Liverpool Banter Archive January 15 2018

15 Jan 2018 23:52:44
Following on from watching Bobbys goal and comparing it to Robbies v Utd in 95 have you seen his first goal, cut in from the left and blasted it past Schmeichel at the near post just like Sane v Karius, just shows how bad Scmeichel was, bet he was hung drawn and quartered as well. nope? That's probably because he was one of the best ever keepers and he too was human and made mistakes by being beaten at the near post, do you think rat boy Neville slated him for that?

16 Jan 2018 03:04:43
Scmeichel was pundit for Australian coverage of match. He said it was an inexcusable error Karius made and if he made it he wouldn’t talk to anyone for a month. funny how they forget. Perfect in retirement.

16 Jan 2018 03:07:16
Whilst I respect the sentiment and agree that Karius should be given time, I dislike the comparison. Schmeichel to
Karius, really? Even at that point in his career he had helped United to two league titles, and was one of the best goalkeepers in the world. A mistake from schmeichel isn’t the same as a mistake by Karius. Karius makes them quite often, almost as often as Mignolet, hence why they both get heavily criticised. Karius should be allowed to hold down the number 1 spot for the rest of the season and be given the chances that have been afforded to Mignolet but the double standards should stop. If that is Mignolet he’d be getting lynched, and we’re not talking about a guy who’s just made a few errors in Karius, let’s be real. I’ll back him and the managers decision to play whoever in goal but neither are good enough by my estimation, and if we ended up losing yesterday post like this wouldn’t exist. Dose of reality.

16 Jan 2018 03:17:56
Similar but not the same. Robbie didn't give him a chance whereas Karius himself knows he should have saved it. His reaction said it all.

He does deserve a chance though if we're not buying this window.

16 Jan 2018 07:31:48
I will not compare both GK's as that is a non issue, IMO. The shot could have been saved and Karius was PISSED afterwards. That shows that he cares and he has the right attitude. Migs has been beaten at his near post more times than I care to remember and after each goal, he would sulk, feeling sorry for himself. I want my players pissed off when they make mistakes. Karius will now get his chance and it is now ALL up to him/ The question now is will he get the support of the fans cos judging by the right bile and dross he is receiving on SM right now, I doubt it.

16 Jan 2018 08:06:39
Why don’t these multi-millionaire players with teams of agents who manage their careers PAY someone to manage their SM.
Lots of others celebrities do it. The footballers don’t need to read it at all. I really cannot understand it. Anyone can write virtually anything without consequence. An SM manager could block/ delete the bile before the player reads anything.

16 Jan 2018 09:01:19
I have to say some of the verbal bull that some people post to try and get a point across really takes the biscuit sometimes.

So Karius is pissed but Mignolet sulks and feels sorry for himself? I mean how do you know this? You dont! You are just charactor assassinating a player beacause of your dislike for him as a player.

He might not be the best but give the guy a break.

16 Jan 2018 13:15:21
Tell ya what, I got really really creeper out watching the Bobby-Robbie goal video, it was exactly the same in every way except Fowlers was slightly wider from goal and ended central instead of hitting the post and going in like Firmino's.
But the pass, the area they reached the ball, the shoulder barge, the keeper coming out and it being a chip shot was exactly the same 😱

And to the Schmeichel part, fans and pundits are so much more critical about players nowadays, partly because of the huge wages they demand compared to 10+ years ago, the "evolution" of the game, technology, training, the ball itself. but to be honest it’s probably mostly because of how much social media explodes nowadays when the likes of Neville say 1 thing about a player, everybody on the web adds to it to make it seem worse then the ball doesn't stop rolling and journalists add yo the comments too lol.

16 Jan 2018 13:18:18
as ed025 all ways says get your red tinted glass off Karius is just as bad as Migs if not worse look at the free kick he let in this year in the champions league think that's 11 games this season 2 mistakes that has led to goals and with only 3 wins from the 6 champions league games that we was in total control of them all. can't remember Karius making one save that made me think that's won us the games and as many mistakes as migs has made at end of last season he won us points with some good saves to get us champions league. my be when he makes a mistake he sulk because he knows what he is going to get for next month.

16 Jan 2018 21:03:22
How do I know, Irish Rover? I actually watch the games, that's how. Even Ed01 has said he has a poor attitude and a "oh woe is me" attitude whenever he concedes a sloppy goal. I have watched him have that sulky look on his face for years so I have nothing against him personally as you wrongly suggested.

Also, he got canned and he's moaning in the media like he has been hard done by. That must be a sick joke. Did you see Karius throw a strop after being dropped unfairly by Klopp thru media backlash last season? NO! He got on with his job and said NOTHING thru out the time until now. If you think that is character assasination then you need to look up the word cos telling the truth about someone's approach to football is not what that is.

15 Jan 2018 21:56:38
Ed, can we have a poll 'do you want to sign a new keeper this January or would you rather stick with Karius? '
I'd go for the latter personally purely because he deserves a run of games to prove himself.

{Ed033's Note -


Liverpool Keeper Poll

15 Jan 2018 22:04:10
Looks like Karius visits this site and is voting for himself.

15 Jan 2018 22:05:31
Karius for me too. Give him time.

15 Jan 2018 22:19:29
Now that he’s in for the season I’ll give him my full support and really hopes he takes his chance. I fear the worst though.

{Ed0333's Note - I really can’t see how most people can’t see how Karius is better than Migs in all departments. Do I think Karius is brilliant? No he’s not? Do I see him as our No 1 keeper next season? No I don’t but ffs sakes people he’s better than that the imbecile we’ve had for the last 5 seasons. I fully expect a shiny new keeper in the summer until then let’s give pretty boy some support and you never know he may just surprise us.

15 Jan 2018 22:19:56
That’s a bit embarrassing Klavy. I hope you are not judge d the same way in your life!

Give him a chance he deserves bavking and support.

{Ed0333's Note - hear hear mate

15 Jan 2018 22:21:28
Don't see why everyone is so against Karius - would be happy if we sold mignolet don't want to see him on the bench even.

{Ed0333's Note - yep

15 Jan 2018 22:24:49
It's a terrible shame some of the so called fans were down on him very badly at the start of the season because the guy really needed a full season to gain experience and boost confidence in himself and others around him.

Give him the chance he deserves he has a lot of excellent qualities.

15 Jan 2018 22:22:23
Your not going to get a decent keeper in January so obviously go with karius and see what your options are in the summer.

15 Jan 2018 22:51:58
Please call me up on it if I'm wrong come the summer but I really believe Karius will come good, I think he will come good enough to a point we're not looking for a new GK. Many will disagree which is fine but I think with confidence on his side (should us loyal fans support him) and regular playing time, he will learn from the mistakes he makes and really impress us.

I have really high hopes for him, I just don't like seeing people insulting him like I have seen today, this will only push him backwards, he will lose confidence and we might end up with Migs again. Let's stand with him, he's one of us, he needs our support let's give him it. Sure there's a chance he will fail, this happens, if he does so be it, he still doesn't deserve to be insulted though.

15 Jan 2018 23:03:48
Squiresy, I said I’d give him my backing and support and hope he comes good. What’s embarrassing about that?

I’ve been critical of him and for good reaspn because he hasn’t shown anything yet when he's played. He’s the only goalkeeper who I’ve ever seen kick a goal kick out for a corner and just don’t understand why so many on here think he will come good.

I’ll be delighted if he does. Mignolet is nothing special but I think he is better than Karius. Yes, Mignolet’s had 5 years and I feel that if we gave Karius 5 years we’d be talking about him in the same way as we do about Migs now.

Nothing against Karius, it’s just an opinion. For the first time in years I feel we are going places and both keepers have the potential to jeopardise that. Personally I feel we need to spend what it takes to fill this vital position.

15 Jan 2018 23:04:44
I voted for Karius. Reckon we wouldn't be able to sign anyone that much better immediately.
That being said, then why not give the lad a good run, he just might do well.

15 Jan 2018 23:06:43
Surely a new keeper to come in wouldn't replace karius and it will be migonlet moved on.

People say karius needs to do better but it is hard to do better without the run of games. So the critism is harsh.

15 Jan 2018 22:40:29
Spot on, Ed. Karius may not be experienced and maybe needs better
coaching and games to show what he can do BUT those who say Migs is better have IMO, become numb to his mistakes of which the Arsenal one was the last straw, IMO.

People have been against Karius cos they expected him to become DDG from the off and when that did not happen and having been traumatized by the Migs' horrible LFC career as a whole, they fear the angel they don't know and trust the devil they know. This is why you hear fans saying Migs' is slightly better than Karius whereas Karius would not have lasted a season let alone 4, had he been as dreadful as Migs for 4 seasons. Now whenever he plays, it's like people want him to make a mistake so that they can say, "I told you so". Pathetic reasoning, really.

I'm just happy Migs' is history so we don't have to deal with him anymore. Now it is time for Karius who will be auditioning for the position, take his chance and run with it. He will fail or succeed by his own hand and that is fine by me.

{Ed0333's Note - exactly fella I mean at the very least he can’t be worse than Migs at best we’ve found a new No 1, well probably get somewhere in the middle if you ask me.

15 Jan 2018 23:14:31
Karius for me. Clearly better than Migs for me and deserves a run of games to try and claim the shirt. That said I do expect a top class keeper thos summer, however if Karius can replicate the life d of form that made us buy him then maybe other areas can be strengthened. Klopp is one to give players a chance as well so here’s hoping he can loose the nerves and step up.

15 Jan 2018 23:49:17
The timing of us having vvd and starting to play Karius is a little harsh on Mignolet. But I'm not a big fan of his. Hopefully karius just needs games and confidence. Wish him all the best.

16 Jan 2018 00:10:10
I think John Achterberg is as much of a problem as anyone else. His arrival coincides with Reina's dip in form. Mignolet hasn't really improved since coming in and Karius is a bit shaky.

I think Karius could be a really good keeper but it's clear that the position will be revisited in summer. Mignolet and Ward don't have a future, Karius will need to take his chance now or he will be replaced. Fingers crossed he does, he has all my support.

16 Jan 2018 01:06:11
I voted for Karius, look at robo, majorly doubted by 99% of fans. Had a couple of games an looked rubbish, but now he has had a decent run of games he is really starting to outshine Moreno who was having a great season too (by his standards anyway)

I don’t understand why people think the same rule of 'needing a run of games to settle and be at pace' DOESN'T apply to goalkeepers. They still need to be up to pace with the game.

1 thing which has me worried.
Has Klopp made him the no.1 now to play him in the league games, with butter fingers (Migs) playing in the champions league? I seriously hope not xD
Karius for EVERY game we play now. I hope 🙈.

{Ed0333's Note - well said mate

16 Jan 2018 02:30:15
IMO Migs needs to get sold in the summer (if not sooner) as he’s proven he’s not what we need. The side looks better with Karius in it - both keepers make mistakes but somehow the CBs seem to be more sure of their positioning, and whether Karius is coming for the ball or not and that’s a big factor in the overall defence. Ward should be backup but Karius should play the vast majority of the games for his confidence. Then in the summer we can look to bring in a new no.1 if he hasn’t made the position his own.

As for the coach, I’m sorry as I don’t know the guy but Achterberg has to go. If I was the head of the worst performing division in my company year on year for 6-7yrs then no way would I survive, some fresh blood would be brought in. I don’t know if it’s the players, the coaching, his inability to guide the selection decisions or just the inability to inspire confidence, but he’s clearly not helping identify the problem and address the situation and that’s his job, to fix the situation, and he’s failed. I’d bring in the best available GK coach ASAP. hopefully that would freshen things up, add a new perspective and help Karius’s confidence and then they’d be settled in before next season starts.

{Ed0333's Note - there’s a lot of sense being talked today. Fully concur my good man.

16 Jan 2018 06:41:35
Probably be Mignolet back between the sticks on Monday.

16 Jan 2018 07:20:04
There are basically two opinions of Karius. The first is 'he's not good enough either'. These guys are over critical of the keeper and focus on his mistakes but they are desperate to see Liverpool improve one of their biggest problems and are frustrated that Klopp has wasted another couple of years on a keeper that's done little to suggest he's anything but average.

The second opinion is 'he can't be worse'. The guys who think this are also desperate for Liverpool to fix it's biggest flaw but they're ready to accept pretty much anyone due to they're dissatisfaction with Mignolet. They overlook Karius' flaws and use arguments like 'he was the second best keeper in Germany' and 'the CBs are much more confident with him' both of which are sketchy arguments at best.

I'm in the former camp but I'll try to give Karius a fair run when he plays. I actually think he was fine on Sunday but fine is what we get with Migs most games. If Karius is going to have a Liverpool career that lasts longer than another four months he's got to be good and I don't think I've seen that yet.

{Ed001's Note - actually there are 3 - I don't know if he is good enough or not but I am willing to wait and see how he gets on.}

16 Jan 2018 07:38:52
Spot on, SG. Corelation may not be causation BUT the trend lines you stated cannot be ignored. Karius was THE reason Mainz made EL footie for the first time in their history in 1'5/ 16. The guy was a top talent and no. 1 for the Germany Olympic team (along with Brandt, Meyer, Goretzka etc) . He comes here tho he broke his hand so that slowed him down BUT in any case, he looked clueless and and don't recognize him. Same with Reina who declined and so did Migs who got poorer as time went on. If we don't need a new GK then we definitely need a new GK coach.

16 Jan 2018 08:15:38
You can’t compare leagues. It’s chalk and cheese.
I don’t think playing games eliminates technical flaws like positioning and catching. The only thing playing games COULD improve is confidence. However, if he keeps making technical mistakes he will keep getting exposed by pundits and his confidence could get worse.
Why do I think playing games does not eliminate technical flaws? Exhibit A - Simon Mignolet. He has had these flaws since day 1 of his career in this country and still has them today despite a very long run of games.

Karius needs coaching. He’s not going to get it at LFC. Therefore we need a new keeper. I don’t care if it’s now or in the summer, we can’t win the league this season so it might as well be summer, BUT we have to set up the deal now as come the World Cup it will be doubly difficult.

16 Jan 2018 13:13:39
We should give all our players support and should not be insulting them whoever they are, Karius, Migs, Lovern Moreno all of them wear a liverpool shirt and try their best and should have our best support. If Klopp decides to bring Migs back in, then there will be a very good reason and we should respect that. I am all for giving everyone a chance, and willing to accept these chances may cost us points and may eventually cost us a champions league place. Do you?

16 Jan 2018 13:58:22
Hey Ron agree with this part
‘Karius needs coaching. He’s not going to get it at LFC’

The technical errors need to be coached out and yet we don’t seem to ever see our keepers improve - hence why we should be replacing our coach. Hopefully one would bring a fresh set of eyes to the issues, and give Karius the confidence that comes with learning and improving.

16 Jan 2018 21:07:30
Ron, so by your logic, it is the GK coach that needs to go and not Karius or Migs then cos if your bright shiny GK comes in and has the same GK coach, he will get worse like Reina, Migs and you guessed it, Karius has been after being good where they were before they came to us and you will then be in the same boat again.

17 Jan 2018 12:17:17
SGRed, I don’t think it’s the coaches fault to be honest, Migs has and always will be rubbish, and Karius has has to be on the receiving end of Bobby, Mane and now Salah and the Ox (previously Couts too) in training. Poor lad probably can’t do anything to stop any of them scoring against him in training 😂😂.

15 Jan 2018 20:34:27
Eds n reds. now that's Karius is looking like getting a run of games, i would like to hear the kop pump him up a bit with a song. make him feel wanted by us and give him a bit of confidence. from the comments by Robertson saying hearing the crowd sing his name gave him goosebumps and obviously turned him into the energiser bunny haha it may very well give him that extra 10% to get him going. if it doesn't work then so be it, but atleast we can say we played our part to give him every chance. thoughts.?

{Ed002's Note - It seems most people here want him gone as well.}

15 Jan 2018 20:45:59
Swing low sweet chariot


YNWA.

15 Jan 2018 21:03:51
We have lost just one of the 22 Premier League and Champions League games that Karius has played for Liverpool since he arrived.

He has my full support, that’s for sure!

15 Jan 2018 21:15:14
Mine as well, hopefully he grabs his chance.

15 Jan 2018 21:18:13
It does seem that way Ed002. but those people should take a back seat until the end of the season and let the rest actually support him and just see what happens from here on in.

15 Jan 2018 21:33:43
Song? For gifting the opposition goals and making his backline unsure? Come on guys, I'm okay that he gets the support he needs now that Klopp has decided to publicly endorse him as a No. 1 a second time in his short Anfield career. But why should the Kop gift him a song? For his good looks or for his contributions on the putch?

15 Jan 2018 22:51:09
Disagree, Noski. The kid barely plays and when he does, he has good games and bad games BUT no rhythm. The kid needs to be playing and he will get his chance. It is up to him now, not me nor you as you clearly have no interest in supporting our player.

If you can you could bear a 29 yr old mistake in Migs for 4 season, riddled with more errors than any other GK in the PL during that span, I'm sure you can live with a young GK with up side and hope of improving for 4 months. I know I can.

15 Jan 2018 23:42:13
Noski, the OP just gave you a reason why to sing a song. You seem more entitled and will give if you receive. Sounds like a customer. Good stuff.

16 Jan 2018 01:53:15
BRover, irrespective of my personal view that Klopp has shielded Karius a lot and given him every opportunity to thrive, and irrespecrive of my personal view whether he'll ever make it as a No. 1 at Anfield or elsewhere, I agree that he should be given every opportunity to stake a claim for the shirt. But folks like Faithinworks going about being entitled is just plain ridiculous! Sing him a song, fly a plane over Anfield saying "I love you Karius. " Ridiculous! What makes a player deserve a song from the Kop? Fight for the shirt and show you care, and stop all these nonsense!

15 Jan 2018 19:41:25
Thanks for the reply Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}

15 Jan 2018 19:13:56
I am not trying to blow smoke up anyones arse but Klopp has moved on and is still moving on players who do not want to commit.

Can has everything made for him here, like Coutinho, the club does not need to lick ones arse. If you have a contract with the club then respects it.

Coutinho chose his path, so will Can. Big deal.

Our squad is far better off than what it was when Klopp took over. That is what is important.

We have had some top players leave the club but now we have a manager who does not need top players to replace top players.

Salah was unimportant at Chelsea, went to Italy and there was uneasiness when the LFC made him our most expensive player ever.

Even I was unconvinced about Salah especially when we totally messed him around when Brendan went about mucking about when he went about messing about in the market like a kid in a candy shop.

Salah wanted to move to Liverpool to Liverpool the first time round when Brendan went mucking about.

Klopp has brought one of the best signings in ages to Anfield in Salah. Not once did I believe Salah would have made the impact of being one of the best players this season in the EPL.

If Salah wants to pack up and leave then so be it. We have made some of the best players in the world. Unfortunately for players like Owen, his self importance got the better of him.

Our suqad is well eqiuped, enjoy the ride lad and laddies.

16 Jan 2018 13:14:25
Totally agree max, the squad was weak when klopp took over, we almost have a pl winning first team now, and what a signing Robertson looks to be too, absolute class.

15 Jan 2018 18:39:57
Firmino, Salah and Mane. POTENT.

Go find a better attacking front three than what we saw yesterday.

15 Jan 2018 19:07:20
Max, that one's easy. The front 3 at PSG are no slouches and to me, they just about shade it even tho you're right, ours are flat out frightening.

16 Jan 2018 01:32:38
BRover, give PSG our midfield and I guarantee the front 3 wouldn’t even come close to being as dangerous as ours lol.

15 Jan 2018 18:32:01
Can I ask someone with a little more knowledge than me - if VAR comes in for cup games, who pays for it? If the game is united away at a non league side, will VAR be brought with the cameras? Will it be bought and used jsut once? Will it just not happen in that game?

{Ed002's Note - It can only be used at PL grounds and uses the extant video feeds, so there is no additional cost of note.}

15 Jan 2018 18:50:34
So in the third round of the cup, it won't be at all games? Seems unfair you either do every game or none!
Thanks for the knowledge though ed.

15 Jan 2018 17:59:51
is it true that we interest in ozil? Any chance we sign him?

{Ed002's Note - Mo.}

15 Jan 2018 18:20:46
I think Wenger has really created a a theme where not one of his players need to take responsibility for the position they are in.

At least with Ox he wanted to better his situation. He could have gone to Chelsea and earned more than what he is now. Ozil will want to move to one of the big teams where he will be centre of attention.

That is just my opinion.

15 Jan 2018 18:27:40
Now that's WDS cryptic from Ed002!

Is Mo the key to Ozil? 😉.

15 Jan 2018 19:10:18
Nah, I'll pass.

15 Jan 2018 17:47:41
Hi Eds
I don't expect any names or positions as I know you've answered this to the death. I just would like to know if you think we will sign anyone this window. And also if there's a player you'd like to see pursued?

Once again, thanks for all the info.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Yes. (b) If it were down to me, Yusuf Yazici as a young AM player to replace Coutinho.}

15 Jan 2018 18:01:46
Just had a little google as I'd never heard of him, sounds like every man and his dog is in for him or at least looking. I'm guessing he's likely to be one of the next batch of top players coming through?

{Ed002's Note - Oh yes.}

15 Jan 2018 18:17:06
Aren't Monaco interested in him as a Lemar replacement ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes but they know there is interest from elsewhere that will make it difficult.}

15 Jan 2018 19:12:31
Are Liverpool interested Ed02? I think going for a younger player with potential could be a good way to go. We just need that different style of player similar to coutinho for the games where team will just sit back.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

15 Jan 2018 19:21:47
Incoming posts over the next weeks asking if we have any interest Yucuf Yazici, a player they’ve been watching and keeping tabs on for ages. Looks like the next big thing. Haha

His highlight reel is impressive.

15 Jan 2018 19:52:57
Ed 02 you interested in a place on the transfer committee I'm sure with you aserbic wit and overseas knowledge you could sort it out and turn us into a more compliant club.

15 Jan 2018 21:48:49
He looks like the mutts nuts. Not comparing the two but he seems to strike the ball like Pirlo. Hits even the short passes with the instep of his laces, if you know what I mean.

15 Jan 2018
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Look at comments below Lovren's Instagram image

15 Jan 2018 17:55:19
Couldn't it mean Juventus are giving him a 20 million euros signing on fee or something? Hehe!

15 Jan 2018 18:06:49
If you look at the comments, before he says "Kerching", Sturridge also says.
"Fine"
wondered whether it might be a fine for posting a dressing room picture to insta.

15 Jan 2018 18:07:22
Could be. But it could also be the players getting fined for posting dressing room selfies which are apparently banned.

15 Jan 2018 18:39:36
It is because when player's posts images of themselves wearing sponsored merchandise they get a little bonus, all the contractual stuff that I know ed002 loves so much.

Peace.

DDay1892.

15 Jan 2018 17:37:35
Rewatching the match, Lovren had a good game until he inexplicably ducked/ missed a header that allowed Gundogan to make it 4-3.

Nevertheless, he put in a solid shift as captain. One of the Eds (Ed 1 if I'm not mistaken) has mentioned how he thrives under responsibility. Hope he does well and pushes through the personal problems he faces in life.

On a side note, it was hilarious and awkward to see him hold up Firmino's shirt to the crowd when they were celebrating the 2nd goal. I guess he was trying to show some solidarity and support for his frontman but it looked so comical..

15 Jan 2018 17:48:22
He was responsible for the 3rd Man City goal.

15 Jan 2018 18:29:08
Does it really matter when Lovren lead us to a win against the team who had not lost one match this season in the League?

3 points, job done. Stop complaining.

15 Jan 2018 18:29:57
That is exactly what he said.

15 Jan 2018 17:10:40
What a match yesterday and we did not have to beat City by them receiving a red card :-)

We are seeing a team full of believe emerging under Klopp. What is it now, 19 games unbeaten in all competitions?

The way we ripped City a new one in the second half was glorious to watch. They came back fighting but in the end we did enough. Sterling started having a hissy fit too. If he stayed aon any longer he would have gotten his marching orders.

I truly believe Klopp has created a squad where there is no me me me. If you want to start matches then you have to earn it. I think we have seen that with Mane even with the departure of Coutinho giving him some breathing space.

And what a player Firmino is becoming. I really hope the club have convinced him that his home is at Anfield for many years to come. He is a footballing genius.

And a big shout out to the Ox, he is showing that he is worthy of pulling on the shirt and he is staying fit ;-)

All round our squad is becoming a mean footballing machine.

Onwards!

15 Jan 2018 16:40:47
Was wondering if anyone knew what firminho’s goal celebration was about, they way he cupped his ear as if to say let’s hear what you say now? I found it a little curious. I have to say, what a sublime finish it was, was agony waiting for it to cross the line but every inch of that finish was perfection.

15 Jan 2018 16:54:54
probably just wants anfield to roar a bit louder.

15 Jan 2018 17:19:08
Hopefully it was, your best player didn’t leave because me and Salah are still here. Or maybe it was a middle finger to the haters that thought we’ll struggle to make top 4 without coutinho. Either way, it was sass and we loved it.

15 Jan 2018 17:29:15
Didn't bobbys mum ever tell him not to throw stones. .

{Ed025's Note - nice one roller..

15 Jan 2018 17:31:48
Or maybe it was just a goal celebration in the heat of the moment? Jesus, why do we always feel the need to see a hidden message in everything? It’s hardly a uncommon celebration now is it.

15 Jan 2018 18:15:05
He wasn’t exactly smiling from ear to ear 87red, I’d encourage you to watch it again if you think it was just a normal goal celebration. I’m sorry the question so exasperated you.

15 Jan 2018 16:15:29
Hi, first things first, absolutley buzzing after yesterdays result! though was abit of a nervy finish, never feels safe even with a 2 goal cushion, but hopefully VVD will help keep the calm and eradicate that.

Anyway this isn't directly lfc related, but when do you think the crazy transfers will stop? I was speaking to a guy yesterday who claimed in the chinese league, when teams splashed the big cash, they had to pay the same fee as the transfer to the FA who put the money in to grass roots football.

I think that would be a fantastic idea for this country, its a win win situation, if the big fee is paid, then the grass roots benefit, and if all clubs stop these big fees then the prices will stop rising for the fans. i think something needs to be done bebause it is just getting ridiculous.

I also think it would be a good idea to have transfer caps, i. e a 16-24 year old striker can go for a max. £30 mil. a 25-32 can go for a max. £50 mil. 33+ £20 mil. blah blah blah. what does anyone else think, and is anything like this being considered?

Also, VAR - what a load of bull! football should be the same at all levels, rather than waste money with that, put that money into grass roots, maybe we might have a decent national team in 10 years. Decisions should be left open to banter / opinion (which makes it all so good) .

15 Jan 2018 16:58:57
imagine getting 50 million for Salah, i think i would lose the will to live, sorry but that's a horrible suggestion that takes away any power the clubs still have over their own players!

15 Jan 2018 15:56:21
I don't know about any other let's say more mature OFF supported on here, but Firmino really reminds me of Ian St John - a Real Battler who got into the opposition, could hold his own physically against anyone and score great goals.

What a player Bobby is and let's hope we can hold on to this Brazilian.

15 Jan 2018 16:13:37
I would be devastated if Firmino left us. Our most important player imo. The more you watch us the more you notice how much he does that goes unnoticed to the occasional spectator. It will be a crime if he doesn't make the Brazil squad this summer.

15 Jan 2018 16:14:53
He is now the 5th top scorer in the Premier League (10) behind just Kane (20), Salah (18), Sterling (14) and Aguero (13).

Firmino is also the 2nd top scorer in the Champions league (7), and only to Ronaldo (9).

17 goals isn't half bad for a player who isn't a natural goal scorer. He also as 4 assists in the CL and 5 in the PL. A total involvement of 26 goals this season. We're only half way through January!

Firmino got 10 goals in his first 22 games this season, which is a decent enough record in it's own right at nearly a goal every other game. However the scary thing is he has 7 goals in his last 9 games! If he carries on improving and we have a decent CL run, he has every chance of top scoring in Europe this year!

15 Jan 2018 16:41:56
agreed mate! he's our best player and arguably the leagues best too!

15 Jan 2018 17:34:33
He is the our kante just upfront.

15 Jan 2018 18:24:35
Was still buzzing about his performance today and was thinking about his pressing from the front.

I realised he's like that one lioness that pushes the prey into the midfield pride, i really think the guy is inventing a new role in football.

Barça f##ked up, they tried to buy our best Brazilian and got the wrong one.

15 Jan 2018 18:41:23
I was going to say he rarely gets inj and then thought better of it, tempting faith and all.

15 Jan 2018 15:37:20
H alli eds and everyone who makes this such as great site.

Just registered and wanted to say a massive thanks to all those that make this the beat place to go for anything LFC related.

Keep up the good work.

Player I would love to replace coutinho is forsberg and or timo Werner (and therefore moving firmino as number 10).

I watched leipzig on the weekend just to see certain players and have to. admit, the young players red bull leipzig have look brilliant and they appear to. have a great scouting setup.

With these stupid fees surely our top priority should be to become the best scouting network out there or competing with the best.

Any thoughts will be appreciated as always.

15 Jan 2018 16:05:37
Neither of those players played on Saturday did they?

15 Jan 2018 16:17:55
Werner came on late and scored if I’m not mistaken.

15 Jan 2018 17:35:43
Werner came on and bullied schalke.

15 Jan 2018 13:55:04
Robertson is the man, but for some reason, it seems the team and coach are yet to warm up to him. I noticed from Klopp's hugs and their lack of response when he celebrates with the team.

15 Jan 2018 14:01:12
That’s so sweet.

15 Jan 2018 14:10:54
Based on the shore hardness of a polyester football shirt, and the distance it compressed during Klopp's hug, i have managed to calculate that when compared to the hugs Klopp gave the rest of the team, the hug Klopp gave Robbo was nearly 500 Pascals less, in pressure.

Now if i take you back to the hug Klopp gave Moreno when he cost us the Europa league, the compression of the material was significantly less however the kit that year was a much softer Polyester. So we can deduce that the hug Klopp gave Robertson was actually a weaker embrace than even Moreno got for costing us silverware. It is therefore apparent, that Robertson will be replaced in the summer.

15 Jan 2018 14:32:35
Brilliant MK, I do think its time for a new shirt tho, one that will win us the Premiership, we can do it, and we will .

15 Jan 2018 15:54:54
"the compression of the material was significantly less however the kit that year was a much softer Polyester" Got a bit mixed up there MK mate. I propose cotton for the kit material - "they're cooler, they're more comfortable. they're happier - they're going to play better"

15 Jan 2018 13:28:47
Hello all. Did anyone listen to the interview with xavi Alonso on transport yesterday? His talk of Istanbul was brilliant. What a true gent.

15 Jan 2018 14:13:15
Wants to be Liverpool manager one day. I'd look forward to that day.

15 Jan 2018 13:05:37
Afternoon to all,
really happy Karius is back in goal and hopefully he gets a run of games and does enough to show everyone how good he us
Eds my question is, when Simon Mignolet leaves liverpool do you think he will stay in the premier league or move abroad?
I reckon someone like a Southampton might not be a bad fit for him
Have a good day and thanks as always.

{Ed025's Note - im sure someone will want him john but certainly none of the top sides mate..

15 Jan 2018 13:24:56
cheers for the reply mate.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..

15 Jan 2018 14:03:06
So off to Everton then. ;)

15 Jan 2018 15:49:47
Karius must be a better hypnotist than a goalkeeper, as he’s got all these deluded people under his spell, despite not making a save worthy of the name in all games he’s played, flapping at crosses, poor positioning, weak chocolate hands and nearly giving everyone a heart attack when the ball is at his feet.

How long will it take you to realise - he is not going to come good like De Gea.

15 Jan 2018 12:11:21
Hi Eds and Red's still buzzing after yesterday. Anyway Ed001 if it is at all possible could you give a review on Karius only. He seems to be getting a lot of greef and not just in here. Like how do think he did for the goal's? Should he keep his place? I for one think he really need's a run of game's.

{Ed001's Note - he should have done better with the 1st, but that is all. He communicates much better with the defence than Migs and so there is more of an understanding there. He comes out for balls and generally wins them. Overally he would have been good if not for that first goal, which is a real minus point as his first job is to keep the ball out of the net.}

15 Jan 2018 12:54:34
Agree with your assessment Ed001. The only minor criticism I will add is that Karius seems to just stand and watch quite often instead of trying to make a save every time. it’s almost as if he gives up too easily. Two examples from last night were Otamendis header off the bar and their third goal. I also remember him doing something similar in another match recently.
All said though, I still prefer that he is commanding and is much quicker to release the ball.

{Ed001's Note - neither of those he was going to get near, so why bother throwing yourself down and then you are unable to react if it does take a strange bounce back out or anything. A lot of keepers just throw themselves at it to look like they are doing something, rather than because it is the right thing to do. It is a risk as you are then not in a position to react if something happens, such as a rebound off the bar. I would prefer him to just be getting into a position to deal with anything rebounding personally, but I do agree he tends to just watch flatfooted.}

15 Jan 2018 14:43:14
He needs a run of games to fairly judge him and we can probably put yesterday down to nerves.
I mean who wouldn't be nervouse your time to shine is against city with the same back 4 people have been moaning about all season and if you f**k up your back on the bench till mingo has a howler again i would be sh*tting myself if i was in his boots

Think karius in goal and lovren along side vvd should be settled till the summer try and get an understanding and some confidence in there maybe create a good partnership one can only hope.

15 Jan 2018 14:59:12
I think it unfair the criticism that Karius got after the game from the pundits. They are so quick to jump all over him for that one mistake, yet not one pundit mentioned the city keepers mistake which lead to salah' goal. they spent a good few minutes talking about not being beat at the near post etc, but nothing on the bad clearance from the city keeper.

15 Jan 2018 17:30:15
the problem with Karius is that he has only had a handful of starts and has already made 3 or 4 major mistakes leading to goals which is why the fans are on his back, he has showed hardly any promise and always leaves a question mark against his name whenever he comes in.

15 Jan 2018 11:59:40
Hi Eds

Just wondering if you guys knew but what if any impact would the old boot room have had on incoming and outgoing transfers? Were discussions held among the coaching staff and what players to buysold, areas of the team that need improving etc.

{Ed001's Note - the old bootroom was where it all happened mate. They would discuss the game for hours in there, they would also get the opposition manager in for an after match drink and Paisley, in particular, would get all sorts of info out of them without them realising it. Transfers were discussed. Pretty much everything. It was an informal meeting room in essence.}

15 Jan 2018 11:46:27
I don’t expect any additions to the squad until the summer. FSG will think we will havet enough depth in the squad after yesterday’s great performance. Maybe this is Klopps thinking as well. I still think we need to add some more quality.

15 Jan 2018 10:09:56
Eds my comment was meant for the post about MOTM.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate I have deleted it from there and will just post it here for you as I don't have the time to look through and find the right thread sorry:
15 Jan 2018 10:08:16
I think lovren had an immense game, constantly stormed forward and nicked the ball in front of players. Had city not scored those two late goals he would have got it. Looks like VVD signing is having a positive impact on him.

15 Jan 2018 10:28:09
Cheers mate.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

15 Jan 2018 10:36:56
I think Lovren made an error on last goal. looks like he tries to go forward to head the cross away and misses it totally. Just one of those errors he makes a bit to often. But otherwise he played well.

{Ed001's Note - it did end up with him ducking under the ball sadly. Gutted for the lad as he has dealt with so much crap in his personal life he deserves to succeed.}

15 Jan 2018 10:56:57
Could VVD be the perfect partner for him Ed?

{Ed001's Note - he does need someone to talk to him during the game. In fact the whole team has missed that gob at the back keeping them in line in recent years. Van Dijk does provide that, so could well be.}

15 Jan 2018 11:00:54
Very true, I hope Lovren get's a player of the month award, just to show true fans really do support him no matter what, as you say he has been through so much, he deserves our support. He gives it his all, sure he's not a great player we all know that but he is human and has been through a hell of a lot, things that can drive players into mental illness, let's try and help him instead of judge him. He had death threats a couple of months ago due to some shocking mistakes in the game, this is too far and needs to stop yet now having read a post this morning it's started with Karius, disgusting.

15 Jan 2018 11:17:02
There will always be mistakes. With the TV coverage now we can't miss a thing. As fans we really need to try and stop the rot of blaming players so quickly and get behind them. Then we might carry on seeing transformations like we have in Ox and Robertson at least yesterday. I get it when players have been given the chance and they don't take it but the karius thing is disgusting how far fans go.

Lovren did seem to duck out on the third goal but I saw Robertson also had one hand on Gundogan when the cross came in and then lost him. Just think it was a lack of concentration from them all a little bit to be honest. Thought Lovren had a good game apart from that.

15 Jan 2018 11:25:25
Thanks for the reply mate.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}

15 Jan 2018 11:46:13
I don't for a second believe real fans would send death threats to anyone.
This is just mentally ill people who would have done it anyway to somebody else.
Another version of a keyboard warrior.
Sadly it'll only get worse until someone or a few individuals are made an example of for doing it.
Disgusting behaviour!

15 Jan 2018 12:23:59
I agree with you ed about lovren he took an hell of a lot of flak a few months ago but got so much support on this site ok he still makes mistakes but don't all players well done to all of yous out there who give him the support he needed.

15 Jan 2018 12:08:22
. I saw a side to Louvrens game yesterday that I didn't see a lot of before. That anticipation he showed in nipping in and pinching the ball. Previously, he'd wait before reacting. This often resulted in him making late tackles and conceding what looked like clumsy fouls.
I reckon someone is coaching him. And very well too.
Could he do a job as a defensive midfielder?

15 Jan 2018 12:46:48
Easy way to fix the death threats problem - all social media requiring you to register a credit card to use it. Can stay anonymous to the rest of the world if you choose but if you break the law, they know exactly who you are!

15 Jan 2018 09:47:34
So I had the misfortune of seeing some of the comments posted by LFC fans on Karius' twitter handle. Some of those comments were just spiteful and pathetic. Criticize if u want but comments like telling a player to f**k off from the club or kill themselves is just disgusting and inhuman. I sincerely hope it was only a small yet terrible portion of our fanbase doing such stuff. I refuse to believe that sincere and lifelong LFC fans would resort to such shamelessness.

15 Jan 2018 09:57:24
That is absolutely disgusting, no player deserves that, no matter what. No true fan would say such things.

15 Jan 2018 10:03:21
Not nice at all, Karius made 1 error yesterday and was spotlighted because of the situation we have with goalkeepers recently, Ederson made multiple errors yesterday in terms of dropping the ball a few times and that obvious kick to Salah but all off those seem to have gone under the radar?

15 Jan 2018 10:06:01
The question I have is why is there barely any ctistism toward Pederson for his atrocious game or city's defence. And why Liverpool fans have this grand idea that they where never going to conceed against a team that has a 50 goal difference.

Karius was fine and just needs are continued support.

15 Jan 2018 10:10:28
The last thing we need is these disgraceful fans turning the GK position into poisoned chalice. Will Alisson or the next LFC keeper suffer the same fate as Karius and Migs?

15 Jan 2018 10:31:09
These are not fans, these are idiots. These are not real supporters who actually understand the game. It’s a shame but football does seem to attract a number of brain dead people! Other than that Sane goal I didn’t think Karius did any wrong. The commentators purr over Ederson yet his howler goes unmentioned but people are too ready to highlight our goalkeeper. We should stick by Karius not kill his confidence off my trashing him on Twitter.

15 Jan 2018 16:00:37
You don’t need to be a LFC fan to comment on his twitter handle.
All he has to do is block them.

15 Jan 2018 16:33:41
Or come off twitter, its a distraction anyway.

15 Jan 2018 17:29:35
Why players are even on these things baffles me, there full of complete tools who chat rubbish and hide behind a computer or mobile phone, and if they take any of that nonsense to heart or seriously then they need to have a word with themselves. I'd give them it right back me, but ten times as bad.

15 Jan 2018 09:32:32
Hi eds, is there any truth in the rumour that Andy Robertson was still running about, long after the final whistle an had to be coaxed off by the groundsman waving a can of irn bru at quarter to 11 last night?

{Ed001's Note - it was only because it was the original style Irn Bru that they managed to get him. Scots are stockpiling it before the reduced sugar version hits the stores....}

15 Jan 2018 09:42:31
Thank fowler we had some. Else he would ran to Manchester and tried to get a game on the pitch tonight.
Unreal energy levels last night.

15 Jan 2018 10:06:08
With the dross that Utd have at LB, Jose might actually take a punt on our nomad Robertson! But just a one time deal Jose.

15 Jan 2018 10:20:50
Robertson was last seen chasing the man city coach down the m62.

{Ed001's Note - can't be true, the way he played last night he would have caught it and booted it into touch.}

15 Jan 2018 10:43:55
The rest of the team threw Robertson in an ice bath to cool him off after the game. Unfortunately, it hospitalised Raheem Sterling who nearly drowned, because they forgot to take him out of Robertson's pocket beforehand.

15 Jan 2018 09:10:36
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Manchester City - A Liverpool Perspective

15 Jan 2018 09:23:22
Your review of the game is seriously a thing of beauty, seriously almost as good as the game it self, almost. Sad how people like yourself with extreme football knowledge don't get the jobs and money they deserve, every single word you wrote is spot on! Amazing job, thank you man!

{Ed001's Note - it is a totally different job seeing what is wrong to fixing the issues. I am good at analysing things, not sure whether I would be so good at solving what is wrong. Two completely different skillsets.}

15 Jan 2018 09:30:38
Cracking review Ed01. Totally agree re Firmino, i am so glad he is undervalued as it means nobody will try and take him from us. i hope!

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed mate!}

15 Jan 2018 09:34:07
Absolutely brilliant read and I couldn't agree more with what you have wrote Editor #1. So I'm reading through it and then at the same time remembering each and every goal we scored, which was absolutely incredible all 4 of them.

I am so happy today not just because we beat Man City, but because we showed what we really are capable of beating anybody with a performance like that, it just shows how far we have come and that's without VVD and Keita who is joining soon.

There was a few mistakes yesterday, from a few players but overall the team played excellent. We are looking like a real unit, a threat, every team should/ will be afraid to face us now. What I love about this result is we showed the league it isn't impossible to beat them, other teams will want to try harder now and I truly believe that.

Alot of teams this season who have faced Man city seem to of been scared of them, scared to attack them, we did it and we beat them! It could've been by a higher margin, it should've been! we could've easily got 5-6 goals yesterday, been 4-1 up we kind of turned off a little and against a team like that we need to learn not to. As you have correctly stated Editor #1 putting Milner on was a mistake, I'm sure Klopp see's this now. I like Milner (as a person) but in all honesty I don't want to see him on the pitch again, he makes my heart skip a beat.

Overall I am absolutely delighted with the whole team and the management of it. We are really moving forward, we had a difficult start to the season really yet we have come back as a force and just done that! fair play to them all, I am excited about the future.

A big thank you for this review Editor #1.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much Spooked.}

15 Jan 2018 09:37:13
True Ed, but trying to solve a problem when you know what the problem is but not what the solution would be is FAR easier than trying to solve a problem when you have lots of potential problems but no idea what exactly needs fixing.

{Ed001's Note - good point, but that is why you usually have a team that involves analysts to pinpoint the problems and others to then go away and come up with solutions.}

15 Jan 2018 09:39:48
You're very humble ed001, thank you very much for a great spot on review.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think I have ever been called that before!}

15 Jan 2018 09:46:42
Great review ed.
Got a little smile when reading about Robertson.
Call me a romantic, but I have a soft spot for a "working your way up from nothing" story like his.
Buzzing still 😁.

{Ed001's Note - nothing wrong with being a romantic, it is a great story, so long as he doesn't sit back and light up a cigar thinking he has made it. So far he has not shown even a sign of doing that.}

15 Jan 2018 09:48:48
thats the only word i could think of because that review was like the best 'scout' or 'performance analyst' match report who help managers set up for games and work on weak points and mistakes after matches i've seen on a site for the public before, these pundits know nothing compared to you. And you wouldn't accept your greatness so you must be humble, forgive me, my english is literally my 3rd language so i hope there is no misunderstanding because i was just trying to complement your work.

{Ed001's Note - I was very much happy for you to call me that, don't worry. It is just not something I usually get called. Normally quite the opposite if anything, so it was very nice and I am flattered you think the review was that good.}

15 Jan 2018 09:50:24
The club and the fans should stop gushing Firmino lest Barcelona or Real start flirting with him. let's just hide our Brazilian away from those Spanish leaches. The lesser attention Bobby gets, the better for LFC.

15 Jan 2018 09:59:20
Very well said Legendary sir.

15 Jan 2018 10:00:25
Ed1 let me just restore balance to the world, your so up your a** Mario Balotelli asked for lessons on developing an ego. Too far? Hahah great review anyway.

{Ed001's Note - now that is more like I am used to! Cheers mate, things feel more like normal now. Though I am still trying to get me head round the ref in the Nantes-PSG game. I honestly thought I must have dreamt it when I woke up this morning, but no, he really did fall over a player, take a kick at him and then send him off!}

15 Jan 2018 10:08:48
Ahh that spelling mistake irks me haha, and oh my gosh that referee was something else! To take a swipe and then be like here's a red card too? Devastating one-two combo.

{Ed001's Note - surely he has to have ended his own career with that card?}

15 Jan 2018 10:16:24
It did look like the player gave him a very very slight push ed? Hilarious though, its like a 4 year old would react! My ball my rules!

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure if he did push him, it was a bit of nothing. What a reaction though!}

15 Jan 2018 10:17:54
Agreed it was really petty, think the red card should get rescinded too, and when you think about it that wasn't even the worst coming together between a ref and a player, remember when Kolo Toure clotheslined that ref when he was playing for us? I imagine that's how my exam will go later with me being the ref and the paper being Kolo lol!

{Ed001's Note - are you going to do a Paul Alcock?}

15 Jan 2018 10:22:21
Great review Ed01 as always, completely agree on everything you said especially robbo, great to see what a run of games does for confidence, let’s hope karius gets the same game time because you never know he may well surprise a few people. Bobby firmino wow what a talent we have here, just a question ed, with joe making a few similar mistakes recently do you think it would be good to take him away from the limelight or allow him to learn from them so his confidence won’t be dented? I love joe so I’m not having a go just wanted to know your view as I think very highly of your opinion!

{Ed001's Note - young players need to play through errors. Let them know the manager has confidence in them. You take them out when they get too full of themselves and stop trying. For me we stick with him and work him through the mistakes. We know he is good enough, so he needs support and to not fear making errors.

Exactly the opposite way to the way fans are treating our keeper!}

15 Jan 2018 08:49:07
Anyone know who that guy was who chipped Edersen for our second goal, I reckon he could give Firmino some tips on how to be a striker and finish chances and whatever baloney you have against Firmino.

15 Jan 2018 08:40:31
Excellent performance from everyone yesterday however we've all spoke about wether Can is going to give 100% effort and though he was outstanding and never seen him stop running all game,

Credit where credit is due I thought he was superb and I genuinely hope we can convince him to stay.

15 Jan 2018 09:55:28
I hope we give him a better contract than the one Juventus are offering him but it might be a bit too late now sadly.

15 Jan 2018 07:33:39
I am fairly new on here but I have just started to read the posts Re the game yesterday. Is this site trolled? Are the people who make some of these comments real fans? OMG I am fairly sure that we beat a Team that have looked as close to complete than I have seen in many a year. 3 hugely valuable points and I could not for 1 second question the effort by every player that wore Red. Yet I find myself reading posts by so called fans whining about certain individuals? You moaners should all be ashamed of yourselves I for one have arrived in work this morning feeling hugely proud. Well done Liverpool and thank you. YNWA.

15 Jan 2018 07:50:37
here here!

15 Jan 2018 08:16:31
It's so up down, one week it's Robertson is awful when is Moreno back the next he's cemented his spot, Moreno out!

15 Jan 2018 08:50:36
Lets be honest though Firmane, yesterday was Robertson's best game in a Liverpool shirt and i can't remember a game where Moreno has ever defended that well, i think Robertson has shown he has a lot of potential and i'm hopeful and sort of confident klopp will get it out of him.

15 Jan 2018 08:55:44
Thought lallana was quiet never heard him mentioned till last 5 mins!

15 Jan 2018 09:46:20
There are a few trolls alright.

15 Jan 2018 06:25:19
Only at Anfield would the responsibility to "mark" a player (Sterling) be given to the crowd. God bless you Kop. Go the reds - bring it home.

15 Jan 2018 07:32:22
Love that, Del. They were awesome. Pep had better start resting Sterling vs LFC going forward cos they are literally playing w/ 10 men whenever he plays at Anfield.

15 Jan 2018 06:24:52
Some interesting stats on the season so far.

Goals in the PL, CL and assists

Jesus 8 + 2 = 10 goals total + 2 assists
Aguero 13 + 3 = 16 total + 5 assists
Firmino 10 + 6 = 16 total + 8 assists
Lukaku 10 + 4 = 14 total + 4 assists
Morata 10 + 1 = 11 total + 4 assists
Kane 20 + 6 = 26 total + 3 assists
Lacazette 8 in PL + 3 assists

I think hopefully the comments on here about Firmino not being a proper striker and needing a true no.9 are slowly being put to bed! Hi goal last night was pure class.

15 Jan 2018 06:29:18
He actually has 7 CL goals, because he scored in qualifying against Hoffenheim!

15 Jan 2018 07:07:38
No-one doubts his quality, I think some, including myself, doubt his natural goal scoring ability. Having a good season this year though and brings the other into play so well I think any concerns have been dropped, again including by myself.

15 Jan 2018 07:21:02
Morata is having a poor season.

{Ed001's Note - that's unfair, he was playing really well initially, he is having a dip in form now though. To be fair to the lad, he has never played anything like as many minutes in so short a time before in his career. Like most players suddenly given a long run of games he is struggling. Oh and he is still scoring goals with his head, it is just his feet that seem to have forgotten what to do.}

15 Jan 2018 07:27:24
Firmino is still not a striker. Everything he did yesterday was that of one of the world's best number 10s. If he moved there permanent behind a striker he will make Barcelona shoot themselves for taking the wrong Brazilian.

Hes one of the best players in the world but still and alright striker.

Maybe why the club are pushing for that French international.

{Ed001's Note - you mean like when he ran onto a throughball and outmuscled Stones before a delightful goal was that of a number 10? Number 10s play the throughballs, not run onto them!}

15 Jan 2018 07:37:20
I am sick and tired of having to defend The Bobbie dazzler on these boards. Truly sick. Winston and Westwood, let it go. Firmino is not a natural goalscorer. So what? Who gives two F's? The guy is doing all the things that natural forwards can't and won't do at the same time, he's scoring goals and assisting as well. Morata, Kane, Lukaku would be useless in our system and that much is clear. He is as strong as an ox, selfless, a team player and has the energy to occupy a whole back line by himself. He is on pace for 35 goals in all comps this season. Also, did I mention how he tracked back and tackled Aguero at the edge of his own box? Look, you are free to question whatever you like. The rest of us ill just sit back and watch The Bobbie Dazzler continue to dazzle us.

15 Jan 2018 07:45:45
That goal was pure beauty seemed to take an eternity to hit the net mind but absolute quality.

15 Jan 2018 07:46:52
Most significant thing though is not on your list - Salah’s totals. Firmino has already equalled his best scoring performance for the club and we’re in January. Salah has outscored him and maybe that has taken some pressure off, both off RF to be main goal scorer and removes some attention on the pitch to give him space. Hopefully Coutinho leaving won’t put pressure back to add more goals.

15 Jan 2018 08:11:16
His position is just his position. Who cares what you want to call him but he’s a great attacking player and happy to have him.
Don’t get hung up on positions too much.

15 Jan 2018 08:56:17
What is a natural goalscorer? Firmino scores plenty of goals, has a perfectly acceptable shots per goal ratio, and I'm pretty sure he's natural not artificial. Is there some criteria that I'm missing here?

15 Jan 2018 09:00:11
Firmino? Hell of a player and Klopp has him playing in the correct position for "system and style" that Liverpool play. All this "not a real number 9 of forward" needs to be put to bed.

15 Jan 2018 10:10:30
Ed are you sure you want to stick with that?

He wouldn't of scored that if he was a number ten? Is that a joke.

You had the luck like the rest of us in watching Gerrard destroy teams from that very 10 position with goals exactly the same as firmino yesterday.

Firmino is one of the best players in the world for me. The pressing is a joke. The skill is delightful and the goals are a nice plus.

In more tight defending games there is problems when he is chasing the ball back to win it (which is brilliant) except that when he finally wins it the pass to the striker isn't on because he is the striker in the wrong part of the field.

Firmino always kicks ass in games like that. Always. It's a dead cert.

It's the tighter games where he could do with being behind someone to be able to do what he loves and let some other muppet take the job up top.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard didn't score goals like that, he burst through on the edge of the box backing up play, not ahead of it. I really don't know what you saw but you clearly need to refresh your memory of Gerrard's play.}

15 Jan 2018 14:02:54
Brover, I thought I you need to re-read my post. As you say I’m free to question what I want, so I will, but in the same vein Iv made it quite clear in that post that iv been proven wrong by what he brings to the team via him playing up top. I’m simply pointing why some would have an ongoing issue.

15 Jan 2018 05:36:08
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Monday 15th January 2018

14 Jan 2018 21:18:47
What did you make of robertson tonight ed001?

{Ed001's Note - had a good game, but then his main problem has been his decision making in attack for us and he never had to do any of that last night. He is obviously not used to playing for a team dominating possession and attacking constantly, this was him in his comfort zone able to play the game he is used to. In time he will, hopefully anyway, get the hang of when and where to cross in attack.}

15 Jan 2018 04:33:58
Ed please do the match report🙏🙏🙏🙏.

{Ed001's Note - I will do as soon as I have done the match preview for tonight's Prem game.}

15 Jan 2018 05:03:15
I thought he had a cracker, I agree his attacking abilities could be better but frankly I’d rather we had the defence nailed down first as if we’re going to go up against the best we need a solid defence more than we need goals.

His first game for Liverpool he showed he can cross the ball with whip and pace so hopefully that piece will fall into place too.

{Ed001's Note - to be honest, I would rather our fullback played as he did tonight. For me that is how a fullback should play. None of this charging up the pitch as soon as we get the ball malarkey. They should be defenders first and foremost, leave the attacking to the attackers and support them, rather than being the focal point.

The only time you should ever look to fullbacks to be key attackers is when you play against ten men and need the width to stretch the play or a Sam Allardyce defensive line playing so deep it is like they have 5 keepers and 5 defenders.}

15 Jan 2018 05:42:51
Agree 100%.

15 Jan 2018 05:49:59
So basically we play Moreno and TAA against the bus parkers like Everton, Man Utd, West Brom etc and use Robertson and Gomez against the teams that actually have a go at us. So many rotational options even at full back for Klopp to use, and we did not even break the bank for them!

15 Jan 2018 05:52:35
Him pressing the City goal keeper and defenders though. One of the best moments of the match.

I would have him ahead of Moreno everytime. With klopp at the helm he could learn the attacking side of things too.

15 Jan 2018 07:39:56
Pak, I was telling myself at that time that, "Oh, Robbo is on the loose. Someone pls, rope him in. He's off the deep end". Lol. Seriously like you, that was the part of the game that made my most proud.

15 Jan 2018 08:26:31
Ed1 on the money again. Robbo defending first attacking second propsr full back play. Well done lad.

15 Jan 2018 01:19:08
Holding midfielder wouldn't go amiss either.

15 Jan 2018 07:41:19
Klopp does not play with a traditional one and prolly won't play with a traditional one. He wants a double pivot that can interchange attacking and defensive duties just like Kante and Baka do at Chelsea.

15 Jan 2018 00:20:39
What a shame we couldn't find room for suso when we had him. Milan now say they would refuse 80 mil for him. the one that got away hey.

15 Jan 2018 00:49:26
Didn’t he have a release clause of something like £45mil? I think if read that somewhere.

15 Jan 2018 00:58:03
Suited to that league 🤝.

15 Jan 2018 01:37:59
With Ron on this, success isn't a given across every league because it happens in one league. Good luck to him but maybe it wasnt to be here and we should leave it at that.

15 Jan 2018 02:02:55
Suso would not suit Klopp's system. He would not displace Mane or Salah from the front 3 due to lack of pace and workrate. And our midfield would look imbalanced if Suso played in midfield like it did with Coutinho. I short, signing Suso makes no sense.