Liverpool Banter Archive January 17 2014

 

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17 Jan 2014 22:50:18
I was in Salamanca (Spain) doing a course to learn Spanish with my school for a week. I stayed with a lovely old woman, Emi. She was well into her football and a big Real Madrid fan.
Anyway, one day over dinner ther radio was on, Real Madrid vs osasuna I think. She started talking to me and my mate about what them we follow. When I mentioned Liverpool she said "ah Suarez Suarez". So she's familiar with us anyway. She was talking about how the transfer window is open now and she laughed on how Real were broke after the Bale transfer. She said the Spanish media say Liverpool are almost definitely going to take Tello on loan from Barcelona this January. She also mentioned on the Madrid players that were leaving. She said the BPL will likely be taking Coentrao, Nacho and. the big one. She said Liverpool are in with a great chance of getting Di Maria. She said, and I quote, "we have Bale now, you can have him for nothing, or if you'll give us €100m, sure!" Anyway that's just someone who lives in Spain and what she hears. Hope this was a good read for the eds and reds, and would like to hear thoughts.

Thanks

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I would love it if we could acquire Di Maria, however we have literally no chance of getting him this January I'm afraid.

I'm still hoping something can be done for either Tello or Salah, but we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

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17 Jan 2014 18:50:07
ed2 how are you? Liverpool done deal with dunkin donuts yesterday, hearing its 13m GBP a season? this correct? thanks

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{Ed002's Note - No man.}

For that kind of money they would want their name on the kit.

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Are they in UK yet? They are everywhere in us.
I bet Tom warner is involved with dunkin donuts. Sounds like they are going to be expanding into Europe soon

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{Ed002's Note - It is all tied to their launching in the UK again.}

17 Jan 2014 21:05:41
Just a thought but. Bertrand going to Villa is a good sign! Clearly the chavs see the mighty pool as a genuine rival once again! Keep up the good work BR and let's smash the villains tomorrow! 2 more from Suarez and a couple from Sturridge should do the trick.

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17 Jan 2014 20:53:10
Villa will play into out hands tomorrow they play counter attacking football we should be able to pass them out the game hopefully a couple early goals! I always panic
With us and defending set pieces though.

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On recent form it should be an easy home win (here's hoping) but Benteke will be a real threat, he has troubled us before and getting a goal last week will surely help his confidence. As you say, early goals from the reds will be the order of the day but take nothing for granted.

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17 Jan 2014 20:31:15
Eds or reds who was the player described as an absolute gem by B.R

I think he plays for melbourne victory, Really hope someone can rem his name

cheers

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Connor Pain might be the lad your thinking of, lad ran himself into the ground against us at the MCG.

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The answer to that is Jake Brimmer. Not sure what happened with him but that is who he spoke of.

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Thanks guys :)

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Marco Rojas? Went to the Bundesliga in the summer.

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It was Marco Rojas. Went to Stuttgart in the summer. He's a kiwi lad and has suffered a couple of injuries since joining them. He's a talented player but not at the level required to play for Liverpool, and I doubt there was any interest in him from us.

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Defo Rojas, but we did have interest, sent a scout before the tour match.

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Can't be Rojas, he'd already left MVFC by the time the LFC friendly was played. More likely to be Connor Pain who had a very good game.

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Marcos Rojas already left victory when we played them, the lad was Conner Paine!

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The player is Jake Brimmer. He played for Nunawading FC in Victoria and captained under-17s Australia. Scouts were sent to watch him during Liverpools Australia tour and he was reported as an 'outstanding' talent. Rogers later referred to him as having 'unearthed a real gem'. He's currently 16 but google his name and you can read about his story and his potential.

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I forgot to mention he had two trials with us before signing last year

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18 Jan 2014 19:06:09
Sorry Burkeyboy but I very much doubt we did. Ed001 and Ed02 both said they weren't aware of any interest, and both are extremely reliable.

Also having watched him since he was 17, you can tell within 5 minutes that he isn't at the required standard to play for a top end prem club. So I would very much doubt a scout would be sent to see him play. It just doesn't make any sense.

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17 Jan 2014 20:01:08
Why is it all about finances today then? Tbh that side of football is something that doesn't interest me, I love Liverpool signing the top players as does every fan, but do we really need to be so in the know about agent fees ect? All that matters is we keep picking up 3 points like tomorrow against Villa.
The squad is thin, but good enough to challenge for everything IMO

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17 Jan 2014 22:01:02
I think its to do with supporters getting stroppy because 1) we haven't signed anyone and 2) we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to throw around, hence the explanations around ffp and costs other than the fee for a player and wages. I agree with you, there are no guarantees in life but if our players can stay fit I think we have a more than decent shot at top 4. i'd rather keep the cash and wait til the summer, where we can attract players who want CL football, assuming we make the top 4 that is.

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TBH we wouldn't need anyone in AM or any other FWD positions if we had Suso in the Squad with the form that Sterling is in, probably only a good enough versatile striker like C.Vela to replace Aspas & Borini.

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17 Jan 2014 19:34:27
Off to the game tomorrow, also meeting up with Jordan Ibe before the game I'll see if I can get some info, doubt he'll no anything though!

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You're not talking about kidnapping Ibe are you? If not then fair play, be sure to post.

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Lol no he's a family friend! Will defo post if it's anything worth while

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If it's all true then just pass on our congrats and gratitude to the lad. Great player and here's hoping he stays for the longhaul

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If I could prove it I would, he's going to be a top player

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17 Jan 2014 18:41:35
I urge you guys and girls not to judge Macca or the Eds for their opinions. Things change overnight in football and Macca may have been informed that Tello would be signing but maybe Tello said yes to a Liverpool loan deal then slept on it and had a change of heart in the morning? How is this Maccas fault and his credibility as an ITK should not be diminished because of it. Macca and the Ed's do a fantastic job informing us with all the LFC related inside information, although granted there's not enough as I would like but that's a testimony of the way FSG are running the club at the moment which is a good thing as were back to the days when LFC done their business behind closed doors. If it wasn't for this website my life would be empty and the alternatives sites to get any LFC rumours don't even bear thinking about. So let's show some love for the Ed's and Macca and get back to the point were we are one big happy family again while we make that surge for top 4.

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17 Jan 2014 18:29:49
I for one am happy that we are yet to sign anyone this window. It's a statement that the club are content enough with the squad to not engage in any panic buying. If the right player was available for the right fee then I am sure we would be buying. As we all know January is always a sellers market with prices heavily inflated. We also are getting several players back into the squad after recovering from injuries. Allen, Sahko, Sturridge, Enrique all back or close to returning. That's essential 4 new signings. Keep the faith in the squad we have and trust in the info passed on by the eds. yNWA

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I wouldn't go as far as to say i'm glad but I still think top 4 is obtainable with this squad. Although I think the form of Suarez and Sturridge has covered up a lot of cracks, mainly at the back. It is strange how 3 clean sheets on the bounce at the start of the season has become donating the opposition a goal a game.

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18 Jan 2014 08:45:43
Couldn't agree more. To be there or there about at the end of the season we need to tighten up at the back. I'm finding myself self saying "oh no" when teams get a corner or a free kick anywhere near our box. We just don't defend balls into the box good enough. Definitely our week point.

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17 Jan 2014 17:56:17
Some decent looking players out of contract in the summer, Zambrano and Montoya for example, I wonder if we'd be in a position to offer them a pre-contract agreement or if we're even interested in them at all.

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17 Jan 2014 15:40:04
Hello Ed02.

I have recently read your summary of the FFPR you have put on here. I was wondering if you have any other information stored on here regarding the finances? I completely understand why you don't want to discuss them, although I was hoping to educate myself more on how the finances of the clubs work. If you have a summary already done I can search for it would be greatly appreciated, as would anything I could search for on the internet to help me grasp the general comings and goings of a football club. Obviously transfer fees are well documented, but that is pretty much it when it comes to the costs of running a club.

If this is something that you would rather not answer, I understand.

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{Ed002's Note - The day to day costs are what you would expect with staff dealing with ticketing, cleaning the ground, administration, then there is maintenance, lighting, policing, liaising with TV folk, dealing with journalists, etc. etc. etc.. This is not the forum for addressing that stuff. As for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding wages and bonuses).

Thanks Ed, interesting read.

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17 Jan 2014 19:27:54
Hi Ed02,
Thanks for the insight into transfer dealings. I have a question if you have time please.
When you say that the selling club has to pay wages/signing on fees to the departing player, would it be fair to assume that the wages paid are not for the entirety of the rest of his contract?
As an example should Liverpool sell Suarez tonight, they surely wouldn't owe him 3 years worth of wages that he had remaining in his contract?

Thanks in advance. I love the site and you're dedication. Don't let the foolish persons get you down.

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{Ed002's Note - No Jason. I think you have missed something.}

17 Jan 2014 21:44:26
Really interesting stuff on here today from you Ed02, thanks.

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17 Jan 2014 21:44:37
Ed02

Thanks for the breakdown of the costs associated with a transfer. I know you have a reluctance to talk about the financial side of the game but it is such a major factor which many of us just cannot begin to comprehend. This is obvious when most supporters consider an extra £2m on a transfer to be insignificant even though most of us will never see that amount of money in our entire lifetime.

If a transfer is reported as being £10m are these costs in addition to this amount?

If it is in addition to the fee how much could a £10m transfer typically cost?

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18 Jan 2014 19:05:37
Many thanks Ed02, I really appreciate this.

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17 Jan 2014 15:39:47
Ed02, just read the FFPR piece. Great stuff. I was only trying to lighten your workload, but I understand why you needed to edit my post.
Nigel

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{Ed002's Note - No problem Nigel.}

17 Jan 2014 15:39:30
Lads and ladys let face it, we may not sign anyone. it's very unlikely. But is that ed001 or Ed02's fault?

no. no it's not, so show some respect. stop asking the same questions and hope maybe something pops up. i'm sure Ed02 will no before we do, ed001 said it will be tough and it is so just show some respect.

the owners' recruitment team manager are working together so should we. big game against villa, let's focus on that pay back for beating us last year!

P.s ed001, Ed02 or any ed infact don't take a wage from this site, there doing it because there trying to help and because they care.
Keep up the good work lads. most reliable site I no according to other sites we signed 6 players and will sign more why because it sells better than the truth that it will be very quite this window.

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17 Jan 2014 15:37:51
Hi Eds, Many thanks for the recent updates. Although. it seems like that this transfer window has turned out to be a huge guessing game show.

With all the information at hand, and from the recent updates, what is the DEFINITE position(s) will we be adding up on.

Thanks & Good luck to our Reds for the Aston Villa game.

YNWA

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{Ed002's Note - Give me a break - "DEFINITE".}

17 Jan 2014 15:28:34
How are things between Priscilla and Rico?

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{Ed002's Note - The smell of burning pork was a big clue Chris. I am sure when time allows Sparky will make a return.}

17 Jan 2014 14:22:12
Don't you just love the transfer windows. (Minus the stick given to the Eds) I'm amazed at the number of "posters" who quote their "sources" in one breath, and in their next post they are asking the Eds for their opinion. (What happened to their own "sources")

The sarcasm from 002 is legendary and I have noticed 001 seems to be to be taking the same path (about time ). Hope you both keep it up.

I'm afraid I have no "sources" but all the same I am addicted to the site. Best site around and you don't have to make a monetary contribution, how good a deal is that. Look at certain other sites (paying sites) and the information is poor quality, by far, and often miles wide of the mark.

And of course a mention to the regular posters and those, like myself who don't post regularly, but always log in to read through the posts.

Lastly, I hate it when posters are trying to play Eds against each other and other well respected posters.

Well, rant over.must get ready to sup some pints of guinness, after all it is Friday

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I'll not name names, but there are a couple of annoyances that seem to have popped up in this window and done nothing but acted needy and pest like, in a manner as if they are almost owed a response from an editor.

I don't know if it's an on going condition we'll just have to put up with and become a custom to, as some people are in need of extra help or, if they are relatively new to the site and Earth :) and are a bit over excited by the daily grind of the January transfer gossip and that maybe they'll tone themselves down a bit and get a better handle of this rare species like gift of a website?!

Or, we just watch for when their heads explode like they were sitting next to Michael Ironside in the early 1980's. :) I think yours is a valid rant, which in my own mind if no one else's goes some way to validating my own.

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17 Jan 2014 14:22:12
Don't you just love the transfer windows. (Minus the stick given to the Eds) I'm amazed at the number of "posters" who quote their "sources" in one breath, and in their next post they are asking the Eds for their opinion. (What happened to their own "sources")

The sarcasm from 002 is legendary and I have noticed 001 seems to be to be taking the same path (about time ). Hope you both keep it up.

I'm afraid I have no "sources" but all the same I am addicted to the site. Best site around and you don't have to make a monetary contribution, how good a deal is that. Look at certain other sites (paying sites) and the information is poor quality, by far, and often miles wide of the mark.

And of course a mention to the regular posters and those, like myself who don't post regularly, but always log in to read through the posts.

Ed?, what's the hits on the site (monthly).

Lastly, I hate it when posters are trying to play Eds against each other and other well respected posters.

Well, rant over.must get ready to sup some pints of guinness, after all it is Friday

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17 Jan 2014 14:04:12
Hey Eds, I was just wondering if Liverpool or any other clubs have looked at Richairo Zivkovic from Groningen, unbelieveable prospect from what I have seen. Pace, Power and he can also finish.
Thank you in advance Eds.

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{Ed002's Note - PSG and Lille but Zivkovic is only a child.}

Suarez was only a child once also playing for Gronningen.

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17 Jan 2014 13:02:39
I know you don't like the financial questions ed although I have studied the financial regulations and would like to think I have a decent grasp on what is required although it is difficult as wages agent fees and commercial deals etc the value of these is rarely seen by the public. when you said that wages are what suck blood from the club I couldn't help but think we must be on the right track at the least?

From what you've said more recently we have been reluctant to pay rediculous agent fees and we've cut a lot of dead wood from the club who were over Payed. do you feel that if we did get CL this year we would meet the FFP without any real figures it's impossible to really say but you seem to know much more and personally I don't see how we couldn't make it although I'm sure the lack of a big stadium will obviously make a difference? A basic yes I do believe or no I do not believe would suffice?

Cheers!

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{Ed002's Note - Putting aside your use of the term "dead wood", the knife was taken to a lot of the fat when the likes of El Zhar and Degen were bought out of their contracts a the cost of one years wages each (a not insignificant €1.8M and €3.8M respectively). Joe Cole going meant that Liverpool still had much of his signing on fee to pay up but he did not make a grab for a pay-off which so many others have done. A number of fringe players moving on and some getting toward the twilight of their careers made a big difference in on-going costs when they left. So wages has been an area of improvement. What does not look good right now is Aspas, Ilori and to some extent Alberto. In the future, squad padding (depth you might like to call it) will have to come from the youngsters who are coming through, not £22M found down the back of the sofa.

Commercially the club has done well but are constrained by the lack of Champions League football - and that also reduces the income from the primary sponsors by £5M a season. The stadium makes a difference but 15k additional seats brings in considerably less net income than people realise. It is assumed many of the seats will go to season ticket holders, some will go to commercial, hospitality, boxes etc. - the figures do not look good in the short term as the debt of the stadium will need to be paid down. However, the revamped stadium will bring commercial benefits in other ways - and they will be much easier to exploit with Champions League football.

The club has rightly taken a strong stand against unreasonably high agent fees. It is clear that the club are also looking to negotiate "cheap" prices for players - but that has not been working out and feedback is not good in that respect (the detail being irrelevant).

You are on the ball that Liverpool are on the right track - but that means constraining transfer spending and starting to balance the books a little through sales.

Everyone understands that the fans crave five £30M players each window, but it is not going to happen.}

FSG could always set up a holding company though, just turn the debt to equity.
Or would it still be owed?
Who would know, who would even care?
Certainly not the fans. Or UEFA.

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{Ed002's Note - You are kidding right?}

Which part?

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{Ed002's Note - All of it.}

"Only accountants can save the world - through peace, goodwill and reconciliations".

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Ed do you think they will stick to paying cheap prices for players even if we get champions league? I'm not saying I want the club to start paying inflated prices for players I'm just curious. Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - They are looking to pay a lot less than people are asking. We will see what happens in the future.}

UKSV is the holding company, Juicer, and has already made no interest loans to Liverpool Football Club (north of 40M worth, as I recall off the top of my head). The owners have not shown any inclination of converting that debt into shares, though.

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Try Fordstam Ltd, RDL.

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Liverpool already utilised a loophole in Uefas FFP to it's advantage. FFP also takes into account subsidiaries and parents etc.

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17 Jan 2014 15:40:19
Thanks for the info Ed02, as usual well appreciated. Most of which is sensible business planning. none of us want to reach a point of spending beyond our means although some crave the £30m signings. that is why CL is important to our future. However, I wouldn't want to be in the position that CL is a Boom n' Bust scenario again as under H+G.

The fees for agents were absurd in recent years. The lower fee - well it may not work but if we truly want to sign a player, as in the case of Sakho and Llori we'll pay it, if for whatever reason we don't then we won't - it's a compromise and means we won't pay £20m for Downing again.

Personally, as I've only ever wanted is for the squad/team to be strengthened where necessary - approximately only circa 40% of signings are successful according to Tomkins so mistakes will be made - which the owners have done, we can question some of Rodgers choices. That should allow enough space for youth to be given a chance - isn't that what clubs strive for? Following on from Sterling - Ibe, Rossiter, Wilson, Wisdom, Mcclaughlin, Pelosi and Smith could all have opportunities next season. for me that would be fantastic.

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17 Jan 2014 15:40:43
Ed02, when you say 'the detail being irrelevant' are you essentially saying the club acknowledge now that the £6-£9 mill market doesn't buy you a great deal of quality. Do they honestly think they can buy a Ferrari at Skoda prices?

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{Ed002's Note - What I meant about the detail Ozone was where the feedback has come from and which players it related to. I would not want to go into too much detail about costs but the club has been offering considerably less for the, what one might call first pick players, than the selling club are looking for - and far enough away for selling clubs not to wish to negotiate. And this has been going on for some time. Cars are always good analogies. It is not so much a Ferrari at Skoda prices but perhaps a new Jaguar at three year old Jaguar prices. They have as you know put in place people to help ensure that the right decisions are taken over players - but you would be the first to point out that the return on £22M plus fees and wages for the three players I mentioned does not look good from the perspective of the owners.

Not sure what you mean, Juicer? Fordstam is Chelsea's holding company I believe, similar to UKSV (the one I mentioned) for us.

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17 Jan 2014 18:20:00
Could/will Rodgers argue that by low balling themselves out of a chance of certain players, he becomes limited in his options IE
BR wanted X and Z for the same price or thereabouts, negotiations broke off and as a result BR had to settle for A, B and C.
Or do you think this is unlikely as he chose to bring these players in regardless?
Thanks Ed.

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Cheers for the detailed reply ed it was much appreciated. I hadn't actually even thought of the 22 million for aspas Alberto and ilori and thought abouth the potential sell on. I think ilori could be worth the money the other two I'm not so sure. But as you say the "padding" at some point has to come from with in the club and the academy.

So if you don't mind me bugging you why do you feel that certainly Alberto was bought and players of his ilk when we have our own "prospects" such as rossiter is it at the time they think that the players will add more quality than what we have in our academy or is it more to do with the fear of putting in young players to early and potentially ruining them mentally. I realize ruin and fear weren't the best words to use there but I'm sure you get my drift!
Thanks again

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{Ed002's Note - It is a case of perceived value for money. Alberto is a really good player but I don't think Brendo knows what to do with him.}

17 Jan 2014 18:38:30
To your point, Ed02, that Aspas, Alberto and Ilori are expensive back-ups, I always thought Aspas was intended to be a first teamer, and indeed was until his injury - you yourself said an ex-Spanish player said he was a good signing. Alberto, as much as I like him, I accept is back-up and has a lot of work to do to become a first teamer. I seem to recall Ed001 saying that the intentions for Tiago Ilori was for him to be Mamadou Sakho's central defensive partner in a few seasons time, so he is indeed a future first teamer rather than a £7m (or thereabouts) backup. Do I have the wrong idea here? Not meaning to argue or criticise Ed, just trying to put across my view.

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{Ed002's Note - I agree a good point. The thing is that a bunch or money has gone the way of these players but they are not being allowed to step up.}

17 Jan 2014 18:39:05
Well said Ed02. Not that it will make much difference to the great unwashed on here that want to bury their heads in the sand and not deal with reality. Would you agree that Brendan has done quite well in introducing younger reserve players into the first team but maybe he can't make any mistakes in the transfer window. i'm not having a go at any player in particular but any players signed need to really contribute to the squad. It would seem to me that Brendan doesn't necessarily have faith in some of his players when we have a few injuries.

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17 Jan 2014 18:39:19
Ok Ed02, thanks for that. I couldn't agree more regarding the Aspas, Alberto and Ilori situation. Pointless acquisitions and no upgrade on what we have coming through the youth regime.

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17 Jan 2014 21:44:12
Ed02 - Thx for the summary. Are you saying that due to LFC's "lowballing" of clubs, word has got around that LFC are not good (or difficult) to do business with? Consequently, clubs are metaphorically, or figuratively, not returning their calls?

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{Ed002's Note - No. I am saying it is what it is.}

17 Jan 2014 12:40:01
Hey eds, will bertrand be available to play for the villa tomorrow? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - If his registration is completed in time, yes he will.}

We should still win even with him in their team but it will be interesting to see how well he performs if he plays of course

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17 Jan 2014 12:33:43
Ed2, I love the work you do on this site fella.
Hamper me up baby!

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17 Jan 2014 12:11:26
Hi Eds. Great job you guys are doing keeping us up to date with all the rumours. Thank you all!

This is not really a rumour, but a question. I think Cambiasso is out of contract at the end of the season. Any chance we could fancy taking a punt at him? I don't think he would cost too much, and while his wages might be high, I really think he would provide some steel and experience to our midfield.

Thanks again!

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{Ed002's Note - Plus a very significant signing on fee - I would not have thought there is any chance at all of it happening.}

17 Jan 2014 12:34:31
If lfc want to know how to run a club then they should look to chelsea. They sell matic for 3million and buy him back for 20million. Now that's how you do it. Wonder if this will get posted hmmmmmmm.

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Let's not mention Carroll eh.

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When you consider the losses from Carroll alone, we should be thinking twice about having a laugh at their expense on this one. Add in Downing, Adam, Aquilani and probably Coates and Reina plus others no doubt, maybe we are best out of it.

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Also the fact we were considering doing the same with Tom Ince, might be worth keeping in mind with these sort of comments.

At least they have got him back at a good price and probably have a lot better a player than they let leave.

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The loss on Carroll probably wasn't too bad. Players transfer fees are depreciated over the life of their contract as they are assets, not liabilities. I did the math a while back and think it was something like a 4M loss as I recall.

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Given the amount of money we have wasted on foolish transfers in the last few years, we need to avoid this topic, not laugh at other clubs.

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Hi Keith,

We also bought De Bruyne for around 6-8m and it looks likely we will be selling him on for around a 10m profit. This for a lad that has hardly featured. I wonder if Aspas or Alberto's value has increased in their time with your club?

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Lets do mention Carroll most of his fee was paid for by Chelsea from torres sale

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17 Jan 2014 12:31:16
i really rate fredy montero, I pretty sure Liverpool are not interested but if I was manager ill sell borini and aspas and bring him in. him suarez and sturridge would be amazing together

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The MLS player?

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17 Jan 2014 12:18:50
we all love to see a new player come in Liverpool, because 1. it can improve the team esp for champions league football and 2. it excite us fans! to be fair I was more excited the transfer window opened on new years than celebrating the end of 2013, but as we expect it could be a disappointed one. if we don't sign anyone in this window expect this site go manic for the reason we ain't serious enough to bring in a player.

i still believe we will be fine this year with the team we got, however jan transfer bring us the best player example garcia, alonso, suarez, coutinho, sturridge. all signed in january windows, duno why but it does.

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Garcia and Alonso were signed in August 2004, not January.

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17 Jan 2014 11:41:01
Hi Eds and All. There are always a lot of questions regarding the financial side of things. It is a incredibly complex area, which the Eds, quite rightly do not wish to comment on, as it will just lead to more questions and misunderstanding.
Nigel

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{Ed002's Note - I cut the links Nigel as it will lead to more questions. If you search this site for FFPR there is a simple summary.}

17 Jan 2014 11:25:08
Just spotted our old friend Sydney at the airport.
He was making a one way trip to Geneva :S

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17 Jan 2014 11:17:13
Look. we do not have the money that Man City or Chelsea have to spend on players. not in this window nor in the summer even if we do qualify for the champions league, we've spent poorly in the past and now we're reaping what we've sown, Its no good berating these owners and saying we need investment, its a well known fact that they've realised what an expense it is to run a premier league football club and its been a bit of an eye opener, Rodgers knows the criteria and has to work within it, we don't have 60m for one player we don't even have 30 anymore, but in the real world also I don't see why ridiculous figures like 30m for players like Luke Shaw are being shouted about on here for a fullback of all things when we have talented players the same age in reserve who are likely to come through at some point after being groomed to be a part of the squad within the financial structures we have at the club, I know we'd all like to dream about some world class players coming in but compared to last year and the improvements in a lot of players like Henderson and Sterling, Flanagan and Allen. bidum tish. are we not happy to be where we are? Sakho has been great since he got used to the prem, Mignolet has been a great signing, Suarez has signed a new deal, Sturridge is still scoring goals. Me personally i'm not worried, we're moving forward and doing ok, quit with the negativity and see what happens we used to be the best fans in the world not the biggest set of old women.
YNWA JFT96

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17 Jan 2014 10:57:19
So, Anderson is off to Fiorentina. That's another player we've missed out on. My sources tell me that he was a midfield magician.

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I was told he asked his agent to speak with us after our deal with Dunkin Donuts was announced yesterday as it would've been a perfect move for him. LOL.

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He was indeed a magician, he could go missing for years on end!

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17 Jan 2014 10:48:09
I have just looked up in the vast encyclopaedia that is Google about our transfer activity over the last 10 years. We only ever made a profit on transfers when we sold Alonso and another when we sold Fernando to Chelsea. Apart from that were making a loss each year and partly due to over paying and underselling (the likes of cisse, aquilani, diouf, robbie keane and more recently stewert downing and andy carrol). We didn't even make much off mascheranos sale or miereles who obviously were worth more than they arrived for.

I totally understand the owners thought process when they want to buy potential with sell on value. Our management has been absolutely appalling. And whether this is due to incompetence of our chairman, manager or whoever is in charge of negotiating these sales or simply rebellious players is beyond me. One things for certain, the owners are going about the right way of restoring things. We have over the past few seasons bought quality and shifted out dead wood and we finally have a first 11 capable of competing with anyone in the league, no more jay spearings, shelveys, david ngogs or raw talent like sterling and suso needed to fill up the numbers. The transformation is remarkable and steady which has helped (unlike spurs).

In brendans own words, the players are beginning to understand what he is trying to achieve and I think its about time some of the fans on here did too. He said it was a long process and the man is only in his second season. I certainly won't be upset if we don't sign anyone this January. Having said that, Salah and Jorginho/Fernando would be my pick of the bunch to help us seal the deal.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as that - the club may have made a profit on transfers the season Torres left but still made a £50M loss for the year. You need to also consider wages which suck the lifeblood from the club and how future rulings will constrain that.}

I believe we also paid very high agent fee's to

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{Ed002's Note - More than £25M over three years the last time I checked.}

Right yes can't believe I forgot the wages and them leaches out of the equation. But yeah all in all these are some of the things being addressed by those in charge and I think their on the right path. On a different note Ed do you think salah is a 'possibility' :p jk before you go all defensive aha

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We made a small bit of money on Ngog as well, I believe, as well as Shelvey. But you are entirely correct in that we need to start actually making more money on transfers out then we paid- 3 or 4 in the last several years is not a good thing.

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We need to produce our own players.

Transfer are hit and miss, an enormous drain on the club, and not a viable route for us to get back to the top. Too many clubs with more money.

In our heyday we could simply buy the best players going - Dalglish, Souness, Barnes, Beardsley, etc., Long gone.

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17 Jan 2014 10:46:26
Bertrand on loan to villa for test of the season. That's one to strike off for now.

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17 Jan 2014 10:36:24
Ryan Bertrand has joined Aston Villa on loan for the rest of the season.

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17 Jan 2014 10:34:46
Ryan bertrand has been loaned to Aston Villa for the rest of the season

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17 Jan 2014 10:30:52
Bertrand on loan to Villa! that's one LB we can cross off the list now

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17 Jan 2014 10:12:56
I would not be too disappointed if we did not sign anybody in January. If Salah does not happen I would love to see Ibe getting a chance.

Sturridge back fit is as good as a new signing, Allen back putting pressure on Gerrard for a starting place.
Then we have Enrique to come back.

Also Its really pi**ing me off seeing people slating the owners.

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Agreed. Shameful to slate the owners.

We are competing with Everton for 4th. How much have they spent, compared to us?

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17 Jan 2014 09:21:26
I think if we get CL this year we will then really see how deep FSG's pockets are. Tbh I have my doubts sometimes that is well documented on here but generally i'm happy with how things are going. It wouldn't make sense to spend loads now then miss out on CL as it could do more harm than good.

The real test will come if we do qualify as we will need 2-3 real quality players to compete.

Looking forward to our home game at villa on sat night :)

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{Ed002's Note - Do you not understand that the owners have been subsidising the club's losses at a rate of £50M up to this season? One of only two EPL clubs that have not met the FFP criteria in each of the past three years. They need to move very quickly toward balancing the books for transfers. I accept that you don't like the owners - you are one of many here that doesn't.}

Well said Ed 02, too many fans playing fifa 14 and think a quick fix is all that is needed. Liverpool just need to spend wisely and become more self funding, then we want end up like we did with the cowboys. Thanks anyway to all the Ed's for all their hard work and wit on all sites

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What specifically is causing this year in year out loss?

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{Ed002's Note - Spending more money than the club is earning.}

{Ed002's Note - You won't need to bother about me any longer then.}

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When do the rules come in and how far are we away

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to it.}

Enough said man

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17 Jan 2014 09:09:35
Ed's - I know its been said there are no fixed budgets, and they will asses a transfer at the time but if we didn't spend this window would that mean more money for the summer?

Or does it not work like that.

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{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that.}

17 Jan 2014 08:26:23
Hi Eds

Being reported Tom Ince going to Monaco on a free transfer.
I have heard managers etc say there is no such thing as a free transfer as you always end up paying somehow.
If we have a 50% sell on clause are we getting anything out of this deal to top the coffers up?

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{Ed002's Note - They will be talking of signing on fees, which is what the Ince's have been angling for. A better deal longer-term deal was offered by Ajax. There is no 50% "sell on" clause.}

Thanks for the info.
I am sure I read that there is a sell on clause somewhere maybe not 50% though.
Keep up the great work you guys do to keep us informed.

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17 Jan 2014 12:30:07
If he goes on a free how stupid has the clever Blackpool chairman been when he was offered large sums for him last year

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17 Jan 2014 08:22:33
Not a rumour, just a question for the eds.

Saw an article online (can't remember where now, but will look for it) that Liverpool should try get Cortese in at the club as he did very good work at Southampton as chairman. I know Ayre is MD at the moment, but he seems to be doing very good work on the sponsorship and endorsement side. Get Cortese in to run the club and free Ayre up to work on sponsorships and endorsements? The article made sense, but I really don't know enough about Cortese and his abilities apart from seeing the rise of Southampton in recent times.

Thoughts on him as a chairman and if it is a feasible idea? Not asking if it's possible, as I doubt it would happen, just want an opinion.

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{Ed002's Note - Fantasy management now?}

Ed001 gave a decent response to a question similar to this a day or two ago mate, you should use the search function and look it up. I think the general consensus is that Cortese would be an awesome addition to any club's staff, but wouldn't happen any time soon :-)

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17 Jan 2014 06:46:22
Eds why is the window such a long drawn out affair that seems to always result in last minute scramblings and earpiece holding by Jim on ssn?! Surely targets are planned and preliminary discussions go on with agents and players either with clubs agreement/knowledge or not.

The whole window just seems so amateurish and unnecessary. Remind us all again of the reasons it exists?! It certainly doesn't create any financial FairPlay as prices are hiked and availability is minimal unless clubs get ridiculous offers to sell and it just causes Unsettlement if app ayers head is turned but he doesn't move. Whole system doesn't work for me. In saying all that I no everyone will point out that we have done great business in previous jan windows which I don't dispute.

Thoughts appreciated

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{Ed002's Note - It works just fine. I suspect your expectations are too high about what happens in January.}

Maybe its high as we have signed the likes of sturridge, Suarez, coutinho and regrettably big flop Andy. in January over the last 3 years.

Don't think we are going to get anywhere near any of these type of signings.

Ynwa

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17 Jan 2014 03:46:54
Trying to escape the madness of the jan window, eds are Monaco really interested in Tom Ince? If so, because it is a foreign club we will get next to no money from the deal?

Do you think we will be interested come summer if he doesn't move in this window on a free? Or atleast have we been tracking him.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, they are interested. Liverpool has not shown recent interest - they had a chance in the summer.}

17 Jan 2014 03:44:39
Eds,
Been long time since I've posted here.
Need to ask your opinion.

1) DO you think Salah deal still going to happen? I expect 10M is enough to land him. With him sign, LFc actually cover winger & behind striker position which is enough.

2) Any interest from LFC for Nathaniel Clyne of Soton? The way I see it, he's young & can play either Right or Left which is good.

3) Have we ever look to Ever Banega? he's good player to compete with Lucas.


tqvm.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) Not a player we discuss. (2) No. (3) Not for a long time.}

17 Jan 2014 00:57:06
Edd002, appreciate your work on the site mate'

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{Ed002's Note - Post of the day - your hamper is on its way.}

17 Jan 2014 01:30:21
I am not saying we are or will. But if we did sign saints left-back Luke Shaw for say £30m and he stayed for 12 years and performed that long. How many left-backs could we waste £8m on every 2/3years?

Chelsea signed Cole and he lasted 10 years.

Not expecting, but just saying.

Ynwa

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We might be able to afford him in 12 years time. once Chelsea have finished with him

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{Ed002's Note - A better question would be where would the £30M come from for a left back?}

Yes, but if Chelsea lose 30m pounds then Roman misses out on another golden toothpick. He just writes it off.

If we signed a 30m pound left back and he gets injured in training and never rediscovers his form, that's a huge financial hit for us.

Chelsea can afford to take risks and A Cole paid off handsomely. We can't afford to take those risks in my opinion.

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30mil for a left back, you have to be kidding right.

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Yeah I agree, but it having that 30m right now that's the problem!

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I suppose we will never be as lucky as Chelsea or the manc twins and be able to spend £30m on defensive players!

We can just try and find a diamond in the mud.

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17 Jan 2014 15:34:49
Ken,
Perhaps you should see the Seinfeld scene about write offs:

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=XEL65gywwHQ

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17 Jan 2014 01:18:33
I hope Luis Garcia can get to the match on Saturday, see him sing along :) see if BR can change his mind give him a 5 month contract, be great for the 'dressing room' :)

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17 Jan 2014 00:56:30
Has anyone seen Sydney on here lately, am thinking I might need to file a missing person report on him it's been so long since he's been on.

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17 Jan 2014 14:02:12
It's spelled 'a missing an persons report'

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Doesn't look right to me either logic,

'a missing an persons report'

but hey English isn't my first language.

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16 Jan 2014 23:54:29
eds,
do you think we could get alex song and tello from barcelona for £ 20 mil?

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

 
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