Liverpool Banter Archive July 17 2013

 

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17 Jul 2013 23:02:15
Liverpool have been linked with a move to sign Real Madrid youngster Alvaro Morata by Spanish source Punto Pelota.


Anfield side could be handed chance to bring in Bernabeu starlet on loan deal.

The ever reliable Sport Witness point out that Real Madrid's fanbase wouldn't be happy to see a player of Morata's undoubted potential leave on a permanent deal {Ed002's Note - RM expect that Liverpool will ask for Alvaro Morata as part of any transaction for Suarez. Sevilla are keen on him as are Atletico. He seems keen to bide his time where he is right now.}

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The price seems very low to me for somebody so highly rated 6m?

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LFC_ForLife - RMs valuation of LS also seems very low. They clearly want Higuain fee to cover fee for Suarez. Morata worth 8m and LS about 38m so expect 30m and a player if Madrid ever bid.

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I would take 30 mil and morata. 30 mil still a lot of money and morata is a up and coming player with a big future and can't see him getting the chances at real with suarez being a target.

Think morata would fit in the with clever passing of coutinho, alberto, gerrard etc.

Let's hope it happens

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17 Jul 2013 22:42:44
arsenals cazorla had apparently agreed personal terms with A.Madrid. good news for us!

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17 Jul 2013 22:41:14
Any idea why conor coady hasn't gone on the ore season tour?

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He has time off because of the under 20 world cup

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18 Jul 2013 01:18:31
Was on England duty so probably been given the extra time off

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I want to know why Sama wasn't included in the first team this pre season?

he is very good, has all the right tools and attributes just needs more time around the first team and a loan move out could also be very positive for him.

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18 Jul 2013 11:06:33
Flanagan was also on England duty and he has travelled, so that couldn't be it?

An Dun Red

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Exactly why I asked, flanno was there too. With us seemingly not interested in any defensive midfield cover for lucas I had thought coady would have been a shoe in to play in pre season. Strange one. Could be injured I suppose.

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17 Jul 2013 22:39:46
Have I really just read pages of posts slagging of Lucas? Not posted for a while but this has caused me to throw my iPad in the paddling pool( lucky it had no water in) as a poster In his 40's in many ways he reminds me of Ronnie W. you don't miss him till you miss him so to speak. Quite apart from that has the Suarez affair not demonstrated the priceless value of some one who as much as any modern footballer can puts team and club above self?

Chris

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Frankly, as I read those foolish posts slating Lucas all I could think was this is a chance for the Eds to collect IP addresses and block trolls. Because those slating Lucas as average simply have to be either trolls or fools.

SpudRed

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Totally agree
Although in his 1st season I did think lucas was a waste of space however he grew and adapted to the CDM role to become one of the top 5 in the EPL, his positioning, ball control and now aggressive tackling make him quality
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MikeyD

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18 Jul 2013 00:30:22
its laughable what some children put on here, Lucas is an intelligent player, breaks up attacks and links play!hes not going to hit 40 yard passes or score goals but he gives others the oppurtunity to go play!honestly think some people that come on here have never played football at any level or even really looked at it!they play fifa and think its a true reflection of football, they're the same people who give out about missing out on players we never had interest or a chance to sign! persons

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Oh really feehad? Is he the same player as Makelele? Is he the same player as Mascherano? Is he the same player as Gilberto Silva? He is average get over it! Just because he loves the club and tries his best for the club doesn't make him a superstar.
We simply have Lucas because we can't attract anyone better.

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It was clearly split he was also well defended in these posts, including by me, so no big deal

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Madness. Surely these are trolling vegetables slating Lucas. Because the idea that we have actual LFC fans that are this uneducated about football is frightening.

SpudRed

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18 Jul 2013 10:25:30
hes not Messi either!i didn't compare him to any of those players, I think your average and we can't be friends anymore,

good day!

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17 Jul 2013 22:29:27
Hi Ed, I appreciate it's silly season and there is an every growing list of players mentioned on this and other transfer rumour sites by In the Know bull-rubbishters and persons. I have, what I hope is, a sensible question. Do you think we've finished adding to the squad in this window? I just get the feeling that BR wanted to have things concluded as soon as possible and, whilst I accept there are several weeks left to do business, the squad looks pretty well balanced now. It looks likely that some players will leave (Pacheco, Spearing etc) but I just wanted to hear your thoughts on if you think we're done, or not.or will it be replacing like for like positions by other sales (such as a "main" striker if Suarez leaves, another CB or Agger, Skrtel or Coates leave, etc)? I'd personally like to see Sturiddge given the role, he's got a great scoring record already in his LFC career and appeared to thrive when Suarez was out for the last few games of last season. Cheers Ed. I think we'd all like your views

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Brendan Rodgers recently said we are looking to add to the starting 11 from this point forward .

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I think it is as simple as there are different types of transfers, relatively simple (those that have happened for example) through those involving chains of events. So someone big moves (maybe Cavani) so funds are available so this causes teams to compete and fees go up. and then time begins to run short and some clubs will panic and be forced to sell some on the cheap. All the normal transfer madness except, this year is going to be a crazy. The crazy hasn't even begun yet. For which my heart goes out to the Eds.Good luck all. It is going to be a hell of a ride.

Andy K

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17 Jul 2013 21:54:28
Jayus wats with all the downing/lucas hating on this page least they give 100percent on the pitch I remember lots of players over the years that gave us feck all in terms of effort and never got slated and in my opinion LUCAS is a must on the team sheet and stewy is great back up to have on the bench its about depth and let's get bk to our way the LFC way support whoever wears the red of our CLUB JON96

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Saw Downing's interview on LFCTV a bit earlier, seems pretty determined to stay and try and make it at LFC, fair play to him. Not his fault we paid so much for him. Provides some experience in an otherwise largely young side, good competition and a good example of what it takes commitment wise for others in the squad. Kind'a hope he stays now as I think given his performance 2nd half of the season he will provide good competition and will help push the younger members of the squad to succeed at the club.

By the way Ed's any truth in Pecheco potentially moving to Celta?

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Maybe when pacheco is 25-26 we could buy him back if he has progressed to the same level aspas is at now.?

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18 Jul 2013 08:51:12
Nonsense. Pacheo will never be as good as Aspas.
Aspas is a brilliant player. None of you watch football I presume? just the PL? that's rubbish. No wonder no one knows who Luis Alberto or Aspas are, fantastic very highly regarded players in Spain.

Da Vinci

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17 Jul 2013 21:40:19
It is between LIVERPOOL, arsenal & spurs for 4th place. Swansea, west ham & everton for 7, 8, 9th place. I'm petty sure we will be top 6 at least. Imo
Can't wait for the season to start.

Ynwa

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What about Southampton and Norwich they have put In significant investment in good players I'm sure they will be battling Swansea and Everton

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As far as I see it, we can't be far from top 4. Personally, I feel that if we had Sturridge and Coutinho from the start of the season, we would have been in the top 4. I know it's a bit of a statement, but I reckon they would have turned a few draws into wins. We already have an overall better squad than last year, and the young players are a year more mature. The more we see of Ibe the better. We will hopefully be getting in a few more. The only issue is if there has been a few too many changes in the squad, but we have an Ok start regards fixtures and hopefully the new players can learn quickly. Anyway, just saying that we weren't too far away the last half of the season, so stop with all the doom and gloom.

Nick

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Qpr invested a lot, they got relegated

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Guys unless 2/3 players are bought in to strengthen our STARTING 11 we'll be battling Everton an Swansea for 7th again. Our team is not good enough right now! Skrtle needs to be sold asap

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I say out of Southampton, Swansea and Norwich.

wanyama, lovren
shelvey, bony
Fer, Redmond, van Wolfswinkel (and currently trying to buy Quagliarella or Matri)

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17 Jul 2013 21:27:27
Liverpool to sell
Suarez for £40m
Assaidi for £3m
Coates for £5m
Spearing £1.5m

Liverpool will buy
ST - Morata for £7m
LW/RW - Bernard for £21.5m
CB/RB - Toby Alderweireld for £7m
CM/DM - Jorginho for £7.7m
LB - Alex Sandro £15m

if Reina leaves a replacement will be bought with the funds received from his sale.

adorjan, wisdom, flanagan, robinson, sama, morgan and coady will join suso on the clubs loan list for the 2013/2014 season.

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Disagree with some of the 'In' prices- some would be more some less. Also Adorjan has already joined Groningen on loan.

RedKopite

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Thanks Brendan

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Although unlikely I would be over the moon with that!

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Skertel out Aswell I wrecking

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Spurs are waiting on bernards answer but they think he will join porto, alderweireld is too slow and sandro won't happen

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18 Jul 2013 01:22:49
What a silly post that is. If Reina goes a replacement will be bought, don't know if you noticed the 24 yr old Belgian international we signed for £9m?
The ins are quite silly too, Alex Sandro would cost £20m because Benfica don't want to sell.

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17 Jul 2013 21:18:22
Eds and reds,
I have seen rumours that Kevin Prince Boateng is Liverpool's alternative to Henrikh Mkhitaryan.
Does this have any legs, could he be an option? {Ed030's Note - I have also heard those rumours mate,I doubt it although he does look set to leave Italy. }

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He would be great, and a supereb loong term replacement for stevie aswel

we should go for both K-P.B & J.B both are available and we need both positions filled(once we sell skrtel). both know English and have experience in the EPL.

£30m or just a little over could get both. better than the alternative Eriksen and Alderweireld for £22m {Ed002's Note - Kevin Prince-Boateng is available but there seems to be little or no interest at this time. Milan have has no offers for him but will look to see if interest from Monaco remains at the €15M they desire - and the money will be used to bring in Eriksen.}

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17 Jul 2013 20:43:52
Hi ed's, hope your all well and coping with the amount of drivel that is sent in these days.

Regarding Erikson not transfer related but is he known to be like this with the media at the moment or is it just now that it has started. I'm still suprised that more clubs haven't gone in for him at £15m

Kind regards

The southern red {Ed002's Note - As I have explained, clubs are not so keen on the talkative ones, and clubs are not keen on players who insist their future is elsewhere.}

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Don't rate him at all, hope it's not true.

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Dont rate him at all but I bet u think henderson is a world beater lol typical

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Lol I think the same price or just a little higher can get us Kevin-Prince Boateng.

long ranger, speed, skill, strength, technical, AM.RM.CM, all rounder. he is one of the few players available (and affordable) that could replace that passion that will be missed in the absence of Suarez.

Bernard at LAM, Coutinho at CAM, Boateng at RAM - tell me that isn't mouth watering

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17 Jul 2013 20:22:04
Knowing that Suarez, Reina and Coates have been the subject of quite a bit of transfer speculation, is it feasible that they have been left out of the tour for a particular reason, I.e. impending transfers? {Ed002's Note - They have a longer vacation due to playing in a tournament.}

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If they leave then hopefully they will be gone before they are due back for their pre-season.

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17 Jul 2013 20:20:46
Am I right in saying we have only spent 2m this summer. Are there any more players to come? {Ed002's Note - No. Yes.}

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Cheers eds .dont mean to sound thick but do we get more income if we agree time change {Ed002's Note - No.}

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Can we assume that lfc have spent less than £5m so far with the players bought and sold?

and i'm not including the signing on fee's because that is contractual. {Ed002's Note - So why not include the signing on fees? And the agent fees, VAT on the fees, the Premier League's fee, relocation fees ....}

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No other club seems to penny pinch like that ed, no good enough from FSG in my opinion if things stay how they are

We need atleast 2 top class signings then ill be happy with their work if not then its not good enough for me and i'm entitled to feel that way

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17 Jul 2013 20:14:22
Evening eds fellow reds, just looked at our first 15 games and only 6 of them are on a Saturday at 3pm . Is that the clubs choice because of tv money or is it the fa choice? {Ed002's Note - It is done in negotiation with the TV companies - they pick the games they want and the police have an input as well. Some clubs have other restrictions, such as Everton and early KOs on Sunday. All of this is taken in to account.}

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17 Jul 2013 20:14:10
Hi eds can we expect an official bid for suarez from Real Madrid any time soon? Would be great to end all this crying and moaning of his and get Brendan Rodgers the money to get some transfers in. Also I hope the 10m and swap deal for higuain is real because I think he'll be fantastic for us. {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

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17 Jul 2013 20:14:06
eds apart from ilori which other center backs do we have an interest in? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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17 Jul 2013 19:56:26
henrikh out for a month injured
yup I always had doubts about his physicality for epl
glad we didn't waste our important money on him.
see it people, we are making effective and good decisions now
kudos to management of the club.
a well managed club is guaranteed success after sometime.
still have a lot of quality in the club.

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LOL. Seriously you are clutching at straws

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But this is his first injury and he has scored 2 goals and 1 assist in his first 2 games even though it is only preseason he is really talented and would definitely have improved our team but we will still improve without him

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Any player can get injured in any game be it a major competition or a friendly. Liverpool wanted the player but he chose another team as his prerogative.

Livern01

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That is just ridiculous you doubted his physicality in the prem has got to be one of the silliest things I've heard recently

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17 Jul 2013 17:49:40
Ed 2, with you supporting Chelsea, I'm just wondering how you see our club? For me the heart says we're top 6 at best, but the head is thinking maybe top 10. Not looking for arguments with fellow kopites, just would like to know an outsiders point of view. Thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - It makes no difference who I support, but as last year I see Liverpool fighting for the lower European places.}

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Top 10! Really

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Chelsea, man city, man u and a toss for 4th between us, spurs and arsenal. my head says we'll finish 5th my heart says 4th as the squads stand!

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It is between LIVERPOOL, arsenal & spurs for 4th place. Swansea, west ham & everton for 7, 8, 9th place. I'm petty sure we will be top 6 at least. Imo

Ynwa

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Liverpool will finish in Third place .
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Chelsea, Man United and City are not the best sides you've ever seen? In fact there distinctly average compared to previous Chelsea, Manutd and to a lesser extent City sides.
So for me the top 4 this season is wide open and it's going to be really interesting to see if Liverpool and Spurs can overtake the overated clubs mentioned above.

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I said top 10 due to the fact that if we don't get this summer window right, we will end up further behind. We can't afford to keep building and having a new period of transition again. Most times we've succeeded, it's always been about passion and the fire in our hearts, nowadays we only seem to be up for it when a 'big' team comes to play us

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Liverpool will finish 6th. That's been honest!

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I don't think Moyes United will finish in the top 3.

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17 Jul 2013 20:09:00
hi eds and reds reading the posts regarding mata and we shouldve signed him 2 years ago. mata wanted cl football, ashley young went to Man Utd, downing was third choice. also kenny tried to sign lorente and gomez before he went for carroll, so in both cases we only got our third choice, kennys fault? no, they wanted cl football and bigger wages!!, we have to accept things likle this until we get back in cl ourselves, until then support OUR TEAM!!! steviep62 godbless96.

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17 Jul 2013 20:04:30
Is it true downing turned down the chance to go to west ham? Has Rodgers told him he has no future at Liverpool aside from ball boy?

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If this was the january window at the begining of the year last season BR would have push him out, but, he has proven that he has something to offer so BR won't force him out yet, unless. BR buys a RW, then and only then will BR push downing out.

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17 Jul 2013 19:37:53
Hi eds, what's the story with Pacheco? Why is everyone saying he never fulfilled his potential? Was he supposed to be brilliant and never amounted to anything? Thanks. {Ed052's Note - Yes mate, he was meant to be the 'next big (ironically speaking) thing'. But through lack of effort, poor training etc he has failed}

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Ed52. he was even turning up late wasn't he?

annoys me so much that scouse kids get released after putting their heart and soul into it and he has the chance of a lifetime and doesn't give a s***

PK {Ed052's Note - He was, yes mate. Compare Pacheco to Ibe, who talks about the Preston friendly ''as a really important game''.}

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17 Jul 2013 18:58:33
Eds.is it true Gustavo been put on transfer list ynwa reddave {Ed052's Note - He has been available for ages. Its nothing new}

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It has to be a no brainier he can cover CM, CDM & CB and is available for a little over £12M all areas that we need to improve.

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Ed052

would you say his most likely destination would be Chelsea?

Also I feel he could provide Lucas much needed competition/cover with coady going to Sheff Utd on loan. do you know if we have had him looked at?

thanks in advance I appreciate your time and effort

PK {Ed052's Note - I don't think know where Gustavo will go. I don't know of any CDMs being looked at at the minute.}

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17 Jul 2013 18:48:56
Any idea if there is any part of the Suarez sale fee that goes to Ajax?

Just wondering, as given we are supposedly interested in two of their players it just had me thinking of possible connections/relations.

Scuzz {Ed052's Note - There isn't a percentage to Ajax, no}

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We paid nearly 25m for him, do you honestly think we would have a sell on percentage as well?

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17 Jul 2013 18:46:58
Hi eds,

Is it true that a Palermo player is being seriously looked at by a Premier league team and do you know who the player is and what team? Hernandez or Munoz are my bets.

Cheers, ForzaRed {Ed052's Note - We aren'tlooking at any Palermo players}

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17 Jul 2013 18:41:28
I'd find it very hard to call him a legend after How he has behaved no matter How many goals he scores. I've still never fully accepted gerrard back after he handed transfer request in while still wearing the armband

Nevada

Reading your post Nevada, brought me right back to 2005 when I got a phone call from my friend that Stevie G is on the way to Chelsea! I remember the hurt I felt, the way my heart sank.

He would have gone if he hadn't chickened out in the end. and it still hurts. particularly with the rivaly we had with Chelsea at the time.

I've never fully forgiven him either tbh

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Grow up the pair of you. He was unsettled and considered leaving, so what? He could have earned a lot more elsewhere but stayed in the end. Deal with it.

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Yeah, Gerrard SUCKS, You guys are right.

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I wasn't particularly angry at him wanting to go, it was known he'd been considering it for a couple of years my issue was that he was wearing the captains armband and no captain should ever try to abandon his team for any reason. If things are so bad you need to leave that's fine but hand in the armband first.

Perhaps I'm a little old fashioned but that band means an enormous amount of respect to me and it should be treated properly.

Nevada

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It wasn't something as simple as chickening out, there was a bit more to it than that

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At which point did either myself or the original poster say gerrard sucks? We made no comments on his ability just gave our opinions on How we feel about club heroes wanting to leave

Nevada

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I think the urchins had something to do with it

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Gerrard handing in transfer request was not true and it was not true that he was close to joining Chelsea. He was unsettled and was unhappy with the role he was playing in the team but he was never really close to joining Chelsea or Real Madrid. If you read his biography, you will know all about it.

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I did not say Gerrard sucks! I actually said I was hurt by his possible leaving! Can't people understand that hurt was from Gerrard being a hero of mine?

I'm 32 years old and the 2 Liverpool players that I've held close to my heart have been Fowler and Gerrard so obviously Stevie going to Chelsea crushed me

If I'm wrong about the transfer request, then I hold my hands up and admit my wrongs but there's no need to attack me for being honest about how I felt.

At least I'm taking the p*ss out of players like Borini etc or asking the eds the same repeated questions all day everyday.

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*Not taking the P*ss I meant

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Stevie G did not hand in a transfer request, nor did he say that he actually wanted to go, he did have a good chat with Carra, and decided he really wanted to stay .
redforever

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On a lighter note.
Not one for clichés but "That was then and this is now" If you look at it, it is really "Water under the bridge" but if he would have left his "actions would have spoken louder than words" He obviously "Had an axe to grind" but by moving he may have "been back to square one"
For me Gerrard is "The best thing since sliced bread" and you "Can bet your bottom dollar" if you disagree "Its no skin off my nose!"

Come on Reds welcome a reply

Livern01

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Huge legend for this club.

Everyone bangs on about the 80's. I was around in the 80's and yes, we had some legends, but it's much easier to commit to a club when they win 8 league championships in 11 seasons and 13 major titles in 13 seasons.

Gerrard is a world class player and could have picked any team in the world to join. He stayed at LFC his whole career. How many legends can say that?

On another note, wasn't Souness in exactly the same boat having lifted the European cup as captain he upped sticks for Sampdoria?

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Spot on, Lpool fans lost great players in our time, mostly because the Italians etc could pay massive wages compared to English clubs back then.

Keegan, Souness, Rush.and no Lpool fans acted like todays fickle persons, most of you are nothing different to the mancs and Chelski fans today tbh.

Suarez and Gerrard were in a quandry about winning things and you burn their shirts. disgrace to our proud club.

We knew Suarez had a iffy temprement yet we supported him and he has given us wonderful memories, now he is suddenly a loon etc.

Big difference is he will honour his contract if Lpool deem it they want to keep him, unlike Torres who sulked and gave no effort. and yet Lpool fans would welcome him back, yet castigate Luis?

Stop being sheep for once in your pathetic lives.

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17 Jul 2013 18:36:30
hi eds, any danger we will be linked with a player that anybody has heard off {Ed030's Note - So you haven't heard of Toure of Mignolet? }

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Who cares if we have heard of them as long as they play well for us, all players start out unknown

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If you watch La Liga you know all about Aspas. As for Alberto, have you seen Chelsea's new Dutch signing or the striker Arsenal have signed? Doesn't mean they won't be good does it?

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17 Jul 2013 18:28:01
eds and reds,
So the whole Luis Suarez and Wayne Rooney saga has hidden Christian Benteke's transfer request.
Who is he likely to go to? {Ed052's Note - Not Liverpool. Spurs pehaps}

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He wants Spurs apparently.

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I would presume since he put a transfer request he must already have a deal well along the way, no? Or do players hand in transfer requests with no real 'deal' well in hand?

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After talking up Arsenal last year he'll end up at Spurs.

Makes sense.

Footballers today

Alfie

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17 Jul 2013 18:09:42
Brendan Rodgers wants to buy a defensive player and a offensive player.
The most linked players are Tiago Ilori and Jorginho.
Any player after that will be as a replacement to players leaving.

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17 Jul 2013 17:48:40
Ok Luis Gustavo has been transfer listed by Bayern. What are we actually waiting for. And Fernando from Porto is in the last year of his contract. Our team is crying out for a DM.

GuvTOB {Ed052's Note - Lucas?}

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Let it go

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Ed52 you can't seriously rate lucas?
he is a truly awful player,

majestic69 {Ed052's Note - Are you joking mate, it doesn't sound like you are. He is an incredible player, and 99% of people will back me up on that.}

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I totally agree gustavo would solve all of our needs back up LB, CB and good CDM to copete with lucas

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Lucas is class mate he would get in most teams he does give the odd foul away but when you make as many tackles in a game as he does your bound too I truly believe he makes Liverpool a better team. Got your bck ed ynwa

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Lucas prior his knee injury was the best holding midfielder in the Premiership and bossed the games against City and Chelsea

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Incrediable player? he is awful, no pace, no power, no sense of positioning, no mobility, constantlygiving away freekicks in dangerous areas. didi hamann wouldstill be able to do a better job than him now? never looks for the telling pass always plays it simple,
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majestic69 {Ed052's Note - His positioning is superb, he is actually powerful, and yes he gives freekicks away (not in dangerous areas however), but no more than other CDMs}

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Sorry there is better than lucas. RedTurk {Ed052's Note - Seems some Liverpool fans don't see a quality player when he has been under their nose for 6 years, then}

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Ed052, I like Lucas but I really expected more from him. He broke into the team when he was 18 and hasn't improved since. Gustavo is better, full stop. {Ed052's Note - WHAT??!?!?!? Of course he's improved}

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I'm actually starting to lose count of the amount of times I've posted Lucas performance stats to prove How good he is. I know people don't like stats but How do you judge How good a dm is? You look at How often he breaks up play and retains possession, last season Lucas did this more than any player in Prem and more than most of the top DM across Europe.

Honestly when will people appreciate such an unsung hero?

Nevada

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You realise how important Lucas is when he is not there. Probably one of the most important players at our club. {Ed052's Note - If not the most, surely?}

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Lucas is class, he's 80 on fifa!

Jk, he is really terrible. I mean, think about it. I could do what he does {Ed052's Note - Yes, of course you could. Without being harsh, if people cannot appreciate how key Lucas is, then they really do not understand the way we play, and the job he does. You don't even need stats (sorry Nevada) to show how good he is. Just watch him, watch how he covers, fights, pushes us up, passes. Simply beautiful}

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Out of our final 12 matches last season we lost one and that happened to be the only game Lucas didn't start. A bit like hamann for me. Nothing spectacular and you only realise his importance when he doesn't play.

Cheers
Greggers

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Lucas is an absolute gem! Have you not seen how we perform when he's not there? grow up the lot of yer!

RedKopite

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Stats don't tell half the story of what a DM does. How can stats account for positioning and ability to sheperd runners into channels where you want them to go. Lucas is a nice person and that clouds our judgment of him. Believe me when this was first suggested to me I was having none of it. But if you actually watched all of his perfomances since he came back they've been nothing short of terrible.

Sure you can bring up the amount of tackles he's made and all that but he doesn't win that many. His percentage is somewhere in the 70's which isn't good enough. He's constantly running out of position, he's weak, dithers on the ball at times seems incapable of shepherding runners and then he just gives silly fouls away.

If we want to progress Lucas is not the answer at DM for us.

GuvTOB {Ed052's Note - You highlight what you perceive to be 2 weaknesses in his game, yet positioning and covering are his two best attributes. He is one of the best I have ever seem. ANybody who doesn't see his quality is crazy }

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Wasting your time ed052, personally think they are not lfc fans but trolls looking for a response and unfortunately he I am typing a response to their rediculousness.

fatboy

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Does my head in a bit to see people slate Lucas. The role of a CDM, particularly in the system we play with with wingbacks pushing up very high, is very critical and Lucas does a fantastic job in it. No he isn't going to make the highlight reels for amazing assists or an awesome goal, but that isn't his job. His role is to break up opposition attacks, regain possession, and move the ball up the pitch the other way all of which he does brilliantly. Yes he gives away fouls but they are all almost always professional ones to slow down an opposition breakaway (again, this is a critical thing to do as without it all we have in the back are 2 CBs generally). I think people that slate him have honestly not spent much time on the pitch playing the game. He's very much an unsung hero in my opinion.

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Lucas is a good player but Alonso and Mascherano were twice the player he was. Its hard to lose genuine world class quality and it's replaced with a mere good player. Maybe I'm still aiming to high these days.

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Lucas is key to our squad but gerrard isn't getting any younger and gustavo can provide competition and fill in if gerrard is injured or rested whilst still offering cover and competition for CB and LB
he is available and at a reasonable price, we need him it is a no brainer
If we spend £35 million on carroll i'm sure we can spend roughly £12million on a proven player with winning mentality and international experience whilst also fitting FSG age requirements!

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Yes ed52 99percent rate lucas haha obviously not, all will be revealed this coming season. if we sign a quality DM we can really push for that top 4, bin the bog standard lucas. actually since he became a regular for us we have slipped dramatically, get rid before its too late

majestic69 {Ed052's Note - When Lucas was injured we were in the bottom half of the table. Lucas comes back, and we lose one in 12/13}

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How is this even a debate? lucas is quality i'd say he's in the top 5 in the world in his position

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He breaks up the play of the other team and he keeps our play ticking over, that's why he plays simple passes to keep possession and to give it to those who are there to create.

He wasn't as good last season as he was pre-injury but he'll have a summer's rest behind him now so hopefully he'll return to his old self - one of the best in the business!

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Lucas is class end of it. How do people not see this? He must have to do a fancy flick or something so that the ones who don't understand his position will see he is good

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Lucas had a bit of a purple patch a few years ago, since then he's been distinctly average, he certainally isn't what I would call world class, far from it infact

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GuvTob is spot on. Nice guy but his positional sense is average. Constantly pulled out of position and ball chases far too often. Needs more discipline. No presence either - teams just seem to run through our midfield time and time again. He'd actually be more suited in a position next to a DM.

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Lucas statistically was a better player after the injury than before. some of must have never played the game

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Everybody who slates Lucas must know somethin that rafa, Roy and Brendan doesn't. I do wonder though does anyone think he can get back to the level he was at prior to his injury?

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People have short memories, as stated by above post, Lucas, after a rest, a good pre-season, will fully recover from major injury, and will be just about our most important player, this coming season .
redforever

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. don't often agree with the eds but on this one ed52 is bang on the money. Lucas is the unsung hero. A totally excellent reader of the game; a class act.
Jackzokay

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Ed I wouldn't even entertain the dude. He is obviously an attention seeker. Save your energy pal.

Alfie {Ed001's Note - if Lucas didn't do his job so well, he would be highly rated, as he would be out of position constantly and having to chase back at the ball. Instead he is mainly facing it up and jockeying the opponent and forcing them to either beat him or lay it off, which isn't exciting enough for the average fan. They want him flying into tackles or bursting forward into the box. Players like him are never appreciated by fans, even when we saw our season collapse after he got injured, as we just weren't as good without him there. What he does is mostly away from the ball, people watching follow the ball, so he is never going to be rated, unless he becomes a media darling.}

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This lucas conversation is really interesting and the main difference is some fans don't watch the game.they watch the ball(the lucas doubters) and the silly billys that complain about lucas are more than likely the 1s that moan about the kit.see because that's what there looking at when they should be waching lucas make some crucial toe poke tackles and stopping attacks REPEATEDLY.so lads don't try coaching its not for you.for that i'm almost certain
JIMLAHEY TPS

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Surely except positioning and chasing down opponents football is much much more than that. even in Lucas' position.
Can't believe I read these things. Lucas can't shoot, he is slow, rarely has the clever pass, dangerous tackles.
Gem? You people are insane.
Even Kuyt who served us well was an average player who occupied a critical position for many years, yet we could have had a far far better player than him.

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What is the average age of Lucas haters. 12? Or should that be IQ as well. If he doesn't beat 4 players and put in the top corner then you think the guy is poor.
Lucas is an unsung hero who is not appreciated by glory supporters. He is the engine of the team, a vital cog. Lucas is pure class at what he does and I have been saying this for years.
People used to disagree but then he won the fans player of the year and then he was appreciated by all. He has a bad season with injuries and then the haters come out of the woodwork again.
Just to back up the Eds point, look at the results with and without Lucas in the team and then try and come back with a valid point.

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Mushroom apart from Liverpool fans, if you ask around no one rates Lucas. Also if he is THAT good as we try to show to the world then why no big team is chasing him?
It is like we are happy with our mediocrity and this is the best we can have, only because he loves the club and works hard for it!

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I challenge anyone who thinks Lucas needs to be replaced to honestly watch a few full games (prior or not to injury) and focus solely on him. You'll come to the same conclusion that most here have and how impactful he truly is for us.

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Ed52 you know up until xmas we had no squad, had to use youth players like wisdom sterling suso in a lot of games, plus it was only when carra came back in to the side and the signings of coutinho and sturridge we started to hit form, plus in the 1st 4-5 months it took time for the players to get used to Rodgers system, anyway we will see this season how good lucas is? I really hope you are right at the end of the season, he is garbage

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I'm with ed052 on this one, probably our most important player. The best DMs in the world are the ones who never get noticed until they are gone.
I would say we need decent cover this season though. We miss him too much when he is gone.

MIKEY

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Majestic I can tell right away you haven't been to many games for at least a few seasons because you would have seen Lucas dominating games before his injury.

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17 Jul 2013 17:01:14
Ao glad we bought downing instead of mata, his class is being proven today with big clubs like the hammers in for him for 8 mill

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How much did coutinho cost again?

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He's not talking about coutinho is he?

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Everyday you lot always mange to moan about one player or another that plays for lfc. or how much we have payed for them.
sj

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You presume Mata would have wanted to join which wasn't necessarily the case.

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We didn't have a chance at buying Mata he wanted to go to a Champion s League team from Valencia, Liverpool was mentioned but ultimately was never going to happen.

We wanted Ashley Young as first choice to Stewart Downing who became our first choice once United signed Young instead of us. That was the reality not Mata which was always fantasy.

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The initial comment was trying to make a point that Downing is so poor that teams are only offering £8 million for him.
The Coutinho comment proves that price means nothing about the quality of the player.

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What RDL said.

Also, I remember us meeting Valencia in a pre-season friendly. Downing was outstanding for us, while Mata was rather invisible. And people here were slating Mata like there was no tomorrow.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

We can't sign all. We won't sign all. And not all wants to join us. Some might do good, some players will be called "deadwood" by fans.

I'm looking forward to the new season.

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Downing does a lot of unseen work to help Johnson out. I'm not saying Downing is the quality we need in the first team, but then you've got to ask the question is Johnson then?

MUSHROOM

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This is the original poster and no mushroom I also don't think johnson is good enough he daydreams too much and is not good at the main thing he is paid for, defending

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Spot on KR, just because Mata looks good in Chelski's system you automatically think he wouldn't have failed at Anfield, some of you just don't use logic at all.

Veron looked awesome then came to the PL and looked a sunday league donkey. Just because Mata has done ok at Chelski doesn't mean he would have here, its also a lot about the player feeling settled and in a good mental state.

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17 Jul 2013 16:50:59
I know he has injury issues and would have work permit issues but if Suarez does go, I would love us to go for Luis Muriel, even at around 20mil this kid could make Suarez look average. {Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen.}

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Just because he's good on FIFA doesn't mean he's good in real life, from what I've seen of him he is less than average.

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Muriel he's not great in fifa, I actually have jorginho in midfield and he's class :)
jeff

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Why would you love us to buy someone who won't get a work permit? That wouldn't exactly benefit our team.

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17 Jul 2013 16:46:50
How eds don't take this the wrong way but I was wondering where you get your information from. Do you have connections with people who work for Liverpool? Cheers {Ed002's Note - I get everything from the search engine.}

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Another great response ed thank you very much

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Search engine knows all.

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The Search Engine for President!

The real AG

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17 Jul 2013 16:33:35
Can the eds tell us of any players Liverpool have shown an interest in as of late? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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Yes, they can. Next question.

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17 Jul 2013 16:33:03
All Quiet on the Western Front
Cavani sold, Rooney looking to go.
Hang on to your hats it's at last about to start.
If Saurez doesn't get his dream move to Spain, will he accept EPL club or will he give it a year. ,
Italian clubs have cash but that's a 3rd rate league isn't it?
The game is about to begin, no more rumours. , let the why didn't we sign him start. , but remember the players we were suppose to be in for last season, nothing really missed as far as I'm concerned.
Trust the club and watch as the gooners and mancs wind themselves up.

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17 Jul 2013 18:04:31
3rd rate league, where would Lfc have finished in the Italian league?

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If Liverpool were playing against the Italian teams then very high, Italy's league is full of old players hanging on too their contracts. Nesta even admitted this week that the Italian League lacks the stars of English, Spanish and German football, I personally think we'll be adding France to that list soon enough. Italian football died in the pretty early to mid 90's

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Re Downing, anyone can pass a comment on him or anyone else for that matter. If you make a negative comment it doesn't mean you are not a good supporter/fan. My opinion is Downing is cr*p. Yes he improved but let's have it right he couldn't have got any worse could he? He was annoying to watch, in first season NOT going past a player (what a winger should be doing), no assists, no goals! **** me! what was he getting paid £50/60k a week. And before anyone makes a stupid comment, yes I go the match, have done for 45 years. We should not be happy with players contributing what Downing does, yes ok we are not in the position we was 15-20 years ago or even 5 or 6 years ago attracting players but if Downing is as good as we can hope for I would be

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You underestimate Downings weekly wage by some distance. He's a confidence player and for some reason he has been without any for pretty much all of his time with us. Said it before, 2 years to go on a contract is stick or twist time and I suspect we'll twist if we get a bid anywhere near 6-7m. His replacement would be on half his wages meaning we get a fee equivalent to 10m. Or we could just allow Sterling/Ibe to fight for his old spots on left or right.

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17 Jul 2013 16:32:01
I'm mad at the fact that downing wants to fight and stay for his place. He did okay last season and he could be a good squad player, but he's no longer first choice now that we have aspas. I want us to take that 6-8 million and run with it.

NDred

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And you call yourself a supporter? Pathetic.

The real Ag

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Downing simply isn't good enough to get us top 4 and i'd rather point fingers at under performing players than the manager

For 8 million he shouldve gone we couldve bought abother coutinho with that or put it towards a top quality player maybe papadopoulos or muniain

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You are mad because he is loyal and wants to prove he can help the team?

Some people on here need to give themselves a shake!

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Ag, what's wrong with wanting to sell a player? If a fan doesn't think they're good enough and the club gets a good offer then the sale could benefit the club (through reinvestment possibly in better players?) - so how does this mean NDred isn't a "supporter"?

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The real Ag you are a muppet. Everyone has an opinion and you might not agree but to call him pathetic is harsh. He is probably a better supporter than you the only thing that is pathetic is your post!

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To the first reply after my post:

Downing made a very good contribution last season after being dropped in the earlier part of the season. He showed the fight that he was missing in his first season, by putting in more effort, coming up with 3 goals and 5 assists since he was given a 'final' chance. I think with the likes of Sterling, Ibe and Coutinho, he will need to improve again and I think he is upto it. That's why I want him to stay for atleast another 6 months.

To the poster after "Cub":

Whether a "fan" thinks a player is good or not have no bearing on how the club view the player. The club are ready to listen to offers for Downing, but with who would you realistically buy for the 8 million or so you get for Downing, who is an improvement on him? Don't say Munain, because if you have been watching, you will know that he has had a couple of very poor seasons, has off-field issues with partying etc and has on-field issues with temper etc.

To the 2nd poster after "Cub":

Now, you 'tealeaf', how the 'tomato' did you calculate the probability that the OP is a better supporter than me 'squid'? He has an opinion, and my reply was MY OPINION on his opinion 'you duffydil'.

The only thing that is pathetic is your excuse for a support for a player who has showed a desire to want and fight for the cause. I bet you are the same 'plantpot' who keeps trolling the site revealing your wet dreams about Suarez and calling the likes of Spearing and Shelvey donkeys.

Now, go back to your computer game or whatever childish thing you are accustomed to doing.

The real AG

PS: Ed's, sorry for this post, but the number of clueless plantpots in this site has increased "humongous"-ly of late. Feel free to replace certain short-forms (MF and DF) with other words that fill your imagination, {Ed052's Note - I've had my fun...}

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17 Jul 2013 18:11:06
Ha ha to call him pathetic is harsh but you just called him a muppet! "He's probably a better supporter than you" what qualifies a better supporter? It's like a school playground on here.

Petulant footy fans.

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If the club sold every player the fans didn`t rate how would we ever get a settled team and progress. Downing worked so hard on his game last year and has shown tremendous character. He is also a talented lad and wants to be successful at Liverpool. That may only be as a squad player but squad players are a really important part of any team. I for one am right behind him and hope he stays and fights for the cause. Stewart Downing is a Liverpool player unless BR says so.

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I can't believe there are fans who would begrudge a player working hard and WANTING to play for Liverpool and simultaneously so many are desperate for a player who has made it abundantly clear he has no interest in our club to stay.

Very backward. I'm quite happy for downing to stay, he works hard he doesn't complain and he understands that his role is a squad player and is happy to work with that. We need more players with his kind of mentality

Nevada

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Stewart Downing will not be a Liverpool player for very much longer, he simply isn't good enough.Any player given a ''final chance''is obviously not good enough in the first instance.I'd want to ''stay and fight for the cause'' on his contract.He's not even a squad player and his continued presence can only be detrimental to the development of some of the youngsters who have real talent and are ready to ''fight for the cause''!Uglygeordiegenius

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Ag, as you say the fans views on the players doesn't decide it it's the clubs but Rodgers clearly wanted him gone last season and is willing to let him go again now so what's your point? BR wants him gone and so does a fan, your point being?

You don't need to spend the same amount of the money on a replacement. The money can go anywhere where players are needed. You listed Sterling, Ibe and Countinho - we also have Aspas, Alberto and Borini so why do we need to replace Downing and his 70k a week? We're already looking to buy another starting attacker.

I think you're completely contradicting yourself on your reply to the 'tea-leaf'. OP gave his opinion without being deragatory and you called him pathetic. When 'tea-leaf' calls you a muppet then you say you're entitled to your opinion on OPs opinion - what's the difference between you calling him pathetic and 'tea-leaf' calling you a muppet.

P.S. I'm making you look silly

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The Mancs are back again.

Their ship is sinking and they fear us.

Alfie

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Would downing get into manc, chealsea, arsenal or citys team - answer is NO he's not a top four quality player and if we settle for players of lesser quality we won't finish in top 4 either
jeff

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Isn't this a banter site where I can express my opinion on my favorite club? Yes, I believe so. Don't doubt my support of Liverpool. It just makes you look bad as the eds can probably look up that when I post, I post about myself backing players or coaches (borini, allen, rodgers etc.) I, like many other supporters live in the U.S. and wake up very early every saturday and sunday or whenever games are on to watch Liverpool play. Win or lose, I don't give up on LFC. I'm glad people could express their opinion on my post because this is what this site is for. It helps spark debate and let's us know what's going on with transfers. Doubting my support of the club, is in essence, pathetic.

NDred

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Alfie, care to elaborate? Currently your post looks more clueless than the no name posters. We do get an awful lot of tripe on this site but I don't see anything in these to suggest anything other than Liverpool supporters.

Ppl posting about signing Rooney or signing Mata, etc I'd say good comment Alfie but these don't look like Mancs, not to me anyway.

In terms of the Downing debate, I too would like him gone.

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I want Downing gone as do the vast majority of supporters, so AG stop making out your the authority on who is and isn't a real fan you muppet, probably been to about 3 games in your life.

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17 Jul 2013 16:31:29
Hi eds, hope all is well. I'm seeing a lot of people asking if Liverpool have an interest in certain players and its more or the same answer, 'so and so will not be joining Liverpool'. Can you please tell us who are Liverpool interested in and who do you see becoming a Liverpool player before the window closes?

Thanks, JD. Y.N.W.A {Ed002's Note - They are listing players at random from fantasy football games or blogs etc.. Where there has been interest in players that I know of, I have said. I cannot predict who will actually become a Liverpool player as situations like we saw with Mkhitaryan arise. There remains interest in Ilori but a significant gap between his club's valuation and what Liverpool will want to pay.}

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17 Jul 2013 16:07:56
Can't wait for Conor coady to step up to the first team, going to an outstanding replacement for gerrard in the future!

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Welcome home Conor, hope you enjoyed your hols!

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Get your head down conor!

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Not for a while - didn't even make the tour. Likely go on loan for a bit along with Robbo, Flanno and Morgo to see if they've got the minerals.

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17 Jul 2013 16:04:54
R.I.P. First Row Sports!
Or at least for us in UK watching the footy streaming.
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - I imagine you could mask your IP address to make it seem you were in Bolivia and still access football.}

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17 Jul 2013 16:28:21
You can probably use a proxy server to hide your ip quite easily. But your ISP might be used to detect your region, it just depends how well they have blocked it.

There will always be more streaming sites anyway - try VIPbox

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Will that include ireland or will it just be for you guys

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Chill out mate there are loads of streaming sites.

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Name some reliable ones?

As I don't think currently there are many.

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Red tube - very reliable shouldn't need it for 90mins though ;)

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12thplayer.com is very reliable

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Or just maybe you could actually go to the match?

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17 Jul 2013 16:03:57
Eds

Is it pure coincidence that lfc go australia this year for the first time but Manchester United are already there?

It seems no one is going america but everyone is in asia? I don't get it? Isn't the club individual in this situation or they all share where they go?

Hope u can help with my questions, hope its better than answering the same saurez ones :)

Harry {Ed052's Note - Its purely a coincidence. The club goes to places with big fan bases. Big clubs tend to have fan bases in the same places]

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A while back I was rather excited when my wife told me a team from Liverpool would be playing my local LA Galaxy. I couldn't figure out how I didn't already know that LFC would in California when I figured out they're playing Everton :-/

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17 Jul 2013 15:47:39
Arda Turan anyone? Ticks all of the boxes. would love it to happen!

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Nah, I don't rate him, never have. He's slow, fat and lazy at tracking back. Also i'm in resentment from the amount of fan boys he has on this site every window for 5 windows running

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'He's slow, fat and lazy.' Well, there's clearly a person who has NEVER watched him play before. However, I do know what you mean about the latter part of your reply- he's been 'set for a medical at melwood' for the past 4 years.

RedKopite

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17 Jul 2013 15:47:38
Are there any old gits out there who remember those halcyon days when we supported OUR team-
-whichever it was. without any thought of BIG TENT signings? You supported the team! Any additions were welcome. You hoped for the best
but were prepared for it not working out.

I am sick to death of the kids and their something for nothing, instant success at any price or, who do we blame culture!

Get back to your Xbox thingies - I want to hear no more from you. The revolution starts here

Puzzled

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Well said Puzzled. Couldn't agree more.

NCCRed

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I agree, but the trouble is that instant success will be that much more desirable because when we buy players and they become so good they want to leave because we have no success to offer them :(

The more successful clubs buy the best players and then we are left to identify up and coming ones because we can't attract the big players of the day, and when we get players who become big players they are off!

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Yeah. I remember. It was boring! Bit like The Cilla Black show. Now we have mega-bucks instant success and X-Factor.

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No name poster - that is life.
when you sign a player you want him to be great for us. BUT if he is, there is a chance his head will be turned by another club. So?
That will always happen. When you had a large group of players from your own catchment area then it didn't matter so much because they would very often opt to stay 'at home' but as things are. with players coming from all over the world there is little loyalty. Like it or lump it - it is a job for these lads and most of them will move wherever the grass seems greener

We can bitch about their ingratitude
but what's the point? Accept it (whether graciously or not is up to you) and look forward to the next man to wear the shirt.

Puzzled

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Its not aboit instant success its about showing some intent on eventual success the players we've bought cannot compete with the likes of paulinho, fernandinho, higuain, fabregas etc

If the team stays as it is i'd imagine we'll finish 6th this season

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Suarez is an 88 on Fifa but Fifa EA have already said if he goes to Real Madrid he'll be rated as a 91 player.

What do you think Puzzled? :)

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Not sure whether this last poster is teasing this old git but I have no interest at all in Fifa numbers or anything approximating to that

Puzzled

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17 Jul 2013 15:23:54
Some fans here are in dreamland regarding Mata.
Thers no way in hell Jose would sell their best man.

We had a chance to sign Mata 2 seaosns ago and we signed Downing Instead.
We also had a chance to sign silva and carzola.
look them. they have become superb players in EPL

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We had no chance of sogning Mata back then which is why weended up with Downing.

The Irish Rover

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We should have signed Mata 4 years ago along with Silva. In fact, I wanted Liverpool to buy Silva Mata Aguero and Suarez 5 years ago when they where kids. If only Liverpool scouts weren't wasting everybody's time with Peter Crouch ect.

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We had a chance to sign Mata, but Chelsea offered more money, if I remember correctly.

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Well if you knew then who to sign for the future, who would you sign now for the next 4 years.?. I think you'll find we already have the future.YNWA. Glasgow red. LFC/RFC

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Why the hatred for crouchy? He did well for us and has been respectful during his stay and after he left as well.

Nevada

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No chance of signing Mata, read what Mata said about it, he only wanted to play for a Champions League team. Not Liverpool. We wanted Ashley Young but he went to United and then we bought Stewart Downing.

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Was it phill thompson that told the club to buy a young christiano ronaldo?

pb

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I thought that whilst interested in Mata, the more serious interest was during Benitez's reign in Silva and Villa?

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17 Jul 2013 15:21:43
Humour me guys whose a better player Bernard or Mickey? {Ed030's Note - Atm I would say it's unfair to compare them because Bernard is still young and maturing,I would say Mkhitaryan is the better player atm but Bernard has the potential to be a far better player imo. }

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Thanks Eds 30. I completely concur, I wish we had got Mickey but if we get Bernie I'd in raptures. Can you imagine Ibe, Bernard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Aspas, Sterling, Suso in the not too distant future absolutely bullying defenders. I need to go and have a cold shower now. I know bernies a long shot but there is money available and two brazilians doing wonderfully well at Liverpool the only thing is would he want to move to Liverpool during world cup year and possibly harm his chances of getting into the squad? {Ed030's Note - Yeah it would be brilliant,I don't know mate,Brazilians are moving back to Brazil to get into the world cup squad so it must enhance your'e chances I would think however I am not to sure. }

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17 Jul 2013 15:06:35
G’day Fellow Reds.

For a start, Go the Maroons, 8 in a row!.ahem.

I am going to post about Luis Suarez. Sorry, but in no way am I going to believe the following fantasy outcome of this whole torrid affair, nor do I think any other posters (or Ed’s) will believe this possible either, but. imagine this.

Luis Suarez. First he want’s sunny Spain, then he want’s Champions League, then he is flattered that there are EPL teams that value him. He has trouble on the pitch with Evra, he bites another Human Being. He is a controversial chap. He is the ultimate Villain to Rival’s fans, not to mention a large portion of our own, and, he thrives on it! The more people hate, the more he performs, on and off the pitch, and he keeps stirring it up because he craves more, more, more.

This is where the fantasy kicks in. The whole thing is orchestrated to turn his own fans against him, thus giving him the ultimate platform of hatred to overcome. If he could make his own fans hate him, then suddenly become a model citizen and an even better player, slowly but surely turning the fans back around with class both on and off the pitch, he thinks he can lead us into that place we all want to go, and even beyond. There can be no greater triumph.

Luis thinks he has an opportunity here. He can become something many players are good enough to be, but only a few are. A Liverpool Legend.

Now that would be something to rest your career on when it is all said and done!

Like said. Fantasy.

RedOz {Ed002's Note - You don't think it is a smokescreen for a bid by Liverpool for Torres then?}

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Made me giggle when you typed ''right now for the fantasy'' after he has already done enough to fill several autobiography's.

The other possibility is that Suarez wants big names to come into Liverpool and that he is trying to put the pressure on the board to open the cheque book after Suarez got his teeth really stuck in last season fighting tooth and nail by scoring 30+ goals. :)

But again, it's just fantasy, the lad is a sausage of a fella but one of the most fantastic footballer's i've seen at Liverpool since Beardsley and Barnes were running defences into the ground week in and week out.

I'd like to think we are working very hard on selling him for a top price and that Rodgers has got a new envelope up his sleeve with a really skillful player's name scribbled on a piece of paper inside.

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It would seem that RedOz thinks that Luis thinks

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I'd find it very hard to call him a legend after How he has behaved no matter How many goals he scores. I've still never fully accepted gerrard back after he handed transfer request in while still wearing the armband

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17 Jul 2013 17:18:16
Hold on. Liverpool have bid for Torres?

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Nevada - I agree

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I have accepted Gerrard back. For mine he has done a great job on the pitch and that is all you can ask given the situation as it has played out. Did it tarnish him, yes, I guess, but he has given us so much as well. And Suarez is a great player and has done many great things for our club but as to being a legend, I think not. It is now again about making the best of a situation. As is the nature of the business.

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17 Jul 2013 15:06:32
I hope fans realise and understand what a tough job BR has getting the club into UCL positions?

I saw great progress last season, playing good fluent football and scoring lots of goals.

A lot of players get mentioned on this page & the prospects of becoming Lfc players like higuain etc etc, but our club can't offer wages compared to other bankrolled club + no European football.

BR is doing it with hungry players with potential like Alberto & aspas, & developing the likes of hendo & coutinho. We need to have patience, I expect us to move forward again this season but don't expect top 4, but we will be closer.

I believe BR is the right man, & as long as we move forward we have to get behind what he is bringing to the club.

When Suarez leaves it doesn't mean we will get a 30m striker on 150k per week, it's about bringing the right people to the club.

Some of the players that get mentioned on here are laughable tbh. We are a big club with a rich history climbing our way back, this season is about clawing the gap back bit by bit.

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I agree Jimbob, he's been fighting fires pretty much since he took the 'hot seat' from the fall out of 3 previous managers, the baggage of Carroll, being short on strikers due to circus like behind the scene's antics from people and sterling's contract hype which the papers were trying to make the most of, right up to Suarez's misdemeanour's and on top of it all the expectation of the ever hard to appease Liverpool fans by rooting us back into the Champions League.

Rodgers is sticking to what he knows and is already righting some wrongs by getting apples from the tree's (youth players) instead of going to the barrel and getting them, paying hugely inflated prices for ego's that are the size's of planet's and wage packets that are about the same size as well. So that's great for the future but what about now?

Before all this Suarez wants out talk, I was so exciting about the new season and how the new players would add that bit of missing magic we much needed over the last few seasons. We found such a humble and amazing player in Coutinho and he has taken like a duck to water and we the fans already see him as a focal point of awesomeness. If Rodgers can find one or two more Coutinho like players then we'll be the talk of English football and Rodgers will be hugely in demand especially if Moyes, Pelligrini can not live up to the hype and if Mourinho fails to replicate his first stint then how long will Roman suffer his Portuguese love affair?

If Rodgers keeps doing what he knows with his youthful high tempo tiki total football and we get another gem, maybe Alberto? Maybe Aspas or someone new then we have a great chance. Even though Suarez got the goals last season many of us were commenting in surprise at just how fluid and cut throat we were and how the team collectively scored and worked much better together as a unit.

All i'm asking for is an improvement on final position in the League table and a decent cup run. If we finish 5th by a few points and people ask for Rodgers head i'd be infuriated at having to start over, working to a whole different style and tactical approach all again. After Rafa, Hodgson and Kenny we need some guidance, stability and surety and Rodgers is doing his best albeit his own player is throwing spanners in the works yet again but he's rejuvenated the squad very well, just one or two players with a bit of experience to help bring it all together and we'll be just as strong as the majority of our rivals. It's not about the most expensive players, it's about the right players, just look at England, as expensive on paper as you like, but they have no cohesion, if Rodgers get's the blend right then we don't need *insert ridiculously expensive player in here* just the right players with the right footballing brain. Patience is important whenever going into battle. YNWA

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Thank you, Jimbob, for a moment of rare clarity. Mad on here sometimes. Wisdom, Henderson and Borini could be incredible in a year or two, and are already showing a lot of promise. I remember Agger and Lucas being written off by some and now they're amongst the very best in the world in their positions.

BR is doing an incredible job in setting us up for both our immediate and long term ambitions, not just for the first team but throughout the club. I've been nothing but positive since he arrived and he hasn't let us down yet, either with his brand of football or the signings he's made (Assaidi excepted, although he was making up numbers in a sparse squad anyway). Couple of big ones yet to come as well so we should all be smiling tbh considering all the rubbish we had to put up with in the 5 years or so before BR came (G&H, stadium nonsense, crippling debts, Torres/Mascherano/Meireles /Arbeloa disloyalty, Rafa's meltdown, Hodgson's dire football. ). A lot of people seem to have short memories - the Suarez transfer affair is nothing in comparison. We're seeing the start of something pretty special.

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Your posts are too sensible guys. Most people here aren't old enough or trustworthy enough for a paper round so have no idea about the harsh realities of life for Brendan the football manager.

Fancy a job, Bren? Get rid of all the experienced players over 30 bar the Scouse legends, reduce the wage bill, do without a replacement for Carroll, have a bit of top 4 action early doors while your trying to get across Tika Taka to a group of players who've had more managers in the previous 3 years than Winner had Dinners and oh, if you could get us top 4 while you're at it that would be grand. What? Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have all got better players? Don't be a defeatist Bren.

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17 Jul 2013 14:49:30
This talk of Mata has me in dream land. I would straight deal suarez for mata. We r looking for a player in Matas position and he is the best in the EPL there. We have 3 forwards, two of which are going to be great (Sturridge, Aspas), some people say they want cash and Mata. Mata has great attitude, few injury problems, and is the master of midfield. Couldn't imagine LFC signing him, it would just be too great to be true.

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17 Jul 2013 15:19:55
We had a chance two seasons ago. and KK signed downing isntead.
should have bought him in the first place instead and played 4-3-3 formation.

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Good old kenny eh!

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Kenny tried to sign him, but he wanted to move to Chelsea. He also tried to sign Mario Gomez before he tried to sign Carroll. As bad as his signings were, he isn't thick.

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More persons. Mata didn't want to join us. Downing has played well for 18 months now. Carroll transfer fee was directly linked to Torres' - when viewed as a whole it was Torres out, £30m+ in. Staggering ignorance on here sometimes, mixed with the brilliance of the Ed's. Bit much in this heat.

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17 Jul 2013 14:48:07
Eds, I've seen a rumour about bernard to Liverpool, is there really any truth in this, because it comes from a swedish Liverpool page which updates rumours and news. {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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17 Jul 2013 14:46:52
I might be criticized but this is how I look at it!

I was a Liverpool fan before I could make my own decision, I thank my Dad for that. He always told me about the days of old when Liverpool were kings of europe. I got to see that for myself 2005 istanbul it felt like a dream I couldn't believe it coming from 3 down. As we went 3 down I refused to move from that screen still holding on to the lil faith I had left and to my surprise I was disappointed. I remember I wasn't alone fans around the world still had faith I remember fans on the tv still kept singing they still had faith.

This is what we need to remember we are still fans and if we have to have faith and belief in the team, aslong as there is men on that pitch kicking the ball a manager on the sidelines and fans to cheer the team on I will have faith and that's what I got from my dad. I'm super excited about the season because I believe that we will be in top 4 or by a miracle (istanbul) win the league, if I didn't have faith in the team doing this I couldn't be a fan. Regardless of what happens I will keep that faith that makes me a Liverpool fan. Sorry for the rant but Liverpool need there fans back the real ones, those that believe even when the odds are against you
YNWA

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It's good to believe and have a dream but be realistic ok because we aren't good enough to win the league! There are other teams that are way better than us! Stick to top 4 as our aim

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17 Jul 2013 14:24:57
Hi eds is there no truth in the Bernard rumours atall? Was really hoping this one would be true! {Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation.}

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17 Jul 2013 13:43:43
Anybody notice rossiter wasn't part of the u18 squad v derby so he's either injured (again) or been promoted to u21's

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He played for the u 21's against shrewsbury yesterday

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What was the result against Shrewsbury for the U-21's?

The real AG

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Cheers AMZ

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I think shrewsbury won 2 nil

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17 Jul 2013 13:39:05
Hey eds, can I throw a Hypothetical your way for a second? You said before that you were worried that IF Rodgers were to part ways with Liverpool he has changed too much of the philosophy etc. So do you think that a) the club will look to keep Rodgers even if we stay another season or two outside of CL places, or b) we would continue in the same philosophy and IF a manager was to replace him, he would be of the same way of thinking as BR? I am not saying that I want BR out, far from it and I hope the club and fans stay behind him so he can build a dynasty at Liverpool. Just curious as to what the clubs stance would be for the next season or two and beyond. {Ed002's Note - Much will depend on results. He has a target of getting Liverpool in to the Champions League but common sense has to prevail.}

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Although you can only take care of yourself when you look around at the top 4-5 clubs in the League you realise what a tough ask it will be to finish in the top 4, that said our second half of the season was much improved, there have been a number of changes elsewhere too so gives ground for optimism. I think we have to improve again this season and challenge . or BR won't be around too long. That could create problems in itself with the type of signings made. let's hope we finish top 4!

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Its not really about common sense. our first eleven on paper is no less able than any of the top 4 maybe bar Chelsea and Man City. Its about luck. If we are lucky enough to hang onto Suarez for another season and lucky enough that all our core players i.e gerrard, coutinho, sturridge, agger, lucas all stay fit then we will be in the mix quite comfortably.

Man utd are going to shock everyone next season. They are not going to slip into top 4 as easily as people think. They've changed their entire coaching team and moyes is going to be under an unprecedented amount of pressure. I feel the Manchester United team of the last 2 seasons hasn't actually been that great but fergie brought them up about 25 percent, without him utd with that team are going to be in trouble.

Arsenal are always going to be vulnerable at the back and defensively and will not push on more than last season.

Tottenham, Man City and Chelsea are the ones to watch but we should easily challenge 4th.

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We've started down this path and gone all in. To lose faith and turn back now will merely hasten our fall even further from the top 4 or 5 above us. I've seen enough positive signs to give Rodgers all of next season even if we don't quite make top 4 this year. I think he's signing good players and we've toughened up in the transfer market.

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17 Jul 2013 13:37:55
the simple fact about suarez is that he is a 20+ scorer each season and with each season he has been here his goal ratio has gone up, now if we could get another player like this who scores the same amount of goals then I say sell him, but if we can't replace him for a 20+ goals a season player then I say keep him, because goals win games and the more games we win the higher in the prem we finish, this is just my opinion

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Not as simple as that, if a player wants to leave, a player will leave

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Not when they have 3 years left and we don't want to sell! he can't play rubbish if we force him because no 1 will want to buy him!

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17 Jul 2013 13:34:27
have heard we are after Steven Caulker, have you heard anything on this eds? {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

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17 Jul 2013 13:26:44
Hi eds,
Do you think real will make a move for Suarez any time soon. {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

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17 Jul 2013 13:20:42
Ok simple question why would Liverpool not be interested in huigain as part payment he is highly regarded in the world, would be a MARQUEE signing and would soften the blow the news coming out of spain is ancelotti is prepared to let him go the FACT wenger is interested means he must think he can cut in the prem and finally wages well if luis goes carroll gone then that can't be a problem .v interested on eds comments and fellow Liverpool fans YNWA

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1) Higuain would not want to come to LFC.
2) He would not fit into our style of play.
3) LFC are trying to reduce the wage bill, not increase it. Higuain's wages would be extortionate.
4) We can not offer him CL football.
5) We do not want him.

Can't think of any more at the moment.

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Higuain wage is less what suarez is making at lfc.suarez has 120 a week that's around 8mil euro a season.trust me not all players at barca madrid are on that wage.we can pay high wages if needed just look at agger/gerrard

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17 Jul 2013 15:21:43
Everything is Fine. execpt.

LFC are trying to reduce the wage bill, not increase it. Higuain's wages would be extortionate.

Higuain current wage is very very low. somewhere near 50k per week as I heard.
Arsenal will not pay huge wages to any player.

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I just don't get how people say he wouldn't fit into our style of play. I can understand in relation to Carroll or a striker of that sort. Higuain is a class player, technically gifted, hard working and a goalscorer. He doesn't get the recognition he deserves because Madrid play a system to get the best out of Ronaldo. Higuain is also one of the lower earners in the Madrid squad.

The only thing that would concern me is the value that RM would place on him. (ie his value being £30 mill etc - then I would not feel it would be worthwhile).

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Higauin isn't technically gifted?

His work rates are severely lacking, his finishing is above par but his effort in build up is not nearly to the level of what Liverpool want.

His, albeit, incredible goalscoring record is incredible, but take note that he was a Striker playing for RM who are one of the best teams in the world and in a league with about 10 teams that wouldn't even make it into the Premier League and some would struggle in the Championship.

If you saw his goals they are normally open goals due to the work of his team and that sort of thing.

Wouldnt be a good signing, in my humble opinion, for us or Arsenal.

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17 Jul 2013 13:06:35
Any news on brazilian football bernard is it just paper talk linking him to Liverpool {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new right now.}

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16 Jul 2013 19:03:20
the link /Liverpool-banter.html is a broken link Edds.

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{Ed033's Note - Can you tell me which page the link is broken on not which link is broken

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17 Jul 2013 12:57:28
Hi friends, can anyone tell me why there isn't luis suarez picture in the indonesian tour page?

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Have a wild guess?

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He joins the team on the 22nd of July

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He has been away with his country and has been given an extended break, hence he wasn't going to be there for the pic.

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17 Jul 2013 12:24:50
So apparently United have turned down Chelsea's offer of £10m cash plus either David Luiz or Juan Mata! Why don't we go to Chelsea and ask them to make the same offer to us for Suarez? Mata is the missing piece. He'd be perfect for us!

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I agree with you Mata is class and would be a great addition. Very very unlikely though. I can't see him going to a non-CL team tbh if Chelsea are looking to sell. I think it's just crap reporting and really nothing to it in way of facts, Mourinho can't be seriously interested in losing mata, one of the best players on the league last year.

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Maybe because they want Rooney and not Suarez?

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Official statement from chelsea, no player was offered on loan or for sale in bid for rooney, lazy journalism as usual
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Wasnt lazy journalism this time but United leaked it involved a player.

Maybe a lie to disrupt the players or they actually did.

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17 Jul 2013 12:12:45
Why is everyone so obsessed with Eriksen? Seriously he's not setting the world on fire and we already have a much better player for his position, coutinho. It would be a complete waste of his ability to shunt him wide to accommodate a completely new player

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I agree Nevada. Myself I'm a bit worried of moving Coutinho wide to accommodate a new ACM. He seemed to be less effective out there. We need wide players that are more efficient in their role going forward and not another ACM IMO. Would have preferred Suso to be Coutinho's back up, but if a loan is viewed as better overall for him and his progression, then so be it. We have others to fill in there if needed or Coutinho's injured.

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Nevada I've said the same thing in one of my posts and I totally agree with you on ericksen,

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That's why we're interested in Bernard to play LW if we can get Bernard LW an shikiri (spelling) RW we'd be unstoppable. It would also give us a strong bench/cup team with downing aspas sterling Alberto starting! Pumped if we can get these players in!

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Hes always been seen as gerrards long term replacement and will give him competition and can play false 9

Anyways who are we to stick up our noses at someone like christian eriksen this time last year we wouldve sold our souls to have a player like that in our team now we question whether he's good enough?

Shows how far BR has progressed us in a year

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Ya I agree we should look to get a really good LW instead. Different type of player I know but Henderson could cover Coutinho in the AM position we'd just need to make sure it's players who can score playing on the wings then like no way Downing have Aspas out there

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I disagree. The herd mentality says Eriksen had a bad season when actually he had his best in terms of goals and assists (and most were condensed into last half of the campaign so he's actually on a OT streak) For his age he has played a lot of high level football and has won titles and played in CL. He was relatively poor in the Euros but was targeted as Denmark's main creative spark. He'd be a good signing and can play in 3 or 4 positions. Aspas & Sturridge will score lots with Coutinho & Eriksen feeding them. Coutinho won't be great every week remember. Liverpool fans seem to be worried he's rubbish because other clubs haven't snapped him up. Of course if Spurs agree terms tomorrow we will have missed out on a world-beater. As 21 year olds go he's a cut above. Bernard has done far less and has never played in Europe. He's Brazilian and would cost more so he's the one folks want. Don't get it.

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17 Jul 2013 12:42:24
What a shocker. Mata is awesome. Him for Suarez any day.

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What utter tosh. Mata is class but a straight swap for Luis?.no chance LS is in another league.

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17 Jul 2013 12:38:14
LFC ideally want £50m+, but realistically with Suarez and his agent making his position untenable an offer of £40m plus Suarez handing in a transfer fee is likely to be reluctantly acceptable. Obviously the preference is to sell abroad but if the only offer of £40m comes from a premiership team and Suarez makes a transfer request to go there then we will reluctantly sell so as to be able to remove this disruptive, ungrateful, self centred person from our club and move on. Whilst his talent may be worth £50-£60m (in the current market when say compared to Cavani or Falcao) his value is seriously damaged by his behaviour over the last couple of seasons and his actions this summer. Buying clubs know this and will also take on the risk of another incident occurring which would result in Suarez receiving a Cantona like ban. Whether we like it or not this is the reality. The Eds seem certain (and Suarez's behaviour this summer supports this) that it is not a case of hoping Suarez stays but more a case of hoping he goes abroad and in time to give us the opportunity to spend his transfer fee on some useful acquisitions. Until the Suarez situation is resolved (hopefully over the next 10-14 days) it may make sense for BR to keep the £20m not spent of Mickeywhatshisface burning a hole in his pocket. If Suarez goes BR will then have £60m to strengthen the squad. With an extra £40m in his pocket and Suarez gone BR may well decide to spend the £20m burning a hole in his pocket very differently than if Suarez stays and he had only the £20m to spend. Put very simplistically 2 £30m players may be bought rather than one of £20m now (though there are of course various spending permutations). Reality Red

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Again another long winded post about our best player, seriously getting boring and embarrassing now.

Where was all this "He's disruptive, he's a liability" BS when he signed a new contract?

You certainly weren't posting this hypocritical crap back then?

Most of you are absolutely clueless and embarrassing to the real fans. While still a Lpool player he should be backed, YNWA remember that little saying?

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The reason people weren't saying he's disruptive and a liability before is because most of us thought that he was enjoying life at Liverpool and wanted to stay and achieve things with us, because, that is what he had said. We were led to believe that was the he had signed the new contract in the first place. The reason there is so much resentment towards him now is that he was quite obviously talking out of his arse. Given the support he has been given (by staff, players and fans alike), it is understandable why some now think (including myself), he's a DF and should go, allowing us to bring players that do want to play for Liverpool.

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If only usernames were around this time last year.

Suarez came off a poor season of about 15 goals, and 11 in the league.

I severely criticised his finishing and that he was too eager to shoot and not pass.

Obviously he proved me wrong with his finishing with 30 goals; unless you look at the fact he had the 2nd most shots of any player in Europe last season, only behind Ronaldo.

In all honesty I was right about his selfishness and his finishing but nevertheless he is a game changer.

Shame he wants to leave but oh well

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17 Jul 2013 20:23:50
You are missing the point. He has been backed to the hilt, possibly more than any other player in the history of the club. He may still at this moment in time be an LFC player but each time he has opened his mouth this summer he has delivered a kick in the teeth to the club and its supporters. If you are happy to blindly support him until he moves on that is your prerogative. Others who call a spade a spade and criticize his behavior are no less a fan for doing so. The Eds have repeatedly stated that he wants a move, Ed002 has been saying it for months and pointing out the depths to which he would be willing to go to achieve his aim. If he ends up staying, we will back him whilst he wears the red shirt, but as a person he has lost the respect of many. What he is doing now is disruptive and he lack loyalty and class regardless of whether or not he is our best player. Reality Red

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17 Jul 2013 11:54:08
I hope to see jack dunn, trickett smith and jerome sinclair given a chance this seasin all played really well for the under 18s last season hope teixera gets a go as well lfcste

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Agree on Jerome Sinclair and Jack Dunn, I love watching both of them play in the U21's .

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They are nowhere near ready yet for the 1st team.

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Im not saying first 11 every week just in a few cup games abd substitute appearances lfcste

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17 Jul 2013 12:00:05
Any interest in Luis Gustavo, Eds? {Ed002's Note - Use the search function.}

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Smacks head against wall.
Any interest in MolemanMark, Eds?

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17 Jul 2013 11:29:44
Utd have supposedly declined an offer 10m and either mata or luiz for Rooney. Are they bloody mad. Mata alone is now a better player than rooney. I wish Chelsea would offer 20-25m and mata for Suarez. He'd be perfect for Liverpool. WexRed

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I'd take 10 million and mata for him

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No offers uave been made for Rooney. Its just been enquiries from Chelsea. No formal offer has been made.

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If Mata is held at such a low value by Mourinho we should not wait for them to be interested in Suarez, we should offer to buy him outright . part exchanges are a messy business.

I just cannot see this being true though, if it were though I could see Mata being bigger part of our further improvements than Suarez ever would be.

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I'd be happy with that deal we would need a Muriel or other striker though

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If no offers have been made then how would united decline the OFFER

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17 Jul 2013 12:49:50
I'd give them £10m and Suarez for Mata. He is by far the best player in the league. Bale, Suarez and Van Persie are not fit to lace his boots. 20 goals and 36 assists last season in all competitions for Mata! Iniesta only plays ahead of him for Spain, because he's a Barcelona player.

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17 Jul 2013 12:53:12
I'd take Mata plus £10m for Suarez.

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Why would Mata come to Lpool?.all living in FM land.

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17 Jul 2013 11:23:02
If we get 40mil for LS then bring in FQ from juve for 10mil that would be an amazing bit of business. A quality striker and 30mil in the bank.

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So a 30 year old who has never had a better scoring record than 1 in 3 would be an amazing replacement for Suarez? Wow.

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17 Jul 2013 11:17:02
Manchester city will be the first to offer worth 40m for Suarez. The paperwork is being done as we speak. The offer will be made public mid next week.
Now the other interested parties are Real Madrid, Aresnal, Chelsea and Inter, however it appears Manchester United are watching with interest and it looks like they are preparing to bid. This will question Rooney's future.
Bidding war starts next week.

***wigfield76***

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Is that you Luis?
Look, the bite of the matter is that LS is bad news.

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Man city will not be offering anything for Suarez they have agreed fees for both jovetic and negredo

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Maybe if Suarez shouted to Negredo during a match he would get a ten game ban.

Red raj

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There's no end to the list of reasons LS wouldn't go to Man United.
Evra obviously, but also David Moyes has been very vocal in his criticism of the player and wouldn't send the right message to his new fan base and club in general to buy Suarez.

Also, how would United justify the megabucks on him when they spent on Robin Van Persie and he ended up being the top goalscorer etc. last year (I know the ban for LS probably decided that but ho hum.).

I think City, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid are likely to be the bidders but rumour suggested Madrid have requested Suarez's agent to try and lower the cost with all these quotes and wanting to even entertain the £30m bid from arsenal.

misterdrumz

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The quiet ones are the ones to watch. Bayern haven't said a word - yet.

Kidder

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17 Jul 2013 11:07:45
Any new on Erisken? Are we really interested or is it all media-generated gossip? {Ed052's Note - Look, if you read the posts, or used the search engine, you'd know the answer if that we are interested}

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17 Jul 2013 11:06:45
Hopefully this Rooney to Chelsea for Mata/Luiz and £10m will be the lead transfer story now!

Sick of the media stirring up the Suarez transfer mess!

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Whats peoples thoughts if Chelsea came in for Suarez and offered Mata / Luiz + £10m?

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Id say to Chelsea 'Stop winding me up'

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Would take mata and 20 mil

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Wouldn't happen as neither player would move to a club without Europe. However it would be a dfficult choice, I think Mata would be the better player but David Luiz would be a great edition for our defence which would be lacking if Skrtel/Agger left!

Would be nice though!

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Mata plus 10m for Suarez, yeah, I'd go for that any day of the week.

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I'd take Mata and 10mil all day, mata was possible the 3rd best player in the prem last season

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I don't think it would happen to be fair. That being said i'd take it all day. Mata is the type of player who could get us top four

I know people argue Suarez is but he's also likely to carry on getting bans and dragging the name of LFC through the mud.

And as Ed52 has said it would be good to watch him attract unwanted attention to another club.

Just my opinion.

PK

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I see both Mata and Luiz as 20 million players so for me it would be a no! 20 mill plus Mata would be very interesting, I'm staggered Mourinho doesn't want him!

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Suarez for mata and luiz, no cash!

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I would bite their arm sorry ear, no sorry I mean hand off.

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Id be very happy with that :)

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10 million + mata for Suarez.I would even pay for Suarez taxi fair

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Why would Chelsea sell Mata he was one of their best players.

Red raj

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Mata £20m you must be having a laugh? Mata straight swap would be a great deal for us but Mata would have no interest anyway. I think unbiased opinions had Mata equally as good as Suarez last season and you don't get all the baggage, etc with him.

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Mata for suarez with no cash would suit me, I think he's absolute class. a more matured version of coutinho. To have both would be amazing! Although Mata wouldn't even consider us at the minute

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Mata is Chelsea's best player and Rooney is nowhere near the standard of Juan. I was very impressed with David Luiz at the CONACAF tournament but the Prem seems to fast paced for him which means he tackles late and dangerous. I would take Mata in any deal for Suarez even a straight swap but Chelsea are only valuing Mata at 20 million which is a bargain considering all of the inflated transfer fees this summer.

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Not going to happen so why waste time dreaming about it.

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Yeah and then Alderweireld in for these extra funds!

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17 Jul 2013 11:05:14
Ed, don't you think If we would have bought Alonso last summer with around 10 mill for a 30 year old player, we would have been in the CL? {Ed052's Note - no}

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17 Jul 2013 11:04:19
Mata and 15 million for suarez would do it for me now things may heat up

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Maybe Suarez + £5m-10m for Luiz and Mata - that would do it for me!

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I would love and I mean seriously love mata to come to us but just think how hard it would be too see suarez at chelski

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Try to be a little less biased lads, Mata would be more like a straight swap for Suarez - equally as good last season and without all the baggage. Can't see him having any interest anyway

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How many players have left Liverpool, thinking they can better themselves elsewhere. only to flop!
Torres. Owen etc. come to mind.
I think the same will happen with Suarez. hope so anyway!

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The thing with Suarez going to another EPL club is he will only go and get himself in further trouble and we will look for afar and think thank god he isn't at LFC.

With Chelsea and City's he also probably won't get the support he gets at LFC and I think he wouldn't hack it so after a season or two he will be off to Europe to Real, Barca or one of the rich french clubs.

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Lol Owen was fading when he left, Torres was a shadow of his former self. LS is just starting to peak so let's not pretend leaving Lpool will be the same, never known Lpool fans to be so pathetic.

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17 Jul 2013 11:03:56
Dear Eds, I have been told that Ian Ayre sometimes goes to sleep and occasionally visits the toilet. Does this mean that he isn't doing transfer business during these times? What sort of club are we running here? It just shows a total lack of ambition.

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Nice one!

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Whilst attending to a number 2 I am sure he will be on his smart phone . we play Angry Birds, he negotiates multi-million pound deals.

Number 1s . bluetooth headset.

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17 Jul 2013 11:01:24
Ed. Mng. Great site.
I want your opinion. You think Napoli would be a threat in the upcoming CL and in the Domestic League.

They have bought Mertens, callegio, and Raul Albiol from Madrid and they are in Negotiation with Higuain as their president confirmed.
They are also in advance negotiation with Diamio.

Thats a serious business with the amount they got 54 mill from one single person. {Ed052's Note - Harry, this is the Liverpool page. Perhaps you should try the European page? And they will do very well in Europe, yes, but whether they can sustain it in the league I don't know}

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17 Jul 2013 10:42:08
some people seem to be clinging to the hope of suarez staying I just don't get it . why would anyone want him to stay? one minute they say about how we belong at the top because of our great history and in the next breath say we should keep a player that makes a mockery of that history by dragging the club through the gutter, yes he is a good player but good is all he is as imo he isn't great nor does he play the game as a Liverpool player should, how many goals do you think fowler would have scored with the same amount of chances suarez gets, our team now create a boat load of chances and I think we will be a more rounded team without him, look at the strikers that have left our club over the years, we have replaced them all and we will again. Have some faith and relax, we haven't won the title in 20 odd years so why everyone expects a manger to do it in his first few seasons is beyond me, surely we can all see an improvement and that maybe for the first time in a long time we are building a solid team that can all play a certain way. I think we are becoming stronger as a club both on and off the field and surely this is what all lfc fans want, you can't blame suarez for wanting to leave as that's his right but everyone can see he has no respect for the club, fans or staff and i'm sorry but that's not the sort of person that takes football clubs forward.

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You don't get it do you? We desperately need CL football. Without Suarez we are going 3 years back. This means no CL football for at least another 3-4 years. Wake up. It is our "pride" and the "Liverpool way" that keeps us far from constant trophies.
We need to sustain our progress. Loosing Suarez = no progress.
When Ronaldo wanted to leave United did you see Red Nose wanting to get rid? Or their fans wanted him gone?

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Its not just the goals he scores, its the chances he creates that is going to be missed. But, even though suarez is a great player I would gladly see that back of him and move on. he is not irreplacable.

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You're going to hate me for saying this, but Ronaldo scored twice as many as Suarez did, and he didn't make such a mess of the press.

Alex

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Crewdog why weren't you fans who are now slating Suarez because he wants to leave posting all this nonsense when he was signing a new contract?

You are acting like the rest of the children when you post crap like this.

Luis was never dragging our club through the mud when he was carrying us through games, Kenny and the players wearing those tshirts etc was bad, Where were all you "fans" then?

This isn't about the clubs image its about pathetic fans who can't understand why he would leave Lfc.

Gerrard went to leave twice and fans like you spouted all the same crap back then, fickle the lot of you.

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Unless I missed it we have remained as far away from CL football as we have ever been with Suarez in our team. Said it before and will say it again. Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez, Downing. Mainstays in our team finishing 6th, 7th & 8th. You can blame Allen if you want but my hunch is that this lot aren't as good as we think. Brendan knows this and it's the end (or the beginning of the end) for Reina, Skrtel, Enrique & Downing. Suarez is a different story but it'll be Rodgers Liverpool within 2 transfer windows and there'll be casualties. I don't think Lucas is as secure as some believe. We've had lots of overpaid and under performing players for too long now.

Kidder

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17 Jul 2013 10:41:42
Hello Ed,
not LFC related but please answer this.
Just saw Ben Smith report Chelsea offered Man U David Luiz or Juan Mata + 10 million for Rooney. Is it true?
I mean a qaulity player + money for ROONEY. I can't spot laughing at the moment. They really are rubbish at transfers.

Can they please come in for Suarez
I would take Luiz and Mata and no money for Suarez. {Ed052's Note - If it is true, it is crazy. I'd expect Rooney and 20/30m for Mata, and 10m for Luiz. Perhaps we could do a straight swap with Chelsea for Mata (and Suarez), or maybe they'd like to give us some dosh too?}

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That would be a massive step down for Mata & Luiz, can`t see them being up for maybe a top 8 challenge imho!

Much love

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They usually pay well over the odds for our players so 70m please, Abramovich

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I heard Mata plus 10m for Rooney. Not sure which is more bonkers - that it was offered or that it was rejected.

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If you were boss of Chelsea in FM the Chelsea board would block that kind of offer - not even possible in games never mind real life £20m plus Mata haha!

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Ed, how much are you valuing Mata at? Rooney is quality! {Ed052's Note - Says the chairperson of the Rooney fan club}

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17 Jul 2013 10:35:52
Hi Eds,

Not really transfer related but just wondering with Carra retiring and Reina on the move, who will become the vice captain after Stevie? {Ed052's Note - Agger or Toure}

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Toure would you stop

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Toure has all the attributes of a leader so why not, only thing he is only here and I would like to see a player that's been wearing the shirt for a while but hey that's just my opinion and I guess it really doesn't matter who gets it.

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Got a feeling its toure, he pictured in all BRs chats with stevie in training

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Lucas would be the guy for me and bring the young spanish speaking lads into the fold.

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Lucas speaks portuguese

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Lucas better not be, he is absolute garbage, toure for me

majestic69 {Ed052's Note - Are you actually having a laugh, or maybe my calendar on my phone isn't working? How is Lucas garbage. He epitomises Liverpool. He loves the club, works his socks off. He is the most successful tackler in the league year after year, and has been lined up as the future Brazilian captain. They love him over there, and you say he's garbage!?}

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17 Jul 2013 10:17:31
Hi eds and reds,
just wanted to make a point about something I read earlier, if Suarez goes it frees up 120K a week wages so let's go in and offer it to higaun, whilst he's a good player and in an ideal world that's an easy thing to do, free this up spend it there, thing is for sometime now we have worked on sorting the stupidly overpaid players either out of the club or into more bonus related contracts.

if we've done that for the reasons we have then why would we make someone who has no premier league experience and may not necessarily make it, one of our highest paid players when our loyal servants, Agger, Lucas, even some of the younger ones who have fought to prove themselves, ie Sterling had offers before signing when he turned 18, Reina been faithful thus far, what does it say to these players, we complain about certain players being disloyal but if we bring in players who are second third highest paid in the squad before they even prove themselves then we're guilty of hypocrisy, some teams can pay stupid money for everyone they sign, we can't, so we shouldn't make exceptions regardless as it sends out the wrong message to the rest if the team, you play well and prove yourself, overtime you will be rewarded with a better deal, but prove yourself first, if that means we miss out on certain mercenaries then so be it.

WelshScouse

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Why is Higuain the flavour of the month?
He's not going to fit into a Rodgers team.
Good player, don't get me wrong.
But not for us I feel.

It's a very interesting transfer window all round though.

The Juicer

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17 Jul 2013 11:01:02
whoever gets higuain will be getting at least 20 goals a season its a good signing if we can do that and 20m.

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Benteke would cost less to buy and on lower wages plus he has a year experience in the prem and has put in a transfer request. He would be my choice.

Ynwa

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17 Jul 2013 10:12:29
Hi eds,

BR mentioned that he was now looking to strengthen the first team, now that he is happy with the squad. Yet not much seems to be happening.

I realise that we are a lot better at keeping things quiet these days, but something always tends to leak from the other clubs. Do you know if we are actively looking at players? And do you think further signings will be made before the start of the season?

I have looked through the search and all I see is posters asking about particular players.

Cheers
SA {Ed052's Note - What do you mean theres not much ''happening''. BR made those comments about 3-5 days ago, so what do you expect. We are two weeks into the window, and have 6 left. Your more than a bit impatient Of course we are actively looking at players, and of course signings will be made before the season ends.}

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Ed according to you how many players does the squad need and how many will we buy?
I reckon the 1st team needs a quality RW (Munian) and a LW (Bernard) or CAM (Eriksen or Pjanic) depending on where Coutinho plays.
And the squad needs a Coates replacement - most probably Illori
a back-up LB as enrique seems to be injury prone {Ed052's Note - If we get a LW, we wont need a CAM. Enrique isn't injury prone at all, far from it. he just isn't good enough}

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Clearly part of the X-Factor generation - want's success and wants it yesterday.

In BR we trust.

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Bit harsh on the Enrique, and generous on the Downing, assessments there ed052!
Enrique has been better value for money imo.
The Juicer {Ed052's Note - Yes, he has Juicey. But he isn't good enough. Downing isn't first choice, so that's OK (although we overpayed). Enrique is first choice}

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I think, and hope, Enrique is going to surprise a lot of people this season. Genuinely think the guy is underrated, but has shown glimpses of what he's capable of, his goal against Swansea and his assist for Suarez against Newcastle particularly stand out, but his link up play with Coutinho looked promising in the latter half of the season as well.

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17 Jul 2013 10:06:35
Don't know if it has been seen already in UK, but for all that enjoy and for those who deslike Luis Suarez, please laugh a little with this ad for South America.
Here's the version with the english subs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeihatAEk0g

Maybe he's trying to try a different attitude and laugh himself about the things he dislikes about press and try to settle back into LFC? hope this could be true.

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Don't know whether he's trying to show a different attitude or prove anything. but it's funny. Thanks for the post.

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Its a funny add, thanks for putting it up, but like every thing else he does he will get stick for it saying he is trying to prove something, its just a funny add, loved the part where he dived :))

mickey b

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17 Jul 2013 10:04:53
So as of now, is ilori the only player that we have genuine interest in? Cheers {Ed052's Note - No. There's a difference between having an interest and negotiating}

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So who do we have interest in? {Ed052's Note - Are you taking the p*ss?}

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He got you ed ;)

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17 Jul 2013 09:51:36
Hi Ed, Good work by the way. Any truth in the rumours were in for Jorginho and Bernard? also regarding Suarez.I find it strange if he wants to leave so badly why he hasn't handed in a transfer request either!I think there maybe a slight possibility of him staying until the January transfer window but we will see. {Ed052's Note - Jprginho we have interest, Bernard we HAD interest, and as far as I am aware, it hasn't been re-ignited. He wont hand in a TR so he makes 2m}

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Personally I think Liverpool will do the same with Suarez as they did with Torres, and that's to tell him if he wants out then he has to put in a transfer request and if the right offer comes in then a sale will happen if not he will stay.

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17 Jul 2013 09:43:59
Ian Ayre has gone on the tour to Indonesia, does that mean its unlikely we'll see any transfer activity until we're back? Thanks. {Ed052's Note - No, of course it doesn't}

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No internet access, no mobile phone coverage, no airports to jump on a plane to fly to chat with a player over in Indonesia?

Come on, this is the 21st century we live in, not 18th!

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17 Jul 2013 09:36:22
ath Madrid have put a bid in for santi cazorla. sounds very strange. but if its true is good news for us.

Ynwa

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17 Jul 2013 09:28:30
Hope we are in for Bernard- saw him in confeds cup and he brought creativity and speed to the attack when he came on- and watching the reds will be just like watching brazil

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17 Jul 2013 09:27:55
eds are we really interested in benard? its in the telegraph today and they don't usually make stories up. if we could get him, swap suarez for higuin and 15 mill then get erikson I would be more than happy! {Ed052's Note - Yes, why not throw ROnaldo and Messi in there too}

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The best case scenario would be Suarez, Downing, Assaidi and Spearing leave bringing in around 50 million and we spend that buying Bernard, Munian, Christian eriksen. All realisitc and would improve the squad.

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17 Jul 2013 10:38:12
so we get near 50m say on suarez the other 3 will go for a combined fee of about 5m thankfully your not in charge.Tommy Irish Red

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17 Jul 2013 09:09:06
Hey eds,
Have we made an approach for Bernard?
Really hope so he's so good {Ed052's Note - No}

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17 Jul 2013 09:04:36
Suarez, downing, Coates leave. Would erikson, Bernard and ilori be better? Hell yesssss!

But eds can we sign these three do you feel?

Red 3:16 {Ed052's Note - I doubt it}

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Reportedly Downing has refused West Ham who were willing to offer 7-8 million pounds. Looks like we are stuck with him.
I don't know why this is happening to us our best player wants out and the one we want out doesn't want to leave. {Ed052's Note - Downing hasn't refused to go to WH, and anyway, whats wrong with being 'stuck with him'. He is a good, hardworking player}

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Ed do you honestly think Downing is a player capable of playing for a team aiming for top 4?
I am feeling really worried at the moment we have bought decent players but no gem. At the same time teams like Swansea and even Villa have bought good. At present I reckon if all the players we have play really well throughout the season we at best will finish 6th or 7th. {Ed052's Note - We need squad options, and Downing is a good, reliable option. We can't replace every player in one window}

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If Downing continues the way he was playing in the second half of the season then he is worth keeping. If he says he is ready to fight for his place then this is only good. We don't need to get rid of him.
There are other many more players who we need to sell i.e Coates, the Dwarf and Pacheco to name a few and most probably Reina needs to be shipped away as he isn't one for the bench and his salary is high.

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Well said ed052, Downing will be staying, he is a good player and as you said works extremely hard for the team and allows Johnson to do what he does best

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17 Jul 2013 11:09:34
downing went from being in the envelopes to being 1 of r more consistent players and I think brendan really drummed it into him what it means to wear the most famous club shirt in english football.Tommy Irish Red

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I agree with Ed052 here, there are 'fans' who seem to want 11 new players for the 1st team and sorry, that just won't happen!

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One of the things that really annoys me about Downing is the fact that he didn't start working hard until he was told find a new club back in November - I like players like Henderson who may start poorly but you can see they're busting their balls to do their best, Downing wasn't. He frustrated me so much he was lazy for ages.

Yes he improved but we shouldn't have to threaten to sell him to get him running. I still don't think he's enough of a threat going forward. Without Europe as well I think we could afford to sell him without replacing him and we'd have enough cover. (assuming a starter is signed for LW)

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17 Jul 2013 08:55:04
Hearing Suarez to Napoli, Bernard and Eriksen top targets and Marquinhos to PSG which will pave the way for Sahko to move here.

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17 Jul 2013 08:54:06
Ed if Real Arsenal don't match Liverpools valuation, could Suarez have a change of heart and accept to stay on for another year once he joins up with the squad the in far east? {Ed052's Note - Look, LS will go}

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Ed052's wish. I believe he won't go this year because I don't see any team ready to pay 40m+ {Ed052's Note - Perhaps you could put a name to your post so we can see who is right at the end of the window?}

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No problem Ed

Luis Suarez

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17 Jul 2013 08:17:02
I was wondering if we got xabi alonso would he play as a defensive midfielder alongside gerrard with another CAM in front such as coutinho or would xabi play along side lucas with gerrard as CAM

any replies would be appreciated

moholiv {Ed052's Note - Xabi would sit with Lucas, with Gerrard pushing up}

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17 Jul 2013 08:10:03
Hey Ed's and fellow poster's,

Lots of speculation at present about funds available and possible players leaving and joining the club, I am amazed by the amount of money being splashed about by the club it shows real intent on moving the club forward. Although I know many will critique this post saying were not spending enough on star players that can impact on the first team straight away, BR goal/target was to re-establish the club in the top 4 initially and obviously push on for the league, this is a long term project and anyone thinking we will be doing this next season are surely miss-guided.

Not saying that I don't want for us to win the league next season but in terms of squad strength we are not yet in a position where I believe we can challenge. BR has stated he wants x2 world class players for every position, we are far from realising this plan and with natural attrition we will struggle to attract and keep top players without CL football.

In terms of player additions to the club we have done fantastic (in my view) of bringing in some real talent not just in this window but in particular with Sturridge and Countinho last season, I would like to see that stats on average age per squad we must be averaging 23 now, which is a young team with plenty of room for development and growth.

I get miffed at all the negativity towards the club (if we don't buy this /that player we don't deserve to win anything) sack BR, sell this player he's garbage.people really need to get a grip.

Stand up and get behind your club YNWA do all the negative fans actually know what this means?

Enough of my rant :)

Jules

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Good post Jules. totally agree. get behind Brendan and the club lads. progress is steady and the majority of us see the effort and improvement.
we don't want a suga-daddy

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17 Jul 2013 06:13:13
The Post is dedicated to one Stevie G.
According to me he is by far the best Liverpool player in the premier league era.
From his toddler days, he wanted to play for LFC, and will do so till he retires.
According to me Without him we won't have won 2005 Champ Final or the FA cup year after.
Okay people suggest he was close to joining Chelsea twice, but HE DID NOT, he had a choice but did not take it, and I won't blame him for asking extra money as he single hadedly sometimes carried the team, and we were literally making more money due to him being in the Team.

Please Note : I still believe JC is upthere if not better then SG in terms of repect he deserves :)

Salute to SG to be included in 1 Man club Hall of Fame.

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More hypocrisy I see.

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17 Jul 2013 05:21:51
why there is a video of Manchester United tour on this page? {Ed052's Note - It'll go on your search history....}

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It's a comedy performance of Man United losing their last match to the mighty Singha All-Stars. Watch it and laugh out loud.

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17 Jul 2013 04:04:26
Reports saying we have approached Atletico Mineiro for Bernard, any truth to this?
Thanks

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16 Jul 2013 16:16:49
Hi eds
Just wondering from the look of the squad that has been selected to go out on your today do you think it shows what players are looking at getting a chance in the first team this year? By this I just mean some young players who should be starting to look at pushing towards first team squad havnt got a place, players like teixeira, pelosi, sama, adorjan, Morgan (if he isn't on loan), McLaughlin, jones, ward, yesil (if fit), coady. I know some of these are younger but just wondering are they likely to get a chance after te tour do you think?
Cheers
Alex YNWA {Ed052's Note - Well, I found out yesterday that McLaughlin, Morgan, Sama, Adorjan and Yesil are available for loan. So that's one thing. I am surprised that some haven't had a chance, but maybe they will in later friendlies. I'm also disappointed they haven't had the chances, but BR has shown, players who do well in the reserves will get a chance at senior level, so they all will get a chance to impress}

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Mclaughlin and yesil to players in like expecting a big future for them

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Interesting Ed052. Yesil is just back from a very serious injury and I would have thought he would be carefully monitored in the reserves this season with an appearance or two late in the season.

Also, do you know whether Adorjan went to FC Groningen for a trial?

The real AG {Ed052's Note - I heard a rumour about Adorjan but am not sure.}

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Cheers ed that's very interesting, was also very disappointed about the lack of youth on the tour and instead takingn players like spearing assiadi and trying to take Pacheco but maybe just trying to shift them and give the younger players a go later in pre season, hope so anyway
Cheers

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17 Jul 2013 01:14:04
Ed's, it's doubtful, but if arsenal do indeed offer 37.5 million, and Suarez submits a transfer request, what are our options? Can we tell him he has to stay put? Or do we have to sell? And if we then have to sell can we say, fine, but only to a club outside the premier league. Also, I know it would never happen, but the higuain plus 10 million for Suarez is our best option. I highly rate higuain for one. But maybe more importantly, it's a huge blow I arsenal because they lose out on two of their rumours transfers in one deal.

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We don't have to sell for another 3 years. Ball is in our court.

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Suarez wants to leave, Liverpool want to move him on, we are just waiting to maximize our return on him so we can move for other targets. (I'm not saying we need the money from him to be able to, but pointless adding more attacking options until it's more definite, plus wages I expect come into play to some degree). Regardless of whether he ends up handing a transfer request or not (although ideally he will re the 5% he'll be due), he'll will be going. Again ideally, it will be to as club outside of the Premier league, but in my opinion, if Arsenal, Chelsea, whoever come in with an offer close £40m we'll accept (he is only one player and will not alter any clubs fortunes single-handedly ), then it's up to any other cub that are interested (if there are any), to match it, and up to Luis to decide from those clubs where he would prefer to go. He obviously feels at this point in his career he deserves to be playing a the "top" level of football (i.e. competing for titles/playing in the CL), which is why I would be incredibly surprised if Higuain would be part of any equation. As for Arsenal, we shouldn't even be considering the consequences of them getting or losing their targets whatever happens, it's about Liverpool FC and what is the right thing for Liverpool FC. At the present time that is moving DF Suarez away from the club for as much as we can get for him, and using the money wisely to continue the re-building project that is currently taking place and for the long term future of LFC.

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17 Jul 2013 00:22:55
I'm not advocating for this to happen and i'd rather give penguins to Geoffrey Boycott even Stevie Wonder can see that Wayne Rooney would improve any team on the planet. On his day he's pretty much unstoppable. All the Rooney detractors see that he's played for out two arch rivals and confuse this with his footballing ability. The boy is good and some days he's excellent. If Rogers signed him tomorrow there would be schoolgirl type hysteria during a 1 Direction concert on this site.

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Actually, Rooney is one of the most overrated footballers in the world right now.

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Yes, on his day he is unstoppable no body can take away that he is a truly brilliant footballer on his day. I would say though that the last few season his good days have been becoming more sparse and he seems to be fading into United rather than his brilliance standing out. He seems to have found it hard to have one season where he is consistently performing throughout the season he always seems to have one good half a season and the other half he disappears.

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No mate, 1 day every 2 seasons perhaps? He shinned that overhead kick! Ask most united fans, the real ones and a majority wanted him out for a while now. Not only this, all he does is throw strops! Also Carroll is unplayable on his day too

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Tea Lady, your comments are highly accurate but frozen in a time warp from two year's ago . Rooney has been dreadful for some time now, Fergie saw it and Moyes is desperate for him to leave .

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Man U are missing a trick with him. Along with SG he's the best footballer England have produced since Gazza. The best option is to drop him back into midfield - it would make them much stronger.
Hope Moyes doesn't realise that and sells him overseas
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Stop this Rooney talking for once!
1. He plays for MU. There is no trading between MU and Liverpool.
2. He played for Everton. He has absolutely no good feelings for Liverpool. He spoke various times to the press, how much he hated Liverpool. He is definitely not the person Liverpool wants.
3. If he signed for us, wouldn't this mean he lost his dignity completely? Wouldn't this also mean we lost our dignity as well?

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17 Jul 2013 00:12:26
Hello edds. I know and understand your probly sick aand tired of answering questions on saurez, but I have read three completely different rumours today, firstly "madrid are prepared to offer higuian plus 10 million" secondly "bayern would be willing to offload shaquiri plus 20 million for saurez" and finally "Liverpool will refuse all offers to keep him for at least one more season". I'll understand if you don't want to answer another question regarding saurez but I was just curious to know which of the three would you say is more likely to happen if any? Also is there any genuine rumours that might happen regarding players coming in or out that you could share please.

Thanks lfc-freemo {Ed002's Note - We live for this stuff man.}

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17 Jul 2013 00:00:53
Could arsenal be bidding for Suarez to get real Madrids attention so that they let higuan go to arsenal on the cheap to fend of competition for Suarez? {Ed002's Note - No.}

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16 Jul 2013 23:54:34
The times and the telegraph are reporting that Liverpool are monitoring Bernard. Both are reliable so there must be something in it!

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Reliable? Ye ok lad

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You need to bare in mind the wording.
Even I've been monitoring Bernard, Ronaldinho, Messi and Iniesta. Doesn't mean rubbish atm because the headline uses a safe word 'monitoring'.

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Spurs are waiting on a reply from bernard! If he says no?, which they expect as he favours porto over anyone?, then they may make a move on erickson? Who funnily enough is waiting on them!

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Those two papers are reliable! The guardian and the Echo can also be trusted. The guy is right.

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16 Jul 2013 23:51:20
What players do you think will join Liverpool this window? For example like if Liverpool announced they had signed 4 players and will be announced tomorrow, who do you think it would be?

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Its these pointless posts that really get to me

billynwa

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Aspas, Alberto, Toure and Mignolet

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16 Jul 2013 21:16:50
I'm back Eds, have you missed me?

Neilp {Ed002's Note - We sent out search parties.}

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16 Jul 2013 23:38:44
Not posted in ages but still check the site atleast 4 times a day. Why is it so boring now same questions evrey single day calm down lads let's just leave the suarez bashing alone and wait until it unfolds itself. And I actually came on just to say I can't wait to see sturrige and aspas switching upfront I think we have found a gem in aspas. he will do verey well with the extra talent he has around him compared to what he was working with at celta vigo. I think he will bag 15 goals plus this season and will assist plenty more. I cnt help but think we are not that far away maby 1 or 2 signings and get this team to grow up together will make them a unit just like barca they will play as a team and play for each other. P.s not sorry for the long post haha peace out real reds STEMLOCC1

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16 Jul 2013 23:28:23
Check out the suarez advert it is funny

randy Watson

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17 Jul 2013 00:40:58
i still want him to go but have to admit the ad is proper funny.well it made me chuckle

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It's hilarious. Was waiting for him to bite the guy next to him though!

RedKopite

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Id have punched him as soon as he knocked my keyboard.

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At least he's wearing a red tie - must mean he's off to Arsenal then!
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Quality ad maybe me gain a little more respect for him you realise he ain't such a bad guy just doesn't care about anything proper nut job

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16 Jul 2013 23:17:03
Eds, realistically, are we going to actually sign a better quality of player than the ones we already have signed this summer? Starting to feel pretty pessimistic about our chances. Thanks. {Ed001's Note - is that in your opinion better or in reality? Stop whining for heaven's sake!}

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How can you judge the quality of any of our new signings. They have only played one match. Just because a player is well known doesn't necessarily mean he is better than players who are not as well known.

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Why are you pessimistic?

Mignolet (one of top 4 keepers in Prem) to cover departure of Reina or great strength in GK dept
Toure is younger and has won titles so a great replacement on a free for Carra who of course we received no fee for
Aspas kept his team up single handedly and provides pressure for Downing spot and insurance should Suarez go
Alberto clearly rated as better versatile attacker than Shelvey and one deal paid for the other. So what's your problem? Right now we're stronger and have spent 3m net. We're waiting for a Suarez bid, Napoli to start spending their Cavani money and English clubs are going to wait to see if they can get players like Coates, Downing on the cheap because we want cash to get our targets. Suarez and Skrtel or Downing deals would finance all the players we want I'd imagine.

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16 Jul 2013 23:12:27
Seems funny how so many strikers have moved or want to move lately. Suarez, benteke, rooney, ibra, cavani, villaetc etc. hopefully the rooney story will over take the suarez one for a while.

Ynwa

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16 Jul 2013 23:07:09
Honestly, if it was down to some fans we would have a new team every summer and January! What Rodgers is trying to do is build a team that has plenty of depth. We should be more focused on adding depth rather than selling people as some suggest to do on this site! People just can't be happy with the players we have, we need to give Henderson a chance and other players like that! As for the new signings, I'm really excited as we have aquired great technical players who play our way! Some are slating them before they've pulled on a shirt! I don't think many predicted how well Coutinho was going to do so just give them a chance and let's hope for a great season!

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Even lack wilshier page United won the league last year because a there squad

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16 Jul 2013 23:06:22
Evening eds.

Cavani £55m, Illaramendi £34m, Fernandinho £30m, Suarez reportedly Liverpool want £40m.

I'm sorry but this is crazy.

Suarez is Uraguays all time leading scorer, was probably the best player in the prem last year and scored 30 goals.

Suarez should cost at least in the same region as Cavani/Falcao!

£50m or don't bother asking is what we should say. For god sake, we got £50m for a broken Torres. Suarez is coming into his peak years!!

I know he's said this and he's said that but we shouldn't get our pants pulled down! He's contracted for another 3yrs, we should be demanding the price WE want.

Rant over, it's just doing my head in seeing these players going for big money and us getting unrealistic (in today's market) offers for Suarez.

Thanks,
Mr T {Ed001's Note - you seem to have forgotten that he must have the most time out of the games with bans in European football over the last 3 seasons. His price will be badly affected by that. I don't understand why people think he is worth such ridiculous amounts when he spends a third of a season watching.}

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It's over 50m what Liverpool want!

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What a very untrue statement to make Ed001, talking out your 'Arse'nal there mate.

He didn't miss that many games last season. and no matter what he has said has he ever, ever not given his all while in a Liverpool shirt?

and if you talk about diving and cheating, he does it for Liverpool. agree its in his nature but its for his cause, being. to win for his team.

Cavani will always come second in Uruguay, and he hasn't out performed Suarez in his career and although Suarez comes with baggage why should there be a £15MILLION gap in the asking price? {Ed001's Note - he missed a few at the end of the season, and would miss 6 more if he stayed next season. You are the one talking out of your backside. Typical fanboy nonsense. Suarez is a ball hog, he wastes almost every chance he creates, he cheats, whines, creates off field problems all the time and yet you are still here talking him up. Cheating is cheating, I don't care if it is in his nature, it is still wrong and not a desire to win, but a desire to win at all costs. That is not how it should be and I fear for anyone who thinks that is ok. Suarez comes with enough baggage to sink a battleship, he is lucky he has enough ability to justify anyone, let alone top clubs, wanting him at all.}

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You've answered your own question a bit. Players are worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Right now, pretty much everyone in the world knows that for ~40M Suarez is there for the taking. There are about what, 8-10 teams that could afford this and yet thus far there have been no takers. So, this must mean that realistically while you think Suarez is the 'best player in the premier' others must disagree with that assessment otherwise surely someone other than Arsenal would have been in for him by now? I think we'll end up settling for 35-40M (and hopeful get a transfer request out of the nugget in the process) and I see no chance of anyone bidding anywhere near Cavani's price for him because I simply don't think anyone would pay that for him because he isn't worth it to them.

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People keep saying he misses x amount of games through bans but other strikers miss the same if not more through injuries which Suarez never gets so I don't think it should knock down our asking price

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The best solution is for the club to persuade him to stay. This is where experience and man management are imperative. Yes, he's been acting like a complete tw*t, but I am sure that every LFC supporter in their heart wants a player of his talent to stay. Let's see really how good the likes of BR an Ayre are in man management in dealing with this over the summer. The easy option is to try and sell him to the highest bidder.
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Ed001

i agree with everything you have said, I only take issue with the cheating part. EVERYONE cheats and cheats delibarately. Bale jus swept the football awards including the one for recievng the most yellow cards for diving. but he is a great footballer being hyped for 60-80 million easy. This perception that British players play the game with honor compared to guys like suarez is pure rubbish. yes suarez has mental issues (biting for ffs), but when it come sto cheating he is no better or worse than anyone else in the league. Its jus when he does it (diving) its made bigger than let's say when rooney does it.

jaybee {Ed001's Note - he is worse than a lot of players and better than others, but that still doesn't mean it should be accepted.}

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Ed001 just a question for you if suarez that is goes to arsenal do you think it will make them a lot stronger and harder for us to break in to the top 4? {Ed001's Note - no, quite the opposite. He is disruptive, his play is disruptive to the team too. He would tie up a lot of money they could use to strengthen the team, with little actual effect to them. It would actually be good for us, imo.}

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Well as a Liverpool fan in well and truly hope your right ed001 if he left ended up like torres it would be grate but if he ended up like RVP were screwed

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Some of you talk utter rubbish. If you think Luis is nuts then thank God you lot never got to see some of our greats play.

I saw Souness break a romanians jaw in a European game and there was no fuss, LS is our player, remember YNWA?

Stop acting like persons because he is having doubts, the same as Gerrard did.

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16 Jul 2013 22:55:34
Please stop linking us with Shrek. We don't want him anywhere near the club and the feeling is mutual. Sometimes I've got to question some of the fans on here, Suarez is a c*** and the fact he's world class doesn't matter because he obviously wants to leave for trophies so let's shoot the guy, yet you want Rooney who you all know HATES the club HATES the fans but that's ok because he's a top player?

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Don't worry mate, we won't be getting Rooney. We will not even contemplate him.

MUSHROOM

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