Liverpool Banter Archive July 15 2017

15 Jul 2017 23:21:42
Reports are coming out that Emre Can has signed a new contract with us, rejecting the approach of Juventus. That is great news, to push forward we need to keep are best players and, in my opinion, Can is one of those. Now, if we keep Coutinho and strengthen in certain areas I would consider this transfer window a success (Discounting the whole Van Dijk debacle, of course. )

Also, it sounds like Inter Milan are interested in Lazar Markovic. I hope a deal can be found. The lad has had his career ruined by Liverpool, a young promising star that was played out of position and then sent on loan to average team where he continued to stagnate. Wish him all the best.

Lastly, reports also claim that Daniel Sturridge has rejected a massive offer from a club in China. I don't know about anyone else but I relieved to hear this. On his day, on form and, more importantly, fit, he is out most clinical striker. We cannot lose him even to a distant club in China. Regardless of the money offered Sturridge is not a mercenary, he clearly wants to prove himself and get back to his best. He is not driven by money and that is an admirable quality for a footballer in this day and age.

16 Jul 2017 00:36:51
Great post la!

16 Jul 2017 02:44:24
Sturridge is an elite forward, we'd be mad to let him go.

16 Jul 2017 03:29:34
Well said man. Hope Sturridge can produce what we know he can, he has all the talent necessary. I genuinely believe the sky is the limit for Emre, selling him would be a huge mistake, I may cut a decisive opinion here but I believe he should start over Hendo and I really rate Hendo.

16 Jul 2017 04:05:37
Don't worry too much about Lazar, he is another one of those extremely talented kids who will never have the right mentality to make it at the top level. Good luck to the kid wherever he goes, hope he toughens up and proves me wrong.

16 Jul 2017 05:19:29
I agree with chiefscout, the club is not at all responsible for stagnating markovic, when he was given those loans he was supposed to show that he was good enough. All I can say is that the club made a very bad deal to sign a young unproven talent at such a huge price.

16 Jul 2017 07:32:41
I agree with African Red, at some point the player has to take responsibility for his own career, Markovic has never looked good enough for Liverpool or suited for the premier league. He has had loans away from the club and has rarely impressed. Liverpool may have made some mistakes early with him but the rest is down to Markovic.

16 Jul 2017 08:14:43
Good post apart from the Markovic part.
How can we have ruined his career when he's got another 10 years to go?
I remember him playing against Man City in his first game and he looked sharp and changed the balance of play in that game. He never really performed at the same level after that cameo for us.
Who's fault is that we'll never know but my point is blaming lfc is a guess. Likelihood is, it was a combination of factors. Some coaching related (being played out of position), some player related (good players should be able to perform well in any position) .

16 Jul 2017 07:53:44
I'd be interested to know who was the driving force behind Markovic's signing, I wonder if Ed001 could shed some light on it.
It felt strange at the time, even amongst that mad summer of lunatic deals, and feels even stranger now.
That deal always struck me as something that happened after one of guys in the back showed Rodgers a few YouTube clips on his iPad.

{Ed001's Note - Rodgers wanted him.}

16 Jul 2017 08:59:58
i thought he looked good at hull last season was it his fault Rodgers played him right back no. a young player who's confidence was taking from him and moving from country to country never getting to settle does help any player. look at Luka Modrić was the same when he first signed for spurs I was not sure where he played starting out on the left wing in and out of games now look at him. If he does go I hope the lad goes on to great things. and the club does have to look at its self with young players when was the last time we had any one come from the academy and make the grade. steven gerrard and that was getting on for 20 years ago.

16 Jul 2017 11:02:42
Kind of like Markovic. Hope we return the favour Inter did us by selling Couthino on the cheap, and that Markovic can develop into the very best he can be in Italy.

16 Jul 2017 11:20:15
Andy Thorne, what about Markovic, as a player, is particularly likeable? He's looked poor at pretty much every club he's played at, and showed few signs of improvement.

15 Jul 2017 22:23:10
Eds can you just hurry up and #AnnounceKeita and #AnnonceRobertson

Tired of this now.

15 Jul 2017 22:54:09
Yeah I reckon Robertson will be anyday now, hopefully anyway. Kieta I can see been dragged out a bit but hopefully not.

15 Jul 2017 23:17:26
Come on mate. Robertson hasn't even signed and your calling him a nonce? Not cool man. Not cool.

15 Jul 2017 23:47:40
Haha, cracker slowdog! Dunno who thumbed down your comment but they have no sense of humour 😂.

16 Jul 2017 00:14:38
Brilliant slowdog lol.

16 Jul 2017 01:22:13
You're quite quick for a slowdog! 😂.

16 Jul 2017 04:15:04
Hull are trying to get player on loan and there are a lot of negotiations need sorting out first. Kent was not the first player they asked about. They would happily take Ojo and Ejaria.

15 Jul 2017 21:48:27
a lot of questions here been asked about us getting a new striker. we should accept the fact by now that Klopp's no9 is Bobby. a lot of other people say sell studge and get a us a new world class 9.fact is only one world class/ almost world class 9 will be willing to sit on d bench for Bobby. guess who. Daniel sturridge. though hardly fit but I think selling him would be a bad idea as u will not get like for like quality more so he was fit for a longer period last season than usual. keeping him also makes sense as we will never get good money for him. on another note we need to loan out Ings, origi, or solanke. we are far too stocked up front as we will like to be seen as a club that give the academy players e. g woodburn, Kent a chance

fingers crossed we sign VVD or Keita not both but at least one for now and Robertson. I will be a content fan if we pull that off.
YNWA.

15 Jul 2017 21:18:19
Hi Ed (s) just bit of perspective please.

So I understand from reading all your comments etc how and why what klopp did was wrong.

Just watching skysports news and el dodgy car dealer Harry Redknap is in there waxing lyrical about Ashley Cole, Stuart Downing and Robbie Keane and how he'd love to sign them.

How does this differ? Is this not unsettling players.

As I said not trying to get justification for klopp or jump on the everyone does it bandwagon.

Just curious

Cheers
Keep up the good work.

{Ed002's Note - Hardly unsettling as one is out of contract, one has been made available for free and one has the opportunity to find a new club. So this seems to be yet another embarrassing attempt to justify the repugnant activities of the Liverpool coach. I don't understand why you won't let go and people keep bringing it up again.}

15 Jul 2017 21:37:01
No no I didn't realise their contract situation. and obviously I understand they are older etc.

Thanks for the response. I shall leave it there. ttfn.

15 Jul 2017 22:29:29
Ed I need some clarification on this too. I saw an interview with Nainggolan on an international break last season and he said that he spoke to Conte about joining Chelsea but decided to stay at Roma. Is that not tapping up? I'm honestly not trying to justify anything Klopp has done just trying to understand the difference.

{Ed002's Note - He was offered to Chelsea by Roma last summer and they had permission to talk with him. This is another pitiful attempt to deflect from Klopp' abhorrent behavior.}

16 Jul 2017 00:07:04
I really don't see how tapping up a player is embarrassing let alone a disgrace etc.
I'm certain there is underhand sh@t happening On a daily basis by all football clubs, including LFC, but I just don't care. I support LFC, which means I watch games for entertainment and obviously care about who we sign/ sell. The rest of the background greed doesn't affect me nor embarrass me, so tap away I say, just be prepared for the reverse.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are already serving one ban. Would another be something that would please you.}

16 Jul 2017 00:26:49
Ed002, whilst I am all for you sending posters off with their tail between their legs for rude, offensive or ridiculous posts, I've got to say I feel for Happy Tappy here.
Seems like a genuine question to understand the difference with that particular scenario and the actions of Klopp.
You have indicated that Chelsea had permission to talk with the player - that answered the question and you could have left it there. I am not sure that Happy Tappy has looked to deflect at all from Klopp's actions.
I await my own personal tongue lashing with anticipation 😉.

{Ed002's Note - I am being asked repeatedly about the same thing as Liverpool fans stumpble around looking to blame anyone but Klopp for his detestable and illegal approaches for the players of other clubs. Why they go on and on about it is beyond me. Why they keep trying to justify this bevaior is beyond me. The club are already serving one ban and many don't seem to care if they get another - they are making themselves a complete laughing stock.}

16 Jul 2017 00:46:01
I would agree with you there Ed002. Perfectly fair point.
A lot of time is wasted through repeated questions, not just tapping up, but can Klopp just forgive Sahko and why not give Flanno another chance. both of which I find fairly unlikely to happen.
We do need to find something new to complain about.

16 Jul 2017 02:05:35
I think these are genuine questions from posters who just can't tell the difference. You can normally tell the ones who are trying to deflect, they say stuff like "well everyone is doing it". People here obviously aren't as well versed in the game about how tapping up works. Maybe if ya had sticky posts or links to info etc that would help others.

{Ed001's Note - no it wouldn't because people are lazy and don't read them.}

16 Jul 2017 02:16:28
Can we not just drop this now. It's clear what happened let's just put it to bed and move on.

16 Jul 2017 01:37:52
Ummm, I'm not sure the OP or anyone in this thread is trying to justify any of Klopps recent behaviour. Seemed like a genuine question to me and a bit of an unfair response.

{Ed002's Note - I am not entirely sure why you are also getting involved and helping to drag this out further. One person after another are making unfounded accusations against other managers and coaches in order to deflect form the contemptible behavior of Klopp. People are also coming out and saying they don't care if Liverpool get another ban - is is the moronic "we is Liverpool" mentality. I have tried to stop all of this, but the fans want to go on and on about it.}

16 Jul 2017 01:40:52
That said ed is right it has been covered enough now. Time to move on!

15 Jul 2017 20:38:06
Eds do you seeing us going for a goalkeeper and centre back (not vvd) as it will be the only positions we haven't strengthened? We will have signed Robertson for left back, with milner as cover, Trent will be like a new signing this season and will push for clynes spot at right back, kieta to strengthen midfield, hendo will be like a new signing also if he can stay fit, grujic looking good also, salah and mane for both flanks, solanke up front I believe will come off the bench quite regularly and could impact games, if studge can stay fit also and ings back! Looks good in my opinion! Bring on the new season! Ynwa.

{Ed025's Note - i cant see it myself hardy mate..

15 Jul 2017 20:54:18
We won't be signing a new goalkeeper mate, Klopp got who he wanted in Karius and I think the lad will be good given time.

15 Jul 2017 21:00:07
I tend to agree teabag, although I worry mignolet and karius will just be GOOD keepers and not reach that level required to help us push for the title!

15 Jul 2017 20:56:39
Ok thanks for the quick reply, ed025 you are a breath of fresh air to this site! Keep up the good work eds! Much love.

{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..

15 Jul 2017 21:25:11
Wasn't Migs in goal in 2014 when we pushed for the title?

15 Jul 2017 21:52:54
He was happy tappy but we were clearly flawed in defence even back then too, although we could get away with outscoring opponents and it took the pressure off our defence! A world class keeper can be the difference, Just look at de gea at United, how many games would they of lost if it wasn't for him in recent seasons!

16 Jul 2017 11:18:14
No club can field 11 players who can win the the league. You need some players who can win you the league, and a lot of players who won't loose you the league.
Migs has gone from a definite liability to someone who won't loose us the league. Our potential title winners the way I see it are Couts (15+ assists), Bobby-Sadio-Mo (45+ goals between them) and Matip playing like Hummels.

15 Jul 2017 20:18:31
Just my opinion but i can't see us signing all 3 players mentioned by macca, that would be the best part of £200m spent, I believe Robertson is nailed on and we will push the boat out for kieta.

15 Jul 2017 23:20:14
I'm sure £100m was a figure that was suggested that relegation fighting teams would be spending this year due to the extra tv money. Add to that the extra funds we SHOULD get from sales plus CL money and I think £200m is possible.

15 Jul 2017 23:30:01
200 million where 150 million at the most. We will also bring money in with sales of Fringe players.

16 Jul 2017 01:39:27
Lee72, 70m on kieta, 70m for vvd, 8m for Robertson, add that to the 35m on salah and the tribunal cost on solanke! I think it will be very close to 200m spent!

16 Jul 2017 10:27:32
Hardly you said the 3players macca said which is about 150 mill at most mate.

15 Jul 2017 19:48:54
I would be quite happy with van dijk and keita, we will have an abundance if talent to choose from, taa will challenge clyne and milner / Robertson will cover lb. I'm very optimistic for the season coming, up front we can have a weekly selection from mane sturridge firmino coutihno salah lallana origi ings and solanke so I think ings will be sold along with sturridge . Grujic has the potential to be outstanding I just hope he gets games in an already tight midfield. No need for anymore signings sorry if that's boring etc but if we get the 3 targets we are linked with that would be great.

15 Jul 2017 19:18:28
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, LIVERPOOL 2016/17 Season Review: A Transfer Perspective

15 Jul 2017 19:03:37
I haven't said anything about who we have signed and who we haven't signed but I am starting to get worried about the lack of transfer activity by Liverpool. Now people will say calm down the window is only open and doesn't close until the end of August. We play our first game in just 4 weeks time and I would like to see us hit the ground running and go into the international break on the 1st of September with maximum point's on board. NB; An international break just as the season kicks off is madness.

15 Jul 2017 19:43:07
Get your wallet out then.

15 Jul 2017 22:16:59
International football ruins decent club football. Enjoy actual tournaments, but friendlies and qualification games are just pure torture. Love to see International games dropped.

15 Jul 2017 18:28:26
On this site quite a bit. Not a rumour as such but passing on what i have heard. as you may know brendan rogers is from carnlough, larne NI. not too far from me so we get the odd bit of information passed through mutual connections. to clear something up regarding sturridge, great player but does not want to play. according to brendan they had him everywhere to get to the bottom of his injuries and could find nothing physically wrong with him. without doubt in my opinion our best striker but this explains why klopp selects players with less than half his talent infront of him and will continue to do so. such a waste of natural ability.

15 Jul 2017 18:38:21
Andy that's the case then also a waste of wages.

16 Jul 2017 09:05:15
Ask yourself this question. Have you ever seen Sturridge get injured or pull up with a muscle injiry during a game? I can't remember our most injury prone player ever doing this for us or for England . It always seems to be issues during training. This may be just a coincidence or it could lend some credence to these rumours.

15 Jul 2017 18:10:46
With the Ox looking more and more likely to stay at Arsenal, I was wondering if we are still in the marked for another offensiv player, or is it the Ox or nothing (don't send Ryan or Ojo on loan) ?

15 Jul 2017 18:16:22
For those who understand tactics far better than me: is it pure coincidence that we have not won the league since the law allowing the keeper to pick up a pass back to him was outlawed? Both we and Forest - the two pass and move teams pre the Prem - have never been the same since. Perhaps our tactics were no longer viable without the breather we would get by passing back to the keeper? Or we just hired a load of poor managers, and didn't evolve like other teams. I suspect the latter, but I am still intrigued by the link in our decline and that law change.

15 Jul 2017 18:39:12
Yes that is the reason why we haven't won the league.

15 Jul 2017 18:41:33
We didn't anticipate the change that Sky made to football.
Man Utd did anticipate it and they stole a march on everyone else. We were left behind.

Look at those who have won the league more than once since then:
Chelsea - money
City - money
Man Utd - saw the changes early and invested well
Arsenal - Wenger's early genius.

15 Jul 2017 15:05:25
So if now as expected we sign Keita, VVD and Robinson along with Slolanke and Salha that's pretty much Klopp's main targets secured. I am therefore expecting a strong title bid from us as I am sure that has what Klopp with have promised FSG or they wouldn't be spending this big.

Come on red men.

15 Jul 2017 17:05:48
Cross Your Toes, fingers say Hail Marys, and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

15 Jul 2017 14:41:46
ED02

Not really getting this to be honest. let's not be daft and keep spouting about the club not doing things right. The player will put in a transfer request as it appears he wants to move to Liverpool. LFC will then open negotiations with Southampton and deal will be done.

Football has no morals at the highest level, it is a very tickle and corrupt industry, look at FIFA for starters.

Need to get over this illegal approach mate.

{Ed002's Note - I am sorry but you have to be some sort of idiot. You clearly don't understand what Liverpool have been doing. Klopp briefed the press in order to unsettle players. Although no directly illegal, it is morally reprehensible and it damages players and other clubs. Klopp doesn't care even though it is, like him, thoroughly unprofessional. Klopp has continued (after two warnings last season) to make illegal approaches to at least three of the four players he was unsettling. This is completely unacceptable and when caught and a complaint made, yet again with their tails between their legs the owners issued a grovelling apology to try and avoid further action. That complaint is still on file - it has not been withdrawn. Liverpool are also serving a ban for screwing up the career of a 12 year old, lying to the authorities and fraudulently changing official documentation. The club are also facing a court case where something potentially show stopping could be presented as evidence. And you think this is all OK?}

15 Jul 2017 15:01:40
Ed 02. Little off topic but are you a fan of Klopp or have you not bought into him. Not a pop but very keen to hear your full opinion on him.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a decent coach but is not the best coach in the world as many here think. His behavior causes embarrassment to his club and continues to be inexcusable.}

15 Jul 2017 15:05:44
This is what pisses me off, you guys believe everything the EDS say, yet you don't believe them when they say things like this ^^
what we are doing as a club is incomprehensible. It's just wrong plain and simply wrong, there isn't any point in justifying our behavior, other clubs may be doing it (tapping up, not ruining people's lives) but we've been caught.
Either people don't want to accept that our club is acting pretty disrespectful and disgusting right now or they genuinely believe that what the eds are saying but don't believe it's that bad.
Get the rose tinted glasses off guys. It's bad.
It's embarrassing bad.

15 Jul 2017 15:08:07
Hi Ed002.

Completely agree with all your above remarks.
Not trying to excuse his recent actions just wondering if this is something that has only really happened since he arrived?

Understand if you would rather not say as it is a ongoing court case.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool got caught tapping up Clint Dempsey long before Klopp. An ex-captain of the club also went in to writing saying that he tapped up players on behalf of the club.}

15 Jul 2017 15:16:13
Thanks for reply.

Sounds like we are long over due some serious consequences of years of bad behaviour.

15 Jul 2017 15:25:24
What I don't understand is, are this type of approach really that unusual. Is it only Liverpool/ Klopp who does this? Don't get me wrong I don't approve it at all, but I don't see how a club in our position will be able to strengthen, if you can only approach players off contract, or the ones who's up for sale because their club don't rate them good enough to their squad. I mean we SHOULD be able to, but let's face it, the real good players don't prioritize Liverpool, unless we take matter in our own dirty hands. I know you don't agree Eds.

{Ed002's Note - Yes it is unusual. You cannot approach a player without the permission of his club. Others have done it and punished as well - most recently Everton in the Premier League. Barcelona has also been punished amongst others.}

15 Jul 2017 15:59:07
For heaven sake how many times do we need to talk about this! Seems every 4days or so we are talking about this tapping up and ed002 opinion of Klopp.

15 Jul 2017 16:02:55
Eds, this unprofessionalism is clearly something that plagued Liverpool over recent years. Is it something klopp has been guilty of himself in previous seasons too?

Appreciate all the hard work.

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

15 Jul 2017 16:07:24
Cheers for the reply Ed 02.

15 Jul 2017 18:07:17
ED002 is extremely knowledgable and I respect his opinions but his constant bashing of Klopp is just getting tiring. We all know what it is. As a Liverpool fan I'd rather concentrate on debating transfers and the team itself.

{Ed002's Note - All I have done is answered the questions asked by Liverpool fans. If they don't like reading the answers, perhaps they should stop asking the questions.}

15 Jul 2017 18:24:03
Apologies Z99. You choosing to come onto the site and read our comments is our fault. Please let us know if there is anything else upsetting you.

15 Jul 2017 18:51:33
Oh god. Not this again. Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the site.

15 Jul 2017 13:59:15
Ed 001 sorry if you've already said but was just wondering what actually is your opinion on Keita? Could he be world class? Haven't seen much of him but I've heard a lot. Your opinion is always greatly appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - no idea, not seen much of him.}

15 Jul 2017 14:46:06
Tbh at first I thought how on earth could we spend so much on a player who has had one decent season but then l look at Swansea asking 50 million for Sigurdson with Everton prepared to pay it so it just seems to be the going rate.

15 Jul 2017 14:56:38
Brilliant yes, World class, not yet.

15 Jul 2017 15:05:12
Keita is going to be world class. Watched him play a bunch of times and he simply stood out in all aspects of the game. Against Leverkusen, he ran the opposition midfielders ragged, tackled and stole the ball all over the pitch and nearly scored with individual brilliance.
I could tell this kid is going to be one of the top5 midfielders in the world over the next decade.

15 Jul 2017 15:49:46
Ed 001 is there someone's opinion who you trust that has seen him play?

{Ed001's Note - one who just said it was a bit early to judge him but did like what he saw of the player.}

15 Jul 2017 10:49:17
Morning eds

Ed002, with Maccas news last night is it fair to say there is obviously ongoing dialogue/ talks between us and Southampton meaning we have indeed gone back on our word?

{Ed002's Note - Don't expect the owners to make any further statement at this time.}

15 Jul 2017 13:16:25
Not a difficult one to work out this.

Player puts in a transfer request, Liverpool put in offer due to change of circumstances, simple.

Southampton will have no option if Liverpool offer 70 million. Why keep a player at the club if he wants to go and 70 million is on the table.

Southampton release statement that is written with their supporters in mind.

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Southampton would have no option? And remember Southampton already have a complaint lodged with the Premier League. And the club would be trainling more slime around after them following their humiliating apology and withdrawal of interest after making an illegal approach and tapping up the player.}

15 Jul 2017 13:48:03
Worth bearing in mind how quickly a player depreciates if he isn't playing.
Should VVD decide to strike and refuse to play, Soton will have a big decision on their hands.
Do they accept the £70 million deal or do they risk him not playing any football, draining resources and perhaps end up accepting half of that in the winter of next summer?
I'm not advocating this and I'd rather we stepped away but I guess it depend on how he feels more than anything else.

15 Jul 2017 13:57:26
I for one really hope that we don't go for VVD after the apology given earlier and not because it'll get us into trouble with the FA or anything. I want us to walk away solely because we should honour our word, as simple as that.
We made an illegal approach and should just own up to it and move on.

15 Jul 2017 13:58:47
Hi ed

Wasnt expecting the owners to make any additional statement mate? Not sure what you mean there could you explain please.

Was just getting at the fact we must be in contact if Macca has said he expects the player to sign. Unless i've got it wrong?

{Ed002's Note - The club issued a humiliating apology to Southampton to tray and avoid charges of making an illegal approach for yet another player - and said they had withdrawn all interest in him. It is very, very simple.}

15 Jul 2017 14:09:56
the club made an apology, the FA investigated the matter end of. if VVD is available we should buy him who cares about the apology. he will make us better. the vast majority of fans want the best players in order to compete. i couldn't care less what other clubs or fans think about us. Do. u think United fans or Chelsea cared they ain't liked when they were hoovering us trophies.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the FA and there has been no investigation.}

15 Jul 2017 14:11:30
Guys, don't forget, if you have been following this site for at least 5 years you should know, ED002 is a European power house in the football industry (benny baller quote)

What Ed002 is stating above, I personally take is how all owners of football clubs around the world see us, explicitly.

It is not 1970 anymore, we are not European royalty, we are are the gutter scum of football business, like it or not.

I have jumped trains and hitch hiked lifts all over Europe trying to get to away games in the 70's and 80's and missed mortgage payments because of it (and minus one wife)

Times of changed, you should too.

15 Jul 2017 14:25:23
That is what's worrying me. How can we sign a player we stated we had no interest in anymore etc. It doesn't ring right to me it really doesn't. How are we going to look if we sign him? People are thinking of the player and what he can offer us but what about how the club will look? That to me is more important, we messed about, got embarrassed and we're still interested in him? You can't make this stuff up.

15 Jul 2017 15:14:45
I'd rather not have VVD and avoid any further punishment i think.

VVD would be a great option but there are plenty of other good CBs in the world. Guess if our competition (i. e arsenal, chelsea and city) are going in for him that may change my stance a little bit but still sway towards being sensible.

15 Jul 2017 18:26:34
Come on, be honest lads, we all want vvd, why wouldn't we, great defender and will finally add some steel to our defence. It is getting very boring listening to the same questions over and over regarding tapping up etc. We all know what's gone on and it is very wrong and unethical but bottom line is I want to sign vvd and I believe it will happen one way or another, as will Keita. Liverpool need to smarten up big time and learn from this but can we please move on now. ynwa.

15 Jul 2017 20:04:58
We all want vvd? I'd rather avoid signing him to avoid the public humiliation personally, it's alright saying 'move on' I guess you didn't see the club when it was run properly then? you choose to ACCEPT this ridiculous behaviour and brush it aside like it's nothing. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this way I don't know but it dearly annoys me how people look past all we've done and don't care how we as a club look. It's plain and simple wrong what we've done. I could go on forever about the good old days and how the club SHOULD be run but it seems many of today's fans don't give a damn.

Jordz, you sir are sensible. If our rivals are going in for him that's fine though, they haven't tapped him up so they won't look stupid by signing him.

15 Jul 2017 21:07:28
Calm down tea bag, you quite clearly haven't read my post properly have you? I quite clearly stated that it's not the way to do things and they need to learn from it but guess you missed that when you stepped on your soapbox again. we are all entitled to an opinion. I have followed Liverpool for over 30 years mate and know it very well. I don't agree with the tapping up at all, poor way of doing things but I'm sorry, if we have the chance to sign vvd still then I want us to sign him. My opinion mate and I'm entitled to it, so stop being so sanctimonious all the time because quite frankly it's boring.

15 Jul 2017 22:52:17
I'm talking about what is right and what's wrong. Us signing him will be a wrong move, I'm not going to repeat myself over and over again, it's pretty evident on how we will look should this go ahead. Even if he was a world class player, which he is not, he's really good but world class, far from it, id still not want this to go through. Everybody's raving about the lad and forget about the important things, THE CLUB!

You don't see Chelsea, Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs. or come to think of it any other club in the Premier League getting embarrassed like we have, so what's our excuse? and yet you want to go sign a player who if we did will make us look pathetic.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion as is everybody of course but I just don't agree with it that's all.

15 Jul 2017 23:58:48
Again, not reading properly tea bag. where did I mention anything about world class? You are arguing with yourself! You carry on mate!

16 Jul 2017 00:10:53
Didn't say you said anything about world class did I? who's not reading properly? I'm just making it as a statement, loads of you are rambling on about him as if he is, and he's not, your acting like he's the bloody messiah.

16 Jul 2017 10:04:57
Snoreville teabag! Lol. either way, vvd would be a bloody good edition to our squad, end of mate. Have a good day. you clearly missed my point in the first place. but never mind. Ynwa.

15 Jul 2017 09:42:49
Got to say karius didn't look any better last night. Dropped ball under no pressure. Let ball roll under his foot.

Is he just to casual or what?

Migs still easy choice at #1 for me.

15 Jul 2017 10:32:28
And it begins.

15 Jul 2017 10:51:20
Begins what? I'm just saying he has had a year to work on stuff and looked no better in a zero pressure freindly.

15 Jul 2017 10:57:00
Do we need apply unhealthy pressure on the lad after a couple of mistakes in a friendly that nothing negative came of it.

15 Jul 2017 11:26:10
I think there's a difference between slating a player and giving constructive criticism. These lads get paid a hell of a lot of money so fans should be more than entitled to have their own opinion and voice them as long as it's not personal and deserved.

15 Jul 2017 11:38:12
Agree. He made poor mistakes and doesn't look good enough to replace Mignolet. Why shouldn't that be discussed? Some here are sooo pc and fragile. I'm sure Karius isn't crying into his £50k a week wage chq.

15 Jul 2017 12:12:27
Harsh to expect full focus in a pre-season friendly.
Can't say all the other players were faultless.

15 Jul 2017 12:49:51
Where all those others fighting for their place while needing to prove something? A professional on £50k a week that had a disaster last season should have been fully focused.

15 Jul 2017 13:09:07
Maybe it's for Ward to challenge them both and take the number 1 Jersey?

Baz.

15 Jul 2017 13:14:54
Kind of agree Ron but to stand a chance of starting against Watfo he needs to be pretty dam special in pre season and if he can't get motivated for it then he's got no chance.

15 Jul 2017 12:35:15
He will improve I'm sure.

15 Jul 2017 12:42:21
Can't expect full focus in pre-season, Ron? I can understand being rusty. I can understand trying some fancy trickery. I can understand not throwing yourself into a tackle that might cause injury. But if you can't be focused on your job and put in effort during pre-season, when you're being evaluated and compared to other players you're competing against, I'm sorry but why are you even playing? It also speaks to the player. It speaks of a lack of desire to compete and win, even if it is only preseason. I want players in our team that take it seriously and even personally in pre-season, 5 a side, or the season. Players like milner, Suarez, Stevie, hendo who you can see they want to be first even if it's checkers. So your excuse, to me, makes it worse than him just being bad on his first run-out in a while. But, was migs that bad in his first preseason? No. So for me, migs stays no. 1. But I would like to see ward get some preseason to throw his hat in the ring.

15 Jul 2017 15:51:36
Did anyone else make mistakes?
Did Studge miss the goal by about 5 yards?
Did Firmino fluff his lines in the middle of the goal when challenged by the keepers?
Did Lallana screw a few shots past the post?
Did Salah miss the goal from a few yards out?

Why the focus purely on Karius?

It's pre-season, you're not expected to peak in pre-season.

15 Jul 2017 16:13:10
Should players be paid a reduced wage in pre season then. Would the average man working a normal job get excused if their work performance dropped. Footballers are made for life, a little bit of criticism isn't going to do no harm. That's how the world is changing at the moment everyone is too precious and PC.

15 Jul 2017 17:07:57
I wonder if some fans really understand football.

In pre-season 1987 Liverpool lost 1-5 to Atletico Madrid and then went and played the best football of the last 30 years and won the league by April.

30 years ago some of you would have torn a strip off that team in pre-season because they all made loads of mistakes.

15 Jul 2017 17:21:37
Great argument that "30 years ago" 😂. 30 years ago you were watching games in black and white. Times move on, all he's said is Karius didn't look much better last night.

15 Jul 2017 18:49:31
I believe that being one's own harshest critic is the best road to excellence. Criticism from others is ok, but I generally only seek it from people I respect and trust. One should also remember that criticism can be positive as well as negative; somehow we only see the negative side. I didn't see the match but I expect he got a fair few things right! I hope Karius seeks it from Achterberg and Klopp and isn't daft enough to read what you muppets write. It's fine to have and express opinions, after all this is what the site is for; just don't assume they matter one iota!
What's a supporter after all? Who supports you in your lives? I hope they don't pull you down like some of you guys treat our players. YNWA.

15 Jul 2017 18:51:11
Jayden, your reply reveals a lot about you.

I'm taking George Carlin's advice 🤝.

15 Jul 2017 19:26:39
Jayden constructive criticism comes from a coach, preferably in a one to one situation with the player to improve the player.
Keyboard warriors prefixing their bitching about players with the get out clause "it's constructive criticism" is b@! @ck$.

15 Jul 2017 19:30:39
"I wonder if some fans really understand football"

"Isn't daft enough to read what you muppets write"

Well some people on here surely hold themselves in high regards.

Any chance in filling us in on what makes your opinions and knowledge better than everyone else's.

15 Jul 2017 19:38:15
Idontlooklikeklopp. So does that mean you have never once criticised an LFC player over any of the years you have supported them.

{Ed025's Note - look guys they are just opinions, lets not get personal or abusive as it will just lead to deletion of the thread...lets play nice fellas..

15 Jul 2017 19:53:07
Ed 025 and the other 2 gentlemen. I apologise. I didn't mean any offence by my comments. LFC brings the passion out in me. YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - ok mate cheers..lets just move on hey and be civil to each other..

15 Jul 2017 22:43:08
Jayden, when it comes to knowledge of how to coach football I'm the biggest muppet going. Thing is, I know it. I do know how to coach my staff at work through, and believe me people respond better to praise. Sorry to have upset you. I'm teed off cos it's Saturday night and I'm still working.
Ps being a muppet isn't all bad. Animal is my role model for how to behave as a musician.

15 Jul 2017 08:45:36
Away from all the transfer stuff, has anyone seen the pre-season games? Any thoughts on what formations we've been playing (e. g. Coutinho in centre mid) or whether any of the fringe players look ready to step up (e. g. woodburn, TAA) . And yes, I know they are only friendlies.

15 Jul 2017 08:49:15
433, I think these 2 games were just about getting that fitness up. So it was a mixed team both halves.
We are off to asia for a tourney against bigger teams soon so maybe we'll see his first team plans. Mane I think is staying in Liverpool.

15 Jul 2017 08:50:36
Couts played on the left wing. It looks like klopp is just putting players out there for a run out at this early stage.

15 Jul 2017 10:27:59
Woodburn has gone up a couple of bra sizes over the summmer!

He has doubled in size and put on plenty of muscle. Has looked very sharp so far also, showing some very good touches and an awful lot of confidence.

Final ball needs to be worked on but can see him being a long term replacement for Lallana. Seems to be coming on as a Lallana/ Countinho type player.

15 Jul 2017 08:10:44
Just a nod to the quality full backs debate. I think next season may see a change in approach. Last year, Clyne and Milner were expected to get wide and stretch the pitch. To be fair, they both created more chances than any other defenders in the league.

Next year, I don't think they'll be required to do this as much.
1. We have Salah and Mane who both have pace to run wide and beat men.
2. Coutinho will be central, he won't need Milner running past him to give him space.
3. Keita? Himself and Coutinho would be getting forward taking up the positions usually occupied by Mane and Coutinho of last season.
4. Milner and Clyne sitting inside more, providing bodies for the counter pressing and winning the ball back earlier. Aswell as options for when the attack fails.
5. More defensively solid. If the fullbacks are central during attacks then the shape is kept a bit tighter.

I think inverted wing backs is the current preferred phrase.

I am all for buying full backs but I wouldn't be surprised if we change our approach slightly and not need them as urgently as we currently think.

15 Jul 2017 08:52:18
Interesting read and theory that Barnseybob.

15 Jul 2017 11:52:46
Then we need fullbacks that can defend. Milner and TAA can. Clyne Moreno not so much and Robertson wasn't that great at Hull so if we do shift to that situation we need better players.
Fullbacks are becoming one of the most important positions in EPL. We'd either be behind what others are doing or ahead of the game by doing the opposite.

15 Jul 2017 07:43:09
Just been talking about who leaves cause if naby joins then we are stacked in mid like edo2 says can't keep buying with out selling also if expected ox comes to then I would say 2 first teamers would go any idea who eds sore edo1 say counts but unless he wants to go I can't see it surley it wiuld be counts hendo naby in mid so that leaves can lal gini gruic ejaria spanish lad I forget his name done well in first to games preseason so as u see were over loaded who goes? Cheers.

15 Jul 2017 08:25:27
Can maybe? Still no contract is there?

15 Jul 2017 08:28:27
Just seen the post below! Question answered I think! Hope Coutinho stays but I agree with Ed1 it looks like we're preparing for life without him 😞.

15 Jul 2017 08:30:52
Good question! I think Keita (if we sign him) will play a box to box role as one of the two in midfield behind Couts or Lallana next year. So in those two positions we can rotate Hendo, Can, Keita, and Wini. That leaves Leiva and Stewart to go out the door and Ejaria coming through. I can't see Chiravella (the Spanish lad) or brannagan coming through and as much as I like the look of him maybe Grujic will leave. This depends on how Hendo is with his persistent injury and it has been mentioned on here he may be fazed out, so Grujic will have a slot to fit in. Can't see where Ox would play so don't think he'll come to us.

15 Jul 2017 06:41:33
Then its time to change the domain name ED's. With this domain name people think its a rumours site.

{Ed001's Note - why? If people think that, then changing the domain name is not going to stop them being idiots. Why don't you run along and tell Ford how they should change their name because it sounds like a river crossing?}

15 Jul 2017 10:12:49
"Why don't you run along and tell Ford how they should change their name because it sounds like a river crossing? "

😂 Ed post of the week 👍.

{Ed001's Note - cheers Ronald ;-)

15 Jul 2017 06:23:40
If we do sign Robertson as reported, where does everyone see Milner fitting in?
Do you expect him to start the season as first choice and gradually transitioned to the bench for Robertson to come in or do you still think he can play there for 1-2 seasons as a regular starter?

{Ed025's Note - i see him as first choice right back myself reet..

15 Jul 2017 06:35:59
If TAA keeps up his performances in preseason it wouldn't surprise me if they both rotated the right back position, to me they are both better then Clyne. TAA alone I don't think he's ready to hold the position game in game out but if he was gradually put in, with Milner I think it'd work well for him.

15 Jul 2017 08:34:45
I agree Ed025, his only real weakness at LB is the constant coming back onto his right. Played at RB I think he could be great. I wonder if Klopp still wants Clyne gone? Eds?

{Ed025's Note - i would think so mate..

15 Jul 2017 12:02:23
I have thought Milner should have been England's best right back for years, had his career taken him that way. I still think he is a very handy right back option.

14 Jul 2017 23:53:13
I must admit I've never seen this Keita play is he really as good as people say? I don't follow German football at all but everyone seems to be raving about him I just hope it's true if we do sign him. I have loved the thrill of the chase though I have to say 😂.

15 Jul 2017 00:33:37
He is very good.

15 Jul 2017 01:53:59
He is a engine room.

15 Jul 2017 02:07:11
I Have never seen him play as well. But i trust klopp and he seems to rate keita highly.

15 Jul 2017 10:28:08
Just the hands down best midfielder for jurgen.

He's a usual bayern signing.

That's where he should be at any of the top European clubs currently, "we will regain our crown"

Just been overpriced and the likes of bayern, Madrid, Barcelona don't have the cash for him. We have the tv money, so we win this round.

With such an outlay we should hopefully get a 6 year deal out of him aswel. Which guarantees us 5 good years. without any extension.

So happy. It's not the money or calibre of player just how it has been done. The persistents. The strength that we have shown to come out on top. It's like when Madrid whistle that they want a player. when do they ever really lose.

That's what we have to do now. Shut them all down. Get our players in and say to cou we have everything now, your not going anywhere.