Liverpool Banter Archive November 14 2014

14 Nov 2014 20:17:42
Unfortunately Brendan Rodgers and his backroom staff ( coaches and scouts ) are quite literally indefensible.
He ( and his staff ) identified and spent over £100 million on players including 3 of Southamptons better players last season.
After 11 games, even without Jay Rodriguez they are 11 points ahead of us after only 11 games.
We can have opinions of what has gone wrong, but the facts are indisputable - Rodgers has made a complete mess of the squad and tactics - I've been a Kopite since 1960 and I do not believe we have had such an inept backroom staff - and that includes the Souness managerial years.
I have never been one to call for a managers dismissal, but what Rodgers's stubbornness is doing to us is hurting.
The only 2 players not getting rotated is Mignolet and Balotelli, I can understand the Mignolet one, but would any club, in any league, at any standard give a striker so many games without scoring? I and I believe in some ways it's not just his fault - so Brendan please listen to fans, pundits and so called football experts - Mario Balotelli cannot play as a lone striker.

Didnt Crouch get around 11/12 games at the start of his Liverpool tenure without scoring?

Yep Rover - you are right, he did, my bad - but at least we tried to play to his strengths.
Balotelli has great qualities, so why do we ignore them - the lad needs help. He is not a lone striker - you know that, I know that, everyone but BR seems to know it.

14 Nov 2014 18:11:38
Don't you all remember the good old days when it was just me and a few others bemoaning Rodgers tactics/team selections? The site was so happy back then.

And now I'm reading that literally the only good spell of form we've had under Rodgers was actually courtesy of Biesla! Haha, oh dear I'm done after hearing that. I would like to do the honours and be the first to say RodgersOut.

I was on the fence hoping he recovered from his lapse in judgement but it seems that will not happen based on evidence so far. I can honestly say i did not know about bielsa giving him the advice that turned our season around. Beggars belief that he has thrown it out the window and stubbornly persists with a blatantly crap system just to i can only assume prove he knows better than his peers.

Actually knowing this makes me question what value brendan brings to the table, because prior to and post bielsa advice we have been very poor. While i never had rose tinted specs on i was hoping we would not change manager for changes sake but his refusal to adapt is making it hard to support his case.

Eds do you know the circumstances that saw him sacked from reading?

I know Sturridge may not change much, but that is the excuse we have. Other players will definitely get a lift from his return. If he comes back and we still look bad, things might be going "that" way.

Yet again another fan puts all the pressure on Sturridge. I suppose he will organise the defence, organise the midfield, make the necessary passes forward and then run onto same passes and score. Then he will retreat to midfield to protect the back four and if by a strange stroke of bad luck a player gets through midfield Daniel will retreat to the box to clear the cross or block the shot.

Please sto with the Sturridge saviour stuff, the guy has the weight of an entire football club now resting on his shoulders due to Brendan Rogers woeful management, coaching and tactics.

It's time for a new manager.

I remember voicing my concern a long time ago that I thought he was a snake oil salesman who was getting lucky.
I hoped I was wrong
I don't think I was

This thread is embarassing and painful to read.

Just for the record this is not a general feeling I sense amongst the local supporters clubs, or anyone I know who regularly travel home and away to the games. YNWA boys.

What's this about Biesla?

Adam, are you seriously suggesting that because Biesla may, or may not have, suggested some formation tips to Rodgers that he is responsible for last season?

'Courtesy of Biesla'! was Biesla anywhere near Melwood last season? ws he out on the training pitch at any point? was he in the dressing room at White Hart Lane? or Old Trafford? was he in the dressing room the day we beat City at Anfield?

Do you think all you have to do to players is suggest a new formation and everything else just happens?

Now with the 'Rodgers out' call, oh dear.

I didn`t know Bielsa was an interim coach/tactical consultant at LFC. Also, didn`t know he was the one coaching SAS and made some of our players really good. Do some of you even know how painful you sound? I get that some people find it extremely painful to give BR any credit for last season BUT this is pathetic. So Bielsa should b credited for us improving from 7th to 2nd and almost winning the PL, is that it? Had we won the PL, would you give Bielsa the creit for that too? Coaches get advice from other coaches while other coaches have mentors in the game whom they go to for counseling and advice so for those of them that are a bit wet behind the earsand have never heard of things like this, THIS HAPPENS A LOT! Now, you can disagree on the merits w/ his ideas and style and rightfully criticize him for what he`s doing or not doing and God knows, I`m just as frustrated as the next guy. However, I would NEVER stoop this low.

{Ed001's Note - that is your choice, but Rodgers has shown what he is capable of, and for 6 months he did something completely alien to him and look what happened? He deserves no credit, because he is too arrogant to do anything but return to his idiocy.}

Redohio, if BR had used his 'blueprint' that he talks about so often instead of consulting Bielsa, the club would not even be in the UCL in spite of having the SAS last season. Brendan is tactically inept and a con artist, there is no doubt about that. He must be the only manager in the world to abandon a successful system for a failed one just because its his 'blueprint.' The players do not seem to be enjoying their football this season and seem afraid to speak out in fear of getting 'Brendaned' like Agger, Suso, Sakho, Sahin who are all high quality players. His arrogance and stubborness has made the situation even more worse, and the less said about his record in the transfer market the better. The man cannot even identify the most obvious weaknesses in the team, let alone try to rectify them. Why has he not swallowed his pride yet and admitted he cannot organize the defense and appointed a specialist defense coach to sort out the mess? What does his coaching staff do in training apart from sucking out the confidence of the players? Why does he not use a system that the players are comfortable with? The man owes all LFC fans an answer for this shambles he has created.

In my opinion rodgers free flow attacking style football is fascinating when you had players like suarez, sterling, sturridge, coutinho, gerrard on their top form. On form these players not just can be devastating for opponents but also stimulate the whole team to play well. but his system is totally useless and ineffective without those players. Balotelli, markovic are no way going to improve his tactics. under rodgers our defense never going to improve . we would need to appoint a strong defensive coach or play like last season. But to make the second one happen we need very similar player like suarez in the system. versatile, intelligent, energetic, supportive player.

But instead we brought balotelli & markovic . markovic hangs on the wing and panicking to shoot or dribble or less movement not going to help him or the team. What he is doing currently is worser than assiadi. if he is not changed than he would be the same as assiadi.

the move for balotelli was totally clueless decision and inept one by the staff. he would never ever suit rodgers style . even a lunatic can understand that but rodgers and his staff don't ! they just bring him to make fake satisfaction . He is totally opposite to suarez. if would have wait until january for a versatile player that would have been more wise decision than bringing him . brendan and balotelli can mix together . no way. you need to at least offload one or even both.

That isn't Rodgers style Collins. Rodgers style is splitting the centre backs, dropping an attacking midfielder in between them, pushing the full backs into winger positions, passing the ball around the defence and eventually just lumping an aimless cross in to Balotelli. The free flowing attack you speak of was as a result of advice on how to play ftom Biesla.

Rodgers has proven this season that he is too stubborn to abandon his philosophy though and will not play that free flowing, high pressing football permanently. He wants a defensive possession based style.

Ed, if you don`t wanna give him any credit for last year, then that is also your choice. To me, it doesn`t matter who or how you get the advice. If u`re winning games and getting results, then you get the credit. And if you`re losing and being stubborn and inept to the most simplest of things, then you get the blame. That is the fundamentals of how a coach is judged, IMO. He is arrogant and stupidly proud which is clear for all to see. I guess he wants to show BIelsa that he too, has convictions of his own but IMO, BR will fall flat on his face because unlike Bielsa, BR is very uch unproven in the game. If he doesn`t shape up, that stupid pride will get him sacked in the morning for sure.

{Ed001's Note - I would have given him credit if he had stayed with it, but it is difficult to give him credit for doing something he clearly doesn't believe in himself.}

EMS, it`s funny you say that about the system because at Marseilles, Bielsa doesn`t employ that CB`s-splitting crap. I think BR did that on his own.

If that is your main gripe with BR, then I totally understand where you are coming from and why you feel that way.

14 Nov 2014 12:31:30
Is this all just BS or is it true?

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{Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

14 Nov 2014 10:15:46
why are you lot moaning about your club

its simple!

rodger the bodger has replaced a world class player who is a work horse for your style of play and replaced him with 2 of the most laziest players in the game!

stop moaning its simple the buck stops with rodger the bodger

Not moaning here, just nodding in agreement!

14 Nov 2014 05:25:14
Hi eds, just wanted to ask you about 3 players. Obviously balotelli, sakho and borini lead the frontline to leave

That being said, i think that we need to replace them can you tell me if we have somebody in líne

Jackson martinez
Timo horn
Carlos vela
Hector moreno
Asmir begovic

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about any of these arriving in January.}