Liverpool Banter Archive December 16 2010

 

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16 Dec 2010 23:37:48
16 Dec 2010 23:28:59
I think bad results over Xmas and Roy could be gone. The owners can't be that stupid and think you can just throw a season away.

LAVERS
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That's the conundrum LAVERS we don't want bad results over Xmas. Then at the same time we don't want Hodgson. I think the perfect answer would be to get a new manager in the 1st week of Jan let him spend some money and sell some players. And try to finish at least in the Europa League places at the end of the season which is very unlikely under Hodgson.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 23:35:39
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In response to the following hilarious comment from one of the editors:

If I could get the man to listen I would, but no one is going to tell him what tactics to use.

I fear you may actually be in danger of believing that you really do have contacts at the club. Oh dear. A little hint: reality is what happens when you have your eyes open.

Red Owl {ed's note - erm you are completely misreading what I said, I think you are the one in need of opening your eyes. Or better yet thinking before you type as you clearly don't know how to read.}

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16 Dec 2010 23:28:59
I think bad results over Xmas and Roy could be gone. The owners can't be that stupid and think you can just throw a season away.

LAVERS

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16 Dec 2010 23:16:05
16 Dec 2010 22:42:50
I think the best time to bring a new manager in is now. We already have a few decent youngsters - Wilson, Kelly, Shelvey, Pacheco a couple just 12 months behind in Suso, Amoo & Mavinga. We have hardly any first team squad so a new manager could come in get rid of Poulson, Babel, Jovanivic, Konchesky buy a couple of decent players in January and try and use the rest of the season as building some momentum. In the summer get another couple of decent players and hit the floor running in August. We need a young promising manager who wants to play football and allow the players the freedom to express themselves.
What concerns me is that we are a laughing stock at the moment and NESV appear not to be able to make a decision that everyone knows needs making and that is to sack hodgson
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I posted yesterday and said i was starting to get angry with NESV. Like you say everyone knows that Hodgson is the problem (even NESV) but he is still there. Allardyce and Hughton were sacked by owners who know nothing about running a sports franchise. Yet still it looks like NESV will give Roy to the summer.

I'm not slating our owners as i think they will be good for us. But it's really frustrating to watch our club be dragged down and they seem to be dragging their heels on rectifying the problem (Hodgson).

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. Mike Ashley would've sent Roy packing months ago.

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16 Dec 2010 23:15:19
You might think I am mad but I believe that Ian Holloway could do a job. He spoke so passionately about LFC and understood what the club stood for. He's young but more importantly his team plays attacking football. They beat us away, beat Newcastle away (we lost), beat Stoke away (we lost), stuffed Wigan away (we drew). They play without fear - ok you think I'm mad don't yer

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16 Dec 2010 23:13:06
Do you think a lesser known English manager could attract the world class players we need tho ed?

LAVERS {ed's note - the club itself is all the attraction any world class player needs.}

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16 Dec 2010 23:03:14
I agree with you on that ed but surely you must fancy someone like guadiola (spelling) over clough.

LAVERS {ed's note - we have no chance of getting Guardiola and there are very few other foreign coaches that really stand out. May as well take the risk on an English coach as go for an average foreign coach. At least Clough would put the league first, I don't want another Rafa who prioritises Europe.}

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16 Dec 2010 22:53:13
I know people are calling for lower league managers to get the job when Roy finally goes, but do you think we can afford the risk? See were all ready falling behind other teams and if we got one of these managers and it went tits up we could be screwed for a long time.

LAVERS {ed's note - and if we get a foreign manager it is a risk that he might not adjust properly. Risk either way.}

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16 Dec 2010 22:42:50
I think the best time to bring a new manager in is now. We already have a few decent youngsters - Wilson, Kelly, Shelvey, Pacheco a couple just 12 months behind in Suso, Amoo & Mavinga. We have hardly any first team squad so a new manager could come in get rid of Poulson, Babel, Jovanivic, Konchesky buy a couple of decent players in January and try and use the rest of the season as building some momentum. In the summer get another couple of decent players and hit the floor running in August. We need a young promising manager who wants to play football and allow the players the freedom to express themselves.
What concerns me is that we are a laughing stock at the moment and NESV appear not to be able to make a decision that everyone knows needs making and that is to sack hodgson

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16 Dec 2010 22:35:28
16 Dec 2010 22:21:17
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I thought Voronin was a waste if a free transfer, then we signed Joe Cole.
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That's a bargin when you think we actually paid 4.3 mill for Poulson. The Juventus financial director is still laughing at us. I think his name is Vito Corleone it has to be because only a gangster would sell such crap for inflated price's.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 22:30:22
Sarcasm YNWA!

So you can take your boxing gloves off mate and do what Frankie Goes To Hollywood told us to do "Relax".

Blair Mayne YNWA
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Thank god for that, i though i was loosing my mind, although nothing would suprise me with some of the comments i read on here

A Very ''Relaxed'' YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 22:21:17
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I thought Voronin was a waste if a free transfer, then we signed Joe Cole.

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16 Dec 2010 22:10:11
16 Dec 2010 21:52:02
To BLAIR MAYNE these managers you talk about why don't we go for nigel clough hes up and comeing and crap.We need a world class manager for liverpool fc {ed's note - why is Nigel Clough crap? Because he has spent peanuts and turned a struggling Derby side around?}
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To be honest mate if i had a choice between Clough or Hodgson. The way we are playing at the minute i'd take Clough. I agree with Ed i think your a bit harsh on Nigel. He's just starting off in higher league management and seems to be doing ok.

My manager of choice would be Joachim Loew (Germany) but we've probably got more chance of getting Shrek of Man'ure.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 22:03:47
So you would give nigel clough the job ed {ed's note - I didn't say that, I just wouldn't rule him out because he is at Derby, after all he is only new at the job and has yet to be given a chance at a big club. It would be a risk if he was given the job, but at least his side play good football, so I would take him rather than Roy.}

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16 Dec 2010 21:56:58
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16 Dec 2010 21:23:43
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I am one those who had my dougts bout roy being our manager but fact is that the man is trying to turn a pigs ear into a silk purse. . .look at the players the man has to work with in his squad. .hardly inspiring if u take out riena , gerrard ,
meireles and torres. . the rest are either past it or just not good enough for our club and OUR aspirations.WE as fans are demanding a squad that has only 4 top players to out do manure(sic), arsenil,
chavski, spurs and mancitty. . our relistic aim is 6th with the squad we have and it breaks my heart but its true. .i think roy should be backed in january.
bring some quality(wide-pace) in january and take it from there. . go and attack teams. .review the situation in da summer if things have improved. . .if not.
roy go's. . .simple
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So can you explain why Owen Coyle's Bolton are doing so well? Have you seen the players he has?

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - Holloway's Blackpool and Di Matteo's WBA spring to mind as well. . .}completley agree with the two responses, roy could be forgiven if the team was playing well but the results were unlucky, as it would be only a matter of time before it all came together.
roy signed 4 players to go in to the first team, and only one has been succesfull, two don't even belong in the reserves.
coyle inherited the worst (footballing) team in the prem when he took the bolton job, and with the same players that played long ball under big sam are now playing some of the best football in the prem. . . . . . a job our very own sammy lee tried to do and failed big time. neither roy or sammy have a clue.

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16 Dec 2010 21:56:43
Fernando Torres is just about the only centre forward in world football that could put together the goals to games ratio he has at LFC considering the few chances he gets created .

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16 Dec 2010 21:52:02
To BLAIR MAYNE these managers you talk about why don't we go for nigel clough hes up and comeing and crap.We need a world class manager for liverpool fc {ed's note - why is Nigel Clough crap? Because he has spent peanuts and turned a struggling Derby side around?}

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16 Dec 2010 21:49:35
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Ed.if you get chance watch kop talkin rerun from tonight if you can intresting to here the panels thought on Roy , owners, and team cheers psvelnino {ed's note - I will if I remember, I normally plus it but it clashed with a couple of matches.}

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16 Dec 2010 21:46:03
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Just been looking through the Daily Blithe site, pretty funny mate, gained my vote of confidence. Keep it up lads. {ed's note - cheers, it has been a lot of hours of work writing those articles, I am just glad I didn't have to do all the pics as well!}

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16 Dec 2010 21:44:04
R.I.P LIVERPOOL AKA LIVERFOOL

ROY YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB! ! !
I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD DO AT BARCA :)!

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16 Dec 2010 21:40:48
16 Dec 2010 21:23:43
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I am one those who had my dougts bout roy being our manager but fact is that the man is trying to turn a pigs ear into a silk purse. . .look at the players the man has to work with in his squad. .hardly inspiring if u take out riena , gerrard ,
meireles and torres. . the rest are either past it or just not good enough for our club and OUR aspirations.WE as fans are demanding a squad that has only 4 top players to out do manure(sic), arsenil,
chavski, spurs and mancitty. . our relistic aim is 6th with the squad we have and it breaks my heart but its true. .i think roy should be backed in january.
bring some quality(wide-pace) in january and take it from there. . go and attack teams. .review the situation in da summer if things have improved. . .if not.
roy go's. . .simple
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So can you explain why Owen Coyle's Bolton are doing so well? Have you seen the players he has?

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - Holloway's Blackpool and Di Matteo's WBA spring to mind as well.....}

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16 Dec 2010 21:37:46
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Evening ed. Just watch lowlights from last night why does Roy play 4 4 2 but are furthest player forward is on the half way line got to press on there 18 yard box shorly , get the impression you are on the know at the club so could you get a message to Roy for me . Tell him to watch the mighty reds video from 1987 88 season that is how to play the formation defend from the front they can't score in there on half cheers mate , any thoughts psvelnino {ed's note - I am laughing at the lowlights comment! If I could get the man to listen I would, but no one is going to tell him what tactics to use. As he just repeats, they have served him 'well' for 35 years, why should he change?}

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16 Dec 2010 21:37:45
I honestly believe after listening to our owner and chairman's comments the other night, if we don't win our next four games and reach 34 points by the turn of the year we can forget any major additions in January.

My reason for this is if we achieve 34 points the teams above us will take points off each other reducing the gap to something alot closer to what it currently is. If by the new year the champions league spot is then up for grabs I believe the new owners will give Roy and Comolli a transfer budget plus any player sales to boost the pot. The players who have already been identified will be then be made public maybe 2-3 players all better than the ones who we currently have and who offer a better future for the club.

However I believe if we do not reach 34 points and are still way off the champions league spot NESV will withdraw the budget and then be prepared to write off this season and wait until the summer. Roy will be given to the end of the season to make do with what he has got, in the meantime the new owners will carry on the search for the world class manager our club deserves. A new manager will be appointed and given a huge war chest with a list from Comolli and his own personal appointments.

RedAki

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16 Dec 2010 21:33:21
Mushroom.I gave Roy a chance, I had some banter with Blair and Chris1 over the manager.Just let go.Roy is not the man for Liverpool.
Redeyedhector

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16 Dec 2010 21:28:23
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In my personal opinion i do not feel it will benefit the club by writing this season off, purely because if we lose out on 4th position and sacrifice champions league football, that will be two consecutive seasons without the financial benefits and the attraction the competition offers participants , especially the lure it provides new targets!
hodgson out, kenny, thommo and rushie in!

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16 Dec 2010 21:28:10
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There is a rumour that Christian Poulsen could re-sign for Schalke , Roy Hodgsonwould find a little favour with the fans if he transfered his own poor signings out of the club .

1977
to the person who put this, im not a fan of poulsen myself but i think he was bought as a cheap buy because they knew mascherano was going to barcelona and where hoping with barcelona's money problems that the deal wouldn't go threw and it obviously did, the scout had all seen poulsen a few times and obviously thought he is in our price range and with his experience would do well but his pace is letting the team down, he gave the ball away to much! so gotta go im affraid poulsen, also i would like to see honda, shawcross and a creative winger on both side who are not scared to take people on!

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16 Dec 2010 21:24:52
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To be honest i would of thought Frank Rijkaard would of been up NESV street because sticking with Roy they must be on drugs! lol

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16 Dec 2010 21:23:43
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I am one those who had my dougts bout roy being our manager but fact is that the man is trying to turn a pigs ear into a silk purse. . .look at the players the man has to work with in his squad. .hardly inspiring if u take out riena , gerrard ,
meireles and torres. . the rest are either past it or just not good enough for our club and OUR aspirations.WE as fans are demanding a squad that has only 4 top players to out do manure(sic), arsenil,
chavski, spurs and mancitty. . our relistic aim is 6th with the squad we have and it breaks my heart but its true. .i think roy should be backed in january.
bring some quality(wide-pace) in january and take it from there. . go and attack teams. .review the situation in da summer if things have improved. . .if not.
roy go's. . .simple

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16 Dec 2010 21:09:49
Welease woy

Jiminy cricket

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16 Dec 2010 21:05:25
16 Dec 2010 20:41:19
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I wish you lot would stop talking crap, all you talk about is forwards and wingers, what we need is a new back four and a good coach, sammy lee is a waste of time what good as he done at liverpool and bolton.hopefully roy will be gone after xmas and a new man in who the owners can trust with their money! !ll
timmo lfc
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If we all stop talking crap timmo you would be very lonely on this site me thinks.

I don't think you'll like this mate but i've got it from a good source we will sign Suarez, Wickham, Honda, A.Young, A.Johnson, Llorente, Turan and Hazard in January.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 20:57:08
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The way Woy has been rubbing his face recently you'd think he's been taking recreational drugs! That and his indecipherable pre and post match ramblings are a sure sign!
He's a nice guy but he's got to go.

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16 Dec 2010 20:56:35
16 Dec 2010 20:17:49
Hey Blair Roys not the messiah.He is a very naughty boy

Jiminy Cricket
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LOL

If anyone is wondering what we are talking about it's the film "The Life Of Roy" A comedy about a man who is mistaken for a football manager. Staring Roy Hodgson as Roy. Available now on DvD and Blue Ray for the reduced price of £9.99 at all good retail stores and bad ones aswell.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 20:45:09
I think a new manager would be prepared to use our young players , particularly the players already tried in the first team .

Unfortunately Roy Hodgosn seems to be inviting undue pressure onto the back four whilst asking the attacking players to defend more than attack .

It must be difficult for young players that are playing the correct way in the reserves only to then be exposed to Roy Hodgson controversial tactics .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 20:44:43
Ok Ive not seen this young winger being mentioned but believe me if he is even half decent at 16 and is a genuine winger he would be in my 1st team playing cuz if no body has noticed were not blessed with width or any kind of winger and we could end up nurturing a world beater but who actually thinks Roy will see it this way. He wants to build for the future and yet kuyt and maxi are on our wings ha. The man really is tapped then again at his age 30 is youth. Redchris

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16 Dec 2010 20:41:19
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I wish you lot would stop talking crap, all you talk about is forwards and wingers, what we need is a new back four and a good coach, sammy lee is a waste of time what good as he done at liverpool and bolton.hopefully roy will be gone after xmas and a new man in who the owners can trust with their money! !ll
timmo lfc

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16 Dec 2010 20:39:03
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Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson says players are trying too hard to impress - goal.com

If that's the players tyring too hard then god help us if they decide to relax more. . . we will get beat about 7 - 0 by wolves!

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16 Dec 2010 20:32:58
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I've wanted to know for ages why rijkaard wouldn't be considered! Good job Ed. Plus, the news that Sanchez may now be a possibility has made my night. It's about time we signed some flair players (can't see him dropping back into roy's back 9 when we lose the ball though! )

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16 Dec 2010 20:29:52
How poor were Liverpool last night - I ended up sky+ing the match 2nd half to watch the apprentice. Why are we sitting back at Anfield and allowing teams to bring the ball up to the half way line, before we make a challenge. I want to see our
team given the correct direction and freedom. Do you believe like me -The best form of defence is attack.

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16 Dec 2010 20:24:37
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After watch the game last night Danny Wilson looked good but seemed a bit on the small side for a centre back , his played left back before and we really need a good one? ?

ok his 6.1 but a very silm build

as for Kelly i think he should be moved to centre
back

johnson- -kelly - agger- - wilson

hows this look? ?

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16 Dec 2010 20:23:33
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Our best team
pepe
kelly skertle agger aurellojohnson gerrard meireles sterling

cole

nando

jones
carra
wilson
shelvey
kuyt
bable
lucas
this has got to be our best staring 11. (give sterling a chance hes a defenders worst nightmare) WHO AGREES

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16 Dec 2010 20:19:23
Another line for my Hodgson song.

Come on now (Roy) GO, walk out the door.
You don't touch the This Is Anfield sign & your not welcome anymore.
Weren't you the one that got Blackburn relegated.
We're watching our team sit deep and never win away from home.
"Oh no not I" we hear you say.
You even try to blame Rafa for the shi77y way we play "

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16 Dec 2010 20:17:49
Hey Blair Roys not the messiah.He is a very naughty boy

Jiminy Cricket

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16 Dec 2010 20:16:40
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Ed, do you think that we will be challanging for the title within three years?

If the answer is no then we may as well sell gerrard and torres as they will never see a title at LFC as there careers could be over by then. {ed's note - that is a tough one, it really depends on who is in charge, the right man could get us challenging immediately. There are no outstanding teams in this league at the moment.}

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16 Dec 2010 20:15:02
Ed do you think we should give sterling a chance the same way rooney owen fowler walcott sturridge rodwell all got there chance around 16 to 17 i mean hes defo better than our current winger and i mean all of them {ed's note - I think we should play at least one youngster in every single match, Sterling and Suso being the two outstanding ones.}

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16 Dec 2010 20:05:35
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BRING IN FRANK RIJKAARD ASAP
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We have been told on this site that this cannot happen because NESV know of an issue that makes his appoinment impossible. I'd love to know what the problem is. Anybody got a clue ?
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He's probably lined up to take the Man.City job. If and when it becomes available.


The reason that he will never be manager of our club is because of his recreational taking of drugs.

100% true

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Always noticed him having bloodshot eyes in press conferences and looking funny. People always criticised his "laid back" style of management, I think we know now why he appeared so laid back.

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16 Dec 2010 20:01:40
It was only a matter of time MUSHROOM you're to smart not to see our demise under Hodgson.

Like i said mate your seat is waiting. .

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Then let me park my bottom.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 19:59:34
16 Dec 2010 19:28:30
Yea fair enough mate but can you see Hodgson moving on to another club and winning League's and European cups Just like Cloughy did?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Absolutely not but then again, he doesn't have Peter Taylor as his number 2.
I think we will be Hodgsons last managerial job. He will probably retire.

MUSHROOM
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Or maybe the England job MUSHROOM?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 19:59:09
Really annoys me how the crappy English media slaughter Rafa Benitez and other Liverpool managers in the media when they're doing bad and things don't go their way, yet Hodgson is making a mess and playing awful football and he is actually getting it relativly easy.

Rafa gets beat and its "under pressure Rafa on the brink" or "Rafa tactical flop".

Roy is doing bad "Woeful Liverpool slump to defeat" or "Players add to Roy woes" - nothing rarely criticising Roy.

Facts are, Roy Hodgson getting the Liverpool job was partly down to a media driven campaign to get an English man into one of the big 4 clubs (Liverpool in the Summer). And they love their little cockney boys so of course Roy Hodgson won't be blamed for our position at all in Sky Sports and the like. It's all down to the players or Rafa and he's not even here now.

And the media are even giving our fans stick for opposing Roy Hodgson. Spurs loving pricks. One of the reasons I want us to win the PL again is to rub it into that lot. Would relish it.

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16 Dec 2010 19:36:30
That's what i was wondering MUSHROOM. I thought the word Judea was offending someone on the site or one of the Ed's.

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - if you haven't seen the film I guess it would seem like a dig Jews or Judaism.}

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Ed you should buy him it for christmas. No way anyone should miss out on this absolute classic of comedy of genious proportions. And now for something completely different. . . . . .

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I have asked him if he has seen it, if not I will take your advice, if he doesn't like that there is no hope!}

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16 Dec 2010 19:31:50
16 Dec 2010 19:18:36
I have never said he was the best manager since Bob Paisley. I would probably rate him higher than Shanks, I mean, what ever did that guy do?
Maybe Liverpool to Hodgson is like what Leeds were to Brian Clough.

PLEASE, someone tell me i am reading this wrong! Or is it just sarcasm? If it's not sarcasm then sorry but i have i million replys to this but why bother i'm sure everybody will do it for me! !

YNWA
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Sarcasm YNWA!

So you can take your boxing gloves off mate and do what Frankie Goes To Hollywood told us to do "Relax".

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 19:28:30
Yea fair enough mate but can you see Hodgson moving on to another club and winning League's and European cups Just like Cloughy did?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Absolutely not but then again, he doesn't have Peter Taylor as his number 2.
I think we will be Hodgsons last managerial job. He will probably retire.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 19:28:05
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16 Dec 2010 19:16:36
{ed's note - it always is, I have enjoyed watching the youngsters this season, which I can't say about the first team!}

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I'm with you on that. A shame they don't play more regularly. I just hope whoever comes in after Hodgson has the balls to give these guys a go. Let's face it Hodgson won't be around long enough as manager to see these kids progress.
There you go Blair Mayne, anti-Hodgson, but not in a nasty way. YNWA

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It was only a matter of time MUSHROOM you're to smart not to see our demise under Hodgson.

Like i said mate your seat is waiting. .

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 19:18:36
I have never said he was the best manager since Bob Paisley. I would probably rate him higher than Shanks, I mean, what ever did that guy do?
Maybe Liverpool to Hodgson is like what Leeds were to Brian Clough.

PLEASE, someone tell me i am reading this wrong! Or is it just sarcasm? If it's not sarcasm then sorry but i have i million replys to this but why bother i'm sure everybody will do it for me! !

YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 19:16:36
{ed's note - it always is, I have enjoyed watching the youngsters this season, which I can't say about the first team!}

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I'm with you on that. A shame they don't play more regularly. I just hope whoever comes in after Hodgson has the balls to give these guys a go. Let's face it Hodgson won't be around long enough as manager to see these kids progress.
There you go Blair Mayne, anti-Hodgson, but not in a nasty way. YNWA

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 19:15:13
I have never said he was the best manager since Bob Paisley. I would probably rate him higher than Shanks, I mean, what ever did that guy do?
Maybe Liverpool to Hodgson is like what Leeds were to Brian Clough.

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Yea fair enough mate but can you see Hodgson moving on to another club and winning League's and European cups Just like Cloughy did?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 19:11:49
Liverpool Rumours
Surely the owners won't wait till the end of the season?
playing that negative till then will drive us mad
and the future fans would of gone to watch paint dry
come on do it now

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16 Dec 2010 19:06:51
16 Dec 2010 18:45:53
See what Hodgson is doing to us mate? We are fighting amongst ourselves instead of uniting and fighting our common enemy "The People's Front Of * * *" h*ck me i hate them.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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I will try and accept your appology but you may have to give me time as it was a body blow to be called that.
By the way, I thought we were fighting the * * * people's front?

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Ed why all the stars? Have you never watched Monty Python?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I don't know why all the stars, I think the editor doing them obviously hasn't seen Life of Brian! One of the best films ever made in my opinion, even thinking about it has me giggling.}
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That's what i was wondering MUSHROOM. I thought the word Judea was offending someone on the site or one of the Ed's.

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - if you haven't seen the film I guess it would seem like a dig Jews or Judaism.}

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16 Dec 2010 19:02:17
There's that many MUSHROOM we'll just stick to what we know best. .

Hodgson is the worst LFC manager ever! (Blair Mayne)

Hodgson is the best manager since Bob Paisley! (MUSHROOM)

Blair Mayne YNWA

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I have never said he was the best manager since Bob Paisley. I would probably rate him higher than Shanks, I mean, what ever did that guy do?
Maybe Liverpool to Hodgson is like what Leeds were to Brian Clough.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 19:01:52
Liverpool Rumours
Ed did you watch the youth cup game against notts county, because as depressing as this is they played so much better than the first team. Some cracking pass and move football on show and they scored the goals too match.

I would want Rodolfo Borrell as assistant manager but then the u18's would not have him. {ed's note - we need to make sure that the players play that way when they graduate to the ressies and then again when they get into the first team. Someone who can work with Borrell and get the first team to play like that is needed, otherwise his work will be wasted.}

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16 Dec 2010 19:01:18
Liverpool Rumours
Ed I don't know about you but I can't stop worrying that we won't be able to attract any big name or up and coming players because of Hodgson being manager and the way he has us playing.
It's ok for us to go chasing great players but surely the majority would be put off by our negative useless manager!
I do feel though that when he does eventually go (SOON PLEASE!) we can then talk about these targets with some belief about not have to mention the likes of SWP, Carlton Cole etc. Ever again.

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16 Dec 2010 18:57:24
After watching the under 18's maybe we should get Rudolpho Burrell (spelling) in instead of Hodgson.
Ed that was the pass and move football we like.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - it always is, I have enjoyed watching the youngsters this season, which I can't say about the first team!}

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16 Dec 2010 18:54:56
We have an exciting youth team, with the S A S (Suso and Sterling)in our team.Can't wait for these two to progress to the first team.He who dares wins.Ngoo looks like he can make the step up as well.That was really enjoyable to watch. I think alot of these lads will come good Give Roys job to Borrell.That was a good game to watch.Very entertaining.

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16 Dec 2010 18:51:43
To think many of us were really worried we might lose Jovanovic to Inter in late June when it was suggested that Rafa was attempting to hijack his move from Standard Leige to Liverpool. Yet again we were brainwashed into thinking we were signing one of the greatest players in Europe. Instead we got nothing more than an ok player.

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16 Dec 2010 18:49:16
16 Dec 2010 18:33:31
Please accept my apology MUSHROOM i shouldn't call anyone Poulson mate it's to heinous. I also said that you lack a sense of reality sometimes which was way of the mark.

See what Hodgson is doing to us mate? We are fighting amongst ourselves instead of uniting and fighting our common enemy "The People's Front Of * * *" h*ck me i hate them.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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I will try and accept your appology but you may have to give me time as it was a body blow to be called that.
By the way, I thought we were fighting the * * * people's front?

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There's that many MUSHROOM we'll just stick to what we know best. .

Hodgson is the worst LFC manager ever! (Blair Mayne)

Hodgson is the best manager since Bob Paisley! (MUSHROOM)

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 18:45:53
See what Hodgson is doing to us mate? We are fighting amongst ourselves instead of uniting and fighting our common enemy "The People's Front Of * * *" h*ck me i hate them.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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I will try and accept your appology but you may have to give me time as it was a body blow to be called that.
By the way, I thought we were fighting the * * * people's front?

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Ed why all the stars? Have you never watched Monty Python?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I don't know why all the stars, I think the editor doing them obviously hasn't seen Life of Brian! One of the best films ever made in my opinion, even thinking about it has me giggling.}

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16 Dec 2010 18:41:17
Liverpool Rumours
Ed nutn do to with liverpool but a source said that Stuart Pearce will become the new blackburn manager, worth a bet lads at 25/ 1

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16 Dec 2010 18:33:45
Heck me that sterlings fast anyone know where he's from? I'd play him over poulson or kuyt.

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16 Dec 2010 18:33:31
Please accept my apology MUSHROOM i shouldn't call anyone Poulson mate it's to heinous. I also said that you lack a sense of reality sometimes which was way of the mark.

See what Hodgson is doing to us mate? We are fighting amongst ourselves instead of uniting and fighting our common enemy "The People's Front Of *****" h*ck me i hate them.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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I will try and accept your appology but you may have to give me time as it was a body blow to be called that.
By the way, I thought we were fighting the ****** people's front?

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:32:34
Liverpool Rumours
Taking Rafa back sounds like taking my ex-wife back. The idea of recreating the good times is appealing, but the issues that led to the split will always surface. No matter how she spins it, the w*tch is still crazy. Take this advice from a man who lived a little.

Take it from a man who has also lived a little (probably a little longer than you) I took my ex-wife back and it's the best thing I ever did. Sure the issues come up now and then but we get them sorted out in-house ans we are now at the top of our league. Bring back Rafa by all means - he did at least have feelings for the club, the fans, and the area and most of all he's the only man who ever had the guts to speak the truth about that character at the lesser en of the M62.
Mal 50

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Sir,

I was just trying to make a point. I am happy to hear you sorted out your relationship, but I was clearly using mine to give my opinion on the idea of re-hiring a manager who was let go in the same calendar year. By the way, most of the players who are under performing were brought in by Rafa. I don't think Roy Hodgson doesn't care about the fans; I believe he is just not good enough. And Rafa, although I agree that as a tactician he is better than Roy, was not good enough either. There are a lot of people who care about LFC, but that doesn't make them qualified for the job. It's time to move into another direction. Besides, things are not exactly going well for Rafa at Inter.

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16 Dec 2010 18:31:18
Only negative football prevented us from winning those games and it appears the situation is not improving .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 18:30:03
16 Dec 2010 18:21:33
Without the Blackpool , Wigan and Stoke result LFC would be 5th in the challenging pack only 4 points of the top spot , without the Birmingham result aswell LFC would be joint 2nd .

Roy Hodgson is annoying sometimes .

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I totally disagree with you 1977. Hodgson is annoying ALL the time.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 18:28:14
Anyone who's interested the highlights of the youth cup game is about to start on lfc tv.Sterlings goal is suppose to be worth watching.

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16 Dec 2010 18:28:06
Without the Blackpool , Wigan and Stoke result LFC would be 5th in the challenging pack only 4 points of the top spot , without the Birmingham result aswell LFC would be joint 2nd .

Roy Hodgson is annoying sometimes .

1977

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That is a very polite post.
Just imagine where we would be if we had won all of our games. Your right, he is annoying. :o)

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:24:24
Not to mention the fact we were the top seeded team in Europe for nearly 2 seasons. Since 2004 we beat Barcelona, PSV, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Marseilles, Olympiacos, Juventus, Porto, Bordeaux, Arsenal and Chelsea. We were a top team under Rafa particularly in the Champions League and we were never given the credit we deserved from the London biased media and press.

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I agree with what you are saying but like the teams you have mentioned, Rafa was more focused on Europe than what is our bread and butter. . . .the Premiership. This is the one we crave.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:24:02
16 Dec 2010 18:12:02
MUSHROOM listen to yourself mate you say

"He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

So what you yourself are saying is that the fitness coach picked the team last night not Hodgson. So please explain to me how you do not see this as weak. Don't forget about his grovling to other PL managers i.e Fergie, Allardyce etc. These are not things that a strong minded manager is made of.

You are entitled to your opinions mate (your posts are good reading) but sometimes you lack a sense of reality this is just my humble opinion.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. You're not Christian Poulson are you MUSHROOM?

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Well I was ready for an intelligent debate on what has been missunderstood in my post. And then you went and called me Poulson? I have never been so offended in my life, talk about below the belt. I have never resorted to dirty underhand tactics in my life. Where do you get off ;o)

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Please accept my apology MUSHROOM i shouldn't call anyone Poulson mate it's to hanus. I also said that you lack a sense of reality sometimes which was way of the mark.

See what Hodgson is doing to us mate? We are fighting amongst ourselves instead of uniting and fighting our common enemy "The People's Front Of Judea" f*** me i hate them.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 18:22:54
Liverpool Rumours
I can see it now another bid for carlton cole is on the horizon

f*** OFF WOY

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16 Dec 2010 18:21:33
Without the Blackpool , Wigan and Stoke result LFC would be 5th in the challenging pack only 4 points of the top spot , without the Birmingham result aswell LFC would be joint 2nd .

Roy Hodgson is annoying sometimes .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 18:20:14
Hodgson considers him to be one of our best and most important players. Let's face it he has improved greatly this season.

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Lucas was one of our most consistent players last season too. I would like to keep this guy at our club.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:20:04
ROY ROY ROY Boring boring boring. . . . . .

Look at A FEW of our results not good enough!

Liverpool 1-2 Northampton (took the lead)
Liverpool 1-2 Blackpool
Manchester city 3-0 Liverpool
Stoke 2-0 Liverpool
Newcastle 3-1 Liverpool
Manchester united 3-2 Liverpool
Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool (took the lead)
Wigan 1-1 Liverpool (took the lead)


would like us to sign the following:

2xCb: Mexes, Sakho, Cahill, Shawcroft, Kjaer, Muñoz or maybe Phil jones

1XRb: Santon, Azpilicueta or Richards

1XLb: Bastos, Jose Angel, Arman Traore, Lahn or capavila

1xCm: Ignacio Camacho, Yann M'Vila, Jack Rodwell Josh McEachran or Moussa Sissoko, Sergio canales, Bengea

2xwings: Eden Hazard, Paulo Henrique, Turan A.Young, Coutinho or Miralem Pjanic or Allbighton

2xStrikers: Romelu Lukaku, Bojan, Iker Muniain, Gomez, Gyan, Neymar or Bent

Out: Soto Kyrgiakos‎, martin skrtel, paul konchesky, lucas leiva, dirk kuyt, Maxi,
Loan out: Ngog, Kelly, Wilson, nathan eccleston and Pacheco

HOPE ROYS A MEAN WOY GETS WEPLACED ANYTIME SOOWN SO WE CAN WULE EUROPE ONCE AGAIN :)

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16 Dec 2010 18:19:28
Seriously fed up with all the hoofing from the back four last night.

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16 Dec 2010 18:16:52
Rafa Benitez won't be Manager of Liverpool again, unless Kenny Haung finds £1bn to buy out NESV.

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16 Dec 2010 18:15:34
Welcome to the posse Redeyehector we have saved you from the darkside. We've only room for one more in the posse and that is reserved for MUSHROOM.

Take as long as you like MUSHROOM mate your seat will be waiting.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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ha like it.
Just because I do not slag the guy off doesn't mean I want him as manager. Chris 1 knows what I mean I have had this discussion with him previously. Your making me feel all defensive now.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:15:10
Liverpool Rumours
Terrible game tonight! The more experienced players like J.Cole, Christian Poulsen, Ryan Babel, Milan Jovanovic and Fabio Aurelio needed to help the likes of Ecclestone and Pacheco and Wilson, but only Jova and Aurelio were half decent out of the older lot!

Hopefully Woy Hodgson will be sacked, and buy some cream for his face. .seems pretty itchy! And we should be able to get some decent signings in January, to help cement our place in the top 7, this season.

Big Summer Clearout!
Out. . .
Joe Cole - unless played centrally is terrible. 2million(from someone like West Ham?)
Ryan Babel - cash in on the flop, while he still has a value of about 8million.Can't control a ball to save his life.
Paul Konchesky - Bald. C* p. Terrible. Mistake prone. From Fulham(like Woy). Get him out. I doubt Accrington would even take him!
Martin Skrtel - Get about 8million for the lad, decent but too inconsistent and mistake prone.
Daniel Agger - Similar to Skerts. About 10million.
Christian Poulsen - can't set the tempo(as was shown tonight!)probably get a couple of million from a bottom half premiership team?
Alberto Aquilani - personally I thought he struggled at the start, but became sharper towards the end of Rafa's reign! Would like to keep him, probably go to Juve though - due to lack of first team football. 12million.
Stephen Darby - Wont play with Kelly and Johnson ahead of him.
Probs go to a championship side for around a million.
Jordy Brouwer - hasn't played for years! Sell him to some Dutch team for whatever!
Nabil el Zhar - our former 'super sub'. Sell him to a lesser team for a couple o' million.
Phil Degen - Definitely won't play, probably 4th choice RB now, so sell for 2million to Young Boys?
Emiliano Insua - Too fat, short, slow, no skill. Sell for about 4million to a Argentinian/ Italian side.

This money plus about 30million from JWH would give us about 70-80million. Save some hopefully, for younger talent, and the academies. Use some to strengthen the side, with a marquee signing.

Jamseyboy

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16 Dec 2010 18:14:10
16 Dec 2010 18:07:17
Liverpool Rumours
I would love to see Rafa benitez back at Liverpool, the 2008/ 09 season was some of the best football we had played in years, if he had the full financial backing that he needed then we would be supreme in world football!
For example he wanted David Villa and got Robbie Keane.
He wanted David Silva and got Albert Riera.
He wanted Dani Alves and got Phillip Degen instead.
He wanted Capdevilla and got stuck with Aurelio.
He also signed great players such as: Torres, Pepe, Agger, Pacheco, Suso, Kuyt, Alonso, Sterling, Shelvey, Lucas, Kelly and Ayala.
Finally, he understood what L.F.C was all about, he would'nt take bull of Bacon face (Mr.Ferguson), He would not blame the players and if we were 2-0 down with 20minutes to go he would not be afraid to change something.

1-Champions league
1-Fa Cup
1-UEFA super cup
1-Community shield
2-UEFA manager of the year awards
4-1 victory over Manure at Old trafford.
4-0 victory over Real Madrid
55.43% win percentage.

That is why Rafael Benitez should be Manager of Liverpool Football Club and Roy hodgson should not!
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Not to mention the fact we were the top seeded team in Europe for nearly 2 seasons. Since 2004 we beat Barcelona, PSV, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Marseilles, Olympiacos, Juventus, Porto, Bordeaux, Arsenal and Chelsea. We were a top team under Rafa particularly in the Champions League and we were never given the credit we deserved from the London biased media and press.

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16 Dec 2010 18:14:06
" That post proves that you are also ignorant. Extremly ignorant. "

Please explain :-

Did Benitez communicate with his players - NO.
Did Benitez select Harry Kewell for CL Final - YES
Were his tactics mind numbingly boring - YES
Did he lose the Psychological war with Demento - YES
Did we really deserve to win FA Cup against West Ham - NO ( only for Stevie G again ).
Did he know how to play the fans - YES.
Did he employ Zonal Marking ( which cost us a lot of goals).

Yes I am a not a fan of Benitez - yes in my opinion he dragged us into the gutter, Yes I believe his buys were unbelievably bad - any fool could pick a Torres or a Mascherano.

Is he a resounding success in Milan? - NO
Is he being found out for what he is in Milan - YES

After 50 years as a Kopite, yes I do have an opinion.

And if that makes me ignorant - then I am.

But argue with those facts and say it again.

Benitez played Liverpool fans for mugs - and it appears he still is doing to some.

John B

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16 Dec 2010 18:12:02
MUSHROOM listen to yourself mate you say

"He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

So what you yourself are saying is that the fitness coach picked the team last night not Hodgson. So please explain to me how you do not see this as weak. Don't forget about his grovling to other PL managers i.e Fergie, Allardyce etc. These are not things that a strong minded manager is made of.

You are entitled to your opinions mate (your posts are good reading) but sometimes you lack a sense of reality this is just my humble opinion.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. You're not Christian Poulson are you MUSHROOM?

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Well I was ready for an intelligent debate on what has been missunderstood in my post. And then you went and called me Poulson? I have never been so offended in my life, talk about below the belt. I have never resorted to dirty underhand tactics in my life. Where do you get off ;o)

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:07:54
16 Dec 2010 18:00:39
The Blair Mayne posse of Harry five year old and Chris who is only one.After great consideration and watching the team play, I have come to a conclusion that Roy Hodgson, is not the right man to manage Liverpool.
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Welcome to the posse Redeyehector we have saved you from the darkside. We've only room for one more in the posse and that is reserved for MUSHROOM.

Take as long as you like MUSHROOM mate your seat will be waiting.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 18:07:17
Liverpool Rumours
I would love to see Rafa benitez back at Liverpool, the 2008/ 09 season was some of the best football we had played in years, if he had the full financial backing that he needed then we would be supreme in world football!
For example he wanted David Villa and got Robbie Keane.
He wanted David Silva and got Albert Riera.
He wanted Dani Alves and got Phillip Degen instead.
He wanted Capdevilla and got stuck with Aurelio.
He also signed great players such as: Torres, Pepe, Agger, Pacheco, Suso, Kuyt, Alonso, Sterling, Shelvey, Lucas, Kelly and Ayala.
Finally, he understood what L.F.C was all about, he would'nt take bull of Bacon face (Mr.Ferguson), He would not blame the players and if we were 2-0 down with 20minutes to go he would not be afraid to change something.

1-Champions league
1-Fa Cup
1-UEFA super cup
1-Community shield
2-UEFA manager of the year awards
4-1 victory over Manure at Old trafford.
4-0 victory over Real Madrid
55.43% win percentage.

That is why Rafael Benitez should be Manager of Liverpool Football Club and Roy hodgson should not!

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16 Dec 2010 18:04:33
Its pointless being linked with all these young superstars pablo, mata, young, Hazard, Hernandez, Sanchez not to mention a few others that's not including some of the talent we already have the issue isn't the talent its the way thay get brought into the squad look at rooney he looked like a superstar in the fa youth cup many moons ago Everton brought him all the way through the system made him a global superstar over night then to put him next to the likes of Pacheco, Suso and Shelvey who got played like last night and look like lost sheep in the middle of the night my point is if we want to bring through our talented players we have to stop buying carp like Konchesky, Jovanovic, Poulsen, cole, and put trust in our young lads and these lads have hunger, talent, drive, their not on £90,000-£150,000 to warm our bench their on £5,000 aweek to play football not to drive flash motors and have big houses and have plastic girlfriends until we can sort out the first team why waste any more money we have a youth team who have won so much and have so much to offer let them be our futures not so over rated Spanish/ French/ German spoilt brat who wants more money and thinks he's bigger then then the club playing for this club should be much more then a job its a privileged

ramythered

what you think ed?

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I think you need to learn what a full stop is. By the way, if I was on £5k a week, I'm sure I could still afford a flash motor.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 18:04:00
Liverpool Rumours
16 Dec 2010 13:48:05
Liverpool Rumours
16 Dec 2010 10:10:39
Liverpool Rumours
If Real Madrid want Glen Johnson we should say only if you give us Sergio Ramos or Xabi Alonso in a straight swap!

Lets not get bullied in the market yet again.
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Why the hell would we swap him for ramos.Ramos is a worse defender and gives far less going forward. johnsons value is far more than romos

KOPFIEND 1978 YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 18:01:35
Uefa cup and champs league tomorrow

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16 Dec 2010 18:00:39
The Blair Mayne posse of Harry five year old and Chris who is only one.After great consideration and watching the team play, I have come to a conclusion that Roy Hodgson, is not the right man to manage Liverpool.
Redeyedhector

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16 Dec 2010 17:58:58
Ha ha - RAFA a good coach ha ha - he was so ignorant, he didn't even talk to his players - the man was, and still is a person - just look what he's done to an all conquering treble winning side. The only thing he knew to do was play Liverpool fans for mugs, and of course lose mind games to Red Nose Demento.

Every one comes back to Istanbul - FFS - he picked Harry Kewell in front of Didi, he won 2 trophies in 6 years, both down to Stevie G and the players - certainly not his mind numbingly boring tactics.

Stop with the bring him back sh*ep.

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That post proves that you are also ignorant. Extremly ignorant.

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16 Dec 2010 17:57:24
Liverpool Rumours
Hodgson needs the sack!
all lfc players are being rumoured out of our club and the suppose targets are no good (except honda)
what you think ed?
ynwa
dw

{Editor's Note: I don't understand your point.}

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16 Dec 2010 17:56:28
Ed - obviously you don't like people being described as " numpties" - or is that a love affair thing you have with Benitez.

You agree not to call him names, in case he comes back.

What else do you call someone who dragged our team into the gutter and left us there.

John

{Editor's Note: I have no idea what you are talking about.}

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16 Dec 2010 17:55:38
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What about young kieran gibbs Ed, he rarely starts because of clichy? he is only young, AND hes better than that flop Konchesky!
Also heard rumours glen johnston wants out and that inter and real Madrid are going for him? surley we can get something/ someone good out of that instead of being bullied out of it again?

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16 Dec 2010 17:55:15
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Its pointless being linked with all these young superstars pablo, mata, young, Hazard, Hernandez, Sanchez not to mention a few others that's not including some of the talent we already have the issue isn't the talent its the way thay get brought into the squad look at rooney he looked like a superstar in the fa youth cup many moons ago Everton brought him all the way through the system made him a global superstar over night then to put him next to the likes of Pacheco, Suso and Shelvey who got played like last night and look like lost sheep in the middle of the night my point is if we want to bring through our talented players we have to stop buying carp like Konchesky, Jovanovic, Poulsen, cole, and put trust in our young lads and these lads have hunger, talent, drive, their not on £90,000-£150,000 to warm our bench their on £5,000 aweek to play football not to drive flash motors and have big houses and have plastic girlfriends until we can sort out the first team why waste any more money we have a youth team who have won so much and have so much to offer let them be our futures not so over rated Spanish/ French/ German spoilt brat who wants more money and thinks he's bigger then then the club playing for this club should be much more then a job its a privileged

ramythered

what you think ed?

{Editor's Note: It is not possible to play all of the yougsters at once and expect decent results - and some are clearly not ready for the first team.}

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16 Dec 2010 17:52:02
ha ha - RAFA a good coach ha ha - he was so ignorant, he didn't even talk to his players - the man was, and still is a person - just look what he's done to an all conquering treble winning side. The only thing he knew to do was play Liverpool fans for mugs, and of course lose mind games to Red Nose Demento.

Every one comes back to Istanbul - FFS - he picked Harry Kewell in front of Didi, he won 2 trophies in 6 years, both down to Stevie G and the players - certainly not his mind numbingly boring tactics.

Stop with the bring him back sh*ep.

John B

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16 Dec 2010 17:51:34
16 Dec 2010 15:10:58
I think you have missed this person's point MUSHROOM. What i think he is trying to say is that Hodgson was told by our fitness staff that he shouldn't play Torres and Hodgson listened. After all Fernando is not injured but still Hodgson was told not to play him by our fitness staff. So we have found out what we suspected all along that Hodgson is indeed weak.

What next is Peter Brukner going to pick our team against Fulham? I suppose in hindsight Brukner would do a better job.

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We all have opinions and I stick by mine. Hodgson was, like the rest of us, disgusted at the performance at Newcastle. He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

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MUSHROOM listen to yourself mate you say

"He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

So what you yourself are saying is that the fitness coach picked the team last night not Hodgson. So please explain to me how you do not see this as weak. Don't forget about his grovling to other PL managers i.e Fergie, Allardyce etc. These are not things that a strong minded manager is made of.

You are entitled to your opinions mate (your posts are good reading) but sometimes you lack a sense of reality this is just my humble opinion.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. You're not Christian Poulson are you MUSHROOM?

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16 Dec 2010 17:50:34
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The German lad and Serbian lad have given some good info for us! Keep coming!

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16 Dec 2010 17:49:55
16 Dec 2010 16:00:34
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Why didn't lucas play last nite?
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Hodgson considers him to be one of our best and most important players. Let's face it he has improved greatly this season.

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16 Dec 2010 17:49:49
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When is the draw for next round of Europa?

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16 Dec 2010 17:44:35
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I know it sounds terrible but I am hoping Athletico go out of the Europa League, as it could give us a better chance of signing Kun, and dare I say it, Qique Sanchez Flores.

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16 Dec 2010 17:42:20
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Ed - i know every1 is just doin guess work on who will be coming in/ out in jan, but wot % gave we got of getting these players either jan or the summer - -

1. hazard
2. a.young
3. a.johnson
4. hulk
5. mata
6. banega
7. honda
8. coenctru
9. cahill
10 . llorente

p.s i know we aint guna get em all but imagine 4 of these players and with the right manager we could be title contenders next season. - my choice would be coenctru - lb, banega - cdm, a.johnson - lw hulk - rw/ cf

{Editor's Note: I am not going to try and put percentages on all - but numbers 1 and 8 I would put as zero.}

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16 Dec 2010 17:40:33
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BRING IN FRANK RIJKAARD ASAP
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We have been told on this site that this cannot happen because NESV know of an issue that makes his appoinment impossible. I'd love to know what the problem is. Anybody got a clue ?
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He's probably lined up to take the Man.City job. If and when it becomes available.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 17:39:24
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I beileve Eden Hazard would be a perfect edition to the squad allowing Dirk Kuyt to maybe play in a more central role as he is NOT a winger, Eden (Hazard) is youthful, pacey and has the burning desire to win besides having the skill to match these assets
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I always thought Eden Hazard was a central player (leading to many comparisons with Zidane) who played behind the striker, central midfield or a secondary role up front.

I don't think we'll ever sign him, but I sure hope we won't be signing him and shoving him out on the wing when he's a central player. Just another Joe Cole.

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16 Dec 2010 17:37:49
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Kelly- - -ayala- - - - Agger- Coentrao

G.Johnson- Meireles- -Gerrard- A.Johnson

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3 new players and push glen onto wing
£20m a player - possibly challenge for top 4 wit this team this season lol

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16 Dec 2010 17:36:57
Anythin on ireland Ed?
{Editor's note - They are struggling financialy atm. They need a bail out. In a very bad state}

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Politics as well Ed? How would you sort out the youth of today (Tom King) and help the country back into a vibrant economy?

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 17:35:23
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Apparently we our big target is Santi Carzola who i think is just as good as Pablo and maybe even Mata, and has been in brilliant form this season and could be and excellent person to feed torresis he the guy who plays for villareal? isn't he bout 28? {ed's note - I was just thinking he isn't young, so he will be at his peak now, seems the wrong move for me.}
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i totally agree wit you on this one ed, y buy him wen 1. he is 26 and 2. he will cost around the £12m mark. i agree that we should be looking/ going for sanchez - as long as utd doe come in we got a chance, mata/ pablo - former target and valencia need the cash so business could be done, turan - wants to play for us and is a quality player, or try and get a. young/ a. johnson - but aj is vry doubtfull unless he wants 1st team football.

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16 Dec 2010 17:26:06
I think the LFC should look to sell some of the players in the January transfer window .

Christian Poulsen need not play again .

The team could get by without Paul Konchesky .

Skrtel and Kyrgiakos would not be missed .

If there were offers for some of the other players that are not quite pulling there weight LFC should not hesitate to do business .

The reserves have talent that could be performing just aswell if not better that what we have seen thus far , and 1 or 2 new signings will have the opportunity to play often .

I have previously tried to defend Roy Hodgson out of the belief that LFC inspires people to do things the right way , I was hoping in time Roy Hodgson would develop a creative team using the long established LFC principle of Pass and move the Liverpool groove .

But drastic changes are now required just to improve on last seasons awful record .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 17:26:06
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Hi ed like to here your thoughts on these realistic transfer targets that i have come up with
ashley young
n zogbia
shawcross
cahill
mat jarvis
stuart downing
stephen ireland

my thoughts are we need width and pace young, downing, n zogbia, jarvis all have that and would all jump at coming to lfc now the deffence shawcross will be an england centre half soon and poss future captin reminds me so much of an young carra! ! now my two dream signings hazzard and benzimen these two with young downing or n zogbia and raul and steven in the middle we could be a force again am sure. also would be fantastic to knick gibbs from arsnal with the promise of first team football wot u think ed ?

reina

johnson shawcross cahill gibbs

young gerrard merriles hazzard

torres benzimen

{Editor's Note: I don't raelly like any of the players mentioned - and do not see Hazard arising.}

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16 Dec 2010 17:23:03
Bring back Mr benitez ASAP

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16 Dec 2010 17:20:19
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16 Dec 2010 17:13:30
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I think we can take it as party line now that Roy is here until the end of this season. I would suggest that NESV do not have high hopes for this season other than we don't get relegated. Almost certainly behind the scenes they are putting out the 'feelers' for the right man to become manager and will not move until they are certain of their man. . . . .
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I don't care what anybody says. Liverpool Manager is still a top job. Also it is a well paid job. A job that loads of people would want. I bet feelers and approaches have been made to people acting on behalf of some very big names.

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16 Dec 2010 17:17:50
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Anythin on ireland Ed?
{Editor's note - They are struggling financialy atm. They need a bail out. In a very bad state}

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16 Dec 2010 17:16:11
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16 Dec 2010 16:08:42
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BRING IN FRANK RIJKAARD ASAP
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We have been told on this site that this cannot happen because NESV know of an issue that makes his appoinment impossible. I'd love to know what the problem is. Anybody got a clue ?

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16 Dec 2010 17:03:18
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Ano roys screwed about but unless torrew or somenone big threatens to leave of roy doesn't then keep otherwise it will cause more unstability

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16 Dec 2010 17:01:41
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"Ive just heard Owen Coyle views on Allardyce being sacked. Cross him off the wishlist."

- -Are you out of your mind? He can't come to a press conference and say I am jumping with joy because one of my fellow manager Sam Allardyce got sacked, I am very happy, can he? Agree or not that was a stupid decision by the clueless Indian Chicken owners who know nothing about football. I hope Blackburn get relegated- -(PS they said they want to Bring Champions League football in Blackburn- - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL FOR CHRISSAKE! ! ! - - -somebody got * * * in the * *) {ed's note - why was it clueless? Because they didn't want long ball, kick-the-other-team-into-submission, football? That was why he was sacked, in my opinion it was an excellent decision and the sooner dinosaurs like Fat Sam are removed from football, the better for us all.}

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16 Dec 2010 16:59:26
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The burning question NESV have to ask themselves is:
WILL OUR AWAY FORM IMPROVE IF WE APPOINT A NEW MANAGER, THEREFORE PUTTING US INTO THE TOP 4/ 5. . . . . AND THE ANSWER IS? ?

feel free ed and everyone to add your thoughts to the above!

YNWA JFT96

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16 Dec 2010 16:58:39
I`m sorry to have to say this but after watching every game he has played in the first 11 JJ Shelvey will never make an LFC player as long as he has a hole you know where.!
How anybody can post on here that he is improving in every game and looks a real prospect is beyond me, he has limited talant and looks so unfit, this might account for his lack of speed and thought, my god he was less active than Poulsen last night.
He will be with us for a season or two and then moved on like Mellor and will do OK in the Championship.

Matt B"

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I hope the Shelvey you are referring to is not the one who plays football for us. If so, then you are talking out of the hole that is you know where. This guy tried to play football last night. His passing was good and he was always looking to create something. Is it because he didn't beat the whole team and score a hatrick? This is not Roy of the Rovers, this is real life. Shelvey is the ideal replacement for Gerrard when he calls it a day.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 16:55:32
Chris 1 .

When I think of the great LFC teams , in addition to their genius ball possesion and movement , it was clear that they all worked very hard for each other and tried to defend as a team from the front - all over the pitch .

I actually thought Roy Hodgson was attempting to turn the clock back a little , with 4-4-2 , strikers hunting the ball in the hope that the team would grow into there attacking strengths from the basis of a solid hard working defense .

However , I no longer believe he is looking after the best interests of LFC , the performance last night was embarrasing - the first line of defense stood on the half way line and the byline only reached once . Clearly attacking players have to be able to play with attacking intent and do their best work in the final third , Roy Hodgosn does not appear interested in that and therefore the players are losing interest in playing the ball successfully .

NESV is now a big opportunity for LFC but Roy Hodgson seems removed from the feel good factor and the creativity that could be in action .

Note : Though Spurs have not kept a clean sheet this season , they have been playing with 2 creative midfielders in the centre of the pitch , 2 out and out wingers on the flank with attacking full backs enabling the team to actively give it a go .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 16:51:42
"fast, creative, young and hungry wingers is what we need. ."
"young managers with fire in their bellies!"
"get behind the team not slag em off!"

God!
Endless cliches on this site.

Can we have some sensible postings please!? ?
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Nothing wrong with that at all. Maybe you should dry up and stop being a miserable sod.

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16 Dec 2010 16:51:24
Mate, we're not going to get a Boas, Deschamps or Flores if we'll be playing in the Championship next season - and, yes, that is a possibility under Woy. They're not stupid, I believe Roy will be sacked if we lose at Fulham by more than two goals. There are a number of people on hand to be caretaker managers - Phil Thompson, Roy Evans (my personal choice), Kenny Dalglish and we could probably convince Steve Nicol to have a go. That's a number of people who could easily sail us through this storm while a permanent replacement is being looked for, while playing football that looks Barcelona-esque compared Woy's dweam team.

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As bad a time as Roy is having, we will not get relegated. Stevie Nicol is a no no as the MLS league is poor and he would definitely be out of his depth. Kenny and Roy have been out of the game too long and would be a massive step backwards. Phil Thompson will just shout at everybody and make them cry.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 16:51:04
"Anyone for Holloway as new manager, at least his press conferences would be top entertainment!"

- - Not only that his football would be top entertainment. There's very few people who would say they don't like watching Blackpool play.

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16 Dec 2010 16:45:00
I know sad isn't it. but i do sometimes have to do some real work as well. luckily my job entails a lot of travelling so i can escape them sometimes.

But i have to say its getting really tough watching us lately. and i don't know if its me but its almost like we seem to be going backwards. i really really do try and find positives. but its becoming somewhat difficult

chris 1

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Feel safe in the knowledge that it won't last forever.
With how much anger and frustration Roy has shown over the last 2 games, do you think he is a man on the brink?

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 16:44:58
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"fast, creative, young and hungry wingers is what we need. ."
"young managers with fire in their bellies!"
"get behind the team not slag em off!"

God!
Endless cliches on this site.

Can we have some sensible postings please!?? ?

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16 Dec 2010 16:44:28
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I just read on the wishlists page someone suggesting we give Roy time and money. . I checked it again, then i pinched myself but there it was and i was surprised as i always thought people that stupid couldn't spell. . and were from Manchester!

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16 Dec 2010 16:41:08
I sort of agree with you. but if it was a correct decision not to play torres why even put him on the bench?

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Yeah I'm confused by that one too. Maybe to help Miereles eat his sweets?

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 16:40:13
While posts like these are fun for everyone, they are not at all reasonable. NESV are a patient group, and they will wait until they have found the RIGHT manager before they make a move. These guys are smart and will make the right choices. They study the backgrounds and personalities of people and will pick someone who fits into their philosophy. This means that we will have to endure a lot more of Roy while this extensive search goes on. I think they use the same tactics with players, so we will have to be patient through this rebuild. They do not like to make mistakes.i agree mate an i thinbk it can only benefit the club in the long run, it will take time but i believe it will be worth it wen we're back on top again
and if some ov the rumours are true an certain players want to leave let then because if u don't wanna be here an help wen things are bad the u don't deserve to be here wen things are good

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16 Dec 2010 16:39:36
While posts like these are fun for everyone, they are not at all reasonable. NESV are a patient group, and they will wait until they have found the RIGHT manager before they make a move. These guys are smart and will make the right choices. They study the backgrounds and personalities of people and will pick someone who fits into their philosophy. This means that we will have to endure a lot more of Roy while this extensive search goes on. I think they use the same tactics with players, so we will have to be patient through this rebuild. They do not like to make mistakes.

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Mate, we're not going to get a Boas, Deschamps or Flores if we'll be playing in the Championship next season - and, yes, that is a possibility under Woy. They're not stupid, I believe Roy will be sacked if we lose at Fulham by more than two goals. There are a number of people on hand to be caretaker managers - Phil Thompson, Roy Evans (my personal choice), Kenny Dalglish and we could probably convince Steve Nicol to have a go. That's a number of people who could easily sail us through this storm while a permanent replacement is being looked for, while playing football that looks Barcelona-esque compared Woy's dweam team.

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16 Dec 2010 16:32:00
More than the slow and sparring progress being made by Roy Hodgson , the team is still worse than it was the previous season , keeping Roy Hodgson until the end of the season could be too long .

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16 Dec 2010 16:31:40
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Please no more calls for Rafa to come back. I am very grateful to him for the success he brought to the club during his tenure and for his commitment to the city and community.

However, some times his tactics were absolutely mortifying, very negative with bizarre subs and selections.

Lets hope for a young hungry manager with a little bit of an ego, like when Mourinho first went to chelsea from Porto.

Need to spen big on three players, Honda, Llorentte or Suarez & Mata. Would inject some real excitement into the team.

In the Summer look to offloading some of the deadwood Poulsen, Jovanovic, Babel, Konc. Keep Soti he does a job as a third, fourth choice cb.

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16 Dec 2010 16:31:38
Surely last night should have been a chance to go all out to score 4/ 5 goals telling the lads we had nothing to lose and to let all negativity vanish and "Go out and enjoy the game & play football". . Instead we get the worst game i have ever endured as an LFC fan. I have tried to support the manager but the longer this goes on the more depressed i am becoming spending half my day at work trawling this site for any news if Roy is on his way but to no avail! Never thought i`d be saying this but "Roy do the decent thing and leave the club so we can actually start the rebuilding process! Any longer and its gonna be a massive job""

CoolhandLFC

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16 Dec 2010 16:28:28
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If Liverpool lose against Fulham then Hodgson to be sacked?

believable

Unbelievable

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While posts like these are fun for everyone, they are not at all reasonable. NESV are a patient group, and they will wait until they have found the RIGHT manager before they make a move. These guys are smart and will make the right choices. They study the backgrounds and personalities of people and will pick someone who fits into their philosophy. This means that we will have to endure a lot more of Roy while this extensive search goes on. I think they use the same tactics with players, so we will have to be patient through this rebuild. They do not like to make mistakes.

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16 Dec 2010 16:28:23
Milan Jovanovic is lacking in the requirements to impact from the wing in a 4-4-2 , it looks glaringly inadequate . He might actually work as an alternative or substitute for Torres in a 4-2-3-1 such is his build - perhaps a bit of a target man if given the chance .

I said yesterday Jovanovic must be embarrased to recieve £100,000 per week to do what Roy Hodgson wants him to do .

I think Roy Hodgson might now be trying to flatter to decieve , progress is arriving all to slowly and sporadically .

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Absolutely correct. .he will never become a winger. and he deserves his chance to play in his own position as you quite rightly stated alongside torres or a target man.

Only then can we truly judge his ability,
I am not having a go at roy honestly. but do you see what he is actually trying to do. and i ask that in all humility because i just can't see what the overall plan is at all

chris 1

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16 Dec 2010 16:18:41
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Frank Rijkaard's odds for being the next liverpool manager have been slashed over the last few weeks to 2/ 5. Roy will be given until the end of the season to prove his worth; unless he miraculously gets us into the top 4, he will be sacked. Any incoming players will be comolli's choice as Roy's time is limited; no substantial players will leave, and only a few players will come in, honda seems a certainty

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16 Dec 2010 16:17:40
"16 Dec 2010 12:28:24
I`m sorry to have to say this but after watching every game he has played in the first 11 JJ Shelvey will never make an LFC player as long as he has a hole you know where.!
How anybody can post on here that he is improving in every game and looks a real prospect is beyond me, he has limited talant and looks so unfit, this might account for his lack of speed and thought, my god he was less active than Poulsen last night.
He will be with us for a season or two and then moved on like Mellor and will do OK in the Championship.

Matt B"

I am a regular poster on here.
I simply cannot beleive that ANYONE with even a single thread of understanding about football could say the above!

Shelvey oozes class.
He has time on the ball.
Young and fit!

He would be snapped up immediately by one of the top six PL clubs if he left.
He was not bought by Chelsea, Spurs or West Ham simply becuase he did not want to go to them - he stated he wanted . . wanted . . to come to us.

The above poster is simply a clown!

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16 Dec 2010 16:17:04
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I was looking at boudebouz playing for Algeria vs England.He looks a good player, not at all fazed by Gerrard, and bossed Mr Barry.He can pass run and tackle.Actually he reminds me of a young Stevie confident on the ball. He is a Better dribbler but shooting not as strong.I would go and get him, as Stevie won't last forever.What do you think Ed, have you seen him.

{Editor's Note: He does not strike me as a priority right now - but I agree he has talent.}

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16 Dec 2010 16:12:45
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I was looking at boudebouz playing for Algeria vs England.He looks a good player, not at all fazed by Gerrard held his own and bossed Mr Barry.He can pass run and tackle.Actually he reminds me of a young Stevie. He is a Better dribbler but shooting not as strong.I would go and get him, as stevie won't last forever.

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16 Dec 2010 16:10:37
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I can't understand some of the suggestions for a new manager like o'driscoll, how will someone with little experience deal with all the ego's in the dressing room and can you really see experienced and seasoned players listeneing to a manager from the lower leagues, i don't, christ apparently woy has lost the squad and look at his experience and yes i know people will say look where shanks came from but look how football has changed it's all about player power wether we like it or not, i'd suggest somebody like van gaal or hiddink or maybe even ancelloti what do people think ?

Paul

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16 Dec 2010 16:06:17
No idea why we have not gave amoo or suso a chance in the europa league, they deserve a chance and should not sink to youth team level


i cudnt agree more mate, amoo has got pace to burn an cud trouble most defenders, not seen as much of suso tho

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16 Dec 2010 16:02:13
Sammy Lee was not an original boot room member. He was brought in to replace Phil Thompson after he fell out with Souness. So I have no affinity to Sammy.He should have gone with Souness and stayed away.I have never rated him as a player or coach.

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16 Dec 2010 16:00:34
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Why didn't lucas play last nite?

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16 Dec 2010 15:57:53
Liverpool Rumours
Will everybody stop harpin on about glen johnson leavin hes goin no-where and to the person who said hes the worst right back liverpool hav ever had

josemi
kromkamp
degan
that's jus 3 i can think ov that were absolutely w***

johnson admittedly isn't as good defending as he is attacking, but what he adds goin forward is excellent we missed that last nite

i personally like johnson and think he can be a great player for us

ed what ya thoughts mate ? {ed's note - I have to say I am not and have never been keen on Johnson, as much for his personal attributes as his playing ones. He can't defend, there is no doubting his ability going forward, but he is, first and foremost, a defender.}

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16 Dec 2010 15:54:38
I have watched quite a few reserve games over the past few seasons and Pacheco has been class, but every time he gets a chance in the first team he gets knocked off the ball very easily. There is no doubting his ability on the ball but do you think that the reason Roy isn't playing him is due to his lack of strength. Don't get me wrong, I want Roy out as much as the next man, but Pacheco does look a little weak on the ball. What does everyone else think?

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16 Dec 2010 15:54:07
Chris 1 .

Milan Jovanovic is lacking in the requirements to impact from the wing in a 4-4-2 , it looks glaringly inadequate . He might actually work as an alternative or substitute for Torres in a 4-2-3-1 such is his build - perhaps a bit of a target man if given the chance .

I said yesterday Jovanovic must be embarrased to recieve £100,000 per week to do what Roy Hodgson wants him to do .

I think Roy Hodgson might now be trying to flatter to decieve , progress is arriving all to slowly and sporadically .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 15:44:46
Liverpool Rumours
No idea why we have not gave amoo or suso a chance in the europa league, they deserve a chance and should not sink to youth team level

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16 Dec 2010 15:43:11
16 Dec 2010 15:27:08
Liverpool Rumours
1/ sack hodgson
2/ sammy lee to work with reserves
3/ kenny dalgleish to director of football
4/ phil thompson to head coach
5/ ian rush to assistant coach
6/ the liverpool way will be restored {ed's note - I am confused as to why you would want such a poor coach as Sammy Lee involved with the reserves?}

sorry ed maybe i'm being too sentimental, what with his roots to the club! but i should have explained more clearly, that he needs a menial role away from the coaching aspects and first team, rather than just sack him, a demotion to a very low profile role! {ed's note - ah I see, I thought you rated him and just wanted to keep him involved. How about an ambassadorial role? Anything to keep him away from coaching as he is clearly not cut out for it.}
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Lets face it Sammy Lee also failed as a coach of England with the 'golden generation' under Sven.

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16 Dec 2010 15:42:50
Rafa Benitez is a Champions League winner , and fortunatley for us he won it with LFC .

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16 Dec 2010 15:42:28
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I Had to listen to last nights match on BBC Radio Merseyside The show is called total football. . what we played last night was a million miles away from that

Deano95

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16 Dec 2010 15:27:08
Liverpool Rumours
1/ sack hodgson
2/ sammy lee given an ambassadorial role
3/ kenny dalgleish to director of football
4/ phil thompson to head coach
5/ ian rush to assistant coach
6/ the liverpool way will be restored {ed's note - I am confused as to why you would want such a poor coach as Sammy Lee involved with the reserves?}

sorry ed maybe i'm being too sentimental, what with his roots to the club! but i should have explained more clearly, that he needs a menial role away from the coaching aspects and first team, rather than just sack him, a demotion to a very low profile role! {ed's note - ah I see, I thought you rated him and just wanted to keep him involved. How about an ambassadorial role? Anything to keep him away from coaching as he is clearly not cut out for it.}


ed, that is an excellent suggestion, i have made the change to item 2, that should keep him out of trouble! {ed's note - sorted!}

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16 Dec 2010 15:39:59
Liverpool Rumours
God number 9 was again interviewed on Talksport today enjoying hospitality at Third Ashes Test in Perth with his Perth Glory team mates. I realise we have Suso but I wish Robbie was 18 years old and coming through to the first team like 1993/ 94.

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16 Dec 2010 15:39:55
Milan Jovanovic is clearly a 'Centre Forward' and should not be played on the wing again , he should be given a chance in the front line with Torres sometime - Jovanovic is strong , good in the air with a previous goal ratio .

We have seen Torres and Ngog - it was O.K

Now we should be seeing Jovanovic taking a chance with Torres .

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I quite agree. .jovanovic always has been a strong centre forward type. and we continually play him out of position. but then we seem to do that with rather a lot of our players

Why are we playing cole on the wing. he is supposedly a central playmaker. .

Lucas plays really really well for brasil as an attacking midfielder which is what he is

Roy wants pacheco to play on the wing? that's not his position at all

I could go on but you get the picture

chris 1

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16 Dec 2010 15:27:08
Liverpool Rumours
1/ sack hodgson
2/ sammy lee to work with reserves
3/ kenny dalgleish to director of football
4/ phil thompson to head coach
5/ ian rush to assistant coach
6/ the liverpool way will be restored {ed's note - I am confused as to why you would want such a poor coach as Sammy Lee involved with the reserves?}

sorry ed maybe i'm being too sentimental, what with his roots to the club! but i should have explained more clearly, that he needs a menial role away from the coaching aspects and first team, rather than just sack him, a demotion to a very low profile role! {ed's note - ah I see, I thought you rated him and just wanted to keep him involved. How about an ambassadorial role? Anything to keep him away from coaching as he is clearly not cut out for it.}

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16 Dec 2010 15:22:07
Milan Jovanovic is clearly a 'Centre Forward' and should not be played on the wing again , he should be given a chance in the front line with Torres sometime - Jovanovic is strong , good in the air with a previous goal ratio .

We have seen Torres and Ngog - it was O.K

Now we should be seeing Jovanovic taking a chance with Torres .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 15:18:38
With roys tactical play this season he might as well hold up big white flag at the start of every game, we can't attack because we can't defend skirtle, konvehsky come to mind, he has no clue were or how to play our midfielders, his substitutions have been mind boggling, roys transfer market buys have been the worst i have witnesses with poulson konchesky and cole.
with this man in charge even god himself can't help us

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16 Dec 2010 15:17:32
We all have opinions and I stick by mine. Hodgson was, like the rest of us, disgusted at the performance at Newcastle. He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

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I sort of agree with you. but if it was a correct decision not to play torres why even put him on the bench?

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16 Dec 2010 15:17:28
There is no doubt that Roy Hodgson is doing a bad job , but we continue to cling to the prospect that things will improve , we are trying to believe that it will improve - we have to believe that .

It is just a pity that Roy Hodgson is content to be fodder - as long as his team works hard in defence .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 15:15:41
Is that why you are no here. . . . . Sympathy lol

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I know sad isn't it. but i do sometimes have to do some real work as well. luckily my job entails a lot of travelling so i can escape them sometimes.

But i have to say its getting really tough watching us lately. and i don't know if its me but its almost like we seem to be going backwards. i really really do try and find positives. but its becoming somewhat difficult

chris 1

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16 Dec 2010 15:15:38
Jones was rubbish, i saw someone say they thought he was good coming out for punches? ?
Did you watch the right game?
I saw him come out and klinsmann his way over Skrtel, we already have on CB out, we don't another out because a useless keeper can't command his area or defenders properly

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16 Dec 2010 15:15:06
Could we trust Rafa Benitez to improve on his previous 6 years ?

Under NESV, then maybe. We have to remember under Hicks and Gillette, every time he asked for money, he was told to run along and sell to buy. Under NESV, that might not be the case; they would have asked which players he wanted and assessed each one.

Rafa could have worked well with Comolli. Rafa wasn't a good scout, but he was a good coach.

Rafa had way more respect in world football than Roy; he could attract quality players as he is a CL winner.

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16 Dec 2010 15:13:03
I think Roy Hodgosn is happy to be seen by the new owners as someone who will allow himself to be overuled in the hope that it will keep him his job longer , if NESV can and other staff can have more of an input .

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16 Dec 2010 15:10:58
I think you have missed this person's point MUSHROOM. What i think he is trying to say is that Hodgson was told by our fitness staff that he shouldn't play Torres and Hodgson listened. After all Fernando is not injured but still Hodgson was told not to play him by our fitness staff. So we have found out what we suspected all along that Hodgson is indeed weak.

What next is Peter Brukner going to pick our team against Fulham? I suppose in hindsight Brukner would do a better job.

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We all have opinions and I stick by mine. Hodgson was, like the rest of us, disgusted at the performance at Newcastle. He was picking a strong team out of anger and was told the error of his ways by the fitness coach. This does not make him a weak manager. My opinion.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 15:03:22
Ha. you think that's bad i work with in my office. .2 pompey supporters, 1 blackpool, 3 man ure, 1 qpr, and one complete utter idiot.

They are all to a man having a right laugh at the moment. every day i am getting abuse. its bad enough watching the rubbish we are playing without having to try and defend it

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Is that why you are no here. . . . . Sympathy lol

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 14:59:47
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Hogson has to be sacked if we loose to fulham. Its been said that the squad is not his own but look at his signings konchesky is rubbish, Poulson i rubbish merelis is rubbish too lightweight for the prem i remember the YAK pushed him to the floor like he was a kid if we give this guy money he will waste it on mid table prem players like brunt and davis we don't want liverpool to be a mid table club and with hogson that's what we are we need a big name to come and save us and keep our best players i wish i never watched the newcastle game i hope we loose to fulham because somthing will have to be done.!

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16 Dec 2010 14:54:55
I still believe the Liverpool Managers job would be flooded with applications from agents etc. if it became available. I think the names mentioned on this site in recent weeks are the main candidates - Boas, Deschamps etc. How about someone like Luis Figo. Like all Portuguese approaching 40 years of age Liverpool are their English club. I think he would make an interesting appointment, currently working/ coaching at Inter Milan. Another candidate could be Leonardo the former Brazilian midfielder and AC Milan Coach. Both Figo and Leonardo speak excellent English and look to play quality attacking football. i think both would be popular with the players. Like one ed. O' Driscoll has to be on the list of Potentials.

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The problem you've got is that NESV seem to not want to spend a lot of money in the transfer window, so not a lot of player ins and outs. Rafa left us with a lot of dead wood. Now I don't know where they are but there seems to be some kind of get Hodgson out campaign going on. The bloke has been in charge since the beggining of the season and has had to work with a lot of financial constraints and a lot of mediocre players. Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with the defensive tactics that Roy employs, but taking away last nights performance, there have been some. . encouraging displays shall we say.
Who will come in with no promise of big money and the average team that we have, and take the job when some fans want instant success. Which manager is going to leave a job to come to another one where they have to improve the team straight away or they will face a hate campaign?
If, for example, Figo did come in (who you have stated), started playing good football but we lost every game, how long before you wanted him out too?
By the way, the queue for the managers chair was massive before Hodgson was appointed wasn't it? Where were all the managers then?
I agree Hodgson is not the answer, but we need to patient with whoever comes in as it is going to be a rebuilding job.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - difference is that nobody wanted to work with H&G or follow Rafa. Plus there was the ongoing takeover that was clearly going to leave the man who took the job expendable. That is why there were so few people applying then, it would be different now, both Rijkaard and Pellegrini would have jumped at the chance to take the job. I am quite sure they are not the only ones.}

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16 Dec 2010 14:51:50
Liverpool Rumours
1/ sack hodgson
2/ sammy lee to work with reserves
3/ kenny dalgleish to director of football
4/ phil thompson to head coach
5/ ian rush to assistant coach
6/ the liverpool way will be restored {ed's note - I am confused as to why you would want such a poor coach as Sammy Lee involved with the reserves?}

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16 Dec 2010 14:49:36
I just got a phone call from a mate giving me a bit of banter about the match and LFC in general. "What is the big deal" I hear you say, he's a f* *ing West Ham supporter.

Blair Mayne YNWA
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Ha. you think that's bad i work with in my office. .2 pompey supporters, 1 blackpool, 3 man ure, 1 qpr, and one complete utter idiot.

They are all to a man having a right laugh at the moment. every day i am getting abuse. its bad enough watching the rubbish we are playing without having to try and defend it

chris 1

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16 Dec 2010 14:46:10
NESV on lfc tv the other day kept saying there is no quick fix which i completley agree with. .
But i hope they understand the financial implications of doing nothing in the nxt window. .
We will not get fourth place under the current mgr and players without adding. .
We will not be able to attract top players without Champ lge football. .
We will lose torres and reina if we show no ambition or improvement. .

We all know it's a HUGE job and will take a while but pls do not think we can't do things NOW. .

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16 Dec 2010 14:44:05
Some of the youngsters must be hitting a brick wall when they get their first team chance , after working with the esatablished LFC coaches at Reserve level and in The Academy , they then appear under Roy Hodgson in the first team and have to play negatively - that is foreign to the traditions of LFC .

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16 Dec 2010 14:43:18
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgson is losing it completely! I feel he should leave the club in order to save his health!

Since when has a manager given a doctor such power as to decide the team? He wants to play Torres, been talking about how he will field a strong side. . and then we get the team he put out on doctors orders?!?

In Roy's defence, the team that was put out should have beaten Utretch(sp.), we had a team of internationals out there and we could not put together any sort of pattern of play or create any meaningful chances.

If Ian Holloway and Owen Coyle can get teams playing high quality football, with supposedly poorer players, what exactly has Roy been doing since he's been here? He was also given money when the club was on it's knees financially, and its fair to say he wasted it, £10m on Konchesky and Poulsen? We have younger players who could do the same job - Insua, Shelvey, Spearing. He did well to sign Meireles, it was a surprise to say the least.

It is clear he has no idea how to manage better players, Torres, Reina, Johnson, Gerrard, Agger the "core" of our side just don't look happy with him.

We have missed out on the best manager available in recent times in Pelligrini, but the owners should look to the likes of Owen Coyle, Didier Deschamps, Louis Van Gaal, Javier Aguirre, Quique Flores and Michael Laudraup.

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16 Dec 2010 14:41:31
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Corrrrr hodgson is crap , bring in martin oneil atleast he will have a go a teams! ! our players are not performin cause roy can't motivate them (as rafa once said FACT.!

REINA
JOHNSON CARRA SKRTLE AURELIO
KUYT MIERELES LUCAS COLE
GERRARD
TORRES

IF THESE PLAYERS ARE MOTIVATED PROPERLY THIS WILL GIVE MOST TEAMS A GOOD GAME AND WIN ALOT MORE GAMES THAN WE HAVE

EVEN WITH SOME INJURYS WE HAVE HAD SHOULD STILL BE ALOT HIGHER , ROY CAN MAKE CRAP PLAYERS LOOK OKAY BECAUSE THEY KEEP THERE SHAPE, BUT TOP PLAYERS NEED TO HAVE FREEDOM TO EXPRESS

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16 Dec 2010 14:40:30
Could we trust Rafa Benitez to improve on his previous 6 years ?

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16 Dec 2010 14:29:16
I just got a phone call from a mate giving me a bit of banter about the match and LFC in general. "What is the big deal" I hear you say, he's a f* *ing West Ham supporter.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 14:23:53
Guys we all know roy hodgson is too defensive. .But guys we were saying the same thing under rafa too. . Players we feel should play and are not. .players not playing in there preffered position. Players fed up with the managers tactics. pointless substitutions. no plan b. .
Change needs to start from the very top. . .
we need a director of football(Kenny) to get a grip of the day to day running of the club. starting with the academy. we need to go back to our original football philosophy. pass and move used to be the LIVERPOOL WAY we haven't got a way now.
Cryuff set this up in Barca GET HIM OVER HERE NOW. pay whatever it takes him and Kenny need to have a good look at what we do wrong. .
Then look at what mangers and players would best be suited to this style of play and get them in. .
I know players shouldn't be treated with kid gloves the money they are on but we need to accomodate better. .to build a strong TEAM u all need to be pulling as one. .over the years i have heard from sources we don't do enough for our foreign players to help them settle in. and this has led at times to foreigners v english mentality this is no good. .

Come on Kenny av a word with Yohann

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16 Dec 2010 14:08:23
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Lets put things into perspective.
it does not matter which strike partner we get for nando, or attacking midfield players, because they will never fit in with hodgsons play not to lose policy, and new signings will soon become as demoralised with his tactics and playing style as the rest of the team are now!( apart from the tre semme girl , poulsen he's played for woy before, does it notice?).
so, the best thing to do is to sack him, before the transfer window, thus not damaging the morale of the team and newcomers! then King Kenny needs to be made director of football, Phil Thompson to be made coach, with Ian Rush as assistant! mock me if you wish, i don't care! we don't need some foreign manager to take us forward, we need a management/ coaching team who already know the traditions, the liverpool way, the fans, love for the club, and how to put the team back together, and restore the faith, this is the way forward.

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16 Dec 2010 14:07:28
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Ed I was wanting your opinion on something. One of my biggest concerns right now is one that Mr. Henry has stated on a few occasions already. The club has a much too large wage bill for such sub-standard players. I think benitez did very well in a lot of areas but this is certainly not one of them. Looking at our some of our squad:
-Joe cole £100k+
-Maxi £70k
-jovanovic £60k
-Babel £60k
These are the players who in my opinion are not really earning that big pay cheque. But how are we going to get rid of them. No one will buy these players mid season d'you think? But if we want to sign new players we have to some how get two or three of the above players off of the books.
What's your take?
Anfield rapstar {ed's note - I think we will be having to give away those players for peanuts to be honest, just to get them off the wage bill. But the savings would make it worthwhile to just get rid, never know someone might think Babel is worth a few, none of the rest will fetch much due to their age.}

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16 Dec 2010 14:07:25
"Pepe Reina actually helped me, " he said.

"He did say initially after the Steaua game he would give Brad a chance in the next one, then we found out that the Australian coach was coming to the Utrecht game so Pepe was happy to step aside even though he loves to play"

Words fail me. .did Hodgson REALLY say that?

So Reina tells Hodgson to play our reserve keeper because the Australian coach is watching and Brukner tells Hodgson not to play Torres.

This is getting beyond embarrassing, if I didn't hate Hodgson so much I'd be pitying him as hIs last strands of dignity are being stripped from him. Just resign you idiot and try to preserve at least some shame.

HODGSON OUT. .NOW.

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16 Dec 2010 14:00:39
16 Dec 2010 12:23:25
Both Pat Nevin and Stan Collymore proved that this is about the coaching that the players are getting at the moment from Hodgson and his staff and not that they are bad players. It is all so negative and defensive. Cole improved when Pacheco came on. I never really rated Cole that highly. But he is not a poor player and his career at Liverpool would improve with a more inspirational attack minded coach.
Hodgson was imposed on the club by Sky Sports and the London based press. He was apparently the best available from a poor lot. I think he should go. He is not good enough to manage Liverpool.
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Collymore has no Ulrika to take his frustrations out on and Pat Nevin played for the Toffees, not the most reliable to listen to. Cole is a waste of time, he believes his own hype. Babel, Poulsen, Cole, Jova, the senior players who the young ones are supposed to look up to, all played s* te.
Hodgson was imposed on us because he was the best candidate for the job at the time. Don't forget King Kenny was also involved in the manager search as well. Roy was the best out of a bad bunch.
Out of all the managers AVAILABLE now, who would you pick? Or would you wait for the right candidate to become available?

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I still believe the Liverpool Managers job would be flooded with applications from agents etc. if it became available. I think the names mentioned on this site in recent weeks are the main candidates - Boas, Deschamps etc. How about someone like Luis Figo. Like all Portuguese approaching 40 years of age Liverpool are their English club. I think he would make an interesting appointment, currently working/ coaching at Inter Milan. Another candidate could be Leonardo the former Brazilian midfielder and AC Milan Coach. Both Figo and Leonardo speak excellent English and look to play quality attacking football. i think both would be popular with the players. Like one ed. O' Driscoll has to be on the list of Potentials.

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16 Dec 2010 13:57:50
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - I thought Jones looked awful, he was nervous and always looked likely to make an error. I was very unimpressed with him myself. I do think a couple of the younger keepers have potential though.}

Fair enough Ed. I admit you probably know more about goalkeeping than me, but I thought he did a good job of coming out to claim or punch away a lot of the balls they put into he box. Albeit poor delivery most of the time. {ed's note - would be interesting to get a keeper's view of his performance, but I saw nothing that would fill me with confidence if Pepe were to pick up an injury.}

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16 Dec 2010 13:52:21
Bizarrely LFC seemed determined to play there football in there own half last night instead of going for the final third .

And . . Roy Hodgson complains about the tactics of Utrecht - sitting back being defensive etc etc etc .

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careful 1977 you are going to turn into someone calling for him to go. lol

Dont worry tho. i started off the same

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16 Dec 2010 13:51:41
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I've been a red since being conceived and i stem from a family who have always supported Liverpool, although there are a few blue noses, but i put that down to faulty genes. After watching last nights game, much to the annoyance of my girlfriend, she did say it'll be rap anyway, i am finally coming round to the fact that Roy Hodgson is not the man for us. Its not in our history to chop and change managers every few months and as much as i wanted Woy to be a success, it's just not going to happen.
One can ony hope this does not create a cycle of endless managers coming and going through our gates. As much as you tried Roy, it just wasn't enough.

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16 Dec 2010 13:41:06
Liverpool Rumours
Last night I was so depressed after watching that football, if you can call it that, I thought of what the team could have been if we made the right decisions and the owners put their hands in their pockets;

Reina

Alves Albiol/ Carragher Agger Arbeloa

Alonso Mascherano
Gerrard

Ronaldo Torres Villa

Depressing? All of the payers on here that have not played for us were wanted by Houllier and Rafa!

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16 Dec 2010 13:38:11
To matt b re jj shelvey not making it! i have to agree, the lad was at charlton and was looked at by chelsea, spurs, west ham, fulham, arsenal & qpr! all were not interested in taking the player to there mentioned clubs! does that tell you anything? please people don't insult anyone by claiming liverpool got in 1st! wot rubbish the london clubs were simply just not interested!

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16 Dec 2010 13:34:37
Bizarrely LFC seemed determined to play there football in there own half last night instead of going for the final third .

And . . Roy Hodgson complains about the tactics of Utrecht - sitting back being defensive etc etc etc .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 13:30:03
How long has this site been active ? {ed's note - the Liverpool only bit, just a few months, but the main site has been going for 9 and a half years now.}

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16 Dec 2010 13:29:19
Liverpool Rumours
First off, Ramos to Lfc!? No way. ! Why would he leave the best Madrid team for a while, to come to a developing Lfc side? Not to mention he'd be working with Hodgson and not Mourinho. .

Regarding the NESV live call up, I thought they handled themselves well and it was encouraging to watch. I personally believe they have a game plan for next season onward, and will use this season to test Roy and the squad and see what needs fixing from their point of view as to give them time to understand how the game works. .as it's very different from the MLB.

Saying that, I believe they're going to focus on the commercial side of LFC and try to massively increase our revenues. Now we have no debt (so we're told) this will be the key to allowing NESV to invest competitively with the like of City, Spurs, etc.

With that said, transfer time. It's obvious for this season not to get worse we need better players, simple as. NESV, Roy, fans, everyone knows this so it won't get ignored, however its not time to waste money. .

January: (Personal preff, plus guess work)

Wingers/ Att Mid's:
-K Honda/ S Cazorla
-A Young/ A Johnson

Striker:
-L Saurez
-Cleo
-B Krkic

Defenders:
-1 CB (G Cahill/ P Mexes)
-1 RB (Trade G Johnson for D Santon + £££)
-Bring E Insua back (Better that Konk. .)

Summer: (Formal rebuilding time)
-E Hazard/ J Mata/ A Turan
-Y M'Vila/ E Benega
-F Llorente/ E Adebayour/ M Gomes
-B Krkic/ R V Wolswinkel (injury setback)
-T Taiwo/ A Cissokho

The deadwood will go in summer, sqaud's to small as is to trim down, hopefully being:

Poulsen, Javanovic, El Zar, Kuyt (hate to say it, but unlessed deployed as ST, flog him!), Konchesky, Aurelio, Babel. I'd keep Skrtel as he just needs to man the f*** up! Remember how good he was when he first came and just boshed everyone around! Been missong that fight edge throughout entire team. .

. : LojR: .

PS: Ed, what do you make of the idea of, depending on Jan sales/ buys, making Kelly 1st pick RB and pushing Johnson up to RW? {ed's note - I don't see we really have a choice but to try it and see if it works. Last night would have been the perfect opportunity to test out the Kelly/Johnson right sided combination.}

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16 Dec 2010 13:28:10
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To Steve Parker:

I thought Mourinho threw money at Chelsea when he was there and ground out a lot of 1 - 0 wins when he was in charge. He is constantly in the media spotlight for one reason or another and has an arrogance that LFC is not associated with.

Do you really want this man to represent our people?

The long term under Mourinho? He doesn't seem to stay long term at a club either does he?

Just a few of my concerns if he came anyway.

Spriggos mate of a mate of a mate

In reply to the above, the reason why we don't win anything is because are manager does not have any arrogance! Bill Shankly was extremley proud and instilled massive confidence in his side which can be viewed as and in my book is arrogance which we dearly miss i.e. 'If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.' 'In my time at Anfield we always said we had the best two teams on Merseyside - Liverpool and Liverpool reserves.' About the 'This is Anfield' plaque - 'This is to remind our lads who they're playing for, and to remind the opposition who they're playing against.' On hearing a rival manager was unwell - 'I know what's wrong - he's got a bad side!'

Not saying they are identical but Mourinho is more like Shankly than Roy with ever be. FACT

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16 Dec 2010 13:24:22
I just hope that LFC sign some specialised talent that will make a first team position their own , squad players and versatile players the club already has numerously .

1977

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16 Dec 2010 13:17:54
The only reason woy didn't play torres, mirelles and a few other more experienced players is because the man is hanging on to his job by a thread and he knows if he had picked a strong team and lost he would be signing on this morning, i think if roy does not win his next 3 games hes out,
the man is a babbling idiot and completly out of his depth, he should hold his head up high and just walk before he gets sacked, he will never win over the anfield faithfull ever.

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16 Dec 2010 12:56:50
One positive I can see from last night, Brad Jones looks a good keeper. Of course not Pepe level but a capable 2nd choice. Still don't know if he was necessary. Probably would have preferred Bouzanis or Gulacsi moving into the 2nd keeper role. What's your opinion of our squad keepers Ed?
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - I thought Jones looked awful, he was nervous and always looked likely to make an error. I was very unimpressed with him myself. I do think a couple of the younger keepers have potential though.}

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16 Dec 2010 12:51:08
What player in a sane state of mind would want to come to liverpool after watcing us over the season, and with a manager like ours we have no chace of getting any decent players, i heard hodgson wants bentley to follow carltone cole has this hapens then power league football is on the agenda next season

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16 Dec 2010 12:49:40
Ive just heard Owen Coyle views on Allardyce being sacked. Cross him off the wishlist.

Spriggo

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16 Dec 2010 12:47:23
Calling Poulson a donkey is an insult to the Donkey.

Ha ha I love this comment, I would actually prefer a donkey in the middle of the field than Poulson. He gives the ball away 99.9% of the time and thew 0.1% must have hit a bobble in the ground. Awful signing

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16 Dec 2010 12:47:14
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16 Dec 2010 10:38:37
For the first time ever in over thirty years of watching Liverpool, I fell asleep 20 minutes before the final whistle. 'nuff said.

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16 Dec 2010 12:45:43
YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT? did you even watch the game you tool. What was babel meant to do when the whole plan with hodgson is to sit deep? babel was forced to create chances by himself god you're a total fool bob the red i mean wow? babel and eccleston just chased ball all game and watched the utrecht defence pass it? then hoof it i know how fustraiting it is for a striker to play in that sort of game believe me i used to play for barnet quite when i was 26. So do one.

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I am going to have to stick up for Bob the Red here as Babel was a complete waste of a red jersey. OK the tactics weren't brilliant, but everytime Babel had the ball he tried to cut inside and then he would give it away. Or his first touch would be a pass to the opposition. Babel has been poor ever since he has been here. He needs to be moved on for him to reserect his career somewhere else.

MUSHROOM

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Yer i agree see yer Babel

Spriggo

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16 Dec 2010 12:39:12
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After watching Liverpool for the last 40 years I, ve got to tell the world last night was a complete and utter disgrace and an embarrassment , how poor a manager have we got who plays such a cr*p formation against a Dutch 2nd division side in a game that means nothing to anyone in a ground full of kids who all wanted to see 4-3 - get that gobsh*te woy out of our club

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There not second division . they play in the eredivisie . second division is called jupiler league. . and there top 8 in holland. although

you are right. . it is an embarrassment. we should of rolled them

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16 Dec 2010 12:36:23
Any world class manager would have told his players to go out there and enjoy themselves, score goals, show ur potential! We showed none of that. If woy can ever get his face out of his hands and realizes he is f* * * up the best loved club in the country and leave. Leave NOW! !

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16 Dec 2010 12:32:48
I remember watching last night quite a few time that our whole team was inside our own half. Does anybody see the point in playing young lads to get them to sit back behind the ball? Me an me mates could go out there and do that, all that is is numbers behind the ball. He hasnt learned much about the lads who played last night because he won't free them to play their game. Pacecho must have took his own direction as he looked a class apart with some of his balls.

I cannot see us going anywhere under this manager.

Time for a change.

Spriggo

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I can understand why wee played like that under Rafa. . . .Rafa is Europe's best manager tactically and in terms of strategy. . . .The way he prepares his team in terms of strategy and instruction is the best. . .

I remember Rafa got outplayed tactically by Guus Hiddink in 2009 in the first leg of Champions League QF. . .He came out fighting in the second leg at Stamford Bridge. . . .The match ended 4-4. . . We ended up holding our heads high. . . .

Roy Hodson is a novice compared to Rafa. . . Dead rubber. . . We are at home. . . And he sends the team out to defend at home. . . . . .Disgusting. . . They should replace him. . . .He will do a good job as a manager for the English national team. . . Anyways the media doesn't want a good manager. . . . Let him fill the position. . .

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16 Dec 2010 12:28:48
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The thing with Rafa was that, although the style of football was quite dull, it got us results. We must remember that he got us to 2 CL finals, an FA cup final, second in the league in which we managed to beat Man U 4-1 away from home. He and Mourinho play the exact same formation. I cannot think of a game, apart from CL, FA cup final and that 4-4 against Chelsea, where we conceded more than 2 in a game. I'm sure that if Rafa had the money Mourinho had, which at Chelsea, Inter and Madrid was basically unlimited, he would have been way more successful. He wanted players such as Villa, Silva, Chiellini and Malouda but the owners would not back him. He had to gamble on some players, which Mourinho never had to do.

Rafa had the arrogant, winning way about him, which Roy does not.

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16 Dec 2010 12:28:24
I`m sorry to have to say this but after watching every game he has played in the first 11 JJ Shelvey will never make an LFC player as long as he has a hole you know where.!
How anybody can post on here that he is improving in every game and looks a real prospect is beyond me, he has limited talant and looks so unfit, this might account for his lack of speed and thought, my god he was less active than Poulsen last night.
He will be with us for a season or two and then moved on like Mellor and will do OK in the Championship.

Matt B

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16 Dec 2010 12:28:03
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{ed's note - I don't have any kind of concrete info on who, but judging by the people they have talked to and dismissed (Rijkaard and Pellegrini) it seems they are looking for someone who likes to play passing football.}
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Ed is that passing football how we used to play, the little triangles 1 touch stuff, or the type that just gets passed along the back four? I know which I would prefer. . .role back to the 80's, transformers and all :o)

MUSHROOM {ed's note - well Rijkaard brought back the style Barca are playing now, so I think that answers the question. Just so long as the Transformers are the original cartoons and not the new ones, they are just not the same!}

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16 Dec 2010 12:23:25
Both Pat Nevin and Stan Collymore proved that this is about the coaching that the players are getting at the moment from Hodgson and his staff and not that they are bad players. It is all so negative and defensive. Cole improved when Pacheco came on. I never really rated Cole that highly. But he is not a poor player and his career at Liverpool would improve with a more inspirational attack minded coach.
Hodgson was imposed on the club by Sky Sports and the London based press. He was apparently the best available from a poor lot. I think he should go. He is not good enough to manage Liverpool.
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Collymore has no Ulrika to take his frustrations out on and Pat Nevin played for the Toffees, not the most reliable to listen to. Cole is a waste of time, he believes his own hype. Babel, Poulsen, Cole, Jova, the senior players who the young ones are supposed to look up to, all played s* te.
Hodgson was imposed on us because he was the best candidate for the job at the time. Don't forget King Kenny was also involved in the manager search as well. Roy was the best out of a bad bunch.
Out of all the managers AVAILABLE now, who would you pick? Or would you wait for the right candidate to become available?

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 12:21:10
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Hi Ed/ Eds, I have been going the match for over 20 years and can honestly say this is the worst I have ever felt watching a liverpool side. I can just not see what mr out of is depth is trying to do with the team in regards to tactics, system and style of play. I was sitting next to the press box last night and got chatting to a few high profile journos who are liverpool fans and have been for years and they just can't understand the system either. Something has to happen and fast or our club is going to be in deep trouble. Thanks Ed Phil W {ed's note - I don't think anyone feels any different, even those backing Roy seem to be backing him because they believe it to be the Liverpool Way, rather than any real belief in the man.}

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16 Dec 2010 12:04:54
16 Dec 2010 06:47:28
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Surely Roy must be going!

"The fitness people made me see sense!" He just gave that as a reason for not playing Torres (which he shouldn't anyway).

How can you have a manager who can't stand by his own convictions - if that's true NESV will have to get rid because it shows how weak he is. If not true, means Torres refused to play - Torres is a gonner if Roy stays no doubt about it!

Roy out Kenny in by Jan!
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People will look for double meanings in everything. Any glimer of hope that Hodgson will go. He actually wanted to play Torres and a few more so called 1st teamers to give them confidence and to show he wasn't happy with the Newcastle performance.
How happy would you have been if he had played Torres in a meaningless game and he picked up a serious injury?? Roy out again I believe.

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I think you have missed this person's point MUSHROOM. What i think he is trying to say is that Hodgson was told by our fitness staff that he shouldn't play Torres and Hodgson listened. After all Fernando is not injured but still Hodgson was told not to play him by our fitness staff. So we have found out what we suspected all along that Hodgson is indeed weak.

What next is Peter Brukner going to pick our team against Fulham? I suppose in hindsight Brukner would do a better job.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 11:33:46
To the eds

have you closed down for christmas. wouldn't blame you at all if you had lol

chris 1 {ed's note - just had too much real work to do, sorry. All the other eds were unavailable as well, typical it all happens at the same time.}

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16 Dec 2010 11:31:55
Hey ED, I know you said the players were told that a new manager would eventually replace Roy, when you mean they were told, do you mean this was done by NESV? If so, when would they have told the players? {ed's note - it was by NESV shortly after taking over, I have no idea whether it was all the players that were told or just a few senior players though.}

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16 Dec 2010 11:19:59
So many people talking about ideal candidates for the Liverpool job. If I was asked to draw up a shortlist here's who mine would be (in no particular order):

Good post about the managers there, i would be happiest with Coyle or Deschamps there, and would like Hughton as assistant. They are very organised managers, and hughton has shown his man management skills with the level of loyalty he has drawn from the tyrant that is Andy Carrol.

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16 Dec 2010 11:12:01
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Pity about Fanni going to Marseilles. . .
I was looking forward to. .

''. . .Terry sliding in on Fanni. .''

''. . .that was a poor tackle from behind on Liverpool's Fanni. . ''

''. . .Bolton must keep a close eye on Liverpool's Fanni. .''

''. . .expect to see a lot of Fanni today. .''

''. . .City just could not handle Fanni's dribbling. .''

''. . .not like the last game when Rooney was all over Fanni. .''

''. . .that was a clear attempt by Cole to pull Fanni. .''

''. . .a lot of the balls going into Fanni today have been poor. .''

''. . .one of the high-lights of the season, for me, was the stunning display of French Fanni last weekend. .''

Childish, I know, but we a need a laugh now and then! !

Petred

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16 Dec 2010 11:06:58
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Just a thought, but if Woy wasn't British, and say was Spanish, would their more in the media about how bad he is doing with Liverpool. Seems anywhere i read, except for Liverpool forums, that he is regarded as a very good manager, even though his record is truey shocking. If he's considered one of the best English managers, its no wonder the FA appoint foreigners. Just seems Woy is getting no negative press. What you think ed? kk {ed's note - the scary thing is that Roy is one of the most successful English managers of all time. But then he doesn't have much competition!}

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16 Dec 2010 10:58:48
This manager Needs to go, with this style of football he's playing. . Long balls. defensive. pressing low. . And last nights result proves he lost the plot! not just that but newcastle beat us blackpool beat us stoke beat us northamton beat us! Waste of time in my eyes. I can see us selling the best players because of this mess. We need a young manager In a.s.a.p.!

Don't give roy any money we wastes it! And tbh good managers don't need money for example: blackpool west brom arsenal aren't spending so proves he not good!

We need a young manager like van bastan in my eyes. Younger manager, long term and he can coach better as he's dutch.

Player out
Jones 1mill
Soto 1mill
Skertl 6mill
Kon 2mill
Lucas 8mill
Kyut 7mill
Poulsen free
Maxi 5mill
Babel 8mill
Jonavic 2mill
Ngog loan
Spearing loan
Jonjo loan

40mill in ±35 owner=75 mill

Smithes young gk 2mill
Mexes 8mill c.b
Shawcroft 10mill c.b
Baines 7mill l.b
Young 15mill r.w
Pienarr free cm
Benzema 13 mill fw
A.johnson 15mill lw
santa cruz 5 mill fw

Bring back insua and alberto.
Problem solved!

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16 Dec 2010 10:54:30
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If we don't beat fulham at anfield hodgson needs to go,
coz he won't even be able to beat his former club what is he gunna do at Old Trafford in January, and who on earth would want to go to a team that has no stability.

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16 Dec 2010 10:38:37
For the first time ever in over thirty years of watching Liverpool, I fell asleep 20 minutes before the final whistle. 'nuff said.

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16 Dec 2010 10:35:32
Whats the odds on Al fayed pays the Fulham boys a large bonus to turn us over the weekend, just to get one over on Roy?

To be fair IF we get beat and RH go's (sacked or resigns) is that a bad thing? This run and form has gone on far too long. We still have hope of top four IF we get the results flowing, but i cannot see that with RH in charge? We cannot be any worse even with a caretaker manager surely! !

Lee73

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16 Dec 2010 10:33:40
Apparentley Pacheo did 'quite well'. I Despair, he was excellent initially when going forward. Struggled as a second left back though. Ed, Roy maintains that away at stauea and napoli they both played deep, as did utrech last night. Am i to deduce from that, that it is in fact the opposistions fault Roy is negative and defensive minded?

Muzmacol YNWA {ed's note - I think that is what he is trying to imply, yes, though I fail to see how every opponent he has ever faced over 35 years can force him to play deep.}

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16 Dec 2010 10:24:18
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Ed, at the risk of sounding stupid . . . how do you reply to something someone has posted ?

Anfieldpete {ed's note - how do I reply? I get a box with the post in it so I can read it through and check it is ok, remove any obscenities or sections that are particularly offensive etc. I just type my reply next to the post. Though lately I haven't had to do much more than star out the abuse to Roy!}

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16 Dec 2010 10:23:38
Lucas is ahead of rameires, anderson and denilson in da brazil squad. We paid somin like 6mill for lucas. But chelsea paid 18mill for ramires lol. Fantastic scouting buy the reds. A great trick is to buy foreign players before they join european clubs because they often charge triple the amount

Harry5:)

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16 Dec 2010 10:17:30
I see mourinho could becoming available soon, nxt Liverpool manager?

LAVERS

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16 Dec 2010 10:09:40
For what . roy will go sometime. nobody knows when, but a suitable replacement.

When owen coyle was first mentioned i must admit i was somewhat dissmissive, but after reflection and watching his comments, watching bolton play. they are all so together. I am feeling more and more receptive to the idea.

Besides the usual list of high profile candidates that could be on offer i am beginning to seriously consider this man. ok maybe he hasnt got the experience of dealing with top level players etc. but i am sure we have a wealth of experience who can help.(eerrm someone called kenny i think)

What is equally important is that when roy goes he also takes sammy with him. great player for us. but sorry just not up to it a coach

chris 1 {ed's note - I used to take so much stick in Sammy Lee's first spell, on Liverpool forums, for saying he was not a good coach. I used to get all sorts of rubbish about him being good enough for England etc, I feel vindicated but sad that I am right. I was hoping I would never be proved right on this subject, especially when he left for Bolton.}

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16 Dec 2010 10:07:18
Ed, 2 questions for you;

let's say RH get's the sack and the owners appoint KD, do you think they would give a long term contract or just use him on a short term basis?

When J Henry states 'they are in sync with the fans' what does this mean?

Sam {ed's note - I don't think they want to appoint Kenny at all, so I really can't see him as any more than a stop gap. As for the in sync rubbish, it is just meaningless babble.}

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16 Dec 2010 10:06:33
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15 Dec 2010 21:05:29
FINALLY. . . .Pat Nevin on channel 5, saying what we all think about Roy's tactics and where Joe Cole is playing tonight (i.e as left wing-back) - sort it out please, or better still just get out of our club. Joe Cole is a number 10 not a wing back. . .
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Both Pat Nevin and Stan Collymore proved that this is about the coaching that the players are getting at the moment from Hodgson and his staff and not that they are bad players. It is all so negative and defensive. Cole improved when Pacheco came on. I never really rated Cole that highly. But he is not a poor player and his career at Liverpool would improve with a more inspirational attack minded coach.
Hodgson was imposed on the club by Sky Sports and the London based press. He was apparently the best available from a poor lot. I think he should go. He is not good enough to manage Liverpool.

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16 Dec 2010 09:55:18
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I missed last game against utrecht. Have heard that it was a very borring performance. Can you pleae tell me, how Pacheco and Kelly appeared in last game? thanks
Ed, any thoughts about january signings and last game performance. . thanks alot {ed's note - the best thing I can say about that performance is that you were better off not watching! Pacheco came on and livened the game up for a bit but it tailed off as no one else seemed to be bothering. Kelly struggled early on but grew into the game and provided all our width down the right, put in a couple of decent crosses too, but we had one guy in the box each time so no chance of scoring.}

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16 Dec 2010 09:46:34
There were some positives last night despite the result.

Wilson and Kelly are going to be good given the right instruction and opportunities in the first team.

Joe Cole looks a bit more lively. As does Aurelio.

Pacheco needs to go to the gym and be played in the center, he is not a winger. Needs to be played like Modric.

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16 Dec 2010 09:43:38
This is a caution to any fan who expects us to win the next 4 games. Fulham, Wolves, Bolton at home and Blackpool away.

Bolton are in 5th place and playing well, Blackpool have the same number of points as us with a game in hand, and smashed us at Anfield, they also beat Stoke away last week who trampled all over us, which means they have fight & steel in the team, besides playing attacking football. Who feels really confident we will take 6 points from Fulham & Wolves - I for one don't.

If we take 4 points from these games RH will be delighted.

KBL

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16 Dec 2010 09:28:01
People saying that Torres wants to leave because of a picture in an old rag are deluded. They waited amd waited until he didn't have a smile on his face, took a snap and the rest is history. Why didn't they take a picture of him and Meireles sharing sweets, laughing and say "Happy Days at Anfield"? Ill tell you why, because we are Liverpool and the media hates us.

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16 Dec 2010 09:02:53
I remember watching last night quite a few time that our whole team was inside our own half. Does anybody see the point in playing young lads to get them to sit back behind the ball? Me an me mates could go out there and do that, all that is is numbers behind the ball. He hasnt learned much about the lads who played last night because he won't free them to play their game. Pacecho must have took his own direction as he looked a class apart with some of his balls.

I cannot see us going anywhere under this manager.

Time for a change.

Spriggo

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16 Dec 2010 08:48:38
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Roy Hodgson. . . .

Nice bloke, but not the kind of manager we need, he seems to be a puppet, with others controlling his actions, and maybe that's the reality of his situation at Liverpool.

He was going to play Torres and then was talked out of it, Reina told him to give Jones a chance. . .

Apologising to the press, why on earth should he, whether the team was 'his choice' or not he is the manager and has every right to field the team he feels can go out and do a job.

BUT what Roy has done, by his own desire or not is bring some experience to the younger players. Great to see Eccleston start, Wilson, Shelvey, Kelly and Pacheco, that's what these lads need.

And another point for me was that Poulson was very poor, very very poor, I hope Roy (or his advisors) noticed that he had such a poor touch, poor passing and now has a poor resale value.

Need a big performance against Fulham

YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 08:43:49
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This is my 1st post here-
I would like to create a petition page for Liverpool FC January Transfers - We need 3 signings offcourse.
1.Striker - Cassano/ Miralem Sulejmani/ Obinha/ Rossi gusseppi/ Honda/ toni kroos
2. Winger - Arda Turan (100% LFC material)/ worst case Adam hammil
3.Defender - Cb any goodone.
Get back the players out on loan
Insua and Aqualani.
and please SALE Roy Hogdson (totally a demeaning figure at LFC)
There isn't a single day I heard Roy talking nonsense "we can't achieve this. .we can't achieve that. .sorry i didn't play torress. .Joe cole is low in confidence. .glen is not England class and all this BS"
Claerly his motives aren't the same as a LFC managers should be. He isn't attracting any big players clearly because of playing style. Its damn boring I personally feel like turning off the TV when i see Liverpool play sometimes.
Clearly in the Managerial profession Roy is IMPOTENT.He is really a SOUR FACE guy a complaining type.
NESV please hire Rijkaard evwn if he screwed in Turkey. He deserves LFC and LFC deserves him.
And Comolli don't just favour French youh players. .wider your zone there is plenty talent out there.

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16 Dec 2010 08:32:46
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"the physical conditioning people tell me that in any game there.is a risk of injury".
NO s* t SHERLOCK!
Is that why you are paid the big bucks Roy? Explains why we are so sh*te.
Leave our club now.
RedTed

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16 Dec 2010 08:23:57
After watching Liverpool for the last 40 years I, ve got to tell the world last night was a complete and utter disgrace and an embarrassment , how poor a manager have we got who plays such a cr*p formation against a Dutch 2nd division side in a game that means nothing to anyone in a ground full of kids who all wanted to see 4-3 - get that gobsh*te woy out of our club.

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16 Dec 2010 08:21:54
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Roy states we are rebuilding WHY, 2seasons ago we finshed 2nd we just needed topping up a few adjstments we don't get so bad all of a sudden its bad management.
We actually played well remember against real madrid, barca etc.
we actually played good football under Benni Benitez the only thing that let him down was he let 2 many good players go ie. Alonso, Hypia, Bellemy but then again we don't know what pressure he was under from owners, agents or players.
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16 Dec 2010 08:13:36
At this rate id rather have fat sam allardyce as lfc manager. If roy was such a gentleman and s* t why doesn't he do the decent thing and resign?
Red bl00ded!

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16 Dec 2010 08:11:35
Liverpool Rumours
Our reserve keeper looks a load sugar! !

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16 Dec 2010 08:10:27
Liverpool Rumours
Get rid of COLE get some £ in (all he does is huff and puff no substance no penetration)

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16 Dec 2010 08:08:55
Liverpool Rumours
Every match it seems ROY is apologizing what the 4x do they teach , train on the training pitch when we have teams like Blackpool with minimum resources performing well we are absolute boring to watch.

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16 Dec 2010 08:04:07
Liverpool Rumours
WHAT A LOAD OF c? p last night i fell asleep TWICE!

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16 Dec 2010 08:00:35
Hodgson has to go now.just look at the game last night totally shambolic i feel for all who went to the game and paid good money to watch that garbage if that's all we have got inreserve we need to get rid of them all except maybe pacheco, shelvey, kelly, wilson the only young players who look like a player they just need brought into games where they play along side the majority of the first time so they can learn from them also play them in the right positions so they can show us what they can do roy has got it all wrong he doesn't have the stones to try anything different he prefers older average players bye bye roy

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16 Dec 2010 07:37:04
I think as Liverpool fans we all need to stop moaning and get behind the team. Ok we are not playing very well at the minute, but how many times has that been turned around when we have created an electric atmosphere and actually supported the team. Since the whole G&H saga we have become a laughing stock among other fans. We seem to constantly moan under the belief we should steam role teams. We are not the Liverpool of yesteryear and we need to accept that the whole club needs to be rebuilt in order to compete with Utd, City, Chelsea etc in the next few years. I imagine the next real title challeneg will be in 2 years time. We won't do it next season, but if things are done right, could do it the year after.

Like most of you, I am not happy with the way Roy has handled the press, and I am certainly not happy with the 'style' of football we have been playing, but alot of the poor performances come down to the playing squad we have. Outside of Gerrard, Torres and Reina we have no-one who could call themself world class. At best a few others could call themselves good, but most would be average.

In the summer, Roy had very little money to spend in comparisson to the number of positions we needed to fill. Granted, Konchesky and Poulsen have proven to be awful, but for £9million who else could we have got to fill those positions? I would give Roy a target of 6/ 5th this season and a good run in either F.A/ Europa League. If he fails to meet these then I would not give him the job. However, he needs to be given some money in Jan to allow him to improve the squad. I would not give him full control though as he has proven he can buy some poor players at Liverpool.

Let's all support the team (an d the manager) until the board decide to remove him. It is what we have always done, and it is what we should continue to do. People do not improve if you keep putting them down. Get behind them and let people know we are Liverpool FC.

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16 Dec 2010 07:10:54
Id give my right arm for rafa to come back right now the 4 nil drubbing of real and the defeat of barca, juve, inter etc are a millions miles away right now. at least rafa won more than 50% of his games! !

dear santa, for xmas i would like a manager who attacks please, i have been a very good boy this year so i defo deserve it! !

matty b

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16 Dec 2010 07:07:34
YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT? did you even watch the game you tool. What was babel meant to do when the whole plan with hodgson is to sit deep? babel was forced to create chances by himself god you're a total fool bob the red i mean wow? babel and eccleston just chased ball all game and watched the utrecht defence pass it? then hoof it i know how fustraiting it is for a striker to play in that sort of game believe me i used to play for barnet quite when i was 26. So do one.

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I am going to have to stick up for Bob the Red here as Babel was a complete waste of a red jersey. OK the tactics weren't brilliant, but everytime Babel had the ball he tried to cut inside and then he would give it away. Or his first touch would be a pass to the opposition. Babel has been poor ever since he has been here. He needs to be moved on for him to reserect his career somewhere else.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 07:01:23
Roys rubbing his face his balls the back of his head his third chin, oh and he's now rubbing his heart, if only!

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whoever put this is a disgrace, ok roy has lost it and needs to go but that commet is really tight, a* hole! !

matty b

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16 Dec 2010 06:59:11
I totally disagree with you here ed. Coz they were attacking down their left and getting behind us virtually every time. .or cutting inside and creating danger.

Let's face it, as a team we were garbage tonight.

There were a couple of good players out there. .I thought Shelvey showed big improvement, Kelly is looking more and more like a first team player to me, and Eccleston put in a shift and showed willing to chase.

Apart from that, forget it.

Roy Hodgson for manager. .nah! !

Frenchy.
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They were attacking down the left because Jova was not providing cover for Kelly. Kelly was left completely exposed. Notice how they didn't attack much down the left when Jova was replaced by Kuyt. I know it wasn't a skill factor that stopped it because Kuyt hasn't got any, it was just pure running and covering.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 06:47:28
Liverpool Rumours
Surely Roy must be going!

"The fitness people made me see sense!" He just gave that as a reason for not playing Torres (which he shouldn't anyway).

How can you have a manager who can't stand by his own convictions - if that's true NESV will have to get rid because it shows how weak he is. If not true, means Torres refused to play - Torres is a gonner if Roy stays no doubt about it!

Roy out Kenny in by Jan!
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People will look for double meanings in everything. Any glimer of hope that Hodgson will go. He actually wanted to play Torres and a few more so called 1st teamers to give them confidence and to show he wasn't happy with the Newcastle performance.
How happy would you have been if he had played Torres in a meaningless game and he picked up a serious injury?? ? Roy out again I believe.

MUSHROOM

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16 Dec 2010 03:23:06
Come on now Roy GO, walk out the door.
You don't touch the This Is Anfield sign & your not welcome anymore.
Weren't you the one that got Blackburn relegated.
We're watching our team sit deep and never win away from home.

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16 Dec 2010 02:19:39
Having seen the interview with the NESV top brass, and with the excellent idea to let kids in for free to boost attendance, plus the fact we had already qualified, you would have thought that tonight was the opportunity to go out and entertain.
No, 4 at the back, 4 midfielders chasing back, 2 isolated up front. This against one of the poorest teams ever to show their face at Anfield.
Given the Norhtampton debacle is there a team anywhere that Roy would like to attack, or are we forever looking to not lose and hopefully nick a game from a set piece?
I understand NESV's stance on taking a long term view, but if Hodgson is in charge post January that long term view will become a very, very long term view.
Personally I think if Hodgson is still in charge come February the league title is at least 5 years away.

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16 Dec 2010 02:01:00
I'm starting to think roy is exactly like souness. poor management, and its looking like his transfers are going to be bad as well, hopefully Comolli will save us but it just looks like all he wants to do is go for French young talent. that's not necessarily bad but he's gonna have to fight with Wenger over them, as Arsenal always gets the best French talent. but back to roy, his tactics are horrendous, team choice horrible and his substitutions just plain bad. he is just overall a bad manager. the truth is that he is just a mid-table manager making mid-table signings (if we sign bentley, I am going to strangle someone). Roy, just please look to Comolli for transfers. don't look at Ronaldinho, Dempsey, or Elmander. or any other player like them. look for young players, 20-25, who have massive potential. Basically, all I want from Roy is good transfers this January and a top 6 finish. then get out once the season is over. NESV needs to bring in a manager with good tactics that work with a WORLD CLASS TEAM. right now, with Roy, we are not world class. with some good transfers and a new manager, the future looks bright.

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16 Dec 2010 01:22:56
(PS: Could someone provide info on Deschamps and Boas)
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Deschamps won the French 1st division with Marsielle in his 1st season. He also got Juventus promoted the 1st season after being relegated for bribing Italian refs. All this in the space of the last 2-3 years. He also turned us down to become our next manager in the summer (he claims).

Don't no much about Boas.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 01:07:05
Don't buy it mate. . .If you believe for a second our coaches our training the " la masia" style of play 100% forward movement with the ball. .one touch play two at the max. .2 pass rule( you must have two players within 10 yards to pass to each time in possesion) Then our players DO NOT HAVE THE BARCA ABILITY. I don't like Woy but u can't blame him for wasting a talent over the past 10 years and there is no way he tells attackers to be defensive that is ridiculous. .
Dave. . {ed's note - you do know that the changes to the Academy are recent, right? So the young players currently coming through (except for Pacheco who came through at Barca) haven't had the chance to learn that at all.}
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So everytime we take the lead Dave and Hodgson tells everyone to play deeper (even the attackers) he's not telling everyone to be defensive?

Have you not been watching our matches? If not you are one of the lucky ones mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 01:05:38
So many people talking about ideal candidates for the Liverpool job. If I was asked to draw up a shortlist here's who mine would be (in no particular order):

Owen Coyle - We've all seen the work he's done at Bolton this season. They're playing good, passing, flowing, attacking football and it's the type of football we want to see at Liverpool. Another thing is that the Bolton squad seem so together, and the togetherness in the dressing room is excellent not to forget the great relationship the players have with the manager. - those are traits we could do with at the moment, along with some good attacking football. And I feel that some of the players in the squad (Torres, Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles etc.) would benefit from an attack-minded coach, and the whole team would benefit from being together, and having faith in the manager. Plus, at only 45-years-old, he could be in it for the long-run. Only reservation is his lack of experience at top clubs and dealing with top players, but every top manager starts somewhere don't they?

Quique Sanchez Flores - Well, as I've said before, the type of manager we could do with. Very similar to Coyle as a matter of fact. Great man-manager, always has good relationships with his players. He's tactically astute and plays a good passing brand of football that we want to see. He's had experience at top clubs like Benfica, Valencia and now Atletico Madrid where he did good jobs. He also did an impressive job at Getafe with limited resources where he led them to safety comfortably.

Didier Deschamps - He did a great job at Monaco, getting them to the CL final. He did a good job at Juventus (albeit it wasn't hard to) but, at Marseille, he won their first league title for 18 years. Marseille are currently 4 points behind the top in the French League so no reason why he can't win it again. I don't know much about how he sets his team up to play (could an ed maybe tell me if he knows?). But he clearly has ability as a manager. He's only 42 so again, in it for the long run. And his contract is up in 2012 which means we wouldn't be paying a large amount of compensation.

Andre Villas Boas - Of the ones mentioned, I know least about him. I supposed this is kind of "reference" based if you like. I've heard his teams are very organised and solid but play an attractive brand of football. He's done well with Porto and will win the league there. I know it's only the Portugese league, but time and time again we see managers take over teams in such leagues, and do poorly. He's only 33 so very young, but if he has the ability it shouldn't be a problem.

Of the four above, I know least about Boas and Deschamps in terms of style of football and man-management. So I would probably go wit Owen Coyle, simply because he knows the Premier League better than the others, and plays the football we all crave, not to mention his top class man-management.

(PS: Could someone provide info on Deschamps and Boas)

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16 Dec 2010 00:46:05
ED massive contrast but i feel really sorry for Hodgson he clearly was pleased he was man of the moment and being contacted by liverpool course he wouldn't have turned it down but he is properly regretting it now :-( but he's not the sort of person who would Resign i think hes a fantastic Manager just definetly not one for our club.
He just cannot manage a big club go back to Fulham Roy considering everything you've done alright sort of? if you got a bit of fortune with some results like gerrard hitting bar agaisnt wigan and the lead agaisnt arsenal then things would be better Fulham need you badly! get them back to mid table as for us Roy won't be here much longer. Liverpool isn't where you belong pretty brave to take the job but this isn't good enough.
Please go back to fulham they could do with it as for us i honestly thing most people would be better we need some sort of energizer into our season wether it be a big signing in jan or king kenny as manager?
both would bring confidence something Roy cannot.!
Red til im dead.
Guys stop whining my dad told me hes been through bad times as an LFC fan and its part of football man utd and chelsea have some horrible times. Man up guys !

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16 Dec 2010 00:36:31
Liverpool Rumours
(Torres set to hand in transfer request later this week and wants to leave anfield in january
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How do you know? is he your f* *ing dad or something?)

It's depressing to watch fellas and to be honest I'm still on the fence. I thought the end of H&G would see some sense of positivity running through the club but try as I always do, the signs don't look good.

Roy doesn't seem to have a plan B (and I appreciate those that would say he doesn't have a plan A). In fairness I've liked the sides he's put out recently. Reina has to start as do Skrtel and Soto, Johnson and Konchesky (wouldn't be my first choice but what choices do we have). Lucas and Maxi have done well in recent weeks and Meireles I believe is a class act. Ngog tries as does Dirk but end product. .

As for Torres, who knows. He's obviously frustrated with the current team (clearly all related to LFC are so let's not jump on his back too soon). Recent birth of his second child, who knows in fairness.

As frustrating as it all is, personally I'm delighted that info is so hard to come by. The club has aired it's dirty laundy over the last 3/ 4 years and as sceptical as I am of the new American owners, I have to admire their cautious approach to their tenure.

Back to facts, if I had to bet I would say we won't finish in the top four this year, but despite what the press would have you believe, that isn't the end of the World. 'Rome wasn't built in a day' they say and I'm as desperate as the rest of you for success!

The Booter {ed's note - why do you think Soto and Skrtel have to start? Why both? One I can understand for experience, but neither are good enough, especially as a pair.}

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16 Dec 2010 00:33:14
Mate, I can't believe you don't know this. We have the men who shaped and 'designed' Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Puyola, Valdes, Pedro, Busquets, Reina and Fabregas. We have the best men for the job. The only reason the youth are shaky is because Woy is telling them to go out there, be cautious, be defensive, don't challenge the defenders and hold back their talents. The only defensive youth that appeared tonight were Kelly and Wilson - who had decent games. Our attacking players had worse games because Woy tells them not to attack

Don't buy it mate. . .If you believe for a second our coaches our training the " la masia" style of play 100% forward movement with the ball. .one touch play two at the max. .2 pass rule( you must have two players within 10 yards to pass to each time in possesion) Then our players DO NOT HAVE THE BARCA ABILITY. I don't like Woy but u can't blame him for wasting a talent over the past 10 years and there is no way he tells attackers to be defensive that is ridiculous. .
Dave. . {ed's note - you do know that the changes to the Academy are recent, right? So the young players currently coming through (except for Pacheco who came through at Barca) haven't had the chance to learn that at all.}

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16 Dec 2010 00:25:09
Liverpool Rumours
Lucas Lieva, came across fantastic tonight on lfctv, cut him some slack, stop breakin his balls and get get behind him in future.He is gonna be a top class premiership midfielder!
Cad

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16 Dec 2010 00:19:29
15 Dec 2010 23:41:55
I absolutley agree about the young players at LFC. .They may have basic ability so they are either being coached wrong or not talented enough to break through. They are getting chances now and look nervous and edgy. At arsenal they would be taught better in possesion of the ball and they seem to buy talent and bring it through there ranks and turn them in to superstars. WE HAVE NOT DONE THIS FOR YEARS. .We waste young talent and have done for years. .like it or not LFC is not a good place to learn your trade. we have the facilities yes. .Do we have the coaches teaching the right football philosophy 100% NO. .
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Great post mate and you are spot on. It is the managers at all clubs who recommend to their coaching staff as to what tactics and what style of play he would want the youngsters to play. That's why when so many managers come to a new club they bring their own staff with them and get the youngsters ready for the 1st team so they are familiar with the tactics being used.

Like you said it's the coaching which stems all the way down from the 1st team manager at all clubs. That's why the players young and old seem to be low on confidence and lacking enthusiasm at the momment because of Roy Hodgson tactics. It's like a disease running through our club.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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16 Dec 2010 00:16:04
Liverpool Rumours
Come back Rafa - all is forgiven. I would have him over most available managers out there and certainly over Roy Zzzzzzzz Hodgson. I think there would be delerium from the kop if he returned now - it would be like the return of the messiah.

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16 Dec 2010 00:09:04
The season being poor thus far , we are clinging to the next game in the hope of improvement and then we have to put up with performances like that .

Roy Hodgson is clearly not doing the job sufficiently and NESV will have to act soon .

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16 Dec 2010 00:07:16
I absolutley agree about the young players at LFC. .They may have basic ability so they are either being coached wrong or not talented enough to break through. They are getting chances now and look nervous and edgy. At arsenal they would be taught better in possesion of the ball and they seem to buy talent and bring it through there ranks and turn them in to superstars. WE HAVE NOT DONE THIS FOR YEARS. .We waste young talent and have done for years. .like it or not LFC is not a good place to learn your trade. we have the facilities yes. .Do we have the coaches teaching the right football philosophy 100% NO. .

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Mate, I can't believe you don't know this. We have the men who shaped and 'designed' Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Puyola, Valdes, Pedro, Busquets, Reina and Fabregas. We have the best men for the job. The only reason the youth are shaky is because Woy is telling them to go out there, be cautious, be defensive, don't challenge the defenders and hold back their talents. The only defensive youth that appeared tonight were Kelly and Wilson - who had decent games. Our attacking players had worse games because Woy tells them not to attack

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16 Dec 2010 00:04:44
Not heard a song yet for Roy Hodgson.

Gerrard Houllier got one last week and he left years ago.

Rafa's name was always sung.

I wonder when Roy will get his own song?

I've got an idea for one. It goes like this. .

"f*** off now Roy tra la la la la. ."

Frenchy.

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16 Dec 2010 00:02:06
15 Dec 2010 23:49:14
The games just keep getting worse don't they Ed? Can you see and end of our misery and depression in sight mate?

Blair (ready for hanging himself) Mayne YNWA {ed's note - a run of bad results would force them to act, he can't have long left with performances like that!}
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It's been a run of bad results from the start of the season mate and he's still there. Surely NESV have to sack him and not let him spend what little funds we have in January even if he does pick up a couple of wins.

NESV have said on numerous occasions that they are preparing for the future. If Hodgson is part of thieir plans come January then we should all be afraid be very afraid.

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - they have given him time to turn things around, he isn't doing so though, if anything performances have got worse away from home apart from one exception at Spurs.}

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16 Dec 2010 00:00:07
I'll go skits if we don't win our next 4 games in the league.

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15 Dec 2010 23:58:57
{ed's note - you could see what is worked on - just look at it again and you will see how well the team kept its shape. As soon as we lost the ball, drop deep form two lines of four and sit there blocking runners getting in behind}

I totally disagree with you here ed. Coz they were attacking down their left and getting behind us virtually every time. .or cutting inside and creating danger.

Let's face it, as a team we were garbage tonight.

There were a couple of good players out there. .I thought Shelvey showed big improvement, Kelly is looking more and more like a first team player to me, and Eccleston put in a shift and showed willing to chase.

Apart from that, forget it.

Roy Hodgson for manager. .nah! !

Frenchy.

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