Liverpool Banter Archive February 14 2012

 

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14 Feb 2012 22:29:01
Debbie edwards I.T.N News at Ten,talking about Glasgow Rangers plight=Blah blah,unheard of etc(and sadly true,couldve happened to us)But point im making is,she said-"A club as big as Chavski or LFC,by way of comparison.Whaaaaatttttt? Do your homework love.LFC are biggest club in Europe.And Along with Madrid,Barca,Celtic,and Manc U,oneve biggest clubs in the World.Rangers,and laughably Chavski dont come into it.F me aint even won Euro Cup!


Yeah but we aint won the prem our main trophy. I would give away the 5th euro cup for 1 prem


Sorry, but comments like this shows
why other teams fans are taking the pith out of lfc fans


Lfc are the biggest club in Europe Fact


To the original poster,

Rangers are in the Guinness book of records as the most successfull team in the world as they have won more trophys than any other team. you have listed our less successfull neighbours(celtic) as a bigger club? is this because you guys share a song?
Rangers won the european cup winners cup in 1972 so have won A european cup
Rangers have a fanbase that is worldwide and rivals most teams not all but most.
Do your homework before trying to kick a team when they are down. By the way i am a rangers fan first and a liverpool fan second before you start asking why i'm on this page


Lfc are the biggest club in Europe Fact

ITs not fact

Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world and europe is part of the world FACT


Lfc are the biggest club in Europe Fact

ITs not fact

Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world and europe is part of the world FACT


To the guy who said he would swap our 5th European cup for the prem title, I couldn't disagree more I'd never trade old big ears, best final I've ever seen and it stays at anfield now, no other club in Britain have one to keep so no way would I swap that cup.

Ashy


Know me homework thanx Gers fan.And i dont favour any of Old firm.Celtic have a huge away following,bigger than yours.Maybe cosve mostve Republic/US fans.And Your 72 win aint a European Cup,or ill make easy for you,nowadays-A CHAMPIONS LEAUGE cup!! And most trophies-ave a word with yourself lad-Arbroath Scottish Cup wins??You will find with Scandanavias overwhelming LFC support LFC ARE in fact huge in Europe.But are left behind "In World"perdantict plantpot-by Real,Barcas worldwide appeal,which includes other continents-doooohhhh


Rangers tiddleywinks tropy winners got loads


LFC huge in Spain also,obvious connections!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 20:18:30
Ed a question for ya, if kenny was to be sacked in the summer who would you personally like to see as manager? I know he will not be sacked but just wanted to know who you think fsg would go for..thanks ed padraig {Ed001's Note - I really have no idea who I would want if there were to be a change, sorry.}


Louis van gaal

peter


Remember when the eds were pining for sean o'driscoll, wheres he now?

Kop Bob {Ed001's Note - no 2 at Forest.}


Brendan Rodgers
Gus poyet
Hiddink
anyone but who we got now


Kenny dalglish


Joachim Lou

Kaizer


If Dalglish were deposed - and I don't for one minute think he will be, he has done a first rate job of commencing the restructuring of the squad, then his successor would probably be someone who is cultured and widely respected behind the scenes across europe. I peronally think Michael Laudrup would be high on the list of potential targets.


Have no desire to see Kenny go - I think hes doing a great job and this season has been sooooooo entertaining!
But, I for one would be pretty excited to see what Laudrup could do.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:39:56
Hi Eds, I trust you are all well.
Sorry, not LFC related.

What is the situation with Glasgow Rangers, read that they had agreed to go into administration (by mutual consent), what does this mean for the club?.
Also reading that from next season only 3 teams from Italy will qualify for Champs League, and that the previous 4th spot has now gone to the Bundesliga.

The information about Serie A attendances (per game) is really quite something, it truly is a league in crisis!.
It would seem that Juve's decision to scale back and build a 46K capacity stadium, was the smart thing to do, and further I believe that their top 3 or 4 players get paid no more than £70K a week.
I believe that building 'super stadiums' in this time of financial crisis, really is a model for disaster.

I appreciate you views and opinions.
Take care, best regards Shankly's Red Army. {Ed001's Note - I am not sure if I forgot to tick a box when I answered this earlier and so didn't post it up or if it was just posted more than once. But I couldn't see it on the page so I will answer it again.
Rangers are in serious financial difficulties, they are on the verge of insolvency so have entered admin as an alternative to liquidation. The idea being that the administrators find a way to turn the club into a profitable business. Usually they come to an agreement to pay just a percentage of the company's debts off and write off the rest.
I understand what you are saying about the stadiums, but Liverpool are in a different position, the Premier League is still strong and attendances warrant a bigger stadium. Juve, on the other hand, were seeing a trend of falling attendances and knew they would struggle to fill a bigger stadium.}


Hi Ed01
Many thanks for your response and for the information, it is greatly appreciated.

Yip, the Italian sides seem to be in a real pickle financially, interestingly enough the only club who actually own their own stadium is Juve (I have always liked them as my 3rd team, after LFC and Celtic).
The stadium is brilliant, and they have built a massive shopping centre and recreational / entertainment facilities as well, which provides additional revenue streams, as well as providing jobs (which I applaud).
Think the Juve stadium complex would be interesting for fellow Reds to have a look at.
Regards and thanks, Shankly's Red Army. {Ed001's Note - that is what we would want to do, if possible. But it is very difficult to do that in the UK, we just don't have the space around the stadiums.}


Interesting posts lads.
Ed001 you'll know, maybe you too Shankly's Red Army, of the "Football Quarter" project inspired by LFC and EFC fans.
It's no more than blue sky thinking, but still quite interesting to read. Would be awesome if it ever came off.
The Real KB


A football club going into administration is - for want of a better word - little more than a tax dodge. They lose 10 points - so what? All their debts go will be written down quite significantly with the exception of outstanding tax. They were probably going to finish runners-up this season, now they will definately finish runners-up. The only two black clouds are if they don't get out of administration by early summer they own't be able to play in Europe. And Black Cloud 2, greater worry that has caused this - a system known as Employment Benefit Trusts - whereby a club pays a portion of a players salary to an off-shore trust where the player cannot touch it until a set date in the future to avoid high-rate tax. HMRC has now declared this illegal and in retrospect and wants all the tax and the tax is not written down in the debt re-scheduling. This actually pushes Rangers' bill to over £70M and unless they find a way to clear that tax bill tthen at the end of theoir administrative period the tax man will liquidate them and recover what he can from fire-selling all their assets - players, ground, property etc. Again, so what. Well the so what is that HMRC is now investigating similar EBT schemes that are being used by 8 large Premier League clubs - and it wants the money. Rangers is the start of a crisis that could easily engulf a fair few EPL teams yet as well.


{Ed001's Note - that is what we would want to do, if possible. But it is very difficult to do that in the UK, we just don't have the space around the stadiums.}

We do in Stanley Park.


Does anyone know who pays wages in a similar way to what Rangers did and which EPL clubs are being looked at. {Ed002's Note - My understanding is that (a) all EPL clubs have now returned the Revenue's questionnaire regarding the use of trusts and the payments of expenses; (b) a number of EPL clubs are already negotiating a financial resolution; (c) at least one EPL club has already settled with the Revenue and is now in discussion with them over some rather more trivial issues that will require a number of players to make settlements; (d) at least one Championship club has settled a small amount; (e) at least one EPL club cancelled additional perks (free tickets to games etc.) about 18 months ago following some discussions with the Revenue over another issue; (f) There are a number of clubs that made payments in to Trusts; (g) two EPL clubs have settled a separate matter related to the payment of money related to the image rights of a player who has represented both side; (h) that the Revenue are not simply looking at trusts, but at all payments made to and on behalf of players.
There have been instances in the past where players have been paid via offshore trusts, limited companies for services rendered to the club and in tax-exempt oil paintings and cars. These were referred to as “loopholes” and they have pretty much all gone by the board now, although I know of one now ex-EPL player who was until recently being paid via his residency of Monaco. The clubs all realise that there is a need to resolve these issues and to settle because the consequences of litigation are potentially very harsh.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:44:50
I'm sorry but it says nothing on sky about Louis wants to leave. He won't leave at all. At the end of the day evra dropped his hand and that's it. Why would the other players like johnson etc... Even want to play with a racist.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:38:44
Why doesnt KK do a taggart and stop speaking to( Sky?


This would create an even worse situation. even though i hate those dogs at sky and i agree with you in the pitt of my stomach we desperately need to learn how to play politics in the modern game... say what you like about taggart but he does it so well... even though i hate the man with a passion he has learnt the political aspect of public life and we need to do that also as a club. thats why i would CREATE A PRESS OFFICE to deal with non-football related issues as i have said on an earlier post... liverpools manager in future needs to be left to the matters of football. if we create this situation at our club then he can dodge these issues and nobody could say a dickybird as he would only be following club policy. believe me this is the way forward and if anybody knows someone at the club who could suggest what i have said then please do it. it would not only appeal to me ego but it would help the club that i dearly love ;)

peter


Got nothing to do with taggart being great at politics in the modern game! It's all to do with success. Manutd have been the most successful club in the Premiership era.
Which has given Fergiscum Carte Blanche to do and say some outrageous things that other cubs and managers would be vilified for. Successful people are always surrounded by Yes People It's a fact of the modern World.
kidmillions


Original poster,good point Kid Millions


Hissing at the media only makes things worse a smart man would manipulate the media to his own end just look at how Obama does it, he makes stupid decisions on behalf of his illuminati masters but always ends up looking good


Didnt do Taggart any harm,ignoring BBC


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:37:05
Lucas for our next captain?

maka
YNWA JFT96


I was just having the same conversation with my mate there.

He fits the mould perfectly and he'll be old enough once Gerrard retires to command the dressing room.

GuvTOB


Absolutely - I agree.

LIVERPRES


Reina or Daniel Agger


I wud have agger.
Indian Buzzer


I think he'll do the Hyppia, take the captaincy for a couple of years after Stevie then if all works out it'll be handed do Coady.

RenegadeRed


Wow great suggestion i had never even thought of that but i think he would be perfect!

peter


Suarez for captain


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:35:08
Got in last night,Mrs.Watching Emmerdale-Piece on it slagged Scousers,and made comment were all theives.In relation to Scouse character in it.Er Wheres the racist watchdogs/Media now???


Make a complaint, about xenophobic remarks then, simple.

KNEE JERK


What? :S

BthekingB


Made complaints before,they dont seem to give a s it when its Liverpool(as a City)related.But say something un Pc in any other Genre,and the place goes nuts


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:29:38
Interested to see Toni silva go on loan to Northampton and set up the winning goal after beating 3 players.gutted though he won't be available for the next gen games-he is a very unique talent in my opinion and would have helped teixera settle in.


I think loan spell will help him alot. He is quite good and physically developed enough for first team. May be next season, we can see him play for us in first team games. YNWA


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:24:01
Different media outlets seem to be pressing different agendas, but I must admit the only one that has not delivered blatantly biased coverage of Liverpool (in particular) is ESPN soccernet.

I know there will be people who won't want to read it because it has the word 'soccer' in it, but if you really want football news coverage that avoids the anti-Liverpool underpinnings then I would recommend it.

By the way, great site Eds! You guys did a good job posting the relevant posts when I'm certain there were numerous vile ones.

Thanks!

CSeiling


Totally disagree - its an awful site based on uneducated speculation. Just the other day the main story was whether KK was going to get rid of Suarez. This was a re-hash of a speculative Daily Fail article that said Suarez MIGHT be on his way according to UN-NAMED SOURCES (ie. journalists). It said nothing of worth with no facts or quotes to back it up. It is one of the worst sites out there.

cozinoz


 

 

14 Feb 2012 22:12:07
Haven't been a good fan recently, found it hard to see anything Liverpool recently. All media is bad. although I understand why Suarez did what he did but by god it was the worst thing he could of did.

However this posts was intended for another player, Lucas Leiva. Quite frankly we have missed him more than we missed Gerrard and Suarez quite frankly due to our formation, recently when watching it there's seems to be a missing link, Lucas was basically the link he linked Defence to the Midfield and allowed the Midfeild to press forward but when he got injured I thought Spearing could fill the gap but he can't, he's a typical terriar of a DM he'll tackle anything to come near him and like Lucas he kept our defence impenetrable but alas theres something in his passing game that is a miss.

Gerrard and Suarez are better players, but with the formation we play without Lucas its too defensive and I think we can see that in our goal differance no goals scored, no goals conceded.....we've turned in to the opposite of Arsenal but at least there fun to watch (for non-arsenal fans)

-McMenemy


Sorry Mac you obviously watched the game on saturday! their 2nd goal was down to Spearing! how can you say that he's kept our defence impenetrable? but i agree about his passing though! shocking at time's!


Lucas' passing usd to be even more shocking. Can anyone remember those days? Players develop and evolve from game to game. Spearing is going through such stage.

BooDaBooze


Spearing isn't developing he's pants and if he wasn't a local lad wouldn't get a game. the lad is shocking, when Lucas first arrived he was played out of position and was getting use to the physical side of things and was still better than Spearing is now! people need to get over this obsession of having local lads in the squad and backing them to the death, yeah would be nice if he was a decent player but he's not, he wouldn't get in any other squad in the top half so why does he get in ours? Can't coates play dm if my memory serves me correctly.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 21:49:51
r we in for RVP??? if we r not then maybe we should....... cuz wid our current squad we will never...... ever reach the champions league


And you'll never...... ever be allowed to celebrate when we do.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 20:24:30
Hey Ed, what is your honest opinion on why we have heard nothing yet on the stadium issue. It would appear from posts during the last few months that an announcement was due. Is it that we are just waiting to finalise contracts or do you think we are as far away as ever to a resolution?


And has any naming rights negotiations been affected with unfortunate recent"publicity?"


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:47:13
Ed do you reckon there is any chance of liverpool putting in a bid for Nene of Lyon {Ed002's Note - I rather doubt it, he pays for PSG.}


I realized and sent in another message like a minute later which hasn't been posted


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:52:51
I would not have shaken Evra's hand. His own actions and use of the 'n' word on YouTube in 2004 against another black player suggests it's ok for him to use the word but not anyone else to him ie pot and kettle!
Ferguson encouraged Evra (a player not respected by his peers) into the refereee's room after the League match at Anfield and since has absolutely milked the situation.
Why are Utd thanking LFC for their appologies as none were made to them or Evra personally.
LFC were right to apologise for their actions in getting matters wrong on the day. Personally, I would fine Louis as he made an on the spot decision not to shake hands with Evra which made KK look foolish and the Club arrogant.
2009excaptainLFC


United fan here.
Look, Evra is a windup merchant and if he played for any other team, I'd probably be no fan of him.

But the bottom line is Suarez made a racially unacceptable comment to him (he admitted this, just denied he meant it in a racist way). Liverpool FC have handled this entire debaucle terribly - if you hadn't worn the Suarez tees, the storm would've toned down a little.

If Suarez had shook hands, the whole thing would be old news by now.

He didn't, and your reaping the negative attention as a result. This whole mess is the fault of Luis Suarez and the club's ill-advised attempts to support him.

Evra, far from innocent in all this and was clearly taking the urine after the game - didn't particularly like that, myself. But end of the day -STOP PASSING THE BUCK.

LFC have dealt with this entire situation like an amateur football team with no clue about PR and the politics of the game.

RED_SKY


Suarez didn't use the 'n' word as people are making out. What he actually said translates to "hey black man, whats wrong?" You decide if that's a racist comment, a witch hunt was then carried out on a player because he had become unpopular with other teams for becoming a 'diver' etc, don't forget this is a player and a man than has been branded a racist when his grandfather and other family members are black. Despite this Suarez should have shaken his hand got on with it and let the football do the talking. Thats what he's paid to do. He let Kenny down when he didn't shake his hand, made Kennys support of him look foolish. Kenny to be fair was ill advised on a couple of things and left out to dry for a while. The 2 things that should never have happened are the t-shirts incident and when luis came back kenny saying that he should never have been banned in the first place. A lot has been learned and expect non-football issues to be handled differently from now on with the intervention of FSG. I expect both manager and player to be there at the start of next season, but you never know.


Sadly true post above,and from a Manc!


Have to agree with the Man Utd fan in most respects, although the last sentence may have been a tad over the score. Move on or blame LFC for handling it all pretty badly, but lets not try to blame everyone else anymore.

Rugby Parker


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:44:05
Sorry ed posted lads meeting for Bevvies on wrong page


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:42:17
KB ive jousted with you a lot on here.Are you staying over for Wembley weekend.Thought we all could meet up for few bevvies


Whose asking, on Valentines Night too ?
Lol.
Is that SBN from Spurs ?
The Real KB


No a Red KB me and mates staying in the smoke,if you want a bevvy


Yeh I'll be bopping about mate
The Real KB


KB meet up with the Soccer Express lads-GEt our venues and itinary off them.Be a laugh


I'm working and living down London way, so don't need coach travel. Where are you boys going drinking around Wembley ?
The Real KB


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:27:15
ed's, macca- do you know or have you heard any thing regarding kk future, or any up to date news, regarding players in or out. rather than players people would like to see? thanks will


 

 

14 Feb 2012 21:28:23
Why doesn't anyone have any realistic rumours anymore ffs, the s**t on here at times must be posted by Man Utd fans, or LFC fans are living in a computer world and need to get out more!!

Happy Valentines day


Beggers


Probably the latter!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 21:22:57
Worst Yellow card I've ever seen in the Barcelona game for Castro. Did anyone else see it?

Lyndon


Busquets barges into him and the other bloke gets a yellow card Shocking!
Busquets as a bit of form with been a tad over dramatic.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 21:12:41
if u have any doubt in Luis Suarez watch this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p71Irt572as


 

 

14 Feb 2012 20:50:29
Makes me laugh all the journos an press moaning about kk and suarez let me ask every single person on this site 1 question.
If you had been lied about and had your name dragged through the dirt by a man who you believed was not telling the truth and then punished and stopped doing the thing you loved for a quarter of the season would you then shake the mans hand?
i wasnt there and cant say what was said between the 2 men but if you believed you were wrongfully treated as luis believes he was can anyone really blame him for not shaking hands???


I support Suarez all the way and while I agree with you and can understand his actions, I'd actually shake the other person's hand to show that I am higher than him and whatever he threw at me.

Keith YNWA


You are missing the point - he misled Kenny and the club. Poor decision and it has reflected poorly on the LFC.

LIVERPRES


I would have picked my nose with it, scratched my ar$e with it, cracked one off in the bogs with it, and then shook his hand with it.

Sean


I agree with Keith YNWA

Kaizer


 

 

14 Feb 2012 20:21:56
we have a good squad but if we want to get a place in the top 4 we must invest in 2-3 good players who will give us an end product. the only difference between us and united the other day was that they had players capable of changing a game. it pains me to say it but even berbatov has more goals than our top gaolscorers.
G*


So to bridge a gap if 4 points for fourth place we Need 2-3 players right 20-30 million. So by Your Sums How many more Million would we need to win the Champions League. Say another 60 million!! SO 90 MILLION to win 30/40 MILLION!! Focking Brilliant!!!


I honestly believe that the same amount of people we are away from a top 4 squad, we're away from a title winning side. The gap is far smaller than everyone would have believe. If we do manage to find that elusive game changer, and the team finally clicks like it should have done, don't be surprised to see us in with a genuine shot at the main prize! NextGenRed


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:34:01
First of all I have to applaud all Eds for putting up with a load of non sense these days.....Over the past year especially since the Hodgson era, I have noticed that we have had a flood of fairweather fans who are only interested in 4th place or big signings or discussing whatever they read/see in the media......

Now, I have observed Liverpool a lot in the past few games sometimes even watching a match 5 times to see what is actually missing....

I have to admit there is not a lot wrong with the personnel we have......We have certainly bought good players and even though they have cost us a bit more than we would have wanted they are still very good buys.....I hate people who say we should buy A, B,C and so on.....The players are certainly good and its just tht some are lacking confidence (Downing) while some are learning (Henderson, Spearing)...The y will surely do well....I strongly feel that we dont need major surgery come summer and will have a very good season next year....We will of course add but we should not let any of the current guys leave for footballing reasons.....

I watched United at Old Trafford last week and I realised the difference between them and us.....The answer is WIDTH....They are so good when it comes to using the width of the pitch and trying to win the one on one situations and the fullback/winger combination play is also fantastic......
Downing and Kuyt were the wingers in the front three but they were clearly occupied by the opposing and attacking fullbacks in Rafael and Evra.....

This has been a theme all season where
1. Our wingers do not go wide enough to stretch the fullbacks.
2. Very few of our crosses are attacked in the BOX by our players and very rarely it happens that both the near posts and far posts are attacked when a cross comes in. The fullback/winger on the other side too does not expect the ball to be missed and usually stays back for fear of a couner attack.
3. We seem to run out of ideas in the final third especially when there are men behind the ball.
4. Our build up play is too slow and it is noticeable that quite a few of the chances which have been created have been architected by Pepe Reina.
5. The ball should be moved a lot quicker and off the ball forward running needs to be more purposeful.
6. Another aspect that has pathetic this season is our free kicks and spot kicks.

We should have a coach who should work on forward movements and coordinate with Steve Clarke as to how can we be more inventive in the final third without greatly compromising with our defensive orgainisation

Ed, I know that Steve Clarke is fantastic at defensive organisation but what about Kevin Kean? What is he good at and what does he bring to the table?....

LiverBird
[Please do not read/respond to unnamed/unsigned posts] {Ed001's Note - to be honest I am not entirely sure myself, I know he is highly rated, but I have yet to see any kind of evidence of what he does bring to the table. But I will ask and see what the players think of his qualities.}


U obviously have to much spare time on your hands if you can afford to watch a match five times


Liverbird oh that makes it clear who you are


Very sensible post but you have forgotten one thing, the size of the OT pitch. United have been trained to the dimensions of the pitch and therefore know how to fully utilize its width. That's why they are so effective at home and the teams that do beat them there completely destroy their midfield (Silva, Toure & Barry - 11/12) (Gerrard, Mascherano, Lucas - 08/09)
Besides that, spot on mate
NextGenRed


Our system (or the one clarke brought with him from Chelsea) is easily negated by a 4-4-2 that pushes their wide men high up and and our two cm - in front of the dm - don't gamble with forward runs
We do not play a system that utilises natural wing play ala spurs/Manu - our systems relies on the fb to act as the winger in the third
We leave our Lone striker too isolated or we play with the 2 supporting players who are not skilful to link up cleverly with the striker or be able to put balls in behind at back four - it is always played in front
The slowness in our build up play is down to a lack of confidence / lack of pace / lack of understanding between players
Just was how many times our player will pick up the ball in a good area have plenty of time because no one is closing him but he will still look up shrug his arms play it safe and cut inside / pass back to skirtel/agger/reina or just punt it long in hope
The 4-1-2-2-1 is how we set up and then without the ball it goes to a 4-5-1 but find it difficult to attack from this defence set up due to the lack of pace in the team - hence our build play looks slow
We do look sharp with interplay when bellars and Suarez play as they can pass and move intelligently and bring other players into the move quickly
It is this aspect hendo/downing/kuyt struggle with hence the abuse they get - their lack of pace / quickness of mind and feet / first touch / skill and ability take on players - let them down but on the flipside they are often tireless is their defence tracking duties hence why they get chosen ahead other more creative players
Only need to watch a game once and this becomes pretty obvious

Leam Red


@Leam Red
Yes, I did notice that Henderson, Kuyt and Downing keep the ball far too long with themselves before passing to another team mate and often its a square pass instead of a forward one....

But again why dont we try to get the ball forward as fast as we can instead of preferring a very patient build up....If I am alert enought our build up play has slowed down considerably than the start of the season??

Is the unavailabilty of Lucas a factor there??

@NextGenRed
Interesting thing you talked about the width of the pitch.....

Does that mean that Old Trafford has a bigger pitch than Anfield?

LiverBird


If they are trained to be better at Old Trafford, then we shold be the same at Anfield.

Kaizer


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:39:12
As the teams stepped on to pitch last Saturday; Evra had his hands down his shorts scratching his balls!
I ask you, "Would you shake his Hand? :)
kidmillions


That comment's a bit cheesy kidmillions mate.
The Real KB


Well Suarez is a hand full ! {Ed002's Note - Not what I heard. Just a pair of tweezers required.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:32:21
Oh for Peter Robinson and John Smith at helm of our Great club.A well run club is a Succesful club


Everyone can look back with rose tinted glasses. I was there every week in those good old days when Liverpool were winning everything in sight. What were man united doing back in those good old days? Building,building and building. They had the foresight to build their off the field enterprises. We did not. They exploited the commercial aspect. We did not . Don't give me that everything was godd back then. Some of us used to watch man united building for the future and say that we should be doing just that. They have reaped the rewards . We did not have the foresight to do what they have done. Mr Robinson and others did their best but failed to capitalise when we were on top. Robbie


Well stated Robbie!


They went into debt and also used the New at the time Sky Money, they gambled and won and got their reward.
Do admit that after Hillsborough instead of redeveloping Anfield a new ground should of been built and the budget for new players increased. We sort of sat back on our laurels. If only we could see round corners eh:
kidmillions


Original poster agree with Kidmillions.But Moores was slow to replace those people,with the CORRECT people.Who was grey haired fella rose through ranks,next min he'd gone?Co k ups started,and lackve foresight,after those guys left.But Manc u never built great.Advent of Sky a lot to do with their success.ON top right time,rest history


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:29:06
think kenny was half tanked saturday . the reason i say this daily manc had in yesterday
. that andy gray got married in gloucester on friday and they said kk was among the guests . what time did he finish and its hardly ideal preparation for a sat lunchtime game considering how far away it is.

alan waddle {Ed001's Note - Gloucester is only a couple of hours away!}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 19:20:18
Blackadder sums up downing perfectly - he started badly, tailed off a little in the middle and the less said about the end the better, but apart from that he has been excellent.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:46:37
Lucas will be fully healed in 2 months. It will take another month to get full fitness. He might be able to play in the FA Cup final, if we get there.

BthekingB


Know where you are coming from but IF that was the case just give the lad until next season, why risk a injury or a reoccurance of the same injury and lose him for rest of next season.


I wouldn't put it past Lucas, would be amazing recovery.
kidmillions


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:31:59
Is it just me or is Old Whiskey Nose full of double standards slagging Suarez off and saying what a disgrace he is to Liverpool Football Club and that we should get rid of him, I m not condoning what Suarez did but I seem to remember a certain French man doing a Kung Fu kick into the crowd and bringing football into disrepute and as i recall i don t remember Mr Ferguson or Manchester United parting company with him in fact he got a heroes welcome on his return from suspension so I think he should take a good look at his own club and his own standards before having such a big opinion about ours. Forever in our shadow. YNWA


Ferguson is the biggest hypocrite around. Look how he was disgusted at Suarez not shaking Evras hand but slur alex did the same with Wenger not long ago.


Fergie refused to talk to BBC for I don't know how many years Sky passes the brown packet and what do you know Utd can do no wrong. But believe me when the invesigation is finished with the papers it will be Sky's turn next.

Bobbinred


Still blaming the rest of the world ? Sad doesn't even come close


And i believe he did not sell keane when he deliberately broke a players leg ,or ferdinand when he deliberately missed a drug test ,or rooney for sleeping with whores and for telling every england fan to f**k off,or for st giggs for cheating with his brothers wife ,or ferdinand for refusing suarez hand !the man is a joke ,he has been bringing the game into disrepute for a very long time with his refusal to do interviews ,undermining refs and his comments this week has caused even more trouble.time to go fergie !


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:29:25
Downing : 'I've just had a good idea for strengthening the team.'

Kenny: "Good! When are you leaving?"

Just a joke to cheers us up plus he deserves it after United game.

MJ


Everyone played crap on sat. no one showed any determintion which i put down to suarez antics and kennys tactics. we should go all out every match.


Haha good craick fair play!

now repeat joke, only replacing Downing with Johnson/Hendo/Adam/Kuyt/Carroll - sorry couldnt resist ; )

Gav


Can't for the life of me think why the lads confidence is shot to bits. He hasn't had the best of starts but for fecks sake, can we not get behind the lad and support him instead of kicking him while he's down.
The Goatherder
JFT96


 

 

14 Feb 2012 18:14:44
I know its not Liverpool but give a thought to Rangers fans that could of been us last year. Hopefully your club will come through it even stronger.

Cheers
mighty reds


Thoughts are with Rangers??
How about thoughts with people who go to work everyday and PAY THEIR TAXES If it was me or thee we'd be banged up.
Lyndon


Lyndon please take time to read the post properly i put thoughts are with Rangers fans its not there fault. Apology excepted. mighty reds.


Pointed accepted.
Mighty Red
Soz
Lyndon


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:30:07
Stewart Downing must be sold in the summer; and I would take £5-8m hit on him to rid his poor end product from our squad. Yes he tracks back well and play possession football in his own half but his lack of end product is alarming enough to warrant his end.

We miss Lucas Leiva immeasurably IMO, imagine a midfield 3 of Lucas, Gerrard and Adam played on Saturday instead of Spearing, Gerrard and Hendo. The midfield battle would have been won by us because we would have pressed and conquered instead of backing off passively which against 2 was a result of the lack of experience and confidence Hendo and Spearing.

If we are going to play this 4-1-2-3 formation most of the time then what we need is to add at least 2 players with pace and mobility. One should be capable of playing in the "2" (with good attacking & defending ability) and the other as one of the wide men/up front (with plenty and goals in him). Red Owl


Spearing will never be a player who can cement his place in our first XI, but he can be a useful squad player with his work ethic but playing him in big games might not be the best of ideas. Henderson seems running all over the pitch but he lacks the courage and confidence to make a tackle & win the ball Unlike Adam who won't hesitate but end up being caught by referee. Lucas should give some tips for them on tackling & covering the defense. 3-man midfield with Adam, Hendo & Stevie is the best option with Adam playing a free role. I would like Stevie playing the free role but Adam lacks the defensive discipline to provide cover unlike Gerrard. And Hendo he is an average talent but has the potential and sometimes show some nice touches, vision & passing but not good enough to play in the free role. He & Stevie will sit back with Adam upfront.


And How Much would you of Sold Lucas for 2 years ago!? You Kneejerker.
Go on say it "oh No I've always said he would turn out brilliant" try a bit of Support for say a Season at least!!!


Not sure Spearing is likely to be a first choice, but to be fair I'm glad we had him to cover after loosing Lucas - there is a lot to be said re the iffy passes etc, but i'm pleased he's in the squad for the moment. If Lucas was fit he'd not be getting the games anyway, at least we have had him to fall back on. I'd be more concerned that we are missing that cutting threat 18 - 24 yards out where we can't seem to create anything or take a meaningful shot on goal (woodwork and opposition keepers aside).

Any wiser thoughts than mine, happy to hear them...

Put it this way; £20m budget (including sale of existing player) who in, who out?

Suffolk'n Red


This is NO knee jerk.... Downing is 28 yrs old in July! How can you compare that to Lucas who was 20yrs old when he arrived after playing in a different country thousands of miles away and living with a completely different culture. He deserved time (years!) to adapt.

Downing on the other hand was bought as the "finished article" specifically because of the amount of chances he and asstits he has created in the league over past 5 years. He was bought with the understanding that he would more likley than not fit in straight away and hit the ground running.

He does not try to beat his man EVER...has no assits or goals...has done nothing special and has missed the target on so many occasions that it looks like the pressure is too much for him.

I woud swap him for Mclean from Sunderland if it was at all possible and maybe O'neil is the man to get Downing back to his best...

Red Owl


14 Feb 2012 21:13:13
for those that are finding little faith in stewart downing here are his opta stats comparison for last season and this season so far. quite an interesting breakdown. they are pretty consistent with last season apart from the assists conversion, but then the whole squad haven't been close to hitting a barn door so far! his stats are very similar to last year for which we bought him for. a combination of bad luck and low confidence seems evident....

www.eplindex.com/9937/downing-running-out-of-chances-opta-stats-comparison.html


He was playing very well in the same League less than a year ago!! Maybe playing him on the opposite wing would be better!
Lyndon


Donovan has been at Everton about 5 minutes and has already got 5 assists.

Compared to Downing's no assists or goals all season, I think that says it all.

He needs to make up his mind quickly whether he wants to play for a top club or not. If he doesn't produce between now and the end of the season, I don't think he'll get the chance to do it next season.

redmersey


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:27:55
I think there are lots of reasons why Liverpool are not performing consistently but here are some key reason that I find:

(1) Rotating & Changing the starting XI too often.
I think this is the root of this inconsistency problem. I knew for certain reasons we cannot play the same starting XI week nd & week out. But Kenny seems too much experimenting. Also there seems some favoritism towards players like Downing & Henderson. Players Like Maxi, Kuyt & Bellamy needs to be ahead of these players. (only wrt to there performance when they are on the pitch.) May be due to their old age & special cases like Bellers they might not be able at this stage but if we want to win & go forward consistently Kenny need to play his best first XI regularly. Unless an injury or fatigue problem arises. On Carroll & Suarez, think Carroll has been doing very much fine in last matches but then again he is being left out the other match, play him & Suarez regularly the will blend into a great partnership, let them play together & develop otherwise it won't change the current situation.

(2) Not having a strong leading figure to lead the team, I know Pepe is a world class keeper but he is a Keeper & Goal keepers doesn't always make good Captains with the fact that they 'll be at the back always. & with fact Pepe has a playful personality so may be he lacks something as a captain. Though there are some great Goalkeeping captains the likes of Casillas, Oliver khan etc.. We miss Carragher & Stevie G, Carragher will always be shouting and will have a commanding presence if he is on the pitch, Stevie G on the other hand is an inspirational figure, people on their own follow his leadership. But since they are not anymore regular 1st team players for certain reasons an inspirational commanding leader is missing from our starting XI, Kuyt & Pepe are elder players but that doesn't always make them Great leaders. there is no one who will stand up and lead the players and we miss such a figure most when we are troubled on the pitch. I Think if Lucas hasn't been injured he may the one who 'll show such a courage & leadership.. and Dagger should also be looked as a Captain...he sometimes show it.

(3) The new signings might not be understanding what it means playing for a massive club like Liverpool & what fans expect from them. Liverpool play to win every match not get a draw unlike the likes of Aston Villa, Sunderland. I see some of these newbies sometimes playing their socks off against Big teams (the type of game where they might be believing they are playing for Liverpool) and completely goes off against lesser teams (the type of game they might be thinking they/Liverpool will win without putting much an effort). This problem is the root cause of the disappointing draws we got against the likes of Norwich, Swansea, Stoke & Blackburn at Anfield.

I may be not an expert but these are my views on the inconsistency form of Liverpool so far this season especially in the league. I would be hugely disappointed if we miss out on top4, but the pain might be relived if we win the League cup/ FA Cup or hopefully both.
We are still very much in the hunt for top4 but beware if keep on with the current form we will surely miss out, unless we make a final push from now on. I don't believe we will end up being in 7th but if we did i would have some serious doubts over Kenny very much but still will give him one more season. Then tHe Europa, yes it is almost useless but playing in Europe also have some advantages even in Little bit. On the recent events I think no need of talking about it again & again time to move on, also no need of selling Suarez but if he repeats such a mistake again then of course he can leave. We have to improve the image of the club World wide, a considerable amount of damage has been done, special thanks goes to Media who escalated the situation against LFC.

Sorry for my poor English, would welcome the views of my fellow reds. YNWA! JFT96.


Personally it doesn't really matter to me what position the captain play's. I think as long as the other players look upto him,or at least respects him then he can play any position as far as i'm aomaconcerned. I think that's why Reina is given the arm band in Gerrard's absence. The way he dealt with Evra's shananigans on Saturday to me amyhow that he's a very good back up to Gerrard now that Carra seems to be third choice centre half. Reckon we've got a few leaders without the armband in Agger,Skertl,Adam when played and Lucas when fit. It's upto those guys to step up as well as the captain and show some leadership.
Jonson


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:25:17
********RIGHT GUYS********
Lets stop all the Manc handshake talk and focus on the future, So who do you think will play on Saturday and if Suarez plays how many do you think he will score.

MJ


None..........however, Sunday could be a totally different kettle of fish!
ANFIELDPETE


Crap thought it was saturday had my day set out and everythin...Bugger, Oh well make it sunday then.

MJ


I wonder if Suarez might not figure at all in the Brighton game:
maybe as a punishment for letting the King down?
Phooey


He will play Sunday...still none though


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:23:39
Ed002 will you be my valentine pet?

Mj {Ed002's Note - Sure.}


Not me ED...Sorry dont be to disappointed

MJ {Ed002's Note - Damn.}


I'm hurt Ed002, extremely hurt

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - I am sitting here waiting for you to wine and dine me tonight Chris. If you are not here in about 15 minutes I am going to go out with my wives.}


I'll never make it to Monaco in 15 minutes Ed! Anyway enjoy your night out, if I can give a bit of advice I always try to take the lovely lady wife out to dinner but bring home the slutty one.

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - that's where I have been going wrong. I take out the slutty one and she comes home a lady *sighs*}


Have booked a table for the wife and i tonight for valentines,hope its better than last yr,after 30 mins shed only potted one red,jimmybosun


But how do you know it's not the real MJ?

MJ


Wife caught me on the computer earlier and asked what I was up to,
"just checking out some flights" I replied.
At which she said
"oh I do love you, you're so romantic" and she dropped to her knees and gave me a fantastic blow job
Which was a little strange, I didn't even know she liked darts!

Chris in Tamworth


Take my word for it - SHE DOES!!!
DM


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:11:53
Can't help thinking that there a number of non LFC fans coming on here stirring the sh1t around KK - otherwise why not sign off your posts?

Suffolkn'Red


Correct , it is pointless reading a post unless it is signed and can therefore be applied to it's poster consistently .

I suppose it people just venting most of the time .

Qwerty


 

 

14 Feb 2012 17:07:09
Everybody keeps going on about form and confidence but the only to get both is to keep playing.I.E Andy Carroll this season short on confidence and form but Kenny kept playing him and now he's coming good.Personally i think we should keep Downing in the team to get the confidence/form we all know he's got.

king luis


If Downing ran down the wing and crossed the ball with pin point accuracy into the box i would play him but his constant cutting in and losing the ball is getting slightly annoying...Also his game against united made me feel like sticking Dynamite up his @ss so he would make a run he was just awful, Also Johnsons defending was poor and caused the first goal and spearing with his stupid pass gave away the second we need these positions sorted out immediately.

MJ


To the person who disagreed Johnson went right instead of left leaving Rooney all the space the in the world to score and Jay Spearing's idiotic pass (when he had a clear line to 3 other players) decided to attempt a nutmeg which failed miserably and yet again allowed Rooney a goal, 2 Gifted goals by stupidity I know Jay is a fan favourite but he has faults which for some reason alot of fans cant accept

MJ


I'm a big fan of jay spearing, But ive admitted numerous times that he shouldnt b dribbling in defences n he was at fault but its one of them things that he will learn from.

ACHILLES.


I don't think Jay is a fans favourite for his ability,as you put it,but we know what we will get from him, which is 110% work ethic.I for one believe he plays too many rushed passes forward,giving the ball away cheaply. And once he gets turned he's out of the game.I do however think that he his a good squad player for the time being.He will be moved on in time, probably when Coady gets more experience.Lucas is our best DM,and we are missing him.I would never slag Jay off though.He's committed to the Red shirt he wears, and that is a a fact.

Jiminy Cricket


I agree with you mj on the Johnson front and it wasn't me who disagreed with you.Jay Spearing made a couple of bad errors on Saturday but he's young enough to learn from them.

King luis


Spearing is crap mate. seriously if you think he is lfc standard then there is something seriously wrong!


Jiminy Cricket i agree that Spearing is committed to the Red shirt! but he's not good enough to wear it!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 16:41:43
i think kenny got out of the sh1t with the non hand shake , his team selection was poor , why leave your two top inform players on the bench , he left bellamy and carrol who in the last 3 games played very well between them they got the mam of the match awards , and with playing henderson , who i think will come good , the lad does not have the nouse or experience to play in the middle in such a game , charlie adam would have been the better player to play in the middle , kenny needs to win most games from now till the end of the season to have any chance of getting the 4th spot , even though i think its arsenals spot , unless kenny puts his best players out every game then im afraid he's not the one to bring us sucess , and we should get rid of camolli , and get newcastles scout , tiote , cabye, demba ba, and now papa cisse , , thats were we have gone wrong , i bet the money spent on them players by newcastle would not come to how much we paid for carrol , i know who i would rather have out of them players


Agreed.

The whole Suarez fiasco has diverted attention from our poor tactics and performance against Spurs and the Mancs.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 16:28:37
It's nice to see The Spam's journalists being arrested left right and centre over corruption charges. They're dropping like flies. Let's hope that before long, there won't be enough of the spambags left to make up the stories to print the rag. Their deputy editor was telling everyone that would listen that the real reason it had got out of hand was because the governmenet wanted to limit freedom of speech and have a state run media. And there was me thinking it had something to do with corrupt spambag journalists who were bribing officials and illegally tapping into the phones to print exclusive stories. Shows me what I know.

Don't Buy The Scum

Sean.


My big bro was a journo at one of the liverpool papers and he told me sunday they regularly gave £5 tips tp liverpool cops fpr tipoffs on stories,he said it goes on everywhere,


Imagine the Tips you'd get for a Five!!
"Stevie Gs Parked on a double Yellow line in the Car Park!!
Lyndon


 

 

14 Feb 2012 15:41:56
hello..friends i am from india..loves liverpoolfc from my childhood a big supporter but i i am feeling dissapointed not because of handshake..because i think its depend on person to person its not that big the media is making it but dissapointed withe tactics kenny is using very much defensive again poor team selection against manu no pressing from players , no fighting spirit nothing with my point of view he should look at his team selection and just leave his favouritism towards henderson and downing and start picking players who can really want to deliver like bellamy for big games he is best and he performed best till now..and i think 4th is not too far if we not get it and i think kenny should take some blame on himself for his poor tactics and favoritism selection of players..which is hearting our position in league..i would happy if we loose if we shw some fighting spirit but not like that on saturday really really hurts watching the match..always be red and will remain red thanks guys..if u agree..send this message to mr..kenny..


King Kenny is a PR disaster and is not up to the job. Time for him to go!


Well said . and spoken like a true red , the handshake story made everyone over look kennys bad team selection , i agree with you , bellamy and even carrol should have started , rather than out of form downing


Normally dont reposnd to un-named posts but you 3 are idiots.

The fact that the 3rd poster refers to the original as a 'true red' is laughable.

The fact that the 2nd poster refers to Kenny as 'King Kenny' but still wants him sacked is just stupidity.

Paul Mc


Bellamy is assessed on a game to game basis, he cant play week in week out! I got a dead horse, do you want to flog it? Maybe you could bring your broken record, and we could have listen.


KNEE JERK




KNEE JERK


Paul Mc,

I think your first line is sensational.....One of the best I have read in the past year or two......

You are correct.....We shouldnt be reading or replying to un-named posts.

Hence adding the message to my signature.

LiverBird
[Please do not read or reply to unnamed/unsigned posts]


The reason many people don't sign their names is because they would prefer others judge the substance of their comment, rather than incite ad hominem attacks from overly sensitive people who cannot tolerate dissenting opinion, or somehow consider themselves to be the "real fans".

It's not that hard to understand.


To the original poster, I am also from India and LFC fan, but let ma tell u one. Its not the manager who is showing favourism, its the fans who are just favouring some players and not favouring others. If u r true red u need to support everyone.

AJ


Very fair to say kenny should go, 7th in the league and champions league place is laughable, at least we have a cup final to go to where we can drink, have a good day and forget all our troubles for a little while. Hey there's always (our favorite saying) next season!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 15:00:44
Gents,
Let's stop getting our knickers in a twist that Luis Suarez is going to leave in the summer time. He is not, repeat not, going to leave anytime soon.
The reason for this is that for Liverpool FC, FSG, and Standard Chartered have all drawn a line under the whole saga and are now looking forward to focussing on striving for that CL spot. Even Manchester United have come out and said that for them the matter is closed and Luis himself has apologized for not shaking hands with Patrice Evra. So provided he doesn't do anything stupid between now and the end of the season, he will be still LFC come the start of the new season. Unless maybe he scores that many that Real suddenly decide he is better than Higuain or Benzema.
So lads, chill, it is now all water under the bridge and Kenny and Luis will now simply focus on football, as will everyone else. I for one, am looking forward to the lad playing more often and hopefully him notching a few/as many as possible goals up.
Eden Hazard
Have to get this one straight form the horses mouth, before it gets misconstrued badly by the time it gets to UK press. And surprisingly, the BBC have even reported that Hazard might have agreed terms with Tottenham, which is complete total and utter bull.

Hazard apparently stated that it is possible (when he was asked if he fancied going to Tottenham) that he could play for them, this is what he said in Dutch literally:

"Misschien ga ik naar Tottenham, het is in ieder geval een grote club", which translated into English means: "Maybe I will go to Tottenham, it is after all a big club". This doesn't sound to enthusiastic to me in Dutch and I should know I live there. Really what he is saying here is that there are other destinations I would rather go to. (Hopefully Man United is not one of them). Thing to remember here is that he was asked about a rumour of him moving to Tottenham, which had no substance whatsoever. He simply said, yep it could be Spurs, but we will see.

Weeks before he was quoted as stating in La Tribune which is affiliated to Extra Time (Belgian magazine):
"In Engeland kan ik het meeste leren. Je speelt er elke week een topwedstrijd en de sfeer is absoluut fantastisch. Het Spaanse voetbal ligt mij misschien beter, maar daar kan je enkel bij Barcelona of Real Madrid kampioen spelen. Voorlopig heb ik nergens een contract getekend en richt ik mij voorlopig enkel en alleen op mijn huidige club"
Which in English means:
"I can learn most from playing in England. There, every game is a top game and the atmosphere is fantastic. Perhaps my game is more suited to the Spanish League, but then I could only play for Real Madrid or Barcelona if I want to win titles. But, for now, I haven't signed a contract anywhere and I am only focussed on my current club."
So this says to me, I want to move in the summer to England where I can learn the most. If Spurs come in for me, I will consider it, but I have my own ideas about better destinations. Whether or not Liverpool would be a preferred destination is another matter. Liverpool has mega status in Belgium, a club with a huge reputation, so no doubt, he might hold a persuation for us if we are in for him. Might be possible, if a. we land CL football next season b. We can fork out 30 million c. He can earn around 80.000 a week, and d. gets regular 1st team footie.
City, United and Chelsea remain attractive, alternative-to-Liverpool locations.

Cheers, Andy W


Blinkered nonsense


I could care less about Hazard.

Apparently he is an egotist who thinks the football world revolves around his decision.

There are many good players out there.


Yes!! I would of thought it would be down to who offers the most money. Not who he decides to grace with his Presence. Does sound like a bit of a bellend!!
Lyndon


Hazard!If He was made of chocolate He'd eat himself!
Lyndon


 

 

14 Feb 2012 14:57:56
One of the things that drives me batty on this site is how easily people confuse fantasy with reality. How many ridiculous transfers did we read about during the window (and every window for that matter). As if it is so easy to just sign any player we want (Hazard to name one but, you can pick from a wide assortment of players) with no regard for the player's willingness to come to LFC, exorbitant salary demands and agent fees, the fact our negotiating position is severly hampered without CL (our brand and history only count for so much especially in an era of greedy, selfish players and in the case of foreign players, players for whom the history of LFC just doesn't mean as much...how could we expect it to?), etc. Yet, how often did we read let's just get Hazard...and we'll throw in Joe Cole or Kuyt. Why would teams overvalue our throwaways...do people really think other teams are that stupid to enter a deal that benefits LFC to the detriment of their own team??...mind boggling.

Similarly, this notion of finishing in 4th spot because after all, we are only 4 points away. Sure, 4th spot is a POSSIBILITY if ALL things go well but, the odds don't favour it. If you want to hang on to the possibility of 4th based on hope and faith, fair enough but, keep in mind it is a longshot.

The focus should be less on the 4 points we are behind...that's not nearly as important as the fact that there are THREE teams we have to overcome for that spot. Finishing ahead of all these teams is based on LFC suddenly, mysteriously and without any apparent reason, winning consistently and frequently...while ALL of these other teams suddenly collapse.

What has happened that will make the second half of our season any different than the first half? You can't just discard how our first half played out...rarely do teams have performances that are significantly different than what they did in the first half unless there is a compelling reason...last time I checked, we have the same squad and did not address our glaring deficiencies (an effective striker and/or winger) over the transfer window so, what has changed?

Why will our second half suddenly see us winning all of our games (and taking advantage of the opportunities that will inevitably come up) when there has not been a catalyst for change?? I hope it happens but, again hope is different than probability.

Just to put this in perspective, assuming 4th spot requires the very same 68 points that Arsenal got last year. From where we are today (39 points), LFC will need 29 additional points. To get these 29 additional points, LFC has to post a SPARKLING 74% win percentage during its remaining games...what is our win percentage for the 25 games to date?...40%...sure it could happen but, rarely do things just happen randomly...there has to be a reason for our win percentage to double...so, unless that donkey Carroll is going to step it up big time, I maintain LFC winding up in 4th spot is not a realistic outcome...don't be deluded by the fact that we are only 4 points off that final spot...unless something changes, we may as well be a million points away. The pace we are on over 25 games will net us 58 - 59 points at the end of the season. Not good enough.

Love the team but, let's face facts: poor decision making with the money spent in the summer. We can only HOPE we get another wad of cash (or an amount that resembles a wad) this summer and we can make some better decisions for next year.


Firstly we should have Stevie coming back into form. Don't forget he missed the start of season through injury and is yet to find proper form. We will hopefully have Suarez playing every game and also AC was showing some sparkling form before he got dropped last game, which i can't work out. Assuming these 3 players are playing together and more regularly all match I dp think we can achieve 4th. Not to mention that Chelsea and arsenal are not the teams they were and seem to be going backwards. My only concern would be Newcastle.
Just to finish off could you please tell me the win % rate for 1st and 2nd half of season for us from past few years as from my recollection we always finish stronger. And i think more so this year what with players gelling.

Taffytel


Well put and i agree with you we have to have a big turn in our form , we missed out by not buying anyone in the transfer window , because we drew with man city , beat man utd and beat wolves , a team that has just had their manager sacked , if kenny based not buying anyone in january because of the results then theres something very wrong , that we dont know about , weather its kenny or camolli or the owners making the desicion not to buy anyone , and as fans we should be told why we never bought anyone because the buys in the summer are not good enough and thats a fact , downing as actually gone worse , instead of better , even adam , henderson and carrol have put in good perforamances , but not downing and it brings tear to the eyes to think how much we paid for him ,


The arguments that we are still a team gelling after all the new signings or a team ravaged by injuries or that Andy is starting to turn the corner is nonsense...utter nonsense.

Carroll was not bought as a prospect but rather, to be slotted in immediately and to be a lethal scorer to replace Torres('lethal' based on his tally at NFC). Granted he was coming back from injury but, I think his grace period has long since expired and he has failed miserably...he just looks terribly ill-equipped to be the primary striker on a big team: doesn't use his size effectively, no pace, no touch, etc. All this talk of showing signs of improvement is not saying much when you are working of such a low base line...we have such low expectations for him that winning the occasional header suddenly makes him MOTM. Would you ever measure Stevie by such low standards??

This year, a CL spot has to be the absolute minimum...can you imagine a team like LFC being out of that competition 3 years on the trot...unforgiveable and a poor reflection on the players and management.


First post is bang on the money!!


Get of andy's back! Harry redknapp does a segment in one of the weekend papers and he was talking bout andy carroll and he said "you can see the vast improvement in andy already since he's been at liverpool,compared to wat he was like at newcastle" And thats coming from the next england manager so give it time mate he will become good.

ACHILLES.


Sorry to say ACHILLIES but Carroll scored 11 goal's by christmas last year for Newcastle! august to december that's 4 month's! how many month's he been here? how many time's has he scored? Do'snt Harry write for the scum?


 

 

14 Feb 2012 14:35:13
Just a joke to cheer you all up.
Anthony Worrell Thomson has a new show starting on tv it's called " Ready Steady Run Like Fook " :)
kidmillions


 

 

14 Feb 2012 14:00:04
Is it just my imagination but we seem to have had lower number of injuries this season (hope Im not jinxing now) in comparison with other seasons (esp the awful Souness years) and compared to some other team? So just wanted to praise backroom and medical staff for their contribution to this. Before I get shouted down I do know about Stevie G, Lucas, Johnson etc but Agger, Bellars (given their past and age) and the young guns seem to be fighting fit too.

Now for the silverware and 4th spot....

Keep the faith
YNWA
Scousehouse


It cant be a coincidence that weve had so few niggling injuries reoccurring. what happened to Lucas could happen to anyone. Looks like we have great medical/fitness staff.There's a lot more going right at the club than there is wrong.

Dara D

Dara D


 

 

14 Feb 2012 12:54:42
Dream team..
Gk) Reina
Rb) Kelly
Cb) Skrtel
Cb) Agger
Lb) Enrique
Rm) Hazard*
Cm) Gerrard
Cm) Lucas
Lm) Bale*
Cf) Carroll
Cf) Suarez

Subs: Gulacsi - Robinson - Coates - Shelvey - Henderson - Sterling - Agudelo*


I would have Pele, Maradonna and Neil Ruddock all in there too.

davethebutcher


Bale is certainly, no chance and Hazard seems like very unlikely. Agudelo, I really must say haven't heard of him since that training arrival. Don't knw, whether he is up to the mark. YNWA


Your a nut nut, if you even dream that bale will play for us.


Sorry mate, I would not have Carrol in my dream team.


Dave the butcher you've just made my week. Neil Ruddock oh my word.

Kind luis


How in the world did carrol get into ur dream team? If u really wanted a big man up front, think dzeko or llotente.
Indian Buzzer


Since its a dream team WHERES MESSI
Shanio1


Indian Buzzer Are u serious in saying Dzeko is better than Carroll, I saw many city matches and he is s**t.

AJ


Mine would be:

GK: Casillas
RB: Sergio Ramos
CB: Pique
CB: Thiago Silva
LB: Marcelo
CM: Gerrard
CM: Xabi Alonso
CM: Xavi
CAM: Iniesta
ST: Ronaldo
ST: Messi

I know the formation has no width but look at the quality passing players within the team.

Scouse_Pride


Razor, Razor, a better footballer than some people would have you believe.He should have looked after himself better but Imo he was a decent player.

woodi lietoyeh


AJ Dzeko is better than Carroll! i think a trip to Spec saver's would do you the world of good! it'll certainly open your eye's!


Dzeko has scored more goals than carrol. N he was the best striker in the bundesliga by a mile.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

14 Feb 2012 12:39:24
Hi to all Ed's fantastic site people.Just one question,How you think Downing has done so far??For me he has been very poor.Carroll seem's to be the no.1 target but i think that part of the reason Carroll is not getting the chance's to score is that Downing has been so poor.....YNWA {Ed002's Note - If you look back I think you will find Ed001 gave his opinion on this.}


I imagine the whole idea of Downing was to supply Carrol but tbf to him his service has been utter s**te not even close to playing to his strengths


Sorry for being a pain Ed's but first time posting here so how do i look back? {Ed002's Note - Scroll down the pages. If further back than a day or two, try the Search function. There is also the archive files.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 12:30:40
kk is a legend, but am baffled with his continued perserverance with Downing, who started the campaign poor.. but astonishly gets worse every game! Why not give raheem sterling a go ? Dont get me started about Glen Johnson!!


Raheem Sterling is not ready and Stuart Downing is like the only we have in the first team .

We just have to support the Manager , Kenny Dalglish will work it out soon enough .

Qwerty


Sterling isn't ready, Downing is only winger we have. Unless we use Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi on wings. I believe King will work it out, soon. YNWA


Nobody is "ready" until you give them a chance.

I suspect a lot of academy players could do better than Downing.


Ive watched raheem on a few occasions this year and have say hes head and shoulders above alot of player in the reserves in terms of ability. But only think he needs is to put abit of weight on possibly a similar physique as oxlade chamberlain.

ACHILLES.


How long do'es Kenny need to workout that he's crap? all this crap in Kenny we trust! and how big was SWP when he started? not much bigger than Raheem!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 12:28:16
Did any of you guys see the kid that done the suarez handshake on the city mascot? Thought it was quite funny
red-raj


Yh i saw it i just laughed
Taran


 

 

14 Feb 2012 12:11:52
In my humble opinion, let's get through to end of season then reassess where we're at.

The goal at the start was 4th minimum. Are we capable of achieving this? well we're making hard work of it, But realistically yes as we've still got chavski and arse to play.

We're already in one cup final and still in the other so still alot to play for.
If we win one, do well in the other and finish say no lower than 6th then KK will probably stay as we will have some form of european footy, although not ideal it's a stepping stone.

However any lower and sadly I fear Kk maybe relieved of his duties.
Poss candidates?
Rafa for one as I think he would flourish under these owners, plus he will feel there's unfinished business. Pep would be interested I think, Klinsmann, Klopp, Deschamps, even Joachim low. All play good attacking footy. My choice would be pep as barca is v much in the mould if lfc and with segura and borello here makes perfect sense. Just as he did at Barca b, he will find good talent and let it flourish.

Until then, What's done is done and cannot be undone, let's look forward and get behind the team as these are the players we've got till end of season, no 2 ways about it. Overall I like the way weve played but could raise the tempo slightly. I personally would let downing off the leash as he seems to low in confidence and needs to be told go destroy em. He's very talented and the best winger we've had since Barnesy but hasn't shown it yet. But he's got the ability and I believe in him.
My best team would be
Pepe,
jonno, skrtl, agger, Enrique
Bellamy, SG, Hendo, downing
Suarez
Kuyt.
People also forget that Diwnibg played alot in the middle at villa do that can easily become a 4-3-3 with SG sitting in.
On a final note must say we truly miss Lucas, get we soon kidda.

Guys, It still may well turn into a good season (4th and a cup or 2)
Keep the faith....

Sinner21


Don't think any of those managers you mentioned would be interested possibly klinsmann but non of the others


Surely no one in their right mind would want rafa back, apart from the truely epic comeback of the CL final he was utter dross or am I missing something?


With all due respect, if Klinsmann were to become manager of LFC (right after taking the USA job, really) that would spell bad news. He's.. horrific.

McSnuggles


Klopp would be my choice. If not, keep Kenny. Then take a hard look at Paul Lambert or Brendan Rogers a year from now.

No Mourinho, please.


Kenny is doing a great job dont need anyone else. cheers mighty reds.


How could you put Downing in the same bracket as John Barnes? Barnsey was a true Red LEGEND! do'es the poster who posted that comment know anythin about football?


 

 

14 Feb 2012 11:46:58
Im not saying we should get rid of Kenny but I defo think we should sack Kenny and bring back Rafa.

We would have won the league in 08/09 if UTD had got 5 less points.

Kenny has been great I cant really fault him but I think he has lost the dressing room.

When Rafa was here every man and his fish give their all for the shirt.

Rafa nearly won a second champions league and the prem.

Also he still lives near Bootle he never wanted to leave.

Only Rafa can turn Liverpool around,we have been in a tails spin since he and Alonso left.

Time to square the circle


Are you real? You don't want to get rid of Kenny but you think we should sack him? We would have won the league if Utd had got less points? You can't fault Kenny but he has lost the dressing room? Rafa would be great because he lives in Bootle?
Am I missing your sarcasm? Is it April 1st already? Perhaps it is just half term and you will be back to school next week, or have you started school yet?
I do accept that if we had 20 more points we would be top of the league however. (I think!)


Ya and who was the one who sold Alonso?

Rafa would of won the league if Utd had 5 less points? How about games at home to west ham, stoke and other lower sides that we drew because he failed to go for games instead he played these games with 2 holding midfielders - he sold Keane when he should of kept him at least for the season, he could of been the difference.

Rafa, a man who I respect for what he done for Liverpool - I still think he's not the right man for the job. The right man for the job is Kenny Dalglish and you say Kenny has lost the dressing room? Nonsense.

We have two huge games in the 12 days and we'll win both and you'll be back on here praising Kenny bla bla bla. Typical plastic fan which by the way I seem to come across a lot of on here, pathetic!


Support your team!! This isnt the Xfactor, u cant vote anyone off.. this is our team, our manager, our club.. Its in a renewal phase, working to a budget (ie not getting in to debt) were progressing..
Rafa was also the person that lost us the league with his 'facts' speech.. He also sold Alonso!
Dalglish is Liverpool thru and thru and while we might not have the best team in the league right now.. we are the best club in the world..
ItsNotRocketScience


Are you for real. Rafa lives in Caldy for starters on the Wirral. The reason we did not win the league was because of Rafa. Home v Hull City 15 mins to go game poised at 2-2 he brings on Lucas and leaves Keane on bench. He did that numerous times because he was stubborn. He forced Alonso out.

Also he forced our Crouch, Bellamy and lost us the final in 2007 due to his reluctance to bring these players on


There is no point is going back to a lesser Manager .

Kenny Dalglish is clearly the best man for the job .

Try supporting him - he has a 3 year contract , not a 6 month deal

Qwerty


He also won us a European cup and FA cup and Finnish second in the league and let's face it we were always looking for bargain buys so maybe with a better budget he could buy better quality players, when rafa spent 20mil he signed Torres and mascherano when kenny spent in he signed downing and Henderson.matt


How did you escape? Dark side of the Moon isn't it! Rafa lives in Bootle! Every man and his fish :) There's men in white coats heading your way! lol :)
kidmillions


He also won us the Super cup!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 11:39:47
Ed's is there a chance you could set up a banter page for my new team Prescot Cables. As i can no longer go along with the pro manc/media so called supporters who frequent this site. Also the fact Liverpool have caved in to mancs makes me sick to the stomach and all for the GOD of money!

Waro


Well said Waro. Since when did we allow the likes of Ferguson to tell us anything? From the moment he realized Suarez could leave his defence on the floor, he's done nothing but hound him out of our team (or try to). And WE said sorry in case our global image was tarnished and we lost financial support. Unbelievable!
Carl66


We would have won the league in 08/09 if UTD had got 5 less points.


Mate! If my aunt had a p*n*s, she would be my oncle...
If idiots could fly it would be dark all the time
Rafa was great, but the King is the King, and I'm convinced that our new owners are realistic enough not to sack a coach every year


Played at Prescot Cables many years ago, nice little ground and clubhouse.
kidmillions


 

 

14 Feb 2012 11:13:10
I believe the way some so called liverpool fans have turned on the club dont deserve to support the club again all over a snubbed handshake. Guys get over it.

Some fans have turned on the club and all they have done is believe our press who are nothing but gutter rubbish. Surely supporting your club is about supporting your tem through everything right or wrong.

All suarez has done is snub a handshake and the press have made a mountain out of a molehill and some of our own fans have gone along with it. Well if thats the case go and support somebody else.

I love and support LFC through everything same cant be said for some guillable so called fans.

Mighty reds


Well said mate, us tht go to our games do support the team thru thick and thin.the critizers and doubters are those who choose a channel to watch in an armchair YNWA


CHRIS


What makes me laugh is.. no one turned on the club when they supported someone accused and punished for Racism.. but not shaking a hand is unforgivable!.. In my opinion Suarez was stupid in not telling LFC he had no intention of shaking hands.. and even if he decided last minute to change his mind then he needed to apologise for letting down the club and making them look stupid in an already anxious time. But all this rubbish with ppl phoning in to tv and radio being ashamed to be a LFC fan I say this .........
Support the team or clear off!
ItsNotRocketScience


I dont agree with you at all Chris.. those of you lucky enough to be able to go to matches are no better a fan than those of us that have to watch on TV/Internet.
Bit fed up to be honest of this armchair slur being thrown at ppl .. we have a stadium that seats 40 odd thousand.. we have millions of fans! Some of us wont be able to go will we?.. It dont mean you love the club more than we do!
ItsNotRocketScience


What a surprise rocketscience lad not agreeing with someone, He's always at it with liverpool fans and thinks his own opinions are best


Not sure i get where your coming from there anonymous
ItsNotRocketScience


Look wot a was trying to say is if u going to winge on and complain about the team then u dnt need to be a liverpool fan.i will always liverpool and support them not dis them like some of the inebrated halfwits on here

chris


Criticizing the behavior of Liverpool player or team tactics does not mean you have "turned on the team" or that "you are not a Liverpool fan"

Grow up.


Complete nonsense. Every fan of every team has winged or complained about their team at some point. It's part of what makes you a fan.


Fair play Chris.. totally agree with you on that score mate!... Far too many whiners and stirrers about at the moment that need to shove off..
ItsNotRocketScience


 

 

14 Feb 2012 11:02:31
One word RAFA BENITEZ!


Words associated with:
Spent alot of Money
Left us with a Crap Squad
Great man though


That's two...


One reply no


That's two words ;)


That's 2 words, but what about him anyway?

Waro


If you look a bit harder, you'll see that's two words.
In one word, numpty.

Redjinal


Rafa is gone move on we are in a cup final look at the positives


Look to the future not the past.
There was a time when reds fans where calling for him to be sacked.


Rafa for england manager


Rafa for Real manager.

Chuck Norris


Two words...


I hate when people call rafa that guy was a genius the academy that we talk bout today, And say how great it is! It was rafa that made it wat it is today.
when he got the liverpool job he drew up a target list that list consisted of c.ronaldo when he was at sporting lisbon
d.silva valencia academy
and dont forget we lost out on battles for bale and walcott the guy wasnt a halfwit.

ACHILLES.


Again sorry to put you straight ACHILLES but Ronaldo was already at the scum! Houllier tryed but failed to sign him!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 10:20:49
Just saw an interesting post on the United page asking which academy has produced the best players. Some the players that Ajax have brought through is amazing. Anyway - who are the best 11-players to come through Liverpool's academy?

My effort is:

GK - ?

Chris Lawler - Tommy Smith - Phil Thompson - Jamie Carragher

Steve Mcmanaman - Steven Gerrard - Ian Callaghan - Billy Liddell

Robbie Fowler - Michael Owen

That would be a competitive team (if it had a goalkeeper)

JRG


Jimmy Case would be in my team every time,because of his steel.Jimmy was let go for his off field antics.But he actually is one of a few players who we let go who I was sad to see leave. He would have been a bigger legend, if he would have stayed.


Was Jimmy Case a product of the academy? I thought he was brought from non-league football, which is the same reason I didn't include Steve Heighway.

JRG


Yeah, I thought Jimmy Case came from Marine or some glamorous club like that... -SH-


Jimmy Case was from South Liverpool.


He still had Liverpool in his heart! Hot Shot Jimmy!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 10:14:32
John Henry has told Boston newspapers he is not happy with the current league position and it is vital to finish in the top 4 to move the club forward.He also said Kenny job is not safe and neither is most managers in the EPL because he will be judged on results like every other manager and where we stand in the league table. He said he is happy with the carling cup final and will be there with most of Fenway.


Can anyone confirm this? {Ed002's Note - To the best of my knowledge this is not correct. Henry has been pushing back on any interviews involving questions about Liverpool using workload and travel as an excuse - and he did travel to the Far East recently. When an interview is conducted it will be with knowledge of the questions to be asked and with time to prepare answers. Any questions that he does not wish to address will not be asked. It is anticipated that when an interview is granted it will be with The Associated Press (AP).}


Would you be happy if our owner said 7th was a great position?.. dont read more in to things than common sense should allow... of course its not good enuff, we are Liverpool! we want to be winning the league not trying to steal 4th! but we in a renewal phase and 4th is progression! add the cup final and were getting better..
ItsNotRocketScience


It's performances on the field that indicate whether you are getting better - not making cup finals.

Birmingham made a cup final a year ago, if I remember correctly. Did that mean they were "getting better"?


 

 

14 Feb 2012 10:10:43
Now that the game against manchester united is history I would just like to say that in my opinion the phil dowd did a first class job of refereeing the match and has been overlooked for the way he managed to keep a lid on the whole game and it would be nice if both clubs made some reference to the way he went about his job


I agree dowd did a good job i rate him highly compared to Webb. He might be packing a few pounds but he seems to make the right desicions.
red-raj


Phil dowd is all ways bang on and been the best ref,for the last 5yrs for me nononsence ref everything is delt with there and then with dowd


Agreed he did referee well and didn't need to produce a sending off or a shedload of yellow cards


Dowd is agood ref but ferdinand was a clear sending off when suarez was through big mistake. cheers mighty reds


I am a STAUNCH RED! and Birdinhand got the ball first!


 

 

14 Feb 2012 10:07:47
have been very disappointed in KK tactics all season, continues with the one man up front never works, drops carroll when he is showing signs of class.
In my eyes spearing is a very poor player for LFC, I love kk but feel we need a fresh manager maybe a certain manager from Real Madrid whats you thoughts on this.


KK is a useless manager and will not be here long term.He has some of the worse tactics known to man. He signings are poor the league form is poor his media handaling is poor but most of all he blames players the media and evertyhing but himself when things go wrong. He should still be on his cruise


Chill out! The players won't let Kenny down after this fiasco, I think if our players have anything about them they will sweat blood for the Club and Manager to get the results we need to keep us moving forward and kk in his job!
kidmillions


I wudnt want mourinho. There is enough controversy at the club, mourinho wud make it worse. Someone like laudrup or klopp wud be gr8.
Indian Buzzer


Funny i was just thinking iv'e been disappointed with the 'support' shown all season. It must just be a coincidence that no one was complaining when we knocked City and United out the cups. If you cant support Liverpool Football Club with Kenny Dalglish as manager when can you support them, you call out for Mourinho i cringe at the thought.
I wonder if we beat Brighton and Cardiff Kenny is still the wrong man for the job?

always a red


2nd post down - you do realise that you call him King Kenny and then go on to completely ridicule him? What a hypocrite!

Kenny is doing his best after the mess the last two managers left the club in. He was left with players like Degen, Poulson, Konchesky, Aquilani, ngog etc etc. He has a net spend of about £40m and has managed to reshape the squad. On top of this he has had to deal with:

Steven Gerrard out injured for nearly the whole time he has been back as manager of the club. I would be interested to know how many games Gerrard has played for Kenny and the most amount of games he has played in a row. He is still trying to find his form. Imagine this team with a fully fit, firing on all cylinders Gerrard. Imagine previous teams without Gerrard in them and how they would struggle.

Lucas, our player of the year last year out injured for the season. Spearing is a good squad player who is capable of filling in for a games here and there but you miss the quality of Lucas over a whole season. We lost by a single goal to United at the weekend in one of our worst performances of the season, would we have conceded the second goal with Lucas in the team?

Suarez, probably our star performer since he has been at the club, suspended for over a 1/4 of the season.

I have said before that a manager needs 3-years to shape a squad and get them playing confidently in the style he wants. The closest we have come to winning the league under Houllier and Benitez was after each manager had been here about three years.

JRG


General feeling from those ITK is that JM is not an option, not a fan of his style personally. Lets get KK through to the end of the season and back on the up. We're going in the right direction for the most part, its the PR machine where the wheels have well and truly come off. We're the ones to help them get back on track through our support.... C'mon

Suffolkn'Red


I'm afraid I can't agree with the intial post. Kenny has done a magnificent job in my opinion. I think you need to be more realistic and think about where we were 12 months and the distance which has been travelled already. A cup final, a strong possibility of reaching another and an outside shot at 4th compared to no cup involvement and an outside chance of 7th 12 months ago. In fairness even you must recognise that this is significant progress.

As for the signings, if you are being really honest were you not excited when we signed Carrol, Henderson and Downing, I know I was. At that time all of them were either proven EPL class ( Downing) or amongst the most promising youngsters in the league. Some times it takes a while for a player to settle, Silva wasn't the player he is last season ( not that I'm comparing Heno and Downing to Silva, but you get my point) The squad is good, not brilliant, injuries and suspensions have cost us points, but don't be so down on Kenny, I seriously doubt that any other manager, Mourniho included could have acheived much more from where we started. I firmly believe that next season we will be back in the top 4 and challenging for the title within 3 seasons. After all, our chance conversion rate can onlyimprove and with our excellent defence I think an additional 15 pts by this time next year is a real possibility. Just my opinion, but cheer up lol


Personally i feel we are moving in the right direction. We are keeping possesion most games and creating lots of chances. yeah we may not be scoring as much as we'd like, but at least were getting the chances, and in time all will gel together. Liverpool have a great work ethos going under King Kenny.


Smithy YNWA


I know this is a banter site, but i'd love to stop discussing getting rid of our manager. He deserves more. I would like to have seen big Andy start last weekend. It didn't happen. Maybe this weekend? Kenny has my support. It takes time to put the team together, and he hasn't really had the time yet. 2-3 full seasons please before we even look to start judging. i think we've played some great footie at times this season. This football club that i have been following since '77 gives me the highs, the lows, the suspense, the edge of the chair clutching Saturday afternoons, the joy, the frustration, and the pride - yes, the the pride! Players will come and go, some will learn the way to behave, others maybe won't. One thing, this club always reminds me that I'm alive! i can't wait for the games on tv down here in South Africa (I'm from England, and have been to Anfield, but my location now does not make me an 'armchair' fan!). Kenny, the club, players and fans - you have my support. My world would be a much duller place without you all!

LFC-Al from Cape Town


 

 

14 Feb 2012 03:07:12
Hi Ed001 what do you make of downing so far ? Its fair to say everyone is disappointed but still somewhere I think he is struggling due to our lack of width on the opposite flank. I mean if we had a decent winger on the right side he would get space to work with.if u look at our right its kuyt (who i dont think needs to be marked as has no pace,trickery or crossing ability) and johnson (who crosses out of the pitch or tries many things and gives the ball away).

on another note do you think isla,luuk de jong and junior hoillet would be realistic summer targets.I think they are all we need as 1. they can be our 3 wingers
2.one of them can be our 3rd striker
3. isla can also be backup to RB and LB spots if johnson leaves.
{Ed001's Note - Downing has not lived up to expectations so far, I am of the same opinion as you though, he just isn't getting the space he needs. All the players we have on the right, well we just don't have any real width there at all. Kuyt, Henderson and Johnson all cut inside at every opportunity, making it easy for the defence to just stay tight. They never have any real worries about someone getting behind them out wide, so they can move over towards our left in full safety. Bellamy can deal with it better because he is a special talent. De Jong and Isla are both players we have shown considerable interest in, that must make them realistic targets.}


I agree Downing has been a bit of a disappointment, the stats say no goals, no assists but that's not the whole story Downing has put plenty of great balls into the box but another stat is our conversation rate is pretty poor. We need a Fox in the Box.
kidmillions


Conversation rate as fallen since Jamie Carragher has been bench.After all it is important to have a vocal element in the team .I am only teasing you Kid,I know you meant Conversion.Ynwa.

Jiminy Cricket


What a relief - we are actually discussing football again, the tactics, the solutions, the outcomes. The Judge Judy phase has passed.


Downing should look at some of his matches from previous seasons to see why we brought him into the club. He made his name as a left winger who can put in quality crosses. He had a great ability to gain half a yard of space with a drop of the shoulder to give himself the time to put in a cross.

Downing has not dealt with the pressures of being a Liverpool player and the £20m price tag very well at all. At times it seems he has been trying too hard, trying to be involved in everything, whilst there are other times you would never know he is on the pitch. He is not providing the width we hoped he would bring by buying him, too often for my liking he finds himself in central midfield, and when you have Kuyt or Henderson doing that on the right also, our play becomes very narrow.

Even at the age of 87, Ryan Giggs is still schooling people on wing play, in their last few games he has put in high quality crosses for the Scholes chance on Sat, Hernandez's equalizer at Chelsea, and Valencia's goal at Arsenal.

I think Downing is at his best when he gets chalk on his boots, and he sticks to the left touchline like glue. His first thought should be to go forward and attack his right back. He is one of the few people who has given Micah Richards a tough time (well for 15 minutes) this season. Too often Downing is happy to lay it back to Jose, even when he is in a good crossing position.

It's clear is confidence is absolutely shot, and he could really do with a goal or an assist, I thought his goal vs Oldham could spark him, but it obviously hasn't. He of all KK's signing has been by far the most disappointing, but he has the ability to turn his doubters around, he just needs to believe he can.

RedSG


 

 

14 Feb 2012 09:32:21
During this whole Suarez/Evra there is one man who could have played a leading role and has failed to do so - Gordon Taylor, Chief Executive of the Professional Footballers' Association. I saw him on television some time ago condemning Liverpool for not properly educating Suarez and I saw him on Saturday condemning Suarez again for the non-handshake. I can't complain about Saturday's incident but his first remarks should have been addressed to Manchester United as well. I haver NEVER heard of any attempt by him in the meantime to get the two players and their representatives and managers around the table to sort things out. I may be naive but I would have thought that this was a very important part of his function - otherwise what else is he for?
Dutchmal {Ed002's Note - The PFA did attempt to bring the parties together but were unsuccessful. However, I am very much of the opinion that Gordon Taylor would do better not to express his views on such matters in public.}


Thanks for that Ed002. We don't get much news out here in the wilds but I hadn't seen anything at all about the PFA. Perhaps they could have tried a little harder. However you are quite right about Taylor. Thanks.
Dutchmal {Ed002's Note - My honest opinion is that clubs are becoming a little wary of dealings with the PFA simply because Gordon Taylor airs his views in public and it can, as was the case with Tevez, misfire.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 09:27:24
Is it true that standard chartered are deeply concerned about what has been happening at the club over the last 3-4 months and have had a heated meeting with lfc great work to all the eds on here about 5 times a day many thanks

Molbys big toe {Ed002's Note - Standard Chartered are indeed concerned with what has happened in recent months and have expressed this concern to the owners - who met with them in the Far East to smooth things over, and more recently with Ian Ayre. What I am surprised about is Standard Chartered making any sort of public statement on the matter as I see it as inappropriate and unprofessional.}


Ed standard charter are a business pumping a lot of money into lfc I think they have every right to be concerned as we as a club /brand have handled the whole situation very poorly I would agree they should not have made their feelings public but also I hope the owners will realise they cannot manage a club like liverpool from across the atlantic and need a strong prescence over here this would never have happened in the Robinson/Smith era {Ed002's Note - I am not saying Standard Chartered should not be concerned I am saying they should not express those concerns through the media. However, the owners being based in the United States is not detrimental to the club at all with a strong board (Ayre, Nash, Comolli et al) in England.}


You have to wonder about the merits of ian ayre etc.Their there to effectively run LFC in owners absense.Handleing of recent events shows how indebited we are to Broughton and Purslow


When I last looked, FSG owned Liverpool, not Standard Chatererd.. Standard Chartered are sponsors who have put money into the club. They haven't done it for nothing, as they will get more back than they have put in because of the publicity they will get from their association with one of the highest profile teams in world football.

They have signed a contract for 4 years, after which time they will be free to walk away if they don't like it. In the meantime, they should keep their noses out of club business.

redmersey


 

 

14 Feb 2012 09:24:33
I'm goin to have she*p for this & called a manc etc. I am a liverpool fan of 23 years & becoming quite concerned about the club I love dearly. When KK took over from RH I was a happy guy, someone to steady the ship til the summer,but then gets the job full time. After the summer my view on KK started to change, he's not the type of guy I thought but me being only 29 may have something to do with it. He has bought average players for a lot of money,He has had very average results especially at home and the way he handles the media on times is bizarre. I know we dont like the media as fans & we have good reason, but in the position of manager of Liverpool FC I think KK could be doing a better job of it. On saturday after his outburst it made SAF look like a saint. Now sponsors are getting involved & if I were the owner of LFC who is currently looking to gain stadium sponsorship I would be pissed off when our shirt sponsor gets involved in the club I own. The results,money spent on players and the way LFC has become a joke these last few months I think KK days are numbered. Football is a business & John Henry is a ruthless businessman & you couldnt blame him for showing KK & probably LS the door. Those fans who think KK is untouchable & i'm a person who dare question the King ask yourselves this, if any manager had Bought the players KK bought for the money he did,then got very average results like he has you would have the rope ready for him.


Its only kidmillions who calls people mancs because they don't agree with him.


Not after one season we woulldn't. His comments make Sir corn beff nose look like a saint? What comments were they? You may not be a manc but your clearly not a Liverpool supporter. Now go wobble yer ed ye clown.

Waro


Im not kidmillions im martlfc


Another thinly disguised Manc post, please take the time to read this post and tell me this is not an unsigned manc post.
kidmillions


Soz to tell you but i am a liverpool supporter. i meant kk attitude & the way he reacted. didnt realise i had to lick kk arse & never av an opinion to support lfc. jus waitin for "your'e not from liverpool so not proper fan". pathetic


Im not a manc mate sorry to dissapoint you. im just a liverpool fan with my own opinion. why cant i disagree with KD? you honestly think KD is the man that will see us challenge PL & CL titles?


Why do lfc fans on here go mental when someone disagrees with kd. its not like were top of league. im a fan who loves the club as much as the guy who sits in the kop week in week out. i joined in with the "internet terrorists" & proud to have done so. Im entitled to my opinion so please dont call me a manc as its offensive


Soz to say your opinion is unbalanced and you are manc you used the term SAF


Saf is jus quicker to type as is kd. you are very sad if you looked through my post just to find out if i'm a manc. Why would i lie? jus coz i disagree with kd i'm a manc. not evey lfc fan thinks kd is best manager in the world you know & calling LFC fans mancs coz their opinion differs to your's is sad & paranoid. you honestly think everything from players to results has been that good for kd that he doesnt deserve critism. wake up from the past mate.Yes he is a idol & legend to all us fans its just my opinion that he hasn't done a great job so far. I thought it was wrong to give him the full time job. if we dont get CL and kd leaves at the end of the season the fans will turn on the owners who are protecting their investment & trying to make us successful again but you probably dont get that. like i said any other manager would have been hang out.


Typical childishness.KK is legendry,but should NOT be beyond criticism(as he is with some fans)NO ONE is bigger than LFC endve


 

 

14 Feb 2012 09:12:11
Doesnt it just some up football at moment. When you get Tevez complaining at been "Treated like a Dog"
It's almost funny! Poor lad!!


He is on 200k a week so i have no pity for him
red-raj


Yeah a dog on £200,000 plus per week for that money I will eat pedigree chum and lick my own balls


Shows how up his own arse he is when he said. "the first sub by Mancini was a defensive one so I thought it wasn't worth going on means as were 2-1 down" coach as well as player then!!
Don think it's helped by his slave trader "owner" now agent
Lyndon


Nothing wrong with a dog on£ 200 grand a week. ask Arry

Robbie


Maybe he meant treated like redknapps dog with his own offshore bank account


Any player who refuses to go onto the pitch for the club who are paying their exhorbitant wages is a disgrace. Which is why I would never have Mascherano back. What they did is far worse than what Suarez did, which was showing passion for the club.

Tevez got his eye wiped because City had the money to let him rot. He should be grateful that he was born with the skill to play football. Without that, he would be a 26 year old virgin, selling the Argentinian equivalent of 'The Big Issue' on the streets of Buenos Aries.

redmersey


I like how he always wears Tevez brand clothing. Who the F":k want a t-shirt with his munched up face on it!!
Like earlier post said . It's good for football that man city had the money to let him rot!!!
Lyndon


 

 

14 Feb 2012 08:40:12
Is it me or did our form go tits up after Lucas got injured? We have not been the same since!


Agreed. The lad as some metal to turn into the player he has after the abuse he received!!


And it's taken you till now to notice how good a player Lucas is and has been for the last couple of seasons?

Scarface


 

 

14 Feb 2012 08:32:47
Just a thought, we should use the next match to try out having Carroll, Suarez, Downing and Gerrard in the same team for the first time!!

San


Why downing? he is useless. How many chances does he need huh? He has proven he isnt good enough. Get rid asap.
Indian Buzzer


It would probably have happened if Bellamy started the last game. He didn't, so he will start this one, probably instead of Downing. But I'd like to see those 4 + Bellamy in the line up.

RenegadeRed


Downing was supposed to be the provider for Carroll and Gerrard for Suarez. And much had been said abt Suarez playing in front of Carroll to take the opportunies of the knock-downs. I still feel that the team had not reached its full potential and in the next FA cup fixture, it will be a gd chance to try the 4 out. No pressure and with a gd performance, we can build on it.......

PS: PLZ give our support to King Kenny....

San


HA Ha got slagged while back for suggesting this attacking formation.Amazing


 

 

14 Feb 2012 08:30:26
Our once good name does matter. It hurts that we have temporarily lost this and that its mostly self-inflicted (although seized on by an all too willing press). The best way to restore this is through the conduct of fans and players. Lets get behind them, behave ourselves faultlessly and hope Kenny and his men can play with winning flair so we are talking about footie again.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 06:42:51
suarez should have shaken evra's hand. just my opinion.

Kaizer


What was Ferdinands problem then Kaiser?


His problem was that Suarez didnt shake evras hand no name.
KiwiRed


If suarez shakes hands all the other mess goes away


He is a person ive never liked him.He said he will not shake hands with terry but when suarez dont shake hands he comes out on twitter and says bad things about liverpool.No one likes ferdinand even wiskey nose said his form is s**t. He lost the england captaincy because he is a crap captain and then he lost the utd captaincy to vidic. He is a dumb overated player who got banned for 8 months because he was buying bed sheets.


Im not having that, Ferdinand was looking down at the ground while Suarez refused Evra's hand. Ferdinand was never going to shake his hand. Also notice Welbeck at the end of the line doesn't shake Suarez's hand either, Suarez grabs it but to say Welbecks hand was limp is an understatemnet.

Scarface


Lets not talk about other teams first. im talking about our team, Liverpool FC.

Kaizer


Guys guys, it does not matter anymore.....

San


Like John Barnes said , 'People are becoming too rpecious on the issue of racism' , and the lack of a handshake ought to be irrelevant to MUFC - no rules were broken .

Qwerty


Scarface

I bet you were one of the many who said it was Evra who actually snubbed Suarez? Seen the slow-mo replays of him 'withdraw his hand' etc etc. That is until Suarez came out and owned up. Made many L'pool fans who tried to cover his name look silly

Evra, Rio and Wellbeck would all have shaken Suarez' hand had he not snubbed Evra in the first place - both camps had confirmed they would do the hand shakes it was Suarez alone who wrecked that. Why should any of the others have shaken his hand after seeing his lack of respect and lack of humility for the situation around him?

Stop trying to deflect this back on United AGAIN with your bogus theories. The apologies have at least made one step in the right direction, some L'pool fans need to move on and stop taking steps backwards

Kaizer's original post puts hits the nail on the head

Gav


Two wrongs don't make a right Gav - your comment is one of a little child. There is no justification for what Ferdinand did, just as there is no justification for what Suarez did. Is Mark Bridge within his rights to go and shag JT's wife? You are another blinkered Manc who believes your players have a divine right to do as they please.

LIVERPRES


 

 

14 Feb 2012 06:31:06
Good,Prem Exp and Cheap Players..
1) Flecher, Jarvis @ Wolves
2) Hoillet, Samba @ Blackburn
3) M.Davis @ Bolton
4) M.Worm, Dyer,J. Allen @ Swansea
5) Pilkinton @ Norwitch
6) Sessengon @ Sunderland
7) P'Odiwege @ WBA
8) Rodaellga, Figoreua @ Wigan

Many of them can be good Squad players and will come cheap 5-10M ..


We have squad players we need players who can go in to the team and make it better.


We are Liverpool !! Surley we should be looking at better players than this... Just look at Spurs being linked with HAZARD and his reasons why as commented on the BBC website.


Think their will be. Alot of smoke and mirrors and quotes attributed to Spurs. True or Not while levy tries to convince Redknapp to stay at spurs. Plus the Press will be loving it. All good if it Keeps them off our Backs!!
lyndon


 

 

14 Feb 2012 06:23:31
Big fan ov the site. I would like to thank alot ov the people who care about the site and dont put daft storys on the site.there are a lot ov people who do that and they destroy the rep ov this site.


 

 

14 Feb 2012 05:52:36
Morning Ed's

Hopefully we can back to some normality and push for 4th place,results sort of went our way at the weekend.To be honest we have not looked the same since we lost Lucas our attacking flair has been really restricted due to losing our defensive midfield lynch pin.

To the summer could you possibly see us going for foreign players or do you think it will be British again?


Now for last summers players
Downing been very inconsistent where has the player who was at Villa gone or was it just that he was a mediocre player in a poor team?
Charlie Adam starts most games well but after 60/ 70 min fades.
Andy Carroll -- We still have not seen the best of him.There is no doubt he has the ability to destroy most prem defences , Im not sure if we can ever get him to fit our style of play.Thats the problem we need to solve.
Henderson -- A work in progress.I have seen this lad play a lot at the Stadium of light(My father is a staunch Mackem,We all have our crosses to bear LOL) he will develop into a top player but needs the time.

REDFORLIFE
{Ed002's Note - You mean British players like Coates, Enrique and Suarez? I rather suspect that any players who arrive in the summer will be chosen because they can improve the squad rather than on their nationality.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 05:14:01
Happy Valentines Day LFC. I Love You!
Zoula


I love you too Zoula
LFC


 

 

14 Feb 2012 03:14:30
Top 4 chances:

On paper, we have an easier run in than Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle and we also play each of them at home. I have assumed we will beat all 3.

Looking at the other teams fixtures, I believe Arsenal are the biggest threat to take 4th spot.

Predicting their results and points tally, I calculate that we can only drop around 7 points from our remaining 10 games (given full points from the three games above).

Obviously there is no science to this and a massive amount of assumptions and speculation. The pisture I am trying to paint is that we are not beyond 4th spot yet.

I think it will be close and a good battle for the 4th spot. Hopefully, with a bit of luck on the pitch and a few other results going our way, it will be ours.

But for now, lets smash Brighton!

LIVERPRES


What about our home form did you take that into account


Give up on 4th spot mate, it aint gonna happen. Maybe 14th. We have droppede 18 points at home = same as losing 6 games.

KBL


Go have a cry in the corner KBL


Why would you assume beating Arsenal, Chelsea & Newcastle at home when you've failed to beat Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland, Blackburn and Stoke (to name but a few) at home already?

Also, I think you play Newcastle at St James or whatever it is these days!

Gav


 

 

14 Feb 2012 03:09:41
I can guarantee 100% Suarez will be with us next season. No sources..I just Know it lol.

Tekneek


 

 

14 Feb 2012 02:39:47
if you look closely you will realise that the same people who slammed Blatter for suggesting players should settle a race issue with a handshake are the same people who are slamming Suarez for not settling a race issue with a handshake!
i also believe Suarez was confused at Moldy Toilet because the last time he was in the presence of Evra he was told "don't touch me you South American."
anyway, my suggestion going forward would be that we create a press office to deal with non-football related issues that journalists might want to ask about but will have to do it in writing so as to leave our manager to be interviewed on matters only relating to the game...

thoughts?

peter


Spot on mate...i too thought the same thing just after the match when every1 started with the abusing after the match...bloody hypocrites


 

 

14 Feb 2012 01:10:48
I've watched the "handshake" loads of times and my first impression is still the same. Evra did not offer his hand to Suarez (bearing in mind he has just shaken nine previous hands - with his hand continously offered), he has put it down by his side.
I think Suarez has been had by Evra, who in the last few days has gained the morale high ground, and Evra knows the stich up is complete. In Suarez's position i would have done the same, move on to the next hand. If Suarez had waited and offered his hand to Evra, then good but it was clear that as Evra hadn't got his hand up waiting that he was going to milk the situation (arguably he may be justified in this) - just like the end of the game.
The result of all this:
Suarez will go and so will KD, who has been undermined by the board/owners in the last 24 hours. LFC have been pyschologically taken to the cleaners now, reputation ravaged worldwide. If this was the script to a thriller "How to destroy a team without taking to the field", you would not believe it yet it is happening/happened. The next few days are going to be very revealing.....

JanMolbyFan


Agree with the first part, Disagree with the second part.

Matt S - YNWA


Don't be ridiculous. Why would he just move on? When Evra grabbed his arm why would he not try and shake his hand? He just moved on. Don't even TRY and say that, especially after he has admitted to not shakign it.

BthekingB


Suarez apologised to LFC for not shaking Evras hand.
Let it go now

cozinoz


Suarez apologised to LFC for not shaking Evras hand, he was told to do this by the management even the board to be more precise!


All i'm saying is i can understand why he moved on. Yes, he's a top footballer but does he have nerves of steel or was he bricking it?? OT, hostile environment, world watching. Just suppose he had reached down and grabbed Evra's hand up to shake it - would he then be accused of antagonising Evra into shaking his hand? He had a split second to make a decision and the one he made has been condemned the world over. He also later posted on twitter that everything was not as it seemed. We can all sit at our laptops and spew outrage etc. I'm just saying i understand how what happened, happened - i don't believe he set out to snub Evra.

JanMolbyFan


 

 

14 Feb 2012 00:57:25
Everyone is going on about how 'childish' this whole Suarez ordeal is...and I agree. It's childish but also significant.

Imagine a couple of kids getting into a tussle on the playground. Eventually the bickering gets so obnoxious that the teacher comes around and tells them to shake on it. They do so and live to carry on the war another day. Or sometimes one gets angry and gets himself expelled or shunned by other classmates.

The point here is that Suarez won't be expelled, but he will be shunned. Whether it will be by certain teammates, opposing players, authorities, or in the eyes of those watching the saga unfold from various corners of the globe, it will be significant on many levels.

I'm most worried when I think of how this may affect our recruitment of top class talent in the future, as we surely don't want to have to settle for any Downings when we could get Hazards for approx same cost. But are we making a strong case for them to join us? I don't care if you think this is an intentional ploy by Utd to undermine our ability to 'make new friends' bc it's up to us and us alone to represent ourselves and the nature of this club. Take the example of the kids and imagine a new kid joins the school. Will he look to buddy up with the angry loner in the corner or the popular bunch? Will he be able to find reassurance in his strong (albeit confrontational and anti-social) nature or his obvious kickball skills...or atleast enough to take on the challenges it will bring his way towards his development in this new environment? Big ask if you ask me. Anyone that LFC have been scouting will now have second thoughts about joining our squad seeing as how vunerable we are to outside influences. This is something that I feel should be our main focus moving forward bc we will always be challenged- esp if we improve and really begin to contend for titles- but we should be able to keep perspective on what fights are worth fighting and how to dodge the pointless ones. As much as the PR machine and how Utd manipulates it angers me, the inability of our people to even comprehend it on the most basic levels is more frustrating. Even children understand that emotional responses are not wise and it's better to back off and regroup instead of lashing out in the heat of the moment.

Throughout this saga many questions have been raised about why Suarez didn't anticipate what would happen at OT, and although Utd threw him a curveball by having the away team offer their hand instead of the usual home team greeting their visitors, I would expect that he should have played out the scenario of how he would act when he came face to face with Evra. It's something we all do- look in the mirror and imagine what you'll say to that bird you're taking out tonight or how you'll deliver your sales pitch etc... same thing Suarez is a professional and he's expected to carry himself as such whenever representing the club.

Sorry for the long rant but just like others I was hurt by these events and what it means for the future of our club. My only hope now is that the people in charge take this as an opportunity to improve our mannerisms. Then we can talk about Hazards and Cavani's and the lot. Let's clean out our house and then we can gather the toast of the town around our table. YNWA azkop


 

 

14 Feb 2012 00:52:18
Hello, quick question to any of the LFC Eds (and anyone else out there who keeps tabs on the Reserves)- I've noticed young Michael Roberts plays for the side a lot, but have rarely heard him being spoken about unlike just about all the others who currently play for the reserves. I'm just wondering whether the guy looks like a prospect for the first team at all? Many thanks

DP {Ed001's Note - he just doesn't play in the kind of role that makes him stand out, he does have good technique though. I certainly think he has a chance, but it will be difficult, his main competition for a first team place is likely to be Lucas. That is where his problem lies, Lucas is young enough to be a first team player for Liverpool for 10 years yet.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 00:34:55
OMG i cannot believe the hysteria that has occurred during the last few days.i have never before witnessed such an over reaction to a none hand shake. it also amuses me that each passing day there are has been players and members of the press preaching moralistic drivel.
as i see it;

luis made a racial insult during a football match that wasn't witnessed by anybovise evrady else. wrong but generally unsubstantiated.

saint alex and some of his chums advise/persuade evra to complain. questionable but they are entitled.

fa decide to make an example of luis and the hearing of evidence is very much sympathetic to evra. the truth is proboblyant and somewhere in between the two accounts.

liverpool back suarez unequivocallyas they feel he was harshly treated . fair enough but could have supported him without wearing t shirts IMO

press decide as usual to make the most of the situation. sad but inevitable. didn't do ourselves any favours as kk appeared paranoid during most i/vs such is his honesty in feeling he had to defend the one that was wronged. lessons to be learned. dealings with the press need to be better managed.difficult questions need not be answered.just discuss football.do it with a smile on your face.

handshake - luis is persuaded to shake evra's hand.probobly didn't really want to but didn't no how to say no.when it came to it.evra although offering his hand either intentionally or not makes it a bit difficult by lowering his hand slightly. luis decides at the last moment he isn't going to do it.evra plays to the camera.mission accomplished wrong.should have taken the hand,particularly as he had assured kk he would. evra and man u have milked it for all they can.

can't believe kenny didn't know about the none handshake at the end of the game.made a bit of a t*t of himself but was ambushed by geoff shreeve. first questions about the game put kenny at ease.

saint ferguson - what a sad man. used the whole sitation to give us a good kicking.from the moment the complaint was made to him right through to the interview.now apparrently in charge of our transfer policy. will shortly be growing a small black moustache and invading poland. hypocrite and bully in the extreme

apologies - made to avoid fanancial loss due to global image being tainted ,not because of a moral viewpoint. wrong. you should only apologise if you believe you are wrong.

what needs to happen now - need to give cardiff a good spanking,win fa cup and try to finish 4th. everybody needs to cheer up.luis needs to play out of his skin and make amends and repay the blind loyalty the club and kk gave him.and jay spearing needs to be told to stop passing the ball to the opposition!

people need to calm down and get things in perpective. nobody has died , evra has not been mentally scarred for life and luis suarez is no different from a lot of other people in the world. he has made a mistake. people are allowed to do so. it happens.

stu


The Fa are the most culpable in this matter, kk,lfc us supporters even Suarez himself would I think of just accepted the nominal 4 match ban apologised and we would of moved on.
But no the Fa had an agenda to show the World and Blatter that they will not go soft on racisism and despite the unerwhelming evidence they decided an 8 match ban. Well we've all seen the result of that fine mess the Fa created.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - The FA did not decide the length of the ban.}


Who did then? {Ed002's Note - The Independent Panel that addressed the case between the FA and Suarez also dealt with the punishment.}


 

 

14 Feb 2012 00:27:36
hi all........ is that dutch boy luuk de jong any good???


Good player. At around 12-15 million, wud be a steal.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

 
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