Liverpool Banter Archive December 15 2015

 

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15 Dec 2015 21:16:19
Just regarding Mignolet the club have offered him a new contract so they must be happy with him? Does any of the eds know if we are interested in any other keeper at the mo?

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{Ed002's Note - This question has been answered repeatedly.}

15 Dec 2015 21:01:21
Klopp has a tough job I'm sure most would agree?! How long will it take him to achieve his own genuine objectives of seriously competing top end regular?! Good luck to him and thanks. Patience is hard 👌.

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15 Dec 2015 21:17:44
We must progress year after year and see where that takes us.


15 Dec 2015 22:32:01
He wants the club to develop.
As long as we keep developing we will compete for trophies. It's not going to be overnight success.


15 Dec 2015 16:08:49
Hey lfc fans.
The lovren injury couldn't come at a worse time. Especially that sakho isn't ready yet
Already have Sturridge Out which is costing the firepower upfront. And then i was a bit shocked how many games Liverpool has starting from Watford game to the Manchester United game in jan. Has anyone seen the fixture lost between those games?
It's madness and surely some of the youngsters are going to get a game now.

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15 Dec 2015 17:34:10
It could have come at a worse time, it could have happened the same time as Sakho.


15 Dec 2015 20:37:51
Shame young Gomez is out.


15 Dec 2015 23:28:13
I expect Can might play there a game or two if necessary.


15 Dec 2015 23:47:31
Cans wasted there.


15 Dec 2015 23:58:00
I would rather lucas play there.


16 Dec 2015 01:23:51
Won't toure just play there?


16 Dec 2015 01:26:32
Yes can may be wasted there but if toure is not fit then it has to be can over Lucas at CB, Lucas there is a joke surely? Hendos and Lucas Cms isn't lacking anything that can will provide. Anyway sakho may be back in time.


15 Dec 2015 14:22:45
Blaming Mignolet for errors is not right. Our entire defence is fragile with everyone at the back is a mistake waiting to happen. May it be Skirted, Clyne, Lovren or Moreno. Either we promote someone from the youth team or get quality in the transfer market rather than just filling the positions for sake of it.

Can is showing improvements but looses ball too often in good situations. Lucas is mostly there to support the back 4 which is in a way right thing given the state of our defence.

I heard a commentator stating that Milner has created most chances for us this season. But how many of those were real chances. I still have reservations on Henderson taking us forward. I think he can be more effective with pace upfront rather than Benteke. Sturridge as always a big loss for us.

Ibe and Lallana are very inconsistent. I don't understand why these guys prefer to just run with the ball when either they can pass or shoot.

I still believe Firmino can be a class player but lacks confidence. I think he will come good if there are right players around him. We need out n out wingers. Origi is still unconvincing but should improve. Liked the way he got up from the tackle and scored even though it was via deflection.

Coutinho is the only player who is performing but lacks pace. However his trickery does make up for it.

As most of us feel I don't understand how Benteke fits into the team. I want to see how Sturridge and Benteke can play together. I believe Sturridge can bring best out of him.

All in all chances of getting into top 4 are very slim which was expected. For a while after City win expectations skyrocketed but let us be considerate. We need to give Klopp time to implement his ideas and getting the players he wants. And somehow for the last few matches I do not see us playing full throttle.

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15 Dec 2015 14:45:12
He was at fault for both goals. No ifs ands or buts.


15 Dec 2015 15:01:31
To be fair mignolet is largely at fault for goals v Norwich palace, saints and west brom . He's ave rating for prem lge keepers is rock bottom .


15 Dec 2015 15:20:55
For me Milner is the big mistery. Everyone here say consistently he is awful, the guy just cannot give a decent pass or cross if it is not to a person standing near him. and yet every pundit praise him as a great signing with all this 'chances creating' why has he so few assists then? The worse is though is that it seems that for Klopp Milner is the first name on the team sheet in every competition. Yes he runs a lot, strong and is always there to get the ball but what does all this worth when he cannot give a pass for more than two yards?


15 Dec 2015 15:35:10
And also at fault for the goal vs Bordeaux or are you going to blame that on the defence too, Sasha? Mingo has been here three seasons now and is still making the same mistakes and costing us goals and in some cases, points like he did when he first arrived. What does that tell you, Sasha? It tells me that he`s not going to get any better and we aren`t good enuff yet to overcome his mistakes and the WBA game was a good example of that. I have been wary of criticizing him but after Sunday, I`m officially done. with him. It doesn`t matter how good your defence is. if the GK is laying eggs on the field at the most crucial of times, you will always struggle.


15 Dec 2015 15:44:43
The goalkeeper dictates the defence - if a goalkeeper is calm and assured then there is a good chance the defenders in front of him will be. If he is erratic, panicked, unpredictable and unable to command his area then his defenders are not going to be resting easy and the nervousness he instills in them will become apparent.

Mignolet is the single biggest cause of our defensive fragility. Even in games where he is not directly responsible for goals he is an important factor as his actions unsettle his own defence. I'm not saying Skrtel or Lovren are perfect - i've previously mentioned Skrtel's rank habit of retreating backwards indefinitely when under pressure - but Mignolet organises nobody and just puts the jitters up everyone around him with his play. I have no clue who'd be worth signing but I'm pretty sure we need to move Mignolet on if we want to have a solid defence than can actually stop conceding goals.


15 Dec 2015 17:58:55
If mignolet came out and caught that cross for the first goal it doesn't matter if you have 11 dustbins defending, the goal wouldn't have gone in.


15 Dec 2015 18:13:18
Our clean sheet record is pretty good which shows its not the defence its calamity mignolet.


15 Dec 2015 19:59:01
Has he not made more mistakes that contributed directly to a goal than any other keeper for the last so long? I'm sure I read that somewhere.


15 Dec 2015 20:38:38
Wassa-lfc your right. Since joining migs has made 8 mistakes that have directly resulted in a goal, that's more than any other GK in the league!

Even the response that eveyone uses as an excuse for him saying that "he's a good shot stopper" can be thrown out the water. Again since joining he has saved 67.6% of shots against him which ranks him 18th out of 31. Not even top half!

The worst and most damning stat is that migs has chosen to punch more crosses (80) than those he has caught (79). Comparatively, the majority of other GKs have all caught at least double the amount of crosses than they have punched. That in itself highlights migs major flaw in a basic technique expected of a GK, he can't catch!

I always have and will continue to believe he is the biggest liability in the Liverpool starting line up. Although I think our only hope of a replacement is seeing if Danny ward can claim the number 1 jersey after a good year with Aberdeen.


15 Dec 2015 20:45:19
Blaming Mingolet is 100% right, he's a poor keeper. How anyone can say different is beyond me. His mistakes go back a long while, he's not going to change overnight. Let's get rid and hope the next keeper is calm and assured in what he does.


15 Dec 2015 22:35:32
For me it's not about blaming anyone for x, y and z. Mignolet is not a top 4 keeper, it's as simple as that. Sunderland was his level.


15 Dec 2015 22:46:05
I don't blame migs for that goal vs Bordeaux you can't predict a referee enforcing the rules such as that, as i said at the time I have seen countless keepers take much longer to kick from their hands. It's the first time I have ever seen a keeper pulled up on it in 10 years and it was a bullshit call considering they've let so many other go.

Now I agree as I always have Migs was NEVER good enough his footwork poor and his kicking. Though people blame him for his distribution being slow, when you watch him he's always looking for the quick throw and at times he got it, especially when we had SASAS boy did he get that ball otu quick to them at times, this year I have seen the same when sturridge plays.
However, because of the immobility of Benteke he has really slowed down, Benteke doesn't move, he sits, jumps and nods it down to whomever may be running on. he doesn't try and peel off, find space or anything, he's peter crouch at times.

Also to say the keeper is the dictator of the defense is rubbish, that's why you have centrebacks that talk and command. sorry but to simply blame our poor set piece defending and other parts on Migs is a cop out. Skrtel is ludicrously poor at communicating and so lacking in confidence he bring those around him down, hence he constantly used to back pass to migs and almost always waited till Migs had pressure on him, saving himself from blame, which for me was just cowardly and buck passing. Mignolet is NOT the single biggest cause of our defensive fragigility, that fragility was there when pepe was there but sur every one go ahead and forget about BR's first season in charge and pepe's/Skrtels/Aggers inability to defend.

Skrtel Lovren and Clyne are simply not good enough as well as Migs, simply blaming Migs and saying he's the ''defensive corner stone' is a massive cop out, other than Sakho, Not a single one of our defenders do I consider good enough.


16 Dec 2015 01:18:44
Boba, the law is the law and just because some refs couldn't be arsed to follow it by calling it a foul doesn't make it any less a foul. Mingo had the ball for TWENTY TWO seconds and the rule is six seconds. Sorry bro, he caused the goal just like he cost us goal vs WBA. Those are the facts.


16 Dec 2015 09:32:50
I know the laws the law, but it should be enforced regularly, and across the board not haphazard when a referee choses Ohio. I don't particularly blame Migs, he and other keepers were so used to holding onto it for such long periods (particular examples when closing out games and keepers catch a ball from a corner go to ground and lay there for 10 seconds get up, hold onto it for 10 more, walk to the other side of the box, kick it after 30 seconds. The inconsistency in the enforcement caused the issue not Migs. I don't mind migs getting pinged, but maybe from now on, there should be some sort of stop clock played from when a keeper catches it and a buzzer goes off like in basketball having a shotclock? It's not really a hard rule to apply effectively and highlights how poor reffing has become.

Yes he caused the goal vs west brow but as I have said in other threads he saved us points vs spurs everton etc. but people are keen to forget those performances.


{Ed001's Note - when did he save us points that any other keeper in the Premier League would not have made the save? There has never been an instance when he has done anything that was beyond the expectations of an average keeper. Never. So to suggest he saved us points is nonsense, you would expect any keeper to make those saves at this level.}

16 Dec 2015 10:57:41
Thing is boba, that's what his remit is, to save goal bound shots and as ed001 says, most keepers in the premier league would have saved them.
If a striker had scored 10 goals but at the same time scored 5 avoidable own goals you'd criticise him for the own goals.


16 Dec 2015 11:25:38
But the point is ed he did make those saves and they saved us points, if we're going to level the same blame of mistakes costing points, Skrtel's in ability to defend has let people through on goal. I've said previously with you and mentioned 3 great saves he made about a year and a half ago that saved us points and you disagreed about them being world class I don't see the point in having a debate about what conbstitues a world class save again it's going over old ground ed001. And I just can't be arsed with it.

I could argue if I wanted for example Joe Allens horrific back pass that got caught out in europe and Mignolet coming and heading it outside the area (poor header, but regardless their player was through as one time Migs saved us a point (same game as the ill times distribution I think) or how about every time Skrtel or some one gives away a dumb pentaly that migs has saved example when we beat stoke 1-0 studge scored and we gave a penalty away in the last minute which he seaved, that save saved us 2 points. Is it world class. NO, does he save us 2 points. yes. Do we expect every keeper to save every penalty. no. It's pretty subjective when you're bringing in ''world class saves'' but undeniably that save saved us 2 points did it not?


{Ed001's Note - so you have come up with one then, well done. The rest is just unrelated gibberish. If we had a better keeper organising the defence, Skrtel might not make so many mistakes, so you have to leave out the initial error and just focus on what he actually does. Such as how Migs has the lowest save percentage in the Prem.}

16 Dec 2015 11:28:07
Terrible analogy Ron. And not really what the debate was about. Something more akin would be every time a striker shoots and doesn't score/use the better option. see Countinho as an example of this.


16 Dec 2015 11:44:07
Not one ed001. Like I said I previously had this debate with you and mentioned 3 different ones last year, I don't see the point in going over old ground mate, you argued they weren't world class I argued I didn't believe many keepers would have made the same saves, we disagreed subjectively about them. I just don't see the point in doing this back and forth again pal, I just thought I'd highlight that one as it's the easiest to grasp.

I disagree. I think at set pieces yes the keeper needs to organise better, but when the play is free flowing, that's on Skrtel or whoever may be the defensive captain.

I don't know why you'd bring up the lwoest save percentage, we all know starts are misleading, you yourself believe that to be true, we also know migs has the most amount of clean sheets, Sorry ed you don't get it both ways for me and highlight his poor save % as a reason he's terrible and then say the clean sheets are nothing to do with him and stats are misleading.

Is there anything he can do when Newscastle counter attack us? When Moreno let's his man drift off him at the far post for a header like chelsea, maybe a world class keeper would have got to Agueros shot, maybe they wouldn't but it was a cracking shot, would a world class keeper have stopped bolasies opener after can's poor clearance?
We've restricted the shots at Migs but it means nothing if we then gift easy and golden opportunities in the box for opposition players. So essentially altering stats.


{Ed001's Note - you are obviously not getting my point, I was using an in-context stat to show how he is not making any special saves, as we know he is failing to stop lots of shots he should save, let alone all his pathetic errors. You are going back over old ground because you are having to in defence of the indefensible, Mignolet is a crap keeper and he has saved nothing special and your pointless defence of his uselessness is just ridiculous. I am done with it though as you have nothing to add, just pulling up the same crap. Oh and as for clean sheets, that can easily be ignored because of the fact that in the same period he has conceded the most and saved the lowest percentage of shots. So yes, on their own stats are misleading, but we are adding them into a context of our own eyes, while you are just spouting nonsense in a bizarre attempt to defend dross.

He could have saved a large percentage of the shots he allowed in, which is something that gets pointed out regularly. I really do not know why you are so blind that you can't see what a truly dreadful keeper he is. He is not even a good shotstopper as can be seen by anyone who has eyes in their head, except somehow you.}

16 Dec 2015 12:05:08
I am not defending Migs. Just that BS call vs Bordeaux and don't really get all the criticism levelled at just him atm when Clyne Skrtel and Lovren clearly are not good enough. I have never said Mignolet was a good keeper, and I said at the time we purchased him he wasn't what we needed (nor did I agree begovic was. I didn't rate either that we were seemingly in for)

Are your refuting that reducing shots but still allowing easier opportunities (as has occurered) will not change the shot save percentages? I was trying to add my own little bit of context to the stat you highlighted ed. I don't see what was nonesense about the samples I highlighted personally. Did you think he could have saved Aguero's shot, Bolasies, wignaldums coutner attack, Skrtels own goal, ramires header, Olsonns header fromm a set piece from the front post etc. I don't see many of those as anything to do with being his fault.
Possibly he could have come out for Dann's but Clyne was terrible and Dann just bullies (firmino I think) to get in position.

The only clear one in recent memory was dawsons goal which he was shocking.

Does Mignolet need to go YES

Is there some hypobole about almost every goal being his fault? for me YES

Are Skrtel Lovren Clyne blameless NO.


17 Dec 2015 22:57:37
Migs is the worst keeper we have had since westerweld. And westerweld was a better shot stopper, so I might being doing him a dis service. The reality is he should be able to be a decent shot stopper. That is basics of being a pl level keeper. He flaps and has literally no command of his area, which leaves to chaos in the area and panic in the back four. Poor decisions making. And no communication. Skyrtyl is awful but looked twice the player with raina behind him.
Lfc have good defender and need a keeper they have confidence in.
It reminds me of when David James took over from grobs. Grobs had great distribution, command and communication. Defence looked solid, same defender with James behind and looked a mess.


15 Dec 2015 10:22:39
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Mapp Makes History As Bolton Move Nearer Becoming History

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15 Dec 2015 09:26:52
Leicester city prove the doubters wrong. Again!

I am just loving this team.

Maybe we should try for Mahrez in the summer. I know its a very long shot and risky but worth a try imo.

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15 Dec 2015 09:49:14
The Best winger in England without a doubt. He has exceptional pace and trickery, Very intellegent on the ball and one rare breed who has a very short back lift ( another being Fowler) . The Algerian is worth in millions and surely not a one season wonder as he possess SKILL.

May be we should bring back Markovic whose very similar to Maherz.


15 Dec 2015 12:00:46
Algerian are naturally skilful. Zidane is of algerian descent.


15 Dec 2015 12:16:17
Lovely bit of stereotyping there. Are the English players thuggish and the Germans boring but efficient as well?


15 Dec 2015 12:38:33
As I said yesterday, no team in the history of the Pl who were 1st after 16 games finished outside the top 4. So in all likelihood they will be playing in the CL next season. we will probably not. Why would he want to come to us?


15 Dec 2015 12:41:00
It's true. I met an Algerian with no legs and he still managed to sell me with a step over and skin me with a cheeky nutmeg.


15 Dec 2015 12:42:31
Talk about being butt hurt over nothing. stereotyping? Really?


15 Dec 2015 13:40:03
Algeria do have wonderful players who will more than make grade in bpl. There is one fergouli who is beastly striker. If u watch them at last world cup they were wonderful, pity we din raid them for some players. Guess its always the Leicesters and Southamptons who get to unearth these gems.


15 Dec 2015 13:52:21
I'm not hurt. I'm just pointing out the ridiculous nonsense of the statement - from x country therefore good at y ability. It is stereotypical nonsense - he's skillful because he's skillful. It's the same nonsense that led 90% of Liverpool fans to believe William was a pacey, skillful winger who would be the solution to our attacking issues when we went after him just because he was Brazilian and played in an attacking position - as opposed to the hard working all rounder that he actually is! Players don't have attributes because they are from certain nationalities, it just doesn't exist beyond a slight trend in national teams dictated entirely by managerial preferences at the time.


15 Dec 2015 15:31:56
Hj, get down from your high horse.


15 Dec 2015 15:37:22
Always wary of players who tear it up at smaller clubs with no pressure to perform every game and then they come here and choke on the pressure of playing at a big club. Love Mahrez as a player but I`d rather we go for someone who can handle the pressure of performing at a big club.


15 Dec 2015 17:30:08
Feghouli is a winger not a striker.


15 Dec 2015 21:24:47
I'm sure Mahrez would love to come to Liverpool and be chided, game after game, by Aldridge, Thompson, and many fans, for not "playing to Benteke's strengths" and providing Benteke with "awful service".

Isn't it every skilled player's dream to take the ball wide and cross it into the box to feed a static CF, who does little work but reaps the glory?


15 Dec 2015 22:40:02
The aim should be to produce our own Mahrez.
How many pacey skilful attacking players do we have?
Ibe, Markovic, Ojo, Kent - off the top of my head.

This is why we are struggling, we go and sign one season wonders instead of developing our youngsters who have great potential.

I'd love Mahrez but I'd prefer we developed Ibe or Ojo.


15 Dec 2015 23:59:37
Markovic does not possess enough guile.


16 Dec 2015 01:21:02
Spot on, Ron!


15 Dec 2015 09:21:02
On Klopps walk to the Kop; from my perspective he is right - the club are a "we" not a "them" and "us". Maybe some more mutual appreciation will help us drive on together. It has become too easy for opposition players to come to Anfield; the real intimidation of players of the past has been lost; this isn't a local v day tripper debate; there's 40,000 LFC fans there to see the squad perform; if this is the first step in getting buy in from all sides to recreate the "old" atmospheres I'm all for it.

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15 Dec 2015 10:33:22
It was cringeworthy.


{Ed001's Note - why? The players should thank the fans after every match.}

15 Dec 2015 09:50:37
Its a simple gesture to thank people who pay to watch the team perform. I find this extreamly motivational. Its a cutlre followed in Germany regularly regardless of the result.


15 Dec 2015 11:51:42
I think it was a very clever move by Klopp. Build a strong bond with the fans, build momentum, improve the atmosphere as a result. All hopefully to improve all of us and get us to where Klopp wants us to be.


15 Dec 2015 12:17:13
The quote he said when he arrived summed it up perfectly for me, it was along the lines of 'football is nothing more than a hobby for the fans, to forget their problems for 90 minutes and have a good time. ' This is so true, we want to be entertained, like a show, where the cast thank the audience at the end.


15 Dec 2015 12:18:59
I was there and for didn't think it was cringeworthy.


15 Dec 2015 13:44:51
At least try and be honest with yourselves, if Van Gaal did the same thing we'd all be pissing ourselves for days
However I don't have any problem if this show of togetherness is a new idea that is going to happen every game.
As a one off it was cringeworthy.


{Ed001's Note - speak for yourself, it is something Dortmund did under Klopp and it was universally admired. No idea what your problem with it is.}

15 Dec 2015 14:18:07
Your argument would be valid if we'd been doing it every game since Klopp came in but we haven't
As I said, if it now happens every game then fair enough.


{Ed001's Note - even though in every other game the atmosphere has been terrible? Your argument is the invalid one. You have missed the point completely, like all the moronic pundits, the Robbie Savages of this world that you are agreeing with. The fans were being thanked for their support, as they actually made a great atmosphere and helped the team.}

15 Dec 2015 15:46:11
I'll consider myself corrected.


15 Dec 2015 16:06:50
Ed, be easy on, please. In other European countries, clubs do that all the time especially after the fans gave their every breathe to help drag the team out of the quagmire it may have been in during the game. Because English fans and supporters have no idea of the significance of thanking the fans like that after games, doesn`t make it a bad thing. I suggest people should watch more footie apart from the BPL in order to broaden their horizons. As for the Robbie Savage type pundits who know nothing else apart from English football? No comment!


15 Dec 2015 16:59:26
I just wish he did something at the beginning of games to get the crowd going.
The noise was awesome at the end.
It should be like that from kick off.


15 Dec 2015 17:23:15
Reminiscent of Shanks going to the Kop and getting them singing.


15 Dec 2015 17:59:52
I take my hat off to both Klopp and the Anfield faithful. Klopp was brave enough to question the crowd leaving early against Palace, asked the crowd for the best atmosphere against West Brom and they responded. If it looks daft, cringeworthy or whatever to those watching on tv, who cares? The lack of atmosphere has been spoken about for quite some time now. Credit Klopp and our fans for addressing it.


15 Dec 2015 20:27:38
Motion Lotion, it is only cringeworthy to those who don`t know anything about football outside of the BPL. The rest of us who watch other leagues know this is common practice, which is what Klopp is trying to introduce and more power to him.


15 Dec 2015 20:53:50
Can't see why you are so against it Chris, I can certainly see the reasoning behind it.


15 Dec 2015 08:46:52
I expect the team to where it is atm tbh, klopp has made us more difficult to beat but ultimately its the same group of players that under preformed for rodgers for much of his tenure. Fatigue plays a part in the drop in performance of some players while others are just falling back into bad habits it is to be expected now that klopp has settled in. I expect the club to reshape the team yet again in the summer but hopefully not the wholesale changes as under rodgers and this help to build continuity and a team going forward.

Im glad to see origi making me eat my words about him and.

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14 Dec 2015 23:17:05
Is it just me or is anybody else looking forward to the return of the scouse Cafu?

I really think he can go on and be a pivotal part of klopps defence.

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15 Dec 2015 05:33:02
While i hope he recovers fully, i think he is more limited than many remember. He will be a helpful squad member but will not set the world alight in my view.


15 Dec 2015 07:04:57
He was a decent player, but since then he has had 2 knee ops, and he hasn´t played for a long time. Don´t expect him to come in and change things right away.


15 Dec 2015 08:26:21
he is finished as player.


{Ed001's Note - how on earth can you possibly know that? Idiotic comment.}

15 Dec 2015 08:33:46
I think people got a bit carried away with Flanno's performances close on 2 yrs ago. I remember the heart and the fight and willingness to run through a brick wall, but I also recall him struggling when turned and being taken off at half time in our last home game against Newcastle, when he failed to cope with Remy, breaking down the left. I have watched him from a young age and have always had reservation of him being a top class full back because of his lack of pace. I hope he proves me wrong, because he's a top lad and deserves a bit of luck. Please don't build him up to knock him down if he fails. Good Luck Flanno you deserve it.


15 Dec 2015 08:47:10
For mw its his pass sharpness I like, always quick, direct and 9 times out of ten there forward.


15 Dec 2015 08:49:16
Sadly Ed this seems to be the thing now that when some one does a knee their career is instantaneously over to the idiots.


15 Dec 2015 08:51:21
and isn't that the problem?

Not the building them up bit but the fact that people are so quick to knock them down.

Young players need to be encouraged to go out and just play football. Of course they will make mistakes and that is part of the process as long as they learn from them. If they aren't good enough then that will quickly show and they can be moved on with a thank you for trying but you just didn't cut it.

I also personally think he was far more assured than many of those above give him credit for. He has his limitations but he can defend. We don't have a depth of talent in that department in the current squad.


15 Dec 2015 09:00:07
Gary Neville didn't have pace and he would walk into most people's all time Premier League XI.

Flanno is great at tackling, strong, deceptively good in the air and on the ball, incredibly hard working etc. He just needs to work on his crossing and reading of the game assuming he comes back as good as he was when he left. Let's not forget he is only 22.


15 Dec 2015 09:54:28
Neville wouldn't of got into a all time premier league 11 if Rob Jones didn't have injuries throughout his career. No pace, It all depends on who you have covering you at centre half like Rio, or Roy Keane coming across from a holding role. Flanno next to skrtle with Lucas holding, you wouldn't want him driving forward would you, honestly? He would be fantastic in L V G side. It's an opinion. I think the world of Flannagan I just don't want people building him up, let's hope he comes back and has a great career.


15 Dec 2015 10:41:40
Gary Neville didn't even make Roy Keanes Man Utd best 11.He chose Paul Parker at right back. What did Parker have, that Neville didn't? He was quicker. Let's leave it at that.


{Ed001's Note - Gary Neville wasn't that great, nothing to do with pace, just that he was a leader rather than a great player. He was a decent right back who linked well with Beckham, in particular, which worked well. Without Becks he was nowhere near as effective. Like every position, good partnerships improve a player, he was able to work well with those alongside him. A bit like the way Southampton get more out of their players, as they work well as a group, far more than they are individually special. The Manchester United of the Fergie era were a team that worked well together to get the most out of each other.}

15 Dec 2015 11:34:41
I actually think Roy Keane and Rio and Stam before him made him look better than he was by covering his lack of pace. I still think he was a good defender, Like I think Flanno's a good defender but they will never IMO be top class. If You had a 22yr Old fit Rob Jones and a 22yr old fit John Flannagan to play right back who do you pick? The thing with this site that makes me post is that we all have an opinion. You're right Ed Partnerships are important like style of play and tactics . I remember reading a Biography I think Tommy Smiths and in it refers to Emlyn Hughes going to Sir Bob and telling him that the defeat they suffered was down to Tommy being too slow at his age to play the high line. Paisley dropped Tommy from the team. The next game they lost, Bob said to Emlyn that maybe Tommy wasn't the only one who was getting to old and slow to play the way he wanted them too. Both players were gone from the club within a yr. Cheers for the site Ed. I haven't got a problem with Flanno I just don't like building players up.


{Ed001's Note - Rob Jones was a special talent to be fair.}

15 Dec 2015 12:21:43
Leekuanyew " You'll never walk alone (as long as you don't get injured) ".


15 Dec 2015 12:29:15
Rob Jones is working with the Academy with Connor Randall and Trent Alexandra Arnold, the lad who played Right Back at Swindon, pre-season. Now I can see young Trent With Robs coaching making the grade in the future.


15 Dec 2015 16:14:39
Leekuanyew, your post is pathetic and disgraceful. You should be ashamed of yourself but then again, you`re prolly not. I hope and pray that Flanno proves you wrong.


15 Dec 2015 17:07:21
If Flanagan wasn't a scouser wouldn't be at Liverpool.


{Ed023's Note - If your aunt was a man he'd be your uncle}

15 Dec 2015 20:59:57
Lee, While I think Flanno is limited how can you say he's finished?


14 Dec 2015 23:12:24
Pleased to say I went to the game yesterday first time going to anfield ( I live in Swansea btw) and loved every minute of it atmosphere was amazing only disappointment was the result, have to say tho Milner is absolute garbage and not a big fan of lallana if I'm honest paid way over the odds for him! need a new keeper Aswell.

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15 Dec 2015 08:30:29
Who does this Aswell play for - I've never heard of him! Mignolet made a blunder over the weekend but so did de Gea who has a far better reputation. It's the same old story about the goalkeeper but we have seen a lot more blunders through the years by the likes of Skrtel and even the 'mighty' Carragher. Every missed attempt at goal that the forward players make is basically a blunder. Had Benteke scored that early chance against Newcastle then I have no doubt that the opposition would have collapsed and Liverpool won comfortably. What annoys me about Mignolet is the fact that he is unable to set up any attack. He normally interchanges two or three passes with the backs and is then forced to kick the ball, nine times out of ten into touch. There are several other players who we should be rid of before Mignolet. I personally believe that we haven't had a great goalkeeper since Ray Clemence. Even Reina made a lot of mistakes in his last couple of seasons.


{Ed001's Note - you seriously think Grobs wasn't a great keeper? If so then you clearly have no idea and we can just ignore your whole post as you know absolutely nothing about goalkeeping.}

15 Dec 2015 08:57:09
Reina was a far better keeper than migs as was grobellar, westerveld, jersey dudek etc. Its not that difficult to be a competent keeper, its just that migs doesn't help himself. Should we keep him, yes we have no other options and no money to replace him. Should we keep him if we get in champs league, yes but as an understudy to a better keeper. I suspect we are waiting to see how ward develops before splashing money we might not need to spend.


15 Dec 2015 11:45:31
Who does this Aswell play for I've never heard of him haha really mate? Stupid comment! Mignolet not good enough for Liverpool simple as since he's played for us he's made more errors leading to goals than any other goalkeeper in the prem, get another keeper in and use migs as back up!


15 Dec 2015 12:23:13
Grobs won 13 major trophies and was ever present for about 8 seasons.

Not great? You're having a laugh!


15 Dec 2015 12:43:33
Great player but let's say ethically sketchy,


15 Dec 2015 15:22:17
Ron Keague, although I agree that Grobs was a great keeper.

Victor Valdes has an unimaginable amount of trophies to his name, and he's probably one of the most abysmal goalkeepers ever grace the field. He is simply horrendous in every aspect of his game.


15 Dec 2015 16:15:06
Jason - the Aswell comment was a joke - I know it should be 'as well' but it was a comment on your illiteracy (who is not an Italian goalkeeper by the way) . As for Ed001 - you can't ignore the whole post as you have already read it by the time you come to the comment about Clemence. Grobbelaar was very good (which was enough at the time) but couldn't be considered great.


{Ed001's Note - I can ignore it as it is pointless discussing it with someone who knows so little about the art of goalkeeping.}

15 Dec 2015 16:17:35
I bet he never saw Grobbs play neither and just mouthing off something he heard from a friend. Mingo should be replaced ASAP with Bogdan now and with a new keeper in the summercos his errors are killing us at the moment.


15 Dec 2015 17:28:01
You'd have to know zilch about goalies to think Grabbitlar wasn't great.

He was fantastic and he made things easy for the back four.


15 Dec 2015 23:13:43
Hi redohio - I did actually see Grobbelaar - I saw him on Brookside way back in 1994! We are starting matches trailing by a goal at the present time and this is not all the fault of the goalkeeper. There are a lot of issues that have to be sorted out by sorting out the defence and midfielders also (Aswell)! ) have to take responsibity for attempting o score goals. I will also say that we have the best display team - we are full of red errors!


16 Dec 2015 01:26:48
I saw Grobelaar play in the 80's as well. He was a great GK, end of.


15 Dec 2015 00:03:13
Migs set for a new contract. Listen I don't get it, but I trust Klopp.
There's nothing we can do about it as fans other than back what the manager does and get behind the player. Here's to hoping we sign at least One quality outfield player though. With Sturridge completely gone it's like we're constantly a Top Player down, we need all the match winners we can because this is clearly This the worst side we've had in the last 20 years, but the Best manager.

Believable6 Unbelievable14

{Ed007's Note - I think saying this is the worst Liverpool team of the last 20 years is a bit much mate.}

15 Dec 2015 01:55:55
i disagree, i really don't think our squad is that bad. its actually a decent squad mate in my opinion. not great, bt not bad.


15 Dec 2015 02:28:10
Dbol, u seem to bash the squad at almost every turn. What's your problem, exactly? Would you prefer the former regime where we were going nowhere fast? Our squad is severely unbalanced but is defo good enuff to get top four especially in such a poor PL. I want Mingo gone as well because I'm sick of his inability to cut out his mistakes that cost us goals BUT to say that our squad with Firmino, Studge, Couts, Sahko, Benteke, Can, Moreno, Ibe with youngsters like Origi, Rossiter, Smith, Ojo and Tex coming thru, the worst squad in two decades is beyond the pale and worst of all, has no basis in fact. Support the team and the manager or jog off, mate.


15 Dec 2015 05:01:27
Not sure if it is true about Migs.

We missed a good opportunity to replace him at the end of last season.


15 Dec 2015 05:35:58
Worst squad? You are kidding yourself. We may have had better starting 11s but we have struggled as a squad for 25 years.


15 Dec 2015 06:42:51
Not one world class player, at Liverpool Football Club? Nah your living in a red tinted world some of you,
What's this squad won? Lounging about in 7th, 8th I wish some of you would wake up sometimes. We are Liverpool!
Not Everton.


15 Dec 2015 07:17:39
You don't need the best players to be the best team.


15 Dec 2015 07:58:15
Konchesky, poulsen, Ngog. This is far from our worst squad in 20 years. Klopp, as he has said is building a team that won't lose. So we need to stick with it. As for migs a. He needs him for the rest of the season. And b. Won't want to slate the keeper to devalue him. C. None of us know what he's thinking. So sit back enjoy the ride and try remain positive!


15 Dec 2015 08:33:32
The real difference between the game on Sunday and the Southampton game is our efforts went in at st marys and didn't against brom.

I have watched the hsme back twice and we wernt that bad just the 18 years box were we didn't get any luck other than that we were quite good tbh.

Onto benteke I feel he played how he's meant to on the weekend, he isn't going to run in behind too much but if we get everyone around him like wasps and have the balls up tk him, I actually think we can get this team firing.

It does take a lot of work on the training field to start to understand how he plays and how you play with him.


15 Dec 2015 09:56:20
Daniel Sturridge was the difference between Southampton and West brom. He scored out of no where from a pass which he failed to control for the first time. The second was one of the most difficult in footie to score from a half voley.
Once the two goal went in, Southampton opened up themselves committing players forward. we got the space which we were looking and capitalised.

The first 20 mts of every game at home is very crucial, If you nick one in, you have a chance to double it as the oppoistion would be chasing the game from there on.

If you dont, then they sit back and relax, take a point and go back home.


15 Dec 2015 13:17:29
I know we are all entitled to our own opinions on here but seriously DBol? Worst team of the last 20 years? Are you still dreaming of the days when Konchesky would hurtle down the wing and pass to Poulson who would chip in for Voronin to score? Those glory days are behind us, pal.
And I am Klopps biggest fan at the moment but how on earth can you call him our best manager when he's overseen a handful of games?
Red-tinted our specs may be but brown-tinted is the stuff that you type.


15 Dec 2015 15:01:33
Migs contract is nothing more than keeping up his value.


15 Dec 2015 17:32:19
If we want to preserve Migs value we should drop him ASAP.


15 Dec 2015 21:08:49
Papetwee, Mingolet should be first out of the door and De Gea has saved and won the mancs numerous points over past few seasons not least against us.


 
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