Liverpool Banter Archive July 16 2013

16 Jul 2013 22:48:38
would we be better off going for PSG forward gervino is that his name?
dannybhoy

16 Jul 2013 22:30:12
Hi Eds, do You see us puting a bid in for Shaqiri? Seems like a player BR would look at, young, very skillful with something to prove and we are in need of a quality winger. Thanks {Ed001's Note - I don't see it happening, he would be expensive, he is on an extremely high salary and seems to be injured all the time.}

What would you class as extremely high? I thought he would be on 50-60k a week. If he was bought I'm sure Downing would make way who would probably be on higher. {Ed002's Note - That is an easy one - "extremely high" was 1972 to 1978.}

17 Jul 2013 10:02:55
Top reply Ed002, "the lost years" eh?

16 Jul 2013 22:27:30
The game changed maybe 10, maybe 15 years ago. As soon as the silly money came along and the influence of the agents increased, loyalty (for the most part) went out of the window. This, coupled with the influx of cheaper (albeit technically better) foreign players meant that the concept of most players staying at one club for more than 5 years became uncommon. Of course, we have two recent and brilliant exceptions. Agents will encourage their 'meal tickets' to chase the dollar, it lines their pockets and takes into consideration a short playing career vs most employment. Most full-time footballers are not rolling in it, so a move or two does help.

That being said, players come and go, in my memory, Keegan, Kenny, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres all came, were loved and then went. We move on, we adapt, we will find new idols, they may already be here. One thing is for sure, we will support all those that don that famous red shirt. I like the team building that is work in progress. Logically, the approach of buying young talent is what we can afford to do. We have to be pragmatic and work within the financial constraints we currently have.

I believe that in time (maybe not this year) we will have the strength in depth, the competition for places, the desire and the quality to be up there. It's not always about having the best 11 players in the world on the pitch, it's about having the teamwork, the philosophy and the pride in the badge. It's about the team. I like what I see, our footy is increasingly, 'easy on the eye'.

Bottom line, let's not worry too much about Suarez, we adapt we move on. today's newspapers. tomorrows chip wrappers.

YNWA

Like poetry love it.

Leeb7red.

Totally agree, an excellent post

Football changed in 1992 when Rick Parry formed the Premier League. He then joined LFC to make sure we didn't capitalise on his idea.

Beautiful jonesy. Beautiful.

Alfie

16 Jul 2013 21:40:38
Hi all Red's&Ed's. I'm really happy bout our new player's&really looking foreword to the new season.And there is a but.I'm hot to confident in our full backs.Johnson very good going foreword but he has been caught out a fair bit.As for Enrique he's not bad but long term we can do better.
BarryinLouth

16 Jul 2013 21:07:08
Not really related to Liverpool since he won't be joining but many people are saying wages are a stumbling block for higuain, they are not. He is not a top earner at Madrid and has never been too focused on money when negotiating new contracts, playing time has been his focus and to my knowledge still is.

Nevada

Agree with you completely Nevada.

16 Jul 2013 20:30:45
Hi rds, posted a couple of hours ago but not been put on, didn't think there was anything wrong with it, any reason why it hasn't been posted? cheers {Ed002's Note - Can't see it.}

Its happened to me a few times.

To cut it down a bit all this talk of losing Suarez on 120k a month so let's give it to higaun, that contradicts what we've been doing for last few years in cutting wage bill and also think bringing someone in whose unproven in premier league and making them one of our highest paid players is hypocritical, everyone complaining about Suarez and loyalty, that shows no loyalty to the players who have been loyal servants to the club, Agger, Lucas, Reina to a degree, even Sterling had plenty of good options before signing his first adult contract with us, we can't afford to put everyone we sign on stupid wages, we're getting away from that now, so like everyone else, prove yourself first and earn a better deal, I'm not saying we will even be interested in him but anyone we look to sign now has to be our way or why, as a loyal player would you want to stay in twelve months when you've proven yourself and unproven players are coming in oboe money than you, that is when we start losing not just the mercenaries but our loyal contingency too

16 Jul 2013 20:04:44
Hi Eds,
why don`t Liverpool go for Rooney? I know he earns a lot but would be a huge improvement of the squad. Putting aside that he is a former Everton player and now at United. I would be happy to see him come.

I would rather chew off my own foot.

Hugely overrated in my opinion, always has been

Because we want players with skill and commitment.
Unlike other sides, we do not need a tub of lard.

With you there Chris. Like many an English player we vastly over estimate their ability.

Nevada

I would rather eat that guys foot after he's finished chewing it off.

Think if you take the "always" out of the chris in tamworth post it sums rooney up imo.

I'm guessing the original poster is joking.
Please tell me so.
Wow!

16 Jul 2013 22:03:13
United will not accept bids from us (and other teams will bid, so they won't have to) and Rooney himself almost certainly wouldn't be interested. So it's a non-starter.

I question Rooney's consistency, his fitness & think he's never reached the level that was expected of him. That being said, anyone who thinks he wouldn't start most games for us if by some miracle he arrived is kidding themselves - because he probably would. But I'm not losing sleep over the fact that he won't come here either. {Ed001's Note - why would anyone want a piece of turd that deliberately sold his life story to the S*n in order to upset people in the city of Liverpool? I seriously worry about anyone stupid and pathetic enough to want that fat lump of dog muck anywhere near this club!}

The most overrated player ever. Has a massively inflated idea of his own worth and ability, thinks he has it all so makes little effort. Let arsenal or Chelsea spunk their money on him, we definitely don't need, or want him.

I would rather sign Taarabt

Nice foot comments lads!

And Rooney is an absolute non-runner he'd be expensive both in fees and wages (wages actually are about double our highest earners!), Utd wouldn't sell us their 2nd best LB who wasn't even that great, he hates us, apart from you we all hate him, he has serious attitude problems and seems to lose interest in soccer every now and again (he hasn't reached his potential and he's like 27 now), he done well at times last season but really over the last 2-3 season's his form and weight have both fluctuated. Is that enough reasons?

Rooney, I'd rather Bentner. and before him I'd prefer Carroll back

Rooney's a top player, still fairly young and I for one would love to see him in a Liverpool shirt. The only thing''overrated''with regards to Rooney are certain individuals opinions on him! Uglygeordiegenius {Ed001's Note - what is top about him? He has lost his pace, he is overweight, he is rash, poor touch, his passing is poor, he has no positional sense at all and is a piece of *censored*. You have no morals if you would want someone in who deliberately disrespected the 96 as an attempt to hit back at people when he left Everton.}

Rooney is overpaid overweight and he is a manc blue, improve our squad in what way is what i'm thinking, I hope he stays at utd and causes moyes a load of grief and drains them of 1 million a month and after two years of that leaves for nothing . I would never want to see that player in a Liverpool shirt

Would you play for a team you hated for half the wages you're currently getting paid?

No positional sense, poor touch? Ed001 your either 8 years old or, and I think is more likely the case, have recently had a lobotomy! Uglygeordiegenius {Ed001's Note - nope, I just watch him play and am not stupid enough to listen to the media masturbating into a frenzy over every dross England player. Obviously genius doesn't extend to your knowledge of football, because running around like a headless chicken leads to a player being out of position constantly. I am sure you would notice that if you weren't too busy lapping up the bull about the fat tit being a 'world class' player. As for lobotomy, I would rather have that than the lack of morals that would be needed to want Shrek in a Liverpool shirt. So please grow up and don't jump to insults because you clearly have not got any evidence to back up your opposing opinion.}

200k a week wages and no CL that's why LFC can't even think about signing Rooney I'm sure they would if they had Champions League football and a very very rich owner!

Just a though Chelsea have spent over £94m on Torres (Transfer, Agent Fees and Wages) so IMO they are the only English team that will and can afford Rooney who will cost over £80m in fees and wages!

Mental this premier league of ours!

16 Jul 2013 19:46:34
Hi eds have we dropped interest on Atsu. I remember reading that Sterling and Ibe are going to get more chances rather than buy Atsu. Is that the situation as you see it? {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it.}

16 Jul 2013 19:45:48
With it being announced that Dani Pacheo can leave, where do people think he will end up? Shame he couldn't step it up another level a lot had high hopes for him.

Mike S

Apparently he had a terrible attitude and thought he had a right to be in the team, would turn up late for training and just not show enough desire to make it. can any of the eds confirm this has been one of the problems with pacheco?

PK

16 Jul 2013 22:07:58
IIRC, Tomkins interviewed Rafa in 2009 and Rafa mentioned that a couple of youth players had bad agents/advisors around them who were ruining them. It was suggested by people "itk" that Pacheco was one of the players Rafa was talking about.

Either way, he's been here for years, under 4 different managers, had three (or four?) loan spells at clubs, and only impressed in one of them. And he has how many competitive starts at Liverpool to show for all that? One?

For whatever reason, it's safe to assume he's not reached the level that was expected of him. It's a pity, because he looked like he had so much potential.

16 Jul 2013 19:43:45
The final nail in his coffin. Michael Owen has agreed to become a columnist for THAT ''newspaper''.

He belongs to organisations like that, the fella is a rat . that coffin was already buried etc, he's a slave to the pound him always was .
5 gold stars

He talks rubbish so should fit in well.

Suarez and Torres may have been painful to deal with and did things in the wrong way but compared to that ungrateful little s#!t they are saints!
Left us for "glory"
Blamed us for the downfall of his career and now joining the scum, no morals that kid.

Is this 100% confirmed?
If so, I think all Liverpudlians will be ashamed of him.
LFC, EFC, Tranmere and the rest should ban him from their stadia if true.
Can't see him at Stevie G's testimonial now.

16 Jul 2013 22:35:23
Mr Owen has tweeted that the story about him and that newspaper are not true. Just thought I would mention.

ThomasK

17 Jul 2013 09:22:02
He's said on twitter that he's not working for them nor will he be in the future. He said he was doing something for an organisation and some media outlets (one which happened to be The S*n) were also present.

16 Jul 2013 19:15:52
Ahoy - the question regarding Mr X Alonso is would he have three and a half awful seasons, play great for 12 months (miss a penalty in the CL final) and then insist on shooting from the half way line in every game?

Very good player, but a huge step backwards with hazy memories clouding many peoples judgement.

BOILED ONIONS

I think mister boiled onions is the one with a clouded memory Alonso is still one of the best passers of the ball and scored a lot of important goals from midfield as for the champions league final he did not miss a penalty he scored it

Exactly, why would we want a world class footballer who's a regular for both Spain and real Madrid.

What juice you drink pal? Can I have some please?

Even at his age and surrounded by superstars, Xabi is the one that makes Real tick. Even Mourinho understood that. You plank! LOL!

Red till I die

A lot of important goals? You may want to check that statistic. A couple of important goals yes. He's scored about 3 goals for RM and I think 14 for Liverpool? Quality passer but too slow and too long ball minded for what we're trying to impose upon the team in my unprofessional opinion.

He did miss it but he scored the rebound

I don't think he had 3 and a half awful seasons. He gradually improved every season into the player that we eventually sold to Real. IMO he's even better than before and matured a bit. Hardly anyone notices how vital he is to Real. He wouldn't be a huge step back if we did get him (which I doubt) because we need quality cover around that area of the pitch.

Ahoy - not denying he is world class, a Spanish regular etc etc, just didn't rate him I'm afraid and wouldn't welcome his return money can be spent elsewhere for long term gains not short term fixes, however I can't fault his attitude as he regularly attends Anfield games and has never said one derogatory word about the club.

Still missed a penalty in the CL final though.

BOILED ONIONS

I seem to remember he scored the rebound from that penalty in the champs league final.

I wouldn't listen to a word anyone says who's called boiled onions. Gerrard aside he's light years better than our entire midfield. Oh he missed a penalty, I admire the tremoundous amount of cool and composure with the follow up.

Fools. the fella could play a pass to gerard whilst gerard was on a run and torres, none of this stationary passes. he's tight control and passing was excellent . u see how hard it is for henderson allen and lucas to play early incisive passing (forward)
5 gold stars

Ahoy - SG is 5 years older, Torres is at Chelsea and we don't have Didi or Mascherano to do the anchoring job and all of Alonso's tackling.

He is a very very good footballer, but not what we need.

BOILED ONIONS

Can't believe I just read this tosh!
Boiled onions?
When you had your herbal tea this afternoon, did you forget the tea part?
Even when Alonso played poorly he still played better than Allen or Lucas on a good day.
And I like those two.
I'll never forget the derby when Gerrard was sent off after 18 minutes.
Alonso and Sissoko were incredible in that game.
Especially Xabi, he covered every blade of grass on the pitch.
Boiled onions?
Boiled brains more like!

You'd see how hard it was for alonso to play such passes at 23 as well

Questioning Xabi Alonso's ability? I've seen it all now!

16 Jul 2013 18:41:07
Join Metro Fantasy league it's much better than the original!

No it isn't.
Premier League fantasy is by fat the best.

Yea FPL is better, Sturridge 2nd most bought striker and Coutinho 3rd most bought midfielder. Just sayin.

Yahoo Fantasy Football is the best one for sure

Ghandi Floss

16 Jul 2013 18:37:26
With Suarez at first I was annoyed, if he wanted to leave that's fine but we have put up with a lot of his rubbish and been loyal to him so with him mouthing off on t.v and radio really made me hate him.

But now i'm just bored, every day its some story, some offer, some Suarez interview. If I never hear of Suarez after this is done i'll be happy and i'm sure the ed's and Ian Ayre won't complain either.

Not seen you post in a while mate. Good to have you back.

Nevada

16 Jul 2013 17:58:07
any truth in the matri rumours?

wafa {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}

Has to be a garbage story, plus, he is garbage.

16 Jul 2013 17:41:15
Since Alderwiereld has rejected Norwich`s offer, will we renew our interest in him? Also, what is the current situation with Thomas Vermaelen? {Ed002's Note - This was answered last time you posted it.}

Adam, give the ed's a break and stop asking the same questions time and time again

16 Jul 2013 17:02:03
Christian Eriksen has now turned down Manchester City, Zenit St. Petersburg and Bayer Leverkusen. He really doesn't care about money so come on ‪#‎LFC‬ stop messing about and sign him up.

Aneesh {Ed002's Note - And Chelsea.}

Don't think Chelsea one bit.!

Ynwa {Ed002's Note - I am sorry but Eriksen has turned Chelsea down in the past.}

He wants Spurs

Your correct ed, even milan this was last year.he season was not as good as before but he is only 21.we should go for him.

He wants a big move to spain. If he has turned down these other clubs then why move to Liverpool?

Because he manages his career sensibly. He turned big clubs down because he wants to be a starter. His dream move isn't on this summer so a move to a prestigious club in a Better league where he will be a Key starter will appeal. Is any of this that hard to understand?

He's turned down more clubs that he's scored goals now.

16 Jul 2013 16:28:58
Just thought I would mention that the new Fantasy Premier League season is up to pick teams if people are interested

I got obliterated last year but will be back.

Ryanwhittington

Is that a league specific to this site? How do I join please?
Chris Astwood Bank

16 Jul 2013 15:53:25
Eriksen has turned down Bayer Leverkusen because he alledgedly wants us

I say get him

he would be a really good upgrade on shelvey and would therefor improve competition in the middle.

he would also be a good backup to coutinho.

if our lw in injured then coutinho switch out wide with eriksen stepping in. meaning we wouldn't have sacrifice our creative influence by playing henderson or allen in advanced roles.

its just logical.

16 Jul 2013 15:48:13
Friends;

The fantasy premier league is open again. Let's do our thing.
I have opened a league on www.fantasy.premierleague.com; please join me.

Details are below:
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I look forward to competing with you guys.

YNWA.
O'seunfunmi Anfield Red.

It was a a330 going to Abu dhabi

Sounds good mate, might give it a whirl - got destroyed last year lol but sure its a bit of craic!

Swallybean

16 Jul 2013 15:47:48
I read Christian erikksen has rejected the chance to move Bayer Leverkusen and Zenit, and with Dortmund seeming to have lost interest in signing him, do you think he is holding out for Liverpool to make an official offer? And who can you see leaving for us this summer on loan or permanently, great job eds!

16 Jul 2013 15:20:35
Notice during a press conference shown on tv Ivanovich praising Suarez as a footballer and saying he has no ill will towards him after the biting incident. Que a Chelski bid for him then.

16 Jul 2013 14:51:55
Would love to be a fly on wall when Suarez walks into the changing room for his first day of pre season (if he does of course). Frosty.

16 Jul 2013 14:43:13
Pretty general question Eds. Ayre in the interview a day or so ago said the club is looking at Suarez
Replacements if he were to go. Any light on who these replacements might be? Young, experienced, talented/unproven, top of the line? Also, is Jackson
Martinez a possibility if he goes?

TjRed {Ed002's Note - RTP and use the search function.}

16 Jul 2013 14:29:13
Hi Eds,
is Rodgers showing any serious interest in Gary Cooper? thanks {Ed052's Note - If your looking for a cowboy joke, read what Ed002 said yesterday}

! Gary Cooper! Cowboy joke! Had me in stitches!

He'll be off to spurs then!

Gary Cooper? What about the Waco kid?

16 Jul 2013 12:54:27
Ed 052, I don't see any logic in Suarez moving to Arsenal.
No ways they are going to win any title this season . probably a CUP which is a possiblity for any side.
CL?. Are you kidding me. they would be out of the tournament by January.
Arsenal would only play Group stage and would be doing that for years, with fellaini and suarez, they won't even pass the group stages.
we are talking about messi, ronaldo, bayern, lewondaski and superstars.
where does sagna, and podolski fits in? {Ed052's Note - I also see now point in him moving to Arsenal}

We won it will Jimmy T at the back dude

16 Jul 2013 14:21:06
Hi All

Was on the LFC site earlier today & again a few minutes ago & I am sure that the article "Rodgers names 27-man tor squad" was "Rodgers names 28-man tor squad"

If I am correct is it due to someone been sick or leaving?

Thanks

ATD {Ed002's Note - Pacheco has refused to go.}

Also Ed,
all news on incoming transfers in stopped that is worrying especially as we still need atleast 4 more players to add to the squad including 2-3 1st teamers.
Noramally one wouldn't worry as there is still 5 weeks to go but with Ayre at the helm I would worry a little.

Does he have a move almost finalised or what so?

Does anyone know why? Maybe a transfer could happen soon?

I think it's stopped because every conceivable player has been named!

16 Jul 2013 15:54:46
And people wonder why we don't want to keep him?

16 Jul 2013 22:38:29
Ed002, what's the deal with Pacheco? Has he stayed behind to complete a transfer? Or is this another example of why he hasn't made good on his talent?
He seemed to play ok in the Preston game and obviously was given an opportunity to play by the management. I would have thought if he was leaving they could have given some time to another player. {Ed002's Note - I guess he is finding out what his options are.}

16 Jul 2013 14:12:11
Since Alderweireld rejected the offer from Norwich, will we renew our interest in him? Also what is the current situation regarding Vermaelen? {Ed002's Note - (a) Search engine. (b) There is no "situation" with Vermaelen.}

16 Jul 2013 13:52:03
subscribed to lfctv for the pre season games, will be able to see all of them except for the melbourne game, anyone know if you can still watch the full game later on if you miss the kick off or will it just be highlights?

I know the match is live on ESPN just like the Preston game.

The is a no spoiler section of the official online video site. They will show the full match some hours after the match.

Arcored

All preseason on ESPN or just go the pub, what a waste of money

To the guy who said "waste of money"

1. It cost 4.99 for a months subscription to get all 6 games, money that will go to the club. Its not much but every little helps (so tesco say)

2. I would spend more than that in the pub in a couple of hours just to watch 1 game never mind having to go there for all 6 games

3. I don't subscribe to ESPN, would cost me a tenner for the month to see the games so again more than I paid lfctv

so thanks for your answer but instead of a waste of money it was a waste of time (yours and mine)

It nearly cost £4 just for a pint these days but watching at the pub is better for atmosphere IMO. Those on a budget could always order a shot with a straw?

Jonny Spandex.

16 Jul 2013 13:30:24
Now have a look at this.

He said: "About Luis Suarez, I said straight after the game, whatever happened on the field finished there. He's one of the best strikers in the Premier League. I don't have any problem with him."

If the Player himself doesn't have a problem, why does the press has a problem in it?

The press would have pretty much forgotten about it if it was not for all the "press" conferences that he keeps attending and bringing it up himself . rubbish PR or a cowardly strategy to keep this façade going and make it look as if he is not stabbing the club in the back . you decide

Because it sells papers. End of.

Just because he has acted with great dignity since he was bitten doesn't make it right!

Children bite, dogs bite, adults shouldn't!

RedLee

16 Jul 2013 14:31:14
To Red Lee

Children bite, dogs bite, adults shouldn't!

Exactly. so what does adults do when gets frustuated ( someone whose short temperd or lack something in brains). they would punch right in the face.
thank god he didn't do that.

When shevchenko missed a sitter againt us in the CL final and then a Penalty. neither he nor the team actually cared.

But when luis suarez casued Liverpool a penalty against chelsea with his arms. he was litreally shatterd and saw his team loosing at home.

He somehow wanted to take us through. win. just win. and he did the most stuppid mistake of a life time.

but the lad never lost himself. carried himself untill the 96th min and scored the goal.

for me that's shear passion. commitment. and total hardwork. with anyclub.

Yes he was wrong for the whole world. But he was right for himslef. and saved a point for Liverpool fc.

I'm not sure what your point is Harry, you asked why the press had a problem with it, amongst their other interest, it was out of order, its not passion its petulance! Its also not ok to punch someone just because you're frustrated.

I'm sure if someone bit one of our players or you your attitude would be different.

RedLee

Stop licking Suarez's arse Harry. You are actually condoning his behavior? Fool!

The real AG

Mr Ivanovic is not trying to sell newspapers or fill up meaningless online blogs. Having said that, he did react like a hysterical little girl at the time. I thought it was hilarious myself like.

Agree.

He played like that be he cared.

All these people slating him are ridiculous.

M

'for me that's shear passion. commitment. and total hardwork. with anyclub.'

Harry, I know what you're saying, but there is absolutely no justification for what he did. The minute I watched it (ironically with my United supporting friends), I put my head in my hands and knew that it was going to have reverberating effects for months to come.

It didn't show passion, or commitment, it showed someone who lost his cool and actually sunk his teeth into another fellow professional. Another professional who was just doing his job, and in the process was attacked. It's uncalled for. Suarez IS a hard working player, but his work ethic does not filter into that particular act of violence (which is what it was).

JFT 96

JP

If I bit some one at work because I wanted to do really well in my job that day and I got frustrated, I certainly wouldn't have a job anymore.

16 Jul 2013 13:22:17
Surely Jan Molby coming out and telling people what's happening at the club isn't going to make the owners happy?

Molby ain't right though

I would imagine that the club are grateful to respected ex players by softening the blow.

In saying that, I don't think it would apply to all scenarios, yet if Jan says it then it's f*****g fine by me!

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, as it's not, but it does make you think as I'm sure certain managers use a little spin in some way-shape-or-form.

DaveyBootle

He does this every year! Last year he said Liverpool were going to sign Granero! Don't worry your little head. Jan Molby has no more idea than me and you!

16 Jul 2013 13:17:39
Apparently Pacheco isn't traveling to Indonesia despite being in the squad.

16 Jul 2013 13:06:42
Few bits of info ed's.

First is purely from twitter that we have bid for Alberto Moreno. 21 yr old right back from Seville.

ok, now the latest I've been told. Spearing as we know has turned down Blackburn. Bolton looking most likely but don't rule out Wigan.especially if James McCarthy leaves for Everton. Sunderland as I've said before don't seem to be pushing after early interest.

Ince is still a definite no from what I'm told despite pulling the plug on his Cardiff move.

And my north east contact still maintains that downing is still interesting Sunderland although West Ham are also tracking him.

Also, Adam Morgan looks highly likely to be playing championship football next season in a loan deal although permanent deal not out of the question of an acceptable offer was made. Up to 3 clubs have enquired as to the players availability thus far

16 Jul 2013 13:00:17
Hi Eds & fellow Reds,

Watched the Preston game the other day and noticed when Alberto came on in the 2nd half he was playing deep in midfield (alongside Lucas I think?) I thought he played up top? Saw one his highlights video online and saw him banging in the goals for Barca B!

Hope we're not trying to change his role.

It's all explained in the Echo my bugle headed friend.

DaveyBootle

Lucas was originally an attack minded midfielder.

MUSHROOM

Good player can play any where

DaveyBootle, one line from the website reads:

"Luis Alberto, meanwhile, played in a deeper, more central role and was happy to link up play neatly."

Not really explaning is it?

And to the last reply, you're talking utter nonsense. If you were the manager we'd have Allen and Spearing up front

Aaaaaah just seen the full article now on Alberto now, apologies DaveyBootle

16 Jul 2013 12:50:18
Just been to Anfield on the stadium and museum tour. Was great not been on the tour for years. Picture taken with champions league trophy. Nice morning, got me excited for the start of the season. Bit gutted seeing Saurez shirt in the dressing room, shame he probably won't wear it again.

16 Jul 2013 12:34:57
Ed's,

tv claiming 4 Premier League teams interested in Fabregas. Do you think this is B******s? If true I'm guessing Utd, Arsenal and maybe City but don't think Chelsea need him. Similar player and price as MK. Any interest from LFC?

Never in a million years

16 Jul 2013 12:26:01
hai Ed. great work. and Big thumps Up.

Most people here are screaming for Alonso and Higuain in the deal.

But how and where does Higuain fit in our system?.
we will be playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation with only one target man and rest as suppliers.
BR sees Sturridge as the CF.
Higuain won't come to us to compete against sturridge, which he is being doing since years at Madrid.
we don't need a 20 mill superstar in our bench, reality, we can't afford.

What we need is either a LW/RW attacker like shakiri, or mertens, tello, pedro or an ACM (like Mickey (obviously gone)
One of the front three would be occuppied by Asaps and Borini and the other would be either countinho and another attacker.

What happens If alonoso come to us.
Alonso would sit with lucas in the middle, releasing gerrard up further and countinho on the wings. which would be deadly if gerrard finds his form.
But that would see the end of 18 mil Allen in our team, because Alonso would play 3 years easily like Pirlo.

henderson would survive because he might compete with gerarrd for the ACM.
I don't think Hendo would play as CM for Liverpool FC for the time being, since its a very important position which dictates the game, and either gerrard or someone with his calibre need to sit in the middle to get those killer passes.

Joe allen would warm the bench if Alonso comes to us.

What we need.
straight cash 40 mill.
A CB in Papa 18 mill
An ACM or an Attacking Winger 20 mill.
Llori would come anyways of coates departure.
If skertel is sold, we would bring a LB, because Enrique sometimes is awful

Done that's our transfer window shuts {Ed052's Note - I don't see where the Hig would fit, but think Alonso would fit in very well}

16 Jul 2013 12:38:31
Good post harry. Please mate keep them sensible as this one.

Sturridge will be moved to RF he can be deadly there cutting in on the left

16 Jul 2013 12:55:31
I don't often say this to Harry, but here goes; g-g-g-good p-p-p-post. That was harder than I thought!

You make a few good points. Higuain is not the right player for us as it will force Sturridge out, and I beleive Sturridge offers more due to his pace a power. Higuain is a great poacher, and would be a better back-up/impact sub than Borini, but would he really move to do that? People are very quick to rule out Yesil and Morgan. I personally don't rate Morgan, although others do, and I highly regard Yesil as the best U20's striker in England. Sturridge, Borini and Yesil are more than enough options, especially when you consider that Aspas can cover there if needed and Alberto can play as a false 9.

Whilst, I think a midfield with Alonso and Lucas would be great with a player like Hendo or Allen doing the pressing and most of the running, I cannot see Gerrard doing that anymore. Alonso would be a rotational player in my opinion with 2 of; Lucas, Gerrard and Alonso sitting in midfield and either Henderson/Allen (against teams we need to dominate) in front to press the opposition, or Coutinho against lesser opposition we can take apart more easily. This could be great as it will allow Gerrard and Alonso to prolong their careers, give us two massively experienced players in the midfield, and prevent Hendo, Allen and Coutinho burning out. Allen and Hendo can both also play the sitting roles if needed, as Gerrard and Lucas have suspect injury records.

Aspas for me will compete with Downing for the right wing spot. Sterling/Ibe will compete with a new signing for the left wing spot. I think this new signing could be either Ince or Dzuduszak as we were after them in January, but of course, Shaquiri would be a dream signing. Alberto will likely be a utility player who will fill holes in the match day squad, due to his ability to play anywhere except a defensive role.

In short, I'd love to see us sign Alonso, Shaquiri/Ince and Ilori. As an added bonus, if we could land a young left back (eg Moreno) I'd be pleased, although Johnson can cover if needed. I hope we hold on to Skrtel and Agger, but should either leave, they will need replacing (Skrtel with a brute eg Papadopoulos, or Agger with a technical defender eg Alderweireld).

I expect we'll see Spearing, Pacheco, Assasidi, Coates, Suarez and Reina move on regardless. Reina in my opinion, will nor settle for a Friedel/Lloris partnership where he shares game time with Mingolet. Expect more loans for younger prosepects. Ngoo and Suso have already gone out for the season, and I would not be suprised to see Morgan, Robinson, Coady and Flanagan join them, maybe Sama as well.

16 Jul 2013 13:07:54
Sturridge would not be moving to RW, I suspect,
BR sees him as the perfect Finisher.
BR needs player like countinho and suarez who have pretty good dribbling skills and pace to link up and provide him with the assist.
And that's where ability of players like suarez comes to pic.
Higuain is typical Cf, like huntelar, falcao, cavani, lewondaski, torres, aguero, Benzema etc.
what he needs is player like rooney, who can score 15 goals and assist another 10-15 goals,
Micky was the best choice. an absolute choice which we missed.
Gotze, reus, silva, Mata.

I am still guessing whose that mystry ACM or Winger BR is looking at.

16 Jul 2013 13:17:05
Ynwa Adam.

Thanks mate. good point. But I still suspect the role of Allen in our team. Alonso never had any serious Injury and he would be regular started like Pirlo at Juventus, such is his quality, he would dominate the oppostion and would relsease gerrard up front to link up with countinho and asapas and sturridge upfront.

Henderson would be the one to watch for. I have criticized him personally, But He would remain in my team due to the energy he puts in.

If I could get 8-10 mill, I would personally sell Borini and buy kevin Germio from PSG, As I rate him miles better than Borini. and he would comepete with Asapas on the right had side.

16 Jul 2013 13:23:17
When Sturridge was signed, he was promised by Rodgers that he would play in the middle of the front 3. He left Chelsea because he hated being put out wide. He will not accept being second fiddle to Higuain, or being messed around again, like he was at Chelsea.

Good points Harry. I have said before that what we need is a wing forward, who is comfortable both out wide and up top; some similar to the likes of Aubameyang, Son, Jovetic, Kokorin, who are all gone to other clubs btw.

Please stay away from pointing out transfer fee as you clearly don't know them.

Also, we can definitely afford £20 million players.

The real AG

All about a squad sturridge gets injured who would you rather hig or borini or else arsenal to sign hig and suarez think about it

16 Jul 2013 12:46:56
Ed 052, Alonso would fit in our system. and probably he would play another 3 more good years. But what about Joe allen, he might be used a sub?. or in the Cup games. he isn't going to come above alonso {Ed052's Note - I've just answered this (I think - or maybe I forgot to submit the post?!)}

16 Jul 2013 14:25:18
To the real AG.
Thanks mate, I got your point.
I believe higuain is vlaued at 25 mill by Madrid and we simply cannot buy someone to compete with sturridge with that amount.
This was the sole reason we have failed in trasnfer previous years.most of the player we bring in doesn't fit right in our system.
we should bring a 20 mill player who could walk away in our team.
we imply cannot give players years time to settle in when CL is a must for us coming seaosn.

To the last poster.
You simply can't assume the future and spend the money. If sturridge gets Injured?. If not, then either one of them would sit in the bench whole seaosn.
If sturridge gets injured Borini or Asaps should lead the line. if they cant, that's our problem in brining them.

Harry, smashed it there mate!

Some good points, and I know you usually get loads of stick, so deserve a little praise here!

Agree with a good few things myself; although I still stand by the "2 quality players for each position" mantra.

I get what you're saying, and you could be right, but I just feel this type of competition is exactly what a club like Liverpool need.

16 Jul 2013 12:07:45
Hi Eds, what's the deal with Henderson and Allen, will one of these leave in the summer? nice work on the site {Ed052's Note - no}

16 Jul 2013 11:56:01
Any chance of Borini Downing and Allen leaving the club? They're just in the way. I think if Liverpool sold these 3 and brought in Shakiri, Strootman and Eriksen we'd walk the top 4. Not saying these exact players would come, but there's definitely better players out there with more quality than what we've got that'd jump at a chance to play for Liverpool

If you want to get rid of Borini you really have no idea.

16 Jul 2013 12:35:44
I would have loved this happen. But No one has expressed any interest in these 3 players.
If we bring another Deep lying midfielder, As peoplem scream for Alonso, That should sum up the time of allen

I no after all he did score 1 goal last year lol
CTR

There comes a point in time when enough is enough an d I have seen no real improvement in borini.

Are you kidding? Borini barely got any game time last season through injury and players need time to get used to a new league. How can you possibly say that you've seen no improvement. Ha e faith in our players!

Why has he got no idea?

Borini has never been a prolific scorer, his movement is actually great but he isn't good enough for Lpool.

Why didn't Chelsea keep him?. Why weren't lots of top clubs interested in him especially in Italy?

Face it he needs to up his game and be injury free or he needs to go.

Borini was injured most of last season so we should just get rid?
Clueless.
Both he and Allen will get AT LEAST one more season and deservedly so.
As for Downing, due to his age mainly he will be moved on asap I'd guess as soon as we have a replacement lined up.

Where enough is enough? He has been here one season and was injured for a long period. you sir are a person if you want to throw out a player that looked very good for Italy u21 and was named in team of the tournament. I really wonder if some posters actually watch football sometimes.

16 Jul 2013 11:42:02
I don't think all is doom an gloom if we lose Suarez as some are pointing out. I think in the cf position Sturridge will get you as many goals (possibly more) than Suarez. Providing we can keep him fit an strengthen 1 or 2 other area's then we can have a good season. Brendan has a plan an I have complete faith in what he is trying to achieve. Top 4 or not this season we have a bright future with our historic club. Cheers

I agree.
But we do need a player in case Sturridge gets injured again.
It seems he's very injury prone so I for one don't want to be left short upfront.
One position we've consistently left ourselves short pretty much every season for the last 5 years is the forward position.
It's cost us every season since.
Utter madness.

16 Jul 2013 11:11:04
Hey eds hats of to you all at this busy time of year.

Is the talk of Gonzalo Higuain and 10mil for Suarez true?

If so I think they are only 5mil off to be fair. That would give us 15 to put on a creative midfielder Eg - Christian Eriksen

Who in there right mind would tern down Higuain and Eriksen for Suarez? And we wouldn't have to face him until next year ;-)

Cheers eds, great job

OxRed

16 Jul 2013 11:04:20
I don't think it's all doom an gloom if we lose Suarez like many are pointing out. Accepted he is a fantastically gifted player but realistically in the cf position I think Sturridge will get us as many or possibly more goals. He has a better goal per game ratio for us than Suarez has. If we can keep Sturridge fit all season an add quality in 1 or 2 other area's we will have a very exciting season. Top 4 or not I believe in what Brendan is doing and the future is bright for our prestigious club

Toccie red

16 Jul 2013 11:00:44
If everyone remembers properly, lui Suarez said that he doesn't like the english media and would like to move abroad. So if he left to arsenal he would be contradicting his decision. Also Liverpool would be stupid to sell him to an English club due to his pure talent. If we sold him for around 40+ million to a foreign club, I would be happy. However if real Madrid came in with the offer of �10m plus higiaun I would take it.

Thanks

Spuddy 13

I don't think any of us had thought about him contradicting what he said about the press bring the reason he wants to leave.
Thanks mate

True, but you have to take footballers words with a pinch of salt, most of the time anyway.

16 Jul 2013 12:24:30
Higuian wants both first team and champions league football.Arsenal season ticket renewal was in June.There is Also a massive waiting list plus extensive silver and red membership, hence no need to make up stories to encourage sales.Arsenal had a 123m cash surplus mid last year before they Negotiated the new sponsership deal for stadium and kit logo.Thats around 21m more per season.There is also a new kit supplier due in 2014 which is much more than the current deal.Taking that all into account, Wenger will never pay the 40m to get your main man.The Higuain deal was almost done and dusted before Madrid raised the asking price by around 8-10m euros. just a few facts from an Arsenal supporter . Like my club, Liverpool have tradition and class. Unlike he Mancs.I still think he will leave, but not to Arsenal.

Agree totally, i'm actually ashamed of Lpool fans atm, if everyone would stop listening to the media bs they would realise Luis hasn't once insulted the club, he states he actually loves the club, city and people.

He states that YNWA makes him feel emotion he hasn't felt anywhere else. If he really was that desperate to go then he would have handed in a transfer request weakening Lpool's stance, he hasn't. Have you all thought he may be feeling the same as Gerrard was when courted by Chelsea?

No you all just believe what is getting twisted and printed.

Just read a post on here about Real using Arsenal to get LS cheaply. Arsenal are indeed a club like Lpool, always respected Arsenal as a club, think Lpool would be stupid to sell to a rival so can't see it happening.

16 Jul 2013 10:59:11
Good day fellow reds.
Was just looking up Pacheo's goals at huesca and I have to say there was a couple of fantastic goals.
Hope you get to check them out on YouTube. Maybe he is finally starting to improve, he looked really decent the other day. Cheers

He tweeted this morning that he won't be going on the tour and will talk about his future soon. Reckon he'll be one of the next to leave.

16 Jul 2013 10:52:46
People keep banging on about Eriksen. As an expat in Denmark, most football fans over here (Liverpool or otherwise) are pretty nonplussed about him. Often disappears in the big games and hasn’t lived up to the hype or potential that many over here thought he would, say a couple of years back. Whenever I’ve seen him for the national side, I’d tend to agree with that view. Appreciate there are many on this site that would like to see him in a red shirt. There have to be better options. Whatever happens, I think there’s a bit more business to be done and looking forward to the next few weeks.

Matt

16 Jul 2013 10:49:05
Eds can you answer me if Liverpool are looking at around the £40 million for Suarez or are we looking at a higher price? I mean we bought him for around £23 million and I know he has had problems (obviously) but still his ability as a player should surely be valuing him higher than £40 mil {Ed052's Note - 40m is what we want}

According to the echo its 50m and the echo is always spot on! {Ed052's Note - Well, believe what you want}

16 Jul 2013 12:48:01
we have to remember he is a good player but also a bit of a nut job that has to have a bearing on his price.Tommy Irish Red

Dont be silly it has no bearing whatsoever on his fee. Look at many players down the years who make this a fact, clubs will always buy talent simples.

Maradona, Keane, Mancini, Di Canio, Barthez, Cantona, Tevez, Ballotelli. I could go on all day.

It's 50 million Euro's or 40 million sterling.

Last poster; they're not the same figures you know mate?!

Think I'd rather take the 50 million Euros!

16 Jul 2013 10:24:21
Those of you who read the Spanish press and the Times this morning will know there is a story saying Real will offer Higuain plus cash for Suarez. Something like £10 million over 2-3 years.

An update from Spain is that Higuain's agent has indicated that Higuain will not agree because he wants CL football. Higuain isn't even convinced about moving to any English club because he wants to stay on the continent.

At the moment, Arsenal have the edge for Suarez with a bid of £35 million but even so, this is not likely to be accepted. First club to reach £40 million will have a deal.

16 Jul 2013 10:12:43
Eriksen will go to Dortmund.
Red fox.

16 Jul 2013 10:57:01
"OMG they're the new Spurs STEALING all our players, man they really should get their own scouts!"

Haha!

16 Jul 2013 11:48:46
They have as much right as anyone to bid on the players that Lfc go for. Interesting "our players" comment.

They just bough HM why on earth would they pay another big amount for him? lol

16 Jul 2013 09:47:10
Hey Eds, you said Bayern aren't looking to sell Shaqiri but maybe a loan would be possible. Do you think getting him on loan would be a good thing or would you rather the club went all out and hoped 20mn would be too much for Bayern to turn down. Do you think he's worth that much?
Also, rumors of Eriksen keep popping up but it seems in reality, we are actually not even looking at him. Who do you think the club is looking to sign in the coming weeks? Who in your opinion, are these first team players Brendan is looking at? Thanks and great work.
Dani. {Ed002's Note - I said there was discussion about a loan to another club, not Liverpool. I have no interest in commenting on his worth. I have explained about Eriksen.}

16 Jul 2013 09:44:13
it's saying on tv italia that Liverpool has asked after matri.kyb.

16 Jul 2013 09:22:42
Liverpool Have rejected Arsenal's Bid of 35 Mil for LS.

Also Liverpool are preparing bids, for players not many have discussed, but they would definitely improve our starting XI.

Right now Liverpool are looking at selling 5-6 Players, but also looking at who to replace them with.
Currently the market price of LS. Will decide a lot of what goes on in the next 2 weeks. Depends on who we buy, or if LS is convinced to Stay, Which is not out of the question, Liverpool have many options. They have a list of top 4 at positions they would like to fill.

** Next 2 weeks will determine if we are top 2, top 4, or Mid Table.

Hairy Yonk.

16 Jul 2013 13:00:05
Next two weeks?
I think you mean the next 42.
Whilst one or two players can make a difference, a good team is always more than the sum of it's parts

Alvy

16 Jul 2013 08:58:50
Benteke to Liverpool next week for 17miill plus downing and spearing.
Eriksson will be signed, along with shaqiri on loan for season.
If not shaqiri it will be a late bid for bernard

Out goings are coates - napoli
Reina -?
Pacheco - real sociedad.
Assaidi- galatasary

There is NO WAY Benteke is worth approx £25-28m.

Villa can keep him, he's not good enough for Lverpool; that's my opinion!

There are a ton of other available strikers for that price who are twice as good as Benteke.

It would be the Andy Carroll scenario all over again (The exception being Benteke will score a few more with a slightly less price tag)

SR (StrabaneRed)

16 Jul 2013 08:53:46
I honestly can't wait for the start of the season. all the transfer rumours will be over, all the whining will stop, and Liverpool can let the football do the talking. how long is it now, 30 days or something? going to be the longest 30 days of my life!

16 Jul 2013 09:42:52
maybe don't go into rumour sites like this and it won't be as long for you.Tommy Irish Red

16 Jul 2013 08:02:36
Liverpool will put a stop to the pointless offers from Arsenal for Suarez by suggesting a deal can be done if, and only if, Wilshire is included in the deal - which will never happen - No chance will he be sold to another English team.

He will go to Madrid - cash only - for between £35-40m -

16 Jul 2013 09:45:23
i don't think wilshire would come to us without cl.Tommy Irish Red

16 Jul 2013 05:17:57
Heads up Aussie Fans - LFC Asia tour television times (AET):

Saturday 20th July
Indonesia v LFC - 1125pm - ESPN (Foxtel)

Wednesday 24th July
Melbourne v LFC - 700pm - Channel 7(mate)

Sunday 28th July
Thailand v LFC - 845pm - ESPN (Foxtel)

Enjoy people!

Thanks mate. I was going to look that up. You saved me that effort. Cheers dude.

Andy K

Australia has a channel called mate? Quality!

I can't wait to watch the reds play at a normal hour!
Miss's hates me sneaking off to the casino in the middle of the night to catch games!
Thinks i'm cheating on her.

16 Jul 2013 04:44:57
Great news about Stevie G and a two year extension!

My favourite memory (and sms tone):

"Mellor. a lovely cushioned header for . GERRAAAAARD!! Ohhhhh ya beauty! What a hit son . what a hit"

Will never get sick of hearing it. Love ya Stevie! Good work LFC

Every once in a while, go on to you tube and search for Gerrard 168 goals and just sit back and watch that clip. Stevie has scored 50+ goals in his career of the type that most top players are lucky to get 5 of. He was and still is a once in a lifetime type of player.

16 Jul 2013 04:17:37
Hi Eds, Great site keep it up.
Have heard we may swap Suarez for Higuain plus cash. Is this possible and do you think he would fit into our style of play? Cheers in advance. Jay YNWA {Ed002's Note - We'll see.}

IM 75 perc sure this is happening/going to happen,
if we can get 15 --18 mill plus higuin let the boy go he's lost all my respect any how

Real value hog at 30m that's why arsenal haven't bid yet. We'll get get 12+ hig

16 Jul 2013 03:18:14
Being a world cup year many young talents will want to be playing regular football to ensure they book their place in Brazil for the World Cup 2014.

For this reason it would make sense for younger players to move to teams where they will play regularly in order to impress the international Management rather than warming the bench at clubs where the may not feature often.

Brendan Rodgers has shown he is willing to give every player a chance to prove themselves especially the youngsters. Therefore, Liverpool would be a great option for any young player who wishes to establish themselves in the footballing world.

If I were Brendan Rodgers I would be looking at Romelu Lukaku of Chelsea.
Although the player has said he would like to remain at chelsea I find it highly unlikely that this would be the case if another top class Striker was to arrive at Stamford Bridge this summer. At 20 years old he is a powerhouse of a striker and was one of the most impressive young talents in the premier league last season. 17 goals and 4 assists in the league is impressive for any player, but even more so at a club like West Brom.
Lukaku fits the 'Liverpool Transfer Policy' and would be a fantastic piece of business for the club if [or when] Suarez leaves and with Rodgers having a good relationship with Mourinho, maybe he could convince the Chelsea Manager to part with the Belgium International.

We would then have four very good attacking options up front.
Number 7 - Lukaku
Number 9 - Aspas
Number 15 - Sturridge
Number 29 - Borini

I would be extremely satisfied going into the new season with these four Strikers. Would you?

Red Rum {Ed002's Note - It won't happen as he wishes to stay, Chelsea don't want to sell, and Liverpool has not shown any interest.}

16 Jul 2013 12:27:57
You never mentioned a price either Red Rum but I saw one of the Eds mention a few days ago that he's rated at £30m. He does look a great player alright but ya I agree with Ed002 it's a non-runner.

16 Jul 2013 02:05:22
Hi EDS one quick question(s)
Have Bayern seriously put a 25m and swap a player( shaqiri ) on suarez?
Or have arsenal or madrid put in a 35m or 40m in for him.
And I have also seen that Madrid are willing to offer Higuain and 10m for him.
I think the Higuain is a bit far fetched. For some reason I do believe the Bayern rumour is true.
Can you please correct me if i'm Right or Wrong please thanks. {Ed002's Note - RTP. I have explained what I know.}

16 Jul 2013 01:04:07
Know it's the Mirror reporting it, and that they spew a load of rubbish, but on what planet would we turn down a swap deal for Higuain? His stats are fantastic and he has a much better attitude than Luis, I'd accept a straight swap! If the offer was genuinely on the table and we didn't run with it and at least try and make something happen I'd be astounded.

16 Jul 2013 09:38:07
coz. we don't play to that system of 4-4-2. and BR don't wanna push sturridge out wide.
we will not be buying any new striker.
we will be looking for players who can play in 2-3 different positions. especially in front 3. a LW or RW.
or an ACM

16 Jul 2013 00:25:26
I don't want us to sell Suarez. I simply don't believe Rodgers can replace him. Can anyone seriously see Eriksen, Bernard, Strootman, Sanchez, Shaqiri, Higuain ect signing for Liverpool? It isn't going to happen. Convince the little genius to stay and let's kick on with the season. Should be selling our poor players anyway and replacing them with better ones, not getting rid of our best players like Luis and Agger!

We've already replaced him, we just need to him leave in order to fill other positions in the squad

15 Jul 2013 23:51:53
Hi eds I guess the club have found there mole seen as there isn't to much activity around right now. Do u see anything popping up in the coming days or do u think we're in for quite a wait now? Cheers {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

15 Jul 2013 23:19:16
Sky Italy are reporting that Liverpool have made an enquiry for juventus' matri. Any truth in this Eds