Liverpool Banter Archive October 14 2015

14 oct 2015 19:41:47
as you've all probably seen joe is out for 6 months with ligament damage he's distraught.

14 oct 2015 19:51:22
poor bastard, genuinely gutted for the lad, hope he comes back stronger.

14 oct 2015 19:59:53
poor gomez.

14 oct 2015 20:23:15
eds, i know players get injured all the time, but it's seems that quite a number sustain an injury whilst on international duty! And particularly whilst training or similar etc is there a vast difference with the type and level of training within the international camp?

{Ed001's Note - yes, every team has a different method of training.}

14 oct 2015 20:28:42
tell him from us he will never walk alone and to spend this time improving his upper body strength. He will come back henno

14 oct 2015 20:34:30
tough luck joe. But he has already made an impact and we all hope he works on his fitness and is back a better players next season.

14 oct 2015 20:39:02
cheers st, i know he's your pal so wish him all the best from us and let him know we're rooting for him

14 oct 2015 21:29:20
wish him all the best hope he back asap

14 oct 2015 22:23:23
absolutely gutted for him. I really hope he makes a speedy recovery, feel so sorry for both our promising young defenders in flanno and joe, would have been amazing for those 2 to be fit and ready with klopp arriving

14 oct 2015 22:54:40
oh noooooooooo!! Stay strong, kid and may the lord be with you.

15 oct 2015 00:13:06
why do all our young players get career threatening injuries at the most crucial stages of development?

15 oct 2015 04:53:57
absolutely woolback. That's a genuine concern. It would be massive task for the lad to come back from such a crucial injury. Lucas is one of the best example.

15 oct 2015 06:14:58
he is the future of lfc defence. All the best bud. Its not the end, work your ass off, get them legs super strong and you will better and stronger mentally. I've been there myself.

15 oct 2015 06:16:16
my thoughts are the same as woolback's - why is it that our young players always seem to suffer these serious injuries? Kelly, flannagan, gomez, teixeira, yesil - it seems endless. Feel very sorry for gomez - despite being 18 he'd already looked promising and done well, big setback for the lad - hopefully he can bounce back even stronger. Just curious but is england's training regime particularly damaging or badly managed? I only ask as we seem to always get players suffering injuries when on international duty with them.

15 oct 2015 06:45:53
gutted for him but he must stay positive. He's young, he'll heal quickly and bounce back stronger after this. He just needs to follow the professionals advice to the letter.

15 oct 2015 07:33:52
square tomato, so sorry to read the news about gomez. Please let him know that there is pioneering surgery available in australia, that is being demonstrated at lectures in the uk as i type. It reduces complete rehab from acl ruptures from 9 months to 6 weeks and also reinforces the ligament to avoid recurrence. The u. K. Medical system is not up to speed and i would hate to see another young prospects career blighted by injury.

15 oct 2015 07:35:33
hey square, truly gutted here. Tell him we will be waiting!

14 Oct 2015 16:17:19
So this proves jurgen is definitely the 'normal one' amazing video. just wait until about 1.18. Brilliant!

Jurgen Klopp Funny Moments - Best Celebrations and Other

14 Oct 2015 17:30:46
Also watch his reaction in the malaga interview to the goal bein offside. so funny!

14 Oct 2015 17:40:48
Win losw or draw it's going to be one hell od a ride under him

14 Oct 2015 18:03:11
Think that vid just proves he's bonkers. That's why i like him!

14 Oct 2015 18:51:43
Can you imagine what his reaction would have been to stevie scoring against Olympiacos, were going to have some great craic with this guy.

15 oct 2015 07:10:03
he's comes off as the crazy one from this video though

15 oct 2015 08:54:02
that's a showman.

14 Oct 2015 15:39:21
For a bit of fun.

If players were dog breeds.

Sturridge - Doberman, fast and dangerous
Benteke - Great Dane, can push people around
Ings - Border collie, useful, hard working and loyal
Llalana - Beagle, likeable and bright but needs a bit more bite
Coutinho - springer spaniel, smart, Creative and effective
Firmino - Pointer, fast and smart, fetches everything
Hendo - Alsatian, hard working and loyal with a bit of edge when required
Milner - Australian cattle dog, can run all day and often underrated
Lucas - Staffordshire terrier, loyal and a very good guard dog
Moreno - whippet, fast but you don't buy one for defence
Sakho - Boxer, likeable and big, but can be a bit clumsy sometimes
Skrtel - Rottweiler, big and dangerous but can do crazy stuff
Clyne - greyhound, fast but well balanced

Any others?

14 Oct 2015 16:01:16
Zimbo, What would Migs or Ibe be if he were a dog?

Enrique - Miniature Poodle, fluffy, likes to pose for pictures, but can't do much else.

14 Oct 2015 16:34:13
Skyrtl is more like pluto!

14 Oct 2015 16:40:13
Mignolet is tough one as most dogs are good at catching

14 Oct 2015 16:40:51
Benteke should be a Mastiff.

14 Oct 2015 17:06:32
And Kloppo would be an Irish Terrier!
Perfect, charming, stubborn, highly intelligent and completely crazy! A rare breed. Only if he's as good looking as they are. ? No idea :-)

14 Oct 2015 17:11:28
Mate, I have a beagle and they are far from "bright." Greedy, yes, mercenaries, yes, intelligent, not at all.
Personally think Rooney's more comparable.

{Ed002's Note - He says the same of you.}

14 Oct 2015 17:12:49
Just dogs or can we choose donkeys?

14 Oct 2015 18:29:28
I thoroughly enjoyed that. Cheers.

14 oct 2015 19:36:42
joe allen - the welsh corgi.

14 oct 2015 20:01:59
hmm i wonder what players need a one way ticket to the vets or need to be taken to a farm in the countryside far away?

14 oct 2015 20:27:19
migs - retriever collects the ball out of the net.

15 oct 2015 01:24:20
i'd put migs as a dachsund, good pedigree but not good legs. Allen would be a jack russell for me. A lively dog, but on the small side and it's bark is worse than its bite.

15 oct 2015 01:53:31
the 'welsh corgi' is a good one. Also didn't know that about beagles. Perhaps a bit harsh then on llalana! Any other ideas? Can't figure out ibe or can yet. Maybe ibe would be a dalmatian, looks good but lacks a bit of confidence. Can perhaps a rhodesian ridgeback, a beautiful dog but sometimes a bit big and clumsy. Wouldn't want to pick a fight with one though. Enrique would be a shih tzu. Everyone says it's a dog but it really isn't.

15 oct 2015 07:06:02
migs - shi-tzu

14 oct 2015 21:22:49
i've found the mignolet dog! Can't catch food
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dD9NgzLhbBM

15 Oct 2015 11:31:06
Migs would be a labrador because he does nothing.

14 Oct 2015 14:10:06
eds
Apologies if think this has been asked before, just catching up with all news LFC, what is the problem with doggy 'arrys ', constant whines about LFC?,
maybe because he is part of the Fergie squad and can maybe see us potentially rising as a credible force,
I used to like him apart from his dodgy stuff, even to the extent of wishing as LFC mgr but not now, sounds like a whiny old man with naff all to do.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea. Never had any time for the guy personally. He has always been a dodgy *censored* and I have no interest in what he rabbits on about in an attempt to self-publicise and get some attention. Nothing but a failed manager who has helped himself to other people's hard earned cash through backhanders. He should stick to opening fake bank accounts in pets' names and keep his whiny mouth shut.}

14 Oct 2015 14:38:14
Cant believe Jamie came from him, totally different, one is class one is a knob

14 Oct 2015 14:48:42
Harry is an A class Kn**Head. simple as that really. he has way too much time on his hands now he can't get a job and has ran out of lives on candy crush so he thinks he will just wind us up because we turned him away a few years back about the job.

14 Oct 2015 15:17:53
Fergie's squad?! Haha you guys really crack me up.

14 Oct 2015 16:03:52
Ahoy – all things Redknapp should be kept well away from Anfield.

Harry almost bankrupt Portsmouth, Spurs, & West Ham took a huge brown envelope of cash and put it in a bank account named after his dog !!!!

Jamie was a permanent fixture in our wilderness years, and needlessly ran to the nearest Centre half to collect the ball – bewildering

He took off his shirt and minced across the beach in a TV travel company advert and within 3 months Thomas Cook were almost bankrupt (something he inherited from his father)

He also had zero awareness on the pitch – he could have hoofed his free kick v Blackburn into the Anfield Road stands instead of the top corner to still give Man U a sniff of the title.

14 Oct 2015 16:37:58
Brilliant post eds. Couldn't agree more. He has become a bitter old man. perhaps he thought he had a shot at the job after brendan. I hate listening to him. BT sports is horrible to watch. Owen and Harry drive me crazy. The mute button is well used put it that way. On another note chaps, do you think we will beat spurs?

14 Oct 2015 17:15:13
Harry has a lot of time for our club. As a young lad, Jamie was taken in by a scouse family and grew with the club.

Why would he have a different attitude?

Maybe he's a realist with tons of experience, and not blinkered like the rest of us.

14 Oct 2015 17:25:20
Realist, have you heard the nonsense he was talking about the transfer committee and how it got rodgers the sack. No my friend he is clueless when it comes to lfc and proves it many times over with his inane soundbites.

Realist indeed, the thieving son of a.

14 Oct 2015 18:46:33
I personally rate him as a manager and in the past liked him. over the last few years since investigations etc my opinion of him changes a lot, and now yeah he is bugging me which back I would never have thought possible. He is clearly bitter

14 Oct 2015 19:05:02
I've no idea about the truth of Harry's alleged financial misdemeanours, but to be fair he managed Spurs to two 4th place finishes, which is more than his successors have managed (or we've managed, for that matter)- so surely he can't be a complete idiot?

I think his recent comments were not anti-LFC as such, but more about defending a fellow manager- which is something a lot of managers tend to do.

And I do wish our fans had a bit more class than to throw casual insults at ex players like Jamie. He was no superstar, but he always tried hard and he seems a decent lad- and he still has a soft spot for LFC, as you can tell from his punditry comments.

In fact, there was a TV series a few years ago about the ten best views in England (or something of the sort), and Jamie's choice was not his home town, or a natural landscape- he chose the skyline and the view of the Liverpool waterfront in the evening, as you approach across the river from Birkenhead on the ferry, as his best view in England- so he must have a soft spot for the city as well as for the club, and its a shame to see our fans slagging him off without a second thought.
And no, my real name is not Jamie Redknapp.

14 Oct 2015 13:56:39
Amazing how people are suddenly thinking benteke will be a flop, maybe because sturridge is back and ings is playing we
L, But he's been quality this season, and if he gets some time with sturridge fit he will still be a beast in my eyes.

14 Oct 2015 14:59:58
The only reason everyone is saying Big Ben will flop is because ed1 said it so the bandwagon brigade all then say it.

Klopp will play to his strengths unlike the muppet before hand. If and when sturridge gets injured he will score plenty, that's if Klopp doesn't play both anyway. Don't forget he wanted him at Dortmund.

I reckon Klopp was spoken to in the summer anyway and if that was the case then he had at to do with the signings that were made, the club didn't give Rodgers a load of money to spend in summer to sack him did they.

{Ed001's Note - I never said any such thing, so you are lying and wrong.}

14 Oct 2015 15:33:55
Or he will struggle, however you put it!

{Ed001's Note - maybe you should learn to read. I said nothing like that as far as I can remember.}

14 Oct 2015 15:54:03
Yeah I can't read ed. That must be the problem. It's like something a 5 year old would say

{Ed001's Note - well you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, so don't lie and then whine like a 5 year old when you are called up on it. Grow up, you were caught out being a prick and now you don't like it. Go away and come back when you can stop lying about what people have said.}

14 Oct 2015 15:58:00
Don't accuse me of that because I never rated Benteke before he came

14 Oct 2015 18:07:57
I'd rather be an person than a hypocrite!! Stick to your guns lads!

14 oct 2015 19:58:08
ed001 said sturridge is our best striker. Which he is. There was never any mention of benteke flopping from ed001.

14 oct 2015 23:02:54
ed never said that, og. Ed said that benteke had all the tools to be successful at lfc but he would have to work harder, change his attitude and show the desire to be great. If i'm wrong then the ed can correct me.

14 oct 2015 23:52:04
maybe another ed?

14 Oct 2015 10:18:37
Ed001,

I would really love to see you debate with Jaimie Kanwar from Liverpool-Kop about the significance and accuracy of stats in judging a player. According to him, Skrtel is our best defender. because stats bro!

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't waste my breath arguing with him, he has no idea what he is talking about. I read a few of his articles once and have never been back to his site. There are some great blogs out there that are football-based, sadly his is among the worst and he is just trying to be controversial for the sake of it as he has nothing useful to add to a conversation.}

14 Oct 2015 10:30:34
I used to read Liverpool-Kop quite a lot and he is so full of S**t, the things he reports do not come true. i don't go onto that site anymore. James Milner has ran more than any other player in the premier league dosent mean he is our best player because of this, stats like that he always puts up. He just reports what is over the Internet and spices it up and puts his own view on it. don't waste your time reading it as you will 99.9% be wasting your time.

14 Oct 2015 10:37:52
I only go on there to banter with the other commenters. His articles, sometimes I don't even read them. They're just irritating. He doesn't know the difference between critical realism and pessimism. If you tell him otherwise he hits the big red delete button.

He claims all his opinions are genuine and etc, but I just can't see how someone can continually have such left-field views on what is the simple phenomenon of football.

I often cite you guys when I talk about 'rumours', but apparently you aren't credible because your operations aren't based somewhere like Fleet Street.

{Ed001's Note - if he knew who Ed002 was, he would know how incredibly stupid that response is!}

14 Oct 2015 10:39:20
You go around the internet and nearly every single reds fan who knows of him can't stand him. It's often easy to forget he actually follows the reds, because he never conveys any kind of emotional affinity with the club.

14 Oct 2015 10:44:07
Okay will to be fair, he's not a reporter hahaha. He's a blogger. But his blogs are just full of rubbish. You see normal reds fans talk about the normal hard hitting issues, meanwhile there he is in that corner of the internet perpetually bitching about Rodgers' 'gross overpraise', like it's the most overwhelming problem to beset on the club at the moment, and how it's going to have absolutely dire impacts on performance levels. You know what he used to support that? Empirical studies on the effects of gross overpraise on children at school. Unbelievable.

14 Oct 2015 11:36:04
Ed001,

Been on the lookout for any regular blogs or websites that have good analysts or writers who actually know what they are talking about.

Read a few articles on The Anfield Wrap and must say the articles are very different to the run-of-the-mill stuff on ESPN and other popular sites.

Any books/blogs/writers that you think do amazing writings on football?

Thanks a ton! I'll read them if you feel they are good.

{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head, the one I would recommend is swiss ramble. His blog is about the financial dealings of football, and it is excellent.}

14 Oct 2015 12:17:05
Oh ed, I told him to check this website's track record if he didn't believe me, but he's really arrogant, and one of his replies was:
"that is not evidence; it is a website that runs on rumours, the majority of which anyone could make up and achieve a moderate success rate."

Yeah, right, because 'anyone' has the time to fabricate relatively convoluted and detailed financial information that ed002 feeds on this website.

{Ed001's Note - he just needs to grow up a bit. If it was possible to do that then newspapers would have a much better hit rate than they do.}

14 Oct 2015 12:23:01
Jamie Kanwar blocked me for peristent sniping comments haha! I always used to attack his uneducated opininions and terrible journalism.

14 Oct 2015 12:23:41
how about ones more actual football-centric?

{Ed001's Note - unfortunately I don't have a lot of time to explore blogs these days, so I am outof touch with the ones that are worth bothering with. Sorry. I only know Swiss Ramble because it was worthwhile putting that in favourites to keep track of, I have yet to find another blog that has been worth doing that with.}

14 Oct 2015 12:35:06
Liverpool-kop is full of sh*te and never been back, unbelievably badly written and biased.

I also like TAW, particularly their ratings after the game which are very funny (and fair) but this is the only one I regularly read.

14 Oct 2015 13:01:11
Didn't macca and the eds call Klopp as the new man? And many other transfers. Put that on your website Jamie

14 Oct 2015 14:03:00
I wonder why you were blocked ems
Haha

14 Oct 2015 15:08:35
Ed001, now you've sparked intrigue about who Ed002 is ?
Some clues, American, over 50, male / female.
Is is Kaitlyn / Bruce Jenner ?

{Ed001's Note - if I knew who that was I might be able to give a better answer. Sorry but it is not them.}

14 Oct 2015 16:22:44
I have a strong feeling that Ed002 is a lawyer who works in the football industry which explains why he knows so much about how the financial side works, how transfers work, and could also explain why he has inside information if perhaps he worked for an agent or an agent's company.

Am I right (or did I get close) Ed001 or Ed002 even?

14 Oct 2015 17:51:10
Ed001's Note - if he knew who Ed002 was, he would know how incredibly stupid that response is.

Are you telling us that #2 is seb batter?

14 oct 2015 19:28:38
is seb batter ken aguero's agent?

14 oct 2015 23:54:53
just be thankful ed002 posts on here. We are very lucky.

14 Oct 2015 08:43:29
So which player will be top with klopp!
And who will be a flop with klopp!
Opinions

14 Oct 2015 09:07:43
Top : Sturridge
Flop: don't like to say it but I think Benteke will struggle

14 Oct 2015 09:41:52
Top Sturridge and Flanagan when fit, Ibe think will struggle unless Klopp makes a huge improvement in his game.

14 Oct 2015 09:43:21
Top: Coutinho. Perhaps JK can build the team around him!
Flop: imo, Skrtel may struggle. As has been mentioned previously by the Eds and other posters, he doesn't communicate very well, as a result, his team mate don't know what he is going to do, which leads to gaps when he rushes out to make a challenge etc.

Having said that, I know there are a lot of 'average' players at the club, perhaps with the arrival of JK, they'll all step up a few notches, I feel optimistic that they can. I don't want to hark on about BR, but I felt his man management of players, motivational skills, tactics, formation and so on really hindered the progress of each individual. With JK, I believe he'll get the best out of what he has, including academy youngsters.

14 Oct 2015 10:23:41
Not necessarily flops,but I imagine he will want to clear house of some names,We're overloaded up top with several strikers and number 10's.
One of Ings Sturridge and Benteke Origi may go
One of Coutinho,Lallana,firmino, may go
It wouldn't surprise me if Milner goes or is played out wide I thought it would work in the middle,but it just hasn't.

I believe skrtel and Allen should be sold on.Hopefully Klopp will see this.

I expect Can to finally be given the starting spot for me he deserves in the box to box role. Lucas may be given a good chance. I think given the press and necessary workrate, Lucas Can and Hendo will be a good rotating 3 for the 2 position ahead of the defence.

Ibe And Markovic it would be good to see given chances and I expect Klopp to use them much better than as fu^&ing wingbacks!!!! I would expect them to flourish wide right and left

14 Oct 2015 11:08:29
Top: Firmino
Flop: Allen, but i supose that flop considers a player with huge expectations so Benteke.

14 Oct 2015 12:20:06
Top - Firmino, simply because he will play exactly where he is deadly best.
Flop - Milner. Can / Henderson / Lucas / New signing would just go past Milner in every position.

14 Oct 2015 12:50:08
Top - Sturridge, Firmino, Coutinho, Hendo, Sakho, Clyne, Moreno, Ings (although playing 1 striker will hurt him)

Jury out - Milner/llalana/Lucas for lack of pace, Skrtel for defence, Benteke for pressing ability

Flops - Migs, Allen

Future potential stars that will fit his style well - Origi, Teixera, Rossiter, Ibe, Markovic, Ojo, Illori, Gomez, Chirivella, Canos

14 Oct 2015 13:07:11
Klopp system will put the onus on the central midfielders to run and tackle and run and tackle some more. So, I cannot see Lucas, Henderson or Can struggling that much, and I think they will thrive.

The 3 players behind the striker will have to work hard, and will have that freedom to get into the box as well as fall back into a defensive position. So I think Firmino will thrive and Coutinho will be okay.

At the back, I don't see a lot of changes soon, and we will likely see Mignolet, Skrtel and Lovren being checked out and if any changes are made, I think it will be in the summer.

It is up top where I am intrigued to see how it will work. Sturridge will have to work maybe a little harder and at least initially, Benteke and Ings will be back-up.

14 Oct 2015 07:50:44
So has the fashion now swung from 'we need to play our young players' to 'our young players are bang average and don't deserve game time'? Just so I know, it's hard to keep up with the random mood swings sometimes

{Ed001's Note - why? Who has said that?}

14 Oct 2015 13:38:06
There are some people on the others site making out all of a sudden that players like rossiter are average and wouldn't be talked about if we were bringing them in from another club etc.

We all know we have some qwality youngsters and they just need a chance to prove themselves. Hopefully klopp can reignite the fire in ibe who seems to have suffered a loss of confidence under rodgers.

{Ed001's Note - really? I can't believe anyone would think Rossiter is average that has ever actually seen him play a number of times! Kids need time to grow into the team. They will go through tough spells, sometimes it will require them being taken out of the firing line to clear their heads and rebuild confidence. Sometimes you just have to stick with them and allow them to play their way through the sticky patch. At least with Klopp in charge I have some faith that he will actually understand that and more often than not manage them right.}

14 Oct 2015 14:36:30
And sometimes they just need a nice little break mid-season in Jamaica.

{Ed001's Note - not sure that is ever a good idea personally.}

13 Oct 2015 22:52:26
Can someone tell us about Ryan Kent's ability and what's going on with him. He seemed a good player at preseason. Eds?

{Ed001's Note - I am pretty sure he went out on loan to Coventry City mate.}

15 oct 2015 01:05:54
he's at coventry and the fans seem pretty happy with him going on the blogs etc.