Liverpool Banter Archive August 15 2016

 

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15 Aug 2016 22:23:04
Looks like Arbeloa going the Mackems. should we have tried for him as cover?

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15 Aug 2016 22:52:05
Mane will tear him apart.


15 Aug 2016 23:47:06
No we shouldn't have as he is old news and no longer good enuff.


16 Aug 2016 04:49:46
We don't need to worry about Mane, he plays for us. Anybody will tear Moreno apart, in fact he's doing a grand job on his own. I can't see Mliner doing much better.


16 Aug 2016 05:15:04
Any of you guys can share why they are called Mackems? I have to googled it just to find out what you guys meant by "Mackems", but couldn't find why.


16 Aug 2016 05:17:59
It's ok. Found it.


16 Aug 2016 07:28:26
If Klopp is sticking with Moreno. (and Milner) for left back. then let's just get behind them and show our support.
Especially Moreno.


16 Aug 2016 08:00:06
I don't think LFC would be making a mistake if they put in a bid for Kieran Gibbs. He is defensively sound and good enough going forward. Would fit in well with Klopp's vision and tactics. And Gibbs seems to be going nowhere with Arsenal. Win win situation for both Gibbs and LFC. What do you think Ed001?


{Ed001's Note - he is awful defensively, lightweight, injury prone. He would be nowhere near good enough to be an improvement on Milner. He is fast and that is it.}

16 Aug 2016 08:12:48
Okay Ed. Thanks. :-)


16 Aug 2016 08:16:31
Gibbs? He's worse than Moreno.


16 Aug 2016 08:17:17
Was told it's make-em's
They used to build ships.


15 Aug 2016 22:19:00
For my first Post I thought I would do a player run down in my own view. First off thank god for a win but I'll end up in a hospital if we win like that every week.

To start with Firmino- seems to lack concentration at times in the first half and even in the second his first touch was awful bouncing off his foot he was better dribbling in the second though.

Coutinho great game once he got up to it. I've noticed in games once he scores he gains his confidence and goes to another level. In games he doesn't he will just take wild shots looking for it.

Mane - Great signing has pace and purpose and unlike Sterling, Ibe, and Markovic can shoot a ball.

Henderson - Undervalued his distribution is good so is his work rate would like to seem him marshal the players a little more on set plays.

Wijnaldum - Good second half not great good pass to Lallana will need to do more to keep his starting spot.

Lallana - If he can add more goals and assists to his game will push on to the next level will also need to keep doing so to keep his spot.

Clyne - Was ok finally managed to get a good cross in really needs to drive at players more with the ball slows down the attack too often. Terrible defending on the Chamberlain goal

Lovren - Did ok needs to cancel out the rash challenges looks for a positive pass with the ball.

Klavan - Great business so far doesn't panic with the ball at his feet and has deceptive pass when chasing down also good in the air.

Moreno - Terrible game needs to remember his position and that he could be trying out now for what team he plays for next. Sometimes he tries to hard to show he can defend as the PK instead of playing simple. Also needs tactical awareness if he goes forward needs to make sure someone picks his man up.

Mignolet - Not good enough for me. needs to marshal his defense at all times which it doesn't seem like he does. Possible could have come out and got the ball on the third goal.

Apologies for such a long post just wished to do a run down of the starters and what I saw from the game. Overall I'm pleased from the second half but need to start games better almost seemed to nervous to play the first half. Excited to see where we go this year. Klopp please give some 1 on 1 training to Moreno if you're not going to sign anyone else.

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15 Aug 2016 22:54:57
Actually thought Mignolet did OK? Couldn't really do much about the goals and even his kicking wasn't too bad?


15 Aug 2016 23:04:52
Mignolet was fine yesterday.


15 Aug 2016 23:15:28
Migs could have done better with Oxlade Chamberlains goal. A keeper should not get beaten at his near post so easily. Being picky though, he did OK.


15 Aug 2016 23:48:36
Migs showed that he's been working on his footwork in the offseason as he showed more confidence in one game than he's shown since he came here. Credit to him.


15 Aug 2016 23:50:06
A bit harsh Ron. He was in position to collect it and it deflected off lovren. I thought Migs had a good game overall. The penalty save was at a perfect height for him but he still had to guess the right way and get it away from goal.


16 Aug 2016 00:39:13
Migs had a good game, and apart from a fairly anonymous start (but not as bad as some others), Firmino was very good, but largely agree with the rest.


16 Aug 2016 00:55:56
To all those that replied saying Migs did OK yes he did do OK but if we hope to push on this season we need more than that. Was it not Shankly who said "Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling, aim for the ceiling and you'll never leave the floor. "

His shot stopping can not be questioned he is good. However, although it did not happen in this game some occasion he is quick to punch and parry and it goes write to an opposition player when he could have easily caught and held on to the ball. Now as to the Arsenal game the first goal he needs to lead and command his backline Walcott being that open his partially his fault. The third goal watch where the cross ends up right at his six yard box and instead of going to attack and collect it he backs off to his goal line. What that tells me is he doesn't trust his depth perception ability, meaning where to catch the ball at its highest point possible. Mignolets weakness is his mental game and decision making not his physical qualities.


16 Aug 2016 01:19:38
I thought Mignolet had a poor game overall in terms of decision making and distribution. He looks unassured most of the time. May be trying too hard as he probably knows his starting place is gone once Karius is back fit.


16 Aug 2016 08:22:12
Mignolet wouldn't have saved oxlades it deflected right in front of him. And there's no chance he could have come and claimed the cross for chambers' goal.


16 Aug 2016 10:12:50
Not Mignolets biggest fan by any means but I don't think he could have come and caught free kick as too many players in the way. I thought he was ok but still needs replacing as mistakes happen far too often.


17 Aug 2016 10:04:12
Your assessment of Firmino is just bizarre. He was tireless up front, linked up well with team mates, kept the ball very well, created chances and space. I thought he had an excellent game - he seems to be improving constantly, certainly he has come on leaps and bounds since he first joined us (perhaps now used to the English game) - he will be a big player for us.


15 Aug 2016 22:19:00
For my first Post I thought I would do a player run down in my own view. First off thank god for a win but I'll end up in a hospital if we win like that every week.

To start with Firmino- seems to lack concentration at times in the first half and even in the second his first touch was awful bouncing off his foot he was better dribbling in the second though.

Coutinho great game once he got up to it. I've noticed in games once he scores he gains his confidence and goes to another level. In games he doesn't he will just take wild shots looking for it.

Mane - Great signing has pace and purpose and unlike Sterling, Ibe, and Markovic can shoot a ball.

Henderson - Undervalued his distribution is good so is his work rate would like to seem him marshal the players a little more on set plays.

Wijnaldum - Good second half not great good pass to Lallana will need to do more to keep his starting spot.

Lallana - If he can add more goals and assists to his game will push on to the next level will also need to keep doing so to keep his spot.

Clyne - Was ok finally managed to get a good cross in really needs to drive at players more with the ball slows down the attack too often. Terrible defending on the Chamberlain goal

Lovren - Did ok needs to cancel out the rash challenges looks for a positive pass with the ball.

Klavan - Great business so far doesn't panic with the ball at his feet and has deceptive pass when chasing down also good in the air.

Moreno - Terrible game needs to remember his position and that he could be trying out now for what team he plays for next. Sometimes he tries to hard to show he can defend as the PK instead of playing simple. Also needs tactical awareness if he goes forward needs to make sure someone picks his man up.

Mignolet - Not good enough for me. needs to marshal his defense at all times which it doesn't seem like he does. Possible could have come out and got the ball on the third goal.

Apologies for such a long post just wished to do a run down of the starters and what I saw from the game. Overall I'm pleased from the second half but need to start games better almost seemed to nervous to play the first half. Excited to see where we go this year. Klopp please give some 1 on 1 training to Moreno if you're not going to sign anyone else.

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15 Aug 2016 19:54:43
Apparently Liverpool broke the record for distance covered i'm a match, at 117km. Not bad for the first game of the season!
On the note of training regimes, do you think arsenals injury record is so poor because of theirs? Wenger seems like the kind of manager who would be into all the sports science stuff and not train them hard.
Also, could that be part of the reason we picked up a fair few last season, because Rodgers trained them softly and they just weren't used to it when Klopp made them work hard?

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15 Aug 2016 21:00:35
Spurs have an average of 117.74km this year so not sure where your stat came from.

Most on opening weekend maybe?


15 Aug 2016 21:24:40
Maybe it's me, but I don't see why these kinds of statistics are thrown around nowadays. Does it mean you played well if you've run further than the other team? Not having a go at anyone, just wondering.


15 Aug 2016 22:48:28
Motion it's not just you its a pointless stat, take Lucas for instance, he will run less than most because he is usually in the right position. Whereas someone could charge up and down the pitch aimlessly and cover twice the distance.


15 Aug 2016 23:04:24
If you outrun your opponent you are far more likely to win. No guarantee, but you put yourself in a better position. The type of running is also obviously important. 60-70 sprints/ player is what we want.


15 Aug 2016 23:49:35
It was the highest distance Liverpool covered in the EPL under Klopp. Not highest ever not the highest any team has covered. Just since klopp joined it's the highest we covered.


15 Aug 2016 23:51:36
Eleven Mo Farrahs then?


16 Aug 2016 00:43:16
I hate these stats. We run more than everyone else, big deal. Only matters if they play well.


16 Aug 2016 01:08:40
Appparently its to do with arsenes pitch choice.

Tbere was an article a while back, its somethint different maybe sand. can't remember the details maybe one of the eds could further enlighten.


{Ed001's Note - the injuries? All excuses, it is simply that the players are not fit enough.}

16 Aug 2016 08:36:00
As someone who uses Stats professionally, a word of caution. Context is everything: to interpret stats properly you need a good understanding of the situation to which they apply. Focusing on one stat, like distance run, is unlikely to be useful.


{Ed001's Note - it is pointless Andy, I have tried and tried to point out that stats need context to be of any use. No one listens. Companies like Opta continues to publish these useless stats and push them as important as it is good advertising for their services.}

16 Aug 2016 08:36:00
As someone who uses Stats professionally, a word of caution. Context is everything: to interpret stats properly you need a good understanding of the situation to which they apply. Focusing on one stat, like distance run, is unlikely to be useful.


{Ed001's Note - it is pointless Andy, I have tried and tried to point out that stats need context to be of any use. No one listens. Companies like Opta continues to publish these useless stats and push them as important as it is good advertising for their services.}

16 Aug 2016 12:37:30
The statistic was hugest ever since video tracking was introduced.


16 Aug 2016 12:37:40
Highest*.


15 Aug 2016 18:03:56
So, after yesterday, I was approached by the little elderly lady who lives next door to me. She said to me.

"I don't mean to disturb you as you go out, but could you explain to me what a Moreno is?

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15 Aug 2016 19:32:51
Anybody know where Macca is or is he doing his Indiana Jones thing looking for the fountain of youth, been ages since his last post.

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15 Aug 2016 19:57:43
One would imagine that the abuse he got for his last post means he's not willing to help us again.


15 Aug 2016 20:51:15
His post about Pogda made me a few quid.

Thanks Macca.


15 Aug 2016 18:51:20
HI eds. One I've always been unsure of and hoping you may be able to shed some light.

Why are some transfer announced with an undisclosed fee? Is there any particular reason for this?

Sorry if not the right page to post to.

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{Ed002's Note - Firstly, no fees are "undisclosed" as they have to be informed to the authorities. They might say to the press that they are "undisclosed" and that is sumply because they do not wish to be questioned over it.}

16 Aug 2016 17:57:46
Thanks for the reply Eds.


15 Aug 2016 17:00:36
Eds, do you think Bolassie's move to Everton will tee up Benteke to Palace?

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{Ed002's Note - No But it might prompt an offer from Moussa Sissoko.}

15 Aug 2016 17:38:26
Roger, Thanks ed.


15 Aug 2016 16:56:58
Hi ed002

I can't see that this has been asked. I've been reading what you have explained with the Sakho situation. If he were to leave would we need to replace him or just stick with what we have?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot simply continue adding players - they need to move some on. Klopp apparently said there would be four first team centrebacks so unless he was lying then that will be it.}

15 Aug 2016 19:04:36
Did he say how left backs we'd have! Lol. Just got to think he has something up his sleeve (apart from his arm) after letting flano and smith go?


15 Aug 2016 19:23:39
Fair enough mate. 4 is enough plus cover from Lucas of needed or even Wisdom.


15 Aug 2016 21:43:15
I think I'd rather Lucas than Wisdom.


16 Aug 2016 00:41:59
I suspect Klopp is happy to play Lucas there but personally I'd keep Sakho (unless the funds are required for a new LB of course! )


15 Aug 2016 16:58:13
Have we made an offer for Gary Medel?

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15 Aug 2016 16:36:55
Klavan might be Sami Hyypia 2.0.

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15 Aug 2016 19:53:12
Surely that counts as blasphemy?! 😁.


15 Aug 2016 20:21:36
Not surprised that the club will listen to offers for sakho. He is fourth choice and you need a max of four CB without Europe . Joe Gomez may very well be the fourth

I like sakho and his Liverpool country comments but truth is he not as good as the other cbs in the squad.


15 Aug 2016 23:29:02
PakRed,

We haven't seen Matip play competitively yet for us, Klavan we have seen once, and Gomez we have not seen play CB. Yet all 3 of those are above Sakho?!?! Really?!?! Look I agree he is hardly a cultured footballing centre half, but I don't think we have seen anything like enough to say that Matip, Klavan and Gomez are better. Dare I even remind you that Lovren wouldn't have been in ahead of Ilori or Wisdom in many red fans eyes 12 months ago.

If Klopp wants shot then so be it, but you can't tell me he has gone from being a starter pre-ban to now being 5th choice CB on form/ ability.


15 Aug 2016 23:53:03
Spot on, Kidfan. Sahko may have burnt his bridges with Klopp but that has nothing to do with his ability on the pitch as we all know he has loads of it. It's his off field issues that may have gotten to a head hence, Klopp may want rid. I like Klavan personally and I don't need to see him play twenty times to know if he's good. I knew from the Barcelona game that he will be a great addition and yesterday's game proves it. As for Matip, we shall see.


15 Aug 2016 14:48:15
Just read this on a thread after catching up on some of our loanee's and how they've been doing and thought i'd share it, it gave me a chuckle.

Nathan Wright • 40 minutes ago
A good friend of mine from University is a Huddersfield Town season ticket holder and goes to all the games. When I asked him how Danny Ward was doing he told me he's their best player with the ball at his feet and could get in to their midfield. They've started calling him 'Danuel Neuer' LoL

Just a mini update, as i had the time being off from work. Not a regular thing, but hope it's of interest to some of you.

Danny Ward on loan at Huddersfield managed to save a penalty against Newcastle but couldn't save the rebound but Huddersfield managed to earn a 2-1 win against Rafa's Newcastle.

Also a big well done to Jack Dunn who scored another and now has got four goals so far this season with Morecambe, after his hero hat trick the other day.

Ryan Kent who was able to create a goal giving a squared pass just outside the edge of the box after he created some space with a jinky run for Barnsley.

Ryan Fulton had an easy day in he sticks for Chesterfield against Lloyd Jones' loanee club Swindown Town, although Jones wasn't fit to travel after hobbling off against QPR in Swindon Town's cup exit on Tuesday.

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16 Aug 2016 05:04:59
Thanks Ollie! Keep them coming.


15 Aug 2016 13:25:04
How did Klavan play yesterday? I have him in my fantasy football team.

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15 Aug 2016 13:29:17
played very well.


15 Aug 2016 13:45:57
The guy was the best CB on the pitch and had a solid debut in a tough environment. Didn`t seem top break a sweat and I don`t think I even saw him commit a foul. Brilliant player.


15 Aug 2016 14:06:01
He was yellow carded for a foul.
Looked really good and strong to me, shame about the man to the left of him though letting him down.


15 Aug 2016 14:10:59
Could turn out to be the buy of the summer, aside from Mane and Karius. Played with calm, poise, simplicity and never seemed to rush anything. Always knew what to do with the ball. Now I understand why Sakho has suddenly become so dispensable (despite his disciplinary problems) .


15 Aug 2016 14:34:12
So that would make him the 3rd Best Buy of the season ra1969😂😂😂😂.


15 Aug 2016 14:52:49
Thanks for the correction, Whentheredsgomarchingin.


15 Aug 2016 15:28:21
I was laughed at when I suggest that he could end up being very good and in are first 11 just saying.


15 Aug 2016 15:50:22
Wouldn't have him in your fantaasy football team, he was defending well but didn't stand out as a target at set plays.


15 Aug 2016 15:57:50
Fair play to the man he had a excellent game.


15 Aug 2016 16:24:34
Bigsqueeze - too early to say he is THE best buy of the season. It's only the first game of the season, for God's sake. Wanted to stay away from MOTD fever. :p.


15 Aug 2016 16:19:45
Only problem for me is that he's just turned 30 so not a long term solution. Looked like a good short term measure yesterday though so fair play to him!


15 Aug 2016 17:31:36
Thanks guys, I'll keep him in the team then!


15 Aug 2016 18:23:36
Hi Adam,

He looked pretty dependable. However, I would suggest it's not wise to have any Liverpool defensive players in your team if your points come from clean sheets.


16 Aug 2016 01:55:50
He conceded 3 goals and got a booking i think. He will have a negative score in fantasy league this week I would guess.


15 Aug 2016 13:15:34
Rip Atkinson terrible news ynwa.

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15 Aug 2016 15:58:55
Very sad great player on his day.


15 Aug 2016 13:14:20
Hello all. First time post here. Though I've been reading a long time. Cheers to everyone for the contributions I've enjoyed reading.

Just a few thoughts.

First. Mignolet had a pretty good game yesterday. Perhaps some LFC fans should give credit when it's due, So many are quick to criticise and slow to praise! This is the theme I generally want to chat about here.

Mignolet and Moreno are OUR players for the foreseeable future. First choice or not, they have a role to play this season.

Lets hope they hit some form and improve as players. Klopp hasn't given up on them and neither should we.

They've had a rough time getting a lot criticism, which is bound to affect their confidence and let doubt creep into their decision-making. It doesn't help the team or the players to abuse them though.

Both Migs and Moreno give 100% effort, and by all accounts they are good professionals. They are still young and have the potential to be better players.

For example, I have faith that Klopp will be emphasising that Moreno stays on his feet more often. It is his major weakness. He did so noticeably after half time. He uncharacteristically held back on lunging in on a number of occasions. Klopp must have had words, and I hope the penny finally dropped.

(and yes, I know he is weak positionally too - but that can be improved also - There are positives. He is actually a good player on the ball, even his biggest critic would admit he is quite comfortable receiving and passing the ball, and maintaining possession. He is fit, fast and has a good engine)

I'm not saying here that slating some players is not understandable, but it's the ones who stroll around the pitch with no fight, commitment or care for the team that bother me. The Balotelli's of this world.

Migs and Moreno are trying to fight for the team - and their place in it - they're not sitting about smoking fags, picking up the cash and talking about winning the Ballon d'Or whilst they've been 'phoning it in' for years. There is a difference.

And I believe that Klopp has the sense to know the difference too. Hence his different treatment of Migs and Moreno.

Lets get supporting these lads! It can only be a positive. If they don't improve much, they will no doubt eventually leave. At least they gave it their all, but we should support those who are trying their best. At least then we can say that we encouraged them - and it didn't work out. Or be pleasantly surprised when they improve.

Whatever happened to "you'll never walk alone"? 

Lets show a bit of class. Lots of potential and lots of room to improve. It's going to be an interesting season!

YNWA, my fellow Reds. :)

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15 Aug 2016 13:37:06
I posted here previously that Morenho isn't so bad. I said even if we signed a new lb, he would still get some game time.
After the Barcalona match, I even posted to ask how many goals did we concede from the left (sarcastically) .
But after watching yesterdays game, I have to admit, I was wrong!
He needs to move on completely.
Just after giving away the penalty, his positioning was aweful! Now some may say it wasn't entirely his fault, because someone else lost the ball. And that he was already on his way forward. But, was there a need for him to be in attack? We were still in our half, there were a lot of Arsenal's players in our half. We had the ball in midfield, and were looking to attack, but we did have other options. Morenho did not have to be our way forwardm.


15 Aug 2016 13:44:58
Whilst I agree to most of the OP 100% effort is the least we should expect.


15 Aug 2016 13:52:43
it was all his fault regardless of someone else losing the ball or not. The guy is hopeless. he just wonders forward as soon as we win the ball back regardless of what part of the pitch we win it. on the goal, we won the ball on the edge of the box after the penalty and already Moreno is on his bike headlessly motoring forward whereas the ball is on the other side of the pitch instead of keeping his position in line with the other defenders. Lallana gets tackled, loses the ball, Iwobi sees the space vacated by Moreno and just feeds Walcott who is all alone, with Moreno stupidly scampering back until he scores. Dion`t even get me started on the penalty. I don`t know how this guy made t as a professional because he has NO footballing brain at all. The guy is just awful to the point of utter fascination.


15 Aug 2016 14:13:17
Hey Sebrubass. Quick question, are you mental?

Moreno seems to be getting worse by the game. We'd be better playing with no-one at LB. He doesn't contribute anything defensively and eternally seems to be one mistimed tackle away from a red card!

How bad must he be that he is behind a right footed CM in the pecking order for LB.

Migs did well. He wasn't accountable for any of the goals IMO.


15 Aug 2016 14:14:14
OP if the penny didn't drop a while ago that is already a problem. i could understand what you wrote if this was a once off or a once in a blue moon error he made, but its the one thing he is consistent with. Diving in legs flailing without any timing what so ever, if giving 100% is all it was then good for him, but you have to think while using that 100% or its pointless when it costs us points, luckily it didn't this time. don't get me wrong i would love it if he turned it around and suddenly became a complete LB using his noggin rather than just his athleticism, and ill be rooting that he does, but unfortunately i doubt it.


15 Aug 2016 14:17:39
Hi Andy,

Cheers for the post. I hear you, and I know he's very poor atm. He has had me as bewildered as anyone through his performances for a long time now. But I just don't see the benefit of throttling him relentlessly as some do.

He made an awful error for the penalty. Awful. Diving in for no reason when the ball was there to be won cleanly. He was caught out when Lallana lost possession too. But in his defence, anticipating Lallana losing the ball in that situation was a tall order. Credit to Walcott for the finish too. He is blindsighted whilst ball-watching too often also - for sure, and was so again against Arsenal.

But by the hyperbole said/ written about his performance, you'd swear his career was over. He had a particularly bad game. He had some bad games last year too. Sure.

But he can improve, and he will play this season. So I do reckon some amongst us should support him better.

Despite my sharing your misgivings about his performances and his weaknesses, I just don't see any benefit to the relentless savaging he gets online/ on social media. It can only hurt the confidence of the players.

As long as he - or any player at LFC - keeps trying to improve, and gives 100% - I reckon we should support them. We can constructively criticise players, and we can voice our view that we should sell them - But once the season starts and they're part of our team. We should support them and look for their improvement - not seek to jump on the 'destroy them' bandwagon the next time they make a mistake.

Some of the stuff written about Migs and Moreno can be pretty out of order. And just plainly counter-productive. That's just the way I see it!

Maybe people should tweet him with some advice to stay on his feet more, commend him on his efforts and tell him to keep working hard! Rather than telling him to get lost, and not in polite terms!

Cheers for the reply. All the best.


15 Aug 2016 14:57:40
While Moreno is a liability, as long as the manager keeps putting him out there, i'm supporting him and hoping he manages to turn his game around for the sake of the club.

As much as i know it's a lost cause. His positioning game is off whack, he doesn't have the mentality a defender needs it seems and that his basics of defending just aren't there which is worrying, we simply don't have anyone else to do a job for us, although i'd be so tempted to put Can at right back and Clyne at left back and see how that goes, if Moreno keeps up with his erratic tackles, positioning and clearances.

I've not been reading too many people moaning and slating Nacho Monreal's performance yesterday though. I thought he got ruined by Clyne and Mane.


15 Aug 2016 15:01:29
That is where you are wrong, Sebrubass. We can see that Origi, Firmino, Can, Hendo and several others are trying to improve based on their improved performance and their effort. if you are trying to tell us that you see that in Moreno then you are really taking us for a ride because that is simply not true. Moreno has been like this since he arrived here in 2014 and is getting worse by the game. There is no improvement to his game and the fact that we are still trying to get a LB in should tell you that Klopp wants rid. Stop defending the indefensible as it is becoming quite boring. The guy is hopeless, end of.


15 Aug 2016 16:01:07
Mingolet and Moreno are awful. There is no point in pretending otherwise, it's not a confidence issue or a matter of 'support'. They are just awful with unforgiveable error after unforgiveable error. Any attempt to deny it or point to their 'committment' or 'effort' is as ridiculous as suggesting that I should be the starting goalkeeper because I'd give it my all.

They are out there because we lack options, pure and simple. In Moreno's case I somewhat get it (although I would be playing Flanagan there) - we haven't been able to secure another option. In Mingolet's case I consider it a supreme tactical and management error; this season should be seeing Ward deputizing for Karius, not Ward being Huddersfield's star player but a country mile whilst our keeper concedes on the near post and is unable to kick a ball in a straight line.


15 Aug 2016 19:25:11
Wow there's no getting off the we hate Moreno bandwagon, some fans are even having a go at the OP just because he said support a player who plays for Liverpool lol.


15 Aug 2016 19:39:26
Welsh, Supporting a player is a two way street. Many wanted to support Benteke when he first arrived yet many stopped because he just isn`t interested in improving and his attitude stinks. I will never support such a player. In contrast, Origi is getting all the support because he is showing his willingness to dig deep, work hard and improve, all of which he has done and the rewards are there to prove it. Moreno has no intention nor the attitude needed to improve and I frankly, think he`s not interested in getting better hence, he continues to get worse by the game. If you wanna keep supporting a player who doesn`t seem to care how much his errors hurt us as a club then have at it. Don`t expected the rest of us to follow such a deluded way of thinking.


15 Aug 2016 20:56:20
Not going to really comment on Moreno, but i think in all fairness Migsy should get credit. He might have been able to get the deflection but then its a deflection so difficult, Literally nothing he could do for the 3rd goal. I remember before Carzola took it i thought he will drift it into this area here as it looks like pool are a man our of position and they did and it was a free header. Walcott took his chance well. But he looked a bit more confident punching and coming for the ball plus he saved the pen and we got the 3 points so i thought credit to migs he had a decent game.


15 Aug 2016 22:34:18
Your right, we should give Moreno a break, but the under 23s are looking for a left back?


15 Aug 2016 12:13:29
Morning all, sadly I missed the match (stupid wife making lunch plans) but I'm delighted with the result. A few 'bigger picture' musings.

1. 4-3-3 with Hendo deep - 4-3-3 is now officially in Klopp's locker and that makes Wiji's purchase make more sense. The biggest surprise was that Can was on the bench, whether that's a fitness thing or Klopp is looking to Hendo for the deeper role we shall see.

2. Goals at both ends - It's only one game but it does fit the stereotype I've been anticipating for the season. We're going to score a boat-load of goals but we're going to concede a lot as well, whatever else happens I guarantee it's not going to be a boring season.

3. Speaking of goals - All four goals yesterday were class, a great free kick, two brilliant team goals and a stunning solo effort from Mane. Teams are going to be scared of us and if they start changing their game to try and contain us it's a great sign that Klopp's moved us up a level.

4. Moreno - I know he's not good enough, I desperately want someone else in and his tackle for the penalty was comically bad but I do not blame him for Walcott's goal. The criticism is that Moreno needs to learn when to bomb forward and when to stay back. I believe that Moreno did exactly as he should have done in this specific situation. Arsenal had committed numbers forward, the ball had broken to Lallana in midfield and a break was on. Moreno reacted immediately to support the break which is part of his job. The problem was that Lallana immediately lost possession and the very advantage Liverpool were looking to exploit (Arsenal being committed forward) bit us in the ar*e. This was an example of the trade off in Klopp's system, if he wants an attacking left back then the left back will be caught out of position. A different player may well manage this better than Moreno does but do not expect the problem to disappear with Moreno off the pitch.

5. Strikers - The 4-3-3 does mean we have to drop a forward. With Studge injured and Origi not fully fit it makes sense that Firmino led the line but it will be interesting to see what happens when either is ready. If we play 4-3-3 with Origi or Studge will Firmino drop to the bench? I prefer to drop a midfielder and play Firmino as a second striker but I look forward to seeing how Klopp manages it.

6. Opening day win - Regardless of how we played an opening day win, especially away to Arsenal, is brilliant news. Momentum and morale is so important and if we find ourselves near the top of the league after 5 games or so I reckon we'll stay there. The really important thing is that we now follow this up with a good display at Burnley.

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15 Aug 2016 12:47:25
The Moreno situation, for me -
- when the team plays poorly, it's often Moreno's flank that gets targeted and he gets exposed. But it's a team thing, not down to one man solely. We saw yesterday how a higher more intense press and performance helps the fullbacks ;

- when Coutinho plays LHS, he offers less cover back for Moreno generally;

- we all know that Moreno likes to bomb forward, so does Clyne. The deeper midfield has to be mobile enough to effectively cover this. Not Can and / or Lucas, they're just not quick enough. Add in less mobile central defenders (that Liverpool stopped buying in about 1975 - have we got something against central defenders that can run or what lately? ) and the results are apparent;

- I am hoping that Wijnaldum added, say Matip in CD, and Grujic that that mobility and dynamism will help Moreno no end. His pace is a fantastic asset that no modern fullback can do without. But he needs the right people around him.


15 Aug 2016 12:47:26
Disagree about moreno, his main function is to defend, we have a number of atackers on the field. He should wait until we have good possession before bombing on. He got away with the wreckless brain fart tackle and should have learned his lesson. Yet he still lunged in on another arsenal player in the box despite already giving away a penalty and only just got away with that one too.

Im afraid this man is trying to play himself out of the club.


15 Aug 2016 12:51:53
I think Sturridge could start agaist teams who try to park the bus . Firminho away in the big games and Origi inpact sub.


15 Aug 2016 13:24:53
Tell your wife to do one mate. seriously what's that all about?!


15 Aug 2016 13:27:41
Great summary Muscat

1) I think Can was just because not fully fit and looked a bit off the pace via Mainz, I think he'll be back in place of Llalana and Hendo pushed forward a bit (or we may play a 4-2-3-1 at home)

2) I agree we're inherently more risky and so will concede more but I still think Klopp will expect better with Can back and hopefully Milner at LB

3) agree 100%, each goal on its own was outstanding, 4 was a feast!

4) I disagree here, he needs to time his run only once he knows the danger of us losing possession again immediately has been minimised, we were still being pressed when he broke forward aggressively. If Llalana had received the ball with acres of space around him and head up looking for a pass then that's a different matter

5) I reckon there's a decent chance we see 4-2-3-1 at home and a striker on the pitch instead of Wijnaldum (Firmino at no.10). I personally would play Origi against "park the bus" teams for his ability to provide a physical presence in the box and to bring others like Mane or Firmino into scoring opportunities. good feet in tight spaces for a big lad

6) agree 1000% - good time to be a red!


15 Aug 2016 13:32:11
JB, you may wish that Moreno hung back and focused on defending but Klopp clearly instructs him to get forward and support attacks (if that wasn't true Klopp would have lost patience with him long before this summer) . Moreno brings pace and natural width to the left flank in a way that none of our attackers do hence Klopp utilises him that way. I'm not trying to argue that Moreno's attacking contribution makes up for his deficiencies in defense (they clearly don't) just that the blame isn't completely on Moreno's shoulders for being caught up the pitch so often.


15 Aug 2016 13:34:44
Moreno was at least partially at fault for the first goal yesterday, and was lucky to get away with the penalty. However Lallana was partially to blame for 2 goals, and so was Clyne. Ox's goal came as a result of a weak challenge from both Clyne and Lallana. Chambers goal came from a free kick Clyne needlessly conceded.

So Clyne and Lallana are probably chuffed to bits that Moreno is taking all the flack online!

Lallana did score though, and Clyne created one so at least they contributed. Moreno was fortunate not to be punished on a few other occasions as well.

As the OP says though, as a unit we need to cover for mistakes more effectively. The players are human.


15 Aug 2016 13:36:44
Abo, I messed up there, I thought we'd be done before 4 but it was a 'late lunch' and we didn't eat till three, by the time we'd finished we were deep into the second half : (


15 Aug 2016 14:02:40
We didn`t manage the game well after scoring the 4th and that is where Klopp must do better and players need to be held accountable although I will say that after they scored the third, we shot them down completely by making them concede fouls and corners which eased the preassure so credit to them at least for that. Even Klopp apologized for the over-celebration of the 4th goal as that did not help the team at all. Now regarding Moreno, Gary Neville said that "You might as well start with a goal down with Moreno on the pitch". He`s not a genius but every man and his dog knows that such a statement is factually correct. You can cut it however way you want, the fact remains that he has always been a poor excuse for a defender regardless of what system you play to protect him. Klopp may tell him to get forward but is it not the player`s responsibility to know when and when not to get forward or does the coach have to hold his hand the whole game? He is simply the worst LB I`ve ever seen in my 30 plus years of watching and playing the game, period. Listing the things he lacks is pointless because that will fill a whole post on its own. We will definitely not get top 4 with such a player who will guarantee a goal to the opposition potentially in every game and we will definitely not survive this season with him in the team. That is a fact.


15 Aug 2016 14:24:29
Muscat, i think you have to place a decent portion of the blame on him, you do see Clyne get caught out of position once or twice, but never to the extent of Moreno. If it was because of Klopp' instructions both flanks would be just as bad and clearly they are not, as clyne has more to his decision making and when to out right bomb. I think Klopp wouldn't just say "guys just get forward don't worry about the shape" i think its more when the time is right and we have solid possession in their half go for the overlap, exept Moreno isn't good at identifying when the right time is.


15 Aug 2016 14:59:50
Muscatred I was in work myself so have only seen the goals on my mobile but for me there were three components at fault in that goal but Moreno was the player who has to shoulder the blame for it.

1. Lallana weakly losing the ball again, but he's facing our goal and needs a shout from his teammates "man on", so is absolved from some of the blame but he should have been stronger.

2. Moreno ( who is facing arsenal's half so can see the arsenal lad closing down on lallana) cluelessley bombing on whithout waiting to see if the move developed, be on the front foot anticipating the breakaway yes but don't just do a forest gump and leg it forward.

3. One of your deep playing midfielders I. e henderson or wijnaldum should be dropping into the yawning chasm of space left by morenos total lack of football intelligence.

But ultimately it's Moreno who's at fault here because any player with half a brain who could see everything infront of him should have checked his run fractionally to see how the move played out. He's not a defender it's as simple as that and if he continues to get his game then we are in danger of totally ruining what could be an excellent opportunity this season.

P. S. Muscatred red, you need to sort your missus situation out asap before she removes your last remaining testicle to have matching earrings, come on fella strap on a pair and sort her out 😉.


15 Aug 2016 16:03:52
Klopp would have lost patience with Moreno? Have you not seen him on the sidelines screaming at Moreno to get back into position.


15 Aug 2016 16:31:43
Those saying that Moreno's main job is to defend are quite wrong. I actually think Klopp is telling them to bomb forward at every opportunity. If that's the case then posing an attacking threat is no.1 priority. The fact that we don't have any midfielders that cover their runs means the fullbacks are constantly caught out. Both sides of the argument are only conjecture as we don't really know what Klopp wants. I'm just basing my aassessment on what I see during play.


15 Aug 2016 16:37:21
Jonesy, the team isn't mirrored, Clyne has much less of an attacking responsibility because we have other right footed attackers on his flank, Moreno has Coutinho in front of him who mainly wants to cut inside so Moreno provides the overlap. It's also not a case of not worrying about shape it's about exploiting transitions in play, in this case we'd nicked the ball and had a potential break on. In this scenario Moreno's role changed from defender (he was the one who won possession back) to winger. Sadly for us Lallana lost the ball and Arsenal were able to exploit the situation better than we were.


15 Aug 2016 16:38:03
Ha ha ha muscatred just don't book meals when the boys are playing. no more issues.


15 Aug 2016 18:08:39
Pretty sure klopp doesn't tell moreno to forget his defensive duties and attack regardless. Even if he is told to assist in attack he is employed by the club as a defender. Please note the operatve word, hence his main duty or focus is to defend and assist in attack when possible to do so not at any cost.

I am not defending llalana either as he takes a portion of the blame, but if a midfielder loses the ball in midfield you would expect a minimum of at least 5 players to be available to defend while the team recovers unless we are already in attack which we were not, we were in a defensive phase and playing the ball out. Moreno should have held his run until the danger was clear.

Anyway we can pick at this for weeks, the fact is he is a liability and will continue to be so until he forces his way out the club with his inept displays.

Btw klopp had no choice but to play him as other options were either injured or have been shown the door by klopp.


15 Aug 2016 09:39:25
Express reports Liverpool in for Medel

Putting it out there to be shot at but makes sense if Lucas goes plus I really like this guy

Few bits about Sakho on his way also.

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15 Aug 2016 12:32:24
Ed01 is this on the cards or just recycled rumours.


{Ed001's Note - I don't understand why this has ever come up, sadly, much as I have said for years we should have signed him, the club has shown little interest in him. So not sure about it being recycled as such. There has been some recent discussions with his agent over a South American player, I am told. Unfortunately his agent has basically just a whole raft of Chile players on his books, so it could be one of many. It might even be him approaching us about someone completely different that he is representing, but Medel does seem the obvious one. The question is how much of the interest is from us signing rather than them moving to us, as it might be just an agent touting someone, as they do all the time, in which case it doesn't matter who.}

15 Aug 2016 15:19:18
I've seen a fair bit of this online today, I hope it's true especially if we are to lose Lucas at some point. Medel is excellent at what he does.


15 Aug 2016 18:15:14
He would be a major part to the jigsaw of a title winning team for is. Sadly just don't believe it, we never buy the players we really need.


15 Aug 2016 21:13:15
Medel and Hector, paid for by departing Benteke and Balotelli (and, sadly, Lucas too : () and I would be extremely happy!


15 Aug 2016 08:35:38
Eds; in the press over the Summer it's been reported that clubs have agreed personal terms with players prior to agreeing them with their clubs (eg Pogba and now reportedly Bravo etc) how is this not deemed as tapping up? Clubs can contact the agent and not the player directly is it? Tks for a great site.

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{Ed002's Note - Clubs can contact the agent and agree terms with them but cannot have contact with a player without the permission of his club.}

15 Aug 2016 15:22:44
Ok. Thank you. Obviously the agent talks with the player so in essence LFC made a joke of themselves by contacting players directly instead of the players agents.


15 Aug 2016 02:56:51
Question for Ed002

If a club cannot be found to take on Ballotelli before the window closes, can the powers that be at Anfield (FSG) severe their contract with him. I. E to put it bluntly . sack him?

Or am I thinking way outside the box?

I understand the huge financial loss the club are already in nevermind furthermore if it was even possible, but would it be a viable option?

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - The club cannot sack him. The club can mutually agree to terminate his contract but they cannot do that after the transfer window closes. They could release him from his contract before the window closes by paying off what remains.}

15 Aug 2016 14:04:01
I`d say cut your losses and terminate his contract.


{Ed002's Note - And how would that be cutting losses?}

15 Aug 2016 16:15:10
Hopefully he'd agree a partial payment as part of said termination. 75% of wages, maybe? Not sure he'd be willing though, as with most things Balotelli doesn't seem overly bothered.


{Ed002's Note - That is not going to happen.}

15 Aug 2016 19:31:44
Thanks Ed002

That answers that for me, never going to happen unless we had a limitless amount of cash to throw away and splurge pn anything the fans see fit. Totally understandable but I thought it was somewhat of an interesting question to ask as I can't really see from my end anyone willing to take him on and it is terrible to see a player carry on like he does and still get payed a horrendous amount of cash for sitting on a boat smoking whatever he was. Really gets to me to see that carry on when there's players out there who would sell their mummies to get the oppoutunies that that guy has got over the years and have little or no respect for himself or the clubs he represents.

Thanks again Ed002

Informative as ever.


15 Aug 2016 08:01:31
Well in Wayde Van Niekerk - a passionate Reds fan who prepared for the 400m final in Rio by watching the Arsenal match and then went out and broke Michael Johnson's 17yr old world record!

YNWA Wayde 😎.

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15 Aug 2016 08:45:21
Proud to be a South african and Reds supporter after both of those wins!


15 Aug 2016 12:32:49
All Liverpool related interest aside that really was an unbelievable performance. He left two world class athletes for absolute dead.


15 Aug 2016 14:18:47
I think we'll chalk that one up to Klopp too then! I probably would have broken some form of record if I'd run a race after the final whistle!


15 Aug 2016 14:47:42
Great performance!


15 Aug 2016 17:16:43
From Lane 8 for that matter! Never seen that before in my life!


15 Aug 2016 07:49:22
A few thoughts from the game

1) the CB partnership looked solid, Klavan in particular seems a calming influence and paired well with Lovren
2) I won't comment on Moreno, enough said on this site already
3) we lost control of midfield in the first half and I wasn't impressed with our touch and control under pressure, but we pulled up our socks second half and Hendo in particular really stood out in helping control the tempo of the game
4) having said that, I think we still looked better with Can next to Hendo and I wasn't convinced be Hendo/ Wijnaldum/ Llalana compared to Can/ Hendo and allowing the more attacking midfielders to push further forward
5) I was pleased with how we dealt with the immense pressure after conceding and letting them back into the game at 4-3, a year ago we might have folded but Can/ Hendo/ Stewart on shored up midfield nicely and Origi helped provide a physical outlet to hold up the ball well
7) going forward, I thought Coutinho went missing first 30mins then showed why we need him. Completely turned things with a stroke of genius and a sucker punch for Arsenal that set up the second half. hopefully we see a lot more of him producing the goods more consistently, he's earning his O Magico nickname early this season.
6) Thought Mane was outstanding, and a constant threat all game unlike some others, even ignoring the spectacular goal. Firmino was instrumental in linking play for those around him, but having Mane to offer goals and pace out wide makes Firmino a far more dangerous prospect at no.9 as Mane can make runs like a CF too

A bit more game time to help sharpen up the midfield from the first whistle, and a new LB (or Milner returning) and we'll be even better next time.

Up the Reds!

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15 Aug 2016 09:05:47
Zimbo I agree with the whole assessment apart from the fact that Can made no difference to our midfield whatsoever apart from we looked less likely to score.


15 Aug 2016 11:10:54
What a wonderful game yesterday, i shouted myself hoarse while watching it.
I see Klopp's preference for Firmino instead of a dedicated 9. And from his transfers so far, i still insist he prefers midfielders to a top 9. Not that i am complaining, just something i noticed. Besides it made for wonderful entertainment (compare this to the M. U. game and you will understand what i mean)


15 Aug 2016 11:33:24
Moreno played well second half and kept Walcott quiet.
The whole team were lacking first 45, so why pick on one player?
Pointless and lazy criticism.


15 Aug 2016 10:14:41
Guys - let me make a point about Wijnaldum and the difference he will make and already made yesterday (for the goals)

Let me talk specifically about the 3rd goal. The difference he brings is this:

1. His ability to find space between the lines.

2. His body positioning when receiving the ball in that position.

Did you notice how he was already half-turned when he received the ball? Our other centre mid's tend to play the way there's facing and slow the game down a little more, but those extra few seconds make a difference.

When games open up, Wijnaldum is a very good asset to have. He will cause a lot of trouble in open and expansive games.


15 Aug 2016 12:47:36
Whatever you have had Juicer I would love some.

As a team that first half was pretty poor but Moreno was embarrassingly bad.

In the second half Arsenal just didn't expose him enough. The majority of their attacks came down their left hand side with Chamberlain and Monreal.

I don't see how it is either pointless or lazy criticism to state the obvious. The lad simply can't defend. I really want him to do well but he lacks the mentality to make it as a full back.

If anything the continuing criticism is just further evidence of our recruitment failures. We needed a left back more than any other position (even goalkeeper - in my opinion) and we have failed to do so. The fact that it is likely Milner will be our first choice is a damming indictment of our recruitment policy.

I don't blame Moreno for being there (he doesn't pick himself) and I will support the lad when he does. I do blame him though for his often idiotic decision making. Professional footballers should not keep making the same mistakes over and over again. I also blame the club for not addressing a glaring deficiency in the squad.


15 Aug 2016 14:14:06
Have to agree with J H post above, Wijnaldum can look a little lost when we don't have possession, and would only work in our team if we're playing 3 CMs, but I was very impressed with how his first touch always left him facing the Arsenal goal, very quick to turn and get on the attack, which is needed when we have such pace and movement up front. I don't think he'll play every game, but I think he'll be an asset throughout the season, especially with more defensively-minded opposition.


15 Aug 2016 14:30:43
Juicer, i feel for the lad and he gets way too much abuse however
1) he headed the ball straight to their attacker and was lucky he miscontrolled it so he could recover
2) he gave a silly penalty away for yet another rash tackle - becoming a massive trade mark of his to go flying in and it's going to end in tears at some point
3) it's debatable but IMO he should not have been breaking forward so quickly to leave Walcott completely free if we lost possession (and we were being actively pressed at the time) - having an attacking fullback is fine but you need to be able to judge when to go and when the risks are too high

Having said that, credit where it's due and his second half was good, but no one else made 3 such blatant errors in the first half that lead directly to 3 brilliant opportunities and 1 goal.


15 Aug 2016 21:02:05
Its hard to really comment this early on, on who would make a good mf group of 3, we seemed overun first half. I really like Can and i think Stewart offers a lot to. But second half the boys did the job.


15 Aug 2016 07:42:30
Question for eds. do you think that this (when fit) use of Milner at left back is borne out of a contractual arrangement, whereby he plays league matches when available, and this is the only place JK Can shoehorn him in to his new world order?

He played 28 and no subs in the league last year.

In a more general term, Can / do such arrangements exist elsewhere and enforced?

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{Ed001's Note - they can and do exist but it is nothing to do with that in this case.}

15 Aug 2016 12:27:53
Cheers Ed 001.thought I'd found a perverse logic to the reason, but now I'm just completely bewildered!

Do you think he genuinely doesn't see an alternative out there, or has be plans for a player at the club to step in? we can't have Moreno as either first or second choice to my mind, because my ticker won't take a full season of him.


15 Aug 2016 12:27:53
Cheers Ed 001.thought I'd found a perverse logic to the reason, but now I'm just completely bewildered!

Do you think he genuinely doesn't see an alternative out there, or has be plans for a player at the club to step in? we can't have Moreno as either first or second choice to my mind, because my ticker won't take a full season of him.


{Ed001's Note - he is the best option available for now, thanks to the club messing up the deal for the chosen replacement.}

15 Aug 2016 07:05:12
Calls for a defensive midfielder are getting tiring. If we get a DM to play every game, it disrupts what Klopp is trying to do with the squad. He would rather play with two centre mids sharing a defensive and attacking workload, rather than 3 mids - 2 CMs and 1 DM- which sacrifices a forward player up front. When did he ever play with a dedicated defensive midfielder at Dortmund? If he did, it wasn't that frequent.

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15 Aug 2016 07:23:28
I would think Stewart is the DM, when klopp sees a need for a more defensive minded midfielder.


15 Aug 2016 08:22:14
Actually he did often play with a dedicated defensive midfielder, ever heard of a chap called Sven Bender?


15 Aug 2016 08:40:08
I don't think Bender played the role of DM at Dortmund for Klopp.

He is a defensive minded player but that does not mean that he was given the specific tactical role of DM in that system.


15 Aug 2016 09:39:41
Meh, he didn't really play a typical DM role.


15 Aug 2016 10:01:27
Didn't he play that exact way yesterday /?

Hendo S the dm and lal and wij the two in front of him. Does anyone actually watch the games or just the transfer market and scores?


15 Aug 2016 12:14:06
3 ALL 👌.


15 Aug 2016 04:34:48
Hey ed001 post match podcast?

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{Ed001's Note - have to see when Benny has time, he was moving home, so not sure if he is all sorted now.}

15 Aug 2016 03:10:49
Great traveling support Sunday. Also great to see "96" on the back collar of the LFC black jersey.

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15 Aug 2016 01:53:15
Has Klopp signed Wijnaldum so that there is less pressure on Hendo to get forward?

I'm beginning to wonder if Klopp sees the future Hendo in a little deeper position. He did a very important job in the middle for us today; without directly being involved in any of the goals he had a good performance.

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15 Aug 2016 03:35:46
I think he signed Wijnaldum for a multitude of reasons. He is versatile, energetic, chips in with goals, etc. He was used vs Arsenal as the OP described but i doubt he was just bought to allow Hendo to sit deep. I can see Wijnaldum used in different areas depending on who we play and which other players get picked.


15 Aug 2016 03:39:50
It played out that way today as Wijnaldum created 2 of the goals today, had a good second half and his workrate was excellent also in the 2nd half, hendo was very composed for most of the game in my opinion, it would be intersting to see how Wijnaldum and stewart would work together for a full 90mins at some stage this season.


15 Aug 2016 03:52:36
Possibly, but mainly just to provide a goal outlet from midfield.

What happened in the first half vindicated what Klopp wanted to do. He wanted to leave Hendo in the holding role, and he wanted a midfield partner that would bomb forward with a goal threat, to take advantage of the weak Arsenal defence. He won't do that every game, in some other games he will start Can to shore up the midfield more. Hendo was defensively sound, but it was hard for him to cover everything with Wijnaldum partnering him.


15 Aug 2016 04:16:58
Honestly thought Henderson was much better when he moved a bit further forward and Can was playing the deeper of the two.


15 Aug 2016 04:26:11
i don't think you're going to see hendo play there for every game. stewart and can may play in there in future games depending on our opponent.


14 Aug 2016 23:54:55
Any news on Coutinhos injury? Look liked he locked he knee when chasing down that pass.

Is it confirmed that he wants to stay this season or is it probable he will move? Juve had past interest and now certainly have the cash.

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15 Aug 2016 00:15:29
Klopp said he's a, right.


15 Aug 2016 00:20:17
I think a large part of that cash went on higuain didn't it?


15 Aug 2016 00:37:37
Just cramp, according to Klopp.


 
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