Liverpool Banter Archive September 16 2012

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16 Sep 2012 23:26:54
liverpools been crying out for wingers for years good wingers that can take on the full backs fulham look like theyve found 1in KACANIKLIC i know its only afew game in he plays on the left wing ,& HES YOUNG fits this new model we have at the club ,young & promising good potential hes got 1 goal & 2 assits in 4games,,but guess what he was at liverpool & let go & then we waste 20mil on downing bet villa couldnt believe there luck .when it comes to these key decisions we need some 1 who knows agood player when there in front of there eyes ,,its gona be years before were even close to the top 6 im afraid were as strong as teams like sunderland ,,wigan etc im just realistic & sick at same time

If he stayed I doubt he would have gotten his chance. Remember it was part exchange for Konchesky. Dalle Velle as well if I'm not wrong. {Ed001's Note - then Sterling would be still playing for the kids. It was the right decision to allow him to go.}

16 Sep 2012 23:01:18
With us playing Europe on Thursday and the u21's playing Europe Wednesday, the big game against Man Utd on Sunday. Who would you pick for the game on Thursday, we need to rest players and blood the youngsters in first team football as we are going to need them over the coming months.

There is the point though that would they be better off playing for the u21's against Inter as opposed to playing for the seniors with added pressure should the team be a bit experimental.

I would like to see Assaidi if fit play some part, Sahin too and up front I would like to see at least one of Yesil, Pacheco, Morgan Or Ngoo get a shot at starting or on the bench.
I'd also like to see Jones get a chance in goal just to give him some game time.
What are your thoughts everyone ?
McB

Well the thing is, if were not playing Man U on Sunday I would rather most of the younsters play in the U21s. But we are.

Young Boys
Reina
Kelly Carra Coates Downing
Sahin Shelvey Suso
Assaidi Morgan Yesil

Man U
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Allen Gerrard Sahin
Sterling Borini Suarez

16 Sep 2012 22:26:22
Team for United
Reina

Johnson Skrtel Agger Enríque

Allen Sahin
Gerrard
Suarez Sterling
Borini
I'd say we could leave after 90 minutes with 3 points and our first win if Rodgers gets it right. We were very unlucky yesterday and we only lack a goalscorer. Someone like Defore could do the trick. You could get him fairly cheap if you asked me. Thanks lads
Biddy

Why play Borini?

16 Sep 2012 22:19:20
I'm surprised that there has not been any mention of Alexander Kačaniklić on this site after his performance yesterday. He is only 21 , yet thought of so highly be Martin Jol that he is starting for Fulham. It hurts me to see such a bright prospect creating chances and winning a penalty- to think we got rid of him for Konchelsky and then compounded our mistake by paying 20m for Stewart Downing- lesson there to heed I think {Ed001's Note - yes, don't give Hodgson the job.}

16 Sep 2012 22:18:49
On thursday why dont liverpool try sahin in a more advanced role with his capabilities of breaking defences down then play him behind suarez and leave gerrard out and give hendo a go at the side of allen but all in all im looking forward to thursday,friday and saturday Y.N.W.A

16 Sep 2012 22:00:23
I've read a lot of people on here slating the team and the Manager and think we need to keep things in perspective. I admit, I'm still to be convinced by Rogers and would have Rafa back if he fails, but he needs to be given at least a season. 4 games is not enough.

Despite the doom and gloom, I think there are some positives. Man Utd are one of the favorites to win the League, but are we really that far behind them?

If Reina gets back to form, we have a better keeper than them. We have a better defence and better central midfielders. We fall down in two areas, and everyone knows about it, apart from the last 3 Managers and FSG. That is, the wide areas and the strikers. That these issues haven't been resolved for so long is a disgrace.

Ferguson is not great tactically but he wins games by having good wide men who deliver dangerous balls into the box. They also flood the box to get on the end of these crosses, it's not rocket science. He also doesn't stand for slackers and also knows when to give young players minutes on the pitch to gradually develop them.

Let's start signing players for positions where we are weak, instead of blowing the available funds on positions where we already have plenty of cover. We would be a lot closer to the top if we just used some common sense with regard to potential targets.

redmersey

You are delusional!united are miles ahead of liverpool in every area.man united will be fighting for the league while liverpool will struggle to even get into the top 6!stop dreaming!!arsenal fan btw

Most are delusional on here.And untill they face facts LFC will continue to struggle. Past dwellers most, And loads of armchairs

16 Sep 2012 21:58:37
Hey ed, sorry to bother you on a Sunday evening but I've been hearing ferns do llorente has said something bad about lfc. Is this true ed or do you know what he said.

Thanks jc. {Ed001's Note - not true, he simply said that Bielsa didn't need to join Liverpool, that he could become a legend with Bilbao.}

16 Sep 2012 21:56:20
Hi guys my 1st post after following these pages over the last 2 years and have to say I'm ashamed of some of the so called lfc fans bleating on here about Brendon and FSG

FSG saved our great club and Brendon is going to lay the foundations for future success, but don't expect it to happen overnight as rebuilding from the ground up will take time and we need to be patient, look at Dortmund it took them over 4 years to recover From nearly going under But now they are back at the top and financially sound which is the vision FSG
have for us !

As a true fan I'm happy to wait and be patient and if that's 1 year, 2 years or 5 years then so be it !

All you so called true fans need to get a grip or go support someone else

YNWA

justkelly07

We are just worried that we have shown relegation form all of 2012 with kk and br and no sign yet of getting better and having no natural goal scorer will not help.
we all support the team and manager but you can not blame the realists for seeing the dark side. ynwa red mick tag {Ed063's Note - I love how these negative fans spouting relegation nonsense are all of a sudden considered the 'realists'.}

16 Sep 2012 21:47:44
Guys

Stop acting like a QPR or a West Ham, and remember you're supposed to be a big club.

Calling for your manager's head after 4 games smacks of a small-club mentality, and for all I enjoy watching your troubles, you're a prestigious club with a great history, and supposed to be better than that.

4 games? Seriously?

StevieK

I just thought we sound like Chelsea fans

Sorry brother...its 42 games....4 + 38 last season...in which we did rubbish...

16 Sep 2012 21:46:01
I have 100% confidence in BR. It is an almost impossible task to rebuild AND be successful. We will get there. A question for the Eds (whichever one knows most about Liverpool). Benitez is credited with having rebuilt our academy for the better and I read a while back that it's the players who are under 15 who are a direct product of the changes made. Do you know what changes were made (not in personell but in training methods) and if this is true?

Cheers Eds.

Ash {Ed001's Note - he changed the personnel, who then came in and changed the training methods. So yes, he does deserve a huge amount of credit for the academy and its improvement. The changes made were huge, they almost ripped it all down and started again to be honest.}

16 Sep 2012 21:41:11
Some of the posts on here are bewildering (sack a manager after 4 games honestly & what if the manager after that does not win in his first 4 games?) if the events of this week has not shown us that solidarity, collectivism, media resistance & fight are the required attributes for achieving our aims,then some of us have learned nothing.& respect to Margaret aspinall a Liverpool mother & housewife who never gave in she shames the establishment with sheer dignity......y.n.w.a. Paisley's genius

Aint Rodgers fault its Fenways

16 Sep 2012 21:07:23
Eds fellow reds , one quick point , BR will be at the club til end of season no matter what .reason the owners wanted him .so we can moan all we like it won't change nothing .

Well thats not true if rodgers loses the next 20 games in a row he wont be here so...

I hope this is true, BR just needs time, I am not happy right now with the results, but see that our only bad game was Arsenal.
Andrew

We will keep br as we can not keep paying managers and staff pay offs to leave. and with time and a striker we will get to mid table hoping for good things next season

16 Sep 2012 20:45:45
Have there been any further developments on the stadium issue? I've been hearing a lot of talk about Anfield being redeveloped (which I would prefer over a new stadium) but nothing seems to have been concrete, so to speak.

16 Sep 2012 20:45:26
You'll Never Walk Alone got to number 12 in the charts. Download if you haven't already. #We want No.1
YNWA

16 Sep 2012 20:31:47
just listened to you'll never walk alone and feel much better gnight anfield Kenya

16 Sep 2012 20:25:43
can anyone actually give me any evidence that hes a good enought manager, i can give plenty that hes not such as not yet won a game, sold our star striker without replacement, spent 15mill on one ov his old players whos overated and evry1 will soon turn on wen hes part of a team who finish mid table or worse....all you who defend him and say giv him time to get them playin his football, his footballs crap and liverpool cant adapt to this style, we need to play like we always have with heart and win by whatever means necesarry. rodgers isnt the man for the job. i dont know hu is but we need rid ov this clown... if we play well against united and win then guranteed we will go bk to gettin beat by your readings and swanseas of the league so why even bother lookin good against top teams then go bk to playin with no heart. annoys the hell outa me

worried lfc fan

Would you call sir Alex a good manager? if so go look at his record when he first took over at UTD!! but he was given time and as much as it pains me to say it look at them now, Who's the star striker that we sold? if you mean Carroll he scored 11 goals in 58 games, hardly a prolific record is it, as for allen for me he,s been 1 of our best players, very rarely gives the ball away, I personally am liking the way he,s trying to play and think GIVEN THE TIME he will prove to be a great manager, we,ve bought and introduced new players into the team, its gonna take them time to gel, so instead of calling for the managers head after 4 games why not wait and see where we are come the end of the season.

Here's 1, he's the manager of Liverpool fc.
AnfieldUSA

Okay 1. LEARN TO SPELL 2. He got rid of Carroll 99% certain we was going to get dempsey everyone was certain we was how can you blame that on Rodgers? 3. He hasn't yet won a game from 4 games 2 very difficult games and out of them 2 1 we should have won. We are playing good football and the results will follow if you can't see that your blind 5. You've decided we're going to finish mid table from 4 games? Just another idiotic comment you added

Kids these days

No we can't ,but utd vs villa 20years ago mancs chanting fergie out all game .look what happened next . Think we're stuck with BR like it or not let time take it course is the lesson .but if it gets to bad fsg will always protect there money .after all there buissnessmen.

Lost interest as soon as you referee to Andy Carrol our star striker! He was rubbish for us. Support the team you person!

I can only assume that are young and used to instant gratification and no sight for the future. Have you watched the games? Do you watch football in general? We all want to be winning, mate, and we are not too far away. Constant changes of management has/is doing us no favours at all. I like the direction we are heading and have faith in BR. Judge at the end of the season, not after 4 rounds. As for Joe Allen overrated..great value in my eyes. Plus we are going to have a number of young players with experience under their belts. This is a good thing. We just need to tidy up that front third and hold on to the ball a little better. The rest of it is not too far off.

Andy K

Sad sad post. Really pathetic stuff mate.

Allen is not overrated along with sterling he has been our best player.

First of all - dunno if youve noticed but BR has come out and said he would never have got rid of AC if he knew someone else was coming in. Secondly joe Allen is anansolute class act - any team in the prem would take him. Apart from the gooners game we have dominated and should have taken 3 points. Time will come and we click and take those chances. I'm hoping it's against utd at the weekend!

Realistic red

Star striker LMAO

--"cant adapt to this style, we need to play like we always have"-- LMAO.

google/YouTube the term "pass and move liverpool fc" and have a look at how we *used* to play football when we f**king won everything.

SpudRed

Allen is over rated due to all of us looking for some thing good , have a look and see what he does as i see him doing less than spearing only difference fans want him to be good but with spearing he did not fit in

16 Sep 2012 20:22:59
Dear Liverpool F.C and Brenden Rodgers,

After watching Raheem Sterling play so well for a 17 year old and the fact that I am also 17 has filled me with great fear that despite being a life long ambition, I may never play for Liverpool F.C. Especially as I don't even play for a local "Sunday League" team.

However if it dawns on you that you have missed a talent in me I am very willing to work my way up from the Academy or even Ball Boy. No matter what I shall continue to support the team and promise that I'll turn down United or Everton if they come calling.

Yours Sincerely
McMenemy

Mcmeny keep going my friend - my footy boots are always in the car because you never know when there's a game on!

Realistic red

Dear mcmenemy,

i'd love to help you but i just learned on these pages that i have no clue when it comes to football matters. i have to ask my despot employers, fsg, if they want to sign you, but they don't have a clue either (not even about baseball!!!)
sorry.
brendon rodjers

16 Sep 2012 20:19:16
Long live Queen Brenda! But if he is sacked dont be shy,get "King" Kenny back ha

Probably the worst attempt at a wind up/banter I've ever seen, at least think of something original!

16 Sep 2012 20:06:52
2 points out of 12. At least we are consistent carrying on our relegation form from last season. Rodgers hasnt got a clue, The sooner he's sacked the better. Borini and Allen is such a waste of money. Also, How bad is Gerrard? His legs are long. He's finished. Byebye Rodgers, Thanks for nothing. Liam

Bye bye Liam, thanks for nothing.

- Something Red -

Dear Liam,

What a ridiculous kn-b you are. do a slot called "what a waste of ink". You seem well qualified for the slot. Was there any value or point to your post. Midland red

Grow up FFS!

Leffeman101

Allen is ace. Paisley's genius

Liam please do one

Allen has done nothing to explain all the hype and the 15million neither has borini but if they spend time on the pitch i am sure they will do some things right.

16 Sep 2012 19:51:13
I suggest some of you lot take business studies next year when choosing your options for GCSE'S.

GCSE English would be another course that they should be encouraged to take, so that we won't be subjected to pigeon English from so called fans from England.
Brendan needs to be given a chance have faith. It took 23 years for the truth of Hillsborough to come out and not once did the families of the fallen 96 give up hope or lose their faith in each other or their cause. Brendan needs a fraction of that faith from the remainder of the fans and to be given a chance so stop your whining.

God Bless

John F

16 Sep 2012 19:50:11
Hello Eds,
I know its prob been asked before but is there any chance of having two sections to the banter page; positive banter and negative banter.
Please can you let all the chronic depressives depress eachother as much as they want on their own page and let us true supporters bring some positive vibes and encouragement to the team.
I bet the positive outlook page would get more viewings than the negative.

Thankyou

Deb Fletcher {Ed002's Note - I fear that one would be much larger than the other Deb. Perhaps when Liverpool are back on track it'll be fine. Thursday should be a pushover.}

Yes ed but remember we nearly cocked up against hearts at Anfield! {Ed001's Note - but we didn't.}

16 Sep 2012 19:40:50
In Brendan rodgers we trust moaners and whiners why you guyz are not happy he has already started breaking records that previous managers failed. we need to support him so he can break more records

16 Sep 2012 19:40:33
I think we should give michael ngoo a chance.Everyone say's adam morgan should start,but for me ngoo is a far better all round player.I really think him and suso would bring that little bit of creativity that we lack.Just look at how well sterling has performed,these kids would run through brick walls if they got there chance.Players like downing and henderson just aint good enough,time for the kids to be brought in.

16 Sep 2012 19:37:52
rodgers needs to be given time the club and fans need to get behind him and not try to force him out! YNWA
5stars

16 Sep 2012 19:30:51
We need more chanting and less singing batty old songs. When our team needs support we start singing fields of anfield road! If you want to sing there must be a choir that you can join!

Did you hear arsenals fans at anfield two weeks ago? They were taunting us by chanting stuff like 'youre the spurs of merseyside'. Thats what you call support because it winds up opposition players and makes them commit mistakes. Come on we need more wit!

Hounsred

You sing to support your team.

Mighty reds

Are you a LFC fan? LFC are not like 99% of clubs it is the singing that makes Anfield and the Kop special! When Anfield sings no stadium compares.

But you are clearly taking the piss as even Arsenal fans will tell you their supporters are the dullest in the world.

The last thing a Kopite needs to do is be more like an Arsenal fan.

Ridiculous comment... Fields of Anfield road is amazing!

Are you jokin lad Arsenal have got terrible support, always have. People didn't call it Highbury the Library because it rhymed. Every club has a better away support because there your hardcore fans plus you pay a shed load for an away game so you really go for it, go to an away game and you might know what I am talking about.

Waro

To be fair to arsenal fans, their away travelling fans are alot better than the usual at he emirates. same as with all the london clubs chelsea, spurs, qpr and even fulham.

16 Sep 2012 19:26:08
most of the post coming in are prob from other teams fans pretending to be liverpool fans,
rodgers is an excellent manager and fsg are excellent owners,
if you want to see benitez , then go down to the city center i think hes busking during the day and sweeping the streets at night

majestic69

16 Sep 2012 19:19:04
I'm sick of hearing how Suarez apparently isn't a goalscorer. He's got a career record of a goal every 1.7 games
Let's compare this with the striker (I use the term loosely) who you all were so desperate to keep in the transfer window
A.Carroll a goal every 3.6 games
Oh and while I'm at it what about Dempsey? A goal every 3.6 games
I'll stick with Suarez thanks and put some faith in him.

This is a great post I believe Suarez will get twenty prem goals this season if he plays most games.

Mighty reds

Sorry forgot to sign my OP

Chris in Tamworth

Who scores the goals if Suarez gets injured or banned?

He is world class lad so don't listen to the nuggets you get on here. He creates his own chances which is why he isn't as prolific. If he was missing chances put on a plate for him by his teammates then fair enough have a go, but he is are best player by a country mile and doing what stevie had to do for years ( CARRY THE TEAM ), and theres be**ends on here having a go at stevie aswell yet they wanted dempsey and allen is better than xavi if you listen to them . Mind you they have a go at Kenny aswell so no player has a chance if they slag off a living Liverpool legend.

Waro

Thankfully he doesn't get injured easily!

16 Sep 2012 19:15:45
some one explain to me why rodgers only made 1 sub in yesterdays game,& come on we needed to score afew goals & he goes & puts downing on jesus tim howard scored more goals than him last season.why not put assiadi on or sahin, wouldve made more sence ,if they dont get on from the bench against sunderland what does that say .the manager trusts downing more than them .im struggling to understand.and this new style of play .there was 2r3 minutes left in the game & we were passing the ball around at the back like we were wining 3r4 nil instead of getting it up there &try to win the game **** sake it was sunderland not barcelona im not happy 2points out 12 shocking ,uniteds next & ive afelling its gona be same rubbish different day,

Because we domibated the game! We should have won it by a clear margin!

Realistic red

Jesus tim Howard,never knew he had another first name must have been tough at school

16 sep 2012 19:11:11
come on everyone, it's time to move on from the transfer window n not signing a striker, now is the time to give everyone at liverpool our full support like we always have!

if you disagree with me then should ask yourself:- am i a true liverpool fan?

16 Sep 2012 18:57:53
I actually hope United beat us next week so Rodgers will be sacked, He needs to go now. steve ynwa

Omg steve you are one sad sod and i bet if we win you will be the first to come on here and say well done to the team you sad little man. ASHY

Shut it you fool . YNWA at the end of your post after saying that . You don't really understand what it means .

Jamesy

Disgraceful Steve.

True red hey!..
And just out of curiosity, replace him with who?

If you want Liverpool to get beat off man utd next week then I think ur supporting the wrong team and you should be ashamed of yourself wanting ur team to lose, we don't need fans like you so go support someone else! I just don't get fans like you? Why support Liverpool if you want us to get beat? Get a life

Andy

Jamesy - are you BA Baracus in disguise! "Shut it you fool..." lol :-)

I agree steve rodgers needs to go and he needs to take that shower of persons FSG with him when he goes

I can't believe Steve as the cheek to put ynwa at the end of the post.

Mighty reds

You are a disgrace lad... Disgrace! You should be made to write out on 4 sides of A4 'I know nothing about football. Please ridicule me'.

Yeah, because all the top managers are queuing up to take over our club, get real and support the manager.

And before you say it, Rafa is not the answer.

Red Flag Flyer

BA said Crazy Fool -(:-)

Jamesy

Can't believe this isn't on the dodgy rumours page!!
1.Rodgers won't get sacked if that is the case. If we lost 20-0 yes he would get sacked but do you really want that.
2. Do you think this will be a surprise if we lost. United will be very tough.
Not an LFC fan mate!
You'll Always Walk Alone!!

I really don't know what to say to that post besides that yer head's cut Steve.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

Steve- You need a reality check buddy. Get a life, be positive and try to embrace where the club is trying to go LONG TERM. #romewasntbuiltinaday

I honestly hope you leave your bedroom today.
AnfieldUSA

Far far far too early to be thinking about that we cant judge anything untill were at least 10 prem games in then we start to evaluate and judge

Worst post I have ever read on here. You hope manchester united beat us? There is no place for you in the legion of true fans mate.

Steve u should wald alone...

16 Sep 2012 18:23:05
Are Assaidi and Sahin allowed to feature in europa league matches? {Ed002's Note - Yes, both are.}

I'd add ngoo, suso and pacheco on that list for europa league.

Suso has to get his chance now against Young Boys.

Gerrard should stay at home.

16 Sep 2012 19:07:36
Reina out for ter Stegen,
Danilo in for Carragher,
Mertens in for Downing,
Llorente in for Carroll.

RedKopite

Agree with most of those, apart from Carrol, dont think Llorente is what Rodgers wants, hes to similar to Andy.

When are you going to wise up Llorente hates LFC

Just go back and see his past quotes he won't play for LFC in a million years

So stop making him an LFC player cause he won't come

I wouldnt let andy go jus yet see how he does when he comes bk in january I watched the game yesterday and the amount of crosses wizzing past the opposition goal and no one was there to do a simple tap in its beyond me really is.

Fernando Llorente is Torres(el nino) mixed with Carroll. why can't he work?

it's clear that we won't jump straight from our way into tiki taka so transition in required and you do that by first getting players in that are technical and understand how to play both ways.

a calibration of the two styles until the tiki taka way is embedded into the team(through youth).

barca didn't play tiki taka until all the youth players started to become first team players.

when eto'o and Ronaldinho was there they very much played both forms. counter attack mixed with possession and crosses into the box etc, until the players came through that didn't have the ability Ronaldinho and eto'o had. then xavi and ineista started their partnership.

16 Sep 2012 18:45:45
I just came to say I can see you beating us pretty comfortably this weekend maybe 3-1 due to outnumbering our midfield and you have had a howler start and always up your game against us so it wouldnt surprise me at all..... I am just hoping Evra is not picked he has lost a silly amount of pace in recent years.

Best post of the day!

16 Sep 2012 18:40:51
All we simply need is an out and out goalscorer . In the match yesterday we had 66% possession to sunderlands 34% made 610 passes compaired to their 304 and had 23 shots to there 7 although the match finished in a 1 all draw we dominated but couldnt finish which reflects all off our matches at the start ofnthis season and like many fans i started to feel worried but watching the matches back we have played brilliantly silly mistakes have been made.
Liverpool football club has always had a prolific out and out goalscorer the likes of rush, fowler, owen and to be honast the last one we had was fernando torres but right now we dont have one. As much as i think suarez is a brilliant footballer he is more of a creator of chances than a goalscorer but can chip in with a goal or two when needed like silva for city. Borini is still young and has bags of talent so lots of criticism cannot be placed on him in fact we have the second youngest team in the league with an average age of 25.8 joe allen looks like he has played for liverpool all his life and sterling has been outstanding for a player of his age and with players like suso,yesil,Morgan,wisdom,robinson,Flanno,coady all coming through the youth ranks the future looks very very bright!
Time needs to be given to br to implament what he wants. The owners need to give him money in january to by and out and out striker heres a list ive made of possible players:

Fernando Llorente: Age: 27, Price 15-25 million, games goals last season - 32 games 17 goals

Gonzalo Higuian: Age 24, price 20-25 million,
games goals last season - 54 games 26 goals

Stevan Jovetic: Age 22, price 15- 20 million,
games goals last season - 29 games 14 goals

Edison Cavani: Age 25, price 30+ million,
games goals last season - 46 games 33 goals

Robert Lewandowski: Age 24, price 15+ million,
games goals last season - 46 games 30 goals

Radamel Falcao: Age 26, price 35+ million,
games goals last season - 50 games 36 goals

Daniel Sturridge: Age 23, price 15+ million,
games goals last season - 41 games 13 goals

I would really appreciate your views eds and other reds cheers!

5stars

Higuain? 20-25m? You must be dreaming

Haha falcao 35m, eh more like 65m and £220,000 a week , if only we could sign him.... best no.9 about

majestic69

Your valuations are way off, quoting under value for all except Sturridg who not many on here want. All of the others bar Sturridge are unobtainable without monumental wages or champions league football.

We need to look elsewhere, someone who doesn't necessarily hit everyone's fantasy list. How we do that is by good scouting, or perhaps spying on Newcastle's scouting documents.

Papa G

Suarez is just as good if not better than all of them. I am confident Suarez will get twenty prem goals this season if fit all season.

Mighty reds

They've all had hefty price tags slapped on them by their clubs respectively this summer (especially Higuain and Cavani). I don't think any of these players are as realistic as you might think mate, which is a shame as I'd love to see one or two of them at our Club.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

Just aking who use as fans think we will sign im not sure on prices cheers

5stars

Who we think we will sign from that list? None of them. Someone in the 15M range, perhaps, but in general the 25M+ crowd is out of our reach at the moment.

Decent post mate, its a shame everyone has to pick at little bits of posts. you're only adding a little bit of a personal touch. Anyway FALCAO all day long. He is one of the best i have seen but he has a lot of great support around him relentless balls in the box. Higuain 2nd goal to minute ratio is stunning. But we need to bring through the youth guys we can't afford these astronomical wages.
Ernie

An out and out goalscorer as you put it probably wouldn't do much better in this system, more goals must come from mid field or wingers cutting in.

Bobbinred

16 Sep 2012 18:38:51
My god all these arm chair persons go and support man city please. We have ahead a very unlucky start to the season but these things even out over a season.

Against west brom we could of easily taken the lead before agger was sent off then it's a different game.

Against Man city we played well and should of won but for a ridiculous back pass.

Arsenal was just poor. A culmination of the whole club being deflatted by the transfer window fiasco.

Yesterday we so easily could of won the game. We had about 19 attempts on goal and 62% posset ion yesterday. Once the new players settle and our strikers get confidence we are gonna start smashing teams. We need to support the team to give them confidence then we will climb the table.

Come on you reds

Jkjk23 JFT96

Afraid you are naive in the extreme!
What strikers?
We are in a dire situation with a manager who has a one track mind and won't be shifted.
Joe Allen is a neat and tidy player who doesn't give the ball away,sadly he will never play a killer pass because it's too risky and might lose possession.Hence why I am so bored watching this brand of football.
Before all the replies of armchair fan all come out I have a season ticket and travel to all away games and will carry on doing so but our football is crap.
Do Man U play one system or do they go out to entertain the fans and scor more goals than the opposition.
Our manager seems to think you get 3 P
Pts

16 Sep 2012 18:38:32
Basically folks, it will be tough until January. We are going to have to accept this.

It is not just that we didn't get firepower in, in the combined losses in this department. Key to BS philosophy is that goals should come from other quarters than up front, notably midfield.

Last season, Carrol, Bellars, Maxi and Kuyt got 40 per cent of all our goals and 38 per cent of all premiership goals scored (excluding the 5 own goals). This is a big loss.

Suarez will get goals, but he has the poorest conversion rate in the Premiership (as has LFC). With Gerrard past his peak and playing deeper, Jo Allen not looking like a goal threat and the likes of Shelvey, Stirling, Borini and co unlikely to be banging them in for free, we are not going to be a high scoring team.

We do have some recognised strength in defence though and the top priority with the team we have should be to stop leaking so many goals. We need to start getting some clean sheets. If we shore up defence we will start to put some points in the board. One nil game after game ain't exciting, bit it gets points on the board.

We can then see what BR and FSG are made of in January. Bottom line, they need to spend big (and I mean 30-40m) on two proven and ruthless goal scorers.

Yes ! BS philosophy.

Even when January is here mate it will still be tough nothing is a give me in the prem.

Mighty reds

Whats going to happen in January

FSG aint got no Dough

16 Sep 2012 18:36:51
Dear Brendan Rodgers,

Im pretty sure i speak for every Liverpool fan worldwide when i say please get out of our club, You are not wanted, Terrible style of play, Terrible signings, 180 page dossier? Your a joke. Get out of our great club before you get us relegated.

Yours sincerley

Every Liverpool supporter in the world

And I'm pretty sure you don't speak for every Liverpool supporter. {Ed001's Note - certainly doesn't speak for me, or anyone else I know who supports the club.}

Well not me mate, So your already talking carp, Dont worry though year 8 is a bit easier than year 7 the bullying stops and girls wont laugh at you as much, So chin up your voice will break soon and you'll sound like a boy not a child from then on.

Good luck kid

UCCM

You speak only for a small minority and you know you do which is why you don't have the bottle to sign your post. You're embarrassing

Chris in Tamworth

It does make me laugh when supporters of other clubs come on here wasting energy trying to wind us up!

The *only* time I've been on other clubs' pages has been to give or return some respect.

Oh well...

Matt S - YNWA

Your not speaking for this fan....

Phooey...

Sign your own name person. You don't sign for me, I never gave you my permission.
Bigbadben .

Oh go support city or utd if that's how you feel and don't let the door hit you on ur way out ......? In rodgers, FSG and liverpool we trust and support

Why don't you get out, you'rea pathetic excuse for a 'supporter'

Terrible troll acting.

Jog on Muppet you don't speak for me or indeed any other Liverpool fan you have your own opinion and thats fine. A lot of fans can see the bigger picture and that the club is improving on and off the pitch. FSG are bringing far more money into the club than we have got in the past under other owners and Rodgers is changing back to pass and move football. It will take time but the club is moving in the rightdirection and we are not in massive debt like we were before FSG took over. The next 18 months will be massive for the club as we offload the overpaid players that don't bring anything to the table and the additional money will be spent far more wisely than overthe last Decade, add to that the youth players coming through and we will be back challenging near the top in 2-3 years.

Red 1
JFT96

You don't speak for me

Not me neither
Scouse_Pride

Pathetic pointless post. Perhaps when you go to 'big' school next year you can begin your education.

Person.
AnfieldUSA

16 Sep 2012 18:36:28
I cant believe there is so much negative comments from Liverpool fans.. I joined Liverpool family very late in 1998 and reason for me joining was one of my cousin was die hard LFC fan and would cry on day we didn't win, he suffered from some health issues and was on wheel chair since he was 8 and passed away at tender age of 16 and his last wish was to have LFC flag on his coffin and from that day am part of Liverpool family and I will have Liverpool flag when I die and I love LFC more then anything. Let me tell you how I feel LFC needs something major work to restore and in medical terms major surgery and Roy tried to heel with medicine and Daglish tried Facelift to hide problem but failed and now Rodgers is doing major surgery which was required and it will take time for us to come back. believe it or not this is going to be scrappy season and I have already written off as I can see future benefits. Young players such as Kelly, Suso and Sterling will flourish and Gerrad and Carraghar would be phased out. Time is required and changing manager is not long term solution. Rodgers is young and needs time and our support before we step back to top.. Being champion is not privilege but combination of hard work and dedication proved by our previous success period. We laid foundation on how to be champions time and time again and Man u followed, Recent times have see Chelsea, Man City spending money like water and this has gave some LFC fans idea of LFC doing same. We have been top 4 spending club overall on last 15-20 YEARS still no success in PL, Why? Because we tried to buy it rather then work for it. Rafa has done wonders with Academy and if we keep Rodgers am sure we will reap benefits in future.. I find it really hard when United, Arsenal, Chelsea and ever West Brom fans(am from very near west brom) give me so much abuse, but I just smile because they are just trying to make me angry and get some stupid reaction but I don't respond and smile and just hope and pray one day: one day we will rise again and I will be able to reply with smile again Lets support our team whether we lose or win, lets raise roof on Anfield for every single match and tell world WE NEVER WALK ALONE..Am going to West Brom match end of this month and will be cheering us as always win or lose.

Harry Oldbury

Cant believe you actually see things this way mate! ever heard anyone saying take the rough with smooth. things are rough at the moment and still not very bad looking at first four games so might as well go and support chelsea or city if your looking for a multi million pound squad all will come into place soon!!!

16 Sep 2012 18:28:13
rodgers out ? cmon , rodgers is good manager , its just the player who cant play like he wants .... FSG out ? well , did you guys has already forgot who save us from debt ? in my point of view , i think BR and FSG are the right man to lead lfc ... and suarez is very selfish , good player , but i would mind if he's going, we can sign someone who is far more better goalscorer than him and not selfish like him

16 Sep 2012 18:26:08
I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of all the cry babies on here, god get a grip of yourselves, dust yourselves off and put your toys back in ur prams..... I don't know how any of you can call yourselves true Liverpool fans, FSG out, Brenden Rodgers out, it's pathetic.....you all need to accept that we were never going to challenge for the title coz we aint good enough and have just got a new manager, a new system, new tactics, new players etc........ The club is going through a transition and it needs time and patience..... Just Look at man utd! How long did it take them to come good? Ages......Liverpool are laying the foundations for a brighter future and it's going to take time for things to pay off......I always thought that support actually meant that you followed your team no matter whats happening at any given time, through the good times and the bad, but we seem to live in an age where fans want FIFA computer game success straight away, it doesn't work like that people, would u all rather have gone into administration? If you say yes then get a life coz ur not a liverpool fan and we don't want you supporting our club, FSG saved our club and have started the plan to make us compete for years to come, there will be set backs but it happens to everyone, I fully support Rodgers, FSG and Liverpool no matter what and in a few years time I'll be back on here laughing at all you sad pathetic supporters saying I told you so! A liverbird upon my chest means everything ....... and all I can say is if you don't like supporting Liverpool go support city like all the rest of the glory hunters

Andy k
Justice for the 96
Liverpool forever (no matter what)
You'll never walk alone

Just shows how thick some fans are disagreeing with the above post......

16 Sep 2012 18:19:43
Hi Eds

What the hell is wrong with these SO CALLED LFC supporters. Yes we have not had the best start to the season.Transfer deadline day mistakes were made by not getting a striker in, For christ sake give Rodgers a chance. Its going to take time but the signs are there that progress is being made.

If you don't want to support the team then either give your ticket up or go and support some other team. If these people put as much effort into supporting the team as they do in the negativity we may get soemwhere
REDFORLIFE

16 Sep 2012 18:18:52
I used to love this site, but with all the negativity, I think i'll be staying away from now on. Thanks for everything Eds.

Alan Partridge

Il miss you Alan

Hakunamatada

I'm getting to that point to now mate and that's a massive shame as I've used this site for over 10 years (including the original football rumours site). I'm struggling to handle the Allen is shi* after being our best player this season, writing off a 21 year old striker and a manager after a handful of games. Sad times.

Papa G

Alan I have to agree with you totally. I have been here for around 5 years (including original site) and never seen such constant negativity.
Scouse_Pride

16 Sep 2012 18:09:34
It makes me laugh reading some of the posts. Brendan has only had four games in his Liverpool career. People have got to give him time. I agree that sacking Dalglish was wrong but that is where we are now. Stop moaning and get behind the team and Manager. It is early days yet. A win against Man United and everbody will be happy.

16 Sep 2012 18:06:38
At least Reading lost so were not in the relegation zone

Sland fan here,i thought lpool played good stuff in spells yesterday and so did we,i think both sides havent got out of first gear yet,still its early days.also would say sterling looks a good player and ur crying out 4 a striker,anyway keep the faith and thanx to ur fans and our fans yesterday after what has been a momentous week 4 justice for the 96.tk73

16 Sep 2012 17:02:12
The man who has never made any mistakes has never tried. Rodgers is making the mistakes upon which success is built. Football is choreography and that demands skills, knowledge, and timing. The timing is a little off but with a little luck, Johnson would have made it 2-1

Rodgers is making the same mistakes that Hodgson and Dalglish made. They were sacked. Rodgers will be gone soon. Terrible manager.

Get a grip lad and stop doing what the youth of today does n post angre posts all day long coz they ain't got anything better to do...... In Brendan we trust

Woy signed utter crap in poulsen and konchesky and we played crap football, under daglish we spent big money on a player thats worth 15 mil at the most buisness side of things was crap! footballing side was really good but not good enough for the money spent. And brendan rodgers i dont know i have faith in him and i hope he proves his doubters wrong.

Yes, if only luck was on our side! The successful make their own luck.

Anyone see koncheskys goal today?! Bloody hell! Still worst left back I think we ever had..
Tommy.

How much is Borini worth? Clearly not £10m.. How about Allen? He's worth 10m max.
The differance between Rodgers and Dalglish is Comolli was is charge of transfer fees and negotiations during Dalglish's era, whilst Rodgers is currently responsable for current transfer fees.
Your 'blame Dalglish because of Carroll fee' doesn't really warrant does it.
Dalglish was a scape goat because he wasn't media or fergusion friendly and the fools believed the nonsense.
We end up with a 'protential' manager who lacks experience in the top flight and managing the pressures of a big club.
I wish Rodgers well and hope he's a success but it looks like the knifes are out for him at this early stage.
Doesn't look like a job that appeals anymore does it.

{Ed002's Note - Rodgers does not do the negotiation.}

To be honest I never got it with Konchesky, before we bought him he was a perfectly reasonable and experienced premier league player. Then he pulled on a Liverpool shirt and looked like a pub player

Isnt it strange that people with negative comments rarely sign their posts??

Whether they are in Liverpool forum or Arsenal's or Chelsea's?

Shame

LiverBird

We still finished 8th under Daglish. Also a certain Swansea managed by B.R did the double over us. So did Fulham come to think of it.
JohnnBoy

Swansea only beat us once

16 Sep 2012 16:57:27
10 points dropped out of a possible 12 and the season has only just started. We are terrible to watch. Gerrard is finished. Suarez is so over hyped. Rodgers needs to get out of our club now before its too late. Relegation is a real possibility this season. Its so embarrassing to be a Liverpool supporter the last 5 years. We are a joke. Im starting to hate our club. We are a laughing stock. Greg YNWA

You'll be singing a different tune after we beat man utd

Type 3 Troll....

What sort of supporter could ever think about hating their own club?

You need to start watching a different team, or even a different sport - it's a privilege to follow LFC, the saying "aways a pleasure, never a chore" comes to mind.
Football has always been about laughing at other teams misfortunes, and if you feel embarrassed to be a Liverpool supporter - you are a disgrace.

John B

Starting to hate our club?!? Wow we dont need fans like you go support another team.

Starting to hate your club? I will always love Liverpool..... Paisley's genius

If you don't like it then don't let the door hit u on ur way out, I'm sick of fans like you

Awful post ,...call yourself a supporter,..your a disgrace

In Rodgers we trust. YNWA

Kop71

Whatever position LFC are in, fans NEVER hate the club and nor are we are a laughing stock. Let's be clear we are a club with pride and I am LFC until I die.

The point is a simple one. We currently have a poor side. A combination of poor managerial decisions over the last few years and the evil that was Hicks and Gillet has got us to this place. However, BRs ego has done for us this season. yes, King Kenny overpaid for a few players, but I am sorry, we would not be one spot above the relegation zone if he is still manager.

Chelsea's looking comfortable at the top of the league - you could always put on your favourite blue shirt, look in your mirror and tell yourself how gorgeous you look.

Cuchulainns Hounds

16 Sep 2012 16:49:09
Compared to our corresponding fixtures last season we are 3 points worse off,which is not the worst thing in the world when the manager is trying to instill a new playing style on a shoestring budget compared to the current top 4 teams. Have faith and let's pull together. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were one of the top ten spending teams world-wide this summer - it is a real pity that the fans can't see that.}

How did our spending compare to man city,man utd,arsenal and spurs? {Ed002's Note - Net, Manchester United spent a lot more, Manchester City spent £4M more than Liverpool, Spurs £28M less than Liverpool and Arsenal made a profit of £12M on the summer transfers. Hardly shoestring anymore is it?}

Its still a fact that FSG refused to pay money for a badly needed striker , we have 2 strikers , when most have 5 strikers , its a disgrace , it seems to me that all u eds are just mouth pieces for FSG .
well theres plenty more good owners out there
support BR support LFC
dont support FSG
FSG OUT !! {Ed002's Note - Say you get what you want and FSG float the club on the stockmarket and it is sold to institutional buyers - will you be happy then?}

We might well have been Ed but we still have one of the weakest squads in the prem , that's why we are struggling

15(allen) + 9(borini) + 2.4(assaidi) + 4 (sahin loan + wages)= £30.4m

take away
700k kuyt
4m adam
3m for Carroll, spearing & Ecclestone
3m for Aquilani
+480k pw saved wages = £23m
= £33.7m

take away both £2m signing on fee's for Borini and Allen =£29.7m

£30.4m - 29.7 = a net spending of 700k..... £10m if you include the wages of Allen, Borini and Assaidi.

so spending £10m somehow gets LFC in the top 10 in Europe for spending big in the summer transfer window?

and before you say we paid Aquilani off he had two years left to run on his contract so we saved 8m in wages from him alone. {Ed002's Note - The discuss was regarding transfer fees - and they do not include wages. Your figures are also rather poor guesswork. Liverpools net spending this summer before feews was a little under £30M.}

The table published in the papers today was the top ten in Europe, not worldwide. It was a surprise to be sure. But we were beaten in England, but Manu, Man c, Chelsea and Southampton. Yes, in net terms we spent 28m, but we only have two strikers. {Ed002's Note - I have not seen anything in the papers today but suspect I know what they have printed. For net spend Liverpool made the top ten spend worldwide.}

Some people really aren't happy unless they find something to complain about.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

So ed do you disagree that wages affect transfer business and if we clear those from the books they would have a impact of our profits or lack of.

that's around 23m saved from wages which goes into the books the same way transfer fees do. you said you can't have 1 with out the other (that's why we have the money to buy players like aguero but not the financial power to support those kinds of wages players like him will demand)

so only looking at net spending when its clear we needed to get wages of the books to buy players is to be naive. yes?

because at the end of the day we really did spend a net of 30+ BUT thats one side of the story.....take away the Wages then you'll see that we didn't spend anywhere near £30m and the figure would actually be half that that is why Rodgers thought he had about £15m to spend on the last day. {Ed002's Note - I said nothing of the sort and you look like an idiot trying to put words in my mouth. You cannot simply pick and choose the figures to use - how come you have exluded commercial income, operating costs, insurance? All people are doing is bleating about the owners not putting the money in to transfers - and the point is that they have been. I appreciate you want the owners out which is a reason you give all of these nonsense figures. The owners quite frankly would be best to get out of the club to get away from fans like you, the constant bleating, the abuse and the threats to them and their families. My efforts to explain the actual situation just gets rejected and I get abused for sticking up for the owners.}

Why dont you guys check the amount of money we spent last year?

Did anyone ever say that we were spending more than we should, irrespective of whom we are spending it on?

The truth is we have to financially responsible and if it means sacrificing a season for the well being of the club, the fans should take it with both hands...

The truth again is that FSG rescued us from administration....They could have bought us for knockdown prices after going to administration but they chose not to and then went on to invest handsomely...

The people tend to take everything for granted these days...FSG are good owners and I have seen nothing till now which would lead me to think anything else?

The only sad part was gettting rid of Kenny but we will never know what happened during those discussions.......

LiverBird

16 Sep 2012 16:43:41
You want fast take a breath and think the road and go carefully. Rabi Tagore

BR want too fast and pick wrong Road. Our Best attacking player last year Bellami we let him go free. when Carroll have a good Euro 2012 we let him go Loan. BR never even think Borini may come good but take time. Suarez is the only striker you have in the team. too many mistake in too short time.

hhh

Bellamy is to old and injury prone ..... Has he played for cardiff yet?? Thanks for the service Bellamy but I'm glad we got rid n got yet another overaged player on silly wages

Did you see the goal he scored yesterday mate

Sooty

Played and scored!!

Bellamy scored yesterday

We need a striker who can cover up 1 matcha week. and Bellami is just that. he may not ready 2 match a week but he is good enough to cover up.

hhh

I agree with hhh, we should have kept Bellamy.I'm sure with him playing up front we would have picked up another six points by this stage !! B

16 Sep 2012 16:34:09
Hi Eds, I was always under the impression that whilst FSG were not ever going spend stupid amounts, they were willing to spend on the right players.

My question is, are FSG skint.

redphil {Ed002's Note - They have been spending on players.}

Allens a quality lil player but I for one don't think thy midfield was a problem last year he defo wasn't a necessity making chances and defending were very good last season putting the ball in the net was the area we needed to sort so why did 25 mill go out on a c. Mid at 15 and 10 mill on a player who I have not seen nothing of as yet to warrant that fee surely 25 mill would of got us a tip striker who can score plus Carroll should never of been let go like that !!!!

Just asking because the day it becomes apparant we can't afford Sturridge is the day I start thinking we are skint.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally want him, but that he isnt exactly a Catorgory A player is he. Not even B or C.

Whilst I appreciate they have spent alot in saving us their NEt spend on players over the past 3 years is about 15m a year. And before you mock me for being ungrateful and 15m is alot of money. That level of spending is on a par with lower mid table teams.

So I will re phrase question are we struggling to even find 10-15 million for a striker!!

redphil {Ed002's Note - You need to consider the much bigger picture of the money they have been investing in the club and not just the cost of transfers. The first two seasons it was circa £50M a year. This summer they have spent more than £30M net including fees on players and were in the top ten spenders world-wide. Many of the fans seem only interested in throwing money around and not in the future of the club.}

Most fans just want good owners , who can get in good players , and not mess up transfer windows !!
if fsg havnt got the money they should sell up , theres plenty of good potential owners out there
fsg out !!! {Ed002's Note - Where is the queue?}

To me FSG seem honest guys, who have made mistake's. Just a feeling that we are going to be sold down the river.(TV rights renewell is soon, and maybe we will be sold shortly after that, with FSG getting there big profit from the rights) If they honestly understand the needs of the club, and they aint skint then they would have bought a scorer. Because last season, and furthermore so far this season, it is blindingly clear we miss a top finisher. And they seemed to be looking at loans because they can not afford a striker. When ever anyone ask you Eds what about this or that striker, the answer is normally no chance, the fund are not avaialbe.

Not all doom and gloom- think the team will get there, and Sterling is proving that he is ready for EPL- If Borini starts scoring problem solved. But to put all our hopes on 17 year old and a decent but nothing special stiker is Ultra Risky

16 Sep 2012 15:58:25
Eds fellow reds , nice touch by reading football club . Jf96 cheers psv

16 Sep 2012 15:49:12
Here's a question for those 'outers'..

Who do you want as manager?

Benitez, Hodgson, Dalglish and now it seems Rodgers are just not good enough for you so who is your choice??

Benitez all day long. There is no one else even close.

ConnorsLFC

Benitez.
Liverpool is in his blood.
He gave £96,000 to the Hillsborough fund.
Who else did that ?

Rafa is best

Gerrard
benitez

Diego simone At. Madrid, Jorge Jesus of Benfica, Luis Van Gaal of Holland.

hhh

I know you don't post my comments anymore because of the rudeness , but I can't help myself when I read people suggesting to get rid of the manager after just 4 matches, probably the same people who wanted Dalglish out but all I can say is what a bunch of penguin heads they really are.

Another ridiculous post,
"Benitez.
Liverpool is in his blood.
He gave £96,000 to the Hillsborough fund.
Who else did that ?"

Yes that was very good of Rafa BUT Kenny turned down his £8m payoff, so does that make him first choice and oh Liverpool is also in his blood!

When are most of you going to realise Kenny,Rafa are never coming back to manage Liverpool, get over it....

We are in a building process, it will take time, there is no over night cure,No sugar daddy owner etc so deal with it.. Patience is a vertue to which many of you do not have. If you cannot wait to see the good time again then i'm sure Citeh,Scum and the russians have space availble in their low life fan base.
Get off the Ed's backs,they have explained time and time again the situation..
Lee73

The lad in row 23 on the Kop will do for me - anyone except Benitez. When are people going to realise, plenty of well known people, including football players/managers give cash and time to worthwhile causes, it was good of him to donate the money to the fund - but be realistic £96,000 to him is like the average LFC fan giving 10 pence, my understanding is most of our players/staff, gave money to the fund, but didn't shout about it.
The man is out of work for a reason - he's unemployable.

John B

You helmets. All of you!

DaveyBootle

No disrespect to Kenny intended, but I don't believe that he rejected the compensation he was due (nor should he have felt obliged to do so).

Kenny Dalglish did NOT turn down his payoff. This was a ridiculous twitter rumour started by Liverpool fans who refused to understand that it wasn't working out with him.
As confirmed by James Pearce from the Echo.

I sit in row 23 in The Kop, Block 105. Any
chance of an interview?
Knowsley Red

All apart from Hodgson are good and progressive players....

The only difference is Kenny and Rodgers play much more attacking football compared to Benitez...

But all three are fantastic.........

LiverBird

16 Sep 2012 15:48:34
How about a change of subject.
I'm bored of all the Brendan out, cavani in rubbish.

What teams shirt does everyone like excluding our own?

I like swanseas this year.

Discuss.

MIKEY

Baggies

Chris in Tamworth

Good topic makes a change swansea's kit is boss & I like the baggies away kit & bayern Munich tend to have good kits the Opel sponsored one is a classic does anyone remember the man city away kit 88 I think red & black squares that was neat & real Madrid Hummel kit 87 cool.... Paisley's genius

Barcelona away, I think it is, the orangey thing. Fantastic.
Tommy.

Swansea kit is my favoitite too...worst either United tablecloth or Aston Villa's- hardest shirt to mess up het they still did.

RedKopite

I think Spurs away kit is shocking. I quite like Arsenals kits this year!

16 Sep 2012 15:39:45
The apparent £140m warchest is very much real (including sales of course) Jovetić, Llorente, Walcott and Blaszczykowski
are all options.

If the 0 was taken off, it would be more believable

And add a decimal point then your close

Take off the m

"14m is all FSG will be willing to "thrash out"

16 Sep 2012 15:37:44
When a 17 year old is your best player thats shows how weak FSG have made us. Rodgers should be held accountable for the loss of Carroll he wanted him out and never gave the lad a chance. I don't care what people say but Borini is a waste of money. I would rather have Dempsey every day of the week.

Rahm Sterling would be one of the best players in any team in the EPL at the moment!

MR EM

I think Rodgers as his own agenda regarding Kenny's signing,by refusing to play all but Suarez.Carragher on the bench before Coates.Henderson as not been given an opportunity, when he his technically a better player than Shelvey.

Talk about disrespectful to raheem. He would get into most prem teams at the moment. He in the team on merit..
Tommy.

Stirling is still a rookie. He was poor first half yesterday and only started to impressed as Sunderland's defence tired. Until he bulks up a bit and gets stronger on the ball he will not be the player he can be. He will get there, but next season will be when he really starts to cause havoc. Let's hope we protect him and then don't flog him in the summer.

16 Sep 2012 15:33:16
FSG are the worst owners in the prem. They should never show their ugly face at anfield ever again. Now we have a squad who are useless and a manager who thinks a draw is a good result. I would be happy with top 10 with these players and the tika taka clown.

Are you talking about FSG who saved our football club? They have invested in the club but Kenny wasted a lot.

Mighty reds

Some of you "kids" ain't got a clue.
Lee73

16 sep 2012 15:30:49
rodgers and fsg out

Packed lunch? Check.
Homework done? Check.
Bigbadben

16 Sep 2012 15:03:16
Only seen the highlights of yesterday's game, but we certainly looked the better team. Poor defending again though for the Sunderland goal, first a weak challenge by Johnson then centre half wrong side of Fletcher (Skrtel I think).

Shearer has to be worst pundit going - on his assessment of Allen & Gerrard - the whole idea of having a balanced midfield is that you have players with different styles who compliment each other?

The much heralded Scholes consistently passes the ball back and sideways to retain possession, yet Allen does this and gets slated! I see hmi passing the ball forward when the right pass is on, not before.

Also, Borini needs a goal then I think he will go on a roll.

Think we will come good but we all need to give our support to BR.

JFT96 YNWA

The Jackal.

Rodgers is clueless

Allen will learn to play forward passes more when he feels more ccomfortable in the team. He is very much a safety first midfielder anyway, and shearers examples of forward passes he could of played only one would of come off anyway the others would have been intercepted.
Allen will play forward passes when he sees the players in front of him in decent positions. Like you say we had gerrard for that. Allen will probably be one of our better players this year. If not the best.

MIKEY

Bit disrespectful to compare Allen and Scholes really don't you think? Allens not fit to lace his boots

Henderson rarely gave the ball away last season yet got blasted for short passes.

The goal came from Johnson not being strong enough, Agger out of position and Skirtel the wrong side. Defensive errors have cost us 4 points. Allen is a good player, need patience and realise what we are, a team rebuilding. The players need our support.

EVO YNWA

Allen has shades of scholes & Lucas he is boss!

I think a lot will disagree, but when Lucas comes back I just cannot see a place for Allen in the team. Allen is a tidy player, but at the top level you need a bit more. He's no Alonso. Ray Wilkins nickname was 'the crab' as he passed it sideways all the time. Allen is the 'new crab'. I'd have Hendo over him as at least Hendo looks to do something with it all the time. It's great having 60-70% possession all the time, but we've only got 2 points. We should have bought a quality winger and striker in the summer, not Borini and Allen. Sahin was a good one though and I'd play him over Allen too.

16 Sep 2012 14:59:45
I must admit Roggers is anoying me abit but I still stand by him for now, We have to get some decent results soon though...
Not long before Bring back the King starts chanting from the stands

16 Sep 2012 14:59:05
I'm just wondering what people think might happen if Suarez refuses to shake hands with Evra again.

Surely it's time to move on from this and Luis has to oblige?

Cheers,

Raoul {Ed002's Note - I would very much doubt that he would refuse; if he did it would bring the whole issue back up in the press again.}

The FA should forget hand shakes before the game and let the players shake hands after the game if they wish. aklfc

I wouldnt worry because Evra as lost his place to that buttner lad {think thats his name}.

Who cares we will loose the game thats all that matters

The drama was far greater for Suarez than Ferdinand.

Hand shakes before the game have nothing to do with the FA and should stay

Chris in Tamworth

If the hand shake is to be kept, just leave it to the captains at the coin toss and have done with it, then hopefully it will stop all the BS in the future and currently about it. AntB

Chris in Tamworth, shaking before the game is relatively new - brought on by the Respect campaign. Fun fact.

McSnuggles {Ed002's Note - Most players have a shake before the game - it saves the needing to leave the field of play before half time.}

McSnuggles, I'm aware that it's relatively new but I thought it was a FIFA ruling. I apologise if I'm wrong

Chris in Tamworth

Ed002, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Just. I lol'd. Thank you.

McSnuggles

16 Sep 2012 14:56:18
I think we should go all out and get neymar! aha

Keep on dreaming we can even afford dempsey!

Lil Red

I think we should go all out and get better posters.

I'd prefer the current strikers to start scoring between now and January.

16 Sep 2012 14:34:30
We have to be careful with Liverpool because I see the same cracks everton once had.
Everton were a great club who was once one of the biggest clubs in England.
During the eighties Liverpool and everton dominated. Then came the nineties and everton didn't build on their structure, squad or club. They bought poorly and made the wrong decisions. This created their club to plumit to which they are trying to fix even today. Generations in world football now don't recognise this club and they find it hard to bring in tomorrows European promise.
Liverpool havnt chose wisely in the squad for years upon years years and now we appear weaker and more inconsistant than ever.
Three years without champions league now next yano it's 10years and we struggle to bring in a european big gun.
I'm a little worried.
I look at our squad and see bags of promise and youth but then I ask myself ' how many of our players would get in to the Chelsea, City, United, Aresnal, Barcelona, Madrid or even the Spurs squad?
And this worries me.

Suarez Gerard Allen sahin sterling Johnson skirtle agger Lucus?

I agree. We missed UCL football for one season and everybody thought it would be a blip. We've been nowhere near since and now it's the 4th season in a row and we are not going to be close this season. Remember it was exactly the same after we last one the league. Severe under performance like this has to be attributable to the way the club is run and the complete failure of the club to bring a top-class manager. If they wanted to change direction after KK, it was imperative they brought someone in who had the proven track record to guarantee success. They brought in BR because they knew there was no money to spend and that a top-class manager would not come once he knew his budget. I agree they will run the club well financially, but only to raise the value and then sell it on. They know that the fan-base will be there for another 5-10 years no matter what happens on the pitch so they will max out on the value and then sell.

16 Sep 2012 14:07:24
Come on lads my bet fair account is looking pretty bleak.Its in my blood I can't put us down for a draw etc I'm going to go on now and put a big wedge on us to beat red nose and his diving little s***s.

Nice one lad.. Written in the stars to get our first win
Tommy.

16 Sep 2012 14:04:22
Our top 3 players yesterday?

Noshbag

Big Dave ( row 6 seat 21) has to be contender for top spot as he shouted more instruction to the players than Rodgers did and never gave up the fight.

Sterling Suarez and Johnson when in opposing half. Gerrard and reina also showed well after poor starts to the season.

1- Sterling
2- Sterling
3- Sterling

Sterling allen suarez

majestic69

Johnson, Sterling, Gerrard

Sterling, Allen, Gerrard

How can you people put gerrard in the top three?

he was bottom three for all players in the game. and allen misplaced about 25% of his passes.

Sterling, Borini, Suarez.

would put johnson if he defended better on the goal.

16 Sep 2012 13:40:18
Hope to see some of the fringe players like Morgan & Suso, play alongside Sahin and Assaidi against Young Boys. I'm especially waiting for Samed Yesil to make his full debut! Singred

I would like to see Ngoo given a go before Morgan.

16 Sep 2012 12:46:44
Brendan Rodgers is Pathetic. To be happy with a draw he should be axed. This is not swansea this is liverpool 2 points for 12 is a joke.

Your the only joke pal.

Absolutely shameful you are mate

He should'nt sacked, thats just daft, where would that leave us?! i do agree that he shouldnt be happy with a draw, what kind of result will he be happy with against united? maybe just a 2-0 beating?

To early to judge him yet and come Christmas our football might be we're he wants it to be.
Stylish football and league position could be a positive then.

He never said he was happy with a draw! he said he was disappointed not to come away with 3 points but also said that a draw at sunderland isnt a bad result as they are good at home under martin o'neill! What is hard to understand about that?

Ian the red

Are you a complete fool, look who we've played, 4 games in we've played City and Arsenal who are top 4 and then Sunderland who can mix it up and West Brom who are a difficult team. If we had drawn against Brom lost to City and Arsenal and drawn against Sunderland then not as many fans would be slating the team.

Anfield Andy

The nameless OP is clearly winding us up! I've learned long ago to ignore such personic posts. Singred

Bad first game against WBA. Played Manciteh of the park and lucky to get a point. We didn't turn up against Arsenal and we played Sunderland of the park. It's a young team with a tough beginning fixture list. I have total confidence in BR and his philosphy. Yesterday demostrated the team are getting used to the new formation. I'd like to see Yessil start in the europa cup and if he shines start him after the Man Utd game.

16 Sep 2012 12:40:08
There's no point playing tika taka in the championship.That is where we will end up
Bodgers out

Shocking post mate

Manc!

Ian the red

16 Sep 2012 12:39:01
Rodgers is USELESS just like FSG. I think Swansea got the better deal.They got a better manager who cost less money. You deluded fans think he will be given 2-3 years i don't think so he will be sacked by xmas he makes woy look good.

What a joke you are mate

We couldnt afford to sack him,

How much as it cost us sacking Benitez, Hodgson, Dalglish. There comes a time when enough is enough.
Stand by your coach as Mourinho is NOT coming and replacement not out there.

Its not BR fault , he asked for 2 new strikers , and got nothing , its FSG fault , they made a terrible mistake ,
SUPPORT LFC AND BR
FSG OUT !

16 Sep 2012 12:34:02
Tika-taka football?
What tika-taka football?
Both sides where poor yesterday.

Redonion

Funny that because alan kennedy and ian st john were both pleased with the performance yesterday and we all know what they achieved in the game! what you got to say about that?

Ian the red

Sunderland fan hey?

16 Sep 2012 12:26:17
Hey eds, hows it going??

Could i just get ur opinion, do u think this new liverpool show "being liverpool" will more of a positive or negative on the club?

YNWA JFT96!!! (Well done to the independent panel! they did an amazing job putting all that together)

BADGER {Ed002's Note - It is meant to be a true reflection on how it is at Liverpool with no spin.}

So will we see them in a classroom learning about conspiracy theories?

All the Mancs on the site today need to jog on...

McSnuggles

16 Sep 2012 12:54:41
Hi eds and reds! Am I the only person who thinks we need a Fellani type player! Someone who can play on the floor or in the air, some people saying Llorente but I haven't seen much of him so I can't really judge! Opinions much appreciated!
Redmanluka {Ed001's Note - no thank you, too slow, too dirty and not good enough on the ball for the footie we are trying to play. We are not Stoke or a Fat Scam team, we want to play football on the floor, like it should be played.}

No but Fellani can play but someone like him could be plan B!
Redmanluka

It is not time for a plan b mate we cant even afford to buy players to play in a plan a we have no plan at the moment concentrate on plan a before u move onto any plan b's how much mpney do u think we have

16 Sep 2012 12:50:34
All action passing football, without a 'cutting edge' finish counts for absolutely nothing.
So if Plan A is not working, what is Plan B.
Sadly with the limitations in attack, we are only able to play 'one style' of football.
Such a pity that Lucas is injured, as we look very vulnerable to quick counter attacks.
As we only seem to have 'one style' of play, all our potential opponents will work us out very quickly, and adapt their playing styles.
Red Alert. {Ed001's Note - rubbish, it doesn't work like that, hence why Liverpool dominated Europe year after year using the Plan A we are now reverting to. Also the one Barca have dominated over the last few years by using. You don't need a Plan B, you just need to become better at Plan A.}

You need good players to play a plan A only , we dont have enough , when u got owners who wont spend only 6 million on your only striking option ?? anbd then leave your manager with out the 2 forwards he asked for and needed !!
then a relegation battle is what are in for

Well said ed01

To be fair Rodgers on been here 5minutes and at that time had to contend with holidays, international duty, hilborough, and the behind the scenes stuff.
He's now got a run with the players to implement his ideas, work closely with the squad and get the best team behind him ready.
Give it till Christmas before you judge him.
& cheers &

Plan b is for losers

16 Sep 2012 13:10:09
Honestly wasn't expecting a draw, but anyway. Some positives:

a) We didn't lose

b) We finally scored from open play

c) Suarez bagged himself a goal. Will do his confidence massive good

d) The performance in the main was progressive: 1)the fluency and precision with which the football was moved was at times immaculate, 2)the interchanging and patience in the final third was largely impressive and 3)we virtually kept them at bay for the entire 90 and thoroughly dominated the match.

E) We got in good positions and created some very good chances. (I'd be a heck of a lot concerned if we weren't creating in the first place.)

F) Sterling had a blinder and continues to blossom into a fine footballer. He gives us more with each game he plays. #Progress

G) Borini created good space and got in more dangerous positions. Good young striker. Ever improving. When he eventually gets that first goal, it'll set him on a roll.

Yesterday's was a progressive, thus encouraging, display.
Rodgers' way is no overnighter, but an on-going process, one of learning, fine-tuning and finally mastering.
Telepathy, game intelligence, patience and composure and technical mastery, you don't master over a week.

Personally, I'd a more concerned if we weren't making inroads of any sort. But we ARE. There's pattern and cohesion, to our play. At every training and every game, the aim is to improve, do better the last session and match.

So save for Arsenal, I'm pleased with what I've seen the past couple of games.
West Brom have always been more than impressive against us the Hawthorns. A lose there could NOT have been discounted.

City. The last time we beat this lot at Anfield was some 2 years ago if I remember correctly. In any case, they are the best team in the division. It would have been most naive to only expect nothing a win.
Arsenal. They are our 'bogey' team. Over half a decade's passed since we last got 3 points vs them at Anfield. It would not have been unwise to expect a lose against them.
Sunderland. Well, before yesterday, they'd won two of our three previous encounters there.

So basically, we could have played WBA, City, AFC and SAFC at any other time in the season and likely still got those results. Those outcomes, to be fair, are anything but untypical.

Important thing is that we ARE improving, game by game. Soon it will come together.
This week we come up against Utd.
Certainly they have a formidable attack. Kagawa is an admirably intelligent footballer, a nifty little player. Not to RVP, most lethal, indeed best, score in the division. None of us would have forgetten the thorough punishment he administered on us last season.

That said, though, their defence has been nothing to write home about. Both on an individual and collective level, we should find minimal difficulty in ripping through their backline.

Don't even get me started on their midfield. Hugely unimpressive. Possibly the worst of the top 6/7, and certainly their worst in years (though Scholes' a proper class act and thus will have to be carefully watched out for).

Sahin and Allen handle and move the football better than anyone they have there, bar Scholes, but even he has done nothing of note in his recent visits to Anfield.

I expect we'll dominate the midfield, and thus the whole game. One aspect that worries me though is the final third. If there's an aspect of the game Utd could possibly edge, it will be that one.
As I pointed out, RVP's a difference maker; he doesn't need many invites on goal.

But anyway, I'm positive. We playing good stuff and the boys will be pumped up. Anfield will be rocking for sure.

As for the serial moaners, the fickle mob, two choices you have here: 1) be part of the solution and support BR, the owners and boys. 2) Alternatively, you can be liabilities, in which, promtly scurry into your little burrows and emerge again after Rodgers is no longer manager, which, to be straight with ye, won't be at least until another 4 decades from now.
Thicks!

BARNEY

Great post mate

Watch Sterling run rings around Evra - that'll be fun to watch! Singred

Run rings round him all day then there's nothing left for him to do, end product will come to nothing

16 Sep 2012 10:54:38
as i said to ed001 the other day to which he agreed we wont move forward or win anything until gerrard n carragher leave.its time to take the captains armband off gerrard and give it to sumone else.lucas or agger to name a couple.correct me if im wrong but didnt we take it off hyypia and give it to gerrard.

ferguson drops the big names so why cant our manager.drop reina gerrard johnson tell them to buck up or stay on the bench DORSET RED

I agree that no player should be selected on his status, but i certainly dont think Gerrard is. He still has quality, just not the dynamic player he was 4 years ago. I suggest people look at yesterdays game and compare Allens neat 10 yard passes forward and sideways, taking it of the back 4 then passing it back again. Then look at Gerrard, lifting his head for a ball forward that might actually lead to a goal. Both players are needed, but Gerrard will be the only one of the 2 that will win you a game.

The Irish Rover

He should still be the captain when playing but I agree he needs to be dropped now and again.
He's still world class on his day but he can't do it every week now. Age, injurys and carrying the team for so long has took it's toll.
Sentiment should never decide who plays.

MIKEY

Johnson's been fine all season, stop chatting rubbish and get behind your team.

Hope rodgers dose drop him, but the fans will turn on him, because thay are all blinded he is a good player , he has been awful for 2years, he is holding us back, carragher is a great pro always 100percent effort unlike gerrard jus strolling around the pitch

majestic69

More and more it seems Gerrard should be coming off the bench. Between Lucas (when he comes back), Allen and Sahin, which two will play the holding midfielders position? All three should be playing. The only option is to sit Shelvey & Henderson on the bench (which stalls their development once again) and play Gerrard further upfront. The ideal formation is a 4-5-2 with Lucas, Allen, Sahin, Shelvey, Sterling in midfield and Borini & Suarez upfront. Henderson can come in for Sterling for a stiffer more defensive formation. ra1969

Totally agree with Irish Rover,Gerrards passes were far more effective and better than Allen. Gerrard looked at the forward pass, and some of these will be intercepted, Allen did not loose the ball because he passed it 10 yards side ways ..
We can't expect Gerrard to score the winning goal all the time, there are another 9 outfield players that need to take responsibility ..
We still need Gerrard, a little rest every now and then , yes , but he is still very important to us, I do wish he retires from international football though.
Roy

16 Sep 2012 12:07:49
Poor BR, he really can't win can he.

After the Arsenal game, all I read was Shelvey should have played instead of Sahin. He's the player in form, he would have made a stronger impact. Well he played yesterday and look what happened, everyone is now crying for Sahin.

Borini should be played upfront they cry and Suarez out wide as he was great there for Ajax. Well what I saw yesterday is that Borini works harder than Suarez and we need him a little further wide but given licence to get into the box. I can really see the concept of a rotating front three working a little better than set positions, which is what BR wants, but this needs time.

I think the decision to drop Gerrard deeper made sense. He plays well there for England an it tends to lead to him using his energy more wisely and composing his game. Personally I thought he played well and should have scored. Again people have asked for this.

The defence looked a little better bar the one mistake, yet again. I know people moan about Johnson defensively, but as an attacking force he can be exceptional. He's a great outlet and it's a shame Kelly wasn't so positive on the right. Again BR got asked to drop Enrique and did, so why all the moaning.

We're a work in progress and things will take time. Please have patience, as BR has a lot of things to put right from past seasons. Yes we need more reinforcements, but I can honestly see a bright season. Last year bar the cups, we were dismal from January. This year we've had a tough start, but if we continue to progress till January and then reinforce I can see a strong finish. Arsenal had a shocking start last season and finished third, so it can happen.

Papa G

16 Sep 2012 12:04:24
Plz can some one tell me what has Rodjers improved last year we needed striker to challange top4 but now looks we are going backwords. Rodjers got money for striker and he blew on borini. He really needs to turn things quickly before anfield starts calling his head let's be honest he knew what challanges are ahead and excepted now looks like he is same as AVb very stubborn has no flexibility blew more then £13M for sahin where we needed striker. He needs to understand there is big difference to manage liverpool then championship team. I don't think owners will give him time especially when our form doesn't improve after all they are bussiness people they want results in a cheap way which is why Rodjers was brought if our form continues then will be hard to even attract new sponsors

Sahins on loan.the last day of the window was not his fault, give him time he will be fine

2xboo

Sahin's here on loan and was therefore nowhere near £13m. Anfield will not start calling for Rogers' head any time soon it'll be online persons like you. No-one sees any virtue in having five managers in five years and all proper Liverpool fans understand the need for patience.

Kieran.

If Lucas wasn't struggling with injuries, BR probably wouldn't have brought Sahin in. Ant B

Ed2 mate plz can you shed some light did sahin loan fee coast 13M or orignal poster talking rubbish mate {Ed002's Note - I explained the Sahin loan fees at the time so should be no problem finding them in the search engine. I would ignore the OP.}

Well said kieran!!

billynwa

16 Sep 2012 12:02:41
Is there any Liverpool fan who isn't stupidly negative or stupidly positive?

Not many judging by this site mate
Greaty

I know, we are serious drama queens, gotta love it!

Me, i've accepted our position in the prem league (upper middles class). that's not stupidly negative because that's were we are. we haven't got a big squad and our best player seems to not want to play the style of football we're trying to play.

although we only need a few players in to change that and make us lower first class.

1. We need a proper CF a bully who can play football.

2. We need a better creative player (AM) gerrard is creative he is just charge in and shoot on sight or with no sight.

3. A replacement for Downing because truly he isn't our answer form the bench. he's 28 but a guy 11 years younger has more cojones than him.

Fernando Llorente Torres, Martin Harnik, Michel Bastos

£30m should get them

sell downing £9m add the £7m from Carroll, Spearing, Adam & Ecclestone we got towards the end of last transfer window = £16m and then if the owners can't put in an extra £14m then......Houston, we have a problem. {Ed002's Note - You think the owners have this pile of cash in an envelope from the end of the summer?}

16 Sep 2012 11:52:01
Hope we learn from our mistakes. When Sunderland has the Ball, one never gets a feeling that they are dangerous. The player thought the same

16 Sep 2012 11:33:08
I can see what Rodgers is trying to do and I know it's early days. we feel let down over the dempsey saga but we have to move on.
Attack looks ok but defense doesn't look as strong under new system particularly Skretl who doesn't seem comfortable with the ball at his feet. here's hoping he'll improve.
The passing has improved but too much of it is in our own half.
The midfield have struggled in 3 games because our play (or team) are too stretched out leaving big gaps through the middle.
We need to play further forward and more compact like Barca (obviously not at their standard yet!)
Goal attempts need to be composed and accurate.
It's a big job and it's going to take a while.
Please give us EXCITING football with meaningful passes!
Come on you reds!! Stevie oh gee

16 Sep 2012 11:04:28
Why aren't we playing Assaidi! He has 5 star skill on FIFA 13

Fifa 13 is out already?

Kaizer

Ha ha ha ha, sorry mate but ha ha, fifa 13, well thats that then

billynwa

16 Sep 2012 10:45:57
Hello Eds,

I felt we were crying out for a finisher (which everyone knows) and also a strong CDM someone like Capoue or Wanyama in the middle to break up play.

I am still remaining positive and hoping for the first win and hopefully it kicks off a rampage. Also staying positive that maybe the owners give us around 20 mil to spend in Jan. Maybe they didn't want to spend much in the summer because our scouting team wasn't in place. Hopefully we use it to buy Walcott and Capoue. Maybe even sell Downing for around 8-10 mil and buy another striker.

16 Sep 2012 10:44:23
After watching the the first 4 games of the season Ive noticed we are really open to any counterattack, without Lucas in there to break things up we are in trouble against it, it bothers me that yesterday Sunderland only had one good chance n scored from it, what was glen Johnson doing? He never got stuck in n let him past to easily, here's an Idea Brendan, play a right back at right back not as a left back, silly managerial mistake IMO, we have played well against city n Sunderland but only have 2pts to show for it out of 12 pts......i am getting slightly worried but I'm keeping the faith and going to be patient coz that's what true fans do.......in Brendan we trust.....bring on the mancs

Andy

Johnson is better at left back, since he concerntrates more, Plus he can cut inside and have a shot with his stronger foot.

Enrique wasn't playing yesterday and seems out of sorts and/or carrying a slight injury, so its either Robinson or Johnson at LB because Kelly really isn't comfortable there. Robbo is probably too young just now, so Glen is the best option. Ant B

16 Sep 2012 10:29:31
I think we are really going through some serious bad luck. We hit the post twice and they score from one opportunity they had entire match. The previous matches have been similar. Gods are not really smiling on LFC at the moment.

Whatever you guys say, Suarez is easily our best player and he is the main reason for getting us the 2 points we have so far this season. Without him, we would have a grand total of ZERO.

A couple of questions:

1) Would it make sense to play Gerrard as the main striker? He has the pace and is probably one of our best finishers. He just can't hack it in central midfield anymore. Either play him upfront or on the wing.

2) Does BR have an issue with Enrique? I am not sure how GJ can play left back ahead of Enrique. As much great he is going forward, defensively Johsnon is always a liability. I am a little worried about BR's approach towards certain players (Carrol, Aqualani and Enrique).

Things will turnaround, trust me {Ed002's Note -

1) I've long held the view that Gerrard's future is to move forward into a pure second striker, like Sheringham or Totti rather than backwards into a defensive midfielder or playmaker. As a #9 though, I don't think he'd work. He's just not going to stay up and engage the centre halves. Of course Suarez doesn't really do that either.

2) Enrique missed both the opening game and this one through minor injury. If you really want to dig for a conspiracy and say he's not really injured that badly, then you can. You may be right, or you may be wrong. But the official line is that he was injured. He didn't exactly play badly against Arsenal, imo.

- Something Red -

Suarez will get twenty prem goals this season. But others need to chip in.

But we played very well yesterday and teams are always going to be given a game at Sunderland. So a decent point I think. Let's look at the league table in December. People need to chill out.

Mighty reds

Gerrard was crap again , joe allen outshone him yet again

majestic69

If BR is experimenting he should try Glen on right side of midfield,he could also swap wings with sterling, takes players on and gets shots in and was our most dangerous player going forward yesterday,granted he`s not the best defender so play him in kuyts old role, borini is not a winger,nor is downing !

Allen, Shelvey & Hendo until Lucas is back imo. Gerrard last 20 mins - all he is good for now.

16 Sep 2012 10:21:08
Frustrating times looks like we're in for a tough season of transition but there's little signs of life
The positive so far has been Raheem Sterling who has pretty much been single handedly leading the fight backs
Joe Allen although I agree needs to be more positive is sound enough
The major disappointment for me so far is Borini combined with the lack of chances for our younger players. If Raheem can Make the grade surely Morgan and Suso need the same chances seeing as our first 11 aren't setting the league on fire
I think it's about time we saw what Assaidi has to offer even if a cameo from the bench and if we are going to struggle upfront surely let's give Yessil a go while young his international form is way better than Borini
If its going to be a season of transition Rogers needs to take more risks and be bolder with team selection
It amazed me Sahin didn't play at all yesterday looked good last game and we only have him for a year.

Why do people go on about morgan. He will never be good enough. lacks pace, cant tackle and has no awareness of anything around him. pops up with goals in the 18yard box for the youth team but thats not that tough when yon never leave the 18yard box. premiership defenders would have hin in their pockets {Ed002's Note - One of the people "going on" about Morgan is Robbie Fowler.}

Is this not what we need ? Somebody in the box waiting to knock them in.

Morgan is actually pretty quick

16 Sep 2012 10:13:09
morning eds reds im watching the football sunday supplement they have mentioned chanting at old trafford yesterday , apperently about hillsbourgh, eds reds did anyone hear anything? godbless96 steviep62 {Ed002's Note - It will be a minority from the lower end of the of the evolutionary scale. The "Epsilon Minus" as termed by Aldous Huxley.}

Epsilon minus perfect descripition

(some) scummy fans, scummy club and scummy city. Thats why Manchester, is full of sh*t.

It was only a handful of fans ( although it is not an excuse). From what my mate told me who was at the game, they were quickly put in their place. Its the society that we live in unfortunately. Every club has them, even Liverpool.

The Irish Rover

Eds, re comments above ...... {Ed002's Note - I had already deleted the message before but somehow someone let it through. I have deleted it again.}

Im a manchester united fan who was at the game yesterday and the minority wer soon drowned out and and the disrespectful chants failed to start up again. in a 76,000 capactiy stadium theres always a few drunken persons

Next week its our arched rivals, Us liverpool supporters need to get behind our team, Drown any mancs chants out and show them who the biggeset team and supporters are in the world and hold our heads up high. We liverpool know the real truth, and no matter what we will never walk alone.

16 Sep 2012 10:12:33
Dont know how i feel about Rodgers talking up the team today. Okay,the performance wasn't too bad,but we still only managed a draw. We seem to make very average teams look good. I fear mid table obscurity.
WBD

Sunderland did not look good, we completely outplayed them.
Paul Mc

16 Sep 2012 10:05:27
Hiya to all,i am a Man United fan and was at yesterdays game,unfortunatley a few jerks were singing sick songs again.Luckily it was only a few & every season it seems to be getting less but its still a few to many.I am 50 years old now & attended all the games in the 70s & 80s when things were really getting out of hand on both sides. To be honest i know that we dislke/hate each other with a passion & thats fine with me,but to mock the dead(again on both sides)is just sick.I work in Liverpool on the building sites & have some great banter with yourselves & the Evertonians, but that is what it should be,banter and not a vile mocking of dead people. The vast majority of United fans are great lads but you always get a few lowlife nuggets that spoil it for the rest. Anyway see you next week & remember most of us are sound lads & totally against these vile songs. MIDDLETON RED

I am not from liverpool, only know a handful of scoucers, so apart from going to the games maybe once or twice a year I have no connection to the city. I was though very emotional when the reports come through the news, maybe more than I thought I would be but then the messages and fight that has been unrelenting has been evident somewhere for years be it on this website or elsewhere. It's been part of the identity of the club, and you didn't need to be knowledgable about football to be shocked by this atrocity, something you believ only happens elsewhere.
I do beleieve

Most of the mancunians I meet are decent lads I agree the hate goes to far at times all clubs have the persons including ours thank you for the post friend..... Paisley's genius

Hate is a strong word, isnt it? I mean, im approaching my mid 40s yet i cant think of anyone i hate, and especially not for supporting another team. Maybe, like fine wine, you mellow with age!

The Irish Rover

I am a scouser born and bread in liverpool , support LFC for 45 years , i lived in north manchester for 16 years , i go to 15 to 20 games a season , and like to think im a good fan , i have many good friends here in manchester , and i do agree that they are good lads , like us really , i do enjoy the banter , and i do get some stick living here , i certainly dont hate anyone tbh , lets be honest we all cant wait to play mufc , and its our biggest game of the year , our rivalry is a good healthy thing , and i have never got into the sick chanting about dead people , both great clubs are a credit to the people of the north and both our cities

16 Sep 2012 10:00:37
This is the time when is fans have to really support the team. We are going through a dark time. However, we have a bright young manager, some great young players with loads of potential, and we are going through a transitional period. I don't think it will help if the fans start booing us now. It takes time, there will be many days where we feel frustrated, but we need patience. We will be playing beautiful football once again. Patience is key, you don't ask for the manager to be sacked after 4 games FFS.
Please, in this hard time, let us pull together and make sure the team is not walking alone.
'If You Can't Support Us When We Lose or Draw, Don't Support Us When We Win'
The Glory Days Will Be Back
YNWA

..... I do believ however that one set of human beings hating another because of a football game really shows the whole message about getting things in perspective isnt getting through. I don't hate any utd fan, I don't hate Alex ferguson, I don't hate anyone because of football. I feel down, jealous or elated because of a result, a couple of numbers that may ruin my day or mean people around me know I am mr grumpy for an hour or so. I even claim to be disinterested but I can never kid myself; the following morning I am back on this site with hope in my heart as they say. But to hate someone because of a game... Maybe I don't get the divide, maybe I am missing some event which drove people to feeling 'hate'. Someone educate me please if that the case. But if people still feel that way after this week then you can stick your football, you can stick your joy and elation after every goal. I just feel sick of it all, people died, learn the lesson, stop the bloody chanting on both sides stop hating and enjoy the game then be grateful that you can go home to your families. Sorry Eds, but I just don't understand nd some people.

16 Sep 2012 09:56:13
im a liverpool fan for 30 odd years now..
and i was never frustrated or disspointed with lfc as much as i am now...
we are completly out of our depth..gerrard isnt mr.fantastic anymore...thanx for the great service but ur time is up...suarez..great (solo) player..will never work well under rodgers as he wants to dribble the whole team and then shoot in the sky..needs 15 chances and a defensive assit to score..
fsg want to spend as minimum as possible and dream of winning something with us...our only chance is to rely on youngsters at the moment...i would play suso and sterling and morgan and yesil and pacheco ahead of the gerrards and suarezs from now on..at least we might actually threaten the goal seriously...
rodgers is an open book to others..since getting in the helm he kept bragging openly on how hes gonna play in detail...well...thanx very much..everyone now knows ur tactics and u got no plan-b what so ever...have u ever heard of a manager speaking so loudly and clearly about his tactics in detail before even actually playing!
sad times for liverpool...
a very frustrated liverpool fan

I thought we did ok yesterday

16 Sep 2012 09:54:30
just entered downing in my local donkey derby going riding him myself too think he is really good bet too 50 to 1 get on.

shane

I hope downing is consenting to you 'entering' him , shane must be a 'nice boy'............andy.

16 Sep 2012 09:52:52
Why are you lot all moaning? You have an average team the table don't lie it's where you belong!

Allen 15m
Borini 12m

Same thing every year wasting money on average players.... You need a reality check we all dream about where are team should be in the league but your not that team anymore!!

Tree Blue

Allen is an exceptional player and borini needs to find his feet a bit

Realistic red

Allen isnt average

Joe Allen is Pythagoras in boots. Paisley's genius

How many goals or assists

Says the guy who hasn't won a trophy in his lifetime
AnfieldUSA

16 Sep 2012 09:52:06
First match 3 , second match 2 third match 2 fourth match 1 total 8 goal. BR should think about his defence . 4-3-3 is not work start with 3-5-2 or 3-3-3-1.

hhh

He didnt play 433 u clown

He actually played 4-2-3-1 yesterday

16 Sep 2012 09:46:36
Look at the table moaners.. only 8 points from top. 6 behind city. Start comparing after ten games we've played 4 games and at start of season knew we had a hard run in get behind your team or move on....john

2 points from bottom

16 Sep 2012 09:07:39
so we are happy with a draw bet we'll be happy with a loss next Sunday. Anfield Kenya

You know what? I'm confident we will turn the mancs over next Sunday! Singred

Im with you on that Sing mate!!
Bring them on....

Phooey...

16 Sep 2012 09:01:37
HEY LFC FANS..

im glad alan shearer pointed out how allen just passes back to the centre back or to the sides..never forward...which kinda gives time for the other team to set themselves up defensively again..

our midfield IS FLAWED.........we have lazy gerrard which is why rafa never played him deep..he aint gona chase anyone down............and allen just wants to increase his pass completion rate..never really has an effect on a game...side to side..bla bla

we are not winning games............purely cos the players rodgers selects for certain positions...are not better than the opposition.............
e.g........borini aint a winger........gerrard aint no holding midfielder....suarez aint no striker.......

everyone will counter attack us now cos look at the huge gaps we leave at the back.......and we play the same formation as rafa did...but we never were so open so partly you have to blame rodgers........BUT....i guess this guy needs time

but i think he should help himself..........by playing people in the right position.... ourmidfield does not give any protection to the back 4.......that is clear as day

atleast if we sort out our defensive play as a team..maybe we will have a better chance of winning games..

pete

Mate Rodgers knows where HIS players like to play and where they will play best, he's just trying new things and seeing what works best.. he just needs time.

Pete

Yet again we have lost Lucas to injury and have no one to fill in for him, that is the reason our defence is lacking protection.

Also imo Allen needs the other players to get on his page and quickly, it is not him that disrupts the tempo of our play, it's the players around him that seem unable to take advantage of his quick movement and one touch passing.

SideShowBob

So in your logic if Gerrard is so lazy, then that means Allen was doing all the work yesterday? If that's true then wouldn't that explain him keeping it simple? BBC picked a selection of passes from Allen, but he made over 100. A lot of those were forward and after editing anyone can be made to look negative. Also given that we conceded two on the counter against Arsenal, perhaps BR told Allen to not to try dangerous passes.

Borini was played as a striker yesterday and Suarez a wide forward. That have Borini more of an impact and nullified Suarez, who despite what you all say is a striker.

Papa G

So wrong. The midfield needs to be built around JA. He can only pass to those that make an effort to move into space. Sadly, SG doesn't seem to be able to or want to do that any more.
Most times the only option for JA is to pass back.
Once we get better players and JA can play his more natural advanced midfield role, we will see a very special player.

Are you saying that you think Allen is cr*p? That's what it sounds like to me. You are either blind, or don't recognise a class footballer when he's in front of you. Apart from the fact that he is only 22, he is obviously an enormous talent. He reads the game better than anyone out there, and has the speed of pass, controlled first touch, and he can tackle and win the ball back as well as anyone. If you can't see it, I'd advise you take up watching another sport.

Nick

Alan Shearer needs glasses. People like him said the same thing about Lucas and it was demonstratably wrong.

- Something Red -

Ah yes! Shearer the tactical genius I remember his fantastic work at Newcastle & the sublime football arf arf! You could take a selection of xavi's iniesta or pirlo's passing & just show sideways & backwards passing when you see Allen in the flesh you see how good he is some of his forward passing is sublime & as one of the previous posters correctly pointed out the other players have to get on his wavelength and as for belting it forward or down the wings pointlessly that really is an English footballing problem possession is key...... Paisley's genius

How much does Busquets pass forward?

16 Sep 2012 08:25:19
With fsg here Liverpool will be a sinking ship.The manager is useless 2 points from 12. He will be sacked quick if this continues.

Absolute rubbish.
He needs to be given time to sort things out.
It will be at least 2 transfer windows before he can truly call the team his own.
It also might not be until next season that we see a better style of play emerging.
Unfortunately, RH and KK set us back years with the players they brought in.
It will take time to undo that.
BR needs to be given time. Even if we finish in the bottom half of the table this season and don't win any of the cups he has my backing 100%.

RedAllOverButNotSore

This post is useless. No good for anything, the poster is scared to leave a name & he or she should be sacked imediately.

Sry we can't blame woy or kk coz Rodjers knew challanges to manage liverpool and excepted and he needs to be judged on results or else will be in championship. NO ONE IS BIGGER THEN LIVERPOOL INCLUDING RODJERS so far results are dire and unexceptable for club like liverpool

16 Sep 2012 07:46:45
Come back Kenny, all is forgiven

Kenny no thanks. money weaster .

And bring in carlton cole and heskey for 20 million each..all is forgiven..

No thanks - all is not forgiven.
He is part of the reason we are currently in this mess.

£130m up in smoke ........

16 Sep 2012 06:57:39
eds great site
we really need a finisher its there for all to see. im wondering if any of you eds could please give a list of potential future strikers we would be interested in with what looks to be a shoe string budget age, etc. etc. possibly-maybe a few from left field? {Ed002's Note - We can't do that, sorry.}

16 Sep 2012 04:24:33
January Transfer Window

CF - Llorente £10m - £12m
AM - Martin Harnik - £10.7m
Winger/lb - Bastos - £6.7m
= £29.4m

Downing - £10m
adam, spearing, carroll, ecclestone - £7m
= £17m

29.4-17 = £12.4m net spending {Ed002's Note - You can't sell players more than once.}

Someone needs to do a bit of research.
Adam has already been sold.
Carroll is on loan with West Ham and they have an option to buy (for £17m) I believe.

I think he measn the adam money cos we havnt spent it

Who says we haven't spent the money from Adam? Do you not think that the money goes into the clubs accounts and becomes part of the whole picture?
It's not just as straight froward as getting £4m for Adam therefore we have an extra £4m into the transfer budget pot to spend on players.

16 Sep 2012 03:12:41
Until lfc fans lower their standards and stop dreaming of top 4.they won't appreciate rodgers.this was the first game we really showed signs of the tiki taka..it all happens in stages after than we focus more on penetration..we struggle to break defensive teams down.I was happy with a draw they are really a tough nut to track.why are fans complaining about borini.he scored 9goals in serie a what were we expecting..sterling just keeps improving..another low was skrtel he has made 3errors that led to goals in 3games..johnson defended well and reina still shaky we were lucky he wasn't tested..manu will be much harder they have a lot of quality upfront but they are a mess at the back..hoping for a good result though....YNWA

16 sep 2012 02:30:49
rodjers is one of the best managers. he has already started breaking records in his just four games just imagine how many records he is going to break in his first season

we blindly trust in

brendan rodjers(just go and show these moaners and whiners what your made of by breaking more records. we all liverpool fc fans are with you)

You're unable to spell the man's name. Your post will be ignored due to your lack of football knowledge.

16 Sep 2012 01:57:36
some of you fans on here are pathetic and quite frankly should go and support some other team. it's so frustrating to come on here, wanting to look at some intelligent posts about the game and instead coming on here and seeing the moaners drivel.

i really question both the age and iq of some of the people on here. if you can't stand back and see what's happening at liverpool you must have little idea about football in general.

Liverpool is in a rebuilding phase. An exciting phase. We have one of the youngest squads in the premier league and are building towards a new, exciting and attractive system. Quite frankly, I find it enjoyable watching our squad week in week out, getting better all the time.

No we wont compete for titles this year, probably not next year but what will happen, over time, we will dominate big teams and once again return to the top. we have an intelligent and intuitive manager, a young squad with massive potential and we are creating a brand of football that will not only be exciting to watch but will yield results.

We are in the earliest phase of this process and I can't understand how people don't get that. We support our team through thick and thin and if you can't do that then go somewhere else please. Our mantra is "You'll Never Walk Alone" and some of you would be best to have a think about that.

jm

Great post mate,

Phooey...

Agree with all the footballing points in your post, but if a fan wants to criticise what s/he sees then they have the right to do so. I'm enjoying the new style of play as much as anyone but I shake my head in grief when I see our defensive line play ill-advised passes in our own defensive third rather than a safe clearance. I get why they are doing it but it annoys me. Old school fans are allowed to show similar dis-taste when watching a brand of football that is alien to what they were weaned on, making out that they should not be able to be a fan when they do so is wrong. YNWA applies for them too, only history will prove one side right or wrong.

16 Sep 2012 00:48:21
I think the first 4 games have shown me just how much work needs to be done at LFC. Every time we change managers, that workload increases, so lets put the Rodgers abuse posts to bed and forget about Rafa Benitez.
We're not even close to a team capable of fulfilling Rodger's vision. Our pass, movement and retention of possession is pretty good, but that is as good as it gets thus far.
We haven't got the ability to win back possession rapidly yet, that leaves us out of position and exposed. We need to close down quicker and restrict our opponents.
Our defensive shape is all wrong, teams find too much space, much work to be done there.
Finally we need more quality up front. When a 17 year old with a handful of professional games is your most dangerous player it's worrying. Why on earth did we wait until deadline day to try and sign a goalscorer? And Sturridge and
Dempsey are not the answer.

16 Sep 2012 00:44:29
I thought we were unlucky again not to win but what's new!
I really do think Borini is a nightmare he is not Liverpool standard, let us hope he improves or else till January we are going to struggle.
It looked sad when our bench didn't have a striker to come on, it looked like a lower league bench( not the players who were on it) but our lack of strike force.
Thank you
Hibsylfc

You have to remember Borini's age, he will come through, give him time he will only get better,he already shows glimpses of of a good forward!

16 Sep 2012 03:53:59
There are some muppets on here! Yes we didn't take our chances today but Played some great football. People call out for the club to give youngsters a chance and when it happens they moan if it all doesn't fall into place right away. Brendon's doing a great job...Playing form players I.e sterlings been great so keeps his place despite being an easy scapegoat cos he's a young lad. Sahin under performed and so Shelvey got his chance and Played well today. A team will Rotate naturally through form and injuries given a good manager with balls! Give the man a chance and support your team for christs sake. Believe me it won't be long before all the Parts become well oiled on this machine that Brendon is building.
Greaty
YNWA God bless the 96

16 Sep 2012 03:43:44
What can be said, 2 points from 12. Our place in the table table is a true reflection of the 'potency' of the team.
Jan transfer window is a very long way away.
Thanks a lot FSG, you have really outdone yourselves, and reduced the team to absolutely nothing.
There will be further exits in Jan.

The only exit (I'm hoping) is you... Bye.

16 Sep 2012 01:17:02
just thought id share my views, read most of the comments and like guys we all wish it was better than it currently is bot its not all that bad, i havent seen many people talk of wee raheem and the way he is going to absolutely terrorise teams come january never mind next season, allen is immense, its already miles better than last season with regard to positioning, positive inventive football, hardwork, and most look like they actually want to play again, ONE step at a time guys we'l get there.

We are only moving one way and all should take the blame! It is a disgrace, time to say bye to BR before he gets us relegated!

Mate are you bloody joking you person "bye to BR" hes had four games that's nowhere near long enough for him to complete the build of the squad, and we aren't going to get relegated that's just ridiculous nonsense!

NO team is to good to be relegated

16 Sep 2012 03:34:10
I find it weird that some fans are criticizing gerrard after yesterdays game . i think he played very well. Dont get me wrong allen does his job superbly and keeps the ball well but gerrard easily produces more penetrative passes . if allen is your playmaker then he has to produce more such passes . also i would love allen to move more forward up the pitch hence eagerly await for lucas's return.
All in all i think we really saw tiki taka being played yesterday give the team some more weeks wins would come.

Sanjit.

SG was pretty bad yesterday.
Gave the ball away loads.
Hardly tracked back to cover defensive duties.
Didn't break forward apart from one time when he shot and hit the outside of the post.
Passes going astray in dangerous positions when we had committed many players forward.
It just seems he is not the force he once was.
He can't play more than 1 game a week any more.
He could also do with being dropped to see if that brings some desire back into his pay.
Yes he is a legend, but should not be immune to being dropped. Can't afford to have passengers these days.

16 Sep 2012 00:50:56
For those wondering why we would try and sign
a Drogba or a Llorente, check out our first 4 games.
No composure up front....

16 Sep 2012 00:41:18
For anyone who wants to know The HIllsborough document drama is now on the tv . Itv3 been on before but is well worth watching.

16 Sep 2012 00:24:43
We're going to have to break down teams because we haven't got a plan b. We can't lump it up the pitch because we haven't got the kind of player to do that. We need to keep being patient and keep working on openings. Shelvey

why we let Kuyt and Bellami ?

r-r

Do what we did. get players in the box and get sterling smash in medium height crosses for medium height players. one of them is bound to pay off.

16 Sep 2012 00:16:53
It's going to be a long season but it is year one so I expect this kind of result. I just don't feel optimistic with our lack of options on the bench or in reserve. You have to stick to the plan though.
Personally I saw little progress tonight, probably due to the International break but there is another in a months time, which means that there is more interruption to the work on the training ground.
I hope things turn around but I doubt they will come next week against Man U.
It doesn't matter I will watch every time.
Fingers crossed
McB

15 Sep 2012 23:56:36
we did ok today point better than nothing but sunderland were there for the taking i feel.Borini was unlucky with his chances and did nothing wrong.I think rogers is right to start with shelvey he gets into decent areas and can see a pass he will only get better.Only thing about today was when borini got subbed we should have been able to bring on carroll and change the style of the game for last half hour who knows...
JJ blackpool (firstwinwillbemanutd)

15 Sep 2012 23:54:47
We're no longer in the relegation zone. Good work Brendon

Thats what it has come to happy were not in the relegation zone

Except Reading have two games in hand on us ;)

15 Sep 2012 23:46:28
Honestly some of you on here call yourself supporters. The moaning and bitchin that has gone on today on here would put woman who's on a perma wragg to shame. The thing is all you keyboard warriors who tend to hammer people on here weekin week out sit their watching their internet stream then come on here and really do think you know it all. Most of you bedwetting crybaby's have never or rarely been to any football match never mind to watch Liverpool. Not to mention the one's who moan the longest and loudest own football ability consists of being picked last in pe at primary school, so the bitterness you''ve most defienetly picked up aimed at footballers who are better then yous has grown and grown until to you've finally mastered Fifa. Then most of you little schoolgirls find a platform for your new found soccer skills and so called knowledge on websites like this. A lot of you think that boxing a transfer is as easy it is on FIFA when a lot more things can go wrong then you can imagine. You really can tell a mile off the real fans who know something about the game and those said keyboard warriors who have unfortunately flooded great sites like this,that incidentally used to be for real hardcore football fans. The real tragedy that's born of this nonsense is that fans of other teams think that you douches are what real Liverpool supporters are like when that couldn't be further from the truth. I hope the Eds post this, it might give some folks a wake-up call.
JohnnyBoy

One of the most ridiculous posts I've read in a while, you're completely delusional!

Since when has it been a prerequisite to have watched liverpool play to support them? I've seen them once in my life, but have supported for 15+ years. Does that make me a bad fan? I'm also crap at football myself, am I a fan at all?!

The thing that annoys me more than people moaning about how bad we are at the moment, are the people that moan about the moaners! Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and this is exactly what forums etc are for, airing views/ ranting etc.

The fact of the matter is we're not playing well at the moment. Yes, most (all?!) people are behind the team, but when we fail produce results after dominating performances, it is hard to see the silver lining.

Simply put, the players need to play better than they have been, and if that's not possible, get rid of them and get players in who can. Build for the future yes, but there's no point building a team for the future if by the time they're playing to a high standard, we're rotting min mid-table.

You're no better than the keyboard warriors you're attacking, JohnnyBoy.

Good post Johnny

Far too many negative posts on here I think they forget what the word support means.

Red1

15 Sep 2012 23:14:19
Mighty reds mate do you remember I told you yea its only 3 games but in 3 games rodgers has all ready started breaking records slowly, slowly will be 5 or 8 or 12 games and still he will continue to break records. Nothing has improved since he has become our manager but now it will get only worst.

Dalghish was a better manager

Muppet!
Greaty