Liverpool Banter Archive January 16 2014

16 Jan 2014 22:05:25
from what I know as regards all of this, reports say that LFC Salah and his agent HAVE agreed personal terms. The only part of the deal to finish is to agree on the fee. Whether that will happen or not I don't know. And I suppose at the minute no one does because no it has not been decided yet.

Thanks for the update.

16 Jan 2014 19:23:08
Hi eds thanks for keeping us all updated especially at this time of year with the window being open etc.
Just wondered if there would be any youth team players on the bench for the FA cup game against Bournemouth? If so who would be the most likely in your opinion?

Cheers

Henlow red

{Ed001's Note - I would expect Rossiter, other than that not sure.}

16 Jan 2014 20:31:48
Does this mean we get free doughnuts?

Dunno bout that, but dunkin donuts normally have cops in them, not The Kop having a dunkin donut in it!

16 Jan 2014 19:44:29
eds am I right in thinking that a season or 2 ago aly cissokho was rated as a 25 million pound player and was being considered by man city if true what happened to make him so cheap now

{Ed002's Note - No, I think someone was teasing you.}

Am sure I saw it on ssn if its not him who the hell am I on about

25mil is a bit extreme but he was rated quite high when he was in french league but then it is an easier league.

Not sure if it was quite that steep a price but at one time he was considered to be a big talent and worth a decent amount, however think playing in the French league along with playing in a successful Lyon side flattered his abilities somewhat. He was then replaced on the side by Bastos if memory serves correctly

Milan tried to sign Cissokho On 14 June 2009, Italian club Milan announced that the club had signed Cissokho, subject to medical, with a reported deal of €15 million. Cissokho underwent his medical on 16 June, but the very next day it was revealed that he had failed it.

Later that day, Cissokho declared he had passed a second medical he undertook, and that he had, subsequently, signed a pre-contract. In the meantime, Milan tried to re-negotiate the bid on a loan basis due to Cissokho's health concerns; as the parties failed to reach an agreement, Milan general manager, Adriano Galliani, subsequently announced the deal was cancelled.

On 18 July, French club Olympique Lyonnais announced that the club had reached an agreement with Porto for the transfer of Cissokho, in a deal which equaled Milan's €15 million bid. However, Porto remain eligible to receive 20% of the added value/differential value if Lyon sold him for a higher price. Cissokho successfully passed his medical and agreed to a five-year contract. He was presented to the media, along with fellow new signing Michel Bastos.

On 23 August 2012, Valencia CF announced on their official website they had completed a deal to sign Cissokho for the next four seasons for €5 million and €1 million variable and a portion of future transfer fee Valencia received.

It seems fifteen million euro's is the most Aly's ever been rated, in terms of value that clubs are willing, or not?, to pay up. I think he was mentioned for about £10 million two seasons ago, but went to Valencia for about half of that in the end. So it seems an inflated figure, even for City to pay.

That ollieston is how to answer a question

Definitely one of the worst players I have ever seen put on the red shirt.

How is he that bad Gooch? Fans need to give players a little time to settle, that lack of support helps no one - you are no 'supporter'.

16 Jan 2014 17:59:10
eds,
could balotelli be an option if we tried?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

16 Jan 2014 17:39:00
Southampton is not in "turmoil". They lost a big member of the team, but they're not going to hit the self destruct button and panic. I don't see why they should. I doubt any of their stars are moving in January.

16 Jan 2014 16:47:39
Ian ayre has come out and said vibrating after we signed a deal with dunkin donuts that we are now able to compete financially with the top teams in the league must be 1 hell of a deal

{Ed002's Note - They are the official foodstuffs provider to the manager.}

If that's correct Ed he's soon going to pile those lost pounds back on

{Ed002's Note - Not with the High and Mighty clothing deal - up to XXXXXL.}

Untrue Ed, as Mr Rodgers has clearly lost a significant amount of weight since coming to the club. I don't think he's dunked any donuts in a long time.

I want to be sponsored by dunkin :(. From what I read it's a relatively small deal. But, money is money.

No he said our revenue streams can more than compete with the top teams around the world I think we were still in the top 10 in world football last year or the year before the highest of any team not in the champions league at the time

If this is true and I can get dunking donuts at anfield then this is an even better signings then saurez! Love those donuts!

Ian rush tweeted "I thought the only donut called dunkan was the 1 that ran koptalk"

Quality

Judging by what I saw Monday, big Brendan is still on his health kick drive, he left Melwood for a least an hour & half on a run & was sweating like the proverbial pig & as red as our shirts on his return.

Unless of course he spent over an hour in the Deysbrook & 10 mins running.

Top man though, he signed as many autographs as you wanted.

17 Jan 2014 14:24:25
Funny how the fickle lot seem much more positive about donuts than players.

Had we been talking about a player there would without doubt we talk like "Who is this no name Duncan we signed? If we wouldn't have been cheap we'd have never missed out on Chris P. Kreeme." Followed by an Ed reply stating that we were never in for Kreeme.

16 Jan 2014 16:23:34
Hi fellow reds myself and 3 reds are traveling from Dublin to Liverpool for a game hopefully v sunderland at home 8th march can anyone recommend how to sort us tickets when we arrive over?

Go true tommas cook or else sign up with lfc website!

16 Jan 2014 15:49:28
BR has said in his statement they are looking to strengthen but no signings are imminent yet! Good news to me knew they wouldn't be early in jan, but the fact he's not ruling them out is food, as I don't think he would want to look stupid saying they are trying, then not bring anyone in!

16 Jan 2014 14:51:34
Not LFC related but well done Hull city!
Shane Long for reported £7M, that's a snip. I have always been impressed by long and always wondered what he would've done in one of the bigger clubs (with respect to Hull and West Brom). He will score a few goals for Hull, that's for sure.

No news of any new signings for us. Maybe Ibe and Rossiter could come into some games like Sterling did at the beginning.
Poor Saints, everyone's gathering like vultures after their best players. Sad!
YNWA

{Ed001's Note - but he can't score goals! He is just a slightly better version of Kevin Doyle or worse version of Dirk Kuyt. Runs around a lot but achieves very little.}

Ah come on ed001 he is a lot better than Doyle. He is Ireland's only hope for goals in the next euro qualifiers as keane is getting old. What we would give to have another Aldo ;-)

Ed001, you're being very harsh. on Dirk! He scored goals when played up front, and worked tirelessly on the right. which was needed badly with a latter day Torres and Riera/ Garcia in the team. He was also a scorer of important goals. unfortunately he couldn't play up front on his own.

As for Long, £7m is about double what he's worth!

{Ed001's Note - that is why I said he was a worse version of Kuyt, as Kuyt scored more.}

Eds, right. Last season he looked like he was going to progress well but he's gone backwards. He has 1 good game about every 2 months and doesn't score enough

16 Jan 2014 19:01:33
You know Aldo didn't score in his first 20 caps, right? Although I think that may have something to do with Big Sam's, sorry Big Jack's, brand of footie.

As for Long, he's not a player I rate. He hasn't got the footballing talent to do his physical abilities justice. So whilst he'll always be a handful, he, as the Ed has pointed out, isn't enough of a goal threat. The fact that he's battling with Stokes to be first choice for Ireland says more about Ireland's lack of options in attack than about Long's ability.

Our other options are:
Doyle, who's gone from scoring 13 PL goals in an injury hit season with a mid to low table club to not scoring three goals in League One.
Walters, who's not really much different from Long.
Keane who's old and playing Mickey Mouse footbal.
Conor Sammon. Enough said there.

16 Jan 2014 14:10:12
Just going to throw this out for everyone's views. With our current squad being a bit thin, and the academy starting to produce real talent, wouldn't it be wiser to spend a small amount on an older player who we could get a couple of seasons out of? This would give us time for the kids to progress to the standard required for the first team. Remember Gary Mac, someone like him who could just give us a couple of seasons. We all know that the funds are not in place to compete with the plastics and the Arabs, we have to shop wisely and build slowly. There are older pros around who could give us a bit of depth and provide a bit of experience for our younger players to learn from. Just a thought.

High wages and no resale value, makes this unattractive to club financiers

The first one that springs to mind is Xabi but I just can't see it, as Ed 2 eluded to Alonso has plenty of offers to choose from namely a spell in the states and who could blame him after everything he has accomplished in his career.
Or perhaps if Chelsea were to no long required Ashley Cole's services he could give us a season or two, all fantasy football stuff really.
But as tough as it to sign players in January even more so in a world cup year i'd be shocked if the transfer window didn't heat up in the last week or so and a couple of new players arrive.

Surely that is what Gerrard should be doing with the younger players.

It does not have to be a high profile player who is looking for massive wages. There are plenty of old pros who would jump at the chance to be involved with us. Out of contract, due out of contract etc. I remember when gary mac signed for us, it was a bolt out of the blue and look what he added to our team then. As I say, just throwing it out there.

I'd still take del Piero, even if it was a one off sub appearance. nostalgia if nothing else!

I can't think of that many who would do a job. jenas, dyer, guttusso, vanbommel, deco, aimar, riquelme? These are players 30+ who have experience and could come in to fill a gap I guess.
Maybe a player from the MLS?

Would love to see Del Piero too. If only

I've been thinking this for a while. Like fair enough toure isn't a world class cb but there is a sense of relief knowing he is there. He knows his stuff and I can see how it could help other positions. We could do well with a smart player in the middle who doesn't need to be fast but could dispatch the ball with accuracy and hold play for Suarez and the wingers runs. Pirlo would be perfect for this but it won't happen. So yeah I get what your saying but how many clubs are doing the same these days? Look at Xavi, pirlo, iniesta, xabi, gerrard, lampard and van Der vaart. They are reaching the proverbial hilltop waiting on the way down. There is a reason Ronaldo says scholes is the greatest player he has played with and it deserves respect and admiration. But also the acknowledgment that a generation of players is ending and a new one with a new style is on the way. On a side note why does autocorrect change pirlo to porno? Or is it just my phone.

Jenas & dyer in the same breath as deco & gatusso?

I was just rolling off a few names that popped in my head. Players that had played at a high level, that may be available, incidentally, I have never rated Gattusso myself, for me he's a thug on the football field, and that's it. Probably an ok fill in for Lucas once the yellow cards add up

{Ed002's Note - Do you think Deco will come out of retirement to play for Liverpool?}

17 Jan 2014 11:17:43
no Ed02, I was just throwing names out that were of an advanced age that were experienced and would be available.
Deco already proved he couldn't really hack the prem playing for chelsea in a great team, he still struggled.

{Ed002's Note - I really can't grasp why you would name a retired player, who now you say didn't "hack" the EPL although has a winners medal in relation to Liverpool.}

16 Jan 2014 13:19:04
Just heard that LFC won't sign anyone as they're scared of making top four and not knowing what to do after. LOL just kidding lads signing or none we will be better of than we were last season I hope. Salah or Gio Dos Santos along with Wijnaldum and I'd be a happy costumer.

Gio Dos Santos? Don't be daft.

Yep Gio Dos Santos who i'm guessing you have not watched all season or better yet a game that he's played in. He is improved beyond what he was in assist, goals and work rate as players can do if they desire successful careers. Hendo tries hard and as a result get game time at LFC even though he doesn't score goals he is an automatic. Gio is one of the best attackers in La Liga without apology and that's my view and you can check his stats if you disagree and also watch a match before talking rubbish will yah.

He is not cut out for the premier league he flopped the first time around and would flop again

Didn't flop' he wasn't given a run like Carroll got even though he was plain rubbish. At tottenham he got cameo's some of which he was brilliant.

I watched him at Tottenham and he was very poor - never adapted to the Premier league and, just because he is doing well in Spain, does not mean he could come back to England and do it. Massive gamble and just not worth it IMO.

I'm not typing that we should go out and buy Gio Dos Santos, I must be honest, I do rate the player, I know he may not have done well at Tottenham, let's be truthful, for whatever reason he played only 31 times in four seasons for them.

Since his time at Racing, he has been much improved. Gio managed to regain his confidence and was Mallorca's best player a season later, albeit they got relegated but then Villarreal who won promotion went straight in for him and he's been very good, Villarreal are currently fifth and Dos Santos has played 16 games, scored 8 goals and created 5 assists.

16 Jan 2014 12:07:18
It wouldn't be a transfer window without Farfan been link to Liverpool I suppose he'll be followed through the door by Torres and Aguero (not the chap from Man City either).
Good luck Eds with all the twitter updates over the next few weeks and don't let the vile abuse get you down when you dismiss them as nonsense.

16 Jan 2014 11:03:58
After reading many posts and reports over the last few weeks i've come to the conclusion that we are after Wing wizard Salah 10-12m and Fernando"the Octopuss", 6-8m in this window.

16 Jan 2014 09:18:54
eds do you no he we are interested in ricardo fishna of ajax he has apparently been offered t us and we are in pole position to sign badu

{Ed002's Note - He is looking for a new deal at Ajax when his contract runs out.}

16 Jan 2014 07:09:55
Hi Eds,

Iv seen Badu play a couple of times, most notebly against Arsenal. And he isn't a bad player, but i'm sure that he will only sit on the bench and not push Lucas for a Starting spot. maybe Allen, but not Lucas. I think if we do push for another Midfielder (defensive) then M'Villa would be a better shout but I think the obvious target should be Blaise Matuidi. he's a better player than Badu for sure. More experience. Are we seeing names crop up to forces peoples attention elsewhere? I.E LFC in for Badu when we are actually looking at Matuidi or Mvilla.

Also, I don't see Aspas having a future at LFC. Once Salah comes in then we should go in for Yarmalenko. Coutinho will get better and better and Hendo is having a terrific season. I admit I didn't see Hendo being here at the end of the season. I thought he would have another poor year. But he's been great.

Cant wait to see cissokho go back.
Interesting to see who we bring in at left bk more so than the other positions.

Cheers

"Are we seeing names crop up to forces peoples attention elsewhere? I.E LFC in for Badu when we are actually looking at Matuidi or Mvilla".

Ah, the old smokescreen tactic? Its a favourite of Liverpool's. This question really needs to be addressed directly to ed2 though who knows a lot about this age old transfer tactic.

16 Jan 2014 08:03:00
Lovren would be a huge improvement on Skrtel/Toure! Next to Sakho, it would be a great cb partnership for years to come - I wish!

15 Jan 2014 23:31:26
15 Jan 2014 19:05:31
Ed001, watch the youth FA cup at the moment. Are the youth teams trained to play in a similar manner to the main squad? If so would you say that the youth teams have improved since BR came in? Apologies is they're silly questions, but I've never look too much in to the youth squads. Except Rossiter anyone in tonights squad we should be watching for the future?

DanTD

{Ed001's Note - the club are trying to get every level playing the same way. Changes will take ten years or so before you see a real difference.}


Just got home from the game and seen this. Ed you are right, it takes about 10 years, but I see us half way through. We had 3 players tonight who I GUARANTEE will be in the first team regularly in 5 years, maybe less. The first team now has 20% that has come through the Academy, in 5 years I can see at least 60% if you don't count the keeper. We have the best youth coach in the country in Neil and when the changes are made at the Academy, expect old school, the owners have VERY good advisors and are impressed with the way Bayern are run with all their 'legends' all through the club. Not that we will sign anyone from there :)

Thanks ChiefScout for picking this up. Who were the three players then and what do you see in them? From what I saw besides the obvious (Rossiter) was Kent.

Rossiter, Smith, Wilson.