Liverpool Banter Archive September 16 2011
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16 Sep 2011 23:42:08
Sorry ed001. Sacrilege indeed.
The Real KB
16 Sep 2011 22:56:46
Ed009. I've always said it from day one mate. Your a gent. Nice one for what you did their sorting that out. Jonson6
16 Sep 2011 22:47:20
team for spurs:
---------------reina---------------
-kelly-carragher-agger-enrique-
----------lucas--adam------------
-henderson-suarez-downing-
--------------carroll------------
bench:doni/coates/skrtel/spearing/gerrard/kuyt/bellamy
DORSET RED
I agree with that one mate.
Stu.
Coats for carra,carra should be benched sooner rather than later maybe introduce coats in the brighton game like gerrard.
aintree dave
Noo henderson will have a tough game
bellamy for henderson and skrtel for kelly, can't start a guy that is just coming back from another hamstring injury. when everyone if fit (kelly, johnson) then i'd put coates for carra but otherwise not, i would bring him on after 70m though because i don't trust carra for a full 90m he will do something very wrong. a own goal that he loves scoring against spurs.
11 v brighton
reina
kelly(flanno), coates, sktrel, robinson
maxi, gerrard, shelvy(spearing), aurelio
suarez, bellamy
Kuyt & Bellamy vs Brighton. Suarez & Carroll vs Spuds.
16 Sep 2011 22:34:05
Strikers are like fish,
Generally they come in different Kettles, altogether.
You've got your pacey striker: Rush, Owen, Torres, Lineker etc.
They like to get behind defenses running into space, spend a lot
of time playing the line between on and offside. They're the last piece of a sweeping move.
Then you've got your strong striker: Likes to get in there amongst the defenders, a target man, hold-it-up-lay-it-off to breaking midfielders. Good shot on goal from outside box and can turn half chance into goal. This is Any Carroll. Rooney's style is more like this too by the way.
Then you've got your skillful striker: He likes to run a defenders, likes to run past defenders, he can score goals and can create goals - Suarez, Maradonna, Peter Beardsley.
For those slagging Big Andy. He should have Carlsburg written on his shirt because he's probably the best strong striker in the world. He's the best at what he does. I hope he plays on sunday because I do fancy him to score against spurs. But he's not going to sprint through on goal like Torres (of course Torres would miss). He's not going to dribble past 4 defenders like suarez.
I guess we got Bellamy to play a kind of pacey striker role and we got Kuyt too how can also poach goals. With this squad we can pick different styles to suit us when we need.
RedAce.
Love the post.
Huyton red
I'm not taking anything away from Carroll, but I would personally say Ibrahimovic is the best strong ST out there at the moment.
Thanks, James.
Gomez for me
Agree, Gomez is a goal scoring machine.
Fensh
Ibrahimovic is absolutely rubbish - every pound that has ever been spent on him makes Chelseas fee for Torres look like a brand new BWW available in Poundland - an absolute bargain.
Now Torres isn't the player he was but ZI couldn't hit a tiled floow with a bladder full of p***
Boile Onions
Dear All Site Users - please accept my apology for the terrible spelling in my previous post. Due to an extensive amount of Belgian Beating Juice yesterday evening I did not adhere to the normal standards of spelling.
I will drop my head in shame.
All previous posts aside - Harry Redknapp disgusts me in everything he does. An utterly repugnant man. His son was also the the only ever present in our wilderness years, and for two consecutive years beat Ray Wilkins record for the most sideways and backwards passes in a season.
And he advertises M&S suits - you certainly can't buy the ones he wears on Sky.
Boiled Onions
16 Sep 2011 22:33:41
Liverpool better start winning trophies soon because Suarez will likely consider moving to Barcelona or Real Madrid within 2 years. Success will be the only thing to keep him at Liverpool.
Sounds like you support Suarez more than you support Liverpool.
Are you his agent?
Amigo that what happens here people support or dislike players more than the team
Then let him go. Not sure why all fans have this obsession about our foreign players leaving. They do not have some dying allegiance to our club, for them it is a job and for some unfortunately a stepping stone until we are champions again.
Yes, if they do well they will prob go to Madrid or Barca for the movie style lifestyle and sunny skies, but so what. We will then buy the next 'Suarez' or 'Torres' to replace them or even better have OUR next 'Fowler' coming through!
So don't worry about it until it happens. Actually don't worry about it at all.
Fensh
16 Sep 2011 22:03:39
Chris please accept my appolgie's. Jonson6
Yeah no problem sorry for being a bit touchy myself
Chris in Tamworth
Ahhh, bless.
Those (sea) Bass really do bring the worst out of people.
That's why I'm a Salmon man myself!
dmedly
Cmon guys....bomb the bass
cozinoz
I like a trout myself. Reminds me of my wife!
The Irish Rover
16 Sep 2011 21:44:23
Sorry Ed009 and Chris. Jonson6 {Ed009's Note - Its absolutely fine mate. I said that statement because I didn't want it to go any further, that is all. I am sure Chris will be equally accepting of your apologies.}
No worries jonson6
Chris in Tamworth
16 Sep 2011 21:32:15
Does any one know if stevie g is in contention to play a part in sundays game?
Skurks {Ed009's Note - I believe he will return in the Brighton game.}
16 Sep 2011 20:14:00
Anybody else notice Wayne rooney making an appearance in tonight's eastenders?
I think he was in the Goonies too... wearing a superman t-shirt...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
16 Sep 2011 21:09:33
Ed009,
Yes, let's stop this sea bass crack.
Anyone knows the king of the sea is the fish finger.
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - Their delicious crispy exterior and soft, mouthwatering interior aside, you have to look at it from an evolutionary standpoint: the fish with fingers would clearly win any battle for food in the deep, and that is why BirdsEye rules the high seas.}
Ed009 is Captain Birdseye !
U salty sea dog ed.
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - What Fast Food character would you be, if you were as lucky as me, KB?}
Lol. Can I be a cadburys flake ? Remember those ads on tele ? Serious. Lol.
Or, if not, then milk tray man.
Can I suggest jonson6 as that pepperami stick man,"its a bit of an animal" !
Lol.
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - That is a top shout for Jonson6.}
Can I be a walnut whip?
Chris in Tamworth
I came across the old 80's milk ad with the two Liverpool kids after a kick around...
"If you don't drink your milk, you'll only be good enough to play for accrington stanley"
"accrington stanley? Who are they?" "exactly".
Pure genius, great memories!
Cuchulainn's Hounds
In birkenhead having fish fingers is something very different, ;)
MIKEY
I'm a Yorkie, and a seven chunker too!
dmedly
16 Sep 2011 20:41:20
With the question of who's to miss out when Gerrard comes back soon to be answered heres my thoughts.
I would call Adam as more of a Alonso-eske player, spraying balls across the park but still attacking when he gets chance and with Lucas anchoring the midfeild he still gets his freedom.
Henderson is the most likliest to lose out but he has been playing on the wing so would that result with Gerrad on the wing? I do not think so the most likliest thing would be a change in formation with Kuyt/carroll missing out, maybe similar to a benitez 4-5-1
Lucas
Henderson-Gerrard-Adam-Downing
Suarez
but Carroll will fight for his place and if he was to play well when given chance it would be wrong not to play him but if everyone else is playing well what can yo do? Besides hes young theres no rush for him (or Henderson) to play every match but it would be good for their confidence and England chances.
-McMenemy
Hmm, I'm not too sure. I think Gerrard should replace Henderson for the time being and play on the wing. Some of his most effective play under Rafa was on the wing.
maka
Nope, i think Lucas will make way!
Lucas can't make way, he allows the team to attack, take him out the team and you'll end up with Adam or Gerrard staying back in defense and thats not what we want
-McMenemy
Not a chance of Lucas giving way mate, neither Gerrard or Adam can track back or hold a defensive position effectively. Lucas keeps us ticking over and gives the back four great protection.
Gerrard may slot in next to Lucas occassionally but more likely he'll come in Henderson and play in a fluid 4-2-3-1. Downing, Suarez and Gerrard roaming behind Carroll. With Bellamy, Maxi, Kuyt and Henderson all able to come in when needed we have a much better squad.
Still think were lacking another central midfielders with power, which we'll address next summer hopefully, then a creative midfielder/winger and we're looking good.
Papa G
I agree with Maka - Gerrard's most productive season was under Rafa when he played right midfield but with the license to come inside which is very similar to the role Henderson currently holds. I don't Gerrard is defensively aware enough to play a holding role.
JRG
Hhenderson to play Lucas role, Gerrard on the right, its so obivious!
I think Henderson will make way for Stevies return but the squad will be rotated to ease his way back to form, he can't come off the back of a 6 month injury and play at full throttle week in week out surely.. I also believe that if his groin goes again then that will sadly be the end of his career.
I'm just looking foreword to having him back, commanding the midfield and leading us back were we belong!
Myk
Lucas and Adam will not make way for Gerrard its a case of he replaces Hendo or the formation changes most likely it would be Hendo to make way which would result in
Lucas
Gerrard-Adam-downing
Carroll-Suarez
But Gerrard will not start vs Spurs he may be on the bench but I don't see Gerrard starting with Kenny not wanting too rush players from injury
-McMenemy
The right wing for Gerrard will be to much for him now with his injuries, i think he'l be put beside Adam as a holding midfielder, Henderson was bought for the right wing, and the right side he'll keep.
The great thing now is the options we have. This is our team without Suarez, Gerrard, Agger and Carragher:
Reina
Johnson Coates Skrtel Enrique
Lucas Adam
Kuyt Henderson Downing
Carroll
16 Sep 2011 20:38:00
You went on long enough about it being one of your pet hates with no jovial intent in any of your reply's sounding like you were getting steamed. If you call that having the craic, didn't know Tamworth was in Ireland but their you go. I just read it and your on about how aware you were about river bass. You kept the thread going on strong considering having a craic is ment to be funny. Even when it looked done and dusted you piped up again about it, dont think Ed002 thought it was funny to be honest. Yawn. Jonson9 {Ed009's Note - I have to say I think they were just messing around Jonson - you know how boring the site can get without any of the regulars on. I cannot be bothered to edit an argument between two posters I enjoy so lets all get along!}
Really sorry jonson, I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to use the word craic just because I'm not Irish. As for me going on about it it's because I have an opinion on it and I wanted to voice that opinion, oh yeah sorry I forgot, yours is the only opinion that matters isn't it you sanctimonious person!
Chris in Tamworth
16 Sep 2011 20:17:55
Thanks for the reply Ed001. Ye didn't think of that about were people post things. Posting off a mobile i dont have a choice but i've never got any rumours to post anyway. Ye, thought had a short fuse but less said about that the better. Last thing, just read an interesting couple of stats. 1, Carra has scored as many goals for Spurs as for Liverpool,3 for each team. 2, We've had more corners in the Prem this season then anyone else,35 i think. Fancy us to bag from one on Sunday, law of averages tell me so ha. 3, Spurs have had the most shots in the Prem this season against them. Tells me that their pretty lazy or dont close players down to well and play deep. I'd play Carroll because to have that Stat, they must sitting pretty deep and think he'd be perfect to back into defenders lay the ball off, with the right service and with could be a real threat to a team who defends like that. Plus he's got a cannon of a strike himself and i fancy him to bag if he player which i belive he will on Sunday. Jonson6 {Ed009's Note - I would definitely start Carroll and Suarez for this one Jonson.}
16 Sep 2011 19:54:57
Eds
Re - U*d stock exchange deal to help debt
They're hoping to raise 665 m, which begs the question - how much is their debt ?
And, in the longer term, how wise is it to gamble 25% of the club in this manner ? Football has a very poor record on the stock exchange. Fans / investors do not tend to take the long term view. As is amply demonstrated on here !
It seems to me, following the rumours of recent Quatari cash injection, that the Glazers are as slippy as a bag of eels.
I remember a tv prog last year about their US debts, negative equity mortages on real estate etc.
This is not an anti U*d rant, but I do feel they're the football equivalent of an investment bank. It's like a house of cards, should the team fail on the pitch, it could cause big problems.
Or do the Glazers feel safe to gamble in this way, in the knowledge the Quataris will step in and save the day?
The Real KB
Ummm.......what's this got to do with Liverpool FC?
cozinoz
Footy in general.
Plus the thought of it all going t**s up, gives me a slight warm feeling inside.
The Real KB
16 Sep 2011 19:31:30
Ed002, you say you'd do away with banter. Then why not just Edit the rumours or just ignore the silly questions,like the guy who was on drugs yesterday with his post not going up while you was out eating. Then getting pulled on Sea Bass and the like. I dont know why people take it so personally when they ask a question,get the answer they dislike then go off on one. I've had posts that haven't gone up and its, maybe i should word better or take a certain Word out or two and didn't take your reply to my post yesterday personal. More just banter thats what the sites about. And before gives their default answer shouting other posters down because i'll say things others want to say but sign a different name or none at all. It just seems to piss you off sometimes Ed002, we've never seen eye to eye it seem but still respect your opinions and honesty. Great job Ed002 and feck those nameless warriors or divvie one yesterday. Jonson6 {Ed001's Note - he can't decide to just edit banter or just rumours, because people never post their stuff in the right place. It would help if the banter side didn't get misused by abusive idiots, those who can't distinguish between banter and being an alpha......}
It was me that brought up the "sea bass" thing yesterday jonson6 and it was purely ad a bit of banter to lighten up a pretty aggressive post from a tube. Although it is one of my pet hates I wasn't pulling Ed002 up on it just having the craic
Chris in Tamworth
{Ed002's Note - No problem on the sea bass issue at all - it took everyone's mind off the damp stain that is Alphared.}
16 Sep 2011 17:24:41
Hi ed002 and wildwelshman (and anybody who bothers to read this).
I'd juz like to add a bit of info i've juz learnt about the manc stock listing in Singapore.
Apparently wildwelshman is kinda right. Our singapore stock exchange does allow trading of shares that don't come with voting rights, which is not so in many other markets.
The manc listing will consist of both voting and non-voting shares(more non-voting I suspect).
That's juz great. The lousy Glazed-overs weren't satisfied with saddling manc with such huge debts. Now they wana transfer that debt to Asia AND not give shareholders voting rights? What a bunch of useless, no-good, money-grabbing yanks who only wana take advantage of the club and fans to get money! I almost feel sorry for the manc fans. Almost... But not quite.
Anyway I did a straw poll among some united frens I have and NONE of them have any intention of going for the shares. Hope all the dumb manc fans wise up to this debt-transferring ploy.
May this evil scheme fail, thus saving me from the hassle of emigrating.
Finally, I juz wana say that afta seeing crappy american owners like the Glazed-overs n The Two Who Shall Not Be Named, I am more than happy with our american owners. Thank God for them.:-)
Singapore Red
YNWA.
Good post mate, i feel exactly the same as u. I hope this doesnt set a trend. The shares will probably fall into the hands of the Chinese Govt or Arabs.
The Real KB
The Manc shares are well worth buying. Expect dividends to the same value saved on interest
Dividends? What dividends? Look at their mountain of debt
Keith YNWA
16 Sep 2011 17:18:08
Chaps hope you can shed some light. I was sitting in a resturant in Windsor when a small man burst in he was wearing a liverpool top swaering alot and looking for some chap by the name of Edward. Is this normal for your fans?
On the back of his heavily stained top he had ALPHA 1 emblazzoned. Do you know this man?
I believe you are looking for a man named "ALPHARED" he's hiding somewhere on this site...
16 Sep 2011 18:01:33
Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez runs down the wing for me!
If Maxi is linking up well and scoring in training for me he must start against Spurs. We miss his accurate passing and clincal finishing. I would drop Adam for him and play 4-3-3 with Lucas Hendo and Maxi, Downing, Suarez and Bellamy or Kuyt.
JK
I think he is brilliant. He is got pace and he has excellent ball control. His finishing was superp when uoy watch his goals against Fulham. I thing he should be given a chance. Afterall he is a proper winger
I think it is time to realise that from purely a footballing perspective, loyalties aside, Torres is not and will never be, due to injuries, the player he once was. We should just be thankful that one of the most talented centre forwards in world football had his best days playing in front of the best fans and best stadium in the world. Some of his work at times left me speechless. It is time to move on.
Ash
For me Rafa didnt do well to drop Reiara. and Kenny done same after droping Maxi.
Maxi scored a few goals but most were tap ins. What about the 80 perecnt of games for Liverpool when he's done sweet FA ? Decent professional but no world beater.
If we could have a player scoring a hat trick of tap-ins every week I'd go for him
16 Sep 2011 17:13:35
people need to realise that football players do actually read about themselves,and they have emotions like everyone else so bearing that in mind when they see negative comments from there so called fans it doesn't make them play better does it,it's counter productive and not every one will have the thick hide's of lucas and kuyt especially younger players like carroll and henderson who look like there feeling the unnecessary early way to early expectations and must feel gutted they've no support in fact worse they weren't even given half a chance which may put future players off from coming hear why take the chance some of them might think there only human after all,also can people stop posting asking is suarez not happy these posts snowball and cause doubt no good can come from these unsettling comments.
thats all folks.
oh and ps
carroll will out score torres and cost less,they have more to be aggrieved about so let's put things into perspective cheers.
aintree dave
16 Sep 2011 16:34:27
Can someone explain how you can buy a mobile phone,from a high street phone company,and then find over 450 text messages saved to phone containing Liverpool fc players and staff phone details,the likes off kenny's, Ian Ayre,Joe cole x2, Aquilani and so on.Last night a chap in the bar had one.
Redeyedhector
It could've been previously owned by a news of the world journo
The Real KB
You can't and if you can you sell the phone to the press not take it the pub
Was he a News International employee?
dd
16 Sep 2011 14:31:27
What sort a mental case is that alphared ed ?
I think the problem is evident in his name `Alpha` as in top or dominant or significant in some way - just ignore his post`s if the `rile` you ( a lesson I have learned with other posters)
Matty P {Ed002's Note - Memories of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" no doubt. I am sure he won't be posting too much from now on. I wonder the soft boy would give my wife and I permission to slip out to Nettlebed and eat now?}
`ed you have lost me there I`m afraid, not being familiar with Aldous Huxley`s work I fear. My ignorance, always had a soft spot for Henry miller though..
Matty P
16 Sep 2011 13:54:10
I met this really kinky girl the other day
"Humiliate me," she said.
So I bought her a Everton shirt.
KoPeNdFaN
16 Sep 2011 13:48:34
Hello one and all!
Just a quick comment regarding Jordan Henderson.
As i've stated from the start, I rate him rather highly, and so far I'm delighted that we've signed him as I think he's top class and has fantastic potential. So far in his Liverpool career, he has done nothing wrong at all, so get off his back you so called 'fans'.
Anyway, I have to get this out of my system.:
I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL STEVIE G RETURNS!!:D
Hooch.
16 Sep 2011 13:26:18
Now back to some football banter: I was just reading Hanson's build up to Sunday's game between Manchester United and Chelski and I think he's right. Chelski could turn over Manchester United if they attack and put them under some severe pressure. Manchester United have had an easy ride so far and I'm sure once united get pushed onto the back foot they going to start to crumble. I have to say, from a neutral's point of view, I am quite looking forward to that game..... (come on chelsea f***in' scalp em!).
I think we've got the spurs game in the bag. We are playing really well and we have a great squad and we're much better
than spurs. Just having Gerrard back on the bench again is going to be a massive lift and Dalglish will want to show some reaction after the result last week at Stoke. Really looking forward to sunday - come on lads!
RedAce
Yes come on Chelski. I really hope they beat the mancs and Torres doesnt score either, would be perfect result
Man utd are a fantastic attacking team.. but their defense is weak.. Arsenal managed to put 2 past them, if u cut off the attack then they the soft underbelly is there for the taking..
ItsNotRocketScience
A draw between spam and chavs is the best outcome for us
SingRed
I watched some of the Man Utd game against benfica and they didnt look all that good against a half decent team i dont think they look as strong as every one is saying and think any team that get phsyical like chelsea will ruffle there feathers and put them under pressure i hope its a draw
jez
Uh oh! And David Luiz is going to be in the middle of chelsea's defense again. Y'all remember what happened with him last season? I hope he set things staight this time around. Cracking player, Luiz.
BooDaBooze
A draw with a couple of players sent off from each side and Torres missing a couple of sitters would do me fine
cozinoz
16 Sep 2011 13:23:17
Fair enough KK is building a team but lets face it he could build a better team with if he had spent the 55m we spent on Carrol and Henderson more wisely.
Ed is this the same person posting this tosh or what,its getting very boring at this stage.
king henry {Ed002's Note - No it is not. I agree it is getting boring.}
We may have had a better team but only for a season or two, by investing in young talent he is ensuring we have a better team for many years!
16 Sep 2011 13:02:48
What have Hazard, Aguero & Neymar have in common?
They all have 6 letters in their name?
JRG
Hazard has 7 letters
Count again..........
JRG
They never will come to liverpool
Ed's hate seeing them mentioned on the LFC pages.
They all studied at Eton
16 Sep 2011 12:50:27
To all these 'fans' slating Carroll and Henderson or any other player who they feel shouldn't be in the team, just try and look at the bigger picture. KK is building a TEAM, it will not be quick and it won't be easy but he is assembling a talented squad who ALL want to play for Liverpool. Not a bunch of mercenaries only here for the money, but players who have left their home-town club as they want to play for us and be a success. Every time we play now I know that if we don't win it won't be through a lack of effort, hunger or pride from the players. Just look at the Stoke game - we absolutely battered them from the first minute to the last, every player trying their hardest against a big physical Stoke team and a hostile crowd. Remember it took Ferguson 6-years to win his first trophy at Man U and they haven't looked back since - so if people want 'marquee signings' and instant success there are other clubs out there that could do with your support. I am going to continue to support my team as when success does come, and it could be this season, it will be sweeter knowing I have supported the team and management from the start.
Regarding all the talk of Torres, Personally I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole - do people remember how he left us last year on the final day of the transfer window? Just so he could be the latest player to earn his rouble's. And remember the last few months he was playing - walking around looking disinterested, no effort and sulking? Would you really want a player like that back disturbing the atmosphere that Kenny has built?
JRG
Agreed mate, there's bags of potential in Dalglish's signings and I can still see Carroll and Henderson developing into top players for us. It gets my goat up the amount of criticizm they receive when a section of the Liverpool fanbase should be getting behind Dalglish and the players. I'd be spitting fire if torres was re-signed (I highly doubt this is going to happen anyhow). Fair enough he had a cracking first few seasons with us but it was a bitter pill to swallow in the manner in which he left Liverpool in January. It would be a lot different if he left on a good note back then,on a similar par to Rushie's move to Juventus in '87 before returning in '88, but torrres has burnt his bridges now. Besides, he's lost his touch now and we've probably already seen the best of him now due to injuries. Not a chance I'd want him back...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
@JRG
Every player is a mercenary. dont be fooled by i want to play for liverpool. carroll and henderson left their boyhood clubs to better their lot, just like every other player out there. a player that comes to liverpool is not a money grabbing mercenary but a player that goes to another club is a money grabbing mercenary. we are liverpool, lets stop being bitter like other clubs.
FYI, you dont have to try your hardest to beat teams like stoke city, all you need is players with guile and football intelligence which we are lacking greatly now except for suarez, gerrard, aurelio and maxi. football is not about huff and puff but intelligence. there is not defensively spectacular about stoke, they were there for our taking. we cant afford to be loosing points to teams like stoke city if we are to win the league( i dont subscribe to 2nd best or top four). making excuses at every turn will not help us move forward. winners dont give excuse,we are liverpool and we are winners.
nigerian fan (tooblack)
Toolblack,
Sorry but I think you are wrong about so many things: Firstly, the only thing I am bitter about is the lack of support some players are receiving on these pages. I have looked at our rivals sites and no other team criticises their players like some of the 'fans' on here. You say that making excuses at every turn will not help us move forward but neither will criticising the players and management every time there is a perceived bad result.
Secondly, to say that you don't need to try your hardest to beat teams 'like Stoke' is a massive insult to Stoke City. They are a very hard team to play against and I don't think many teams will leave the Britannia stadium with three points this season. You say football is not about 'huff and puff' but about 'guile and football intelligence' but you will NEVER win anything in football without doing the basics first - moving into space to receive a pass and getting back when possession is lost, or as some might call it the 'huff and puff'. Without hard work and doing the basics you will never have possession of the ball to show guile or intelligence. I Would also add Downing and Adam to your list of players with guile.
Lastly you say that Stoke are not defensively spectacular - of the 9-games they have played so far this season they have won 5 by 1-0 so I would say 5-clean sheets out of 9-games is pretty good. You must agree we were very unfortunate to lose against a good Stoke team? 1 soft penalty conceded, 2 penalty claims turned down, Suarez missing an open goal - any other day and we would have won comfortably. This is not an excuse but a fact.
JRG
JRG
I think you'd find that if this banter page was left to Liverpool fans to comment on, there would be a lot less critics. Just run your eye over how many negative posts are written by anonymous 'fans' who are clearly from rival teams' pages to stir the pot. Sure, LFC fans are guilty of the same crime but not to the extent that we have on here.
cozinoz
Cozinoz
I know you are right mate - I come on here far more often than I should especially when at work ; ) and I know the unsigned posts are probably from rival teams but I still let it wind me up - I know it is a weakness of mine but I do also think some of those comments are from nameless Liverpool fans. In the main the comments and banter on here is superb.
It's no wonder rival fans come on our page to wind us up though - if you ever visit their pages you can see they only get a few posts every day so they come on here as it is so popular.
JRG
16 Sep 2011 12:44:50
I'm feeling pretty miffed.
Man Utd (suck) apparently juz got approval to list their shares on our local Singapore stock exchange, looking to raise 1billion US.
1. Why the heck do it all the way here in Singapore? The last thing we need is for a debt-ridden club to drag our stock exchange down.
2. Apparently their lousy american owners (unlike our terrific american owners) hope to service at least part of their immense debt with the money raised. IF U DON'T HAVE THE MONEY DON'T BUY THE STUPID CLUB! Don't come all the way to Singapore to beg for money!
3. The last thing I wana know is that some of my countrymen may help to pay off manc's debt. I may hafta emigrate in disgust.
Bummer. I suspect the Glazed-overs didn't list in the UK for fear that real united fans may buy up the shares and vote them out. Cowards.
I hope the response to the shares will be less than lukewarm.
Can't believe this is happening.
Singapore Red.
Th ereason they are placing it on the singapore market is cause that market allows people to buy shares but they do not have a say in the buissness just another way to get around being kicked out lol
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - Rubbish. The reason for putting it on the Singapore Market is that it remains buoyant in pretty turbulent times and a better return will be received. Only a proportion of the club will be sold initially.}
Ed002 hows it rubbish the sinapore market is different to other markets around the world. Some market geezer was reporting about it on radio5 this morning say that people that buy the shares form the singapore market wont have any say in the clubs running etc etc
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - That is no different than it is in any other market. If you buy 10 shares in Barclays what say do you have in the running of the bank? None is the answer. It has been floated there for the simple reason that the far eastern markets are buoyant and a better price will be obtained for the proportion of the club being sold. The buyers of the shares will be funds and institutions in the main. The previous poster's assertion that they were no floated in the UK because the fans could buy up the shares and vote out the United owners is simply a demonstration of how little this matter is understood. The rest of the post is little better.}
But united aint just selling 10 shares they are trying to sell 1billion us dollors worth if say 1 person bought all those shares off the singapore market then they still cant say how to run the club but say if they were bought by 1 person on the uk market then thay would be able to have a say on how the club is run. thats why the yanks want it on that market and also as you say the will get better value there
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - Nonsense. You have no understanding of this floatation at all. The shares are not all going to be bought by one person. It is a ridiculous conversation with no point continuing.}
So what your saying is that the bbc ask experts to come onto their shows to explain to the public why its going on the sinapore market but these experts know nothing at all as all im saying is what was said on radio by a so called expert. And as you say i have no knowledge off how it works then can you please explain to me
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - I don't think you have understood what he has said at all if you think a stock market floatation is going to se £1B worth of shares sold to one person. I don't have the time now but I will try and write a summary in the morning. I did do one a few weeks back for the Manchester United pages so you may find something there.}
Floating any company or part there of means anyone can buy a share or as many as you want. The chances of 1 person buying them all are slim but remains a possibilty. After all that's how the glaziers gained control of the club in the first place.
Don't know of any different share rules in Singapore (not saying they don't exsist) but can't see how anyone could hold a controlling share in a company and not control it. Or why they would want to.
Is it possible (as I suspect it is) that the expert was saying the number of shares there floating means that noone would be able to gain a big enough share to have any real say in how the clubs run? That would be the case regardless of what Market they are floated on.
Think ed is right the reason they choose singapore is simply due to strength of the Market there
Huyton red {Ed007's Note - ;-)
16 Sep 2011 12:34:53
Lets face it Torres has more skill in his little toe than Carroll will ever have. He can turn players, beat players, etc. etc. Carrol is not very good at these things and is very injury prone. Yes Torres ahead of Carroll any day!
We have Suarez. You can keep judas. Tks. SingRed
The Torres of 2007-mid 2009 YES, the Torres of 2010 to date NO. You need to go back and watch MOTD from 2007 to date and compare the former Torres with the shadow of his former self Torres. Absolutley two different players. Wether the factors of change are mental, physical, Rafa, Gerrard, Change of systems I dont know - probably a combination of them all. Nevertheless judge them both on Boxing Day. I have more confidence that Carroll will come good based on various factors.
I really cant believe we are still talking about carroll just put a fecking sock in it .and you would pick a player that called us a selling club, just go do a goat.
Absolute disgrace of a comment about a young, hungry CURRENT LFC player. That is if your a Liverpool fan or a jealous Chelski fan that realises you wasted £50m on a sulking back stabbing self absorbed crock. Carroll any day over Torres because most importantly he wants to give 100% for LFC
Finally a sensible comment about AC - Guys give up with the comparision and the price, AC does not ask for either!! give the boy time, if in a year he ain't done it then moan, but at least give him a chance and get behind him! singing his name at games may be a start!
16 Sep 2011 12:26:17
table at end of season
1-man united
2-man city
3--liverpool
4chelsea
5-arsenal
6-tottenham
if we get hazard or Marin in jan..we can get 3rd
I'd get any thoughts of them two out of your head mate!
Swap us and chelsea round and thats my realistic prediction.
Stu.
16 Sep 2011 12:23:15
if arsenal sign benayoun permanently could this mean we can get hazard. {Ed002's Note - No. Hazard wants to move to Spain.}
Presumably so that he can sit on the bench following two seasons as first choice - once he has been usurped by the 'next' best thing... but ala Man City ed02 that just a point of view...
Suffolk'n Red {Ed002's Note - His other option is Italy, or just possibly London. I was surprised Manchester United have not thrown their hat in to the ring. We will see next summer, but I am pretty certain that it remains unlikely he will be Liverpool bound. And I certainly do not see him moving to Liverpool in January.}
16 Sep 2011 12:19:14
16 sep 2011 08:05:24
liverpool fc banter page, are your guys dumb or what (aimed at those who fail to understand what liverpool fc banter is all about)
i do not want to read about anything else but liverpool fc banter.
celtic does not concern me lfc does...
teejay 96
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teejay 96 do you fail to understand the term banter yourself?
MUSHROOM
16 Sep 2011 12:10:38
14 Sep 2011 18:41:41
sorry to say this, liverpool have hit sh*t creek.
table at end of season
1-man united
2-man city
3-chelsea
4-arsenal
5-tottenham
6-liverpool
and thats being generous, as i myself am an arsenal fan.
scousersarescum! {Ed009's Note - You took a break from complaining about every aspect of your own club to come and slag off someone else's in a wholly nonsensical and illogical way. Give yourself a pat on the back - but don't do it at the Emirates, the sudden noise in that atmosphere might give someone a heart attack.}
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Wow someone who can predict the future. You would have been better served warning Arsene Wingher that you would not win a trophy for a few years ..oh and that you would lose your top 2 stars this summer, so he could have ample time to replace them and not have to resort to loaning our ex players. By, how Arsenal have improved haha.
MUSHROOM
I think he is still thinking of last season standings. Come on scousersarescum new season started. You are below Mighty LfC.
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YNWA
16 Sep 2011 12:02:18
Quite agree with last post: bring back Torres and sell Carroll. While we are on sell Henderson as well! Both are only average players at best.
Yeah bring back a traitor who can't hit a barn door and gt rid of a 21 year old whose scored as many as torres has since January! GENIUS? Go support someone else mate cuz you embarras real fans! Whatever happend to patience? Long live the king! ....Y.N.W.A.
Another so called fan that knows jack all.
MUSHROOM
Here's a little known fact that may change the minds of Henderson bashers:
Henderson was responsible for creating 82 goalscoring opportunities for his team-mates in 2010-11 - 39 more than any of his team-mates and the fourth best total in the Premier League.
"Jordan is very mature for his age. He is respectful and his principles and everything else on and off the pitch are exemplary. Not only is he a talented footballer, he's a really good person as well. He loves his football and he is very appreciative of what Sunderland have done for him." Kenny Dalglish, June 2011.
SingRed
Ignoring the original poster might be an option, since he is clearly not a Liverpool fan. Why the editors keep publishing posts as inane as the original one is beyond me. Every day the same idiotic post, or one very similar, probably written by the same poster, keeps reappearing.
Red Owl {Ed002's Note - It is not the same poster each time and many are from regular Liverpool posters and fans.}
Dear editor, your powers of deduction are remarkable if you truly possess the ability to ascertain whether an anonymous detractor happens to be a Liverpool supporter or not. I prostrate myself at the feet of one of the world's greatest clairvoyants or detectives.
Red Owl {Ed001's Note - or perhaps it is purely because they post more than once and sometimes put a name to their posts and sometimes don't.}
How sweet to find the editors defending one another. My faith in human nature and editorial fraternity has been completely restored.
Red Owl
16 Sep 2011 11:39:28
if it is true about Torres wanting to come back,kk should bend over backwards to get him,caroll is a fuse waiting to blow ,even the england manager is thinking the same as 50% of the football world,torres is due liverpool f.c. he made a mistake,with roy in the dugout who wanted to stay under him,so give him a chance ,if he starts like what he did when he first came ,he will be the hero again hope he comes ,Tony FIFE
Were did you hear that mate?
I wouldn't want Torres back if Chelski paid us £50m again. Look how we improved once his big sulky lip had left Anfield.
MUSHROOM
Kenny was in charge a month before Torres decided to leave, why would we want him back with his attitude.
He's finished, out of Spain squad and will be out of Stamford Bridge
16 Sep 2011 11:29:19
To all the Carroll knockers out there I would like to point out one interesting fact, Ian Rush made his LFC debute on the 13th Dec 1980 (allready a full internationalinternational) his first league goals did not come untill 10th Oct 1981! Now trust me as somebody that watched him live quite a lot, he didn't turn out to bad.
Great comparison there mate. Another comparison is Lucas, it took him 3 seasons to actually hit form and become our player of the season. We just have to give Andy time.
RenegadeRed
16 Sep 2011 10:56:16
Can't tell you what a relief it is that Stevie's back and raring to go.
I for one have missed his leadership, drive, energy and magic.
I anticipate a huge season for him.
He's had the time to rest and fully recharge his batteries for the first time in Fowler knows how many years.
I think Suarez and time have somewhat made us forget what a world class, absolutely extraordinary player we have in Gerrard.
You just have to look at his impact against Napoli to appreciate the man's merit... and that, mind you, during disastrous, face-rub-ravaged season.
Now things are wholly different: stability in the clube on and off the pitch, great, universally respected manager who's been a unifying influence and is awe-inspiring; a settled, happy and proud team of level-headedness.
For the first time in a long time, Stevie will be surround by many an excellent player, an a pleasantly untypical sight for him.
For the first time in a long time, Stevie won't be carrying this team all on his shoulders; he'll be able to look to, and rely on, another to through when the chips are down- a singular reality for our skipper.
In short, the man will be playing significantly less pressure and, perhaps to an extent, responsibility, from now onwards.
We'll also be able to afford him some much needed rest periods as he ages and injuries regularly creep without any serious repercussions.
In Gerrard and Suarez, we've established game-winners/changers; Downing, Carroll and Adam (through his ability from a deadball) all have the potential to be genuine, consistent game-changers as well.
So not bad at all.
But I'm still going to bemoan our lack of a "poacher" and another attacker, a fine dribbler who can play all across midfield.
We simply do not have a goalscorer (of consistently clinical proclivities).
Suarez's your chief creator, not a scorer as in the mould of Higuain, Benzema, Torres etc; Carroll's role will also mainly be creative, bullying, pulling/dragging/drawing oppo. defenders to create space for the others; Kuyt isn't prolific enough, and Bellamy's known for everything but his scoring prowess.
As much as I admire the lad, Suarez simply isn't a scorer; the number of chances he got and squandered last season (i.e. see v Arsenal, Emirates) evidences this.
The way we play the game I find it difficult to see Carroll being 20+ forward a season.
Kuyt and Bellamy will pop in with a few I expect, perhaps 10 apiece.
Of course, it's possible that Suarez and/or Carroll can bag 20+, but it'll take some radical doing.
For the former, he's got to learn to consistently put the ball in the net, conversion rate of at least 1/2.
As for the latter, the adjustment/adaptation issues required for this young to truly be of importance lay bare and plain for all to see.
Hope to see Stevie and Seb getting a few minutes Sunday, depending of course on 'ow the game is going.
Baie dankie
Ray Burmeister
What a player to be able to put on and maybe get the winner we are playing really well and with SG back will only make us stronger alot stronger.
king henry
16 Sep 2011 10:49:23
Opta Stats:
28 - Lucas Leiva has made more tackles than any other player in the Premier League this season. Combative.
YNWA jns
Mayby..but how many were fouls?
He gives the ball away to much and his passing isn't great
Last poster obviously hasnt watched lucas the past 2 seasons manc fool
Does nobody on here actually watch football?
MUSHROOM
How can some people still not be getting Lucas' contribution to the team. Go the game an watch the lad. He is absolutely fantastic, breaking play up all day long!
Wavertree red
Stats say Adam has conceded more fouls than Lucas they also show that Lucas has a better pass completion rate than any other LFC player and in the attacking third he is only 2nd to Downing for pass completion rate.
Another example against Stoke was that he was joint top for creating chances along side Enrique.
Therefore his passing and tackling overall is better than any other LFC player so far this season. People who slate Lucas obviously know nothing about football.
The stats don't lie.
YNWA jns
How can Lucas still have haters?
he's not just overcome the boos and taken the errors out of his game, he's genuinely a class player now, and its not just lfc fans who say so.
16 Sep 2011 10:35:59
can anybody help me?
i've got a "new" season-ticket for a different part of the ground and need to know exactly where it is.
okay....it's turnstile r, stand pk, area pk8, row m, seat 0196. i know it's in the main-stand paddock near the away-end but what i need to know is if it's on the goal-line or the 18-yd line. seems trivial but it's important to me.
i know where pk8 is but i need to know which end of the block it is. also, if you get a crap seat can you change it next year?
thanks
I tell ya what if your not happy I'll take it off ya as i've been waiting all my life for a season ticket and would sit on the back row of the upper centenary just to watch the reds. So if your not happy give me a bell and ill happily take it off you
16 Sep 2011 09:58:46
Eds, I was watching LiverpoolFC Tv last night, top 20 most wanted - Bill Shankly. I have been watching liverpool now for the last 43 Years, and every time I hear shanks voice, I get a lump in my throat, and it makes me even more proud to be a RED..
I love our anthem before each game , but how about the club playing some of his famous quotes along side YNWA, either in the dressing room, or over the tannoy system to get the crowd even more fired up.
How about this:
"Liverpool is not only a club. It's an institution. And my aim was to bring the people close to the club and the team and for them to accepted as a part of it. The effect was that wives brought their late husband's ashes to Anfield and scattered them on the pitch after saying a little prayer. That's how close the people have come to this club. When they wanted to scatter the ashes of their loved one, who wanted to be part of the club when they were dead, I said to them: 'In you come, you're welcome.' And they trooped in by the dozen.
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea. He wanted to conquer the bloody world. I wanted Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in."
16 Sep 2011 08:48:01
I predicted that Gerrard would be back for the Brighton game, looks like that is what will happen.
I think everybody predicted that who didn't sign off their posts.
MUSHROOM
16 Sep 2011 08:42:15
Everyone needs to stop worrying if Suarez is leaving or it will become another Torres. He isn't leaving and doesn't want to so just enjoy it!
Suarez is leaving on a jet plane
Touching down for barcelona
And won't be back again
Oh man he hates to go
His bags are packed
He on the phone
One more moment before he goes
Oh supporters he hates to go
But he's leaving on a jet plane
If he's going to Barca we could make a
straight swap for Messi that would be just about be a fair deal.
Why worry now, I'm sure he's fine. In the future he may want a move, this is natural he's not Liverpool born and bred. And if and when that time comes, I imagine he will be far more respectful than Torres, and if we then get a great fee after years of great service, who can complain. As long as we get players when they are young and hungry to play for us everytime they step on the pitch then this is the most important thing, let the managment judge when that time has passed and they are young enough to warrant a good fee, Torres is the perfect example, Liverpool got his best years and we cashed in big time, he now looks a shadow of the player we had and the signs were there before he was sold, only picking himself up for the odd game (Chelsea) rest of the time he was moping round the pitch in a strop. We had Owen's best years too before injuries blighted him, yes we never made enough on him but I think this won't be allowed to happen again under this management.
16 Sep 2011 08:05:28
Hey ed could you confirm did steve g played a game yesterday.
A sort of get back into match fitness games plus he will be on bench on sunday.
I have been told kenny is trying upmost to get the hype down on steve return but he is expected to be on bench.
Red indian {Ed002's Note - My understanding is that he has been training and has joined in a lightweight practice game. I also understand that he is pretty much ready to go but it is thought that the club will not rush him and will ease him back in to the first team. So perhaps a bench place in the next week or two.}
What a player to have sitting on the bench....
16 sep 2011 08:05:24
liverpool fc banter page, are your guys dumb or what (aimed at those who fail to understand what liverpool fc banter is all about)
i do not want to read about anything else but liverpool fc banter.
celtic does not concern me lfc does...
teejay 96
16 Sep 2011 03:59:31
so this carroll guy you guys love so much huh, and all this money talk
yea, sometimes i too cringe to the 35 Million figure, but then again thats just media hype in a way, and please correct me if Im wrong eds, but didnt chelsea negotiate that purchase for us, after they bid for FT on deadline day and we asked for carroll and 15 M ? even in the hypothetical scenario that we sold carroll for 10 m, it would be like we had sold Torres for 25,o, lets kinda put that 35M into context before we compare him to aguero and dzeko. Not that im suggesting in any way that we sell carroll(i dont even let myself have an opinion about what we should or could be doing anymore, I am just a mortal and have full support belief and confidence in our King, and the rest of his board ;) .....
Plus, even though i wasn't so hyped about all the players as they were coming in , our entire policy and structuring of the team is an incredible investment, we may have overpaid on some local players with EPL experience, but we paid the premium for getting some good team players for moderate wages. Can anyone notice what kind of wages teams are signing players on? and not just city, how much is Mata on,diego,even cahill how much would he demand, or Pastore's new contract, dont even go to aguero, which is around 12M(250 p/w) then again hes probably gna be worth it.... the transfer fee is just like the deposit you pay to buy that house of yours, or are we all living in four walls and callthem flats now days :D
What im proud about our fresh start since Jan, is that we have managed to build a backbone of a squad that is overwhelmed with players with high workrates and team players,., especially with the King as manager, he will make them all Men regardless of age. but most importanatly, we have managed to do all this with a healthy wage budget (i would apreciate it if someone can point me to that current figure).... Which means if we actually manage to get it in gear and keep it in gear and get back into CL, there definitely will be a substantial amount to buy both young talents and world class ready made fresh just out the oven kinda players, and being able to sustainably offer them competitive wages,, we are set up correctly, professionally (Finally) and with clear targets for getting back to greatness, however i do feel that if we do fail to make that 4th place it will cause a huge delay, much more than the one year to get our stature back, which lets not take the competition lightly, the EPL is one of the most competitive ....anythings man has ever seen
ill leave you with this, how great would it be for the King to do in 2 years, what it took Fergie 20 years to do ..........
pink panther
16 Sep 2011 03:06:36
Just on the Andy Carroll debate I think he will come good in time. Its worth remembering that we were right behind Crouchie when he went so long without scoring. This season alone Carroll has got a goal and been unlucky to have one chalked off against Sunderland. He may be unfit/injured but I think its more a mental thing - I mean going from being a local idol to being touted as England's no 9 to that price tag must blow anyone's mind. I think we need to get him believing in himself to turn him into that pirate one man wrecking ball. Forget the price tag and and you will see he is a good player. Hoping he lashes in a 20 yarder against the Spuds.
I agree too many fans not prepared to give the lad a chance, you can add a goal against arsenal that shoul have stood. I hope he terrorises the spuds defence on sunday.
KopIdol YNWA
I don't care what anyone says, I really want Andy Carroll to succeed it's just the type of guy I am you know a true LFC fan. A fan who gives players a chance to prove their worth. So sod you slaggers CARROLL is my NUMBER 9...
teejay 96
It must be annoying to be scoring and trying to prove his worth, but the refs seem to always disallow his goals for things others get away with. I think once his confidence builds a little he'll prove everyone that he's worth it, look at Dzeko he's playing well now and its only a matter of time till Carroll does too
I think it took crouchie 11 games to score but carroll is a far better player if u look back at the stoke game he draged 2 players away for suarez and pointed for him to run in i think it was the hand ball one just because he dose not score dose not make him a bad player it will all work out
on words and up words
We have to admit that dzeko is in a different class.
Dalglish broke the british transfer record by paying Newcastle £1.9m for Peter Beardsley in July 1987. Beardsley had a belter of a career with Liverpool. If Carroll and Henderson live up to their potential, regardless of how high their price tags are, they should follow suit.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
16 Sep 2011 01:30:05
I refered to the concacaf conmebol as the concaf cup. And ash said Coates had never played with any of the uruguay cup squad despite the fact that 4 of the squad were part of the same league winning team and got to the final of the south American equivalent of the european cup final.
Would anyone please clarify is my spelling or his lack of facts the more important factor and who looks the most foolish?
Huyton red
You are so upset by this the you are starting new threads. Get over it you sad pathetic fool!
Ash
Shut up ash you Manc faggot no one likes you. Go back to manc site!
Oz red
His lack of facts make him look like a tosser piss off ash
Oz red
15 Sep 2011 23:56:26
After reading through the whole Celtic/Rangers and YNWA debates, i ve come up with the following:
1) Who cares which supporters sang it first?
2) There's a great bond demonstrated between CFC and LFC, remember the first game played after Hillsborough between both teams,spine chilling version of YNWA in a show of unity.
3)It doesn't matter who wins league in Scotland, they'll both struggle in Europe anyway.
4) I don't like fish, more of medium steak man myself
5) And on a different note, I attempted to wind up the Mancs on their banter site ref Kevin Davies and Paul Scholes, why wasn't it posted :(
Rebel_Red
Medium rare for me, preferably the King of steaks...The Rib Eye, aged for 28 days.
If your in London try O'Shea's butchers Montpelier St. near Harrods or O'Shea's Selfridges (ask for Les), expensive but you won't find better!
Make sure you baste it in butter one minute before the end of cooking time, then rest it for twice as long as you cooked it.
dmedly
Ps. Little condiment on the side of 2 parts horseradish - 3 parts sour cream - 1 part Grey Poupon Dijon mustard and 1 part freshly chopped chives.
Nice powerful Aussie shiraz to wash it down or an elegant Syrah from France with some frites!
DEE-LISH!!
Bring on the cooking banter page please Ed's.....please please please
Irish Red Dog
Cut potatoes into 3/4 inch cubes, boil for 5 minutes, then roast till crisp in hot oil, with a little butter, mixed herbs, garlic and a little bit of paprika and chille powder.
Excellent form of frittes to go with a steak (rare for me)
Irish Red Dog
I love steaks Italian style meself - 'Bistecca alla Fiorentina ' A huge T-bone from Florence in Tuscany. Get ye sen a good thick T-bone (1-2 inches thick, I'm not joking you, this is serious steak). Get it on a good hot barbie, with wood not charcoal. You want to cook it a good while, and you want to keep turning it so it does not get too burned outside and too raw in the middle. Then slice it up in pieces, drizzle over some extra virgin olive oil and a sprinkle of salt, you can even scatter over a few leaves of rocket, if you're feelin' a bit sophisticated. Serve with a full bodied chianti classico. Depending on the size of T-bone, serves 2-4 people and ye dog will love you for evermore for that bone. Top scran!
RedAce