Liverpool Banter Archive February 15 2013

 

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15 Feb 2013 22:40:50
Rodgers wants to sign Ashley Williams in the summer to replace Carragher. We will also look to swap Ben Arfa with Carroll but it may be tough convincing the player who has his heart set on PSG.


Great more swansea rubbish

he s an ok cb, he snot top four material cb

tom1975


15 Feb 2013 23:45:29
Give me one reason why A. William will want to sign for Liverpool. you are no more humongous and will never again be, at best a step below Swansea. That being said, expect another thrashing on Sunday as you cannot beat a team 'above' u.


Now who are swansea again? and who were they 2-3 seasons back?
agreed that Ashley williams is no where the quality to play for Liverpool atleast mentality wise.
Enjoy your premier league status as long as you have it and we can talk again when you qualify for europe (if ever that happens).


People see the team name as Swansea and assume he is rubbish. In fact he's probably one of the best CB's in the league.
If you watch him play you will see he is strong, reads the game well, is good in the air, good on the ball and quick across the floor.
However, most fans don't want him signed as he doesn't play for a team in the CL and won't cost £30m+


What would PSG want with Carroll


Im sorry but the only player BR should be allowed to sign from Swansea is Michu. Allen has clearly been out of his depth most of the season and Williams will be the same. The difference is that Allen is young and still might improve where as Williams is 28 and as good as he will ever be. He is not the dominant CB we need.

Since there is 0% chance of Hummels we should make an offer for Subotic or Howedes from Germany or Ogbonna from Italy.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:17:23
ed, how highly do Liverpool regard assaddi? Looks like class, but it seems he hant impressed BR much?


Assaidi is one of those rare breeds of players, the type who thinks he can jog his way through training despite being told several times he needs to impress.

Maybe he just doesn't have that extra level?

I fully expect him to be sold in the summer, but at a profit.

Maradoo


Allen and borini have impressed though!


Hasnt played much to be regarded class but played well one time when he was on the pitch. When you get a name for getting up early you can lie in bed all day as the saying goes, we don't know what his atitude is like are his overall fitness. Tommy Irish Red


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:57:11
Hi ed's what's your take on what christian purslow has been saying in regards to fsg. are they likely to sell up, or are they here for the long term.


Realize I'm not an Ed, but since you asked.

I'm pretty sure if someone walked into Henry's office and handed him a check for say 550M or thereabouts they'd be handed the keys to the Shankly gate post haste. I don't see that happening anytime soon, though.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:51:45
Eds fellow reds, do you see the BR situation turning into the fergi story, I mean the fans turned on fergi in 85 the fans wanted him out. then the next season he got it right and the rest is history. or do you see fsg getting rid


Ferguson already had a track record of success before he joined united

he wonthe eufa cup with aberdeen

yes aberdeen

comparing rodgers to fergie is wshful delusional thinking

tom1975

p. s. I d be happy if rafa was rehired in summer
dont think he will and rodgers may well get better but he has to start getting things right by xmas

9 wins in 26 league games is not good enough for Liverpool


04/05 season 26 games played
40pts +15goals

plus there were less big teams to play

city/spurs

4 points difference.
suarez goal against everton was onside
enrique goal against swansea was onside.
that is 4 point robbed from us.

you talk about rodgers signings what about rafa's, less then 10% of his signing were successful.

KUMBER


Lol, the fans may have turned on him in '85 but that would have been at Aberdeen: he didn't go to United until '86. To compare Rodgers to Fergie is laughable. Ferguson had broken the dominance of Celtic and Rangers and won the league, domestic Cups and a European trophy. He also had to start from scratch and was given time to build a team. Give Rodgers time of you want, but he has no track record to fall back on and prove he can actually do it.

AJH


Did the Aberdeen fans turn on Fergie in 1985?
He only joined Manchester United after an unsuccessful time as Scotland manager at World Cup Mexico 86!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:46:21
Hi eds, not a knee jerk but. Lawro hit the nail on the head midweek we still rely on Suarez an Gerard to win matches. If they don't turn up the squad seems unable to find result. Do you think this will be adressed in the summer with a big signing? Or will we continue to buy potential?


It will be addressed when suarez is sold. then we won't be relying on him any longer

i can't see why suarez would hang around waiting for us to get better even if he does love the club

tom1975


Actually, his comment was regards Man United and them having to heavily depend on Rooney and RVP this season for the success that they've had.

Or, at least, it could well have been.

Of course a team is not going to get a good result in a game if its two best players aren't in form that game.

SpudRed


And unfortunately for us, both Gerrard and Suarez have been very inconsistent- ranging from world class to dire.


Since Sturridge came in, he's who we've been relying on and he's who we are missing. Having someone of Suarez's ability up front, is enough to keep defenders really busy, having someone with Sturridge's pace to compliment Suarez's trickery and tenacity has done us wonders.

BCDI.


United have scored 62 league goals, RVP and Rooney have scored less than half. Suarez has got 17 out of 44 so Lawro is wrong whoever he was referring to.

AJH


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:34:49
Eds what's the likelihood of brendan rodgers getting sacked end of seoson or even before?

Basy


Basy, if he has a bad run of games from now til the seasons end I think he will be sacked. but he ll prob win a few and likely keep his job

just what I think

tom1975


N× (n − 1)× (n − 2)×⋯×2×1

Where and is our final league position.

SpudRed


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:24:46
Any idea of the situation with Emnike Eds? Great Job, Cheers, Walshy

{Ed002's Note - Done to death with the correct spelling.}


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:38:30
Anyone else agree that we need to replace both skertel and agger. I know the manager waxes lyrical about agger, I'm not convinced by either. both make way to many mistakes. how I'd love another sammi hyypia, a defender who could actually defend.


They've only started being crud since Buck came in. Before then they were solid. Maybe defence training is a bit weak?

Crowman.


Its not a case of replacing the 2 centre halves lad, those 2 where immense last year its the way they are being asked to play and asking reina to be another defender/sweeper is giving them the heeby jeebys understandably because the have no confidence in his clearances and they also have no help from midfield due to the new system


Yes definatly mate both got to go ain't good enough that's where the problem is. redman matt


15 Feb 2013 23:23:44
No one was complaining about their defending last season when we had the third best defense in the league even after coming 8th and without lucas. Imo the whole team look terrible off the ball mainly because they work so much on the ball that they don't know what to do when possession is lost. I think BR needs to squash his ego and try to change the way he does things. I agree with ed002 that it was a job too early for him.
KingMiz


I agree too - a job too soon. I was sorry to see the back of Steve Clark, as were many Chelsea supporters previously. He knows how to organise a defence, which many believe is still the foundation for success.

For all the praise of Swansea last year, it was based on pleasant surprise rather than seriously challenging. Following a poor showing at Reading, Rogers inherited a system at Swansea and did well with it.

What is worrying though, is how much better they are now playing under Laudrup, who understands how to play expansive, 'continental' football that also has a cutting edge.

The success we have had this year is largely due to exceptional individual play, rather than a winning team blueprint. Where would we be without Suarez and Gerrard?

Unfortunately, man united can just get away with the odd RVP addition because they have the resilient foundation. He has been their 'icing on the cake', rather than the icing, the sponge and the filling.

With the players we have we should be doing better than we are. It's one thing to punch above your weight, but how long can you get away with punching below it?

Raised Eyebrow


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:22:25
The writing is on the wall. LFC are on a downward spiral unless something changes. To me it's difficult to say that there is one particular problem. It's a combination starting with an inexperienced manager working under owners who don't know football and are now so worried about alienating their RedSox support they do not visit their investment in Liverpool. Thereby leaving the club in the hands of an MD who is not of the experience and stature required.


It seems to me that BR set about dismantling all that was associated with Dalglish's last stint here before him. Look at the players he ditched, the way he had made his mind up about Carrol and even though he wasn't worth the 35 million treated him in a very shoddy manner. After buying his own 'welsh Xavi' and ' a player that would excite' Liverpool fans he has had to resort to Dalglish's signings again.


The reinstallation of the Anfield sign, the red nets, the TV program, the almost dramatic initial press conference - all very good for the PR but it ain't done anything for the football Mr Rodgers.


The comical post match interviews have been breathtakingly ridiculous, culminating in the most recent one - 'that was an almost perfect away performance in Europe. ' Mr Rogers your team had just lost two nil and are looking at having their season come to an end by mid February.


FSG claimed BR was always their man. IMO that's bull. Martinez was clearly seen with John Henry in the USA and has himself said he declined the job. Why so? Well he obviously didn't like the sniff he had of FSG's plan. Torres ( accepted that he was moping around) left saying that he wasn't prepared to wait for success and promises had been broken.

IMO BR was hired as the last resort (why if he was their man did they not nab him straight away). BR was probably the only managerial candidate to want the jump to a big club enough to sell his soul and be the yes man. Or he was arrogant enough as well to believe he was special enough to take this task on. Granted he does have the front and public relations talk to 'jolly' the fans along - not anymore I think.


BR has squeaked, through Gerrard as well, that we need experience in the team as well. No experience bought in two transfer windows. Well come on Mr Rogers you said you would give your life for the club- speak up boldly if FSG are not sanctioning your wish for the experienced players you want?


Even if we beat Swansea there are still big questions looming. If anyone still says we have progressed then please quantify it. Not just say our performances have improved! Well I could list the teams we have beaten and the ones who we haven't but we all know. We also all know who knocked us out of the cups. So quantify how we have improved.


If BR stays at the end of the season an experienced football man is required somewhere in the set up to get the club on the right track while BR learns the ropes, including keeping his mouth shut and not trying some 'Jedi mind trick' trying to pass a bad loss off as a 'near perfect prformance. ' Another gaff was saying that the team would not be making the mistakes they are in 12 to 18 months - is he for real? What other manager would be satisfied with the corrections of the mistakes we have witnessed taking over a year to fix? It's an insight into his mentality and level of expectation. I was going to say it was comical again but infact it is worrying.


Really chaps open your eyes and smell the coffee. we are another Aston Villa in the making. Do not settle for the mediocrity and the bull sh-t public relations talk.


RedDoc


15 Feb 2013 23:00:19
Ridiculous post. The reason we have remained a club in the process of change for so long is because we keep making changes at the top (with the performances showing that the decisions have been made rightly in my opnion!) However, this is the first time that we at least have a manager who is showing a clear plan, so although we are lower in the league than under previous managers, there is at least a sense that we finally have a manager with a plan! I would love to make the CL but at the same time if we fall outside of the top 6 we must give the manager AT LEAST one more season. Liverpool wasn't built in a day!


Ticks all the boxes dude, epic post


There were no many inaccuracies and utter fantasies in this post that its just not worth talking about.

SpudRed


You talk as if fsg want to ruin the club! Conspiracy theory raving lunatic. Nobody like ls losing - man up FFS

Gazman


What's the clear plan?

RedDoc


Top Post RedDoc,

Rodgers is such a snakeoil salesman. How are we lumbered with this total blagger spouting his blarney. Ian Ayre chose this guy as a candidate. He should go forth aswell

TDS


16 Feb 2013 00:55:39
Erm. Rafa Benitez mate.

Don't get all the hate to a man that won the champions league with Traore at left back and had old whisky sweating! He got done over by the planks and admittedly his last season was poor, but it would always be the case!

Alonso going was a serious mistake.

But, let's look at the legacy. Where are all the youth coming through from? Who built it up. Enough said.

The man is a legend, he brought back dignity to the famous Red shirt. He should've been given a chance.

As to the numpties who are going to talk about chelski, not his team, not his players. Yet, he's got them playingbetter than Di matteo ever did.

If fsg had come in when Rafa was in charge, we would be champions right now. Any doubters obviously don't know anything about the beautiful game.

Rant over.

Solution time.

Br is our manager. We are Liverpool. We back our managers until they have the good grace to leave. Rafa as the man who shows br the ropes, Javi Valero back in to coach the defence. Simples.

Argue all you want, but br man management and pr, with Rafa pulling strings and javi stopping the leaky defense. match made in heaven :)

Red till I die


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:12:55
A huge rebuilding job is needed in the summer, especially with experienced players like reina, skertel and carra all reportedly about to leave. we can no longer afford to waste money on 2nd rate players, we need proven stars, who can do a job straight away. I belive the manager will get another season to get it right.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:08:20
I would love to see the stats to show how many of our own throw ins we give the ball straight ack to the other team, simply because none of our players could be bothered to show for it.

Having said that I really do think we have the right man in charge and given time for the squad to settle and mature, I think we are going to be a very good side. Jaffer81


There is clear contradiction in your 2 statements.
Roy


 

 

15 Feb 2013 22:07:25
Can't wait to see sturridge back on Sunday, we've missed him big time. I have a sneaky feeling coutinho will start too. I can't understand why we haven't seen anything of assaidi especially with downing and sterling's poor performances.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:53:46
Anyone asking for Rodgers to be sacked simply isn't a true fan or has no concept on what it takes to build and coach a successful team!
This season was never about 4th or trophys it was about getting rid of the very average players we had on superstar wages and giving our youngsters a chance to come through while also bringing a new style of play throughout the club!

I'm not concerned about this season and I'd rather go through short term pain to reap the rewards in the next 2 or 3 seasons, how can you so called fans turn on Rodgers after a few duff results and yet only a few weeks ago the same fans were saying the future was bright under him?

The only thing we are missing is consistency and learning to hit the back of the net more regularly! Had Sturridge been fit for west brom and not cup tied yesterday we could be discussing two wins and everthing would of been Rosey!
People are fickle sometimes but true fans would see that had reina and our defenders not made so many silly individual mistakes and had we been more composed in front of goal we could easily be in 4th now!

Can the manager really be responsible for those mistakes?

Can he also be responsible when we dominate the likes of city and arsenal but individual errors cost us goals and points?

I for one will support him through this tough period and any others we face because that's what being a true Liverpool fan is about isn't it?

If we sack him we are back to square one and if fsg truely have a long term vision then they need to give Brendan all of next season and maybe the season after to prove he can make us great again!

YNWA Means something to true fans and we need to give the team and manager our support!

Juppy 1976


Juppy,
Fans are entitled to their opinions. If they believe Rodgers is not the man to improve the team then they are entitled to call for a change.
One of the stupidest things you can do is to continue to make the same mistake. Continuing with a failing manager will not do the club any favours.
Stop abusing people who have a different opinion to you. Ultimately the board decides Brendan's fate and what you, I or any other fan thinks or writes will not come into consideration when the board assesses Brendan's performance.


I wholeheartedly agree! Finally, someone not here to moan about baseless issues and things taken far out of context. Rodgers can only do so much, the team has to do the rest.

ChrisMiz


Everyone needs to realise that the buck stops with the manager ask your self why do the players keep playing bad why isn't the riot ack been told to them this job i'm now realisng is far to big for him

mike


Baseless issues

surely spending 50-60 million on playerswith only one of them really guaranteed a starting place is base enoughfor most arguments

tom1975


We have spent that money on young players to build a successful team for a numbers of years and they will take time to grow, develope and coach into a top 4 side!
Is it so hard to understand that without champions league the top players won't come to us or we have to pay stupid wages and risk our existence again?

Anyone who has ever coached or managed anyone in there lives will realise building something great and competing against city and Chelsea's millions will take time and 7 months or so for Rodgers isn't enough!

When he has got it right we look very good so in happy to give him time

Juppy 1976


Two good posts Juppy 1976 - I second
them both

Puzzled


The spending was made more difficult as we were also trying to reduce the wage bill. It's not as straight forward as it appears.

It's been disappointing that Borini has made little impact and Allen has faded after an encouraging start, but some players take a while to settle. Hendersen for example.

And we're not immune to signings not being instant success. Kagawa at United or any of Cities summer signings.

Have patience however difficult!

Raoul


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:29:32
Has anyone seen the nice banner the zenit fans made us last night It was very colourful its on Jose Enrique s Twitter account


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:16:28
Anyone agree Stewart downing looks like Casey Afleck?

Square tomato


He plays like him as well


 

 

15 Feb 2013 21:11:35
Does it matter whether BR was the right choice or not? That decision was made so you can't do anything to change it. Now that he is our manager, why not actually support him instead of whining like a 6 year old on this page? Also why are you lot suddenly being very harsh on him? Not liking his management is one thing but actually picking things that he says in interviews and slating him for it is just hate. If he isn't good enough to manage us, its not his fault is it? He was offered the job and took it, which was very brave considering he was leaving Swansea where he was very comfortable. Now he is trying to do his best, and if it isn't working it doesn't mean you hate on him. You lot should be ashamed.

One other thing, why do some on here feel the need to say they've been 'season ticket holders since blah blah'? Do you think that automatically elevates your opinion? Because it doesnt, and it just makes you look like an arrogant person.

Hounsred


For Brendan to describe last night as a "near perfect away performance" makes him look like a complete tool and is trying to con the fans.
Be honest with the fans and they will respect you. Treat the fans with contempt and they will respond to that.

What difference does it make to Rodgers or the team if people sound off on an Internet forum?
Answer: No difference what so ever.

So why are people being criticised for voicing an opinion? No one has the right to control our thoughts, so if you don't like it then tough.


15 Feb 2013 23:43:01
What he said was right. If we had not conceded those sloppy late goals it would have been a perfect away performance in europe. Did you see Juventus getting dominated by Celtic? and Manchester United absorbing all the Madrid pressure? Rafa used to specialise in not playing well but not conceding in the away leg, and then winning the home leg.

Hounsred


Didn't JC also say the same thing. don't see anyone critising him.


So a near perfect away performance consists of missing half a dozen chances and going to sleep in defence when your opponents attack?

Rodgers is good at this brain washing trick.
Think he should be renamed Derren Rodgers


 

 

15 Feb 2013 20:26:47
If there's one player I could sign in the summer, it would be Xabi Alonso. Yes there are others needed, he's be expensive and on relatively high wages. But what he'd bring in leadership, skill, quality on the ball and his experience is almost priceless. He'd instantly improve our starting eleven and greatly improve our play. In home games I'd imagine him and Gerrard could dominate, with Coutinho, Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge really thriving off the service. He'd also give a lot to the younger players such as Allen, Suso, Henderson and Shelvey as Gerrard does.

People say we need strength in midfield and whilst he's not physically built like a tank, his positioning and tackling ability with give our team a stronger backbone. People might say I'm being sentimental, but in big games this year it's clear that Allen, Shelvey and others are nowhere near ready to cope with the mental and physical challenge.

I'd hope for a younger but similar class of centre half to replace Coates/Carra with Skrtel also potentially off it's crucial that we sign smart this summer, but being in experience and not potential.

Papa G


Alonso got in the team of the year, and loves our club. Signing him would be both practical and sentimental, however unfortunately it will be unlikely.
derryred


Sounds like that centre half is Ashley Williams. What's people's opinions?

Personally I feel he'd be a good replacement for Carra, but he is prone to defensive errors and isn't that the major problem this season.

Papa G


He's fantastic but not what we need immediately. We are weak in midfield despite the number of them we have.

We need a midfield bully boy.

I was very surprised we didn't push for Sissoko.

rikdangerous


Yep it goes against everything that we are supposed to be doing young, low wages etc. he's an old player, high wages etc etc BUT sometimes in life you have to make a decision that goes against what you have said you are doing and I think he would be great on the pitch and even better in the changing room and for those who've played whether its pro, sat or Sunday league footy it makes a difference.

Reusch.


If Williams is coming in, it means Suarez is leaving.

Personally, I prefer to keep Suarez.


Look we've all said something we regret if he comes and I don't think he will shake hands like men and crack on with the job.

Reusch.


I would be 95 percent certain that suarez will be leaving

tom1975


 

 

15 Feb 2013 20:25:56
We need owners who are passionate about the club as much as us, not, not visit the club for almost a year

Owners that when they see the table standings get just as frustrated as the fans

Look at abramovich, whilst he's a little on the extreme side he shows that succes is all he's after by hiring top managers, top players and top youth prospects

Our owners haven't got a clue about footy and have made no effort to show they do, we are quite sinply 2nd on their priority list (if we are lucky) to the Red Sox

They are slowly turning us into a mid/lower team table opting for unproven players no big team wants on cheaper contract

The only time theyd show any emotion is when we dnt reach CL but they care not for trophies etc

Tired of this


Much as I hate to say it I think the only good rodgers player signed is dan sturridge, we really need an out and out number nine like torres, rush or fowler, playing the 3 up front when only 1 is capable of scoring is futile, the football is ok but there are too many sideways passes in midfield and barca we aint, I really wanted rogers to work but i'm beginning to have my doubts, btw I am not going to slag off fsg because god knows where we would have been if they had nt have stepped in, I just don't think we have improved to any extent since last year.


To "Tired of this"

That's the same owners that due to the abuse can't attend games?

The same owners that have spent money getting players off the books (J Cole, etc. ) Have backed Daglinsh and now BR (BR has spent £50m + in two windows with little return).

You mention the same Abramovich that has changed his loan to Chelsea into shares to meet financial fair play - also Chelsea agreed to vote "for" ffp recently.

I'm not sitting here supporting them but get your facts straight before knocking them.

Hoola


I think you'll find we were in decline before they bought the club.

RB


To Hoola Hoop

I never said they didn't spend money but its THEM who hired rodgers dalglish jen chang etc whove not delivered

Its THEIR policy of buying preferably Young and british which has failed thus far

They aren't terrible owners byt so far they are failing due to their decision making


Hi Tired,

Thanks for the reply and I agree the supporters aren't happy where we are, nor the owners, players or manager.

There will always be an element of buying young british players (due to the hom grown rule) however coutinho, borini, assadi, yesil fit into the young but are not British, only Allen (having a bad season) and Sturridge (looks a star already


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:59:50
We need a 2nd striker in the next window. Don't know why Borini is not getting a chance. Might still not be fit or doing it in training but we need 2 be playing 2 up front all the time.

Hope this doesn't sound like I'm knocking a legend and I know we looked vulnerable before Carra came back into the team but we have dropped 10 yards and to me that just invites teams on and makes too much space for the holding midfielders to look after.

Sterling has been a shadow of his previous form and personally think he should be stuck in the reserves for a while. Let him find his form again.

Other than that I don't think the team is too far away. Been unlucky with a few results. Beatable teams in the next few games.

Gazza


Borini is not getting a chance because he's not good enough!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:57:27
Seems like we're in a real bad spot at the moment doesn't it.
Everyone calling for BR to be sacked, it's not going to happen. We can't simply change our manager every year and spend millions changing things to suit their style. That's not to say I think BR is the manager to take us forward, I think it was a big mistake taking him ahead of Rijkaard, Van Gaal, Rafa or even Villas Boas, but we've done it now, another managerial mistake on top of Hodgson and Daglish. These small team managers or managers who have been away for decades are not the ones to take us to champions league (tip for the future). So it seems we'll have to stick it out with Br for the next few years, and just pray he realizes the error of ways in the transfer market and team selection and not continue to drag us down.
What we need to do in the next window is stop buying British Kids and buy some experienced (at a good level) foreign attackers who can scare defenders. No more Henderson's or Allen's because when the opposition see them in the team sheet, do you really believe they'll be thinking "we need to watch them two, their 5 yards passing from side to side could really cause problems" :/

Dynamo


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:27:34
I don't understand the herd mentality that's so prevalent on this page. The treatment given out to Assaidi is a prime example. After his first game, he was heralded as the quicksilver winger we had been waiting for, and how BR & coaching team had unearthed a gem of a player. And everyone agreed and made sure they posted it. And now that the guy has not played too often (for reasons clearly unknown to most) he is suddenly another bad buy and on everyone's to sell list on posts!

How can you write off a guy just because he's not in the starting XI? A squad is always going to have players who will not be played that often. Okay, now i'll wait for the abuse to come showering in. ra1969


A totally sensible post IMO. Well done!

Gav


Surely if he was any good he d have forced his way into the starting 11 by now


Agree, I to this day still feels he's been one of BR's good signings. Miles better than downing, drifting past players with ease, making things happen. Hope he plays soon and shows BR and all the haters (not that he's done anything for him to be disliked) what a good player he is.


Personally I've never really liked Assaidi, all style no substance. We need players with a product and goal in those crucial 3 positions and for all of his talented dribbling, I don't think he's made a killer pass, cross or has a goal to his name.

He's got talent no doubt, but think the league is too physical for him. I'd imagine he'll be back to Holland come summer, with Ince being his replacement.

Papa G


I seriously am struggling to remember Assaidi ever playing? What's he gotten, maybe 30 minutes on the pitch so far?

I don't see many (if any) slagging him off, most are just wondering why he isn't playing (or even on the bench majority of the time).


I really don't think Assaidi was on Buck's wish list! Do's anyone remember Tom Werner coming out with a statement saying we're signing a player to excite the fan's? Well I think Mr. Werner was behind Assaidi's arrival!


I wasn't commenting on Assaidi as much as I was commenting on the sudden (and sometimes violent) pendulum shifts in peoples' opinions out here. True, no fan or supporter is all knowing, but we could do with a little bit of reason, restraint and patience in both praise and dismissal! ra1969


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:25:49
hey guys.

ANY FAN. can have a bad opinion about rodgers! simple. just as its their own right to eat pizza all day so can those posters give it a rest.

secondly rodgers can be blamed for his part. which is buying 10 mill on borini and whatever for assaidi to WARM the bench. just keep the money. if they ain't good enough why bother aye. keep the damn money
and allen was just well I don't know. for 15 mil there are plenty more players who have genuine quality and experience but anyway

my beef with the manager is his choice of players and lack tactics


Massively agree with you mate


If he didn't buy those players then who would sit on the bench. subs are a necessity you know.

Nevada


Agreed 50 million spent

1 first teamer sturridge gained

coutinho isn t an utomatic first teamer


My beef with the manager is wasting money on poor players, his starting line up, his bad tactics, not playing Assaidi, and insulting me by saying we played well when its obvious we didn't!


( coutinho isn t an utomatic first teamer)

hes only here a fecking wet week give the lad a chance.

RB


Are you sure it's beef


Rb he is not someone who has joined who can safely say will make the starting 11 very week

good prospect for the future. but not a proven game changer for the here and now

tom1975


'Are you sure it's beef'

Stop horsing around.

Simon


 

 

15 Feb 2013 19:21:50
are all lfc fans like me. when the opposition get a corner I sh-t me self. when we get one its wasted


Get some Pampers before watching the match next time


Yep that's because of Reina


For at least the last three seasons, I've sat at home games with my mate and we have said exactly what you have said over and over.
We expect to see a goal conceded when ever we defend a corner, and as for an attacking one, most of the time the ball does'nt beat the near post its a joke.
redtilimdead


 

 

15 Feb 2013 18:37:35
We've hit a poor run of form at a really inconvinient time. People, over the last week, have been disheartened by the last couple of games as we needed the wins to establish a boost in our push for top four.

But I wholeheartedly believe its not over yet. We can still get lucky and achieve it dependant on if we start winning games and making a solid run and secondly how well our rivals do.

If you don't already know, take a look on the tv at the remaining fixtures for ourselves and the other teams above us. We have a much easier looking lineup and most of the top teams still have eachother to play.

I won't lie, I have not been to anfield yet but trust me its somthing I am working hard on. However I implore you fans making the journey across countries and even continents to see our beloved club play to not give up until the 90 mins is over.

Cheer the team even in the face of despair and maybe they might just hear you. Stranger things have happened in football than a 2-0 fightback.

Noshbag


Well to get 4th place it usually takes 69 (ish) points, therefore we need to win 11 out of our next 12 games. Do you honestly think we're going to do that. ?

Season over by mid february- disgraceful

something needs to change.


Maybe we can keep our manager for more than a season. That will be a nice change.
derryred


Clueless rodgers thinks we can still get fourth. then again he thought last night was a near perfect performance!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 18:35:25
I don't think we can blame FSG at all. They have given us countless millions just to watch it be pissed away. I actually feel really sorry for them. Maybe they are amateurs and therefore sanction deals for these players when they should think otherwise, but it's the manager who's picking these players!

Don't call for FSG out as they're supplying millions each transfer window. Their plans on redeveloping anfield are also on schedule. What more do you want them to do?


15 Feb 2013 20:05:35
Fsg employed the manager
Gary m


Gary M, exactly!


And that, Gary M, I think is a very fair debatable point. What isn't fair is blaming the owners directly for the results or the acquisition (or lack thereof) of XYZ player. They've done their bit for the club financially- can't understand the criticism of them for that.


16 Feb 2013 15:26:48
I'm not saying Fsg are bad owners - financially I can't fault them but to have absolutely no one at the club with top level European experience is in my opinion negligent, you can't allow a manager of Brendan's relative inexperience carte Blanche at a club the size of ours he's desperate for a Dof to take some of the pressure off him - if it's true he told the owners he wasn't prepared to work under one then we should have looked elsewhere.
Gary M {Ed002's Note - It is exactly what he doesn't want, but I agree he needs help. The club is aware of that.}


 

 

15 Feb 2013 18:28:20
Got a bit of stick about my age after my last post in which I criticised those calling for BRs head after what was admittedly, a poor week for lfc. Seriously, the arrogance of some fans on here because of our achievements 25 years ago is embarrassing.
Why don't you look at the present- Our overall play has improved drastically this season and we can now dominate any team in the division on our day. Ok, we lack a bit of mental strength on occasion but this will develop over time and not by abusing the players! We are good to watch this year and have one of the youngest teams in the league, including BR who is only 39 himself!
Contrary to the popular belief that it is the fifa generation who stink up these pages with rubbish about hulk eriksen etc it seems to be the sad old gits who can't let go of the past who fabricate this nonsense.
For all the doubters Mourinho rates BR very highly and that, combined with the style implemented at swansea (who are still reaping the benefits) and at lfc this season I really believe in BR and his team and think its a matter of time before we return to the top 4.
P. S. For those who don't agree why don't you actually participate in the debate rather than just slag me off because i'm 19- bit of maturity would be appreciated.
Zeus Katz


15 Feb 2013 19:32:11
Mate your foolish if you think we have progress and the average age vs west brom was 28 not young there and which play your talking about passing sideways and backwards. You need to wake up rodgers spent 60M+ to move us up the table compare to last year which he has massively failed.

You want people to have faith in a manager who himself has lost faith in his players, whenever we need striker to come and help us he never uses borini and his ready to play shelvey as striker instead of borini that's how bad his manager skills are whenever we need left wing as sterling is struggling he won't play assaidi because he doesn't have faith in his own players.

You want people to continue support rodgers when the truth is apparent everyone to see, or your happy to give rodgers more money to waste and continue more damage to this great club.

Rodgers is out of his depth you like it or not we need some changes as soon as possible before more damage has been done to this great club. Another two defeat will be in religation fight that's how bad rodgers has taken this great club. Just take out rodgers tinted glassess and you will be able to see everything


Zeus, it's you who needs maturity describing fans of 30+ years as "slack jawed yokels".
You need to understand, and when you grow up you will, that it's the fans which have made this club great. Fans who have been around through genuine world class managers and teams and terrible horrific tragedies. These fans have been there, done it, worn the club shirt and seen more football matches than you've had hot dinners.
So how about you get a bit of maturity and a bit of bloody respect for your elders. Then you might get people to take you seriously.


It was unrealistic that we would ever get top 4 this season with the changes that were needed for long term success.

We've played we'll in the last 4 games but not got the results we deserved mainly due to individual errors.

Brendan is slowly but surely getting his type of player in and moulding the team. The January window was good for us with Sturridge and Coutinho in. Just give Rodgers the summer window and a bit more time and we will come good.


I am sorry, but I don't agree with you here. I am also sort of young, but I respect the opinion of those who are older, than those who supported us straight after the champions league win in 2005. Just don't try to argue with your own supporters.

Piledriver


Liverpool have dominated teams for years. what's new?

The Irish Rover


Brendan is slowly but surely getting his type of player in and moulding the team.

=============================
How stupid ; Can you explain why most of Brendan's buys are either on the bench or back at home watching tele

Roy


What are you guys. Prophets? God! you seem to know everything

1) Borini had a broken foot and was out for a long period. BR watches him train everyday so why not let him make these decisions. He is a capped international player for his country. Every player needs a good run of games to have an opinion about him and I don't think he has got one yet. So why not wait!

2) Allen was the bright spot in 1st half of season along with Suarez. Any doubts?. Since then there has been dip in his form/confidence due to fatigue or whatever reason. Now if BR is choosing a player who currently is playing better than Allen which in this case is Hendo then he is slated for benching his signing.

If he keeps on playing Allen to justify his signing even then he gets slated for being his GodFather!. what's better. Hmmm. I think he is putting team interest in front of his sugar boy so that's definately better.

3) Assaidi has shown flashes of excellence but not enough to warrant a starting place. Anything wrong? Then he didn't settled well due to language problem, absence of same language speaking players in team, injury etc. Been away to ACON and has only just came back.

4) Sturridge- Hope no arguments here.

5) Coutinho- I think every LFC fan wanted him to sign and he has. Again anything wrong with BR decision/signing or we just need to slate/hang him.

Indian with Red Heart


 

 

15 Feb 2013 18:10:55
So loads want Brendan to go?
But we can't keep getting new managers in then spend shed loads on getting their players, staff etc in.
Whoever comes won't always get it right straight away. mistakes will always happen along the way. Yes its bad when it happens but maybe just maybe if we stick with it we can turn the corner.

Worrying times I know

Paisleys Slippers


 

 

15 Feb 2013 17:49:06
I don't know why fans want Rodgers out his trying his best, its not rodgers fault if we finish 10-13 its owners who are not backing Rodgers and forcing him to buy young players instead of experience if owners continue their policies and force Rodgers to buy young players then will continue to struggle. If owners back rodgers without forcing their pollicies will be winning league titles and qualify for champions league year after year that's how good rodgers is trust me Rodgers is world class so support him and blame the owners who don't know what their doing, this is not american sports where you sell all your experience players and force your manager to bring young players and expect to finish in top4. please my fellow fans support rodgers


His best is patently not good enough.


How much has BR spent on transfers?


I think you would find that no one is 'forcing' Rodgers to buy young players.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 17:16:41
well I for one still think we can overturn zenit next thursday!we have been in more difficult situations than this and still won, I'm travelling over next thursday for the match and can't bloody wait, I'm going to be priviledged enough to stand on the Kop watching the team I love, surrounded by what I think are still the best fans in the world!I'm going to sing my heart out and do my bit to hopefully make it a great night
NAVANRED


Hope I can hear you at the Annie Rd end Navan!

Phooey.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 17:13:04
people, we are all forgetting Liverpool are a team in transition. we aren't miles away from succcess but we just let ourselves down with poor errors from the players. BRENDAD IS IN NO WAY TO BLAME. the players need to improve mentality or face getting shipped. once we go a goal down we never even look like coming back

STAY STRONG AND FAITHFUL FELLOW REDS

MadRed32


Just answer me this
If BR is not to blame for bad displays how can he be praised for good ones?
This argument, that I keep hearing, makes no sense

Chris in Tamworth


And who instills that mindset in the player? Answer: the manager.

And what is this 'period of transition' we keep going on about? It takes 3-4 games for a manager to implement his style- not a few seasons {Ed001's Note - not true, it takes time to coach a team. Long term improvements come through coaching, not simply managing. That is why under Houllier we had instant improvement, followed by long term decline. I would rather take a bit of short term pain and give time to see how the coaching works.}


Ok, Brendan keeps on repeating "I can't fault the players"

To all the Rodgers lovers, your man can't fault the players. Yet you lot can't blame the manager.

One of these 2 points of view has to be incorrect. I'd say the manager is right, it's not the players fault, it's his.

It is a football absolute that the manager is responsible for results.


Agree with Ed001: But I will say this no amount of coaching can give a player an instinct to get in the box and finish.
I would like to see Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge and Suso all start on Sunday all players with natural ability that havn't been over coached, backed up by Henderson for work rate and Lucas for calmness and positional covering. With Stevie and Carra rested.

kidmillions


BR is primarily to blame. That being said I don't want to see him sacked. Yes he's made a lot of mistakes this year, showed a lack of experience and maturity. However, I think he's improved over the year and has been learning from those mistakes. It has been painful to watch and probably will continue to be but there can eventually be an upside if patience is shown.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 17:04:05
Hi Eds,

Is there actually any chance of Rodgers leaving at the end of the season?

Personally I think he is on he right tracks with Liverpool and we just need things to click a bit more.

Thanks

JTR {Ed002's Note - This has been done to death JTR.}


I click but then I have got arthritus.

kidmillions


What can I search to find it then? I have read the banter pages and it doesn't seem as if there is anything concrete just you guys replying yo people questions about managers being available.
Thanks

JTR


 

 

15 Feb 2013 17:01:47
this season has been a disaster apart from sterling breaking through I personally think we are miles behind where we were last year. bad buys allen borini. we are wasting big mony on **** players. lucky to finish top ten, no european football for years to come. we will lose suearez and gerrard won't be able to attract top players. it all started when the americans took over and rafa went. seriously guys agree or disagree.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:59:52
You would have to be a person to say things are going well. Also, the amount we spend on players would expect a better return. We're not at Chelsea/city level but we spend a lot!

But, getting rid of Rodgers is a mistake for the club after this season. The biggest hurdle is keeping Suarez, if we do that, I think next year is the telling year.


You've just said things are not going well and we've spent poorly. Why would you keep Rodgers, and don't give he will come good because that is not based on any facts. The facts I have in front of me are, he hasn't won anything ans has spent a year (a year! hell lol) and you think he's going to challenge.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:43:00
I tell you a fact from this season not my opinion. a fact.
We got rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy last summer. The script was; we have experienced players we need younger players to mix in with the senior players to add pace and endeavour.
Early on we saw a lot Wisdom, Sterling, Suso, Allen and also Shelvey and Borini. After an horrendous start to the season none of the youngsters could be blamed.
We actually revelled in the fact that we were fielding the youngest side in the Premiership.
All the above players have by and large dissapeared from the starting line up.
The average age of our team against West Brom was 28. far from being a young side.
Rodgers; backed by Steven Gerrard has recently started stating how we now need experience. In that case why didn't we keep Kuyt and Maxi both experienced model professionals with no fitness problems and capable of putting the ball in the net.
Carroll and Bellamy I can see that.
But even back then I couldn't see Maxi and Kuyt, now it's proved right we should have really gone all out to keep them for one more season.

kidmillions


I agree kidmillions, it was a bit worrying at the start of the season that not just the age/experience was gone from the side but proven goalscorers were gone. And I think that's one thing we've never really replaced.

Maxi and Kuyt were almost herded out of the club as the talk of youth and shipping out the old sort of told them to sling their 'ook!

misterdrumz


Completly agree I really wish we had tried harder to keep bellamy. I know he wanted to go back to cardiff but I think we could of got him to stay one more season. If we still had him he mite showen sterling were the goal is lol.

Antrim Red


I agree with maybe maxi but kuyt was an over paid average player, yes he worked hard every game and credit to him, but his touch was awful and he didn't have enough pace!


To be honest, Kenny had the likes of Kuyt and Maxi winning all over the place in his first half season.

It only went off the rails when he started his first full season, and played the players he'd brought in. Most of them were worse at the pass-and-move game than the players he already had, but he had to stick by his choices.

Maxi on the left and Kuyt on the right in every game would've given us more goals and won a lot more games last season than Downing and co.

KK was a good man manager, but he couldn't buy a decent player to save his life.


KK bought Suarez, Barnes, Beardsley, Rush, Aldridge. Hamman and Given for Newcastle, Shearer and Sutton for Blackburn.
Can't buy a decent player eh? Only a fool would say that


My major issue with the youngsters is they are massively overrated, or, to be more polite about it, the supporters expectations of them are set way too high.

Sterling is decent, but he's no Oxlade-Chamberlain who is of a similar age and position and quite a bit further along.

Shelvey and Allen are okay and I think Henderson quite a bit better that either, but none of them are the level of Jack Wilshere (who is only 1 month older than Shelvey!).

Coutinho is a bit of an unknown, but perhaps the fairest comparison is with his Brazillian counterpart Oscar. Oscar has 13 caps and 4 goals for a very good Brazilian side, Phillipe just a single cap to his name.

Borini I like quite a lot (I can't really explain why), but he's only 18 months younger or so than our own Daniel Sturridge and just a few months younger than his countryman Mario Balotelli, yet for me they are miles apart in terms of capability and skill set.

This is by no means an attempt to belittle our younger players as I hope they all go on to have huge careers for our club, just trying to show that perhaps we're expecting a bit much at their current capability level.


KK was a good man manager, but he couldn't buy a decent player to save his life.


What a joke

Kennys buys were not given time


Aye, and Rodgers is relying more so on the "flops" from last season above his own signings.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:41:18
Posted in november BR problem is his own he brought a system with him.
You canot play three up front with only one scoreing this system needs flexibily up front Downing and co do not have the ability to drag and pull defenders around.
we play with midfeild players out wide and wide players on bench.
The opertunity for him is still there at present we need to go 4_4_2 at least defenders will have to work to contain two stikers
I will always support the club after watching for 48 years but not all suporters our persons
Brenden has time to learn but time runs out.


I agree with this to a certain extent.

If you look at Swansea, they might have had say Routledge, Graham, and Dyer as a front three. Graham is essentially a poacher, Dyer and Routledge are sort of combo winger/forwards. Neither is really excellent at being a winger and neither is really excellent at being a forward, but both are good at cutting in and trying to score or staying wide and lumping in a cross.

Switching to us- we had say Sterling, Suarez, and Downing. Well, Sterling and Downing are really both out-and-out wingers (and excellent ones to a degree) but both are terrible forwards. Combined with Suarez not really being a poacher/Graham-type but a more creative type and you have a serious problem on your hands. Now with Sturridge we have a poacher of sorts (although he's far more than that) and a class creative forward with Suarez. I say play those 2 up front with 4 quality mids behind them. Something like a 4-1-3-2, as an example, would suit the players we have now much better I think.


Very well put without slagging the manager and every single player.
I've said the same thing.
Suarez and Sturridge with two banks of 4 behind them. Simples

kidmillions


My problem with Downing and Sterling is they NEVER beat any defenders! and if they get a cross in to the area there is never enough attackers to meet the cross! whose fault is that?


A rigid 442 is dead in modern football. You just get overrun in midfield and with Suarez you can never guarantee he will be where you need him when we lose the ball meaning Sturridge would need to drop back and you lose what you wanted to gain with 2 up. 433 and its variations 4231, 4123 etc gets you more options in attack and defence against most teams around at the moment. It's just we don't have the players yet either through coaching or transfers to do the jobs that are required in midfield or wide forwards (not wingers). We are playing square pegs in round holes at the moment.

Simon


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:29:26
Im sorry I know were divided between those that love the manager and those that don't but without the rose tinted goggles its results that matter not fancy visions etc etc,
Joe Average at home watching a game of football isn't analysing somebodys system or wondering whether the new way of playing is going to reap benefits, he's watching to see if its a good game and most importantly to see if the team he follows can hopefully win, now i'm sorry for all these posters of the manager needs time and many other similar stories but the facts are the facts,
The results at the end of the day are poor, what if next season reaps the same, are the season ticket holders who also spend on everything else that comes with attending a football match expected to say oh well let's give him more time becasue his system needs tweaking?, no they're not, they're going to expect results and nothing else, ask Arsenal fans who were paying money to watch the George Graham era they'll tell you they were bored stiff some weeks but the feeling of winning was all that mattered,
Some people are getting carried away about things that don't really matter, were here for one thing in this game, were here to win and if we don't win and that goes for any other club too then the manager is placed under scrutiny and expected to somehow dig us out,
We are Liverpool football club for bobs sake, we shouldn't be signing potential every two minutes we should be signing the best players available otherwise we become a standard mid table club like any other in that group,
Im not offended by the bringing through of youth but we seem to be going way too far with it in my book and something needs to change before the slide really starts,
I hope Brendan Rodgers dossier is worth the effort and wait because at this rate he'll need to fit that blessed book in one of those 3 envelopes somehow.

Lawrences flying pig


You know if the results stay the same next season the pro rodgers fans will come up with another excuse as to why the results have not came. There is no point trying to explain to them because they have red tinted glasses.

Antrim Red


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:21:12
Made me laugh from the Guardian

Sales of Brendan Rodgers's contact lenses have soared in the hours since the Liverpool manager described his team's 2-0 defeat at Zenit St Petersburg as a "near perfect away performance", with one delighted new Merseyside purchaser already hailing her breakfast of cold toast and tea as "close to a culinary masterpiece" and another calling his trudge in the London rain to work as "an almost blissful frolic through a tropical wonderland". As the entire Liverpool squad made their way back from Russia on the back of a single ageing mule ("a practically regal mode of transport!", according to Rodgers), the manager turned to Joe Allen ("a £15m player!", according to Rodgers) and explained: "Listen, we are 1, 350 miles from Anfield and travelling at 0. 01 miles per hour so, according to my calculations, we should be home in time for the end of This Morning with Eamonn Holmes, who is basically a prophet. "


Got to say, I love it when the odd bit of humour creeps in on this site. this and the hulk/rodgers conspiracy on the main rumours page have lightened the mood on here today.

cheers all.

misterdrumz


 

 

15 Feb 2013 15:51:46
It was a rhetorical question ed002 when I stated were cryuff and van gal an option as SD. Edd quick question for yourself, what manger do you rate or should I say like in the highest reguard?At this recent time I admire paco jemez, he really is a good manager'

Big Al {Ed002's Note - Managers have different attributes, some are really nice guys, some are exceptional coaches but not so nice guys etc.. Some would be suited to one job but not to others.}


 

 

15 Feb 2013 16:03:31
Sterling has left twitter 'to be more professional'.
No doubt he actually left from the abuse the fans bombard the poor lad with. He's 18. Shelvey 20. Borini 21. Allen 22. Get off their backs and give them a chance ffs. Henderson's currently proving that he's a player regardless of a lot of fans saying he wasn't fit to wear the shirt. Downing likewise. I'm behind the team and the manager 100%. I believe we're going in the right direction with the current owners and management system. Keep slating the owners, the manager and the players. i'm sure a lot of you will be eating your words in time.

KingHeskey


Look the money they earn, if any of them were my son. I would tell to get off twitter and stay off. Small sacrifice I think if you want to be a great footballer.

kidmillions


No Sterling wants to stop partying and play for the badge.

Ozone


 

 

15 Feb 2013 15:58:45
Apparently Christian perslow is not convinced that fsg will stay owners of Liverpool I can't say that I know if this is true but it was on koptalk.

Purslow said: "It's too early to tell [if FSG are good owners]. I think the way to judge football clubs is over the very long term and they have been there a comparatively very short time.

"I think they would say it's been a very challenging, transitional period and in particular coming after a financial crisis that has probably given them a road map on how not to do it in terms obviously of financial risk taking but also perhaps I think today a fear of getting it wrong than more than the courage to get it right.

"I would have said at the time of the sale that I would have thought so [that they would stay long term]. Their experience at the Red Sox is now over 10 years and I think they bought Liverpool with the intention that it was a long term project but I suspect they probably expected it to be easier than it's turned out to be.

"Some things have gone wrong for them that they couldn't possibly have foreseen. The Financial Fair Play (FFP) regime in my opinion, they have accorded far too much certainty and value to that, the speed of which it would take effect and the extent that it would hurt the two rivals, Manchester City and Chelsea. It was probably factored in and I'm certain that it feels like a slower effect, if at all.

"I think they probably thought what can be difficult about refurbishing an existing stadium, but with the greatest respect to them, the two previous regimes, including my one, would have looked at that every way up and it's not easy so that's gone nowhere.

"I thought it was an extremely significant quote (John Henry telling the Boston media that Liverpool wasn't a distraction) and that's the third thing that changed. When they bought Liverpool they were coming off the back of a fantastic season with the Red Sox and I remember them telling me they were, quote, the most popular owners in American sport, unquote, that would not be true today on the back of a couple of very difficult seasons [in America].

"The fact of the matter is that all fans, Boston and Liverpool are no different, want to feel that their club has the undivided attention and resources of its owners and management team. That quote suggested that John [Henry] feels the needs to reassure his Boston fan base that he's not spending too much time in Liverpool and that feels to me a tricky situation.

"For all those reasons I'd be less certain about the likelihood of them being there [as owners of Liverpool Football Club] in the long run as I was when I sold them the club. "

Sorry for the long copy and paste eds just thought I would share that. Source KopTalk

Antrim Red


Koptalk got that from last nights "The football show" himself and David Gold and David Dein we're on it, it was quite an interesting listen tbh.

He didn't seem all that confident that he had picked the right owners tbh.

Plymouth Red.


Yeah mate I didn't see that show but from that answer he gives he doesn't seem to be to happy. I think he also said that the deal was the bottom of the barrel which doesn't fill me with hope for the future.

Antrim Red


Christian Purslow! Who sacked Rafa and brought Roy in! "He did'nt look that confident that he picked the right owner's! Nearly two and an half year's after the fact! Sound's like person Parry! Ar'nt those two suppose to be Red's!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 15:54:52
Did anyone complain when we signed the players BR so don't act like you knew they were going to be rubbish.


Anyone who has watched a game of football in there life could see borini is garbage


Doesnt matter if they didn't complain, as you just said they are rubbish, so now we can see, **** yes we will complain.


Yes I did, did n't think Allen was a good buy, not because I think he is rubbish on the contrary I think he is a decent player, but not what our team need, I could n't see him replacing Lucas or Gerrard, and with Henderson and Jonjo we had cover in that position. Borini is not the type of striker we should've been after, it was clear we either needed a poacher if we were to attack from the wings in, or a dribbler with similar style to Iniesta or Messi (and I don't mean the same quality and value) but someone that goes through the middle between the defenders. Borini like to play from the side in similar to Suarez which allows the opposition defense to stay around the edge and wait for either of them to come in. I was apprehensive about Sturridge because I thought he was another one that comes from the side in, but so far he played through the middle and getting his rewards with few useful goals.
I also thought giving Carroll away was not a good idea, I think he should 've kept him till Jan at least and worked on/with him in a similar way he used Danny Graham at Swansea last year.

Roy


Actually I think a lot of people were quite annoyed at us spending 15 million on allen.

seriously who on earth is running this club, we continually waste money on utter rubbish


Agreeing with roy here

didntwant allen and certainly not for 16 million.

borini didn't want himeither

coutinho a rather large gamble

sturridge iffy but he gets goals

tom1975


 

 

15 Feb 2013 15:29:00
Really sick of all the hate- its just embarrassing at this point. LFC fans are seriously a laughing stock! i'm 19 and even I know that we are moving forward- all these 'diehard red for 30 years' clowns are just slack jawed yokels without 2 IQ points to rub together! It is them that holds this club back and the abuse that they hurl at underperforming players is actually disgraceful. Don't they see they are ruining young players like allen and borini who are now terrified of making a mistake- just like henderson and downing before them. LFC is an amazing club but the long wait for success has made the fans bitter- what were once the best fans in england are now among the worst. What really sickens me is 3 games ago all the posts read "4 points from city and arsenal and top 4 is achievable". Now apparently we are on the verge of relegation! Some people need to grow up and shut their mouths. can't wait to come back gloating when BR silences the doubters. Til then.
Zeus Katz


Well said lad


Absolutely excellently said pal. Sometimes I'm ashamed to support the same team that some of the abusers on here do.

Muzzafan


19 and you start slagging those who've supported the club before you were born.

Come back when you start shaving son.


I definitely agree with you on a few points you make Zeus. I am too a bit baffled to hear "die-hard supporters" constant negativity. I myself find a tremendous amount of difference in being a "fan" and being a "supporter". A true supporter is there through the good and the bad, because there is going to be both in football. Expecting perfection every game/season is hugely unrealistic and could be detrimental to morale and team confidence. Change isn't instant, but we as supporters can help get behind our team as we tackle the challenges and setbacks on our return to greatness. Not blindly, but boldly as true supporters. YNWA

FL Red Fish


What an personic post. Rubbish mate.


You with such a high IQ should stick to your school books and start studying the tactical know-how of BR and the lightweight players he has brought in who are not good enough for LFC. While you are studying that maybe you can calculate the points difference between us and top place or even 4th before you start having a pop at the 30+ supporters who have supported the club before you were born! Truth is the club has been in far better management hands in the past!


With facts to back you up, explain how we are going forward? My FACTS to back me up that where not are, 3 points worse off at this point than last season, out of all domestic cups and on the verge of going out of europa leage. I look forward to your facts.


I think people are just getting fed up of underperforming players tbh.

Liverpool fans have been extremely patient for the past 23 years and it's time we start seeing some progress, we don't want to have to wait another 10 years for a squad that might develop.

Players like henderson, downing and co should be able to take the criticism on board; they're getting paid 80k a week to give half hearted performances that aren't to the level we expect.


Zeus, i'm one of those 'die hard supporters' who has spent all his life supporting the club he loves. i'm over 60 years of age and trust me, I may just have at least two brain cells to rub together. You cannot understand the meaning of the word 'love' for a club, after all at the ripe old age of 19 youve only been classed as an adult for 12 months.

You are entitled to your views of course, but when you have suffered the highs and lows of us older 'die hard supporters' as you put it, then MAYBE, just maybe you would understand why we feel the way we do at times about the club we have supported for over 50 years.

We are entitled to our views just like you are, and if your really honest with yourself, you would accept that we have earned the right to be able to voice our despair at times about the current state of our great club.

ps without being too disrespectful you really don't have enough years to rub together, let alone two brain cells. and furthermore your exuberance and loquaciousness constitute reprehensible behavior.

Tel 1949


I have the same iq as sharon stone

and 9 wins out of 26 league games does not show progress

tom1975


Well said Tel, also, I don't understand the "support at all costs and don't criticize?" when BR gets us back into Europe and in the top four I will praise him then!


Before you start to google it, it means "talkative"

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 15:01:41
sack, br, sack the players, sack the groundsman, sack the kitman, sack the youth coaches. close the doors. Liverpool fc is dead. no chance of ever winning anything.

its all because andy carroll isn't there for the long balls. its because the board left craig bellamy go.

you lot are a patethic excuse. call yourselves fans, your nothing more than dirt. you lot call yourselves fans but haven't got a clue about loyalty

grow up. get off fifa. have a think about where we are. take the red tinted glasses off. get real.
we can't attract top quality right now so we can either do a pourtsmouth and gamble and go broke trying to buy champoins league or develop our own players at a fraction of the cost.

IRERED


Fraction of the cost.

Is it 60 million so far this season?

People can accept not being champions but we need something to encourage us and so far this season has been a disaster.
The worst season I can remember (since 1984 when I first started going)


You got issues pal for sure


15 Feb 2013 15:46:23
Mate if we can't attract quality players because of champions league then its Rodgers responsibility to attract quality players by showing his vision and convincing them we are going in right direction and his being paid mega bucks to do that if he can't then he should go we can't continue wasting money on average players simple as that.

At the moment we need manager like ancelotti to stop our club wasting more money in average players, his name is enough to bring quality players at the sametime he knows more about football then Rodgers will ever know.

Your trying to say let the wound continue and in time might be cured, where I'm trying to say cure the wound before it gets unmanageable.


Don't sack the youth coaches / Rodolfo, they are the only positive at the moment.
KPM100


I was taking the piss. i'd be more worried if we weren't creating the chances to score. then i'd really be worried

irered


This is not a joke mate!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:53:23
If I hear the guru say "the group" or "good guys" one more time. The group's rubbish and you talk so much drivel. Thirteen defeats by Valentines Day says it all. As our kit manufacturer states WE COME NOT TO PLAY - mission accomplished. At least you got something right Brendan.
PC.


Yes the writing was literally on the wall through the Kit manufacturers quote.

Ozone


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:50:00
I think it's an absolute disgrace the way Brendan Rodgers is been treated by fans on this forum. Was it his fault Gerrard missed a penalty against West Brom? Was it his fault Reina had moment of madness against City? Was it his fault Skertel set up Tevez for an equaliser for City at Anfield and his prancing about in the box first day of the season against West Brom? Was it his fault Suarez goal was disallowed for the winner against Everton? Was it his fault FSG didn't buy a striker for Liverpool when they let Andy Carrol go out on loan. He's trying to blood young players, because we have no cash, and by the way Reina has been making clangers since the quarter final of the Champions League against Chelsea in 09 he's in Dreamland thinking a club in europe wants him top club anyhow. Agger good player not a great player same as Skertel. How many times is Agger beaten from a corner. Of course Brendan has made mistakes it wouldn't be normal if he didn't. We have been an average team long before BR took over, how many times have Liverpool challenged for the league in the last 20 years, 3-4 times. People on about getting 4th, that's 4th place people, the 4th best positon in England. People should have a look at players Benitez brought in and out of the club over his tenure and it's shocking. Allen isn't playing well at least he's admitted that, doesn't mean he's a bad player. If you really want to vent your anger frustration Reina not good enough! Agger not good enough Skertel not good enough FSG have poured money into our club for players they made a mistake with not getting a striker start of the season but they are doing a top job and I hope BR is here in 2 years time and we'll see what were all about because he to is doing a top job! There are some really good posters on this site, but you get drowned out by the constant whining. And the Ed's it amazes me how you do it! If this on your own free time well I'm puting you all forward for a Nobel Peace Prize

Owen


15 Feb 2013 15:17:19
your wasting your time owen. plastic fans think you can buy anyone like fifa.


Why don't you just realise that he is not good enough? It's beyond me why you would even post something like this.


15 Feb 2013 22:18:39
We are all hurting, fans, players, manager etc. but what is being done to change it? we buy players on the cheap, arguing over a couple of million (Dempsey, Ince) only buying players who have a sell on value? sell experienced players TO GET WAGE BILL DOWN! now we need experienced players? jeez! fans are hiding their heads in the sand like it's not happening!follow BR no matter what? it's a disaster! there is some much that could be done to stop the rot, even the fans can see a way out but no one from the club is listening! and BR should be honest with us, were not persons, we can see it will take more signings, how is it Newcastle go out and buy 5 players and improve right away? yet we can't? OK rant over!!!


Is it just co-incedence that we're missin all these chance's! Or could uncle Buck have lost the dressing room?


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:49:32
Buying "average" players for 15 and 20 million is exactly what has happened to LFC. Downing, Carra, Joe Allen, and Borini all make the team weaker whenever they are in. How is it that it is obvious to everyone else except Brendan Rodgers? LOL at LFC's faith in BR and FSG. laughing stock.


Are you for real mate? Seriously man how could you put carra on par with allen and others? Forgot all the things he did and is STILL doing? his class when hulk almost wriggled past everyone and then he was there to stop the beast?
REDistani


As I've said before Carra is a legend, you are right that you cannot class him in the same category as Allen, but we have not won a game since BR brought him back into the team and we have let in 2 goals in every game he's played in. Hardly an inspired move.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:36:13
Great post mate- we can't change manager before the summer anyway, so there's no point in the abuse, except to undermine the players confidence.


You can change manager any time


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:25:11
At the end of day, its a game. I believe we have been unlucky for the past five years, not great players bought, bad previous owners and managers out of their depth. I think LFC don't need a new manager or new owners but an appointment at the top. A man to spearhead LFC, a silent genuis. like johann cluff. Look it wouldn't magically sort out our problems but I believe man is astrong figure that would take us forward. Fsg are amateurs, they are still learning, ayre hasn't a clue and BR is a good coach but as with kk but not to the same extent as kk brought in the right players. Are johann cluff and van geal an option though?

Big Al {Ed002's Note - No they are not.}


I just wanna know who this CLUFF bloke is?


Wasn't he in "Last of the Summer Wine with Compo and Cleggy?"


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:18:50
While I fully understand the stance on support the club through thick and thin, this is the very sentiment that managers like BR hide behind, he himself some time ago that the fans have been extremely patient with him and the team, so it tells you that he knows that getting results for the fans is very important but just because KFC fans will support him no matter what he takes this for granted,

I for one would not take my job seriously if my bosses told me, succeed or screw up, you will still have a job regardless.

I don't see the fight and passion in BR that the team should have on the field.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 14:02:17
Dear Liverpool ''Fans''

At this current time the team we all claim to love are going through a rough period. We seem to consistently concede sloppy goals, make a right mess of defending set pieces, lack creativity in midfield, as well as the cutting edge up front should Suarez have an off day. As Liverpool fans it is hard to watch that this has happened to our once great team, but the honest truth is that the team we have now, is not the same as before. It isn't anywhere near the level we had in 2009. However, we are going through a period of transition. I understand it seems as though we haven't improved from last season, however I can tell you it is a lot more enjoyable watching us this season than last season. Brendan is a young, knowledgeable manager that needs time to develop as well as our young players. He hasn't managed a club like ours before, therefore he needs all the support he can get. People seem to forget Fergie was hanging by his last legs before he went on to create the Manchester United side we all so hate winning everything. We are the best fans in the country, we provide the best atmospheres, yet we are slowly starting to turn against everything that surrounds our club. This is not the Liverpool way. How dare some of you call yourselves Liverpool fans. If you aren't willing to support us when we lose or draw, please don't support us when we win. I am fed up of all the 'BR Out' claims. Let him rebuild us. Give him time. Support him. Support our players. The minute we start to turn the way we are heading as fans, we can kiss Luis Suarez, as well as players like Lucas goodbye. Now is the time to show us why we are the greatest fans. Over the next few years I am confident we will be playing Champions League football and then the so called fans will pretend to be happy again. Just please, if you no longer wish to say anything supportive, or even constructive, don't say anything at all. I love Liverpool football club, and I will continue to support us regardless what happens. I just hope the rest of you do the same.

YNWA

Muzzafan


Liverpool is not an experimental club, we need results, if a manager is not making the cut then get rid of him, we don't carry dead wood, so why should we have to accept results like this, 2 losses in one week, I keep hearing of change but when will it come, maybe when we get a world class manager


I agree totally, you'd be forgiven to think we were going into administration. almost like what happened before fsg took over. People have short memories.


Fergie had 12 years of experience prier to joining man u, so stop comparing them.


Muzzafan, I'm sick of hearing BR's position being compared to Ferguson. Yes Ferguson was close to losing his job before he turned it around but the level at which Ferguson had been performing BEFORE united employed him was streets ahead of Rodgers
Quite simply Rodgers has no pedigree, no experience and very limited success.


I wasn't comparing Brendan to Fergie. It was a comparison of how things aren't always rosy, but sacking each manager everytime things are rocky is not the way the club should be run.

It's nothing to do with experimenting. We don't have the squad now to compete. To compete we would need masses of spending which we cannot afford. Alternatively, allow younger players to develop, adding in some talent in the process and we will get to where we need to.

Who's to say we sack Brendan, bring in a 'world class' manager and we still don't make champions league? Then what? Sack everyone to do with Liverpool and start again?

Seems to me like a good way of understanding the situation is this - We haven't improved hardly over the last few years, whilst at the same time, we have a regular stream of managers. Coincidence?

YNWA

Muzzafan


I'll put it even more simple.

Managers job is to create the gameplay that gives chances to score.

Final touch is not manager's job. Nor are the personal mistakes (non schematic mistakes, just muscle mistakes) of GK and CD.

We have the gameplay, and we have the chances.

Not being able to use these chances, is not managers fault. BR brought in Sturrige who can do the final touch, and it did work well.

Regarding the defense - we lost most of the points because of personal mistakes. The gameplan itself was not the reason of this.

Give BR 2 years. I trust him and I believe we can win everything. Even the next years PL. You must be blind to not see the gameplan improvement. Stop being statistics huggers.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:54:52
I would like to start by saying I think BR as a man manager is exceptional as for his tactics I think he does lack in this department however I think this will improve over time but long gone are the days were you can afford time which is just were modern football is and the worrie is that we continue to fall ferther behind are rivals and what is alarming is just how far we are off breaking into that top 4 I think the owners have some what backed there selves in to a corner they sacked someone of the stature of kenny when we finished 7th in the prem got to 2 cup finals and one 1 and qualified for europe now I do believe he was not just sacked for football reasons but also because of the suarez situation however they will find it hard to justify not doing the same with BR who with a better squad is some way off even matching are previous season personaly I am on the fence half of me says give BR time the other half says we can't afford time its a difficult situation and a stick or twist scenario. King kenny


We fail to win against swansea and the beloved ship falls lower to the bottom of the league table. let you remind you that we are currently 12 points from the bottom that's 4 games and if we carnt change this around with the mentality they have at the moment we will be in the rubbish. no cup run, s will probably be out of the europa and not qualify for next season. as for next season can you realy put hand on hart and say we will do better. dependant on results from now to end of season fsg won't just hand rogers a sackfull of money, then you got suarez to contend with I carnt see him staying then what. who will want to play for lfc. although fsg policy to buy young to sell on to make money is good in some ways this could be the downfall. i'm not a rogers supporter but as he is manager I will get behind him because of my love for Liverpool but I think this was is a step to far for him.


Ur talking as if spending 100 million on championship players and ONLY finishing 8th and a league cup (something bradford might do and birmingham done last year) was a good season?

Sorry but we'll be paying for kennys antics for the next 2/3 seasons


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:46:42
Well at least we can finally put the 'best fans in the world' tag to bed. People rant on about LFC being a joke. it's true. We are a joke to other supporters, quite right. But it's the fans that are the basis of the joke.

Go back 3 games ago. heading to Arsenal everyone was pretty happy. Top 4 was a possibility, team playing well, can see a good future under BR, youth looking great - happy as you like.

Fast forward 3 games. BR 'in over his head'. FSG 'don't know what they are doing'. Dressing room 'lost'. Players are all crap.

Any man to say that LFC have the best fans in the world is a moron. Literally most teams in the prem have a more supportive fan base than LFC. They go to the games, sing for their club and try to help the team go for victories. If they loose, they accept the defeat and continue to support the team in the next game. Swansea is the perfect example - they have brilliant fans who get behind the team and it show's in their performances. There is not a shaddow of doubt in my mind that their away supporters will out-sing the Anfield crowd on Sunday.

Sometimes it really is a struggle supporting LFC for me. Can someone explain to me why it would be so hard to support the team the way that fans should? Is the £150 million spent out of our own pockets?

P. S - I think that Allen looked a superb player in his first games for us. But the undertone of groans when he gave the ball away several times in one match set his run of bad form off. If he was still at Swansea then he would be showing what a great player he is. You can see in his play that he is hesitant to play a pass now for fear of loosing possession. This was not evident in his play before the groans.

Fowler99


Some of us were not happy about tossing away a 2 goal lead with 20 mins to go against Arsenal.
Thing is at that stage of the game you close it out. By all means keep possession but don't play tippy tappy in your own half inviting the opposition onto you. If you can't make progress then hoof it out of play on their half.
It's about WHERE you play tippy tappy.
You play tippy tappy in the oppositions half. If you can't get the ball over the half way line within 3 passes then hoof it away.
People go on about Barcelona. Barcelona don't have 6 plus passes in their own half. They run forward with the ball and get it in the opponents half, then they knock it about.

If I can see this, why can't Brendan. His philosophy is the opponents can't score if they don't have the ball. That's not true, what about own goals?
You can't concede if the ball is in the opponents half all game. That's what Barcelona/Spain grasp, but Brendan is missing.
Thing is, he's too stubborn and one dimensional to change. That's why he needs to go.


All fans are the same, they want their club to be successful. Forums likes this are also full of wums and teenage fifa fans.
Real Madrid fans can't wait to get rid of Mourinho. Arsenal fans more and more would like to see the back of Wenger.
When You know who retires down the other end of the road, Manutd fans will screaming to get rid of whoever if they don't win the league for a 2/3 years and only finish 3rd or 4th it will happen to them sooner or later.
So Liverpool fans are no better or worse than others when there team is going through a bad time. Genuine fans that is. We have more wums invading our site because of who we are. So take that into account.

kidmillions


OP, maybe the conflicting impressions you got came from DIFFERENT PEOPLE


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:46:02
Hey eds, do the owners listen to the fans very much? Do you think that the fans wanting Kenny out had a small part in him going? Just hoping if that was the case it does not happen again with Rodgers. {Ed002's Note - Too much - they gave Dalglish the job because of the fans. They also took note of the threats against them and their families. Dalglish left becuase of well understood reasons and it was nothing to do with the fans.}


"Threats to the owners and families. "
Makes you think is it worth following any football club never mind LFC if things have come to this.

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:43:31
If QPR get relegated surely there has to be a chance of Julio Cesar being available. He could be the Pepe Reina replacement.
What say ED's?
- X-scissor {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has shown no interest in him.}


If they get relegated they've got a couple of promising youngsters we might be intereted in ;-))

kidmillions


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:35:55
Never has a beach ball been responsible for so much


Harsh to call Brendan a beach ball.


Brilliant - all this ranting and raving, he's good, he's bad, he should go, he should stay.

Finally someone has actually pin-pointed the cause of all our woes and succinctly summed them up in just 10 words.

Priceless - I love it

Irish Red Dog


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:25:01
From my view. Its hard but I can't read too much into this season at all. Rogers has come into Liverpool with his own philosophy on football. Had to build it from the ground up and keep hold of a small but best (to his short knowledge of the players) squad he could to take the season that could best play his style. he's let a lot of players go with few coming in. he's obviously learnt as we all have while watching who is and probably isn't up to this style of play, what areas we need to strengthen etc. that's how I see it, that this year is a season for rogers to expose our young players and get a real idea of who can and can't play to his style and who we need in while playing as competitive team as posible. The team will get stronger and not just as a young group but with players coming and going. Rogers has said it himself were probly 3 world class (man city) type players away. I think rogers has some very similar ideas as us "couch selectors". Quietly optimistic

Smurf


Love the positivity Smurf. All good points. We can keep changing manager, keep having a year of transition, keep changing the formation, keep changing the style of play - or do what Barcelona have done so successfully. Got behind the young players coming through, all playing to a particular style embedded within the club and supported the manager unconditionally. This is the first bloody year of BR being manager. How moronic can you be to think that everything would gel perfectly in the first year? If we have seen no progress in 3 years - clearly then a change would be required. But I think that as LFC fans we should get behind the managers philosophy for the length of his contract and see where we get. As you say, we are 3 players short of a very good team. This takes time to build, but I have no doubt that continually playing the style that BR is teaching, along with 3 top additions then we will be challenging again.

Fowler99


Some points I do agree but the prem is the best in the world and the fierest when if your not in the top 4 your a failure. this is where the money is and if we ever get there then the so called top players will come. on the other hand if suarez goes then what who will replace him, your missing the point here about giving rogers time. everton, swansea, wba, have no money and still do better than us. you all go on about how it took furgi 5 years to get it right, we haven't got 5 years to sort this mess out and by the way when furgi got it right it was the old league not the prem


 

 

15 Feb 2013 13:12:21
Would like to get other fans' views on a subject that's bugged me/made me think this year:

Last year was deemed quite an unsuccessful season, a poor final position (not helped by finishing below our neighbours) and many players either feeling unappreciated (kuyt, maxi, bellamy) or simply weren't good enough. We had plenty of injury troubles with Johnson, Kelly, Lucas etc. out for prolonged periods

But we also had 2 of the most successful cup runs for the past few seasons. 3 trips to wembley and coming away with 1 trophy (regardless of the opposition) and coming second only to the then 'champions of europe', defeating teams such as Everton, Manchester United/City along the way. Crucially, one of these got us back into Europe.

flash forward and the manager was sacked after this season. Replaced by a manager who has been largely unproven/inexperienced at the top level of the game.

I admit his approach appealed to me and others, with the emphasis on rebuilding/styling the team to play 'well', and largely there have been noticable improvements but money/injuries etc have hampered this as well as a few other issues (simply not making the most of our chances!).

But so far we've been dropped out of the two cup competitions we did so well in last year, at early stages, and it is looking similar in the one remaining trophy we're gunning for.

Our position is around the same as well.


So, my ultimate question is:
Can this season be judged as progress? Have we regressed too much in the favour of restyling/adapting to a new system?

and can the owners justify their decision to sack a trophy winning/europe attaining manager?

misterdrumz

p. s. I'm not a Pro-kenny or a Pro-Brendan biased fan, just want to see the club doing well and wanted to hear other fans' opinions. ta.


I think he needs 9 wins out of 12 otherwise his position is untenable


Severe saying untenable but I can see why people may think that completely.

I think a large part of my ire is with how the owners really pushed Rodgers on us, they were far too open about this fancy new style we were supposed to take to like a duck to water. A lot of hopes were built up and I didn't see anyone saying this season of transition/managing expectations when just prior to the west brom game (day 1 of the season) we we're all certain we'd get 4th spot, maybe better.

If Rodgers had just been hired, said a wee piece on what he thought he'd bring to the club and just got on with it then I'd be much less critical.

but what we got was endless quotes/interviews, dossiers and blueprints and to top it all, a reality show that showed him in a cringeworthy light.

misterdrumz


I sort of agree with what you are saying and when we play to our best and BR has got his team selection and tactics right we have looked very good. But too often this season I and fellow reds watching the game have commented mainly on his team selection which has often been off. One that comes to mind is having Coates in CD instead of Carragher and making Suarez captain against Oldham in the FA Cup. Suarez only started to play as we know he can when the onus of captain was taken from him when Gerrard came on. Managers are under an obligation to be interviewed by the media to provide extra entertainment before and after a match. With regards to "Being Liverpool" although this was cringeworthy (loved by rest of PL) it was obviously the owners idea to promote the LFC name in the states.
I am supporting Rogers to become a good manager for LFC but it will take time. Agreed he has made mistakes and hopefully has learnt some lessons from them.

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:57:52
I'm sorry to say that our beloved Liverpool F. C can no longer be regarded as a top 4 clubs. In reality our positioning this season is a realistic overview of where our illustrious club currently lies.

We can not compete with the top 4 or 5 teams in terms of player purchases and realsitically look toward buying £10-15million pound players, who at best are average premiership players (i. e Allen and Borini). And without the opportunities of Champions League football revenue etc. Liverpool are slowly declining away.

I appreciate that nowdays footballers are in it for the money, but days of old where the opportunity to play for Liverpool F. C would out way the desire for money have past.

Last nights match against Zenith is an indictment of our club. Playing against a Russian outfit, who can afford £35+million players.

It's easy to say have a mass clearout of the squad and rebuild, but we seem to be saying this year in year out. And with the new financial fair play rules, the struggles of no top flight European Football we are going to struggle.

I am concerned that players like Suarez will demand more than he is getting at Liverpool, and foresee a Summer transfer despite recent contract renewal. And if we received £40+ million for him where would we spend the money? More £10-15 million players to baulk up the squad.

On the positive I like Rodgers style of play and the progression of the younger players at the club under his guidance. Here's to hoping for a generation of player similar to the Manc's 90's players.

I love my team, and will follow them regardless. YNWA rant over!


I am concerned that players like Suarez will demand more than he is getting at Liverpool, and foresee a Summer transfer despite recent contract renewal. And if we received £40+ million for him where would we spend the money? More £10-15 million players to baulk up the squad.
totaly agree with you. what top player could we bring in especially when top players want cl like you say he will just buy mediocre players unproven and inexperienced. the only thing I like about rogers is the barcelona type play that's it.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:43:45
Let the debate begin: Failure at Reading and Watford. Lucky with a well drilled team chosen by Martinez. Inexperienced Owners had a knee jerk reaction and got conned by words like philosophy and style and his ability to suck up. Some luck was on his side and the six part documentary Being Liverpool should have been named Being #$%$ Rodgers. He used it for his self promotion. Then he embarked on a mission to prove that Kenny was at fault. Firstly he shipped out all the goalscorers inKyut, Bellamy, Max I and Caroll. The exercise was to win browny points from the owners but it was foolhardy as the team was deprived of experienced campaigners and it is now biting him on the bum. He continuously harped on about his passing game which is nothing new at Liverpool. The passing game on its own does not bring goals. It requires a good service in the penalty box and requires players like Carroll to benefit from the set plays. Alas the bumbling person does not have a plan B. He is so out of his depth that he took off Sterling and replaced him with Lucas when we needed additional attacking options. Whatever little chance we had of scoring an away goal vanished with his substitution. His selection of new player is appalling. He has been building a team of midgets. The supporters who are rejoicing at Sturridge's arrival might be dissapointed after the honeymoon period is over. Once he starts hogging the ball the team spirit will vanish. His claims of improving Henderson and Downing do not hold water. I believe Kenny would have nurtured them with his experience. While this philosopher is at the helm I do not see any light at the end of the tunnel. Taxi for Rodgers and take the useless Allen's and Borinis in he spare seats. It is sad that an ardent supporter of 30+ years wishes the team would loose some games to bundle out this clown. Alibabainoz


Yes, he should go back driving taxis.

Mint


You say failure at Reading and Watford lucky with Swansea.

I could easily say unlucky at Watfprd and Reading and one of the most successful managers in Swansea's history. Anybody can make things sound over-exaggerated mate. Every manager has to start somewhere.

-Beany.


Rodgers didn't want to do being Liverpool, he is meant to have said so privately.


This post by Alibabainoz is one of the most brainless I have read on the site, and there have been quite a few to choose from.
Apart from not being one smidgeon of positivity in the post you seem to be wallowing in all the 'faults' that you see. You seem happy that things are 'bad' (as you see them).
But it is difficult to even bother covering some of your points when I see that you suggest Carroll being
'shipped out' as a mistake. The fact that you would have kept Sterling on
when he offered not one bit to the attack is another reason why your post should be filed under Garbage

Puzzled


Kuyt, Maxi and Bellamy leaving had nothing to do with BR. Kuyt and Maxi had already chosen to leave previous to his arrival. Bellamy's left to be closer to his kids.


The bit about "building a team of midgets" had me in stitches. Surely you're just winding us up?

Redfellar


Alibabainoz, apart from the bit about Carroll, I agree with everything you say. Great post and I am in fact where you are in terms of wanting to lose games to end this era before it gets worse. He brought on Lucas at 2 nil as he feared at 3 nil Anfield would be half full next week and how bad would that look on him with th owners. Give Carra the managers job.

Ozone


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:41:33
God do we need sturridge on the pitch we play much better when he's there also you can see suarez is lost without him mick dublin


Totally agree Mick!
Gordon Strachan mentioned it in the post-match last night. Liverpool are a different team with Sturridge in there.

I think Sturridge has been a great buy (why didn't we buy in the summer and not dilly-dally with dempsey!) but generally I feel that Suarez thrives when there's another striker to occupy a center back's attention. Sturridge with his speed and power fills this role perfectly, being a potent threat himself gives defenders headaches.

for too long we've relied upon suarez as our sole striker, teams know simply to attach one or two defenders to him and they stand a good chance of nullifying his threat. (although it's brilliant when he beats them despite this!).

We really need other options to help take the focus off Luis, last night was a prime example. For whatever reason it just wasn't happening for Luis last night, I counted a hat trick of mis-hit opportunities before half time. That tells me two things, either A> take him off as he's having a poor game. or B> He needs support in the form of a new shape/helping hand up front.

obviously we won't entertain option A, as you can never count Luis out, he generally WILL score eventually. but the fact that Brendan didn't do anything to help him out last night really hurt us.

Even if someone like Borini also struggles in front of goal, by simply being there, being a pest, making moves it frees up Suarez and makes his job that much easier.

If Sturridge played/was eligible last night I don't doubt we'd have bagged a few/drew at the very least.

misterdrumz


Well said m8y


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:28:33
What is it with everybody writing us off in the Europa?

4/5 years ago, we could go to the Bernabeau, lose 2-0, and come away saying "Oh well, we'll smash them 4-0 at Anfield!". i'm just saying, when Anfield gets going on a European night, it can destroy the opposition! Have hope people.

As for all the people saying 'what our problem is etc'.
It is not the players ability, or the managers tactics. For too long now I have watched players pick the ball up 40 yards from the opposition goal, and rather than play a risky pass forward, or drive on with a little 10 yard run, they stand still on the ball looking for an option, before deciding they don't want to screw up, and turn to play it to skrtel. By this point, our whole midfield and attack have pushed up hoping for the ball, and then Skrtel/Agger decides rather than hitting a long ball forward, or driving on himself, He'll lay it back to Pepe, for him to hit it forward under more pressure, an extra 30-40 yards from there half! Why? I'll tell you why, it's confidence. The players have the wrong mentality. The only way to restore that, is to sign people who have been there and worn the medal. Only two players in our whole team have lifted a major trophy with Liverpool. Carragher and Gerrard, back in 2005.

However, you don't need to be in your 30's to have that experience. Sturridge and Coutinho have both won the CL. That instills in them a winning mentality. The taste for major silverware. There are 3 criteria for signing a player in my opinion. Potential, Pedigree, and ability. For too long, we've been signing potential. Our one signing in Kennys last summer, who was supposed to have ability for the now (Downing) has flopped massively.

Sturridge has all 3, Suarez has all 3. We need more signings of that calibre. Players around 23-24 just coming into their prime, who have won something before.

Going back to point about the lack of drive, that is why we need to sign some power! Allen isn't going to surge forward, breaking through tackles and then lay off a pass or unleash a shot. We have a few players capable of that. Gerrard, Agger and Johnson. With two of them being in our defence, that's not good enough. Shelvey, Henderson and Sterling are showing potential, but cannot be relied on for powerful runs just yet.

This has been a pretty mashed up and blabberish post. so i'll quickly summarise.

We need Powerful players, with a winning mentality. When Gerrard missed that spot kick against west brom, we were still all over them, and should've just picked up where we left off and hammered them till the final whistle. but we let our heads drop, and got over powered in the last 10 minutes. That is what needs to change.

YNWA! (Adam)


People writing us off because players nowhere near calibre of past. They don't have the mentality or strength you crave


What is it with everybody writing us off in the Europa?

4/5 years ago, we could go to the Bernabeau, lose 2-0, and come away saying "Oh well, we'll smash them 4-0 at Anfield!". i'm just saying, when Anfield gets going on a European night, it can destroy the opposition! Have hope people. you for got one point here in that we had a very experienced manager in rafa who new how to change things around were as rogers doesnt.


Bernabeau no longer a problem, we won't be visiting for a while.
KPM100


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:25:51
Eds do you think the Europa league is under rated?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - In terms of what?}


15 Feb 2013 13:36:42
in terms of everything.
some grounds are worst than my garden.


In terms of actually winning it and getting far in it means nothing? Esepcially the fact good teams in the champions league go back into it as well


Its because the prize money is pants. This is the ONLY reason.


Id love to win it, still a prestigious trophy in my eyes. Dortmund 2001 was one of the greatest nights of my life, its still the same cup!
FowlerisGod


 

 

15 feb 2013 12:23:06
right!, here's a challenge to all those of you who keep spouting on about that no mark manager deserving more time.
i want you to come on here and give me one good reason why he shouldn't be booted out this morning, or indeed before now!.
i missed the live game last night because i was working so i had to stay up till 12 and watch it on lfctv, i didn't know the score so i was proper up for it.
i watched joe allen give the ball away at least 5 time's in the first half, the trend continued in the second half, i honestly couldn't believe he was still on the park at half time but i guess that brendan rodgers for you, stevie was too busy baby sitting again!, same old story every time allen play's.
i've said this before and to quote a phrase "i'll say it agian", that clown should never have been employed as our manager and he need's to go now before he drag's us any further down the sh*thole.
i watched is face last night and his body language, he didn't have a clue what to do last night, he was baffled, again!, he proved that when he started allen and he proved it when he made the substitution.
this is no longer a laughing matter now, it's gone way beyond that.
get that clown away from my club and do it pronto!.


Okay I will give you 10 good reasons
1) LFC is no longer a top 4 club and so we have no divine right to win every game

2) We have sacked 3 managers in the last 4 years and we are worse off.

3) Just as many believe the King should have been given 1 more season and so should BR

4) We have some of the best youngsters coming through so you need a manager who has the balls to play them.

5)Even though we are losing stupid games we are dominating teams and a few more players and the system will work.

6) FSG will not want to pay another £25m compensation and then bank roll a new manager you will want sacked when we lose two in a row.

7) Players like Borini and Allen are young and will improve hence Henderson, Lucas

8) because honestly he cares and do not believe this does not hurt him as much as us.

9)although Martinez started the Swansea project BR promoted them then kept them in the PL

10) last and not least I am not asking for blind faith but give the guy a chance. This is so wrong what some fans do, we destroyed Roy Hodgson who was actually too nice and honest for our club.

Two question for you
1) who do you think he should be replaced with? in answering be realistic and do not answer with anyone but him

2) Your dream manager walks in how long do you give him to get it right 1 week or more


15 Feb 2013 14:14:59
Rodgers is out of his depth wasted 60M and what makes you think given more money won't buy his average darling players.

We need manager like Ancelotti who has pedigree to attract Liverpool standard players which Rodgers can't if we continue with rodgers and give him more money will find ourselves in big problems because all our money will be wasted. Its better for change now then latter where more damage will held our club back for years and to recover from it will take many, many years.

How can you trust a manager who has worst record then hodgson or souness. Rodgers is CRAP you like or not the TRUTH IS APPARENT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.


TRUTH IS APPARENT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,

It would seem the basic truth is beyond your limited understanding of where Liverpool are as a club. We are not in a position to keep sacking managers yet we have stupid so called fans, demanding what managers and players they think will suddenly catapult us into their dream world of Fantasy Football. The club does not have access to unlimited funds and has to be run within the confines of what it can afford. Do people like you even realize how close Liverpool F. C. came to being destroyed both financially and physically recently?


Well said. i'm sick of this give him time attitude it won't work not now or the next 2/3 seasons. if he don't do something fast he will fighting at the bottom. how far will fsg let the club go before realising this is a tunnel with no light at the end of it. and to prove a point why did a third party sound out ancellotie for fsg?


 

 

15 Feb 2013 12:10:39
good one chris

napoleon


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:43:24
Can't believe so many people on here slating Rodgers, and saying that Kenny should still be in charge, it makes no difference, they have both made mistakes in the transfer window, they both play good football and they are both unlucky as Kenny's team were good but hit the post the most times last season by far, and Rodgers team is also good, they probable create the most chances in the league but fail to convert most of them, so it would not of made a difference weather Kenny was in charge or not, I firmly believe that Rodgers is the right man for the Job, he did'nt have over £100M available to spend like Kenny did, instead he had to ship out a lot of the dead wood, and unfortunely Maxi, Bellamy & Kuyt had already made up there mind to leave regardless of who the manager was, so we lost over 30 goals there and we brought in Borini who has been out injured most of the season, so to everyone who supports our magnificent club judge Rodgers at the end of next season as that is what the owners will most likely do.

BigD


Run that by us again. we lost over 30 goals where? Get your head outta your ap*e


I agree with BigD.

tbh a front 3 of;
Bellamy-Kuyt-Maxi.
would get you more goals than;
Sterling-Suarez-Borini.
If they played the same amount of games.
My guesses if they played a full season (38 games) are:
-Suarez, 25
-Sterling, 5
-Borini, 5 (35 total)

-Kuyt, 15
-Maxi, 10
-Bellamy, 15 (40 total)

Experience, when your infront of goal, is proably more important than quality.

YNWA! (Adam)


It (Kenny or BR in charge) makes no difference based on what?

Kenny is a legend full of charm and charisma when not dealing with a certain news channel

BR plays to the News Room Gallery and now many of them are mocking him comparing him to a character from the "Office"

BR has nerver won nothing I assume if you are an LFC fan you are familar with the Kings CV

Kenny with SC had the third meanest defence in the EPL last year (our strikers hitting the post 30 odd times lost us EPL points)

Under BR we are like an open Fosset we leak goals yet the personnel in our defensive unit has not changed - so what gives? Could it be BR? Heaven Forbid?

I could go on but hopefuly you see the difference.

Kenny Viva La Difference

Liberias31


Experience over quality? Messi or van nistelrooy? Quality everyday
FowlerisGod


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:25:51
Everybody get real!
The owners of LFC have not been to a game since Rodgers got the job.
They are under tremendous pressure in Boston from Red Sox fans to dump LFC as they say it is taking away interest and money from them.
They have introduced a policy of buying only young players because it increases the assets or potential assets of the club together with tying us in to other very lucrative commercial deals.
They are clearly lining it up to 'flip' and make a very healthy profit as they bought it under value anyway.
Champions League will be the icing on the cake but if not it the club has still increased immeasurably in value since they bought it.
LFC will be sold within 12 months by FSG to anybody who can give them the money they want for it.
a
Anybody who thinks FSG and Henry in particular had any other motive for buying LFC other than to make a buck or two is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Check their history in other business dealings!

{Ed002's Note - They have not been to the games because of the fans. Selling now might just get them their money back - certainly no "tidy profit". It seems that you have been listening to the bile that spews from the Spirit of Shankly or some such group.}


Ed002, I totally understand that they don't come to games because of fans, just look down these pages to understand the hostile energy and no support, they have spent good money on us, but its not their mistake we bought crap:/ its really sads how ungrateful our fans are, specially the ones talking about KK, he specially and I remeber very very well was against the club bringing Suarez, I remeber the eds saying it was improbable due to kennys refusal of his issues. So kenny didn't have a clue either.

PHARAOH


Dude the orignal poster. you talking as if you handle thei accounts and business. please make some sense before you talk. if you got so much problem with the owners. why don't you put your own money and manage it. oh wait you can't and you wont.


I'm no financial wizard but one thing I definitely know, if you want to invest hundreds of millions of pounds just to make a profit. you do not buy a football club

Was their other buisiness dealings purchases of other football clubs?

I think it's you that's liuving in cloud cuckoo land

MR EM


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:20:54
It's time to boycott lfc games, if BR won't admit it then maybe pressure from the fans will give him the kick up his ar5e that he needs, look how Chelsea fans got their stubborn owner to offer Lampard a new contract, there is no club without fans so BR should know that you can't keep giving bull5hit excuses for this pathetic lfc team he has

{Ed002's Note - Lampard has not been offered a new contract. And rather than boycotting the games which would take revenue away from the club, how about making the pilgrimage to Anfield and throwing burning effigies of Brendan Rodgers on the pitch at haf time. And rather than a kick, why not a voodoo doll and you can just stick pins in his ass?}


Dude you saying as if you have the best knowledge how to manage a football team. please go home you are far worst than being a drunk. A stupid post by an I don't know what to call u. calling you an insane will actually will be a disgrace to insane people.


Why would we want to boycott games? spoken like a fan who goes twice a season. I love my team and would continue going if we were in the Evo stick league. Something called LOYALTY. look it up.
FowlerisGod


Did people boycott when hicks & gillett were in charge?

did people boycott the games when Hodgson was in charge?

The answers to both were no. so right away that isn't going to happen. Even if the die-hards/regulars did, there are entire armies of fans desperate to go the game so this ideal of an empty stadium to make our point is never going to happen.

I know we're struggling and perhaps this is partially down to us as fans as much as the players/staff. If fans got behind their team as opposed to the all too familiar moaning and silence at Anfield I guarantee some of these underperforming players would buck their ideas up.

The commentators last night still eulogize the once famous Anfield atmosphere on euro nights, and at the moment we just aren't playing our part in that. Hence the atmosphere feels terrible, if we don't score within 5 mins then fans simply sit there and moan or sit in silence. I'll be clear WE NEED TO CREATE THAT ATMOSPHERE, It's not a god given right that you'll arrive at the game and all of your fellow fans around you will start singing/cheering and then you can join them. Everyone needs to play their part.

I guarantee that if this were to happen then games like last night and monday, where we *are* struggling that the players would be motivated to carry on hacking away for that goal/win.

before anyone says it, this is nothing to do with OOT's/wools/season ticket holders/locals. it's all of us. everyone needs to step up next week if we're to have any hope at all.

sorry for the rant

misterdrumz


Boycott games? That is a disgraceful thing to say, do you know what would happen if people did that? We would be finished, we should never ever even consider that, without the fans LFC would not exist. personic thing to say.


Boycott LFC games? Are you for real? So you're saying we should boycott games because of 2 bad results in a row? We've just had a dip in form, the team has no confidence and to be honest neither would I if I was being booed off the pitch at Anfield. The only way to get us back on track is by cheering on the Redmen at Anfield on Sunday not making them more nervous by booing. Come on lads we're better than that. The team needs our support now more than ever. I just hope whoever is at Anfield on Sunday realises this and doesn't call for Rodgers' head because it will just create a bad atmosphere around the club and things will never improve. So all I ask is you get behind the team. I believe in Rodgers and believe he can improve things. I know others don't and before I get abuse I'm not trying to convince you he will win big with us or whatever. 'There's only one Brendan Rodgers'. This is what was being sang around Anfield at the beginning of the West Brom game. So either some fans have all of a sudden changed their opinion of him after 2 games or most people believe in him.

Like I said, you may not believe in him, but don't create a bad atmosphere around the club because you don't believe in Rodgers because that will get the club nowhere.

Cheers for reading my post,
LS7.


Boycott games? Are you mad? We need to turn up on Thursday and do the exact opposite! We need to shake anfield to its foundations on Thursday and spur the team on to a fight back. That's what famous european night are for aren't they?

Ashy


What I find even worse is the 8 'fans' that agree with him!
LS7.


Stupid post.

I have no faith in Rodgers but I'd never boycott a game.

I contemplated it once when Hicks and Gillette were in power. {Ed002's Note - Would you do it if the came back?}


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:18:18
eds is it true that BR is been let go at end of season if he don't get top 4 and that Carragher is getting the job that's what iv been told
nostradamus {Ed002's Note - Nailed on.}


That wouldn't make sense at all. Letting someone with little experience go for someone with none, even if it is Jamie, just doesn't add up.
If BR does go for whatever reason, we need a manager with pedigree in to take this club forward. I've not totally given up with BR yet, but things aren't going the way we all hoped. This is something BR haters and supporters can both agree on.

Keith


Its been done before. dalglish Tommy Irish Red


Its written in the stars

Carra is the KingMaker


Irish Red look who Dalglish had around him at the time. who is there now-of any use?


Carra manager, Aldo his assistant and God coach. that would be superb
FowlerisGod


Kenny came in when we were Kings of Europe having finished runners up when trying to defend our European Cup of 1984.
Now is not the time for an inexperienced manager. We need someone who knows what they're doing.
Get in Ancellotti or Benitez.


Im sure carra has made a few friends in the world of football didi hamann talks well would like to see him around the coaching staff. Tommy Irish Red


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:15:43
Ok so we had a shortage of strikers, now we have re-in forcement but the team looks like they lack the conviction to win games, I don't see the determination and passion in our play, no one seems to be busting a gut to get on the ball or break down the opposition play.
Especially when it's games like last night when it needed something extra from the players,
I think if BR can't produce the results then he should be sacked.
No big investment is going to be made by the owners in a team that can't string 3 consecutive wins together


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:11:11
We should all forget getting any thing out of this season, that`s obvious, in my opinion BR will be properly judged next season, after the match last night he finally admitted we needed more experience in the team and will hopefully address it in the summer,
He now knows he needs to buy experienced proven players, not unknown quantities and young players, we have enough youngsters, this is not Swansea where Joe Allen was a major player, surely he realises now that if Allen can`t perform in this team he needs to change his tactics,
We will always make mistakes at the back because of all the dangerous passing around there, Pepe gets more touches of the ball than are midfielders!
I for one would give him one more season, but if there`s no improvement I must agree with some of the others that unfortunately we will go from a club that never sacked managers to sacking our 3rd one in an many years

Wardie


What if we finish badly in say 15th?

Not impossible.

Still give him another season?


 

 

15 Feb 2013 11:06:10
OK, a lot on here are saying that you can`t blame FSG for our form and season. But you`re missing the point. FSG sacked kenny last summer saying winning a cup and getting to another cup final wasn`t good enough and they said at the time only a top 4 place would do. So what do they do?. Put a manager with no experience on the back of one good season. That was a very big gamble and if we fail to finish in the top 10 this season and it could happen. Where does that leave Brendan Rodgers?. I think I know that answer already. So what do Fenway do in the summer stick or twist?.

Andykophead. {Ed002's Note - That was not the primary driver for Dalglish leaving.}


The owners should take some of the blame, but for me it was not paying the extra £3m it would have taken to have got Sturridge in during the summer transfer window. He wouldn't have been cup tie then and last night's game might have ended differently!
Don't forget we're all in this together and everyone (fans included) can shoulder some of the 'blame' for where we are right now.

Keith {Ed002's Note - Liverpool only asked for Sturridge on loan in the Summer - there was no bid.}


Kenny Dalglish was sacked not for his performance as a manager but for his backing of Suarez (T-Shirts especially) over the Evra affair.
Probably forced by our major sponsors in my opinion.

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:50:15
Hi eds and reds, am not a Allen hater at all, but what has happened to him. Against city early on in the year he bossed the midfield, I thought anyway. He looks lost now. Thoughts?
Gaz b


BR said you will see a different allen when lucas came back an boy was he right


Yep, its a funny one. I personally really highly rate allen, I realise i'm in the minority. I think he looks good when the team is playing with confidence, but when we aren't (which is most of this season) he looks poor and because a lot of our play goes through him, his poor display is highlighted even more. his game is pass pass pass and if he can't do that then he basically doesn't have anything. I think Rodgers has played him out of position a few times this season which hasn't helped. Joe Allen on form is a superb footballer, I just hope we get the opportunity to see it.
FowlerisGod


Not good enough, out of his depth, waste of £15 million, that's MY THOUGHTS!


You lot will be eating your words next season. Rome wasnt built in a day but pogress has been made. Players need time, and that includes playing a new system
Joe Allen is one for the future and i'm betting we will see an improvement next season, give the lad a chance
BR is doing a good job but needs out support. He will get it right, but this season was always going to be about transition, yes TRANSITION
Next season I truely believe we will be fighting for the top 4. As fans we need to get behind the manager and his project. I trust him, and I trust FSG to get this marvelous club back to where it belongs. Have faith and stop all this nonsense. These people have saved this club and deserve our support. It takes time


RD


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:49:19
Brendan I believe is a great footballing coach and has his ideas of how he wants his team to play and it is very pleasing on the eye until we come up against a side that have a lot of powerful physical player.

I do question his man managment skills and his substitutions at times. I think the Liverpool job has come maybe a year or 2 too early for him, he has no experience as a player or manager in Europe. I have no doubt he will become a Top Top manager in time but there is a definite need to have somebody with great experience to come in a provide a bit of guidence and support for Brendan when its needed.

I really do hope the fans have patience and do not get on his or the teams back and support him in what he is trying to achieve.

(irishred)


I lost interest when I got to the part about ~BR being a great football coach

A great football coach who won SFA


When did he win the scottish football association? that will be why results are slipping as he too busy with his new role as chief of the SFA
FowlerisGod


At the time of reading this post it is 1 agree 2 disagree. Sweet Fanny Adams!!

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:46:58
Is it BR's fault that LS misses 4 sitters - GJ goes to sleep at the back post (again!), JH miscontrols and Hulk hits a 30 yard screamer? I don't think so!
Had LS taken 50% of his chances you would all be purring about BR, but no, you get on his back instead of the back of the culprits - but actually you should support the team come what may.
BR's mistakes are that he picks both LE and GJ in the same side. Theory is great but neither can defend! The team doesn't seem to know when to pass quickly to the half way line and when to take time coming out of defence.
JA isn't suited to the holding role because he gets no support defensively from SG and JH. The number of times there was a gap in the hole between the back four and midfielders was amazing.
RS needs to go back to the U-19, U-21 to regain confidence and put his feet back on the ground. He has lost something over the last month or so and needs to recharge.
Some people think it is easy to come in, buy a few players, and then have the right to finish top 4, win every game etc. It is not - it takes time, you need to build a squad and methodology and then you can slot pieces into that model as and when you need to. That is what happened when we were great in the 70's and 80's and what man united do now. That is what Man C are building towards. Chelsea have bought too many players, keep changing managers which means a change in methodology, hence they are not as great as perhaps thay should be. We should learn from that lesson.
Of course we have players that need changing, but only if it benefits the SQUAD not the TEAM.
Give it time, I still believe the future is bright, even if it is frustrating at the moment.
IndoDave


It was allen who lost the ball not jh
JH had a good game again compared to others around him


It's his job how to manage his players and make a sub if thinks do not work, and to get the best out of his players.


Totally agree with the post, allen has so much ability as showed early on in the season now he lacks confidence and his form is very poor! It was hendo who lost the ball not allen so what game were you watchn 2nd poster.


Managers are responsible for results.

It's a footballing absolute.


It was henderson.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:46:23
I think it's almost oblivious if you can't see our midfield has no movement or goals in it, you look at most teams and they have either suberb forwards (Utd), a mixture of strikers/midfields (Chelsea/Spurs) yet we seem to be inept to see this! This is the whole no forwards dilemma again, yet more money needs to be spent on our packed midfield, the harsh reality being atmo we really lack the goals and quality barring Gerrard.

Summer I'd expect contingency plans/transfers if Suarez leaves but regardless, I'd like us to sign a player of the ilk of Rakitić or Ilicec, pure goal getting midfielders. Also, a new CB I guess will be looked into although my hope is that Kelly moves to CB and we look for a versatile LB/RB to take some pressure of Johnson and Enrique, possibly moving the latter upfield more.

Us Liverpool fans always get the stick for the whole "next year is our year thing" but it seems we're always taking one step forward and two steps back. Last year we couldn't score, now we can't defend and to easily knocked about in midfield, an area where we've always been traditionally strong. Maybe well turn things around against Zenit and maybe we won't, we have weaknesses in the team which need addressing or we will be even further behind our rivals.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:39:44
Hope you accept this post in the positive way it is offered. me being a Blue that is. I really believe that it was a mistake to get rid of KK as you call him. He was developing a style of football that involved your big centre forward Carroll. It was old fashioned, but effective and you were making progress. BR has come in and said this is not the way you are going to play. You are going down the total football route now. This is great if you have the worlds best footballers ie look at Barcelona, but if you are bringing in mediocre players or even pretty good players, then you have to face up to the fact that when you are playing teams with better players, your possession stats will look great, but you will not be able to kill these teams off. The build up is too slow. Joe Allen seems to pirouette on the ball and play sideways passes. Lucas rarely passes a penetrating ball. Neither scores often. Your wingers hardly ever score. This puts all the onus on Suarez, Gerrard and now Sturridge to get goals. If these don't score. you don't win. Simple as that. If I was manager, I would have Carroll back at the first opportunity. I would sign an attacking midfielder. Lampard if at all possible. Although a younger one would be better. The rest of the team is pretty solid. You don't concede too many so its more a matter of converting your play into goals. On very rare occasions I have seen a long ball down the middle and Suarez has scored. This hardly ever happens. Your manager should try and get them mixing it up a bit because it does work. Ask KK.
Degsypulford


I particularly agree about the wingers not scoring. I think compared to many PL teams we've really missed out on goals from the other forwards apart from Suarez

For a forward player, Sterling just isn't getting into the goals enough, and although Downing is trying hard, he's not getting enough goals either.

That's why Sturridge is such a revelation- a forward player other than Suarez who can actually score goals. We'd started to forget they actually existed.

Its no surprise that a few teams have had their match of the season against us- West Ham, Oldham etc.


Getting ready for abuse but here goes. Liverpool have become an ULTRA passing team under BR management. It seems as though opposing teams know how we are going to play and set themselves up to stop us. let's mix it up a bit. Attacks from goal kicks, long balls, shots from halfway lines (xabi Alonso and Suarez) anything but one dimensional pass, pass, pass.
Lets use our brains and be more original

Liverno1


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:38:52
All the great Liverpool managers have had great people around them dalglish had ronnie Moran and Roy Evans houllier had phil Thompson Benitez had his best times with paco alongside him maybe rogers should look at his back room staff and ask are they good enough we realy lack passion the young lads need to learn the Liverpool way, fowler Aldridge Thompson even Roy Evans just being around the club would be a massive help


Great point. I try to make that point myself sometimes.

You can't play great football if you haven't got great training behind you.

SR (StrabaneRed)


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:05:22
Not one poster has said we missed Agger last night and yet he's supposed to be World Class.
Just an observation.

kidmillions


Aggers to hit and miss for me Kid, not world class at defending that's for sure, put him in Midfield and maybe he will become world class.


We missed Agger
FowlerisGod


 

 

15 Feb 2013 10:03:28
Most of you so called LFC fans hang your heads in shame all this crap bout rodgers out we as a club pride ourselfs on respect were the bloody hell has that gone right I agree we aren't at our best but that's down to silly mistakes give the man time because we will be a top side to beat next year because you get rid now and were back to square 1 with a new manager OH and I was at the game on monday and I must say the atmosphere is the worst in the league I was at the hammering we gave norwich and I was beside the away fans and 1 guy summed it all up he said to us your winning 3-0 least take the piss out of us now you will ask why didn't we and simple answer ITS AWARKED you feel outta place singing come on LADS ROCK that stadium win/lose/draw JON96 YNWA


How much time does BR need to see the deficiences within the team?
Lets be honest most knowledgeable supporters see it so why can't he and his staff as its been quite awhile its been going on.


Another Clown who thinks TIME is the answear to our problems!


The answer to our problems is to get decent loyal fans behind the club, not persons like you


RD


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:55:32
Dont keep saying this is LFC and we will rise from the ashes because because because, the simple fact is we are defensively inept and at the moment collectively poor, questions need to be asked why is this so.

We lack strength power and vision in midfield, we seem to lose 2 goals in most games through errors made by our so called world class players. Is the management oblivious to this?

Obviously the management and coaching staff can't see this, so unless we get a striker or two who can score at least 3 goals between them to rectify the goals deficit most games we will win sod all for a long time, never mind this season.

History is just that, our Past glories are just that, the silverware we have won are in the past along with our glories. Time to wake and smell the coffee guys, I was raised watching LFC destroy all before them in UK and Europe, the 60s the 70s the 80s and parts of the 90s.

I don't go for all this transition talk, we have been in transition for the past 20 odd years, wasted fortunes on players over that time, Souness Houllier and Rafa were all false dawns, Hodgson was just a non starter. KK is a legend but time passed him by I think management wise.

BR and FSG gave me hope at first, FSG to be fair have put up the dosh over the 2 years and are now anonymous, but the manager must now stand up and be counted and stop all the excuses and start getting the team to gel and get results pronto.

Im fed up of hearing we can pull it back at Anfield etc etc after last night, the fact is we should not be in the position were we have to pull it back, he must now question himself along with certain players and put this right.

Scoues Red.


Although I am a bit more optimistic, you make very decent points. I just don't think we are as far off as it seems sometimes. We need a bigger driving force in midfield, someone in the mould of Yaya Toure. And we need to get back to where we were not long ago defensively. Anyway, quality post.

pronin


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:49:23
Thinking ahead to next season: Suarez will be gone, Carragher will not be there and Gerrard will be a year older. These are our best players - the future does not look bright.


I am not sure Suarez will be gone
Cara is not one of our best players…. he is playing well though
Stevie will be ok for another season at least.

I wish people will stop with the Suarez nonsense, he players in the team that is underperforming, he was one of the main reasons we lost last night. Did he have a fantastic game against city or Arsenal? We played great as a team in those two games but Suarez didn’t stand out. I love Suarez, I will always support him and hope he stays but if he moves on we can buy two quality front players.
Just because he is a fantastic player and most supporters are scared that we will lose him doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be made accountable for his performance or share his proportion of the blame for the results!

GGK


15 Feb 2013 12:59:37
he has saved lfc single handeldy in almost 75 % matches in combined two seaosns.
are the other players accountable for those matches?
nonsense. you said let him go and we can buy 2 quality playuers.
if he is not world class. no one will bid 50 mill.
if he is in barca. with the front three of iniesta messi and suarez.
barca. would win all the trophies in the world for anothe 5 years.


I think you need to read what I wrote again. I said I hope he stays and I don’t think he will leave in the summer but if he does I will not cry like a baby like you my friend. Optimism is what keeps us rational people level headed.

Of course all the other players are responsible for results, it's just clowns like you are so narrow minded and Suarez can do no wrong. As for him saving us in 75% of games…. our win percentage is only around 35% over the past 2 seasons, now I am no mathematician but I am sure that cannot be right! He also missed 25% of league games last season when he was banned.

What are you rabbiting on about Barca for, do you think he will end up there…. no chance. We can all play fantasy football and put three of the best attacking footballers together and make a statement like they would rule the world for years!

GGK


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:49:05
This pass and move strategy relies on the MOVE part, we seem to play pass and stay. When you watch the top teams play, even away from home they seem to have 4 or 5 players around the box when they attack, whereas we seem to have maybe 2 or sometimes only 1. Another thing that gets up my nose is everytime Johnson goes to take a throw in he hesitates because nobody is moving into space to receive the ball. Most of our throwins go to the opposition. It seems as if there is no urgency in the team and i'm afraid this could be down to tactics, which if it is it's not working
fforestfach red


I think the most frustrating thing to watch right now is this sideways movement. It seems we could be on with a break but then a decision is made to pass sideways or even backwards - this gives the opposition time to get behind the ball and organise.
I'm at the match on Sunday and hope that we have Sturridge fit to burst through and score. Please, please make it a great game!
MartinR


Spot on, mate!

pronin


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:36:23
I know it's been an incredibly frustrating season and the last four results have been especially hard to take considering that we had really started to look the part since Sturridge arrived, but is our best option really to sack BR and start again?

Even the anti BR brigade must realise that we need to give any new manager time to acquire his players and then mould a team. I agree that so far Brendan's signings, with the exception of Sturridge, haven't set the world on fire but they are all young men who either need to adapt to a new league or just the different pressure of playing for one of the games giants.

I have posted on here about the lack of progress this season in terms of points on the board and our early exits from cups but in general we have played good football and save some individual errors, in defence and the lack of goal scores in the team we would have beaten many of the current top 4 this term.

Take the last four games that have brought out all the anguish on this site.

Against Arsenal we played superb football and were by far the better team all bar a ten minute spell when they score two, both of which were avoidable.

Man City we were superb. Totally outplayed the champions of England but a moment of madness from Pepe cost us the win.

West Brom again totally dominated. How did we not score when we had 25 shots on goal. We were mugged.

Zenit. A great game. To be fair it could have been 3-3 at half time. Luis should have scored at least 3 goals. We dropped off a bit 2nd half and Hulk scored a screamer.

Yes we need another strong defensive midfielder and another goal scoring forward and yes we need more goals from the team in general to support Luis, though Sturridge will help
greatly but we are not a million miles from having a very good team.


You can't have Henderson, Downing, Enrique, Sterling and Allen in the same team it's no wonder we don't score goals.

kidmillions


We play exceptional and get a draw if were lucky, we play poor or mediocre and we get mullered.
Other top teams get wins when they play well and a result if they play poor, that's the difference.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:20:26
Im sorry but I have to say my bit on Rodgers. I feel like many others that this job was a step to far and maybe it was best for him at that stage in he's career to stay at Swansea. Managers are judged on the players that they sign and the results they gain with these players. Out of all the signings made we have not really improved as a team. We are sinking lower in the league out of most cups and clearly he cannot beat any half decent team in the league. The signing of Allen for 15 million not including a 2 million signing on fee was a complete lack of judgement on Rodgers behalf. Borini would not look out of place in a championship team and for 10 million there are many other players who could have made more of an impact. He is way over he's head at LFC the club is simply to big for Rodgers and clearly the fans the board and Rodgers have a different aim. The fans and the board want and feel we need champions league. Rodgers feels we need to build a club from the ground up signing average players some of which make kenny's signings look good. 9th in the prem is not good enough. Large ammounts of money has been wasted on total rubbish Assadi, Sahin, Allen, Borini, this is not good enough for LFC. He has made to many mistakes tactically, with signings, team selection, press confrences after matches where he seems deluded.


Has no other managers made mistakes with tactics and signings?

I can think of a few other the last few years! Downing, Henderson, Carroll all under performed for the amount of money we paid.

If you go through life thinking you can get everything right your going to be disappointed an awful lot.

You need a balance.


I could not agree more! Correct and straight to the point!


Especially when standing on 1 leg


You Need Balance? Seriously is that the special ingrediant ffs! You need a manager with tactical know how and experience not someone who is still plying his trade! Seriously. His signings have been patethic in fact worse than KK and you can be guaranteed Coutinho won't cut the mustard in the EPL either. too many lightweights how the hell you decide to start Sterling, Allen and Downing in the same team is beyond me my Gran wouldn't be pushed off the ball so easy!


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:09:59
Who is Gona play up front with Suarez for 2nd leg. because his misses apart, their was no one else? And formation Rogers used, didn't work. Will he put Borini through the middle and Suarez off him? pity Ngoo's out on loan because he, could've been used v Oldham, Villa etc. Mind due he only likes dwarfs


He should put me upfront because i'd have scored more last night if i'm honest


Even I didn't score last night and it was valentines day!
FowlerisGod


 

 

15 Feb 2013 09:09:58
Aren't you supposed to keep the ball in Europe, our long ball tactics, like a lot of our passing was awful.
We were outplayed by a side who struggle in CL so there doesn't seem to be too much point trying for fourth if this is anything to go by.
Best attacker was Johnson, best defender was Carra ~ anyone know what Allen brings to the side, he seemed to run around a lot but was always 5 yards from the ball.
How many more false dawns


Who knows maybe the 18 hour flight to the coldest country on the planet in probably the coldest time of the year playing in minus 6 temperatures had something to do with why a team who is used to all this beat us.

Kopping a feel {Ed002's Note - It is about a four hour and a bit hour flight. It is not the coldest country in the world. -6'C is cold, but it is not that cold. Feeble.}


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:58:55
Everyone has to remember that this is Liverpool good times will come to us again just need time. just remember the problems we have as a team we have them a good few years now, changing the manager so quick is not going to that. I think we are going the right way we just need to sort out the team for when we get a sucker punch we seem to crumble, things like that is in the heart of the team not the manager. we are playing the best football in the league next season we just need to sort out our shot/score ratio and the back bone of the team should and always be the defence. One or two good signings in the summer will make a big difference to out team next year


YNWA
Phouka


Why would the good times come back, just because we are Liverpool? That is the kind of backward thinking why we are in this fine mess in the first place. Hoping, more than actually getting out there and doing.

The real AG


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:56:40
This season has proved that we do not have the players in our squad to compete at the top half of the prem. Our failings in the past is managers have taken too long too realise this.
I believe in BR but will lose faith if he doesn't start weilding the axe in the summer. If he wants a passing/pressing style he needs world class players who are quick minded, can spot a killer pass are always on the move looking for the ball and can score goals. these players need to press and work hard closing down the bal when not in possesion. we have not got anyone in our mid that does this, eriksen, isco, benat, are the type of players we need.
Dave


If he wants to play like this it's sad to say but he has to get rid of most of our british players because they just not capable.

Downing, Hendo, Allen just not capable of that style of play. They played different for so long.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:44:10
Stayed away from here due to the results and the nonsense posts.
Are you serious about the manager needs to go.
Arsenal and City, should have won barring a defensive mistake in each game.
West brom, don't take chances including a penalty and a defensive mistake again.
Europa dominate clear chances don't take them and a wordy from hulk.
And it's all the managers fault.
Squad looks tired Sturridge should be back, we all know 4th has gone. Stick with team. , Supporters support.

My biggest concern is the atmosphere at anfield or should I say lack of, compare with Celtic or zenit. Awful
Pistol Pete


Yea all the fans fault they cannot play on 60k-100 per week!


Its a time old tale, please stop looking at what could have happened and look at what did. We are out of all domestic cups, looks like where going out of Europa cup, where 9th in the league, closer to the bottom than the top in terms of points (30 off the top, now that's embarrassing). Its been a pathetic season, there's nothing I've seen to suggest this is going to get better. Wishful thinking because where "Liverpool" and we'll magically rise again.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:34:59
Earlier post states: "Some little bird tells me Mourinho is coming at the end of the season". No way, his wages are £15m a year - we will never pay that.


Mourinho will never manage Liverpool FC.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:27:30
our transfer police needs to change we buy players that do not lift us to the next level.
suarez and sturidge are the only 2 players that have lifted the team.
allen borini sahin assaidi have made no impact this season if they would have we would be in the 3/4 spot now.
BR expected them to have a impact because he told downing henderson enrique they would struggle to get in the team and he needed to fall back on them.
i watch the serie a because I am from malta juventus was in the same position we are a few years back they biuld a solid defence and bought 2 starters every window and 1 youngster with potential.
in summer if get caroll money 15mil and let's say skrtl/quates/assaidi 23mil I hope we don't make the same mistake again.
we need to buy a top defender let's say hummels and erikson combined 45mil.
with fsg money let's say 20mil we get another starter in.
and all this talk about the wage bill will make more sence we are paying wages for asaidi/quates and they never play.
walcot wanted 100k a week assaidi must be on 35 a week, 1 in 1 out. 65k a week for a player that starts and make a difference.
i believe a youngster like suso/sterling ect will play better when the team is strong.


15 Feb 2013 09:50:29
If I am the owner. I wouldn't gave another penny in transfer market.
sell the players you bought. and buy what you want.
rafa benitez took a side worse than this. into 5 CL.


I think we should change our transfer police. If we had Poirot instead, he could source some decent Belgium players for us and signing up Wallander would cover us on the Scandinavian front.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:26:12
The season is now down to potentially 13 games. The only thing that can be salvaged from this season is sorting out the tactics, trying new formations, moving players into different positions, getting some form and confidence. Solving the leaky defence and improving scoring ratio must be priority. Play a few fringe players and get their values up. Will this happen? Unlikely, BR is a one trick, out of his depth, pony and appears to be quite unwilling to change tactics. BR please prove me wrong. We shall see. Beancounter


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:15:19
So we have turned into fans who give a manager 6 months in charge and if they have not won the league then we get rid?
I am not a Brendan Rodgers fan, I am a Liverpool fan and Brendan Rodgers is our manager. I would like to see the club return to the days when we gave a manager time to get it right.
Souness was given 3-4 yrs, Evans was given 5yrs, Houllier 6yrs, Benitez 5yrs. Only recently have we started sacking managers every season.
Has that worked out well for us? When we gave a manager time (Houllier, Benitez) then we became a champions league team and qualified regularly culminating in 2005.
Regardless if you are a Rodgers supporter or not, If you want to sack the manager now after 6 months in charge then you are a disgrace in my opinion.
P. S If ever we needed support from the fans it is now. Its easy to support a team when they are winning!
jonnybarnes89-90


Did Souness 3-4 yrs, Evans 5yrs, and Houllier 6yrs, work well for us?


15 Feb 2013 09:45:55
all these managers were not sacked. coz. Liverpool were in CL. and we were getting money from the game itself.
nonsense. its been 3 years.
and you honestly think BR can lead this team back to CL. beating the likes of spurs, arsenal, city, chelsea, UTD. everton.


15 Feb 2013 09:48:38
benitez had the worst team than this when he took over.
but Liverpool were in CL. all those years. once out. he was sacked.
He was not sascked because he signed degan, elzhar, or aquaman. or gaved them wages.
some people believe. sorting out wages is the biggest thing in a club.
if you earn pretty high. you can spend pretty high.
if you stay at 10th place. with no revenue apart from investment. you are doing nothing.


In reply to 09:48, at that time you didn't have the same teams competing for CL, Tottenham, City have stepped up when we stepped down.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:10:05
Quote from Brendan after last nights game: "It was a near perfect European away performance" - WHAT!


That worries me more than our results and position in the league. brenden keeps making odd comments I haven't got a clue what he's talking about


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:07:09
Wow! I have never known a group of fans to turn so much on their own. Those of you that are saying things like 'Rodgers has not got a clue' are not true Liverpool supporters. LFC fans are known throughout football as supporting their team through thick and thin. You are letting the club down.
Back the manager and team or go support another team.

RedRocket


How can you support Rodgers? He has not taken the club forward at all. Out of two (probably three) cup competitions, lower in the league than last season (not beaten ANY team above us in the league) and his transfer buys have been very poor indeed. I’m sorry but he way out of his depth.


So what's your definition of a true fan?
I think Rodgers hasn't got a clue!
I have had my season ticket since 1973 and travel to nearly all away games, but if I believe the manager is hopeless in your opinion I am not a fan.
No doubt the tv and computer watchers who still believe are true fans!

Derek


15 Feb 2013 09:22:53
With all the keyboard warriors that claim to have been to every game for x amount of years, you'd think Anfields capacity was well over 100,000.
Looks like our seasons going to implode just after January again! Shame.
WelshBoyDave


 

 

15 Feb 2013 08:04:18
Well what did I tell you. Weve gone on a bad run and the naysayers come out of their holes and blame rodgers for everything. Most knowledgable fans in the world? My ar$e.

Anonymous woolback


Well we are officially the best dontcha know. Got an award and everything!
FowlerisGod


Agree, because if we had knowledgeable fans, they'd see that Brendan is taking us backwards, not forwards.

They'd see that his "Tiki Tika" football is just passing side to side and making sure Pepe gets at least 50 touches or else the game is pointless.

He was the cheapest option to employ, that's what the owners wanted, and that's what we got.

SR (AKA StrabaneRed)


 

 

15 Feb 2013 07:54:27
I am seriously worried so should every one.

If as per Ed and source. Liverpool have reoprtedly loosing 50 mill each year.
come next year.
John henry and FSG will loose almost 150 mill in revenue. and 100 mill for sure. in flop signings.

And some of the fans still wan to slate the owner. and beg for more money.

Will anyone in this site. continue funding in a loosing business?

They have only committed a single crime.
they should have been more stubborn in sanctioning money.
They believd fans, and our club and wanted our club to prosper. and they pumped enormous money.

and some here want FSG out.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 07:51:34
I never believed Sturridge could turn out to be the player we so desperately miss!


I am also impressed with the start Sturridge has had. But come on, he's only played a few games. Let's give it until the end of the season before we make a judgement. After all, Joe Allen started off like a house on fire! I just feel if we are not careful this lad could suffer under the weight of expectation.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 07:51:05
I'm firmly in the give Rodgers more time camp, at least another season with top4 a criteria.
The only way I'll drop out that camp regardless of results between now and the end of the season, is if he's lost the dressing room? Then it's time to go.
Although I believe in what Rodgers is trying to do, I also believe that Luis Suarez is vitally important to us and it's more important to keep him than Rodgers.
So I just hope that he hasn't lost the dressing room.
I keep thinking if I was a player at Liverpool, it would cross my mind "3 envelopes the cheeky git"
If Brendan gets more time my advice to him would be " A wise head keeps a still tongue" aka Bob Paisley.

kidmillions


Exactly my thought!

The real AG


 

 

15 Feb 2013 07:44:13
Ed. great work.

I can see people botherd of loosing europa league spot. FA cup. and mickey Mouse cup.
and some wanted KK back. since he was better than BR.

We want CL. is that possible?. with 150 mill?

the answer till now. is NO.

neither KK nor BR with this team will never ever attain CL.
simple.

Rafa Benitez was sacked coz. we fell outside top 4.
not coz. we were out of europa, mickey mouse and CL.
Cl is the real money, fame and business of this club.

When FSG decided to sack KK. I was impressed with thei strong dtermination. No CL. don't manage Liverpool.
But How on earth did they appointed BR?

They have backed us time and time again. and its shame to beg them for more money.
sell your crap players. and buy the good one.
or be in mid table.
simple.

Any manager who wants to manage Liverpool. should look and work for only one Goal. CL.

Carlo anchelotti was sacked inspite of winning FA mickey mouse and PL. coz.
a club is recognised and represented infront of the world only thorugh CL.

we are known because we won 5 CL titles.

Juventus is the most ssuccessful club in ITaly. never won a CL.
look how desperate they are to win it.

Just Imagine. if the 150 mill was gievn to a top manager with a prooven record. like carlo, klop, vangaal, pelligreeni. or even Rafa.

we would have won the league.

joe allen + hendo = javi martinez for me.
countinho + borini = santi carzola for me
caroll = any top striker.

we would havw won the league.


Juventus won in 1986


If I was born with a ear i'd be a girl
if I pick the right numbers i'd be a millionair
if Liverpool had not split from everton we would still be everton
life is a rollercoaster get on the Liverpool fc one and enjoy the ride ups downs twists and turns but when you get off and have a look at it its the best ride youll ever get with the higist of highs an some lows but youll remember the highs for ever
red rrab


Didnt Juve win european cup in mid 90s, beat Ajax I think. Beat us in in Heysel in 85 an all. so there is 2
FowlerisGod


 

 

15 Feb 2013 06:56:18
Hi Eds

I'm a fan of Brendon philosophy style football only if you have the players for that style. You need very energetic players that pass and move all the time. Our players pass and stand still they don't make themselves available creating space for a player to pass leaving a huge gap in our midfield. All the teams we played against finds so much space through the middle. I still think we should have kept Daglish he played a similar style but a more effective defence and without Gerrard and Agger for most of the season. He took us to two finals being a succesfull season. Our current season is same when Souness manage Liverpool in the 90's

Zorro


What is this about "Brendon philosophy football"? It is pass and move; while we are passing a lot, there is no movement.

Oh ok I get it now, Brendon philosophy, Pass and well, don't move.

The real AG


 

 

15 Feb 2013 06:50:16
Eds it is generally accepted that wisdom comes with age and experience. With that in mind it would be an interesting exercise to see what age bracket the posters on the site are. My hypothesis is that the younger posters tend toward more negative posts and the older posters take a more balanced and generally positive stance based on having seen more ups and downs etc Whilst I am a fan of freedom of speech I am convinced the site is swamped with posters in their teens and twenties whose aspirations are based on fantasy and who think merely in fe short term. Basically we have two types of posters - those who have patience and rationale and those who don't. Just curious if it could be done. Would personally prefer to share and exchange views with posters who have at least been around long enough to form a balanced opinion (age 40-45, season ticket holder 25 yrs) {Ed002's Note - I would think your guess work is broadly correct.}


Spot on lad 40 year old


Well I say it depends more of the type of person you are. I am 21 years old and I always try to add perspective to what goes on, whether it's related to football or not. I myself write for a blog about football in general thus I force myself to be unbiased and try to extract myself from knee jerk reactions. Seeing things for the long run is what matters the most. I am always tempted not to come on this website for a few days after a bad result because of those rash comments and I agree that this new concept of being able to say anything without having to vouch for it is worrying. However sport is about passion so it's always likely to see people being overcome by emotion.


Problem is, how do you account for the dreaded "delusional disorder" which has infected this page for years for years. its indescriminate, and seems to attack man woman and child. therefore making an adult ressemble a child.
anon


Am 18 I do my best to support the team, if your in your 40's you need to be thankful that you witnessed the all conquering side (s) of the 80's, whilst my generation have only had the luxury of watching rubbish like Diao, Diouf and Traore. The only glory day's we've had is watching matches on LFCTV back in 1977.

Plymouth Red.


I'm 18 and it seems like you're equating patience and rationale with older posters sooo that means us younger ones are impatient and irrational? That's just absurd. persons are persons regardless of their age. Age brings patience? Perhaps perhaps not.

I've never seen us win the league, I only remember us winning trophies from 2001. Yes we are younger and we have never experienced Liverpool winning regularly. Maybe its the older posters who are so unfamiliar with what this Liverpool has become that are the ones that are ranting and raving about bad performances. True supporters are true supporters and will always do their best to support the team.

Calling young posters unbalanced, impatient, and irrational is just plain rude and frankly immature.

GuvTOB


 

 

15 Feb 2013 06:39:40
Please give Brendan a break. Though I disagree with him about Andy Carroll, I think at the end of last season we started to see how Carroll would give us plenty up front. Not sure we are any stronger without him.
Rodgers must be as p#ssed off as the rest of us. His tactics and methods have created as many clear cut chances as almost any other manager in the premier league.
It's down to the strikers to score them and they have squandered more chances then any other team in the league. Sturridge was brought to change that and got injured.
I actually feel sorry for Brendan this morning.
I hope Suarez feels as bad as everyone on here as in my book he's cost us this season.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 05:34:00
Some little birdie tells me Mourinho replaces BR at the end of the season!
Vam The Red


There flying round inside your head.


The drugs don't work


 

 

15 Feb 2013 03:13:35
I tried to be optimistic the other day, believing a hard-fought 1-0 win at Zenit can bring back the confidence into the side. How wrong was I! I had hoped of a solid defensive performance, and Joe Allen showing some form, but neither happened, and now it will be difficult to keep Zenit scoreless at Anfield.

On the Rodgers front, I actually liked his idea of possession football from the start, but what's unacceptable for me is that he never has a Plan be or C when 4-3-3 fails. Never changes formation, or relies on counter-attacking football, this is a big worry. I still think we'll win on Sunday and reclaim 7th, but (God forbid) if we lose 3 in a row, then we seriously need someone who's flexible and more proven at this level.

Gogol

PS: Just thought I'd say this: How about targeting Arsene Wenger at season-end if Arsenal decide to finally replace him? He's someone who's known to buy quality, is shrewd in the market, and would attract good players even if we don't get Europa League.

Fellow Eds and Reds, let's see what you feel about this. {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about Arsene Wenger being Liverpool's manager next season.}


Yeah! he might bring some of his defenders with him.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 01:35:37
If we thought Blackpool were difficult to deal with before with regarding Tom Ince it's going to twice as hard now that his old man is set to be appointed as the new Blackpool Manager.


 

 

15 Feb 2013 01:00:44
Brendan Rodgers is playing exactly the game he said LFC would play, (possession football) he never said anything about scoring so give the man some credit.


Really looking forward to the Swansea game.
Would like to see Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge and Suso all in the side. I need a rest from Downing, Henderson and Stirling who are all ok players but that's all.
So win lose or draw, I would like to see some invention and clever play in the final 3rd.

kidmillions


 

 

15 Feb 2013 00:20:29
we have won 9 out of 26 league games this season

that is a shocking statistic

tom1975


 

 

15 Feb 2013 00:06:08
Even if by some miracle we managed to get into to the CL, Brenden rodgers has never been involved in a Cl game. Never, how the hell do you see it going? Surely we need some experience?


We will not make top 6


Top 10 at best


 

 

14 Feb 2013 23:55:19
Well now I have calmed down and thinking again, how are Liverpool going to change things? we can write off this season if we don't turn it around at Anfield, and time to buy players that we sorely need, our defenders can attack but not defend to well, our attackers can't score, and our midfield don't create enough! unless Sturridge is playing, since he's been injured we haven't won! so what are we going to do? let's hear it lads!


We need 1 or 2 player with physical+solid+strenght. Our central mid and central defender sometimes too vulnerable and cannot cope with physical+pace player (lukaku for example). And majority of our player is too lightweight!



-warhead


We haven't won since Carra was restored to the team. In fact we've conceded 2 goals in each game he has played since his return.

The man is an absolute legend and will always have a place in my greatest ever LFC XI but he's had his day.

It speaks volumes for the man that he is the only one at Liverpool who knows its time for him to retire.


You can't hold Carrra accountable for Agger's inability to track a man and Skrtel's unwillingness to close any player down when they are within shooting distance or even Pepe's rush to the head.

Agreed, he's not the player he was (who is at his age) but he is even now the only proper defender we have.


 

 

 
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