of play we don't need LW and RW we rely on our LB and RB to provide the width. At the front we use 3 interchangeable players . but if you were hinting at Sanchez, I agree with you, I think he will fit perfectly with or without Suarez .

BigD. You have no idea how well Moreno would do. Rojo would find it tough moving from Portuguese league. Blind got less assists than Aly Cissokho in twice as many games and a much weaker league. Bertrand is a good player who just needs a platform. I think he could be a very good signing. It's not about how much you pay. Zabaleta is best. RB in league but wasn't costly .

Bertrand is not an improvement on what we already have at the club, Moreno is by far the better player and when we sign him you will all see.

Bertrand is miles better than Enrique, more experienced than Smith and more comfortable at left back than Flanno.

Moreno is worse than Enrique defensively, no more experienced than Smith in English football, but indeed he is more suited than Flanno again.

I will trust Rodgers instinct as he is perhaps confident he can improve Moreno. He has talent no doubt but it is so raw right now. I'm not against Moreno entirely. I'd give him a chance. But for £20m on a full back? Well I'd be expecting one of the top 10 in the world not one of the top 15 in La Liga

17 Jun 2014 12:42:45
Roy

We have a RB whose only attribute is going forward, and you what's the result of it.

East Midlands Scouser, I appreciate your opinion just like I do every other fans opinion but I am more than happy for us to pay £16.2M GBP for him as clearly a left back is a priority as we have struggled since Riise left, yes Moreno is a little raw and not tested in the epl but no question I believe that he can be a world class left back and solve our left back issue for years t o come I also feel he is more suited to the way we play as he is brilliant going forward like Johnson is but granted his defensive play will need improving but I really do hope we get the deal signed.

We have a RB whose only attribute is going forward, and you what's the result of it.
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This is another can of worms Harry . but the system we play ( as I see it) is utilising attacking R/L back to provide width . if the right back is not good enough in his defensive duty then this is another problem need resolving . I do feel sorry for Glen though, and I am not defending him, but he is an attacking RB and most of these players the world over are not that brilliant defensively .
If you suggesting, probably we should change the system, then again this is another discussion, but for me, if it worked for Barca then it should work for us eventually

How can you claim Bertrand is miles better than Enrique? He is 25 in a few months and spent most of his career playing for Chelsea reserves. Enrique must have played 200 pl games. Why has no club been pulling up trees for his services? Its just folly to make statements like this.

17 Jun 2014 15:09:56
Roy

You got it right there, I don't want us to change the system and we aren't going to do it.
Barcelona doesn't play counter attacking system compared to us. They have the ball all night and hardly Alves is get caught.
If u look at Baines at Everton. He too is an offensive LB, But has the protection of Barry and McCarthy.
Remember our 2 goals against them at Anfield.
I think Emre Can would help us in this. Or Gerrard should develop into a Top CDM next season.

17 Jun 2014 01:15:30
I truly hope we don't buy Shaqiri, he will never get his head through the Shankly gates! he strikes me as money orientated, and no true loyalty to anyone but himself! for me no thanks.

17 Jun 2014 04:09:34
Welcome to planet earth.

Made me laugh El _Pistolero, me being on Planet Earth, first for me! as far as Shaqiri is concerned I have thought that way since we very first showed interest but I just didn't post it on here! hope all is well with the other earthlings!

17 Jun 2014 12:25:38
The whole world is money oriented to some degree. It doesn't bother me however arrogance is not a welcome trait. He does strike me as slightly arrogant but sometimes it takes a tiny bit of arrogance to make a good player great.

17 Jun 2014 12:44:02
Shaquiri is a good player. He had 6 goals in his only 11 appearance for Bayern last seaosn.
I agree He was poor last day.

He was an integral part of Switzerland's win the other night, and I think the only thing holding him back from being a top class player is the eight other world class midfielders also playing for Munich! Ribery, Kroos, Muller, Robben, Gotze, Alcantara, Martinez, and Schweinsteiger. I really like Lallana, but if the difference in price is massive, Shaq's a great option.

Didn't people on here say Sturridge had attitude problems and was arrogant as well?

17 Jun 2014 00:58:55
some fans turning against buying Moreno when he is exactly what we have been looking for! fast, young, strong, can attack and defend, the nearest thing to "Barney Rubble" I have seen! if we don't get him we will be sorry, but that's just my opinion.

17 Jun 2014 03:43:44
Couldn't agree more.

Fast, young and can attack. Strong? Not even close. Can defend? Yes, but very average.

He's a left wing back at best right now. Thankfully I don't think we are going to sign him. I would take him for £8m. He is a good prospect. You don't pay ~£20m for a prospect though.

17 Jun 2014 11:13:32
I don't remember a LB bought at 20 mill, Unless he is World class. Luke shaw might break that.
This has to be one in Jose head, before walking away from the deal.

Of course its all about opinions at the end of the day. let's be honest, we may all type what we think but none of us mere mortals have a clue. Some might think they do!

Well you're the expert mate!