Liverpool Banter Archive February 14 2013

 

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14 Feb 2013 23:33:56
Keep the faith - this young team needs our support more than ever right now. Singred


 

 

14 Feb 2013 23:17:16
the man never play top lavel, never manage or assist top team, epl only 1 year He is Our Boss. when oposition score a goal his face looks too worried. feels like he don't knw what to do. Yah BR you use £50m who deserve it?

hhh


 

 

14 Feb 2013 23:13:36
Rodgers problem are

1)His methods are not working at all but can't change his very one-dimensional manager

2)Whatever players he brought are not working except sturridgeat at the sametime he himself doesn't have faith in his players Borini is big example

3)He is inexperience manager who has got limitations any team who plays or will play counter attack will win games against us because you can have as much as possession you want it doesn't matter until you know how to use it, his major flaw in his style is to play defenders high up the pitch and keep possesion by passing backward or sideways that won't worry opposition at all, infact that gives them chance to score because they just sit back and watch us play all our possession footy sideways or backwards once we loose ball they fast counter us, when they counter us our defenders struggle because they are already come till half ground or running back to stop the player who is countering us.

4) The expectation of this club are very big its totally different to what Rodgers is used to.

5) I have always believed you never sign players on a back of one good season that same applies to Manager

6) Some fans say you can't critcise Rodgers when we loose, I'm afraid you can't have both ways when we win is because of Rodgers when we loose is because of players as is said you can't have both ways if Rodgers is responsible for wins then his responsible for loses is simple as that.


Yeah I agree with a lot of what you said but last night against zenit st Petersburg Suarez missed 4 really good chances and against west brom gerrard missed a penalty! So the players have to shoulder some of the blame I'm afraid even though they are our two best players!

Ack17


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:53:55
All our problems are due to John henry sitting in america and focusing all his attention and effort on the red sox. it looks like he is content with us paying over the odds for average players just shows where his priorities are. Then if you want to watch from far away mr Henry why don't you hire professionals who can run a football club. not your Fsg business partners

Why rodgers has so much control of this club with nothing on his cv is strange. (Who knows what he wrote in those 180pages). we need a footballing structure, because if we had one we can't sign borini and allen for that kind of money. we need a director of football Asap not ian ayre spurs city chelsea all have a DOF and they have better managers than us, only fergie and wenger don't work under such constraints because of what they have achieved. so for rodgers to convince our owners not to get one is really disappointing

He has also made it look like our scouts are on a break because he hasn't considered any of the players they scouted.
Assaidi sturridge allen borini sturridge coutinho are all players he knew about for a long time, not players Liverpool as a club were interested in (if we had a football structure at our club that won't happen)even those heading our scouting team are his buddies which I think is wrong for a manager with little epl experience to be able to influence.

Also for me next season is really crucial for us we need to get our signings spot on, not those who take 2yrs to settle we need the players who would make an immediate impact. If they want to sign only players under 23 that is fine. arsenal sign cheap young players and sell for a massive profit and still make top4 every year. we just need to sign the right ones, not the ones brendan recommends next time

Cos with the new tv money coming and teams signing players who make instant impact we might permanently the fighting for the europa league spots. spurs arsenal chelsea city united everton ahead of us right now, next season the competition for top7 would be tougher than this season. swansea and newcastle could be in the mix next year. let's just hope we don't loose suarez next year don't be fooled with the lenght of his contract or him saying how he loves Liverpool. let's wait till bayern juve city or any top club that makes an offer for him then let's see if he rejects them. All world class players want champs league and to challenge for top honours simple as that

PACMAN


Spot on. I agree with every word. But the real problem will be at the end of this season. If we carry on with this slump we could end up outside the top 10 even and what did our owners say before the season they want top 4 as a min. So therefore I think Rodgers will be gone at the end of the season. Like you I have said on these pages before that brendan needs help but I think he is far too stubbon so he is cutting his nose off to spite his face there in my opinion. We will just have to wait and see but my bet is brendan will be gone.

AndyKophead.


Can't blame FSG for under performing team.


You mention Arsenal achieving top 4 every season, which obviously is true, but Wenger has been there a decade. That's 10 years of implementing his philosophy and style of play. They didn't just sign kids back in the days when they won trophies.

Maradoo


15 Feb 2013 09:26:54
Suarez missed 4 clear cuts yesterday!
DAMN YOU FSG!
Gerrard missed a peno.
FFS FSG!

WelshBoyDave


 

 

14 Feb 2013 23:04:29
Did I really read down the page " BR has lost the fans " really?

The way some of the "fans" think about him i'm sure he'd rather lose them than keep fickle fans who think every defeat is his fault and never consider that maybe the players on the pitch didn't do enough OR the opposition was just really having a good day, But no no if we lose its BR's fault if we win its down to the players right? How can he ever win.

HPH


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:44:45
I said I will give Rodgers the same time that Kenny was given and I will stand by that, but what's really pi**ing me off is the head in the sand brigade on here. Who can not have a word said against anyone at the club, if your happy with what's happening at Liverpool ATM then great, but why are you attacking people who have a different view to yours?

It's mediocre at best and no real signs of improving at the minute, which is not acceptable for a team with the size and stature of Liverpool.

You who blindly back the team and the manager without questioning what's going on are onto a winner, because if by some miracle we turn things around you will all pat yourselves on the back and abuse the people who dared question the powers that be, and if it goes tits up you will blame the questioning voices for not backing the team. So for you crowd your in a win win position.

The regular posters who come on here saying the team can do no wrong, were were you with your backing for Kenny when results were not going well KNOWHERE! And that's why your all so blinkered now, you were doing exactly the same to Kenny what your criticising people on here for doing to Rodgers and that's why you are giving unconditional backing to him and F$G because you got what you all wanted, RID OF DALGLISH!

As I have said above I will back Rodgers for the same amount of time that was afforded to Kenny, but I won't slag people who choose not to because just like you they are entitled to there opinion and right to question what's going on!

Waro

p. s I genuinly don't care what you reply to this post because your views mean ZERO to me and will not affect me one jot, I will be there on Sunday hoping for a win and getting behind the team while you will be on here spuing your bile!


Post of the day, well said waro.
Eam


Agree 100%. When did 9th place, no wins against sides in the top half of the league. out of 2 cups and virtually a third become acceptable for our club.

Its not about finance. £33m wasted (Allen £15m, Borini £11m, Assaidi, £3m, Sahin £4m loan fee). can't we have a manager that s good in the market?


Waro, you'll always get an agree from me pal, I'm on the same page. I don't bother posting anymore, you can't win with some of the posters and Editors on here. I've given up but I can guarantee without a shadow, we're going nowhere under Rodgers. Allen, Sahin, Assiadi, Borini all a waste of time. Carra retiring at the end of the season as he wants out. Sterling out of control, to busy partying and now showing in his game (thats what you get with kids FSG) Rodgers would be best served as a PE teacher. Crafty move tonight bringing Lucas on at 2 down, 3 nil and the tie was over. How would that have looked with 30,000 at Anfield next Thursday.

Ozone


OK hi Waro, LS7 here. I'm one who thinks we should keep Rodgers by the way.

1. I have never 'attacked' anyone for having an opinion. In fact I have been abused by many of the 'Rodgers out' crew for saying we should hold onto him. So you are wrong there if I'm being honest.

2. I honestly don't think we could get many other managers to come in and improve us over the long term.

3. You call it a 'miracle' that we turn it around I call it patience and I never have and never will abuse anyone for giving an opinion.

4. You say we wanted Kenny out. that's just really talking bull to be honest. Just because we are backing Rodgers doesn't mean we wanted Kenny out. I personally wanted Kenny to stay and backed him all the way while he was here. Unfortunately he was sacked. Now I am supporting our current manager and will back whoever succeeds him too.

I know you probably don't care but there's my feedback from your post.
Cheers,
LS7.


Haha - you type that garbage, expect people to read it and then state you don't care about replies. You go on about letting others have differing opinions, then state peoples replies mean zero to you!

You say you will go to the game and get behind the team, then you come on here spreading nothing but negativity. The anonymity of the Web hey - happy to slag players etc when you don't have a face.

For the record - you spew more bile on here than most.

Just when you thought you couldn't detest Waro's posts any more, he comes out with a classic like this.

Liverpres


I'm on the same page as LS7.
I had many debates on here and was firmly in the Kenny camp, I wanted him to stay and thought he deserved more time. But that was then and this is now.
I support Rodgers and can see what he's trying to do, granted I would be a fool if I wasn't worried.
Thing is we all want the same thing, success for our club.
IMO we just have to have patience, as in life, sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

kidmillions


You have spewed more bile on here than most mate! Dalglish is part of the reason we are in this mess due to some of the worst signings in our history. Not the sole reason, just a part of it.

I'll admit that Borini and Allen do not look to be good business at the moment, but we still have an awful lot of crap in our team that needs replacing. I believe in BRs philosophy, I didn't in Kennys.

Ash


15 Feb 2013 09:28:38
Waro, it was just the other day you verbally attacked someone (namecalling) for having an opinion that differed to yours, so don't play the houlier than thou card!
WelshBoyDave


Waro & Ozone are just bait for the attackers

In fairness both are sinned against more than they sin

Speaking the truth always means
being unpopular


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:42:34
Oh dear.
No Fa or League cup, Europa gone, and no Champs league.
Oh yes, at this rate no Europa cup next season as well.
No that is real progress ain't it.
And to think King Kenny got sacked for winning a trophy, getting to the final of another, and qualifying for Europa.
Life is just not fair.


FSG listened to their advisors {Ed002's Note - Dalglish caused a massive self inflicted wound on December 21, 2011 and it was very clear soonafter that he would be gone at the end of the season. Perhaps people should have listened when told that at the time rather than whining.}


15 Feb 2013 07:35:27
i don't know why people are so much worried about carling cup, and other domestic mickey mouse cup.
Buddy. we need CL. you relaise that.
Out of mickey mouse cup was acceptable when Rafa was in charge,, coz. at the end of the season. we were in CL.

No one ever,, criticised rafa over elimination from Mickey mouse cup. coz. our aim was either PL. or CL.
now people are happy with europa league, fa cup, carling cup.

Utter bulrubbish.
Any manager who manage a top club should attain CL spot. now that's what we should focus on.

Mickey mouse. uncle scrooj. and other cups wil follow.


Ed002 are you refering to the Suarez shirt thing at Wigan?

Ryan 'O {Ed002's Note - Yes Ryan.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:42:05
Hi Eds & Reds. The last two games have highlighted the fact that were not buying the right players at a time when we need them. Apart from Danial Sturridge (who's absence has been so obvious) were filling the spaces with inferior players. Spurs and making signings and were losing signings. How much extra would ince have cost 2 million? How much is 4 place or a Europa cup win worth. We're penny pinching by buying young kids when we now need quality young strong men. Yes they cost more but success returns more!


Totally agree

tom1975


Penny pinching hmmm, let me think!, oh yes that's 175mil or as near as damn it spent in exactly 2 years, and please don't give me the net spend bollo$ks, cause according to everyone on here most of the players sold where "dead wood"
anon


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:41:40
No chance against swansea on sunday i'm affraid to say!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:25:01
Hi all, what have Joe Allen Henderson skertel downing Carroll and borini got in common. They would not get into my 5aside team! A lot of dead wood at the club!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:19:30
Eds fellow reds, after watching Real Madrid last night make the comfortable prem league leaders look average, it does make me wonder how great the prem really is I mean its just as well we aren't in champs league because we would get completely destroyed every game. We are struggling against any team above mid table . and Real Madrid are 4 th and 12 points of top so if we look at the full picture we are along way away from 6 years ago.


Utd were very good last night.


15 Feb 2013 07:46:39
Real can make any team look average.
they are the top team in the world.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:10:03
Right lads I didn't get to see the game this evening but I can see there's an awful bad feeling brewing towards buck. So what's the answer lads? Sooner or later we going to have to give a manager a bit if time and support. Personally I'm backing buck and I think given time and our full support he will get it right. Yes some of the new players are not performing but look at whiskey nose and how many players he's bought who didn't set the world alight at first but came good given time. Also some players never hit the great heights that are expected of them. Every team has these problems. We need to back our manager and our team no matter what. If buck does get sacked who do we get to replace him? Neill warnock? Martin oneill? We might just have the right man now.
Donegal red


14 Feb 2013 23:46:27
Your fool if you think we should support Rodgers no matter what, if we continue the way we are going sooner then later will be in relligation fight and that will be the biggest shame of century

Again your fool if you think there is no alternative to rodgers, there are a lot of alternative to Rodgers, ancelotti is one of them and he knows about football rodgers will ever know.

If fans wouldn't voice their opinions today Liverpool fc would be playing in Championship when hicks and gillet were our owners. Need to be carefull and intelligent rather then support blindly and be responsible of our club demise!


Rodgers described tonight as a "near perfect away performance".
No goals
Less possession
2 goals conceded.

Near perfect? How can you back that?


15 Feb 2013 00:26:52
Wise up will you. It's persons like you that'll have us changing managers every time we lose a game. We need stability. By all means bring in someone with more experience to help out but not to take over. As for ancilotti or Jose or any of the other top table managers, we have no chance of bringing them to anfield. They all want champions league sides or at the very least the money to get there straight away. We now have to progress year by year and that means keeping the same manager and trusting him. We had rafa who was successful until his last year then everyone turned on him for 1 bad season. Roy was Roy. Kenny didn't do much better so everyone turned on him. Now it's Brendan's turn. When does it stop?
Donegal red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:35:16
Well, well, well.
It just keeps getting better, does it not.
I trust Mr Henry and Co enjoyed that performance, and the "tactical brilliance" of their manager.
Step up FSG, its time to make that change. your manager is not worthy of his current post.
Red Baron.


Who would you bring in smart ass? Keep play FIFA kid


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:33:52
Fans having a go at brendan rodgers are right, he is clueless when it comes to tactics and his buys have been really poor too jus like last few managers

Hodgson- konchelsky poulen lol joke

Dalglish- hendo 16 mil downing 20 mil carroll 35 mil

Rodgers- allen 15 mil borini 8 mil why buy assaidi if your not going to play him

Rodgers is same as kenny same excuses after match, he does need time I agree but we hant got 100 years and neither has he,, he talks about playin football and tika taka yet we dint show any of that allen is soo poor swansea probli wunt take him back for free

LUIS SUAREZ is brilliant and I luv him but seriously he misses more than he scores and the team jus depend on him too much

Just soo dissapointed, last few games have been bad including man city and arsenal which we should have won

Pepe raina and carragher are two players today who fought for us the rest need a kick up the arse


Basy


I'm sure 95% of the fans didn't expect us to get top 4 this season, for me this season was the start of rebuilding our team


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:32:10
when everyone who slates the summer signings made by BR do they ever consider why we couldn't sign a better calibre of player? Was it possibly that not being in the champions league the better players wouldn't come here, we had to trim the wage bill so we lost a number of experienced players poss 6-7 of the old first team squad. With the money spent we had to try to buy who we thought were good, young hungry players who would come and play for lfc and work within a pay structure that would be bennificial in the long term for lfc. What we have now is massive doubts as fans over some of these signings such as Borini, Allan, assaidi etc but that is the chance you take when you buy potential in that they will not all shine straight away or possibly never.
If we had tried to sign poss 2 top players we would have had to hammer our wage structure to obtain this calible of player and this would also have had a knock on effect with players currently playing. This transfer strategy would also have left us with a very thin first team squad for the ammount of games played and for injury cover.
We have got to be patient with Br and the owners and while it may take a while with more signings to replace players here who are not good enough, youth
development and a better quality of player coming in
we will progress and chalenge once more.
Remember patience is a virtue.
marco


Horserubbish marco

we could have signed better players in summer

diarra 4 million

sissokko cost 2.5 million

diame was free

the point is we couldn't afford to spend 50 million on potential when we were losing eperienced internationals like kuyt bellamy and maxi


we aren't asking for cavani ronaldo

but proven players with abilty who have shown they can do it at top level

feghouli belhanda diame mertens aubameyang diarra bony hon-seung min holtby draxler capoue
sahko gameiro
these players are all in the 8-12 million bracket and are actually proven quality

we spend 11 million on fabio borini who might yet come good in 2 seasons time, allen for 16 million. newcastle can buy half a team of superior players for that much

money badly spent. anyone who denies this is just blind

tom1975


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:31:25
Wow. I get that everyone is unhappy with the last few results and the season as a whole but I'm reading all this negativity and calls for everybody to get sacked and i'm absolutely disgusted. Patience and support are two things we all seem to be lacking. We have a young team who is learning to adapt to a new style of play. We would all love to be top four but we do not have a god given right to cl football. We will have to work our way up like everybody else. If it take 5 seasons so be it. I for one will still be here supporting them. But I guarentee we will get there. We have young kids with lots of potential who need time. They do not need '4 or 5 world class players' (as some person requested, i'm not even going to state the obvious and pick holes in that) being brought in
ahead of them. And as for bring rafa back his success came at a price. We were alarmingly close to becoming a leeds or a portsmouth. We do not need that back. Sorry for the long post guys and well done for getting through it but let's all support the club not just its successes.
RealisticRed


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:28:53
We was always going to have a bad season this year with all the young players. with young players you will get get inconsistency. Villa are a prime example. I don't think it helped us when we failed to get a striker in the summer. Thank god for suarez without him we would probably be in a relagation battle. we need to give them time and support them not get on there backs all the time this will not help them improve it will just add to the pressure. (WE SHOULD BE THE TWELFTH MAN) Get bahind the lads not slate them all the time.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:28:28
Just wondering if after tonight's fiasco FSG are regretting not buying a cricket team instead. They are currently taking a financial kicking and things don't look like they will be any better anytime soon. RED LENIN


I am an Indian and if you are talking about them buying a team from the IPL (Richest cricket league in the world right now) it wouldn't be any better than their current state! Of all 10 teams only 1 has made profit over the last 5 seasons!

sama491


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:26:10
Ok, I've been involved with a fair bit of the annoyed comments tonight but now the dust is settling may I ask you guys your opinion on something? I'm not one for knee jerk decision making but I would like to know your thoughts on what may or may not happen to our manager. Given that we're probably going out of the Europa league now as we can't seem to keep a clean sheet what does everyone think will happen if we continue to slide in the league? Remember that Dalglish was sacked for a poor league season despite doing well in the cups. Don't tell me what you want to happen because I can guess that already, tell me what you THINK may happen. Will they stick with the plan and go with the long term project or bite the bullet and employ a more experienced manager?


I wuld think he has until this timenext season to really improve our fortunes if we don't go on an alarmingly bad run. if we do I think he will be sacked. if we slide any further down the table he will be sacked.

personally I am giving himuntil xmas

thats 18 monhts, half his contract

if he hasn't improved our league form after 18 monhts and will likely have spent 80-90 million then he isn't the right man for the job

tom1975


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:07:50
I am a big Rodgers fan, I like the style of football he implements, I think he gets Liverpool as a club, unlike Hodgson, and unlike some of youse I'm actually going to give his signings a season to bed in and get to grips with playing with as big a club as Liverpool.

What I don't like however, is being told that Liverpool's performance has been almost perfect or whatever when it clearly hasn't been anywhere near perfect. I've seen enough to know that we've made progress this year, we've put in some great performances and scored far more than last year, but individual mistakes are costing us dear, and that is due to perhaps a complacent mentality that some players have. Rodgers clearly has the ability to get the best out of players - Downing, Henderson etc. - however, I hope he's giving the team a real dressing down after a performance like that, as if the players are buying into what he said after the Zenit game then further progress will definitley be stunted.

Alan Partridge


If Suarez had put away half of his clear cut chances yesterday we would have come away from a tough away game in tough conditions against a very good team with an away goal or 2.
That would really have been as good as we could have expected with our squad and so would have been the perfect performance to bring back to Anfield. We can't blame Rodgers or tactics for players missing chances. The selection and tactics can only give you a platform to create chances and win and we had that.

Simon


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:06:47
Feeling really down about how are beloved football team seems to be going downhill but I think we just need to stick with BR and give it at least another season. Against Man city I was thinking how good we looked, especially going forward but the last couple of results have been a major diserpointment. Now I think BR needs another transfer window and hopefully strenghen other areas and with the younger players having a full season behind them next year we will improve. Look at teams like Juventus and Dortmund, they all were out of the champions league and not challenging there domestic leagues for some seasons but with time there back and stronger than ever.
Still fancy us to turn the 2-0 defeat to Zenit around, they looked poor at the back.

Bilverstone
YNWA


What win 3-0, ha, ha, ha. who is going to score then mate.


Trust the Guru he will get it right


Poor at the back.
Poor in the middle and in the front.
On the Bench sat the man, who didn't have a clue!.


Zenit have enough quality to score at anfield

thats the problem

tom1975


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:02:01
This is what I think will happen in the future, if we stick with our manager, and hopefully Suarez:

This season: Out of Europa League vs Zenit, finish 8th.

2013/14: Get to around semi-final in FA cup, and finish 6th.

2014/15: Semi final of the Europa League, and Quarter final of the league cup. Finish 4th.

Piledriver


Can you tell me the lottery numbers for next week please?

Roy


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:02:01
torres is a true ginger, never seen a that on a spaniard before


 

 

14 Feb 2013 22:01:37
Young manager & squad. BR has always said we would lose games this season and it will take time, not 6 months but TIME which the owners are giving him. What our club needs is stability so please stop the BR out nonsense as its childish clueless talk. He's been given time so accept defeat and love the wins, if we are in the same situation in 2 years time then maybe it hasn't worked but for goodness sake give the guy a few seasons.
Some may not be happy with the signings and quote the sums paid for Allen & Borini as if they are disgusted, but what does it matter? 16 million or so for Allen didn't stop us getting Cavani! And it's not your money, so be grateful we have owners who are prepared to give a manager time & backing in this fickle sport. It wouldn't hurt to actually support some of the players who have had a dip in form and maybe help them improve, you never know, they may surprise you!

Flavor boy


It is are money when were paying to go and they will probably put ticket prices up next season! God I can't take anymore

Waro


14 Feb 2013 22:58:40
finally someone with sense

wolvo_Jake


In a word. deluded


I'll take the job when it's next available, we may loose 20 odd games and get relegated but give me time to build something great.

Plymouth Red.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:59:52
Eds

Please tell me we are going to get rid of Glen Johnson in the summer! Looks great going forward but can not defend! Always loses his man at the back post. Any chance we can get Micah Richards I?

Cheers Watto


Martin Kelly!


SO micah richards good at the back and braindead going forward?


Nope, keep him and play him as right winger. ,!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:54:37
So. Wots your thoughts about BR now then boys?
As I said I think he will be managing a relgation battle within 3 years, maybe that could be with u?
Whats your thoughts on when Carra, Saurez and gerrard leave?
Dont you think when they go the only expirence your 'expirenced players' will have is of 'transistion'.
Confident?
Chris the REDman


You need to concentrate on what's going to happen when Fergie retires.

Confident?

Plymouth Red.


Spooky but true! Uglygeordiegenius


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:53:21
Some of the posters on here make me laugh. After the arsenal and man city games people where full of praise for the team and mentioning how we where going in the right direction. Now, after the west brom game which we dominated but failed to take advantage and a game at zenit that was similar to the west brom game, those same posters are slagging the team and manager off. Make your mind up.
The reality is we have to give the manager time to rebuild. Do you really expect us to be challenging after brendan only being there for half a season.
As much as I hate to mention him but ferguson had five years at the mancs before getting anywhere and that was in the days when there wasnt a man city or chelsea with their spending power.
Also King Kennys first half season wasnt going great until they turned it round after xmas. And he inherited a great team before going on to build another great team.
Brendan inherited a team with no confidence and the club had only just been saved from going out of business a year before.
We can not fford to go and spend spend spend and the players and the manager we have need our support or it won't get any better.

In brendan we trust YNWA JFT96


You can't be surprised anymore, buddy, our fans are by far the most fickle around.

ChrisMiz


There is a big gap between where we are and challenging. most expected us to be somewhere in the middle

Fergie in 86 inherited a very bad side with drinking gambling and other bad habits. it took him 3 years (not 5) to reform with little money.
Most of our current team played champions league football 3 years in a row and were part of a team that finished with 86 points (which would have won the league in 20 out of the 25 PL seasons). In addition to the experienced squad players we spent big money in the last 2 windows.

And I don't understand the "inherited a team with no confidence", he started the season, he did n't come in mid way. he had all summer and pre-season to inject any confidence that was lacking into the team. That very team that were FA cup finalists, so not sure where the lack of confidence comes from.

(I have a feeling this is wasted on you)
Roy


Roy had a better record than brendan rodgers and he went pretty quick. giving rodgers time he will just make Liverpool an even bigger joke than he has now. took rafa 4 years to lose as many home games as this clown.


Roy, you have to remember that the players that remain from our CL/86pt period are the weaker players or time has taken the edge off their powers. No Alonso, Mascherano, in form Torres, Benayoun, Kuyt etc. the gradual reduction in quality has been happening over 5 years or so. This will take time to put right and we need to make sure that when we put the final pieces in the puzzle together, our first purchases are not too old.

Simon


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:53:12
The main reason we are were we are has been our transfers and we can blame most managers for that. Most not good enough for Liverpool FC, you may say they will be good in time but we don't have time, the longer we stay away from champions league the longer it will take to get back in it. And what are our scouts doing? have we bought any players yet which our scouts recommended rather then the manager? How can others team scout and buy players for less then 5m who then turn out good and we keep paying top dollar for crap! MrT


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:52:20
One thing FSG have proven is that they'll not listen to the fans when making decisions around the management and it's structure. The sacking of King Kenny proves that. Something is definitely afoot if we are to believe the Ancelotti rumours.
In the meantime we as supporters could look at this in one of two ways;
1) FSG are already making plans for BR's successor but will assess the situation come end of the season.
2) BR will be given one more season and the funds to go along with that strategy. Although IMO this is (on current form), looking the more risky strategy.
Either way we are stuck with BR until the end of the season so let's remember who we are and what sets us apart from any other fan - YNWA.


Two more seasons at least.


Until xmas

thats 18 months and 3 transfer windows

if he can't improve the team in that amountof time with likely spending 80 oddmillion ( 50 already spent) more than any other pl side this season) then I see no reason to waste furthermoney on him

tom1975


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:50:44
My my, how the self proclaimed 'mighty Liverpool' have fallen, Manchester United are unlucky not to win at the great real madrid, and Liverpool lose 2-0 to a second rate russian team. How sad.

Duggo (a happy Manchester United fan)


Unfortunately he is right. I think we need a director of football who will go out and try and sign the best. Not players like Allen and borini


No need to be rude


Duggo says he is happy, but in reality he is a very sad person.

Nick


Man Utd played like a non league side facing clearly superior opposition and were very very lucky to not be three or four down by half time. They got lucky on the break, in fact they reminded me a lot of west brom. Smash and grab springs to mind.


Unlucky to win at real madrid, but are you not always unlucky in europe, 30 years of fergie, two european cups, twenty attempts, so unlucky a lot of times.

B O H


I wouldn't call Zenit a "second rate Russian team" at all.

Clearly you have very little knowledge of football Duggo, because if you had, you would have remembered that Zenit were the club that slapped Man Utd's arse 2-1 in the 2008 Uefa Super Cup.


Your turn will come pal, as soon as fergies goes and referees and fa aren't getting bullied, just wait and see. Rob b


Oh I can't wait til Fergie retires. Then you will know exactly how it feels. We are starting from scratch buddy. The foundations are in place and we will be back. What are you doing on the Liverpool page any way? Too boring being a United fan or do you just like causing trouble? Your not wanted here if you're going to cause trouble.
You'll Never Walk Alone.
Cheers
LS7.


With nothing better to do on valentines night than troll other pages you couldn't be that happy.
derryred


Duggo.
Your team were very impressive last night, put in a valiant display.
There is just no substitute for experience, and SAF has loads of it.
Fancy, you might roll Real at home.
Red Baron.


The second rate russian champions?


Zenit are not second rate

Russia still bad I see


Second rate Russian team?!
Last I heard they were last seasons
champions.
What would I know.
chrisming


Red baron is tring to get a date with the lonely duggo the uggo. real will knock them out. tommy Irish Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:46:02
Last year KD spent big and the widely held view is he spent badly and this led to his departure- this time BR has done the same by returning to hire players he has worked with before. Allen looks like a fish out of water at a big club whilst the gaffer does not even have confidence to play Borini even as a sub in a Uefa cup tie. Although his other buys (Sturridge and Coutinho) will probably prove to be a success the waste of 26m on Allen & Borini may well prove to be BRs downfall.
If I was FSG I would not trust him to buy centre backs as he will probably buy five and a half foot players for that position too.


Rodgers has a couple of Hobits lined up for the centre half positions and he reckons they'll be the business


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:43:25
Its very annoying at the moment, its hard when BR is the best defender we have, maybe its time hr give the players what for in public (KD would have) however, SUPPORT YOUR FU#•ING team!

We need something to change, click and we will move forward.

some of the abuse on here is unreal, don't like the team? **** OFF!

BR had made mistakes but some of the players need to stand up and be counted and so do the supporter


No Mate

Thats one way of looking at it

The other way of looking at it is that the sooooner BR departs the quicker we can move forward

This Guru thing of BR is never going to work


15 Feb 2013 12:36:10
How does getting rid of Rodgers move things along more quickly?
Pay him off, and his backroom. that's about £10 million there, then sign who? Realistically, who is going to come in and turn us around on a limited budget?
You, name names!

WelshBoyDave


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:43:12
If we do loose Suarez, would we be a better team without him as we could buy 2 quality players for the money we would get from him.

BigD


Judging by how Brendan has spent the money so far (apart from Sturridge) we would probably buy six mediocre players with it. Rob b


6 hobits that would be wiped out against a physical team from a lower diuvision my god that's already happend who was it that's right it was Oldham


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:41:15
Are we Liverpool?

How far have we fallen, it is unreal.

Never back BR when he first took over, should be managing Watford let alone us. BUt thought would give him a chance, but we are going backwards our season is over. At least Kenny nearly got us 2 cups.

I don't believe in changing the manager every 2 minuets. But Woy and BR were never in a million years good enough.

We need to change for manager for the last time and make sure we get it right, beause we don't have any chances left.

Should I say it maybe even Rafa back, at least we would be able to defend.

I would never have thought we would have fallen this far since 08/09, its shocking really.

Yorksred


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:37:04
Don't worry everyone. As Brendan himself said 'It's all part of the dance'.


The dance

By Garth Brooks

That ended in flames


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:31:47
Last time Liverpool won when Allen has started anyone know.
He is a nothing player, can't run, can't tackle, can't shoot and can't pass further than 8 yards, (sideways) average opposing midfielders are running past him.
Allen will be the player that will eventually cost Rodgers his job, because he has to stand by spending 15 million quid on him.
i actually think Rodgers is a decent coach but his choice of teams and players are really poor, its like he doesn't know his strongest team or doesn't know how to adapt to different circumstances.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:28:38
Ok we'll have decent result v Swansea, heroic failure v Zenith and all the Brainwashed will say We're great and on course. then carp, carp, draw win whatever. Problem is its hit and miss-its a roller coaster. Not Good ENOUGH FOR OUR GREAT CLUB!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:24:06
Ones who like stats Asian red etc will be well chuffed with this Season. Just shame results count eh?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:22:21
De ja vu every week same


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:21:33
Brendans borrowed Houlliers, and Kennys, tape recorder of same excuses. The clueless expression that hit in tonight, followed by bull after West Brom game sends alarm bells he's losing earlier than others mentioned. At least they achieved something before losing plots. Sickve Groundhog Day dominating procession, miss chances-beaten performances


You should have got used to the dominating games and missed chances from last season. ain't going to change any time soon I reckon.
chrisming


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:17:32
Will someone now listen to me. I've been banging on about Liverpool's poor defence for about three seasons now. Even in pre-season friendlies we don't seem bothered about conceding goals. The last three managers seemed to have overlooked this situation. Now it seems to be hitting home to all the fans too. But I'm afraid to say, the club does not have the financial clout to address this problem along side the problem of the need to sign top class quality strikers and midfielders. In excess of 200 million pounds is required to get back to the top. FSG ain't spending that and no world class player is coming to a long time ago top club that now languishes mid table.
Some serious thinking on behalf of FSG needs to be done to halt the slide down the league of prestige. Once out of gaze of the press and media, then its a long way back.

Stu the red.


Stu,
Much as I agree that our defence is rubbish. Not so sure it's been that bad for 3 years and it certainly won't take 200m to rebuild.
The players we have are good enough it's the tactics I'm convinced are inadequate and I'm having serious concerns about what is being worked on in training as we just seem to get worse every game.
But don't worry all the 'real' fans will be straight on your case in the next few minutes telling you BR will get it right and if you we're a real fan you would support the team no matter what.


The "last three managers" would include Rafa - who ran one of the tightest defences the Premier League has ever seen.


The only way is to blood Kelly, Wisdom, McLaughlin, Suso, Sterling, Sinclair, Ibe and hope those and more become strong over the next couple of years.

Papa G


Only 2 teams conceded less goals than Liverpool in the league last year.

The Irish Rover


If the strikers could hit a barn door it might help


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:12:38
I am still prepared to give Rogers time, but the last two games have got me doubting him slightly, his substitutions have left a lot to be desired, should stop moving hendo around, downing doesn't offer enough to warrant a starting place and Allen looks lost, borini not showing anything, if we lose to Swansea I think Rogers will be under real pressure and if we have a poor end to season I think we will lose Suarez. Rob b


I thonk it's a foregone conclusion we will lose Suarez no matter what. Why on earth would he stay? RED LENIN


What, you only doubting him now. where have you been since August mate.


Well with the prospect of absolutely "no" European football next season. why would he stay and continue to play alongside some the players we have.
At some stage he will realise that LFC under BR is going "NOWHERE">


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:06:59
I got abuse for telling you all that this manager was out of his depth 6 months ago and that he wouldn't make progress this season against what KK did last year.

Top 4, really! Who on earth really believed that? We are top 10 at best this season and I do not believe that this style of football will progress LFC next season or the season after.

For the record, I think FSG have backed the club and made very reasonable funds available (circa £160m). The issue is that the funds have, by and large, been wasted over the last two years.

FSG will not make a change right now, they are committed to a level of investment and a strategic direction chosen at the beginning of the season. My fear is that it will take at least another season and LFC to fall even further behind before they realise that they need to invest in proven managerial experience to turn this around.

Let me ask everyone to honestly consider this - what if by chance (yes, I know unlikely) FSG had managed to persuade someone like Mourinho to join LFC two years ago and had given him £160m to spend. DO YOU THINK WE WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION NOW??

I know what I think. What do you think? More importantly, I wonder what FSG think?

ConnorsLFC


It is surely time for FSG to try and safeguard their investment.
No matter what Ancelotti wants. pay it, we need him, the whole thing hinges on a experienced and capable manager coming in and hopefully turning this damn "sinking ship" around.


So you called it before the prem even kicked off, way to give the man a fair chance.

KUMBER


Its been wasted because of the mediocre managers we've had. benitez had conections an was a very good scout he still managed to bring in one quality player every season on a limited budget you want success bring benitez back!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:04:57
Ok, so most people are starting to doubt BR, his philosophy and most of the team to various different extents.

So what do we do?

Sack him? Throw £100m on new players? And what if the new manager is worse? Or the new players don't settle?

So if you stick with BR, will things improve? I started looking at some successful young managers abroad and most of them have plenty of older more experienced staff around them. I think this is perhaps something FSG and Rodgers need to consider. Surely in times like this experience would be invaluable? I think someone mentioned Roy Evans - someone like him (great coach, experienced, nice bloke) would be great in my opinion.

Trying to think of realistic solutions to this slump in form rather than just whinging.

Thoughts?

Raoul


Get rid. not upto it results don't lie.


Lets be honest LFC under BR is as attractive as a holiday on Anthrax Island (Hannibal Lector).


Results don't lie, so were chelsea the best team in europe last season I don't think so.

KUMBER


 

 

14 Feb 2013 21:00:43
In my opinion:

Things will get worse this season.
Rodgers will get sacked.

Only one half decent manager will take the job.
I never ever wanted him back but when the club is at rock bottom he is the only one who will take the job other than complete losers.

I was completely in favour of him getting sacked last time, I still think it was the right decision. But since then we have had 2 disasters and King Kenny. He at least knows the basics which Brendan seems devoid of.

Rafa will stabilise the club.


In raffa we trust?

maybe again we soon might.


I would take Rafa over BR anyday of the week.


Ye cause he is a great manager.
he has destroyed 3 champions league winning teams. Liverpool, inter, chelsea.

KUMBER


My God


RAFA over Kenny what are ye thinking?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:59:03
Just watching the Tottenham Game, So depressed.
What a bale that player is! Harls99


Wasn't it the dastardly Damien Comolli who took Bale to Spurs?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:58:53
I understand how the feeling is abou the last 2 games, but can we just take a step back and put some belief into the team. There's been times in the past when I've honestly wondered if a lot of the players have known how to play football, but I have faith in this group and as a bunch of supporters we need to back them or we're not going anywhere. Finger pointing at Rodgers and a variety of players is no good.


And finger pointing at the fans is just plain ridiculous, stupid and just shows you have little thinking protons of your own.
Roy


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:58:48
No real LFC fan wants to slate the manager or players, but, we seem to be getting worse. I cannot see what BR has brought to the team in terms of quality players or style of play?
I have supported this club for over 35yrs and have never thought of us as a mid table team ( and we have had some very mediocre players over the latter years ) but I do now and it is hard to take.
We look weak in mid-field and average in many other areas. We are clinging onto this holding midfielder role when I think we should move on.
To be honest IO enjoy watching our under 21 team more.
I don't think BR is up to the task. We still struggle to pass it to each other and his team selections are poor.
I think we look more balanced with Wisdom on the right and Johnson on the left. Jordan has to play in a central role and Sterling needs to return to the reserves.
We need players who can control and hold onto the ball. Suso needs to come back in.
Its no fun watching at the moment and there seems little light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe I am just going to have to accept mediocrity like the rest of the Liverpool management and owners.

Gutted really,,,,,,

DJC


I was thinking the same thing last night. Maybe we should all just calm down and accept this is how it's going to be from now on. That saying, it does really hurt watching some of games lately to see how far we've dropped off.
chrisming


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:53:47
just love how you fans are quick to want the manager out, who wants the job nobody wants it, bring back kk he should never have been sacked you all say did you notice how much he had aged towards the end of his time as manager, meaning the pressure was getting to him bring back benitez yeah did very well but I would to if I had a turnover of 200 players and as for joe allen he didn't become a bad player overnight he's just out of form but there again look at the stick you give other players who would want to join with fans like you lot rob


Out of form? We are more than half way through an entire season. He has played well in one game. A class player plays average when they are out of form and badly mayb once or twice in a season.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:50:13
Rodgers not experienced enough. Absolutely we are on dangerous ground. He was way out of his depth tonight. The players we have are mainly toothless and that coupled with a lack of skill and a lack of football brains means mediocrity of the worse kind. We have a board who are seriously playing the business game. This should not be happening to our great club. I know FSG saved us, but that means nothing unless we produce a winning club. They need to spend serious money on players instead of serious money on potential.


To be fair, FSG have spent money on playing staff and on managerial appointments, so the current malaise does not seem to have a financial cause.

Red Owl


Rodgers must stay! Rodgers must stay! Rodgers must stay!

If only to keep Utd fans entertained as we're loving the all new improved Liverpool.


I said that for afew years with purple nose whose laughing now. Tommy Irish Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:45:26
i really want to see brendan go out and sign some proven quality this summer

he tried for dzudzsak this window. how I wish we had gotten him

we have enough youth. we need players with proven abilty at a high level. like dries mertens aubameyang sahko dzudzsak. left back cover and dm cover, a new pacy physical centre back with good game reading skills

no more investing in youth please

tom1975


He tried for dzudzsak this window?

===============
Did he?

Roy {Ed002's Note - On loan, and got an immediate no.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:43:25
Aussie Derryred and Kidmillions all great supporter (go regular?) anyhow their happy with our performances and position. Maybe we can please them more by pushing for relegation next season-what does it take for some to see what's in front of their very eyes?Yet they shout the LOUDEST!


No DaveyBootle takes first prize


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:41:06
is kinda funny to see all these clueless people trying to slate BR for bringing on lucas. sure its not a offensive sub, but we weren't running the game either, our midfield was overrun and outplayed by a good zenit midfield, and we would have conceded more goals if he just would have let the midfield stay like it was. we were falling apart and he did a good sub to bring some stability into our team. if it was something wrong with lucas case, it was him not starting the match. if he isn't going to start away games vs a team like zenit, when should he start?
sry for bad english, ut i'm tired of people thinking they know football when they clearly dont.

keep the good work up eds


'by a good zenit midfield'. Zenit are not a good side.


The fact that an away goal might have give us a chance. But no let's defend. Because we are really good at that under BR


Lucas did n't start because there is an important game on Sunday
Lucas is still not 100% full fitness and needs more rest than the other players.
Roy


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:40:33
Heres were i'm at regarding Rodgers.

Rafa shouldn't of been sacked but that wasnt FSG was it. However maybe he shouldn't return. Remember fans did turn against him towards the end and compinsation was huge.

Roy shouldn't of been appointed and his compinsation massive.

Kenny shouldn't have been sacked and again compinsation paid out.

Brendan shouldn't of been appointed and he now needs to win the fans over by producing results. He young and learning and judge him at the end of the season because its expensive to sack.

Back your manager and team because confidence is all we need ( well that and a proper no nonsense defensive midfielder lol).

Physic red


Kenny gave up compensation


Out of all of the above only Raffa is good enough. The rest should never have been given the chance. We are meant to be Liverpool, at the moment we are becoming nothing


Compare Kenny's magerial record with RAFA

Only one winner and that's Kenny

Compare Rafa's playing Career with Kenny's well RAFA was not even in the same universe

Kenny was not given a chance


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:38:37
borini allen and coutinho to be fed bowls of scouse daily in a bid to build them up physically


Even Irn Bru wouldn't help that cause


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:35:45
we will and are a second rate team, manager has no clue and team not commited, allen, johnson, enrique, downing, problem is even if you replace these wasters, we start again, what happened to the odd one or two new additions each season, BR MUST GO. He ha slost it, keep playing allen and sterling, kids will come good, but not what we need right now,


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:27:45
Would love to hear what Ozone and Leo have to say about this, they both said that Rodgers was wrong and we would be a catastrophy this season and they both got slaughtered!

Greggers


Yeap bang on


Too right, leos the man, always spot on. He's the only guy that could give ed002 a run for his money haha {Ed002's Note - Do you not realise that replying to your own posts like this makes all of the Liverpool supporters look a laughing stock, not just you Leo. After all of your rubbish and abusive comments comments earlier I would nhave thought you would stay away.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:27:39
Ugh. I have been a Rodgers supporter and an FSG guy but I will admit it is becoming tougher and tougher to continue to defend. Same could be said for our team, Lol.

I was looking at transfer activity and could not help but look at what Laudrup has done at Swansea after Rodgers left. Sold Joe Allen to us 16. 7MM pounds. They turn that into

Michu - 2. 2MM
Chico - 2. 2MM
Pablo Hernandez - 6. 2MM
Sung-Yong Ki - 6. 1MM

I like Joe, even though he is struggling now, but to me everyone that tells FSG to stop trying to do Moneyball in British soccer is missing the point. What Swansea did was much more Moneyballish that what FSG have done. Moneyball was not just statistical analysis, it was using statistical analysis to identify undervalued players. By paying up for Joe, or Downing or Henderson or Carroll the team is by definition not following a moneyball concept. Selling Allen and buying Michu is the gold star for following that type of strategy.

By they way Moneyball the book is a fascinating read for anyone, even if you are not a baseball fan.

Worst part is we are paying up and still not getting strong enough players. I like Brendan and FSG, but can't help but wonder if we didn't get snookered by Swansea with the most important transfer of the summer, Rodgers for Laudrup. With what he has done at Swansea you wonder what Laudrup could have done with a budget of 20-30MM or more if you include the past two years.

Oh well I will continue to support no matter what and hope for the best. Let's hope our scouts can go out there and find the talent we need, and Brendan can cultivate the young players we do have.

Lee in Philly


I always said Laudrup was our man as soon as Rafa went as did one of the Eds. I think we made the wrong choice - but we are stuck with it now so we have to live with it. RED LENIN


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:23:57
Season over!
Progress, what progress?
5 games now, no wins, no bloody hope.
We are mediocre with a mediocre manager who is so out of his depth.

Derek


With mediocre support.

Andy K


It's truth man accept it. season is over


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:22:08
Let me summarise what I'm seeing on these pages right now:

Owners out and mega rich owners in to buy all the best players in the world!

Manager out after less than 1 season!

Allen out! after less than 1 season!

Skertel Out! who cares if he's just having a dip in form.

Half the rest of the squad out!

Demand success now now now, stamping of feet, or I'll sqeam and sqeam and sqeam!

What supporters we have. This was always going to take time and the first season was always going to be hard. We're getting glimses of what the team can do and what their working towards, but with so many young players you will get inconistency for a while. learn the words to YNWA.

Fitzy


Sigh. Your children are more educated than you.

Give me back my toys. You took them for no reason as usual.


I mnot screaming for anyone out

however signing all these young players was brendans choice

he didn't address the squad needs correctly in summer and overspent on players like allen and borini


People just want to see LFC challenging again and not losing to League 1 teams.

That never used to happen to LFC.


Well said! I totally agree

Ack17


Great post Fitzy but be prepared for the stick coming your way! I got slaughtered for a similar post after the WBA game. Don't back down though, don't let the haters win!
Cheers,
LS7.


Same old lad for seasons change the record


Nice post Fitzy, at least there's some of us with a bit of common sense and reality.

IMH


BR has lost half the fans and the other half are hanging on with hope and sarcasm.


So losing 2-0 to Zenit and West Brom and constantly losing in the manor we have been doing without the manager changing something or learning from his mistakes is good enough?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:19:50
We were much better last year. If Lucas wuld not got injuryed and suarez band for 9 games we wuld have finished top 4 no problem. Even with suarez band, Lucas injury, gerrard missing biginin of the seasen we won a cup and 1 final. BR out you are making lfc a laufingh stock


A laughing stock just like your spellings mate


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:19:40
We will probably have a good run over the next 6 games and everyone who is slating the team tonight will be on here talking about top 4 and asking if we have any chance of signing Cavani and Erickson. This team are not going to set the world alight this season or next but are showing improvement, so just accept it an be patient, there are many more ups and downs to come. In regards to fsg they have stabilized the club financially and continue to provide transfer funds, so why so much hatred aimed at them. Maybe they should have not bothered and let us fall into administration!

What does reallly annoy me is the amount of people slating players as useless and include Gerrard, the man who has led this team with all his heart and soul and is repaid by being called useless by a few *persons#. What fans you really are.

IMH


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:18:29
Can somebody please explain exactly what this philosophy is that BR is trying to impliment?

Because whatever it is, it's not working. Give it up as a bad job, go back to the drawing board and start again.

Stop recruiting these young kids with potential. We have enough potential within the squad that we need to invest in 3 or 4 world class players. They will probably cost a fair bit of money, however at least you know what you are going to get.

STARTING WITH HULK

Red Lee


Another "fan" with MOTD fever. Great


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:17:27
I'm sorry but FSG need to take some flak on this as well.

With no knowledge of football they decided to go for a manager with very little experience and no success.

I think given time BR will become a very good manager but this job was to soon for him.

Without owners with deep pockets and a manager with experience our club is going nowhere fast other than mid table to top six.

They should have stuck with KK as all his players are in the team.

In afraid I'm becoming resigned to the fact our past and recent history of winning a league cup won't be back for the foreseeable future.

:- (


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:16:14
Watched the game to tonight and last nights games, how I wish we still had rafa! He had faults and could be pigheaded! But better that than headless!
Redjay


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:15:50
I see all the doom and gloom merchants are out in force.
Stop bringing up Monday nights game and whatever other game you care to think of. Let's just look at tonights game, how poor were they in defence for a supposedly strong home side in Europe? Think back on the game they only got away with it because of our inability to finish on the night.
If they play like that defensively in the return leg we won't be so wasteful in front of our home support under the floodlights of Anfield, you mark my words.
It's only half time? and yes i've seen the Rafa brigade posting nonsense and quite forgetting that Rafa with his ludicrous team selection had us 3-0 down at half time in Istanbul. So give it a chance we've come back before and we'll do it again.

kidmillions


And he still won!

The Irish Rover


They look capable ofgetting a goal at anfield

meaning we would have to get four

its possible to beat them but unlikely

tom1975


And you blind leading blind is leading the Tunnel vision of non so blind crew again


Kidmillions, some sense in an ocean of idiocy. Thank you.

Andy K


N the return leg we won't be so wasteful in front of our home support under the floodlights of Anfield, you mark my words.

=================
Is this some kind of joke kid, or have you very short memory. Monday night (sorry had to mention it) it was in front of our home support under the floodlights of Anfield and we wasted 20 chances, Aston villa not too long ago, again Anfield. come on kid you have more sense than that
And glad you mentioned Istanbul. Many on here claim he won it with Houllier team, but tend to forget that houllier's team were 3 down at half time. it takes a good manager (very good manager) to left his team and get them to perform the way they did the last 75 minutes. (not my words. Gerrards)
And just for the records, I don't want anyone back, most of you don't deserve mangers like Rafa and Kenny who will give everything for the club.

Roy


14 Feb 2013 22:59:03
So we are going to take our chances at anfield? You mean like against West Brom?

Hounsred


Roy: You must know that the Atmsophere at Anfield on a European night will be a million miles away from the West Brom game or any other game at Anfield this season.
That Zenit side are really poor at the back. If we get a goal in the 1st half and then attacking the Kop in the 2nd.
I live in hope that it will happen.

kidmillions


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:15:40
Well I agree with most on here at the moment, Brenden appears not to be the man that can take our prestigious club forward. He is out of his depth, he does not know how to change the team when we are put on the back foot and just continues to change one like player for another which is not going to work. I think the Anfield hot seat was a step to soon for him.

I think we need a strong manager who has more experience and who understands that this club needs to be challenging for the title and cups. The owners need to pull their finger out and address the situation and take advice from ex players and not take another person who sounded good because he wrote a 150 page CV with no previous titles/cups to their name.

I do think Rodgers should now stay until the end of the season but as soon as season over a new manager should be installed and given time to work with the players, oh and with that bring big AC back as we have no fire power. He still has the power and unplayability he had when playing fir Newcastle but like any young player needs a manager to give him a bit of confidence.

just my 2 p worth.


Baz H


Carroll is rubbish mate.

Red PG


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:15:35
Im sad tonight.


Thank you for letting us know.


Did your girlfriend break up with you?

Lil Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:13:23
If one learns from losing games then them lfc players must be f****** rockect scientists by now. So when do you think they'll start playing real football?


Your post actually cheered me up.


That's hilarious. Love it!

Neilp


When BR learns to conquer Nuclear Fusion


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:11:56
This must have been BRs tactic in team selection and philosphy recently-feckin genius I think BR is - he should write a dossier on how genius it is and move to a bigger club.


1. False goalkeeper (sometimes so false he thinks he is a bad fullback)

2. False full back - so false he can't defend or tackle

3. False centre back - heads the false ball when defending corners

4. False centre back - not that false but the years have caught up

5. False full back - allowed to be real occasionally

6. False winger - just false

7. False striker - def real so can't be false as he is world class

8. Real midfielder (capt)- world class but can't do everything by himself

9. False striker - in fact doesn't play

10. False midfielder - so false he thinks he plays for the opposition

11. False midfielder - so false he disappears for 85 minutes of the game and the 5 spends passing the ball backwards.


False substitutes

False coaches

False manager

I think with these tactics and bulging CV BR should be the next manager of Real Madrid when Morhinio leaves in the summer.


I'm sure that other big clubs will be in for him though.

RedDoc


Sorry though Jonno & Henderson were ok actually


What a funny person.


Henderson can't Pass Water! A lot of the problem is over rated players who have one good game in 6. one swallow doesn't make a summer, some fans actually believe these players are good enough to play for LFC they're not good enough and we have too many of them!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:10:38
Hi, crowman
I posted earlier critical of GJ, this was a comment about his defending, at one nil down we are right in the tie, he totally falls asleep for the second goal and now we have a mountain to climb against a decent team. GJ a decent player but not a good defender.
Cheers crowman
Mo
P. s forgot to sign o/p


So it wasn't that we gave the ball away up the field, and that Stevie didn't track the runner he was marking. It was Jonno's fault for not closing him down.


Ball gets lost in midfield plenty of times does not mean your defenders fall asleep and let attackers walk in and score.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:10:15
cant blame the owners

50million invested this year

invested in one starting 11 player sturridge

and a lot of sqaud players

i d expect better for my 50million than sturridge coutnho allen borini and assaidi

i wouldnot be a very happy john henry at this moment

tom1975


Gordon Bennett, Coutino has played 12 minutes, and poor Assaidi does not seem to figure. So how can you judge these two players.


Tom1975, you do realise theya re able to play next year as well? And the year after, and based on the ages of these players, many years after that? Just saying.

Andy K


IF the little brazilian lad was on the pitch how would anyone know?


Of course I realise they can play next year

but they weren't the signings that we needed at the time

we signed kids

how can I judge assaidi. brendan doesn't rate him at all apparently
and coutinho is a young unproven player who may or may not be great. most likely he ll have flashes of brilliance amidst inconsistency much like the rest of the side

gerrard even said we needed experience in the last window. and blatantly he was right

i mnot bashing coutinho. he was just the wrong player to sign when we needed proven abilty in the final third. not another player designed for the future

tom1975


Andy k

point is whilst they can play for seasons to come. they aren't good enough for the here and now

we needed experience. proven abilty at a top level. we gambled on youth againand its a risky strategy

tom1975


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:05:53
Game, Leg and season over, I say this because we cannot keep a clean sheet to save our lives, and all it takes is for Zenit to score next week and we are out.

Have said all along 7-10 finish this season and so no Euro football next season which will no doubt have an impact on our transfer budget, and anyway who on earth is going to want to sign for Lfc.

Wants Suarez, Pepe, and Skytle go we have nothing much left apart from Sturridge and Courtinho and for me there is no other player in the entire squad including SG that I would keep, Enrique blows hot and cold and Lucas is not the player he was.

Need to get rid of the lot of them and start again, progress people say but I don't see it at all, we have nothing in terms of style, pattern, pass and move and ok Suarez could have scored 4 tonight but let's face facts we don't play with any imagination or fluency, we are a very average team with very average players.

alan50


And some VERY average fans.
And that's being kind.


Alan50 with a typically chirpy post. cheer up Alan


Won't miss Skrtel, never understood how he got player of the season last year, too prone to mistakes. Pepe has not been the same since the beachball incident. Should both be easily replaced. As for Luis, he will be difficult to replace, but, what we get for him should buy 2 decent players. Lucas is just on his way back from injury. Enrique I have never rated.


Probably like you above who criticise us who go


ALO you need a hug Gerrard has been exceptional once he stated playing in BR's bad system and you want to kick Gerrard for that well done lad.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:02:42
A bad result, again. I didn't expect or think we would win but hoping maybe to lose by the odd goal and maybe scoring an away goal. We aren't out of it but its going to be tough and at least you will hopefully hear a vocal crowd roaring the team on but we are not the Liverpool team that beat teams with ease under Rafa. Fsg are not blameless because they did hire Rodgers but they have also backed him to the sum of £60 million. We could be in real big trouble if Liverpool don't find some sort of positive way forward in the next 18 months. Yet I always remain the eternal optimist. Things csn change suddenly, especially when least expected, I hope.

The Irish Rover


 

 

14 Feb 2013 20:01:26
hey lfc fans.

i won't talk about tonight as most of you have already said enough.

but I just wanna ask any fan here or eds.

does it piss you off as much it does me when you see or hear teams like tottenham being spoken so highly of compared to us and how we are always dismissed.

it pains me to see the lack of quality we have and how far we are. doesn't piss any of you guys?

tom


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:58:42
time to ease the pain.
going to stick a tenner on the opposition for every game left this season. may as well. when let them hurt me when I can get a few points on the.
if we win the hurt is a Tenner. they lose I win.
thanks brendan for spending millions on quality when we needed quality.
first round on me. in the park after the swansea defeat.
marker


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:58:40
An out of form and jaded suarez is still our best outfield performer, God help us! I remember when we use to beat teams 4-0 and all teams feared us, now we rely on suarez an ageing stevie G, we seem to be going backwards not forwards.

My little cousin who is two wants to play for Liverpool I had told him to wait for a few years but I am thinking of sending him now, he'll probably be another 'star' of the future, soon the academy will have a higher age average than the first team, what's the average age now 3? Its ok if you take the best youngsters if the group, but its starting to look like we are playing them for the sake of it, and playing them beore there ready not only destroys their confidence but also makes them look bad.

To the clowns saying sell suarez and rebuild the team who do you wanna sign cavani, rooney, pato, neymar. If you want the best players you need champions league footie or top wages. We don't have either, so you sell suarez and end up wih 3 allens where do you go from there. Listen suarez is a great player who we are lucky to have and he loves the club so why sell him. Rant over.

In the summer we need about 2 or 3 quality players and a solid centre back, with experience! On the plus side Reina seems to be improving.

Lil Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:57:48
Liverpool has a team which potentially can get at least more than 0 points in two matches against WBA for instance. Something must be wrong with BR


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:55:56
Liverpool the new leeds.

Antrim Red


Said same for long time now


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:52:47
i cop crap everytime I wear my Liverpool shirt in public (in australia). but you know what I do it anyway cause I love the rubbish out of my team, I even feel abliged to disagree with most of the negetive posts on here. my misses brothers are chelsea and united supporters respectively.

u have one team and one shirt to support. just remember that cause I wonder how many supporters would stay true if we got relelgated.


ausiepool tristan


Us who go every week lad


I would support lfc if we were non league mate. just hard adjusting to the mediocrity and gutless cowcarp we are subjected two 3 out of 4 games. No doubt we will beat swansea 4. 0 and rodgers will be the new messiah again. But we all know where we are headed if he stays in the job. championship footie here we come.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:55:34
Come on Lads and Ladess'
being a real football supporter
is like a marriage,
in richness and poorness
in sickness and in health
till death do us part and all that
- I think we are going through
what would be described in marriage
as a bit of a rough patch.


Actually it would be easier to deal with a marriage, just get a divorce but being a die-hard Liverpool fan that isn't possible in football.


Bit ve rough patch?!?!?


Get a "Air tight pre-nup".


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:55:32
Lets just blame it on the cold and field this time. If it wasn't for that, it would of been a sure win for us. The cold and the field.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:51:25
Right, that's me off to support United lol. NEVER!
Come on guys, it ain't that bad! I do honestly think that if we lose to Swansea at the weekend Brendan should be sent packing. I just hope FSG have the galls to do it. Who next you might ask?! Jamie Carragher is my very very simple reply! He'd rip these players attitudes right off. Carra should come in now with Sami his assistant & Didi in as coach with Robbie Fowler. That for me is the dream team! They'd have 3 months to experiment with things then go full on next season. Come on FSG, make this happen.
From a fan of 25 years.
Am I crazy to think its worth a go?
We know we'd have them leave no stone unturned. They'd also get rid of this flimsy tiki taki mularkey & bring back some grit.


We can't afford to sack managers! Rodolfo borrel would be my pick though if they did


100% agree with you get some bite back in Jamie would be a great choice br hasn't a clue anymore that's 4 games on the trot we've had 2 put past us


Borrell jamie number 2


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:50:40
I will as always say it as it is. Rogers has been nothing short of shambolic this season. He is not up to the massive job that is Liverpool Football Club. He has no depth of experience and neither do either of his two right hand men. We are woefully short of first class and proven football managerial experience.

Dalglish and Steve Clarke did a remarkable job in their FIRST season. Liverpool were going down fast until Kenny arrived. Both Dalglish and Clarke provided our great club with vast and proven experience and managerial success at the very highest levels of this game. Neither of them were good with the press, and at times were crucified by the daily rags, especially the Mirror and the Mail.

A times, some of the reporting was bordering on frenetic and incredibly biased at times and true to form the sheep who classed themselves as supporters, jumped on the bandwagon and wanted Dalglish out.

Let me remind you what they achieved:

1) they stabilised our great club at a very critical stage in our history, we were almost finished
2) They took us to WEMBLEY 3 times
3) We beat Everton in the FA Cup semi final at Wembley
4) We lost the FA Cup final on the thickness of a goalkeepers glove when Carroll headed against Chelski
5) We won the League Cup final at Wembley.
6) We gained a European place in Europe for 2013.
7) Despite all the issues surrounding the club ( Evra etc )+ the sacking of Comolli mid season, + the strong rumours of Kennys imminent sacking, we still managed to finish 8th in the league

In my books we had a great season last year. Following huge and biased press reporting against Dalglish and LFC in general, the sheep jumped on the bandwagon and cried for Kennys head.

Now look were its got our great club.

I hope the Kenny haters hang their heads in shame. Rogers isn't 20% the manager Dalglish is. he's won everything a player could win, at the very highest level. he's also won the Premiership with two different clubs. kenny is no fool, he's just not a darling of the press. So what, as long as he's good at winning.

I never wanted Rogers in the first place, but was always prepared to support him, alas no longer i'm afraid.

Unfortunately Rogers and his managerial support team ( Rodolfo excluded!) are just not up to it. We need a PROVEN manager no matter who he is, and no matter wether the fans like or dislike him. The fans views are not important, the success of our great club is really all that matters.

Today could well be the turning point in the love affair between FSG and Rogers, they will be ruthless as they have already shown with Kenny.

Apologies for the downbeat post but enough is enough

Tel 1949


Im not quite there yet tel

but

i think anyone on here could have looked at the sqaud last summer and thought

dmcover needed
left back cover needed

kuyt bellamymaxi carroll leaving

goals needed

and then gone and signed cover for lb and dm

and signed a proven cf and proven goalscoring wide forward

he made some very poor decisions

borini, 11 million. 11 million. 5 at best. a striker who might be good enough after 10k bowls of scouse
one half seasons top flight seria a experience

allen 16 million,. yes sixteen million. one season s top flight experience

assaidi. hasn t been seen yet

considering we needed proven players to replace the internationals that wee leaving brendan made some woefuldecision in thefirst window

second window
finally sturridge who is good enough for the starting 11

and coutinho, aged 20 little seria a top flight experience, maybe also be a star after as many bowls of scouse as borini will have to eat

considering the needs of the football team at the timethese inexperienced players were signed I think brendan s transfer work is atrocious

tom1975

it is rather worrying that 95 percent of fans could asses the squad needs better and spend the cash better


Happy Birthday Brendan, and what a nice present getting the news about Coutinho! The signing of Sturridge ( brilliant ), Coutinho ( will be brilliant ) and Ince ( could be brilliant ) in this transfer window is a master stroke.

In a matter of weeks the whole atmosphere and dreams of us supporters has been improved.

Just to remind ourselves, Brendan can now pick from Suarez, Sturridge, Borini, Sterling, Suso, Coutinho, Henderson, Lucas, Gerard, Agger, Skrtl, Carra, Reina, Johnson, Enriquez, Shelvey, Wisdom, Downing. and there's more! that's 17 very good players along with a few world class players as well.

We are now getting a real squad together that can perform and are capable of matching most teams in the league.

Granted Brendan doesn't yet have the same optimisation of his squad as say ole red nose, but he hasn't been at it for 20 odd years like Fergie.

Well done Brendan you have assembled a real squad full of youth and ambition, who can only get stronger as they play together longer. OK so we have lost a few key games and we are not quite there yet, but hey, i'm loving it so far!

keep up the good work Eds, great site

ps i'm still more than happy to pay an annual fee to be a member of this great site if you ever decide to make it members only!

Tel 1949

You talk some rubbish TEl and you change your mind more than the wind, why not shut up and stop boring the life out of all of us. Heres a previous post fae a while ago, and there's plenty more there loving BR when he's doing good and then wanting him out. Make your mind up woman.

Scottybhoy 1888


Didn't want Dalglish in; Didn't want Rodgers either.

The owners want the cheapest they can get. And go o and hire them.

Looking back, I can agree with everything you said.

Who would I rather have in charge now?

Dalglish; by a long shot. I almost feel bad now, because I didn't support him and yet he won us a cup, took us to a final, but bought horribly.

Now we've got a manager who buys terribly and can't do the other things.

Kenny rought us a decent backroom staff, and look at what Brendan brought with him; Mike Marh and whatever you call his face?

SR


Scottyboy, I say it as I see it, i'm a human being and yes, I type how I feel at times. I have really tried to be upbeat about Rogers but its now getting beyond a joke. The teams work ethic and general moral have disintegrated. Something is seriously wrong at the moment, wether you agree or not, there's no fight left in the team and concentration dissapears half way through the second half.

I don't know what's wrong with the team, we have some great players and loads of potential, and I will always support our great club, and I have tried to post as many positive messages as I can, but Rogers must carry the can i'm afraid. He has made some poor decisions recently, eg the Oldham game. to blame the young lads for the defeat was shambolic, he picked the team!

Tel 1949


Lol, Tel 1949

Have you ever heard the term 'fickle fan'? You never made sense when you used to come on the Unitd site either!

Gav


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:45:25
I just want thank John W. Henry, Tom Werner, Jeffrey Vinik, Ian Ayre, David Ginsberg, Philip Nash, Michael Gordon, and Brendan Rodgers for all that they have done and giving us another year of exciting football. We're taking the Premier League by storm. Championship football here we come! Crap we lost to Oldham already, we're screwed.


100% correct


The over the top pessimism today is getting a bit much but this one was actually pretty funny.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:43:18
reina (hot and cold), johnson very good, enrique not good enough, carragher all heart too old, skrtle good sub, gerrard plays when he wants to, lucas our best option in that position (a position we don't need by the way) allen just goes backwards, downing and henderson should be gone at the end of the season, stirling been reading too much about himself a good sub suarez tries too hard at times but needs someone with him, brenden rodgers got to get it sorted sooner rather than later otherwise step in mr mourhino,


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:43:02
I would back Rodgers and say he is the man to bring us forward, but what's the point? Fans not willing to wait and I'm just going to get abuse for saying it. But hey ho,
IN BRENDAN WE TRUST YNWA!
Cheers,
LS7.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:35:04
Gotta agree with you chris tamworth I noticed a lot of dropped heads and shoulders tonight, no encouragement from br no strategy, no substitutions hope you were watching fsg time to spend starting with an experienced manager. tik tak no way we gave the ball away. reina did damn well under the cicumstances. enrique battled away manfully. carra resolute. johnson eventually gave up no one covering him (mr allen) skertl shocking kamikaze mentality. allen awful. gerrard needs a rest. sterling a youthful talent who needs lots of time but tnite he was awful. downing tried then just gave up unlike enrique who battled on with no support from sterling. saurez tried hard, missed opportunities but is forgiven for carrying us the whole season. today I really started to question why I put myself thru watching them anymore. br what have you got to say today I am tired of your rhetoric, can we turn it around yes but somehow I feel the players will not want to I think they are done with br and fsg you need rethink stevie g said buy some experienced players or waste another 40 mill by that time you will realise the shambles you created and will cost you more. thank goodness the inter toto cup is gone otherwise we would be aiming at that. S ee why carra retired he has realised that this is a shambles clear signal to us allcomments plse.


I feel the same way, and I think we are not alone, as I posted earlier even Carroll would have been a plan B, but what do I know? I am only a fan for over 50 years! and some person made a snide comment on that!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:40:29
BR. even Souness has a better record than you, and you have a better team than him.
Thanks for tryin but you are out of your depth. You have not got the experience to guide a club like LFC.
FSG. learn from your mistakes and get the calibre of manager our club deserves.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:39:56
Missed a load of chances and conceded 2 goals in the final quarter. Does this look familiar, nothing learned since monday night then
fforestfach red


Heap every game turning into Groundhog day


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:38:43
we as a cub are in utter ruins. small stadium when compared to others we think we should be judged by. too many average players. and a below average manager.

Roy got sacked for less.
fenway get the rodgers out then get the cash out if not get out of our club. it is to big for you and brendan.
stick with your rounders and car racing state side.
marker


Why blamethe owners

they have invested 50million this season

which has been very poorly spentconsidering the bargains other clubs are getting

tom1975


That's how it is mate v sad


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:37:58
How hard to swallow was that? Skirtel backing away from Hulk leaving him space to shoot, Johnson falling asleep!
Will I live long enough to see Sterling dribble past a defender? is Gerrard burnt out? is Allen BR's illegitimate son? is Suarez off form? tune in next week for another defeat and nightmare.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:35:31
Oh well. season over. I think we are safe from the drop, I hope. Mid table rubbish.
Brendan. team going backwards. Worst than last year.
Please don't reply with nonsence you BR fans. What has he done? Please don't make me laugh by saying 'we pass the ball better'. He is so out of his depth at LFC. How he got the job I will never know. well I do know. he was cheap.
Such a shame to see my club in the state it is. We are definatly no longer any kind of threat or force in the premier league and we won't be in Europe for a long time to come.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:34:29
i love you eds.

just want you to know that. I feel sorry for you at the moment having to read some of these posts.

aussiepool tristan


Should change your name to willu be my mates eds.

football is about opinions.
marker


Stay in Aus fella everything must seem other way around downunder


Great posts

EDLOVER


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:00:33
First time I'm saying this as I've only truly realised it tonight - get Rodgers out before it's too late.

He's in way over his head, it's clear to see he cannot handle being Liverpool manager.

He is not the only one to blame however, the players just aren't pulling their weight either. We need a strong manager who will set things straight from day one - Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, van Gaal etc.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:00:30
Yet AGAIN dominate large periods (asianRed be delighted with that stat) No problem for 70 odd minutes. Then just capitulate! KEEPS Happening Brendan. As Season Ticket holder I don't want excuses, -I Want Explanation WHY? IT'S EVERY WEEK!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:00:24
Rodgers will be gone soon, Allen should take up a brick laying apprenticeship soon because he'll be out of football not before long if he can't take his finger out of his ass.

Plymouth Red.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:59:20
I Just feel sorry for the reds that traveled to zenit!
Harls99


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:59:15
Poor team poor manager it is clear to see he doesn't have the experience to manage our club, slate Benitez all you want but he got us fighting again quality signings he made Alonso macharano Torres arbeloa Agger Kuyt all under 20m some under 10m, when you bring in a manager from a low team they fail it's simple as that. Look how meny English players we have now? How meny of Benitez signings were English? Hardly any!

I believe FSG has bort Rodgers in because he is used to small club mentality with low money an low wages. An they know any top quality manager would have laughed at them!


Can I vote this the worst post of the day?
derryred


I agree, derryred, your post is definitely the worst of the day.

redmersey


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:59:09
Out of the mickey mouse cup and we are the mickey mouse team of Europe. Better out than being humiliated I say. BR is out of his depth. Fine, he doesn't have quality players bar an ageing Gerrard and an erratic Suarez but he has no clue as to how to prepare a team tactically and physically for the modern game. BR has to make way for a top manager but I guess we're stuck with him for till his contract runs out. What a mess; what a joke we've become; and worst of all; we're centuries behind the Mancs. What a mistake to sack KK. At least we had someone who reminded us of the glory years. LFC are now history like Leeds!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:33:09
At least we can always count on Suarez for getting a free kick from nothing. And the Oscar goes to.


My money is on Gareth Bale or Ashley Young.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:33:04
Rodgers is out of his depth, he seems unable to inspire the players, or unable to change things on the pitch when things are going wrong, I don't like to see us chopping and changing managers all the time, but surely, how much more of this can fsg and the fans tolerate, it's a shambles
Jonny 71


Wise up. Do you really think that when players grace the Liverpool Emblem that they should need motivating? I think that you need to pull the finger out, we saw suarez miss 4 key chances. We then saw a belter from Hulk and a lapse 3 minutes later. It wasn't as much BR's fault as people here are making out.
derryred


Players should fear younger lashing and don't it seems under Rogers-hence motivation!


Well derryred, they need something, no passion, no drive, no idea, top managers motivate, and I'm afraid ours does nothing but cover his arse with lame excuses after another abysmal performance, wise up, after watching the last two games, I think you need a reality check
Jonny 71


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:32:22
At least we won trophies with king kenny. Now we have just gotten worse and worse and we have no passion. Honestly I feel sick the way the club is going under rodgers.

Antrim Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:31:58
Would love to know why people have faith that rodgers can turn us into a force again. what has he actually done that deserves our faith his signings with the exception of sturridge have been poor and ineffectual his tactics have cost us a lot of soft goals not to mention our shocking league position in the league and being knocked out of the f. a cup off oldham and shown up in the capital cup at home off swansea. Its obvious rodgers is way out of his depth at our club. I do believe daglish deserves atleast abit of the blame the amount of money wasted is embarrassing there is only suarez who is good enough although henderson and downing are playing abit better than they did last season they are mid-table players at best.

NEred


He is our manager. That is enough for me. You should wise up and support the team and the manager.
derryred


If you went every week Derryred you may then talk sense


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:31:13
when we was betten and out of carling cup I post that we can't win over zenit. thansk to the people whoever abuse me. now that turn back to you all. when Liverpool appoint BR I have a post and say that BR is a Big mistake of Liverpool. accept it now or you will accept it in end of the season. 4 month to go. Luis Van Gaal was the right choice that time.

r-r


Yep I wish we had van Gaal.

Antrim Red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:30:02
who said we are not consistent, we concede two goals every game thts consistent in my book


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:29:52
If Rodgers gets sacked do any of you eds included think they may give Borrell a chance?

I'd love to see him given a chance possibly bring Segura back as his #2?

Plymouth Red.


Borrell's tactics are practically the same as Rodgers. He also has less experience. Two of the biggest bricks getting hurled at Rodgers at the minute.
derryred


Borrell in my opinion would do wonders for us he deserves his chance.

Get him and Segura in charge, get Pako Ayesteran a d Xavi Valero back I've had enough of this rubbish now.

Plymouth Red.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:29:08
I think the problem is that the management team are probably focusing on the Suarez Sturridge partnership, and have forgot to utilize the others. Suarez was quiet deserted today.

Piledriver


Deserted? He had 4 clear cut very decent chances and had 0 of them on target!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:27:34
I've followed Liverpool for 20 years and I've never seen a teams body language like that after one goal. We conceded and then we were like oh well we've lost again only one bothered was carragher. Saurez would of had a hat full if he hadnt of wanted to scored the cheeky goal all the time the way Rodgers plays it's all about decision making and to many of our players wants that extra touch which you can't have in this system and which isn't needed at that standard anyway players want to be the next Steven gerrard to many live in his shadow and want to replace him instead of being their own person. Sterling was none existent for the 75 mins he was on Joe Allen is probably having them worst slump in form he's ever had and was well and truely put in his place today felt sorry for gerrard didn't half have to graft bcoz of him Lucas when he came on gave hulk to much respect. 1st tackle on saurez summed it up boom nailed he went down moaning their team all high 5'd.

I'm sorry to say but the buck stops with the manager and that's final attitude, tactics, team selection ect was all wrong I hate it when people say we should do this and that but if I was ayre or Werner ect I'd be on the phone to mourinho in the morning sorting it out for next season pay him what he wants we can't keep losing to west brom, Oldham we're LFC for f***s sake I know no teams have a god given right to be successful it's hard work but as far as I'm concerned the graft isn't being done at the moment. Mourinho in carragher as assistant.

Sorry for the rant but held it in long enough

Toad


Mouriniho has said in interviews he would never want to manage LFC when he was asked why he Replied. I have my reasons and lfc know why

face it were no longer a top club and it is not our god given right to be successful! other teams are not just going to move out of the way of us anymore! I can honestly say we will not win the league in the next 10 Yrs


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:26:45
Bring on next season.
AmRed

____________________________

Bring on Roberto Martinez and relegation battle, lol, FSG OUT


AJ


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:26:38
This progession lark is awesome!. I can fully understand and see why rafa and kenny had to go.
Ferguson must be absolutley worried about us now.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:26:09
Liverpool and the word defence just don't go together as we simply don't have one, conceding two goals a game since xmas is just not good enough and this dicking about with the ball at the back is so frustrating especially when carragher is playing be cause he is just so slow to move the ball on it allows the other team to push up and pressure us, just not good enough by a long way.


As soon as Carra got his place back and the carra brigade got going again, I thought oh well we have always got next year to think about.


Good job Carras been here with form and displays of others


So you disagree that carragher is as slow as a wet week to pass the ball that he doesn't have to stop it to pass it or tht he doesn't ping the ball at people wit men on them, let's be honest please he started in midfield an couldn't pass the ball so was moved to defence where he was a superb defender in his day but his day is gone and being sentimental doesn't help the club its what is holding us back in my opinion


Poster above yea Carra is finished, agree. But with form of rest he's come back in and held it together. You obviously don't know that because you don't go to games. Good job we've had in for this spell. We ALL know he's not the future-Mr. obvious!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:20:52
Sterlings too young yet, he needs a bit more time, he should only come at Anfield when were in the ascendency.
Downing played ok but again, he's not going to get you a goal, when the ball comes into box from the left, he's stuck out on the right instead of busting a gut to get to the back post to support Suarez a bit more.
The midfield 3 Allen, Henderson and Gerrard were not so good.
Enrique, Johnson, Reina, Carra and Skyrtel were good.
Problem is 2-0 they'll sit behind the ball (our worst nightmare) at Anfield but having said that, there not the best side you've ever seen so we've still got a chance.

kidmillions


14 Feb 2013 19:52:55
i think hendreson was not that bad today. glen johnson had a good game attacking wise but again I think he was caught ball watching when we conceded our second goal.

Ayush


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:25:06
. sigh. successfully snatched another defeat from the jaws of victory.

1) Lucas should have started. After Monday's performance, the back 4 needed better protection. Who plays an European league away game without a strong holding player? Who?
2) Somebody needs to remind Johnson that he's on the pitch to defend first and attack, second.
3) We have no creative midfield/midfielder and it shows. Stevie G passing from our third of the pitch to their third is the extent of the creativity.
4) Borini should have started instead of Sterling. Sterling dribbled past no one and just kept running straight into people.

We weren't helped by the pitch all. But they were playing on it too. Another off night for Suarez. It happens. MOTM performance by Reina until the 70th minute. We could have won it. ra1969


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:21:03
on another day we win, that's football.

u can't slate rogers or the team, how many impossible goals has suarez scored, so ease up I think.

hulks goal was incredible.

aussiepool tristan


 

 

14 feb 2013 19:17:58
brendan just stands there. players look half asleep, start of both half's (and that's in most games)-must be brendans irish brouge. then he buys lightweights like allen. non got any balls. no leaders. small fancy dans, no fight. their good if people stand off them-look great. hence jeckyll and hyde results. those who get into us, attack down middle with strength and pace-do us. we seldom man mark correctly. we get shrugged off ball easily. we need a haman, dictate pace, no panic, keeps procession, strong. we can't do ugly things like tracking back. overplay uptop-when we should just hit it!when we conceded at back, we then s it ourselves and panic! usually conceding another very quickly. same pattern every fookin week! so rogers buys another who isn't known for that type've work in coutiniho. now unlike a lot on here i go every week, and there the facts you like it or not! i'm starting to get sickle brendans excuses, like after west brom game. and although not impossible back at anfield is our defence really gona keep them out, and who is gona help suarez score uptop?, taking onus off him?


We had the most dangerous player in Suarez but no goal threat from any others apart from maybe Gerrard.
They had potential threats from 4 or 5 attacking players all capable of nicking a goal and that's the way it went.
We've got too many workers, water carriers and not enough cut and thrust.
Hard work and endeavour will never be a match for skill on a football feild.
There's no substitute for skill.
You can find loads of hard workers 100 per centers in the Liverpool sunday league.

kidmillions


What did you want him to do run onto the pitch and score a hat-trick?
derryred


Derry red defensive over fellow Irishman-I expect passion lad. That I give at every games-ok with you?! and Kidmillions Macherano, Brian Hall, Houghton, Haman, all to an extent water carriers but important stopped opposition with reading of game and acumen and all worked hard. You see it's a blend lad that's why a team game. Those players allow Skillfull yo flourish. Surprised you didn't know that as you profess to be all knowing


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:17:45
Dalglish:Two Cup finals. One won. Eighth in league.
Rodgers:Nothing.
Dalglish should never have been sacked. Simple.


So so true.

Antrim Red


Well that's progession for you


Agree.
BR not experienced enough to guide LFC.


14 feb 2013 19:58:29
we should have got van gaal


14 Feb 2013 20:00:28
then rafa was better than all the three.
y did we sack?. coz. he finished 7th?
or he payed higher wages to elzhar, degan and aquaman?


Well the majority of, well; the ed's seem to prefer persons. On this site called for him to get sacked and got their wish. The least they could do was to support the next man in for at least a season, but no. What progress can be made sacking a coach every season?
derryred {Ed002's Note - They are transient members of the staff and nothing more. I have explained this repeatedly but most of the posters can't seem to grasp that - in the same way they cannot grasp the need to support the owners, the manager and the players. Rememeber the owners have already been driven from attending games by these vegetables, no doubt they will be back defacing the stadium again. Maybe the owners will give them what they want with a sale or floation to institutional owners. Maybe Kenny Huang will be back to save the club?}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:17:32
Dont be so quick to write off the guru brendon, he's not done yet and I still trust in him, he will be the best manager in the world soon, he's done a bang up job apart from a few losses but he can't get it right all the time in his first spell here.
Make no mistake that zenit are a worldclass team, not like we were beat my minnows and this competition is probably the hardest in the world and has better teams than champions league so I take no shame, credit to the lads for giving there all tonight and looks like a certain pep is back to best.
even van persi missed chance he shoulda scored last night so we will let suarez off the hook

IN BRENDON WE TRUST YNWA


No in brendan you trust


So BR will be 'the best manager in the world soon'? are you for real?
All we are looking for is a competent manager who can give us the belief that we are on the up. and i'm not feelin it right now!

sivy1001


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:17:14
Ok enough is enough for me, I think BR is clueless, I gave him the benefit but how can he put that team out.

Why why why can't he see that Johnson, Skyrtle and Agger (yes I know he didn't play tonight) are not defenders in the true sense of the word.

Skyrtle runs backwards when the forward runs at him, he didn't attempt to close HUlk down for the first goal.

He wasnt to great on the second but Johnson looks like he's on his holidays in defence, always caught out of position and at fault for second goal.

Is BR blind or what, does he not look at the tapes of games? He musnt do as its mistake after mistake with the 3 amigos i'm afraid.

Now before you all start hitting your disagree buttons, Johnson and Agger should start in midfield for me, Skyrtle should just be got rid of full stop as he's a liability, but the other two can contribute but not as defenders i'm afraid.

I hope John henry and Werner look at this site as they will know most of the supporters are not happy bunnies i'm afraid with the current goings on. I got so fecked off I turned off as it was embarrasing to watch, mistake after mistake after mistake and he still plays the clowns.

Scouse Red


Then please explain to me what 4 players you would have played in the back 4?


Who else does he play there?
derryred


I don't think we could do any worse if we put the muppets in the back 4 to be honest.

And any true manager worth his salt would know after a few games these guys were poor at what their supposed to do and TRY and resolve it before now.

dont you agree?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:16:51
At least Rodgers doesn't have to rewrite his post game speech. Same story every time. We are always unfortunate.


He´s started to sound like KD, he always said we´re unlucky.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:16:18
Where are all the "In Brendan We Trust" fans tonight?

Stolen phrase from a truly great manager, and awarded to a Championship manager.

Fact is Brendan INHERITED a team and took them to the Premiership.

Rafa "Inherited" a team and won the Champions League and had us there competing year after year.

Bring on the decline.

Just wish we had owners willing to invest in the best.

SR (StrabaneRed)


Star bane fella go and have a word with the Derry Red clown on here-put him right he's deluded


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:15:21
Lets see last season two finals one cup not great in the league king kenny gets sacked. New manager no cups no finals shocking in the league we are no better off in fact we are worse what has brendan done for us nothing


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:13:35
Did I hear that right?

Rodgers said it was "a near perfect away performance" and we "looked defensively solid".

He's lost it.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:13:14
Jay Spearing or Joe Allen?

Marc


Jay spearing. Joe Allen is the worst midfielder in the English leagues total crap


14 Feb 2013 19:36:51
At least jay can tackle and isn't scared of tackling people bigger than him.


Sorry but jay jay for me


To be next captain


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:13:07
that is two goals conceded in the last four games within short spaces of time.
cheers, felmil GH.


14 Feb 2013 19:42:28
no it isnt. man city scored in 2 seperate halves?

i understand your upset but lies make jesus cry.

aussiepool tristan


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:12:28
How Ironic.
Chelsea are trying to get rid of a manager. inspite of being in Top3.
Same as Manchini. who won the fa cup and PL title last year.

and we are backing a manager. who doesn't have a clue on what to buy and how form a team.

and more stats. if you look at the money spend in last 2-3 years. we surprass chelsea and city.
But they are in Top4. and we are lying in 10th.

still people want to support and back? {Ed002's Note - Chelsea are not trying to get rid of their manager - they have a manager who has a contract that runs out in June.}


Oh ed give it a rest mate chelski are the lords of getting rid of managers {Ed002's Note - What sort of idiot are you? try reading the post.}


You have no clue, go home.


14 Feb 2013 21:25:30
yeah seems he don't have any clue.
cant blame. he is coming back from russia. after the match


Chelsea had all the managers out there and now no one want to go there bring back ranieri start all over again


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:12:08
The knowledge of FSG regarding football is mediocre. So their decisions are mediocre. If "we accept what they do" we accept mediocrity.

AJ {Ed002's Note - It is not the owner's fault that the team lost tonight. Even the world's most fickle bloody fans should know that.}


Ain't as good as mediocre


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:11:09
I have defended Joe Allen countless times and now I'm not going to bother. I have given him a fair chance the guy is a complete Liability! Constantly gets knocked off the ball with ease, gives the ball away, Made I think 1 attacking run, Can't decide weather to go long or short and then gets caught out. Plays backwards or side to side never looks forward. Terrible signing and yet another massive hit money wise.

Marc


Allen didn't play well but your ignoring the fact that neither did Henderson and Gerrard.

kidmillions


Thank god you have realised how bad he actually is.

Antrim Red


14 Feb 2013 19:53:58
What does my head in when rodgers bought allen he said we would see another 45% of what joe allen can do further up the field so why doesn't he play him there?

REINA:-Brilliant keeper didn't put a foot wrong
JOHNSON:- I will never like johnson as a defender before the ball came in for there second goal he was looking at the player over on the left the ball got wiped in and he jus watched it bad bad defending.
SKRTEL:- Should of pressed hulk and didn't and we paid for poor defending bt part from that not much put wrong.
CARRAGHER:-Wishing he was 24 with all his experience love carragher wears his heart on his sleeve.
ENRIQUE:-A part from allowing the fella to cross the ball for the second goal very strong and comfortable on the ball.
DOWNING:-Didnt really do much but then again didn't do much wrong.
GERRARD:- Sadly doesn't have the same impact in midfield bt still a quality midfielder.
ALLEN: No mascherano put it that way and is a liability when drop deep and playing passes without lookin.
STERLING:-Not going to critise him cause he still learning his trade.
HENDERSON:- Fantastic engine on the lad doesn't stop running chasing everything bt didn't look as sharp.
SUAREZ:-Game should of been over in the first half but can't rely on him all the time.

Very disappointed Liverpool fan : (


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:11:00
I just love the way rodgers is running out of excuses. he has been lying on squad depth ever since, now january has come and gone. We are still poor, obviously we are out of europe right now. and all the cups. ha how do all you kenny haters feel right now. our season is already over in february.
The rodgers bandwagon let's hear the excuses. 60m on players and you would still think its our reserves playing


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:10:43
Maybe we'ld be better off playing the under 21's, a least they win games.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:10:32
i expected that loss, zenit are a good club and we are a ok club in bad form, I predict another loss to swansea 1-0 or 2-1, I don't think we are playing well, we are 12 points away from 4th place
ali g


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:10:15
Lucas for Sterling? Was there a need to stop the bleeding or a mistake if an away goal was to be chased?


Our midfield looked lost, should have played lucas much earlier, allen hasn't played good in many many months


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:08:38
Like I said before, no changes from Brendan again. This is getting ridiculously frustrating and I am extremely angry at the moment. Where are the f****** subs? Suarez woeful and so were the rest.

MadRed32


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:07:17
it was amazing at the number of time Liverpool hoof the ball towards the little suarez. I was saying to myself thanks god caroll was not playing, everyone would have said that because of caroll Liverpool plays hoof ball.
no one in the box, No crosses, how can LFC score goals?
Jonhnson looks uninterested.
If BR have guts he should sell Allen, if not he should recall spearing and caroll and give them a chance as well.
Mark my words he will lose his job if he continues to trust mediocre players.
BR has no faith in Borini, that's why lucas entered when LFC was trailling by two goals.
In this match the main culprit was suarez. he should have buried at least one or two of all chances he got. maybe the match would have been different. Again too greedy, one day a Liverpool player will punch him in his face, he took the ball off downing when downing had almost past and was going to shoot.

No one is greater than Liverpool
Budashow


Clueless!

kidmillions


Suarez was right to shot, Downing can't complain about that, Suarez was much better positioned.

When we play one player in central attack this can happen.


Allen is woeful can't believe those who defend him. I find Brendans lack've faith in Borini strange given how much HE wanted him!


14 Feb 2013 21:16:53
So Suarez took the ball off Downing. !
And he also deserves a 'punch in the face'!
I will say one thing. reading your post was a laugh out loud moment for me. thanks muchly.

sivy1001


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:07:17
Great performance tonight.

Okay, we didn't play well but then again we haven't played a competitive game since December.

So winning 2-0 is a great result.

That is something Zenit fans will be saying right now.

Just goes to show how far we have fallen as a club.

I make this point ALL the time. You get what you pay for.

Since our new owners have come in they've employed the managers that will cost them the cheapest amount of money; yet what they don't know is that they'll cost a great amount of damage to our stature.

They obviously don't care about stature. They care about one thing and one thing only, and it doesn't need spelling out.

Moneyball anyone?

Ah, ok so that was just a movie.

Good Luck to you Suarez at your new club! Let's hope you make your owners a nice slice of pie.

SR (AKA StrabaneRed)


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:06:48
2 goals conceded AGAIN

Enough said!!


Paisleys Slippers


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:05:42
Well we sure do have some work to do at Anfield. that was really disappointing. I don't see how we can blame Rodgers for the team selection, Sturridge would have been great but unfortunately he is cup tied :-/. I don't understand why Borini wasn't played up front with Suarez? He plays much better with a strike partner. Performances like this make me think we are not ready for the CL. We have the quality in the squad but not the mentality of a CL side. If we go a goal down we fall to pieces and lose all confidence. Misplaced passes, half assed shots way over the bar. Rodgers has some work to do. desperately don't want to go out of the competition, it's the last cup we have a chance of winning


No we don't have the quality in out team to cmpete in the cl, sry.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:05:29
Can't wait for the BR post match drivel :-) he's like a broken record.

Well we're nearly out of all competitions now and that is called progress :-)

Can't wait for next season when we start without Suarez and Reina who leave due to the lack of ambition of the owners. We can look forward to Boroni


How is it the owners faults that the players aren't intrested?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:05:14
Well boys I think it's official, we are totally totally sh**e. Everton have now over taken us as the best team on Merseyside, this is a sad day of realisation for me. From watching us play from 1977 onwards right through the glory years, to the nineties when we really struggled up until when Benitez saved us and now I'm watching this. Hands down THE most gutless, cowardly and sloppy Liverpool team I've ever had the misfortune to watch. Those of you who are true fans will understand the sheer frustration I'm feeling right now, I've heard all of the excuses like 'transition' and 'young team' but the bottom line is we are truly terrible. There are no more excuses now, plenty of money has been spent over the years but we've invested poorly and for the first time I'm finding my faith in the manager severely shaken, how can he not see what we see? In tonight's game we had players not closing down at all which in turn gave them confidence and what happens next? We're over run and the games lost because we are then on the back foot against a confident team. There are so many things wrong with this side it's untrue. I'm beginning to to think that Rodgers is over thinking the game, it's not that complicated is it? If a man united players plays poorly what happens? Fergie bo**ocks them and drops them and the next time they play they're too scared to play poorly. Very very weak management from us guys.


Agree and thank god we've not got any games against Tramere Rovers.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:04:38
i wish we had avb


He gets £4 million a year


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:04:29
Can we please just put our chances away in the first half and make the second half more simple and straight forward.
Even if we scored half or a quarter of the decent chances we Create we would be going in with a cussion.

Suarez has a decent tally for the season so far but I bet he has cost us as many lost points by not scoring as he has gained us by scoring.
In the early stages of the season he should have scored a dozen goals with his eyes shut.
He may not be an out and out goal scorer but he is a highly paid international player yet some of his misses would look at home on any Sunday morning park. If the truth be known his isn't anywhere near consistent enough. More a Luke Garcia then a micheal Owen.
If we can cash in and make a tidy profit on him it would be worth it to get another consistent goal scorer to play with sturidge.
Sadly unless Gerrard moves to Manchester I fear his champions league career is over. He has to be gutted knowing his last couple of seasons are going to be spent out of the champions league be because Suarez could not hit a barn door on his off days which are far to frequent for a club like Liverpool FC.


Ask Michael Owen to score a goal when NOT ONE other midfielder is there to provide him an assist! Suarez has single handedly carried us this season, so DO NOT try and compare him with the likes of God, Torres, Owen, Heskey or Carroll! He is not that kind of a player. And well I dunno how you can compare Apples and Cheese the way you did!

sama491


Suarez is only world class player in our team these days, so how is it his fault that we don't getting the cl?


14 Feb 2013 21:11:23
Suarez is at fault because he is the one missing the chances. I Don't see how you can be world class if your unable to hit a target that's 24 metres square from 12 yards.
He is good and can not be held totally responsible for every thing but he is the one missing the chance. He could and should have 37 goals this season not 17.

Rush, fowler, Owen, Torres, shearer, liniker, Henry, cole, wright, van persi Rooney all players who where they to have found themselves with the chances Suarez has this season would have scored so many more goals and secured their team so many more points and kept their team challenging for the top 4 if not the title.
While Brendan Rodgers has tinkered with the side in the cups and should take the blame for our poor cup performances, Suarez has failed to take chances and we have failed to get wins in so many games we should have and now face a very tricky end of the season.
if sturidge doesn't come back in and take some of the chances we are creating then we could finish in a worst position then last season.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:03:55
hi eds what is the reason to buy players not needed, Borini and Assaidi. I like BR but I hate to say he is clueless about the players he wants.
cheers, felmil GH. {Ed002's Note - It is all to do with depth of squad.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:03:23
Its the god damn players! not good enough, you can't get blood out of a stone! Harls99


Yea and last and this regime bought them


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:03:15
Suarez had a mare. The pitch was awful. They hit us with two sucker punches. There are the statements for the Brendan apologists. Now for my opinion: taxi for Rodgers.
Jph


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:01:42
Sorry, I've tried to remain positive and the yahoo club will probably say well at least were still in the tie but seriously, its still another LOSS!
once again he will state we were unlucky, that we were awesome and he was proud of the players,
Look we watch the game too fella!, Sorry but whatever spin you put on it every week its still another loss, end of.
41 games in charge and we barely win any games, nothing against the top sides at all and now nothing to play for for the rest of the season, so not impressed and if anyone wants to be an advocate of pretty passing football watch the likes of Real madrid last night everyone comfortable on the ball and happy to play it around without looking like they were going to panic everytime they got it back, Sorry Mr Rodgers but to play a particular system or way you need the particular tools, old dogs. new tricks. dosnt work, If you wanted to play this way you could have at least looked to sign players from abroad who are used to playing it and not try to convert players who have played a particular way all their lives into something they're not comfortable with. When it works it looks good but its definitely not winning us many games.

Shanklys old slippers


 

 

14 Feb 2013 19:01:32
In the last couple of games the amount of missed chances plus the amount of defensive errors plus the number of passes gone astray is embarrassing. Time for the namby pamby "the players did well" and "the effort was there" to turn in to some good old fashioned a** kicking!
Don't care if people think I'm being negative as of course I will support through thick and thin and keep going to games but utter tripe to watch at the moment!
Rush was ace


Point I KEEP making is I CAN'T see Rogers giving them ass kicking they deserve. He seems more philosophical type.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:57:17
Eds. what's your take on the game? {Ed002's Note - 2-0.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:58:35
suarez is badly out of form and joe allen is in good form but still rubbish


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:58:12
Beaten by a better team nothing more. Suarez's finishing was atroshase, dead ball deliveries still poor and Allen showing no sign if improvement. We haven't had a classic at Anfield in a while, hopefully this could be it. Still assured Rodgers is the man for the job! (no sarcasm)

RedSpud


Not as atrocious as your attempt at spelling.


Oh my god, fans on here are worse than geordies!

Waro


I have to disagree. I think we were pretty even except for those 3 or 4 minutes were they scored. That being said I am sick of saying that we were good but for a few mistakes. Lots of missed opportunities today from both sides, it could have been 6-5 either way.

ri red. can't wait 'til august.


I forgot to add that I like your idea about an anfield classic. it's do

ri red


14 Feb 2013 20:12:21
i think we can score more than 2 goals at anfield but I am also sure that we will concede I have been saying this for a while now BR is inexperienced. I am fed up of this tika taka bull s**t we have good young players we need experienced managers some one like pellergini please

Ayush


I'm sorry Waro but if anyone here is worse than the geordies it's you. You constantly fill this page with negative drivel and get slated by your teams supports. So please sit back down.

RedSpud


Ayush best new poster of realism of late on here


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:57:28
Did Rodgers also not have a clue when we drew with Arsenal and last year's star studded champions in one week last week? Get a clue, this team is much better than it was two years ago but its still not there yet and the results haven't been going our way because of individual mistakes.

ChrisMiz


ChrisMiz you can't have it both ways. If Rodgers is responsible when we play well then he's also responsible when we play badly

Chris in Tamworth


? this team is younger, and we have cut the wage bills a bit, but a better team? i'm not so sure


Chris, I completely agree, I was just referencing those who call for his head every time we lose, whether we played well or now, and saying Dalglish was better. In total honesty, I would much rather have Rodgers in charge over Dalglish, we look much stronger in all areas, just still can't find the results somehow.

ChrisMiz


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:57:23
Lets face it. Liverpool are getting worse season by season. With the players apparently leaving, reina, skertal etc, and probably Suarez, no cl who's going to want to come play for them? No good players, no Europe. No clue, no hope


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:57:12
Absolutely gutted with the loss tonight, can I just say that before all you people start blaming Rodgers and saying Rodgers out and all that rubbish, the person to blame tonight is the one and only golden boy Luis Suarez for missing 4, yes I said 4 clear goal scoring chances! People wonder why we lose! It's because we can't score when we have all the chances we create! Absolutely pathetic finishing! Suarez hang your head in shame tonight!

Ack17


Tottaly agree brhas to have the nerve to sub him off sometimes, poor crap play


Suarez has carried us all season, he's aloud one off night, its upto to the other players to step up an no one ever does, were would we be without suarez this season? Dennis89


The same Suarez who s 2nd top goal scorer in the PL this season?

It's his fault?

Well I mean if you consider that he has to do EVERYTHING on his own to create opportunities, then yes Suarez, hang your head son.

My God.

Perhaps if he had decent players and a decent manager around him?

SR (StrabaneRed)


Well you won't have to put up with your perceived poor finisher after this season because he will be off, and he will go with my thanks and best wishes. Unbelieveable post!

Waro


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:56:59
We should of done this we should of done that bla bla bla bla forget this season and possibly the next one. Patience is what's needed, what I will admit though is its hard but it makes victory taste a whole lot sweeter. YNWA

gee man


Geeman, any chance you and huddz red who write off the season and say so what can have a whip round and give me my season ticket money back because I can't afford to write off £802. Again thanks in advance.

Waro


I'll be here next year and the year after that. Win or lose were stuck with each other.

ri red


Waro I'm here for life. I just see the bigger picture its going to take time that's all I meant and if I lived local I would defo have a season ticket also. it's going to be a bumpy ride but like most people on this site tearing shreds from our team doesn't help much. I truly believe this young team over th coming two seasons will only get better and better.

gee man


What's a victory 2, 2 at arsenal or man city


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:56:16
And so the transition continues what now?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:56:01
He doesn't know what he's doing. God knows what we're going to be like when he sells our best players in Summer and brings in another 6/7 Joe Allens. R. I. P my one love Liverpool


Joe allen is a kid in the case you have forgotten. I don't know what you were doing at 22-23 ( if you're even that old yet) but to deal with the rigors of being at a big club at such a young age seems difficult. He will get better. While at swansea he was near first on the team sheet now he has to fight every day. It' difficult to be an athlete even on an amateur level. I'm a thai boxer who has faught in front of 150 people tops and I was nervous ( someone trying to pummel you in front of a crowd is nerve wracking) so let alone the 45,000 in attendance and the millions around the world. In summary, be patient our young players including allen have class and the january transfers will get comfortable and hit the ground running in august.

ri red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:55:49
Whether we like it or not we have a mid table mentality.

Mighty reds


Because we have a mid table manager


That's what happens when you employ a mid table table manager.

Saying that, that's all our owners seem to be able to afford.

You get what you pay for.

SR (StrabaneRed)


We have a team of mid table players, to many players jus waiting for their mates to do something.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:55:16
Second week in February and the season is over, remarkable. Where do we go from here? We are so fragile and we have nobody who can impose themself on the game. Too many players who are on the periphery of the game. We are so lightweight in midfield it is always an accident waiting to happen.

So depressing


And BR don`t see it that we are very very very very very very ligth in midfield

Budashow


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:55:08
I want a truthful response, can someone tell me what Allen brings to the team?


Backpasses and disposesion, something that top teams would pay in excess of 15 mil and even go as far as to hail him as the next xavi

ali g


Nothing. God this is so depressing

Antrim Red


Nothing mate apart from filling a space


14 Feb 2013 19:19:58
a pair of shoes. with stockins.
also a tumbler for drinking water and tissue paper in the toilet.
he also brings his kit. neatly cleaned and ironed.
and a headset with a walkman.


Play tiki taka, take the ball from your defenders and give it straight back to opposition player, let the defenders take it back or let him shoot from distance and hope it won't go in to the net which is being guarded by hydrogen balloon (because it will bounce back straight to player who hit it) and repeat the same for next 90 mins.

AJ


90% Success Side Way Passing?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:54:35
Always a tough game.

Bring it on at Anfield boys.

DaveyBootle


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:54:05
Before this game ends, I don't want all the 'Rodgers out' crew to be complaining. We have created a lot of chances away from home, in a hostile atmosphere against a top team. So just because we lost, don't come on here saying 'Rodgers out' and so on. We can still come back from 2-0. Although an away goal would have helped.

-Beany.


So Beany, how confident are you that we'll keep a clean sheet?

Because we haven't kept that many this season and if we concede we need at least 4 goals.

Not going to happen.


So why the f+++ would we bring in Lucas when we are 2-0 down


We haven't kept many clean sheets? Only City have kept more than us this season!

-Beany.


We bring in lucas because our midfield was beeing overrunned by a good zenit midfield, damn, how can you even ask a stupid question like that?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:53:51
Hope that us talking to Ancelotti is true because Rodgers is the worst manager in the history, he's doing nothing different to which Hodgson did. I've been his biggest fan up until tonight where he proved his tactics are shocking and he's unable to make the right decisions at any time. Need a massive clear out in the summer I don't think it particularly matters who leaves any more because our so called better players are also awful and wouldn't get into most other teams in the Premiership.

A disheartened red, Alex


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:53:43
Sickve lightweight fancy dan-no End product Football


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:53:33
Yet another disappointing result players not trying and stupid mistakes this is a horrendous season for the reds, we are playing itch no confidence and I cannot see where the next win is coming from.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:53:26
Stirling = Headless chicken. Allen. I'm lost for words! Downing would struggle to cross his eyes, never mind a decent ball into the box! Defence is far to error prone. Brenda is out of his depth here I'm afraid. Back to the Souness day's eh?


Downing to put decent ball in the box? for whom? no one is in the box

budashow


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:53:13
Joe Allen thinks it's just good anuf 2 run an watch the ball an he's doing anuf poor game very very disappointed realey worrying times 4 us. Lfc fazak


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:52:58
Bring on next season.
AmRed


With no Suarez

Woohooo


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:52:55
I will NEVER give up my Season Ticket but can understand some near me who have, sickle it over years


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:52:52
Just feel sorry for all the reds fans who paid good money to travel all that way and watch that.

YNWA


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:52:44
and the Liverpool / Rodgers / FSG bashing starts. NOW
-Slim


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:51:08
I have now lost all faith in Liverpool fc, what a joke we have turned in to, BR is the biggest joke ever he is all talk no action, get rid of him now, Allen, downing, henderson, gerrard, sterling, Skirtle are a waste of space,

RIP

LFC


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:51:08
Im tired. its tiring being an lfc supporter. I had no confidence before this game and i'm sad to see my fears born fruit. What has happened to my beloved. on to the next debacle I guess.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:51:02
Disappointing performance by everyone round. Can't say anyone showed up other than Pepe's first 15. Our lack of focus I find most frustrating. that's been the only consistency all year. Team selection was crap as well as our tactics. A passing game on a frozen cow pasture won't work especially with no alternate approaches. Suarez lone gun up top is criminal, along with the howlers he's missed tonight by his standards.

No one singular to blame. The whole lot including coaches were dreadful, bottom line.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:50:40
180 page dossier on how to get pumped every other week


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:50:39
Is this what we call 'tiki-taka' football? Well whatever you call this mess I am seeing on the screen, it needs to go, whatever zenit have going on, I would much prefer that.
Where is our threat coming from apart from Suarez, who couldn't hit a barn door with a machine gun based on todays' performance (fifa 06 anyone?). I pray to God Countinho's got some flair in him and adapts to prem quickly, because I really don't want to see Allen or henderson play again.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:50:18
Anyone, I've missed the game because I've been in work. Let me guess, we played well, very well at times, should have scored 2 maybe even 3, didn't take our chances, then with little to no effort we concede a daft goal or a worldie, then we look like fish out of water?

How did I do

RedLee


I can't say mate, which player was you?


100% correct! I ld say well done, but answer was too obvious- Bar some brainwashed who accept less than mediocraty on here in the NEVER ending REbuild!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:49:29
let me be the first to start the 'when is BR going?!' brigade


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:49:24
Yes he has missed some he should of scored but
Saurez is world class the guy creates most of his chances that really he has no rite to he is a special player and would walk into any team. Just
Think were we would be without him.


14 Feb 2013 19:03:36
we would be playing against blackpool on friday in championship.
20 odd goals. what else you want. yes he had a poor game.
but he is the only player in current liverool side who can fetch atleast 50 mill in transfer fees.

i don't understand. why are we signing midfielders. ever 6 months?


Kenny went 8 games without him last season and still did better than this rubbish.


Let's just think to the start of next season then. Good Luck to us!

SR (StrabaneRed)


Be worse! Unless something drastic happens


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:46:06
I've always believed you don't sign a player off the back of one good season I'm starting to think the same should apply to managers

Chris in Tamworth


It is absolutely true.

Managers need pedigree.


You probably get slaughtered for this. But I agree


Ofcourse it should apply to managers, especialy when it is to manage a massive club like Liverpool. We needed a proven manager to bring us back up quickly not an inexperienced one. RedTurk


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:45:11
For every player Rodgers buys in summer, he needs to buy another one in the same position, because inevitably one will not be good enough.


14 Feb 2013 19:05:36
perfect. absolute perfect.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:43:45
BR - wrong formation, wrong line up
Allen- not good enough (never buy a player of the back of 1 good season)
Sterling- gone backwards
Henderson- wrong position
Downing- not good enough
Gerrard- needs a rest
Skrtel- not good enough

Chris in Tamworth


Sorry Chris but Suarez finishing let the team down and yet again poor by Johnson on the second goal.

Mighty reds


Carragher should have retired 2 seasons ago?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:43:18
Wat is wrong with rodgers pool look tired, you could see those goals coming, sterling and allen useless waits for 2 - 0 brings o lucas were is borini. saurez wasteful but I forgive him he has carried us this year, skertl what was he thinking


They are tired because in order for our team to go 10 yards forwards we have to pass it back 20 yards first.
Other teams wait for us to break down and then smash us on the break.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:42:00
LOL looks like my optimism earlier today was just blind faith. really embarressed with this result today, outplayed. what the hell were we doing today?

LionRed


Finally you have your sight back you can see what we have seen for months.

Antrim Red


Too many blind faith merchants on here. Particularily after 2 good results on run. Time to face up to reality. And drive Fsg -WERE NOT Accepting this S it week in week out


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:41:52
Season over by Valentines Day. , surely this is a new low. , BR seems clueless. no substitutions early enough, Sterling should have been off at half time and Allen shortly after. Have never been against our manager in 39 years of supporting the Reds but Brendon is taking me to the brink, rarely been this downhearted being a Liverpool fan


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:41:33
Have to laugh at Brendan. We are Liverpool Football Club two down away from home looking for an away goal to give us any hope & the mental backing he gives the players is to replace an attacker with a defensive player who never will score! Let's hope I put a curse on Zenit there. Come on Lucas!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:40:54
We always start a game slow, dominate, miss chances. Then sleep 2nd half start again-maybe Brendans Irish lilt? miss chances, conceded -then panic and cave in! same old. Is there too many'footballing'players and NOT enough workers in side? because we cannot seem to do ugly side well like close down, concentrate, man mark. No hard men, lightweight fancy dans who's bottle apparently goes. What does Allen bring? Carra earlier saw signs-screaming at them to close down, as did Reina before that. And they seem to get ignored


We did'nt outplay anyone today at any point. we were rubbish

LionRed


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:40:46
waooo. 2-0 down.
Europa League the reds are coming.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:40:43
i just don't get it Br waits for so long to make a substitution and he brings lucas on for sterling again tinkering with formation we badly need a away goal lucas should be there for joe allen who is having a very average game. what borini?suso?

Ayush


I disagree - we got much more Allen than we did from Sterling

Puzzled


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:40:39
I think we need to change strategy with corners. We are just awful in that department


Awful in lot of departments


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:39:32
Yes Suarez is an exciting player, but my guaranga is his finishing atrocious


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:38:46
its time for the following to leave, Brenden, clueless, sterling and allen too lightweight, skirtel, johnson, does not want to be there,
poor suarez on own, a team, no deff not, unless someone gets that we need 26/28 year olds in midfield then we will end up a laughing stock, bye bye brendon. 2 games in a row, disjointed and useless, no passion or comittment, never again will we be the club we were, we need a experienced manager, times up, crap buys, watch stirling wander around the pitch, watch allen not getting a tackle in, be better in championship!!!! seems BR not got the team behind him, too many, I know them buys


Agreed. I'm waiting for the 'In BR we Trust' and 'Allen is a talent' posts from all the die hard BR fans who do not have a clue.
Yes managers need time, but that is assuming the squad needs changing. He has good players and is now making them look rubbish.
Can we just all admit that he is NOT up to managing this great club and the gap is getting wider and wider between the top sides.
FSG, please go and recruit the best this summer.
G


I don't think slating the manager is the way forward. I don't agree with some of his decisions, but hey I am a Warehouse op not a football coach. let's support LFC, Manager, Players, tea lady.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:38:22
If we could nick an away goal here I'd be content with a 2-1 defeat against a strong team like Zenit. Then bring them back to Anfield with the crowd hopefully pushing us to victory.
TedRed.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:36:40
My god this is awful


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:35:54
And there we go, tie over. That's why they were a champions league side and we aren't and won't be any time soon. So much better than us going forward, even though our defence played well up untill the two goals.
So our season is more or less over - out all the cups and more or less just battling for 7th place. Major improvement needed in summer, but wouldn't blame the owners if they are abit stingy with the budget as I know I wouldn't trust Rodgers with very much the way he has further dragged us down with his expensive flops.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:34:15
If wy granny was playing instead of suarez she would have scored a hat trick
fforestfach red


She'd also been taken off the pitch for being a pitch invader. Granny's playing men's football?!

This comparison ''My granny could'' play men's professional sports always makes me wonder ''Is their Granny with beard?''

BCDI.


Yes, because she would have gotten into those positions. Get a grip. Suarez was poor, but he has scored nearly twenty for us this season.


Not true BCDI. My Nani plays for Manchester United.
LS7.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:34:01
Once again suarez etc miss so many chances and the opposition score. It is absolutely frustrating of late watching us simply waste chances and gift the game away.


No Sturridge, since he's come in he's helped take the burden off Suarez, not only in goals but support on the pitch. No Sturridge and Suarez is isolated for much and has half chances and snatch shots and runs into nowhere. On another day he'll put them all away and loads of fickle fans will be raving about him.

But we are in a tough patch and low on form and confidence, it happens. How do you think United lost the title to City last Season? It happens.


It happens. Too often!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:33:41
Brendan rodgers clueless this team is full of jokes
Suarez misses soo many chances
Allen is effin crap
Hendo needs to run wit ball or will never make it jus says it all that carra is our best player today and reina has been reli good today but seriously I don't belive rodgers has what it takes he needs to go


Away in Russia is never easy. It was always going to be difficult, especially after dominating so much of the WBA game and getting beat at home on the break. But this is Liverpool, we are usually rusty after the international break for a game or two.

BCDI.


We are rusty?

Zenit haven't played for 2 months!

Lol


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:33:27
So this is Brendan's idea of "a response".
Great first goal to be fair but we look toothless really bar Suarez who is back to his old self in front of goal. The Liverpool of 08/09 would be 2 or 3 goals up by now! How I miss those days!


The Liverpool of 08 had 3 or 4 years under the manager, with a core group of players who ticked well. Gerrard and Carra were 4/5 years younger as well.

We are in the early stages of a new squad, it's going to take it's time and it's going to be ugly and hard but that's where we are.

BCDI.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:33:22
Same old story, Rodgers has no idea about the different phases of a game. You can't play tippy tappy rubbish all game. If it's not working, you need to change.
Lets hope FSG change soon.

Post Match:

We dominated the game, players worked hard, we were unlucky with the decisions, can't fault the players. Etc etc etc


Hes a robot on auto pilot mate, can't be a human as he would see the flaws by now


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:33:07
Please don't anyone come on here and tell me that glen Johnson is a good defender ever again. School boy errors all the fecking time.


You my friend have not got a clue about football Johnson is easily in the top 3 full-backs in the Premier League.


He's been one of our better players today mate.

Crowman


GJ is only good going forward mate he's sh--e at defending, and that's what he is apparantly


A decent player but not a good defender, no where near top three perhaps its you who does not have a clue, oh and by the way did you see him against west brom -dire!


West Brom and Zenit. 2 matches all season. And by the way he has been brilliant all season and was one of our best players tonight. So maybe its only me and Crowman who know what we're talking about here?


GJ's defending for their second goal is shocking and all but puts us out of the tie.
Mo


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:58
And we crumble. Wow its hard work watchin lfc so frustrating its not funny


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:56
Can Skrtel go through a single game without costing us a goal


Pity it wasn't carra facing hulk as he set himself up, instead we had skrtel turning his back on the shot, instead of rushing to close down the space


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:49
Shame on players. What the hell. if you don't score this is what happens. rodgers doesn't have authority nd players are just names. might as well play youngsters.
Harry Oldbury


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:46
Monday all over again. BR still not practicing defending then. Start to lose faith


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:27
I've a pain in my face with defenders turnin there back on shot brutal jus as I say that more bad defending ROGERS collect your p45


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:32:17
2-0 down in 2 minutes. Oh dear.

Crowman.


 

 

14 feb 2013 18:30:44
fsg out now! they're hirings and policy has failed miserably

built by shonks ruined by yonks


They have spent a lot of money. I get you're frustrated but is that the appropriate target?


Absolutely others late to cotton on per normal


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:30:29
Make that 2-0 down, absolute sh**e.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:29:42
Oh my god, 1-0 down to a team that hasn't played since December. Truly one of the worst LFC teams I've ever seen.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:28:36
Skrtel should have done better but what a strike by Hulk!
LS7.


Instead of wimping out he should have stuck a foot out or dived in front of it like other die hard defenders do! Becoming tedeous being negative but losing count of how many times Skrtyl and Johnson switch off!
Rush was ace


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:27:44
Sterling hasn't got a fecking clue. Before anyone responds with their 'we love Raheem' hats on do me a favour and actually watch the guy, kid or not he's in the LFC first team and EVERY time he gets the ball he hasn't the foggiest idea of what to do. A player from the amateur leagues would at least do something positive at least once in the match, Sterling doesn't do anything other than lose the ball. I'm not saying he's on his own out there but the lad is supposed to be a winger and he plays like an out field goalie.


Did you see the runs he tried to make but Gerrard's too scared to try and make a through ball and always chooses too pass too Suarez (to be safe) who is selfish as ****!

LionRed


You can see it, I can see it, why can't BR see it
fforestfach red


He's a one trick pony, all pace and has been found out after a good start.

Don't blame him though, why is Rodgers picking him?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:24:47
Lot better overall Pepe so far!Bar maybe effort off post. 2 great saves


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:21:13
Has Suarez got last seasons boots on?


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:19:25
I understand the pitch is not the best, but I can't see what Sterling is having a shocker, bringing nothing to the game. totally anonymous
There is also a huge gap between defence and midfield which Allen should be filling but isn't. thankfully Reina and the defence have played reasonably well, just keep it going
Would help if Suarez had his boots on the right feet too.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 18:14:00
I think we should be pleased with 0-0 at HT or FT, remember its 7 versus eleven ( Allen, Enrique, Downing, Sterling. delete or add to this list)

davinspain


Enrique is containing Hulk brilliantly?

-Beany.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:58:33
Suso for Hendo, Lucas for Allen might help the second half, also if Suarez kept it simpler!

HK


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:56:08
Ed this could be just coincidence but how come we have converted 2 centre-backs in Kelly and Wisdom to right-back? Is it pace or the fact that they are good defenders to make us harder to break down? Or is there a different reason for it?
Cheers mate,
TedRed. {Ed002's Note - They are simply able to play in more than one position - it is not uncommon.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:54:04
Reina looks like he did at his best tonight.

pronin


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:50:42
Suarez has been awful. He just likes throwing himself on the ground.


No, really? Hadn't noticed before ;)


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:47:55
Please peps keep playing for the rest of the season like you are now against zenit!
Ps great game would like sterling to get more involved


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:47:38
The lack of genuine quality in this side is astounding.
Unbelievable that over £150m has been spent on players the past four or so windows and yet the squad is no better than it was when Rafa Benitez left.

I look at Spurs, Newcastle and Arsenal and wonder where we are going wrong.
These clubs haven't spent even a fraction of what we have shelled out, yet they have been able to improve their squads significantly better than us.

Cabaye, Ba, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Debuchy (Newcastle), Vertonghen, Dembele, Holtby, Sandro (Spurs) and Cazorla, Podolski, Monreal (Arsenal).
All these players would walk into our first eleven and immeasurably improve it.

Of the many players brought in the past few seasons (for expensive fees), only Suarez and Sturridge seem to and are making a real impact. Bar them two, and on rare occassion, Stevie, we don't have any game changers, absolutely none.

Having already backed Rodgers to the tune of £60m+ and with the squad looking no better than it was at any other point in recent seasons, I'd be extremely reluctant funding any 'massive' changes this upcoming summer.
I expect, understandably so, Rodgers to be more or less on his own summer.
He cannot justify anymore significant funding.

Alans


Notice that all the players you listed above are foreign. here's a solution to our problems, buy some foreign talent, forget these boring young british players! problem solved for me, all the top team are 80%+ foreign, why can't we see that. the lower you go down the table (bar qpr), the more english players there are. explains why our national team is so bad, because their isn't enough flair.
c'mon, someone else must have noticed this too?

rdr


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:44:02
What on earth has happened to our team? Can't shoot, can't pass, can't tackle, can't control the ball, don't know how to track a man, can't close down. What happened to the composed performance we had at City? Honestly footballers get away with it all the time, I actually feel sorry for Rodgers with this lot, I find it amazing how such good players can blow so hot and cold.
Jud.


Its quite hard conditions out there, have you not noticed?! You try and play in -4/-6


Shhhhhhhh!

Remember the mantra, after 3 repeat

"We are going in the right direction"


That's a load of b*******, minus 4 my arse, aren't Zenit playing in the same conditions? Haven't other teams gone there and played well? The bottom line is this LFC team are totally awful, clueless and lazy, I'm telling you now this is a horrible team right now and they prove it all the time; how many terrible performances will it take for people to see the truth? Watch the rest of this game and then watch on Sunday against Swansea, yes the mighty Swansea, that's how far we have fallen, they will take Liverpool to the cleaners in Sunday.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:43:12
In
Hart- man city
Varane- Real Madrid
Fabio coentrao- Real Madrid
Tom ince- blackpool
Sanchez- Barcelona
Tello- Barcelona


And then you woke up?


100% Wishfull thinking there mate.

Hart = £18m
Varane = £15m
Coentrao = £20m
Ince = £8m
Sanchez = £25m
Tello = £12m

Total = 98m


Great team mate I didn't know we had that big a transfer budget in FIFA!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:43:11
Allen is awful. He's supposed to be a 'pass master' but has given the ball away countless times, he is weak, not creative at all, woeful signing for 15m. Could have given you a dozen players in his position we could have bought instead.
Zenit are looking very fluid going forward as expected with the attacking players on the field, and just have too much flair and good movement for us at the moment. This highlights how badly we need some creative midfielders who can actually dribble and beat their man.

Henderson has also shown exactly why I dislike him so much as I don't think he's even touched the ball yet, anonymous so far. Sterling is just not ready for first team football yet, but in the future I have no doubt he'll be great. Downing is just too predictable for a winger, barely capable of taking his man on, not good enough. Suarez is just trying to do the hard thing every time he gets a chance, should have had a hatrick by now. Defence are looking abit vulnerable mainly because there is no cover atall in front of them, just a massive gap for Hulk to have to him self with the insignificant presence of Allen helplessly attempting to get close to him once he's within 18 yards.

We are not scoring today, I can tell you this much, so we just need to hold on for the 0-0 draw.

E. H LFC


He's a bit rusty, playin in -4 on a crap pitch. Give the lad a break and support!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:42:00
what exactly does Joe Allen do again?. and sorry Sterling maybe one for the future but that's all he is for me right now. good game to watch but can't help thinking we always carry one or two players.

Shanklys old whippet


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:41:18
Allen is awful. He's supposed to be a 'pass master' but has given the ball away countless times, he is weak, not creative at all, woeful signing for 15m. Could have given you a dozen players in his position we could have bought instead.
Zenit are looking very fluid going forward as expected with the attacking players on the field, and just have too much flair and good movement for us at the moment. This highlights how badly we need some creative midfielders who can actually dribble and beat their man.

Henderson has also shown exactly why I dislike him so much as I don't think he's even touched the ball yet, anonymous so far. Sterling is just not ready for first team football yet, but in the future I have no doubt he'll be great. Downing is just too predictable for a winger, barely capable of taking his man on, not good enough. Suarez is just trying to do the hard thing every time he gets a chance, should have had a hatrick by now. Defence are looking abit vulnerable mainly because there is no cover atall in front of them, just a massive gap for Hulk to have to him self with the insignificant presence of Allen helplessly attempting to get close to him once he's within 18 yards.

We are not scoring today, I can tell you this much, so we just need to hold on for the 0-0 draw.

E. H LFC


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:41:14
Suarez needs a striker ahead of him.


Wht state the obvious, when we have'nt got on
fforestfach red


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:40:46
Suarez misses too many chances

Basy


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:34:48
Zenit pretty good going forward but I don't think they can defend too well. Need to get them turning.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:30:30
Hi eds, Going to Anfield on sunday as ever but my canadian cousin is coming over for the first time. She is a huge sturridge fan - any news on his fitness I know he is cuptied tonight but will he be available sunday?

cheers

scousetommy29 {Ed002's Note - He will be available for selection.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:30:02
28 minutes gone and Joe Allen is showing everyone why he deserves to play at this level!


4 PEOPLE ACTUALLY AGREED?

Couldn't you tell I was being sarcastic - the bloke is a sidewards passing lightweight, who instantly becomes colour blind the minute he has to deliver the ball further then ten metres!

The bloke is a joke, only surpassed by the bloke who signed him, I bet Rodgers has Allen's face printed on his toilet paper!


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:17:21
luis suarez has just shown EXACTLY why we always struggle.

why can't he just do the easy thing and shoot

im just waiting for zenit to score a few now.

doesnt suarez realise how a game cna change when you lead. jezz man


Yep that's right slag off suarez - why didn't you tell rodgers and then you could have played seen as you know the game so well!


Mate he'll score the winner!


The funny thing is. he could have scored a hat trick by 41 mins. as they were clear chances inside the box

im not blaming him guys. its just so frustrating to see the easy ones not go in. zenit are for the taking if we are more potent. damn lfc read these damn posts from the fans :)


Absolutely bang on, Iv'e seen sunday league players who would at least got the shot away.


What a complete person. Yes he does things the hard way but he keeps going and getting himself in those positions. Without him this season we would be in bottom 5 or 6 in prem so give him some credit.
Neilp


Suarez is on a high this season, he's scored loads, his individual performances have been the best in the team. If he did the ''simple things'' he may not do the extraordinary things. Suarez isn't a ''safety player''.

Trying to curb Suarez' trickery and desire to nutmeg his opponent, or try something unpredictable would be to stifle his creativity and would take away a great edge to his game which many players just do not have.

When Suarez is on fire Liverpool usually win, when he's not on fire we need the other players to make a difference. Pepe Reina has made some outstanding saves and kept us in the game at the other end. We need more players on the pitch to make a difference to the score line, which when we play with one striker has been difficult.

BCDI.


No, he completely deserves the blame. How some on here can 'slag off' Borini but yet give Suarez no stick whatsoever is beyond me. Thus far, he clearly deserves it- he's been absolutely awful.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:08:54
we are a poor side, with a poor manager! he professes to be a student of the game? he needs to look at the club. we have had MASTERS of the game manage this club! we are a world away from where we need to be! his signings have done nothing & I have my doubts the owners really have our best interests at heart! I have supported my club for 32 years. we need a lift! our spending has been stupid! I don't see a quick remedy here! how many more years will the owners/management ask for more support because we are team in transisition?


How many more years do we have to read stupid posts from persons like you?


RD


Poor fan moral, Liverpool are a good side, we are experiencing teething problems, I think it's obvious that we've been over compensating in the attacking side of things ever since Rodgers was left short on deadline day, since then it's all been about getting the attack sorted out.

Now the defence looks as wobbly as a bowl of jelly, but that's confidence and form surrounding new tactics, positing and organisation. 4th place was a ridiculous ask from hopeful, delusional and overall misguided people, it always depended on other teams in and around the top half failing.


Fan moral?! Face it same old every week!sick of it


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:05:04
Were always caught at start of both halfs sleeping. west ham, Oldham onwards.


We are prone and susepctable to mistakes and lack of concentration, but it's not just reserved to the start and end of halves, it's a running theme throughout the whole game. That's football.

We are a little out of form with certain players and area's, I think it shows but we are very good when in gear, it's just about getting the form back, confidence running high and self belief. The saddest thing for me is that senior members of the squad and playing with their heads down far too much when things get difficult and with having so many young players in the squad that isn't a great example for them to follow.

BCDI.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:02:15
Seems like Coutinho's going down the same path as Assaidi, Sahin, Aquilani, Jovanovic and co - never given a chance ahead of the British lads. Not even included on the bench today, why? We need a spark in this game! Personally think Their going to tear us a new one tonight, Hulk, Denisov, Witsel, Danny and Kerzhakov, wow. Hadn't really been keeping tabs on their squad over the last year so completely forgot how much quality they have going forward. Way more creativity, excitement and skill going forward than us, it's just Suarez and maybe Gerrard who are going to provide any kind of scare for them tonight. {Ed002's Note - Another box of rocks moment - Coutinho is cup tied.}


It's posts like this that really puts into perspective the constitution required to be an Ed. I bet they don't sit anywhere near razor blades and have a endless supply of Valium!


You obviously haven't been keeping tabs on our squad either.


HAHA, what a great post, the effort clearly put in to try and make the point makes it even funnier. sums up a lot of the posters on the site unfortunatly


Don't you read articles and information about Liverpool or find out about the squad?

Coutinho played for Inter Milan in Europa competition already this season, that makes him cup tied. Sturridge is also cup tied in the Uefa cup. Sahin is no longer at Liverpool on loan, the loan was cancelled and he is now at Dortmund on an 18 month loan.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 17:00:40
just saw the team sheet I think its good that we are playing 433 just hoping that our defenders will have a good game today.
very happy to see suso on the bench today

Ayush


 

 

14 Feb 2013 16:55:00
If people are complaining about team selection DO IT NOW. not after the game when we all have the ability of hindsight.

I think replacing agger with skrtl was a clever move and shows agger he can't walk into the team without playing well. I might have preferred lucas to allen but all in all I think he's picked a strong team.

If we don't win it's down to the players not the manager.


14 Feb 2013 17:47:36
The manager who picks the players and formulates the tactics they play you mean. Ok everyone listen to the man and just blame the players. What a dope. let's hope we win so knowbody has to be blamed hey!

Waro


Excellent post man :)


 

 

14 Feb 2013 16:53:46
Lfc will be beaten easy 2day it really hurts me to say that jus ZENIT are a decent side altho I really hope we get something though and eds jus on the carlo A story do you think rodgers would be fuming over the storys and is looking for the owners to back him to the hilt because I think he needs 3years to get it rite AnD for the record I think he is THE MAN JON96 YNWA

{Ed002's Note - It might make him more determined but I would doubt it would anger him. He knows it is a results oriented business and those that fail need to be moved on.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 16:50:59
I've got to ask, why all the Rodgers bashing?
Surely we are playing a much more attractive style of football under BR than we were under KK.
Kenny was and always will be a legend, and rightly so, but let's be honest he wasn't the owners ideal choice. They went with the fans and gave Kenny a chance which didn't work out. But he had a season and a half.
Rodgers is trying to instil a style of play, regardless of what others say it is a pass and move style that didn't work under KK. The style under BR has been a lot better this season and we have been unfortunate on occasion. I for one am behind Rodgers completely and truly believe that he can turn the fortunes of LFC around. It will take time, and time is what HAS to be afforded to him by the owners or he will never be able to create the stability our club needs and deserves.


A rare, insightful post.

pronin


Did you watch us play Mansfield, Villa, Oldham?

You are brainwashed by the Rodgers hype if you really believe we are better this season than last.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 16:09:04
Just like to gather everyones views on Brendan Rodgers and what you guys think the future will hold this time next year if he's still in charge.

As much as I support BR and desperately want him to succeed, part of me does believe we would be in much safer hands with a more wiser figure in charge with a history of winning trophies.

Its a case of now or never with Liverpool. The 'rebuilding process' seems never ending and for sure FSG and the fans want immediate improvement and stability in the club.

Has a 40 year old Rodgers got the respect of the senior bodies at our club? Do our top players see the bigger picture and will they stick around to be part of the re-building of Liverpool Football Club.

Im not ridiculing BR one bit, I think he has tremendous courage to take on one of the biggest jobs in football with very little experience as a manager.

But, at a enourmous club like Liverpool, are we taking a massive gamble here. Should we have approached somebody who has maybe played the game at the highest level or has a proven track record? Or are we right in giving a young manager like Brendan Rodgers a chance at the big time?


Apples ;96;


Sadly he will be a catostrophic failure, He was the wrong man when more than ever we needed the right man, I think he is the one mistake too many that will doom us to decline


I suspect the results from the next 3 games (Europa and Swans) will be very important to Rodgers' future at Liverpool FC.

If I were the owners at this point in time I would say things wouldn't look favorable as to his position, but a good run could swing that whereas a bad one could as well (and for me dropping out of Europa and losing to Swans would probably do it).

Personally, I think BR bit off a tad more than he can chew and he probably should have stayed at Swansea. It's a tough gig being the manager of Liverpool, particularly at this point in time and, as Ed002 says, perhaps this job came to him a bit too soon.


Good post, overall I think BR is the right man, it is the players who need to step up and perform more often.

I question some of his buys, subs and ruthletvess over Carol.

But overall, impressed with BR.

I would say more often than not a lack of competition for places has let the club down and the senior players need to support BR and lead by example.

Lack of strength in goalkeeping and defenders at the moment is a concern.

SK


He's a nice enough fella but his football philosophy is naive.


Way out of his depth job is to big for him. not enough experience at this level. results speak for themselves.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 15:41:20
I Think the Board will have used The Carrol Moneys is what will have been used (if he goes ) on The The sturridge & Couthinio transfers January Just Gone

is summer Liverpool will Get the Normal 22 Mill of board + Sales of Reina / Skertel + whoever else is not reqired but to get rid of t many eg Downing, Henderson will leave us very thin

K. O. B


Is that how much you get on fifa then whatever you get from sales?
How can you determine how much will be spent, pure speculation


Money from carrol to fund sturridge and coutinho? lol best 1 yet, either you mean the money from sending out on loan roughly about £1m or when you sell him you would be lucky to get anywhere near £15m


How do you spend money we haven't even agreed to get yet?

He could still go for anything between 10 and 17 million to either of west ham or Newcastle.

Jonesred


It say's if he goes and if he dosn't go then expect a very small budget my point being they have already spent the money as they expect him to go as they needed a forward in January

What i'am trying to say is don't expect loads of signing's in th e summer unless we sell players

K. O. B


 

 

14 Feb 2013 15:29:20
Dont you hate it when having to do work gets in the way of reading this site! Its a disgrace!
FowlerisGod


 

 

14 Feb 2013 15:26:26
Ed am I right in saying that whoever wins the Europa League qualifies for it the next season? If so I think they should consider changing it. I know I will probably get stick for this but teams who get knocked out of the Champions League into the Europa don't always treat it as a big competition. I think to make it more of a major cup competition they should have the winner of the Europa League going into the qualifying stages of the Champions League the next season. Just a suggestion but let me know how you guys feel about this, any other suggestions are welcome!
Cheers,
LS7. {Ed002's Note - You are seemingly clutching at straws to find Liverpool a back door in to the Champions League. How would you feel about qualifying for the Champions League (like Spurs last season) and then losing you place to an English Europa League winner - Fulham nearly won it a few years back?}


I think if you've won it 5 or more times you should be honoured with a place in it, instead of a team that finishes 4th.
Please don't accuse me of being biased towards Liverpool, I would still say the same thing if Everton had won it 5 times.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - Perhaps even entering it at the semi-final stage?}


To be honest Ed when Liverpool were in the Champions League I thought this would have been a good idea. I've always seen it as a way to make teams more eager to win it. It has nothing to do with Liverpool whatsoever. I just see it as a way of making the Europa League more of an attraction to any team in Europe not just Liverpool. As I said Ed its just a suggestion as I know there has been talk of the Europa League being scrapped which I don't think is a good idea. I just think there are a lot of ways to improve the Europa League and I feel this is one of them. Not for Liverpool to find an easier route back into the Champions League. And I respect your opinion Ed, I'm not going to argue because I honestly just saw it as a good opportunity for any team.
Cheers,
LS7.


Or perhaps you could just take it seriously as other nations,


14 Feb 2013 16:59:00
They should reserve a place for the Europa League winners so that it is possible to have an extra team from a league in the CL

Hounsred {Ed002's Note - Clutching at straws as I say.}


Sorry if you seen it differently Ed but I think it would be a good idea if they were entered into the qualifying stages of the Champions League, similar to the way the winner of the League Cup is entered into the qualifying rounds of the Europa League. I didn't mean it in a way that we would go straight into the group stages but I think it's a better idea than making sure you have a place in the Europa League next season. Again its just a suggestion and I think its better than combining the Europa League and Champions League because I think that would just turn out to be a huge mess. If I'm being honest, I think it would be easier for Liverpool to finish in the top 7 of the League and qualify for the CL if I was clutching at straws. More and more great clubs are qualifying for the EL each year so it would be good for the elite clubs in the Europa League as well as the smaller teams. Again, I may be wrong and it may seem as if I'm 'clutching at straws' but in truth I just think its a good idea for any team. Sorry if it seemed as if I was showing bias towards Liverpool Ed but I'm not.
Cheers mate,
LS7.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 15:00:56
The way the club has turn around in last 3 years is just sad for the fans. About a decade ago when Liverpool played home or away, I felt sorry for another team because that's how good we were. The fans were great singing their voices out whether we are trailing or leading. In just couple of year all those are gone and now when we lose to a mid table team I feel sad and feel sorry for our fellow fans.

There are just somethings that we are not doing right. We are playing hell good football and doing a good job scoring goals (better than last year) but something is just not clicking for the team. I know it is very frustrating for fans and you guys are probably tired of hearing this but KEEP FAITH IN THE TEAM. That's one thing that Liverpool has taught us. Remember the FA Cup Final, Champions League Finals? All the fans had faith in the team. 3 - 0 down at half time and fans were still singing their hearts out. I don't think its a miracle that won us that trophy, I think that's the determination from each one of you fans that lifted the spirit of the team and was able to pull off one of the greatest night in Liverpool history.

I think we need to rethink who we are. All the people coming here and slating the team on one loss, please take a moment and think of the team you are supporting. I know we all like to see our team winning but take a loss as a chance to learn from the mistakes. What I am trying to say is KEEP FAITH in the team. Win or lose we need to be with your team. We are no plastic fan trying to buy glory, we are Liverpool fans trying to revive history.


"A Liverbird upon my chest, We are the men, of Shankly's best"


Live-On-Pool


Its not one loss think about it


Its BR and you lot know it, I posted a couple of days ago my thoughts and many agreed (didnt they puzzled?)
I admire your commitment to trying to build a stable manager at your club, but I also must say you must reconise when a manger is not the right fit i'm afraid. but hey i'm sure you will all disagree with me because I support UTD, but I am being sincere in my post and am not wanting a argument with any1 just my opinion.
Chris the REDman


 

 

14 Feb 2013 14:05:35
Eds I was under the belief that there was no top four target for Rodgers this season, I'm pretty sure I remember the owners or Ayre saying that at the beginning of the season. Yet Ed002 seems to think otherwise. Any source I could look up or anything?
Long time reader.
Cheers in advance.


14 Feb 2013 14:50:43
dude our so called poor owners have given significant funds to BR and they will be expecting atleast some return. At the end of the season BR will be judged according to his league position and his signings.

Ayush


16th August 2012 tv Radio 5 live interview.
Werner said :

"It is critical we make the Champions League because there is so much revenue associated with that, ".

To be fair, he didn't specifically say that it was this season's target.

{Ed002's Note - You mean he should have said, "I hope to see Liverpool in the Champions League before I die."


Are you having a pop there ed?
FowlerisGod {Ed002's Note - Maybe he should have said "It is critical we make the Champions League because there is so much revenue associated with that, but feel to take a few seasons off whilst we are in transition"?


No, he should of said "we will do everything in our power to sign iniesta, or die trying" That would of worked
FowlerisGod


If we assume the top 3 are nailed on next year, can anyone actually see us pipping Spurs and Arsenal to 4th spot? Spurs could keep Bale and sign some more good players in the summer.

Adam


Ah, the "transition" word. Used to give a manager time in case he cocks it up in his first few years.

The Irish Rover


 

 

14 Feb 2013 13:49:25
I'm predicting a 1-0 defeat today. Away from home in europe, with the second tier teams we seem to play in that competition, we seem to lack any invention, and I just can't see us scoring. Zenit are a strong side and I think will get a goal sometime in the second half; we will push for an equalizer but not get it.
Slightly pessimistic I know but I just can't see us getting anything from the first leg.

Dynamo


 

 

14 Feb 2013 13:38:24
ED002,
You opined that:
'At the very least there will be an end of season review and Rodgers will of course (if necessary) need to explain why he has not achieved this target. What probably won't be palatable is Rodgers saying that the club needs to fund major changes again this summer. I would think there is a very strong chance that sales will need to fund the majority of purchases this summer, even though in my view we are likely to see record spending world-wide. '
It seemed to me that FSG inicated that Rodgers was NOT required to achieve Champions League qualification this season. Nice if it happened but not a sine qua non. Why do you think that we will now be in a position that we will have to go back to 'sell to buy'. There will be new sponsorship money coming in and the costs of previous mistakes should have been accounted for. There should therefore be money to spend - £20-30m? Do you know something?

{Ed002's Note - Champions League qualification is the very clear and stated target. Obviously everyone recognises it is not an easy target but that is how success, rightly or wrongly, is measured. It can bring in significant revenue through prize money and other commercial streams opening up and for the club to be sustainable it needs growth. The owners are aware of that but they are not going to keep funding at the level they have been - and hence are leading the charge to halt spending by other clubs through money provided by their owners (Manchester City, Chelsea, QPR, Southampton etc.). This is a clear statement that their funding of the transfers for two and a half years will not carry on much longer. You need to remember that club has been losing a great deal of money - tranfers might be the only consideration for the fans, but the business has to deal with the much larger business - including the funding of the improvements to the ground.}


14 Feb 2013 14:03:43
Ed. you are right.
Cl was our main target. and its been a disasterous season so far for us.
But let's be honest. No owner or board can purchase a Cl Spot. the players, managers, the coaching staffs have to get it.
If you look at our squad. most of them haven't played in Cl or have any clue on getting into aprat from suare, gerrard and probably sturridge or lucas.
we have got plenty of kids in our team who are for the future.
But these kids should play week in week out to get into the Top 4.
most of our purchase have been from clubs who are way below than us. apart from suarez.
we are experimenting and predicting a future of brilliant talents within our club.
If we don't attain Cl. we may actually loose quality players.
I don't think and not logic owners providing funds yet again.
if you look at global. only bigger clubs,, who challenge top honours. or play yar in year out in Cl. splash cash which is available from CL revenue on new players.
or else your owner should be mega rich.
spurs has never spend over 70 mill in one single season.
they will do it. if they reach Top 4. I can see them getiing diamo or a world class striker.
Arsenal too need Cl. to attract and splash cash on new players.
yet ever since our owner bought Liverpool. have significantly splashed cash on new faces inspite of not being in Cl.

Our scouting system have to be top draw.
One michu haved saved a swansea.

The farther we are from CL. the worst our club conditions.

We can't criticise the owners. Its not Love, respect, nor loyalty that amde FSG to buy this club let's be honest.
Its the reputation and Profit. in this business.

They are not Fans. They are Owners who are worried abour loosing 50 mill every year.

YNWA
Harry scousser


Things I blame the owners for (because they are not blameless)

1) No stadium progress
2) The farce that was last summer. Sacking Kenny was knee jerk and set a dangerous precedent. Not having a replacement lined up was amateurish. Doing it all on Boston left a sour taste in the mouth. The club should not be run from Boston, we're bigger than that. The leaks from Dave Whelan and from managers who turned us down (including Rodgers). They clearly backed down on the plan to appoint a DofF to secure Rodgers after everyone else knocked them back.
3) Sacking everyone and his dog 12 months ago midway through the season.
4) Appointing Rodgers was a mistake.


14 Feb 2013 15:22:01
Do you think in this condition any owner should be looking for a new stadium?
As a club our seaosn has been awful coming third year. why on earth do you think they would splash the cash for the new stadium.
Instead they have injected huge amount of money to purchase players and attain CL.
and common mate at 150 mill. You should attain Cl. No matter who you are and what you do. simple as that.
Likewise the owners the players, the coach. the manager too have a responsibilities towards them and that's giving their return.
They are businessman, who run their living fund their living through business.
Liverpool Fc is not their passtime activities.

Sacking KK was imminent.
carling cup is a medal. but let's be honest. their first aim is to be in Top 4.

Do you think rafa, macnchini, Harry redknap, or arsene wenger will remain at their clubs if they fall out of Cl?

{Ed002's Note - The stsdium situation is already clear so that can be put to one side. Benitez will be leaving Chelsea in the summer when his contract runs out. Mancini may well also be moving on. QPR are not in the Champions league and Wenger will be an interesting one to watch.}


14 Feb 2013 15:24:38
Owners are not to blame. they are clueless of football. who sanctoined the deal what KK and Commolil orderd.
You think any club apart from Liverpool Fc whoa re out of CL. will buy downing for 20 mill and caroll for 35 mill?
You would have dead if Levy was our owners.
Who did not increase 5 mill to get Diamo from Inter.
yet AVB is doing what he is supposed to do.


The owners cannot be blamed for the stadium- they are pushing against an absolute mass of complex planning legislation and interminable delays.
If anything they should be applauded for their patience.

I would agree that BR has significant flaws as a manager, but before slating their choices, you also have to look at which managers were available and willing to take the job on last summer, because there weren't very many.

The fact is they've backed Kenny and then BR heavily in the transfer market, and neither managed to achieve top 4 or even close to that.

Fact is, if they'd kept Kenny on, he would blown all the available funds on more average players.

The only way I think they were at fault, and this may be a mitigating plea for BR, was in not pushing harder to sign Sturridge last summer, because that would really have made a difference to the season.


14 Feb 2013 15:28:53
dude do you have an idea how much money you recieve if you qualify for Cl.
40 mill approx. that's an enormous amount of money incoming year and year out. which would be enough for any club to improve their sqaud every year.
plus other revenues from TV rights. etc. ,.
also new deals with new brands. if our clubs performs well.

Just Imagine If barca decided not to sell messi for 250 mill met by Anzhi.
how much would they earn keeping him with them?

CL and the money is very important for a club like Liverpool.
and any manager who fails to deliver this. should be sacked. no matter who you are.

simple as that.

Give the owners CL. and they will pump you the money you want.


This thing about Kenny blowin all the clubs money is a total myth. If you look at net spending, Rodgers has spent more!
Kenny was manager for 3 transfer windows and his net spend was around 50 million.
Rodgers has been around for 2 windows and his net spend is around 55 million.

Signings take time to bed in (see Lucas, Henderson, Downing). Kenny was not given long enough. He only had one season of his 3 yr contract, the previous 6 months was as a caretaker manager.
Rodgers will spend more and be in a worse position on all counts after 1 season of his 3 yr contract.

I can't see him escaping the bullet, FSG have too much previous. {Ed002's Note - Dalglish's spending was offset by the Torres sale - largely he pissed the money up the wall. Like it or not he had been out of the game for a very long time, and whilst an ideal solution to settle the club for an interim period, FSG made the mistake of listening to the fans and giving him the job full time.}


So. if you don't make top 4 the manager should be sacked. So if we fail to make top 4 for the next 5 years, that's 5 managers you have gone through?! that's outrageous, I hope our owners have more sense than you lad
FowlerisGod


I am trying to press the 'agree with ed button'

Puzzled


14 Feb 2013 18:18:53
so you are sure. we won't get CL in next five year.
even I too think so. let's give BR another 10 years and 50 mill each year. to spend.
get a grip mate.
to be in CL. you need to be a CL material.
BR is not such a manager.
simple


 

 

14 Feb 2013 13:10:56
Just a bit of fun before tonights game.
The temperature is going to be well below zero.
Martyn Skyrtel should be able to advise what to wear having played for Zenit in the conditions. So
Which Liverpool players will wear a short sleeved shirt?
Which Liverpool players will wear gloves?
Which Liverpool players will wear tights?
Pepe Reina will wear gloves and a long sleeved shirt but will he wear tights and a woolly hat?

kidmillions


Gerrard will ware short sleaves no gloves

R


In my opinion they're off their heads if they go on in short sleeves! Its Rodgers who should worry about the cold though because he won't be running around a pitch for 90 minutes!
Cheers,
LS7.


14 Feb 2013 13:54:39
Skrtel will wear a short sleeved shirt - but has asked if he can wear only a vest or even no shirt because he doesn't feel temperature or pain. This will happen even if he doesn't play. Infact, he has already been spotted last night in Russia wearing only boxer shorts and sandals.

Jolly Red


Top Jolly. Red. lol

kidmillions


14 Feb 2013 19:11:44
If we were playing at the south pole, SG would not wear gloves. he once said that his dad would be mortified and simply wouldn't allow it!

sivy1001


 

 

14 Feb 2013 13:04:32
I'm just going to put this out there. Football is simple, there is no need to complicate things. Coaches should play a style that suits the players to their best ability, and slowly bring in players that suit the style that the coach wants. Whether it borini or carrol, the coach aquires players that they think will benefit the team to their style. It's well and good to keep possession and tiki taka and whatever you want to call it, but if it doesn't work change it, if it means we win. BR just needs to sit down assess the team and the players, see where we are progressing and what is not and see what has to be done so that defense and attck complement each other.
That's how I feel about my beloved game I don't think we need to worry so much about bringing players left right and centre but to get the most out of what we got, because someone made these guys proffessionals so they should all know how the game works. Sorry for the rant that's just my thoughts
Uruseb


 

 

14 Feb 2013 12:47:12
Another up and down season for us so far, hopefully we can finish strong and have good run in the Europa league. Then when the season is over review our situation, personally torn with BR, he has us playing good stuff and I would like to see a level of stability at the club, but sometimes feel maybe some help is needed. With regards LFC approaching someone like ancelotta, I'm aware BR said he wouldn't work under a DOF so what capacity would someone like he take? Or is it possible FSG could review it end of season and enforce this on him? Anyway good luck this evening to the lads, let's get back to winning ways! End the season with a Europa league final! (fingers crossed)


PM


Final, I want to win the thing!

Keith


I just think Amsterdam is the perfect City to have a Final.


Still waiting for the "up " part of the season.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 12:44:05
Could FSG be ready to go for the special one if he gets sacked by Real Eds?
Just heard a whisper this morning. He may see it as a great challenge to prove how good a manager he is by winning the league with Liverpool FC. Expect D'Maria, Alonso and Coentrao to follow him.

Brad {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about any of those four being at Liverpool next season.}


What like you told us not to hold our breath about saurez coming ed?

Sorry couldn't resist a dig lol

Mourinho is a very real possibilty IF the board decided to part with Rodgers. They have shown how ruthless they are at Red Sox where they have dismissed managers swiftly so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Rodgers could go if our form doesn't improve.

Despite what Ed002 will have you believe we are not broke in the slightest, as demonstrated by our significant spend last month. If we couldn't get Mourinho it would not be due to money, if would be because he didn't want to come.

Man City and Liverpool are Mourinhos only 2 options. I cannot see him and abramovich working together again at Chelsea despite what the media says.

If I were the board I would cut my losses, get rid of Rodgers and go all out for Mourinho. The extra millions it would cost to sack the entire backroom team and snare Mourinho would be recouped in champions league revenue which the special one would almost guarantee every year.

The board need to think big and be ruthless. Rodgers is INEXPERIENCED and it is showing with his laboured team selections, tedious optimistic post match praise on the team even when they've been poor and his inability to deviate from his one-dimensional tactics forcing players to fit his system when it is clear it will not work.

He has had ONE moderate season in the EPL with swansea and this does not warrant one of the biggest jobs in world football. I am not being negative I am being a realist.

The guy is too young, too inexperienced and too one-dimensional.

Go all out for Mourinho. He is not motivated by money and I feel he would relish the opportunity to be the one that turns things around for us. We need to at least try to get this man while he is available.

Rodgers is not ready. We are going to lose some big players this summer and then everyone is going to say how next season is a transition. And then next season we are not going to get top 4 and lose more players and then everyone will say the next season is a transition. Before you know it 25 years will have gone by "in transition".

We need an arrogant, ruthless, experienced, charismatic, intelligent, big personality and that man is Mourinho.

Think of it like a business guys. If Pepsi were looking for a new chief executive would they employ a 2nd rate inexperienced, young apprentice or would they seek the best in the business?

We have become the laughing stock of the world let's be honest. We need to be taken seriously again and the sure-fire way to do that woud be to get Mourinho. that would make people like Ed002 sit up and take us seriously.

{Ed002's Note - I don't ever recall saying Liverpool are broke and what I have consistently said is that the owners will continue to support the manager within reason - which is what they have done. As you may or may not be aware they are one of the EPL owners looking to drastically reduce transfer spending through gifting - regardless that they have done more of it than all but Manchester City and Southampton this past year.}


Um I really don't want to embarrass you by sifting through the archives and quoting you on the amount of times you have implied that we are broke.

"Liverpool are losing 1 million pounds per week". does that ring any bells with you?

You have suggested countless times that we have little in the way of money so to say otherwise is simply quite embarassing.

Reas through the posts before you think about posting some sarcastic clever little reply.

You have explicitly said we couldn't afford Mourinho and explicitly said that you believe the owners couldn't finance another backroom overhaul. READ THE POSTS.

{Ed002's Note - You will not find a single post where I have said Liverpool are broke. Liverpool have been losing £1M a week as a business - are you denying that? The accounts showed a loss of £50M over the year so I think you will find I was absolutely correct with that. Are you denying that loss. Fortunately the owners have been picking up the tab for that. I have never mentioned anything about a "backroom overhaul". So was I wrong about Mourinho? How is he getting on at Liverpool.}


Um again I don't want to embarass you but a £50 million loss for a financial year does not mean we are "losing 1 million pounds per week". there's a distinct difference.

You can't just divide the total loss for a year by 52 weeks and then sumise that we are losing a million pounds every week.

You are quite ridiculus aren't you?

I've heard the rumours about you but I never thought they were true. wow.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 12:40:16
I would be utterly disgusted if we sacked rodgers after a seasons and started again, it would be a joke. Things take time, you don't build a profitable business over night and you can't build a succesful football team over night. Changing managers is not the best way, changing below par players and ones that make mistakes then yes that would be more beneficial.

JD


Really though we shouldn't be starting projects, Liverpool has a good name and can attract the best managers. we should be getting the best managers who have won things, not stating 4-5 year projects. Question, when ferguson goes, do you think the likes of martinez and rodgers would be interviewed?


No, neither Martinez or Rodgers would be interviewed for the United Job, and their is a simple and clear reason why. United have been and continue to be one of the most successful clubs in the last two decades. Managers will be lining up to have a chance to be part of that success, which in spite of all our wishes, looks set to continue for years to come. Liverpool, on the other hand, were a successful club in a similar vein to what United now are. Unfortunately now for a long time we are no closer to winning a league and do not show signs of doing so. Yes we have been moderately successful in the last ten years, but, and this is crucial, for whatever reason no manager has been able to have us at least even challenging for the title, consistently. It may be that a 'project' is what is needed to build the right mentality in tandem with a squad that can achieve the 'Holy Grail' of a league title. This is of course not what a supporter wants to hear, but, in our case a large dose of honesty is needed. We are no longer 'a force' in the game no matter how much people wish to delude themselves. Instant success is not going to happen for us. Patience and support are the best attributes we can display to the club at this moment in time, in the hope that both will be rewarded with the success they deserve. That said the right mentality could start by winning the Europa League.


And it gets better in favour of all that ed was saying. Cardinal Appiah Turkson from Ghana who is seriously in the running, well people his first name is Peter. I kid you not.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 12:02:58
A REALISTIC HOPE FOR NEXT SEASON.
We need to keep our ins and outs to a minimum to try and maintain some stability after all the upheavels of recent seasons.

Outs in the summer Reina, Downing and Carroll
Ins in the summer
Erikkson. 1 in 6 scoring midfielder, 3 in 6 assists.
Ince. 1 in 3 scoring wide player.
Ngoo. Powerful frontman if we need to change things.
Keeper. Trapp or maybe Schmeichel.
After sales of Reina, Downing and Carroll = £30+ mil
Erikkson, Ince and a keeper = £40 mil
Skyrtel will come back stronger after his spell out and Kelly, Wisdom, Coates and Robinson will all be another year older, wiser and more experienced to provide good competition and back up for places.
I don't want to see us wasting money on defenders when we are crying out for more goal threat to take the pressure off our defence.

Forwards: Borini, Ngoo, Suarez, Sturridge, Ince.
Attacking midfieders. Coutinho, Erikkson, Sterling and Suso.
Engine Room, Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Henderson
Back Four. Skyrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique, Kelly, Wisdom, Coates and Robinson.
Keepers. Trapp and Jones.
I would expect this squad to score 70+ goals in the Premier next season and be in the top 4.

kidmillions


First off Liverpool are going to find it hard to hold on to suarez with no C/L 2nd Erikkson want to move to a club playing in the C/L plus would like to play in Spain.

Key for Liverpool will be to hold on to there best players if they do not make the top 4.


Whilst Eriksen would be a top signing by liverpool, I still feel like one of our priorities would be another top striker. If you look at Utd they have 4 strikers which all score goals. Atm we only have 2 (that are any good) so I feel a 3rd is vital. The reason our midfield looks so week is because of the lack of runs being made in the front line creating space. Notice how much better henderson, gerrard and suarez play when sturridge makes runs pulling defenders all over the place.

The epl seems to be about who can score the most (look at utd, they've conceded almost as many as us but scored a lot more).

Therefore another striker I feel should be our priority. Look at how toothless we looked against WBA.


When will people get it through their heads that Erikkson will not be coming to Liverpool. Its never going to happen. Deal with it and move on.

BrisbaneLFC


We need to sell Borini and Carroll and get a top striker. A centre back is also a must and a strong defensive midfielder. We are seriously weak and rubbish against physical sides.
A new goalkeeper is also a must as Reina's time is up with us.
Red PG


 

 

14 Feb 2013 10:57:14
Do lfc have any intrest in football players because all I ever see is no intrest to everyone {Ed002's Note - Of course, but all people are doing are throwing up random names of players who are good in fantasy manager games or those who played well the previous evening.}


Ed any chance of Heskey?!?
LS7.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 09:25:20
Kidmillions mate Fergie didn't succeed because he only got time, Fergie succeeded becauese he got unlimited money to spend, just find some information mate, at that time fergie was spending money like Chelsea or Man city are doing now compare to other teams. Fergie success is based on spendig big bucks no because of time.

Today when teams like Chelsea or Man city spend 30-40M in one player everybody is shock or complain they are trying to buy the league but forget to mention fergie was spending those figures on one player in 1990s-2000, I repeat fergie was spending 30-40M in one player in 1990s-2000.

Ferguson was appointed manager at Old Trafford on 6 November 1986, since then he went to break every British transfer record untill abramovich arrived in england. That's how big Fergie has spent to bring success and trophys at united.


NB - Liverpool have outspent SAF's United in the EPL era. So, what was that about 'buying the league'?

Gav


Seems like you missed my point.
I never mentioned money, I agree Ferguson has always spent big.
My point was Ferguson was given time (and money as you say) but that time was running out, united fans were unconvinced and it's been well documented that he was on brink of getting sacked till Mark Robbins scored against Forest in the Fa Cup 3rd round.
"Hence my statement that they gave him time, but only just " his time was running out fast, Have a think how much that goal changed the course of history?
You can have all the talent in the world but you need luck he's proved to be a great manager but he's also a lucky bar-steward.

kidmillions


14 Feb 2013 10:33:36
where is the 150 mill we spend in past 2 seasons?
are they not enough to reach top 4?
or a bigger figure?
Sir alex. is an outstanding manager. its not always about buying the players. Its about managing also.
lets give roberto martinez. 150 mill. can he win the league?


Completly wrong and untrue Gav, get your facts straight


Gav a much better way to compare then spending over 20 years, would be which club has been the biggest spender on a year to year basis. Hands down the answer is United. You were "buying" titles long before Abramovich mate.

Melbourne CFC


28m veron 2001 18m van nistlehorse 2001 of the the top of my head now we broke our transfer record 2004 cisse 14m and it needs to be pointed out wages being paid out to attract players that are getting sold as their contracts are running down utd can offer much bigger wages just ask vidic evra jones. the money came into the game 1992 and made you a power you would never have been the only question I ask has it destroyed the game to the point were its unsustainable in todays society with a lot of working class families struggling to make ends meet. unable to relate to players thinking they are gods with there socks up over their knees like girls no for me the likes of carra are a dying breed. Tommy Irish Red


14 Feb 2013 11:42:56
Kidmillions, apologies if i'm wrong here but did you say fergie hadn't done anything much before united gave him the job in your op? If you did I would have to disagree, he won the title with aberdeen breaking the old firm domination, he also won the cup winners cup I think with the same club and was scotland manager for a while, so your comparisons between him and br are. nonsense. So it wasn't a gamble by united getting a young manager in, he had a wealth of experience. And to the manc whos trying to make out he didn't spend. much, your clueless lad. Go check the signings he made in his 1st season.

Waro


Yes, and rodgers dosnt deserve that amount of time, we are well backward this usar, becouse he dosnt have clue on substitutions, and no plan b, a complete mánager should knw, have to solve a game wif plan be or c, we has 1 carrol, and he throw him out like rubish, If os a clever mánager then he would uses him, make him score few goals, and i'm sure, he Night deside 2 keep him, or sold him wif better price, how uf going 2 allow our player shows their value, loaning him on not better side than our side, and expect him 2 prove better and value more, noo this suppose 2 be our plan be or c, no clue, and end up losing gane to west brom.


Waro: I didn't say any such thing, also you can't tell me anything about Ferguson, mate, right back to the days when he got sacked at St Mirren over making a womens job at the club a nightmare. Ferguson was found guilty at an industrial tribunal.
With the citing that he Ferguson was a petty man.
When Jock Stein died and he took tempory charge of Scotland he took Willie Miller and Alex McLeish to the World Cup finals ahead of one of the best centre backs in World football at the time Alan Hansen.
On the plane home after being eliminated Daglish argued that same point over Hansen with Ferguson and they've never got on since.
I know all there is too know about Ferguson mate.
So give your head a wobble before you post to one who knows and
stop calling people clueless it just reflects badly on yourself.

kidmillions


In my opinion there is always a certain degree of luck if a manager succeeds or not.

Utd had a good crop of young players that came through at the same time to add to the experience they already had. good planning/management or just luck? Probably a little bit of both.

If we would have won the title in 08/09 would rafa still be in charge? Would we have held on to our top players that left the following 18months? Or if we were sold to other investors other than H&G would rafa still be in charge and would we be sat top of the tree?

We should have won the league ion 08/09 but didn't and it has been a rapid decline since May 09.

The thing that Utd did which we didn't was invest in the infrastructure of the club when all the money started pouring into the game (which is slowly ruining football IMO); we sat still and didn't have a good business man looking to the future in charge of the club. The extended their ground and corporate facilities generating huge income which can be spent on players. What did we do. basically nothing!
We will get back challenging again but we are going to need a little bit of luck!
GGK


Waro: Just read your post again:
Apologies I see you said the manc
I jumped the gun and thought you were calling me clueless.
It's the stress of supporting Liverpool at the moment, I'll have to get my blood pressure checked.

kidmillions


No probs Kidmillions, I have done that myself, and if you read the first line of my post I said apologies if i'm wrong. I was posting from memory and obviously I was reading a similar post from someone else.

Waro


14 Feb 2013 13:50:50
To all you fans thinking you know best, I agree with gav. In terms of net spending we have spent more than Man United in the EPL era. Even just in terms of gross spending we have exceeded them. Imagine where we'd be if that money had been spent wisely.


14 Feb 2013 14:46:08
this is modern football like it or not but money talks we just can't have 3 seasons of transition at the same time our rivals are spending big bucks or are finding gems from the other league. all our star players might really love lfc but they will not stick around for that much time because sadly not every player is carra or gerrard. so if a better and a experienced manager is available we should make a move for him.

Ayush


Lol

Where have I said United or SAF haven't spent money?

Do people understand the difference between spending money generated from within the club (built up from previous successes) and a billionaire spending his own personal fortunes on a club that his money has no direct link to?

Depends how you interprate the phrase 'buying the league' really! So in order to win the league but not be said to have 'bought the league' would you literally have to do it by spending ZERO money? Don't think that has ever or will ever happen!

There is 1) spending sensible amounts which come from club profits and then there is 2) spending hundreds of millions over a couple of years, whilst the club is operating at a large loss - I know which one I see as 'buying the league'!

Last point, United have taken plenty of abuse/banter since Ronaldo left about being in debt, being skint, not having money to spend on players etc. etc. (and I'm fine with the banter btw). But if we are talking 'net spend' as many Liverpool fans like to we haven't spent that much as a club since the Ronaldo sale! Yet SAF has managed to win 3 EPL's since then and been to a CL final. So when people come out and try to discredit what he achieves by linking it to money - you are being hypocritical - as I bet you are the same people who have been gloating that we were skint and had no money to spend!

The fact remains Liverpool have spent huge sums of money (much more than Arsenal for instance) and have never won the EPL once! Apparently it's so easy to 'buy the league' yet Pool can't even manage to do that!

Good day to you sirs.

Gav


P. S.

Carroll £35
Downing £20m
Hendo £16m
Suarez £23m
Allen £15m
Sturridge £12m
Borini £10m
Coutinho £8m

etc. etc.

Don't b!tch about money when any half decent manager would be able to achieve plenty of success with spending like that! Compare that to Arsenal's transfer spends and they still finish above Liverpool every year.

Gav


 

 

14 Feb 2013 09:09:04
Hii ED's. Nothing to do with Liverpool transfer, just a doubt. Can 2 different players wear the same jersey number? I've seen T. Muller and Rafinha wear the no 13 jersey for Bayern Munich!

Is it possible?

Vam The Red {Ed002's Note - The can have different numbers in the European competitions than the league.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 09:01:37
i can't see anything else but a heavy loss tonight
im going for 3-0 to zenit

i don't think the players are up for it as much as the home side

but it will be good to see some other players freshen up the team and get some experience such as allen or borini

arron


Never mate, the season over there haven't even started yet, we may loose but never 3-0 don't be out of your mind. zenit is extreamly overrated and that's good because the players will take it seriously.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 08:45:55
Ericksen? Yes he would fit well at LFC - yet another useless midfielder who can't score goals. With Downing, Ericksen, Allen and Henderson we should net all of 5 goals a season from midfield.


I kind of agree, he has played in ajax, I mean even babel is having a great time over there.
i bet Suso would be world-class in holland aswell if he wasn't our player and many clubs would want him.
Eriksen fails to shine in the big games, an at his national side he is still yet to do something special.


Yeah all players that come from Ajax are useless, especially if they came to Liverpool.

That Suarez bloke is dire.

Redfellar


Well that suarez fella was 23, 3 years older, a well proven international from uruguay who has performed greatly in the worldcup and copa libertadores.
Don't think we spend 23 M because he was proven in Holland!

Please think before you post, kuyt was one the most profilic goal scorers in holland but not in englAND.


I simply can't see eriksen coming!


14 Feb 2013 14:38:22
i would rather save that money and buy a good proven goal scorer especially if suarez leaves some one like villa
, lopez etc.

Ayush


 

 

14 Feb 2013 08:36:20
As an indication of how much we battered west brom, people are rightly saying they were some of the worst player performances ever for Liverpool, but explain to me how we still managed to dominate the whole game even though we were appalling?

Anonymous woolback


Because west brom had a plan to take pressure and catch us on the counter, it worked. There game plan worked ours didnt, they won we lost, but take your stats to bed with you to cuddle with them.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 07:43:19
Liverpool will beat the rubbish out of Zenit tonight, PERIOD!!

LionRed


You must be american. Tommy Irish Red


Or he's just on the blob

the brain


No I'm South African. just got a bit too excited for tonight's game haha sorry for that. I just have a feeling we're going to beat them! I seem to be the only 1 tho

LionRed


Sorry man didn't mean any offence it just sounded like the way americans talk that's all let's hope we get the result we want ltr. Tommy Irish Red {Ed002's Note - And I am American of course - but I wasn't offended.}


Thats good ed 02 wouldn't like to offend you either are any other american. Tommy Irish Red


As an American who lives in America, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone use the word 'rubbish' here. I'm also still trying to figure out why being 'pants' or a 'muppet' is an insult, but I suppose that's a question for another day. {Ed002's Note - In England pants are trousers and shorts are pants. In Scotland pants are troosers and they don't wear shorts at all. "Muppet" is from the French and has a silent "t", so mupp-eh not with a hard "t" as in the Muppet Show.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 06:55:19
Everyone seems to be getting carried away with the Eriksen rumours. Granted he would be an excellent signing if it happened. However the list of clubs that are supposedly interested in him and his apparent desire to go to Spain makes me think it will never happen.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 05:09:42
Ian Rush

Liverpool debut 13th December

Liverpool 1st goal 30th September. The following year

Thats like 10 months before scoring

Rush scored 14 league goals in before joining Liverpool, Borini scored 15 league goals

Ruh is 5"11 Borini is 5"11

Borini has only played a handful of games, has only scored 1 yes but have a look at one of the greatest strikers in our history

Dont be too hasty in writing off Fabio he might turn out to be a that "bew Inzaghi" Italian mystro many in Italy predicted him to be

YNWA


14 Feb 2013 09:54:05
Haha mate trying to defend Borini by comparing him with one of the Greatest strikers of all time. Good for you mate if it keeps you happy then why not, if it keeps you believing Borini will score 30-40 goals season after season like Rushy then why not. From now we should start comparing every Liverpool player with past players we might go and win league sooner then later. Eg Allen with Souness or assaidi with Barnes etc etc


For me he is another player getting played out of position he is clever playing through the middle imo making runs in the channels suarez borini downing I would like to have a look at if sturridge is out again through injury are suspension. Tommy Irish Red


Well if they're both 5 ft 11 then Borini will definitely go on to emilate him!

Gav


They both like jelly babies = Borini to be Anfield legend.

Mr Logic


He's not comparing the two in the sense that Borini is going to be the next Rush. he's saying don't go writing him off. Nobody knows what he could become, he's saying the same with Rush. If we wrote of Rush the same as people seem to be doing with Borini then obviously we wouldn't have a legend to call Ian Rush at our club.

Redfellar


I would compare him to the two first team forwards we have bought most recently- Suarez hit the ground running and Sturridge did likewise. Borini was a starter at the beginning of the season and nothing I have seen from him suggests he will score goals like the other two. Others may go on about him being injured and not having a chance to show what he can do but I would say they are living in hope rather than facing up to reality.


Rush barely got a game when he first came from Chester, in fact if I remeber rightly he wanted to leave because he was getting a sniff of the first team, but Sir Bob talked him around and he stayed. So not a very good comparison is it. If you make your debut then don't get back in the side for 6 months then logic dictates that you won't score many goals because your not playing! It's not rocket science is it.

Waro


Larry the tramp in town is 5. 11" borini is 5. 11"


 

 

14 Feb 2013 04:54:05
thoughts are with the families of the 5 Dortmund fans killed when their plan crashed while landing at Donetsk airport,

2011


RIP great fans of a very good club. Tommy Irish Red


Apologies everyone that was me who hit the disagree button trying to scroll down the page. Terrible tragedy R. I. P.

Waro


 

 

14 Feb 2013 03:57:22
We should not buy attacking players who create a lot, But players who score.

For Eg : L. Baines, he is a LB but scores a Lot, Shawcross, Huth in Stoke etc.

They chip in with goals.
Similarly, AM should not only create but score goals,.

None of top sides rely solely on Strikers to score. and we normally play 1 uptop so need players who score.

We create enough but do not score a lot.
Players we have bought.
Borini. does he know where Net is?
Allen, good player won't score a lot
Assaidi, Coutinio, again 1 to create

Only DS is one who can add goals. so if we are going to spend big, spend on goals and not players who will create.

Rem its not 1000 passes that win you games its scoring one more then oppoenents.


Don't know why this post has god so many dislikes.

It's true, we need to invest in goals as that's what wins you games people.


Baines 16 goals in 6 years? Wow lots


 

 

14 Feb 2013 03:36:56
What are the notable free transfers in the summer? {Ed002's Note - There will be hundreds and hundreds of players out of contract - and "notable" is an entirely subjective term so there is no way practically for me to answer.}


 

 

14 Feb 2013 03:16:39
Hello fellas,

Many guys are linking C. Eriksen with Liverpool in last few days (in last few years, to be accurate). I didn't see any Dutch game in last few years. How do you rate his ability at the moment? Would he be used as a starter right after the transfer? In case it will happen in summer.

And another small question. What is your opinion about our defensive line future? Seems like 3 of 4 CB will be gone in next transfer window. Do you think that in this case at least two will be bought? Aren't you afraid that it will negatively affect Liverpool game, at least in the early season, where we could lose a chance to compete for top 4?

Greetings from Lithuania!

JJ/LT


 

 

14 Feb 2013 02:37:35
out
Skrtel £16m
Carroll £15m
Downing £9m
Suarez £40m
Pacheco £500k
Spearing £1.5m
= £82m

in
Manager; Carlo Ancelloti
CB; Angelo Ogbonna £16m
CB; Stephen Sama - promote
AM; Christian Eriksen £20m
FWD; Stevan Jovetic £26m
FWD; Alexis Sanchez £23m
GK; Kevin Ray Mendoza £1m
= £86m

. Reina.
Johnson. Ogbonna. Agger. Enrique
. Gerrard. Lucas.
. C. Eriksen.
. Sanchez. Sturridge. Jovetic.


So reina stays suarez goes that's a good plan not. sanchez bit part at barca jovetic has had a serious injury is he that good now question would have to be asked. would eriksen come to us without cl. we need a new left back enrique is good cover for that pos but he is much better further forward imo. Tommy Irish Red


14 Feb 2013 10:08:03
out
Skrtel £15m
Carroll £15m
Downing £10m
Pacheco £500k
Spearing £1.5m
Assaidi £3M
Coates £6M
Reina £10M
Borini £8M
= £69m + 15M Owners.

in
Manager; Carlo Ancelloti
CB; M. Sakho £6m
CB; Amerobiata £7M
CB; Stephen Sama - promote
CB; Kelly -Move from RB
AM; Christian Eriksen £22m
FWD; Alexis Sanchez £23m
FWD; L. Bapisto £3m
GK; Ter-Stegen £10M
CM; Diame £4M
Total:= £85m

. Ter-Stegen.
Johnson. Sakho. Amerobiata/Agger. Enrique/Agger
. Gerrard. Lucas.
. C. Eriksen.
. Sanchez. Sturridge. Suarez.


Am I the only one on here who is absolutely fed up with muppets posting the players they want in and out
fforestfach red


14 Feb 2013 10:38:16
no dude. even me too.
what an excellent list.
11 outgoings. and 7 incomings.
meaning. Liverpool will be the only club in transfer market?
how on earth did he guessed sanchez and jovetic to join us. without probably not even in the europa league?


Has the new version of championship manager come out???


Why would we still be playin a 433 if rodgers isn't manager?


Rodgers will be manager whether you like it or not, its a long term plan, not half a season with the youngest squad in the league expecting crazy things like you unrealistic fans.


 

 

14 Feb 2013 00:55:19
Any Serie A experts on here? Ed's?

Anyway is there a reason why Roma nearly loaned Stekelenburg to Fulham on deadline day? Has he fell down the pecking order or is there a deeper story?


Heard it was because two spanards in cb and a commuication problem

Pardoe


I watch serie a football I am from malta.
the pace in italy is different than how we play, I would say defenders have better chance players like chielini to play in england. midfielders and attackers are not up too speed.


He's been awful for roma is my understanding


14 Feb 2013 10:39:02
similar to borini. surely we going to bid him too.


Borini was excellant for roma, don't speak out of your bum pleaSE


9 goals in 24 games for Roma.
FowlerisGod


 

 

13 Feb 2013 23:51:29
I can't believe people are slating Rodgers tactics against WBA they didn't manage a shot until the 82nd minute! The 2 games before we outplayed 2nd and arsenal both away, we went to anfield believing our own hype and then our crowd was silent it was eary imagine being in a room of 45000 people and there being no sound! Let me ask you this if would would've scored would the singing of broken out? Are we an 'only sing when were winning' side now? 2 steps forward 1 back that's progress, remember this time last year we went spiralling downhill at this point and barely won a game. With sturridge fit were a completely different side and without we are the mid table side we have been fir 3 years or so.

Swampmonster


But when they did they manage to score 2 out of 3 shots they got says it all


 

 

13 Feb 2013 23:20:59
Can my fellow reds fans help me answer these questions?
What is happening to Liverpool FC?
Is this the weakest LFC team of the past 10 years? The weakest squad of the past 10 years?
Weakest manager of the last 10 years?

What is the Rodgers system?
Is the 're-inventing' football like KK said?
Why is Carroll at West Ham when we have Borini?
I am not criticising, but as a fan I have right to question. Once a Red, always a Red but we should not trun a blind eye to everything?

Please fellow reds. help!


I can't really help you with your questions, but I will add this - we are certainly experiencing the weakest level of support for the last 10 years. Negativity is at an all time high and hypocrisy is off the scale.

Liverpres


14 Feb 2013 07:11:08
caroll doesn't have a future in the system BR plays.
Borni is not upt the standards to be called as a genuine striker.
Caroll is KK purchase. and Borini is BR.


Jaysus how can anyone disagree to a fan merely seeking answers to relevant questions?

Talking about burying the head in the sand and seeing or hearing no deeds!

I would like the same answers but I have a feeling these questions won't be answered for years to come.


1) We're in a massive slump. We've had wreckless owners who threatened the survival of the club (see Portsmouth). Now we've got clueless disinterested owners. It should be no surprise that lack of stability and direction at the top filters into every aspect of the club.
Our manager is inexperienced and has brought a coaching staff that are completely out of their depth.

2) Worst squad for 10 years? I don't know about that. We have players who are massively underachieving but for me this comes back to the manager and coaching staff.

3) Rodgers system? I think it's a myth that you can explain it in a few sound bytes but his basic ethos is possession is king.
It is common for people with more experience to know it's not what you've got, it's what you do with it!
4) Re-inventing football? Well, he's not, but he is a victim of believing his own press in thinking he can out wit some of the more experienced managers.
5) Carroll has very limited football technique which is Brendan's pre-requisite. He has attributes- physical presence, height, heading ability, but Rodgers does not play to these attributes. So Carroll would not work in Rodgers style of football.
Borini is just a poor signing.

We have fallen into the trap of believing Rodger's spin. However, the league table doesn't lie.


14 Feb 2013 10:41:05
BR system is pretty much Unique.
If you win. Players are doing fantastic. and we will look for top2.
If you loose. players have given their whole soul in the pitch. they have been fantastic again.


14 Feb 2013 11:18:41
dude. don't complain the owners. yes they are clueless but not disintereested.
even a school boy kid would havenot sanctioned 35 mill on caroll, 20 mill on downing, and 18 mill on henderson and allen.
I mean how can they sanction it?
and they are actually regretting it now.


To the guy replying with numbers and without signing,
all your words, every single one of them are complety wrong an you have no idea what so ever, talking without knowing is like being a donkey. are you a donkey? I think so because only a donkey can't see even though results have been inconsistent we have out played most of the teams we have played and played the most beautiful football in years. a few signings, more support and we will be back where we belong.


Firstly, anyone who thinks name calling makes their point more valid is the one who is most like a farmyard animal.
Secondly, results have not been inconsistent, they have been consistently poor. We have not beaten a top 10 team all season. We were poor in both cups.
We scraped a result against Mansfield. Got thrashed by WBA away, Villa at home, Swansea in cup.
Who are these teams we're out playing? Norwich and QPR?
Finally, it is not very intelligent to abuse someone for not signing a post and then not sign your own.

Eeyore


 

 

 
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