Liverpool Banter Archive December 17 2017
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17 Dec 2017 22:56:35
Keep hearing how simular we are too spurs apart from they have a better defence. we have conceded just 2 more goals than them this season. and of the 20 we have conceded 12 of them were in 3 games.
6th best defence in prem.
Don't get me wrong still think we need a new cb and goal keeper, but we really are not that far away.
If we can move that on to 3-4 best that a few of those draws becoming wins.
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18 Dec 2017 00:24:40
Notice how much better we've been since Matip has been out š¤ maybe it's a coincidence but for me, Klavan and Lovren seem to be building a decent partnership and i wouldn't break it up any time soon if I'm honest. Not unless we sign a top class centre back in January, at least!
18 Dec 2017 00:36:44
They definitely seem to have a decent understanding today. They pass out from the back quite well. There is still the niggling problem that they are slow for the way we want to play.
18 Dec 2017 02:48:21
finding consistency and confidence seems to be key for our guys.
18 Dec 2017 03:20:50
Klavan isn't the greatest defender but he is no nonsense, he puts in a shift, he tries hard and he seems to at least try and read what his team mates are doing. He looks vulnerable to pace and his passing is dodgy to say the least, but he at least tries which is why I think he is playing better than Matip. Even if Matip was fit I wouldn't put him in the team.
18 Dec 2017 06:51:56
If Defoe hadn't dragged his shot wide we wouldn't be saying this. We still have serious problems, they just weren't punished today.
{Ed001's Note - you can only think of one incident but that is indicative of serious problems? You really must be a joy to live with, damn you are a miserable bugger. We battered them 4-0 and still you want to whine like a spoilt child who has had their favourite toy taken away!}
18 Dec 2017 07:42:35
PutneyRed, we should have been 3 up when Defoe got his big chance. So in hindsight if both teams had taken their chance we would still have a 2 goal cushion over them. You are making a big deal out of nothing.
18 Dec 2017 07:49:57
Sorry ed, I probably didn't communicate well (I had only just woken up) .
I'm referring to the posts above suggesting that Lovren and Klavan are a solid CB pairing. I don't think they are and I don't want to rely on them any longer than we have to.
Didn't mean to take anything away from the performance yesterday, we were excellent.
{Ed001's Note - how is giving up one chance in 90min showing they are not solid? You are making no sense and just picking at things for the sake of it.}
18 Dec 2017 08:04:06
You mean he Defoe chance where Gomez played him onside?
I think you're clutching at straws trying to blame that on Lovren or Klavan. Though i do think Lovren should've played to the whistle as he stopped and put his arm in the air for offside. Gomez was at fault though. He dropped without communicating.
He's still a kid though so he will make the odd mistake. It's up to the analysts and the coaches to point it out to him so he can learn from it. Lovren, Klavan and Robertson all held their line to perfection.
Anyway, if you still think it's their fault, I'm not really concerned about conceding one major chance away from home to one of the most attacking teams in the league. If Salah had taken his chances we'd have been 5-0 up by the time Defoe hit the post. It's all ifs and buts. They don't matter. We won 4-0.
18 Dec 2017 08:13:04
Putney, if you only picked out one incident (btw, Wiji was at fault for losing the ball stupidly in midfield) out of 90 minutes as indicative of serious problems then for sure, you are really scraping underneath the bottom of the barrel to find something negative to say. I normally love your posts BUT this one is way of mark. Cheer up, man. We won, scored goals, clean sheet and all the boys played well. Why so negative?
18 Dec 2017 08:34:30
Guys, behave, of course I'm not using that chance as my one example that we have serious problems in defence, we all know that we have serious problems.
My point, however badly articulated, is that if that goal went in the talk on this post wouldn't be about how good Klavan and Lovren are it would be 'good team performance but I still think we need a new CB'.
I hate over praise as much as I hate over criticism. Klavan and Lovren have been doing a decent job but if the right CB is available next month I want us to buy him because we are in a fight for the top 4 and CB is one of our main weaknesses.
I apologise if right after a good win is the wrong time to make this point but it doesn't make the point wrong.
18 Dec 2017 08:48:07
Klavan is out no 1 CB for me, they all have weaknesses who doesn't, but for me, he's got the most heart, most likely to stick his head, leg, body on the line, and probably the strongest. His lack of pace is his issue, so why not give him a chance with Gomez?
Matip has to go for me, too lazy, slow and not turned up at all this season. Lovren has had moments, but he seems to be able to keep fighting.
18 Dec 2017 09:51:47
I agree with Putney.
I think people have misunderstood him there. Klavan and Lovren are doing well no doubt but we should not let this good run of form mask the need for a centre back.
Surely we all agree with that?!
18 Dec 2017 10:11:14
Putney is a great contributor, usually very positive, and i do understand his point. Its still all "Ifs and buts" though. If both teams had scored all their chances i think we'd have won about 18-3!
Putney, your post on Chamberlain was awesome so please don't take it personally.
As you say Keith, we still need a new centre back regardless!
18 Dec 2017 10:38:30
if defoe's goal went in, we'd be in typical irrational meltdown about the defence. again completely missing that the opposition had free reign running towards our goal with our defence caught between going for the ball and tracking the run. that kind of situation catches out the best defences and often it is simpply a matter of an individual making a good read to intercept or simply having the pace to make up the ground.
Putney is right tho, the criticism would be all over lovren and klavan had that goal gone in.
18 Dec 2017 12:57:58
Regardless of yesterday, our centre half's are just not good enough, and it urgently needs addressing over the next two transfer windows. Fair enough, there's no need to keep highlighting there faults, but they eventually are all going to have to go.
18 Dec 2017 12:58:52
As a footnote, definitely not VVD. Most overrated CH in the league.
17 Dec 2017 21:49:28
"I don't think they have the pride it takes to be a defender. 'They don't look organised, they don't look like they want to defend. I don't think their first thought is defending".
This was the quote from Asmir Begovic after we lost to Spurs. I knew at the time that he might regret this quote. I'm sure Klopp and the players heard this too. He should count himself lucky, tho as he only received 4 goals today. We should have easily put 9 or 10 past him and it would not have flattered him and his dreadfully awful team.
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17 Dec 2017 22:38:43
well said Bro.
18 Dec 2017 00:28:21
Begovic was useless today. It was actually sad to see a keeper who just 5 years ago had some of the best distribution skills in the league, just pinging simple balls out for a throw in. I can remember at least 5 examples. He shouldn't have gone money hunting at Chelsea. Those years on the bench have set him back massively. He was once regarded as one of the best in the league, but today he looked like a League 1 player. That's fine though because give it 2 years and Bournemouth will be there if they stick with Eddie Howe.
18 Dec 2017 06:12:04
I can only assume that you're trash talking, MKS. Howe definitely tries to make them play the right way and I am sure he has all the qualities to keep them safe this season. I think your comments about Howe is just as stupid as Begovic's comment about Liverpool's defending. I hope you don't take it the wrong way.
Also can't understand the fact that Lovren got crucified for his performance vs Spurs by pundits and every Dick and Harry but no one seems to be talking about how awful Dier was against City. Is it because he is English?
18 Dec 2017 08:17:12
Maverick, I can answer that. The media pick on who they wanna pick on, simple. Dier has been poor all season in defence BUT hey, let's pick on LFC's CB's and defence even tho our defence has conceded a measly 4 goals in 8 PL games and Spurs (with the almighty Dier in the team) have conceded WAY more. Even when we play well and keep a clean sheet. The media simply cannot bring themselves to say that our boys have truly turned a corner defensively. Seriously, like it will actually kill them to admit that Klopp has improved us of late in that regard.
{Ed001's Note - it's 4 in 9 now.}
18 Dec 2017 08:23:10
Thanks, Ed. I do wanna say that both Klavan and Lovren (worts and all) are forming a pretty good partnership together as they are the pair that have played most of these games where we have conceded 4 and kept 5 clean sheets. I have always believed that tho having very good individual CB's is great, being able to form an effective partnership is even more important and both boys are getting it done, overall. Now, they will struggle in certain games for sure BUT this must be a confidence builder for both players which in the end, is all you want. Your take, Ed?
{Ed001's Note - I think they are building a partnership and that is why it is working. They work well together, the defence looks a lot better with those two as a pair than either with Matip. There were a couple of times they knew to swap over to cover the other and communicated between them much better than Matip does.}
18 Dec 2017 08:32:52
Maverick it's fine mate, i just don't rate Howe.
He reminds me of Brendan Rodgers. He came out after todays game and tried to blame a 4-0 loss on his players not being good enough technically! What on earth did that have to do with Coutinho walking past 5 players and not even one attempting a tackle? What on earth did that have to do with their entire defence assuming the ball was dead when Lovren scored? Was it a lack technical ability that saw Daniels get the wrong side of Salah, and Ake's pathetic challenge for Salah's goal? I'll go easy on them on our 4th because technically it was offside, but their was nobody closing down a player of Coutinho's quality for the cross.
They are a shocking team off the ball. They don't press, they're disorganised, they have no leaders, nobody wants to tackle the opposition, and they're full of individual errors. They all want to be in possession because it is patently obvious Howe has absolutely no defensive plan other than to try and keep the ball. You can't build a team and not have a single player prepared to do the dirty work other than injury prone Harry Arter. Sean Dyche and David Wagner have less than half the budget that Howe has and yet they are overachieving whilst playing good football at times. Howe just hasn't found any semblance of balance.
I genuinely think they'll be relegated the season. Howe has spent more money than anyone else in the relegation battle, and his team looks like the joint third worst after Stoke and Swansea. Joint with West Brom. Bournemouth have no fight to go with the good attacking football. What use is that though when they will be defending for 80% of their games each season? Howe is hyped up for a reason that i don't understand and he is close to being found out now. The league is now so competitive that bad managers will cost any team. Mark Hughes, Alan Pardew, Eddie Howe and Paul Clement are all terrible managers and unless they get the bullet, 3 of that 4 will go down in my opinion. Crystal Palace, Everton and West Ham all made decisions early to go for a tried and tested Premier League manager and now they're all likely to stay up. My money would be on West Brom just surviving because Pardew is marginally the best of that quartet.
I agree with you on Dier though. That game was just a mess though in terms of analysis. Everyone seems to have completely glossed over the fact that Otamendi should've seen red before any of the Spurs tackles, and that De Bruyne committed the worst dive of the weekend to seal the game for City. Alli and Kane should've been sent off, but if Otamendi had been properly punished (based on the precedent set in our game against City) the Spurs players probably wouldn't have lost their heads. City were stunning, but it does help having the officials and now the media on their side. I've not seen one major outlet mention that De Bruyne dived, even though he deliberately hooked his trailing leg back, and went down after the contact in a most theatrical tumble. It was embarrassing.
18 Dec 2017 10:56:31
Yep, good point on the de bruyne dive. It completely slipped out of my mind.
I respect your opinions. But if I have to pick the teams that would be relegated, I won't pick either Stoke or Bournemouth. But I do agree on Swansea. I think they're dead certain to go down. They are a bit like Sunderland before they got relegated. But appointments and signings will cost them dearly.
17 Dec 2017 21:23:41
Brilliant all around today.
Very pleasing for me was the amount of British players on the pitch at the end of the match. Pretty sure was 7.
Good to see.
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18 Dec 2017 00:48:57
Who cares where the players are from?
18 Dec 2017 02:49:20
I dunno why, but it is kinda cool to have british lads out there on the pitch.
18 Dec 2017 04:43:57
We've got your British lads out here in Australia atm and its pretty cool that your lads came all the way over here to help us practice.
18 Dec 2017 10:40:39
aussie - on that note i am not a fan of the ex-pat british coaches downunder lol. acting like they all big and bad hahaha.
17 Dec 2017 21:04:41
Oh and a massive shout out to Jordan Henderson the club captain who was also excellent tonight. Well done Handl keep it up.
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17 Dec 2017 21:56:31
I'm with Souness on tonites game, captain fantastic and man of the match for me Hendo, and yes Mane and Couts scored great individual goals, Bobby was as great as ever, ox played well, but Henderson was everywhere, rarely played SIDEWARDS and drove his team on the whole game.
17 Dec 2017 22:39:09
Mane didn't play, although agree on the rest, plus well done to Ox and his interview with Coutinho after the match, when he stuck up for his team mate!
18 Dec 2017 00:25:28
Henderson was awful he didnāt score a hat trick and save a penalty! Jokes aside Iām not his biggest fan but he martialled the team very well not one bad performer out there.
17 Dec 2017 19:03:17
Very solid performance to say the least. An fair play to the Ox today he played very well, deserved a goal to him name.
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17 Dec 2017 21:30:24
That is the most complete performance i have seen this season, period. Top class from start to finish and frankly, B'mouth got off easy. We should have put 10 on them, easily. Great work by the team and the fact that the boys were fresh from start to fininsh shows why rotation is the best policy. Does that mean we win all our games? No. It simply means that any team we put out will be fresh, hungry and competitive for 90 mins. That is all you can ask for. Up Da Pool and on to the Emirates.
17 Dec 2017 18:55:52
I just fell a little bit in love with AOC. He was with Coutinho in the post match interview and the interviewer tried to trap Coutinho with a question about his future. A very awkward Couts started to answer but AOC interrupted pointing out what an unfair question it was and defending Couts.
Not only is he starting to show his class on the pitch he's showing class off it as well.
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17 Dec 2017 19:16:27
Agreed, I'm really starting to like the lad, I wasn't all for him when he signed but he's impressing me the more I see/ hear of him.
17 Dec 2017 19:42:21
Future possible captain?
17 Dec 2017 20:00:04
PUTNEYRED,
why was that an awkward moment for COUTS, the interviewer asked him a perfectly legitimate question, itās alright COUTINHO hiding behind a back injury and refusing to play for us at the start of the season but when an interviewer asks him a legitimate question it becomes awkward for the poor soul. as for AOC he was excellent today and deserved his MOTM award, also the game management was excellent today no letting them back into it, also KLAVAN has been really improving over the last month.
17 Dec 2017 20:28:18
Not so long ago Ox was slated from pillar to post now somebody said"Future Captain"Some day maybe/ hopefully but only to make the people who bashed him eat their words.
17 Dec 2017 20:56:06
wembley - it's stupid because the journo doesn't really care about the answer. he just wants a headline.
17 Dec 2017 21:08:16
FAITHINWORKS,
itās not stupid, itās a legitimate question, Iām sick and tired of everyone having to kiss these players backsides it shouldnāt be the tail wagging the dog.
17 Dec 2017 21:32:33
It was a dumb question, Wembley just like they always do to get a headline and cos unrest in the LFC country, just like they always do. Get a clue.
17 Dec 2017 21:52:41
Faith is exactly right, it was a leading question with only two answers, both of which would make headlines. It was a cheap trick and I'm delighted AOC stepped in.
17 Dec 2017 22:45:03
and it showed how much the Ox has grown into the Liverpool shirt, it was a big move for him,
I wonder who that reporter follows, he was def trying it on with Couts, but the Ox put him right .
{Ed002's Note - it is embarrassing reading posts like this.}
17 Dec 2017 23:20:17
Just out of curiosity Ed why do you say embarrassing?
{Ed002's Note - Try words like āit showed how much the Ox has grown into the Liverpool shirt.ā
18 Dec 2017 00:27:17
I agree, AOC needed move, one zaha did from United, sometimes players get stuck in a rut and need a change and he looks decent so far, still got bit of his game to work on but I think he looks good and has a good attitude.
17 Dec 2017 18:40:12
Well done Ox on 2 counts.
1st obviously had a good game in middle of the park, hopefully keeps improving!
2nd in interviews after game with Coutinho reporter asked Phil about speculation about move. Phil was not really sure what to say and after a minute or so Ox inturupts stating that Phil is a Liverpool player, totally professional at all times and puts his arm around him and says it's unfair to ask him those kind of questions. fair play for sticking up for his teammate when he didn't have to.
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17 Dec 2017 18:55:06
Agreed. He works so hard and his pressing was brilliant. Was so unlucky when made great tackle, then ran at defence and hit the post was really wanting it to go in for him as he deserved it. Also like to say whole team played really well and Robertson looked good going both ways and never stopped running.
17 Dec 2017 18:56:33
Just made a post about the exact same thing. Real classy guy.
17 Dec 2017 19:04:05
Well done young Ox.
17 Dec 2017 21:35:18
Ox was brilliant today and shows again, Klopp's ability to coach a player and improve him. Ox has already come good for us way more than he did at Arsenal and hopefully, he can keep going as he is a genuine good lad and very professional as his interview showed.
18 Dec 2017 12:54:35
I ain't seen that yet but that's great of him an I admire his character, we all know he going sky have too blow it up an disrupt us an him, talk sport are the same can't listen in car drives me mad the biased against us, anyway great result lads u made my day.
17 Dec 2017 18:36:29
Great performance and without mane! Hope he come back willing to fight. That man mo again incredible defies physics! AOC looks great his attitude is great and kudos for defending Coutinho in the interview think heāll be a gem! Robertson looked good too. Well done the lads.
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17 Dec 2017 18:35:36
Anybody see the interview with ox and couts? Interviewer asks if heās going to stay, an ox buts in and stands up for him šš»šš».
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17 Dec 2017 18:47:02
Ox paid back his transfer fee with that interview itself!
17 Dec 2017 18:18:49
Good win, can't have any complaints. Professional from start to finish.
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17 Dec 2017 19:49:13
Agree with that, another clean sheet š.
17 Dec 2017 20:58:16
You happy again Ron mate? lol :)
17 Dec 2017 21:36:40
Brill. performance!
18 Dec 2017 00:28:56
WILL the real Ron please stand up ;)
17 Dec 2017 18:15:01
Salah on 20 goals and still 3 more games in December? What is the goal scoring record for the Premier league?
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17 Dec 2017 18:22:12
Shearer i think at 31 goals? I may be wrong, think it's that.
17 Dec 2017 18:33:29
Suarez, Shearer and Ronaldo i think? All 31.
Suarez is the only one to do it without being his teams main penalty taker though, so is Salah goes past them all he will fully deserve every individual award going!
17 Dec 2017 18:38:18
Nice one MK, I was unaware of that mate. I think I'm going to smash the record :)
17 Dec 2017 18:48:37
Salah's 'only' on 13 PL goals however, at his current scoring rate he'll get around 27 or 28.
Even if he doesn't get the record he's doing something pretty amazing right now.
17 Dec 2017 19:27:15
Salah is on 14 goals. Which is bloody good going as he doesnāt take penalties or free kicks and thatās after 18 games.
17 Dec 2017 19:29:51
Frightening thing is that he should have 30 already
The guys always in the right place and when heās not relying on service from anyone else he has the ability to create a goal out of nothing
Keep rolling Mo.
17 Dec 2017 20:58:51
he doesn't have 20 prem league goals tho does he? thought that was overall. anyways, he is playing very well and is an important player for us. Be xciting to see if he can be a truly world class player and do it year after year!
17 Dec 2017 21:37:59
He actually has enough time to reach 30 goals this season and that would be unreal for a player who is NOT a CF, naturally.
17 Dec 2017 21:38:01
He has missed a penalty this year!
17 Dec 2017 17:35:12
Aw things were going so well til the little cheat fraser came on, let's hope we don't get a repeat of last year.
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17 Dec 2017 17:28:04
The Ox is being De bruyne tonight.
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17 Dec 2017 18:28:27
He was fantastic to be fair. Fully deserved man of the match. Lovren was also excellent.
17 Dec 2017 18:41:55
He was good but De bruyne behave not in that class I'm affaid.
17 Dec 2017 21:38:05
Difference is, De Bruyne will play that influentially every week and against much better teams than Bournemouth! Long way to go before we can reasonably compare him to De Bruyne, but fair play to him nonetheless. His best game I've ever seen him play in any shirt. Ran the show, led the press, started the attack for Salah's goal with a beautifully weighted pass in behind, and nearly scored after winning the ball back single handedly! I so wanted that to fly in, but what a game he had regardless.
18 Dec 2017 00:58:06
I loved his through ball to Salah and the crunching tackles he did.
17 Dec 2017 17:17:21
I think salah is having a goal of the season competition with himself.
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17 Dec 2017 17:20:43
He's just incredible isn't he, he could've scored 2-3 already this half, hope the lad gets at least one more.
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{Ed0333's Note - I would love him to eclipse Hannibal Lectors record
17 Dec 2017 17:28:06
Hahaha! Ed333 I think the way it's going mate he will do, fingers crossed!
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{Ed0333's Note - my only fear is heās skying a lot of chances when he drops a shoulder and goes on his left foot. Heās getting lots of oppurtiniries in that fashion but spurning a few much to my chagrin. Clearly Iām being over critical and Iām in the minority. š
17 Dec 2017 16:59:35
Wasn't aware that at this stage last season, we were 6 points and 7 goals better off.
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17 Dec 2017 17:19:01
We're not even half way through the season yet, judge at the end.
17 Dec 2017 17:24:55
Salah, read the post. Itās just an observation.
17 Dec 2017 17:26:35
Yeah but last season we were burnt out by January and then had a scrap for 4th.
17 Dec 2017 17:30:56
Yeah maybe but we hardly won a game in Jan or Feb last year so think we'll still get between 70/ 80 points this season.
17 Dec 2017 18:37:06
We started the season far worse than last year but hopefully will also not have the crisis that we had during winter last season.
17 Dec 2017 19:34:35
Thats a very good point MK. Our wheels came of in Jan last year. It will be interesting to see how we sit then.
17 Dec 2017 21:04:50
this is why we should temper our emotions throughout the season. unless the wheels have completely fallen off (ie, we do what we basically did under BR except for one fluke season, and come to this part of the season and are looking up at the europa league places) or we are as far ahead as city are now, we really should just be taking it week by week. I mean who knows? last season we started well, had a bad middle spell then finished strong. maybe we've gone through our bad patch already and we continue this form for the remainder of the season?
18 Dec 2017 12:55:11
You say 'far wose' but its only 6 points and at this point, i feel we have better depth this year. Bring on the Arsenal.
17 Dec 2017 15:11:38
Ed001 or readers just wanted to know your thoughts on Jones Larouci and millar from the u18s.
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17 Dec 2017 15:30:23
Jones is very well thought of and is playing well above his age very good technically has that ability to ghost through players. I wouldnāt be surprised if he was promoted to U23ās after jan when some of the older players go out on loan.
Millar is one who has taken a while to settle but really enjoying this season scoring quite a few him and Mchauley are both having good seasons. Very hard working and an eye for goal.
Correct me If im wrong but I believe larouci has been having work permit issues up until recently. Again only a kid but seems to be comfortable at this level already at his age. Rapid and a good left peg
The U18ās are looking good this season and I think that brings evidence of the good work that Benitez did with out coaching from the very young age!
I am also pleasantly surprised about how committed Gerrard is and how he is genuinely working hard to be as good a coach, not resting on his laurels from his plying career.
Hopefully we will see a number of these guys in and around the first team.
Another one to look out for is Eddie Tagseth class above for his position Iām excited where he will be in 5 years time if he keeps working hard!
17 Dec 2017 16:09:43
Good post Southern Red. Curtis Jones looks a huge talent. And only 16 just hope he continues to progress.
17 Dec 2017 16:24:18
Thanks!
I think what really impressed me is that they are playing as a team and a lot of them are offering a lot of flexibility.
If someone is asked to play a position they do it.
The problem these days is they get to an age and a good salary and think they have made it. As Gerrard said at the start he basically inferred that he wasnāt going to allow any egoās that could clash he wants 100% commitment to the team.
17 Dec 2017 14:54:18
Here's hoping Klopp sticks with Karius today!
Not going to happen though!
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17 Dec 2017 16:15:14
Who cares as long as we win.
17 Dec 2017 14:11:10
Just read that David Luiz maybe available in January. What's people's thoughts if he was to join Liverpool?
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17 Dec 2017 14:19:24
Donāt fancy the costs involved.
17 Dec 2017 15:05:47
0% chance, juve and real want him and compete consistently for everything also we don't pay Ā£200k+ a week so even if he was the best CB in the world (which he isn't) it's a non starter.
17 Dec 2017 17:19:43
Donāt think heād suit us or solve the problems.
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{Ed0333's Note - I think heād solve some of out problems on his day heās better than any of our center backs and he could shield the back four with ease.
17 Dec 2017 14:07:09
In other news Connor Randall is part of the current hearts team beating Celtic 4-0 so far and thatās including two 16 year olds on the pitch!
Bravo hearts. apparently they are playing their hearts out (que standing ovation)
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17 Dec 2017 13:57:27
Strictly banter, was watching the pre game show and saw the video of the Man City players chanting "park the bus". Pure class. Now if we have somebody on the site who is good at creating meme's etc. could someone show the man Utd team bus arriving but have it be the bus being carried by the players and mourhino as the driver.
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17 Dec 2017 14:49:23
There's being good at creating memes then there's that.
17 Dec 2017 13:20:19
Let's hope we can stop Bournemouth from scoring 4 goals this afternoon!
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17 Dec 2017 15:28:06
Any would be better šāļø.
17 Dec 2017 12:13:28
Hey fellas, I'm from Bournemouth and have a couple of the chaps down visiting. One of them mentioned how good it would be if we managed to get tickets to the game today. Does anyone know of a good website that, on the off chance, might have tickets at a semi reasonable price? Cheers.
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17 Dec 2017 13:15:15
Think youāll struggle mate.
17 Dec 2017 10:34:24
Just going to throw it out there because in recent times it winds me up or maybe I'm too old for this kind of stuff I don't know.
Social media, why is it, the majority of players feel the need to be on it? it causes nothing but disruption and rumours, all they want is bloody attention, I bet they have competitions among themselves ' I have 1 more million followers then you'. To me there should be some sort of rule, when you join a club you can't be on social media, there's far too much hassle to it in my opinion.
Just needed to get that out there, maybe I'm alone in thinking this way but it does do my head in. The majority of BS comes via Social media. Poison.
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17 Dec 2017 10:44:43
I agree
But unfortunately itās the modern era and we have to expect it.
17 Dec 2017 10:52:03
It can be good though, and players are allowed to express themselves. Look at Vincent Kompany, he is excellent on social media, they are not all like Andre gray.
17 Dec 2017 10:53:20
Players should be banned from using social media and doing their talking through club services.
Unfortunately player power is the poison.
17 Dec 2017 11:04:06
Over 1 billion monthly active users (almost weekly aswell) between facebook and instagram alone this year. It is as you say a marketing ploy where "followers" can be used as leverage at the highest end in negotiating deals with clubs but mostly with receiving sponsorship. They receive all sorts of endorsements for mentioning or showing a product all the time.
It is not the players fault it's the 400+million people who daily use instagram and facebook. The numbers are truly incredible!
17 Dec 2017 11:46:31
You right. Perhaps you too old for this stuff. Relax mate, it ain't as deep or serious as you make it out to be. By the way, am millions of fans appreciate the access social media gives them to the players, vice versa.
Chill bro.
17 Dec 2017 12:17:09
I'm perfectly chilled and relaxed RBL mate, I just don't agree with it 'bro'.
17 Dec 2017 15:52:11
Am with you there salah it is poison!
17 Dec 2017 17:21:40
Brand development and marketing opportunities.
18 Dec 2017 12:52:34
RBL, bro? Seriously mate, are you 15 years old or an American frat boy.
17 Dec 2017 09:33:11
Just saw the Everton penalty for the first time (internet been goosed) - I figured, before hand, that it will likely look a penalty as many on here were saying it was. However, after watching it, I cannot believe anyone said it was a penalty, probably one of the softest penalties I've seen this season - absolute minimal contact, a blatant dive when there was absolutely no need to go to ground and a referee who looked poised and ready to throw them a lifeline. Don't get me wrong, after watching the highlights, we were to blame for not killing the game, but damn what a poor decision. Speaking of poor decisions that Mane chance - where he should of passed - was shocking: those players need to realise that this is a team game and that benefits to the team outweigh personal glory.
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17 Dec 2017 09:44:54
Mane has not been the same since his post match argument with Klopp after the Chelsea game when he brought him on after 89 minutes. What was the point of that?
17 Dec 2017 09:52:11
Mane looks like he's jealous of Mo, sounds pathetic but that's the vibe I get when I watch him at the minute.
17 Dec 2017 10:10:26
If Mane plays today he will be back to his best.
17 Dec 2017 12:00:34
That penalty incident said more about Lovren's daftness than the ref's "screw up".
Many ghost penalties been given and will still be given, mistakenly or thru sheer incompetence or cheating.
As a defender, as Lovren, you should know better than to unnecessarily put yourself in a situation where a call has to be made. He made the ref to make a call when there was really NO NEED to. When warranted, sure go for it.
Instead of Klopp railing at the officials, he should of looked much closer to home. As should Lovren himself.
The game isn't perfect. Refs don't have bionic eyes. Mistakes will be made.
A player should be smart and shrewd enough to not give the referee unnecessary calls. The penalty was given. It stands. 2 points dropped. Move on.
{Ed001's Note - but Lovren didn't do anything other than get jumped into. That is the point, everyone is so keen to jump on Lovren's back but he never even made a challenge. It is amazing how you are all so desperate to abuse Lovren that you make these accusations.}
17 Dec 2017 12:02:36
Mane is desperate to get back to form and yes he will be envious of mo and the form that he is in.
Mane needs to remember its a team game and that his form will return.
17 Dec 2017 12:20:39
Look at it from Mane's point of view.
Dropped for a big game, left on the bench for 89 minutes and then asked to warm up and run about for injury time?
How is he meant to change the game in injury time? He should have been on earlier.
That kind of decision sits alongside Rafa's when he brought Torres off. That signalled the end for Rafa as the senior players lost confidence in him.
17 Dec 2017 12:38:01
As I said after the game with everton the refereeing in the premier league is abysmal bar a couple of good refs. look at the city game with Tottenham last night. Otamendi kicked Kane in the face Danny roses shove on sterling I think kanes and dele Ali's shocking challenges. I know its a tough job but there is no consistency with there decisions and that's what gets people riled.
17 Dec 2017 14:11:32
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We'll put the penalty to rest.
Regarding Lovren, I think it's fair to say everyone makes mistakes. Even the "top, top" will sometimes have brain fart.
And I get that fans can sometimes go overboard with him. But is that not inexplicable. Lovren makes so many mistakes that the next, slightest one he makes gets amplified and is always viewed/ criticized in the whole context of him as a player.
Aldewereild makes a similar mistake as Lovren in that Spurs game and it'll quickly be forgotten. No questions or criticisms about Toby's quality as a player.
Many slaughtered Lovren for the penalty incident. But I honestly feel it was more about his overall quality as player than the penalty incident itself.
People's minds are made up on him, and to be fair I don't think he's done much to dispel their notions about him.
It's a sad situation as the player is now primarily set on not mistakes instead of being free playing out of himself.
You can see it in his eyes, in his game. His too self-conscious and his confidence seems shot.
I think his psychology is messed up. I don't know hey.
{Ed001's Note - agreed.}
17 Dec 2017 09:18:15
I'm going to get shot down for this one.
Jonny Evans linked with a number of clubs again this week.
Yes he's an ex manc but I reckon he'd do a decent job for us at the back. Our defensive home record has been ok but our away from has been the Achilles heel.
We simply can't go into the the next phase of the season without strengthening at the back and with the shortage of decent available CB's, I think he'd improve us.
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17 Dec 2017 09:22:29
It it was a choice of not getting a CB or getting him, then yeah I'm with you, he would be an improvement.
17 Dec 2017 09:22:50
Aside from the fact heās very average, heās also a massive United supporter as well as having played for them, I wouldnāt want him anywhere near our starting 11.
17 Dec 2017 09:28:52
Awful shout, if this is the limit of our aspirations then it's no wonder we are battling for 4th - we should be aiming to sign quality that improves the first XI, not an ex-united player who is no better than our current defenders.
17 Dec 2017 09:35:06
No pace, wouldn't suit our style of play.
Our defenders have to be quick.
17 Dec 2017 09:42:34
City have been heavily linked with him Ron, who play a similar way to us.
17 Dec 2017 09:50:30
City haven't got a problem with throwing leads away. They don't need defenders, we do.
17 Dec 2017 10:29:58
Ron, funny that you mention our defenders need to be quick.
Our fullbacks are quick, so are City's wingbacks.
City's CB's are slow but Guardiola has developed a system and has players at his disposal where his CB's are on holiday as they never have anything to do.
Our CB's do not have to be super quick. They just need to use their brains which they have been unable to do.
Saying that, our defence has improved leaking goals left right and centre. You cannot blame Klopp for taking action to not see us concede game in and out. Let's just give Klopp a freaking break.
Top 4 obviously the aim now as well as getting as far as possible in the CL. At least we are not sitting in a situation like with Rodgers coming close to winning the League, failing miserably in the CL and then see the empire crumble into pieces afterwards. We finished 4th last season and this season doing well in the CL too. Baby steps.
At this very point top 4 end of the season will be a blessing in disguise.
17 Dec 2017 10:39:32
Reasonable points but Evans is not the answer. It would be a terrible signing.
17 Dec 2017 11:01:55
Great defender, certainly not top notch but can play at left back, in a back 4 or 3. In my opinion certainly better than Lovren, Matip and Klavan.
17 Dec 2017 10:05:11
Drogie, the fact heās ex United and an absolute die hard United fan is more than enough, without mentioning the fact heās very very mediocre at best.
17 Dec 2017 11:20:01
max, why are you comparing us to Man City?
They are competing in 4 trophies and 21 (yes twenty-one) points ahead of us after 18 games.
That's more than 1point a game.
They are better than us in every position. We do not play like Man City otherwise we would not be 21 points behind.
17 Dec 2017 11:25:22
We can't compare how we and city play simply because of the goalkeeper position the distribution of ederson is the best I've seen. Yesterday was like a left footed pirlo/ alonso in goal. The confidence of city players to always have their keeper as an oddball regardless of pressure is simply not there with Liverpool. Compare the amount of times our defenders under pressure will concede a throw in or worse lose the ball directly to city. They keep the ball moving by ball to ederson who'll pick the space and then city can exploit any high press the opposition employs. I don't think the difference that alone would make to us can be underestimated.
17 Dec 2017 12:31:03
Exactly my point Irish. Heās better than what we have and if we fail to improve the defence, I feel weāll struggle to achieve a top four spot, let alone progress in the CL.
17 Dec 2017 10:05:11
Drogie, the fact heās ex United and an absolute die hard United fan is more than enough, without mentioning the fact heās very very mediocre at best.
17 Dec 2017 09:16:42
In my opinion when a team like man city spend Ā£240m or whatever it was then they should be wining the league. Man utd spend Ā£150-160m and should be challenging for the title . All these teams have bottomless pits in terms of money. We do not so challenging for 4th on our budget is decent. Put it this way if bill gates brought LFC then we would be champions in a few years guaranteed.
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17 Dec 2017 10:23:01
The maths is simple
The 3 highest spending clubs (and arguably wealthiest) occupy the first 3 positions in the PL table.
17 Dec 2017 10:43:01
Highest quad values:
City - Ā£774m
United - Ā£711m
Chelsea - Ā£584m
Liverpool - Ā£396m
Based on that, we should be finishing fourth. By the end of today, that could very well be the top four in that exact order. It is no coincidence. Mourinho has no excuse though. They have spent just as much as City considering the wages they pay eclipse everyone by a long long way. Plus they hold the 3 record Premier League transfers of Di Maria, Lukaku and Pogba.
If we finish fourth, Klopp has achieved what is expected. Anything higher would be over achieving. That's just the way football is nowadays with how much money is in the game. If we finish behind Spurs, Arsenal, or god forbid it, Burnley! Then Klopp will have underachieved because he has spent a fortune on the likes of Mane, Salah, Chamberlain and Wijnaldum.
17 Dec 2017 11:20:59
But then there's Leicester and Burnley.
17 Dec 2017 12:13:43
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Beyond 4th be "overachieving"? So you don't think owners are expecting to be competing for the title then? Interesting.
I thought Spurs be the club that are content with CL finishes considering their comparatively modest spend on players. A Spurs that's consistently outperformed LFC past couple of years in spite LFC's vastier spends.
When do we get to the point where people are honest and admit LFC have spent vast enough sums since FSG arrival to compete for and possibly win the PL?
money's been there and proper wasted.
FSG been a disaster too with their appointments.
Constantly pointing to City's "billions" not going to change the fact that LFC has screwed up transfer wise more than once. Money's been spent, just not as wisely as should of been as often as required.
17 Dec 2017 12:19:31
Yes Ron, and they over achieved. Leicester over 1 season, and Burnley over half a season so far. Maybe we might over achieve one or two years and win the league. But you can't expect to win the title when you are being outspent by almost 100% by Manchester City. They have literally spent just under double what we have on their current squad.
If FSG want to win the title nearly every season, they need to do what City's owners have done and plough money into every area on and off the pitch. It is common sense that if you're the 4th highest investors, you'll also have the 4th best business, unless you invest very cleverly which would then be categorised as over achieving!
Bayern, Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Man City, Chelsea, Man United etc. The teams which dominate, spend the most to do so. There is nothing complicated about that.
I'd rather win the title once in a similar way to how Leicester did than win it 5 times by just blowing everyone else out the water financially. It will mean so much more to do it and have nobody be able to say "yeah but you spent Ā£1billion". To win it and have everyone just sit back and say we really deserved it against all the odds.
Gerrard says his one major trophy with Liverpool was worth more to him than winning more elsewhere (which basically means at a club who buy success if you read between the lines) . I believe him, because i feel the same.
17 Dec 2017 14:08:02
gerrard will say whatever he has to say the fact remains we haven't won Prem for 27-28 years. so let's not bring what a explayer says the fact is we are way behind the likes of city, united, chelsea and even arsenal in terms of quality on the pitch and revenue generated off the pitch. there are lot of people to be blamed for this but let's not divert the focus from winning the prem to giving silly excuses about why we did not win.
Everytime i read post here feel more and more Liverpool fans have resigned that we will win the prem and comes up with excuses to cover the teams and mangers mishap.
18 Dec 2017 12:49:10
And what about Leicester budget when they won it?
18 Dec 2017 12:53:15
MK, if Klopp had gotten a CB, letās say VVD which the money was there to buy and replaced Migs in nets do you think we would be in our current position or much closer to City? I think we would be second and much closer, replacing Migs with Ward or Karius costs us nothing but Klopp perseveres, not personally messing up the VVD transfer or having a second or even third option is just blatant incompetence. We may not win the league but those two changes I feel would have us in a much better position than we are currently.
As for the argument that he couldnāt get the CB he wanted then should he have gotten in a DM and changed tactics slightly to protect a very poor defense?
17 Dec 2017 07:07:39
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Sunday 17th December 2017
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17 Dec 2017 05:32:47
I really want Can to stay. I think he and keita are the near future engine room of our midfield and could be for multiple years. Hendo, lallana and Milner all slowing down.
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17 Dec 2017 09:55:25
I agree but I don't see it happening, I think he's as good as gone already mate.
17 Dec 2017 09:56:18
A midfield of Can, Keita and Coutinho would be epic.
Ain't happening though.
17 Dec 2017 10:16:11
Great in theory but Can and Coutinho would have to get rid of the inconsistency first.
17 Dec 2017 11:36:13
clubs loose player and buys new one all the time. Can and cout are all but gone. let's focus on getting an upgrade on them than rather cringing and holding on them. Anyway I don't see anything special in Can, blows too hot and cold for me.
18 Dec 2017 12:50:08
Not convinced by Can as 1 good game every 5.
17 Dec 2017 05:05:35
I think it is fair that we all want the same thing, and that is to win the EPL.
The club lost it's way starting with Souness taking over from Kenny, Roy still having the bootroom intact and then being sent packing, Houllier and Rafa dismantling the bootroom, Moores holding the club back with his greed, selling to H and G who leveraged the club at the banks, FSG having to pick up the pieces and managers who could not quite get to grips with the massive mountain they had to climb to try get the club back to the top.
The club is to blame for falling behind but I at this point I do see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Let's face it people, the club has been through turbulent times since we last won the title.
This season is what it is. Too much inconsistency. Far too many draws. City have left everyone behind this season. We need to work on finishing top 4 and getting as far as possible in the CL.
Keep the faith.
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17 Dec 2017 08:14:27
Spot on, Max. The recent historyof the club is globally accurate as you describe it. I just feel that some people think we are better than we actually are which is wrong. The "We are Liverpool" brigade is not helping the situation. The "We should be challenging for this or that or We don't wanna be like Arsenal getting top 4 every season" narrative beggars belief. Anyone with an ounce can see how bang average we have been as a club for the past 25 years and still people this pathetic self-entitled attitude that even City don't even have.
Mistakes have been made from top to bottom for 27 years and if people think Klopp will just fix all these ills. they are dreaming. It is not Klopp or the owners fault as to why we have not won the PL since 1990. The owners have made mistakes BUT they are doing the right thing globally and Klopp is trying to rebuild us from the shambles the previous regime left behind. The draws do my head in as well as the inconsistencies.
Regardless, Klopp and the owners have taken us forward in two years from where we were where I could not tell you if we would beat Norwich at Anfield. Cos he has not won the PL or a trophy fast enough for some, does not change that. We need to be consistent at being good cos the potential is there for all to see. Up Da Pool!
17 Dec 2017 08:35:14
Klopp "If I'm here for 4 years we will win at least one title"
17 Dec 2017 09:05:44
Problem is it's not just City that are leaving us behind. We have drawn and lost more games in the league than we have won. We are currently 7th and 7 points off Chelsea and Utd (who we are more than happy to criticise) we are now also behind Arsenal (who we say are a spent force) yet if anyone slightly criticises any of the players (unless it's Mignolet or Milner that's allowed) or question a Klopp decision then they are accused of not being a proper fan and moaners. On our day we can be sensational but seven 1-0 wins are better than one 7-0 win. I think every football fan in the world regardless of their knowledge know our problems, it's our keeper, defence, set piece defending, too many many midfielders unable to play a penetrating pass and our consistency. These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still.
{Ed001's Note - you do realise we haven't played this weekend yet right? That our defence has conceded just 4 goals in the last 8 Prem games? But I suppose that doesn't count for you does it? People only see what they want to see when it suits them to see it. Why don't you wait and see before whining about being 7 points behind? We could be 4, 6 or 7 in a few hours and then you can have something reasonable to say.}
17 Dec 2017 09:13:06
I also agree with what you say Max. We seem to have lurched from one crisis to another over the last 20 years. To be honest, I think it quite amazing considering our relatively poor trophy haul over the 20 years (a few notable exceptions such as Istanbul) that we are still globally in the top 10 biggest clubs - albeit probably 9th or 10th.
Klopp is the best manager we could have at this moment in time, I have no doubt. And from a selfish point of view, I love watching us play again. We aren't consistent, that is true, but with a bit more time and hard work we may just get there.
17 Dec 2017 10:10:06
@Jayden
"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "
So you expected Klopp to walk in and win the League? Irrespective of what Klopp has said and done, we are in a far better situation than we were when Rafa left us, Roy taking over and Rodgers flashing the cash all over the show.
It is not Klopp's fault that the club has not won the League over the last 27 years. Blame wants to be laid at his feet and what for.
We have no divine right to be called champions unless we can win the title. You support LFC because you love the club. You support the club through thick and thin irrespective of the failings. That is what a true supporter/ fan is about.
I am happy to give Klopp time to achieve the plan he has set out.
people keep on moaning about Klopp. Who the f*** should the club employ to replace them? Fact is that you will just get these fans say that it is the clubs job to replace Klopp. WITH WHO?
17 Dec 2017 10:10:51
Firstly I always think there's been a big cloud over the club since what happened on April 15th 1989 that we never really recovered from, as a club or a big red family.
The first thing we need to do is Stop selling our best players.
Suarez, Torres, Masch, Alonso, Sterling. probably Coutinho next!?
No matter what you think of these players, they all go to top clubs and start winning massive trophies, our problem is we want innocent Choir boys who are die hard Liverpool fans that never want to leave for trophies or money. Doesn't work like that you pay the best to be the best, half the Madrid fans HATE Ronaldo and boo him. Still win Chmapions Leagues for fun.
17 Dec 2017 10:31:51
Max where have I said I expected Klopp to walk in and win the league or it was his fault for us not winning the league in 27 years. I clearly said if anyone questioned him and pointed out that our weakness's were there before he came and are still there now. I'm a big fan of Klopps and I believe he is the right man for us but it doesn't mean he cannot be questioned for his decisions. Perhaps you should read comments properly before replying as that will save you a few minutes of your life writing an argument that wasn't even there in the first place.
17 Dec 2017 10:44:38
@Jayden
"These have been our weakness's for years including when Klopp took over and those weakness's have not been rectified still. "
That is correct. Klopp took over two decades of this clubs failings. And you expected what from him for just being over two years in charge irrespective of what he has said and done?
He is slowly but surely fixing things. Rome was not built in one day.
17 Dec 2017 11:40:49
what two decades of failure are u guys taking about. till 2008 we were the number 1 team in europe under rafa and after that we started to go downhill. yes Rafa dis not win us the prem but made us a treat to anyone in Cl. if we had better owners at that time we might have won the prem. so please stop making Kloop what he is not, yes we got 4th last year but bare in mind kloop does have the support of better owners.
17 Dec 2017 11:29:57
No, Jayden said these have been "our weaknesses for years". Not 2 decades.
It is not 2 decades that we've had a problem with goalkeepers, it's since Reina left.
It's not 2 decades since we could defend including set pieces it's since Hyypia left.
It's not 2 decades since we've had a midfielder who can play penetrating passes, it's since Gerrard left
Where are the replacements for Reina, Gerrard and Hyypia? Karius, Matip and Oxlade Chamberlain? Those key positions have not been addressed by Klopp.
17 Dec 2017 12:28:08
Everyone referring back to the times we had Reina Gerrard hyppia etc. but yet we still didnāt win a league. Was probably easier back then aswell as it was before the crazy boom of tv money. Now we have likes of palace spending 25million on a player.
We had a bad start to the season defensively, but last 10-15 games itās been okay since the spurs game. If we didnāt have that start weād be comfortably in top 4. Thereās still half a season to go. A defender in January and thereās no reason to not look to continue the run of keeping it solid at the back.
17 Dec 2017 12:33:29
Max like I said I like Klopp and as an attacking force on our day we are unrivalled. However Klopps blind faith to Mignolet and some of the defence/ midfield is hurting us. We spent Ā£48 mill on 2 subs for the season when everyone knows we needed a keeper and centre half. Even though we didn't sign them we have Gomez and Karius/ Ward who could have been given games there this season.
18 Dec 2017 12:51:22
Despite the problems you mention weāve had a bloody good shot at winning the PL on a few occasions
Under Roy Evans, Rafa and most recently Rodgers
In that time we have won silverware including the CL but we would all agree that the holy grail of the title is what we really want.
I donāt really think we are too far away from mounting a serious challenge once more.
If and when herr Klopp adds a decent CB to the squad and another CM then we should see that challenge materialise
Put it this way it could be worse
At least we we are not being subjected to anti football like that lot from Manchester.
17 Dec 2017 04:45:56
Hi guys. In 2014 it was estimated that there are 580 million Lfc fans globally. Now that amount has to be increased with the Arrival of Salah. Imagine if each of us could contribute just 1 pound towards the transfer budget!
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17 Dec 2017 05:31:07
Hey that's almost 3 New Zealand dollars. lol I'd be willing to put at least 5 $NZ towards owning the club!
17 Dec 2017 09:21:08
Omg we have lost the plot or am I still drunk from last night!
17 Dec 2017 10:13:19
I'm up for that! And probably the other Reds that pay Ā£100+ every match to watch them haha.
17 Dec 2017 04:07:03
It's a fair point that Man City have two 20mil + players for each position on the pitch, but if more of our players consistantly put in a 90 minute shift we'd be much closer to them, two key culprits that spring to mind are Can and Coutinho - not because they're the only ones, but because when they do put in a solid shift they change games. Seems to me they avoid a lot of criticism because they manage to do just enough. I wouldn't be too gutted to see them both go in January. With Lallana coming back and Keita next summer we would only need one replacement to come in I reckon. Looking forward to the game tommorrow - C'mon the reds.
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17 Dec 2017 04:28:51
Can? Huh!
17 Dec 2017 07:31:42
Not being able to defend has cost us dearly.
17 Dec 2017 08:17:15
Bobbie, picking on individual players is counter productive, IMO. I know Can and Cou are currently inconsistent BUT so is Wiji, Migs, Lovren and Robbo. The issue is that inconsistency has been our hallmark for years and that predates even Klopp. This is what he is trying to change so the scape-goating needs to end cos it is becoming boring.
17 Dec 2017 09:23:59
Agree 4 goals conceded in eight games is great but it's the other games where we conceded 5, 4 and 3 goals that has killed us. Until new blood is brought in between the posts an another two cent half's an a DM I don't see us moving forward sorry.
18 Dec 2017 12:43:13
BRover, are you still blaming the past for our current woes? Didnāt Ed say Klop said he could win or at least challenge for the title with the side he inherited?
Heās had plenty of time and windows to change what he needed. Heās had money to buy players and he personally wrecked the VVD transfer last window.
Enough excuses for the manager, time to show us a title challenge.
16 Dec 2017 23:31:12
A question to Ed001 - I read the other day about Bielsa leaving Lille. I know how highly you rate him, as I do too, I was wondering how you feel about the chaotic time he was there? Very poor form, and bought a lot of players in over the summer. Such a shame - curious to hear your thoughts.
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{Ed001's Note - that is just the way he is. He is a genius with fantastic ideas but he is too intense and chaotic for club football. Thing is, if he had everything laid out to his way of thinking, the way Pep has at Man City, it would be fine, but no one else has that luxury. Though Lille do now have a fantastic training facility he had a big hand in the set up of. Lille were never ready for someone like him.}
17 Dec 2017 08:17:57
I love Bielsa BUT he is a hot head and I can't deal with that Ed, I'm sorry.
17 Dec 2017 08:36:48
Would you say Wenger does not have that luxury ed?
{Ed001's Note - I am not sure, I would think if he could he would want more. More money to spend on players. A bigger, better, more fully equipped training ground. Etc etc. Pep walked into a club with everything built for him and has just been given more and more.}
