Liverpool Banter Archive December 14 2012
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14 Dec 2012 23:19:52
I really dont get why we sold tom ince for next to nothing them pay 5-6mill for him just over a year later its ridiculous. Fair enough he's young but we could do with players who can help us kick on this season and grab that fourth spot. also 15 mill or whatever it is being touted for daniel sturridge surely there is better options throughout europe for probably less than that price. I think we need to invest in out scouting system if these are the best players they can come up with.
NEred
Ince is s top talent wanted by man utd kenny dalglish made a mistake letting him go BR see's the talent so if br wants him then fine
Sturridge will score goal which is what we need
The 15 mil figure is what the media has been touting i expect it to be more closer to 10 which is a good price for sturridge
Sturridge has a better goals to game ratio whn playing on the right than Valencia and he's considered world class by some
Have faith in BR
Shak Attack
Rodgers didn't sell tom ince butand if ince turns out a success then it will be 6 million well spent.
derryred
It was a combination of ince wanting first team opportunities and liverpool not wanting to pay him for being a squad player.
15 Dec 2012 07:49:37
we knew he was a good player it was dalglish trying to throw muscle around ie charlie adam ince was the sweetener, gud business blackpool, dalglish luv yer but u did get it wrong on massive scale, carrol cud have had aguero, downingcud have had honda, however i agree on henderson think he will be cracking as long as he pushed
14 Dec 2012 22:51:13
Bit of fun time - well knowledge really, coinciding with the rumours about Tom Ince:-
How many sons of top level players have come up to the standard of their fathers, - I can only think of maybe one
Mark Hateley - son of Tony.
Nigel Clough
How many players have gone on to be far better players than their dads? A lot...
14 Dec 2012 23:16:52
Cesere and Paulo Maldini - Frank and Fat Frank,
I had to search online as I thought Alan Smith's (Arsenal) dad had played but looks like I was wrong.
Paulo Maldini
Jamie Rednapp
Michael Owen
Lampard, Chamberlain
What about Seb Coates? I bet he'll be as good as his dad Ralph Coates one day.
Pepe Reina!!
Redknapp and lampard turned out better players than there fathers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Xabi Alonso?
Xabi Alonso
Darren Ferguson
Pepe Reina's dad played in a European cup final for Atletico in 70's.
Nigel Clough, Michael Owen, Jamie Redknapp, Xabi Alonso have all had good careers and followed their fathers into the beautiful game. Tony Hateley & Paul Ince's sons have followed them into the game one of which leads us back to young Tom.
Scouse_Pride
Paul Dalglish!
Nigel Clough was not fit to lace the boots of Bryan Clough as players.
Ronaldo was good but Cristiano is even better.
14 Dec 2012 22:29:59
I've just seen the last five minutes of the U-19 against Singapore in the Next Lions Cup. Liverpool leading 1-0 (Yesil) but it's just like watching the 1st Team - very SLOW build-up - too many missed passes - too many passes back to the goalkeeper. Very frustrating.
DM2012
(by the way, I won't be posting any more after the end of the month!).
Why not? - this site needs positive posts like yours - oh wait, it was yet another complaining post about a young LFC side winning a game.
Your comments won't be missed methinks.
Are you off to a place where everything is wonderful & brilliant>>?
I've seen our u21's play its not slow build up at all they were attack attack attack against Crystal Palace but I assume you know more seeing as you watched the last five minutes of a game.
I have also seen the U21s play but I was talking about the U-19s! My point is that the philosophy of back-passing etc is spreading throughout all our teams. I will be posting after the end of this month but I will (of course) have a different signature. You will all have the same that you have now - NONE! Have the guts to sign your posts please.
DM2012
14 Dec 2012 23:09:50
OK - I get your point - the first 6/7 games this season (senior) had me screaming when I saw what the back 4 did in certain situations. IF IN DOUBT GET IT OUT!! that was the mantra growing up.
But you have to understand what the new way to play is, every ground in the Premiership has a surface like a carpet, and it's not hard for any player to play a 15/20 yard pass, will they get caught out at the back once in a while? (definitley so at the younger level), no-one will contend that. But you need to start understanding the impact on games that this play has - retaining the ball (and therefore tempo and control of the game) in these positions does a lot to first tire then demoralise the other team. Not to mention stops lower class teams being able to flood forward on throws and corners.
DM - go away and think that through, do you want to be Stoke, Bolton or West Ham, or do you aspire to be Barca?
Signed - KH - only so you can't hold it against me
Is it the names that matter or the thoughts and ideas? I don't put my name because I can't come up with anything so clever as dm2012... lol
You do understand that team was ridiculously young and still won. Lfc are also dominating youth football.
DM2012 keeping and retaining possession is the way the game is going. I agree with you that the tempo we play at is too slow however with time our tempo will increase. Once we improve the movement of the team off the ball we will begin to see the fruits more often. However I would much rather a ball goes backwards or side-wards and we start again than give it away trying to go forward too quickly.
derryred
14 Dec 2012 22:22:22
Jan Ins:
Sturridge 12m
Ince 6m
Outs
Cole 4m
£4m for cole loooooooooll
Cole can leave on a free mate. Id be more than happy just to get him off the wage bill.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as that.}
U mean we have to pay him for the remainder of the contract ed? He has only a year after this season left on his contract. Surely the compensation will be minimal?
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - hardly minimal, it is £4m to pay up his contract at the end of the season.}
14 Dec 2012 22:07:32
So the Sturridge debate - there's a lot of good points being made on both sides of the argument.
We're bound to have a few people be a bit cynical with our recent luck with British players - and we don't want to be ripped off again. And there are a lot of people who feel he could be disruptive to a squad. And of course - not good enough for City or Chelsea why should he be good enough for us.
On the other side the guy has some pretty good attributes, an eye for goal and is hungry to establish himself in a first team, young and therefore more likely to be able to adapt to BR's tactics. And of course there is a good chance that we could recoup a lot of any fee if he flops or sell on at a large profit if we turn him around. Plus obviously we need Centre Forwards.
Typically January signings cost way over the odds - probably +50% of a players value a lot of the time.
So the question to you all - what price does he become a feasible signing? I know a lot of people would immediatley say "Not at any price - I don't want him" but consider if Stoke picked him up for £5M next week, you would feel like you missed out.
My personal view - £12M is probably on the mark for a Jan signing - in Summer I'd be wanting to pay £9-10M.
In all honesty i do not know how people can say he will disrupt the team, they do not know him at all an in all honesty i think most players will be unhappy sitting on the bench with a scoring record like his. I also don't see the sense in the whole British argument either. I mean really,how can someone be a flop just because a player of his nationality flopped before him. Perhaps he is greedy at times but at the end of the day we do need goals. For 12 million and a regular first team wage, i'd take him although i don't finance the transfers at liverpool fc.
derryred
14 Dec 2012 21:52:59
I know it's twitter but just read that sterling has signed his contract. Fingers crossed
14 Dec 2012 21:34:24
is it true sturridge has a sell on percentage to manchester city? if so will that inflate the price somewhat?
It is 15% according to various internet sources.
Scouse_Pride
No it means 15% of what we pay Chelsea will go to man city.
MIKEY
14 Dec 2012 21:21:02
could you please do a player profile on tom ince, i would love to hear your opinion of the player. sterling, ince and zaha could be the future front 3 for england and we could possibly have 2 out of 3 of them. {Ed002's Note - You will have to ask on teh profile page.}
Playing 3 wingers when there's two flanks with a team who play usually two up top? Not a pretty line up.
14 Dec 2012 21:20:22
Seen many great players play for my beloved club and I would class pepe reina in that bracket but surely we have to look to the future and for me that has to be ter Stegen of borrusia m'gladbach.he is only 23 years of age with a maturity beyond his years. What do you all think?
14 Dec 2012 22:20:11
I think 30yo for a keeper is like 23yo for a winger and looking to replace Pepe (assuming he is willing to stay) at this time is stupidity. I hope he stays through and beyond his playing career - the fact he has just come through his first proper dip in form without throwing (dropping lol) his toys out the pram shows him to be class.
Ter stegen is 20, soon to be 21 if im not mistaken.
Indian Buzzer
14 Dec 2012 21:08:41
Ok say we do get ince and Sturidge. I'm guessing 433 like normal. Sturridge down the middle Suarez out to the left and sterling Suso and ince swapping on the right. That takes out most of Suarez goals so basically we are pinning all our hopes on Daniel Sturridge getting the goals... I just can't get my head round why we would sign this guy . But if we do ill sing his name and cheer him on
Totally agree.
Ozone
I'm pretty sure the philosophy of BR isn't to have a rigid formation - his front 3 formation consists of the players interchanging their positions, this puts the defence off balance as they aren't sure where any of the players are going to go. This is sorta why Allen is so crucial as his passing at Swansea demonstrated he can make incisive through balls in an array of positions therefore opening up opportunities for the front three. If you look at the rationale behind Sturridge and Ince, you can see that Sturridge is quality through the middle (i.e. his time at Bolton) and Ince has bags of tricks and a good shot playing from wide positions and is able to cut through. It would be a headache for the defense and would also mean Suarez can act as the front striker which he's done so well this season as well as being able to plant balls through to two players who can stick it in the back of the net when he strays out wide. Personally, I can see it working brilliantly, if it happens!
JFT 96
JP
14 Dec 2012 23:55:28
How many does Luis score coming through the middle? How many attacking from either the angles of the area or even down the bi-line? He's dangerous anywhere, and he can float between any of those front 3 positions because in this formation there are not many rigid defensive duties playing on the Left or Right of that 3 - just press the ball.
He could easily facilitate either Theo or Sturridge at the point of attack - I think either player would actually start to realise playing point is actually restrictive and would embrace the fluid approach we take.
Fairly sure we'd play Sturridge on the right
Red Ollie
I don't think he played through the middle at Ajax and he seemed to do pretty well there...
14 Dec 2012 21:05:54
hi eds the tom ince deal is nearly done but thought other clubs were after him like big clubs thanks keat0000 {Ed002's Note - Manchester United also showed an interest in him.}
We are also a "big club" mate...just saying..
Doha Red
14 Dec 2012 20:57:15
Theo Walcott has told friends he is open to a move to Liverpool in January, probably due to the fact he'd be guaranteed 1st team football, plus Liverpool are willing to pay him £90k a week. Daniel Sturridge will be the other signing, Tom Ince is just a back up incase one of the deals for TW or DS doesn't come off.
Phill Crane
It seems the Walcott has fallen through then because sturridge and ince look the most likely.
How would Walcott be guaranteed first team football if we signed Sturridge as well?
Red Ollie
14 Dec 2012 20:41:40
eds and red
also who would be our fastest of our attacking players including the maybe's
1 sterling
2 assiadi ince ?
3sturridge
4borrini
5suarez
6suso
KUMBER
Forget fastest. I wonder who is the tallest of our 7 dwarfs
Think carra puts them all to shame.
FowlerGod.
Sturridge is 6ft 2 I think
Square tomato
KUMBER {Ed002's Note - It is not a subject we like to discuss K.}
Sterling assaidi and ince are all very quick sturridge not far behind!
Keatz
Both Sturridge and Suarez are over 6ft and Borini is about 6ft, so we're not that short. The rest are wingers anyway.
ChrisMiz
If your worried about lack of height just play Seb Coates up front
Not one of those players mentioned is under 5'10... You must not know anything..
JK
Ok sorry Bashful I didn't mean to offend you. This is a banter page JK crack a smile we won last week
Hhmmm jk sterling is 5.7 LOL
Who cares what height they are. Mata is smaller than bendtnar but i know who i'd rather have.
derryred
Sleepy here what have I missed ?
1)Sterling, 2)Sturridge 3)Assaidi 4)Ince
14 Dec 2012 20:18:53
Do people not realise Brendan Rodgers didn't let Tom Ince go? Maybe if he was the manager at the time he would have done things differently. Should he not sign a player he obviously likes just because Liverpool let him go, I'm sure most of you will forget whatever the price tag is if he signs and becomes a success.
Damian
Is that you Comolli?
We know what you did.
LFC82
Damien comolli was not the one that sold Tom ince. The manager decides who he wants out and in, not the director of football. Another KK blinder.
Whoever let Tom Ince go was 100% correct.
Like his dad, the lad was an egomaniac. He had to realise he was not good enough to demand PL first team wages.
Hopefully he has learned a bit of humility after his time at Blackpool.
14 Dec 2012 19:57:43
Eds and LFC fans
Why is it that we do not loan out many of our up and coming players?
Is it because no teams are interested or the management want to keep them here learning our way.
ps i know we have a thin squad but i mean some of the players in reserves like coady. Surely the experience would do them good.
LFC82 {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has four players out on loan right now. Carroll, Mukendi, Spearing and Wilson. I assume that Bijev will be sent back on loan somewhere in January.}
Thanks Ed - i understand Carroll and Spearing are out on loan but these are two players we tried to sell but could not off-load. What i was trying to get at was why we dont send people like Morgan out on loan to get experience and to get a better idea if they will make it. {Ed002's Note - I suspect that Morgan might get the chance of a loan move but don't forget that players under 18 cannot be sent on loan.}
14 Dec 2012 21:27:55
Out of a pool of how many ed 002?
Waro {Ed002's Note - However many the club has over 18 and not signed in the window of the loan.}
14 Dec 2012 19:27:57
Just for a bit of fun i wanted to ask everyone what 2 strongest positive memories they have with LFC glorious history to more difficult present?
I say positive as do not want to remember the real tragic events conected with our club
For me and one is very obvious:
1) European triumph from 3-0 down
But perhaps the moment that made me proudest
2) Fowler's honesty against Arsenal penalty call
Gareth
Hi Mate
Mine would be the 4-3 (the first one) against Newcastle and the 4-1 against Man U.
KernowRed
I must be the only LFC fan to think that Robbie protested against the penalty to detract from what was a shocking dive. I felt that when I saw it live, I just watched it again on Youtube & I still feel the same. I just think Robbie might have been thinking 'Sh*t, I overcooked that one'.
Got loads of great memories but 2 of them
the first European cup win in 1977 3-1 against Moenchengladbach and the 5-0 hammering of Forest in 1988, Barnes,Beardsley,Aldo, PURE CLASS
Wardie
There is a fair few but when we won utd 4-1 at utd, only because of the circumstances, i really wanted to watch the match but i was working at the time, i couldn't resist so i ran out of work and meet a few friends at the pub close by. When i arrived back at work i got the sack straight away. it was well worth it just to see that match.
Probably not the very up most memorable game in our history but i'll never forget.... plus Fowlers 3 min hat trick was also a highlight.
FowlerGod.
14 Dec 2012 20:45:45
It isn't just the Istanbulf final I remember fondly, but the entire campaign. Olympiakos, Mellor and Sinama Pongolle, Garcia's "ghost goal" against Chelski, everything. And Didi Hamann's penalty with a broken toe.
Jolly Red
So many, many to choose from, but if I must...
1) Beating Barcelona at the Camp Nou, 1-2, in 2007. I was there, and rather than being sat with the away fans, I was sat about half way up behind one of the goals, with about 20 other Liverpool fans. We were going mental. All credit to the Barca fans, they were magnanimous in defeat.
2) Beating Besiktas 8-0 at Anfield, again in 2007. I was sat in the Centenary, as always, and at half time we were 2-0 up. Six goals in the second half, and everyone in the stadium was going insane. After about goal 5, every time we got the ball, all you could hear was 'attack, attack, atttack attack attack!'
Redjinal
For me, at Watford in the cup 1/4 final 86, 1-0 down and all over them, 5 mins from time penalty and Rambo slotted it home, and Rushie scored in extra time, and history tells you we went on to win the double that year....and secondly the 2nd Champions league semi v Chelsea with Dirk getting the winning pen!....So many tho, Portsmouth in the cup semis is another...........Great Post!
May 1965
Liverpool 3 - Inter Milan 1
28,000 on the Kop - atmosphere beyond belief - worth bunking off school for, got to the ground at 2pm - and there where thousands already there then.
John B
1974 Wembley
Standing with my Dad singing YNWA as we beat Newcastle 3.0. After MacDonald's pre-match crowing it was great to give them a lesson in football skills.
ND
Was so lost in the moment I forgot the second one:
Wembley 1978
Retaining 'big ears' and being right in line with Kenny's finish for the winner. Another great European night.
ND
Winning the second division , winning the first division and ron yates running round anfield with a paper mache copy of the cup great days and we have had lots of them and many more will come . red mick tag ynwa
St Ettienne in the quarter final 1977 unbelievable atmosphere and when KK floated in the opener it turned up 20% and as Fairclough ran through and the kop swayed forward i didnt see the goal just joined in the frantic celebrations.
my second would be the 2005 final - sat at home in manchester with 5 united fans(family - hers not mine) giving me so much sh*t at half time only to ram it down there throats as Stevie G lifted OUR trophy- sweet real sweet moment
bigg2966
14 Dec 2012 19:06:28
Sterling back on twitter he is not moving sorting his contract out hope so if I'msorry if behind on this news
14 Dec 2012 18:57:23
Regarding Tom Ince, this is one way of looking at it:
If we kept him, we would have been paying his wages for a year and a half, and would have only played a couple of games.
Instead, he went to Blackpool and he has played regularly and developed well. The transfer fee is probably the same as what his wages would've amounted to if we had kept him, and he has got regular game time and developed well.
I'm not suggesting that this was some secret plan all along, just that you can think of it this way if the fact we are buying him back annoys you.
Hounsred
No wonder Liverpool's spend on Agents fees are sky high though, Hounsred eh ?
Simple Simon
Simon have you always been a prat
Barca and madrid buy back their players. It works well for them. I'm not suggesting that this will guarantee success for us but if he is good enough for liverpool i don't care where we buy him.
derryred
Sorry Hounsred but he could have got that experience if we sent him out on loan for a year with the loaning team paying his wages. That's a problem i think our team (LFC) need to look at, we need to loan out more players to ensure they get some experience.
LFC82
Either as i say, rather him banging in the goals for us than for man united
Shak Attack
I know we have had some high earners but I seriously doubt Tom Ince was on 80000 a week.
Mantis
14 Dec 2012 18:51:07
Happy to read about ince to sign,, hes a great young player
I know people saying we shouldn't have let him go but lsn't the kid has gained experience become stronger by playing in championship and is confident too soo its a good signing
Could do with a striker and would like to see assaidi start games n sterling to sign a contract :-)
Most importantly we wana win on saturday cummonn u reds n thnks Macca
Basy
14 Dec 2012 18:45:10
You so called true fans are the muppets and trolls on this page if someone has a different opinion from all of you,means we don't love liverpool like you do that's crap..this is a banter page if you don't like what you see disagree and move on you don't have to insult anyone,just state why am wrong and share for points so we could actually do what is meant to be done on this page having a little banter
Shark attack sorry if I was a little offensive,just felt we could argue a little more since you were the only one smart enough to give a valid argument..the rest of you should get a life,and a mind of your own...
Yeah and I would still speak my mind sturridge and ince aren't good enough
PACMAN
14 Dec 2012 19:08:18
Don't play the martyr,you were wrong,and told so,that is all!
WelshBoyDave
Thanks pacman. In future I will know to just skip your posts and not have to hurt my eyes reading such garbage.
MIKEY
The trolls have been talking about??what makes me wrong welshboydave cos everybody says so..oooh so cos i feel sturridge and ince are not good enough am wrong.get a life please
I genuinely feel sorry for you PACMAN. You genuinely write just nothingness. The content of what you write is, how can I put it, we'll let's just say very poor. You really need to seek some sort of help.
Pacman. You've even come back and tried to give a clever remark to welshboydave. It's just nothingness again. It is so embarrassing that I feel very sorry for you mate. Seek out some help to get direction in your life.
I'm really just trying to work out how a muppet like that knew how to turn on a computer ?
derryred
14 Dec 2012 18:00:36
I never saw anything of Tom Ince when he was with us, but now that Macca has confirmed he's close to resigning, what are people's opinions about him?
Is he ready for the first team, and is he any better than what we already have in that position?
When shelvey went out on loan to blackpool he came back a better player from it and its kind of a similar what Ince has done (but for more of an expense). I personally saw him play a few months back but he was poor on the night but depending what BR see's in him and what he can bring to the team.
If he does come to us i can see him playing on the wide of the front 3 but i can see suso, sterling, Borini even Suarez can play that roll. I see him as a rotational player until he proves himself at the top level.
Personally if hes been bought to play the middle of the front 3 i would rather have Jordan Rhodes there instead, i've seen him play on a couple of occasions and since his move to Blackburn he has come leaps and bounds. Only criticism i would give him, he not a fast as sterling or Suarez.
FowlerGod.
Tom ince clearly has a lot of potential but I don't think this was a first team purchase, more like to add more depth in the attacking 3. I rate him as much as sterling and Assaidi (needs more first team action, so in terms of what we have already I'm not so sure. I'm just hoping that this isn't our only purchase because Tom ince is not a striker. If we purchase sturridge then that would add more to our first team.
Suarez, sturridge, sterling, ince, Assaidi, borini.
But we shall see.
Actually fowlergod i have to agree with you about Rhodes, i know football has changed over the years but we always got players on the cheap from lower divisions and turn them into great players, Rush from Chester,Keegan from Scunthorpe, Emlyn from blackpool, Hanson from Partick, Clem from Scunthorpe to name a few
Nowadays it always has to be marquee signings
Rhodes is an out and out scorer and maybe worth a punt
14 Dec 2012 16:56:36
Media reports walcott wont consider us cos we aint in champs leauge.well he aint sure of getting a game where he wants to.play elsewhere,and could be part of something big brendans stirring at lfc.he should give us a go for his own and our sake
Hasnt he got chanps league at arsenal tho? :/
Shak Attack
Shak mate hes unhappy at arsenal.and isnt played where he likes very often
He wont be in champs leauge for long with arsenal shak.also is he not thinking champs leauge next season? Thats more what was meant and the issue
14 Dec 2012 17:32:23
Hi Eds, Fellow Reds,
I want to post a message to the negative, abusive fans that litter this site and are a parisite to our great club. I know I am not alone in this message as many of our great supporters have posted in defence of our Owners, Manager, current players and possible future players. I want to add my voice in this post to the defence of Owners FSG.
Our Owners have been fantastic from the start. Yes, Fantastic. They are new to football and I have been extremely impressed with their actions and how they run the club. People forget rescued us from a dark place.
NAFs (Negative Abusive Fans) completely ignore the fact that they have supported us every single transfer season supporting efforts to get the managers top targets. All except one January transfer season as to me they lost faith in Comoli/Kenny's ability in the transfer market. OK, they are not Billionaire "Wannabe Manager" owners but they give significant funds to improving the team and do not intefere with the manager (with the latter being very important).
They have signed all of liverpool's top players Agger,Sktrel,Suarez etc. to long term deals and increased revenue significantly through sponsorship deals etc.
They sacked 2 failing managers (A clear a sign as you'll find that they are looking to bring success to LFC).
I believe they hired a great young manager in Rodgers and backed him to the tune of 30 million in his first transfer season.
They continue to look at the stadium issue and I am quite sure they will sort this out. NAFs think building or extended a stadium is like building a treehouse in your backyard.
I hope the Owners know that there is a lot of support for them from the LFC fans I know.
When I heard they got death threats I was appauled. And for what. The people who sent those are disgusting human beings and very uneducated in football matters.
I for one want to say a HUGE THANK YOU to FSG. Keep doing exactly what you are doing. The NAFs will come round when success comes and completely deny ever abusing you our great owners. They have very selective memory you'll find.
I invite all responses and will gladly dispute any NAFs. In Fact I welcome it. Come on and tell me what FSG are doing wrong and I will gladly tell you why you are wrong.
David
Good post, but please don't put me in the NAF category!
Piledriver
14 Dec 2012 17:54:59
David I suspect you are around 10 or 11 and godbless ye. But regardless of age your talkin through your apse. You have no clue what schysters theres owners are. They are the worst sort of parisite, playing on gullible fans like you. Rrrrrrrrrr, I fell sorry for ye.
Waro
I am strongly in agreement with you David.
Little doubt some of the so called NAF on this site are Trolls from other clubs.
Then the others .. I do not think that anything but the scoreline/goalscorers are important and have the opinions which in some cases are so utterly subjective it is almost fairytale.
I am so thankful we are not Rangers or sell our best player for next to no money (Arsenal). I am happy we have owners who are not milking us like H&G and the very nice men at Utd. We do not have owners like QPR , Man City, Chelsea, whom could leave the clubs in more trouble than H&G left us.
BR is a class Manager and I am really enjoying the football LFC are playing. I think to the trained eye, one can see numerous improvements in the players themselves. The owners, I think, one bitten twice shy may come into play, but I am the opposite of worried with them at this moment.
The future for our great club looks very good indeed in my opinion. The last time I felt this fully confident and happy in what was happening was 20+ years ago.
K79
Well said waro, you have showed us all the real plus and negatives point about having fsg as our owners, some real incite there on your behalf, the one thing on davids comments that i pick up an would be in favour of, is giving managment,players and owners more then one game to prove them selfs to us nef's. also i think rodgers should go 442 like a real football manager. i know you are with me on that one waro.
KUMBER
Hear hear. Great post dave.
Daveevad
14 Dec 2012 19:13:30
Waro what the hell are you on about?
Just explain to me how they are parasites exactly?
Show me any evidence they have taken any money out of the club whatsoever?
I have no idea as to the point your trying to make,except perhaps proving the OPs point?
WelshBoyDave
14 Dec 2012 19:19:09
Why do people like you feel the need to rip on people who post positive posts?
He's trying to rally some support,and you feel the need to undermine him by bringing an age factor into it,although his post has less grammar errors than yours.
WelshBoyDave
Welshboy dave have you not seen waro's posts before its just easier to skip them hes a real happy chappy full of the joys of life if you read his posts you will end up phoning the samaritans with him hes never had 1 good thing to say about fsg or prettey much i dont remember him saying anything nice about any 1 other than saurez lol
Well said Waro, FSG are nothing but venture capitalist parasites, looking for an immediate return and capital gain in the short to medium term. If you think these people have the interests of the fans and success of the club at heart, you must be wet behind he ears.
Ozone
Good post (not waro's ;o) )
I've posted on here for about 2 years; I posted negatively against Roy; not because I don't love our club but the style of football he was playing was completely different to the set of players he had available - it was shocking. Does that put me in this group? not sure
I like BR and the way he has us playing is good - yes we need at least 2 players (IMO what we are short of) and maybe had Carroll been sold that would've been rectified.
My main concern (this isnt directed at anyone) is the number of players bought in transfer windows since Hodgson came in. nearly 75%+ are no longer at the club or appear to be on their way out.
As a club we can't manage that - people will say we bought merilsas (spellind) and sold him for similar money to Chelsea but with tax, agent fees, wages, signing on fees we would've made a loss.
IMO we need to give BR minimum 3 years; bring the players he wants in, remove the ones he doesn't and move forward rather than staying the same each year.
Do i think the owners are great - i have no opinion either way (yes they bought us but they also bought us at a heavy discount); do they deserve death threats and abuse - simple answer no!
Media is everywhere stories appear - it doesn't help but I would say some people on here are ill informed and very negative.
Not now but 2 or 3 years we could become v successful with the squad we have and some younger players gaining experience.
Hoola
A 10 year old who seems to know a lot more about football than you waro
JJ
14 Dec 2012 17:31:43
Don't see why some fans are annoyed we are buying Ince back for more money than we let him go for Barcelona have done it some some success.
JTR
Inconsistent judgement, unclear transfer policy, previously limited availability for youth player development to first team, wasting money...
Should I go on ?
Simple Simon
14 Dec 2012 19:26:57
What worries me,is that we can't have let him go thinking he'd make it big time. So are we letting more players go with huge potential?
WelshBoyDave
Well when we change manager every year we are going to be inconsistent and we will suffer in the transfer windows too.
derryred
Waro, who in your opinion has the best owners in the Prem?
dd
I'm not complaining if we sign him - if BR thinks he's the right person then so be it.
However Barcelona normally sell and have an agreed buy back price after the first and second season.
It is possible that Ince cost nearly nothing to Blackpool and we are then buying back for around £6M - same as scott sinclare (Olympics team....)
Had we sold for 2m and bought back for 3 or 4M then your argument stacks up.
However if he's the right player then it really doesn't matter how much he costs.
Hoola
14 Dec 2012 16:50:26
Llorente last 24h odds on to join us 8/1 > 11/8 > now 10/11. They rarely make mistakes.. it's all about their money ;)
Just like we were odds on to sign Ribery.. It quite literally means NOTHING.
No it's all about your money and what they can mug off the gullible.
MIKEY
And martinez was odds on to be next lfc manager could write a list full length of page with how many times the bookies have got it wrong lol
Same thing happened with Walcott in summer and that never materialised.
How do i know, cos i made the mistake by putting a tenner on him coming to LFC lol
FowlerGod.
Transfer odds get reduced purely on money put on, just £200 quid placed can reduce odds considerably. If the bookies have inside info on a transfer u will see it go 1/10 or 1/20 or more realistically book closed. And even then things go wrong like Dempsey deal in summer. In short unless the odds are seriously odds on dont even consider it in your thoughts, even then no gaurantees.
A bookmakers will slash odds like this even if no money has been placed. it makes the public think someone is in the no and it must be true.. and a website work together, slash the odds, a website broadcast it on the news.Sky make money from the brainwashed public
Adam
Every comment above is correct. It does make you wonder how people still make Murdoch's papers, Sky & X-factor (& such like) part of their lives. Not your buddies at all... just there to screw you for money. Wise up...
dd
14 Dec 2012 16:16:38
So if we sign sturridge and ince our front line will probably look like this:
Sterling/ince---suarez---sturridge
Have to say it's an improvement on what we have regardless of if you think they are the right signings or not.
That front 3 is interchangeable, fluid, young, pacey and skillfull. Just what Rodgers wants. Let's not be too critical because I think they might actually produce a lot more goals than our current front 3 produce.
MIKEY
I would play sturridge thru the middle and have suarez coming in from the flanks imo that is when he is at his most potent.
KUMBER
And it gives us options with borini coming back too its something we dont have a lot of right now id happily take ince back looks a great player improved lots with game time only young will get better too just need another striker ill be happy with januarys buisness
I'm not sure I would move him on the flank as such kumber. I agree it's probably his best position but he's playing so well centrally I would keep him there for now and allow himself and sturridge to swap positions as they see fit. Eventually making the front 3 effectively free roles.
MIKEY
You missed out Borini my friend, he'll be popping up and making a difference as well.
We'll have Suarez, Sterling, Sturridge, Ince, Borini, Morgan, Yesil and N'goo.
Maybe Ince willl always stay out wide, as he's much more of a winger? I don't know, Rodgers hasn't seemed to give much care about that when it's concerned young Sterling, nor did he mind with Sinclair or Dyer being used as a striker of sorts at times, when still at Swansea.
So we'll have Morgan hopefully out on loan, i want him to play regular league football, i think it's fundamental and crucial at his age and ability he gets away from home comforts and battles even harder. He is one of the most dedicated youth players i've seen. Sterling maybe have everything in his locker, but he's not got Morgan's attitude, much is the pity.
14 Dec 2012 19:29:48
I can't see Rodgers moving Suarez out wide,tbh i agree that may be the most potent line up,but i just cant see him doing it.
WelshBoyDave
14 Dec 2012 16:03:56
I think this Ince deal is an interesting one... We may have wasted a few millions in buying him back in less than two years. But look at the development he has had over this time period! He has developed into a fine player.
I believe LFC are building a good relationship with Blackpool, one that could be beneficial to our reserve team in the future.
We are becoming more like Barcelona by the day. Future looks bright.
STB
You're having a laugh aren't you ?
I bet Blackpool love us.
Give Ian Ayre a Kiss Me Quick hat and a bucket full of pound coins for the slot machines next time we go up there.
Simple Simon
If ince turns out to be a success, it will not be a waste of money.
derryred
14 Dec 2012 15:55:35
Hi Ed hope all is well with you . I only got one question to ask is there any update on Raheem Sterling ?
Thanks Ed doing a great job ...... {Ed002's Note - There are no updates at this time.}
14 Dec 2012 15:52:29
Well done to the U-18's on reaching the final of the NexLions Cup with a 1-0 win vs a Singapore team earlier today. Yesil cheeky back-heel was the difference in the game. They will play Sporting Lisbon in the final on Sunday after they (Sporting) beat the Mancs 4-1. The starting 11 were
Fulton, McLaughlin, Smith, Heaton, Jones, Lussey, Morgan, Dunn, Pelosi, Yesil, Ibe.
Subs:Mersin,Petersson, Maguire, Baio, Sinclair.
Chi-Paul
14 Dec 2012 15:26:34
Not to happy about us signing Ince....
I thought the reason we let him go was because he was asking for too much in wages and his dad was always sticking his nose in..so what's changed?
Surely we look silly as now he will be getting these wages and in my eyes and mine only he is a squad player at most with a big ego.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
Kenny sold him, not BR. Therefore if he wants to bring him back I completely support it. As someone said earlier I'd rather him banging in a few goals for us than any other team. If BR wants him thats fine with me, think it was a mistake letting him go in the 1st place. I know he asked for high wages for a youngster but I'm sure a loan arrangement with Blackpool or another team could have been on the cards.
Irish Redman
14 Dec 2012 15:26:09
Another rubbish reply by SHARK ATTACK....allen is a waste of money..period let rodgers keep feeding you that crap of allen's role.what is the out of position you keep saying he is a box to box midfielder.if it is to keep possesion and pass sideways and backwards allen is good for then henderson would have been for the role..why can't he play there.so because you are the dm means you don't make foward passes,or tend to contribute in attack.allen does none of that..xavi makes things happen with the ball allen doesn't.. lucas in the past two games has contributed more in attack than allen has done this season...that's what we kept saying last season..when we were drawing games and loosing until may..we are 4points off 4th..what if we draw and loose our next 2 games what happens then??are u saying sturridge is the kind of player we need to challenge for the league impossible..compare the core of united's team and ours..ince would flourish there than here..fergie doesn't need him to play regularly,just a couple of starts and substitute appearances..liverpool we need quality players who would relieve the pressure off suarez...sturridge and ince won't do that if sturridge.was so good as you claim then I think he should at least be on the bench for chelsea..do you think if sterling,suso and wisdom were in the championship they won't shine like ince cut the crap please..how can you say we already have a world class striker we don't need another.?we need.one more then you can start thinking of sturridge..with the 26m he wasted on borini and allen,we could have gotten just one world class striker to play upfront with suarez..this model of buying young players,wenger has done it over the years..but did he focus on only english players??of course not..and please don't tell me rodgers has a better eye in the transfer market than wenger..
PACMAN
I'm not even going to bother trying to read that, it's giving me a headache just looking at it.
No need to read it mate all his posts are the same, just disagree with it
What have you got against Sharks Dude?
Not going to bother even reading your posts at all from now on you're so obviously a troll
Cheers
Shak Attack
I read the post what a load of trollox twos lad writes. Why bother stating someone for.writing there opinion when urs sound s like the opinion of a manc
Quigz23
Whatever, Pac... Anyway, Rodgers is the decision maker, not you (thankfully!). He is the best manager who can work with limited resources and developing youth. If it was you in charge... LFC would go bankrupt and fold before you can even say 'I've Got Pacman Fever'! Singred
Pacman. Your posts are all pathetic. Every single word shows you know absolutely nothing about football whatsoever.
Allen is not a box to box midfielder
U mate are better of playing pacman.you have no idea about football do you?
So embarrassing mate I feel sorry you.
Ok pacman who would you buy with this 18 or so million? id like to know what the transfer guru would do with the money.
KUMBER
Imo Ince can be a quality player for us. Not sure about sturridge though. But i trust BR to make the right decisions.
Indian Buzzer
Come on guys, lets give him some credibility. He signed his name off.
Piledriver
14 Dec 2012 15:18:45
I want to take my little boy to Anfield on 2nd Jan 13, LFC v Sunderland. Where is the best place to buy tickets from. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Go on www. /ticket news ,but you might struggle mate
Tickets are on general sale on the Officail LFC website, no adult/child tickets left though.
14 Dec 2012 15:01:52
Daniel Sturridge is and would be a massive mistake by BR and I cannot believe we are even considering him...greedy, egotistical player who never knows when to pass the ball...massive chip on his shoulder....if we sign him i think it would be a massive mistake...in your opinion eds, who do u seriously think we will go for?
Think we have enough players that pass the ball mbeed some goal scorers now i think
Shak Attack
Totally agree - what on earth would we want with a player that can actually score goals -we must be able to buy someone without a goalscoring record to satisfy some people.
Don't usually agree with Shak Attack but I think you're spot on there mate, plus Sturridge might surprise a few playing in the right system.
14 Dec 2012 14:59:37
Ed..great site and excellent work..
If rumours are to be believed...Chelsea gonna buy falcao..and most possibly another DM...roman is a crazy man who loves football more than his life..and may be he has no brains..
if chelsea do land him...I cant see them dropping out from Top 4 in another 10 years..
Mata, hazard, oscar, marin, they have a pretyy young squad with excellent quality..
weather they buy or develop..
UTD and city..will too buy, buy and buy..and they will be competing for title every year for atleast another 10 more..
which leaves the last spot...Arsenal are a very good team...they too will be spending, hentelar, zaha,...
cant see them giving up from Top 4..
And if wenger fails to get any medal thi seaon...surely it will replaced by Pep in the summer..
which will actually make them more stronger..
Ed tell me what, When and how are we gonna compete?
Leagus is 38 games a season...
chelsea, city, UTD and arsenal will not loose 10 games a season to rule them out of the TOP 4..
Spurs are a team who is equally competing for Top 4..but they wont qualify coz, chelseam city UTD and arsenal are very strong..
Ed you said, fans said we will be happy for a top 6 finish this season..
you believe we can challenge these club next year?
The reality is city replaced us in the Top 4..
and its impossible to catch them again...
We are a well maintained club, in terms of profit, wages and income...like stoke, sunderland, or new castle...and this will continue for another 5 more years..but this will not guarantee CL which we require most...
We had the best chance last year, since new owners, money, chelsea and arsenal were awful, and we wasted...chances wont come every hour..
By this..people will abuse me, will suggest me to support another club..which is ridiculous...
I am not moaning, But I am just exporing the reality..
Ed pls shed your views.
YNWA {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has consistently spent money on players - more than Arsenal, more than Spurs. I said at the start of teh season teh club would be fighting for European places and I stand by that.}
I wouldn't be so sure about united remaining in the top 4 for years to come, they are going to find things very different when ferguson steps down
Sounds like a moan to me.
John B
"I wouldn't be so sure about united remaining in the top 4 for years to come, they are going to find things very different when ferguson steps down"
too true pal. watch how all of a sudden english football becomes fair and based on a level playing field for everyone for the first time in 2 decades.
Cant believe people see this as moaning...
i am sure some people here celebrates after loosing...becoz they dont get depressed and moan...
pathetic..
14 Dec 2012 14:56:38
As regards to a piece in today's times, Comolli and Dalglish were asked if they wanted to go for Goetze. They said Henderson was a priorty.
And they say they would have saved our season...
14 Dec 2012 14:55:30
from BBC twitter, Demba Ba to sign for Liverpool for £9M in the first week.
Won't happen as Rodgers wants his strikers to be able to play anywhere in a front 3, thats why we have gone for Sturridge & Ince.
BigD
14 Dec 2012 14:40:48
eds ,if we cast are minds back to august,just before we made any signings,undre rodgers,i seem to remember rodgers been asked who is he gona sign etc ,& he said the usual stuff( ive afew in mind, if ican get 2or3 in to help the group & so on)but ican remember himalso saying that one signing will have the fans on the edge of there seats,........DIDNT HAPPEN
now only afew weeks back our chairman came out & said ther will be new signings in jan & one of them signings will have the fans very excited, now will this happen or are the owners just saying rubbishe to try keep us happy for awhile or are they gona spend big in jan to get 1-2 top players
because they really need to show us fans that there in for the long haul& by geting at least 1 top striker in jan ,that will show us that they mean what they say ,,because at the minute all there talk is cheap,they need to br what he needs,there trust & there backing
IRISH RED
Mate you make it seem like every top player is jumping out of their seat to sign for LFC a mid table not even in champions league side... Let's be honest they can give their backing but whether some "TOP STRIKER" wants to join us is really based on the striker. Realistically we can't make big signings because were not a top four club atm.
14 Dec 2012 15:15:24
I was excited by Sahin....
And just look at how well Sahin has performed... Big Signings are not always great.
The player was Borini. It is just a shame that he has been out injured and didn't get a solid run of games in the PL
B101
14 Dec 2012 14:24:27
What would be a successful season for us?
Mine would be:
5th in the Epl
FA Cup or Europe League Winners
BigD
Thats impossible..
we dont have enough quality..
I would take top 4, presuming qualification into champions league over a cup this year. The money and the talent we could attract, would be worth it. Also, it would prove to Suarez we are at that level and I want to see Gerrard get another go at the cup.
Anderew
If we sell downing and sign a proven goal scorer
Totally agree. Stay playing in Europe and continue building next season. Well said.
~Fresh
We would have to be very lucky to get semi,s of Europa there some good team in there .but with a good xmas period and a couple of good additions we might make top 4/5
5th would be better than 4th because i believe that the team needs to be playing together a bit longer, i really do feel we need another year in the Europe League as the likes of Wisdom, Suso, Sterling would all have a 2nd year of 1st team football under there belts and Allen, Borini, Assaidi & potentially signings of Sturridge and Ince will all of had 18 - 24 months of playing together so the team would of gelled enough.
BigD
BigD... Are you insane?..
At this rate we will be lucky to get 10th....which actually might be good as FSG might then realise how rubbishe BR really is and go find a decent manager
14 Dec 2012 13:55:11
Put Suarez on the right of the front 3, Sterling in the centre and Enrique out on the left. By a left back or use downing and buy shawcross . we should push johnson up to midfield and wisdom behind him.
Thes Mell
Why buy Shawcross? We have Agger, Skirtl, Coates, and then not forgetting Wisdom, Kelly ( both decent centre halves ) and of course there is Stephen Sama who will be a success when given the chance.
That position is certainly one we do not need to spend money on.
John B
Hasn't Enrique got a hamstring injury?
Red twist
So play our best winger as a striker and put our best striker on the wing?
LMFAO
And you can go for a walk...
get a grip...sterling in the middle..enrique on left...
this isnt any experiment...
I hope this is a joke.
JFT 96
JP
Johnson in midfield? That's ridiculous.. Maybe on the wing but not in midfield.
BthekingB
Sterling's pace through the middle = red cards and penalties. Name one center back that can go stride for stride with Sterling. If I remember last time we put him through the middle he scored that great goal.
Andrew
Get a grip. Sterling is too small and will be manhandled all game as a CF. Suarez needs quality with him in the front 3 with a good back-up CF. I actually think Sterling, like Suso, should start on the bench.
Ideally a front 3 of:
Suarez - Sturridge - Walcott
would do me fine and terrorize defenses. Hope we sign both.
Andrew we don't get penalties.
Scouse_Pride
14 Dec 2012 13:49:37
I always thought Commoli was a delusional self publicist and he proved it today in the several "newspaper exclusives".
14 Dec 2012 13:48:41
Which club's
14 Dec 2012 13:38:52
I've just seen the last five minutes of the U-19 against Singapore in the Next Lions Cup. Liverpool leading 1-0 (Yesil) but it's just like watching the 1st Team - very SLOW build-up - too many missed passes - too many passes back to the goalkeeper. Very frustrating.
DM2012
(by the way, I won't be posting any more after the end of the month!).
Why not? - this site needs positive posts like yours - oh wait, it was yet another complaining post about a young LFC side winning a game.
Your comments won't be missed methinks.
Are you off to a place where everything is wonderful & brilliant>>?
I've seen our u21's play its not slow build up at all they were attack attack attack against Crystal Palace but I assume you know more seeing as you watched the last five minutes of a game.
14 Dec 2012 13:15:55
Because a real supporter gets behind the manager and his vision and SUPPORTS it UNTIL it fails, so called fans like you are writing off Brendan and his apparent targets before they've even given a chance or in Sturridge's case, kicked a ball for Liverpool!
And the reasons why you are not given then a chance is because they're British? I actually find that offensive and quite frankly bordering on racism.
England has produced some of the workds best players over the years; gerrard, mcmanaman, owen, fowler, dalglish, rush, shearer, carragher, giggs, beckham, best, charlton, keane, barnes, rooney the list is endless (apologies for mentioning united players but every real football fan would agree that theyre top british players)
Not to mention some of the most exciting young prospects such as sterling, coady, wisdom, kelly and yes even Ince!
Every country has their crop of quality and Rubbish,
I can tell u many, many, MANY south american, spanish, etc flops that have been bought by european clubs,
Only point worth agreeing on is that british players tend to be a little more expensive but if u think the likes of michu at around 2 million are everywhere to be found we'll id argue that, that is simply not the case, infact NO player is guarenteed to do well we could fork out 25 mill on Lewandowski and he might only score 10-12 goals for us ??
You want to be a REAL supporter? Then the least you and others can do is Support the manager and his targets! No ones a failure until theyve failed. And if the manager based his decisions on what fans like u want we'd have an average gaston ramirez moping aroubd in our starting 11 and joe cole/henderson wouldnt of been brought on from the subs bench to win us our last two matches
And if we made the managers decisions then the manager cant be held accountable, the last time we as fans got our way King Kenny was hired and we all know how that eventually worked out
In conclusion: its not the fact that they're british its a simple fact of if they're good and we wont know that until they play.
We could always call sturridge "sturrinho" and pretend he's Robinho's (another brazilian flop!) cousin if that makes u happy
So that's the rubbish reply by shark attack...you never talk about the players we bought last year shark.you start talking about racism..or hendo,carroll,downing,adam are spanish players..??obviously there are flops everywhere,but that is why there are so called scouts to extensively focus on the players strenghts and weaknesses to determine if he is up for the premier league..it might not work everytime but I rather we take our chance with foreign players than with this crop of english players all over the place don't get me wrong there are world class english players but majority right now are overhyped..just answer the question is sturridge worth 12m or ince 6m?if sturridge was on loan fine,and ince worth 2m no problem..but 18m is a waste of money that's the truth..my main point is foreign players have proven value for money over the years.and stop pulling that be a supporter crap..so cos you wait until we buy them and criticise later on,but I criticise before we do makes you a better fan that's your problem..if fsg had an in depth experience in football we won't buy this sort of players..so you are telling me allen,and borini are the standard of players we need..what is allen doing that shelvey,spearing,hendo could not have done...so you rather we buy sturridge than maybe lewandowski or jovetic??
PACMAN
14 Dec 2012 13:38:45
Allen and Borini are 21 and 22 years old.. They are hardly in their prime!
Allen has played two games in his preferred position and Borini has played about 10 games out of position because we had no right winger!
I'm not saying your not a fan because you critiscise, but you do need to hold your tongue. If we sign Sturridge and he turns into a 25 goals a season striker, will you apologise?
As for your valuations, yes I beleive Sturridge and Ince are worth £12m and £6m respectively.
You obviously want the best for the club, but you have to be realistic. Building a solid British core is the best way forward. We could buy the next Fabregas, the next Ronaldo etc. But one day they will clear off to Madrid or Barca. British players are loyal, and if you pick the right ones, they can win you titles.
We're building a team for the next decade, not 11 pri-'Maradonnas' who will clear off in 3 years time for more money!
YNWA! (Adam)
I agree 99.99% with PACMAN 99.99%
I can understand you need a squad of players to be competitive so yes sign Borini and Allen etc to be part of the squad but at some point you need to sign some class.
Mancs for example midfield and back four are good squad players. RVP,Rooney,Hernandez and Wellbeck easily 80 goals - This is what wins titles.
So FSG and management, take your fingers out of your arse..nal and smell the coffee. Forget name players get us a proven goal scorer that will bag 25+ goals to make us competitive.
Waleed
There's no point trying to argue further when you are letting my key points fly over your head.
If a player flops its because they arent good enough not because of their nationality as i said i could name countless south america and european flops how do the names bebe and poulsen sound to you?
If you dont know what allens role is in the system BR is implementing i suggest you go watch Xavi whoms job for barca is to be the "controller" in midfield and being available for every player around the pitch from a central position which is vital in keeping possesion of the football
Allen has played most this season admirably out of position covering for lucas
The fact remaine we've lost only 1 game from the last 11 and are only 4 points off top 4 with a team of youth players and BR has only had 1 transfer window
Lastly im going to put this nice and simple for your simple mind to understand
To challenge for the title you need score around 70-80 goals sturridge has a very handsom goals to games started record for THE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS and he scored them from playing on the right
Walcott has been arsenals 2nd top goalscorer for arsenal for the past 2 seasons just behind van persie
As i also said previous there isnt a michu on every corner, and when u look at michus record his goals to gamed in spain was average at best
Bottom line BR isnt failing and he should be supported on his targets
And if Ince is soooo awful why do man utd want him?
You are a joke "pacman" players like lewandowski are competing in the CL which means their clubs probs wont sell, the player wont leave and if theydid theyd cost upwards of 30 million in january, jovetic would cost the around same and does he want to come to us right now when he could go to city, chelsea, etc?
As i keep saying we need 70-80 goals in our team which we'll no doubt add to. We need forwards like sturridge who can score around 15 goals, we alresdy have a worldclass striker in suarez so we dont need another one (maybe a back up one only) we need players like sturridge, walcott, etc who can get goals from the wing.
You need to somehow obtain some logic if it is at all a possibility
If you dont want to support what the club and management are doing then you dont need to.
Shak Attack
Pac - I think you've forgotten we urgently need reinforcements who are willing to join us in Jan instead of the summer. How many foreign clubs you know are keen to release their players in Jan?
Lewandowski, Jovetic, Remy and those foreigners that you love are very long shots to join us because firstly we can't offer Champions League football, or break our wage structure just to accomodate them. If we do that - there' will be a revolt and everyone else will demand higher wages. Do you get it?
'Goofy' Sigurdsson was all but signed for us until spuds turned his head with the dosh thrown at him, and Rodgers stamped his feet and said no. On hindsight, Rodgers was right - we certainly dodged a bullet.
But the good news is - we are linked with Ba and Huntelaar - that's foreign enough for you! But no guarantee that they will turn out ok
Singred
Y was boroni bought and for which position`?
he was bough to be in the middle...he failed..so he was shifted to right..and he failed again,.,
Please don't call your self a supporter do you know the meaning of the word support? If every Liverpool fan was like you Liverpool would go down hill completely.
You are judging Sturridge and ince on our past English players however they have not kicked a ball for us yet so how can you judge them?! Your slating them before they have even came because you predict they are going to be poor? What if you're wrong? Your forgetting brendon Rodgers wants these players not daglish they are completely different just because they are English you are slating them which is bordering on racism.
The players you mentioned at the bottom your suggesting how do you know they won't turn out flops? What if he can't hack going from German to the premier league? Not to mention them players are un likely to come?
Also like to point out FSG do not scout the players they trust in their staff and invest the money and they've spent alot since buying our club not just transfers but if you read ed02 comments you'll see they are investing a lot of money
And Allen is a quality player who already is making our midfield tick and if off form at the moment which is expected when going to such a big club and having family concerns. As for Borini your judging him on like 5 games! What's wrong with you? PAC man your an idiot and a poor supporter. People can have an opinion but if I said in my opinion pigs could grow wings and then will fly in 5 days does that make it right?
Red twist
Your post had a certain amount common sense until you mentioned Allen in same paragraph as Spearing.
Your name Pacman indicates you like video games - and obviously Fifa 2012 ( or whatever ), and this has given you a far better knowledge of the football world than people who actually make their living doing it.
Shelvey, Allen, Henderson ( and possibly Borini ) are part of the future of our club.
John B
Roy Keane is Irish not British mate!
Dude, I have been a supporter for 27 years. So don't talk arse..nal with me (you go and support another club).
As a youngster the likes of Barnes, Beardsley and Rush these were the type of players that attracted me to the club and oh yes our "Candy" kit. Top class players.
So why should my expectations change? I am fully supportive w.r.t the transformation taking place and think BR is the perfect guy to lead us through the change.
This does not mean I need to settle for mediocrity. If something aint right then fix it.
Perfect example Whisky nose loses EPL on goal diff. What does he go and do, identifies the problem and buys RVP. How many games have RVP won this season.
This is the mentality needed to succeed.
I am of the opinion we will have a true reflection of the ambitions of the club come next year.
Waleed
'Y was boroni bought and for which position`?
he was bough to be in the middle...he failed..so he was shifted to right..and he failed again,.,'
Just....speechless.
It's embarrassing to read.
JFT 96
JP
14 Dec 2012 15:32:53
As much as i loved your game Pacman,your wrong mate. You cant just throw out a list of names and say for certain they would be better players. Right now our target is to sign players that can help us make 4th,not unrealistic signings that would cripple the club financially.
Shak mate i made the point a few days ago that Sturridge is not Carroll and Ince is not Downing,and thus shouldn't be judged as such. I would rather have Sturridge at 12 million than Carroll and Downing at 55(jesus they saw us coming) so your point isnt lost on us all!
WelshBoyDave
Mate you need help. The embarrassment I feel for you is genuine. Your posts are all pointless. You need direction in your life mate. You don't seem to be going anywhere.
Rodgers is identifying the problem, its goals from our wide forward positions, and thus is looking at walcott and sturridge and ince all who provide goals from this position
people moan about sturridge. he s a knob selfish etc etc etc, yet proof says he s a good team player when he is playing regularly and more important he scores goals when played regularly.
he would cost 12 million
jovetic and lewandowski twice that much, they arent viable options at the moment
for now we need to improve the squad. the squad needs more goalsw from the wide forward positions, so whilst sturridge and walcott may not be everyones ideal players they will benefit the squad s goal tally as a whole. with sturridge capable of playing a cf s role if suarez gets injured.
to be honest i think sturridge could be the signing of the season at 12 million. he could prove to be a very shrewd invetsment. because when he plays he scores and that is undeniable. he is even managing to bag a reasonable amount of goals at chelsea with limited game time. playing regularly will benefit him and the team.
tom 1975
14 Dec 2012 12:56:02
Firstly, thanks Ed002 for answering my post regarding Ince yesterday. Hopefully that'll stop people claiming we get 35% off. Its Blackpool people, not Lidl..
I would just like to give a few opinions..
1) Why do people constantly say Sturridge is not good enough? He reminds me a lot of Sterling tbh. At 17/18 he was labelled a footballing Prodigy and said to have more potential than Wayne Rooney. Then some Sheikh turned up and made him into a reserve..
He left seeking first team football, and must have had his head turned by money, as he ended up at Chelsea.. Despite still being only 23 he has clocked up a great number of appearances whilst playing for two teams who can just chuck money at problems. That indicates his quality if nothing else. To top this, his chance conversion and minutes per goal/assist stats (imo the two that best define a strikers ability) are reasonably good. I agree with Shak Attacks sentiments that if he were Robinho's Brazilian cousin, he'd definitely be higher up the wish lists. But why? Because the media tells you England don't produce talent, is why.
2) I can understand the mixed opinions on the owners. However, people are passing judgement on them too fast. Some say they are saviours, others say they are H&G 2.0. I am going to wait until they have been in charge for 3 full seasons before i make that judgement call. we are currently half way through their second so lets calm down please! They have proved nothing good nor anything bad as of yet.
3) I understand most of you have stopped reading by now, and will skim this paragraph at the best, but i really want to know why everyone is so keen to be rid of Downing, Henderson and Cole? At this moment, our squad is so thin, we are struggling to cope with playing weeknights (West Ham was the first time this season we'd won the weekend after a Europa game). So arguably, we need to hold on to what we've got, maybe loan out some youngstars who need regular game time (Pacheco etc), but additions are a priority.
If you got to here without skipping anything, you have shown patience with my post, thus proving you have the ability to show patience to the club, and everyone who represents it.
YNWA! (Adam)
Stats that are "reasonably good" is not what you expect for 12-15m - thats my opinion.
Apart from that the rest of your post was bang on!
Patience ive got, worrying about the future of the club is something I cant seem to avoid!
YNWA JFT96 jns
RE the FSG comment, they have done plenty of good and not much wrong imo.
Good points:
They have got rid of a number of sub-par players. We have moved on 26 players in their reign, only 1 of which I think can be argued as a possible mistake - Ince, which is a pretty good strike rate (96% success)
They have sorted out the financials of the club (including paying off £300+million of debts)
They are re-developing Anfield rather than building a new stadium, which is most peoples wish.
They have brought in a top class manager and I now believe that after the initial setback (can't be perfect all the time), they have the right people in the right places at the club.
Bad points:
The Clint Dempsey situation, although I see their point. Spending £6mill on a guy who will only be in the first team for 2 years with no return on that initial investment is a big risk. Especially considering how many players need time to bed in at a new football club - Dempsey has hardly set the world alight at Tottenham - he might only have had 1.5 good years for us.
The kenny/commoli transfers. This was a mistake and there is no real justifying this. But everyone makes mistakes and it would be harsh to judge them badly for this. They stumped up the cash. Although this could be a time will tell point, Downing I admit was a waste of money, but Hendo and Carroll could still come good (Henderson more so than Carroll)
Points that only time will tell:
Their vision for the club is something that we cannot judge now. For now, we can go down 1 of 2 paths. We can either go on and try to win everything out there and become one of the worlds best (in my opinion this is what they will do, although it carries more of a risk. They will want to build the brand and get the most revenue). Or, we will end up qualifying for the champions league each year and make a profit.
This will be the point where I believe they can be judged. Everything so far they have done with the best intentions and I struggle to see why they are hounded other than the dempsey situation (which worked out pretty well didn't it?)
I look forward to some good replies :)
B101
14 Dec 2012 12:48:59
Anyone else like me who prefers when the team wears the red sox with the black kit? Gives it an extra edge IMO rather than full black
Shak Attack
14 Dec 2012 13:09:06
As long as its bears the Liverpool badge! (unless its Royal blue, or fluorescent pink...)
But my preferation for kits has always been to maintain 1 or 2 colours. The only kits thats broken this rule which i like, is this years 3rd kit with Orange, Purple and white.. mysterious!
YNWA! (Adam)
Are you the fashion police?
That's exactly what the owners think and they now want to re-name us the Red socks!
14 Dec 2012 12:11:16
Eds fellow reds , I know this is a liverpool page ,but just watching SSN and wenger looks ill to me blood shoot eyes and frail looking .time to take a break mr wenger .
14 Dec 2012 12:05:26
The owners are doing everything they can IMO. Whilst some criticise the lack of spending by the owners, perhaps they should remember that we are in the top 10 in the world in terms of spending since they have been here. They have placed us in a much better position financially, and have taken great steps to improving our off-field and commercial activities. Their long-term plan is the right one in my opinion in terms of playing staff- try to bring as many people through the academy and focusing the available finances on a few players that will make a significant difference to the squad.
BR has not been brought in to bring success in the short-term, but instead, to build for the future. Having the squad that has the lowest average age in the PL and only being 4 points off 4th (and only 2 points off a team who has a manager who has been there for 16 years) is very reasonable. Bringing long-term success to the club was never going to be easy or quick.
So enjoy supporting the club, we all know Liverpool FC is a club that doesn't do anything easily! Yes we probably regret being a supporter sometimes as it comes with serious health consequences! But isn't that why we love our club so much? Remember supporting a club doesn't just meaning boasting about the latest trophy your club has won, its about being part of a family who have a common love.
Rant over!
El Pi**edolero
Well said. Brilliant post
Good post..but pls continue whose responsible for our leagur form?
woodword. referee, players?
we purchaesd some absolute rubbishs..which we cant offload after a single window?
never criticize the owners...
criticize stuppid commollil..
ed is it true that we went for henderson instead of mario gotze?
can u believe that by KK?
henderson better than gotze? {Ed002's Note - No.}
Ed..seems commollil said so... {Ed002's Note - Perhaps Comolli knew Goetze would not have made the move. His name may well have been on some list that was considered, but that will be all.}
14 Dec 2012 11:13:00
Hi to all the Eds. Have a merry christmas and a healthy new year, cos in January 2013 you are going to be blasted with rumours galore in the transfer window. aklfc
14 Dec 2012 10:31:34
Not reds related initially, but do u see other clubs throwing a lot of money about in Jan eds? {Ed002's Note - It depends what you mean by "a lot". Certainly a number of clubs are looking to bring players in and will likely be spending "a lot".}
14 Dec 2012 11:12:17
Hey guys just a post to keep the faith and positivity going..i seem to remeber that barcelona pre ronaldinho were in a similar patch to where we are now..between 2000-2003 before exploding back to life and winning trophy after trophy through stability and quietly building a team that can dominate for years to come.I firmly believe in brendan and the boys and whats going on.However no club regardless of how good or talented the players/manager are will ever reach the heights of barca unless supporters pull together and support the team through thick and thin.
I love this club and i will die loving this club because of what we stand for,the family feeling most fans show towards other lfc fans and the passion and knowledge the fans show towards football and the finer aspects of the game.
Liverpool will rise again and until then keep supporting and pushing the lads.Im certain it will make that successfull period all the more sweeter when we get there.
Thanks guys
LION KING
They still had iniesta, xavi, puyol..., although we have allen,agger, shelvey!!
RomseyRed
14 Dec 2012 11:05:20
Sorry but I think some people are crazy here...what is the crap you. Say support the manager,support the club??what have we been doing all these years..they never answer the question is sturridge worth 12m or ince worth 6m??..stop with the you're not a true fan talk..support the players he wants..how can I support this kind of players..the only way this signings.would be good was if we had a fantastic squad, who challenge for the epl then they would be squad players.not when we have too many average players who never provide value for money and you add more and think you would challenge for top 4 ..aren't you tired of nuturing talent we have enough already why add more??better we go for players who come in and get the job done..we spend 15m on a player you say give him time,11m the same.WTF is that?there is a thin line between being positive and being foolish..insult.me all you want doesn't mean you are right..rodgers has not signed good players..borini,allen,sturridge,ince,=44m if these are players brendan wants,I prefer he promotes coady,morgan,ibe,to the first team
PACMAN
Pacman your posts are absolute rubbish.. Your judging players before they have even kicked a ball for us. Not only that your judging Allen on games he has played out of position and Borini on like 3/4 games?! Go down and read shak attacks post. He completely destroys you yet you can't answer back and make another pointless post
How can you say who's worth what until they've played and proved it?
Name me someone we can buy in jan who can play all 3 forward roles, will score around 15 a season, is young and most importantly wants to join us presently?
Sturridge will score goals thats almost guarenteed and thats something we need right now, and we need atleast 70 of them
Can we just let our new manager manage the team
Hes done fantastic so far bleeding in all these youngesters and bringing us only 4 points off top 4 with 1 striker available
And btw im going to enjoy ripping into u when/if sturridge comes in and bags goals for us
Shak Attack
Your posts are so negative it's untrue. There's nothing constructive in them, it's just one long moan and I think that's what gets on people's nerves. Coady, Ibe etc are too young, rushing them could potentially ruin them, and then you'd complain about how we played our youngsters too soon. There really is no pleasing some people.
Challenge of the day 'PACMAN' - Say something positive. A lot of us come on here to hear good structured opinions and decent debates about players, yet with your posts you just seem to feel the need to almost incessantly whine about Liverpool. So BR wants Sturridge and Ince, SO WHAT. They aren't even SIGNED let alone put on a red shirt and you're ALREADY judging and crying about them. Give your head a shake and brighten the hell up, there's just as much a chance they could be brilliant as they could be flops.
JFT 96
JP
So you reckon a team full of kids is the answer eh pacman? Sterling + suso = 1 goal and 1 assist all season between them... Sturridge + Ince = loads of goals when they play now stop with your nonsense young man!
JJ
14 Dec 2012 13:10:31
If nothing else Pacman loves an inappropriate full stop
Joe
I think secretly you're a gooner trying to let off steam against Wenger, in which case I excuse you. Singred
Really bad post Pacman, surely you feel a touch embarrassed reading what you have written?
A wise man once told me ignore pacman's posts and add a disagree
Lil Red
The Wise Buddha says:
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate your mind on the present moment.
I think we sould all do more of this...
DJP
14 Dec 2012 10:53:39
We don't have too much money by the look of things. So why waste what little we have on average players? Ђõѿ can we spend our entire 18m on Ince Sturidge alone when we lack serious quality in the squad?
Taking a look at other clubs transfers, Swansea got Michu, Hernandez, Chico and De Guzman for about the 18m mark and these are all great players. Newcastle got Cabaye and Ben Arfa for less. Fulham signed Petric, Ruiz and Dembele for around the same amount before Dembele was sold. Everton signed Mirrallas and Gelavic and were about signing Manzuchic for less before he opted for Bayern Munich. These are just to name a few. They are all great players at good value.
My question is why aren't we making these sorts of signings now that we want to ballance our book? Why waste them on average players who won't improve our squad?
We have been linked in the past and present with good players like Kevin Grosskreutz, Jacob Braszszykowsky, Tomer Hemed, Wilfred Bony, Belhanda, Alexis Sanchez, Beneat, Klaas Jan Huntelaar, Jackson Martinez, Musa Sow, Momoh Sizzoko, Diame, Kesuke Honda, Mario Gomez, Fernando Lorente and a host of others. But we all know who we ended up signing and who we want to end up buying once again.
The LFC way has never been about signing other teams rejects or average players. Its about getting quality players at reasonable prices as we did with Torres, Suarez, Skrtel, Agger and Alonso and this is why we have scouts working for us. Unfortunately, I §ε̲̣̣̣̥ε̲̣̣̣̥ the Bitters and Spuds doing just that while we are doing the opposite. Please we need quality not potential as we already have enough of that in the likes of Suso, Sterling, Ibe, Shelvey, Henderson and Borini.
Rather than Ince and Sturidge, we should go for Tomer Hemed and Wilfred Bony who are all proven and good enough for our first team and these two won't cost us more than 22m. Then in the summer, we can sign Beneat, Sizzoko and maybe Kesuke Honda who are also great players that will immensely improve our squad.
I love LFC and we need to get back up to where we belong and not further down with duds. Its no coincidence that we've remained in mid table for 3 seasons now. Its cos we didn't do the right thing. We need quality ASAP.
Abroad Red
Because if we went this route fans on here would be whinging about the owners saying we aren't spending enough.
It's all so simple.
Do you know that these players are desperate to join us?
Just because you view them as good players doesn't me we can just go and get them.
If they are so good, we would be outbid by Chelsea, City, spuds etc.
Some says. we should not judje players intially. we should judge them after 35 games..
aguero joined from spain..did he took 35 games to settle?
wen u bring a player...from another club...
only colour of the jersey changes...his confidence, and quality should also come along..
we have become a rest house for players..come have some time..settle well..and then either perform..or move out.
ridiculous
14 Dec 2012 10:50:34
Hi Ed's,
Is the buy out clause at 8M reported for Tello correct? {Ed002's Note - Too much is made of "buy out" clauses and I have explained before their standing in regions where the clauses are covered by local law. He has signed a new contract and will not be moving to Liverpool.}
14 Dec 2012 09:56:42
Hi fellow Reds {Ed002's Note - Please stop sending the same post over and over again. It was dealt with yesterday morning.}
14 Dec 2012 06:42:30
I've not seen Bolton play much this season - can anyone say how Spearing is doing? Is he looking good enough to return after his loan or bad enough that Bolton won't want to keep him? Would you swap him for Sahin right now? Cheers
cozinoz
Swap him for sahin! thats like swapping suarez for bendtner.
A few of my mates who are Bolton fans have said he's been one of their better players throughout the entire season. I'm hoping they're impressed enough to want to sign him, and he comes to the realisation that, although he loves Liverpool and we're all appreciative of his dedication and effort, his future lies elsewhere. Good luck to the lad!
JFT 96
JP
Yeah JP coz our other third string midfielders are loads better at the moment.Lets hope he stays away.
Kopping a feel
Kopping a feel - Your sarcasm fails when your sarcastic point is actually a valid and truthful statement. Our midfield IS better, so I don't really know what you're talking about.
JFT 96
JP
14 Dec 2012 09:36:27
Pierre Emerick Abuameyang!
Pace,Power and knows where the net it!
he would come cheap and be a revelation at Anfield..
YNWA
14 Dec 2012 09:30:56
Dear Mr Rodgers,
Please buy Will Hughes. He looks like he will be a star. 4 Mil for a massively talented kid is a steal. If we snooze then I'm sure Arsenal will take up the option, all round we loose.
Simon
I will think about it. No promises though.
Love
Brendon Rodgers
You got the spelling of your name wrong Brendan lol
Kerryred
14 Dec 2012 08:51:59
ITK friends here in the states have told me that Sterling has signed a new contract? Any news on your side of the pond? No announcement made yet, or are they waiting until tomorrow?
RyanWhittington&hisCat
14 Dec 2012 01:05:18
Before u read this post i dnt want to hear go support chelsea or city blah blah just because i have these opinions doesnt make me any less of a supporter than you! Ive been supporting liverpool since 2005 when we won the champions league!
All the players especially the british ones are rubbish! Br is rubbish, we are a mid table team now i dnt car that we are o ly 4 points off top 4 with the youngest team in the PL!!
I want a spanish coach like guardiola or mourinho! And i only want spanish and south american players!!
If we didnt have suarez and the season ended now and we played with ten men we'd be in the relegation zone by now!
Fsg are rubbish owners i want an owner like man city or chelsea so they can buy falcao, cavani, lewandowski, soldado, llorente, huntelaar and play with 10 strikers and 1 goalkeeper maybe that ter stegen will do as im bored with reina
I also want Torres to come back i dnt care if he's only as good as graham holt now but he's spanish and therefor better than rubbish players loke sturridge, walcott etc!
But i love Liverpool and will support them no matter what
YNWA
Mr Sacastic
Great stuff dude we only live once
How is talent & nationality dependent?
Steven Gerrard is English, it doesn't mean he becomes a bad player.
You say you support the team, then stick with the team & back them when through thick & thin, don't moan about it!
Chaki
, unfortunately some fruitcases actually post this kinda stuff seriously
JJ
14 Dec 2012 09:59:37
Portugeuse hit squad heading to your house
Check the name before you all get knicker twist about this post. Hehe.
ND
Hey chaki i think u missed the point of the op's post,simonpw
I heard BR and all the Liverpool players are changing their names to Spanish!
Happy Now?
BTW Mourinho is Portuguese!!
Indy Kevin
Are people actually that thick that they miss the op's point??? Seems so
Flagg
Sterling (British) and Jonjo (British) both quality so yeah you need to go support someone else I think football is not for you it might be a little complicated.
Kopping a feel
Well said mr sarcastic about time some one had the footballs to stand up and say it. Just had a look at la liga table and real are in 3rd place 5 points off 2nd so their supporter must feel the same way. If we win our next 2 games (really we should win them by a min of 15 goals each other wise we really belong in the championship) and other results go our way we might be in 4th, that means we are CL team again. So I think we should go for a squad swap on January, managers, players the lot. It might take a sweetener but I think a years supply of daz should do the trick (keeps whites, white). With our new squad we should be able to attract the big spenders. Someone like dr evil CEO of globocon or is it globotron can't remember, but someone who has no morel rules, that way we can spend ,spend, spend and the only time we will have to deal with those pesky kids from the academy is when we go to the an field gift shop or try to buy a pie. M
KUMBER
13 Dec 2012 18:45:27
Ed002. Saw earlier when some halfwit was having a pop, and you said the owners don't come to games as much because of the abuse. I'd like to hear your reply, on how would the owners know of any abuse? Its not like John Henry reads this site? And there's not booing or "get out" banners at Anfield? I'd like to just think they're not coming because we aren't winning that much? At least that's what I'd like to think..my ignorance may be bliss though?
Urm for the record, I think the world of JH. He saved my beloved club, and is getting it back on track. He has a goal, a plan. Its what we've lacked for 20 years. Not to mention, he's an extremely intelligent bloke, and I believe we are extremely lucky to have he and fsg.
Cheers.
Benny baller {Ed002's Note - At the beginning of September the owners and the wife of Mr Henry were subject to threats and abuse via social media. Additionally, FSG retain a Hartford, CT based company to report weekly on image related issues - gauging opinion via the press, websites, etc.. I understand that around the holidays or in January the owners will likely attend a game or two.}
People who threat owners and players are simple cowards and losers in life.
FSG should also look at the sane supporters who understand their ideology and long term planning.
They are the owners who are trying to make us into a team for the future. And even then if they sell LFC, it should not be a problem, as football clubs today are mere business investments. Secondly, I'd rather have FSG who have a business mind own LFC and treat LFC as a business enterprice rather than some sheikh or an oil billionaire for whom LFC would not matter a lot and it would be treated like an unwanted concubine in the harem which can be gotten rid of anytime.
Just my thought.
mgz
I will always defend a persons right to have a different opinion to mine. I believe that of all the owners we could have had FSG are the most decent. They are trying their best and have relied on their lack of knowledge by making appointments which maybe have been wrong.
Considering what went before where we nearly became a basket case under H&G I think we are doing OK.
But, I may be wrong. However, if I had the opposite view I wouldn't make threats to the owners via twitter or email because that would be just mindless thuggery and plain stupid. Anyone that resorts to such behaviour undermines us all as fans - though I should imagine that the owners have the intelligence to understand that not every fan would stoop to such levels.
I once did write directly to Hicks and pointed out that it was my belief that he was harming our club but I did not use abuse or threats (which would have been both counter productive and pointless).
I don't doubt that FSG want the club to be a success - they may not have supported them like I have done for the past 45 years and their attachment may not be as emotional - but they have invested an awful lot of money in the club which they didn't have to. I suspect that they would want to make a handsome return on it (who wouldn't) and the best way to do this is by making the team successful. We may not agree on their strategy sometimes but they haven't conducted a leveraged buy-out to gain owership without commitment of money. we must respect them for that and I will support them for it.
I have always been proud to be a Liverpool fan - I used to believe that we were 'special' and would support the team through thick and thin - and always show respect to our rivals and anyone we came into contact with. It makes me feel ashamed when I hear of such abuse.
MartinR
14 Dec 2012 00:21:21
If Walcott leaves Arsenal then Liverpool, are a highly likely destination.. he wants first team football as well as the wage increase, The Man Utd and Man City rumours would mean he'd probably play less than he does at arsenal, also him and his dad are massive liverpool fans, so a move to Man Utd that the press are reporting as his "favoured move" sounds like utter rubbish (Man U need defenders not strikers)..... in conclusion i believe that if Theo leaves Arsenal and cant reach a deal then Juventus and Liverpool are the two most likely choices.... most likely Liverpool judging by his love of the club and desire for first team football
He's going to chelsea mate- heard it from a cfc fan high up last week and apparently it's gonna be in the papers this weekend. possible player swap if not cash outright
Money talks, I bet he goes to city or utd if an offer came in, they can both offer CL and better wages. Your right that he won't get so much playing time but his agent will push the deal.
Not sure IMO we can afford him or sturridge despite many on here thinking we all of a sudden have money when we didn't in the summer.
It may be best for Walcott's agent, but who said walcott would want it, if money talks then gerrard would have left liverpool long ago and walcott wouldnt be trying to reach an agreement with the badly damaged ship that is HMS Arsenal.
14 Dec 2012 00:20:03
Is assaidi injured? Or are there any other problems? I think he has looked good from what I have seen
Sam
It is starting to mind boggle me too Sam. He has impressed on every outing. Maybe BR sees him as one for the future? but then that clashes with him playing sterling every single game. I really think Raheem needs a rest though, and Assaidi, not Downing, should be his replacement.
Benny baller
Agree with you both, Assaidi has looked very good when played, Can't be 1 for the future really, the lads 24 now. Only thing i can think of is that BR is beefing him up a bit, he looks a bit light weight, the lad needs some fray bentos pies and more time in the gym
I am assuming BR thinks he needs more time before he can start using Assaidi in Prem, may be because of the pace of the league..
Same goes to Coates, why does he use Carra ahead of Coates?
Chaki {Ed001's Note - possibly his lack of English isn't helping either.}
I think the ongoing contract talk might have meant Sterling has had a longer spell in the first team than maybe he should have.
14 Dec 2012 00:16:16
Hi Eds .I would be happy if L F C signed Walcott ,Will hughes fom derby and Luke shaw from saints , are they realistic eds , cheers ant {Ed003's Note - Hughes and Shaw are great prospects,I can't see Saints selling anyone cheap mind, if at all}
Will hughes fom derby looks good. I saw him vs Leeds a few days ago and he was outstanding, but he's still a kid. Don't think he'll be premier league ready (LFC) for 2 years though and if he can continue to play regularly a league below it will do more for his development. I'd buy him and loan him back to Clough for a year and a half if I could.
Hughes has attracted a lot of attention from man city, arsenal and barcelona! With two goals and two assists so for this season he has been a major part in derbys climb into the play offs! I can't see him moving anywhere in jan and the same goes for shaw!
13 Dec 2012 22:29:29
my mansfield town are gunna give you a good hiding at field mill!
Stop it you bully... leave us alone.
dd
Thats probably true lad but our kids will still beat you.
13 Dec 2012 22:26:05
Please I want to know what a true fan is..we don't want sturridge and ince means we are not true fans..what rubbish??we are just against english players cos of our past experience with them..if rodgers wants to get sturridge that's fine if he was 5m or we got him on loan..but for 12m that's a waste of money..as for ince...tell me what ince would bring that we don't have..he obviously won't score the way he scored at blackpool..so why go afer him..my point is there is better value for money out there..and if the so called TRUE FANS are happy with this kind of players..that's your problem..as for me they aren't good enough..
PACMAN
Pacman, i see you keep slating our potential signings.
Who would you suggest we get ?
FowlerGod. {Ed003's Note - As a B'pool fan I find the ignorance of other supporters mindboggling,I know my team suffers from a certain 'criteria' ,my final point is Ince is a very good young player who's talent will be at the top level,you should really be asking are you good enough for him ?? *direct hate mail to ED 001* nice speaking to you :-) }
Its stupid how people can be so fickle by judging before they have even stepped in to a LFC shirt. I wonder why we sometimes don't get our potential signings due to all the criticism they receive before they come and all this huge expectation on them when/if they arrive.
Support the club, support the players and support the manager.
FowlerGod.
Because a real supporter gets behind the manager and his vision and SUPPORTS it UNTIL it fails, so called fans like you are writing off Brendan and his apparent targets before they've even given a chance or in Sturridge's case, kicked a ball for Liverpool!
And the reasons why you are not given then a chance is because they're British? I actually find that offensive and quite frankly bordering on racism.
England has produced some of the workds best players over the years; gerrard, mcmanaman, owen, fowler, dalglish, rush, shearer, carragher, giggs, beckham, best, charlton, keane, barnes, rooney the list is endless (apologies for mentioning united players but every real football fan would agree that theyre top british players)
Not to mention some of the most exciting young prospects such as sterling, coady, wisdom, kelly and yes even Ince!
Every country has their crop of quality and Rubbish,
I can tell u many, many, MANY south american, spanish, etc flops that have been bought by european clubs,
Only point worth agreeing on is that british players tend to be a little more expensive but if u think the likes of michu at around 2 million are everywhere to be found we'll id argue that, that is simply not the case, infact NO player is guarenteed to do well we could fork out 25 mill on Lewandowski and he might only score 10-12 goals for us
You want to be a REAL supporter? Then the least you and others can do is Support the manager and his targets! No ones a failure until theyve failed. And if the manager based his decisions on what fans like u want we'd have an average gaston ramirez moping aroubd in our starting 11 and joe cole/henderson wouldnt of been brought on from the subs bench to win us our last two matches
And if we made the managers decisions then the manager cant be held accountable, the last time we as fans got our way King Kenny was hired and we all know how that eventually worked out
In conclusion: its not the fact that they're british its a simple fact of if they're good and we wont know that until they play.
We could always call sturridge "sturrinho" and pretend he's Robinho's (another brazilian flop!) cousin if that makes u happy
Cheers
Shak Attack
Pac
'We are just against english players cos of our past experience with them' I struggle to see the justification of that statement because our first team includes Johnson, Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson,Sterling plus Fowler, Owen, Neal, Lee, Barnes, McMahon etc all England greats - where were you then when they donned the LFC shirt - still sucking your thumb?
'he obviously won't score the way he scored at blackpool' How sure are you that Ince won't make it? What happens if another club (mancs rumoured to be interested) comes in for him, plays him and he bangs in goals for fun? What are you going to say then 'why, o'why didn't Rodgers sign him?'
Singred
Support the club, Support the team, support the players and support the managers...
Yes We do..But wont support the stuppidity.....
What's the obsession with supposedly inferior English players? Downing and Carroll possibly fall into the over-rated category but Hendo looks more the real deal with every game. Who else? Why do people think we always go for average English players?
Fans are not always fickle as they are educated by the recent failings of lfc in transfer deals not just br but kk , roy , rafa and gerard with mr ferry , we want our team to be the best but we fear that we are right with our assessments of the type of player lfc are starting to buy .
Our recent English players we have bought haven't come good hence the skepticism, but not all. Shelvey is good, Henderson is improving. So you can't rule every English player out there!
Chaki
Charlie adam was your messi and wasnt good enough for us.
Yet again an embarrassing post by this Pacman guy. I feel a bit sorry for you mate. The content of what you write is just nothingness. No one really cares mate what you write. It's totally invalid stuff. I really do feel sorry for you mate.