Liverpool Banter Archive October 16 2016

 

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16 Oct 2016 23:12:20
One more sleep!

Believable2 Unbelievable2

16 Oct 2016 23:05:16
Just got back to Oz from a couple of weeks in Liverpool. Little Michael Owen was on my flight to Dubai. Here is my brief chat with him as we went through the gate:
Me: "Hi Michael. "
Him: "Hi. "
Me: "Don't worry, I won't bother you for a selfie. "
Him: "it's ok, I don't mind. "
Me: "No it's ok, I mean, it's not like you're Jamie Carragher. "
Him: "Ha ha, I'll have to tell him that. " (nice warm response)
Me (noticing business class and not first class ticket) "Surprised you're not flying first class Michael. "
Him: "Well, I'm not made of money. "
Me: "Michael, that watch could buy both of us return first class tickets to Australia. "
Him: "You really are a scouser aren't you? "
Me: "Yep, but I've been gone a while, otherwise you wouldn't be wearing that watch. "

There was also a dad and son sitting near me wearing LFC shirts. When the Bursar told them Michael was upstairs and offered to get them an autograph, without missing a beat the scouse dad said, bugger your autograph, we want a selfie. The bursar spoke to Michael who was happy for them to go upstairs for a pic. They were gone about 10 minutes and said he was the nicest guy, happy to spend time. He was on his way to China for something.
Just thought I'd share, I know he isn't thought of in the warmest way from many fans, and I understand, but was nothing but nice and friendly.

Believable7 Unbelievable2

17 Oct 2016 00:54:58
Nice story. Not sure it will go a long way in repairing his relationship with Liverpool fans though!

Any idea what he was doing in China? I move to Shanghai for work this year so would be good to see him if he's doing an event nearby (He was my childhood hero and one of the main reasons I started supporting Liverpool)


17 Oct 2016 01:11:35
Still don't like him.


17 Oct 2016 04:54:03
Sorry AZ, it was the dad who got the pics with him that told me he was heading to China. I was too busy being a smart arse to ask where he was going. Surprised me that he was leaving the country a few days before the game, but maybe avoiding awkward questions was perhaps a wise thing?


17 Oct 2016 09:19:06
I'm sure he's a nice guy, just don't like the way he conducted himself when he left Liverpool and that will probably never change.


17 Oct 2016 15:20:29
It's ringing a bell that Michael Owen has some ambassadorial role involving LFC operations in China? So could be where he was off and you still might he able to see him out there Az.

Could have dreamed it though.

I have odd dreams.


16 Oct 2016 19:16:11
Well, big game tomorrow and as usual, it's my favourite game of the season and somehow also my worst. It's once fixture I genuinly feel sick prior too, and the one game you don't want to lose. If we were 6 months down the line I think I'd be a lot more confident of a result than I am. But as it is, you have a settled side, with a manager who's been in charge for a year now and has had last season to get your team playing they way he wants. Jose on the other hand has still not found his best 11 yet imo, injuries haven't helped, and players are still settling in to a new way with Jose. I don't think we'll see a proper Jose team into after Christmas.

I see a lot of optimism on here, and your rightly favourites for this match. Yet I think some posters expecting an easy 3-0 or 4-0 win could easily come unstuck. We may not have played well so far this season, yet we do have 7 wins from 11 games under Jose, hardly shoddy. Rooney is the main problem and it seems he's finally been dropped for the good of the side.

I expect you to have more of the ball that us tomorrow and at home be on the front foot. But if we can keep you at bay, I think we have the individuals to cause you problems. Zlatan will be a danger from set pieces, and with the pace of Rashford and Martial we have decent outlets to counter. Pogba is still settling in but he's is a match winner, Mata can cause problems and if fit Mikhitarian could be useful off the bench. When he get a run of games injury free will be a top player for us.

So it's a hard game to call, I just have a gut feeling it's too soon for us in Jose' reign and you'll beat us maybe 2-1.

I did see some posters declaring Jose is finished as a top manager. This is a manager who has won league titles and European titles with multiple clubs. A manager who won the premier league just 18 months ago. Klopp hasn't won a trophy in 3/ 4 years, so what makes Jose finished as a top manager? I think people who believe this are kidding themselves, and I expect him to take us back to the top in the near future. Anyway, hoping we cause an upset tomorrow. Good luck.

Believable5 Unbelievable9

16 Oct 2016 20:04:00
I love this post. First you pull a Jose and make proactive excuses; "you have a settled side". Which is laughable considering we made more changes in the summer than you and this is our managers first full season also. Maybe slightly more settled, but certainly not settled!

Then you cap your post off with a claim that a United win would be an upset. So you are admitting that we are now the better side, so much so you consider yourselves under dogs.

How the mighty have fallen ;)

I jest of course, a very humble and honest post mate. I don't think United or Jose are finished, but I don't think either will be successful until they part company. Mourinho needs to take a long holiday, and United need a Klopp/ Pochettino/ Pep. Somebody to come in with a long term commitment and plan to building an identity. You are suffering still from losing Fergie and as was seen when we lost Dalglish in the 90's, it can take years to recover from the hangover you get at the end of such an iconic era.

However that does not mean United will be a bad side in the mean time (Liverpool have won cup trebles and the Champions league in a so called baron spell) and as you predicted, I also believe it will be tighter than anticipated. I do believe you will score, but I think we will get 2 or 3. I will say 3-1 with Firmino, Coutinho and Ibrahimovic getting the goals.


16 Oct 2016 20:06:52
Good post. What's your view on the ref from Manchester.

I think your correct on it being to soon for Jose, I think it will be 3-2 to lfc.

Thanks for the post stand.


16 Oct 2016 20:07:57
A great post mate, good to see a decent post by a Man U supporter, your manager is no where near finished and is still if I'm honest one of the best managers in the world, to think people are saying 3 or 4 nil win I can't see happening, I think Mour would take a draw, I think we will win by a single goal like you said 2-1 or 1-0,well I hope so anyway mate as I'm the only one in my family that supports Liverpool, the rest are Man U supporters and I'll tell you this their worried about this game saying that it's come to early for them.


16 Oct 2016 20:26:18
Fair post mate.


16 Oct 2016 20:49:15
Your 3 point above us in the league, at home, in better form than us and the bookies have you as favourites for this game, I can't argue with that. Regardless of tomorrow's outcome I still believe wel be a force again in the near future once Jose settles down and finds his best 11.


16 Oct 2016 21:24:52
Stand-United,
Tomorrows game could go in any direction, 6-0, 6-5, 5-6, but I do believe IF we come out of the traps we could destroy Utd before half time.
On Jose, I have predicted to my Utd buddies since Fergie left that he would come Utd but it will be like the coming of the anti-christ and he will destroy the club.
Next season we will be back on the perch. :D.


16 Oct 2016 21:47:00
Liverpool has to beat UTD tomorrow. Absolutely no excuses.


16 Oct 2016 21:58:42
Imo I think the result will rely heavily on United! What United is going to show up? The 4-1 thrashing of Leicester or the 1-1 at home to stoke. But also how United play, Jose seems to like his players sitting back organised in big games, but that could just be with United as he's still fairly unfirmliar with his best 11, players strengths, teams quality etc. As with Chelsea last season they came and had a good go at us in the first half. I don't wanna seem overly confident but I only see two outcomes; a close contested game where United show up and play a good game but we just edge the result, or where United sit back and invite us on and once that first goal goes in they'll slowly fall apart.


16 Oct 2016 22:34:45
@Midge

Everyone beats LCFC so you can discount that :)


16 Oct 2016 23:07:42
The OP makes some valid points. Having watched the past couple of games at home where we either outplayed Utd and lost or we made mistakes and they took advantage and won without being that good, I don't believe in us giving them any type of hiding, except you call 2-1 a hiding which it isn't. Mou knows how to win or not lose games like this and frankly, I believe he will sit back and play on the counter as he is too paranoid to open up and play our type of game because he will lose as he's lost to Klopp almost every time. It is up to us in the end because we are at home and I don't believe we will hold them scoreless. However, if we keep a clean sheet, WE WILL WIN THE GAME. That, you can be sure of.


16 Oct 2016 23:09:13
That's true polecat, but they did score 3 from corners which should worry us;)


16 Oct 2016 23:11:04
There is almost too much confidence coming from our camp.

It's United.
It's Mourinho.
It's not going to be easy.


17 Oct 2016 01:14:26
Mourinho who's that again? the games ours, watch.


17 Oct 2016 08:43:39
A balanced post, Stand United. Eagerly anticipating this game, because it is just too close. This is a game which we could dominate territorially and possession wise and still not get 3 points.
As for Mourinho, he's by no means finished, however I do wonder if he'll try and modify his style of management. I think that the 'Us and them' mentality he seems to try and create is not sustainable over a long period, and is one reason for the high turnover of posts he's had. I get the feeling he wants to be at Utd for the long haul.


18 Oct 2016 11:27:35
I personally think Jose could be finished as a top level manager at least until he takes a step back and looks at the way he conducts himself. You can't compare the last 4-5 years between him and Klopp as Jose has always been at teams where he is expected to win the league and has always been given the finance to do so. Klopp is more of a builder and his teams take longer but have more longevity. Personally I believe that the players don't respond to Jose anymore as he's lost some confidence after Real Madrid and then Chelsea. Last season he almost became a joke figure with some of his ridiculous outbursts and the players turned on him. With the type of character he is I think that will take some coming back from.


16 Oct 2016 18:05:23
I'm up to 8th in our fantasy football league with 4 players still to play this game week! Who's bottom own up?

Believable0 Unbelievable6

16 Oct 2016 19:00:24
I'm joint 207th at the moment 😄.


17 Oct 2016 08:36:41
I am hopeful of a good result, i just hope this place doesn't go into full melt down as usual if it does not go our way.

I honestly can't call it because they have a habit of shutting us down and nicking it after playing horribly. Fingers crossed for a positive result.


16 Oct 2016 17:46:43
Karius likes coming off his line, Manchester united would most likely go with long balls Zaltan. Migs should start.

Believable1 Unbelievable11

16 Oct 2016 17:57:27
If migs is on, my ticker will be lucky to see the 90 mins out, I'm all for Karius, why people are against him starting I'll never know. if he came on tomorrow and got a clean sheat all you people not wanting to see him tomorrow would go into hiding. how about we get behind the lad. He's not superior but he's better then Migs and he's young, give the lad a chance before judging him.


16 Oct 2016 18:17:02
I agree united will wanna play the long ball to ibra but that's exactly why I would not play migs, he flaps at crosses and finds himself in no mans land all the time.
Play Karius and have matip man mark him.


16 Oct 2016 19:03:44
I don't know who to play in goal just if Karius plays and makes an error some will slate him and we'll be looking at anew keeper in January. My gut feeling Migs because he has played in these and when on form is a good keeper but if Karius plays a blinder then the confidence this will give him. Just want 3 points tomorrow joint top be amazing.


16 Oct 2016 19:20:44
We can:

1) Start a goalkeeper who's shown poor command of his box for 3 years and is poor with the ball at his feet. He hasn't notably improved since we signed him and is coming into his peak years and thus, likely won't improve.

2) Start a goalkeeper who's shown poor command of his box for 3 matches, and is good, if a little over elaborate and to prone to risk-taking, with his feet. It's way too soon to judge his improvement since he joined, but some way off his peak years and has a lot more room for improvement.

It's not really difficult choice for me. Karius was bought to stake a claim to be #1 'keeper and improve into being a top goalie as he matures. If we drop him three matches in for doing nothing wrong that Migs isn't going to do wrong as well, we might as well have not bothered signing him.

Other threads have called for Migs to start because he has more experience. That's nice, but his superior experience hasn't made him into a better goalie than Karius, has it? If it's to be decided simply by virtue of who's played the most games, then shouldn't we start Mannigar?


16 Oct 2016 19:58:25
You will do karius no favors not letting him experience big games and big players. What play him for the easy games is going to better him. So if he makes mistakes this year, he has this hear, he's a kid in keeper terms. Migs had 3 years, 3 years and never showed improvement. The only team who had to change how we play because he was simply that bad a keeper.


16 Oct 2016 20:04:11
Something Red, you are bang on the money. I don't know but it seems that those who want Mingo to start, have been living under a rock or in a coma for the past three years where he has been abysmal on almost every level and cost us points that are into the double digits. He has shown that he is awful and will NEVERTHELESS get better and a few ok performances, seem to have wiped clean memories of his many errors. Unfortunately, many of us don't have short memories and neither does Klopp. Karius is a young goalie with lots of potential and Klopp will stick with him regardless of hell or high water. It's funny how people wanna bin Karius after three measly games. Didn't see nor hear people slating Migs after the first few games he cost us in fact, many made pathetic excuses for him. Karius will be the starter for the foreseeable future and his detractors need to get over it, really.


16 Oct 2016 23:28:54
In my opinion, Karius has been no better and no worse than Migs in the few chances he has had this season. he's yet to be fully tested. i'd like to see Karius get a run of games where he's had to make a whole bunch of saves before fully judging him. Therefore, for me, Mignolet needs to play against Utd, if only because his experience of big games like this give him a slight advantage.


16 Oct 2016 23:49:11
Annie, your post makes very. Littl sense. On one hand, you say that Karius should be given a run of games to prove himself yet he shouldn't play vs Utd because of his experience. What experience is he going to draw from in big games, exactly? Would that b the ones where he conceded two goals, of which one at his near post vs Aresnal, last season in a 3-3 draw? The Capital One final where he got beat AGAIN, at his near post by Fernandinho? Or in the smaller games vs Newcastle at home under Rafa where he flapped at a cross for Cisse to score or where he got beat at his near post by a free kick from Adam Johnson vs Sunderland at home? There's a lot where all that came from or did you think we all have short memories like yourself. We don't and neither does Klopp and he's seen enough of Mingo through out last season (riddled with his errors and bad decisions) to know that he's been crap and this, throughout his three years here. Hence, Karius is now here and a few average performances will not change that. I propose that you give Karius the same level of patience you were so ready to give Mingo when he arrived three years ago. That is only fair. Mingo got his chance and was unchallenged for three years and he blew it. Time to give the kid a chance to prove himself and if Klopp thinks he's good, that's good enough for me.


17 Oct 2016 06:21:36
Wow Hamilton, calm down. My point was probably not clear enough but your vitriol is unnecessary especially when i'm only posting my opinion.
Migs has played in big PL games and, personally, i would let him play vs Utd based on that experience. he's a very good shot-stopper and knows what he is in for.
Karius has played a few games without really being tested yet. i'd like to see him prove he's a better keeper than Migs before holding the No1 spot. i'd like him to have experience of a few matches where he is peppered with shots all game.
I don't know how he would cope against Utd and neither do you but i would prefer Migs experience in a game as big as this rather than give Karius a try to see if he sinks or swims. there's plenty of games for Karius to get experience but, for me, this is not the one to test him with.


{Ed001's Note - he is not a very good shot stopper. Where do people get that from? He is a poor keeper in every aspect of the game. It would be idiotic to revert to Migs now and we may as well just all give up any hope of winning a title at any time in the future if we are going to arse about making stupid decisions like that. You do not mess about changing the keeper back to a failed useless one just because you have reservations about the new one. You stick with the new one until he either proves himself or you bring in a better replacement.}

17 Oct 2016 09:42:18
More than happy to agree to disagree, Ed. I hope Karius is the improvement we all wish for. Time will tell.


16 Oct 2016 17:45:27
Question for the Ed's ..............

Believable1 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - Post it again on the Southampton page Abbasheep and we will answer it. Thanks.}

16 Oct 2016 17:54:26
hahaha, great job with destroying my username. Fair enough Ed, will post there. Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - Sorry I misread it, but this is the Liverpool page and there is always a great deal related to sheep.}

16 Oct 2016 17:58:44
Ed2 a request. Would you be able to send me the text of my last post? It was long post (and am lazy to type it again, verbatim) and didn't save a copy of it earlier. Let me know if you need me to provide my email address or anything. Thanks. Hope, I am not being a pain.


{Ed002's Note - I have no way of doing that but you can simply cut and paste it from your history.}

16 Oct 2016 17:19:24
Anonymous Woolback calling people imbeciles for having reservations about Karius, have you actually watched Karius pre-season and since he came back from injury? He hasn't had much to do, so has not been able to make any save of note yet. However, the rest of it has been scary, both with the ball at his feet and dealing with crosses, or should I say standing on his line and bottling having to deal with crosses.
If he plays tomorrow, I predict we will concede at least one goal from s cross related error as Mourinho targets him in the air with Fellini, Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Smelling. I can also see him being caught with the ball at his feet, possibly by Martial.

I am not trying to get at Karius, just pointing out that Karius has done nothing to suggest he is ready for a game of this magnitude. By the way, I still think we could win, even conceding 2 goals.
Anonymous Woolback is probably one of those people who screamed for Spearing, Clady and Flanagan because they are Scousers, when 2 were nowhere near good enough and the other will never be the same after injury.

Believable2 Unbelievable9

16 Oct 2016 18:19:24
Karius isn't scouse so don't understand your point there, he is however a better option than migs.


16 Oct 2016 19:19:34
Ah yes, putting words in my mouth over a completely unrelated argument to karius. Maybe i should have reserved the word 'imbecile' for people who make comments such as that.

These aren't just reservations over karius, and not once have i ever said he has been great and is a great player. The reality is i haven't seen enough of him to do that. And neither have the 'fans' that are assuming after 3 games they know all about the ability of a young goalkeeper adapting to a new country who has just recovered from injury.

I don't know whether he is good enough or not but i haven't even thought about that because he is settling in and has been about 5 minutes. Even the games he has played he has had virtually nothing to do. So anybody who claims they have come to a conclusion on his ability is just wrong. You haven't seen enough, nobody has.

What has really shocked me however is that in these 3 games where he hasn't even made a mistake that has led to a goal (which mignolet has consistently done for 3 years and cost us countless games and even trophies) is that people almost seemingly want him to be bad. They are willing him to not be good enough.

I am not trying to be a 'super fan' or even pretend i know better than anybody else but anybody bashing our new goalkeeper after 3 games on social media, just stop it. Shut up. Quite frankly some of the comments on the matchday chats and on twitter have been outright embarrassing and if i heard anybody say that in persob i wouldn't give them the time of day. That is not support. That isn't even constructive criticism. Its just wrong.

Even then, let's say you are right and he is a bit dodgy after first joining us. what's the point in putting mignolet in anyway? He has let us down a countless number of times over his liverpool career, and while he has been okay this year, he is still not the answer. We might as well play karius and even if he makes a mistake, he will learn. He will grow as a player. We can at least try and make him progress. Mignolet makes a mistake and he will not learn, he has proven this. He will just carry on. At least playing karius whether he is good or not will be productive in some way. The guy hasn't even made a mistake that has led to a goal yet so i still don't know why everyone is so scared, especially when mignolet is the atatus quo and only other alternative.

Overall though your post just seems like i have ruffled your feathers and rhetorically asking me whethwr i have actually seen karius play means you clearly didn't read my initial post properly. I haven't seen enough of karius, nobody has. The difference is, i support. I want him to be good. I expect him to make mistakes. He is out new goalkeeper and i want to see him develop. Whereas you seemingly want him to fail, throwing your toys out of the pram over a few dodgy passes and catches, resorting to irrelvant innaccurate digs at my opinions. God knows why you attribute your username to klopp when you want to bring on the failure of the players he has signed.


16 Oct 2016 20:14:03
Kloppo, your post makes no sense. You say you saw Karius play in preseason and he hasn't had a save to make of not so you could not judge him yet in the same post, you go on to judge him, saying we will concede by a cross if he plays. Complete nonsense. Have you been under a rock for the past eighteen months where we have been conceding goals from crosses and set pieces WAY before Karius got here or are you going to act like that never happened? Where have you been when Mingo has cost us games and points and dare I say, nearly cost us the Capital One cup due to his error of getting beaten at his near post by Fernandinho or did you conveniently forget all that? Many of us and Klopp do not have short memories. Karius will be given time to develop just like Mingo was given time, time he wasted being a flop and you will have to get over it, mate. Also, don't care if Karius concedes from a cross provided he is not at fault for the goal happening but you'll prolly find a way to blame him for it.


16 Oct 2016 22:32:20
Karius has been brought in because he is clearly seen as a more capable keeper than Mignolet. He needs to be kept confident and given a run of games. Even if Mignolet looks in better form at the moment, taking Karius out now would be a terrible idea for the long term future of our GK situation.


16 Oct 2016 23:48:42
Flanno is ace.


16 Oct 2016 23:54:40
Disagree on one point, Lfc. Mingo is not in any kind of fine form and hasn't been that for eighteen months as he has cost us points, goals and games throughout his time here. I do agree that Karius is his guy and he should stick with him. Chopping and changing gk's is NOT the way forward. We need to support him like many of us supported Mingo until he lost it due to his own incompetence as a GK. But is see that many aren't prepared to do that, which is a huge shame, IMO.


17 Oct 2016 01:15:30
Don't get I really don't. So much abuse on here previously regarding Migs. Now we have a new keeper people are saying drop him for the United game. Ok we haven't seen enough of Karius to know, but it a new country, new club and new football league. Let's give him a chance. No doubt he is going to make mistakes. But hopefully he is the future

On a brighter note nervous about tomorrow but can't wait for the game.


16 Oct 2016 13:37:54
Official - ' Lovren and Clyne 'in the race' to play, Wijnaldum and Lallana remain doubtful'

I hope to see Can on for us tomorrow.

Believable2 Unbelievable1

16 Oct 2016 14:06:51
So depending on who is fit we might see Coutinho in midfield again and cannot say I am unhappy about that.

Coutinho's energy and ability to carry the ball out is something that could be of use to us tomorrow. Will be a big game for Can if he does feature and a chance to stake a claim.

I am quite confident about the match. Our players have all reasons to go out and win. Top of the league in their sight.


16 Oct 2016 14:17:59
I'd be happy to see either Can or Grujic on. but for this game it has to be Can for me and to be honest, I really do like Wijnaldum, I think he's been decent, but ahead of him would be Can for me anyday.

I am also confident about this game, I like that mane said we will win haha! I hope he can do one of them fast hat tricks again!

Not only am I confident about this game, i'm confident about the whole season. Mr Guardiola is getting figured out quicker then I'd of thought, nobody is playing like Liverpool are.

Top of the leaggue tomorrow lads.

It can't come quick enough but nervous as hell about it! going to make sure I have some beers in to calm my nerves before the game haha!


16 Oct 2016 14:31:39
Would not go with Grujic, not saying he is capable of stepping up but this is a massive match, our biggest of the season yet.

Whoever Klopp decides to pick, let's just smash the mancs!


16 Oct 2016 15:43:48
Yeah I agree Max, Grujic is definately one for the future, but not for these big games just yet.


16 Oct 2016 16:38:49
I've got a feeling that Mourinho will try ' spoiling ' tactics tomorrow.
Try to slow us down at every opportunity. Players feigning injury, takes ages on throw ins, free kicks, goal kicks etc.
Or try to get one of our players sent off.
Then hope they'll get lucky with a big ball into the box.
But I'm sure Klopp will have our players ready for any tactics the Mancs try to employ.


16 Oct 2016 16:43:41
Official?


16 Oct 2016 16:49:19
I hope Jose does do that La because there is NO WAY that Man Utd are good enough to defend against Mane, Firmino, Sturbridge and Coutinho 😄😄.


16 Oct 2016 16:50:16
yeah, liverpool official fb page put a video up about the game with info. This was part of that info.


16 Oct 2016 12:19:34
Mourinho getting in the psychology early with his comments about the ref.

The FA are so slack on this. They should just make an absolute blanket ban on managers talking about referees either positively or negatively. If journos ask the question then more fool them.

Any managers talking about referees should be fined and receive a touch line ban.
On the plus side it shows Jose is nervous and getting his excuses in early too. 😎.

Believable10 Unbelievable2

16 Oct 2016 12:54:04
Absolutely Ron.


16 Oct 2016 12:57:11
The good old Mourinho, not from the past but from the present.

He used to be untouchable but his arrogance has been catching up with him for years now. If he is in any way going to be successful at UTD then he will need to start taking criticism with a pinch of salt.

The special one is no longer.


16 Oct 2016 14:00:44
I really hope they sit back and absorb the pressure. If they decide else we are in trouble. As much as I love our front 3, our defense and midfield are average at best.
Henderson will need to stop Pogba and Martial.


16 Oct 2016 14:18:36
Midfield average at best? Which matches have you been watching this season?

Henderson's job is clear, collect the ball and distribute it. Hence the reason why Henderson is leading with the most passes when it comes to any other midfielder and probably any other player in the league. He is not going to be given the job of a destroyer as that is not his forte.

The comical part is that some think Klopp is deploying Henderson as a defensive midfielder. Utterly laughable. People need to use their eyes to see what a player do on the pitch, not make the assumption of 'Klopp needs a defensive midfielder' which is a common thing you can read on any footballing discussion no matter where things are being discussed. Parrot fashion.


16 Oct 2016 14:36:59
MAX

What you mean by collect the ball? They are not going to give you the ball unless you BREAK THEIR PLAY. Someone does this.
Football from its existence is pretty much like this mate. You have to break an opposition play to have possession with you.

Both Swansea and Arsenal made us look extremely poor in the middle.


16 Oct 2016 15:35:15
Henderson is not rushing to every single opposition player to win a tackle or break up play. If you cannot see that then there is no point in discussing anything further.


16 Oct 2016 16:10:56
Henderson is the deepest player in the midfield and probably the part stop gap for an opposition counter. With his partners both lallana and Wijnaldum average / Poor in anticipating and breaking up the things the task lies on him at the best. He has done good so far and credit for him to step up. But most of the teams allowed us to keep the ball and teams who pressed us easily bypassed those three names in Hendo - lallana and Wijnaldum.

You are not going to win a match against UTD scoring 10 goals and jose is hardly a pro to fall in the trap.


16 Oct 2016 17:11:06
No point.


16 Oct 2016 18:10:27
Even if that were true Sweet Chin, I cannot for the life of me see Mourinho playing a high press in this game.

And to say Lallana and Wijnaldum have not been good at anticipating and breaking up opposition play is a nonsense. Their winning back of the ball high up the pitch has been a clear feature of our play.


16 Oct 2016 20:22:39
Sweet, your post is incoherent. How do I know? You said Hendo all on his own, has to stop Pogba and Martial. What's Clyne's job as a full back? So in your op, if Martial or Pogba scores and we lose, will you b blaming him for that? And the fact that you think our midfield with Lallana and Wiji, has been average and both have been poor, is the reason Max said, "No point".


16 Oct 2016 12:00:05
Hey eds/ reds
Them results yesterday have put a little extra pressure on tomorrows game and IMO that will make it that more special when we beat them!

I am also interested in the way we will handle the pressure i think it will give us an idea of where we are at mentally.

And also if any of the eds or reds have any updates on the injurys we have

Thanks. LFK.

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16 Oct 2016 13:05:09
It looks like Clyne and Lovren will be fit, but too early for Lallana. Just my opinion on what has been said, not fact.


16 Oct 2016 09:44:11
morning eds, do you have any info on this 17 year old Agustin Davila suppose to have flown in to liverpool for a trial.

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{Ed002's Note - No. If he is that age he is simply a child and years away from the first team.}

16 Oct 2016 23:01:00
Whatever happened to 17 and 18 being the perfect age to break into the first team such as Owen, Fowler messi.


16 Oct 2016 09:24:50
Do not understand why some are so intent on seeing Mignolet being brought back at this point. Maybe Klopp has decided he has seen enough of Mignolet.

Karius has hardly had a chance to prove himself and already some are saying the UTD match might be too much for him.

If anything, it will destroy any confidence Karius has if he had to all of a sudden be dropped. Bringing back Bringing Mignolet back will not fix the issue of goals being scored against us.

Karius needs games to prove himself and dropping him now after a couple of games will be moronic to say the least.

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16 Oct 2016 09:42:17
Don't worry about it max, Jurgen has proved he knows best😉.


16 Oct 2016 10:58:55
Anybody thinking that is the answer at this point and that karius is dodgy is an imbecilr.


16 Oct 2016 12:46:59
I know a lot of United fans are hoping migs plays lol.


16 Oct 2016 13:22:37
Migs had 3yrs to cement the no.1 spot as his own, the fact he has not says all you need to know, Karius deserves a fair opportunity to make the position his own, only time will tell if he does so.

Regardless of who plays they should be given full support, big game for both teams, could put us top tho man utd will also see it as an opportunity to be right in the mix. Roll on monday night, confident of a win but think it will be tight with goals for both teams :)


16 Oct 2016 20:30:41
The GK position is like the Quaterback position in the NFL. There's only one spot and you cannot keep chopping and changing or you will not instill confidence in your team or back line. Klopp has seen enou of Mingo and so has many of us hence, Karius is here and will be the starter for the near future, just like Mingo was given three years to prove himself, an opportunity he has squandered.


16 Oct 2016 09:15:09
I'd like the views of Eds and other Reds on Gary Neville's comments. He reckons we try and blow teams away early but could struggle later against United's power if we haven't done so on Monday.
He has a point-I do think we can look lightweight and United do have some powerful lads- but what's to stop us addressing that with substitutions?
If we did start to flag, we could bring on the likes of Can, Lucas, Grujic, Origi, Klavan (and move Milner further forward) who haven't been starting and are all six footers or thereabouts.
Your thoughts, please.

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16 Oct 2016 09:57:32
I can't believe I'm going to say this but Neville has a point. The main thing for us Monday night is patience. Yes Liverpool are going to hit them wave after wave but we also have to be patient the longer it takes us to score. Utd have no game changers in the squad we have plenty so I'm quietly confident Red's.
YNWA.


16 Oct 2016 10:05:41
He's right when he says we do try and blow teams away early. That was always a tactic that Shanks and Paisley advocated - try and get a shot on goal early, put your opponents on the back foot. It's a good tactic IMO.

I don't know what he perceives as "United's power"? They have some quick players who, if they come on against tired teams, can have an effect but they are nothing special.

We didn't blow Arsenal away early, we didn't blow Chelsea away early and we didn't blow Swansea away early - we still won those games. We are not one trick ponies.

I have only 2 concerns for this game:
1) Rooney: he is always inspired for games against us and he is currently receiving loads of flack, so he will be hugely up for this game.
2) If we faff about with it in defence we will come a cropper. I would limit the team to 3 touches in our own defensive third of the field before it has to go long.


16 Oct 2016 10:39:17
Not sure I subscribe to Neville's comments. I expect us to have more of the ball, in turn working United harder. If anything I expect United legs to go as the game wears on. Purely mind games from Neville.


16 Oct 2016 11:02:21
I think he is absolutely right. If we get our shots away early, dominate the first half, and maybe get a goal or two, 99% of the time those are the games we win.

If the other team frsutrate us and it doesn't seem like our day, we panic, shoot from 35 yards and fail to score.

A physical team like united could then capitalise on this in the last 30 minutes of the game while we are demoralized and have switched off.

I think such a scenario is highly likely, especially when that is exactly what happened to us last year against united.


16 Oct 2016 11:42:12
On the plus side regarding the defense Skerts is gone. In other words no more stupid needless last gasp tackles which resulted in free kicks on the edge of the box putting us under pressure. Phew!


16 Oct 2016 12:51:22
Our team looks a lot fitter than uniteds.
The game will be tiring for both sides but we should be fresher in the last 10 mins, maybe even grab a 4th or 5th goal near the end against their tired legs ;)


16 Oct 2016 13:01:11
I'm sorry but United have no game changers is a poor comment, I know we are rivals but you got to say ibra is, Rooney can be, Mata can be, Pogba can be, rashford can be. They may be playing poorly or not to full potential, but they can all change games in an instance.


16 Oct 2016 13:22:56
We will blow them away inside 30 mins so I wouldn't worry about it 😎.


17 Oct 2016 00:03:43
Nevilles comments make no sense. Every team tries to blow away the other team in the first twenty minutes of every game in order to grab a foothold in the game. His own Utd teams used to do that especially at home as you always look to set the tone early. This is why as the away team, you want to weather the storm in the first twenty to half hour and then mount your own phase of pressure. He's not teaching anybody anything in this respect. Also, we are also a far fitter team than before and if the coach and players can manage the tempo of the game effectively, we will still have enough in the tank to push on in the final thirty minutes. The guy is preaching to the choir and has taught me absolutely nothing on this topic.


16 Oct 2016 08:58:13
I love sturidge a lot and i believe is the 3rd most prolific striker in the league behind Aguero and zlatan. However i believe it's best if Lfc and sturidge parted company.   This would benefit both parties as sturidge will get his desired game time elsewhere and Klopp won't have the pressure of playing sturidge ahead of origi and ings. Its very clear klopp favors origi and he believes he is destined for big things but at the moment firmino is leading the line which throws origi further the pecking, for ings is almost getting out of the picture because you can't see him establishing himself with sturidge and origi already flexing out who gets on first from the bench. Sturidge is a good player but with the way klopp likes his teams to play sturidge is more of a luxury now. Sell him now at the best price possible before he depreciates in value.

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16 Oct 2016 09:35:59
I do not see how selling Sturridge is a solution. His future is unclear but I would rather have him on the bench than go find another player as capable as him.

Ed001 also said that he should get his chances this season. Mane will be off to the African Cup of Nations in January so that will be the perfect time for Sturridge to try regain his form. It is all about managing his fitness and at this point Firmino, Mane and Coutinho are the better option as our attacking three.

Sturridge will just have to be patient. He might be frustrated at not being first choice but he will also be aware that he needs to be fully fit when called upon. Unless he pulls a Sakho then he should be sold. Players will show their disappointment when not being picked to start but it is how they deal with the situation and Sturridge seems to be level headed. He will just have to stick it out.


16 Oct 2016 10:14:47
@maxlfc even an on form sturidge is not the most hard working and unselfish player. Klopp wants a team game which i'm not sure sturidge is best at. Mane going for Afcon gives an opportunity to origi and ings to establish themselves. Both those boys are hard working and team players which klopp looks for in all his players. Sturidge is good but he doesn't complete a klopp team and very soon he will get frustrated, start whining and messing up the dressing room bonding.


16 Oct 2016 10:37:34
It would be extremely difficult to replace a player of Struridge's quality for a reasonable sum of money.

He's a top player and owes the club for the time we have stuck by him through all his injuries and paid his salary while we paid for his rehab.

He should earn his place up front not be looking for a way out. I think he will be fine and have a good season scoring some important goals.


16 Oct 2016 13:17:30
Really African Red? You think Klopp is feeling the pressure to play Sturridge ahead of Origi and Ings? Something tells me Klopp plays his best eleven regardless of outside influences and opinion. Danny Ings and Divock have their own strengths and abilities but neither has reached Sturridges level just yet.


16 Oct 2016 17:23:29
I think Sturridge has all the skill needed but there seems to be lacking in his attitude and Work ethic.

He was at his best for us when All the opposing defenders had keep an eye on Suarez first and then everyone else.
This gave Sturridge a bit more time and space and at that level that's all it takes.

I think we need Sturridge but more for next year in the Champions league after we win the prem.


16 Oct 2016 18:24:26
Sturridge is the first guy to come in if any of the front 4 is unavailable, because they can all shift to accomodate him up front. I think he will get plenty of game time this season.

I like Ings and Origi but DS is currently our best out and out striker. Why sell one bench player to bring in another that is less ready for first team football.


16 Oct 2016 07:41:38
Well done ibey lad. Always said your better on the left than the right. Keep it up! Ynwa.

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16 Oct 2016 09:55:01
Did Ibe score, I see Joe Allen bagged a brace for stoke.


16 Oct 2016 07:37:01
Anybody else seen this Welsh lad ripping it up for club and county? Think his name is Joe something? Anyway, he looks quality and can't stop scoring. Any chance of Jurgen having a look?

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16 Oct 2016 10:33:53
Pleased for him. Always had a great attitude for us. Good luck to the guy.


16 Oct 2016 11:28:01
Agreed, Joe was always good around the squad, got on with his job without complaining too much when not being played and seemed to be a good professional. Good luck to him in his future career.


17 Oct 2016 00:07:54
I have never had anything against the lad. In fact, he had his fair share of good games for us especially vs City where Yaya Toure could never ever deal with him. I'm happy he's tearing it up at Stoke as he deserves it due to his, attitude and work ethic, especially if he's doing it vs Utd every time.


16 Oct 2016 01:44:11
I think the new stand will get well and truly broken in Monday night. We've had some epic nights over the years but a game under the lights against the Mancs with the extra capacity should generate the best atmosphere we've seen in the premier league era. Roll on Monday night. YNWA.

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16 Oct 2016 01:30:43
That Welsh fella playing for Stoke looks decent. Any chance of signing him in January?

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