Liverpool Banter Archive May 15 2015

15 May 2015 21:37:17
OK, so FSG want Rodgers to carry on. Obviously they are blind to his failings.

I suppose the Rodgers lovers on here will be happy with this.

When we are looking bad at the end of November. I will not say: I told you so.

Tim Sherwood has turned around a side with good players that were not performing. They are now. Watch out Arsenal.

Are Aston Villa an analogy for Liverpool ?

Sorry FSG, you don't know the game. There is more to football than money.

Up to you !

15 May 2015 21:48:34
Have FSG come out with a statement to that affect, or is this Twitter?

15 May 2015 22:12:43
Not necessarily pro Rodgers! But home many times have we seen a Sherwood style response with clubs rallying forward when the new manager is in, the problems that usually arrive is once the manager has settled there!

I'm not saying Sherwood isn't doing a good job but we won't know how good he is until the end of next season until he has had a wide range of issues and a transfer market under his belt, it could so be that they go from strength to strength and keep improving under him but everyone falls under "second season syndrome" and more come out of it had then good!

I always base it on going an staying at your mates or nans house and its all the (yes please, no thank you, of course) and your mates mum goes why are you like this when your mate is.so polite "we've all been there" but if you continued to stay there as much as home and you get more comfortable then the bad habits come out haha but you might also get the person who is always terrific and always stays perfect! Just a funny little comparison!

Rather have some light hearted posts for a whole as its been a very long, stressful season!

16 May 2015 01:54:21
Is that a windup? When did the owners make that statement or are you posting wishful thinking and projecting it as fact?

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't matter they have handed the decision to someone else, so anything they say is irrelevant, as I keep saying.}

16 May 2015 13:51:46
Twitter + Macca + News media talking about which players he wants in the Summer = Bodgers staying.

Unless the cards are being held very tightly to the chest as news media have not got a whiff of any managerial change?

To whom has the decision been given ?

Klopp is quiet !

15 May 2015 17:55:18
I've figured out what I'll miss most about Stevie leaving,
Making my Mother/Wife/Children stop what they are doing to 'appreciate' his screamer,
Hearing the commentators talking about how sensational his strike was,
And watching him celebrate his goals and knowing it meant just as much to him as it did to me,
As I'm sure the past generations do about Kenny, Souness and Rush, I feel really privileged to have seen his career,

All the best Stevie lad, good luck in the USA.

15 May 2015 16:29:20
It seems that the club are at a major T junction with regard to transfers, because of the failure to gain Champs League. Is it time to concentrate solely on the youth we have in the ranks? One thing everyone seems to forget is that Origi joins this summer and I for one am excited by the prospect, yes he's young and may have a settling in period but I can see a great future for him. So chin up all there are things to be excited about and maybe we get one stellar player in the transfer window ! time to hibernate roll on next season

15 May 2015 16:54:46
I truly believe Coutinho will be world class. Emre Can has already shown that he has ability way beyond his years and is a very exciting player to have at the club. Origi shown at the World Cup that he is a top talent and Ibe looks very promising too. Markovic has bags of talent. Sakho, Moreno, Henderson look like they will only get better. There's plenty to look forward to from the group of players we have, and even if Sterling is sold we will still get a good fee for him to invest in the squad. I'm quite excited for the future, yet many fans soon overly frustrated.

Red Rum

15 May 2015 17:05:30
Before we buy a single player we need to move on all the players that don't have any future at the club. Only then can we actually take stock of what we need and how much money we can spend on the required players. Try to get the spine of the team right before anything else.

15 May 2015 17:48:39
I feel we should of tried to at least recall him in January knowing the fragility of Sturridge and BR's lack of faith in our options. Yeah he's young, but so is Sinclair. I hope Origi does make an impact because we need goals badly in our side.

15 May 2015 21:46:16
Irish, but what if you cannot shift any players on and Liverpool need to act fast before a target is close to joining someone else? Liverpool will struggle to move some players on this summer, most will probably be loaned out with Liverpool paying a large percentage of their wages, it will also be difficult to buy this summer as many clubs have money and will all want the better players. Loads of competition for players this summer, especially for the better players. With no UCL and little cash to offer it could be a disappointing summer for Liverpool transfer wise. Selling Sterling will raise cash, but with Carra, Suarez leaving last season, Gerrard leaving and possibly Sterling, will that not put players off from joining? Even slightly?

I think Liverpool need to make some shrewd signings this summer, so I think it's best BR steers clear.

15 May 2015 22:30:30
Ibe will be like a new signing next season after a good preseason. Change the manager, get a couple good signings like Coutinho and Sturridge and Liverpool will be better next season. But they have to get it right. A couple good signings is imperative, along with tying Ibe down for a few more years. Sturridge staying fit is important too, but it's all possible.

16 May 2015 00:52:55
Completely agree with red Rums comment above. We have cracking talent in our ranks that will come good. i'd also add lovern to the list.

16 May 2015 01:56:52
We have the squad, for sure. It's the right manager that we lack.

16 May 2015 03:53:43
I think it would be better to move Markovic on because he doesn't fit in the premier league. Either that or he needs to get arrogant real fast because he is too passive.

16 May 2015 08:26:38
Markovic has been played, predominantly, at right wing back, in a new league, with new surroundings, in a struggling Liverpool team. Wise up - the boy is young, has a lot of potential and we spent a hefty amount on him - moving him on will do nobody any good.

We also need to keep Sterling in my opinion. He will be an excellent player - his performance against Chelsea shows he is already very, very good. I don't see us being able to replace him with somebody of similar quality at his age. I want Markovic and Ibe and Ojo and Sinclair to play with Sterling, not instead of him. Selling one of our better, more promising players smacks of a lack of ambition and sends out a bad message to prospective signings and current personnel. Additionally, without CL football, we need to retain as many quality players as possible as bringing real quality in is going to be hugely difficult this summer.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs should never keep players who want to leave. Liverpool have recent experience of how toxic life becomes when they do that.}

15 May 2015 15:53:43
Its a shame we've not looked at schar from basel on a free. If we could get him and kono and sell skrtel and sterling would give us the much needed cash to buy a striker and fullback if manquillo doesn't stay And be an improvement.

15 May 2015 16:55:07
I have agree with you on Fabien Schar and Konoplyanka, who are both excellent players.

15 May 2015 18:56:14
the fact schars better than skrtel and is a rcb it baffles me the club aren't after him. him and kono are the players we need and at a price we can afford. A summer of schar,kono,montoya and a striker e.g aubameyang would we brilliant and if we sell sterling,skrtel amonst others wouldn't cost us much.

15 May 2015 19:02:43
380+ words in one sentence. Wow

15 May 2015 15:16:08
Just my thoughts regarding the current situation at our beloved football club. I believe the time has come for the owners to move Rodgers on. Many have expressed their opinions on him on this site and his support has wavered so much in the comments I read this season. As football fans we try to remain optimistic and put a positive spin on everything to do with LFC. Its time a bit of reality sets in and I hope it has done so for the owners too. This season has been a failure on all fronts.

The team has under-performed, tactics and team selections were often strange and the exciting football we finished the season playing was lost. For me out of all of the above that hurts the most. We have had injuries and lost an important player but were given ample opportunity to strengthen appropriately in the summer and failed to do so. Miserably. Whilst the playing side of things, for me, ultimately must fall at the feet of the manager but I would not hold him wholly responsible for our continued ineptitude in the transfer market. However he is not blameless and the signings he made, before a transfer committee was forced upon him, show that the owners have attempted to act to solve this. In this regard they, and the transfer committee along with Rodgers, have once again failed. The list of failures is piling up and with this success seems so much less achievable.

The owners invested in this club first and foremost as a business opportunity. Success on the field translates into success off the field and they must be very aware of this. They have shown decisive actions in their baseball venture and the time has surely arrived for similar action to be taken here. If there is any hope of Jurgen Klopp being an achievable target then the owners must be swift and move to bring him here. They have shown a willingness to invest, albeit somewhat foolishly it seems, but Rodgers cannot be allowed to have any further part in wasting the clubs money. He may eventually get things right but it won't be here, and the time is not now. The implications of this summer could have huge ramifications on the future of this club, the landscape of global football seems to be changing at an increasingly fast rate, and we are in danger of being left behind. If we fail to solidify and strengthen what we already have in this summers transfer window what we experienced this season will become the norm.

The teams above us are strengthening, each in their own way but are starting to do so more cleverly. They are buying ready first team players each year but not at a high volume. They are beginning to strengthen only with quality and we need to follow suit. Hire a manager that can work with the squad we have, identify and acquire a handful of players that can strengthen our first 11. We have players with the potential to be consistantly challenging for the title and in the top 4. We now just need to add the finishing touches. Hire Klopp and have an exciting fresh approach, start thinking sensibly and adopt the approach of the clubs ahead of us, that is where we wan to be after all, and utilise the amazing youth setup that we currently possess. That could be crucial. If we can get the other aspects right and can manage to bring through our youngsters it could give us an amazing advantage over our rivals with more spending power.

If we could start bringing through youngsters who have grown with the club and playing the way the club does they will have an almost second nature when playing together something that cannot be replicated by buying players later in their careers. Apologies for the essay. Y.N.W.A
Jack

15 May 2015 15:54:36
good post

16 May 2015 02:12:55
Awesome post!

15 May 2015 14:22:49
Hi Eds

What are thoughts on Steven Nzonzi being signed in the middle to bring a bit of physicality. He's a very good passer of the ball and gets around the pitch well. Reckon he could step up and get better at LFC.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest in him.}

15 May 2015 15:05:53
Ntep, Nzonzi. What next Ngog?

Red Rum

15 May 2015 16:27:46
Wolfie, he's not good enough. He's been poor for Stoke this season. I thought he went there to stand out and to get a move to Arsenal or someone but he looks to be at his level.

16 May 2015 02:13:31
Stoke is his level.

15 May 2015 13:10:59
United fan in peace here!

Just want to say as Gerrards career in the EPL comes to an end, what a pleasure and nightmare he was to watch especially against ourselves.

I wouldn't take him over scholes, just as I'm sure you wouldn't take scholes over Gerrard. Tinted specs and all that.

But I honestly cannot think of one performance more awe inspiring and heartfelt than the Istanbul final. He was tackling left, right and centre. Ran the pitch a thousand times over and single handedly inspired the club to go for the glory. That is one thing I think many football fans forget. It's unfortunate that he hasn't won the league, as much as I like saying it. I guess it does put a downer on his PL career. But to be fair to the lad he won a champions league pretty much by himself. Which is a feat not many players could ever boast.

Personally think you're going to be losing a lot of character and soul with him leaving and like we have seen with uniteds old guard leaving, it may take longer to steer through the void he will obviously leave.

It's a shame as you won't see footballers like him, giggs or scholes anymore. There is just simply no loyalty left in the game.

One of a kind, absolutely phenomenal player and I can say I only have the utmost respect for Stevie, loved his slip though! Sorry! Couldn't resist!

Good luck to him in LA.

15 May 2015 14:06:55
If take Gerard over any player . Scholes could not tackle or play multiple positions at he's level . Sick of this rediculous comparison . Scholes wasn't even Utd best player when Keane was there . Nice message from u al the same . But I know scholars instead of Gerard we would be lesser side . And the opposite way around he would have improved Utd . Complete

15 May 2015 14:32:29
Not comparing the two, completely different players but as a United fan as much as I'd of loved to have Gerrard I wouldn't have swapped scholes for him.

16 May 2015 06:39:45
Appreciate the post

15 May 2015 11:02:49
..........cut...........

{Ed002's Note - Reply to the original post rather than starting this all up again please.}

15 May 2015 10:43:17
There is a huge lack of acceptability in our situation at the moment and I personally feel its time for attitudes to change and get back looking for optimism.
Steve G is gone - it's done and good luck to the lad he is and will always be a legend. We've lost a lot bigger and better players than him and we're still here.
I personally feel now the Steve G shackles are off it is now up to the players to prove who can step out of his large shadow and come good. next season is the perfect platform for Hendo, Allen, markovic, Couhtinho, Stirling and the likes to show they are big name, big performing players in a big team.
This is a huge opportunity for Rogers now to carve himself out a proper name now the 'old guard' (Carra and Steve G) are gone so he has no legends to please and the power should lie firmly with him. I sincerely hope so anyway. 2nd and 5th in the last 2 seasons isn't bad really. Yes transfers are bad in general, tactically questionable at time but next season will be a change!!

Oh and unlike some of the other posts I do credit Rogers with our 2nd place just like I credit him with losses and bad buys! You can't blame him for the downfalls and not credit him for successes

YNWA

16 May 2015 02:16:04
The downfalls have become too much to overcome over the three yrs he's been here hence, we need to cut bait.

15 May 2015 10:11:03
Last Game of Gerrard at Anfield. Hope he gets a superb farewell, its going to be emotional.
Character & talent. he had it all.
Love you Stevie, maybe one day I get a chance to personally meet.
Adios & Best of Luck.

P.S. why is this not a bigger deal here on this forum. Is the forum only meant to vent frustration? c'mon guys one of our own is leaving Liverpool. Share your thoughts plss

15 May 2015 11:32:48
Best memory: Steven Gerrard scoring a hat trick versus Everton. It was also the day of my dad's funeral. That'll live with me forever.

15 May 2015 12:49:42
I've been a red for over 40 years,
Istanbul for me was heroic.
He grabbed the team by the scruff and led by example.
Enjoy your fairwell Stevie

15 May 2015 15:45:37
He is truly a great player and I'll always remember the goals , but for me the through balls and the way he picked out a player (the way he linked up with Torres and later Suarez was thrilling) creating chance after chance was a thing of beauty . Favourite moment , the through ball for Sturidge against Fulham last season . The one thing in my mind he never lost , vision .

15 May 2015 17:46:30
Thanks for sharing guys.

@Tristan I can only imagine how special that would have been.

15 May 2015 23:52:59
Stevie G is a club legend and had a awesome night in Istanbul but single handed please,Carragher that night got my MOM

15 May 2015 09:06:23
Any manager with his tactic or style is bound to fail at some point, or due to our emotional judgememts we screw facts to swit our needed condition. Rafa is lable as a politician here and deemed not switted to lfc, is the prime example of our emotional judgement. that is why i see it neccessary to maintain Rodgers because he has improve from his swansea days, if not Rodgers who? Bielsa with his naive football that fail at a.bilbao and maseil and he seem to be involved in a tag of war with the club owners here and there? Anceloti who has just fail at the most expensive club in the world, he didn't win them the league? the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know, Rodgers must continue.

{Ed001's Note - Rodgers has not improved from his Swansea days. Where on earth did you come up with that fantasy from? At Swansea he was getting results above the level of the players, at Liverpool he is getting results below the level of the players he has available to him. How is that improving?}

15 May 2015 09:16:00
Also bielsa did very well with bilbao and ancelotti won the champs league one year ago, how could you say either is unqualified?

16 May 2015 02:19:10
Bielsa got Bilbao to the EL final and won the gold medal at the Olympics. What has BR won or what European final has he coached? Another post filled with excuses for BR's failures, I guess.

15 May 2015 03:00:58
Why don, t we buy young argentin players, if we want players with sell on value. Before they are sold to Europe.

{Ed001's Note - usually work permit issues block it.}

15 May 2015 09:17:16
I believe that was the reason we didn't sign a 17 year old aguero isn't it ed? WP issues?

{Ed001's Note - I thought he was one of Parry's errors? I am sure he had the possibility to get a European passport, but I could be mistaken as it was a while ago and my memory is not the best.}

15 May 2015 01:54:13
Eds I read u saying that vietto could replace griezman at athletico where do u think griezman would go? Class player thanks

{Ed001's Note - probably Chelsea.}

15 May 2015 09:44:05
Chelsea will fund the Griezmann deal by selling Salah and someone like Piazon or Remy and still improve the overall squad quality. As much as i hate to admit it, Chelsea know how to conduct their transfer business without huffing and puffing and actually get value for money in spite of buying so many world class players. Shame the mugs running LFC cannot replicate or learn from a well run business.

{Ed002's Note - Quite frankly with offensive so called "fans" like you the owners should never put another cent in to the club and should look for institutional buyers. Liverpool used to have knowledgeable fans that they could be proud of - look at yourselves now.}

15 May 2015 10:13:05
Indian Buzzer

Its not the owners you should be looking its Rodgers.

The owners have given Rodgers plenty of cash to spend but he's wasted it.

This is Rodgers squad yet he has to play most of them out of position how does that figure out.

15 May 2015 10:46:35
Where exactly in the post did i blame the owners? I have always been very supportive of FSG since day 1 and the money they have pumped into the club. Its the people in charge of the transfer business and BR that i have a problem with. they cannot even figure out which areas of the squad that needs strengthening in spite of being paid millions so yes, i have every right to be unhappy with the way the club is being run.

{Ed002's Note - You awful words were "Shame the mugs running LFC cannot replicate or learn from a well run business." That is the owners, or "the mugs" as you see them. The club needs to refresh the supports as much as the squad.}

15 May 2015 11:11:26
I think IB meant BR/Ayre?Transfer Committe.

{Ed002's Note - As I have said, Liverpool USED TO HAVE knowledgeable fans.}