Liverpool Banter Archive April 16 2015

 

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16 Apr 2015 21:43:41
Sturridge struggling again with injury for Sunday.

Is it time to seriously think about selling him or is it being caused by him being played up front himself by Rogers, which clearly doesn't suit him and puts his already fragile body under too much strain with the additional workload.

Personally I feel the latter is not doing him any favours.

2 up to share the workload, coupled with a stringent preparation and recovery plan is needed to get the best out of Daniel.

His record as a pairing is outstanding.

If then the same fitness issues continue sadly it may be necessary to sell but hopefully it doesn't come to that.

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17 Apr 2015 00:19:56
No need to sell him, needs a system which plays to his strengths a bit more and less to his weaknesses.

Injuries aside, he has been less productive this year minus Suarez but he still an elite level striker.

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17 Apr 2015 01:40:26
Some of our better results last season were played with the narrow diamond formation. I think a striker up top with him next season, Coutinho in behind the pair of them(Sterling may be gone). If not, he will still operate well on his own. If we play this 4-3-3 he has plenty of support anyway.

He's not struggling because he's playing a lone CF role. He's struggling because of his hiccup laden season. He's not quite match fit, and as anybody who's had a sporting injury will know; it's not about the recovery so much as regaining the confidence needed to push that particular part of your body to it's pre-injury limits. Can take years in extreme cases. Anybody running at 99% in the PL will not have the same impact.
He's a very smart player, he'll adapt to ANY system. Just give him time to become fully fit, then fully confident.

Lucas is a perfect example. His confidence is just BEGINNING to come back now, as we'll see.

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17 Apr 2015 02:33:30
Blaming Rodgers for sturridges injury record is probably taking it a little far.

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17 Apr 2015 09:05:07
We simply can't start another season with Sturridge as our number 1 striker. Its ludicrous to even think it would be ok. We need a new striker who can play alongside him and lead the team in his almost assured injury periods.

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17 Apr 2015 15:47:39
based on recent events if BR is in charge next year, it will be interesting to see if he has learnt his lesson and plan much better for the season BUT I doubt it because he never has.

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16 Apr 2015 20:08:21
Liverpool owners need to do everything to bring klopp to liverpool!!!!

Why. / because liverpool have nothing to lose at the moment

Because he can Instill his own management style to the club and build Sth just like Dortmund and I believe liverpool are somewhat in the same kind of mould eventhough liverpol are a huge club that's been lagging over the years

I'm sure he would get some money

And because it's not as if rodgers hasn't been given a chance!

I have nothing against rodgers at all and I won't say anything bad about the dude.
I just believe "why not" with getting klopp
No champions league he could get a season under his belt and then see what he can do in the second year

If rodgers remains he has built serious doubt in me that any money would be spent wisely and I have lost confidence in his ability for liverpool and liverpool only

So what do u think guys and gals
What's your views

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16 Apr 2015 20:43:33
As the eds would say: don't hold your breath

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16 Apr 2015 20:44:56
He done amazing with dortmund no question about it but he may want a different challenge taken man city or real madrid rather then try build a lower league positioned club again

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{Ed002's Note - You are making this stuff up - the club has shown no inkling or interest toward Klopp. Klopp will have options and may decide a year off suits best - when a number of big jobs may be available.}

16 Apr 2015 20:44:57
I thing klopp would be exactly what we need,he built a team to compete against bayern who are basically like chelsea,United and City to us,he was also able to compete in Europe and seem to be able to spot a player and bring them on.ive totally lost faith in rogers,too arrogant to admit his mistakes and blames everyone but himself.if you look at it realistically,rogers has never done anything to merit getting near the Liverpool job

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16 Apr 2015 20:42:41
I think the odds of Klopp winding up at Liverpool are slim, so 'why not' isn't that relevant a question.

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16 Apr 2015 20:47:48
I agree 100% with you. Even if Rodgers gets FA cup win AND top 4 we should still get Klopp immediately if he fancies Liverpool. As much as I wouldn't terribly mind if Rodgers is given another chance should he achieve the aforementioned, Klopp you'd think would be too good an opportunity to pass up. Despite Dortmund being poor this season, the track record of Klopp shows he is a winner and can work effectively to improve a team over a period of time.

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17 Apr 2015 01:05:30
We should do ALL we can to get him here, period

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17 Apr 2015 12:47:42
Here's a breath of fresh air.

I like Brendan Rodgers.

I understand that he has his faults, but I have enjoyed watching Liverpool more this last 2-3 years than I have for a long time.

I agree that the signings have been less than spectacular but rather than looking for a manager to replace him, I believe we should be going all out to recruit Monchi as Director of Football. I am convinced that having somebody that savy in place to work alongside Brendan will have more of a positive impact than any new manager would.

Is this a realistic possibility eds?

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{Ed001's Note - he was looking to move on, but it seems he has decided to stay for now. The club must be looking to invest and move forward to keep him.}

17 Apr 2015 15:51:04
Is this the first time red lobster has had an agree on his post??? First the eclipse now this!

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17 Apr 2015 15:50:46
I BR willing to work with a DOF is what bothers me and if he can`t or won`t then he should be shown the door because he is incapable of doing things right if NOBODY is over him, barking orders or holding his hand

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16 Apr 2015 15:57:55
Hi Eds,
I know a lot of our summer transfer activity will depend on Rodgers still being in charge (personally I would like him to still be there, as disappointing as this season has been), but surely there are plans, if not only just an intention, to offload the likes of Borini, Lambert, Mario, Aspas, perhaps even Markovic etc? With these players apparently being attack minded, will this not allow us to go for maybe one proven goalscoring midfielder and a proven striker then let youth make up the numbers? Also with Gerrard leaving, could his wages, along with the well paid dead weight mentioned above be a positive factor in targeting players, or our we still tightening our belt? How far are we from being healthy enough financially to lure the players we need without FFP concerns?
I know that was a bit long winded but cheers for reading and I'd really appreciate your thoughts.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained what I know about players in and out and Liverpool's on going FFP problem.}

16 Apr 2015 20:03:27
Ed002, not qualifying for the CL, does that hurt LFC financially in our current state?

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{Ed002's Note - Give me a break - loss of CL income, loss of additional TV revenue, loss of sponsorship, not being able to attract the 17 "marquee" signings Liverpool are planning this summer, yadda, yadda, yadda. What do you think?}

16 Apr 2015 20:35:01
How can you say you want Rodgers to be here next season then go on to list a group of players to offload all of whom rodgers signed,some of them for far too much.signing the wrong players or signing and not using them correctly is precisely why he should go

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16 Apr 2015 20:42:03
Thank you for confirming what I am thinking Ed002.

Now try to explain that to those who believe "Rodgers deserves one more season"

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{Ed002's Note - I think that is a different matter Max. The owners will continue to do what they perceive (under advice) to be the best for the club. They won't flip-flop in the same way as many of the fans do, it is a real big deal investing > investing > investing > no return.}

16 Apr 2015 21:01:16
If we change Manager now then we will be going through the "transitional period" again for the next 2 seasons though?

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{Ed002's Note - Why, other clubs make seamless changes. It is a worry, but you don't keep a failing manager for that reason.}

16 Apr 2015 22:11:13
So why ed002 have Liverpool been relatively unsuccesful for years on end? Where have we, the club been going wrong?

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{Ed002's Note - Because the fans start out wanting it to be someone else's problem. There is never an acceptance and time given - the fans suffer from the constant knee jerk and the owners have reacted. They need to be bullish going forward.}

16 Apr 2015 23:10:53
What good is a manager when all he manages is to make an embarrassment of us in the champions league? We had a group with Ludogorets and Basel. Has everyone already forgotten his ridiculous team selections for almost half a season? It's time for a change.

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16 Apr 2015 23:50:42
Clubs constantly go through 'transitional' periods, its down to the strength of the club management to create the stability and consistency which brings success. Currently LFC doesn't have that strength.

Football is, like everything, in a constant state of change.

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17 Apr 2015 01:10:32
Transition can no longer be applied when you have spent over 300m in the transfer window since 2011 with next to NOTHING to show for it. That is NOT change. That is epic failure and that is what needs to change.

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16 Apr 2015 14:14:26
May you rest in eternal peace 96.

I Haven't posted in a while mainly because of my anguish at how we are playing. Also I wanted to take stock and get things into perspective for a while after two damaging defeats to our top 4 rivals. It's never good to lose but the manner in which we folded against Arsenal and United was disturbing. Did you really think Roger's was the messiah? No the real messiah is scoring for fun at Barcelona. Yes he maybe he's a 'runt' according to Ed's 002 but footballing wise Luis Suarez was the second coming. He carried us last season and his mercurial world class talent should have tried to have been replaced for a like for like player not seven mediocre ones. Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing but not to replace goals with goals is criminal. Ed's 001, told us that this 3 at the back system would be found out and our upsurge in form would be temporary. Low and behold were 8 points behind a Manchester United team that are massively over achieving. If Ed's 001 invisage our limitations why can't Brenda? I for one cannot palate another season of messing around for 10 games till we get into the groove. We need to push on from the opening day fixture. I would suggest procuring some incriminating pics of Jurgen Klopp and Blackmail him to Anfield. We need to start a renaissance and go back to basics. I feel that Brenda has over complicated the issue and the players have stopped deciphering his message in all the confusion. Raheem Sterling and Jordan Henderson are not wingbacks. Why not play Can in midfield instead of Allen? And sure Manquillo ahead of Johnson makes sense? Even Ray Charles knows that.

By the way a 'Liverpool fan' who called the actions of two guys praying on matchday at Anfield a 'disgrace' really is an absolute ignorant bell-end. I would like you to call Emre Can a disgrace when he prays during the rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone before every game at Anfield. Was glad to read the club have taken steps to reprimand the idiot. Heres hoping we can catch city, destroy Villa this weekend and Jurgen Klopp is caught on camera by a Liverpool fan at one of Silvio Berlisconi's Bunga Bunga parties. Dream on dreamer! The Klopp to the Kop campaign starts here. GET KLOPP TO THE KOP!!!

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16 Apr 2015 19:09:31
Time to change your sign-off name mate.

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17 Apr 2015 01:11:32
The owners will b foolish not to make a play for him

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16 Apr 2015 17:45:57
Jamie Carragher is right to put an FA cup trophy over a top four finish. If we somehow scrape into the Champions League, we won't have a chance of winning it. History is based on winners, not those who qualify! There are two sides to this of course, as our development will be more sustainable with another top four finish. We can probably forget about top four for this season anyway.

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16 Apr 2015 18:27:05
And hopefully qualify for CL next season under Rodgers?

I do not think some understand how important CL is to a club like LFC, especially when it comes to revenue.

The club needs to find a suitable sponsor to help fund the stadium expansion/eliminate the debt the club has taken on and FSG are not going to attract the big names if we are not playing in the big league i.e CL as that is where the money is not only for us, but also our sponsors.

FSG would have by now realised that not qualifying for the CL next season will be very detrimental to LFC's commercial growth.

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16 Apr 2015 18:31:57
You don't attract the best players by doing well in domestic cups, you attract them by offering Champions League football (and hopefully a shot at the title)

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16 Apr 2015 18:42:42
BigRedF, who did we sign while having CL on offer at the start of the season under Rodgers?

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16 Apr 2015 20:04:42
balo and Lambert while refusing bony and Remy. Brilliant right?

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17 Apr 2015 05:00:00
No he isn't. It's 2015 not 1974 - the CL is were the serious money is generated, the additional sponsorship, the greater pull for better players, etc etc it all stems from being in the CL. The FA Cup is a secondary concern - a good trophy to win if you have the CL wrapped up. But the CL is really important - it will set us back considerably should we (in all likelihood) fail.

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16 Apr 2015 17:09:25
To the 96 who never made it home, you are forever in our hearts!

I was only a child when that fateful day occurred but my father and uncle saw it all unfold. I have not seen my Dad cry in years but he has been doing so this week!

RIP 96

Love and prayers fom the Bennett family

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16 Apr 2015 16:16:39
Although we have underachieved this season, we should take into consideration that our young players have done the best they can under the circumstances. It is the experienced players that have been a let down which shows exactly why a lot of them need to be moved on.

The likes of Gerrard, Balotelli, Lambert, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Mignolet, and Jones have not been good enough, and it is those players that have let us down time and time again.

When you have a 20 year old in Emre Can who has come in and done a much better job than our senior defenders you know that something isn't right. Not to mention he has been played out of position.

Coutinho and Sterling have been excellent. I know most won't agree on Sterling but for a player of his age and his stage of development he is doing more than what is expected of him. Both players have done exceptionally well considering that for the majority of the season they have been playing without a natural goal scorer up top with them.

Moreno has shown that he can cope with the demands of the premier league. He has had his moments and lapses in lapses in concentration, but he has all the attributes needed to make a very good full back for us for the long term future.

The likes of Sakho, Henderson, Lallana, Markovic, Ibe etc. have done what is expected of them.

All we need is that little bit of quality in certain areas of the pitch that can make the difference.

Red Rum

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16 Apr 2015 18:31:14
I agree actually mate. I hadn't considered the individuals this season but looking at it, I think your pretty spot on,
Very few of our younger players have consistently underperformed this season, even the likes of Markovic have done well out of position,

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16 Apr 2015 20:05:51
Hopefully we can regroup and go from here instead of buying a whole new squad of players and starting from scratch again.

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16 Apr 2015 20:31:18
All we need is a new manager,one who plays players in their correct position,and isn't too stubborn to change things when they are clearly not working.

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16 Apr 2015 20:59:34
Be careful what you wish for Rob. Klopp notoriously plays players out of position, Guardiola turned a DM Mascherano into a defender, and most famously, Wenger took some crap winger and turned him into a striker called Thierry Henry. It may not always work out, but managers are entitled to experiment.

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16 Apr 2015 21:48:45
I don't remember lambert or Enrique getting much of a chance? I also think skrtel has been our best defender ( he's had some bad games) although Jones is not good enough for us ( in my eyes) when he did get a call the defence was all over the show! as much as folks ( me included) have given Stevie stick for getting old, against the mancs "yes the whole 2 mins of it" he done more for me than all of them! Should of started, like in Madrid! You forgot the worst culprit this season on your list mate "Brendan Rodgers" ! I love Emre but skrtel has made his transition easy! Where do you put Joe Allen? I'd put him on a train back to wales!

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17 Apr 2015 17:08:53
Bigbadben,the difference between klopp and Rodgers is that klopps seem to work.changing masch into a defender is no big deal,and Henry was only a poor winger because that's where juve had played him,we her just put him back in his natural position.rodgers tries these things,they don't work,he persists too long,changes it,but then goes back to it.look at gerrard earlier in season,terrible in front of back four,and hendo out wide and Allen in midfield full stop

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16 Apr 2015 02:56:12
RIP to the 96

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