Liverpool Banter Archive January 16 2013

 

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16 Jan 2013 21:54:22
I believe Remy going to QPR could turn out to be very good deal for us as Newcastle missed on him nd transfer window has 2 weeks left I could see Newcastle getting desperate. .which could mean they may bid for Carroll with west ham looking way out of loan deal for Carroll. .no doubt Carroll is itching to go back home nd that money which I believe could be at most 15 mill could be used somewhere else or reserved for summer.

Harry Oldbury


Carroll can't go to newcastle this window. He has already played for 2 different clubs already this season.

BrisbaneLFC


Did he play for liverpool in the premiership?


He definitely came on as a sub against City as he had a fairly decent chance to snatch the game near the end.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:51:41
Rooneys penno could of killed someone! What was he thinking?


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:40:54
Just a little olive branch.

I've avoided posting much today because of the bile and vitriol bouncing about. This is because I'm as guilty as anyone of being reactionary. Whilst I think everyone knows where my opinions lie, I have to admit that ED02, Lyndon, Chris in Tamworth, Welshboydave and the rest have maintained far more decorum than I would have managed.

Nonetheless, We are all LFC fans (except Ed02!) and I think Waro and Ozone (and some others) have been backed a little bit into a corner, and have come out fighting. Waro has some pretty constructive banter when he concentrates on football instead of finance, but he, like some of the rest of us is getting too hung up on agendas that are secondary to what we all care about - LFC.

Any chance we all take a deep breath, show each other and the Eds the respect we all deserve, and get back to the important matters like 'whether FB/LS/DS is potentially the best front three in the league', or 'why did we start with Downing on Sunday?' .

Olive branch is there kids. Your call...

BigBadBen


Well said, BBB, lets just give the owners the benefit of the doubt as they have neither produced success or failure during their short tenure at the club. Put ownership issues and politics on the back-burner and get back to discussing the football

cozinoz


17 Jan 2013 00:14:57
Well said mate, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum & all that.

Kobi


Finances and moans about the owners every single day is tedious.
Would be great if they posted about something else for once.

MIKEY


I say group hug triple B!

Maybe we should buy Ed002 a Harvey Wallbanger each for putting up with us and wear matching attire.

LS/FB/DS (not as out and out wingers).

Sunday I think we were too concerned about the counter attack and it was uphill from there.

K79


Me likewise!

Not really covered myself in glory either!!

Same interest different views

Lyndon


Good move BigBadBen. Regretfully, nothing will change until they are proven right or wrong. They have an equal amount of passion on the "other" side as we have on this side, so reasoning or suggesting a middle path hardly ever works. That's the way it works... ra1969


FairPlay to you Ben, good post.

Ozone


Like it I'm more in Waro's corner.And come out vicious at times.But fact remains, and we SHOULD all remember it(stop with this"person", nonsense) we ALL want success for LFC!


17 Jan 2013 09:15:11
The way i see it, when you break it down we're just fighting over who loves the club the most!
Good post.

WelshBoyDave


Good post Ben.
I really haven't got too involved with the arguments with Ozone and Waro and, to be fair, that's possibly because I'm not convinced totally about the owners myself yet and what their intentions are. However I'm not prepared to slag them off yet as I can see what they have done for us.
Ozone and Waro are obviously intelligent people and like you I'd be interested to hear more of their views on what's going on with the team for a change

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:14:42
Here is my quick prediction...

Sneijder will end up at Spurs.

Redphil


They have got Dembele, Dempsey and Sigurdsson and have also now signed Lewis Holtby for next season. I very much doubt that they are in for Sneijder.


16 Jan 2013 23:53:28
Don't be silly. If we were interested, they would have signed him already.

Still thinking we should double bluff them by declaring interest in Heskey, Djemba Djemba, Bebe and Bramble.

Jolly Red


I agree, they have a history of coming in late and trying to do deals on the cheap

10m pounds is about their limit for buying and 70K in wages

they will do some sort of deal with inter at the death, where they just want to get wes off their books

5m sign on - 5m transfer and wages within their normal scope of information

he will think that he can get champs league next yeas as the arse and chelski look like they are going to be fumbling their way through the season leaving spurs with the opportunity to wrap up a spot


He probably will if we're interested in him...

jak


Anyone were interested in will end up at Spurs!(or Southampton) lol


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:12:22
I respect the views of the posters and editors who believe that Sneijder is not an option due to the wages and risks etc, but I genuinely believe there are moves being made to try and reach some kind of deal to bring the player to Anfield.

If it was up to me I would try and recoup our outlay on Coates to release the requisite funds for Sneijder's transfer fee.

Then in the summer try and raise 20 million from the sales of Downing, Henderson, Spearing and Gulacsi and move for Tello or Honda, Diame or Sissoko and Brede Hangeland (who is likely available on a free transfer in the summer).

I think that squad would definitely challenge for the top 4 at the very least with an outlay of 25 million or so in transfer fees.

I can see how wages might pose a problem but I don't think the above is totally unrealistic and am interested to know what other fans think.


And i would defiantly not let you anywhere near my money!


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:11:46
It makes me laugh when "supporters" on here say about Sturridge not getting a game even when The Spaniard was misfiring - Roman has made it quite clear that he wants this investment to work AT ALL COSTS! He is not ever going to accept that HIS purchase was a bit hasty and is not paying off as he expected, so Sturridge (and others) would never get a chance, regardless of how poorly he played. Hence the return of Rafa to try and wave a magic wand and reproduce the El Nino that we used to see terrorising ALL defences on a regular basis - I bet Vidic (who was being called world class again this weekend) still wakes up in cold sweats after what happened to him each time they came against one another. So stop slagging Sturridge off before he has a chance - even 2 goals in 2 games (1 in a lower leagues FA Cup Final, and 1 against our bitter enemies) still can't satisfy some of you.


fishyred


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:11:18
Starting to feel sorry for the eds with all this Sneijder talk. Some people either don't listen, like winding the eds up or are just straight up dumb. Anyway hats off to you boys for carrying on.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:05:03
was just keeping upto date on bbc text online updates for the nights football whilst also reading about media favouritism when the following came up on the bbc

YELLOW CARD - Man Utd 1-0 West Ham
Classic Paul Scholes. He's only been on a few minutes but he is in the book for a terrible challenge on Matty Taylor. We all laugh when it's Paul Scholes don't we? Shocking tackle though.

says it all really imagine it was one of our boys !

Ell


Exactly, Had that game on in the background earlier and was watching it for a couple of minutes not payin too much attention when Scholes did that tackle, commentators didn't even really mention it and I thought to myself, hang-on, if a certain uruguayan did that they'd be going mad, ha, it would of been a headline!

ah well, what can ya do

Kelly Red


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:30:35
Just look at West Ham now giving it a right go, see what happens when you pull your finger out?
Jud.


They did what we did in the second half and still lost?


Piles usually





kobi


16 Jan 2013 22:21:24
You still lose to Dowd and United?


United should have been out of sight, missing their chances, just like we have done. Hopefully we'll start taking them from now on !


You get beat 1-0.

DaveyBootle


Your'e missing the point, utd can be got at and beaten if teams just have a go from the off and not wait until its too late, utd were hanging on at times.


Living on their past and getting bailed out by RVP over and over again. On a slippery slope, hopefully we'll pass them as they descend.

ND


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:20:15
Greetings all,

I have put together a few bits of info from here and there to add a bit of reality to the debate on FSG.

I think a few folk need to be reminded of the dire state of our club when FSG took over.

BAD TIMES

*an incredible £60 million squandered on useless stadium designs.


*Liverpool's debt had reached shocking levels under the previous unwanted regime. Although there was "only" £123 million net debt in the football club, the full picture was revealed in the holding company where borrowings had grown to around £400 million. The good news is that this debt was largely eliminated after the change in ownership, though there is still £65m net debt, comprising £38 million bank loans and £30 million owed to UKSV Holdings less £3 million cash.

*In fact, Liverpool had consistently been making losses with only one profit reported in the football club in the last six years (2008, boosted by large player sales). Losses were even higher at the holding company level, after including all interest payable, amounting to a shocking £178 million in the four years before Hicks and Gillette exited stage left (2007 £33 million, 2008 £41 million, 2009 £55 million and 2010 £49 million).

* We were technically ( if not probably ) days from oblivion .......oblivion!!!!


BETTER TIMES

In the last two seasons, Liverpool have averaged a net spend in transfer fees of £33, 825,000. This season hasn't even ended, and LFC can still increase that average.

Compare that to other clubs that aren't in the Champions League: Tottenham have averaged a net profit of £13, 500,000 in transfer dealings the last couple of seasons, Newcastle £5,000,000; etc.

Nobody outside the Champions League Top Four comes close to LFC the last two seasons. The club's current position suggest that it hasn't been money well spent, but that's not ownership's fault.

The only Premier League clubs that have spent more than LFC in transfer fees the last couple of seasons are in the Champions League.

My 10 pence worth

My point is that I understand that any business entity usually works on at least a 3 year plan to try and break even often longer.FSG have given the club a future something we did not have at one point.We are making cuts and savings but the evidence is that we are using the saved resources to build .

Liverpool have not been the biggest club financially in the UK for a number of years and will never be again but are Borrusia Dortmund the biggest in Germany ?, are Barcalona the biggest in Spain?

I support FSG if they can take us from bankruptcy to stability in a few years .I want success, but not at any cost.

ps ED 002 and the rest you are doing a fine job and I hope you don't take too much notice of the nutjobs.

kobi


Great post Kobi, I think you should replace Ian Ayre

Kelly Red


Best post I've seen a long time


Fantastic post for all those FSG haters who are constantly saying buy this buy that usually aging on high wages, they have steadied a club who could have easily ended up like Leeds did and hopefully we will return to the Champions League soon. YNWA


Brilliant post my friend, pity waro and ozone still won't listen to fact, especially ozone who thinks fsg are out for world domination and to line their own pockets from liver pools assets. Don't get me wrong I like the banter with them, just a pity they talk a lot of bull.
Huddz red
P.s ozone that girl band thing made me laugh


Ed2 is this post accurate?

majestic69


Maybe Kobi is Ian Ayre???? Great post fella...
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:18:05
It seems like a strange comment Ian AYRE made about the possible signing of players over the age of 24.

Especially with the Sneijder rumours becoming more prominent.

Levans.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:10:12
Is it just me or when teams play Man Utd why do they all crumble? Watching the West Ham game right now and I'm remembering when we played West Ham and beat them but also remembering how they played, they were unlucky to lose against us but tonight they look like a pub team, loose touches, not reacting when the ball's there to be won and most of the team not having a clue what to do with the ball. I'm not bitter about the weekend, if a team deserves to beat us then fair play but I can't help but feel that a LOT of teams really don't give their all when they go to old trafford and I definitely feel it's a mental thing. We did the same thing at the weekend until we pulled our finger out, maybe its the media love in that they have with Man Utd and the domestic teams all fall for it. Watch Man Utd when they play Real Madrid because personally I don't rate them that highly at all, I know they're top of the league and what does that say about us blah blah blah but we're not in great shape either, I know that (our league isn't that great lads). Just annoys me when teams try so hard against us and then don't do anything against other sides.
Jud.


Completely agree! Man you really ain't that great they just know how to win games! It's crazy but the thing is they have kept the back none of Man you over the years where say Chelsea ain't.


It's always been the way mate, well, over the last 20 or so years anyway.
The amount of times I've seen smaller clubs surrender 3 points at Old Trafford before the game even kicks off is unbelievable.

Ha, sure remember the time Mick Mcarthy's Sunderland dropped 10 first team players in a match against United, he wasn't bothered to attempt or even try to give them a game and just focused on the match the week after. The majority of teams in EPL take this attitude when facing United.

Kelly Red


That's what happens when you build a fierce reputation, especially at home, it gives an advtantage from the first whistle. It's just a natural side effect of being so successful. Liverpool enjoyed the effect in the 70's/8o's, United are enjoying it now, as do City quite often. So no need to get bitter about it, it's a natural product of success.

Gav


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:08:50
Ahoy - there is no way that Rebecca can live 3 miles away from me at all times.

Using my house as a reference point, my parents live 18 miles away, work is 6 miles away - yet Rebecca is consistently 3 miles away.

Either she defies the laws of trigonometry or has a mobile home.

Old fish eyes never caused me this much bother bring her back please.

BOILED ONIONS


She can't only live 3 miles from you mate shes only 3 miles from me and i live in norfolk :-)


Never mind her, what's with them mad looking trainees ?
Who's going to turn up to a match in them, haha ?
Although you could probably run home after in about 2 minutes flat.


I live in Sweden and shes only 3 miles from me too


H you guys...proper jokers!


16 Jan 2013 23:10:01
Must be triplets with the same name one lives three miles from me too
redtilimdead


I live in Edinburgh and she lives 3 miles away from me. My conclusion is that she is huge and covers most of the country.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 21:03:04
I really hope we don't sign Inter's playmaking Dutchman. There are simply too many ways for people on here to get his name wrong. Some struggle with Riena, Skertel, Adams and Boroni so imagine how they'll f€*^ up Wesley's surname.

PieInTheSkyMan

WYNAW


Well that means you are screwed!
1/4 not bad LOL
Jamie...


16 Jan 2013 21:37:13
I even saw a Gerald at one point when someone was talking about our captain.


You mean 0/4 ha


Yh lol, realised after my post actually 0/4.
But I think he's taking the p$$s
My bad sorry.
Jamie...


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:50:39
Serious question to the fans: what is going on with LFC haircuts? Personally, I think BR has brought in a stylist from the circus. Between Agger, Sterling and Borini, I can't decide whose is more ridiculous. If only we could sign Fellaini....we'd have a proper roadshow!

Coop {Ed002's Note - Sterling's mum is doing the haircuts for the team. She specialises in the "dead cat".}


The haircuts of the now, stay in the past or move on.

Bruce Wayne


Classic ed2


Haha yeah mate Fellaini and blonde Ballotelli. Nice one Eds haha, I wish Sterling's mum would also feed him a bit more, he needs beefin up that boy

Kelly Red


Bruce, how many times have I told you Gothams not going to run its self


Haha, yeah Batman get off this site, get to work and go out and find Bane, he disguises himself as a balding Man United forward

Kelly Red


If you think LFC players haircuts are mental have a look at the Gooners team!

NS


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:44:40
I for one minute don't believe we'll sign Sneijder. He's been stubborn enough for 10 months with Inter over wages, so I'm sure he'll drag it on and try to get a monster package he so desperately craves.

I think that type of signing would benefit us greatly however, as we do lack a number 10 capable of fitting in with our style currently. Someone to hold the ball intelligently in the final third, draw players in, beat a man or two and play that killer ball.

Some may argue on Gerrard being that man, but he's not sophisticated enough in a BR system. He's can pick a great pass from any range, but really struggles not to stride forward and force the play, often misplacing 5 yard passes in crucial areas.

Shelvey for me is identical to Gerrard in his all action approach. This certainly may work against certain teams, but he's best suited for a slightly deeper almost box to box style, which we need at times, but it won't really benefit it us that greatly as an attacking force.

Suso could be that player. He cleverly slows things down, jinks past players with ease and picks intelligent passes. However it's a very challenging role, which takes years to develop and his inexperience does show all too often. He needs more guile to his game, which will come with time.

I imagine it'll be a summer signing that we aim quite a lot of money towards. Some may feel an Erickson unrealistic, but we may have an outside shot. Isco may be another, although Chelsea's plan to play a 4-6-0 Spain formation may lure him in. Ed02 has mentioned Inan, who would come with great experience and seems an interesting choice. Others like Honda would work, but seems like ship has sailed.

I harp on about this a lot, but I just think it's such a crucial position for us. Not only would it make us a lot more complete in an attacking sense. Making us more incisive, unpredictable and effective overall. It will also possibly help us defensively, in the sense that a 10, shouldn't lose the ball in the final third leaving us susceptible to a swift counter, as we've seen so often this year.

Papa G


OK, I only read like the first two paragraphs because I'm lazy, but from what Sneijder himself has said his want to leave doesn't hinge on money but that he feels mistreated after how he has served the club. He is being rushed into decisions which he needs to consider and would move with a wage cut to another team if the fit was right.

Clearly there is some issue over wages but it seems like he would rather go to a Premiership team and play football in one the best leagues in the world than play for someone like Gala and earn more.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:42:30
Sorry this doesn't involve Sneijer

Does anyone think if BR keeps on about thin squad FSG will make a move for Wenger in the Summer ?

Wenger fits the FSG model.

Hates to spend money, brings on young players and sells for profit to bigger teams so they can win titles. Like FSG want to do with all this sell on value... why? Unless you want to sell and only top teams can afford right.

Also Wenger hasn't won anything for years with this model.

Will FSG pounce?


Why would they? You haven't explained why the hell they would want a manager that hasn't won anything for years.. Unless you call him saying we've got a thin squad (we have a thin squad) the reason although I'm sure they know this anyway!?

London red


Is that you Ozone?

BigBadBen


No, you are quite right. What we should be doing is spending money that we don't have on players at their peak price and then sell them for less when they are no good anymore. That is a super plan.

Andy K


BR keeps mentioning a thin squad, so requires funds to buy more. Because he keeps saying this FSG may run out of excuses. You know the ones. This is going to be a big window for us, we have targets, money no object etc etc etc And sign no one.

With Wenger FSG can continue this and it'll be Wengers fault we're not spending (see Arsenal)

Wenger can bring on the kids, so we can sell at a profit and feed bigger clubs, so they can win titles. He's done it for years at Arsenal.

This is the FSG model, resale value, buy young do all the hard work, once they're top players poised to win something ...sell 'em.

Hope this clarifies why FSG may move for Wenger this summer (in time for another pointless window)


Andy K. Why not do a little research for yourself, rather then have everything spoon fed.

Google the prize money for Premierleague placement. The Standard Charter deal, The Warrior sport kit deal, the TV money share LFC get. Both shirt deals the BIGGEST in english football.

While you are adding these amounts, check the sales figures for merchandise around the globe (LFC are 4th highest income from global market) Add some of those player sales (Torres £50mil for a starter)

Look at the ground income year by year consistant top 5

We've won a couple of cups that does bring in cash you know.

Yet we seem to have a similar budget to small mid table team. But are expected to be challengers, CL top four placement.

FSG are telling us we are to become a feeder for bigger teams, buying young prospects, coaching and once worth a healthy profit..sell. Take a little look at what a £28mil 29yr old finished article will bring you RVP.

We'll be like Arsenal, winning nothing producing players for the highest bidders, Chelsea, RM, Barca and Man City etc etc under this FSG model


I appreciate the spoon feeding. While we are at the research, how is our P & L? We can bring in as much money as we like, if we are spending more, we are going backwards. Or we can decrease our costs and increase our income and bring ourselves closer to the black. And then with the same discipline a profit or greater spending capability. And so on and so on.

Andy K


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:33:14
Hi ynwa !
Just a quick question, weather or not we believe the Dutch mans arrival is true or not only time will tell !
However it seams that most other teams seam to be able to get quality players for lower sums, this alarms me as we always seam to have to pay over the top!
If remi is worth 8ish million, and we pay 12ish for sturridge, you could draw the conclusion that they are of similar standards !
Could you shed some light on this subject ?
Walk on !! {Ed002's Note - Loic Remy has been poor for a year and struggling to get in the Marseille side. Sturridge has two goals in two appearances. Sorry you are so disappointed.}


I agree with the post, shame ED002 couldn't give a more interesting reply.

Sturridge has done well so far, he will be an awesome signing (Ihope anyway)

Its a shame your question was just brushed off. Remy had a naff season. But Sturridge struggled to get regular games at Chelsea even when Torres was doing nothing. so your comparison was fair. £4mil difference but Remy looks more complete.

But in a proper reply to your question. It does seem odd that we always pay way more than a players worth. The cost of Carroll, Allen, Henderson, Adam and Borini. We also sell players a lot cheaper then expected. Adam, Babbel, Kuyt and Merieles

We've had some hits, Enrique and Suarez are good/fair prices and of course the Torres sale. But these are rare for LFC.

Also seems odd that we can spend £19mil on Downing and £15mil on Allen but in the same naff Ian Ayre smokescreen about buying young and English talent, sell on value to feed top teams and what BR wants etc we cannot seems to stump up the extra £1mil or so to buy Ince. No move made for Holtby or Diakite(free/bosman) Sissoko (bosman), Mirin. Yet all this money is available..honest it is.


I'm gobsmacked an "Lfc fan" is comparing the cost & value of loc Remy against our Daniel sturridge.

2 goals in 2 games & we get a negative post like that, it's embarrassing at times on here.

Jimbob


We sell players cheap because they fail and are on massive wages. As the only way is down the price is low to allow smaller clubs to be able to agree wages after we compensate the player for the wages he'll now lose by not making it through to the end of their contract. Surely not too difficult a concept to grasp. When we have a player who has succeeded we've usually made money on them. Torres, Alonso and Mascherano for example. They should teach this stuff at school. Football Finance For Dummies.

PieInTheSkyMan


16 Jan 2013 21:52:24
Remy is rubbish, Sturridge is going to be class. Theres the difference.


'Sell on value to feed top teams'
Youre just making stuff up now. Who are you on about? Spearing? Amoo?


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:26:27
Hi guys,

A bit of a debate for you. How do you think is the best Central defender the club has ever seen? Eds you can join in if you have the time.

We have had some greats, Yates, Crazy Horse, Hyypia, Carragher, Hansen to name but a few.

I would go for Emlyn Hughes (Crazy Horse) for those of you who are too young! I think this guy had everything & was pure class

Cheers

Crooky
YNWA


If you ignore his pundit persona which is difficult I admit, & judge him purely as a player mark lawrenson was world class, Alan Hansen edges it for me though, it is a tough one considering Sami carra emlyn Hughes smith Gillespie Thompson were all class & always thought it a shame we never got to see the best of Marcus babbel a really good defender...
Paisley's genius


Crazy horse was a fantastic player as well as Hansen carra ablett staunton hyppia Yates smith I could go on all night but you get the picture


Mmmmmm.... good one mate

for me

crazy horse for pure inspiration and his ability to motivate and lead .....

Hansen was easily the best footballer but his team gave him the space and time to look awesome .....

Sammi well what can I say he was easily the scariest looking player ever( Dowie excluded) but his reading of the game his all round natural ability to defend and the fact he taught Stefan Henchoz how the play football at the same time makes him my choice.

kobi


Hansen or Lawrenson. Both oozed class but had a winning mentality. They made defending look effortless.

PieInTheSkyMan


16 Jan 2013 21:54:10
Phil Babb.


Carragher,


Niel Ruddock!

davethebutcher


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:31:47
Mohammed diame would have been a awesome signing big loss for liverpool :-/

Basy


Dont say that the daglish haters will be out


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:25:30
Sign diame now before someone else does. The man is a machine..Monaghanred


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:21:51
What ever happens this window I think we will be much stronger this next half of the season


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:20:47
Hi Eds,

I am interested to know if Liverpool ever tried to get the likes of Pele, Maradona, Best, Moore?

I know you are all spring chickens (lol) so may not know but I am curious if they ever tried for any of the superstars (I know we have had our fair share) of world football?

Thanks Eds, however if you don't have the time no worries.

Crooky
YNWA


Politest post of the day.

Good effort Crooky.

JFT 96

JP


After such a polite text I think the Eds were shocked in2 not replying, compared to usual hostilities from posters.

Jimbob


Pretty sure we atempted to get Maradona or nearly signed him


16 Jan 2013 21:46:17
We very nearly signed Michael Laudrup in 1982 but we offered him three years and he wanted four then ended up at Juventus.

Mikehoopersgloves.


16 Jan 2013 21:48:21
Sheffield united tried to sign Maradonna when he was 15 but offered £100,000 and it was turned down - true story.


I heard they were close to signing Michael Laudrup in the early eighties but something went wrong and he went to Juve instead. Pity, Fabulous player.

Mantis {Ed007's Note - Does Charlie Nicholas count.....


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:12:06
The Spirit of Shankly! Lol

The Socialist/ anarchist Brotherhood

Now the mines are closed along the docks
Boredoms set in along with one of the brothers pop career a mere memory.

Like wealth to be spread equally to the masses. Except when then want Multi-Millionaires who they "hate" to invest 100s of millions in a football club

Karl Marx would be proud of you lads?

Please go away and leave the club to prosper

LYNDON

----------------------------------------------------------

The handbags and the glad rags that your poor old grandfather had to sweat to buy you! Read between the lines Lyndon.

Ozone


Get the Lyrics right at least!

GrandDAD.

Your having a bad day can't even take the Piss
Properly Doh!!


Lyndon


You sound like children even worse you sound like hicks and gillette


Don't split hairs kid, you get the drift.

Ozone


Point taken!

Lyndon


Ozone, maybe you and friends should take your issues to the F.A. Without Rule 34. all the rest is meaningless.

FSG are not to blame for Rule 34 being bypassed and then basically left toothless by the F.A. We could and did have far worse owners.

Waro, I have read An Epic Swindle but fail to see how that ownership model is similar to this in any way except that they are American (and a little Canadian) businessmen.

If your voices are that of SoS, (especially you ozone) I am shocked and have lost a lot of respect for them, why run the club you supposedly love down?

Or is it more to the point that without this platform some of the people who made names for themselves become the same ordinary Joe's they were before? Kinda perverse if you ask me.

I do not wish to put words in Ed002's mouth but I think what we will find come April is that our club is in far better shape than it has been in a long time.

Whatever FSG decide to do I feel they have put us on a solid foundation for the future and far in advance of where they found us.

K79


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:11:42
Give the boys a chance give the manager a chance and watch the best young crop of players turn liverpool into the team everyone fears to play, I really do believe that liverpool at this moment in time has the best quality youngsters coming through that years ago the macs had coming through and Brendon can give them the guidance needed to move this club forward again, how about we get behind the players and staff who are there now and show them that this club has and always will have great support.


What about chelsea s youngsters our don't compare


I don't see any Chelsea youngsters that compare to ours they all get loaned out and never seen again, ours will get chances and mature the liverpool way, suso is pure class if allowed to play just behind the front players really has got an eye for a pass, sterling already proving to add something different to the team, borini his movement is excellent something people keep missing in his play! Wisdom has years to mature but strong and powerful and reads game well maybe cb best suited, Kelly who I believe could keep right back for years to come if stays injury free, ibe looks a great prospect and has a bigger build than sterling which I think would be better than signing ince, mcloughlin sorry wrong spelling not seen much but the eds really rate him, yesil another outstanding young player with awesome finishing qualities, Wilson still not sure myself but borrel really likes him, coady a very good holding player, Coates needs games but could offer this club a lot in the future, Flanagan played first team and handles it fine every time when asked, we really have got a talented young team, I don't see any other team with this sort of talent ready to come through, Chelsea have some young players who they paid silly amounts of money for but no real academy players who you would class as first team players in a few years time. What do you lot think great to hear your views?


Didn't our youngsters hammer Chelsea's youngsters not so long ago


16 Jan 2013 23:27:05
good post, the under 21s are unbeaten this season, have watched them a few times. another couple of players to watch out for are texeira, brad Smith, Jack robinson and young Jerome Sinclair.

jir63


Cheers jir63 I think in a couple of years time with good traing advice and the experienced players this team will gel and go on and win a lot of competitions.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 20:00:13
Snider to liver got to be said as no one else has fit both parties I think world class 10 we need one make it work liverpool give us all a boost we need (also he awsome on fifa lol)


 

 

16 Jan 2013 19:42:07
Hi Eds. If we work on the basis that we could and would do the 8 million fee for Sneijder what do you believe we could realistically put afford to put forward as a package. Also seem to remember Ed002 saying he was overrated but surely you would agree that he would enhance our starting 11?

Jason {Ed052's Note - I dont think a suitable package between the two parties would be possible financially. I am sure he would add something, but I struggle to see where he would play. Would he fit in?}


He would play as the front mid out of the three so say gerrard and lucas and snijder in front and he would bring alot the link we need from deep to the forward line witch we have been missing and would be an excellent signing but is he in are reach dout it but be nice

mike


He would play exactly as he played for Inter and the Dutch in 2010, behind a front 3 and ahead of more defensive minded midfield 2.

Seems to me that Rodgers has been trying to find the correct 3 man combination in the midfield since this season began, and what appears to now be settled on is a 2-1, with Lucas and Gerrard as the 2 and playing Allen/Hendo/Jonjo as the 1 with Hendo having a lot of success with his Running and pressing. Allen, on past seasons has the energy/pace/passing to play this role too but appears burnt out at the moment. Jonjo has the energy and attacking instincts but is still too raw.

Just seems to me that an experienced head like Sneijder would fit right in there behind a fluid front 3 from Suarez/Studge/Borini/Sterling and in front of 2 from Gerrard/Lucas/Allen, with Gerrard/Hendo/Jonjo/Allen being options to rotate Sneijder from that spot.

When Sneijder played for Mourinho at Inter in 2010 he worked his socks off, pressed hard, was in constant motion and providing a link to the midfield and a source for the forwards.

SpudRed


Hi Ed052. Best guess would see him as the more attacking midfielder with Lucas and Stevie behind him. Would give Allen time to bed in and Shelvey or Suso time to grow into that role over next 18 months. On a 3 year deal 8 million fee, 3 million signing on fee and 200k a week it would be a 40 million investment but could we get his quality for any less, I doubt it.

Jason {Ed052's Note - for 40 million, I would prefere to spen our money elsewhere tbh. I think you are right however, that a player of his type would play in midfield, but be the one who goes forward and does less traking back.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 19:42:00
Hi Eds
hope you guys are having a better start to the year than i am . Best of luck mates.

Just wondering here, im watching the Swansea game, and i wanted to know if the fans complain as much as our fans about the back passes, or do they have a more educated indepth of understanding the style of play and why the ball is passed back ?

Thanks guys.

Ciah


I have a season ticket at the Liberty and I can assure you that no-one complains about the swans style of play.


Arsenal v Swansea reminds me of Painting by Numbers


 

 

16 Jan 2013 19:34:06
Hi eds just a quick question really

How's that young Brazilian striker we were ment to looking at alot in the summer getting on? And does interest remain?

His name escapes me atm but i think i remember he was 16-18 playing in the second division of Brazil.

Keep up the good work and please answer because trying to remember his name is driving me nuts lol. {Ed052's Note - Bernard?}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 19:28:02
Sneijder "All players on the move in this transfer window must decide what to do and where to go by the end of January. I'll do the same, " Sneijder told Gazzetta. "I am in no hurry and I don't want to rush this decision."

"After what has happened in the last few months, in the context of having made football history with my team-mates, well, I don't want to feel pressured, " he added.

"After what I did, I don't want to feel this way - practically obliged to make such an important step in my life in a short space of time. It's not a money matter.

ibt-uk.


r-r


He sounds like a diva.


"After what I did -- making football history -- I don't want to feel this way, baby. I want to feel adored. Someday, you will read about me in your football history books. Chapter One will be called 'How Wesley Made Football History (with some help from his teammates, but not much).'"


Isn't that what moyes said about Suarez...lol


 

 

16 Jan 2013 19:15:17
No lfc related.

Just sad to see the demise of Michael Johnson, the lad had great promise for club & country, just a real shame.

Hope our young bucks watch and learn.

Jimbob


Yeah very sad.. Was supposed to be the next big thing.. What I found most sad was that he is only 23 and said he'd like privacy to live the rest of his life.. He has talent and it is a great shame not to use it.. He should try and get back as it would probably help with his off field issues..


It could be worse - we almost signed him


He had a lot of potential really good player, I think a lot of them do not get the correct guidance & think agents fill their heads telling them you should be getting this & that you're the next big thing, I know the players are well paid but sone are just unprepared for it all most 17 years old think they know it all in all walks of life, football seems more unforgiving at times, like anybody they need time to mature ideally with the right guidance...y.n.w.a jft96
Paisley's genius


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:54:48
Not Liverpool related but it does effect us indirectly. Pep Guardiola has agreed to manage Bayern Munich, so not to Chelsea or Man City.
Scouse_Pride


Guardiola a pure football loving man. he is when he player and when he as a manager not money graber.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:50:37
Right Ed's, I'm relatively new to the site but in silly season I'm on here 20 times a day. What I would like to know is what are your backgrounds and how did this site come about? Are you all tucked away in a plush office somewhere or Ed002's front room. Also Ed052 is the highest number I've seen are the other 50 down the job centre or running the other clubs sites? {Ed052's Note - We all live with Ed002 yes.. No not really. We are all normal people, normal lives and we all run the sites. I'm not the highest number, there are Ed's with higher numbers. There must be about 100 or more sites, so plenty of Ed's to ed them all.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:45:46
I really think we can get sneijder! He would be one hell of signing. The only problem is that I think BR wants eriksen in the summer.


I also think he wants eriksen in summer

question is will he get him?

tom1975


I agree with you i also believe he wants erikson, although sneijder can also play the allen/sahin role.
erikson would be more attacking like gerrard when he was younger


I think he wants Messi and Ronaldo in the summer ... and Butland

Roy


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:39:14
No one has asked the vital question....What managers will we be looking at in the summer.

I doubt Pep or Jose, and Klopp would be unlikely but does anyone think they can second guess were FSG will be looking?

Would love to hear your opinions {Ed052's Note - Why will FSG be looking for a manager?! Thats the question, not who will they be looking at}


I think Rafa will be looking at the back of the head of the guy in front at the local Job Centre!


I've said before. Rafa will get Madrid job next season as Jose will move on. Couldn't care less where he goes! Rafa will then get sacked after two seasons, and will end up as our next manager, if BR doesn't deliver.


Either way pep is going to bayern
AnfieldUSA


BR won't deliver! All talk and no skills to back it up. Bit like Ayre


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:29:53
I think a lot of people may disagree with my opinion but I wanted to give my two cents on the clubs transfers at the moment.

For me, Liverpool's decline (from 2008/2009 2nd place finish) stems largely from the loss of Xabi Alonso. I know a million other things have happened at the club since that, especially in terms of finances, but I think a lot of Liverpool fans and perhaps the management didn't realise exactly how integral to the side Xabi was.

Rodger's style of play relies heavily on the possession and distribution of midfield. In Lucas and Gerrard, you have two players who can play in these roles and return Liverpool to Champions League football. The problem comes in the third corner of the midfield triangle.

I feel Joe Allen is a very, very dangerous player to have, simply because he could continue playing at the standard he is (I feel not offering a great deal to the side) and be first choice for years to come due to his standing with the manager; what he has displayed so far just hasn't been good enough to get Liverpool into the top four. He may improve and prove me wrong but at the moment, he doesn't seem ready. Shelvey and Henderson both show signs of moving to that next level but they need time and like Allen, aren't of the standard to help the side progress right now.

I would put everything I have ever owned on Liverpool not signing Wesley Sneijder. BUT for me, Liverpool have been chasing the ghost of Alonso since the minute he walked out of Anfield.

I rate Sneijder's passing ability up there with Alonso as well as offering a lot in attack from midfield which Liverpool have struggled with in recent years.

Sneijder would complete Liverpool's midfield for a couple of seasons at least, by which time Shelvey/Henderson/Allen could be ready to step into the breach. He would bring back what Alonso took with him and return Liverpool to a standard close to what they possessed at their height under Benitez. He would be, for me, as bigger signing as Suarez.

Liverpool have a recent history of overspending for average players. Sneijder is a proven European and World player. He is the marquee signing Liverpool are crying out for. His wage demands are ridiculous and the clubs new stance in terms of finances is completely understandable and healthy for the club, but if a package could be agreed, he would take Liverpool to the next level and in a position to contend again. If he dropped his wage demands to prove he wanted to play for Liverpool for footballing reasons and not Gala for financial, he would be a sensation in Liverpool.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:22:40
I have been coming onto this forum for a long time now and have always enjoyed finding out about possible transfers and general info, and also to have a giggle about the fantasy transfers, ie Messi spotted in town said he was signing tomorrow on a free and a life supply of jelly babies......

After reading some of the posts today from those sos numpties waro, ozone and co, I have one thing to say "Get a life" rattling on about their hatred for fsg and anyone else at the club who has upset them this week. If you feel so strongly write a letter to LFC explaining your thoughts so that I don't have to constantly read your negative and vicious drivel.

I'm sure if you did you would probably get the same response orthey would file it for future reference in the shredder.

IMH


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:20:45
Not sure if there is any controversy behind it but really hope Michael Johnson is ok an gets the help he needs to live out the rest of his life in peace, he was a fantastic prospect.

Square tomato {E


Was there meant to be an "eds note"?

Square tomato {Ed052's Note - Probably Ed002 getting over excited again}


Totally agree mate. Good luck to him whatever he does.

davethebutcher


 

 

16 Jan 2013 18:18:00
Eds, have we any hope of isco what so ever. just need a spark from midfield. lacking this in first half at ot.

B O H {Ed052's Note - Not much hope no}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:17:27
Hi Eds,

Do you think Ryan McLaughlin is more of a goal threat going forward than Andre Wisdom? Can you see Wisdom being played at center back in the future?

Thanks

Thatracoonstolemybacon {Ed052's Note - Yes and yes. Both will be very good players, but I can see Wisdom going back to CB, with Kelly at right back and Robinson at left back. And thats what I cna see in the very neat future tbh}


Then where do you think McLaughlin will be Ed?

do you mean

McLaughlin at right back, Kelly and Wisdom centre back and robinson left back? {Ed052's Note - Reserve/rotation. Or Kelly back to CB. But I cannot see him moving back to CB tbh, I think that he will stay at RB}


McLaughlin Kelly Wisdom Robinson


Thanks, do you see Kelly being better than McLaughlin?


McAlves just turned 18, I think. He's still a child.
I could, however, see him getting a run out in cups as a right side inside forward much like the role Enrique played on the left for a few games to much success.

SpudRed


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:53:04
#sneijdertolfc is trending on twitter. People are begging for FSG to have a change in policy just for this one player.


He is a classy midfielder. we miss one in midfield. sneijder, kaka they can make huge impact in midfield and score goal too. Gerarrd have to thik defance they are not. so yes one player can make a big deal.


Yeah right like fsg will stump up the wages he would want. won't be signing players of that class for a while.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:47:58
Damn, I've a feeling that with Pep signing a 3 year contract with Munich it means he'll be taking over the ropes at United cause Taggart stated he's going to retire in about 3 years.

I was looking forward to Red Nose's retirement and United's reign of terror being over.

(Ah well it doesnt matter, in 3 years our man Brendan will be known as one of the best managers in the world anyway, ha, optimistic I know, but ya have to be as a Liverpool fan

Kelly Red


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:33:59
Just to add to the FSG "debate"

I think they are well aware that their business is dependant on 2 types of customers
- the local and global fans (not just the 44k that fill the stadium each week)
- the corporate sponsors (big global brands not a advertising board sponsored by the local hardware store as was 30 yrs ago)

They are also aware that the revenues brought in by these customers is dependant own how good their product is
I.e the success of the team (top 4 / CL / cup wins)

Our history can only take us so far in continuing to grow the fan base but Liverpool as a city only has a population of 500k
So more emphasis will be placed on growing the globlal fan base and ensuring the kids in future generations follow LFC not the other EPL or European or even US teams

I am sure FSG are well aware of this

And they know the club cannot wait 5 years for us to make top 4

On the other hand The customers are entitled to voice their dissatisfaction with the product they are consuming

When people say if you don't like it go and support Club x
It is not clever and funny because if this really did happen with current and future generations it will be the demise of our club.

Leam Red


I've got to say this post and the one by Dave I think!) from a day or two ago have been the finest of the year IMO.

Hats off Leam Red, some much needed perspective.

The Doctor46


Leam Red, Well said/posted ..Agree on all apart from the consuming bit :)
And would rather use words such as fans, instead of customers ..lets hang on to the few threads that are left of football being a sport rather than business.

Roy


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:19:07
Quite alot of sniping and criticism about the Spirit of Shankley Group since I posted earlier, and I have noticed one remark about Shanks would not be happy to be associated with S.O.S. Well I have come across this quote.
" My grandad had a dream for Liverpol Football Club, Spirit of Shankly are helping to keep that dream alive. I speak on behalf of the Shankly family when I say that we are wholeheartedly behind the Spirit of Shankly supporters union.

Karen Gill.....Bill Shankly's grandaughter.

Waro


You just don't get it do you!

The Large amount come on here for a bit of banter and talk about the club

You and your tiny minority are pointless
Most people aren't interested in your PROPAGANDA!!

Lyndon


People have a right to disagree with the SOS group.
Whether they claim to speak on behalf of Shankly or not.

News flash: Shankly made mistakes too.


I don't really care about your opinion Lyndon after some of the stuff you have posted on here today. I don't want you to reply to anything I post in future.

Waro


Waro, no one values your opinion apart from your lover boy Ozone so I'm struggling to find a reason for your existence at the moment.

J-L


Whats wrong with a different oppinion lyndon is it just because its not yours you slate people all the time you also make out you never slate yet have been on a kid just turned 18 (sterling) for a while now you always bring the bet you havnt been to anfield shout out they might have a season ticket or been more than you and if they havnt so what were all supporters in our own right you seem to just say what the eds say so basically your posts are pointless as the eds have already said them (worded diff) best thing is your life would be pointless without the minority


I'm interested tbf.

I'm not saying I agree with everything, but I'm interested. All about opinions Lyndon.

What I can't stand is bickering and arguing over OUR club.

Waro & Ozone etc, although a little pedantic, get slaughtered for THEIR opinions. I like to read them, but I don't necessarily agree.

I'm kinda sitting on the fence, because our club has been mismanaged for a LONG, long time. I'm not going to be naive and expect miracles from FSG.

These are our owners, let them prove they are the right fit eh?

See where we are Summer 2013... I might have something to add re them then.

Lee YNWA


Fair Dues
Lee

Lyndon


Well said Lee


Waro

The way you spoke to the eds this morning
I have no desire to converse with You

Lyndon


To be clear, I'm not saying Waro or Ozone or even SoS are responsible for the acts stated below.

But my problem comes when people take it too far and start threatening the wife of the clubs owner. Those people are saying a lot of the same things with just as much venom as what Waro and Ozone say.

You have to imagine those persons started out reading stuff that paints FSG as evil and out to destroy our club. And they haven't the sense to go find out the whole truth or even allow for any kind of counter discussion.

SpudRed


Thanks for that Lee. Me and Waro clearly harbour the same concerns about the ownership of our club. We maybe right, there again we maybe wide of the mark. Upon reflection of Werners and Henry's history in sports ownership, I would argue our opinions are not without foundation. The fact you have acknowledged some of our posts would suggest that you feel there maybe some substance in some of the things we have to say.

Lyndon, shouldn't you be chairing a meeting at the conservative club?

Ozone


Very disillusioned with this site recently, I come here to read about TRANSFER RUMOURS but end up being subjected to trolling through endless tripe of how bad our players are, our owners are penny pinching and endless whining!! I thought we were supposed to be the greatest supporters worldwide I just can't read anymore posts from Waro & Ozone I respect their opinion but it's not really transfer news! Surely it's about patience & time BR hasn't been in the job 2 mins, FSG want/need us to be successful, we just all need to pull together........rant over!

Eds keep up great work, don't forget your Prozac every morning before you log on!

CoolhandLFC


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:26:25
Pep off to manage Bayern Munich.
Anyone feel sorry for Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Man U.
Thankfully we have BR. {Ed052's Note - poor Abromovich. Gettit?}


Ed052
I think Chelsea (i.e. Roman) have shot themself in the foot. Pep went to Bayern for stability, football reasons, historical club. Money has its limits sometimes. aklfc {Ed052's Note - it does yes. It will be very interesting to see what Pep can do there.}


I wonder how he will play tika taka football with such a direct team? I think he'll be raiding Barca with any money he does get DBol


What if Rafa goes to Real Madrid. Which manager wants to earn some easy money at Chelsea? aklfc


Id say he will do well with two thirds of the german national side playing there and the ability to buy the other third, bayern probably the best run club around


Perhaps he'll face the same trials as BR. Having to prove his skill and guile without an endless supply of funds. Lets hope he's given time as well. And if he does well let's hope he stays over there!


Pep - Munich
Rafa - Madrid
Jose - M.Cty
Jochiam Low - Chelsea
SSN - Liverpool


In answer to OP. No


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:25:27
Eds do you know anything about Andraz Sporar the 18 year old Slovenian forward who has delcared his ambition to earn a move to Liverpool at some stage in his career, (reports .)

He has scored seven goals in 20 appearances so far this season, which has seen him rise to the top of the Slovenian goalscoring charts. {Ed052's Note - I only know he says he wants to come to us}


Honda, Turan both say they want join us we miss the chance .


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:21:21
Waro and Ozone are so pessimistic, that if there was an Olympics for pessimism ... they wouldn't fancy their chances

Chris in Tamworth


Ha ha, i know. i bet if they smiled their faces would crack and break into little pieces.
huddz red


16 Jan 2013 18:52:32
LMFAO.
Good one :)

WelshBoyDave


Yes good one Chris, great joke pal, you'll get all your girlfriends giving you a pat on the back for that. Oh here they are WelshBoyDave, Huddz red. Lyndon will be arriving shortly with Bendingdong and Co. If you get your heads together you might be able to form a girl band.

Ozone


It was just a joke Ozone as I don't get myself involved with your pathetic little whines about apparent problems we have that you never come up with solutions for.
If you want to start making smart comments (I use the term smart advisedly) I suggest you pick on someone more on your intellectual level.
A cactus perhaps?

Chris in Tamworth


I wouldn't put yourself on a pedestal Chris, I've heard some of your nonsense on . Johnson used to put you in your place with your nonsense. Your in no position to start taking an intellectual high ground.

Ozone


Ozone, mate, stop throwing handbags with childish slagging and you might get a bit more respect for your opinions.

And please don't say 'he started it'

SpudRed


Read the thread Spudred, mines not the first post is it!

Ozone


Just accept you are a laughing stock, Ozone, that's why there are so many jokes about you. C'mon have a giggle.

cozinoz


Johnson put me in my place? You mean he resorted to bad language, ignored all valid arguments and basically shouted louder and longer until he thought the argument was won?
I don't know why you're getting so angry with me to be honest, I've been a lot calmer than I used to be.
I haven't got involved in your arguments but obviously I've said something to upset you.

Chris in Tamworth


16 Jan 2013 23:51:48
Mum, Mum, Mum, the other kids made fun of me, they..they hurt my feelings.

The amount of times you've been put in your place and refused to answer posts is ridiculous.

Much like my piles, you simply refuse to go quietly.

It was a joke and was treated as such, if you don't wish to see banter, i suggest you look elsewhere, because this is the banter page.

I asked you to in a civilised manner explain to us mere mortals what exactly FSG have done wrong, and what you would do differently further down the banter page, you appear not to have answered me?

Maybe it's convinience, maybe you didn't see it, so i'll ask you again.

What do you anticipate FSG doing that will be so detrimental to the club? Or what have they done that has you so aggreived?

I'd like to point out that if FSG were to sell, i wouldn't blame them. The death threats for not signing Dempsy were bang out of order, and the 'support' they have recieved is atrocious.

Believe it or not, you will have contributed to FSGs decision to sell, if that's what they choose to do, with the constant abuse it's no wonder they havn't attended recently.

I don't descriminate because you hate, believe it or not. If you were pissed at Kenny and Commolli for wasting money i'd understand, if you were pissed at H#G for crippling the club, it would be fair enough.

So i'd like you not to respond to this post directly, but with a new thread, not solely for my benefit, but for everybody to see exactly what it is that is so harmful to the club.

What made you so cynical? What are you seeing that the rest of us fail to see?

Please open our eyes, we beg you.

And try not to post unfounded accusations of crime because your friend Waro got his posts cut for that.

So lets stick to the facts eh?

Thanks.

WelshBoyDave


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:06:56
Galatasaray chairman Unal Aysal has admitted that the club have made alternative plans in the event that Wesley Sneijder chooses a move to Liverpool.

Obviously we have made some contact if he has said that! {Ed002's Note - It is not what he said.}


16 Jan 2013 18:21:31
He is now close to agreeing terms with Galatasaray, so doesn't look like we will get him

Who's to even say we were in for him ? Macca doesn't think so, so that's good enough for me.
RD


I remember everyone saying we weren't going for Suarez and "no way will Liverpool sign him". Then we did.

People don't know every bid or enquiry we make players.

Jonesred


We go in last minute with so much effort as Torres want to leave.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 17:06:12
eds when will we announce our if we made a profit in 2011/2012 {Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain never.}


Quite a riposte ED02 - You truly are the king of the one liners!


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:59:17
In response to this no-named poster who placed the following:

'Ince is the next signing, not really going to win the league for liverpool is he?We are sliding badly and this needs to stop.Worst team i have seen in years apart from suarez and rienna, the rest are just average joes


THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.'

I'm pretty sure the team was markedly worse when we had the likes of Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic etc in the team during the first half of the 2010-2011 campaign. Maybe you need to think back. Absolute rubbish on enormous wages. That was the lowest point. Dunno how people can actually say this is the worst team when it hasn't even had chance to gel - the addition of academy players, signings such as Borini, Sturridge et al aren't just going to instantly understand each other overnight. Patience is a virtue (stamp your feet all you want but that's just a fact of life that it will take time). So many people on here today seem to be laying into everything to do with Liverpool, have a lot of posters' menstrual cycles synchronised? If you wanna go on a Liverpool bashing circlejerk I suggest you hop over to the United page, I'm sure they'd appreciate your negative barbs substantially more than the majority of us on here would.

JFT 96

JP


Well said Jp...

Phooey....


Cheers Phooey, with some of the bitter posters on here you'd think they were Everton fans.

JFT 96

JP


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:57:33
forget about Sneijder and put all our effort into getting Keisuke Honda!
thes mell


He will be a better option in wages and marketing, and will cost the same as snaijder, plus he is younger and play as good as snaijder o better even, that's Wu BENITEZ WANTED HIM AT LIVERPOOL.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:44:33
Eds any interest in coutinho, from liverpool or any other premier league side? {Ed052's Note - no, h hasn't done well at Inter}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:51:07
Everyone saying we are now a mid table team you are the same people that moan constantly about getting un realistic players. If you generally believe we are a mid table team stop moaning! where we are in the league in technically where we are meant to be so stop contradicting your selfs.

However most fans realise we are not far off being a top 4 club but it takes alot of time. Man united man see arsenal Tottenham Everton have had the same managers for years. Tottenham were 4th last year has AVB really improved them? They are in the same place. Man see and Chelsea have got alot of money therefore always going to be up there. (Chelsea got really lucky last year though).

Brendon needs time and not you bunch of winging impatient fans moaning every time we lose. If he has time to build a team he wants which FSG HAS supported we have a strong possibility of being up there again.


London red


I think you've missed the point. I think some fans are not happy that we're now "generally a mid table team" and are therefore praying for "unrealistic players" to join us so that we can break into the top 4 once again.

I don't think it a case that we believe we're a mid table team so we should simply accept that and stop moaning. We'd like better. We'd like real quality players to join. Perhaps in time that will happen.


We are not a mid table team though? Have you nt seen how close the league is? How can you call us a mid table team when BR has had half a season? We have finances that mid table teams don't the only reason were 8th is because we've only just become stable

London red


We are 8th in the league. That's just above mid-table. That is where we are. As soon as we accept our position we can start striving for better.

cozinoz


London red we are mid table, the days of spending 20 mil on a player have gone we are looking for mid table players, at one time we could afford players like torres, mascha, alonso, and even suarez, but no more, the table does not lie, and we can't get any good players, our history will only carry us so far, we are skint, and im sick of saying this we won't buy no one else in this window, downing should have been sold, he has not so it means he is being kept still the summer, because selling anymore players would weaken our team too much, its going to be interesting if we get a few injries to are key players

mikey b


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:40:35
LFC: Currently recruiting

New owners.
Job description includes :Sugar daddy money, flawless football understanding, the ability to sign Jose or Pep or whoever else is flavour of the month at the time.

The Owners must : Sack the manager if he loses twice in the same month, but never interfere with the running of the club, exceptions can be made if he's handing a big bag of swag over to the manager, but that's it.

Mistakes, no matter how quickly you atone for them, will not be tolerated.

You must show complete disregard for the wage bill and finances. Any attempt to shift under performing players off the wage bill is highly disccouraged, they must be kept as examples and made to play reserve football.

New manager. Job description includes: You must win 100% of home games and 95% of away games to keep the fans onside. No exceptions.

You must never buy young up and coming players with potential, especially English players. This will not be tolerated. Exceptions can be made if the player is foreign and his name ends with a vowel.

All attempts will be made to sign every player, if a player signs for another team, this will be considered losing out on him, even if said player signs a contract abroad.

The successful applicant must also be flexible in terms of strategy and formation. If something isn't working on the pitch, it will be rectified within 5 minutes. Any attempt to adopt a starting eleven or stick with tactics will be seen as weak coaching, and therefore bad coaching.

He will also be discouraged from too much squad rotation, as this unsettles the rhythm and flow of the squad.

Fernando Torres must be bought immediately, and the manager will coach him back to his very best form, instantaniously. Anything other than reproducing his very best form instantly will be seen as failure, and therefore a stupid decision by you to bring him back.

In short, the new Owners must be tall/short, invisible and all knowing. If you already own a sports franchise, you need not apply.

The new manager must be young, have a wealth of experience, be able to handle big personalities and buy the star players, whilst continuing to blood the youth.
If you have ever been sacked, caught up in any controversy, sold a good player/bought a bad one, you need not apply.

All applications should be sent to:
Mr Fictonial
NotOnYOurLife
NeverInAMillionYears
100 Acre Woods.

If you made it to the end, fair play to you.

WelshBoyDave


16 Jan 2013 17:06:57
Is there an email address so I can send over my cv?

Ashy


16 Jan 2013 17:23:29
If you unable to unable send it telepathecally, then i'm afraid it will not be accepted!
Apologies
WelshBoyDave


Best post in a long time. The only thing i would add is that i think fsg do have one eye on an exit strategy if the right offer came along which is influencing spending levels and recruitment policy meaning we have to now cut our cloth accordingly.


Hi i would like to apply for the position of manager of liverpool football club.

even tho i have no experience of managing a football club i have drawn up a plan that would have us on top of the league by end of the season.

PHASE 1
once give the position i would immediately set about buying the top 200 player in england offering to double their wages to sit on our bench.

PHASE 2
buy any player that scores against us or any other club in the league.

with this simple plan i believe i could take us to the top and with that our true fans will start to support us again.

we (lfc) are noting when our die hard fans don't support us.

KUMBER

PS

i can not work monday as i like to have a few pints on sunday mornings and nights. but my assistant king solomon is more then capable of taking the training seasions.


Hi Dave

I am writing in response to the current vacancy you have advertised

I have attached my CV below for your perusal and look forward to hearing from you soon to further discuss my application

Won Premier League on Fifa 12, 11, 10
Won league & cup doubles on Football Manager in 2011 & 2012

I feel the above are suitable credentials and proves I know how to manage all the club finances & ability to get the team performing on a regular basis

Kind regards

CoolhandLFC


I once saw a big duck. Am I in for it?
AnfieldUSA


I'm flippin dying with laughter, posts like this make this site amazing!

Still, you forgot to mention a warning to the manager that if he buys a player for an ove3excessive fee, and then the player wins the fans over instantaneously with world class performances but then hits a run of bad form, thetwo faced fans will consider you an person for signing him, the player the worst signing ever and will then pick out every single in his game.

Ccough- joe allen - cough cough

Anonymous woolback


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:39:20
Is this a rumour site or a question and answer site?.... B**ger that was a question!

C'mon guys lets have rumours not recycled drivel that I'm sure the Ed's are getting extremely bored of? {Ed052's Note - not boring, but its repetitive. Good banter, jokes, opinion and debate is what the site is for, as well as rumours etc, not drivel and disgusting abuse to Eds and posters, just because they have a different opinion or disagree}


Banter page is top notch, rumour page just seems questions to you guys about the same thing over and over again. Then you get s**t for not giving the answer they want.
Keep up the excellent work. {Ed052's Note - cheers again.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:39:08
Thank's again! {Ed052's Note - sorry again. It shouldn't have gone through. I will make sure its banned. Thanks}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:36:06
Olimpija forward Andraz Sporar has revealed that it is his ambition to earn a move to Liverpool at some stage in his career.

The 18-year-old is currently working on building a reputation and developing his game.

He would appear to be on the right path, with seven goals in 20 games this season seeing him to the top of the Slovenian scoring charts.

Sporar is hoping his efforts will be rewarded with a switch to Anfield in the future, with English eyes having drifted in his direction once before.

He underwent a trial at Tottenham some years back and is determined to earn himself a shot at the Premier League.

"I'm quite ambitious and my goals are high, " the talented teenager told Sportske Novosti.

"I will only be happy when I wear the Liverpool shirt. That is the club I support."


This is the type of players Liverpool want! You know this guy would put in 110% to play for us every game

London red


We should have him scouted.


Is he any good or does he just want to play for Liverpool ?

cozinoz


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:35:14
I think I get the plan now! Rodgers is only here to lay the foundations hence Pep has gone to Bayern until 2016 to learn more and will then take the reigns once LFC are ready to compete again.

FSG I salute you Sir!


This is hilarious


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:30:03
Spurs now amoungst favourites to snatch sneijder, what a suprise. {Ed052's Note - http://www.spursrumours.co.uk/}


They were first to be linked (xmas day)


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:22:39
heres my argument

after the summer fiasco we knew for six months that were short up top
we knew carroll kuyt bellamy three strikers were gone, we knew maxi was gone

we were short up front basically

brendan said in nov we re looking to bring 2/3 attackers

now knowing we needed 2/3 attackers in janaury don't you think the club could have had 3 attackers lined up like we had sturridge lined up for the start of janaury.

consider how many people are working 9-5 for liverpool for 6 whole months surely they could have these players lined up and practically signed for the opening of the window

it is possible as we have seen in the case of sturridge
but no we get sturridge(essential) and the rest will be a case of waiting to see if the right player becomes availabnle at the right price during the window....what kind of nonsense is this, surely the legworkj for january signings are done between summer and january not a case of waiting to see whop becomes available,
if not then its poor planning and poor preparatory work.

so far sturridge done deal lone before january was lined up ready to sing on the dotted line.

so is it a case of we don't think others are needed but we ll sing them if they re available?

we needed others not to the same degree as we needed syurridge but players could and should have been already done and susted with just the i s needing dotting on their contracts

pooor pooor work by whoever is responsible for lining up new players and getting things done

just my twopence worht

tom1975 {Ed002's Note - That is not how it works Tom.}


Why not ed

its possible to have sturridge lined up so why not others?

tom1975 {Ed002's Note - It is simply not how it works Tom - clubs do what they can year around but few will commit to letting players leave immediately the window opens as they will look to other offers and players will want to see what is available.}


16 Jan 2013 18:25:18
The only thing is Tom that we're talking about human beings here with their own minds, feelings, people having change of hearts, loss of form, injuries etc etc...
We're talking about a computer game.
It's not always as easy as some think.

Mike


Sturridge would have come in the summer if we had the money to spend then, we wanted him on loan but he wanted to come to liverpool on a permanant, wich shows that the deal for sturridge was lined up before the window opened, so in fact tom is right, the same goes for torres, we all knew he was coming here before the window opened so in some cases ed002 and MIKE the deals are done before the window is open, even if its only a gentlemens agreement

mickey b {Ed002's Note - Nothing was done regarding Torres in the summer. The first approach regarding buying Torres was about a month before the window opened and I told you about it then.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:21:05
Congratulations to the owners on letting a world champion manager slip away.. Pep was the only choice for such wonderful club like OURS... I really do fear for liverpools F.C future with a half baked manager, leaderless owners and directors... {Ed052's Note - the scary thing is most people will think like this, and not say it in a sarcastic way. I hope your the latter}


He'd cost too much just for his handmade suits!


Guardiola was destined for the EPL mate but only for either Chelsea or City, (maybe United now when Ferguson retires) we were never in the running so we haven't missed out on anything.

We have a long term manager right now so lets give him our support

Kelly Red {Ed002's Note - Chelsea were never likely to be an option. AC Milan was the other outsider.}


What a dumb post


I could win what pep won with messi iniesta and xavi in my team


No disrespect to pep but look at how well Villanova has done. I think I could have won the champions league with Barcelona. Furthermore pep didn't dictate the high pressing possesion style of play barca have designed. If I am not mistaken that was johan crupf or marcelo bielsa.


To be fair barca look better sense he left. eds do you rate him as a top top manager cause i don't think he has earned all the fuss that is made about him.

KUMBER {Ed002's Note - Managers can only sensibly be assessed in respect of the environment they are in. Working at certain clubs is much more difficult than others - so it is really a case of finding the best manager to suit the needs of the club and owner. Given it is a results driven industry we can see that he did well at Barcelona. Would the same be true at Liverpool or Arsenal, I don't know. It is certainly easy to see why he did not take the job at Milan.}


I would not have won the league with Barcelona> I am a she*p manager.
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:19:29
It appears as if Oussama Assaidi was signed by our ex director of communications Jen Chang. Rodgers sees no place for him in the squad and wants to get rid of him in January and bring in another player. {Ed052's Note - our former director of communications didn't make our summer transfer. Comolli was one mistake, letting a serial tweeter spend money is one step over}


DC bought Suarez. He had the balls to spend big money on the players Kenny wanted. Shame those players are useless. If only the fans could pick the players...


I heard he was spotted in Morocco by john henry on holiday, assaidi was working his summer holiday job as a waiter, when henry seen him out the back of the hotel playing keepy uppy with some kids.

KUMBER


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:18:04
Ince is the next signing, not really going to win the league for liverpool is he?We are sliding badly and this needs to stop.Worst team i have seen in years apart from suarez and rienna, the rest are just average joes


THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.


And in joe allens case an actual average joe


We may not even sign ince


Maybe true, we don't know how many teams you've seen.
But the important point is all the players with the exception of Gerrard and possibly Reina are young enough and have enough potential to grow together and be the best team you've seen.
They need the right coaching, they need first team experience, they need guidance and they need support.

Give them a chance and they might well prove you wrong. The days of lashing millions and millions on gambles are over, it's time to get the house in financial order and do it the right way.


Yes let them gel for a few years and then some other team with loads of money will buy them off us. I think we need to wake up.its ok buying players for the future but surely we need players who good enough now?


Wow, the original negative critic and all round fountain of pessimism forgot to leave a name. How odd.

cozinoz


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:17:12
Surely the capture of Sneijder for £10mil would represent fantastic value even on his high wages. We would have the number 10 we desire, a real superstar player to excite fans (sell shirts etc) and surely we could get at least the transfer fee back within two years if for any reason he was unhappy at the club. I would say that as long as the wage demands are not ridiculous (whatever that is these days!) we have got to try our best to sign him. If it was common knowledge that we had a massive trasnsfer kitty people wouldn't bat and eyelid if we paid 25mil for Sneijder, he's that good. I also believe it could act as a catalyst for other top players being attracted to the club.......just get him.


Sneijder is a massive gamble, too much of a gamble for us.
Inter don't want him
None of the top clubs want him
If he fails you've lost 10 million plus his wages because he will demand a 5yr contract. Possibly up to 45 million in total.
If he fails no-one will want him.

We do not need a Sneijder player at the moment, we need young hungry players with desire and potential.


So what downing and Henderson weren't massive gambles? We are talking about a proven world class player here!uyst get the guy, even if he doesn't succeed at least it shows are intention!!


It would cost too much in refurbishing Melwood - they would need to widen all the doors to squeeze his ego in.

cozinoz


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:13:54
Oh dear seems money doesn't talk, Pepe Guadiola to become manage of Bayern Munich in July, what will Chelsea do now....

Sooty


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:13:53
Hey Ed just a quick question for you. If Reina does leave in the summer, would we have any chance of getting Ter Stegen from Monchengladbach? Also who would your choice be to replace Reina if he leaves?
Cheers,
LS7. {Ed052's Note - we could yes}


He won't leave unless he is going to be No.1, but as i have said numerous of times if Reina were to leave then Ter Stegan is the only choice in my eyes.

BigD


Hey Ed, me again, would you say it is likely he could be Reina's replacement or just a chance we may look at him?
Cheers,
LS7. {Ed052's Note - wewould almost certainly look at him. Getting him, a slim chance}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:13:52
I think suarez will leave in the summer unless we start signing some world class players.Great player and we need to start providing him with some quality service.henderson and allen don't cut it and although stevie g is a legend, he is just not the player anymore, still good but not great.Sturrage will do til the summer but brendan should stop buying average players, that's not what liverpool is all about.
I think alot of you will disagree with me but its the truth.

moondog


I agree if we ge a substantial bid for him this summer, he will be sold imo

tom1975


How many times does he have to say he wants to stay without comments like this contradicting him?

If the club wanted him gone for a 'substantial' bid, then believe me, a large bid would happen.

Get over it.

DaveyBootle


Daveybootle.
Suarez will do what is right for him, like they all do. It doesnt really matter what he says to be honest. Although im not really hung up in what footballers goes as long as all the money is re invested in the team, which it would be i think.

The Irish Rover


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:13:27
Can disgruntled LFC fans remember that our great club is going through a heavy period of transition. We have relatively new owners who are learning and a manager who came from a small welsh club to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world. Clearly this is a long term project which is not going to reap dividends overnight! The owners and BR have made mistakes both on and off the pitch but we are a united club and will remain so and I firmly believe the owners want to take this club forward the right way. BR is working with a mixture of young inexperienced players, average players, world class players and old heads and still moulding his squad. Eventually we will see a team with pace, skill and lots of ability just like the great Liverpool teams of old. Every player will no their role and be comfortable on the ball. At the moment we do not have this, even with our strongest eleven. In other words, there is still a lot of work to be done. The owners are gradually getting their house in order with regards to lowering our wage budget, putting plans in place to build on the existing stadium, bringing in backroom staff and generating greater worldwide revenue etc, etc. Hopefully next season will will begin to see the signs of an exciting future for this great club as further young players begin to breakthrough to the first team and BR adds one or two quality additions which I am certain the owners will back. Be patient, back the owners and BR and we will start to see success on the pitch YNWA..


We ve been in transition for 20 years


I know the problem...

We've turned so many corners that we are actually going around in circles.

Dublad


No we've been in transition since winning the CL and finishing 2nd in the league


 

 

16 Jan 2013 16:08:40
Todays Banter Page reads a bit like an episode from Emergency Ward 10 (I know, age) but I have some simple points to make as follows :-

1) FSG bailed us out of a potential disaster scenario and got rid of H & G into the bargain, and on the face of it look to be doing the right thing.
2) To my mind (although he's my hero) Dalglish bought expensively and poorly. We are now in the process of paying that tab.
3) My love for LFC is undiminished after 50 years plus, and the last 20 odd years of sporadic success has been painful.
4) However, the greatest achievement of the Liverpool family didn't even take place on the football field, it came with the exoneration of the 96 with the publication of The Hillsborough Report.

Just wanted to add some perspective and balance to some heavy postings (and yes, we are all entitled to express our opinions)

MikeInUSA


Mike,
Where are you ?
Ritters


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:54:24
Hi Eds - So putting aside all the usual banter of torres and Sneijder (very unlikely signings) - I was wondering if you had any news on the possibility of us swooping in for Modibo Diakite - apparently he's refusing to sign a new contract at lazio and is seeking an offer from the EPL i know we were interested in him before so wondering if this has be reignited - also the Ince deal seems to have gone completly quiet as has the loan move for Jefferen any news?

Thanks

KK {Ed052's Note - nothing on any of them. No new news at all.}


16 Jan 2013 16:19:54
How long before the 'how come we didn't sign Pep Guardiola' moaners come out to play?!
Chris in Northampton


'how come we didn't sign Pep Guardiola'

FSG don't know what they doing, how many times have they missed target signings, they never like to spend any money, they have terrible policy ..have I missed anything?

Roy


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:48:59
Ian Ayre "we have probably got the best balance in terms of any team in the league"

Why are you setting us up for more ridicule from other supporters and journalists Ian, as a Liverpool fan it's tough enough getting through the week after a loss to United without you saying nonsense like this to the press.

I'm only judging this guy from all those Being Liverpool episodes, his interviews and ultimately our final transfers so it's a bit unfair and harsh, but does he appear to be a bit of a clown to anyone else?

He doesn't exactly strike me full of confidence as our Managing Director, but maybe I'm missing something? What do you fellow Reds fans think?

Kelly Red


We've missed out on dempsey. That's the only thing that comes to mind that he has done wrong. Us missing out on dempsey is arguably a good thing


I think it concerns the wage-bill.

DaveyBootle


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:40:41
Hi. This is not a rumour, more of an observation. I'm with most of the fans, i don't think the Sneijder has much substance, but i really do wish i'm wrong, it'd be a great signing if we can get his wage demands low.
I don't understand why alot of the fans have so many negative comments to make on this. So it's a risk but don't forget he was linked with Man you not so long ago for 25 mill odd. If he comes and does a job like Van Der Vaatt done for Spurs then it'd be well worth it. Yes he's had injuries etc but im sure he'll want to prove himself.
Also signing him would show intent, that we want to add world class players to our squad and rebuild and progress at a quick rate. When i say show intent, i mean to the players of LFC.....Suarez, because let's face it, if we're not there or there about in regards to top 4 he will want to go, and the longer we continue finishing 8, 7, 6 we're going to be regarded as an average club who's living of past glory....then we won't even be able to attract top players.....
Harry Red


We are a middle table club, we just can't see it, we can't compite with big clubs. We can't pay wages for world class players, we are trying do do what arsenal been trying to do for the last 8 years and it did not work. As soon as likes of sterling will becom top players they will go for the big money. We are mid table club it hurts but is tru, we are not news anymore, apart when suarez does something, we are last on Mach of the day, not on the back pages,


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:37:06
Hi Eds,
Guardiola to Bayern? Have you heard anything about it?
tom {Ed052's Note - it was mentioned on monday but fiercely denied by them}


16 Jan 2013 16:19:36
Its just been confirmed.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:33:09
hi eds. i think LFC are being a little silly because we really need sneijder. i understand that he want too much money but at the end of the day we need an experience creative midfielder. compared to how much andy carroll was bought for, sneijder's transfer would be nothing compared to carroll's transfer. {Ed052's Note - in terms of fee maybe, in terms of wages, something Sneidjer is on a whole new levelthat City couldn't even afford}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:25:17
Looks like I've missed a lively few hours on here today. post-misinterpretation tears? Legend.
Keep up the good work Eds.

BigBadBen


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:22:23
Eds, Do you believe we are actually going to sign/loan anyone else during this transfer window as im starting to doubt that we are.

***Sponsorship Money Spent*** {Ed002's Note - Yes.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:17:48
If is possible i want to know if our manager and our transfer policy at the end of a season will be at Chelsea, what do you think Ed002?You will be content?It is easy to mock Liverpool fans when you are not one of them.Sorry for my english.
Mircea {Ed002's Note - No need to apologise for you English, it is better than most here.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 15:07:47
ed first time posting but liverpool fan all my life all these rumours are driving me mad i just want liverpool winning again and back to the top not just cl football in your honest view will liverpool sign again this window or is it all a blanket for the americans to paper over the cracks and we won, t be in the running for a long time to come please post whould like to get honest feedback


 

 

16 Jan 2013 14:58:44
A reply to some posters further down the page:

.......

And finally...................if your all happy with F$G good on yers, and if your all proved correct why do you care what my opinion is of the owners? Your all happy with your lot so just hit the disagree buton sit back and be safe in the knowledge you will be proved corect!!

Waro {Ed002's Note - THese were the places we would rather avoid. It just causes conflict and will result in you and your friends in the SS coming around to stomp all of the other posters. Please try and keep to the standard whining, grizzling and bleating about the owners.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 14:55:32
Why do football supporters think they have the right to choose the owners of the clubs they support? Arsenal fans whine about their now well-publicised board of directors. Utd fans whine about how the club has been structured financially. Spurs fans vent frustration at their frugal Chairman (and their billionaire owner who could splurge should he see fit). Liverpool fans whine when we do spend money and whine when we don't. The only owners of top clubs who avoid major criticism are the billionaire playboys for obvious reason.

Can't we all accept we're not experts in sports club ownership? If you are, please feel free to share your business plan with the group. The fact is fans have a very odd sense of ownership and entitlement about their club, without (in some cases) contributing very much at all. Rightly or wrongly football is a business and will always be a business. If anyone really wanted to help, then they should spend money with the club. Lets say we have 15m fans (complete guess). If we all buy a £2 pencil from the club shop each year, we increase our annual turnover by £30m. Not too shabby. I jest to an extent, but you get the point. Unfortunately people would prefer to anonymously shout about it online.

JF


I suppose some fans think that decades of support, hundreds of thousands of miles in away trips and year after year of season ticket ownership is an investment of some sort .......


Sod it, I'm buying two pencils this year

cozinoz


 

 

16 Jan 2013 14:31:02
Hey Eds, has Assaidi impressed BR???there has been a rumor that he might be used a make weight in bringing Siem de Jong
Also rate Assaidi out of 10
MS RED {Ed052's Note - 6/7. Im sure BR likes him otherwise he wouldn't have signed him. He woht be used as a make weight}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 14:27:22
Is it just me our does it seem like transfers fees are coming down eg Remy was being quoted at 20m last year & there was a 28m bid turned down for Yann M'Vila, Now they are reportedly going to QPR for 8m and 7m respectively. Also Sneijder was said to be worth 30m now 8m will buy him. I am not saying there won't be a few players out their that would command a big fee but clubs are beginning to realize with the fair play rules coming in you just can't go round spending lots of money on average players it just dosent make sense. with this in mind i think LFC will be in a good positions to compete in the future.
Just a thought does anyone els agree?
Murton Red


I think it depends on how well they are implemented as the top owners such as abramovic will know how to find a way around it.
derryred


 

 

16 Jan 2013 14:01:43
I'm not looking forward to next season! Both guardiola and mourinho managing in the EPL. {Ed002's Note - Maybe one could challenge Super Stevie Nicol for the Liverpool job?}


BR is world class but he needs money to strengthen the team .. btw mourinho, with all these superstars in madrid, couldn't do anything this year or the first year he came, in 3 years 2 or 3 trophies and spending hundreds of millions, support your manager
YNWA
El capitano


What makes you think that Mourinho and Guardiola can repeat their achievements of Spain in England?

Barcelona is not Guardiolas mastermind. It is a team that has played together for 10 years atleast. They have an academy which plays the same kind of football as their senior team right from the age of 10. Remember, Liverpool in the 80s where every new player (no matter how high profile he was) went to play with the reserves for the first 2-3 months before training with the senior team because every team in the club played the Liverpool way.

There are at the moment only 2 clubs in England who can give this to Guardiola - Arsenal and dare I say Liverpool to a little extent. Manchester United do not have an academy that strong, and do I even need to mention Chelsea and City who buy their talent.

Mourinho achieved a lot with Chelsea with his defensive tactical play when football had much to gain from organizational play. Football has moved on in the last 5-6 years, where, it has become more fluid and attacking, so I am not sure if he would be that successful again in England. Could be, could be not.

So even if they join EPL clubs next season, they may not bring instant success but will maybe take a year or two. Whereas, BR has assessed his tools and players this season, and we shall see some more flair, more pressing and speed in the Liverpool game next season which really makes me look forward to next season. Am I being so optimistic from castles made in thin air? No. it is from the simple observation of the manner the team has progressed this season.

We were lethargic in the beginning of the season, players were all over the place even against lower teams, and no one had an idea of where to be. however, since November, we are more organized and runs are being made. Aston villa was a one-off game, and Stoke City is just our bogey team.

Sunderland held us to a draw in the beginning of the season but we beat them 3-0 convincingly in the return fixture, that's progress for you.

Gerrard already looks like a new signing.

Looking forward to great times ahead, if BR stays.

mgz


16 Jan 2013 15:23:18
A world class manager could motivate his players and play them in the right position. But someone who cannot motivate Sahin, Gerald and Reina whilst devaluing Carrol and Downing is not world class. Anyone whose has no knowledge of players beyond those he has worked is not world class - he even has to trail international players..... what a joke. As for his Spanish and Italian skills, i noticed he has now recruited so many overseas cheap players.... The only thing that is world class about BR is his own overvaluation.


He hasn't worked with Sahin, Assaidi, Sturridge or Yesil before, yes he's bought in some players from previous teams like Allen and Borini but they have been a success for him so why not?

He has to trial international players? The norweigen league is NOTHING like the Premier league. It's smart to trial him before spending 4m on him. Gerrard seems motivated, he has played every game this year and is starting to settle down into his new role. Sahin just wasn't cut out for the Prem as you could see he was getting injured almost every other week. Reina hasn't been great for at least 3 years but he has started to show some kind of form recently. Devaluing Downing? Downing has put in a couple of decent performances as of late which will obviously raise his value but under Kenny he was absolutely shocking for all games he played. Carroll was also useless and sending him out on loan to West ham with a view to buy of 17m is probably the most we could get for him.

BR has done excellently, it was never going to be a title-challenging season but he has closed the gap towards the top and hopefully we get some more signings and kick on.

BthekingB


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:49:04
Having read this site for some time now I am completely dismayed at the number of posts that apportion "blame" at anybody and everybody. I have supported this fantastic club for near on 47 years, and have experienced both magical and dismal experiences in that time.

One of which was the tenure of the previous owners who seemed intent on bleeding the club dry irrespective of the cost and damage to the club. Then along came FSG and regardless of what some posters on here think they, FSG, SAVED our club, yes SAVED. Be assured people we were close to going bust, out of business, finished.

Looking at their record what have they really done wrong since taking over, okay RH was a mistake, but they rectified that and brought in KD (which I will always be happy about!. By the way, I watched the programme about the making of the Hillsborough justice song. Looking at KD he clearly looked better in himself without the stress of management, but that's just my view).

Unfortunatley, KD didn't work out so they replaced him with BR, a young manager who has his own ideas on how football should be played and what type of player he wants.

Anyway back to FSG. They have or still are re-structering a club that frankly was in a mess both commercially and playing wise (we only need to look up the M62 to see how commercially savvy we should have been in the early to late 90's!). They have brought in new and ADDITIONAL sponsership deals, they are reviewing the best option for the stadium but either way it will take time. Time they need, and I feel, which will get it right for the club.

They have provided both KD and BR with financial support (some of which has been wasted). I believe JH, JA and FB will turn out to be good enough players for LFC, they are all young players moving to a club were everything is highlighted to a degree all of us will never understand. Just imagine your boss highlighting any/every mistake you make to the whole company, dent your confidence don't you think?

Less the 6 weeks ago some people on here were screaming for JH to go, useless, not good enough, blah blah blah, were the comments aimed at him. Now 3 good games and it's JA turn for the finger of blame - get a grip people. These are young players who have the ability and capability to improve.

We have been around for 120 years, if we wish to stay around for another 120 then take a step back and look at what FSG are doing. They have a business plan in mind that will utimately see them sell the club for a profit, fair enough. But in that time will see them aim to take us back to the top of the league with continued success and correct and strong business plans in place. - TMac


Finally our great club is in safe hands in a long long time. IN fact FSG have done more than i expected so i thank them for saving the club from oblivillion. And please guys just ignore these girls, they just want abit of attention. I probably doubt they are even Liverpool fans.

Barbie.


I agree with you on the last part where you say they will sell for a profit, but disagree with you bringing us back to the top, that's why they have got the wage bill down, and in getting the wage down they have left the squad very thin, so you were happy last summer when the owners left liverpool FSG see with 1 striker . and why did they do this, they did this because they did not want to spend any more money on players, which in buismess terms means meant they have kept the wage bill or out goings down than what it was


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:37:55
Does anyone else think that Assaidi has been pretty good when he has played? I am suprised to not have seen him play more and also see rumours of a possible transfer.

Fergus


He picked up an injury and I beleive he's gon to the African Cup now, might be wrong. he has looked pretty good in the breif apperances he has had.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:31:26
I replied to your comment Ed002, and you haven't posted it! No abuse no swearing, just comments to fight my corner, and as you know because you read it I put at the end you won't show this because it basically shows you exactly were i'm coming from with regards my comments, so you can make me look like I have an agenda. Come on Ed, if your going to dish it out then you have too give right of reply to that person. Apologies if it's posted as i'm writing this.
Waro {Ed002's Note - Actually I went to the Post Office to mail some letters but did respond at the first opportunity I had. As I said in the response I have given you a pretty decent amount of freedom and have only ever cut posts that have made unsubstantiated claims about the owners - which I suspect could easily lead us in to legal issues. I have cut a few notes lower down this post as I am sure you will appreciate they relate to areas we do not wish to explore. The matter is nothing to do with the rights of the working man etc., it is to do with the running of, like it or not, a medium sized sports business. A key point here is that it is not simply a Saturday afternoon game of football, but a business, and one that needs to be sustainable. If you want anything else then the answer is AFC Liverpool.}


I think you should take the eds advice waro, start up afc Liverpool and go run it with ozone and the other moaners.
Give it a rest, you would be half interesting if you didn't sound like a broken record all the time.
You have an unhealthy obsession with John Henry and FSG that needs addressing.
We all know you don't like the owners but nothings changing soon so just get on with it and change the subject.
Well done ed002, you have so much patience.

MIKEY


I appreciate their views, after all this forum wouldn't be as good without a bit of debate however the fact that certain members are actually insulting the editors of this site just makes me sick. If you do not respect the editore or don't agree with them to the extent you are insulting them etc. then please just stop using the site.
dr {Ed052's Note - I agree :P}


Waro {Ed002's Note - I don't have time to figure who Ray Finkle is but perhaps you want to step back from all of this conflict for a few hours.}


I have to agree. The ed's are only giving their HONEST opinion on transfer targets. The fact you may not like that we are not signing Sneijder, Cavani etc etc is not their fault but perhaps sour grapes on your part. The second point i'd like to make is that over the past few years, due to bad results/performances my own anger has subsided some what. I used to be the worst loser going i reckon but these days i take a loss much better coz i know it's a re-building process that we are undertaking and it's going to take time, so leave Rodgers, Allen, Henderson alone and give them your full support during this difficult time. You'd be an person to not realise were were on the right path. I thought we were supposed to have the best supporters in the world but reading some of the post's on here you'd have to have a re-think. Good night, much love


16 Jan 2013 18:44:40
The only reason some of you people keep coming back to this site is because of the ed's and Macca (and the fact they get a lot of stuff right) If you didn't appreciate their time or opinion go elsewhere and see if their people 'ITK' get as much right as the ed's and Macca.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:24:41
I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank FSG, the EDS and the players who adorn our great shirt.
I have supported LFC for 51 years now and yes i can't say im 100% happy with the past 20 years.

BUT, we have got to learn history counts for nothing anymore, we must think of the future of this great institution. If you are a true fan, make your comments, positive or negative as everyone has an opinion but its wrong to apportion blame on FSG, not yet anyway.

All i say is blaming FSG, the players and the manager is not the answer, im sure in time all will come good with the present owners, even if they do sell up so what, the club is much better shape now than when Moores/Parry and Hicks/gillette were custodians.

keep the faith, like i said im not 100% happy with results or transfers but i live in hope that one day very soon we will again be the dominant force in world football.

Scouse Red


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:54:15
Ed002 you have replied a few times this morning by asking people to wait until April for good news. I can only assume its news about the stadium but I am happy to be corrected? Please can you enlighten me?

Kev the Red {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure it is good news, but we will see on the first Monday in April.}


Ed 2.wat does that mean.ahh scared now {Ed002's Note - There is no need to be scared. First Monday of the new financial year will bring some news I understand.}


Its to do with a takeover of lfc.RedTurk


Yes i'm sure there will be lots of news considering it's April fools day.

Crowman.


Its worth baring in mind it is also APRIL FOOLS DAY.
.ha ha.

Taffytel


Hopefully they will announce profits!

oliverpool


Maybe the 1st monday in April is April fool's day?


Depends what you class are new financial year i guess......UK end of tax year is on the 5th April, so first Monday of new financial tax year would be April 8th......so perhaps no April fools news?


The 5th of April is the end of the personal tax year not company's


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:52:28
I am sick to death of the FSG out brigade on here. From my perspective we are lucky to have them as they saved the club and are trying to get the club back on an even keel. Im glad they are trying to regenerate the squad with young, hungry players mixed with our experienced players and that we no longer have Aquilani, Cole etc.
The abuse towards them is pathetic and laughable. What would you prefer? Liverpool FC to have gone into administration? that's what would have happened if not for FSG. For that I am thankful. I would rather do things their way than the Chelsea, Man City route. Those two clubs are not sustainable in the long term.
Also the guy abusing Ed002 is a joker and it doesnt matter if the Ed is a Chelsea fan, they are passing on any info they have and giving up their time to get abused by tools like you! I appreciate all the eds hard work and contributions.


Very good post.that said they didn't know how expensive it was to run a club.why not ask someone?i mean who was in charge of finding that out.fire him first off..then why hand a wad of cash to a manager without at least a full season maybe 2 to see where the squad is at and what the manager can get out of them.then don't make mad promises keep fan expectation down for the first while.although i am thankful for them they have made some silly errors.kenny was brought in to steady things at the club.that can't happen by buying 100 million worth of new first team players talk about rocking the boat.and new director of football.haha that turned into a long one..sorry


16 Jan 2013 14:15:10
Right on bro! Why don't fans just do what fans are meant to do! Get behind the entire football club, people forget we we're deep in dog crap, in debt to our eye balls, now we are no longer in debt, peole should understand that the owners have generated more and more revenue, and with the financial fai play rules coming into play, and the new big money tv deals, we will be in good shape and have a rosy future, they said it will take a few years to offload insanely high earners in terms of what they did on the football field, and building a deep squad with quality, these young players will become older and the team will have grown together, that's the way we had to do it, BUT people PATIENCE is needed, we have had a spoilt past, with lots of trophies, were going through a building period! So win lose or draw, support the club, the owners, the staff and the players! Because that's what makes great supporters! No offence but look at all the other clubs apart from the big teams....they would only dream of having just 25% of what we have!
Sorry for going on, but it frustrates me, that we call ourselves the greatest fans, yet we have a percentage of fans who only seem to moan and want quick success, like some people say: if ya want to be a glory hunter: citeh, Man Utd and chelski are there!
Peace out!
IN BR WE TRUST. Peace and Justice ft 96
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE


I agree that FSG have made some errors. What owners havent? Even Chelsea and Man City have made expensive errors. I believe we do have good owners who are trying to do their best by the club and are investing. Just not to the level some people on here want. I would rather have a sustainable club rather than a sugar daddy who will walk away when he gets bored. Thanks for appreciating my original post.


Totally agree man.but the not knowing how expensive statement makes them look real dumb


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:49:21
I think Rodgers is doing a fantastic job at Liverpool. He has taken the club from relegation candidates to a mid-table side in 6 months. Another 3 years and we'll be competing for champions league places. 6 years and we'll be challenging for the title. To me this is good progress. What does everyone else think?

Spanish Scouser


We've never been relegation candidates!

We've been a mid table team since Benitez' final year and nothing has changed yet.

But hopefully, with a few quality signings between now and the start of next season, we can start challenging for the CL again and the top spots.

That's what I think.

SR


Table wise, he has not taken the team anywhere just yet...what he has done is been the manager at a time when a large amount of players had arecently and continued to be released from the squad (bad value contracts)

...the core top players i.e. Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez have all (i think) signed long deals.

...he has immeasurably improved the fitness of Agger, Johnson an Gerrard (key players with bad injury records)

...he has given our best young players that came through Rafa's Academy setup (Wisdom, Sterling and Suso) invaluable 1st team experience and training

... on the pitch he has improved our clear cut chances per game, possession and winning the ball back in the final 3rd.

... he is implementing a system which has teething problems due to confidence of inexperienced players leading to inconsistency BUT also some experienced players not turning up in the bigger games.

... We have more shots than any other team in the league, mainly due to so many shots from Suarez.

....by moving Suarez behind Sturridge on the pitch he will recieve the ball on the move in space and be able to manufacture more clear cut chances for himself and team mates, this coupled with the fact that Struddge is a better finisher should result in LFC winning more games in the second half of the season.

...for this reason and the fact that Gerrard is getting back to his best fills me with great optimism for the second half of the season.

Rodgers, Ayre, FSG are trying to re-build the strucutre and thinking of the club for the medium to long term but I think we are not very far away at all from climbing up the table to close to the top 4 places. I think we will finish 5th or 6th this season but will have the foundations and understanding in the squad to push futher up in to the top 4 next season.

Cheers JK


16 Jan 2013 14:18:21
excellent reply...one of the best...
whne did liverpool became a relegation team..and BR the gladiator?
Nonsense..from 9th to 8th in one season..?
progress?..after spending over 120 mill in two seasons?...
Dude..go to sleep you are drunk.....


I agree that Rodgers is doing a good job, had to get rid of Adam, Aqau and a few other and has brought through some really good young players, not sure about where we will be at the end of this season never mind 6 years. plus i don't think her will get three years to get champions league

K-Man


I think he meant our relegation form in the 2nd half of last season!
JJ


The fact is our team has went from being filled with past their peak, average players with huge contract to now having young up and coming players on reasonable contracts shows the direction our club is going in. Don't worry, the league table will improve as the players do.
derryred


I didn't realise the season had ended today! Simonpw


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:45:23
In a less heated manner I'd like to know how ozone and the brotherhood would run the club if they owned it.

How would they generate money

How would they pay for new stadium/refurb

How would they raise money for transfers and wages

I take it you would let people support the club if they were not from Liverpool. "otherwise youd have a very limited turnover"

Would the farm have to reform to help with turnover

Lyndon


Sell my baseball team?


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:20:05
Hello Eds,
is it true we are interested in Michael Pereira of Mallorca and Jores Okare (the Danish CB) ? {Ed052's Note - We are obviously after a CB. New names are thrown up daily.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:16:48
everyone needs to understand different people will have differnt views doesnt meen one is wrong or right. the thing is fsg has made a lot of mistakes and big one at that they briught in comoli who they then gave sanction to send 100 million yes dalglish said i like x layer but he did not do the deals comoli did so that has to lie at fsg door. they also have this youth policy witch is not balanced right you can't just buy youth you need a good mix, so you can see why people are saying about them just wanting resale value they need to get this right. again the stadium we no it takes time but they have had over two years!
they keep letting ayre and werner him self doing stupid interviews and saying this and that about transfers will have a good jan to put smiles back on the fans faces and lets not start on ayre this all is not helping them selves. agin like eds o2 said maybe a job to soon for rodgers lets face it this club was and is in trouble and a long way behind surley a more expeianced manager would of been a better choice lets hope rodgers can step up but he needs eveyones surpport and sometimes that's hard because he does make mistakes but that's comes with growing with the club.
now fsg have experiance in bring back a fallen giant to the dizzy hights again eg redsox that has to be in there favour yes they did buy us on the brink but they need to stop the mistakes now and start getting things right.

mike


No way i just replied to a different post up the page a bit saying the same things you said


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:14:57
I went to the pub last night but was driving, so I only had a half. Weirdly they put my beer in a pint glass. I thought to myself that my glass was half full. Reading some of the comments from Ozone etc, I can only assume you'd have seen my drink as being half empty?

Rome was built in a day. Progress has been a bit slow, but there are definite signs of progress on and off the pitch.

So why not channel all that negativity into support and see how things go?

I'm in it for the long term,

Raoul


Rome was founded around 750 BC. It did not become "Rome" as we imagine it -- one of the most important and powerful cities in world history until about 250 BC. So about 500 years, give or take.

Hope it doesn't take this long, I'm all for waiting lol
Paul the red


Yes 8th in the league, can't beat any of the teams above us. Thumped by Villa and Stoke. Playing the okki cokey with Sahin. £42 mill net spent (more than Kenny) on midgets, out of the League Cup and playing training pitch football in our own half. That is not progress. The only progress being made is in the profitability of the club as a business. Plus of course we now have a plethora of assets with resale. So depending on what flicks your switch, I suppose progress is up for debate.

Ozone


Ozone, are you always this impatient? I pity your sex life if you are.

Raoul


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:13:46
I think it is quite clear fans of other clubs are coming on here pretending to be Liverpool fans because they'll know we react to their provoking posts.

I would think most of the ones posting angry posts such as "eds, why didn't liverpool buy remy instead of borini" are other clubs fans trying to provoke us. If not, they certainly have not seen Remy play lately and have not given Borini any sort of time. Borini looks a real talent and is a million times better than Remy.

Likewise any post saying we are a "joke" or "mid table" side are probably fans of another club. There is nothing final about what kind of team you are. It changes from season to season. Last season we were a mid table team. This season we may be again or we may be a top four team. We won't know till the end of the season. I think giving a final definitive "we are just a mid table team now" statement is other fans trying to get us bickering. What we are is a team striving to improve and look to challenge for the league in future. The goals are the highest they can be for the long term future of the club and that's what is most important.

Posts attacking young players Sterling, Borini, Allen, Henderson etc. are really not giving the young lads any time to adjust to the new level of football they are playing. I would admit this is a mixture I'm sure of liverpool fans and non fans pretending to be but I think it is a disgrace. All have the potential to be great players with our support.

Rodgers will be a top manager. I have no doubt. The style of football is terrific and once we get the squad built to match we will see some unbelievable results.

FSG out people haven't a clue and once again I suspect many are fans of other clubs. Yes mistakes have been made but they continue to be very supportive and are clearly doing their best to improve every aspect of the club.

So liverpool fans, stay cool and support the team. Good times are ahead. WE made need some patience but certainly we have kicked on from last year and this will be proven at the end of the season.


Davey Sulls


But we are a mid table club, what's wrong with being honest?

And until the time comes; where we qualify again for the CL, we will continue to be "Mid Table" club! (I use the term loosely).

Sorry, I'm an Everton fan (Sigh).

SR


16 Jan 2013 14:20:19
It's been going on for ages, fans of other sides on here to 'provoke' the Liverpool fans. They think that they're here to mock liverpool in their 'terrible' current situation but what I don't understand, is why they have such an obsession with our club that they spend so much time on here.
The end of the day if we weren't percieved to be a threat no one would be bothered by what we say and do.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:11:00
have suspended all bets on who will sign Sneijder!! That's him off to gal then! Or is it? {Ed052's Note - Suspending bets means nothing. Something Sneidjer has said that he is not going to be rushed into a decision. However, it is highly likely a deal with Gala will be agreed}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 13:07:01
Thanks for today Eds!

Its Cheered me up looking at the replys to you posts

That they are a minority "even though a to large one"
and the majority even if some disagree with some of FSGs
Policies which is fare enough and sometimes warranted.
Have the best interest of the club at heart and like most watch and support their team as an escapenfrom work and life in general.

The Lunatic fringe can and have damaged the club.
Which is evident by the fact the people who bought the club dare not come anymore.

If that floats your boat good look to you to you "or not really"

Lyndon


Lyndon, you are just as demented in your defense of all things FSG as those people who rally against them.

You too are part of the lunatic fringe as well, it takes two to tango.

Dozone


Heard John Henry will be attending the Norwich game, that would kind of put the end of you arguement to be lol

K-Man


Is there such a thing as an iconic typing error?

;)

BigBadBen


That obviously wasn't a post of mine Ben.

Ozone


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:30:38
I am fed up with all these people coming on with who we should get in the transfer window, Torres, Schneider etc. all I need is someone to tell us that we have reopened our interests in midfield potential Michael Johnson as he is now a free agent (released by City). Please let's get a grip on reality and give the editors some rest bite from all the dross they are expected to answer. If we look back over the last two years the club have been fairly up front with what will happen in each transfer window. There will be no surprises!


Did we even miss out on Schneider? As in Rob? He would add some much needed slap-stick comedy in wide areas!


I'm still trying to work out what "rest bite" is! :-)

Matt S - YNWA


Matt s it's to do with Suarez, he's taking a rest from biting people. I'm here all week ;)

MIKEY


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:22:57
i got to be honest but after not really rating him that much i am now starting to think sturridge could become a quality signing for us and if he does can we give br a bit of credit as most seem to be quick to slag of his other buys, and i really believe borini will come good in the end aswell


rjc


As will Allen. Everybody happy to bash him but he will be a big player for us. Its just gerrard an lucas are ahead right now but Allen is still very young.

Also, I know my work went south when I had my first child. Lack of sleep does crazy things to a man. Give the man some time.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:09:48
My opinion is that we should applaud our club for acting carefully. Mistakes have been made in the recent past that have little impact on the pitch and a big impact on our bank account. We need to create a TEAM, not a pack of 11 individuals who are mismatched together. Adding Sturridge was a very good example of a adding a player who will impact starting 11 and cover a weak spot. He clearly is a force himself and he makes Suarez better. I hope we buy only 1 more player in this window and that should be a strong midfielder who can add some weight specifically in our passing game. This will fit well in with Sturridge/Suarez and make them stronger.
Let's not bicker at our club when we see another player getting signed by a rival, but let's instead hope that we are careful with our money and stay true to a concept that will build our team in the seasons to come.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:57:58
It's too much, i think iv'e got to take a break from this site. I can't keep watching the FSG out brigade continue to drag the good name of our supporters through the mud.

People don't want owners who manage spending carefully, or try to even out the wage bill.

No, people need a sugar daddy and want to be like Chelsea.

With all the money that FSG have spent, how is it possibly their fault that we lie in 8th place?

" In time their motives will become clear"

Pahaha. How much time do you want to prove they are responsible?

" It's all geared towards resale"

So? As a potential buyer, are you going to buy a club pissing out money from every orifice? Barely able to buy youngsters due to the massive wages put into place by previous regimes?

The irony of it is that is what we are now suffering from, a lack of responsible spending.


ED002 i feel sorry for you, constantly defending our owners against mindless scaremongers looking to cause panic and hate. I don't blame FSG one bit for not coming to Anfield this season.

If you people could back up your claims, it would be a different story. So, i implore you, please list to me, in a detailed and accurate way, what exactly FSG have done wrong, and how you would correct things!

If this is an argument that needs to be had, lets try and do it in a civilized manner, without name calling or abuse!

So Waro, Ozone and co, without swearing, please explain to me exactly why you feel the need to attack our owners, and attack people who think they are doing a bang up job!

Ed002, could you maybe explain to me what FSG have done so drastically wrong? I'm at a loss, and your as knowledgeable as anyone i know!

I look forward to an intelligent debate.

WelshBoyDave {Ed002's Note - I can see a few decisions about staff being wrong - I said at the time that Comolli would be a mistake (and I was in a very strong and knowledable position to say that). I also said I thought it wrong to give Dalglish the job full time. As for Rodgers, whilst I said that I was concerned Liverpool was perhaps a job too soon, he does now need the support of everyone. Await the start of the new Financial Year and the first Monday in April.}


Await the start of the new Financial Year and the first Monday in April? any chance you want to elaborate a little for us thickies {Ed002's Note - I think it is pretty clear.}


Look at randy learner at villa and look at fsg at least fsg are on the case.
we have to trust them


Ed i see you keep saying something about 1 april is when we see if were still lossing money or fsg will be selling or something else?
cheers

mike {Ed002's Note - We will see on the first Monday of the new financial year. Until then we wait.}


Ed02' if you don't post this I'll assume that I'm closer to reality than would prefer to be open on the site - if not, im down the wrong path it wouldn't be the first nor the last time...

1st April, fiscal new year, staduim investment, shortage of cash flow due to the economic position. Pragmatic, strategic owners, business savvy suggest either one of two things.

Significant (I mean £100 + million) sponsorship deal for the new staduim an renaming...

Or, partial market floatation to raise capital against Anfield and onfield development...

Not sure on that one since the LFC brand may have capital interest but the stake would be too great to raise sufficient funds.

So, I favour a 15 - 25% to raise working capital (start up works and payer investment). Followed by an agreement in principle over the revamped Anfield Statium naming rights for 10-15 +? years...

Anyway - i'm proably a million miles away....

No She*p Sherlock!


Ed 002 are you trying to suggest a takeover is on the cards in April? {Ed002's Note - I am simply suggesting we wait to see what happens in April.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 12:00:51
people moaning we missed out on remy make me laugh his record poor he will be another djibril cisse scorer of 0-8 goals a season and would have little chance off getting in our front 3

ajred {Ed052's Note - Firstly, Remy aint that good. If he cannot score regularly in a rubbish French league, he doesn't have much hope. And he is the opposite that our style needs. He is a big lump it up there striker, not a fancy thrilling passer.}


16 jan 2013 12:12:30
ed...did you ever knew about fabio borini before we bough him for 11 mill?
if in your exceptionaly footballing intellegence..
remy aren't good enough....what you call fabio borni purchase..
which style does he fit into...?
i can guarantee he wont score any single goal in the remainig 16 games for liverpool {Ed052's Note - Erm, of course I knew of Borini before. As a Welshman I watched him a lot at Swansea, especially when he guided them signle handedly through the play offs. I was gutted when he upped sticks to Italy and didn't stay with the Swans. On one hand, we have our younger, better, more skillful and more suitable player in Borini. Where as you want the poorer, older, worse and mroe expensive player in Remy. Bizarre. And I am certainly more than 100% sure Borini will score in the Prem this season.}


100% agree with Ed, Borini will prove himself. Hate these cheeky little ass hats that come on here and mouth off at the eds because they think every player every other team buys is better than our players.

Dan.


16 Jan 2013 12:31:29
Whoo hoo. A fellow Welshman!

And don't lie Ed, your just jumping on the Borini bandwagon, its not like you need to know anything about football to be an Ed. ;)
WelshBoyDave {Ed052's Note - Sorry, no, I knew nothing before being an Ed. Nothing at all...}


Borini is rubbish full stop. Headless chicken who can't get clean contact on the ball when he shoots. His runs are awful and gets bullied off the ball. 1 little cameo against United and he's a great prospect all of a sudden? What a waste of money he won't score he's pathetic {Ed052's Note - Total rubbish. How many times have you seen him play; or have you just judged him on one bad game?}


Borini's movement has caused quite a lot of space. Even if he hasnt scored, there has been at least 3 goals created by his movement as he dragged a defender away. The main example is when Shelvey scored those goals against young boys, he kept dragging the defender away so he had room to shoot.


HI Ed052

I always buy the Liverpool official calendar. It gives some clues I think.
Hey there is Borini, Allen, Downing and Henderson included in the 12 pics.
I know it is prepared and printed in September, but also no sign of Carroll. hmmmmmmm. aklfc


16 Jan 2013 14:13:25
You know i was joking right Ed? Or is your sarcasm superior to mine?
WelshBoyDave {Ed052's Note - you were joking? O! I wasnt...}


16 Jan 2013 14:25:40
hha...
ed are you kidding me?
how many times did we saw him play?..
just 3 times..before he was subbed 8 times..
y is he subbed every match...coz he is execptionally talented?? or we are protecting an exrta ordinary talent?
Ridiculous...We are not going to see him in the coming 16 more matches...
and you will have same excuse every year...how many time did you see him play?, how many time sdid you see him play?

and for remy...watch him this weekend..
if he don't score a goal more than borni...i wil never post anything here...

take this.. {Ed052's Note - I had seen him play about 10times, but mostly for Swansea. He was subbed as he was a new signing, young, and inexperienced. He is very talented, yes, better than Remy. I willwatch Remy this weekend. I doubt he will score. Borini is the superior signing. Stop moaning}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:41:31
I agree with FSG's policy of buying young talented players 100% it makes sense business wise and younger players are often more hungry BUT i believe we should be going for players like goetze, eriksen, tello, munian, strootman, sakho, isco because all these players would instantly add to our 1st eleven and also the squad and in most cases they will all improve more so then if you do cash in you will still make money.

Who would you have ince £6mill or tello 8mill euros?

I think players like ince are good but not great and also they would not get into the 1st team on merit i understand the players i have have listed would be expensive but 1 or 2 a season would be great and also all the fans like to see the foreign names.

Btw i would of also had sturridge on my list of players. Very happy with him and think him suarez and borini could work very well together.

Again just my opinion any thoughts?


SB96


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:39:00
anyone seen ayre new interview on lfc site looks like he's back traacking on wat he said oyher day saying we already have the right balance with youth and experiance. don't think we will be getting any reckonised players will be more cheep youngsters the club just needs to say it how it is stop giving false hope in stupid interviews ayre is just another pupett just like rodgers

mike {Ed002's Note - I have told you before, don't hang off every word said in an interview - it'll all end in post-misinterpretation tears.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:36:48
I posted earlier about FSG and Ayre and the nonsense they talk in the media. Here is a good example that has appeared on the LFC site a few hours later. There is just so much wrong with Ayres recent Interview I decided to point out what I believe are the hidden messages, all my remarks are in brackets and I'm interested in everyone feedback. I apologies in advance for bad grammer and spelling and for the length of the post, please stick with it.

Headline- Ayre: We've got the right balance
(Why should Ayre be the one spouting this nonsense, its BR that is paid to assess this and if he wants tell the media)

Ayre told the Liverpool Echo: "We may or may not add to that further before the end of January. That's something we're still working on and considering. We will only buy when the right deal is there at the right time. We will continue to add to the group and improve it.
(We are skint and if we get a bargain for the 3 million left in our budget we will definitely buy)

"You need to have a mix in your squad and we have probably got the best balance in terms of any team in the league. (This for me shows this man is delusional & deluded)

"Our two most senior players have spent their whole careers at this football club. At the lower end we have a bunch of five or six very young players who have come through our Academy process and are now contributing for the first team. (Out of the 8 players he talks of only Stevie G is anywhere near world class. Carra is finished and we are depending on five or six youngster to keep us going)

"Then we've got international players like Luis Suarez who could be playing anywhere in the world - but he's playing at Liverpool FC."
(He won't be for much longer if you keep spouting this nonsense, we nees to show suarez we can compete and play in the champion's league)

He added: "If you remember back to the sale of the club, John Henry said we want to win but we don't just want to win once, we want to build something which keeps winning.
(Im sorry but apart from a league cup we look as far away from winning anything as we have done in the last ten years)

"If we're going to do that then we need to do it from the ground up with young players, so that when you start winning you have still got the majority of that group to keep contributing over a period of time.
"It's not a policy which is set in stone but it's an aspiration.
(I'm lying here and hope you don't notice when I contradict myself now shortly)

"If we feel there's a particular position or player who can contribute to the group and is over that sort of age limit, it doesn't mean we won't consider that player. As everyone saw in the summer we renewed deals with many of our senior players. So experience is vital and we will consider more experienced players where it makes sense. (We see the value in experience player and we will consider but never sign older players and my next comment will provide insight into why we refuse to buy them)

"But where a player is younger and talented with the right level of ability, we will always go for the younger option because it's a better long term investment for the club to have someone who will be here a long time hopefully."
(So we actually do have a buy youth policy, contradicting what he said only days ago)

I do realise the negativity of my post but I am finding it hard to see positives. This may be just a personal thing where most of you disagree but I feel the man is just an incompetent spin doctor for FSG who is tasked with putting a positive slant on an increasingly worrying situation at Liverpool.

Please give some actual support to BR so he has some hope of getting us to champion's league.

K-Man


Parranoid or what, most people in life just speak how they feel or see things. I don't go into a shop and ask for 20cigs and hope he gives me 40 because that's really what I was implying. Why are people always looking for hidden agendas or secret conspiracies. What chance does anyone connected with LFC have of doing anything good when they are continually shot down. People need to stop, the grass is not always greener. I'm not a FSG or BR sheep, I'm a realist. I will support either or both as long as they are involved with LFC until such time as they give me good reason not to. YNWA Simonpw


Complete bull. YOU are the one putting your own spin on Ayres comments. So you're saying that he lied throughout the interview ?


K man have to agrre could understand if we were buying the worlds best under 23 talent gozte munian telo shackery from milan but were not were buying the like of ince assaidi wat they fail to understand is older players are worth more and give more wats to say youth are showing great talent and then don't make it witch many don't then that's a waste of money. at least with older you no full well wat your getting. hate to say this but im sarting to agree with alot that ozone says!

mike


Utter tripe and conspiracy theory. Don't you have anything better to do? Is this what we should expect now from the new breed of plastic fans?

ND


We don't have a director of communications, so Ian Ayre is just taking some of the pressure off our manager. Yes you can read between the lines and some of your comments are credible. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors until a massive error is unearthed. So basically no news is good news. I support the club no matter who plays, manages or owns it. That can all change but the realistic supporters will always be there for ever and ever. It's in the blood. aklfc


Nice to see that some of you can put together a proper response where as others decide because your opinion of someone within the club is bad your a plastic fan? explain that one to me
ND surely you have critisied a player or manager before, so in fact you are talking utter tripe!

And in terms of being Paranoid? I have just pointed out that in one interview Ayre has tied himself in knots with one contradiction after another, now you say your a realist? tell me can you honestly say your happy with Werners and Ayre and how they handle the media?

My main point was if they don't have money to build the squad don't lead us to believe that they do! Espcially by talking runbbish in the papers, tv and to whoever will listen.

To anyone who tries to question another fans loyalty or support to the club on a BANTER page for having an opinion needs to get a grip. I haven't once called for BR to be sacked or even asked to get rid of the owners, just that they need to learn how to run the club properly.

K-Man
P.s Keyboard warrior put a name on you post so you can stand by your post!


Hi Kman, would you prefer we announced we had a 100m kitty and bought no1, or had some money available and bought 1/2 or 3 who would improve the squad or said we had nothing and bought no 1 either. It seems every little word from the owners, IA or BR is twisted or disected to suit each individuals own agenda. Why not see what happens and give an honest appraisal as and when it's deemed necessary, ie end of windows, end of season etc. Simonpw


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:11:30
Its the same every window we are told we have money & targets but we will have ayre on the first of feb saying its a good window because we got sturridge & we will buy in the summer its like groundhog window . To the fsg lovers lyndon& the rest can they tell me how are we going to get a champions league place or challenge for the league with fsg wage cutting & transfer fees policy & to ed002 if fsg walk away will you please go with them you chelsea clown what gives you the right to talk about our club stick to chelsea how long have you followed them 2004 or 2005 bet you dindnt when they were getting 8000 in the prem under hoddle &bates {Ed002's Note - Posts like this do nothing but bring embarrassment to the club and the fans who do want to give their support and do want to see an improvement. You obviously don't understand the wages or any of the financial aspects of the business so I won't bother with that. And I would rather think your little attack on me has many of the Liverpool supporters cringing. As I said the other day, it is obvious to everyone from your post that you are a w*nker, just a pity your father wasn't.}


Lol what a come back ed, ive just spat my morning coffee over my screen, 'just a pity your dad wasnt' that's class haha just class. He will be to stupid to work it out tho. YNWA

Scottybhoy1888


The only clown here is you mate. As proved in your post, do you think because someone doesnt support liverpool they don't know what there talking about. Im a diehard liverpool fan but that doesnt mean i know the ins and outs of everything to do with the club you should sometimes just control your tantrums instead of making a show of liverpool fans.
#CRINGE

SB96


No i support the comments get of our page ed002 and take sunny and lyndon with you i bet they have never been to liverpol or anfield but tell real reds how to support the club {Ed002's Note - The idea is that you get others to support your comments. Supporting your comments simply makes you even more of a laughing stock.}


I can say I haven't always agreed with Ed002's opinion but it is what it is an opinion and that attack on him was just uncalled for. Ed002's right you have no clue what the club are looking to do. We had average players on high wages it needed to be cut and we only really started cutting the wage give it some time. We are not miles away we just need a few clever signing (note I said clever not £50mill). I normally think we seriously have the best fans in the league but then persons like you put that up and it reminds me that even some of our fans can be knobs!

LFC420


Ed - I believe these clueless nimrods are bitters who love nothing better than to put their Pinocchio noses into our club affairs, that's why I always ignore them. Waro and Ozone are a different class though

Singred


thebritvickid :)
{Ed052's Note - Thanks very much. We love the people who appreciate the site and add to it. The problem is most just seem to have fun abusing each other and being the biggest vegetables possible}


I've never realised a greater need for an 'Agree With Ed' button until I read this post and Waros latest spew. As Suggs once said 'Youre An Embarrassment'

cozinoz


You are Bullies always have always will be.
But you won't bully me. You and your Clan have with socialist agenda when it suits. But don't mind millionaires money if it on your terms. But once it's not to your liking you turn into a r******* Citizen Smith!!

Leave the fans who support the club to do just that. I don't mind people disagreeing with the owner policies. But your agenda is a lot More sinister.
ie- abusing owners wives and threatening physical abuse

I just pray you have not bred!!

Lyndon
Grow


Good answer ed. Ouch LOL!

Crowman.


Excellent reply ED002, posts like this do make me cringe. For 90% of the time this season, we have been playing good football, which has deserved better than we have got. The team is improving all the time and I look forward to the second half of the season. The Manchester teams will take the first 2 league places, but the 3rd and 4th places are up for grabs and we can take one of them

Northern Git


BOOM take it outta that, haha what a comeback ed, then he comes back with the aul "i bet you've never been to Anfield".. Give up your a laughing stock!
JJ


LOL! The old chestnut. "bet youve never been to anfield in your life!!

You simpleton. If your rules to be a fan are true.
The Club would have next to no turnover. Your mate's were on here talking about being the 5th biggest kit seller in the world.
Let me explain half-wit. If. You could support unless you are there every week the club would have no sponsors and no shirt sales.

You disrespect "fans" because can't be there every week. You sicken me and I guess your life outside football mirrors it's self

Lyndon


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:37:28
Eds, I've been thinking about what Rodgers said about wanting a "top quality number 10" type player, I'm not going to ask about a certain Dutch international, but more for your knowledge of who we have been looking at recently in that position? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - I would perhaps not read too much in to what Rodger's has said in relation to this window.}


He said top quality no 10 in summer


 

 

16 Jan 2013 11:05:18
why do clubs take so long buying people in jan when the price go up close you get to end


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:32:21
Hi Ed002. Please do not waste your time and energy defending the owners against some of the persons that post here. They will never understand any of it and let go of the unjustified hatred against the owners.

Perhaps when FSG get tired off all of this and sell via a flotation they will get what they deserve. And then if the club goes down the drain, they wouldn't even know who to blame or hate.

Sunny


16 Jan 2013 11:07:55
Go on then Sunny, tell us exactly why we have excellent owners. Myself ozone and a few others have listed on numerous occasions why we feel they are not running our great club correctly and have broken down in detail were we feel they have gone wrong and wot there motives are. So lets hear your case for the defence, and don't just repeat wot f$g have brainwashed you with, give us your assesment of why there good for the club in your own words.

Waro {Ed002's Note - I suspect you and Ozone have been sent to go to as many forums as possible to spread hate. These sustained campaigns by the Spirit of Shankley and a whole bunch of other flakes will potentially destroy the club rather than get it handed over to "the people" to run - or whatever naive target you all have. Quite frankly, why not just walk away now before you do any further damage to the club many of the people here love and take the AFC Wimbledon or FC United route where you can take the responsibility for running the club? Failing to provide any support to the players, the coaching staff, the management and the owners will take its toll on performances. I assume you fear Liverpool winning a game when your constant abuse will fall on, at least temporarily, deaf ears.}


Biggest problem I see Sunny is that all this misinformed rubbish that a few keep on saying about FSG (even when told they are talking nonsense by a Ed who is not even an LFC fan, hats off sir) will spread to less clued up fans, it is like the media nonsense about our club.

I also note that one of the posters who keeps on with this utter slating of owners, manager, players has a extremely anti LFC undertone to their posts, shame not all can see it. Could be seen as harmless fun but, one bad apple and all that.

K79


Problem is, Waro, all your arguments are based on suspicions, paranoia and worst case scenarios. If FSG announce the start of a stadium rebuild tomorrow, you'll look like a complete tool. If FSG pump yet more money into transfers this month to get us nearer the Champions League, you'll look like a complete tool.
By the way, if you check back on previous posts, you said in November that there's not a hope in hell that FSG will finance a goalscorer in January. You also said I was allowed to 'call you a clueless tool' if they did.
Daniel Sturridge is here. Need I say more?

cozinoz


Nice one ed well said, the two fools obviously haven't a brain cell between them!
JJ


16 Jan 2013 11:38:20
I'm telling you, there needs to be a burned by Ed button, cause that's funny!
Net spend top 10 last summer, much higher the year before, what are you hoping for Waro?
In an ideal world, what would you like to see happen Waro?
WelshBoyDave


What vitriol Ed! You seem incapable of tolerating other people's points of view that differ from your own. {Ed002's Note - They are not "opinions" being given but hate and smear campaigns and accusations of such things as fraud in order to build animosity within the community with a target of driving the owners from the club, as they proudly claim to have done with the previous owners.}


The Spirit of Shankly! Lol

The Socialist/ anarchist Brotherhood

Now the mines are closed along the docks
Boredoms set in along with one of the brothers pop career a mere memory.

Like wealth to be spread equally to the masses. Except when then want Multi-Millionaires who they "hate" to invest 100s of millions in a football club

Karl Marx would be proud of you lads??

Please go away and leave the club to prosper

LYNDON


Here here Ed I have the feeling that Waro and Ozone just like the sound of there own voices. I honestly think by your comments there and your dumb ass comments in the past that you really can't or maybe won't allow yourself to understand how much FSG have done for us. Holly ungratefull person, Im from Scotland and I see all the hurt in my mates eyes when there team called Rangers got sent to the 3 divison with a year transfer embargo and a team of boys. Did you want that to happen to LFC? Im struggling to find any postives in your comments on this site, never a good thing to say so maybe you should just dry your eyes and give it a rest, it really is that boring now.

Im not going list why I think LFC is being ran correctly cause in all honesty I don't think you have the brain capacity to take it in a process it. I can't fathem out why any fans would slate them to be honest, in simple terms the SAVED the F*****G club, no rich Oilagarch, no arbs millions but FSG bloody millions.

Eds Can you not stop waro and ozone from spouting this anti american, get the owners out BS cause its so, so, so, s boring. YNWA

Scottybhoy1888


I do not regularly post
but enough is enough
our owners fsg bought us when we were in huge finnancial trouble and saved us

fsg has given so much money on trasfers whether we used it wisely or not it is besides the point. They are stucturing the club in a way that in the future we can be finnancialy secure

What more could you want from the owners, pay more wages so we can be in even more debt.

be patient with our owners, with our players, with our manager for the sake of the club

YNWA


Dear Waro,

Let me first clarify that FSG have not brainwashed me with anything. I live in India ( an armchair fan) as some of you put it and i rather doubt that i am that important to the owners at this moment of time.

Also, there is nothing to defend here. Whether you like it or not, the owners own the club and they can do anything with it. Just like if you owned a business you are not accountable to anybody. They are not accountable to anybody more so to fans like you.

But still in the past 2 years, they have demonstrated a lot of good things, things that would be apparent to even a blind man.

1. Investing in Players - Around 150 million in 2 years - Check

2. Increasing Revenues - Check

3. Stadium News - I know you will say there is no real progress. But Moores had been harping about a new stadium for a decade. Atleast there is good news.

You really don't know what you want. You don't want a sugar daddy but you still want the likes of falcao. You want youngsters to come through but you still want the likes of sneijder. You don't want to sell naming rights but you still want a new stadium.

All said and done, we really need to ask ourselves one sincere question.

If not FSG, then what?

I hope I make myself clear


16 Jan 2013 11:47:48
Well said Ed002.. Getting a bit bored now of these 'so called fans' that seem to want to undermine everything being done. It might not be perfect, we don't have MCFC money but, we aren't Portsmouth either! Thanks to FSG!
Lets support the players we HAVE got!
ItsNotRocketScience


Waro

What the owners have done for this club has already been discussed to the death on these pages, but frankly, none of it seems have gone into your heads, so whatever we say is irrelevant.

The owners have backed Rodgers to near £40mil of new players; they are cutting away the fat (poor players on high wages); they are building an infrastructure based on emerging talent and experienced players - they do all these to make the club competitive and have a long-term future.

Ask yourself: If you are the owner, what would you do that will make you better than them?

Singred


Sorry forgot to sign my previous post

Sunny

Also, taking Ed002's comment further. You cannot give a loss making business to "the people" to run. Who will pick up the tab every month?


Ed2 You are a Hero!

FSG held an olive branch out to Shankly Gate rabble when they took over. They are a disgrace and even now hijack the Hillsborough tragedy for their own ends

If they grew up and disappeared the club and Fans would be much better off

CUBA Would be a good destination "BROTHERS"

Lyndon


A simple question to the fsg knockers - who would you prefer to run the club? What you have here is an outfit who have cleared the club of debts, ploughed money into transfers and attempted a sensible business approach. What alternative do you people advocate which would allow the club to buy quality internationals, push for champions league and indeed the premiership title and copete with the best in Europe? With fsg I can see it happening - maybe not now, but I can see it. With you lot, there is nothing but hot air, negativity and slating of the club with your short-sighted, narrow-visioned, vitriolic and unwelcome nonsense. We do not want to be cowed to the whim of a billionaire as their plaything but rather be a sensibly run club, built from the foundations up with an emphasis on the academy and youth policy and integration of other world class players - in fact, the exact same policy we had back in the glory days (including the passnmove football on the pitch!). Your alternative? Ummm... there isn't one, just slag off the lcub and masquerade as true fans. Well, on behalf of the 'true fans' let me tell you - you're not welcome and neither are your attitudes or negativity. you don't give owners, managers or even players a chance. You rag on new signings before they've kicked a ball, you call for massive changes without offering any solutions and you place yurself on a pedestal reckoning you are far above the rest of us. We can all express disgruntlement at times, disappointment too but your vitriol just goes further than that. Get a life.

Another rant over.

Red Mist


In reply to the first reply.

1. Given Youth a chance
2. bringing our wage bill down below 50% of revenue (means more spending on players in the future)
3. Saved us from going bust, 3 days away if i remember correctly
4. Have made inroads with increasing stadium (promises and never delivered from all previous owners)
5. Are making sure we don't look like soft touches in the market anymore)
6. Our commercial revenue has sky rocketed since they came in.
7. We are one of not many clubs in the PL who fall in line with FFP.

I could go on but i think my point has been made, Im not saying they haven't made mistake of course they have but Liverpool was their first venture outside american sport. But you have such a narrow point of view. Liverpool FC has been around for over 100 years and if we want to be around for another we needed to change things, we don't have CL revenue so playing players stupid money that are not worth it is not a luxury we can afford at the moment. I for one am glad we don't just throw millions and hope that some works out. I agree with the ED go support AFC Liverpool or something as that is probably the only way you will stop moaning.

LFC 420


Ok Waro lets break it down in simple terms. Say you get your way and x amount of fans stump up x amount of money and buy the club. Sounds simple enough really. So can you tell me then where the money for players, wages, day to day running of the club, matchday hospitality, police, security, transport etc comes from, as the case would possibly be that 90% of fans who would invest would probably only have the share price at most available to them. Who would be recruited as CEO, directors, treasurer etc. and Who would pay severance packages for current staff including coaches, managers etc. Where would the money come for new coaching staff etc. I would be very interested to hear all this. YNWA Simonpw


Ed002, There are two forums I go on, this and The Mersey Juror ( edit that name out if you feel it will impact on your site ) and regardless of wether you agree with my opinion on the owners or not I post and say what I feel is happening to my club out of genuine concern.

To call Spirit of Shankley flakes shows how ill informed you are, they took on and defeated some of the most powerful men in the US and some of the most powerful men on Wall Street, now was that for financial gain to themselves or were they just bored and fancied an argument?NO! They took these people on because of there love of the club, because it's our club and we will fight to protect it.

We will potentially destroy the club? So if it wasn't for people like myself and the Spirit of Shankley who protested against Hicks and Gillett our club would have been safe in there hands would it? We are voicing our concerns about F$G in exactly the same way we did with Hicks and Gillett, which fell on deaf ears, that left us with no option but to step up our protests in order for them to listen.

I will not go and support another side or form another splinter team to represent L.F.C. as you have suggested, I will not be driven away from a club I have supported since birth and have spent thousand upon thousand of pounds to follow around England and Europe by F$G or any other owner. It's MY club and I will not be bullied out of it or my opinion by yourself or the people on this site.

I could insinuate stuff about yourself and your angry responses in support of F$G Ed002 but I won't go down that avenue.

I wouldn't tell you how wrong you are and insult you if you posted responses to something you don't agree with regards Chelsea on there page, because they are not my club and I wouldn't dare tell you how to support your club, maybe that's were you and I differ.

Waro

p.s. I will be surprised if this gets posted but there you go.

{Ed002's Note - I think someone is rather overplaying the Spirit of Shankly if you thing they "took on and defeated some of the most powerful men in the US and some of the most powerful men on Wall Street". They are nothing but an annoying little supporters group that used bulk email, spam and threats as weapons.

Nobody is suggesting that Hicks & Gillett would have been good long-term owners of the club but the quaintly named "protests" you stepped up include one matter still under investigation more than two years later. The attacks and unfounded accusations you make against the extant owners are, as you hope, having an adverse impact with respect to everyone associated with the club - like it or not you and the others persistently attacking the Liverpool owners, manager and players are damaging the club. From reading other posts it is clear to see that you are gaining support from what appear to be the gullible and otherwise easily led – are these the target audience? You claim support for the club – so why are you seeking to do so much damage to it? Who do you want as an owner? Would a Far Eastern insurance company suffice?

Feel free to insuate things about me and my views on FSG - I would be interested to see what they are.

I have no idea why you have decided to mention Cheslea.

As for your postscript, the only posts of yours that I have cut is where you have made unsubstantiated claims against the owners regarding theft, fraud and the like. The is a transfer rumour site and whilst we can have some latitude, seeing it abused they way you do is not a direction we wish to follow much longer.}


16 Jan 2013 12:15:09
Awful and surprised...people are worried about our owners..
they just don't bother some of the rubbish players we bought haven't performed at all..
if we would have bought the right players for 150 mill we spend...you all would bi singing about our great onwers...


Ok Ed002, if you wish to ban me from the site, then that is your perogitive. If you could let me know if I'm to be banned so I don't waste my time posting that would be much appreiciated.

Waro {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure I understand your point.}


Ed002, you said at the end of your reply that my posts are abusing the site and not a direction you wish to follow much longer. Seems to imply that any more similar post and you will stop showing them.

Waro {Ed002's Note - There was no more an implication than "there comes a time" where we will have to draw a line across. If we do then I will of course say.}


OK ED002, cheers for the reply.

Waro


The thing I have yet to understand is how the SoS claim credit for removing H&G? Annoyed them, threatened them, abused them, spam'd them, sure. But they never left until RBS lost all patience and said 'pay what you owe or we take the club', and then FSG bought us and cleared all debt with 3 days to spare. And yet, Still, Hicks wanted back in to LFC or payment to go away. He wasn't scared off, he couldn't care less what anyone said, he wanted money.

Help me understand how SoS saved our Club, please. I'm willing to learn.

SpudRed


Spudred. Read 44 months with two cowboys, this should go some way to answering your questions.

Waro


Did you read that After Chairman Maos
LITTLE RED BOOK?

lyndon


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:31:12
I reckon it is a mistake not going for Remy and M'Villa, QPR signing them for a combined £15million, Remy, Sturridge and Suarez up top and Gerrard, Lucas and M'Villa in midfield is easily top 4 standard. Think that is the 2 positions we needed to strengthen as Joe Allen doesn't seem to be ready yet. Ah well, another missed opportunity i seems.


I guarantee you Remy and M'Vila would not do anything for our Top 4 fight. Remy is so bad even Gignac is ahead of him in the pecking order. As for M'Vila, his attitude is a disgraceful and exactly what the dressing room does not need, not to say he is overrated by people who have never even seen him play before passing judgement.

There's a reason they are going to QPR.


There are other french guys available, sissoko, sahko isnt getting a game at psg suppose these guys are now rubbish too?

sahko would be a great signing for us {Ed002's Note - Interest in Sissoko is ramping up with a little push from Aston Villa. Arsenal and Lyon have sustained interest in Sakho and there is growing interest from Newcastle, Inter Milan, Manchester City and possible interest lingering interest from Real Madrid and Barcelona. PSG are not keen on selling and he seems keen to stay.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:31:09
Damned United author David Peace to release a book on Shanks.

Lets hope there's a film.

DaveyBootle


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:06:03
Eds is there any chance we can get a creative midfielder in before end of jan, I feel we need some1 who can link up with our strikers, I really feel joe Allen isn't the answer for us as I never see him look up and link with our strikers etc he either passes back or sideways? What is your thoughts?


 

 

16 Jan 2013 10:05:21
Eds how come we missed out on M'villaand Remy, when we never had a bid or interest?also i heard Torres is set to return to Anfield, but not till April, heard it here 1st!

feehad


April the first presumably?

ND


The transfer window is closed in April . I hear darts is a good sport .


Zzzzzzz what's on the other channel?

cozinoz


We havnt missed out on anyone you tool, we have never been in for them.


16 Jan 2013 13:36:31
bit of sarcasm lads, liverpool play Chelsea in April!lighten up


 

 

16 Jan 2013 09:30:51
Following rumours of Cisse leaving newcastle and JA Risse leaveing Fulham i believe they might return to Anfield what do you think? {Ed002's Note - Seems like a plan but I suspect you have mixed up your Cisses.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 09:28:09
Listen Guyz FSG are good people but they are not blessed with money like Abramovich or shiekh Mansoor so that's the reason why we need to be self sustain club, they have even said in recent interview they didn't know how expensive was to run a club in england if they knew they wouldn't take chance, they even tried to sell us by flotation but for some reason didn't happen at the sametime they have backed us but their money was burnt first by KD and camolli even Rodgers can not Justify his Signings, Rodgers has spent more then 60+M and we are no where near where we should be. SO PLEASE LAY OF FSG {Ed002's Note - There was no attempt to sell by floatation - there was a vaulation obtained, that is all.}


Ed002 you said you will no more about fsg on august 1st do you mean they mite be looking to sell (i hope not) or have i misunderstood thanks {Ed002's Note - You need to go back and read the message - and then wait until April.}


Sorry ed morning eyes and no coffee i don't see why all the hate is pointed at fsg if they did sell us by flotation imagine how bad things could be we have good owners imo {Ed052's Note - Exactly. Without FSG we would be losing at Ipswich this weekend probably}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 09:18:15
Who would you prefer to join ? Sneijder (agree) or Eriksen (disagree)


Ozil in a dreamworld


How about both with sneijder playing as a deep lying playmaker and eriksen up front ?
El capitano


Both have a preference to join spurs! But its believed spurs are not interested!


16 Jan 2013 12:08:25
Eriksen is not a striker.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 09:13:09
All this talk about sneider coming, can you really see our owners paying this guys wages because I can't, to me they want to get all the big earners out of the club and bring in players who will be on £40-£50,000 a week {Ed002's Note - So you want Aquilani, Cole, Degen, etc back?}


Sneijder has recently said 'its not a money matter' referring to his transfer. Everyone is slating him for earning big wages but forgetting in 2010 he was probably on a par with Messi being the best player in the world. He's 28 and willing to take a wage cut by the sounds of it. The fee is under 10m for him and he would jump at the chance to play in England. No brainer but FSG won't do it. Spurs will probably get him and cement a top 4. What has happend to my club ??? {Ed002's Note - You will need to dig through the mails but I provided a lengthy update very early this morning in reply to a post.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 08:14:36
Hi there Eds & Reds!

376 hours before the transfer window closes. Seems like we better get a move on in signing our targets.

Cheers
Ani


 

 

16 Jan 2013 03:55:13
Saw a interesting report on Sky earlier.
It said that of all the players (all teams in the EPL) featuring in this past weekends games:
65% were foreign, 35% British (or closest to that).


 

 

16 Jan 2013 03:30:10
Tottenham have beaten Liverpool in the race to let Robbie Keane train with them for the next few weeks. Villas Boas looks smug during the interview. Watch this space...


16 Jan 2013 08:35:22
what race? to let a fat overaged player train. were really missin out big time


I have to ask why would we care about this piece of non news?

And how can you be beat if you wasn't in the race in the first place? It's like saying Mo Farrah beat Usain Bolt in the 10000m

Mike S


Cannot imagine that being that much of a Race!!

Can you actually have a race in your own?

Lyndon


Its halarious how many people on this site cannot pick up on sarcasm.


Wow people need to lighten up big time on this site your basic banter knowledge is becoming cringeworthy.

Mike S give yourself a slap.


Kopping a feel


 

 

16 Jan 2013 07:00:33
All this hatred towards the owners for their failure to spend money. Do these people forget the money they stumped up for henderson and downing for example? I believe they have more than invested in the clubs transfers and its a fact that we have thrown good money at some bad players. We are not finacially able to compete with the clubs in the top four.


Spot on mate, United, City and Chelsea can afford to make mistakes in the transefer market, we can't. We had our chance during the last 2 windows and in my opinion blew it - Outside of Suarez that is...


Can you explain why we can't compete financial with the top 4 clubs ?

The owners seem to disagree with you

Can you also elaborate on the net spend on transfers under the new owners ?

Some actual information on how Much the commercial revenues have increased and costs (esp wages) have gone down.

Good news was the new owners have not raised any finance on the club yet maybe because that kind of debt is not available anymore or they are just waiting until they need to raise funds for the stadium redevelopment


We can't compete with ths bottom 4 aswell, south amton out bid us for dorren, and i think gaston ramirez from uraguay, 2 player we were linkwd with, spurs beat us to dempsey and the sig, there has to be more, rom ince is going somewhere else i think,

get it into your heads no more buys or loans this window, and all the sponsorship money going to the red sox

we get lied to evertime ayres and werner speak about us having the money, wake up and smell the coffee ffs

mickey b {Ed002's Note - It is incredible the how far some of the Liverpool supporters will go in terms of embarrassing themselves in order to try and damage the club, the owners and the players. Southampton did not outbid Liverpool for Forren. I seemingly wasted the summer explaining that Liverpool were not going to but Ramirez, so take him off the list as well. None of the Liverpool sponsorship money goes to the Red Sox - it is a completely idiotic thing to say - or are you going to report this fraud by the club? It is absolute nonsense.}


I am so fed up with this point being made over and over again, yes we all know they spent large amounts on average players, they also recouped large chunks of that spend with torres and 15 others leaving, plus we have reduced the wage bill by 25- 30 million a year. The eds have adressed the running cost of the club but if we miss out on europe again it isnt going to improve.

My only issue with the owners is that they seem to "think" they are media savy. Werner, Henry and their puppet on a sting Ayre are coming out saying "we will have a good January" "we have the finance to get players" "we will continue to support brendan" and then they don't follow it up. Fans then get disgrutled and feel let down and the moral suffers. I was at the Arsenal game at the end of the last window and it was the quietest i've ever seen anfield and the players felt it too with a flat performance. In my opinion if you say your going to do something do it or keep your mouth shut.

No more broken promises or false dawns and the fans may start to respect you as owners.

K-Man


The net spend under FSG has been pretty good. It's not their fault Dalglish and Commoli pissed it all away on terrible signings.

Anyone remember when we'd tally up the money we'd get for 'deadwood' sales and discuss who we could buy with the money? That was under H&G, when we had to sell to buy. Just saying.

Adam


If you look a the money spent not excluding sales, we could haven't gotten a pretty decent squad. Money was wasted on average players. Like Allen, Borini, and Carroll.

Its more managements (previous and now) fault than FSG.

Dublad


16 Jan 2013 10:43:30
Adam mate if you talk about net spend in KD and Camolli case then you are going to loose the battle mate FSG net spend was 30-35M under KD and Camolli but in Rodgers case he had more net spend which is 60-65M


That just goes to prove my point. We've had money to spend and yet wasted it on a load of rubbish. It's not the owners' fault that Commoli had a warped sense of judgement or that BRleft it 'til the last minute to buy a striker we so desperately needed.

These owner have done a lot more than H&G. I feel sorry for them, they thought they were buying a club with history, culture and the best fans in the world and all they got was the history. How quiet is Anfield these days?

Adam


 

 

16 Jan 2013 06:46:57
has liverpool looked at will hughes? good prospect, young, relatively inexpensive, would fit into rodgers system.

drew {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 06:37:20
edd, it's already half of january, and we only have sturridge coming in, and cole and sahin out..supposedly this is the time for us to strengthen our depth..i am very disappointing with the january transfer so far..i think qpr managed to pull off better signing than we are..remy and m'vila..we need at least one def mid, one att mid, one centre def, and also one quality winger addition to sturridge..


So in short you want half a new team right..Do you see any quality in the market to buy do give me a call..


Well I want a new GK, LB, CB, CB, RB CM, CM RW, LW, ST oh and another ST bloody hell where do people think we're getting the cash from?

Mike S


I think Sturridge improves are starting eleven drastically, however your point on depth is correct, if we bring in one good player and get rid of three or four squad players we are still going to suffer long term espcially if we pick up a few injuries.

Praying for at least another 2 signings that can add to our starting 11.

K-Man


That's what my point is K-Man..we should have strength in depth..that's what other teams are doing..if we pick up any injury, then we'll be regretting this transfer window..


Re my post above I was being sarcastic!!! I don't really think we need al those players my point was where do we think we can get money from for all these players everybody wants!


 

 

16 Jan 2013 05:57:43
Hey Eds,

First time post. Now we have Sturridge and Suarez upfront who in your opinion, both already in the team or yet to come, do you think would be the perfect support forward to these two players?

Thanks in advance, great work as always.

Aussieyoda! {Ed002's Note - Borini.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 04:29:30
Due to recent reports could Riise be returning to the club? He could be a good option since he can play wingback or in a more attacking role. Has anyone heard anything?


I'm 57 and have a wooden leg, I am a better player than Riise is now, as you will see if you come down to Sefton Park on Sunday .


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:55:00
Went to the Blackpool Fulham game tonight and I am not sure if the cold was hazing my judgement but Tom Ince was ineffectual, getting beaten to the ball on several occassions, delivering very poor/weak shots and every time something didn't go right his head dropped. IMO he is not what we need and I say leave him to Swansea.

RedalLover


That doesn't matter pal. At least he'll have resale value and that's something we should all be over the moon about.

Ozone


Ince has looked average in the last couple of weeks. It would be sensible to wait till the summer to judge his performances. Imo we don't need him. Ibe should be ready next season. A front line squad of Suarez, sturridge, sterling, ibe, borini, downing/assaidi and one more striker if added in the summer would be deadly. We need another forward more than a winger.
Indian Buzzer


Ozone did bellemy have resale value ? did downing, no. If you hate the clubs transfer policy so much then why don't you buy the club That or else you can concede that maybe, just maybe, FSG have more knowledge of running a business than you do.
derryred


Shocked that people disagreed with you Ozone, must not understand sarcasm.

K-Man


Perhaps Ince is out of sorts because he has his heart set on moving to Liverpool


16 Jan 2013 10:15:29
Like Joe Allens resale Ozone?
WelshBoyDave


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:55:00
I love how everyone is banging on about how good Remy and M'vila are when they're about to sign for QPR...to fight for survival, and possibly in the championship unless they have a "get-out" clause. If they were actually as good as you make them out to be wouldn't they be joining a top club?

AsianRed


16 Jan 2013 06:15:13
Totally agree lad, only a week ago, both players were dead set against joining the prems bottom club and also refuse to meet harry, a week later and a offer af BIG wages, and a clause in both contracts that they have a released clause if relegated, if I was a qpr fan I would be a bit concerned, as they seem like mercenaries to me, plus what has remy done this season ? 1 goal earns you a £90,000 a week contract, given they were touted as £20 million players only last summer, so only time will tell, but as we know harry redknapp is a top manager and recent results seem to suggest another great escape from harry, let's see what they do in the last 5 months of the season, and whether they have come good or they are just there for the ££££££. As the father of 1 of my favourite lfc players (jamie), I wish harry good luck, but please don't say we have missed out on players who are only interested in £££££££.


True.

People are crying about lost targets and lack of ambition.
Forren - Saints
Remi-QPR
M'Villa - QPR
Sneijder - Galatasaray

Where's Man Utd with Forren, they need defenders. Where are Citeh, Chavski and the team that always poaches our players - Spuds?


Ramirez - Soton
Mirallas - Bitters


Spurs will only become interested when we do, have you not seen there activity in recent transfer windows

K-Man


Man Utd Need Defenders? What a ridilous post, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling & Jones = 5 Central defenders who can hold their own and before you mention injuries i guess that's why they have 5


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:51:28
Don't think we need to sign anyone until the summer. We have enough players for the rest of the season and can get value in the summer. Don't expect 2 players can get us any higher in the league...unless messi or iniesta.. Huyton red


Messi couldn't get us 4th


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:50:02
Looks like Sneijder to Glatasaray is to be finalised tomorrow lads.


We can only hope so

cozinoz


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:34:25
EDS what o you think about signing riise on a short term deal now that he has been told by fulham that he is free to leave. He could be one of the players with the type of character weare looking for {Ed001's Note - not for me, he was hard working, but never really good enough.}


I don't wanna sound critical because I know this is only banter site but riise? What were you thinking?


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:26:26
Sneijder hasnt played 1 good fotball match since south afrika 2010, and everyone says is a no brainer to get him... he wants twice the money our captain is on, and people still says FSG is stupid?
Dont get me wrong, i also don't like the poor financial backing and last transfer window ended, but blow our entire wage budgett on a player who played he's last good match 2, 5 years ago is just stoopid if you ask me...
yeah yeah i know is not twice the salary gerrard is on but im pretty sure he won't go under 2m a week, so is a no go from me.

Norwegian Red


 

 

15 Jan 2013 23:23:04
We should all remember and understand that this is Rodgers' 2nd season in the top flight. He needs time.

Jack D.


Liverpool is not the place to make your mistakes and learn from them. Liverpool demands that you get it right the first time

Yvonne


What? like souness did? like hodgson did? like kenny did second time round? like roy evans did? none of them got it right at all never mind first time It even took shankly a few years to get it right
jaycee


 

 

 
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