Liverpool Banter Archive September 15 2016

 

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15 Sep 2016 22:08:23
Evening MK scouser, I've just watched (on catch up) the panorama programme that was on a few nights ago I think, about gambling addiction. Remembering our slight disagreement from a few months ago, I would urge you to watch it if you've got time mate, it may give you a more balanced insight into the problem. If you do watch it, let me know what you think fella.

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15 Sep 2016 22:31:17
I'm open minded buddy. If I see it I'll give it a watch, and let you know!

Sadly I may struggle as i have moved into my own place and i now only have free view TV and 4G data haha. It's awful, I have to actually live in the real world! There is someone living with me as well who claims I knocked them up back when my mind was poisoned by Satellite TV and unlimited broadband! It's a bit unusual. It talks to me. Like not by messenger or text. Like actually talks; for real!

My generation don't cope well with no digital contact and communication.


15 Sep 2016 23:49:25
it is known what can gambling do to a life not only to one but to destroy whole families, but i think you guys are missing a point. lots of clubs have betting houses as their sponsors, times move. it was a good buissnes offer for us so why not. society should be working on that problem not Liverpool f. c. don't get me wrong I would rather our club is sponsored by other companies but if the offer was good we should grab it. Anyway good post, read your conversation weeks back. Glad you mentioned that again waro.


16 Sep 2016 00:38:01
Cannot agree with you, Mandzo. How would you feel if Benson and Hedges put in a good offer? Or, god forbid, The S*n?
Money and 'good business' shouldn't supercede morals and ethics. The issue of betting agencies and gambling in sport is debatable but we should be evaluating any negative impact rather just grab a good offer.


16 Sep 2016 04:00:43
@Mandzo - It is morally bankrupt for the club to agree to any sponsorship deal involving betting companies. You say it is not a problem for LFC to deal with but surely, by welcoming a betting company as a sponsor, the club is adding to the problem? The club did not need to make such a deal, it chose to do so without any forethought of the potential consequences. Gambling ruins lives, plain and simple, and the club, as ambassadors of the community and a beacon so whom many look up to, has a responsibility to the fans - welcoming a betting company is not upholding that responsibility in my opinion.


16 Sep 2016 07:12:04
Our longest running sponsor is carlsberg. I'm assuming you're all up in arms about that as alcohol ruins loads more lives than gambling?


16 Sep 2016 07:31:26
Clubs act within the law, I'm not really sure they are interested in the ethicality of it.
But I would question the judgment of someone who acquired a gambling addiction because we had a certain sponsor. As pointed out, Carlsberg was our sponsor for years, how is it really different?


16 Sep 2016 07:32:19
Both gambling and alcohol ruin many lives a year as they are extremely addictive but I would argue that a person who's going to gamble will gamble anyway, whether the club has the betting company's logo on their shirt or not. Betting can only be done 18 plus anyway and these people will be past the stage of getting influenced by what's on their favourite football team's shirts. I can see your reasoning Waro, you would feel the club shouldn't be giving promotion to such a destructive behaviour but with the influx of bookies in England in the decade or so, you can't go more than 10 minutes without seeing one. So I doubt the club having a betting company's logo on their shirt will have more effect than seeing a bookies on the road, or have added much or at all to the statistic of people with a gambling addiction.


16 Sep 2016 09:11:16
I would prefer it if betting and alcohol companies didn't sponsor football clubs, particularly my club! But I agree with a previous poster in respect that the those who chose to gamble will do so anyway.
In my opinion I think the companies chose to sponsor a club in order to persuade there audience to use them instead of the thousands of competitors. Rather than aim to attract new customers. I think people decide to gamble then choose a bookie, rather than seeing a bookie and decide to take up gambling.
There is also the question as to where the line is drawn as fast food, fizzy drinks etc have a negative impacts on the lives of many when taken to excess.
So I'm almost on the fence on this issue. As a father I'd rather see those darn golden arches banned rather than a bookie. but as the years go by. that may flip about!
However, being morally responsible is an admirable quality and I respect those of you who have taken a stance against it.


16 Sep 2016 09:47:38
OK MK, no problem mate. Hopefully you can catch it because it's content has a bit of science behind it showing the effects on the brain during a gambling session and how addictive it can be. Cheers for the contribution of all who replied, I realise it's a divisive subject, some think it's easy, just don't go into the bookies or on your mobile but I'd say it's just as difficult for some people to do as saying to an alcoholic to just not go into a pub or off licence.

The buzz from winning is like nothing else and the losing can be severely depressing, but what some people don't realise is to some people gambling is just for the buzz and they sub consciously don't care if they win or lose in the end it's just how much of a buzz they get from a gambling session.


16 Sep 2016 10:12:40
Sorry Magician i find your argument a bit redundant. May as well bring back cigarette advertising if people are going to do it anyway. there's plenty of research that suggests the subliminal influence of advertising and i'm not sure it would do a recovering gambler much good to have reminders of bookies everytime he watched the footy.


16 Sep 2016 10:29:12
This is such a silly post, so are we going to prevent Dunkin Doughnuts, Lucozade, McDonalds, etc, etc from sponsoring our club because they promote a brand that has the potential to cause obesity? Do you want the club to become ultra PC and only be sponsored by ultra ethical brands!

Yes the club have a moral duty to be ethical, and yes gambling addiction has ruined many families and lives, but how far do you go with it? Do you want it to be detrimental to the finances of the club?


16 Sep 2016 10:33:26
Anything you can get out the bookies I say take it. Not too often they payout.


16 Sep 2016 10:48:36
My point is that in comparison to things like TV advertisement, online advertisement and proximity and amount of bookies, a logo of a betting company on a football team's jersey will have nominal effect, people are there to watch the players not stare at the shirts. There are bigger fish to fry than shirt advertisement, such as the aforementioned ones. I'm sure if we were to do a study the majority of betting addicts would point to the TV, or just simply walking in rather than a logo on their favourite team's shirt for getting them started on this destructive behaviour.


16 Sep 2016 11:02:10
Don't know much about gambling but know plenty about alcoholism and don't really have a problem with shirt sponsoring for either as that isn't the problem. We both it isn't that either are inherently bad things it is to do with he people who suffer from it. It isn't the gambling or the drinking it is that the people who suffer struggle with not doing it to excess. For lack of a better term 'normal' people can do it in a controlled manner, eg bet a fiver when they go to a game or a few pints with a mate. Someone with addiction will bet all their wages or drink till they black out, regardless of the consequences of either bankruptcy or a detriment to their health.

But big issue is with the adverts for betting during a match. With drink it isn't seeing carlsberg on an lfc shirt that triggers temptation (partly because when drinking didn't care for name brands or beer, was more tescos own vodka) it was things that cause euphoric recall or gave an excuse to drink. Which is why I think the adverts showing odds are wrong, showing an advert tempting you to bet on Liverpool to make a comeback after losing a first half to me is the same as showing an advert to drink to take stress away of watching your team lose.

So don't see seeing sponsors on a shirt as a necessarily bad thing, as people in addiction know this stuff exists. It is more adverts glamorising it or providing temptation that's a problem.


16 Sep 2016 11:20:41
I can't really understand how anyone could disagree with waro on this, I'm only 19 yet I've already been through a heavy gambling addiction and I think that's another part to the problem, it's becoming a lot more common in young lads who just get easily influenced by it.

I'll give you a run through of how it started with me and maybe a couple might understand, so I turn 18 I'm buzzing obviously I can now legally drink alcohol, buy tobacco and gamble, so what's the first thing I do, I go to the shop grab a crate of Stella a pouch of gold leaf and get ready to have a drink and watch the football, up pops an ad for gambling - about the 50th gambling ad in that 5 minute segment- so obviously realising I can now crack on and place a bet if I want, I jump on the computer make an account and place a £10 bet, I won it picked up a nice £30 and thought decent I'm up £20 which I just leave in the betting account for now, fast forward a couple days later up pops a promotion in my emails, telling me that because I'm a new customer (customer always makes me laugh, what they really mean is now I've allowed myself to be their next mark in their hustle) I can have up to £20 to spend for free on any selected casino game, so again sounds decent let's give it a shot, £20 on 1st twelve (roulette) oh balls I lost, oh I've got £30 in the account though so obviously I decide to use that I lose, by this point I'm thinking rubbish that's £30 and I become greedy and want it back and deposit more (biggest mistake of my life) before I knew it that was the months pay check gone, comes to next month and even a week before my pay day I'm already looking at what game I can play and how to maximise my odds of winning (which you quite simply can't do) so my money comes in and before I know it it's gone, eventually my partner started asking me questions as to where my money goes and why it's her paying for our pub lunch all the time, and through sheer embarrassment I lie and say I leant it to some one, who was paying me back go again to the next pay check and I now have to find a way to come up with the money that I said I was getting paid back so I end up back at it and trying to win it back. At this point I'm in an endless cycle and I'm screwed.

Luckily I escaped it all in the end by coming clean to everyone and they helped me get through it, that's not to say it's escaped me though as I'm left owing over £1000 to loan companies that I borrowed from to fund the addiction after all my money had gone, but I was so close to losing my partner, my dad was ready to chuck me out as I was still living with him at the time and basically my life was nearly torn apart by it (I know it was my own actions that caused it) so after telling you the long winded story, which if anything was nice to get off my chest, I'll get to my point, it started with me being a giddy 18 year old placing a little football bet after seeing an advertisement and ended with me nearly losing everything that mattered to me.

Sorry for the long post and to anyone who reads it I appreciate you taking the time to do so.


16 Sep 2016 12:12:42
Paradise, I'm sorry to hear about that and glad you're back on track. Your post shows the dangers of gambling but also reinforces the point that TV gambling Ads are a far worse problem than a logo on a shirt. That is a far more effective battle to fight as I believe that it is thee main cause of gambling addictions developing. Logo's on a team's jersey have a nominal effect on people gambling. The issue would be convincing the likes of the morally bankrupt Rupert Murdoch to take the betting ads off his channels. I feel us getting £20m (not too sure on the amount suggested) to stick a companies' name on your jersey is broad daylight robbery, helps the club and has minimal effect on people buying or simply researching the company. Betting adverts on the LFC TV channel would be a completely different story however.


16 Sep 2016 12:24:29
Sorry to hear that paradise but glad you've come out of the otherwise and hopefully a wiser person mate, unfortunately there are some who don't have a support network such as yours and they stuck in the cycle that you've mentioned, but I take my hat off to you, well done kid keep it up. Don't bother yourself about the disagrees to my post pc it's the name at the bottom not the content!

Scarface, why was it a silly post? I asked a fellow poster a question about a subject we had discussed a few months earlier, a subject he didn't really know a lot about so the panorama programme may have opened his eyes to the subject in question, nice to see what a selfless and sympathetic person you are, you must be a rock to your friends and family.


16 Sep 2016 12:39:28
Interesting thread this one. My own conclusion. Surround yourself with people you trust and be honest. It's inevitable someone you know will be affected one way or another by some form of addiction. I don't think advertising necessary is the root cause but it sure doesn't help prevent it.


16 Sep 2016 14:13:17
So is advertising for gambling sites as innocuous as promoting McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts or as sinister and detrimental as cigarette advertising? I guess it all depends on how much you believe advertising affects the psyche of the viewing public. I once bought a Hitachi sound system because the team were sponsored by them but i also accept that not every supporter is as gullible as I was.


16 Sep 2016 14:20:53
Did anyone know LFC has their own official 'coconut water partner'?
Ridiculous what the game has been reduced to by businessmen and the filthy lucre.


15 Sep 2016 21:52:00
Ed, who do you believe to be the best manager in the league at the moment, presumbaly Guardiola?

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{Ed001's Note - defo not Pep. I would take Klopp over him every day. I think we have the best manager for us, but Jose is the best man for United and Pep the best man for City for different reasons. Until Klopp wins the league, much as I love him, you have to accept that Jose is the best manager at the moment. Arsene Wenger is just too predictable and Poch has too much to prove.}

15 Sep 2016 22:37:02
Eds 001, why would it definitely not be Pep? I agree completely about Jose ( worse luck ) but I was just curious about why you didn't think it would be pep? Cheers.


{Ed001's Note - because he has proven nothing and tends to overcomplicate his tactics leading to a steady decline in performances after an initial good start.}

16 Sep 2016 00:53:57
Good shout Ed001, but if Carlsberg made moments it would have been tonight when the final whistle blew and the whole stadium was banging out YNWA Mourinhio's face was priceless.

Weakened team or not it was magical to see and hear that song being sung, More and more around the world just shows how much of an impact this club had had over the generations and hopefully with Klopp more to come soon.


{Ed001's Note - I did enjoy that myself.}

16 Sep 2016 01:04:54
You have been spot on so far with your assessment of bilic ed. One good season then it just fizzles out, i'm para phrasing obviously.

Koeman still impressing though, seems to be carrying on where he left off with southampton.

Not sure what to make of pep yet, have to admit his start has been impressive, but they have not been thrashed by us yet so can't tell how they will cope if put down a peg or two.

Think your right mour is just right for that lot and they will have a couple of years success until it all inevitably implodes.

Wenger i think is in his last season and I predicted they will not make top 4 this yr.

Conte will so well with Chelsea and i see them in the mix for top 4, conservative but tactically astute coach.

I think we will win the prem with klopp who will be regarded as the best, just maybe not this yr, top six for me, but hay, delighted if they proved me wrong.


{Ed001's Note - Conte is not tactically astute, his weakness is his tactical acumen - it is non-existent. He is a Martin O'Neill. Gets players playing slightly better but has no idea how to utilise them to their fullest.}

16 Sep 2016 01:51:31
Hi 001 just interested on hearing why you think Jose is the best manager at the moment.


{Ed001's Note - because he wins things. His first couple of seasons he normally improves his team, and that is what United need, someone to build them a side.}

16 Sep 2016 06:49:59
Kloppo is number 1.


{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't argue with that. If he was available in the summer, and had no Liverpool connections, I bet a large number of Man Utd supporters would have preferred the club appointed him than Jose. Though I doubt many would admit that now!}

16 Sep 2016 06:56:02
It's has to be Rafa Benitez although he is in championship. Look at players he had to work with. It's amazing the kinda result he is achieving.


{Ed001's Note - where are you? Only it is obviously nowhere near planet Earth.....}

16 Sep 2016 10:24:27
A lash with the tongue is sometimes worse than a lash with a whip. I felt that one.


16 Sep 2016 12:31:16
Yeah it's amazing taking the biggest club in the championship to second in under 10 games.
Nothing agaisnt Benitez at all, but he should win that league.


15 Sep 2016 21:14:03
Ed001, after seeing Man U lose tonight, do you think they will struggle once again this season or is it just a blip?
I remember you said that Mourinho is by no means perfect and you referred to his torrid year last year at Chelsea so it'd be interesting to see if he can improve this year. I know I'm not posting on the right page but I think you can understand why I wouldn't want to post on the united page (biased replies, big rivalry etc) .
Thanks in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - I still expect them to get top four, it was a weakened team tonight. The result would have been different if they had their full team out, I am sure. Sadly.}

15 Sep 2016 21:37:09
Sadly I agree regarding top four. Pogba looks very overpriced to me but they don't need to worry about splashing masses of money like that; that's the difference between them and the rest.


15 Sep 2016 22:34:01
You got to admit it feels so good to see them lose, even if it doesn't mean much. I think Jose is already showing signs that he could decompensate (talking about his players poor performance vs. City, and then describing Europa as a distraction) . Would love to see him fail, even if that makes me a bad human being.


16 Sep 2016 01:10:27
It was inevitable really, if you come out in the press conference shouting from the rooftops you never wanted this competition and the club didn't want it etc. What message does that send to the players, ahh don't bother lads it don't mean that much.

Then start giving excuses about playin mon, thurs and sunday, wouldn't they have been doing the same if in the champions league!


16 Sep 2016 02:33:42
You're not a bad person coop, Klopp would just call it schadenfreude!


16 Sep 2016 04:02:54
Pogba's been in a much weaker league for the best part of 5 years - give it another few months and he'll be dominating the Premier League.


15 Sep 2016 20:41:42
Good to see former players Kuyt play well and keeper Brad Jones keep a clean sheet against United.

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15 Sep 2016 17:02:02
Do you think its a good thing to not know your strongest 11 when everyone is fit and have strong competition for places so its keeps people on their toes and allowing the option to rotate players depending upon the game in hand, also keeping the opposition guessing or is it better to have a set first team that plays together week in week out so they can gel properly and get to now instantly what everyone is going to be doing with others to come in as cover as and when needed?

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15 Sep 2016 18:17:45
For us this season I'd swerve towards the settled starting 11 camp. No Europe so more time in between games to get the team prepared for the weekend. Only change if loss of form or injury.

If we qualify for Champions League then you need to make some changes.


15 Sep 2016 19:38:07
You don't need a best team, you need a best squad. If any player is off form, they will be dropped and have to wait for a place to open up. Keeps players on their toes, no more being relaxed or off form and still playing every week. Competition drives more competition.


16 Sep 2016 06:03:34
when benitez was manager the team pretty much picked itself with the exception of one or two positions. whenever we had injuries it seemed a vastly weaker team would play with no option son the bench. seems we can switch thing up now a fair bit across midfield and attack without dropping in quality. a great problem to have!


{Ed001's Note - the problem with Rafa's team was that the back ups had no football. They were sat on the bench during first team matches and did not take part in reserve games, so they were rusty. That gave them no chance to be able to be at the same level as the ones playing every week.}

16 Sep 2016 15:27:07
Fair point Ed but were they that good anyway? Even prior to joining us and after leaving us I don't recall many being particularly successful other than maybe benayoun? ( who I think probably played less than he deserved to) it's been a while so maybe my memory is just a bit hazy!


{Ed001's Note - impossible to say, they had years of inactivity, that kills careers on a regular basis.}

15 Sep 2016 16:39:28
Is it just me, or do you guys also have more faith when we play the top teams than when we play lower league teams?

Burnley was an example, but over the past few years we have put in real performances against teams like City, Chelsea and Arsenal, but then lose to teams like Villa, Palace, Swansea etc.

I look forward to Friday, I think we will do well and should score a goal or two.

I am more worried about Hull.

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15 Sep 2016 17:42:47
We did not ease pass Chelsea in recent times and it was Chelsea who denied us the title.
Chelsea + Italian manager = Less space and deep defending. We need to crack this code somehow.


15 Sep 2016 18:23:51
Does sweet chin music = Harry?


15 Sep 2016 18:58:31
Just you mate, I've 100% belief 100% of the time 😎.


15 Sep 2016 19:26:18
We do to top teams what Burnley and their ilk do to us.

Top Top teams find a way to pinch the winner in a tight game.


15 Sep 2016 19:56:57
u know your a regular when u don't even have to ask if the new i'd is harry.


15 Sep 2016 16:37:48
Out if interest is there a specifc reason why we are playing on a friday instead of a sunday for instance?

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15 Sep 2016 16:58:29
Sky's new TV deal means 10 more Premier League games this season and the next two. As Saturday, Sunday and indeed Monday night schedules are already full, these 10 extra matches will be aired on Friday nights, Chelsea v Liverpool being one (Man U v Southampton was the first this season) .


15 Sep 2016 17:07:08
Thanks reid much appreciated, so we have super sunday and monday night football, what is friday, tgi friday night football!


15 Sep 2016 19:31:08
I think its brilliant.

Id like all our games played in the evening under the lights.

There seems to be more atmosphere but maybe its because I'm linking evening kickoffs with the great European nights.

Anyway the more football the better.


15 Sep 2016 23:02:21
We play United on a Monday night so we are under the lights again.


15 Sep 2016 14:44:53
I truly think this match vs Costa will be watershed moment for Matip if he is truly world class or just one of those ball playing defender who cannot handle physical forwards.

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15 Sep 2016 14:51:23
you clearly didn't watch the game against Leicester when he held off Vardy (who is far from lightweight) and 2 other Leicester players.


15 Sep 2016 14:58:32
So your logic is Vardy = Costa? Ok, lol.


15 Sep 2016 15:08:48
Lee when did i equate the two, i said he has shown his strength already that was my point. you do pull things outta thin air.


15 Sep 2016 15:22:48
So after 3 games for us your'e making a judgment in matip vs Costa in 1 game whether he's world class? What a ridiculous statement. It will be a tough test as it is for most defenders. Just leave it at that.


15 Sep 2016 15:52:01
So your logic is to only judge him on one game? Ok, lol.


15 Sep 2016 16:06:24
Lets label our players world class, no pressure what so ever.

Despite all of his antics Costa is one of the best strikers in the world, so if you can´t handle him, then clearly you´re just "one of those ball playing defenders"?

No matter what, you can´t judge a player on one match, right? I guess that Balotelli is a World class striker because he scored 2 goals in his last game?

So far Matip has looked decent, let's just keep it at that for now, then at the end of the season we can discuss whether he is world class or not.


15 Sep 2016 16:36:51
Who ever mentioned Matip being world class? Is it because he is in a Liverpool shirt now?


15 Sep 2016 16:53:44
Cheers for the input Leek.


15 Sep 2016 18:14:20
To be fair Skrtel handled Costa fairly well in the games he played against him and we all know he's not world class.

Being world class mears doing it consistently over a number of seasons - or it used to before the Internet and YouTube anyway.


15 Sep 2016 18:51:52
Allo Allow, Costa is the most physicalikely and aggressive striker in league, if Matip can cope with him, he cn cope with nobody. Other striker I feel is close to Costa is Andy caroll. Yes after a watching 4 games and press season, I will be judging if matip good defender or great defender base on this match.


15 Sep 2016 19:01:43
Costa will have a tough time finding his way out of Matip's pocket at the end of the game 😎.


15 Sep 2016 20:37:02
Chill out please Lee.


15 Sep 2016 23:17:09
Mario handled Harry Kane, as physical a striker as you will see in the PL and Vardy who has more pace than both Costa and Kane put together, very well so not too worried. This doesn't mean Matip is an outstanding defender neither will it mean he is rubbish if Costa gets the better of him tomorrow. Basing a player's ability on just one game's performance is stupid and baseless. You have to judge his whole body of work within a period of time and still, you won't be able to judge. Look at Lovren. This is his third season here yet many are still not sure he's what we need long term. Just chill out and watch the games instead of jumping into conclusions.


15 Sep 2016 23:19:44
Lee maybe judge fans the same eh?


15 Sep 2016 14:02:45
Hi all. Not liverpool related . read spurs" are staging group games at Wembley as the capacity of their own White Hart Lane ground has been reduced as they build their new stadium" why is this allowed. surely not. ? Thoughts?

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15 Sep 2016 15:01:03
Apparently Daniel Levy is a free mason.


15 Sep 2016 19:02:36
Isn't there a precedent? Arsenal?


15 Sep 2016 11:53:30
Would just like to say, with the crazy figures being banded about for defenders this summer gone (an no sign of it stopping! ) Matip looks like an absolute steal!

See John Stones, Marcos Alonso, Shokran Mustafi, Eric Bailly, etc. As well huge failed bids for Koulibally, De Vrij, Romagnoli.

Not one of the above players represents any value. All very overpriced.

Well done to Klopp, scouts and team for bringing in Matip for such a modest amount.

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15 Sep 2016 13:24:30
I agree on all except Bailly. He will be one of the best centre backs in world football in my opinion. United definitely got a fair deal on him.

But spot on regarding Matip. He is an absolute bargain.


15 Sep 2016 14:02:34
Out of interest, who was the greatest centre back ever? I loved watching Hanson play but that's obviously biased.


15 Sep 2016 15:14:47
Annie fields, it has to be Franz Beckenbauer or franco Baresi.


15 Sep 2016 15:35:42
Well in my lifetime, my favourites have been Hyppia, Carra and Agger. Just loved watching them play growing up.

Hopefully Matip can become one of our best one day, I still have high hopes for young Gomez too!


15 Sep 2016 15:43:09
I hated watching Hanson live, mediocre music. Alan Hansen, however, was one of the best! ;-)

That's such a difficult question, Annie. I can only go off the last 30 years as prior to that was before my time. However. for Liverpool, you would struggle to choose between the two 'H's - Hansen and Hyypia.

Away from Liverpool, I would rate Maldini as the best, but also honourable mentions for Terry and Ferdinand, at their peak of course.

Right now, the CB I wish we could have is Varane - he will be the best, imo.


15 Sep 2016 15:54:46
I never saw puyol have a bad game!


15 Sep 2016 16:21:24
The best centre back ever was Lucas Neil.


15 Sep 2016 16:32:04
Maldini or Bekenbaur. imagine both?


15 Sep 2016 18:27:56
Good shouts leek.


15 Sep 2016 18:37:28
Depends how old you are. The best centre half and also the best centre forward I have seen is the same man. John Charles.


15 Sep 2016 19:04:15
Ron Yeats.


15 Sep 2016 20:53:13
We don't actually know how good Matip is yet. It's far too early on in the season to judge anyone's buys!


15 Sep 2016 22:32:55
Gotta be Franco Baresi. Is it even close. Maldini was a better LB than a CD. He's the best LB ever for me. Great at CD too - but Baresi was the boss.

This would be my dream squad.

Schmeichel

Cafu Baresi Hansen Maldini

Keane Desailly

Messi Cruyff Zidane

Batistuta

Subs: Buffon (GK), Irwin (LB/ RB), Koeman (CD), Beckenbaur (CM), Maradona (AMLRC), Ronaldo [Brazil] (CF)


15 Sep 2016 22:53:06
Ron Yeats was an absolute giant, Bobby Moore was brilliant (yes, I know he was a Hammer and not LFC, Phil Thompson was astonishing and Mark Lawrenson was a much better player than he is a pundit! We are lucky to have had some truly great players in those positions.


15 Sep 2016 23:29:14
Sebrusbass, I will accept your back line but for GK, I will pick Gialuigi Buffon's very own idol and role model, the Cameroonian Thomas Nkono. Any goalie whom Buffon learned from deserves to be there, IMO. Messi, Keane and Batistuta don't even make the bench and should never be starting ahead of Maradona, Ronaldinho, Pele and for the striker position, it's a toss up between Ronaldo and Van Basten, two of the best strikers the world has ever seen, period.


15 Sep 2016 11:28:48
Curious on what happened with the recruit from the BR regime, Dr Steven Peters.

He was (officially) credited for doing great work with some of the more troubled-in-the-head players, and these (Suarez, Sterling, Henderson, Sturridge, Gerrard to name a few) really seemed to improve on the pitch.

Then (spring 2014 I think) he also joined the England national team. And about this time sort of faded out from Liverpool. Or was it a clear cut here?

Was he a Rodgers man, eg. building great characters, or was there more to him? What happened with his Liverpool tenure?

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15 Sep 2016 15:26:39
He's a therapist. Wrote a book. "The Chimp Paradox". Interesting read, but common sense in places.


15 Sep 2016 19:06:50
You know 'The Office' episode where Brent gets a team building expert in and then sabotages it by making it all about him and how he'd do it?
That's how I imagine Rodgers and Peter's working together 😄.


16 Sep 2016 10:10:35
Ron:
Actual LOL. That is brilliant. This is an image in my head that now can't be unseen. And I now know that is what happened.


15 Sep 2016 10:20:45
Dear fellow reds,

due to the nature of my employment, I am unable to get to games regularly, with my last game being Tranmere away in pre-season and Sevilla before that in Basel. However, I have been able to get time free for Derby away next week, but due to the criteria for ticket sales on the LFC site, I can't purchase one. Does anyone know where I can get or have a spare one?

Many thanks.

YNWA.

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15 Sep 2016 09:03:58
Ed001, Can you also be making a pre-match preview in addition to the post match review. stating your preferred lineups and prediction for the game. would be really nice of you if you could create time for it. always appreciate your adept knowledge of the game.

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{Ed001's Note - the problem with that is that I am superstitious, which is why I don't give predictions before we play on the sites. I could never bring myself to predict anything but a win anyway, as it would feel wrong to suggest we could ever lose, even though it does happen. Overall though, doing some kind of pre-match preview is not a bad idea though, if I just don't put any predictions in.

People will have to bear in mind that I was asked never to give away any teams by the club, so I never ask for information about teams, so it would have to be purely an opinion piece rather than based on information.}

15 Sep 2016 10:04:50
we are in the same boat then ed001, everytime i watch football with my mates (im usually the only liverpool fan by the way amongst arsenal fans most of the time) i'd ALWAYS say liverpool would win no matter who it was against, probably more of what i want than what i'm predicting hahah.

Anyways despite wanting to get information about teams, i think the club comes first and if you're going to give pre-match previews, i'd prefer u to keep it that way, purely your opinion.


{Ed001's Note - that's good then. I just wouldn't want people getting the wrong idea and thinking they will be getting some inside info ahead of the game. The club felt it affected performances when the opposing team had info ahead of the game, whether they were right or wrong I would be remiss in my role as a fan of the club if I even took a risk that it could have.}

15 Sep 2016 19:08:49
And while you're at it ed, how about some live commentary? 😄.


{Ed001's Note - just imagine bleep bleep bleep for 90minutes and you would have the live commentary.....}

15 Sep 2016 20:47:18
😄 a bit like the live chat when we're not winning then?


{Ed001's Note - except less friendly....}

15 Sep 2016 04:22:17
Everyone has been rightly raving about the new stand but have to say - how good does the new grass look. Miles better than the old stuff which was more threadbare than my bank account.

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15 Sep 2016 09:05:47
That's like going to see the pyramids and saying how nice the sand was. Haha.


14 Sep 2016 23:47:13
What is this stupid craze with blonde hair? Really tho I remember the Romanian nation side for world cup 98 I think the entire team was blonde on another note quick question for all including eds. Greatest player of this generation and why for me Andreas inesta for me hands down. The influence he has had on every Barcelona team is astonishing in my opinion he doesn't get the credit he so deserves. Goes down in my top 5 greatest players of all time thanks eds.

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15 Sep 2016 14:01:22
Depends on what you define as this generation. I would say that spans a 10 year period. So between 2006 and 2016, I am inclined to agree with you in part. In fact I would say the top 5 players of the last 10 years (or this generation as you put it) are Messi, Iniesta, Alonso, Ronaldo (Portugal) and Xavi. Probably in that order to be honest.

The generation before, I only just caught the back end of it due to being a youngling but I would say Ronaldo (Brazil), Ronaldinho, Zidane, Cafu and Henry were my top 5 in there.

It is hard to judge in increments of 10 years though. As in between 2004 and 2008, Gerrard was without a doubt (at least in my mind) the best player in the world. He just couldn't sustain it for an entire generation. And between 2000-2007 there were some outstanding players in Serie A such as Maldini, Nesta, Eto'o, Nedved, Cannavaro, Kaka, Ibrahimović, Del Piero and Totti.

If you we're to call the 5 best players right now it would probably be Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Bale and Kroos. Give it 2 years and that will change again though!

It just changes so frequently that for me, you have to sustain your class over a decade to be considered in the top 5 of your generation. The best player I have ever seen though has to be the original Ronaldo from Brazil. He was extraordinary.


{Ed001's Note - you would have Xavi in there? I wouldn't. But anyway, the point I actually wanted to make is that a generation usually refers to 20 years. That is the standard definition when used in terms of population. No idea why.}

15 Sep 2016 14:50:10
suarez is the best striker on the planet at the moment, his goals and assists record is second to none, if he was playing for us today under klopp, we would walk this league as his work rate is perfect for a klopp team.


15 Sep 2016 18:43:23
Why not Xavi Ed? I did originally put Lahm as I think he is the only full back of his generation who can actually defend to a really good level. Then I dropped in Buffon for being the best keeper in my lifetime. Then I even dabbled towards Klose for just being a pure goal scorer at every level and sustaining it for so long.

But in the end I just felt I couldn't leave Xavi out. This last 10 years has been dominated by Spanish club teams and Spain on an international level. That has all been down to the fact that Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso are just 3 of the best midfielders in history. When managers say "make the ball do the work" there is no better example than those 3. They were truly astonishing not just for their longevity or sustained success, but just for how effortless they made and are still making the game appear. Which is also a misconception anyway as they work so hard off the ball to always be in position!

I just couldn't look past him in the end. Who would your top 5 players of the last 10 years be out of interest?


{Ed001's Note - I don't think it is down to Xavi, I think Iniesta has been more instrumental and Alonso with the national team. Don't get me wrong, Xavi is a very good player, but he is not special like those two. He has been shown up badly in Qatar, as he simply just isn't good enough to play without the world class players all around him.

Now you mention it, how could you leave out Buffon??? World class at times, despite a longstanding back problem. He has to be in there.

Of the last ten years? Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Iniesta and Alonso off the top of my head. I would say Dani Alves would be ahead of Xavi in my opinion. What Xavi does, he does well, but it is very limited and very reliant on having quality players around him.}

15 Sep 2016 22:08:06
To be fair, I only left Suarez out because I think he has only been at the top for the last 4 years. He is hands down the best in the world right now.

Yeah I felt bad for cutting Buffon!


 
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