Liverpool Banter Archive November 15 2010

 

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15 Nov 2010 23:43:47
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I can't ever remember teams like West Ham, Blackpool or even Man City looking at the fixtures and rubbing their hands in glee when Liverpool come up next.
We are even the laughing stock of midtable teams. West Ham game doesn't fill me with confidence and it's heart breaking. Its like Mr Ferguson has somehow planted Hondgson on us himself. How United must be peeing themselves laughing.
It needs to change

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15 Nov 2010 23:42:04
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Ed where do you foresee Suso playing? I know he is a massive talent but I have also heard he does not have the pace to be a winger? So a midfielder? Also is he another of these diminutive Spanish types like Pacheco? Not that it really matters with Roy in charge!
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - I think he will end up being a playmaker, definitely central, but it will depend on who he plays for. He could play behind a striker or a pair of them, maybe even the Iniesta-type role, hard to know whether he is a forward or midfielder that fella! Suso is small now and likely to stay that way, but his talent should more than make up for any lack of height.}

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15 Nov 2010 23:35:19
The emergence of Martin Kelly and the ownership of Fenway Sports Group , might be the only plus points of this season .

The emergence of Martin Kelly could be one of the great developments of the LFC academy , a better choice for Centre Back than all but Daniel Agger in our squad .

And of course Fenway Sports Group continue to impress us with there approach .

I think the First Team needs to get behind Martin Kelly and nurture him into one of the best Centre Halfs the club has ever had - Tommy Smith , Emlyn Hughes and Mark Lawrenson et al .

I think Roy Hodgson is trying to be too clever with our reserves , using their inexperience as an excuse for holding them back? All they need is a decent chance to prove their talent , we should be delighting in them .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 23:29:28
I grew up with a 1st team playing 42 matches and a reserve team playing 42 matches. If a 1st teamer was dropped then he played for the reserves. This meant that all the players were taking part in some sort of competitive match. That doesn't happen these days. What do the squad players do when not actually in the 1st team? Up to now Ryan Babel has made one appearence for the reserves and no other 1st team squad member has. Even the younger players don't seem to get a chance to develope. We have in fact three different squads - 1st team, reserves, and under-18s. There is hardly any crossover and more than seventy players have been used at the different levels. It seems that if a player is in one squad he stays there and has no chance of developing even further. This all needs to be looked into and pretty quiick too!
Mal 27

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15 Nov 2010 23:22:25
On the issue of Daniel Pacheco - very skillful , pacy , creative and attack minded . Yet Roy Hodgson is not convinced . Lightweight maybe ?

What if Graeme Souness had thought that Steve Mcmanaman was not upto it? And Mcmanaman scored a European Cup Final goal .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 23:16:58
What will it take to see some of those reserve players regularly in the First Team ?

When Roy Hodgson took over he was forced to field many reserves and youth players during a pre season tour , he said at the time "it would hold everybody in good stead as he knew that he could call upon those players if the First Team ever needed them"

I think there are many players in the reserves now that would brighten up the First Team , yet Roy Hodgson only picks the defensive minded players .

Almost all of the players that are being linked to us for transfer in the January tranfer window are second best to what the club already has in reserve .

I feel short changed by Roy Hodgson on this issue .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 23:14:21
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I think there are more reasons to be excited about the LFC reserves at the moment than there are reasons to be excited about the first team .

1977


- - Without a doubt man. Pacheco, Wilson, Darby, Ayala, Robinson, Bruna, Suso, Amoo, also Shelvey, Kelly Eccleston, heard Gulacsi and Ince are good too. Sterling coming through- -(Have you seen we re short of front players there too?)

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15 Nov 2010 23:01:22
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Does anyone else feel that Sammy Lee is a dead-ringer for an older and slimmer Chris Farley?

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15 Nov 2010 22:53:28
One gets the feeling Roy Hodgson is only prepared to give the Foreign Reserves and the Attacking Reserves a First Team chance if they are World Beaters .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 22:50:30
I think there are more reasons to be excited about the LFC reserves at the moment than there are reasons to be excited about the first team .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 22:14:59
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Why in the lords sweet name do Barca need Affeley? Weahould put a bid in for Pedro then.

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15 Nov 2010 22:07:52
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The biggest flaw of Hodgson for me is his complete lack of ability to be able to motivate the squad if things aren`t going our way. His substitutions, apart from gerrard coming on against Napoli seem to have have no game changing impact whatsoever, the games against stoke and wigan we werent unlucky not to win those games we were dominated.No matter how inept our squad may or may not be we should be able to at least be able to create a period of pressure on there goal.Without the motivation of an anfield crowd we can`t raise our game.Please no more carra at right back roy, if you want soto in at CB to combat aerial threats, have the bottle to drop carra to the bench and put kelly in at RB

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15 Nov 2010 21:59:34
What about stan collymore for manager, he loves liverpool seems to know everything about football, if he can smack ulrika he would have probs controlling a few players plus he knows all the good dogging sites, lol

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15 Nov 2010 21:58:30
The only way i would support roy, is if comes out and said this is a big job expectations are high here , and play more attacking football , even if we get beat , at least we tried 2 win the game YNWA

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15 Nov 2010 21:55:37
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Let's face it, Roy is staying until end of season when Liverpool will finish in second half of the table & everton will finish above us!

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15 Nov 2010 21:43:00
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Andre Villas Boas :

G W D L
Academica 30 11 10 9

Porto 18 16 2 0


Now I don't know what you guys think, but for a 33 year old in a big job at a big club, that is a very good record in his managerial career so far.

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15 Nov 2010 21:11:17
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The main issue with the team at this time is that there isn't a single leader of men in the squad. We have Gerrard as the clubs king pin and whilst he is clearly a capable player and has the ability to turn a game with his footballing potential, i don't think he carries the sort of 'fear factor' associated with the likes of Souness, case, Molby, Hypia or Mcmahon. When playing away from home in tough fixtures such as the likes of Stoke, the aforementioned were the type that had it in them to do the 'necessary' tough tackling or protection job, which would ultimately inspire the rest of the team when backs were against the wall. Mascherano was no Souness but that's the nearest we've had in ten years.

Catermoll scared Gerrard off the park a few weeks ago and i've noticed when Gerrard starts getting shoved around a bit at a set piece he can fade out of the game. The Clayheads were giving him some stick over his slap punch in the bar and that must have resinated with him and affected his game.

In addition to two strikers and wingers, we need a marshall in the middle to protect Gerrard and inspire the team when necessary, Lucas has been playing well but will never be the finished article. Meireles has energy but doesn't have the ability to marshall.

All the great title winning sides have had one. The likes of Bremner, Larry LLoyd, Roy keane, Paul Ince, Souness, David Batty, Steve Mcmahon, Adams, the list goes on.

Its a big priority in my opinion and we can buy all the fancy talent the globe as to offer (just likel man city) but if you havn't got a man capable of marshaling both on and off the field, you'll never have a title winning side.

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15 Nov 2010 20:54:49
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Does anyone else think that Comolli sounds like Inspector Clouseau?! LOL

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15 Nov 2010 20:53:04
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The kids are not ready! !

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15 Nov 2010 20:46:04
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Its time ROY starts makeing examples of big time charlies by benching them, he needs to start blooding the kids as 4 of them are ready to step up and give us new energy to push on.He also needs to drop RAFAS game of square pegs in round holes.
ROY YOU HAVE THE TOOLS NOW USE THEM BEFORE ITS TO LATE

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15 Nov 2010 20:44:42
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Would some of the half-wits who are bandying about the names of every manager under the sun please take 2 steps back and take their medication. All day long I have seen Sean O'Driscoll, Martin O'Neill, Glenn Hoddle, Rafa Benitez being linked with the post and now Neil Warnock.

For fog's sake has everybody been sniffing paint thinners? Is this really the standard that we see ourselves aspiring to? Why stop there? Perhaps someone could e-mail NESV that Accrington Stanley manager John Coleman could be tempted to take the job as he would not have far to travel.

There's a guy I go to matches with who has a son who has had 3 excellent seasons on Football League Manager. The young lad is unemployed and could do with a chance.

Look, the point is that, if we want to attract the best players in the world we need to have a manager that is worthy of the title. Andre Villas Boas, Jorge Jesus, Guus Hiddink, Pep Guardiola, Joachim Loew and Didier Deschamps are all good footballing coaches who believe in playing the game the right way. In my opinion this is how we should be looking to progress.

Bring in a quality manager and furnish him with sidekicks who are enthusiastic and who know the club. Sami Hyypia, Gary McAllister, John Aldridge and Phil Thompson all spring to mind. They would instantly command the respect of the current playing staff and would prove to be popular appointments among the fans.

The Anfield Wigmaker.

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15 Nov 2010 20:36:34
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You know it is the first time that I have ever seen Liverpool fans calling for the head of a manager. I have been a supporter for 30+ years and remember Kenny as a player and stood on the Kop watching Barnes, Beardsley and Aldo. Even Souness was liked more than Roy, I do not understand how they could get rid of Rafa and pay him £6mil and then pay to get Roy in?
I think he has had enough chances and needs to go now before he takes the club even further down than what it is. When he inherited the club we had virtually the same squad that finished second bar Alonso and he does not have the belief that we can even win games?
Then he pays £6 mil to Juve for Poulson and then gives them £20 mil Aqua on loan for nothing? they must be laughing their tits off. I'm just hurting and Kenny could not do any worse than what is happening now at least the players would play with some heart.
I'm just hoping the meeting tonight is to kick Roy back to Fulham where he can manage in a more low key way that suits him.

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15 Nov 2010 20:33:43
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John henry has said in an interview, that we are wrong to blame hodgson or any particular player for the way we are playing, we need to be patient as the club has been through tough times and still are.
comolli has also come out in support of hodgson, saying that they have a good working relationship, and they talk a lot about different footballing matters, and agree about many issues concerning the clubs future.
so redmen it does not look like uncle woy is going anywhere yet, and this could be due to the fact that they have not found the right man for the job yet, or, it could be that for some reason NESV have this strange loyalty towards uncle woy and strangely believe that he can pull the rabbit out of the hat and turn our game around with wise decisions with comolli in january and summers transfer market to put us back with the champions league big boys.
i personally hope that they are just playing for time with uncle woy, with all intentions of putting him out to pasture when the perfect replacement has been found, but warning redmen this might just take a bit longer than we hope!

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15 Nov 2010 20:22:27
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Evening ed. can't see Roy getting the sack till end of season, after the j w henry interview two weeks ago on bbc. and I think we will be in the bottom five by then. could you check the earlier quote about how many away wins Roy has had since 1980 if it is only 13 then we must question who choose roy as manager over the other supposed candidates. And if the same people choose NESV we could have a bigger problem than first thought.cheers psvelnino {ed's note - that is just in the English leagues though, I am sure he would have got one or two in Sweden as well.}

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15 Nov 2010 20:21:22
If roy is not sacked we may as well be sponsored by tampax, good for one week no use whatsoever for the other 3, jimmybosun

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15 Nov 2010 20:17:59
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We need four players in jan, what positions do you think we need to stregthen and who would you like to sign?

Follow me on twitter: LuisLFC_03BEEF
(i need followers ;)

BIN ROY!

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15 Nov 2010 20:10:31
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Flores for manager any one ?

LFC1

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15 Nov 2010 20:09:01
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Leave hodgson alone u haters just go suport man utd u glory hunters and nesv said its not his fault in the meeting

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15 Nov 2010 20:06:11
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I know every body wants roy out and beleive me the way we are playing there is some due cause, but come on were liverpool fans suppose to be the best fans in the world give him a chance at least 1 transfer window and a whole season

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15 Nov 2010 19:54:25
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1. Get Andre Villas Boas
- young (33)
- success wherever's he's been (saved Academia from relegation, currently has an unbeaten record with Porto despite key players leaving over the summer)
- plays attractive football
- extremely ambitious
- learned from Mourinho (who, say what you like about him, is probably the best manager in the world)

2. Sell
- Konchesky
- Jovanovic
- Kyrgiakos
- Maxi
- Babel
- Lucas
- Insua
- Aquilani
- Ngog
- Spearing
- Poulsen
- Itandje
- El Zhar
- Darby
- Skrtel

3. Rebuild

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15 Nov 2010 19:49:59
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15 Nov 2010 17:20:38
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Right i don't like Roy Hodgson don't think we'll ever win the title with him as manager.

But you have to say were actually only 6 points off a champs league place.

And yes i know that if he wasn't our manger then we would be higher up and in them places but we are there and in with a very good shout Still

NESV arn't going to get rid of him just yet when were that close he has to do alot worse and i'm sure he will but untill that point lets back him a little. . . . . . yer ok lad let's be supportive over Roy because we r only 6 points of cl, encased ya didn't know we r only 3 points above relagation.

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15 Nov 2010 19:42:34
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After the last two games performances I am also in favour of Roy leaving. However, I am not at the stage where i feel we need to panic and replace him with just anyone.
The top 6 teams in the prem are without doubt, Liverpool. Arsenal, Manure, Man city, Chelsea and Spurs. . All 6 had the majority of their squads playing at the world cup. meaning these players didn't get a proper pre season. . or a rest!
Liverpool had the most players at the WC, more than every other team and out of those top 6 we are playing the worst.
Now lets look at the results so far in the prem.
Chelsea, Arse and Man City have lost 3 times already and Spurs have lost 4 times.
The so called 'smaller' teams are getting results they wouldn't normally get, theyre players are fresh and fitter cos they had a good break and a pre season to train. . Our problem is we have no strength of depth to pick from to give our 'stars' a rest. . Lets hope in January we will get a couple of quality players in, were still only 3pts off 5th!. Not bad for a team that's playing so woefully with god awful tactics and no passion!

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15 Nov 2010 19:40:33
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Ed.what are your thought, s on john aldridge as a manager.did a great job at tranmere but would, nt cough up with money for that prem push. {ed's note - I don't know mate, he did alright with Tranmere, but I am not convinced that he is the right man.}

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15 Nov 2010 19:36:18
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Nesv have changed its name to fenway group.

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15 Nov 2010 19:29:57
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Lets everybody forget bout players comin in in jan, lets focus on a new manager comin in, we hav a good core of players with youth an expierence but a s* te manager to coach them

ed your thoughts ? {ed's note - the problem is that we are pretty much stuck with Roy unless we lose a lot more matches. Much as I dislike his tactics I would rather put up with him than see us lose!}

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15 Nov 2010 19:28:22
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Anybody think Suso should be starting or at least be on the bench. He's going to be a star very soon. The soon he plays for the 1st team the better he will become. Any news on Roy going. Roy worst ever Liverpool manager?

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15 Nov 2010 19:27:23
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Laudrup? great player but is he a good manger?
i don't kno enough about this so im askin ed

is he someone who firstly could do a job for liverpool an secondly would he come? {ed's note - he plays good attacking football with his teams, hard to know if he would be able to lead Liverpool to glory, but he is a Liverpool fan.}

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15 Nov 2010 19:25:31
Hey dr guyz, im from south africa , been watching games unda WOY his tactics hav 2 cum unda question even unda rafa we lacked width but d difference now d is d gap between midfield and nando we don't hav gr8 pace bt we always had gud passers eg molby, hamman, alonso and even aquaman (who should hav bn given mre time )thanx .ed plz let me knw your thoughts {ed's note - I agree, it is his tactics that are bothering me, we are sitting too deep and looking for defenders to hoof the ball up field.}

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15 Nov 2010 19:20:11
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Liverpool please get rid of woy dodgson he cannot manage us, u r makin me ill, i can't sleep i can't eat and il lose my job if i aint careful

terryynwa

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15 Nov 2010 19:15:09
Comolli interview :


Damien Comolli, Liverpool's director of football strategy has said he will concentrate on bringing 'young English or British kids' into the club, in his first interview in his new job.

In a conversation with the club's official website, the Frenchman added he was looking forward to working with manager Roy Hodgson and youth academy ambassador Kenny Dalglish.

When asked whether it was owner John Henry's desire to bring young players to the club, which helped him decide to come to the club, Comolli vehemently assented.

He said: "When you say every big club in Europe will be after young players, that's obvious, but we really want to concentrate on getting young English or British kids.

"I think that's very important if we want to keep an identity to get those kids into the football club. That's the first thing.

"Usually the big European clubs don't come into England to get players so there will be massive competition in England with all the other big clubs.

"You can go down one route which is spending hundreds of millions of pounds or you can go down another route which says we have a strong identity, a strong philosophy, we know what we want to do, we know the club has history and we know how important the academy has been in the past."

Comolli added his role is to help with this process and bring the kind of players to the club, which will secure Liverpool's future.

"You need to spot them, identify them, make sure they've got the right attitude, the right mentality, the right spirit that you want them around on a day to day basis, " he said. "That's the thing. The second thing is convincing them to come.

"That requires a lot of time, it requires a skill set from the scouts, or from myself, or from Kenny [Dalglish] because I'm sure Kenny can have a massive impact if he meets the kid or his parents."

Manager Roy Hodgson has endured a torrid time of late, with some fans chanting Dalglish's name in the recent defeat to Stoke - indicating their managerial preference. Comolli however, said he has the greatest respect for Hodgson and was excited to work with him and Dalglish.

He said: "We [Hodgson and him] already had a good relationship from my time at Spurs. We've been talking at length since I joined, several times a day on different issues and different matters, we talk about everything.

"I think this relationship is going to grow in a positive way, that's for sure. We see things the same way. So far everything we have discussed we totally agree and have the same vision. I expect that's going to go on.

"When you see the clubs he has managed and the national teams he has managed, what he's done at Fulham, what he's done at Blackburn and obviously being in charge here.

"In Switzerland maybe people don't realise how difficult it was when he was there, he changed the mentality of the people, tactically he brought new stuff in and I have got a lot of respect for him."

Comolli insisted he was not there to take over the transfer decisions from Roy Hodgson, but said he would help in any way he could with potential signings.

"The manager's decision and the manager's opinion on a player is absolutely crucial, " he said. "As far as I am concerned, and the way I have always worked in this job, is do not bring a player in who the manager doesn't like because there's no point.

"In the short term, in my position you always think of the next window or the next two windows and I think everybody has got this in mind.

"As I've just joined, we've got only a few weeks to prepare for the window but we are also looking at the summer transfer window."



AJI

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15 Nov 2010 19:13:57
JWH interview :
Liverpool owner John Henry has attempted to take the heat off Roy Hodgson by telling fans that no individual is solely responsible for the club's current on field decline.

Calls for Kenny Dalglish to succeed the current Reds manager rang out from supporters following a dismal performance in Saturday's 2-0 defeat to Stoke City, seeing the pressure Hodgson was placed under at the beginning of last month intensify once again.

In an interview with Save LFC, an internet pressure group set up specifically to help in the efforts to oust former owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks, Henry described the current slump as a 'very difficult period' but refused to allow the manager or players to take the blame.

New England Sports Ventures (NESV) principal owner cited last weekend's win over Chelsea as cause for optimism that their plans to deliver the winning factor back to Anfield will be a relatively smooth transition of the team can deliver those performances on a regular basis.

He said: "The club has gone through a very difficult period and the period has not ended. We've dealt with baseball players and race car drivers at the highest level. LFC also have players at the highest level.

"These players all want the same things. They want to win. It's up to us to build a winner going forward. It's up to them to determine to win now. We saw a certain team on the field against Chelsea last week that showed what they can do.

"This club can be better. Blaming the manager or any one particular player is simply wrong. This club needs to play up to their potential every match. If they don't, they won't win."

Speculation has mounted in recent weeks over which names and faces will be making their way to the red half of Merseyside in the winter transfer window and who may also leave, but Henry insists that every player he has spoken to insists that they want to remain at the club.

However he has ruled out any plans for any grand rebuilding process in January and instead believes that the summer will allow NESV to begin to shape their Anfield dynasty.

He added: "We have work to do and must invest in this club to improve it on the field. Can that be successfully done in January? A number of people I've talked with doubt it.

"Most people seem to think it will be the summer before we can really begin to improve. So the players - all eleven each week - have to be on the same page every match and have to live up to the history and respect this club has engendered - no matter what.

"I've met with a number of our players and had private discussions with some of them. I've been greatly impressed by them personally. They are all exceptionally bright and they all want to be here.

"We need everyone focused on what needs to be done in the next match facing us and during that match. The club should not have to settle for less. As one insightful player told me, "The spirit of the side needs to be there like a family - as one." AJI

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15 Nov 2010 19:02:31
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15 Nov 2010 18:46:40
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15 Nov 2010 18:21:54
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}
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AMOO, NGOO AND SUSO LOOK EXCELLENT TO ME.

The thing is if u took 2 players of that list. . . added torres, gerrard and reina. . . WHAT A TEAM! !. . . .what do u think ed? {ed's note - I would say that would be a much better team than our current first team.}

Here we go ed. . .


REINA
KELLY WILSON AYALA MAVINGA

GERRARD COADY

SUSO
STERLING PACHECO

TORRES

I do genuinely think with this team we would be at least 11th and they would only get better!. . thoughts Ed? {ed's note - I think that team would easily get in the top half of the Prem.}

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They'd all (or atleast 4-5 of them would) be getting a chance under a manager like Wenger.

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15 Nov 2010 19:02:13
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Get rid of Roy, Poulson and Paul Konchesky and the thinking that a draws at Birmingham and Wigan (no disrespect) were good results and lets start thinking beyond mid-table.

Sammy Lee sadly is hopeless too, bye-bye, we need somebody with more authority in the sressing, more bite and vigor regarding club tradition.

These players were not fit to wear the shirt on many occasions this season, they need to be brought into line, the play for LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.

Roy has no idea how to get beyond the dizzy height of Fulham FC, sorry Roy, nice bloke, wrong job!

O'Driscoll with Thommo as no.2

LET THE NEW ERA BEGIN - ASAP PLEASE NESV

YNWA

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15 Nov 2010 18:59:25
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I remember when Roy first joined and he said 'Liverpool was and is always been a passing team, me or any other manager can change that.'
Yes you can
-Agger, the only ball playing defender we have, he doesn't rate and tells him to hoof the ball.
-Playing a top Midfielder on the right, same can be said with Shrelvy and now he's trying to put Pacheo there in the reserves.
-Buying Danny Wilson (Top class player) Not giving him the chance and then playing him as a lefback
-Buying Konchesky, when we could of got Salcido, We also gave away two promising youngsters
-Insulting Rafa, Dalglish, Rjkard, Johnson to the press
-When Shelvy came on against Northamptonshireand had a good game. Roy said everyone was tired. What away to raise a young lads confidence
-Fulham are now playing some good football now that Roy has left. Even Danny Murphy says Roy likes to be organized.
-Loaning Aqulani who was one of our best players at the end of last season
-His little dig at Jovanovic about players on Frees
-Most importantly when we do ATTACK we score. Blackburn and the first half against Chelsea prove that. We could be playing some fantastic football because we do have the players for it. Maxi and Merilies only look good when we attack and not sit back with 10 men behind the ball. Torres is being used as a target man and him and Gerrard are expected to score out the blue (2nd half at Wigan, Only Torres and Gerrard and around 6 Wigan players)
Rant over

Time for action is now. Damien Comolli has already said if Roy doesn't like a player then they won't buy him so Not ball playing center backs, No Keisuke Honda, No proper Winger and NO PROPER FOOTBALL.
The worst part is when Roy said 'pass and move' and i actually believed him because when this squad attacks it can WIN games.

We must unite together and Let John w Henry know Roy is not the man for the job. Let him no that we play worst football than stoke let him know we should be playing some of the best football in the world. Show him Roy's away record and managerial record and compare it to Dalglish. Twitter is what we have to use in the meantime and let him know we will probably beat West Ham on the weekend playing some good stuff only because it's WESTHAM at home and not away and most of all becuase John Henry will be there watching.

Dalglish Dalglish Dalglish

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15 Nov 2010 18:56:59
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Raffa v Hodgson
The biggest difference between these two is this.
Raffa believed in zonal parking to which he was badly criticised by pundits and media. Now his Zonal system was organised and hard to break down. As a result, Liverpool were hard to break down and score against. After 5years the players became used to this system.
Hodgson believes in man marking plus he picks the slowest defenders we have. The players arnt used to man marking system at Liverpool and all this is creating an unorganised defence which is leaking goals like a just promoted team.
Im not a Raffa fan but you have to admit we was organised. Ok 7th last season was his downfall but you have to remember our big name players were out for most of the season. Hodgson in my opinion was rushed in for the job because the board diddnt want another manager who could gain fan power like Benitez did. Dalglish or Mourinho won't get the job for these reasons. Hodgson hasn't the power Benitez had and would always be the marmite of managers. Liverpool need to plan for the future and need a successful manager who has modern training, ability, and respect. Under Benitez, Gerrard and Carragher plus others always respect him like a headmaster yet with Hodgson they seem to be the boss. This in my opinion is Hodgsons fault for not stamping down his ways as soon as he arrived. I don't think Roy is strong enough and therefor shouldn't be a future England boss either. Liverpool need a new headmaster type boss now

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15 Nov 2010 18:54:22
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Raffa v Hodgson
The biggest difference between these two is this.
Raffa believed in zonal parking to which he was badly criticised by pundits and media. Now his Zonal system was organised and hard to break down. As a result, Liverpool were hard to break down and score against. After 5years the players became used to this system.
Hodgson believes in man marking plus he picks the slowest defenders we have. The players arnt used to man marking system at Liverpool and all this is creating an unorganised defence which is leaking goals like a just promoted team.
Im not a Raffa fan but you have to admit we was organised. Ok 7th last season was his downfall but you have to remember our big name players were out for most of the season. Hodgson in my opinion was rushed in for the job because the board diddnt want another manager who could gain fan power like Benitez did. Dalglish or Mourinho won't get the job for these reasons. Hodgson hasn't the power Benitez had and would always be the marmite of managers. Liverpool need to plan for the future and need a successful manager who has modern training, ability, and respect. Under Benitez, Gerrard and Carragher plus others always respect him like a headmaster yet with Hodgson they seem to be the boss. This in my opinion is Hodgsons fault for not stamping down his ways as soon as he arrived. I don't think Roy is strong enough and therefor shouldn't be a future England boss either. Liverpool need a new headmaster type boss now

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15 Nov 2010 18:48:38
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Surely the people that can do something about it must see how drab and boring we are to watch!
when we sold the club i thought there would be a fresh atmosphere around the whole club.
a new spirit etc. . but the whole thing is flat.
we won't generate any new fans amongst kids who would want to watch this?
can anyone see any light at the end of the tunnel
god this hurts. . starting to dread everygame
i love this club but its not a pleasure at the moment
sad sad sad sad! ! ! ! ! !

ynwa

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15 Nov 2010 18:46:40
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15 Nov 2010 18:35:35
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}
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AMOO, NGOO AND SUSO LOOK EXCELLENT TO ME.

The thing is if u took 2 players of that list. . . added torres, gerrard and reina. . . WHAT A TEAM! !. . . .what do u think ed? {ed's note - I would say that would be a much better team than our current first team.}

Here we go ed. . .


REINA
KELLY WILSON AYALA MAVINGA

GERRARD COADY

SUSO
STERLING PACHECO

TORRES

I do genuinely think with this team we would be at least 11th and they would only get better!. . thoughts Ed? {ed's note - I think that team would easily get in the top half of the Prem.}

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15 Nov 2010 18:45:10
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Hi Ed:

To make you aware , your Banter 2/ 3 pages are not working, had the below error since last night:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function GetSQLValueString() in / homepages/ 13/ d280801701/ htdocs/ liverpool rumours/ liverpool-banter2.php on line 24

Roy {ed's note - cheers Roy will get it looked at now.}

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15 Nov 2010 18:39:48
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Two names stand out for me as possible managers, van gaal or big phil scholari with john aldridge or didi hamman as assistant,

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15 Nov 2010 18:35:35
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15 Nov 2010 18:29:52
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15 Nov 2010 18:21:54
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}
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AMOO, NGOO AND SUSO LOOK EXCELLENT TO ME.

The thing is if u took 2 players of that list. . . added torres, gerrard and reina. . . WHAT A TEAM! !. . . .what do u think ed? {ed's note - I would say that would be a much better team than our current first team.}

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15 Nov 2010 18:32:41
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I read yesterday that since 1997, over 6 seasons with Blackburn, fulham and liverpool, Roy has won just 11 away games. This is very very poor statistics and on that should never have been considered for the Liverpool job. Also in my opinion if Roy hadn't got fulham to the Europa league final he wouldn't have been offered the job.over achiever with a little club!

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15 Nov 2010 18:30:59
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Just read Roys away record in England since 1980.
Played 105
won 13

Yes 13! !

There is no doubt he is a nice guy but im afraid his small club mentality is not suited to our beloved BIG club. So hopefully Commoli is searching for the right man for the job as we speak. I am not sure who it will be and I can't see it being one of the big names being bantered around but right now I just hope its a stong character who will bring back passion and attacking football.

Kev the Red

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15 Nov 2010 18:29:52
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15 Nov 2010 18:21:54
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}
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AMOO, NGOO AND SUSO LOOK EXCELLENT TO ME.

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15 Nov 2010 18:27:35
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15 Nov 2010 18:21:54
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}

Actually, final note Ed, can u remember the last time we had 10 kids as promising as this? {ed's note - I don't know if we ever have had as much potential as we do now.}

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15 Nov 2010 18:21:54
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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

Amoo, for me is better than Eccleston but i'm not quite sure either will make it. Although I don't understand though how Amoo came in did well and then Roy didn't want to use him again when we are crying out for width, Also Ngoo is the sort of player we could use behind Torres and the lad is 6 feet 4 and 14 stone, so he is physically ready, also final point Suso is as good as Wayne Rooney was at 16, so we should play him behind Torres too maybe.

What do u think Ed? {ed's note - I had forgotten about Ngoo, he looks a far better prospect than Ngog for me. Suso should be on the bench by now, that lad is top class.}

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15 Nov 2010 18:18:32
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15 Nov 2010 18:04:41
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I watched the premier league this weekend and I can't help but think Man Utd and Chelsea are not as far away as they would have been a couple of years ago.

This is why it is imperitive that we change now, get players in Jan and build for next season because the gap isn't that big. If we wait until the summer I can't help but believe our targets will be swayed by moving to these clubs rather than coming to Liverpool, especially if we finish no better than mid table with no Europe to look forward too.
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YES - it is also noticeable that when Chelsea, manUtd etc are missing their bets players they generally struggle and sometimes lose.
So when so called experts say that Liverpool are nothing without Gerrard, Reina and Torres, the same applies to Chelsea without Terry, Lampard and Drogba and United without Rooney, Scholes and Giggs but is of course never mentioned in the press.

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15 Nov 2010 18:12:30
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Roy, May i give you:

KELLY
MAVINGA
WILSON
SHELVEY
WISDOM
STERLING
SUSO
AYALA
COADY
PACHECO

10 very gifted youngsters, so why doesn't he use them?
Ed, is there anyone i've missed off mate? {ed's note - Amoo? What do you think of him?}

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15 Nov 2010 18:04:41
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I watched the premier league this weekend and I can't help but think Man Utd and Chelsea are not as far away as they would have been a couple of years ago.

This is why it is imperitive that we change now, get players in Jan and build for next season because the gap isn't that big. If we wait until the summer I can't help but believe our targets will be swayed by moving to these clubs rather than coming to Liverpool, especially if we finish no better than mid table with no Europe to look forward too.

Nobody enjoys watching Liverpool at the moment. There is no cohesion, no flare and no heart and it is coming from Roy Hodgsons Mr Nice Guy defensive "we didn't expect anything from the game" approach to management. I hate two holding midfielders at home and away. We play better 442 with N'gog and not Kuyt and I feel sorry for Merieles being stuck out on the wing when its not his position. Why can't Hodgson see this!

I don't care who sign. I'd prefer a couple of wingers and a striker because I believe when we are playing attacking football our defense is adequete enough to cope.

Trig Diggler

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15 Nov 2010 17:43:56
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To give PACHECO a go I agree with you but players like KONCHESKY & JOVA will only ever give us 2 good games out of 10 and BABEL is finished in a red shirt shame but the lad is a problem

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15 Nov 2010 17:36:58
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I suggest everyone follow my lead and stop reading papers, go on any other site than this one and avoid talking to anyone who follows the EPL. I have found joy in life again. As for the matter that preoccupies us all; let's face it the whole squad needs to be rebuilt from scratch. Roy? What do you want me to say? He might as well be the one who guides us through this period of mediocrity. But as far as I'm concerned, there's next to no-one who is untouchable. I'd keep anyone who carries a semblance of promise on and get rid of everyone else. So that means that we have: Reina, Agger, Kelly, Mavinga, Lucas, Meireles, Ngog and Torres that we should keep along with Ecclestone, Pacheco, Suso, Shelvey and one or two who might still be under the radar. I love Gerrard, but he needs to go now. He is thirty and deserves to win a league title elsewhere before he becomes a problem (à la Totti). Carra, Johnson(!), Skrtl, Konchesky and Soto are one-dimensional drones who are useless against (now) half of the teams in the league. Babel, Maxi, Jovanovic, Cole, Aquilani, Degen and Insua are just not good enough. Now it'll take at least four years to turn this thing around, but at least the club is financially stable. The buys we make should be in function of that four year plan. Of course, I am highly emotional right now and, as they say, things tend to change rapidly in football. What do you think Mr. Ed? {ed's note - I can fully see your point, the team is in desperate need of an overhaul, luckily we have Villa as an example to point the way forward. We have some useful talent, Coady, Mavinga, Wilson, Ayala and Sterling I would add to the keep pile off the top of my head, and we may as well just let them play as stick to the same players that are underperforming and got us in this mess in the first place.}

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15 Nov 2010 17:25:42
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Dont care who becomes manager :( all i want is to see aurelio or konchesky play :( i want eccleston and other young players to at least be on the bench i want pacheco to have a go i want jova to be given a go and dare i say Babel please LFC board just do ALL YOU CAN then the fans will only be upset we won't be angry because we know all was done roy waits until 20 mins to go before doing ANYTHING please sort it out! if it meant roy DEFINETLY went on sat i would lose to west ham hate to say but its the truth.

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15 Nov 2010 17:24:10
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If we can't get Mourinho, what about Gary Megson! Or maybe Borat.

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15 Nov 2010 17:20:38
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Right i don't like Roy Hodgson don't think we'll ever win the title with him as manager.

But you have to say were actually only 6 points off a champs league place.

And yes i know that if he wasn't our manger then we would be higher up and in them places but we are there and in with a very good shout Still

NESV arn't going to get rid of him just yet when were that close he has to do alot worse and i'm sure he will but untill that point lets back him a little.

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15 Nov 2010 17:17:13
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FFS with the O'Driscol thing. .

Roy's problem is he has no motivation and basically doesn't seem to give a sh!t.

The club has a good reputation for giving managers time so replacing Roy has to be done with care.

Its a risk introducing a younger manager as the manager needs the respect of the dressing room ( no easy job in our case ). The alternative is an older ego/ reputation that will soon be at odds with the new transfer policy. If we're aiming at younger players then why not a manager?

Youth brings hunger/ ambition. Something we've been lacking. The new manager needs a ruthless streak a mile wide and the respect/ bottle to lay down the law.

If O'Driscoll can do that then why not?

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15 Nov 2010 16:38:32
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POKE MY EYES OUT STEVE BRUCE

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15 Nov 2010 16:16:01
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Momentum is gathering and like all these matters, once they start, there is little hope of them stopping without a wave of debris left in its wake.
I refer to the imminent departure of Roy Hodgson.
For that's what this is now building to.
I liked him at Fulham, I liked him when he came, then he just faded into what some people have been rudely calling a fraud on the web.
I don't see him as that; I see him simply as a man out of his depth.
I know he has managed Switzerland and Inter Milan, but he is drowning at Liverpool under too many pressures.
His abject look and frsutration on the pitch on Saturday was nothing compared to the flak he has received in the past 48 hours.

It is evident from the player's body language, the comments in the media and the verbal snarls on here that Roy Hodgson's time is up.

We don't want Dalglish as manager. I don't anyway.
He is a hero and like Schumacher this season, it is better to leave your status intact than come back and damage your reputation.
I've no doubt Kenny could do it, but I prefer someone for the longer term future.
I still think Hiddink or O'Neill are in the frame, but this is my view and since I hate the usual rubbish of 'my mate knows a mate who speaks to Carra's cat and he says . . " type of gossip, I will leave it at that.

In summation, we are no further along the road of solving our crisis than we were six weeks ago. Maybe we have resolved the imminent financial issues, but we are still to test the nerve of the new owners come the January transfer window.
I suspect there is to be a spectacular eruption between Commoli and Roy Hodgson and my guess is that Roy will resign.
Sammy lee will be moved on (not a bad thing) and then one of the names I mentioned will move in.
Who can guess the future?
I can't and don't have naything but speculation ot offer.
The only good thing Roy has done (forced to really) is putting a few of the younger players in (Kelly and Shelvey).
Pity he won't be around to see them come good.

Steve Parker

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15 Nov 2010 16:11:40
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I've said it before. Forget your O'Driscoll's and O'Neils. The man to take Liverpool forward is Andre Villas Boas. This guy is the next Mourinho and unlike the original is attainable and probably for a smaller salary than Hodgson earns.

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15 Nov 2010 16:11:11
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Ed- you are o'driscoll aren't you? :-p

Anyway Roy out - any passionate reds fan out there is better than him in managing our team!

Ynwa96

{Editor's Note: Busted ...}

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15 Nov 2010 16:09:43
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I like the noises the new yanks are making, but now it's time for some action!

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15 Nov 2010 16:02:43
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FOLLOW REDS,

I AM NOT FAN OF ROY- - BUT LET THE CLUB SORT HIM OUT

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND SUPPORT SUPPORT AND SUPPORT

WITH THE RESULTS GOING LIKE THEY ARE WE MAY END UP IN TOP FOUR

LANKANRED

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15 Nov 2010 16:02:23
One of roy's responses after stoke.


We've had a good run and played some good football in that run, " he said. "It was a different type of game to the games we've played because of the way Stoke are set up to play the game poses certain problems for any team that comes here.

"We're realistic, we know we've got a lot of work to do, we've got to get some players back to fitness, we'll keep working at our game and we're very sad to lose the game and the good run."


Please roy. can you tell me when it was we played some good football as you describe it. i must have blinked and missed it

chris 1

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15 Nov 2010 15:47:53
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Ed }wot u recon about ian holloway for us he plays great football motivates his squad an don't talk s* te on tv i think hed love to manage a club like liverpool {ed's note - he would be incredibly entertaining, it would be so good to enjoy going to games again.}

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15 Nov 2010 15:43:48
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From Paul Tomkins Twitter pages:

"Roy Hodgson has been manager for 105 away games in English football. He has only won 13 of those games"

Staggering! He has to go - NOW!
MightyRedLunatic

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15 Nov 2010 15:42:18
15 Nov 2010 14:48:46
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IT WAS HEART BREAKING SEE CARRA DOWN THE RIGHT WING TRYING TO GET THE CROSSES IN AGAINST STOKE

HE SHOULD PLAY WHERE HE IS BEST AT - CB

KELLY SHOUD BE OUR REGULAR RB

AND G JOHNSTON SHOULD BE PLAYING FORWARD RIGHT

ROY - IS THIS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE? LOOK AT BALE HE SUPPOSED TO BE A LB

LANKANRED

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Please don`t compare Johnson to Bale, he has not got the same ability, spedd, desire and work ethic.

Worlds apart.!

Matt

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15 Nov 2010 15:38:57
To further support the point made by frenchy. a great man once said

"Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor."

Think his name was bill something

ooh those were thedays

chris 1

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15 Nov 2010 15:37:12
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For those of you who haven't seen redandwhitekop.com then john Henry has done an interview with them. I think you'll find it interesting reading

RedDan

The first batch of questions 1-9 were all wanting to know what NESV's (now Fenway Sports Group) plans were for the club and in particular who would be running the club on a day to day basis:

10. Mr. Henry & co. - Liverpool Football Club has one of the largest fanbases in the world with passionate Reds in every corner of the globe. With the greatest of respect, the sport of baseball in which your team has achieved great success is a major sport in Northern America but is not comparable to Liverpool Football Club or the Premier League in terms of fanbase / viewing figures etc etc. How do you plan to market the club globally and expand and enhance the club's profile worldwide in the future?

I think you might be surprised at the actual number of Red Sox fans around the world. Essentially we aren't allowed to market outside of New England and that has always been disappointing to us. It was one of the reasons we were attracted to the Premier League. The best way to market Liverpool FC globally is to win because, as you point out, the fanbase is already so large globally. If we build the right team on the field, everything off the field will take care of itself. We also have a very strong commercial team that arrived over the past couple of years lead by Ian Ayre. Ian and his team have already made great strides. We will be working to give him the resources to expand the LFC presence globally.

11. For the last 18 months there has been an absence of football expertise and experience at senior management / board level and this has resulted in some poor footballing decisions. This is something that needs addressing before any big changes are made and a future footballing strategy is decided on. What do you intend to do to rectify this situation?

Our first appointment was Damien Comolli. Damien has a philosophy that is similar to ours and what has made us successful in Boston. But he is just our first appointment. We don't know English football, but we do know the sports business and what it takes to be successful. You must first of all have the right people in place and you must be able to give them the resources they need to be successful. With the new Financial Fair Play Rules coming into effect next year, we know that we need to emphasize revenue growth. That is an area we feel we are very strong. And LFC already has a strong commercial team.


12. What level of involvement will you have in the day-to-day activities? Will we be seeing you and Tom in Liverpool regularly? Will anyone in the organisation be based in Liverpool permanently?

We will be in London and Liverpool with regularity. There is a lot to be done. We speak about the Sox and LFC daily - seven days a week. We are working on teleconferencing as well as spending time in Liverpool. In the digital world of today one can say almost nothing is local. It has never been easier to work from a distance. But like Fenway, Anfield will be hard to stay away from. We've really enjoyed our time in Liverpool thus far.


13. Having completed the take over, you mentioned that "we have terrific strategic thinkers". Could you expand on that, please?

The most strategic thing I can do is to not comment on that. What I can say is that our partnership and our staff are very strong overall. We are changing the name of our partnership from New England Sports Ventures to Fenway Sports Group. This group has strategic relationships as well as strong, bright "strategic thinkers." We are always discussing what we can do to improve in various areas - from venues to player performance. Always.


14. What are the qualities and values that you personally believe you and your consortium can bring to Liverpool FC to enhance it and complement its traditional values? We know what Liverpool can give to you. Beyond the numbers and investment, what can you give to Liverpool, in terms of a personal vision, quality, philosophy, and personality?

It is up to us to solve the problems that have plagued the club for some time now. The club has terrific revenues, but they need to be allocated properly. Where revenues, in fact, suffer are in relation to match day. That is a problem we have to solve. It will be difficult to solve. If the match day issue had been easy it would have been solved a long time ago. Many EPL clubs have this problem. We will have to be bold, thoughtful and aggressive in order to do the right thing for the community, for the supporters and for the club long-term.

Liverpool values are well known. What makes Anfield so special beyond the history of the ground are the people who populate Anfield each match. They value the club first and foremost. That is what we have to ensure every person who wears a kit or works for the club at any level has in the their minds first and foremost - the club comes first.

In Boston every player who puts on a Boston Red Sox uniform knows what it means to wear that uniform. It's something very special. Wearing that uniform has a great deal of meaning. We have a Red Sox way that is discussed in spring training each year. It is a privilege to work for the Boston Red Sox at any level. We have Red Sox Ambassadors who spend their days ensuring that people outside of the organization know how much all of us inside the organization appreciate our fans and visitors to Fenway Park.

The values that we have to strive for within the club at Liverpool emanate from the supporters. We cannot have anyone at the club who when they walk into the Academy, Melwood or Anfield, aren't aware of club values and that the club comes first and foremost. We have to have everyone from top to bottom on the same page - exactly the same page. And we will. We will make mistakes and it will be up to us to correct them. With the level of support this club has, if we are all on the same page, we will be incredibly successful.


I think we were all delighted to see in Mr Henry's meetings with fans immediately after the sale that he recognised our feeling of disenfranchisement. This is a major concern at the moment and the next question reflects that.

15. Are you considering engaging fans with the club, either by letting the fans take a stake in the club, having an elected fans representative in a non-exective position on the board or by instituting regular fan forums or other channels of communication between yourselves and the fans?

These are issues we are just now beginning to tackle. It's up to us to discuss these issues, communicate about these issues and implement something that serves Liverpool FC for the long-term. Consider this email exchange a part of that effort. But it really has just begun.


And finally, sign of the times, we got round to asking a few questions about what was happening on the pitch. Can anyone remember the halcyon days when that was all that really mattered?

16. We see that in Boston you have given a lot of priority to producing your own young players. Under the previous manager the club began to set up a good youth system based on the Barcelona model. Two promising players from that system were sold in the summer and as a result fans are concerned that this is not the priority it once was. Can you confirm that you will be looking to invest in a best-in-class youth system to produce talented youngsters for the team?

I've been to the academy three times and I've met with Jose Segura and Rodolfo Borrell. They are key people for the future of Liverpool. They know their work is now a major priority for us. I've made a personal commitment to them. We intend to give them the resources to build LFC for the future.

We need "top four" young players. They will not produce a quick fix, but our philosophy in football will be based on the long-term. That is what has made Arsenal and Manchester United so strong. They understand something we understand in Boston - to be consistently strong on the field, you must have a consistent flow of young talent that has be nurtured and developed the right way. We will focus on that. That is also the philosophy of Damien Comolli.


17. Over recent years we have started to see some of our best players leave the club. Are you planning to work to keep Fernando Torres at the club?

The club has gone through a very difficult period and the period has not ended. We've dealt with baseball players and race car drivers at the highest level. LFC also have players at the highest level. These players all want the same things. They want to win. It's up to us to build a winner going forward. It's up to them to determine to win now. We saw a certain team on the field against Chelsea last week that showed what they can do. We also know how competitive the EPL is this year. There are no guaranteed matches any longer for any club. This club can be better. Blaming the manager or any one particular player is simply wrong. This club needs to play up to their potential every match. If they don't, they won't win.

That being said, we have work to do and must invest in this club to improve it on the field. Can that be successfully done in January? A number of people I've talked with doubt it. Most people seem to think it will be the summer before we can really begin to improve. So the players - all eleven each week - have to be on the same page every match and have to live up to the history and respect this club has engendered - no matter what.

I've met with a number of our players and had private discussions with some of them. I've been greatly impressed by them personally. They are all exceptionally bright and they all want to be here. The question they have had, rightfully so, is whether or not the club is going to go in the right direction. They all want to see that. I have been very forthright about our philosophy and about what we are going to try to achieve. Some would prefer a quick fix. Others prefer to focus on the long-term and that is very difficult for most players. But, as I wrote previously, this club needs everyone on the same page every day. Every day. We need everyone focused on what needs to be done in the next match facing us and during that match. The club should not have to settle for less. As one insightful player told me, "The spirit of the side needs to be there like a family - as one."

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15 Nov 2010 15:35:42
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It seems all you so-called fans are brain washed with videos on youtube, is this how a scout would judge a player? buy a red shirt buy a ticket get to the game then judge players and performance muppets!

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15 Nov 2010 15:21:20
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In response to this ==

"Its time 2 change expectations

our goal is 40points"

== The only time I would agree with you is if there was one game left in the season and we were on 37 points.

Other than that I expect a top 4 finish.

I also expect our manager to make the same declaration, to show some fire in his belly for the fight and then instill that fighting spirit into the team.

I also expect our manager to choose a system and tactics that will provide us with that top 4 finish.

I expect him to repeat the declaration like a fcuking mantra at every opportunity to the media.

Not for him to come out and say get used to losing.

If your expectations are low that's exactly what you will achieve.

Frenchy.

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15 Nov 2010 15:09:01
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10 facts we need to know about Roy Hodgson

1. Hes never won anything
2. Hes never won anything
3. Hes never won anything
4. Hes never won anything
5. Hes never won anything
6. Hes never won anything
7. Hes never won anything
8. Hes never won anything
9. Hes never won anything
10. He will never win anything

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15 Nov 2010 15:06:56
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Woy Quote

"Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose, but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times, because I can't see us going through a season winning every game."

What ever job you, ve got if you admit you can not do it you must GO

I couldn't belive when I read that on walkon.com lastnight Jus goes th show ya how negative woy is. i belive we can win every game, well i did. Looks like woys negativety as rubbed off on me too.
PMA ROY. . . positive mental attitude

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15 Nov 2010 15:06:47
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Roy has to go. .bring back aquilaini. .from jan to the end of last season he had more assits than any other midfielder in the prem. .so there must be something there. .

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15 Nov 2010 15:05:29
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I think now is the right time for a new manager.We have games coming upto January that we should be winning.the new man will have a clear idea who to get shut of.Camoli i would think by then know where we need improvement.A strong coach needs to come in and not be intimidated by Carragher. Kelly wilson Agger Mavinga should be our Back line they can't be any worse than the four we played on saturday all have pace all can pass the ball without hoofing it.We would be able to defend further up the park and the midfield can get closer to Torres. what do you think Ed. {ed's note - I fully agree, we desperately need a bit of pace at the back.}

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15 Nov 2010 15:01:47
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When you come to Stoke you know you are in for a battle whoever you are. We did our best to deal with it and their first goal was a bit unfortunate. If we had been less creative Pepe (Reina) would have kicked the ball as far down field as he possibly could, not thrown it to Paul Konchesky and try to build from the back.

"They pressurised Paul well, from the ensuing back pass Pepe couldn't get his kick away and they scored from the long throw which ensued."

Actual quote from Hodgson. Is he taking the p*ss? Would it have been humanly possible to be less creative then we were at Stoke?

I don't understand. Is he purposely making all these mistakes, is it all a big practical joke or is he actually the manager we sacked Rafa for, who thinks it's a good idea to say all these things in press conferences? Who has sent Aquilani and Insua out on loan, and then said we didn't have enough players. Who bought Poulsen and Konchesky (two of the worst players to have played for the club in recent years). Who has alienated Agger, Johnson, Pacheco, and possibly Reina and Torres. Who publicly criticises his players. Who has reduced the team to a negative, long ball team.
Is he actually a Liverpool manager?

Well put, mate. I have this sinking feeling. . Is Hodge the new Clough? anyone seen or read "the damned united"? I think Woy secretly hates Liverpool, as Clough did with Leeds, and does everything in his power to ruin the club. Its been way more than 44 days now, NESV, let him go!

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15 Nov 2010 14:58:56
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Why oh why we haven't given babel a good run at the right wing position I think his speed and right foot would bring a bit of life and ATTACK to the squad. . even if it is only as a sub.


Because he is sh*te.

YNWA


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Before you say he is sh*te , tell me 4 players who are not sh*te at the moment , , all starting players are sh*te, no pride no passion, but they are still given chance , ( even poulsen is given chance) i will tell u this , babel is better , from all the sh*te's combined in the club.

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15 Nov 2010 14:53:33
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Liverpool fans chanted Kenny Dalglish's name during the club's 2-0 defeat at Stoke on Saturday.
Many believe that the former Liverpool legend should have been given the manager job following the departure of Rafael Benitez in the summer and . .Liverpool's poor run of form so far this season has left fans divided about Roy Hodgson's appointment.

When asked if the Dalglish chanting disappoints him, the Liverpool boss said: "I suppose it does, but that seems like it is going to be part of life at Liverpool.

"I think we are trying to do the best job we can in the circumstances and I don't know that that type of singing helps anyone.

"If the club decide they want to give the job to somebody else then I'll have to accept it. The fans can chant for whoever they want and it will be up to the club to decide what they want to do.

"I can't get upset every time the fans chant someone's name. Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose a game, but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times this season because I can't see us winning every game."

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15 Nov 2010 14:51:26
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15 Nov 2010 13:50:26
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Guys, what do you think of Graeme Souness as a manager?

{Editor's Note: A massive step back.}
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A STEP BACK YES. BUT IF HE DID GET THE JOB AT LEAST HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT REPRESENTING THIS CLUB IS ALL ABOUT. HE WOULD ALSO SEE IT AS A CHANCE TO REVISE HIS STANDING WITH THE FANS. AND HE PROBABLY WON'T SPEAK TO THE S* .

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15 Nov 2010 14:50:44
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"We know Glen can and will do that but first and foremost Glen has to get fit and I'm hoping that will be the case by next Sunday (at home to West Ham) because he has made good progress.
ROY QUOTE REGARDS TO GJ

ROY OUR NEXT MATCH ON SATURDAY - GET A GRIP MAN

LANKANRED

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15 Nov 2010 14:49:04
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Everyone saying dalglish rep would be tarnished if he came back as manager, but was unsuccessful, its all "ifs and buts" just get him in and see what happens! I think he would have a positive effect on the team, he's a legend who's seen and done it all both as player and manager. His legacy is assured no matter happens. Woy has to go, that's not the ramblings of a deluded supporter, this is fact, based on results, NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Liverpool football club

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15 Nov 2010 14:48:46
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IT WAS HEART BREAKING SEE CARRA DOWN THE RIGHT WING TRYING TO GET THE CROSSES IN AGAINST STOKE

HE SHOULD PLAY WHERE HE IS BEST AT - CB

KELLY SHOUD BE OUR REGULAR RB

AND G JOHNSTON SHOULD BE PLAYING FORWARD RIGHT

ROY - IS THIS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE? LOOK AT BALE HE SUPPOSED TO BE A LB

LANKANRED

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15 Nov 2010 14:36:20
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15 Nov 2010 09:30:34
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Well, i'm still gonna have a tenner at the bookies on Thommo coming back!
KB
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WHICH IS WHY THOMPSON DID NOT GO TO VILLA.

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15 Nov 2010 14:32:30
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Never posted before but I have a few comments to make..

Why has everyone criticised Roy for bringing in a left back (not saying he's any good) when he can't even sort the right side out. game against stoke we had (from what I saw it looked like 4-4-2) cara (cb) playing right back and Meireles (cm) playing right midfield. Kelly is coming on I don't understand why we don't use him more, he's happy to play him in Europe but won't use him against Everton, His team selection is becoming as good as old rafa was towards the end of last season.

Why oh why we haven't given babel a good run at the right wing position I think his speed and right foot would bring a bit of life and ATTACK to the squad. . even if it is only as a sub.

Talking of subs, why does he only make changes with 10-20 mins to go, that's another rafa trick, wait till it's too late to actually do anything.

Another point to make, I was at the last game of the season and Aqualani played, he was one of our best players on the pitch, fought for the ball and gave everything in that game, why when he just started to show his worth did we ship him out? I'm not saying he is the best player in the squad but I don't understand why we let him go especially when he is playing so well now.


Have I got any points right?

LFC Born and Bred

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15 Nov 2010 14:29:12
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Quote from hodgeson: Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose, but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times, because I can't see us going through a season winning every game."

Does this give us an insight into hodgesons mentality and how he approaches games thinking he can't win? no wonder we have only won 2 prem games this season the man is a loser, hes got a losers mentality. To manage a club like liverpool youve got to think you can win every game you play, it might not turn out that way, but youve got to have that mentality to succeed, mourinho does that to perfection, and installs that mentality in the players, . . roy's speal just gets worse and worse.

john henry comes out with quotes like were winners we want to win and hodgeson comes out with we can't win sounds to me like hodgeson dosent match john henrys aspirations

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15 Nov 2010 14:25:08
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We got what we deserved on Saturday, the defence is so slow Roy has them sitting deep so they don't get caught-out, but that leaves too much space and stops us being able to pressure the opposition in midfield. We are therefore so stretched the midfield can't quickly support the striker(s) on the few occasions when they do manage to control one of the hoofs forward.
With the lack of pace and ability to beat a man on the wings we couldn't even hit them on the counter when we were under pressure.

Just shocking really, I honestly don't remember watching a worse performance, even last season when Rafa lost the plot with two defensive midfielders playing at Anfield we created more chances.

Lots of hints leaked in recent weeks about players being shackeled to fit Roy's system. (Jovanovic, Agger, Johnson)

NESV - we need someone able to make strong decisions, someone able to drop Carra or Kuyt if they think that'll benefit the team. We need someone able to get the players respect and get them enjoying their football and playing with freedom, then the confidence and results will start coming.

LFC_MIKE_YNWA

Bel if you agree
Unbel or reply if you don't

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15 Nov 2010 14:24:54
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Liverpool have only played 2 good 45 minutes of football this season. If RH thinks we have played more, it is time for him to go. When chelsea lose, Carlo Ancelotti has the plums to say we were poor.
Why insult the intelligence of the fans talking up the games, yes we do need to up the quality in the squad, yes players are underperforming, but that's what RH gets paid for? So far this season non of the summer additions have shone, most have not even been as bright as an energy saving bulb. Another season over before December, we should not be cling on to 4th place dreams, but of winning the league and being pi$$ed off if we finish 4th.

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15 Nov 2010 14:24:00
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SSN headline
Corporal "Roy Hodgson" Jones

Hodgson - No need to panic Mr Mainwaring - Reds boss hopes hard work pays off

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15 Nov 2010 14:19:58
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Liverpool Rumours i no its not really a rumour

Can we just stop for a moment please everyone on here and that includes myself we all want woy gone right agreed but if roy goes and we bring in hiddink, Cryuff, Dalglish or even the bloke from Porto its not going to change where we are the players we have or even the money we get where still gonna be stuck with wage bills topping 100k for boarding, talentless, gutless players who don't have passion to wear the red maybe this is the wake up call we needed with woy in charge with arnt going to archive anything why not instead of pi*king into the wind why not rebuild from the top down sounds simple i know but we fix every issue on the way down if we keep going like this its going to turn into a witch hunt and poor woy who will need a pase maker let promote from within and push are talented youngsters, coaches to fill the holes left by the gutless swum who have gone

YNWA

RAMYS RED ARMY

Raina

Kelly carra/ Skrtel agger Wilson/ Insua

johnson Mereiels Aquilani/ gerro Shelvey

torres Kuyt/ Babel

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15 Nov 2010 14:19:39
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I wonder will attacking players be put off joining our club now given the restrictions put on them by Roy Hodgson?

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15 Nov 2010 14:18:20
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I tried to search for roy hodgson jokes to brighten things up a bit. but my searches mosltly came up with:
"roy hodgson is a joke"
"roy hodgson's top four boast is a joke"

couldn't find anything to laugh about, unlike roy who laughed when we lost to everton

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15 Nov 2010 14:16:40
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Ed you said I could do my own research, well here is my findings
Below is a full record of Roy Hodgson's managerial career at club level, based on league results only.

What's noticeable is that it took him 12 years to manage a club for more than 26 league games; mostly due to smaller Scandinavian leagues, and also due to only lasting 21 games at Bristol City.

In England he has managed for 181 games, winning just 57 - at 31.5%. Liverpool should be aiming for 50-60%, with 60% necessary for the top four and 66%+ for the title.

In Italy, he managed for 79 league games, winning 34, at 43%.

In England and Italy, at clubs who were big and/ or rich (therefore excluding Bristol City, Udinese and Fulham), his record is well below average. Winning just 51 out of 131 games with these clubs gives him a worse win% than Graeme Souness had at Liverpool; yes, that bad.

Even including all his successes in small Nordic leagues, Hodgson's entire career win rate of 43.3% suggests a manager who just isn't ambitious enough in his approach. He'll make smaller teams hard to beat, but he won't make bigger teams become winners. Hodgson was the right man for Fulham, but based on his record and performance to date, the wrong one for

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15 Nov 2010 14:12:37
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My choice of manager wud be 1 of the following

JOHN TOSCHAK
RAFA BENITEZ
FRANK RIJKARD
MARTIN O'NEIL
FLORES - A.MADRID COACH

ID LIKE US TO BRING IN THE FOLLOWING AS COACHES

ROY EVANS
IAN RUSH -
SAMI HYYPIA
JOHN BARNES

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15 Nov 2010 14:09:11
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Pacheco out on loan why?i think the fa should bring out a new rule where you can send mangers out on loan, jimmybosun

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15 Nov 2010 13:56:16
Second Half 45min against Arsenal

First Half 45min against Chelsea.

= both games where like FA cup finals. The players had a high expectation + live football. The buildup to the big game feel.

Now Roy has to take that mental state of mind into a game against Stoke.

IF you have Cup-team, get them thinking about the league as do or die cup-game every week.

big names, rise up for big fixtures, slack off for the others.

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15 Nov 2010 13:52:09
As fans, let get behind roy,

Give him support, stop the chanting, stop the abuse,

We only hurting ourselves. No other mug is going to take the job and it is more money out of the supporters pockets to replace the new manager.

Give Roy Hodgson a chance, Give the team a Chance.

Forget about the pass, forget about the c+L footy, that went away with Beni.

Lets concenrate on being a Bolton, West-ham of the premiership. We really havnt won anything in last 20years, but spent a hell of a lot.

Glory to a rubbish cup team. supporters really have to wake up to the facts.

Hate other lfc supporters in the pub. They did lfc is bara or real-madrid. when in fact lfc is small local team with big hang up on the past.

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15 Nov 2010 13:50:26
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Guys, what do you think of Graeme Souness as a manager?

{Editor's Note: A massive step back.}

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15 Nov 2010 13:49:28
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Can we just stop for a moment please everyone on here and that includes myself we all want woy gone right agreed but if roy goes and we bring in hiddink, Cryuff, Dalglish or even the bloke from Porto its not going to change where we are the players we have or even the money we get where still gonna be stuck with wage bills topping 100k for boarding, talentless, gutless players who don't have passion to wear the red maybe this is the wake up call we needed with woy in charge with arnt going to archive anything why not instead of pi* ing into the wind why not rebuild from the top down sounds simple i know but we fix every issue on the way down if we keep going like this its going to turn into a witch hunt and poor woy who will need a pase maker let promote from within and push are talented youngsters, coaches to fill the holes left by the gutless scum who have gone

YNWA

RAMYS RED ARMY

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15 Nov 2010 13:45:55
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Hi ed i know are boys are not at the races at the min its mad. i for 1 would love us to have hit the ground running this trem ROLLING OVER TEAMS but with all that went on last year it was never going to happan this year. are LIVERPOOL FC was left in the s* t STATE. no money no movement no new owners no money for players little gaffa was there 2 secs before the new owners took over an the window slammed shut. then its was on u go little gaffa sort that lot out. for me it would not have mattered who took the hotseat at that time. there was no one out there that could have waved a wond an in a hart beat we are right as rain happy days.then raffa comes out an said sorry not my doing i left a great team set up there? is that so i think not. u raffa started the poor signings rolling in an wasteing money hand over fist my friend u take 70% of the credit for the mess are club has been left in.now im not saying roy is going to make it coz its coming to the end for him i feel he has had a very raw deal the job was to much for him to handle but he is having a good go at it. but how funny we are an when an if the new gaffa comes in jan an has maybe big money to spend an its all rosey. i hope that we give little gaffa a pat on the back an a cheers for steadying the ship an keeping the 3 top class players at are club. up the pool walk on the reds with hope forever red till dead JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE {ed's note - my problem with Roy is not the results, it is the manner in which they are achieved. It is even worse than the Houllier and Rafa eras, we are even more defensive and we are playing long balls! It is appalling and not good enough. It is not winning I expect, it is trying to win and Roy just tries not to lose, which is not good enough. There is no excuse having rubbish players - it has not stopped Blackpool!}

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15 Nov 2010 13:44:29
Is PACHECCO tied down to a long term contract?

he might not want man-u pinching his future stars ect. Plus prem is full of fastest, strongest, skilled and mental strengh players.

PACHECCO might have skill, but strengh comes with age and training. don't want to mentally damage him.

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15 Nov 2010 13:43:56
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Liverpool have only played 2 good 45 minutes of football this season. If RH thinks we have played more, it is time for him to go. When chelsea lose, Carlo Ancelotti has the plums to say we were poor.
Why insult the intelligence of the fans talking up the games, yes we do need to up the quality in the squad, yes players are underperforming, but that's what RH gets paid for? So far this season non of the summer additions have shone, most have not even been as bright as an energy saving bulb. Another season over before December, we should not be cling on to 4th place dreams, but of winning the league and being pi$$ed off if we finish 4th.

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15 Nov 2010 13:41:47
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Win at west-ham, win at tottenham, we will be top 6 going into december

its not all bad. the cream rises to the top.

sacking a manager will cause more disruption, and cause a more loses on pitch. more wasted time.

Play out the bad hand, roy might be able to turn it around. Built some rep wit the fans. Target this season is 40points. Stay in the prem.

Then get ride of anyone who wants to walk away and start again.

Gerrard, torres, renia can all go.

I use to like the liverpool football played under Roy Evans, and maybe its time to giveup top4 dreams, prem dreams,

Let roy gut the team, our second manager should have a few younger players ready for the first team.

I feel sorry for Roy, he choose a job where success is impossible and no matter what he does, he will end up damaging his own career trying to help out a ungrateful spoilt club.

Fans ecpect too much of him, everyone expects too much of lfc .

Lets just facefacts. 40points. prem football, and start over next season with younger players,

A new Dream Team for the Credit Crunch era

start devloping our own product, instead of importing players. Lets see some new "mcmanaman, fowler, owen, redknapp's, Young english players.

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15 Nov 2010 13:31:20
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I seriously think one marqee signing in january and a new manager would be enough this season and then big changes in the summer. we have players that have performed well, the way we are playing its as if we are being stifled. anyone remember since roy has been in charge pepe distributing the ball with his quick effectivness? he ends up rolling it out EVERY TIME.

Never thought i would say this but i enjoyed watching every game this weekend. all but liverpool
i actually dread watching a live game of us at the moment. i have actually found myself infuriated with the way were playing to the point of shouting at the screen.

Please do us all a favor and do one roy, your slippers and paper are waiting for you back home

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15 Nov 2010 13:28:33
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Its time 2 change expectations

our goal is 40points

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15 Nov 2010 13:13:27
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JUST BEEN PLAYING AROUND BBC PREMIER LEAGUE PREDICTOR

WITH ROY NEXT 8 GAMES
2 WINS 3 DRAWS AND 3 LOSS

WE WILL BE NEAR BOTTOM

WITH THE NEW MANAGER
7 WINS AND I DRAW

WE WILL BE IN TOP FOUR!

GOT IT ROY- -PLS NOW LEAVE

LANKANRED

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15 Nov 2010 13:11:59
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To be honest I dnt think that glen Johnson is not really a good player he conceeds more goals than he scores

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15 Nov 2010 12:45:14
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NESV BRING RAFA BACK, BRING RAFA BACK, BRING RAFA BACK

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15 Nov 2010 12:31:31
To this poster

I think we should all get behind roy, don't get me wrong im not sure hes the man to bring back the glory years, but this witch-hunt is doing no1 any favours. call urselves liverpool fans? At least give him a chance until we can get some1 else in. And if there is to be a change in manager, we want some1 young who can be around for the long term. . my personal favourite would be deschamps. good record, young, plays open football. . its a no brainer!
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Words fail me. they really do. .we should all get behind roy, please give me strength.
At what point may i ask will you stop getting behind roy, when we are relegated, when all our best players leave. its not a witch hunt. its a matter of survival it really is.
Do you in all honesty really expect roy to get the best out of our players, do you like the turgid mess he serves up as tactics, do you agree he is a master manipultor of the media, do you not see what damage he is doing to players. critisizing them one second then apologising the next.

Do you have any idea the damage us not getting into top 4 will do to this club. how many players do you think we will retain (or even come to us) if we end up as a fulham mid table team.

Of course non of this will be roys fault. it will always be someone else. the players fault, the board not giving him £500 million to waste, the hard teams we have to play. how tired the players are. the wind is in a southerly direction and not conducive to playing football.

If he doesn't go very very soon and at least give a new coach/ manager time he will drag us down. you wait and see.
So if a witch hunt is wanting him out and someone who knows what they are doing then yes it is

chris 1
Ed; why can't people see this. why on earth is anyone even considering giving this man more time!

chris 1 {ed's note - everyone has different opinions, it would be a boring discussion if we all agreed with each other.}

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15 Nov 2010 12:17:36
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I think that we are in a sorry state if people are willing to scrape the barell toeven suggest bringing back Aquilani. He isn't good enough for the PL and doesn't have the passion for LFC - Roll on January! Roll on Roy's P45!

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15 Nov 2010 12:07:27
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Give roy the 2 bucks he deserves and kick him out of lfc plzzzzzzzzzzzz.Ass

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15 Nov 2010 12:06:54
Stat: Roy Hodgson has only won 13 out of 105 away games in the English leagues.

no way how the hell did we ever put numb nuts in charge did the boys at the top not know this?
king henry

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15 Nov 2010 12:02:14
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Has anyone else listened to Ian Holloway's after-match comments (BBC Sport website).
Talks about blooding youngsters, wanting to play attacking football, playing lads who are in form in training regardless of their age, wanting every available point.
Not sure how he'd handle the egos at Liverpool - but I think on passion alone - he gets my vote for the next Liverpool manager ?

What do you think Ed ?

Cheers
RedTed {ed's note - I actually think he would probably do well, he wouldn't put up with big egos and would bring them back down to earth.}

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15 Nov 2010 11:52:43
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Stat: Roy Hodgson has only won 13 out of 105 away games in the English leagues.

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15 Nov 2010 11:46:22
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We need to get rid of roy. he was a good manager at fulham but lkiverpool r a uptempo team and he can't cope with there expectations. we should just get a manager like marinio sum1 who wants a chalenge

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15 Nov 2010 11:36:54
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Give the old hog roy 2 bucks and kick him out of lfc.Jacka_ _ _

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15 Nov 2010 11:20:45
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It was a big mistake to sign roy in the first place with all the uncertainty at the time i don't understand why we signed him up?

I remember at the time roy wasnt first choice can't remember who was first choice but roy wasnt no1

my question is why did they settle for there 2nd choice?

surely with all the s* t that was going on at the time why did they not wait until there was some light at the end of the tunnel as to how the whole ownership carp was sorted out. then to look for a manager that was more in keeping with the liverpool way of playing football

i didn't want roy from the start but have given him chances to prove me wrong but sadly i have been let down.

i love they way the board stood up for the club against h&g but i think they choose completely the wrong man for liverpool.

most of the time liverpool have had characters as managers strong personality's strong in there philosophy of how to play there football on the pitch and strong when of it

the football your team plays is a reflection of how the manager wants the team to play with roy it is fumbling, bumbling football with to much on defend first and maybe attack.

there is nothing strong about roy yeah he is a nice man but do liverpool need a nice man. . . . . .NO WE DONT

we need some one of strong character with a strong belief of how to play the game

liverpool use to attack as a team and defended as a team

people might laugh at Holloway but look at how blackpool play they beat us with ease i bet he doesn't take any s* t from the players but i bet he doesn't get any from them why should he they for me are playing the football that liverpool should play

i don't have inside information i don't have any sources i just don't understand why we signed a manager that is so opposite to what liverpool are all about very bad away record very defensive is this the new liverpool way ed?

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15 Nov 2010 11:19:03
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No Ed the Head we would of been 4th if we had won the last 2 games which I was on about.

{Editor's Note: But not what you said ...}

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15 Nov 2010 11:15:07
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If we are being constantly linked with midfielders OBVIOUSLY SOME ARE GOING TO BE SOLD THAT WE HAVE NOW the question is who. am starting to think, nesv is all about making money from sell on players and thinking stevie g at 30 won't be getting any more money than we would get now if he was to be sold. i can see nesv thinking 30 million or 3/ 4 more yrs of stevie at his best. all be it be it being wrong to sell but i think nesv will be looking to get a few qwid now to help building for future. that will send torres sailing reina jumping and carra ever slower. can you imagine lfc if they are thinking of selling gerrard, he is one massive reason for players coming to liverpool, he goes torres and reina then the grave yard for lfc. but we all new this when it was said to get rid of rafa you will see players leaving and set lfc back years and because he had his hands tied and one bad season many fans wanted him gone. under these owners he would have brought prem title guaranteed

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15 Nov 2010 11:13:48
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REINA
CARRA AYALA AGGER KELLY
LUCAS
AQUALINI GERRARD KUYT
PACHEO
TORRES


Subs
Babel , Cole, Soto, Johnson

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15 Nov 2010 11:08:23
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Kelly , Ayala, Pacheo should all be given more time they can't do any worse than Johnson, Skirtel and Maxi Rod

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15 Nov 2010 11:04:36
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This is **e***** speaking
MASSIVE BREAKING NEWS:
AFTER MAKING NO ATTEMPT TO GO FORWARD AND ATTACK AUDLEY HARRISON WILL SIGN FOR LIVERPOOL FC IN JANUARY

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15 Nov 2010 11:01:50
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We could of been 4th if we had won all our matches were just so lucky that the top 2 didn't extend there lead further.
Hodgson needs to go he said judge me after 10 games so jury, s in your GUILTY as charged mr Hodgson now leave! !

{Editor's NOte: Er - we would be top if we won all our matches ....}

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15 Nov 2010 10:58:58
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Skirtel is absolutely rubbish some of the younger lads couldnt a worse job than him and Maxi does he get payed to play for 10minutes in each game bcuz for the rest of the time he does jack! !

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15 Nov 2010 10:53:22
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This was in the daily mail don't know if it's real but think so also think it's really shocking

Roy Hodgson has never liked his travels - in his 105 away league games since 1980 with Bristol City, Blackburn, Fulham and Liverpool he has won only 13 times and managed just 35 draws.

NESV apparently work on statistics they should take a look at this one and how many teams have won the title with a shocking away record as bad as that.

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15 Nov 2010 10:47:55
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I think we should all get behind roy, don't get me wrong im not sure hes the man to bring back the glory years, but this witch-hunt is doing no1 any favours. call urselves liverpool fans? At least give him a chance until we can get some1 else in. And if there is to be a change in manager, we want some1 young who can be around for the long term. . my personal favourite would be deschamps. good record, young, plays open football. . its a no brainer!

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15 Nov 2010 10:46:04
RE: N'Zogbia

might play well, but he will rub 6players up the wrong way

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15 Nov 2010 10:44:33
When Roy was appointed i thought he was the best of what was available, bearing in mind no top-class manager would have come with the the club up for sale and the fact that any new owner might have wanted their own manager in place. Having said that, Roy seems completely out of his depth. He looks like a rabbit caught in the head-lights. He has MASSIVE managerial experience but looks/ sounds/ acts like a rookie. We are, under him, more worried about trying not to lose than trying to win. With the talent available to him, we should be performing to a much higher standard.

Carragher has had a few "decent" performances but Kelly should be our regular right back. The Greek was the right player to play against Stoke and has been one of our more consistent performers, at least he looks like he's bothered. i think even Roy has realised that Poulsen is sh1te and offers nothing. We have youngsters at the club with great potential (Mavinga, Pacheco, Suso), give them a go. At least they will be hungry to play. Spearing is not good enough, he's had plenty of chances and i think the same applies to Babel who has never made the most of his talents. At least try Jovanovic up front, it is his natural position. why not try Johnson at right mid? All these options seem so obvious to us supporters but Roy cannot see it, WHY? he is the man that sees the players on a daily basis but it can't get much worse can it. We were clueless against Stoke and Wigan and once again only started playing after going a goal down.

Roy, it's time to go now. .please. .

what do you guys think? ?

G SPOT

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15 Nov 2010 10:41:40
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I used to wake up each moring wishing new owners, now I wake up each morning wishing for a new manager!

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15 Nov 2010 10:41:33
RE: Football and Business

Business has no place in football, its a pssion for billions to lose millions.

An Expensive toy to play with.

No one in football expects to be paid working-man wages. be bought and sold for a profit.

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15 Nov 2010 10:38:44
RE: Palyers good enough play lfc

Riena GK
Gerrard CM
Kuyt ST/ RM
Torres ST
Joe Cole CAM
Skrtel
Kelly

Let Go>

Carragher CB (tooo old rubbish passer-too slow)
Lucas DCM (rubbish passer)
Kyrgiakos CB (turnin circle of tank-
Meireles HCM (too weak to PL)
Konchesky as a back up LB (bottom 6 PM player
Ngog (potential) ST (reactive player + 1st Divsion standard)

Your list is flawed.

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15 Nov 2010 10:32:52
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I know Roy would probably sell or give them away but how long, if given chances, do you think it would be before Amoo, Mavinga, Sterling and (especially) Suso would be ready to claim a regular 1st team place?

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15 Nov 2010 10:29:19
I don't see why lfc players are being called up for internationals. The club is fighting relegation

"Fernando Torres sustained an ankle ligament strain during Saturday's clash with Stoke City - but the striker will still join up with the Spain squad for their international with Portugal."

Shocked below par players still playing national football. LFC players like Gerrard, Torres should be staying at home. Get tough with players

National teams train the players into the ground. Risk them to injury.

Dont see how poor performing players can get picked

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15 Nov 2010 10:23:32
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Roy claims he is doing his best at the club. after the 2-0 defeat to stoke, who thinks his best is good enough? not me

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15 Nov 2010 10:22:17
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Shame on all the people doubting the king. everyones wondering what will happen if dalglish doesn't do well. well i can tell you he won't do bad he can't do bad don't doubt him. hes a red through and through, a winner who has the winning mentalitly and a proven premier league manager.

even if we don't do that great with king kenny as manager we will still see appetite, desire to win, good tactics and good mentality and thts all you want

True Red

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15 Nov 2010 10:21:07
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RH is not completely the problem its the squad
The only players good enough regularaly for top 4 let alone 1st are:
Riena GK
Carragher CB
Gerrard CM
Kuyt ST/ RM
Torres ST
Others worth keeping:
Lucas DCM
Cole CAM
Kyrgiakos CB
Meireles HCM
Konchesky as a back up LB
Ngog (potential) ST
So thats:
1 GK
1 LB
2 CB
3 CM
2 ST
1 CAM/ CF/ LM/ RM
1 RM
when liverpool should have
2 LB
4 CB
2 RB
2 LM
2 RM
4 CM
3 ST

So liverpool need:
2 LB
2 CB
2 RB
1 CM
2 LM
1 RM
1/ 2 ST

Sell:
Johnson RB 15M
Skrtel CB 8M
Agger CB 13M
Babel LM 8M
Jovanovic LM/ ST 7M
Maxi RM 5M
Poulsen CM 2M
El zhar RM 2M
Degen RB 2M

I really think we could do with Aquilani atm!
I would have really liked if we got Kenwyne Jones because hes scored the most headers in the league and a great hold up player.

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15 Nov 2010 10:20:51
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In reply to:

While all the fan hate is directed at Roy Hodgson, the new owners will be able to get away with murder.

BAD Points>

1- No building new: stanley Park Stadium
2- Director of Football looking to sell anyone making making £140k week or Worth a bit money.
3- Player Frustration > champion League Quality players want cl football > been out of it for 2season>3season in football is a career killer >reina, gerrard, Torres
4-No ambition to get back into CL football this season>no ambition at all from NEW owners.
5-Hicks was looking to asset strip the club > these new owners are looking to do the same

6- Dont buy a Ferrari > then strip it for parts>Just spend bit getting it serviced and wotch it zoom along at topspeed

7- Roy > Woy > Owner r showing no ambition > New manager would show the fans ambition,
> new manager wouldn't let the club get player
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You make some good points and they are all certainly viable, However although we can be forgiven for being wary of any new owner after what has happend, I think we have to give the new owners the benefit of the doubt as we have no choice and although It wasn't exactly pleasing to hear that players will only be bought if they have sell on value, its just good business sense from owners who are looking to set up a club that runs itself which I think is a better long term plan for any team. Its what Arsenal have set up and it seems to be working to an extent, possibly needs tweeking although that could be down to wenger refusing to pay haigh transfer values and wages, which is to his credit. The only other option is to get Man city style owners which although is instantly satisfying as you can have any player you want, the money can never be recouped and although that won't really bother Man City's owners, if they were to get bored and sell, City would be left with a big problem trying to cover them wages from there revenue alone. I also like the idea of having exciting young players playing for us rather than some of the dross weve seen of recent years. I think the main reason (Certainly my reason) for wanting Roy out is that the footbal is very poor quality its like watching a volley ball match that can't get a rally going as the opostion don't seem to want a play ball and keep controlling the ball and attacking us along the ground instaed of returning the tactic of lumping back up field. If we were getting results I would't deny I would be happy but I will say that even if the results were going are way I'd still be dissapionted with that style of play, its just not enetertaining. No doubt people would say its would change if Roy got the players he want's and Im sure we would get a bit better but In my opinion that style of play is never really going to win anything and judging by has past career I don't think Roy is going to change his mind and style of football. Thats just my opinion of course.

Bob Loblaw.

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15 Nov 2010 10:16:30
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King Kenny's reputation might not get tarnished, but Liverpools premier league status, might.


no were near as much as it is being now under a man. kenny will be a success iv no doubt, roy in history is 105 away games in prem and won 13 games, he carnt blame the players he has or hasnt got. the whole of spain and our few fans out millions see we have a great player in the making in young pachacoe, as he got some tallent, if he feels he short of players why the hell isn't he getting a chance.

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15 Nov 2010 10:16:13
RE:traveling fans are the minority


Travelin fans are the hard-core support of club, esp people who go and see underperforming liverpool at stoke. one of nasty fixtures.

So wha ever they shout out, is bang on.

They could speak for all the london living, middle of the row lfc supporters

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15 Nov 2010 10:13:32
All these players can be let go>

* 3. Konchesk
* 4. Meireles
* 6. Aurelio
* 14. Jovanovic
* 28. Poulsen

All rubbish buys this season. > money wasted

* - Aquilani
* - Degen
* - El Zhar
* - Insua

should of been sold>

* 16. Kyrgiakos
* 17. Maxi
* 19. Babel
* 21. Lucas
* 24. Ngog
carra -

> below par players?>


i don't knw why we wasted soo much money in the summer on rubbish player, esp in light of club being sold.


should of brought 4 world-class players and sold 15 useless one.

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15 Nov 2010 10:10:10
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I think its believed by almost everyone that Roy will be replaced in the very near future,
I have seen other teams in England and in Europe play young players if it is felt they are good enough.
We have some very very good young players who have never really been given a chance for one reason or another.
So my question is instead of just a knee jerk reaction of who you want as the next Manager, Who in your opinion would be the best choice to give our gifted young players the break they need and take a chance on them.
In my own opinion i think Kenny has to be involved somewhere along the lines but maybe as assistant to someone with present experience, So i would plump for . . Gus Hiddink (spelling). I know he is not in club football at the moment but he has a lot of experience here and in Europe. And Turkey has some problems over his salary so could be ready to offload.
Thank you for your time,
Mr Bobby Tupper.

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15 Nov 2010 10:01:35
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The way i see ur comments is traveling fans are the minority, they have no say cos we have millions of fans, fans can have there say but the club won't listen and do the oppersit, and we should be affraid of stoke because someone can throw a ball. were totaly diffrent roy to every other club fans you have had previous, i for 1 will not just watch you destoy our club are team and are spirit. you should be trying to get the fans behind you lad all i hear is you making worst media interviews. and see the worst football i have ever seen lfc play. roy be a man stand up and go so nesv have to put our king in to save our souls

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15 Nov 2010 10:00:00
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Well, i'm still gonna have a tenner at the bookies on Thommo coming back

I not sure if really If I want tommo back, I know he's passionate but I don't think people like Torres and Reina will respond well to tommo kicking the s* t out of them when the game is not going well. He has a bit of a reputation on being extremely tough on youth players as well. I know the likes of the English lads might deal with it but we have a number of foreign youngsters who I wouldn't want to be put off playing for us. I think one of the best things Rafa did was set up an excellent youth system with top quality youth coaches. On saying that, I have only read about Tommo in Robbie's book, and we all know that Robbie and Tommo didn't get on so It could be a biased view and although Im sure what Robbie's saying is truth, he might have painted him in a harsher picture than other players, Gerrard seemed to have a good view on him.

Bob Loblaw

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15 Nov 2010 09:55:25
Kenny D won't take the job at liverpool

Its poised job, any mug taking the job will be likened to Graham Souness. King Kenny knows the club is going to be stripped down to nothing.

We will be put back 10years in football terms. And will start over as a mid-table team.

Can the fans stop with Kenny Dalglish. We have better luck if we gave Diego Forlan Player/ manager Job here at liverpool

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15 Nov 2010 09:50:02
While all the fan hate is directed at Roy Hodgson, the new owners will be able to get away with murder.

BAD Points>

1- No building new: stanley Park Stadium
2- Director of Football looking to sell anyone making making £140k week or Worth a bit money.
3- Player Frustration > champion League Quality players want cl football > been out of it for 2season>3season in football is a career killer >reina, gerrard, Torres
4-No ambition to get back into CL football this season>no ambition at all from NEW owners.
5-Hicks was looking to asset strip the club > these new owners are looking to do the same

6- Dont buy a Ferrari > then strip it for parts>Just spend bit getting it serviced and wotch it zoom along at topspeed

7- Roy > Woy > Owner r showing no ambition > New manager would show the fans ambition,
> new manager wouldn't let the club get player

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15 Nov 2010 09:43:46
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I have followed liverpool as an avid supporter now since 1970, 40 of my 46 years on this earth.I have always supported the team and the manager, admittedly in the 70s and 80s this was easy to do, however through the Souness years and the spice boy era, i remained loyal to both the team and the manager(until the sun story re souness heart op).I embraced the change with Houllier, cried with Rafa in istanbul, pulled my hair out at his rotation poilcy sometimes, however in Rafa i trusted.This season I have lost the joy, i still avidly support the team, but Roy, this is not fulham this is LIVERPOOL, u say we need more players , true but YOU bought Konchelscy, YOU bought Poulsen, YOU bought Aurelio back, now YOU need to go anf give us our love back

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15 Nov 2010 09:23:15
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There was a post a little while ago from a lad who said he had been talking to Phil Thompson at an event recently. And Thommo had said, with a smile on his face, that there would be a "world class signing" in jan (or soon).
I've just been thinking of this, and I wonder if it's a piece of the famed 'scouse wit' at play - was Thommo referring to himself !?
Heard anything Ed / anyone ?
KB

{Editor's Note: Nope.}

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15 Nov 2010 08:45:31
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Frenchy. {ed's note - we are not looking for a manager, what we are looking for is a coach. Your arrogance and lack of understanding of the role that is looking to be filled is astounding. The only thing we need is a man who will get the players performing to their best, not someone here to boost their ego.}

== Apologies Ed. It wasn't arrogance or lack of understanding on my part. I was clearly just being lazy and hadn't fully read the topic.

Frenchy.

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15 Nov 2010 08:40:47
What does Hodgson get paid ?

MR TP

{Editor's Note: I don't know - but it is suggested that it could be asmuchas £3M per year.}

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15 Nov 2010 08:34:43
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Latest @ Daglish IN. . Roy OUT. . this is super rumous i'm waiting for. Usually watever rumours i'm getting form the web i visited its alwayz happening.
King Kenny coming soon. . I just hope Keegan will be his assistant No 2. would love to see 2 icons working together to bring back our beloved club where we suppose to be.

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15 Nov 2010 08:23:02
Part of me wishes inter Milan lose their next 5 games and rafa is sacked so we could have our replacement lined up for hodgson what u guys think

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15 Nov 2010 08:16:33
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14 Nov 2010 09:23:14
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When Hodgson is removed, we must never allow the London centric media and press 'steamroll' their choice as the next manager of Liverpool, just like they did with Hodgson. We never have done this. Even Benitez was mostly unknown to many when he became Manager in 2004.
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15 Nov 2010 08:08:48
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Morning Ed
So with another poor preformance away from home, some of the fans chanting for Dalglish and more of Roy's press conferences backsteping over his comments about Johnson (even through he was right, he has been carp this season) how long do you thing he's got left at LFC and would you for Kenny until the end of the season/ possibly longer or go for Frank Rijkaard?

And do you know if our new chairman is now based over here or still in the states? Does he how the fans feel? I assume we'll beat West Ham next week as were at home and that's bcos of the fans backing and not bcos of Roy tactical knowledge so wouldn't want him to think everythings fine when its clearly not

RedDan

{Editor's Note: It will come to an end at some point, when I don't know. The Chairman will split his time between here and the States. I would not go for an interim solution in Dalglish and somehow I doubt that he would want the gig.}

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15 Nov 2010 07:57:23
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I think the time has come for king kenny to come back I just don't want roy

Kopsan

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15 Nov 2010 07:04:34
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Ed,

Someone had mentioned a few weeks ago that there is a clause in Roy's contract that he can be sacked within thirty days of the takeover without being fully compensated but I don't remember the details. .do you know of anything? because I think its almost thirty days now! doesn't look good. .

{Editor's Note: I doubt whther this is true personally. And the 30 days would have been up yesterday.}

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15 Nov 2010 06:55:38
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I doubt NESV will make any snap decisions regrding RH whilst i believe his days are numbered it only makes sense to remove the manager when someone better is lined up and ready to take over something we should have done before sacking Benitez IMHO. If things get worse ( if that's possible ) I believe then and only then would NESV be forced into an early decision. It may be that Kenny takes the reigns for a short time until someone of proven quality or lots of potential is found to take over.( i would not like to see king kennys rep tarnished by trying to turn round tings unsuccesfully at the moment ).
If RH stays too long however my fear is not about whom we are going to sign but more about who we are going to retain. I can see Pepe and Torres leaving in the summer maybee Agger too and i doubt we could replace them with anywhere near the quality they offer. My feeling is this in Jan if at all possible call back aqua man ( dependant upon loan agreement ) Look for a genuine left wing with pace and whom likes running at the defence. Move johnson upto right wing a possition i believe he excelled at before. Kelly Right back either cole/ aquilani/ pacheco in the hole supporting torres
Mireles and gerrard midfield back four kelly carrageher or soto and agger when fit left back i think we can improve vastly on the options we have here so maybee look for some quality in this position in Jan. Lastly we need a new striker as much as i like kuyt and am frustrated by babel id sell both to obtain the services of a fast and dynamic CF someone who will give the opposing defence more to think about than just torres should we goto a 442

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15 Nov 2010 06:15:52
I need not say anymore about Roy Hodgeson. .

I'm glad more and more fans are seeing things in a real and critical way.
A loss to stoke is bad enough, his rubbish, unweighed and childish comments makes things much worse.
He has failed as a leader
he has failed as a tactician
he has failed to keep players happy, the best ones want to leave and managers like Jose and Anchelotti are speaking for our best players already
he has failed to win over the fans
he has failed to prove his own ability to himself
no good players with an ounce of ambition will want to touch Liverpool with a 100 Ft pole under Roy

. After all this, he does not deserve the great support and respect of LFC supporters

I am a Marketing professional, and to all those saying that the owners are smart and will make their own decisions, well, as a professional. .Its Suicidal NOT to listen to fans because it is the fans who are the revenue stream for the club. especially the more easily disappointed fan bases in the mid-east, far-east and central Asia. .the Owners WILL listen to what the fans like and want, because it is the fans they eventually mean to cater to. .in the end its all about Fans and revenue in terms of business success. .being Americans, and understanding the value of a brand better than most others, NESV will listen, they'd be stupid not to.

Anyways i have also heard that Roy is meeting with the owners. i hope he gets his marching orders.
In the interim it will be King Kenny as manager and The new director of football bloke responsible for signings. .this was always the back-up plan, especially this close to the transfer window.

So long Roy, you're a spiffing bloke and all. .but you're just not LFC material.

We'll be glad if you can take Poulsen off our hands please

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15 Nov 2010 05:19:14
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Kelly. . . . . . .Agger. . . . . . . . .

Johnson. . . . . . . . .Gerrard. . . . . . . . .Mavinga

. . . . . . . Meireles. . . . . . . . Aquilani. . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Pacheco. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . .Babel. . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . .

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15 Nov 2010 05:17:41
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Obviously Roy is not an idiot. Are all his ridiculous nonsensical quotes the quotes of a dead man walking who just doesn't care anymore?

Calired

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15 Nov 2010 05:13:26
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I say try to get steve coppell back into management, he was born in liverpool , and he has been a reds supporter all his life! what more do we need than a man devoted to the club and fans, with thommo as his no2, teamed up with comolli's expertise with players and transfer dealings; you never know, having a manager with a lifelong passion for the club may be the missing link between us being title contenders or not!To the bloke who wrote this above and all those of a similar opinion, get a life, really.

This is the EPL and its tough but Liverpools tougher (I HOPED so)

What is this "You'll Never Walk Alone" bulls* t when you come around and threaten the owners with hate messages about ROY. Does ROY have to "walk alone" because you are full of s* t.

Give the owners a chance and they will get it right. They have just spent enormously on purchasing the club, do you think for all that money they want a relegation battling club. If the TEAM stands together why can't you arrogant and delude fans.

I for one would say if you don't like the brand of football ROY's playing then don't go to the match and watch them play maybe don't even watch them on telly. Rather not even comment on Roy or the club on this site or any other. Well I guess if don't watch than you won't have anything to comment about. If that happens then you will be BETTER SUPPORTERS not the pricks that you are.

I am fully behind the idea that ALL new managers should be given the ENTIRE first season to make their mark. Be it good or bad they need your support and at least the time(1 season).
Do not judge a person when you have not given them a FAIR chance.

Here's a question for everybody out there including all you ed(s) -

If you were given an opportunity/ job and NOT enough time to make an impression and was DISMISSED/ SACKED, how would you feel? (Would you like it, is it fair/ right). Imagine you are ROY, what would you SERIOUSLY want for yourself in this situation.

Do not look for if's and but's, just look at the question above and be 100% HONEST.
Anybody out there want the SACK if you know you are not given enough/ fair time. I thought NOT.

Remember "patience is a virture" and good food takes time to prepare, so be PATIENT and give ROY the TIME.
If I can't reach out to you intelligent people then I really don't know because I also YEARN for that long overdue 19th, for that bragging rights, for that wanting to advertise vocally that we WON, the beautiful and attractive way of football we play.

I REST MY CASE . . . . .

What's the verdict guys are we behind Patience and Time for at least till the end of the season?

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15 Nov 2010 05:00:23
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OI! Mr Red Owl if your mighty Liverpool so much as come sniffing the same air as Owen Coyle it's no nookie for you (i don't care how good you are) and don't you try winning him over with that scouse pie in the new year.
You can leave off our Cahill too although I think ge would be fantastic buy for Liverpool and I would rather him go to your lot than the likes of Salford Us* ted or Moneychester City.
Pure White Owl x

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15 Nov 2010 03:43:34
It is all too obvious - Roy Hodgson is clearly not the manager that is going to restore LFC's title credentials . Graeme Souness , Roy Evans , Gerard Houllier and Raphael all tried i their own way and failed , yet everyone of them played far better football than Roy Hodgson .

He simply is incapable of achieving what LFC deserves .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 03:38:39
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A few things. .To the poster who stated he called John Henry 1000 times, that is redundant and not going to work. NESV are smart owners, they will make informed decisions. They do not make decisions lightly. In 2003 a man named Grady Little was the Red Sox manager, he got the Sox to the playoffs where they lost. NESV took their time after the season and got the current Manager, Terry Francona, who won two World Series titles in 4 years. The Sox also spend money wisely on Free Agents. There is a dialogue between GM and Manager, then the team goes out and gets there targets.

Im saying all this because Roy will probably in charge to the end of the season, then NESV will get their man and targets.

Finally just because Im in USA, does not mean I love the club any less than all the rest of you. I would love to come visit Liverpool and got to as many games as I could, it is ridiculously expensive. So I pay for Fox Sports and FSP, by a new shirt whenever its out, and Im going to support the team till I die!
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This is 100% true. Im a Yankee fan but I have to admit that the Red Sox know what they are doing. When the Sox hired Francona everyone was like "What the hell, he isn't a strong enough manager to lead a team like Boston." He had only had one manager job prior to Boston and was well under .500. However he is now the greatest manager in Boston history and a great manager. He led them to the greatest comeback in baseball history winning 4 in a row aganist my beloved Yanks in 2004, the teams first Championship in 86 years.

Damien Comolli is going to be Henry's man with Liverpool. He's going to choose the players, obviously with the input of the manager.

Henry is a good owner and the most important thing a good owner can do is pick good people to run the team and then give them the needed funds to do so. Henry will do this. But he is not going to make rash decisions to appease fans. Just think about it, when is there a better chance of getting a good manager? Now when the team is mired in mid table or in the summer with a fresh start and probably a few quality signings?

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15 Nov 2010 03:04:18
Typically the LFC team over the last few years has had only 3 standout performers - Gerrard , Torres and Reina plus a few good performers - Carragher and Kuyt .

I remember there was a time when the LFC team had World class players from No.1 through to No.11 with excellent back-up options capable of holding down a first team place even when the first choice player was again available for selection .

In the present first team squad there are only 3 players that perform at the level required by LFC , the rest of the starting eleven could be completely overhauled in the interests of the club . The next generation of first team players could already be at the club - reserve players , youth players and under performing squad players .

Available first team .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . .Kelly. . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Gerrard. . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . .

The only other dynamic players in the squad wether new arrivals or underachievers are :

Glen Johnson
Ryan Babel
Raul Meireles
Daniel Agger

Perhaps a new Manager could turn these players around and help 1 or 2 of the other squad players , even introducing a few from the reserves . But at the moment the LFC first team has a dearth of talent .

The reserves I would like to see given a run in the team at the expense of first teamers :

Sotirios Krygiakos
Martin Skrtel
Paul Konchesky
Fabio Aurelio
Christian Poulsen
Maxi Rodriguez
Joe Cole

Are :

Danny Wilson
Daniel Ayala
Chris Mavinga
Jack Robinson
Nathan Eccleston
Daniel Pacheco
David Amoo
Suso

It is time to be ruthless and give talent it's due , allied with some new transfers , measures could be taken to revolutionise the LFC team , along the lines that we expect NESV to influence the club in the seasons to come .

We know if a player is good enough they are old enough , many Football Clubs would be introducing our reserve talent into the first team consistently , Liverpool Football CLub always has - even at the expense of some of the greatest players the club has ever had .

To move forward the club has to make some drastic changes to the playing personnel .

Of course a new Manager may be required to exact such a revolution .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 02:46:05
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15 Nov 2010 00:21:02
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14 Nov 2010 23:04:06
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Apparently nesv have called a meeting early this week with roy.
any ideas ed?

{Editor's Note: It is about the Christmas Party.}

Yeah but knowing Hodgson the food will be out of date and he and the food will arrive boxing day.

And knowing, Roy, he will proclaim that it was the most famous food he has ever eaten.

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15 Nov 2010 01:33:44
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{Editor's Note: You could do the research yourself, but it sounds about right. I am with you in that we should kick the guy who recomended him right out of the club - Dalglish.}

I think you'll find Purslow brought in Hodgson. Dalglish believed all candidates wernt good enough so put his own name forward. Purslow refused Dalglish's offer. Dalglish believed Hodgson was the best out of the candidates but did not think him good enough! {ed's note - he was winding you up mate!}

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no offensive to the editor but want does he do? He has a one track mind and never gives true opinions. Or he just says "the other ed said _ _ _ ". But the ed is quality. He's like your dog mate. You throw the stick he runs after it. I'll get banned now right? Lol.

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15 Nov 2010 01:22:52
LFC have conceded almost half of their 'Premier League goals against' during the first 15 minutes after half time , says little for Roy Hodgson's team talks compared to the oppositions .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 01:15:04
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"15 Nov 2010 00:50:48
Roy Hodgson should understand that a Football Club's supporters are entitled to sing for & about Club Icons , wether it makes an inadequate Manager feel uncomfortable or not , Football fans - especially LFC supporters - have always been lauded for it .

Roy Hodgson's comments are ridiculously selfish .

1977"

Yep, that's the problem though, and one reason why i've lost all faith in him. Everything he says is designed to divert the pressure. Coming into the club and slating the squad was only intended to give him an excuse if the early form was poor, it was never going to make the players feel good. From there he's gone on to hype up every side we've lost to or drawn with and unfortunately the comments keep coming. He's turning into a politician desperate to hold onto his job and shift criticism rather than a football manager keen to instill confidence. It's depressing to hear how, with every word he utters, he seems to aspire to mid table "good enough" results. I honestly thought he'd step up and take this chance at a big club but the pressure just seems to have flustered him and he's falling back on excuses and defensive football.

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15 Nov 2010 01:13:12
A Poem about LFC

to be in the kop is a wonderful place
but the football this year is a bloody disgrace
many players and the manager, right from the start
seem to go on the pitch, with no passion in their heart

Roy sits, then jumps up, I've the answer he sings
more central midfielders no strikers, no wings
from the way that it's going we might as well be
shovelling s* t on the isle of Capri

I inherited the side is Roy's latest excuse
but with the new owners the purse strings are loose
Roy wants five new players but look what he hired
the first five he signed can't perform as desired

we need some new players to give us some hopes
a new manager too, and get rid of the dopes
but don't get despondent and please don't be sad
if the team don't get better, shovelling s* t ain't that bad

But we've still got nando and pepe in goal
but we need Guus Hiddink to get out of this hole
don't buy, play the youngsters, and make us a team
OK, not a rumour, merely a dream

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15 Nov 2010 00:50:48
Roy Hodgson should understand that a Football Club's supporters are entitled to sing for & about Club Icons , wether it makes an inadequate Manager feel uncomfortable or not , Football fans - especially LFC supporters - have always been lauded for it .

Roy Hodgson's comments are ridiculously selfish .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 00:40:58
Liverpool Rumours
I can't believe rh thinks this quote is acceptable
'I can't get upset every time the fans chant someone's name. Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose a game - but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times this season, because I can't see us winning every game.'

Shocking

BRIXTONRED

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15 Nov 2010 00:37:08
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15 Nov 2010 00:18:34
Liverpool Rumours
Isn't it funny how's those who wanted Hodgson ( because of one lucky cup run), now claim they never wanted him in the first place.
What a joke

well i hope they all eating there sorry words. anyone conected to liverpool should have known he wasnt the man and never will be, i said before he got it that id never go to a game again (didnt happen only missed 2 games upto now, without euro aways) and i am more sorry now just for the state of play, i am so sorry that i won't even say to people see i told so, but i don't know anyone who said they wanted roy for the job, not one person i know wanted roy.

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15 Nov 2010 00:36:42
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"I think there would be a delicious irony in Kenny returning and leading us to Number 19. Remember, Kevin Keegan was far from being a top coach, but he was "Mr Newcastle" and this alone nearly lead them to a title."

yes, and then keegan came back and was pretty useless! also, people asking for an ex-player to be coach/ manager, look at shearer and newcastle!

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15 Nov 2010 00:32:16
Hey , people seem to think that because Kenny Dalglish did not lead Newcastle United to all conquering domination that he is not the Manager he has already proven himself to be . Kenny Dalglish is one of the 'Greatest Managers' english football has ever known . A 60% win ratio during his time at LFC .

1977

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15 Nov 2010 00:29:01
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Breaking News!
Apparantly Roy Hodgson is staying!
Apparantly it's hard to get on the sick now and the thought of missing his signing on time has convinced him to stay

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15 Nov 2010 00:22:51
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WEL

JUST READING ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT GETTING RID OF ROY BULLS* T HE DOESNT PLAY THE FOOTBALL 11 OTHER MEN DO YESTERDAY WE PLAYED THE SAME 11 THAT PLAYED CHELSEA BAR KELLY.
THE FACT IS THE PLAYERS ARENT GIVING IT ALL AND WE'RE JUST MISSING A FEW PLAYERS. ACCEPT IT WE NEED A REVAMP AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES. . WE DID THE SAME LAST YEAR WITH RAFA WE GOT A NEW MANAGER AND NOTING HAS CHANGED SAME WITH THE OWNERS SO ALL THATS LEFT IS THE PLAYERS. WE NEED TO GET ARE HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND START TALKING POSITIVE .

WHAT YOU THINK ED {ed's note - perhaps you should be telling Hodgson that? He is the one downplaying our chances before and after every match. He is the one using negative tactics and screaming at the players to get back if they have the temerity to cross the halfway line. That needs to be changed and quickly.}

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15 Nov 2010 00:19:27
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Roy Hodgson - in his 105 away league games since 1980 with Bristol City, Blackburn, Fulham and Liverpool has won only 13 times and managed just 35 draws. (! !??! !? ?! )- - Question marks growing.

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15 Nov 2010 00:18:45
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Roys latest quotes " doing his best under these circumstances" what circumstances?

"fans should expect to lose more games this season cause I can't see us winning them all"

Have you ever heard such a negative coach? It's embarrassing. He is making a mockery of our club.

Calired

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15 Nov 2010 00:17:22
Woy's tactics won't get us anywhere i say if he don't go by the end of next week we should start a petition on here and if we get 1000s of email signatures we can send it to nesv. What you think ED {ed's note - I am not sure petitions will help at all in this instance.}

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15 Nov 2010 00:12:34
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At the minute the difference between looking at a rover's and Pool game are leagues apart. . .

It pains me to say but your not wrong.
Watched Sligo win the FAI Cup on TV today and
the football was better than anything i have seen Liverpool play this season :-(

How has it come to this stage? We look absolutely shocking and don't seem to even know how the game is played. At least we can only get better I Hope.

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