Liverpool Banter Archive March 16 2017
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16 Mar 2017 20:40:19
Ed002 ypu mentioned ledt wongers further down the page.
Also are we looking for a left footer or no preference?
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{Ed002's Note - I have told you the players Liverpool are interested in and all you did was trash them. You are just coming up with random names - nothing to do with Liverpool.}
16 Mar 2017 21:40:48
Just pointed out some failings tbh as a lot of fans wherw already tipping said player as the next messiah.
We have better.
Thanks for the response!
16 Mar 2017 23:55:30
Julian Brandt, Rafa Silva and Malcom seemed the most likely from the podcast.
Rafa Silva at 24/ 25 years old, is an instant improvement to our first team. Real top quality player. He has pace, excellent control, finishes well and has a sublime weight of passing. Always looks to turn and go forward as well.
Brandt and Malcom would offer more balance to the front 3 than we currently have in Coutinho but at 19/ 20 they are much more raw.
Ed002 also mentioned Jacob Murphy, who I had never heard of to be honest. Internet search suggests he is a right winger though and also quite young at just 22. Additionally, Inaki Williams was mentioned but he is a striker who can play right wing and doesn't really do enough for me to justify the hefty price on his head.
17 Mar 2017 11:11:53
Rafa Silva doesn't score enough for all the talking and skills he shows on the pitch. Another player who cut inside very much like Coutinho.
Never heard about both Malcom and Murphy but it looks like we are going the same route again. But U19's on bargain price and polish then to sell on a higher money.
I am sorry if you really want to challenge the likes of Chelsea, UTD and City next year you need much more than kids who will buckle up on pressure.
What is Klopp thinking?
We should be looking at the likes of Insigne.
I would rather harry Wilson on Ojo than kids of other clubs.
17 Mar 2017 12:02:17
Agree with Harry here. I will be disappointed if the club splurges more money on more teenagers this summer. We need proven talent that can deliver immediately for the next 3-4 seasons while Ojo and Co mature. Not more youngsters to compete 3-4 seasons from now with the huge number of youngsters already at the club. Players like Malcom and Murphy hopefully will not come here and block Ojo and Woodburn's progress. Why not just spend a little bit more on the likes of Douglas Costa who would deliver instantly and provides the width and pace our frontline so desperately needs in Mane's absence?
17 Mar 2017 16:38:15
I am literally disappointed with the our targets for the summer atm. The names Boss mentioned on the podcast wouldn't improve us one bit except Brandt who is going other way.
The club have learned nothing from the past. It is a plonker idea to buy kids from other academy when you have an expensive facility with you.
There is a reason Arsenal over the years has won nothing.
Can someone explain me why are we buying sesaangon when he wouldn't start for the first team?
17 Mar 2017 16:40:55
Insigne will be very expensive and trust me, you don't wanna deal with the Napoli owner DeLaurentis. He is a nuts. Just ask Rafa. We should be targeting players who not only can improve us but most importantly, want to come here. Not sure Insigne fits the bill.
We got Matip, Mane and Wij who are not really household names worldwide BUT have improved us tremendously. Said type of players is what we need, not random names of young players seen on the web or youtube or players who don't wanna come here.
17 Mar 2017 16:44:20
Rafa Silva definitely scores goals Harry. He usually averages a goal every 4 games over the course of a season. He matches that with a similar number of assists as well.
He missed the first half of the season with injury this year, but has come back flying and looks to be getting back to his best. He isn't injury prone by the way for anyone worrying. He is a 40-50 games a season player normally.
He would be a very good signing in my opinion.
17 Mar 2017 18:10:03
I have faith but the level of players we're being linked with compared to the players the teams we're trying to compete with quite worrying. I'm all for building for the future, but surely we need players who will improve the team with immediate effect.? Just a bit worried about being left behind, I guess.
NB, haven't listened to the pod yet - will do on the way home.
17 Mar 2017 18:28:53
TQ if you ever are worried, then just remember we signed Mane and Gini for about half the price of Pogba and Mkhitaryan.
The status of the player is really not that important.
17 Mar 2017 20:13:29
Fair point, although money's not the issue as Utd can clearly afford it. And when you hear them being linked with the likes of Griezemann, you can't help but be a bit worried.
I take you point, though; big names don't always mean top quality.
16 Mar 2017 19:27:50
If we sign a left back would Milner even get in midfield?
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16 Mar 2017 19:50:22
It's hard to see where he'd fit in. He'd probably be the highest paid sub in the league. I do like the guy though. Always gives everything he's got.
16 Mar 2017 20:27:03
No chance, he's on ridiculous wages. I would gladly let him leave this summer.
16 Mar 2017 20:58:12
James Milner on the bench would provide great quality cover
for a number of positions within the team.
This would make the squad / bench of a much higher quality than we are used to seeing at the moment.
Forget his money you are always sure of a performance from
this player and he has to stay also for the experience and guidance he can provide to the younger players coming through.
Marco.
16 Mar 2017 23:57:14
We should use the academy for cover at maximum. Not a misfit just coz you like him.
16 Mar 2017 23:58:21
Milner is approaching the end of his career so he may not like the bench. Also on 150k a week, him being a bench warmer would what we call "Dead Money", as in money that is not working for you. I'd rather we let him go.
16 Mar 2017 23:59:49
All huff and puff for me, he gets away with his lack of quality at left back for me because he has more time to pick passes and decide what he is going to do. If he isn't going to be left back anymore he should move on, im yet to see this 'experience and leadership' he was brought in for.
17 Mar 2017 06:04:56
Milner is a top professional and you don't hear anyone whinging about the expensive subs on other sides benches. just that we don't have anyone of similar quality to bring on.
I see Milner hopefully staying on at LB to compete with Pereira until he's settled in, then offering a versatile to play across almost any position. He was actually quite a useful impact sub in 14-15 with his ability to whip in crosses from RW late in a game winning us a number of important points. Certainly better than Clynes delivery from out wide.
17 Mar 2017 10:40:00
Who's available on free that is better? There are 1 or 2 or more Weaker links than Milner.
17 Mar 2017 16:42:56
Spot on, Dermot. There are a few other holes in this team BUT Milner is not one of them at least, for now.
16 Mar 2017 16:16:03
If anybody missed it, Erudite deity 2 (Ed2 for short 😄) recorded a new podcast about the latest Summer Liverpool transfer rumours.
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16 Mar 2017 15:42:14
CL will be make or break for Liverpool. let's face it, whichever players we scout will see clubs who qualify for CL be one step ahead of us when offering contracts to those players.
We will have to scupper up deals like Mane where we pay over the odds if we do not qualify for CL. Not saying Mane was not worth the money but he was a risk at the price we paid for him.
It is going to be like playing russian roulette again if we do not have CL football on offer.
Luckily we set ourselves up well to finish top 4 earlier in the season. Final push and beating City will take us one step closer. Fingers crossed!
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16 Mar 2017 16:15:20
It's such a shame January was that bad, because even if we had picked up one more win we would be sitting much better now. I think we need to beat city this weekend to be honest and I'm not sure it will happen.
I fully agree we won't get any first targets if we don't qualify for cl. Think we could have a strong future if we can just get that top 4 spot so we can spend and attract a bit more.
16 Mar 2017 16:40:10
Ko lo, Liverpool will spend irrespective of whether we qualify for CL or not. No CL just sees Liverpool taking bigger risks which can come back to bite us financially.
We had a higher wage bill than City and Arsenal last season which is not a very good thing when what Liverpool spent did not add up to how Liverpool performed on the pitch. That just leads to further disaster.
16 Mar 2017 17:07:09
We won't spend as much or get as much quality that's what I'm saying.
16 Mar 2017 18:09:19
What is not spend as much? If Liverpool have one of the highest wage bills in the League it means we are spending far too much without achieving success in accordance to what is being spent. Players will leave in the summer but with new additions it will see our wage bill increase even further.
There is no such thing as 'won't' spend as much when it comes to Liverpool. FSG will once again open their wallets to fund the club financially next season, just like they have all along which puts the club into further debt, debt which the club cannot afford.
For crying out loud, Ed002 has consistently spoken about FSG hanging themselves financially when it comes to Liverpool. And if you want to disagree then so be it, it will only be because you do not understand how Liverpool's finances work on a day to day basis. The club made a significant loss in the recent financials which FSG now need to fix.
16 Mar 2017 19:12:19
Man City are a top 6 club, LFC will bring their A game.
16 Mar 2017 19:24:55
3-1 to Liverpool, Citeh are awful. They'll try to play us at football and we'll tear them apart.
16 Mar 2017 19:39:48
Champions league does not mean you automatically sign quality players - anyone remember summer 2014?
It's about targeting the right players to fit in the team and to improve the weakest areas of the team. We need to be better at scouting, we need to be better at identifying our weaknesses.
Leicester proved you don't need Champions league to sign quality players - Kante, Mahrez.
Champions league is not make or break, you're being far too dramatic. Never heard such defeatist nonsense.
16 Mar 2017 20:16:45
It's mad isn't it. We're asking the players to get champions league, so they can be replaced 😄.
16 Mar 2017 19:17:35
Happens when you hand the likes of Lallana's a mammoth contract worth £30 mill for three years Max. Wages are certain to shoot up!
16 Mar 2017 19:17:25
Spot on, Max. Many complain that LFC don't spend but when you say that our wage bill is higher than City's (who spend way more than we do), they have nothing to come back with. People keep saying that FSG "won't" spend yet have no way of backing that up with real facts just personal innuendo which are not facts. I guess they must have forgotten that they dropped 300m to BR for his three years here but clearly, that's not seen as "spending enough" for some on here.
16 Mar 2017 20:41:39
I agree ron, all I'm saying is you can be sure that cal qualification will make a big deifference to our summer.
Why maxy boy can't handle this comment I don't know.
16 Mar 2017 22:11:13
It makes sense Ko Lo as CL qualification increases our turnover therefore increasing our FFP budget.
16 Mar 2017 23:55:42
Nearly £200 grand a week Harry. I don't think that's correct. I would be stunned if it was.
17 Mar 2017 07:18:34
Ron, 2014 Rodgers was in charge. He did not have the credentials to replace a player like Suarez. We got Benteke instead and paid a ridiculous price for him along with making him one of our highest earning players. Firmino might have been signed under Rodgers but only because we offered way more than other teams were willing to pay. That is how Liverpool have had to conduct transfer dealings over the years by always paying over the odds as the only thing that can compensate for lack of CL football is paying over the odds to try fend of the competition.
CL does and will make a massive difference. It is not a secret that Coutinho could leave should we fail to qualify for CL. How will we replace a player of his quality if we are after a big name player who wants to play at the highest level in Europe? We cannot replace Coutinho with some unknown kid with potential. It needs to be a player which can step in straight away for Coutinho.
We are after Brandt, if we fail to qualify for CL then a team like Bayern and others who are looking to sign him will hold all the cards when offering him a contract.
The players we scout are being scouted by Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and many other teams in Europe etc etc etc so if we finish outside the top 4 then those teams will have the edge over us if they have CL football on offer.
So with no CL it is a case of how much more are we willing to pay for a player compared to offers which other teams make i. e. Firmino.
Russian Roulette = the way Liverpool have been conducting business in the transfer market for many years now. If this continues we are in for a very rocky ride. CL football will be make or break if the club does not want to make another significant loss in the next set of financials.
17 Mar 2017 10:48:50
It's a risk buying any player.
That's why you trust your manager and his team.
At the end of the day if the transfers don't work to close the gap on your rivals then then the manager will be sacked eventually.
Every other team will be trying the same so it's easier said than done.
Especially now that even the promoted clubs can spend 20 million on a player.
There's no poor club in the Premier League.
17 Mar 2017 11:12:17
He is being handed a big money contract which I am sure Irish, all coz he started running 6 months ago. When he stop running he becomes the old Lallana.
16 Mar 2017 14:18:08
Ed01 or Ed02 maybe not Liverpool related but I would really like to hear your opinion on up and coming players in world football as I respect your football knowledge as you tend to know a good player when you see one. I see young players that are expected much of like Donnarumma for Italy, Asensio for Spain, Jesus for Brazil, Mbappe for France, etc. My question is are there any young English players up and coming you would put in the same bracket as those 3 that have the potential to be world class? Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any young English players who have the profile the likes of which you have mentioned. The likes of Jay Dasilva Josh Tymon, Marcus Rashford, West Ham's Reece Oxford, Lewis Baker, Sheyi Ojo, Ryan Sessegnon, Matthew Target, James Wilson, Oliver Burke, Fulham's Ryan Sessegnon and Rob Holding are all seen as having a good future ahead of them but I am not so sure that they will reach the level of the players you mention. Dele Alli is clearly the pick of the youngsters.}
16 Mar 2017 14:56:12
I have to Agree with you on Dele Alli I think he has to be considered England's Biggest Prospect. I think Patrick Roberts is up there as well has impressed me a lot for a player of his age.
{Ed002's Note - Patrick Roberts is in a bit of a holding pattern unfortunately.}
16 Mar 2017 15:06:33
Ryan Sessegnon, so good 002 named him twice, unless you meant Steven.
{Ed002's Note - His bother has not yet demonstrated that he is up there just yet but there is a Premiership side looking to take him from Fulham this summer.}
16 Mar 2017 13:04:10
Hey Ed's and reds.
I have two questions if that's okay.
First do you know if Daniel Agger will be coming back to the club? Maybe as a coach or anything like that?
Secondly due to the unfortunate passing of my Girlfriend 2 days before Christmas I want to start going to more games and kind of live my life. How do I go about getting tickets for away games closer to me in Gloucester? (may i say just coming to this page daily like normal has given me a sense of normality so thank you)
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{Ed002's Note - (a) Agger is not a coach. (b) I am sorry to hear about your girlfriend. West Brom, Stoke and Swansea would be the nearer teams but Liverpool will be a big draw. Aside from scalping tickets or paying for some sort of hospitality I would think a Membership scheme would be the best option.}
16 Mar 2017 14:19:53
Very sorry to hear about your girlfriend mate.
16 Mar 2017 16:23:58
Sorry for your loss buddy. I am assuming 1992 is your birth year, so she must've been taken at a cruelly young age.
I hope you find your inner peace soon mate and can continue to live the life she would've wanted you to live.
In terms of tickets, it may not be everyone's cup of tea but if you really want to watch Liverpool play a live game of football in the stadium, it is much easier to get tickets for pre-season games or u23's games. It is also far more affordable.
By doing this I got to watch Raheem Sterling score his first ever senior goal against Bayer Leverkusen and see Wilson, Woodburn and Gomes destroy MK Dons. When you are watching in the ground you get engrossed in the occasion and can easily forget that it is just the kids/ reserves! Liverpool red, is Liverpool red!
16 Mar 2017 20:00:03
Thanks ed,
Any chance of a ambassador role or anything like that? He is just a player that was always loyal to the club.
Unfortunately she passed away in her sleep. Was only just 20. It's cruel but life goes on just trying to stay positive.
I will look into the membership scheme. I'm happy to watch any games really pre season seems like a good shout. I'm more then happy to travel to Liverpool just rather stay a bit more local. Thank you.
{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't think so.}
16 Mar 2017 23:55:49
Sorry to hear that buddy, hope you can move on and get back to normality. May she rest in pace #YNWA.
16 Mar 2017 08:52:37
Eds what's youl opinion on Harry Wilson seems to be on fire for the u23's but not given the same chances as other youngsters? Thanks.
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{Ed001's Note - he had to earn his way back in after injuries, he has now got himself on the fringes of the first team squad due to his performances. I don't see the issue, surely that is how it should be?}
16 Mar 2017 09:44:39
Come on people he's not going to start when he has coutinho and mane in front and if people have not notice we are in a battle to get champions league football not like last session when is was clear the Klopp choice the Europe leauge over the league so the kids can get a chance.
16 Mar 2017 09:22:51
I think it's more that someone like Woodburn seems to be given more chances than Wilson Ed? I may be mistaken however.
{Ed001's Note - well Woodburn got himself ahead and has deserved his chances, that's just how it is. Wilson has to keep going and he will get there too.}
16 Mar 2017 11:22:20
Fair enough Ed.
16 Mar 2017 13:20:47
Have to agree with Ed001 on this, from what i've seen of Wilson this season in U23's he's been fantastic but Woodburn took his chance well and deserves to get more chances. He looked comfortable against Burnley at the weekend and glad to see he got a call up for Wales!
16 Mar 2017 14:24:13
Absolutely agree with the Ed. It's all about taking your chances and fair play to the lad Woodburn has taken his and hopefully Wilson will get his chance again which is looking very likely.
16 Mar 2017 14:11:16
Wasn't a criticism of any one just wondered what your thoughts were nice to see our young players getting a chance. Thanks for the reply.
16 Mar 2017 16:19:18
He should have had his chances when Mane was away. Never understood y he was never given a go when this team needed a winger.
16 Mar 2017 08:32:20
Hey eds n reds. So apparently Leeds i think it is has a young player with possibly the best football name of all time. Ronaldo Viera. Sign him up.! He can't not become a worldy with a name like that surely.?
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18 Mar 2017 09:42:53
He actually has a brother in the youth team called, romario viera.