Liverpool Banter Archive December 17 2015

17 Dec 2015 21:49:18
Eds fellow reds . this is my manager merry go round . jose to PSG, Blanc to Utd, van Gael to Real Madrid . pep to city in summer and simione to Chelsea in summer .

17 Dec 2015 22:12:01
What happens to Rafa and Pellegrini?
Who manages Atletico and Bayern?

Bit of work needed there King Luis.

17 Dec 2015 22:12:50
Does that mean Benitez to athletico then haha.

17 Dec 2015 22:57:23
All playing catch up to Leicester.

17 Dec 2015 22:25:35
Surely Brendon Rogers and Chelsea are a match made in heaven now?

17 Dec 2015 23:58:22
I would lmfao if that happened Annie. you wanted a bunch of tools? You've got them now buddy!

17 Dec 2015 15:50:54
Hi ed's i know this is a tall ask, but would it be possible for you to put a report together of strength and depth of each position running down to the U18's.

{Ed001's Note - I have been trying to think of the best way to do this, as it is difficult with younger players, who will often change position a lot, sometimes they are only playing a particular one to learn rather than because it is one they are likely to play. I will do it in the form of an article when I get a chance. It is now on my to do list.}

17 Dec 2015 20:42:21
This would be brilliant and great insight Ed. I'm sure we all understand circumstances change but would be great to get your view on it.

Out of interest. How big is the To Do List!? (And you can't add that question to the do list ;) )

{Ed001's Note - if I just sat and worked on it and did nothing else, there would be enough there to keep me going for about a month, maybe more. A lot of the stuff is not for this site though, there are only 4 or 5 things on it for this site at the moment.}

17 Dec 2015 18:06:18
Hypothetical question time.


If Rodgers had survived this long and Mourinho was now jobless, who would be calling for Liverpool to try to get Mourinho in?

I for one would still be hoping that they chose Klopp as I would hate to support someone so moody and petulant but you can't argue that he's had success.

Would you want Mourinho at Liverpool if he was coming in to replace Rodgers?

Discuss.

17 Dec 2015 18:30:02
Depends on the alternatives but my default answer is "no thanks"

17 Dec 2015 18:38:48
There were plenty on here.
It goes to show how hard it is to motivate a team, on a losing streak.

17 Dec 2015 18:44:16
I asked this awhile ago before Rodgers was sacked. I for one would have loved Jose. To me the bottom line is winning. Jose knows how to. All that said I freaking love Klopp and would not have any other manager in charge
YNWA.

17 Dec 2015 18:50:16
I'm afraid for me the bottom line is not winning
I wouldn't want him at any cost.

17 Dec 2015 19:16:57
No thanks. Rather have Pascoe and Marsh in charge for the rest of the season that that man.

17 Dec 2015 19:24:53
The BBC have put together a decent article stating that Jose Mourinho is good at short term success but hasn't yet built a dynasty. I find this interesting as I was sure that Jose bought several players that lifted the Champions League under Roberto Di Matteo. Regardless I would hate to watch JM's negative tactics on a weekly basis.

17 Dec 2015 19:33:07
I was quite surprised that he didn't sign robben, lampard, Cole, makele and cech. All ranieri and he also sound out drogba.

17 Dec 2015 20:16:56
Of course I would have signed him if Klopp wasn't coming. He is a proven winner in three different league. and he is not the age Ferguson was when he won his first title with United. Cann't see one reason why not sign him. if he would have bring us a first title after 25 years what a reason is there not to bring him? becuase he is a bit grumpy? all this negative football talk is rubbish. In the seasons Chelsea won titles they played very good football. Last year with Hazard and costa in great form they played fantastically well as they did with Drgoba and Lampard. And yes they also knew how to defend, what is wrong with that? I wish we would. I never understand all these 'purists', same like the people here who say it isgood that Suarez has gone because of the damage to the clube reputation, what a lot of bxxxs. When ferguson left, Mourinho was desperate to go to United so do the rumours say, but United thought he doesn't suit their style so they brought Moyce instead, seem like some popel here would have done the same. I am very happy with Klopp and hope he stays with us from mnay years but the second he leaves I will be very happy with Jose coming.

17 Dec 2015 21:07:34
That's exactly what I ment Fan.
He is a proven good manager, so goes to show how hard it is to motivate a team on the decline.

17 Dec 2015 22:39:03
Jose of say 5 years ago maybe. His loveability factor has changed to a bitter man. No thanks.

17 Dec 2015 22:17:24
If it was mourinho or Rodgers yes, but no other situation would I want him.

17 Dec 2015 22:14:48
All day for me.

18 Dec 2015 02:51:13
Sure! Get him in and sack him immediately after 1st title.

17 Dec 2015 16:35:01
so moirinho back to madrid then? Bentiez back to chelsea? Lol all the best to mourinho at times you were hilarious other times controversial but always agood manager regardless of how his teams play his trophy count was great.

17 Dec 2015 16:58:36
He's a piece of work, good riddance and I wouldn't expect to see him back at Real anytime soon.

17 Dec 2015 17:27:58
I have to say in glad he's gone and I hope he goes to manage in a different league. He's petulant at his best and an absolute embarrassment to football at his worst.

It's about time he got called out for it. Before, he could hide his antics behind his success, unfortunately he can't do that right now after some poor performances from key players where they've really let him down he's been sacked.

Successful? Sure, but someone who I don't want working in the epl. The referees and assistants might get a break now!

17 Dec 2015 17:38:48
Your not special anymore.

17 Dec 2015 19:25:17
It his antics in the past that have come back to haunt him. you can`t get that many people peed off at you down the years and expect that all that karma won`t come calling at some point. Pride cometh before the fall and there you have it. I hope he learns from this and learns to be humble and grateful for where he is at in his life.

17 Dec 2015 14:46:08
Wow Mourinho sacked again.
Thought he'd be backed.

17 Dec 2015 15:02:04
Player power at Chelsea. I'm not a fan of mourinho but his players did not put the performances in for him. Hopefully Rodgers gets the job :)

17 Dec 2015 15:08:12
Question is. Who do they replace him with?

17 Dec 2015 15:13:28
Hiddink is taking over for the rest of the season.

17 Dec 2015 15:14:16
Pep, and Ancelotti to Bayern I'm guessing.

17 Dec 2015 15:25:23
Biggest mistake was infuriating Eva Carneiro. That was the beginning of the end :)
Hell hath no fury.

17 Dec 2015 15:28:39
Extremely stupid decision. The players have let him down severely. Player power wins again.

17 Dec 2015 15:41:21
According to Sky Chelsea have said they already have someone to take over but haven't said who I agree with Big Al Hiddink till the summer and then ask Guardiola what he wants to take the job.

17 Dec 2015 15:45:06
How is it a stupid decision? Just because he is Jose? Any manager in the same situation would have been sacked.

17 Dec 2015 16:25:03
Our current manager was in a very similar position at Dortmund and they didn't sack him.

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't really in a similar situation. The players were very public and vocal in their support of him and showed it in their performances.}

17 Dec 2015 16:30:41
It's easier to sack a manager and get another in, that try and ring the changes in the team. Bet a top manager could win the league with that squad, just need a massive kick up the arse.

17 Dec 2015 17:02:57
Might have to go and support Chelsea if Brendan gets the job 😆😉.

17 Dec 2015 17:18:19
Edd001 chelseas players have done mourinho no favours. SHocking performances from the big players.

17 Dec 2015 17:27:38
I have to say i'm glad he's gone and I hope he goes to manage in a different league instead. He's petulant at his best and an absolute embarrassment to football at his worst.

It's about time he got called out for it. Before, he could hide his antics behind his success, unfortunately he can't do that right now after some poor performances from key players where they've really let him down and he's been sacked.

Successful? Sure, but someone who I don't want working in the epl. The referees and assistants might get a break now!

17 Dec 2015 16:46:21
Remember him punching his Chelsea badge when they stopped us winning the league. well Chelsea decided he can go and get a new badge. my guess is utd, he is hateful enough for them and as much as I dislike the man I would fear that scenario.

17 Dec 2015 18:11:53
Ramos taking over at cfc.

17 Dec 2015 18:21:22
I agree with tj. didn't cesc come out the other day and claim at least to the media that it is the players responsibility etc. Do you not think it a premier league reaction, rather than the players.

Klopps bad season in Dortmund do you think he would of still had a job if we we were bottom of the league now?

17 Dec 2015 19:10:15
Pankej

I totally agree with you

Who wouldn't throw a fit for getting rid of Eva the woman is an inspiration to all .

Put a smile on anyone's face that girl

Mourinho has terrible manners towards women and to take away the best thing within his club he's employed by even if she is a doctor she was serious eye candy and as I said an inspiration to all at the club :D

Could do with her to work on Sturridge lol never know it might work ;)

17 Dec 2015 19:40:50
Nonsense! If he gets all the credit when the players win trophies (cos he barely gives them credit to begin with), why should he not be getting the blame when things go south? The players have been aweful yes, but do you think they will try any harder when the manager trashes them when they lose like he did after the loss vs Leicester? I don`t think so. Comparing him to Knlopp is a false argument. Klopp built that team with nothing but scraps and was the reason Dortmund and some of their players became world class stars. he had one bad season and the players never gave up and kept playing for him. All got turned around when his injured starts came back and got 7th and played a cup final. Mou has been peeing off other managers and some players for years and maybe it was hight time he got his dose of Karma, IMO. Just like BR, if he`s getting credit for the wins, he should be getting the blame and the chop for the losses. The laws of football have been respected here.

18 Dec 2015 00:25:24
I honestly believe Chelsea have a massive problem called "John Terry". He isn't going to last forever and needs replacing but he has too much influence. Cross John Terry as a manger and it will cost you your job.

17 Dec 2015 13:09:13
Hi Reds,

I was daydreaming ahead to next season (as you do) trying to decide what various possibilities could happen with reference to each position.

Posting about all positions in one post would be far to long so I thought I would start a debate beginning with Goalkeepers.

What do people realistically see Liverpool doing this Summer with relation to keepers, and what do people hope to see?
Lets keep it realistic.

We currently have Mignolet and Bogdan. Fulton in goal for the U21's, with Ward and Vigouroux on loan.

For me I cannot see us selling a keeper this summer, however competition will be brought in for Mignolet with the idea of replacing him as the no1.
I am unsure and undecided whether the replacement will be purchased or if Ward will be promoted to the first team.
I think personally I would like to see Ward get the chance.

17 Dec 2015 13:41:11
Why can't you see us selling a keeper? I don't get that.

I would like us to sell Mignolet and buy a better keeper.

Bogdan is a decent sub. If Ward can prove himself then get him in the first team.

Simple for me, Migs out, better keeper in.

17 Dec 2015 13:54:42
True there could be the possible sale of Mignolet, but I can't see him wanting to leave. its all well and good wanting to sell them but its another thing getting them off the books. And If Ward were promoted then Mignolet might be kept on the books as competition incase things went wrong for Ward.

17 Dec 2015 14:12:49
Migs will go if he knows he's no longer in the first team plans and the asking price was realistic.

17 Dec 2015 14:26:54
I don't know why I just have a feeling he will be here next season, could be wrong though. Its wait and see I guess. We are both in agreement though that he needs to be replaced.

I think Bogdan will be kept as number 2, and it will be interesting to see what happens with Ward? He will be wasted if he goes back to the reserves.
He either needs to be competing for the number 1 spot next season or sent on a more competitive loan, championship or even prem level.

17 Dec 2015 16:45:10
He won't go back to reserves mate, he seems to be doing well and will get another loan if he isn't gunna get a fair crack at being 1st choice with us next year mate. Look at what Chelsea did with their keeper and he ended up epic no point wasting talent at his age he needs competitive footy.

17 Dec 2015 20:58:08
If Aberdeen stay on their current form and finish 2nd in the SPL. Do they not get champs league next year?
If so leaving him there for another season getting champs league experience would surly be a win win.?

In the mean time what do you do with Migs?

Replace him with a young keeper and Ward will never get a chance?

keep him and our results could continue to be in different?

Maybe get an older more experienced keep, ie (like Cech) could be the answer, for
A short term keeper, while we wait for ward.
All be it that we may pay large wages for his services, but hopefully when the time comes that Ward replaces him, Wards wages would be sufficiently less, so this would average that out.
Especially if he plays as our No.1 for say the next 10 years.

Plan B
Sell Migs and replace with young proven quality, big wages etc?

{Ed001's Note - not even the winners of the SPFL are guaranteed CL football.}

16 Dec 2015 23:49:19
Any edd's. any chance of a player profile on rob jones please. Ed001!

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, I will add that to my to do list.}

17 Dec 2015 06:27:45
Rob Jones and Steve Nicol are my 2 favourite players to ever wear a Liverpool shirt.
I loved Nicol so much when I was a boy, I used to show the hairdresser a picture of him to copy his hairstyle. got to love the 80's.

17 Dec 2015 07:43:11
Rob Jones is my fave Pool right back ever. Would have been a Pool legend if he hadn't had those injury problems.

Cultured and complete full back.

Ed1, was it shin splints or spinal issues that did it for him?

{Ed001's Note - shin splints caused the back problem which in turn made the shin splints worse. Having suffered badly with shin splints myself and dated a female footballer who had been forced to retire because of them as well I can sympathise with him. They are horrible and affect your gait badly which causes back pain.}

17 Dec 2015 07:50:00
Nicol was unbelievable. He could play any area of the back 4 or midfield. I personally think that he was best at full back on either side. Every players book I have read who played with him talk about how funny he was off the pitch and could drink anybody under the table. Yet put him on the pitch he would never stop running. Watch the 86 cup final. He's up and down that line all game. Rob Jones I think was a complete bargain. My memories of him are a very tough to beat defender who could also run all game. The fans used to love his wayward shots. Sadly I also think that signing McAteer didn't help him. He was moved to left back and that coupled with injuries meant he didn't fulfil the huge potential he obviously had.

{Ed001's Note - I met him as a kid and have never seen anyone down pints as quickly as him. Even the Carlsberg rep with him was flabbergasted.}

17 Dec 2015 08:21:31
I was at a Ronnie Whelan testimonial event as a kid and Nicol was there he was great. He had a race with a fella to see who could down a pint and he easily won. Whelan was drinking a pint of wine! Both very nice fellas who hung around all afternoon getting pictures taken and they were happy to speak to everyone. To top the day off I won the signed Ronnie Whelan shirt, great day and a time when there was a closer link between the players and fans.

17 Dec 2015 09:03:36
Tristan

You actually requested a Stevie Nicol flat-top?

How old were you at this point? .

17 Dec 2015 11:07:26
Would me saying I was only 8 or 9 make me sound any better?

17 Dec 2015 11:57:07
Nicol was a nutter, didn't Souness have him pushing his Automatic once for half a mile to try and get it to start? Rob Jones was called Trigger because he was gullible as a kid. Loved both players.

17 Dec 2015 12:41:22
Cheers mate much appreciated.

17 Dec 2015 21:05:26
I thought Macateer was trigger?

{Ed033's Note - i think Jason McAteer's nickname before he went to Liverpool FC was 'Trigger', however at Liverpool they gave the least brightest person in the team the nickname 'Trigger' and the person who had that name when McAteer arrived was Rob Jones. After a short while at Anfield, the players found out what Jason was like and decided to give him the nickname of 'Double Trigger'