Liverpool Banter Archive June 17 2013

17 Jun 2013 23:09:29
Haven't posted in a few days. So will ask the users and any ed on tonight. Is Gerrard holding the team back? We all know what he can offer. So I'll add some negatives to have a think about.
1. When things don't go well, other players rely on him instead of themselves taking the game by the scruff. 2. It seems if there was 2 options to pass too, 1 being Gerrard, our players will always pass to stevie. 3. No one else becomes vocal because of him. 4. Everyone is worried trying something in a build up, that if it fails, are worried it would upset Gerrard.
Not trying to be negative against captain marvel. Just wanted to make a suggestion

You said i'm going to list some negatives then said you don't want to be negative against him.

He is our best player, Suarez aside, don't be so ignorant towards him

17 Jun 2013 23:49:24
How would you know this? If players are scared of upsetting Gerrard they shouldn't be at our club. We need players with a stronger mentality than that.

Hounsred

I agree with all your points minus Gerrard- I think they are true for Suarez. Look at how much more freedom Henderson played without Suarez in the team. Gerrard is not actually that vocal, he tells people what to do when he needs to, but its rare to see him really going for it [FR]

I understand what you are saying but last season was arguably his best season ALL ROUND. His consistency. His leadership. His 8 or 9 goals plus his 10+ assits were all factors that prove to me and perhaps a few other reds fans that he can carry on for a couple more seasons yet. However. Chelsea are an example of how to slowly but surely I troduce the bext gen of talent. Lampard is by no means a rubbish player. Atleast none more so than when he was 5+ seasons ago but they have the 'bodies' and the talent to be able to play him every now and again. They have a packed midfield. We dont. Hence the overreliance of Gerrard. The point your trying to make is what Rodgers has seen already after his first season in charge hence the interest in Alberto, Mkhitaryan, Eriksen (initial interest) and we have Coutinho, Henderson and Sterling. The more options we have the less we rely on Gerrard and as a result we will narurally improve. However. I wouldn't worry too much after the season Gerrard just had. YNWA

Thanks

Kam Rayat

Actually Ben rose. I believe if you not only look at the stats, but watch games he's missed. It shows our results are better.

The positives far out weigh any negatives you could conjur.

Rubbish post. All teams have big players. The others need to step up and be more assertive if what you are suggesting is true. Luis can go but Stevie is almost irreplaceable.

cozinoz

I don't think Agger, Erique, Johnson, Lucas, Hendo, Coutinho are guilt of what you are saying mate. I don't see the problem anymore - I know it used to be there, but haven't noticed it recently.

18 Jun 2013 07:27:26
Yes Gerrard is holding the team together.

Holding us together, not back.

18 Jun 2013 08:08:00
Yes. In the same way Xavi is holding Barcelona back.

Being on the same pitch/in the same team as Gerrard will only bring the best out of players? Torres, Suarez, Downing, Henderson and more recently Coutinho and Sturridge to name just a few are all improved players given the opportunity to play alongside one of the true greats of the Premier League era.
Just ask Xabi Alonso if you don't agree with me.
Rodgers often gets credited with players improvement but please believe it's just as much down to Gerrard.

That's the most disrespectful thing I've ever read Stevie G IS Liverpool football club

There may be a little bit of truth in the notion that players feel a little inhibited by Gerrard's presence, but isn't it upto to them to man up and show some balls, rather than expect Stevie to drift away so some quiet little dears can come out of their shells.

They're professional sportsmen, and we want them to go to places like Old Trafford and the Nou Camp and put on a show, this requires character, the same character that's required to stand up to senior pros.

Stevie's not the problem. Liverpool need more big characters in the dressing room, not less.

Dave's Dog

Hi Benny,

I agree a bit, but also agree that the other players need to be stronger and step up to the plate more!, but it is a decent discussion point for some!
John Wigan

I have to disagree with OP. If other players are in good position, Stevie would be happy that they pass the ball to them rather than to him.

Stevie created space for himself that's why he is in good position most of the time and that's why players pass the ball to him so that he can create opportunity almost out of nothing.

I disagree, if what you said is true then it is the players who shouldn't be playing for Liverpool rather than Gerrard.
derryred

Stevie g been best player for Liverpool for the past 8 to 10 years people should remember how many times he's pulled us out of s***, captain fantastic a under estimation.

Best player ever to wear the shirt more like

17 Jun 2013 22:54:46
Liverpool have been encouraged in their pursuit of Ajax's Toby Alderweireld after the defender's father admitted they had failed to agree terms with Bayer Leverkusen.
any update on this eds {Ed002's Note - No more than I have already said.}

Think its juve

18 Jun 2013 11:14:16
No its not juve. eh

Its Bayer Leverkusen

17 Jun 2013 22:51:05
Manager Brendan Rodgers has had enough of the posturing and positioning, and is now ready to deliver an ultimatum that the situation be sorted quickly. Rodgers has already spoken to Suarez, making clear Liverpool's position. They don't want him to leave, but are powerless to prevent him triggering the clause in his contract. He will, though, have to ask for a move, and will also need to sort his future before the club jet off to Asia and Australia in the middle of next month for a pre-season tour. A club insider explained on Monday that there is a growing sense of frustration and anger within Anfield. "Luis will be told - in no uncertain terms - he must put his cards on the table, and do it quickly, " the source explained. "There is no way Brendan Rodgers will be left high and dry with no options if Suarez forces a move, so he wants it to be sorted one way or another before the season begins. "That will mean a time-limit being set on any deal - and a clear message sent to both the player and the club he wants to join, Real, that there will be no budging on the price set out in his contract. Real have yet to even make an enquiry, and Suarez's continuing outbursts strongly suggest they are trying to force the price down by encouraging the player to agitate for a move and make it impossible for him to stay at Anfield. Liverpool are wise to that predictable tactic though, and it will not be allowed to happen.

And that is exactly how it should be, isn't it. Put up or shut up. Wonder how he thinks those fans with tattoos feel about his latest set of outbursts. Seems to me, he should be even more wary of South American press and media than here, at least he knows that they kill him every chance they get here. Wish he engaged his brain before opening his mouth (off and on the pitch).
ND

What have tattoos got to do with anything?

I have to say it, who ever has a tat of a player before they have become a legend if at all are a few sandwhichs short of a picnic ha ha!

Anyone that has been and got a Luis Suarez tattoo, or any of a living footballer, needs their head checking.

17 Jun 2013 22:42:02
Is it just me but where on earth did this Mkhitaryan stuff come from? I watch quite a lot of football and have to admit I've never heard of him, also he's 24 years old so why have I never heard of him and why all of a sudden is he worth 20 odd million pounds? Really hope it's nonsense, we've been burned with expensive flops in the past and the fact that this guy has got to the age of 24 under the radar of every major club in the world worries me immensly, what about everyone else? Am I worried over nothing?
Jud.

I guess Martin Tyler and Alan Smith forgot to mention him whilst you watched super Sunday?

I guess you had heard of the 25 year old Suarez who no "Big" club had on his radar? I suppose you had only heard of him through his goal scoring record in Holland and hand ball in 2010?

Would you rather we signed some players that YOU have heard of? I hear Andy Carroll is available for 15m, Nani of United is available. I imagine you have heard of both of them?

Your just scared of quality to join Liverpool since we had such crappy players the last few years.

You don't watch the ECL then?

Andy K

18 Jun 2013 07:09:58
Well if you haven't heard of him him Jud, he really can't be much of a player at all. Better start panicing.

SiG.

You can't expect every new purchase to be under 20 level, we need experience and this guy has bags of it at Champions League level. Just because you've never heard of him doesn't mean he can't be worth the money. Wait and see what happens first.

18 Jun 2013 11:01:08
i am so sorry, but you are so clueless its shocking.

He was one of their best players in the CL, I doubt you watch much football.
He also was their best player in the league and Shaktar is a factory of world-class players!

Or just want to moan about something that is nothing?
makes me want to cry this rotten attitude

Makes sense and not many have heard on here about Micky.
However, our new scouting network should be trusted and I'd doubt any team in a similar position to ours finance wise, would spend money without being as sure as you can be in football that the money will be well spent.
Carlo

So we shouldn't sign him because Shacktar (spelling) aren't in fifa?
derryred

17 Jun 2013 22:38:02
Can't wait for the fixtures to come out hope we get the mancs opening day and watch our lil gem countino tear them apart oh so excited its like waitin for crimbo JON96

Yeh! Nice one. We also had a little Gem in Suarez. This time next year the " little Gem" you call Courtinio will want out to Spain. They are all mercenaries who don't care about this club : ( (

Redthroughandthrough

No I got a feeling he will be a bit more loyal

17 Jun 2013 22:05:58
good chance xabi alonso will be part of the suarez to madrid deal if it happens

Mkhitaryan ment to be having medical this weak according to reports in russia

17 Jun 2013 21:42:41
Apologies for cut and paste but just found this on the net and wanted to know if anyone had heard of anything or if it's true?

Liverpool opt for Danish youngster over Shakhtar star.

Liverpool look to have made the surprise decision to sign Danish playmaker Christian Eriksen, despite ...............
{Ed002's Note - Eriksen will be moving to Dortmund. There was no real chance of him ever moving to Anfield.}

17 Jun 2013 21:39:26
Have anyone ever wondered if Suarez is not having a go at the media but more a call for Madrid to come and get him.
Reading into what he is saying is that Madrid is not all that keen on him. I have a feeling the club said to him that he must look for a new club because surely they can stop him from talking club business in the press conference.
Then again what do I know
SA RED

17 Jun 2013 21:26:53
I still hope Benteke will be signed, I don't think sturridge and borini are reliable enough to lead the line for the season, too many injuries occur and aspas is more of a wide man, MK is attacking mid so it still doesn't solve what were losing in suarez so for me i'd like to see another striker come through the door

17 Jun 2013 21:13:50
Hi everyone, I know this will never get to its intended recipient, and to be honest its more just for opinion on here, however the past few weeks have made me want to vent so here goes!.
An open letter to Luis Alberto Suárez Díaz,
I don't know the motif behind your actions and statements of the past month, I don't know if anything had been lost in translation, i'm not naive enough to believe that contracts and honour mean anything in football these days, indeed money talks, and I don't pretend to understand the difficulties of being a high profile footballer in the modern day. but as a Liverpool Football Club fan for 30 years I also cannot pretend to be disappointed at your recent actions.
Firstly, I appreciate we all have dreams. I would jump over hot coals to play football for Liverpool Football Club for instance and if it is your dream to play for Real Madrid then so be it. I'm sure it is many people's dream. It isn't the fact that you wish to play for Real Madrid that is the problem. I can understand a player of your quality wanting to play in the Champions League and even as a hardened Liverpool fan I cannot pretend that we will be competing domestically and in Europe over the next 5 years or so. And I can also understand the turmoil that you and your family must have gone through during various incidents during your time at Liverpool, especially the Patrick Evra incident and the recent Branislav Ivanovic incident.
However as much as I feel that I understand all of the above, I cannot understand the way you and your advisors have gone about engineering a transfer.
"Despite my love for Liverpool Football Club and its fans, I feel the time is right to move on in order to fulfil my career ambitions and protect my family from the negative public opinion of me. I am grateful to Liverpool Football club and its fans for their support over the past 2 and a half years and wish them well for thr future". Now I cannot speak for all Liverpool fans but I for one would have accepted a statement like this, even if privately you didn't mean it! However you instead chose to make regular and unnecessary statements about your desire to leave and your disturbance at Liverpools current predicament.
When other teams fans and players and the media criticised your confrontational attitude and style of play, Liverpool fans embraced you and saw it as a desire and a commitment to win football matches for our team. We loved you for it, we sang your name and we supported you. In the dark days of the Evra incident the club, the players and the fans stuck by you. Refusing to hang you out to dry like many others. Respected players and club legends such as Jamie Carragher and your captain Steven Gerrard stood up for you and wore t-shirts of support. Indeed the greatest Liverpool FC icon of all time, Kenny Dalglish, probably cost himself his position as team manager partly down to his dogged defence of you. Rightly or wrongly the club defended you and risked tainting the very name of Liverpool Fc in defence of you. So whilst your recent statements haven't necessarily been totally derogatory towards the club, the frequent nature of them and your desperation to leave the club has left a very sour taste for myself and i'm sure the majority of Liverpool fans. Basically we feel let down and that the faith and support we showed you has not been reciprocated.
This isn't a begging letter to convince you to stay, I believe your recent actions have effectively ended your career as a Liverpool player. this is intended to put into perspective the result of those actions and statements. You (as with others before you) had the opportunity to be remembered as a club legend. Dalglish, Hansen, Callaghan, Gerrard, Carragher, Rush, Fowler. and many many more. You were on the list. a club icon, adored by fans around the world. shattered in several un thought out statements. I hope that wherever you end up, you will be loved and idolised as you were at Anfield, and I hope in years to come you can reflect on your career with fond memories of your time at Liverpool. We will all look back with fond memories of the joy you gave us, all be it tainted with disappointment at how things ended.
You see at Liverpool Football Club you will Never EVER Walk Alone. it's just a pity that you decided it better to run away.
Thanks for the memories,

Excellent. Couldn't have said it better myself.

In a way i'd love to hand this in letter form to suarez. But he is no deserving of the eloquent message. shame. good post mate.
5 gold stars

I hope he sees this. Well said and you've nailed it mate.

Alfie

Very well said

Great post.

Andy K

Cheers guys for the comments! Wished I'd remembered to log in now! Blushing! Haha

Please - get a grip!

He's just a paid player for the - don't be so melodramatic - if he wants to go its his choice- end of.

M

Excelent peice

M, you obviously have no passion for this club if you do not think this is an excellent post. Probably explained how every REAL LFC fan feels about the situation right now! Great post mate

17 Jun 2013 23:21:41
Got bored after the first sentence. He's a footballer and loyalty amongst footballers is almost dead. 26 and he wants to win trophies now, not be apart of a team that will take time and patience.
Albert

There is no big deal if he goes, I only hate the way he blames everyone for his problems except himself. just hand in a transfer request and let any club who can afford him take the mug.

Even cavani and bale who madrid are really interested in are not spouting so much nonsense. he won't be the first world class player to leave us, what is the big deal?

We should do everything we can to keep hold of the arrogant little person! Uglygeordiegenius

17 Jun 2013 20:54:21
Hi EDS,

You've probably answered this already but what do you think of aspas? 12 goals in 35 games doesn't sound like a great return to me, certainly not setting the premier league on fire stats. Also, Mkhitaryan is 20m a lot to pay on someone who doesn't seem keen on a move to the north of england?

Albert {Ed030's Note - Ed052 has profiled him mate you can view this profile at http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/iago-aspas.php. }

Ssssssiiiiggggghhhhhhh. its like this. equate it to getting 12 goals for qpr this season, so many assissts and been involved in 50% of their goals. value is gr8 based on his states. if sturridge gets 12 and he gets 12 and say mhkitaryan gets his customary 20 then we would alltake that! chap hasn't even kicked a ball 4 us yet, how can u moan
5 gold stars

I don't think he was moaning just never seen him play number one number two didn't check out assists or chances created which were 70 I think after reading the play profile bet his view is different would I be right Albert

17 Jun 2013 23:19:05
Not moaning just interested to know what the eds thought of him as before Lfc were interested I'd never heard of him. Don't be so quick to call me a whinger I'm entitled to ask a question about the lad.
Albert

12 goals in 35 games isn't brilliant. Ill accept that argument. However. Look at it like this. We signed Luis Suarez for £20something-m and his record was something like 108/91 (games/goals) and god knows how many assists. Yet in his first full season at Liverpool he only manged 11. Yes he was banned for 8 games but he was banned for 5 games this season also. 4 because he didn't eat before that chelsea match and the other cane against west ham after picking up too many bookings. Aspas on the other hand will cost less than half the amount of Suarez. Does not have the amazingly prolific record that Suarez did. Nor the status. So if it doesn't work its not costly (not that Suarez didn't work out lol) and if it does work and he does get 10-15 goals then he and we will be the envy of the prem league. Except for Swansea. They have Michu : (

YNWA

Thanks

You are a whiner
you question was obviously to whine

17 Jun 2013 20:40:16
Regarding our centre back targets, don't anyone think Stevie Gerrard would make a decent centre half. Which would free up a place in centre midfield for a new signing alongside Lucas. Thoughts please.

Lets play our best player at the back?

17 Jun 2013 21:05:56
Ha ha ha ha ha! Good for a laugh that one.

Albert

I've been posting and saying that very thing about Gerrard for the last 12 months, recently postyed a team with Gerrard in the back 4.

Could see something like that in the future mate, maybe, but if he moves anywhere for now it'd probably be to DM?

Let's assume this post is a joke, I hope so!

18 Jun 2013 11:03:49
oh, my god, people who want to make gerrard a centre back and move agger in defensive midfield. stop posting this clueless nonsense

17 Jun 2013 20:23:44
Hi ED hope all is well.

Just a quick question now RM has said they are not going to pay 40mil plus for Suarez.

Can you tell me which one you think is mostly to happen.

1. RM step up the the plate and play 40-50 mil.

2. Liverpool drop the price and take a player with 25mil.

3. Suarez doesn't end at RM.

I've seen this before with RM Liverpool years ago what do you think ED.

Thanks {Ed002's Note - I have given my opinion on their likely starting point - it is just negotiation.}

RM are desperate to get Bale, but not so for Suarez and we are not desperate to cut any cut price deals.
Suarez is likely to remain at Liverpool.

Totally agree kidmillions!

YNWA JFT96 jns

18 Jun 2013 11:04:40
What about Bayern? and Juventus?
they still hold an interest!

17 Jun 2013 20:01:01
Anyone else concerned about lack of real movement for quality so far? Erickson going, mickey not as cut and dry, only signings to date is kolo, potentially a kid with 1 decent season in Spain. Seriously those players we are lined with ain't great exactly. Concerned we loose luis and get some new Nunez as less cash, this summer is hardly filling me with confidence so far. And really 10million on a keeper? we loose either way here, if mingolet is number 1, Pepes value plummets, if not we have just bought a v expensive sub

No need to worry mate the transfer windows has not evened opened yet :-)

I have a feeling it will be a good one though.

Cheers
Manny

Think you need to chill a bit, have faith in BR, pepe was always going to go, and looks like we are buying a very good goalie, who is 5/6 yrs younger, nowhere near his peak yet, think you will be surprised at our summer signings, and how they will gel, just remember our January window, two new players helped us get lots of points, and if we get Mickey, then, its looking really good.
redforever

The transfer window isn't even officially open and the two players we have agreed to sign are a improvement in Luis goes he will be replaced god some persons on this site

17 Jun 2013 19:19:43
Hallo, my favorite player is Juan Mata and I have readed that his favorite club is Liverpool so if he leaves Chelsea maybe Liverpool could buy him, if Suarez leaves? Because Mourinho wants to sell him and he have made 15 goals 35 assists in 60 matches! And his price is about 37-41 Million £.
What do you think? {Ed002's Note - I think it best not to hold your breath.}

God that's an insane amount of money lol, way too much.

17 Jun 2013 19:12:49
His name is Jonjonjo not Jonjonjonjo

Immature people. smh

18 Jun 2013 11:06:03
Jonjo should just go. he will never be Liverpool quality
NEVER

17 Jun 2013 18:49:00
So any clues on who will wear the heralded number 7 jersey next season? Jonjonjo? Downing? Give it to someone who deserves it Mr Steven Gerrard maybe? Interesting season ahead loving the nature of the speculated transfer targets. we may not win the premiership nor even come top 4 but sexy football will return to anfield me thinks. trust in Brendan

Unfotunately in these days of breast implants, Brazilian waxes and bleached anuses, Champions League football is the sexiest football.

The only sexy football is winning football

Sexy football? Mate I'd rather win 1-0 every game and walk the league than play pretty football and not even reach top 4. We need to get our prioritys right. Results before style, and club before players

Perhaps the next star of Liverpool Football club. Coutinho maybe/hopefully?

Steven Gerrard will always be known for his No. 8 jersey. No. 7 can be handed to another rising Liverpool star (may be Suso, Sterling, Ibe) if Suarez decides to leave.

17 Jun 2013 18:34:20
Hi eds,

I believe Suarez gave an interview last night prior to the Uruguay game saying he still has a contract with Liverpool, and 'the hairs on his neck stand up' when he plays at Anfield. I think a guy really set on leaving might not be making those comments? I think either he is keeping the door open with the fans incase the club doesn't get a suitable offer, or more likley the club has had a fairly firm work with him since his last couple of embarrasing interviews.
To clarify I still think he'll leave and part of me isn't too sad about it, but that did seem a change in tone than in his previous remarks.
What do you reckon eds?

Perhaps his wife has had a word with him? As by all accounts she and their daughter love it here on merseyside.

I wish some Liverpool fans would Stop clutching at straws with this whole Luis Suarez saga, he wants out of our club. fact! Just accept it!

James

Maybe someone from LFC had a word with him, hope they do tell him to hand in a transfer request, he will be eating humble pie if RM don't put up the cash.
redforever

17 Jun 2013 18:26:16
Hi Eds, sorry not a rumour but a question if you would please. What kind of figure would Suarez get in loyalty bonus if he doesn't put a transfer request in? I was was just asking as I wondered if he was to put a request in and that lessens our position and we sell for a lesser price, is it at all offset by what we save in that bonus? I understand your unwillingness to talk figures (I am a regular reader) but a simple answer would suffice.

Thanks

RedJay {Ed001's Note - no idea.}

17 Jun 2013 18:06:53
I see Balazs Dzsudzsak is linked again. Is this an old story or is there some truth in it? Thanks
Redfox. {Ed030's Note - It is his agent talking him up mate,I would not worry yourself about it. }

I wouldn't be worried I'd be excited if he is coming, imagine him aspas and sturridge in a front three, pace, skill and goals with coutinho playing off them, I think we'd be able to unlock almost any defence!

17 Jun 2013 10:21:48
Cash plus morata is the rumour today my question is to ed030 how much is morata valued at? Say 25 plus him? {Ed030's Note - I would say about £7m morata would be worth mate. }

Really good would take 35 plus him so try 40 plus haha in a light I think he could be a super star

17 Jun 2013 17:50:22
Just wandering question for all the eds and fans. If you had the decision to have eriksen or " Mickey" the shaktar player who would you pick?

Both good I'd be happy with either.
Redfox

That's a tough one. seeing as one player wants to move to spain in 2/3 years no matter what and the other is trying to get his big pay day.

In terms of each one fitting into the team, tbh I would rather Mkhitaryan. Not because I think he is better than Eriksen as I think both players are very talented and would improve us for certain. Its the fact that Eriksen would be coming to play where Coutinho has producing his magic over the last few months. I don't want Coutinho playing LWF, he's better as a CAM. Mkhitaryan could be more of a wide forward option can't he?

Mkhitaryan seems more clinical, I think Coutinho can do what Eriksen can do and more to be fair.

Eriksen is gone to dortmund

I think "Mickey" would be better for Liverpool. A goal scoring midfielder just what we need! I think Eriksen is similar to Coutinho aswell so the Armenian offers something different. Just my opinion

The main goal is to "improve" the squad, either would do that for us. The final decision will come down to the finances and the characteristics of the player.

I would take Mickey Ryan as he has an edge to his game, Eriksen can go missing for parts of a match.
redforever {Ed002's Note - You will be pleased to know that there was no chance of Eriksen joining Liverpool then.}

Mickey for sure. Coutinho does the job centrally and imo we need the improvement more in our wide positions.

Thanks Ed002, really hope we get Mickey, as he also seems to be able to play in 2/3 diff positions, BR likes this with his attacking players,
redforever {Ed002's Note - Every chance that the deal will be completed.}

17 Jun 2013 17:13:55
Eds the whole italian team played well last night, are we interested in ALL of them?

Whats the chance we can sign them ALL?

I believe we have a good chance of getting them all

We already have one

The Eds don't like to put a percentage on it but just this once they'd definitely say its a dead cert 100% the entire Italian team will ALL be at Anfield next season

H lol. That last comment made me spill my coffee. Fantastic banter.
Puzzled Red

18 Jun 2013 11:13:26
I wish we signed the whole Spain team as well.
Any chance ed002 of signing them ALL?
How much would they cost? Can we sign the entire Ligue 1?

17 Jun 2013 17:04:40
Dear Suarez we have all had enough of your bull stop crying like a baby and hand in your transfer request and be a man. the fact that your are moaning about the press when you are biting people and that whole emberassing situation with evra makes me sick you brought the bad press to Liverpool by your actions on the pitch now you continue off the pitch. We all enjoyed your football and the level of service you provided to our beloved club can you just show some repect to all the fans and the staff at Liverpool for the loyalty they have shown you.

He's doing everything he can not to hand in a transfer request. He has a 3.5m loyalty bonus in his contract that will get paid to him if we sell him befor his contract is up! If he hands in a transfer request he's doesn't get that. He's being a right looser

Wow and its very easy for you to just let go of 3.5m

'Loyalty' bonus? haha!

The Irony

17 Jun 2013 16:45:49
have Liverpool made an enquiry about luis muriel, or lorenzo insigne? {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

17 Jun 2013 15:49:15
I heard Hull are interested in Coates. Do you think he will go Eds?

I would like to see him on a year loan to Hull to see if he is as good as he looked when we bought him.
We can them either bring him back or sell to Hull?

I would rather see him sold tbh. He does have a lot of potential, but is more suited to the slow pace of Serie A. Personally, I hope fiorentina or udinese come in for him. They have a knack for developing young players.

He's too slow for Serie A. Maybe he should grow his long hair back he was faster then

I'd loan him to one of the big Portugese teams.

Try and do a u-turn in the mersey tunnel in a heavy goods vehicle and you'll probably turn quicker than what that lad does.

To be fair though, he does need a consistent run of games but he'll never get it at Liverpool.

DaveyBootle

I agree we should loan him for the season, if he does well then we bring him back if not then sell.

For those suggesting he is too slow for the Premiership:
Carra, Sami and Henchoz had loads of pace. ?
Give the kid a chance, season loan playing regular to get used to pace and then back with us.

17 Jun 2013 15:31:42
Afternoon eds & reds, does anybody else think that suarez is digging his own grave here? I mean he is talking up RM big time here saying greatest club blah blah blah, but if madrid gets let's say bale & cavani I can't see them getting suarez too. Then he will have some serious apologising to do as I can't see any if the other clubs wanting to be his second third or even fourth choice! The guy just needs to button it play well at the con fed cup then QUIETLY come back and instruct his agent to orchastrate his move to what ever club will take him.

Isnt that exactly what I've just said?

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

No becasue suarez is world class and will have his pick

17 Jun 2013 14:46:25
No offence to all involved on this informative site, but does the notable reduction in the amount of " snippets" of inside info mean that the overhaul of the "acquisition process" instilled by Rodgers after the shambolic summer window past is indeed working very very well.

17 Jun 2013 14:34:48
Just been told that Benteke was at Kirkby Mersey rail with a suitcase and 3 men in suits which I assume would be his representives. And he came from the Birmingham to Kikrby rail. don't SHOOT THE MESSENGER.

KopiteKrissy.

17 Jun 2013 14:43:06
I am still waiting to see the Ed comments.
Ed common. get one of your best. pls.
I am laughing all the way.

Must have done a detour to Manchester then Wigan to arrive at Kirkby?
Should of came by National Express Bus straight to Liverpool town centre or better still the train direct from Birmingham to Lime st.
Don't want Benteke if he's that stupid!

That was a scene to MIB 4 movie

Did they make you forget about what you had really seen?

%100 true I've just picked him up from the train station am a cabby 546 4444 L reg mondeo brown 1 with tinted windows didn't Evan leave a tip

Are yo sure that wasn't Will Smith?
Did they have a shiny, pen-like device with them?

The real AG

Can't remember AG! Haha

I can confirm this. As I am in his suitcase. HELP!
G. Agbonlahor

Just rang that number. Acorn cabs, no brown Mondeos in the rank.

Its true he was at Kirkby today the Falcon have just signed up Benteke for the Ormskirk and District Sunday League. he'll be playing at Windy Arbor as of next season.

Benteke here, i'm in melwood now

17 Jun 2013 14:04:12
I think next season willl be a massive one for Martin Kelly. I have no doubt that going forward he has absolutely every opportunity in cementing a place in the starting line up.

Really rate the lad, could be a assett for us next season at centre back (prefferably). I think a lot of people have forgot about him!

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

Too injury prone

Another Rob Jones

Will just fade away!

We need men of steel not paper

Men like Smith, lloyd, hughes, etc, at CB

Have to agree with last poster, looks a bit too weak and injury prone

17 Jun 2013 14:44:34
and for that we bought the leader Kolo Toure.
I am worried is he aware of the rules in football. or anything changed.
The last time he kicked the ball is long way back.

I hope he stays fit Sam, I could also see it being the best time for him to cement himself in our 11. Personally like him as right back, but if he can sustain fitness and does that job for us there (CB), I'm happy with that as well. I prefer him to Johnson honestly, he's a better defender and also more efficient when he comes forward. Kelly also has a great work rate and doesn't tax our wingers as much with defensive duties.

I hope Kelly has a good season too and gets a chance in CB especially.

And to no name above, Men like. and then you list out boys. Yes Kelly is injury prone but he's a beast if you wanted to back up your point should you not be saying more like men lik Carragher, etc not listing the youth squad

Think he would make an excellent R/B or D/M and whist stevie is still fit can be nurtured into a solid C/M R/M as we are at an advantage when it comes to choice defensively wise, didn't he get a shout as a mid for england U21s and scored an absolute olympiakos.

Sean Lad

Since when have
Tommy Smith
Larry LLoyd
Emlyn Hughes

Become Boys?

To be fair Stevie G had a few injuries when he was younger, hopefully they are behind him now!

17 Jun 2013 13:53:11
Eds are we interested in Dzsudzsak as his agent claims we have lodged an enquiry? Love this site. {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

17 Jun 2013 12:09:23
Ed's with all the morata plus cash deal rumours for suarez going on. was wondering do you rate morata?
Have seen him play a couple of times. looked pretty good!
Just want to know what your views are about the player in general. and not about the deal itself!
Thanks! {Ed052's Note - He plays for Spain U21's, that says it all. I cannot see RM letting him leave}

Depends on how bad they want Suarez which I have a huntch its not as much as he wants them.

17 Jun 2013 14:35:42
3 young strikers I would love at Liverpool
Moratta, Lamela and muriel.
But unfortuantly none will happen.

17 Jun 2013 13:39:21
jouno- I hear Real Madrid want to DOUBLE your wages, what do you say?
LS- no, I am happy with what I am earning now.
Journo- Luis, would you like to play with Ronaldo?
LS- I would prefer to play alongside Stewart Downing.
Journo- How about the climate in Liverpool?
LS- I love the rain and the cold I want to stay here!
Journo- the FA and the british press have said some terrible things about you and made you a scapegoat, what do you say about that?
LS- ha ha! those guy's!

LS no need to ask ne twice where do I sign (for madrid)

Maybe Liverpool have finally sent someone to shadow him while he does his interviews. Someone who can bite harder than luis lol

MIKEY

17 Jun 2013 13:30:29
While loads of fans are having a go at Suarez, remember this, he is playing for a great club yes, but no European football! and a media that twists what he say's to make the fans turn against him,
I understand he wants to leave, and he has gone about it the wrong way, but journo's will ask him leading questions and then turn it against him, it sells papers! i'll be sorry to see him go, which he will, but I won't miss the controversy, we could come out of this better off, so keep your heads up and don't be too hard on him.

It would have been good if Suarez remembered he IS still contracted to a great club.

The real AG

There were some who said when he first signed that he saw LFC only as a stepping stone to Real, nobody can say if that is the case apart from LS. On a personal level I think he is a disgrace if he wants out leave him go he doesn't deserve to wear the jersey anymore. I am wondering what the REAL reason behind that bite was

He'd want to cop on in all fairness. No pun intended but we should have sent him away this summer in a muzzle

17 Jun 2013 14:38:13
If he would never had any incident on or off the pitch. he would never be playing for real madrid.
Downing and charlie adam forced their move to come to us from their club.
all here welcomed them with both hadns.
so as madrid would when suarez goes there

I am pretty sure Downing and Adam didn't 1. Bite people on the pitch, 2. Abuse other players, 3. Bite some more people on the pitch, 4. Showed the finger to fans, 5. Gave interviews to the media day in day out, talking about another club they want to play when contracted to the parent club.

More incoherent, rubbish from Harry.

Why don't you sign off anymore Harry? You scared?

The real AG

17 Jun 2013 18:21:41
No mate. thers some problems.
your above comment stands perfect.
they were pretty good on and off the pitch.

But Liverpool will have a loss of over 15 mill from them.

you wanna add anything to it?

harry

17 Jun 2013 13:19:53
Afternoon Eds anything happening with Dzsudzsak. We wanted a loan in Jan but nothing happened.


Great site by the way. {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

17 Jun 2013 13:08:35
Bal�zs Dzsudzs�k set to sign on 1st July in the region of around £13 million.

No he's not. Its an old story being recycled from January when we wanted him on loan.

17 Jun 2013 12:59:02
Is Suarez acting a bit premature regarding a potential move to Real Madrid?

Sure they have interest in him, but how stong is this interest? With potentially 2 mega bids for Cavani and Bale would that rule out a Move for Suarez?

If so, it would make him look a little stupid with his recent comments. Might be wrong though.

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

I think Sam you may be right in some aspects he is defiantly an option for Real Madrid but its obvious they have other options and i'm sure much depends on Ronaldo and Bale moves as well as other out going players such as Higuain.

I don't think he is intelligent enough to play mind games and try force a move himself a move to Real which makes his comments more alarming in that he really doesn't realise the impact on LFC fans and there feelings towards him if the move doesn't go through!

I'm more angry at his stupidity than I was about Torres going to Chelski.

NS

17 Jun 2013 13:24:11
Im sure it will be Bayern who take him. and if I was him i'd keep away from Real. Though does seem weird he keeps talking about Real when his agent has close relations to Bayern. smokescreen or inside info that Bayern don't want him who knows for sure. But good luck to the lad he's scored some tremendous goals for us. but not every1 is like Stevie G or Giggsie

Alfie

I have thought the same thing myself recently. He'd have a tough couple of months if he ends up having to stay, after a few goals though I imagine most would forget his past.

Nevada

Suarez is saying exactly what madrid are telling him to say! They and psg have tried it and still are with bale! He doesn't want to go which is why spurs are are on the cusp of reporting the clubs, certain club representatives and certain media's! Suarez on the other hand does want out so there isn't much lfc can do! {Ed002's Note - Rubbish.}

Id love to know for sure where he sits on Reals targets. They clearly don't speak as highly of him compared to Bale but could be down to Bales silence on the matter. Roll on next season so we can forget about it (hopefully)

Big Al T,

They don't really have a 'priority list' like we often think. I'm sure other clubs don't either, they just have a number of players in mind for the position of striker and see which players and clubs give them the best deal. Suarez isn't higher or lower priorty than Cavani, it will just be whichever deal suits Real more.

Hope this helps.

Nevada

Suarez is a miles better player than Cavani, who has the potential to turn into a massive flop once he leaves Italy?

The same applies to Bale? I'm not so sure that Bale would be a hit in Spain.
Bale would do well to stay at Spurs till he's a bit older and more experienced.

17 Jun 2013 12:35:34
Hi, Eds. Have we looked at any mexican based players? I think Andres Guardado, played really well last night, any interest?

Ratan. {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

17 Jun 2013 12:24:50
Hi Eds, great site. My fingers are tightly crossed that we have finally got Eriksen instead of Mkhitaryan. Eriksen is younger and cheaper and as good, if not better, and will play for the shirt. I feel that Mkhitaryan's main concern is his wages and Eriksen doesn't come across like that. Do you know of anymore about this?
Thanks Paul. {Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

17 Jun 2013 12:37:46
will play for the shirt?
which shirt?, spurs, BVB, arsenal, UTD.
I think he choosed Shakthar over Liverpool

Bitter pill to swallow but I don't think Mickey wants to come here, he would have commited by now, and it's obvious he is only after money! if he can get a top club then even better, with his agent is still hawking him around other clubs it say's it all, and Erikson is not much better, apart from Aggers influence there is no connection, and no European football, painful! {Ed002's Note - He cannot commit when Liverpool has not made a bid.}

Why is wages as one's main concern so bad? Is that not one of your main concerns? If so, let's not be hypocritical.

El Pi**edolero

Some nonsense getting posted on this conversation sometimes players hold out for as much money as possible I wouldn't blame them either not all about money but you've to get as much as you can plus we haven't made a official bid yet for either players

Mickey looks infinitely a better and more athletic player than Erikson.

17 Jun 2013 12:21:31
have Liverpool had a bid accepted for luis alberto? lots of websites reporting we have {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

17 Jun 2013 12:04:35
There are a few people on here who had better hope and pray that Suarez does indeed move on this Summer.
If, for some reason he didn't, I don't know what you're going to do with yourselves when the matches are on.

We're told not to take what players say literally, don't hang off every word - and why would you, footballer's brains are in their feet (I am interested what they do on the pitch, not what they say off it) - yet in the case of Suarez, the very opposite is true. Snake, rat, coward, runt ; a sample of some of the words used to describe him. Supposedly by Liverpool fans.

I can understand it coming from the Mancs or Chelsea, well I say understand, but they conveniently forget any hypocrisy in their hate. Being lectured to by a Manc or Chav, because both their clubs are moral leaders aren't they?

The players of the year - RVP, he was wearing the Arsenal captain's armband this time last year so does that make him a rat?
Gareth Bale, booked six times for swallow diving.

You only have to look at the spin put on the Mirror's article on Suarez.
You say about the British media, Nevada? The same media that is brought up before the House of Commons for malpractice.
They're judge, jury and executioner, mate.
All whilst getting up to their own tricks behind people's backs.

It's a sad state. I'm not that bothered whether Suarez goes or not actually, it may surprise you to hear. But the whole hypocrisy of his judgement is grating on me. Yes, he's a plonker. But he's still our plonker, at present. And he's never cheated me out of my ticket money up and down the country.
The Juicer

I agree with you on the media, they can be very untrustworthy and can be prone to printing stories for their own benefit.

I never disagreed that Suarez has had unusually high media coverage, other players have had much worse though (think Beckham post 98') and survived without complaining. Also said that Suarez is not affected by the media, or he would stop being part of it. He puts himself out there all the time with his actions and statements. I didn't judge him based on this alone though, I've never really been a fan of his and posted last year that he was not as important as we think. I don't think I can be accused of being a hypocrite as my opinion of him has stayed largely the same.

If he stays, like any other I will enjoy when he scores and be disappointed when he does something bad, no different to last year.

Nevada

17 Jun 2013 12:34:55
Excellent post. top draw.
When players leave Liverpool. due of any reason. the guy becomes a villain.
and the Irony is some of the top player who left us are playing for better squad than us.
Torres, masch, alonso.
Some here cannot accept reality, always in the fantasy world.
Most knew here that we don't have enough money to spend. And if we failt to bring some good quality players, No CL next season.
Did alonso never opened his mouth when he wanted to push a move to real madrid?
I can rememember a Banner in the pre seaosn. pleading him to stay.
Ohh yes. he never faced a media, BUt if you look inside. he wanted to go, that was simple and plain.

If you check you could find torres never ever utterd a word after joining Chelsea, Its been 3 years,
Its shame poeple using such language against him.

Actually we are jelous, let's face it. we aren't a top team, we don't have CL, we aren't going to compete for title near future.

You miss my point Nevada mate. It's when the fans are influenced by the media, and turn on one of their own. Liverpool fans should stick together. As I said, the guy can be a right plonker. But so what?
All the teams have them, to greater or lesser degrees.
We don't need to be giving out all the time, calling him this and that.
Leave that to the Mancs and Chavs. You can trust that they won't let you down on that score.
The Juicer

I agree whole heartedly that Suarez is our Plonker and I wish he remains our plonker after watching his free kick against Spain. I have no faith in the names currently being branded about. If our plonker leaves then sadly I will thank him for the moment of pleasure he has provided and wish him best for the future. It is one thing being hounded by Manc biased media and FA but it is disgusting to be lynched by past supporters. Grow up and get of his back.

Indeed I did mis your point Juicer, my apologies. We should stick together I agree with that. shame people don't think the same of every player and just select the ones they like.

It is an excellent point.

Nevada

The one's that give 100% and are brilliant at least.
The Juicer

The Juicer, the fans may be influenced by the media for sure, but Suarez has been shouting his mouth of at every given opportunity. He could have said nothing and waited until he departs to Madrid before coming up with a reason.

No matter what Suarez says, it will be blown out of proportion by the media. Suarez is well aware of that, so why did he go and talk about his future when he is contracted to LFC?
before you say plenty of others do it, I am well aware of that.

The real AG

17 Jun 2013 13:56:13
Liverpool have supported all of their players, Not suarez alone. Or else players like downing would have been back in champiosnhip.
Luis suarez is an excellent player, sheer class and one of the best players in the world.
If you count the no of world class players in EPL, we have 2-3 maximum.
Look at the other percpective.
How many fo the fans outside Uk know truly about the club, or the academy or how many get to watch the U21. or the reserve game.
very few.
Liverpool across the world has been dominated by some names, especially gerrard. torres, alonso,
We club also need brand names to show, which we lack.
If everyone camn play tiki taka and bring the best of their academy, Man city would have never bought these many players.
Apart from suarez, gerrard, reina, agger. most of the names are childhood names, how many shirts are going to sell of allen, hendo downing ir sterling?.

Whom does the biggest sponosrs choos. suarez or Borini?

Ronaldo has been a mess at spain especially to the away fans, he is never a diplomatic person.
yet Perez would never sell him. coz. he makes the club moving. he gets the deal. which makes real madrid the world best.
Look at their revenue, people pay to watch ronaldo, not arbeloa.

Yes Luis suarez is outspoken, But let's face it. what options does we have if we don't sell him?. we need money to improve 3-4 positions.
starting from the GK department.

Its pathetic to label him coward, disgrace, rat etc. who had the second highest shirt sales last seoasn, which comes mainly from outside UK.

His all 30 goals has been sensational,. norwich, stoke city, chelsea, Man city, udinese, zenith,
outside left foot, right foot, freekick, header.
the lad can burry from anything.

Liverpool do need big names, for big sponsors, big revenues, and bigger fanbase.

2 year spell at Liverpool made RA to pump 50 mill on fernando torres who he thinks better than drogba.
torres brings the charm, charisma, and the those magical moments.

chelsea have pretty good academy and have almost 30 players on loan. yet they bring hazard, mata, schrulle.
This generation kids needs superstars. they wanna idolise them, and then the fan base grows.

He's a plonker, nice one haha!

As the Eds have said we should have sent someone with him to keep him quiet this summer.

He's suiting himself but he's got years left on his contract so I think we should put the foot down and force him to suit the club - min £50m or else he's going nowhere like it or lump it

And his "excuses" about the media the media are no more than excuses. He's deserved the bulk of the rubbish written about him. Fantastic player but he comes across as mentally challenged

My opinion on Suarez was influenced by Suarez and his actions, not the media who I agree 100% are a bunch of persons that make Suarez look like an angel.
The only paper I read is the independent that avoids most of the garbage the other papers spout.
Most of the others shouldn't be aloud to be called news papers because there is little actual news in them, just hate, opinions from some dodgy people, lies, lies and more lies.
If Suarez is somehow still at Liverpool next season I will have the exact same view on him as I have always done.
Just because he plays for Liverpool does not mean I have to like him, I like what he does on the pitch when he's on his feet and he keeps his mouth shut but I like that of a lot of players from many teams. He let's himself down, the club, the clubs legends, and most of all the fans. He should be waking up every morning next to his gorgeous wife and kids in his mansion and be extremely grateful of what his talent has brought him, he should think about some of the kids he played with back in his hometown and wonder how many have been so fortunate or how many are still alive.
If he wants to play for Madrid then fine but there is a way to do it in a dignified fashion, he has chosen to do the opposite and for that our famous anthem does not apply to him.

MIKEY

Harry, your last reply is laughable.

You cannot compare LFC's working to another.

A lot of the fans outside UK watch the kiddies play and buy a lot of the LFC merchandise.

All of the sponsors would, I am pretty sure, favor a Borini over a trouble maker like Suarez (ask Standard Chartered).

There are only so many ways a player can score a goal, you have mentioned them, thanks for that.

I have replied to all I understand from your rather cloudy post, which is all over the place.

There is really no point trying to attempt a reasonable argument with you when you clearly fail to see the points put forward by others. You only see what you want to see.

The real AG

17 Jun 2013 18:21:12
I can't quite figure out why, but I can't quite get pissed off with Suarez for his behaviour.

I don't agree with his carry for one nanosecond, obviously. The correct way to do what he's doing is to submit a transfer request to the club, but then again, really big name players have a habit of not doing that because they want their "loyalty" bonus. But at the same time, if his goal is to force a move whilst trying not to upset the fans too much, then he should have said "I want to play in the Champions League". We'd have been annoyed, but we'd have respected his honesty, at least. Rather feeling like he thinks we're people who actually believe what he's saying.

But despite that, I just can't quite summon the energy to decry that he is a plonker from on high and take an active dislike to the guy.

As for how the fans will react to him if he's still a Liverpool player? Well.

1) I don't see him staying so the question is probably moot. Yes he's making his bed with Real Madrid, who might sign Cavani instead, but Cavani is only one player and the Eds have said there are five clubs seriously interested in him. They can't all sign Cavani (or Bale) instead of Suarez. I think after his behaviour, he won't want to come back to the club, and will 'settle' for a move to one of the other four if he can't sign for Real.

2) If he does stay, and plays well (and I think for his many faults, he's incapable of not trying on a football pitch, so he will play well), the majority fans, whilst we may not forgive, we might forget. His goals will be celebrated, and he'll either stay at the end of next season or not. If, hypothetically speaking, he played for us next season, and we got into the CL, and miraculously the press intrusions weren't upsetting him anymore, he stayed, and we ultimately won the league with him in our team, would we think about this summer? No of course not, we'd think about the goals & assists he got when we won the league.

Likewise, if Owen had come back and done well for us, his perceived decision to put his England career over his stated desire to play for us again wouldn't have mattered anymore. Same deal with Torres.

17 Jun 2013 11:43:43
maybe its just me with the red tinted glasses on but if we get the players tht we are being linked with which seems likely then we are going to have a pretty decent squad for next season!

Definately wearing red tinted specs my friend!

Much love

17 Jun 2013 11:31:09
Not a rumour eds just news from the club announciing the death of former player Geoff Strong who passed away this morning, former red under shanks. RIP

17 Jun 2013 11:48:38
Proud to say I watched Geoff Strong play. Great servant to our club. RIP and thank you.

17 Jun 2013 11:11:55
Dont know much about Alvaro Morata, anyone got any info on what type of player he is etc.

Man I can only hope this deal happens and this kid comes to LFC. The future looks so bright if LFC pushes this as a part of the Suarez deal. Thanks Luis

Ive actually spoken to my mate who watches La Liga and he says and ill stress its only his opinion that Morata has the potential to be a similar signing to Torres when he first came to LFC.

If that's even slightly true we need to get this guy as part of the deal for Suarez.

Just can't see it happening!

17 Jun 2013 10:55:32
We could have spent up to £50m this week if we agree deals with miktaryn, alberto, mignoletand aspas. Which is a lot higher than the £20m being quoted as are budget plus sales. If you suspect sales for carrol, reina, suarez and coates then £15 + 10 + 50ish + 8 + budget 20 =£103 leaving £53m for maybe eriksen a CB and a striker. Not bad business. Fingers Crossed.

Ynwa

17 Jun 2013 10:24:35
Hi Ed a web site has rumored Liverpool Look Set to Complete Surprise Deal to Sign £15m Ajax Playmaker Christian Eriksen any truth in this? Also are we due to sign Henrikh Mkhitaryan? Apparently Real Madrid will offer Real's Alvaro Morata in Suarez deal player plus cash deal of 40mill? any truth? {Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

17 Jun 2013 09:58:56
Surely with Suarez leaving we will have enough funds to go for eriksen and mkhityryan as both are versatile players? Thanks!

17 Jun 2013 10:13:02
I am sure. the Rule is still 11 players per side a game.
1 GK
4 at the back
2 Midfielders. Lucas and Gerrard
3 atatckers. Micky, Countinho and Errikson.
Sturridge upfront.

20 mill hendo warming the bench. 18 mill allen warming the bench,

and common Erikkson isn't a RW? so does countinho a LW?.

I wouldn't go for erikson out of principle! First choice, spurs. not interested! Second choice, united. not interested! Third choice, man city. not interested! Fourth choice, arsenal interested but player isn't (spurs thing?)! So as were the last on the shelf and a signing of desperation for him I say NO!

17 Jun 2013 09:47:06
have we sgned luis alberto

todays mirror says we have reached an agreement with sevilla for him
6 million

? {Ed002's Note - Search function please.}

17 Jun 2013 09:10:09
Does any of the ED's know if Alvaro Morata would be open to a move to Anfeild, if we bid or he is included in suarze deal. {Ed002's Note - No idea.}

He said if the continue to sign strikers he will look at options and if he was to move it would be abroad I would certainly take a chance but how much is he valued say 50 for suarez or 30 plus him?

17 Jun 2013 08:42:37
Recent reports linking us with Alvaro Morata of Real; Madrid as part of the potential Suarez deal.
Eds, have you any info on this rumour or the player?

Husni

£35m and Alvaro Morata would do it.

17 Jun 2013 08:29:16
Why We Shouldn't Accept Luis Suarez's Excuses
-------------------------------------------------

Good morning everyone, decided to do an opinion based post this morning as opposed to the STAT ATTACK ones which I usually do. The topic is Suarez, more specifically his reasoning behind leaving, and why it's faulty.

Excuse No. 1 - Who wouldn't want to Go to Madrid/Barca?

Not everyone loves these two teams, however I will concede that foreign players, particularly spanish speaking ones, do. We shouldn't accept this excuse just on the basis that Luis has lied to us many times. Think on this, if we were to sign Eriksen and in 2 years time he leaves for Barca or madrid I will not be mad or disappointed with him, why? He made it clear on many occasions that he doesn't care who is next club is because they are a 2 year stepping stone to madrid or barca. His honesty makes it easier to accept that he will leave, and makes his intentions clear. He might not be popular for saying but that doesn't matter. Luis on the other hand spouted the usual lies about respecting the history of this club, wanting to revered like Rush and Fowler, Hoping to be a big part of the history. OF course we are going to be upset then we he wants to leave after 2 years because his earlier statements clearly weren't true. Who doesn't hate being lied to?

Excuse No. 2 - He Needs Champions League Football

World class players want to be in the champions league. There is no denying that, even bad players want to be in the champions league. Suarez has very recently re-iterated this importance by saying a lack of it "disturbs" him. If this was so why join a team in the process of rebuilding the club top to bottom who had not played champions league football for 2 years? I can tell you why, the one other team interested was put off by his sketchy disciplinary record. He had done his best to force a move from Ajax and had been left with one option. us. Ajax would've been in the champions league every year, if he truly cared about that he would've stayed there instead of coming to a rebuilding team without even a promise of champions league.

Excuse no. 3 - The Media

I find this excuse the most unbelievable out of all of them. I'm not even sure he could possibly believe this. Why? After the 2010 world cup, the entire worlds media criticised him and called him a cheat. Not just a couple of nationals and a handful of journalists (like his troubles here) the entire worlds media. Did it bother him? No. He even said it didn't bother him. So why now after a bit of criticism from just the media of one country? Take into account that literally every single second of his 'media bullying' is his own doing and it makes it more silly. If he truly didn't like it, he would stop doing the things that he does. We would have to accept one of two things here; either he doesn't care about the media and that's why he keeps doing what he does, or, he is one of the dumbest people to ever strap on boots and that's why he keeps doing what he does. As a further to this excuse, let's see how Luis does when his own fans and coach turn on him at Real, which happens very very often (even happened to Ronaldo last year). He might realise just how good he had it here then.

The REASON we should Accept
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Luis Suarez simply doesn't want to play for Liverpool anymore, he has performed admirably at times and been an asset to the team at times but there is the chance that he never really wanted to play for Liverpool. If he had other options that January would he have still picked us? Like I said earlier, honesty goes a long way for me. If Luis was brave enough to just say 'I don't want to play for Liverpool and that's why I wish to leave' I would accept that. I already accepted this, because while he hasn't said the words, this is the reason why he is leaving. Sadly Luis doesn't seem to have much respect for our club, it's fans or even his team mates, so we'll never get truth just more excuses. I doubt we will get an apology either, even though we deserve one. We have stuck up for him, Kenny stuck up for him (which contributed to him losing his job) and his teammates did as well. All the time he continued to laugh in our faces and make us look silly. But we will get no apology for this; just ask Groningen and Ajax.

Thanks for reading, comments appreciated as always

Nevada

I think there's a difference between the worlds media printing negative stories and the person UK paparazzi following his family and hiding in bushes. Otherwise, a great read mate.

cozinoz

Good read Nevada.

I think its best we don't take all that Suarez says seriously. One thing that is clear is that, Suarez plays for himself and NO ONE ELSE, whether its his club, fellow pros or the fans.

The real AG

Nevada, Suarez is in a no win situation with regards to Liverpool fans. They are slagging him off now, If he were to come straight out and say he didn't want play for Liverpool anymore, just imagine the vitriol that would be spewed in his direction then.

17 Jun 2013 09:47:00
Top Post, Finally this makes sense. execpt one point.
He wants to play for us. and he loves Liverpool FC.
But there are times when you think about your family, your daughter in school, getting bullied. your wife at shopping.
Thats hard to take it mate.
I Myself decided to quit posting atleast 10 times in this page, coz, I was ripped bottom and up.
But that doesn't mean I don't love this page or my club.
Its hard when someone crtiticise you everyday.

yes he did a mistake. and so he is being punished. what esle you exepct him to do?.

stand in the public every mng with a tag on his forhead. common.

Gareth Bale has been awarded the highest yellow card fpr the season for diving. How many teams, or media have criticized him?.
are there any posters outside of bale diving?

Luis suarez is outspoken. but he is simply an outstanding footballer.

Go and watch the FA cup match Liverpool vs Man UTD. and see the celebration of suarez when Kuyt scores the winner?

and still if you think he doesn't love our club. Nothing more to say.

and another warning, If we fail to acheive CL next seaosn. you honestly think countinho head wouldn't be turned off if barca, or real or bayern comes calling?.

If we were in CL this year, he would have been with us for sure.

He obviously doesn't love or want to play for lfc

Great read, great post Nevada

I made no mention of his love for the club. I mentioned his respect for the club. If you truly think that a player can flirt with other clubs, lie to his managers, owners, team mates and fans and still respect us then that seems like an odd view of respect to me.

Nevada

Brsibane,

If the outcome was still the same (in this case him leaving) would you prefer being told the truth or a lie?

Not everyone prefers truth, there's value in lies at time. I just prefer the truth.

Nevada

Nevada, personally I prefer the truth myself, my point was that if he came out and said I don't want play at LFC anymore the vitriol and hate towards him would be even worse than what it is now. He is really in a no win situation whatever he does.

Brisbane,

I suppose you're right there, he is in no win scenario. It could have been avoided though had he conducted himself a bit more privately, we expect the club to conduct its business in house why should we expect any less of its employees?

Nevada

17 Jun 2013 08:11:03
Ed Great mng. and keep the great work.

This is just to Neveda.
Man you bring the stats from every corner. I saw your previous stats about Asaps and Suarez and your out come. Asaps have a better scoring than suarez.

Did you watch the game yesterday mate.

Now bring the stats on a striker who scores 10 or more free kicks?.

That free kick could only be from a world class striker.

Ed you argued that suarez is a briiliant player not a world class player. what takes it to be a world class player. If so only there are 2 world class player messi and Ronaldo.

uruguay was never in the match untill that moment and that freekick.

roll on next seaosn. the only vetran Gerrard again for freekicks. Luis suarez might miss 100 chances. but we will miss atleast 10 goals from freekicks.

What a strike that was. absolute beauty.

"Uruguay were never in the match till that moment"

He scored in the 88th minute Harry. They were never in the match end of story. Suarez needs to be more clinical in order to be world class, as simple as that. Van Persie is world class, Thierry Henry was world class. These players were/are world class because they can create as many as Suarez can but also can finish more, plus they are unselfish.

Oh and to top it off, they aren't jerks like Suarez is. What does he have to do for you to realise he really doesn't give a toss about Liverpool or the fans?

KiwiRed

17 Jun 2013 09:31:20
The worst Irony is everytime we believe we are better without him or we can easily replace him. he comes with something extra.
Probably he and bale was the only player whom cannot be written off untill the very last kick of the match.
I would personally want Soldado and Mikky to replace him. 20 mill each would do the business. flair, creativity and goals.
Daniel sturridge is a pretty good striker but not world class which is a must in a top 4 side.
The alst time Liverpool was in top 4. we had torres, alonso and gerrard at their very best.

Look at the teams above, city, chelse and UTD. they have world class players.

We atleast need 1 for sure. or else we will be just like spurs almost there.

Ed any chance we will go for soldado?
I think BR believes Sturridge would take all the burdens of the goal scoring and match winning seeing us ease past against an awful QPR, Fulham and worst Newcastle.

but it was evident against Everton, we were litreally screwed at anfielld.

Are you really that daft?

"Suarez may miss 100 chances but will score 10 free-kicks"

So you want to keep a player because he can take free-kicks?

This is of course ignoring the fact that SUAREZ WANTS TO LEAVE.

The real AG

17 Jun 2013 09:56:37
The Real AG.
Is that because your head is turned on by the 40 mill we are going to get for him?
out of the 100 chances he misses 85 would be created by himself.
Mate, 6 months back he was a legend here for everyone.
and when he nsaid he wants to move regardless of the Incident. the man became a traitor, inspite of handing you a profit of 25 mill for sure.
You are impossible.
If you could pick one player whi deserves the pay cheaque for every game last season. that would be luis suarez.

So we should keep a player who wants to leave and is nothing but trouble because he scores a free-kick in a meaningless tournament when his team has already effectively lost the game?

No thanks.

17 Jun 2013 10:20:23
To the last poster.

Meaningless tournament?. My God. so which one is the real tournament?. Since uruguay cannot participate in Euro, that leaves only World Cup,
Or an away game at fulham, and newcastle?

You are Genius.

I ll tell you what's your problem. You don't like him, because he wants to go, You don't like torres, because he too wanted to go,
You like Alosno, coz, you beleive he was pushed out.

I see soldado going to spurs

17 Jun 2013 10:25:51
Kiwired.

RVP world class. Ask the Ed or any Arsenal fans how was he in his first 4 season with the Gunners?

10
11
13
9
20
10
22

Thats his goals from 2004 to 2012 with Arsenal. look at the first 4 seasons.

And how many games did he play there though Harry? He had less goals as he was injured most of the time.

His first real injury free season was his last one for Arsenal, another injury free season this season and he is golden boot.

KiwiRed

Please don't mis quote me whoever the original poster is. When I print stats I go to a lot of work to make them accurate and try and present them objectively.

I said that Aspas has a (marginally) better shots to goals ratio, not goals to games.

I'd appreciate you use the correct things if you quote me or use the stats that I post.

Nevada

You know how many Free kicks suarez scored in prem last year? 1. Not a massive loss there is it.

Nevada

You're also wrong about peoples impression of Suarez. Not everyone has been a staunch supporter of his, if your check my posts from about a year ago you'll find I was critical even back then (and not about the race thing either) ED001 has also expressed his dissatisfaction with Suarez on pitch performance long before he asked to leave.

You're just assuming that some of us are bitter when the truth is not everyone celebrated Suarez the way others did.

Nevada

Harry Scousser, I am impossible?

You are the one who has a lump in your pants for Suarez.

You have posted more posts about Suarez, your hate of Allen and Borini and your digs at BR and FSG than supportive, or arguments worth discussing.

I wonder, are you really a supporter of LFC or just a moaner who just supports certain players.

The real AG

17 Jun 2013 07:42:23
Hi Eds,
Probably just me - but I find the Reply and Alternative Reply buttons confusing.
The line across the page suggests that the following buttons relate to the following Post.
Should this line be under the buttons? To combine the previous Post with the following Buttons? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.}

Not just you - I find it confusing too to work out which button to press for which reply. If it said "reply to above post" for instance, it would be more helpful. {Ed002's Note - Seems like you figured it out then as you replied to this post.}

17 Jun 2013 07:25:02
With BR clearly looking at CAM's (MK and/or possibly Eriksen) I think its clear he wants Coutinho to play as a LAM or LW with the ability to swap into the center during the buildup play. With this in mind the RW or RAM really needs to be a goal threat more than a traditional winger so they can play off Sturridge. If (for whatever reason) Suarez stays he can certainly fill that role but in the likely chance that he leaves then who would everyone like to replace him in the First 11?

I certainly don't think Aspas is up for being the guy (albeit a good squad addition IMO) and Downing won't be starting for a top 4 team. I would love to see Lamela and I know Ed030 agrees with me (from his article). One of the other Eds has said his ideal would be Sanchez.

Who do the rest of the fans want for the RAM/RW position next year?

Borini and Sturridge can swap that role throughout the game. Suso, Luis Alberto (if signed), Downing and Aspas. Don't forget Sterling and Ibe although favour left if you're looking for someone on the right side to cut in.

Carlo

Carlo, No offense but those players didn't get us anywhere near the top 4 last season and won't improve enough to get us there this year without Suarez. If Suarez is sold and a new dynamic attacker isn't purchased I fear a very long and disappointing season coming on. We didn't play any quality teams at the end of the year without Suarez so those results won't hold up against the better sides.

Just my opinion. Just because players can play there doesn't mean we should be content with them when improvement is possible.

You realise that Suarez didn't get us near top 4 either last year? That same criticism can be applied to every player in the team.

Nevada

Ibrahim Affelay for me.
DT

17 Jun 2013 06:16:44
tv saying we've stired up intrest again for Christian Atsu. any news your end edds {Ed002's Note - No.}

17 Jun 2013 05:58:04
A reasonable source tells me that we have opted for Erikson because, he is younger and cheaper and maybe Suarez will like it if we bring him in.

Laughable.

I am sure Suarez would be much happier if we bring his mom to UK.

The real AG

It's a bit disconcerting to read that Suarez dictates transfer policy.

or perhaps your source may be spinning you a yarn.

Nevada

17 Jun 2013 04:14:57
Hi eds
Is reina leaving?
pragyan {Ed002's Note - Done to death - RTP.}

17 Jun 2013 02:35:41
Anyone agree that if we are to lose Suarez we are best dealing with Barca.

Sell them Reina (funded by sale of Villa to Spurs) and swap Suarez for Sanchez & Alcantara. The latter to be Gerrards long-term replacement whilst getting plenty of games this season to get used to Prem?

Kidder

Barca would have to want suarez first.

17 Jun 2013 01:46:35
Is it possible Liverpool could go for Eriksen and Mkhitryan? I know they play the same position but Mkhitryan could certainly play to the right.

I only say this because I've always felt BR wanted to add a starting XI attacker before the Suarez mess and then with Suarez leaving he'd want to replace him.

Like I said I know both are known as CAM but I thik Henrik could easily shift to the wing. I mean he is a goal scorer and in BRs system the CAM often has to drop deep to form a midfield triangle to add strength to the midfield. BR may want Mkhitryan to play in a wide forward position so he can play more offensively to take more advantage of his goal scoring.

Again, i'm not saying this is the case but is it impossible? Like I said, I've always felt that BR wanted to add a premium starter for our attacking foursome, if Suarez goes and we only bring in Eriksen or Mkhitryan then its hard to think we've actually improved in that area. However a front 4 of:

ST-Sturridge
LW-Coutinho
AM-Eriksen
RW-Mkhitryan

would be pretty darn good.

17 Jun 2013 09:37:42
the three players you mentioned plays in the CAM role, which they are best.
Countinho would get bullied by the full backs strength and he would be wasted like Mata.
Errikson on the right side?. common mate. he is a good player but if you are playing him in the worng position he would be uselsess.
These three players have one thing in common.
dribbling, and passing movment.
But RW and LW should have Pace at its best.
walcott, lenon, nani, valencia.

Suerly then we should sell hendo, where is he going to get a chance ahead of all these?

17 Jun 2013 10:32:28
Where would Aspas and Alberto play then?

Coutinho get bullied are you for real stupid post mate he has played on the left for us enough to no if won't be bullied plus he is lightening quick

17 Jun 2013 01:30:40
Hi Ed's. Thanks for your hard work and patience.
What are the chances that a reasonable offer won't come in for Suarez and he stays put? You could understand clubs being put off by his on field antics as well as his inability to keep his mouth shut. Shame, amazing player.
Burkey

17 Jun 2013 00:52:49
Poor game by Suarez, but the whole team were poor. Excellent free kick for his goal. On his best behaviour and friendly with the Spansh players. Clearly making an effort to make way for a possible move. Will miss the player but not the man.

17 Jun 2013 00:46:43
Make that 55m for Suarez ;)
ROI.

17 Jun 2013 00:12:10
Luis suarez is a total coward/snake. why didn't he not have the guts to say he wanted to leave when he was in england instead of waiting until he was halfway around the world. To add insult to injury he has moaned about 4 or 5 times saying the press don't like him and he is being treated unfairly. is he mental or what. He bit someone, racially abused someone, dives, stamps and crys like a child every game. The man is a total disgrace. In the words of karl pilkington''get rid of him''.

How can he be a snake? would u like him to call you and say that he's leavin, before he's makin it public? is it better to say nothin like Torres then hand in a tranf. request the last day? he's given us headsup that he want to play in a team that competes for trophys which we can't give him atm. to bad he's a worldclass player.

Karl Plilkington, the well known football expert and scout!
Craig

It seem's like its all the same interview to me, correct me if i'm wrong but everytime i've seen an article, its the exact same thing with jus a new sentence or something added to it, its bein spoon fed and twisted from what a lot of people are sayin, but never believe it until it happens.

So if he stays you won't support him then - although I suppose why on earth would Liverpool want a true world class player in their side. Get real, ALL footballers are cheats, without exception, so let us try and keep a true asset. Talk to him Brendan and try to make him stay.

Great footballer though

It's not the same interview, he is repeating the same thing, over and over again, while at times, trying to correct the lies he made up.

The real AG

16 Jun 2013 23:47:59
No offense eds but half the posts which are actually allowed on here are a joke and clearly just used to try and rattle actual supporters. Banter is nice but when it turns into a never ending joke don't you think it's gone a little far? It's a shame it's happening because this is usually a really nice site to come to talk about our club. {Ed002's Note - We don't write the posts man.}

16 Jun 2013 23:18:50
Wow how good are Spain

Neil

16 Jun 2013 23:14:34
Maybe cruel but thumbs up if you want Suarez to bite a Spanish player

Thumbs up?

Nah, he will need to recharge it for next season at Madrid.

That Pedro might well be a bit tasty for him though :P

The real AG