Liverpool Banter Archive February 15 2018

15 Feb 2018 20:22:23
ed025 don't you think its a shame you got him at all, all that money you'll pay him and the rest of his gang of at end of season, to get a decent manager as your new owner will be looking as he has the money finally to back Everton. But still keep you below us LOL. He is as bad as Joe Royle and are Mr Hogson.

{Ed025's Note - more a disaster than a shame 69, but to be fair to joe he stepped in and done a decent job imo mate..

15 Feb 2018 22:10:08
One of your fellow toffees posted a really good article about big Sam the other day and how is happy to take the credit if you win but if you lose nothing to do with him it’s either the players or past regimes fault . I hope for your sakes you bin him off in the summer and go back for Silva maybe or another up and coming manager looking to build on the decent youth set up you clearly have.

{Ed025's Note - i hope so too squizza..

15 Feb 2018 23:16:02
Purely looking at the football is he doing a bad job? Results have improved under him.

16 Feb 2018 02:42:17
That’s the problem with Sam - he’s made a living out of coming in, setting discipline to a disgruntled squad and saving sides from going down as a result. He’s not good enough for the long term though, Everton deserves better.

{Ed0333's Note - no they don’t lol.

15 Feb 2018 19:53:33
Showing my age a bit here boys but thought of a light hearted song for the kop driving over the the Manchester office this minding. regarding our front 3.To the song, Sugar sugar by the Archies. Most will need to google it 😜

🎶Oh Salah De de de de de
O oooh Mané Mané De De De De De
Bobby Firniniooooooo

Our fab front three, were're running the show.

Oh Salah De De De De
O oooh Mané Mané De De De De
Our fab front three, we're running the show 🎶

Not sure I'll be standing up and trying to get this song going at the next home game. I'll probably have my season ticket ticket off me 😂.

{Ed025's Note - that has already been done drogie, it was on soccer am and all over the net mate...your later than a VVD tackle im afraid..

15 Feb 2018 20:20:42
Ed25.You’ve just ruined my evening.

Was driving on the M62 this morning, the song came on and the words just flowed 😂😂😂😂

Don’t wet him soccer am, too busy playing trains with my 4 year old lad!

{Ed025's Note - sorry drogie but i had to tell you mate, and please dont make any songs up to the tune of...."the fields of anthenry, thats been done as well.. :)

15 Feb 2018 20:32:48
ED I think you have a typo, michael keane came out as VVD

Drogie, you are definitely not corks biggest liverpool fan!

15 Feb 2018 20:50:32
The thing is, we sing the “Mane Mane” bit in the kop, is just not heard the rest re Salah and bobby.

Ah well.

15 Feb 2018 23:44:52
Let it go lad 🙈.

15 Feb 2018 19:36:14
If you get a chance I implore you to watch the Chris Kirkland Premier League story on SKY - a brilliant insight into him and more importantly male mental health.

BOILED ONIONS.

15 Feb 2018 22:55:27
Will do mate thanks for that.

16 Feb 2018 03:17:34
Not saying he didn't have issues but he seemed to blame every downturn in form on foreign goalkeeper coaches and or the manager.

On his day he was a formidable keeper, just didn't have enough of those days.

16 Feb 2018 07:22:44
I never saw the hype with Kirkland imo. We spent a fortune on him too. Injuries clearly didn’t help him but I’m not sure he was anywhere near good enough as the fee we paid for him.

16 Feb 2018 10:43:26
Watched this last night with my old man, I love seeing things like this, gives you such a big insight. Hope they make more of them.

15 Feb 2018 16:39:59
{Ed025's Note - we are absolute pants p1.but still miles ahead of porto mate.

Really? I would love to see Everton beating Porto 5-0 away.

Hold on, what have Everton won in Europe? All fair and well you want to discredit Porto like that but to suggest yous are miles ahead of them?

{Ed025's Note - lets be honest max we cant be any worse, no discredit to liverpool but our U10,s would have given them a game last night mate..

15 Feb 2018 17:44:34
I look forward to seeing how Everton get on in the Europa League tonight. Oh wait.

{Ed025's Note - we are deservedly out smeg, and like porto made a holy show of ourselves..

15 Feb 2018 17:51:45
Has fat Sam ever managed a team in Europe mate?

Porto are not the fly by night team you are making them out to be. I guess Everton will do just as well in the Primeira Liga?

{Ed025's Note - he has actually max, i would not call porto fly by nights though mate...they are a lot worse than that..

15 Feb 2018 17:54:55
if they did an under 10s champion's league, maybe just maybe Everton would be in it. And that's about the only chance they will ever have of been in it.

15 Feb 2018 17:57:30
Spoken like a true Evertonian mate think you need to look at just how good Porto have been up to last night in champions league, they beat Monaco twice and Red bull of Germany as well
They were not good last night but maybe that is because we made them look that way lol.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point john..

15 Feb 2018 17:58:06
Ed025, not being funny but you most certainly aren’t “miles ahead” of Porto. I am fairly certain you wouldn’t have made it to the knockout rounds of Europe’s elite competition if by some miracle you found yourself there in the first place. Talk about having tinted glasses haha.

It’s funny that 90% of people were wax lyrical about how amazing city were after they beat a team worse than Porto 4-0 the night before but it’s all talk about how poor the opposition were for us.

{Ed025's Note - liverpool played well cotsi as i have said, but you have to admit porto did bend over mate..

15 Feb 2018 18:15:10
Yeah looking back at our goals Porto were all over the place. Still 5-0 at their place when over 20 games unbeaten is impressive. Don’t care who it is.

Good to see you back around by the way ed025.

{Ed025's Note - someone has to keep your feet on the ground TJ...cheers..

15 Feb 2018 18:18:23
Ed025, the way LFC played last might have seen many other teams bend over. That is how devastatingly good we were.

Does not make Porto a rubbish team or even worse than Everton have been this season.

{Ed025's Note - i would like to see the reds go on and win it max, but porto were abysmal mate..

15 Feb 2018 19:25:00
Good to see you up and running again eds25.

{Ed025's Note - cheers ace..

15 Feb 2018 19:50:26
Glad to have you back ed 25 none of the other eds are as deluded as you.

{Ed025's Note - i have been called deluded in the past p1, but as corporal jones once said..."some just dont like it up em" mate...im more the latter..

15 Feb 2018 19:12:23
Porto qualified for the knock out stages of the ucl! How useless can they be? The fact is they went one down and had go chase the game, especially in front of their own fans at the ground they never lose at. Each time we scored it got easier as they had to try attacking even more. They weren't as awful as we were brilliant.

15 Feb 2018 20:36:41
Fishing is good tonight eh ed25.

{Ed025's Note - i dont fish p1....most of them just jump on the hook mate.. :)

15 Feb 2018 21:04:01
Suppose it's more like trawling anyway.

16 Feb 2018 04:24:56
lol, everton better than porto? heard it all now. everton couldn't beat Apollon at home, got smashed by both Atalanta and Lyon home and away. Porto are a better team than all of them ( including Everton) . short memory of your 8-1 aggregate drubbing by Atalanta?

15 Feb 2018 15:43:25
I saw a post a while ago again about someone mentioning a 30 goal a season striker.

So who should take a place on the bench out of Mane, Salah and Firmino. You will struggle to find a more potent front three.

City rely on Aguero, Spurs rely on Kane, UTD rely on cough cough Lukaku. Arsenal, well we know how it is going with them spending massive amounts on strikers.

All I can say is welcome to Liverpool under Klopp where we play with 3 forwards. That way we do not have to depend on one player up top getting most of the goals.

15 Feb 2018 16:12:56
Some sides do rely heavily on that sort of player, a pure finisher that hits home the chances the rest of the team creates. We don’t play that way at all thank goodness.

15 Feb 2018 16:47:59
Firmino is the key driving force in a large portion of our counter attacks. IMO he is irreplaceable and I hope you agree underrated.

15 Feb 2018 16:49:18
Max, it's harsh to say that City rely on Aguero to get the goals. They also have Sane, Sterling, de Bruyne, Jesus etc who are all in double figures for the season.

15 Feb 2018 16:55:37
Best thing about Firmino is you can see he is enjoying playing for LFC.

The other good things is that we do not seem to be missing Coutinho.

15 Feb 2018 17:10:12
sibsama,

Take Aguero out of the City team at this point and who is going to play up top for them? Jesus is injured. Without Aguero, who does Guardiola play up top? Yes, they do depend on Aguero. Aguero has been injury prone over the seasons too.

That is the point. If one of Salah, Mane or Firmino had to sit out then Klopp just throws someone else in like Ox, Solanke or Ings to fill the gap. Klopp is not depending on Firmino to play as an out and out striker like Aguero, Kane, Lukaku or Morata etc.

Clearly Firmino makes our attack tick but should he not be able to play, throw on Solanke to hold up the ball and we still have Mane and Salah to rip opposition defences to shreds.

15 Feb 2018 17:17:08
Yes we do need a 20 or 30 goal forward. And we have 2 of them this season in Firmino and Salah. If they hadn't have scored those goals then we wouldn't be where we are.

15 Feb 2018 18:34:10
I reckon Firmino will break 20 league goals and Salah will get more than 30 league goals. In the words of Teenage Fanclub, ain’t that enough?

15 Feb 2018 15:29:06
What a win last night. It feels good to have a manager who is adept in Europe. Going to Porto and winning 5-0 as well as pretty much booking your place in the 1/ 4"s.

Cannot say I have seen a better counter attacking team of late than LFC. Simply mouthwatering football to watch.

We are unbeaten in the CL too.

Let's go all the way!

15 Feb 2018 15:41:43
Assuming we get through, the big tests lie in playing the continental giants, teams like real, Barcelona and bayern, that our boys have never played against before.

15 Feb 2018 16:04:30
I am not assuming anything and do not have to. I want us to get all the way to the final.

One of my mates at work is a Real fan and he was not expecting them to beat PSG.

Why the need for negativity after a massive win against Porto away? It is not like they are pushovers.

15 Feb 2018 16:10:31
Well, we played bayern in Pre season, at their ground and smashed them 3 0. Only Pre season but bayern were trying. So I'm not afraid of any of them. Despite results I firmly believe we are the better team to spurs and they done a job on real.

It is the pragmatic teams I worry about, juventus or porto. Teams who try to out play us will get a rude awakening.

15 Feb 2018 13:50:31
So based on current form and performances what would our front 3 lads in firmino, salah and mane be worth.
Are we talking £250 million? Maybe more?

15 Feb 2018 14:05:21
each? yeah lol.

15 Feb 2018 14:08:36
More I’d say. Salah has to be up there in the 150 plus bracket based on this season and his long contract, Mane probably half that based on his obvious quality but little dips in form and his pace seems to be dwindling. Bobby is by far the best player IMO but would probably be about 100m as well because he isn’t the quickest.

15 Feb 2018 14:24:56
Difficult to guage as it slightly depends on the buyers but Firmino and Mane £80+ and Salah £120+.

15 Feb 2018 15:05:03
Manè not a bit young to be losing his pace no?

15 Feb 2018 15:15:26
Priceless.

15 Feb 2018 15:45:55
I think people meed to calm down with fees. We are not owned by a country and we are not triggering any buy out clauses. That was the only reason for 200mil Neymar deal and hence why we charged Barcelona so much. We are the club who has lost out.

Realistically I'd say 80mil for each of them.

15 Feb 2018 15:54:11
All three are worth whatever the buying clubs will be willing to pay.

Needless to say, they will not be for sale.

15 Feb 2018 16:11:32
Don’t care - it’s irrelevant, they’re ours.

15 Feb 2018 16:22:43
I think Mane is done yes he scored goals last night but injuries have robbed him of a bit of pace and confidence.
I hope I am wrong but I don't think we will see the player play as well as last season.
I wouldn't mind him being sold and get a similar player before Mane injurys.

15 Feb 2018 16:11:31
That's right max.

16 Feb 2018 00:08:50
Not saying pace is gone due to age Big Emre, but he certainly isn’t blazing past people like he was prior to his injury. He’s certainly not slow, but he was as quick as, if not quicker than Salah and that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. Maybe it’s just a confidence thing and ge’ll Be back on it after his hat trick but even if he is slowing down luckily he has more to his game than pace.

16 Feb 2018 05:52:00
good idea negative let's sell mane cos you think he's done and he's only 1 goal off what he scored last year. Ridiculous comment, and we moan about player loyalty.

16 Feb 2018 10:52:22
Swish cleaner Mane is one of my favourite players for lfc yes he's been doing OK but just think how good he was B4 the injury.
Its unfortunate but the player is in decline now. Its a shame coz I really like the player.

16 Feb 2018 17:08:48
Negative, inconsistent season due to injury and loss of form, he’s been here 18 months and improving again. You don’t get rid and hope the next player might be better!? Clearly no one shares your thought pattern!

15 Feb 2018 11:54:22
So, i would like to start off by saying i really rate Firmino and think he is one of the best and unique strikers in world football. But i have a huge issue with people specially on this site undervaluing Salah
because of Firmino. And that Salah is replecable compared to Firmino which is quite frankly just plain stupid, a joke if you will. i'am sorry but what RW's are around that we could
sign who could score even half the goals he does? You understand he is not an out and out striker right?

Do you guys actually watch any thing other than the ball and who has it at his feet? Because you will clearly see that Salah is marked by up to 3 players every single game, creating more space and chances for the likes of Firmino and Mane.

Just watch Firmino's goal yesterday, and see how both the defenders are more worried about Salah and leave acres of space for Firmino to score, or Mane's 5th where basically no one of the 2 defenders in the middle come out to press Mane before he shoots because both are drawn to the right to cover up the passing lane to Salah again giving Mane about 5 minutes to pick his spot. I can assure you that Salah will be irreplacable just as much as Firmino would be and even more so because there are not many players in world football who have that kind of quality to go with that kind of pace and acceleration, its no coincidence Firmino is having his best season playing with Salah taking up 2-3 defenders concentrating mainly on him.

And not to take away anything from Firmino and his impressive numbers but out of his 21 goals, most of them are tap ins or first time finishes due to the chances being clear cut chances, compared to over 16 goals to Salah that came from individual skill and brilliance. Firmino has 3-4 of those in comparison.

For forwards you look mainly at goals, assists, 2nd assists, key passes, big chances created, dribbles completed, shot accuracy/ effeciency, movement off the ball and workrate. (and other more complicated
factors that i will not go into) .
In every single one of those apart from assists and workrate Salah comes out on top in the entire club
and in the top 5 players in every single department apart from assists in all of the top 5 leagues in europe and he is not an out and out striker even though Klopp has used him more in a front 2 with Firmino recently.

Its not only about goals with Salah and even though Firmino deserves the credit he is getting putting down Salah's achievments is nothing short of comical. He is only the 13th player in the club's history to hit 30 goals, and not to mention the 15 other records he has broken in his first season at the club, if this season is Salah's level of performance going forward he will not be here for long if we don't start winning trophies from next season. Without a shadow of a doubt for me the best player at the club this season followed closely by Firmino. And not only that, i'd go as far to say the 2nd best player in the league after Kevin de Bruyne. No one comes even close to his numbers, and comparing him to f. eks to Harry Kane is BS because one is a striker and one is a right winger. Show me those right wingers that are
available who can come close to half his numbers. They don't even have half his numbers in far weaker leagues. Rant over.

15 Feb 2018 12:02:54
Why not just appreciate both.

15 Feb 2018 12:04:12
They are both awesome and both compliment each other, take one out and the other will lose something from their game though.
No player is irreplaceable as such but if we lost Firmino I feel we would have to change the whole system, he can’t really be replaced like for like, lose salah and we could find another winger, he would be a massive loss but we wouldn’t have to change the system as such.

15 Feb 2018 12:18:10
And please can we add Mane to this.
He's had (in my opinion) unfair criticism hurled at him this season.
He has totally been targeted this season which is why he hasn't hit the heights of last but he has still been great.
The three of them together are pretty much unstoppable.
Love being a Liverpool at the moment.
If we beat Porto 5-0 at home then we will have scored more goals in the Champions League than Everton have in the Premiership :)

{Ed025's Note - if everton played porto i would be gutted if we did,nt thrash them flidby...they are an absolute joke mate..

15 Feb 2018 12:26:03
I prefer Firmino because he is a more complete player who hasn't sent his agent to Madrid. Salah i love too, but he is already looking at a route out. Plus he relies heavily on pace and will be finished by 30-33 years old or basically after one really bad injury. Firmino is so clever that he could easily do a Totti and play until 40 by adapting his style.

There may well be no right forward as good as Salah, but i could list a lot of very good right wingers. However i can't list very many good false 9's. Messi and Fekir? Possibly Son from Spurs. That is all people mean when they say Firmino would be harder to replace. Salah is the best in the world at his position still, whilst Firmino will always be behind Messi until he retires if we're honest with ourselves. So i can see the other side of the argument too.

I love them both really and i think they both profit from each other. Nobody is putting Salah down. Maybe he isn't getting all of our undivided appreciation, but that is a good thing, no? The scary thing is that i think fit and in top form, Mane can be better than both of them at times.

Just enjoy the whole front 3 because we haven't had 3 forwards this good since Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge.

Firmino is a lot of peoples favourite because he is more committed and works slightly harder. Salah is just as good individually and arguably better. Who on earth scores 30 goals from the wing by February when they're not even a regular penalty taker? Nobody. Not even Ronaldo could without penalties to boost his tally. I can't even name a striker who can do it. Cavani maybe?

We have 3 special players and i won't pit any of them against each other, even though Firmino is admittedly my favourite. He's just "loco". Salah celebrates with a smile. Firmino takes off his shirt and fly kicks an invisible Chuck Norris! His passion endears him to people and maybe that makes us a little biased in the heat of discussion sometimes. I'm just excited where that whole trio can take us!

15 Feb 2018 12:35:40
Salah is world class. He's the second fastest EVER to hit 30 Liverpool goals. Firmino is improving and adding goals to his skill set, exciting times for him and us.

15 Feb 2018 12:42:35
Very long post. I don't think I've seen one post where someone has said Salah is not Amazing.

15 Feb 2018 12:59:57
Ed025 has to fishing there! Everton shipped 5 at home to Atalanta. Although to be fair. you will always have the famous night at Goodison under the lights where your boys managed a credible 2-2 draw with Apollon Limassol.

{Ed025's Note - if appollon limassol played porto i would expect them to beat porto about 10-0 mate..

15 Feb 2018 13:12:21
Come off it es25 your lot couldn't beat an egg.

{Ed025's Note - we are absolute pants p1...but still miles ahead of porto mate..

15 Feb 2018 13:52:36
Firmino is our system around which others are build hence he is the most important element. Now regarding who could score all those goals! Those are a part of the system that creates itself. Salah wouldn’t be half the player without Firmino.

There are lot of wingers who could score goals but I have not seen a single player that is even remotely close to Firmino! Firmino was world class even at Hoffenheim, He had the best assist ratio before moving to Anfield. Taking nothing away from Salah but without Firmino we wouldn’t survive!

15 Feb 2018 13:53:47
I think you're misunderstanding what people mean by replaceable. They don't mean we won't suffer, won't take a hit on quality etc. What they mean is the ability to continue our style, system and general way that the team operates. With Salah, we could find another hard working, fast, skilful winger with enough money.

They exist if price is no object. Yes they probably won't be as effective as Salah, we will almost certainly score less and have a long period without some of the more intricate movements Salah has already developed without the teams. But we wouldn't have to buy someone that the whole team has to change how they play to fit in.

In replacing Firmino, I cannot think of anyone with both the close control, the phenomenal work rate and the goalscoring ability of Firmino. Not a single player can do all three at that level - they are better goal scorers, better players with the ball at their feet and harder workers, but no combination of them all at his level.

To replace him we'd either have to buy a false 9 and sacrifice a huge amount of goalscoring power, or an out and out striker and change entirely how our midfield brings the ball forward and our wings support the build up play. That's why he's irreplaceable - not because he's so much better, but because there isn't anyone who can bring any close equivalent of what he does to a team.

As for who is better? I'll let you know when one of them leaves.

15 Feb 2018 13:54:28
Porto would school Everton.

15 Feb 2018 14:16:34
Salah has been just incredible so far - the best player in the league IMO except perhaps KDB or Kane. Having said that, I can’t help but love Firmino just as much for his ability to make the game seem so beautiful, it’s like he owns space and time sometimes, and those no look goals and karate kicks show his cheeky character and love of the game.

Both very very special, and Mane isn’t far behind, and would be right up there on form.

15 Feb 2018 14:54:35
Firmino is doing it in successive seasons.
Salah has had an amazing first season, expect him to be targeted next season. Hopefully he will overcome it 👍.

15 Feb 2018 15:11:50
Ron, Salah is already targeted every match by multiple players. I would agree to assume that teams may get more intelligent in their defending against Salah, but there's only so much you can do against players of his quality. Leaving out Messi, there are no better right-sided players in the world - none.

15 Feb 2018 15:48:09
What a ridiculous thread, show me one poster who doesn’t think Salah is a fantastic player! We have a couple of amazing players right now, we can appreciate them all, why rant about something so trivial?

15 Feb 2018 16:33:20
Hey smeg head sorry but I just don't think salah is fantastic.

15 Feb 2018 16:20:24
I like Everton fans more than any other on the planet (apart from ours) I think your Uefa cup would have been very different under big Sam but porto are not as bad as you're making them out to be and they are not the first decent side to be demolished by Liverpool FC.

Porto had a tough qualifying group and beat some decent sides. To suggest some eufa cup cannon fodder (who I've never heard of) would beat a team in the business end of the world's elite club competition 10 0 is ludicrous, if truth be told, porto would beat them as they beat everyone at home. We done well. While I don't like fans who can't be gracious in victory (making Everton jokes) I equally feel people should be gracious on defeat.

15 Feb 2018 17:02:41
Supersalah, Ed025 has played you mate 😂 he's taking the micky because lots of our fans were suggesting Porto are a terrible team who we can beat in the second leg, even if we make loads of changes!

This is Ed025. He is here for one reason; to make Liverpool fans look silly. He's very good at it unfortunately 😉 actually there is a second reason; he is in a civil partnership with Harry! Negativeredwalter was best man. It was the most depressing wedding I've ever been to.

15 Feb 2018 18:16:46
Mk Harry's all mine.

15 Feb 2018 11:31:19
If you think resting your best players in the CL is a good idea, then you are taking a big risk. Cast your mind back to game against Man City, we had the game won and the the roof nearly fell in, and we have had similar experiences in the recent past. No let's approach the next Porto game with a view to winning again and if we do increase our lead then think of subs.

15 Feb 2018 12:08:31
Its a squad game. Why not use some of them. I'm not saying put the under 23s in but we can use players like Ings or Klavan who are good players but don't get in the first team when everyone is fit.

15 Feb 2018 12:08:31
Its a squad game. Why not use some of them. I'm not saying put the under 23s in but we can use players like Ings or Klavan who are good players but don't get in the first team when everyone is fit.

15 Feb 2018 12:17:19
I would love to see Ings given a start, he deserves one. TAA over Gomez as well Tom continue his learning, and maybe a couple of youngsters like Woodburn on the bench for if we’re still well ahead at the end.

I’d also rest Henderson to keep him fit as possible going into the latter stages of the season, his injury history means he needs looking after.

Aside that, I’d go full strength. Winning is an easy habit to lose. And I’d also want to keep another clean sheet.

15 Feb 2018 12:44:18
I think that is a sensible suggestion Reid. Two changes. Firmino/ Salah and Hendo rested. Ings and Can come in.

I don't see that as an outrageous suggestion and it rests a couple of key players with minimal damage to the quality of the team.

15 Feb 2018 14:23:18
personally in the second leg I would start a front 3 of Mane firmino Lallana with the thoughts of taking Firmino and Mane off at half time if things are going our way.

If we are still in comfortable postion at half time I'd like to see Ings and Woodburn to come on for Mane and Firmino.

Need to kick off the game properly to not give Porto any encouragement.

I'd rest Salah for Man U

That's just a personal choice. It's up to Klopp and if he puts the 3 out then I won't blame him. better safe than sorry.

15 Feb 2018 15:00:34
I would rest Bobby, Mane and Salah.
VVD is an important player but he will benefit from the extra fitness gained from playing as he is still playing catch-up IMO.
I may rest Hendo too as he has an chronic injury which will benefit from rest.

15 Feb 2018 08:21:27
Hey eds I was wondering do any Liverpool players posses buyout clauses? I know there was rumours Firmino has one which doesn't include arsenal which sounds ridiculous and then there's rumours of Salah having one which I don't believe otherwise the club would have no leverage.
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

15 Feb 2018 10:51:21
Thanks for your response.

15 Feb 2018 08:16:57
Am i really reading that we should rest everyone for the second leg?

If we don't put out very close to a full strength team, it is a joke. Salah, Mane, Firmino, Henderson, Virgil etc are supposed to be leaders and/ or elite level players who will want to play every single game. Does anyone remember how angry Gerrard was when Rodgers rested him in the 3-0 defeat against Real Madrid, for a league game? In Rodgers arrogance he thought he didn't need the game because we'd beat Basel and Ludogorets. How'd that turn out Brendan?

We should be putting out basically our best team with maybe one youngster getting some game time as you can protect one player from exposure. Perhaps Woodburn in the midfield?

The game is 4 days before we go to old Trafford. With a 5-0 lead we have a chance to play with freedom and expression, and build up some real confidence going into the United game. Additionally, if we go through to the Quarters with say a 10-0 aggregate victory, it will send reverberations across Europe that we mean business. The mental impact that could have on our players and future opposition could be huge.

There are no bad teams in the Champions league. Man City changed about half of their team against Shaktar thinking they could get away with it, and they got beaten 2-1. Porto are a far better team and will probably have their top scorer and first choice centre back for the second leg. They are fully capable of turning up and beating our reserves 5-0 if we go into the game with the arrogance I'm seeing. Anyone remember PSG-Barca last season? It is never over in the Champions league which is why it is the pinnacle of Football.

No way should we be disrespecting the Champions League. The day Rodgers did that was the day his Liverpool career was over. Porto have lost 7 just games in their last 76. They have never lost by more than 3 at the Dragao. They've only lost twice all season in 90 minutes (to us and Besiktas) . They are not a bad team, we just made them look bad. We have to go out at Anfield and do that again, because if we can score 5 away from home against a weakened side, believe me, so can the best team in Portugal.

15 Feb 2018 08:28:43
110% agree with you mate. My team would be
Karius
Gomez/ Trent Matip VVD Moreno (give him a go)
Hendo
Lallana Ox
Salah Solanke? Mane
Subs- Migs, Gomez/ Trent, Lovren, can, Gini, Ings and Firmino.
I’d like to see Solanke start as I think it’s a game he could do really really well in!

15 Feb 2018 08:31:41
Porto came through the toughest group in the whole tournament.

Besiktas (1st in Turkey)
RBL (2nd in Germany)
Monaco (2nd in France)
Porto (1st in Portugal)

There was no Maribor, no Apollon, no Qarabag, no Anderlecht, no Ludogorets, no Celtic, no Debrecen etc in their group. They had 3 other top teams in their group. They had to fight for every single point, and they still got out of the group. Most teams had a relatively easy 6 points on offer but Porto had to scrap for every single point in a group everyone thought they'd finish bottom of.

They are not a poor side by any stretch and if we don't respect them with our team selection, they go onto the pitch so fired up that we'll be handing them the initiative. Remember Istanbul. Mission Impossible, is never impossible in this competition.

15 Feb 2018 08:42:04
As much as that is a strong team Leon, i can't bring myself to drop Firmino when he has a genuine shot at finishing top scorer in the whole competition. These are the nights players like Firmino live for. We have no cup games left so there should be no need to rest players. Honestly, i think the only change I'd make to last nights team is bringing Gomez in for Trent, and Matip in for Lovren as we'll need the extra height from set pieces to mark the returning Aboubakar and Felipe. We also get more possession at home and Matip is better on the ball than Lovren.

Possibly there is an argument to bring Lallana in for Milner if he's fully fit by then, but does Milner deserve to be dropped on the back of that performance? I can't honestly say he does.

15 Feb 2018 08:42:41
How is managing your squad sensibly disrespecting the Champions League? We respected the Champions League already by showing Porto no mercy at their place, we can now afford to rest key players to ensure that they are fit for the United game. If we play our best XI and a key player takes a knock and misses the United game what will be the point? To prove 'respect'? Your argument doesn't really make sense Adam and even less so when you compare it to the situation with Gerrard which was completely different (most notable difference being it was a GROUP STAGE game) . We are 5-0 up on aggregate and playing a top 4 rival days later - it would make no sense to play a full strength side and risk injury to key personnel.

As for your assessment that Porto could score 5 at Anfield? Get a grip lad, that is absolute waffle. I don't care if they are the best side in Portugal they are simply not that good - we should back ourselves, and our squad, to progress after that first leg irrespective of the team we put out.

15 Feb 2018 08:45:55
p. s as for sending reverberations across Europe? Europe doesn't care mate each team is focused on themselves, the 2nd round draw was kind to us, the quarter final (assuming we make it) will be a lot tougher and tighter, you are making out Porto to be far, far better than what they are. Do they have good players? Yes. Can they score goals? Yes. Do we have good players? Yes. Can we score goals? Yes. Did we smash 5 past them at their place? Yes. The tie should be as good as over, they are no Barcelona.

15 Feb 2018 08:52:40
Klopp said last night he's been in the game long enough to know nothing is certain until the final whistle. I don't think there will be too many changes.

15 Feb 2018 09:03:36
Seano i can only assume you've not been watching the Champions league for many years.

I've seen Celtic beat Barcelona with less than 20% possession. So if you think Porto can't score 5 against us if we make 8 or 9 changes like some people are suggesting, then you are in fact the deluded one.

I am fully confident we will go through, but to say the tie is over? That's just suicide. If we send out a second string team with the message "don't worry we've already won" and Porto get an early goal or two, the whole complexion of the tie changes and we end up clinging on for dear life with only 3 substitutions to try and wrestle back the initiative.

Why take that risk? Injury? Don't talk wet. Ronaldo and Messi play every single game for the last 10 years and i think I've seen Messi properly injured once. Top players shouldn't be scared of going on the pitch in case they get hurt, they should demand to go on the pitch in case the team loses. This is a major mentality problem with this club. We lose one game and everyone says the team is useless. We win one game and people now think our reserves can beat one of the top 16 teams in Europe!

Surely we want to win the game? Maybe our reserves would do enough to get us through. After all they could lose 4-0 and it would still be enough. But why would we deliberately throw a game in front of a global audience? Is that the image we want to portray to neutrals we are trying to convert into supporters? Why risk losing our momentum.

Have you ever played football? If you have, have you ever wanted to be on the bench? I know i hated when my manager said he was resting me. I threw a chair across the dressing room because he subbed me off on a hat trick with 20 minutes to go and we went on and lost 3-2. This is football, not boxing. You can't do enough damage in the first 6 rounds of football, to allow you to cruise through the last 6 rounds.

Porto will come back stronger and with a point to prove and if we play a second string team, all we'll do is fire them up even more. We'd basically be doing their managers team talk for him!

15 Feb 2018 09:36:34
I'm glad to here that Hugh Mungus. I had every faith in Klopp to do it anyway, but i just cannot believe the lack of winning mentality coming from the fans. I want to win every game, and i expect us to pick the strongest team available particularly in the PL and the CL.

We've got a huge resting period now until the next game. That should be more than enough to refresh ourselves for the final run in. There is absolutely no need to rest players when you are playing 11 league games and an absolute maximum of 6 European games between now and the end of May. Can our star players seriously not cope with 17 games in 3 and a half months? It's practically a game every 6 days on average. And we want to rest players?

I'd love to see Ronaldo or Messi's faces if their managers said they weren't playing in a Champions League knock out game because the tie was won. They'd probably hand in a transfer request the next day! This is the top of world football. There is no way anyone can tell me that Firmino, Mane and Salah won't want to be on that pitch. In fact resting any of them greatly reduces our chances of convincing them to stay because it just shows a lack of winning mentality.

The best players want to play. Momentum and confidence is far more important than reducing the already low risk of injury. The most important game is always the next game, regardless of aggregate scores. Winning in football is everything. I'm just pleased Klopp understands that more than his predecessor did and won't make the same mistake.

15 Feb 2018 09:37:41
We will clearly be in a position to make some changes but I agree it would be wrong to make wholesale changes. We should be able to make up to 4-5 changes without weakening the side too much. I’d rest VVD, Salah and Firmino for Utd although I’m sure they would rather play.

As for Moreno, like Mignolet he should never pull on a red shirt again after the display against West Brom. May sound harsh but how many chances did he need.

Great to see us play so well last nite, other top teams will definitely take notice. I just fear that the further we go the more our midfield will get found out although there is every chance we could draw an English team in both quarter and semi and in that case I wouldn’t fear any of them. Let’s enjoy the ride!

YNWA.

15 Feb 2018 09:39:38
You are putting words in people's mouths mk. I don't think many are saying change the full 11 and I don't think anyone said to tell them to go out there not caring because we've already won. Also your comment on boxing is just simply wrong, as if you're in the fight you can land a ko. Arguably it is easier to see out football as if you're 11-0 up with 10 seconds to go, you've won. in boxing 11 rounds up with 10 seconds to go you can still lose.

But anyway personally I would rest salah Miller and Robertson for woodburn, lalanna and Moreno as Robertson needs a rest at some point. I'd like to see woodburn given a shot and lalanna to build up match sharpness.

Then at half time to 60 mins in if we are anything from 0-0 or better at this stage bring on ings solanke and whoever ox possibly and give minutes and rest to players that respectively need it.

Sure the tie isn't over but history kind of says it is in that it's never happened. And bar what has been said in hyperbole of actually telling the players to go out not caring at all then we will be fine. At the same time though if klopp thinks a player needs a rest they'll get it, like it or not.

15 Feb 2018 09:46:17
The tie is over. Get a grip, mate.

15 Feb 2018 09:52:16
I would definitely use this as an opportunity to give game time to some of the squad players/ kids who need it.
Porto are never scoring more than 3 goals at Anfield regardless of what team we put out.
Nice mixture of youth and experience with the likes of salah and Firmino on the bench, play mane and Hendo as they need game time to get match sharp.

15 Feb 2018 09:57:11
That is a fair point on the boxing analogy Shane. However you should scroll down and read the thread half way down the page where even one of the editors suggested we drop Salah, Firmino AND Mane.

I'm sorry but I'm not having it. Resting players is total rubbish. They are professional athletes who should be able to play twice in 4 days. If it was 2 or even 3 days i can sort of understand it as the scientifically evidenced recovery period for top athletes is 48 hours. We play Porto on Tuesday and United on Saturday. Are we seriously suggesting that we have players earning in excess of £5m a year, who cannot play Tuesday and Saturday in the same week?

So what would we have done if we'd lost 3-0 last night? Just thrown in the towel? Or sacrificed the United game? We'd have done neither. We'd have sucked it up and played a full strength team in both games. Winning mentality is everything. As the old cliche goes, winning is a habit. We should not be severely reducing our chances of winning because we are scared a player might get injured. More players get injured in training than in a game. So maybe we should just cancel training for the next 2 weeks because of the injury risk?

I cannot believe Liverpool fans sometimes. I want to win every game and if Klopp plays a weakened team and we lose.

I can fully understand resting players over the winter period. Games cone at about 4 every 10 days and it is totally unrealistic to expect anyone to be able to play in every match. This is not the time to be resting players though. We need to build up huge momentum so we can roll up to the United, Chelsea and CL quarter finals so confident in ourselves that we play without thinking about it. I cannot and will not accept resting fully fit players in the Champions League knock out stages.

15 Feb 2018 10:00:44
Are you telling me having ings/ solanke in for firmino, likes of lallana in for salah, ox in for hendo, gomez in for trent maybe woodburn after 60 minutes to replace Mane, makes us weak and a second string team?
i don't get this really? i would want to rest salah and firmino for united, we are 5-0 ahead in the tie. i would start ings and lallana (if they are fit) . both players are decent enough and hard workers.
i don't know what second string team we have that everybody is so hyper about. i think we should give a rest to hendo, firmino and salah for the united tie and be refreshed and our replacements are more than capable enough in ox lallana and Ings/ solanke.
I don't think this is looking down on Porto in any way, its basic team management.
If porto think ings/ solanke/ lallana/ ox make us second string team then they are in for another 5-0.

Again not sure what real second string team everyone is on about here? i think we would just be using the bench for rotation and resting important players. (I thought that was the purpose of bench) And again we are 5-0 up. Porto have to score 6 goals to go through and keep a clean sheet. not taking them lightly but i don't think even mancity can do that!
i think it would be fair to rest some big guns before united, because we would need them on full gas against them.

15 Feb 2018 10:13:57
Who said anything about '8 or 9 changes'? This is you putting 2+2 together and getting 87. Resting key players is sensible squad management - its not so much about fitness but avoiding unnecessary injury to key players. There are certain players in our team who are more influential than others who we would suffer badly without. If say Salah or Firmino get a knock against Porto will it still be worth it? I don't see the need to take that risk and so far the only argument you have presented is 'changing 8 or 9 player and telling them the tie is already won will inspire Porto to score 5 goals' - it is utter drivel for a number of reasons: 1) Nobody has said let's change the entire starting line up. 2) Nobody has said slack off and treat the game as already won. 3) Scoring 5 goals at Anfield without reply would be nothing short of miraculous - I don't care if Aboubakar or Felipe are playing - our squad players should be good enough to come in and do a job against good opposition, otherwise why are they even part of the squad?

As for players being scared of getting injured? Again nobody has said that, I am sure all the players want to play, but it is the job of the manager to analyse the situation as a whole and make the best decision accordingly - it doesn't matter what the players want, it is there job to follow the managers instructions, to play to the best of their ability when selected, and to keep fit and work hard when they aren't. I don't care if you had a tantrum when you played non league football it has nothing to do with this discussion - these are professional players being paid lots of money to do a job most can only dream of, they should and will respect the managers choice, end of.

You're over reacting to a sensible suggestion to rest key players before a crucial game against United days later. You might have a point if the tie was delicately poised at 1-1 but we're 5-0 for gods sake, it is the perfect time to rotate and ensure we can field our best side when taking on United. How is that not a reasonable suggestion? You don't have to agree but you're making out like anybody who has suggested this has had a brain aneurysm, I don't understand why your so vehemently opposed to the idea.

15 Feb 2018 10:16:36
So what Mikey, throw a game to give some reserve players a chance? Keep the squad players happy and infuriate the handful of world class players we have by dropping them for no apparent reason? Sounds like a great way to motivate them for the United game!

Paisley and Shankly would be pulling their hair out reading this thread. They only had 15 bloody players to start with jn their day!

Random Red, i remember everyone saying that last season when PSG hammered Barcelona. "Porto are no Barcelona" is about as good an argument as "Liverpool are no PSG". The tie is not over. There are another 90 minutes to get through. If we play our best side, i think we go through with a huge aggregate score. If we play our second string, those players instantly have huge pressure on them not to screw up the work the first team did. They won't want to go to training the next day and have to apologise to Salah and Firmino for ruining their last medal hopes.

Now imagine Porto get a dodgy penalty 2 minutes into the game! That pressure doubles, everyone gets nervous, and Porto can seize on that to take full control of the game whilst we spend 90 minutes defending with no quality in the break because all 3 of our star players are being saved for Man U. If the unthinkable happened and we went out because of resting players, do you seriously think the squad will be in the right frame of mind to go to Old Trafford?

I guess everyone has a different opinion, but I'm shocked at the number of people who want to risk our season because of the risk of injury. Aguero got injured in a car crash on his night off for crying out loud. You can't live life in fear. Klopp should and most probably will pick at least 8 or 9 of his first choice players because unlike the fans, he actually wants to win every game instead of having a mid-table mentality where our season is apparently defined by whether we beat Man United or not.

Porto were missing their top scorer, their first choice centre back, and their first choice midfielder. As great as our win was, Porto had chances and a few of our goals were goal keeping errors.

Anyway, i think I've made my point though. I'll be livid if Klopp puts out a weakened side and we lose by any score line.

15 Feb 2018 10:27:37
MK and Seano, make some valid points. No, we should not be making 8 or 9 changes cos that is just stupid and tempting fate. Porto will not just come here and roll over. They have been stuffed and would like to come here and go out with their heads held high so I expect a tough game in 3 weeks. Having said that, Klopp has been rotating for months now and it has served us well overall.

I expect him to do so again with Utd coming up that weekend. This will NEVER mean that he will make 8 or 9 changes. It just means that he will be able to rotate (while at the same time, keeping the team competitive) as he has been doing before, something he would not have been able to do if the score line had been tighter or a draw or a loss. That is the luxury he has and nothing more.

15 Feb 2018 10:28:20
MK you do understand they have to score 5 goals at anfield? which last i read was liverpool's home ground? and in addition not concede?
and as we are talking IFs and buts here, you do understand if they could so that against a so called weakened team (w. o salah and firmino) they could probably do it against a strong team too? since they have messi ronaldo (both fat and slim) neymar zidane pele and God all in the team?
you know what they could have all those in the team and still its impossible. i mean we could have migs flapping and lovren snapping and it still won't happen. The refrees could conspire against us and it still won't happen! all the above could combine to happen and it still won't happen.
Relax man have a mountain dew.

15 Feb 2018 10:41:30
It's not about the quality of our back up players, Ak. I agree they are very good players.

However, football is not about having the best individual in each position. It is about having a team who understand each other and work as a cohesive unit. That is why teams which on paper would stroll to the title in the Championship, lose to Non-league teams in the FA cup. It isn't about the players. It is about the team. You bring in maybe 1 or 2 squad players at a time. Not half the side.

Seano, scroll down the page and read the thread I'm referring to (you've even replied to it) . Everybody there is suggesting we make wholesale changes and I think it was Ed333 literally listed the 5-8 changes he would make, including playing Ings and Solanke which would require a change in system as well! I'm not putting words into anyone's mouth. People have literally suggested changing the whole identity of the team, and others have agreed with it. It is arrogant, but more importantly it shows a lack of ambition to win.

15 Feb 2018 10:46:58
I think the game should start with no more than 2 changes. This would be at Klopps discretion or anyone with a little boggle. Even without expending too much energy we should be able to knock on a couple of first half goals. Then we could rest 2 key layers at half time and a third around the 70 minute mark.


In this way we are taking no risk of a miraculous comeback, won’t upset the key players and some other squad players will get decent minutes.

What if Klopp has taken Mané off with 20 minutes to go last night? To rest him for 20 minutes would have more of a negative effect than the confidence he will get from scoring a hat trick. Firmino might not have got his goal either as Mané was involved in that.

15 Feb 2018 10:50:23
Please don't even joke about Mignolet playing 😂.

15 Feb 2018 10:52:29
You are 100% correct MK, disrrspecting porto could really bite us in the ass. Play our strongest team, end of.

15 Feb 2018 10:56:40
Ak, it was only last week we let in 3 against West Brom at Anfield. Porto are a bit better than West Brom. We had Firmino and Salah on the pitch to score a couple of goals, but if they weren't on the pitch, we could've easily lost 3-0 to the worst team in the Premier League. Yet you say Porto have no chance of scoring 5? 🤔 there is always a chance in cup competition. Always.

15 Feb 2018 10:58:23
In fact West Brom did put 5 past us at Anfield! Two were disallowed though. On another day with a bit of bad officiating, we could've easily have had 5 goals stand fir a visiting team at Anfield.

Very short memories!

15 Feb 2018 11:01:38
Absolutely spot on Klavy. Confidence > Rest.

15 Feb 2018 11:02:09
Your not throwing a game, it’s a 2 legged tie and it’s already won.
Besides if you play a full strength team they will only treat it as a game that’s already won and won’t put in any effort, kids and squad players will be more eager to impress and will put in the effort.
Shanks May have had only 15 players but Klopp has double that to keep happy remember.

15 Feb 2018 11:11:49
Predictive text - should read niggle not boggle on my previous post.

15 Feb 2018 11:19:35
I'm sorry if it came across blunt Mikey. I usually agree with you. I just don't believe the tie is dead yet. I am pretty sure we'll go through whatever team we play, but is that the bar we are setting now? "just don't lose by 5"?

I'm sorry but i can't back that approach. I want the team to target another 5-0. Anybody remember Bayern beating Arsenal 10-1 on aggregate? They didn't change the whole team, they just went out and scored 5 again to eliminate any doubts. That should be our target too. At least 2 of Firmino, Mane and Salah have to start in my opinion, and i would personally play all 3. This is the biggest stage in world football. This is where you win peoples hearts and put yourselves on the footballing map. There is no way we should be compromising. If the players seriously cannot play twice in 4 days, then perhaps we should replace them in the summer because we'll never be an elite club if our players cannot cope with a league and a cup game a week.

Ronaldo rarely ever misses a game for Real Madrid and he is the 2nd best player on the planet who rarely ever suffers from injury or fatigue.

15 Feb 2018 11:43:57
Ronaldo is extremely fit though remember, a lot of our players are not or are returning to full fitness so this is the perfect chance to manage the squad and blood in some players with some valuable champs league experience.
Games won 👍.

15 Feb 2018 11:57:27
its all taken your points, but the united is as big as any final for me. i want us to beat, no demolish united not because its united and blah blah because it is very possible. United as anyone would say are utter crap at football and I for one can't stand them being in front of us. I need them beaten and hence i will support resting a few key players for porto as i believe we have sufficient quality on our bench to replace them.
I donot want to risk/ tire out firmino and salah even Mane for the united game. i want all of them to know that they are being rested to unleash themselves against united and like every game that is a priority and nothing less than 3 points will do.
we have to win against them to grab that 2nd spot. I cannot take united with their utter crap football and non-football coach finishing above us. So yes rest a few, so there is no excuse/ chence for a draw/ loss.
if we can't believe in our bench to protect a 5-0 lead, why are we even bothering with CL etc.
and ronaldo's and messi's are two self motivated and self obsessed individuals and all they care is about ballon'd'ors and who is the best for which they play every damn game, its hardly to do with their care for the teams they play in .

{Ed025's Note - i would play the U12,s against porto akshit, they are the worst team ever to play in the CL knockout stages ever...FACT, they are a total embarrassment to their country and football in general, yes liverpool played well but they made everton look like man city mate..

15 Feb 2018 13:01:30
The solution is simple. Give free tickets to everyone and play with 10 defenders. In essence, park the bus for 90 minutes. Man utd do it against us and still charge their own supporters for the spectacle.

15 Feb 2018 12:56:12
I'm with Seano, managing your squad is not disrespecting the tournament. We'll be facing United that weekend who will have been rested all week, we will need everyone fit and firing. And we are 5-0 up against Porto. 5-0. That's massive, especially considering they are now coming to Anfield.

I'm not saying start playing the kids and yes Firmino who is in with a run at the golden boot needs to play - at least 2 of our front 3 do for at least an hour just to stop them being able to commit everything forward. But playing the likes of Klavan, Moreno, whoever Klopp would rather not start against United in the middle etc isn't disrespecting the tournament. Nor when you're 5-0 is it a particular risk. The only mitigating factor for me would be weighing up the need for our defense to keep bonding vs our need to keep everyone fresh. Otherwise I'd say it's certainly time to be a little pragmatic about who plays and have half an eye on the next fixture.

15 Feb 2018 12:56:27
I can see both sides of the argument. With the United game a few days later I reckon we have a chance to rest a couple whilst still keeping the spine strong. Maybe an 11 of.
Karius
Gomez Matip VVD Moreno
Gini Can Lallana
Ox Ings Mane

Thats still a strong side. And keep the rested players on the bench if needed, along with some youngsters like Solanke and Woodburn. All going well, it would be great to give them a run out.

15 Feb 2018 12:59:00
As another relevant point, it's been over 80 years since we were beaten by 5 goals at Anfield - Manchester City beat us 0-5 in 1937. Since then our biggest losses have been by 3 goals, 4 times in the past 20 years. Id happily say the chances of us throwing away a 5 goal lead here is minuscule.

15 Feb 2018 13:01:00
Agreed 100% Seano. We need to manage the squad as we have united away. As much as I want progrsssion in CL I also want top 4 and to go above united. We can still play a strong team whilst resting some key players.

15 Feb 2018 13:46:27
I agree with MK here, we should be wanting to put a marker down at home. And i know full well if porto score within 10 minutes Anfield would have that air of nervousness. Stick kids in that atmosphere and we can be in trouble. Strongest 11 out for me (depending on fatigue) and put the game beyond all doubt then you can just turn the second half in to a training session and rest a few.

15 Feb 2018 13:48:30
Y'all are forgetting 1 major factor.
The game is home. There is no way in hell Klopp would want to disappoint the Anfield faithful by putting out a bit part team and possibly losing in such a big competition even if we still progressed.

15 Feb 2018 15:06:42
This tie is over, play the squad players, rest the star players. I’d rest Salah, Bobby and maybe Mane and Hendo.
Anfield makes no difference, we played a weakened team at Anfield against Everton in the league and that was a “live” game whereas this is a “dead rubber”.

One factor most are forgetting is our next game after Porto is at a league game at Old Toilet.

Rest the star players 👍.

15 Feb 2018 05:43:15
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th February 2018

15 Feb 2018 08:52:58
There we go cheers Ed, glad to see you back up and running again mate, bet things are much easier now with your new computer :)

{Ed001's Note - so much better mate, no longer a 20 min reboot process every 5 minutes! I will have the match review done soon as well. Only editing has stopped me from getting it done already. I should have got a new one a long time ago really.}

15 Feb 2018 09:09:22
Glad to hear it ed, nothing worse then a steam driven computer on the brink of breaking is there lol cheers mate, brilliant review btw. Looking forward to the match one.

{Ed001's Note - I can think of a few things worse actually, but it is amongst the most annoying things. I wouldn't mind but it was a decent spec and ran fast until Windows 10 updates throttled the CPU's performance.}

15 Feb 2018 09:31:57
Funny you say that, I had exactly the same on my last pc, it didn't like windows 10 at all which caused it to freeze and shut down, with a ridiculous static sound, more so when on adobe after effects which is quite demanding on the cpu etc so it made work impossible. I tried putting thermal paste on the cpu to help with the temps but it made no difference, it was getting on though, so i too had to get a new one and what a good move that was. I just don't like spending money on this stuff lol so delayed it as much as I could haha!

{Ed001's Note - it is a common problem on a lot of CPUs being throttled back apparently. I read a lot of moans on gaming forums about the problem making some games that previously ran well suddenly unplayable etc. This time I decided to splurge on the never never with a liquid cooled case that I can just upgrade as and when. I have so missed my custom build I had in the UK, now it is forgotten!}

15 Feb 2018 00:53:01
I just want to acknowledge how lucky we are to have Bobby Firmino playing for us! Week in week out he gives 100% and rarely misses a game! Epitomises a true professional! Let’s hope he stays for years to come.

{Ed0333's Note - absolutely reinforce and echo your point 100000% Billsborough. Give him a lucrative 5 year deal now he deserves it.

15 Feb 2018 01:02:12
Let’s hope he stays underrated by the so called ‘big clubs’. :) .

15 Feb 2018 02:34:43
Totally agree, and we are starting to see a lot more of the Brazilian flair from him. Its as if he has taken up coutinho's mantle but in a more clinical fashion. Loving him right now and agree we should reward him with a bumper contract before the big boys come sniffing.

15 Feb 2018 02:55:13
He's just unbelievable isn't he, definitely the best player in the squad for me.

15 Feb 2018 04:35:39
We need a 20+ goal scorer. oh wait 😂.

15 Feb 2018 06:42:20
Nobody was wrong to criticize his goal rate, he really didn't score enough, but he's flipped a switch in the last three months. Now he's scoring at an elite rate as well as working like a mad man, it's an incredible combination.

The best thing is that, because he's not a conventional striker, the big clubs are unlikely to chase him.

15 Feb 2018 08:21:22
Putney- He could score 10/ 15 goals a season and be worth his place imo.

15 Feb 2018 09:05:20
He’s like gold dust to our team at the moment, not only his goal return but when he gets back to help the midfield and what’s funny is the opposition midfielders aren’t expecting a tackle or being pressed from behind so he catches them off guard every time and 7/ 10 times wins the ball!