Liverpool Banter Archive August 14 2014

 

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14 Aug 2014 22:27:15
If we were to sign Bony and Kono in this window we would've bought nearly a whole new team of players.

EMS said a week ago our squad was as good as Man City's; with the inclusion of these two players then it's not far from it.

I'm sure the wages our players are on is a lot less (than Man City).

I think that we should be considered title contenders if these players can be integrated (I still wanted to put Interrogated grrrrr) into the squad but we would have a wonderful squad IMO that over the next 5 years would get better.

Now I'm hoping we win the league and warrior offer us a £75m a year deal for being the supplier of our shirts to pay for these players!

It's nearly Sunday!

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14 Aug 2014 22:14:48
Brad Smith returns to LFC for a scan after a knee injury. Hope its nothing too serious. Can't help but think of Martin and Jose.

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Ahhh jesus. Poor lad has so much potential. Would've been a regular by now if it wasn't for his injuries :/ yet another set back. This has Martin Kelly written all over it. I'm the lads biggest fan as well.

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15 Aug 2014 04:21:49
He will be out for few weeks, he will return afterwards.

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14 Aug 2014 22:09:34
Ed fellow reds, got to feel for Martin Kelly gone to palace today and pulis walks out after break up with owners.

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Connor Coady also went to huddersfield last week and mark robins was gone two days later

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15 Aug 2014 01:19:45
Based on this evidence is it logical to assume that Mark Hughes can start packing his bags?!

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Agreed feel sorry for Kelly, really liked the lad too.

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Heard that Malky Maikay (sp) is going to replace him, another good man manager in my eyes, might work out well.

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14 Aug 2014 21:46:57
Liverpool very interested in bony but it's the players wage demands that are the stumbling block.

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I doubt this. I'm sure he'd want higher wages, as anyone would with a promotion :)

I think any hold up will be game time. We know Sturridge is no1, we know BR would prefer 3 up front over two strikers ideally. With Sterling another obvious choice to start, you'd have to say as well one of Markovic, Coutinho and Lallana would probably be amongst the front 3

Yes there are lots of games, but I'm sure Bony would want to know he's playing more than not. Just my theory.

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14 Aug 2014 21:24:55
I'm on a stag do now from tomorrow morning until Sunday evening so all I need to say is COME ON THE RED MEN! Have a great weekend and enjoy the footy,

laters reds

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14 Aug 2014 19:02:45
Edds what's the situation with Lucas is he staying or is he available? Is alex song a possible replacement if he does go? Thanks. Roll on Sunday YNWA

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14 Aug 2014 21:43:00
Tom cleverly on departure of tony pulis

Gutted that Tony Pulis has been sacked. He only told me this morning that he would "convince the board I should be a Palace player!" Awkward

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14 Aug 2014 21:34:11
News just in from my source. I know the eds don't like us discussing finances but screw them on this occasion because this deal has finally happened!!

Liverpool have agreed a 20 million pound deal with Southampton to bring Shane Long to Anfield.

You Heard it here first.

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How has this slipped through the dodgy rumour net?

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Because it's banter.

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Spot on Zaappp. I find it funny how some people take this site far too seriously. It's called a bunter page for a reason!

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I find it funny how some people immediately shoot down banter replies as being far too serious. Was it because I forgot to put an exclamation mark or LMAO at the end? Take a break banter police.

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14 Aug 2014 21:25:00
Martin Kelly: "I'm looking forward to playing under Tony Pulis"
5 Hours Later: "Tony Pulis Leaves Crystal Palace"

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I would run if I was Kelly

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Maybe a blessing in disguise for Kelly
May now get a manager that will allow him to PLAY football rather than long ball hoof and defend tactics

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14 Aug 2014 21:20:12
Pulis has left Crystal Palace. I hope kelly was aware of the turmoil prior to signing.

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15 Aug 2014 11:43:35
I think pulis is getting a bit carried away with himself, his tactics would never suit a top club looking to play on the front foot with skilful play, how Brendan didn't get manager of the year is as baffling as how shankly and paisley never got knighthoods.

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14 Aug 2014 21:07:35
some sites are reporting that Lavezzi could be an option as he has rejected a new contract at PSG. Do you know if there is any truth to this?

Thanks

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14 Aug 2014 20:41:56
Eds Please tell me of a Martin Kelly "buy back clause" . .first option etc. ?!?. Gutted to see him leave, always gave his all for the cause and sure he would be in first team but for Injuries.

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Sorry to say it but realistically no, no he wouldnt.

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15 Aug 2014 10:28:36
I'd say there's about zero chance of a buy back clause. They're very rare things!

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14 Aug 2014 20:33:50
Hi eds .
Just wondering is it true lavezzi has turned down a contract extension and what are your thoughts on him? Is he someone people would like or not? Only asking as I haven't seen much of him?
Cheers
Jamesee YNWA

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{Ed002's Note - Might just be an option.}

14 Aug 2014 23:49:21
I would be a tad disappointed. Not as fast as he once was and will surely cost too much.

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Everytime I've seen him his end product has been lacking.

Personally I don't think he is what we need at this time.

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Cannot see us spending cash on this guy when Bony would be a cheaper option.

But if he does join will get my full support.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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14 Aug 2014 19:42:20
Hi Eds
I posted an article earlier today.
Any idea what happened to it or does it take more time to review a longer text submission?

Thanks

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Great post Jay. It's on the Liverpool-banter page. We've commented on it a couple of times .

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Cheers Ben, I have just seen the separate link for the banter page.

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14 Aug 2014 20:58:13
Just a bit of banter,, if ever Rodgers was to leave us who would everyone want to replace him? Opinions? I think ROberto Mancini would be great always respected him as a manager .

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{Ed007's Note - Neil Lennon.}

Neil Lennon?

I would cry!

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Klopp, Bielsa, or Pochettino.

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Klopp

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Robert Martinez- similar philosophy and would piss off the bitters to a new level

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Klopp. no doubt

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Sami Hyypia

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Eddie Howe for me.

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Almost anybody but Neil Lennon

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Would never happen now, but I always thought Rodgers and Martinez were the two best young managers in the league.

So I would want Martinez, would settle for Jurgen Klopp.

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14 Aug 2014 23:41:10
I would agree with Mancini.

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Id rather have yoko!

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15 Aug 2014 00:38:55
Klopp or Hyypia for me.

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Klopp, just for touching the 'this is anfield sign.'

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Behave Bond.

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{Ed007's Note - I've seen the future, Ben. Be afraid - be very afraid....

Carlo Ancelotti but more realistically, Jurgen Klopp, Diego Simeone or Jorge Sampaoli. However, I am hoping that Brendan will be here for the longer term. Could he be Sir Bob reincarnated? Let's hope so.

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Brilliant toddy!!

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Ang Postacoglou.

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The chosen one ;-)

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{Ed007's Note - See, someone else saying Neil Lennon.}

Jurgen Klopp! Hell, he turned the US into contenders with one world class keeper, and (let's be honest) some B-level players, stood up to our all time best player(quite rightly!) and for once, as a nation, we all got behind our team.

We could have had Martinez, you know. Even Brendan knows that the club is bigger than the players, and in his case, the coach, and if he does ever leave, it will be with our blessing, and not our ire. He's handled himself well since he's been in charge. If he's coaching us at eighty I'd still be made up about him. He embodies passion, he's patient and composed, and some of his ideas about attacking football are on the verge of revolutionary. No one would have expected us to succeed so much so quickly.

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{Ed007's Note - I think you're getting your Jurgens mixed up.}

Klopp. .

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15 Aug 2014 04:55:02
Rudi Garcia.

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Don't rate Mancini at all, did you watch the football that man city played at times under him? Dire is a fair description.

For me, I'd go for Klopp, Simeone or de Boer.

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15 Aug 2014 09:55:13
Stevie G and Carra!

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Agree the Toddy
Martinez for me
Has experience in our league, plays a similar style to Brendon and would absolutely piss the blues off!
He also comes across in interviews as a respectful humble guy( he's too good for Everton )

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Frank de Boer / Jurgen Klopp both young forward thinking coaches with clear a clear football philosophy

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14 Aug 2014 19:19:18
So Chelsea are after Loic Remy. did I miss something. thought he failed his medical. and all was made very public.

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Chelsea signed Torres, Ba and Drogba. I think it's safe to say Chelsea don't care about medicals if Roman wants the player.

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You can sign a player that fails a medical you know?

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14 Aug 2014 20:00:21
You think our medical team does medicals for Chelsea too? Interesting.

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14 Aug 2014 20:14:08
He did play at QPR and Newcastle. He failed Liverpool Medical.

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Demba Ba failed a medical at Stoke but this was deemed to be acceptable by Newcastle and Chelsea.

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14 Aug 2014 20:43:58
I asked this earlier in the window. Different clubs have different standards of medicals and look at different things in different ways. What we consider an unacceptable risk another club could be something they are fine risking

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Did he? Passed the one to move to QPR and also the one France gave for their a World Cup Squad, as recent as a few months ago.
He's quality, he'll score loads next season, no wonder Chelsea want him. QPRs manager has said the failed medical is lies, but LFC have taken no action against that comment. Why?

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He's a good player but he has a heart problem,, and if Liverpool decided that was enough to not bring him in, then we should stand by that decision

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14 Aug 2014 21:57:42
What's the point in a medical then??
Surely that's why no one has signed Jay Rodriguez

King Luis

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LFC hasn't said anything about Remy other than we were not going to be pursuing the transfer.

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14 Aug 2014 23:34:59
We signed Carroll injured

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Basically not selling Borini was the reason we didn't sign Remy(my opinion). Now we are pursuing Bony who will cost double the amount for the same impact. The End

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Do u remember when we signed aqua n he had a broken leg wasn't it how the fluck did he get through the door n remy didn't? I reckon there was more too it but we've moved on

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First time I've thought "Well said Ozone!"

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How can his 'failed medical' be lies according to redknapp? its fact he has a heart condition which was identified 3 years ago. we chose not to take he risk based on the assessment . simple as.

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Ha because harry redknapp is such a trust worthy chap isn't he? And qpr still need to sell remy so they're bound to say that he's fine

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15 Aug 2014 07:33:55
To those comparing Remy to other crocked stars we have bought, there is a very big difference between a one-off injury and an underlying condition.

If indeed it was a heart condition, even if there are no overt symptoms right now, it could pose a significant risk for a buying club.

A broken leg heals!

Unfortunately, at the time of buying Carroll, our medicals did not include a mental health assessment that could easily have revealed that Andy was a larger swilling porker who sees football as a means to an end, not the end itself!

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14 Aug 2014 19:04:25
Hi Ed001,

When you say you think we will go back in for Konoplyanka, do you think that will be our business done then and we go into the season with the strikers we have?

Thanks,

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{Ed001's Note - if you actually read what I said, you wouldn't be wasting my time with this ridiculous question!}

14 Aug 2014 20:47:29
What Ed explained was that he would expect us to pursue both Bony and Konoplyanka and possibly a keeper but not sure we will get all 3 but the club will certainly try.

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14 Aug 2014 19:16:03
I enjoyed the posts by Waro and Ozone earlier today, well done lads for offering a unique perspective on things.
I think many have placed FSG on a pedestal to be worshipped as "gods" (thankfully I am a Atheist and don't buy into such ideas!).
Truth is FSG are a business and their primary objective is profit and nothing else. if they could sell today for a billion or more they would!.
Principals of capitalism is about maximum profit (so glad I am a socialist as well).
Lets not forget, that according to comments made by Ronald de Boer, his brother Frank was offered the LFC management post last year. at the cost of BR I might add.

For me, FSG sacked King Kenny, and I will never forgive them for that.

FSG are what they are, a capitalist and profit geared machine. so don't for one minute that they are sentimental.they are like any other concern/business RUTHLESS in their pursuit of the mighty profit.

Thankful I am for their timely intervention, but their motives were and have always been about making money. so we should never forget this.

We will see how LFC do this season, and with only 4million pounds being spent (of the 100million plus so far) on a 32yr old striker. time will tell if the team and BR can truly deliver.
More competive games in CL, with a depleted strike force does not bode well!.

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14 Aug 2014 19:59:18
Where to begin trying to comprehend this one. The Boston Red Sox are arguably the second biggest team in baseball because of what FSG has done with them and their fan base. They could sell it and don't? You and ozone and waro and all the other paranoid delusional "fans" need to get off of your hate bandwagon and take a hint. I hardly think pulling a team out of bankruptcy to 2nd place warrants anything but praise, and FSG could have taken that Suarez money and ran with it. Also, where are these numbers you are coming up with? Only 4 million pounds spent? Do you ever read what the Eds say? I can assure you we have spent well over 4 million pounds even after Suarez money was reinvested. There are so many fees that you are just ignoring. Hence the "ignore the financial aspects" statement the eds repeat over and over again.

"Fsg sacked King Kenny and I will never forgive them for that."

BOOHOO go cry somewhere else. When the cow stops producing milk you sell it and get a new one. Every Liverpool fan knows what King Kenny did for this club, and everyone is grateful. It was the best move for the club, and even for Kenny. So move on now.

"If they could sell for a billion or more they would". Judging by what they bought Liverpool for, if they could turn the reported fee into 1 billion pounds in 2.5 years, why on God's green earth wouldn't they?

Every ownership involves investment and every investment comes with risk. fSG took risks. Let them reap the rewards. They've done nothing but make this a better club. Get a clue.

End of Rant.

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So you want us to fail so that u can be proved right. thanks for the vote of confidence.
fsg may not be the perfect owners but at least we are moving in the right direction.
They have provided the funds for transfers, it may not be a war chest but is certainly not bad. I think a little more optimism may be good for all you guys.

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FSG are a business and have never made a secret of the fact, however if they want a profit they have to make Liverpool a success on and off the field . In my mind they are on the way to this . As for sacking kenny, there biggest mistake was giving him a contract at end of season when he was brought back to stabilise the club. FSG primary aim was to appoint a young coach/manager however due to inexperience bowed to the feelings of the supporters and appointed kenny instead, in my opinion this put us back a year . This post is in no way a criticism of kenny he is and always be my hero both as a player, manager and a person

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Great to see fans get behind our owners, the ones that have backed us to the hilt and continue to do so.
I don't even know why you bothered to come on and right stuff like this.

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Nice one Redpumkin mate. Long live the left wingers.

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14 Aug 2014 20:46:27
Silly comments from someone who has clearly formed an idea and fitted facts around them

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After the Cowboy's, everyone is going to be cautios of new owners, it's human nature. Personally, I was just glad to see the back of H&G, and it was only after FSG bought us did I start to question their motives. A few seasons on, and to be honest I can't think of too much that they have done wrong. A few mistakes here and there of course, but they have openly admitted that they are new to this and are still learning.

What more could we want from our owners? To be honest I am glad that we aren't owned by a sugar daddy type. I am happy with the way things are going. I too wanted Kenny to stay for 1 more year, but I won't use it as a stick to beat FSG with.

Caution is fine, but dwell on it too much and it becomes paranoia. FSG are here, they are trying their hardest, we are in a good place with the most exciting team to watch in years. Why bother worrying about something that is fabricated in only your mind about the owners supposed real motives? Totally pointless if you ask me. We survived H&G, the sun is shining, might as well enjoy the ride. Just my opinion.

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You'll never forgive them for firing Kenny?. He has, he sits next to them on the board.

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Yeah I got bored of reading after the line if someone came in with an offer of a billion they would take it. eerrrr who wouldn't??

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Sorry, but they didn't have a choice but to sack Dalglish.

FSG have made mistakes but they are learning and quickly.

BR has proved they were right, do you think Dalglish is bitter about it?

No, he only wants what's best for the club too.

All I know is they are still clearing the mess that H&G caused and when they say something they are going to do something they do it.

At the end of the day, we are back in the champions league and we have an improved squad.

Remember we had Poulsen and Konchesky? Well we have Coutinho ans Moreno and a bunch of other exciting players(Lallana, Markovic, Sturridge, Lovren, Henderson et al).

Things are looking bright. Can't wait for the season to begin.

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I would not want sentimental owners - I prefer astute business men running the club. Every successful business and brand is run by astute business men with the intelligence to make important decisions whether everyone likes it or not.
Sentimental owners would have "King Kenny" in charge, buying useless British players and dire football. I for one am glad we have smart, successful owners who tried the sentimental thing, only to learn it was a mistake and so now make the best decisions for the club, not the fans.
If anyone thinks they would walk in to LFC as a new owner and not want to create an asset that doubles or triples in value, they are having themselves on.
I am grateful that FSG saw LFC as an opportunity to build a valuable asset. Thet saved us from an unthinkable position and are building our brand in the right way in my opinion. I will be nervous when they decide to sell, because I am not sure we will get owners this good again.

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Oh God, not again! I think Waro and Ozone converted another "fan" into a conspiracy theorist. You guys have no shame and frankly, it is saddening for all to see how low you and your ilk will go just to prove your conspiracy theories right. The problem for you is that FSG are here and are progessing slowly BUT surely. There will be bumps along the way BUT we will continue to support them and the whole club. Judging from how close we were to oblivion, the only way to go is UP. But you people are too bitter to see that. "I will never forgive them for sacking KK". Dude, do u people listen to urselves? Newsflash: Nobody cares what you think especially when not rooted in objectivity nor fact. Unlike your sorry sevles, KK has no bittereness towards the owners as he is a respected club ambassador, they all play golf together and sit beside one another at Anfield. Maybe KK can teach you people a thing or two about being supportive regardless of what happened btw them in the past. You`re nothing bUT trolls and conspiracy theorists, rooting for our club to fail so you can be proved right. I don`t know the terminology(ies) for people like you BUT LFC supporters, you defo are NOT.

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15 Aug 2014 01:15:34
Ozone, if you, waro and redpumkin are all left wingers, surely we could get rid of at least 2 of you's considering we've already got sterling and markovic

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We're worth more than a billion. Los Angeles Clippers just sold for two billion, and I bet you no one is wearing their shirt in Southeast Asia. I'm just saying.

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Vomit.

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This is what you get Redpumpkin unfortunately. People like Redohio saying we have no shame! You couldn't write the script.

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The Clippers weren't worth anything near $2B. Ballmer got massively ripped off.

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Liverpres
I agree with most of your post but not the dire football under Kenny. Under Hodgson is was possibly the worst football I have ever seen us play but not under Kenny. Saying that I think Brendon hS taken our football to another level. Instead of what seemed like 'you're all good players, go out and play', we now seem to have more of a total understanding of how to play and where everyone is expected to be in relation to where the ball is on the pitch.
I thank FSG for their appontment of Brendon even though I was as gutted as anyone when Kenny was moved aside.
We are moving in the right direction and it's been a few years since we could say that with confidence

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Waro and Ozone
You are allowed to express your opinion and it is refreshing to hear different views than the norm
I don't question your passion for our club but who else was there at the time to take us forward?
DIC have said they wouldn't offer again after being mucked around by Parry.
Yes FSG have to make a profit. Of course they do otherwise why would they be putting all this time and money into it but they have so far seemed to be doing what they said they would. Compare that to the cowboys and we should be grateful
Maybe one day the club could be owned by the supporters as we have enough support worldwide
£50 a head would probably do it but I can't see that happening!
I think our owners deserve a little more respect than what you are giving at the moment

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{Ed002's Note - This is all very naïve - sorry.}

14 Aug 2014 19:08:58
I would like to announce that I am in vacation starting tomorrow in France and will only be able to access this site via my blackberry. Please can I therefore kindly ask all posters to use a smaller font size until my return.
Thanks for your understanding.

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If you log in several times you can click agree to your own posts. Do I need help?

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For most parts of last season Man City had two fit first team strikers. Aguero, Jovetic and Negrado had spells out. Normally they only had two fully fit. They did ok.
Chelsea still got CL place with Etoo and Torres, we know how poor they are.
Arsenal won the cup and challenged with Giroud and the unknown Sanogo

I think Sturridge, scorer of over 20 league goals, Lambert and Borini both have scored and assisted in our league, doesn't look too bad

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You used my thread to post an unrelated article. Rude.

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14 Aug 2014 19:03:02
Can't help but think Bony could be the missing piece to the puzzle. Proven record, hugely under-rated in my opinion. Can score all sorts of goals and also possesses the odd touch of genius too, which nobody seems to notice.

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14 Aug 2014 19:55:21
Proven where? Similar things were said of Benteke, Michu, etc in recent times.

The odd touch of genius is exactly what it is: an odd touch. He is a decent player but IMO, he is not suited to our system.

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14 Aug 2014 20:01:24
Agreed. Hope we get him.

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AG his goalscoring record for Swansea last season along with his Vitesse days. Fair enough the Dutch league isn't great, but look where Suarez came from and how he turned out. Benteke had one good season then was blighted with injury, same with Michu who was never the same afterwards. Bony has decent pace and power to deal with the physicality of the PL, and his record last season with a midtable Swansea side could only improve with us with the chances we create. I see him as easily a 20+ goal a season striker if he were to join us. Great feet and great in the air, just what we need.

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Bony has a bit a skill and very good shot scores headers why not we could do with a player like him

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He's a natural finisher and good in the air, and he's got a good touch. I think he'd be a very good signing.

Sorry AG I think your wrong. I believe he has the ability to fit our system and he can also offer something different.

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14 Aug 2014 18:52:23
Gutted to see Martin Kelly leave! Loved his attitude, always gave his very best for the shirt and was hoping he could cement a starting place for us. Unfortunately injuries blighted his Liverpool career. Deserves more game time and Palace will give him that, hopefully he can stay injury-free and prove to be a snip for Palace. Good Luck Martin! YNWA!

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14 Aug 2014 18:30:14
Looks like Tom Werner will be named the next commissioner of Major League Baseball. It could mean a change at the top for LFC.

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14 Aug 2014 18:19:55
Question for ED01 but open to anyone else as well. I'm slightly disappointed to see Martin Kelly move on, or perhaps more to the point, I'm disappointed that his career has unfolded in such a way that he's reached a point where moving on his probably the best thing for all parties.

My question is, and I appreciate any answer is slightly subjective, do you think this is mainly down to the injury problems he's had or just that his game hasn't developed as we all hoped it would when he emerged as a teenager. I remember when I first saw him (I think in a European match under Rafa in 2009) I thought he was outstanding and a definite future first team regular.

What I find a little strange is that we loan out a lot of players, including youngsters and expensive signings that haven't worked out, but we sell Kelly rather than give him a season on loan somewhere in the PL, now that he's finally injury free, to see whether he can prove himself.

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{Ed001's Note - it was the injuries that cost him.}

Injuries did him as he was played out of position. The lads not built for a right back. He's 6 foot odd with a slim build. He stoops when he runs. It was inevitable he'd have lower limb joint problems with the twisting and turning consistent with the role of full back. If he'd been played at centre half, things may have worked out far better for him.

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15 Aug 2014 05:03:44
Another propoganda Ozone?

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No AG, a fact.

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15 Aug 2014 16:35:11
You might need to look up the definition of fact Ozone ol' chum.

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14 Aug 2014 18:03:54
Hi Eds,
Do you know if any team is in for Eduardo Vargas (Chile).
Looks to me like he's a very mobile and decent attacker (the games I've seen him play for Chile) Could probably solve our striker problem.

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{Ed001's Note - try Eurosoccer.}

14 Aug 2014 18:01:11
Eds do you know of any clubs that are interested in taking Brad Jones?

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

14 Aug 2014 17:58:09
Just want to wish Martin Kelly all the best at Palace. I think he will get back to his best and prove to be a very valuable addition to Palace's squad. I am sure we all feel for the kid but I think it is best for his career.

YNWA Mr. Kelly

and YNWA from Texas!

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Agreed man.

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14 Aug 2014 17:14:26
Mr aguero please please please tell me you have got the washer fixed for the new season or have the pants been put into retirement next to the this is anfeild sign so the lads can give them a pat as they walk out haha

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There has been an update on the Liverpool banter.co.uk site

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14 Aug 2014 17:01:54
9 of 11 Dortmund players that started their 2-0 victory over Bayern started the Liverpool match on Sun. Makes that 4-0 win more impressive.

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14 Aug 2014 17:28:38
I agree it was a great performance by us. But it has no relevance to the victory over bayern . Bayern were with out a few key players are not ready yet as they have had less of a preseason with all the squad back. Dortmund were also at home playing their arch rivals so many things were in dirt minds favour in the German super cup mate

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14 Aug 2014 17:01:48
I think we should go all out and try and sign marco reus. I think his the only player out there that can match the loss of suarez. And I believe we win a major trophy if he comes in. I rate reus very highly. And I'll play him upfront rather than the wing

I would also prefer yarmolenko than konoplanko. I like both but yarmolenko scores more and excites me when he plays the same way as ronaldo does.

Romero is a very good keeper I'll take him and defo be capable of a starting place, And back up.

What do you guys think?

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Konoplyanka for me.
Quick and skillful and seems to have the right mentality for us.
I hope this transfer comes off.
If it does we are looking better than last season even without LS

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14 Aug 2014 19:58:26
I wouldn't waste my time. He has no interest in joining and if he were open to a move, clubs who can pay more would swoop in ahead of us.

So, I wouldn't waste my time.

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For me the next transfer should be a strong striker like sturridge and bony ticks all the boxes as far as i'm concerned said it to my pal last year so i'm uber excited at the prospect of this one happening

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14 Aug 2014 16:43:51
Good luck to Martin Kelly. If he can stay injury free palace have got themselves an absolute bargain. Gutted to see him leave
Good luck Martin YNWA

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14 Aug 2014 16:41:28
Pulls about to resign from palace, if I was Kelly I'd back out!
There gunna go from top 10 to relagation without him.

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14 Aug 2014 16:35:01
that Coutinho's got a touch of Ronaldinho about him. really hope we don't mo
ve him to the wings

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14 Aug 2014 16:51:00
I know I'll probably get slated for this but there are moments when he reminds me of Maradona. Awarenes of teammates positioning, low center of gravity, balance shifts from left to right, technical skills in tight areas, outside of the foot passes, weight of pass and ability to beat men without seeming to have too much pace. Obviously he is still young and there are parts of Diego's game he does possess (yet) but he is still an exciting creative spark who with time should improve in his strength and finishing. He has developed well in the past year and should become more consitent with his performances, so let's hope that continues as he is a true gem in the making

He is a very exciting player to watch when he is on his game and I'd have him in our team over Neymar any day of the week

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He could be something special. The best thing is, I think he thrives when he is the main man. When Suarez isn't on the pitch, he demands the ball and makes things happen. Whereas when Luis did play it was him that went looking for it and Coutinho wasn't confident enough to take charge.

I think this coming season, there is a serious chance that Coutinho could do the 'Bale double' and win both young player and player of the season. Everyone writing us off is completely forgetting that all of our best players are still years away from hitting their peaks. That is a scary thought when you think that they nearly won a title at 19-24 years of age.

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''Obviously he is still young and there are parts of Diego's game he does possess (yet) ''

Yes Diego?

He had certain parts of his game that left plenty of room for improvement :(

Surely there are better comparisons?

I think LS has maybe created a new kind of void at LFC!

Be careful for what you wish for SwissRed

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I don't think he played any where near his best last season. He is a world class talent.

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I agree with all the posts. There is no questioning the kid's talent. He's on the verge of entering his national squad and he can only get better as he matures. My one question is how he is taking (or taken) Lallana's joining. The only way I can see both on the field at the same time is him playing in the center and Lallana out wide. If BR has a plan to rotate the two, then he may find out how quickly South Americans have a tendency to lose confidence and sulk. But I hope I'm wrong. I really have high hopes for Coutinho.

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14 Aug 2014 20:01:13
Ronaldinho had his best years playing out as a wide forward for Barca didn't he?

Coutinho and Sterling are going to be amazing this season.

For the Blue Nose hanging about: shouldn't you be out celebrating your club signing your marquee player, Christian Atsu?

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I think the lads passing ability is superb
some of his through balls are magic

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Tinho is awesome. I love watching that kid when he's controlling the game, just like against Dortmund where he completely ripped them apart.
Reds,, I was wandering Does he struggle completing 90mins though because I've noticed how he tends to be subbed even when he's playing a blinder?

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14 Aug 2014 16:18:39
Afternoon Eds & Reds, I took my children to the game on Sunday, they were really looking forward to it. anyway we set off from Huddersfield 3 hrs before kick off & unfortunatley got caught in an accident on the M62. When we eventuallt got through & got close to the ground it was 12.30, then all the parking places I know were full! eventually I managed to find a space. It was now 12.55 & we were in an area I had never parked before. Just as we got out of the car a young lad was walking past & I asked him how to get to the ground, he said he was going past the ground & he would show us the way! we got into the kop just as the second half kicked off & my children @ least got to see a couple of goals & Stevie when he came across to take a corner.
If anyone knows a young lad that said he met some gormless looking fella with 2 upset kids on Sunday & escorted them to Anfield then please let him know that he was a life saver & it was incredibly kind of him also the fella sat next to me in the second half was very informative about what we missed in the first half so cheers to him.
My faith was partially restored in human kind that day!!

Many Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Good for him.}

I am sorry to hear you are gormless.
I have never owned or know what a gorm is but would send a plea to all readers who have spare gorms to consider donating. If a gorm is a device that makes your kids happy them surely this makes the story more heartfelt, if it is a navigation device then please ensure you have your gorm before you travel in future. You are however forgiven on this occasion.

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14 Aug 2014 16:18:30
I have to wonder if we're being winded up by the Mancs with all the posts about buying Welbeck on here. Should we also sell Sterling and take the 'English Ronaldo' aka Ashley Young off their hands.

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14 Aug 2014 16:54:00
Sydney Mate has decided to offer a special Beef Burger to all those Liverpool fans who would want Welback from UTD.

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14 Aug 2014 16:15:08
Am I the only one that went into this holiday period thinking we needed at most 3 new signings. Left back, winger(either side) and replacement for suarez. Really don't see the point of signing loads of players. I feel there's a lot of "moneyball" signings coming from us which doesn't sit right with me. Surely the chances for the likes of Suso and Flanagan are diminishing with every signing.
Lambert, Lallana, Markovic, Manquillo, Can, Moreno and Lovren. With the likes of Borini, Wisdom, Illori, Suso and Ibe all back from loan. that's a lot of players to integrate back into the squad. Unless they all go back out on loan or get sold I can't see them all adapting quick enough for this season to be as succesful as last season nearly was.

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Rogers has had the job a full year and a half now he knows were he wants player we moved quickly which shows we expected to get the players in spurs had no plan and a new manager who is now in Russia enough said

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14 Aug 2014 18:00:28
Without all of our "moneyball" signings I fail to see how we would compete on all fronts this year. Did you see our bench last season?

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14 Aug 2014 18:26:28
We need the depth because we are in champions league you silly sausage. We can't field the same 11 every game, like we had the luxury of , towards the end of last season.

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14 Aug 2014 15:41:07
Lallana back in training today. Hope he's not going to be considered for Sunday - let him come back slowly.

I'd play Moreno even if he is officially announced Sunday morning! The Soton game will be a lot easier than the next two and I don't want Johnson or Enrique playing in them. Better to give him an easier game first with a great welcome and he'll soon settle in. Same goes for Manquillo as Flanno not ready yet. Probably Skrtel/Lovren for similar reason but Sakho played against Burnley so I'd risk it. What's your back four for Sunday?

Anyone got official confirmation re Suso being part of Moreno deal or not. I've heard conflicting reports. Was he at training today? If he was I can't see him moving in part-ex.

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14 Aug 2014 16:00:24
He won't start, and I suspect won't make the bench either, against Southampton.

Lucas coming in for Emre Can is the only change from the Dortmund game I think.

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14 Aug 2014 16:48:31
AG why play two defensive midfielders at home? Put Allen in with Hendo and Gerrard. When Allen and Hendo are on the pitch teams struggle with there athleticism.

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14 Aug 2014 20:05:02
I didn't say I wanted Lucas to start and Moreno not to be on the bench. But, I think that is what is going to happen.

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Where has this joe allen and ''athleticism'' come from?!

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14 Aug 2014 14:52:05
Anyone else starting to think that Borini really does not want to leave us for Sunderland? Surely he would of gone by now. I think he will stay tbh and compete with Studge & lambert.

Thoughts please?

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In fairness to the guy he's attitude is admirable, but i'd rather us get someone in . don't think he's good enough for us . i'm not to sure on the lambert aswell. I hope we get someone in . we've done great business in the window. would be a shame to compromise it all. just my thoughts, not slating anyone

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This is what grates on me. Attitude admirable? It's got nothing to do with it, he's knocking off a local girl and wants to study in a Liverpool. Where does 'fighting for you place' feature in 'you have no future at LFC because your not good enough'.

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Really? didn't seem to stop him last year when he was on loan for the season.

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He has a point to prove. From what I've seen from him he would be decent backup but possesses nothing special. However given the chance at Sunderland last season, he proved to be a central player in keeping them in the league. If he wants to stay and gives 110% on and off the pitch to be at his absolute best, I see no problem with that. Remember, you get nowhere without hard work. Hopefully Fabio does that, and proves to be an asset for us next season, albeit as backup.
Cheers,

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14 Aug 2014 19:02:47
Oh ozone, alway with the negative ways, have some wine some cheese and relax - oddball, kellys heroes 1970 something or other

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14 Aug 2014 14:39:22
Hi Ed 1 if your about, do you think we will go for both Konoplyanka and Bony? or do you think it more likely one or the other?

And do you think a goal keeper as competition for migs is still on the cards?

cheers

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{Ed001's Note - yes and yes. Though I very much doubt all 3 will arrive as well, I do expect the club to try.}

14 Aug 2014 15:02:19
I would tell my kids and Grand childrens. I was alive When Liverpool lead by Ian Ayre signed 10 players in a single window.

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if we sign a striker gk and kono then ian ayre would have managed 11 an entire new team

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14 Aug 2014 16:13:26
Jesus Ed that's cheered me up and I'm a bit shocked tbh that will probably still look to bring both in.

Great news and a great squad if we can get both.

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14 Aug 2014 16:16:36
I still think we'll sign Alli as well so he can be sub.

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Id be very happy with all 3 if and only if we manage our outgoings as well. squads getting real big

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14 Aug 2014 16:52:38
Ed001, should we be concerned at the amount we are spending? I'm not unhappy AT ALL with the signings and we obviously needed the additional depth (and quality in depth) but just a thought.

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{Ed001's Note - it has to be a worry, but we are not in a position to judge effectively, so we have to hope the owners know what they are doing.}

14 Aug 2014 14:38:42
Ed01/02, Are we seriously looking for a GK?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

14 Aug 2014 15:05:14
Thanks Eds.

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As a replacement or competition for Migs

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Any idea who we will look to for gk

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{Ed001's Note - not at the moment no.}

14 Aug 2014 14:13:57
I'll tell you something boys - if we can get Bony and Konoplyanka in before the end of the window - WHAT A WINDOW!

Not entirely sure about Bony but I would love to be proved wrong.

One things for sure, our squad will be stronger than it's been for a long time!

Only a few more days to wait.

Come on lads!!

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14 Aug 2014 15:04:51
With these two signings, Our squad would be better than Chelsea and close to City.

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I'd be happy with those two, would make up for losing Suarez and can challenge on a lot of fronts.

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14 Aug 2014 19:04:25
Technically it would be closer to tranmeres.

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14 Aug 2014 13:21:23
Can't understand why fans are still keen on keeping Borini. There's a very good reason Rodgers wants to ship him out and that's because he can't cut it in the Premiership. He lacks strength and pace and isn't clinical in front of goal. I'd have Welbeck over him any day. I see Danny Murphy has suggested the same as me today on . He's still young enough to learn, and he has all the basic attributes to do very well. Just because he plays for the doesn't mean we should discount him altogether as an option.

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Because borini is a good squad player who scores goals works his socks of an never giveball away so keep welbeck the touch of a baby elephant!

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. And he (Welbeck) is utterly rubbish!

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14 Aug 2014 13:34:17
Can't Understand Y UTD Wanna sell Welbeck and Hernandez then?. There might be a reason for them to cut loose on the 2 players.

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14 Aug 2014 13:36:49
Those who would take Welbeck over Borini or any decent striker would also prefer Cleverly over Henderson then.

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14 Aug 2014 13:37:04
The mere fact that you want to chuck a player who is willing to sit on the bench waiting for a chance to prove himself because he's so desperate to play for us in favour of a player that is United through and through shows how ridiculous this post is. Never mind that Welbeck is only 6 months older than Borini, has a worse strike rate and you actually think that United would do business with us

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{Ed001's Note - and that he is crap. Welbeck can't even control his own feet, let alone the ball.}

Honestly Redmist I can't quite understand your logic here, his complete lack of technical ability in my opinion essentially would render him a pointless signing. Firstly United would not sell to us for the quoted £12m and secondly, he is no way near worth that price let alone whatever obscene price United would sell him to us for, or even sell to us at all.

You cannot honestly tell me you would happy with Wellbeck leading the line if Sturridge were injured?

For the price Bony is available for, it is a no brainer in my opinion plus the distinct lack of any interest whatsoever in Wellbeck.

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14 Aug 2014 13:44:14
Borini is never going to be good enough for the level we are trying to get to, niether is Welbeck. Welbeck is awfull. He is like a slightly faster version of Peter Crouch only Crouch had better feet and could finish.

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Great support. Borini is young and hungry, wants to play for LFC. Just what BR wants. He scored more goals then Etoo last season, scored the winner at Chelsea in a poor Sunderland side.
If BR gave his very own signing a run maybe in a better side he'll do well. He has a clever brain and scored more than Lambert in preseason

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14 Aug 2014 14:17:01
I actually think Welbeck is a pretty decent player. Those of you talking about his touch, he has in fact a really decent touch and good feet. He's a skillful lad.

His problem is that he isn't instinctive, a natural finisher, that's why his goals are either superb (dinks, chips et al) or he falls over his feet thinking about what to do with the ball.

Is he better than Borini? At the moment, yes he is. I also think he has more potential then Borini.

Anyway, this isn't the Utd page, so hey ho.

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14 Aug 2014 14:23:22
Ed001's Note - and that he is crap. Welbeck can't even control his own feet, let alone the ball

ED01. This is awesome. Did you imagine Welbeck trying to control his own feet?. lols. ROFL

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"a slightly faster version of crouch only crouch had better feet and could finish"

so they're making nothing alike then.? not to mention the fact one mostly plays as a winger and the other is a 6ft 6 target man!

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14 Aug 2014 15:40:09
There both forwards. Welbeck is played out of posistion out wide and Crouch was never a target man as close to useless in the air. So how you figre. Stop trying to pop at people until you know what your talking about you sap.

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14 Aug 2014 16:08:50
Does Danny Welbeck have a lot of relatives on this page or something. I don't normally get into commenting on players we're linked with, but cripes Welbeck is wholly untalented. He's Daniel Sturridge without the finishing, skills, dribbling, potential. So nothing like Sturridge at all. He'd make a decent sprinter. There, that's the best I can say about the guy.

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Borini is a far better footballer than Wellbeck will ever be.

If it's the choice between Eto'o, Wellbeck or Rossi i'd keep Borini hands down, Eto'o is too old and expensive, Wellbeck is just pants, and Rossi is more injury prone than old bert water, in fact if they're considering Rossi we may as well go back in for Remy.

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14 Aug 2014 17:46:13
Ed001 Welbeck is hardly crap. He's also got one more Premier League medal than Gerrard.

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{Ed001's Note - imbecilic argument, shows your lack of understanding of football. Come back when you have an intelligent or worthwhile piece of banter. Until then, just remember Welbeck is a donkey that your own manager wants out because he is not good enough.}

Ed is in fine form. Bravo! Welbeck is so crap he only got games for England because of playing for Utd and Fergie.Got to give it to LVG. He defo knows crap when he sees it and he has scored a good one.

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15 Aug 2014 05:42:28
To quote a famous ex reporter from a popular football television broadcaster - it was just banter. I'm not imbecilic (big word, troglodytic would have made me sound even more of a fool) enough to actually believe premier league medals equates to footballing ability. I won't mention them again though, wouldn't want to touch that nerve! Welbeck is a hardworking squad player. Not crap, not amazing.

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{Ed001's Note - there is no nerve there, it is just that idiots consistently use that same useless measuring stick. Seems no one remembers it is a team game! Hardworking? Yes. Crap? Yes. He has two attributes, pace and workrate. He has no intelligence at all.}

I guess you set a higher bar for players than I do!

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14 Aug 2014 13:07:24
Reports today that Atletico are looking to sign Schurrle. I'd love us to sign him. He's pretty ruthless up front, young, prem experienced and can also play anywhere across a forward line. He would cover for Bony and Konoplyanka.

Any thoughts?

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Too many wingers at the club then. Sterling, Ibe, Kono (if he comes) Markovic. Both Lallana and Coutinho can play out wide as well. I think he is a good player just not what we need at all.

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14 Aug 2014 13:35:18
Ibe would go for a loan. I don't see Chelsea selling Schrulle. No chance.

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14 Aug 2014 13:37:34
Schurrle started life as a ST. He's probably be bought in the same role as Remy

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As well as covering for Bony and Kono he would be fit at the start of the season so when we sign Reus and Vidal there will be less pressure on them to rush their comebacks. Cough cough.

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Was literally just about to post the same thing Olly.
I think he is a top, top player and if Chelsea as reported, may be willing to hold talks with Athletico then surely they must be willing to consider other bids for him. I believe he will become Germany's first team striker in the next 2 years and that will become his eventual permanent position.
I know there is probably no interest in him due to price etc but I would absolutely love him to sign, his fast, direct, interchanging style of play would thrive in Brendan's system and like Olly said could cover both wing positions and Sturridge.

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I agree. Great player, a winner and proven to score and assist in the prem. Plays wing or up front. Perfect signing

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Welbeck is one of the players I laugh at too all my utd friends. His a joke think he should be playing in championship

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I like Schurrle, reminds me of Dirk Kuyt in the way he is tireless and puts a shift in and he's a good footballer too.

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14 Aug 2014 12:46:36
Really we are now talking about Welback eto I could bear even a couple of unproven kida from serie a but Welback?
Here's five reasons why we shouldn't sign Welback
1-The guy is a top athlete not a footballer
he represents everything wrong with root level English football
2-He can't shoot or pass
his first touch and ball control is beyond terrible
only pace and power doesn't matter
3-No matter what imaginary conceptions he has of playing as a CF he can't at winger he is average at cf he is less said the better
4-if the 14 million £ price reported with regards to his move to hull is correct then that means it would be the same as Borini who is much better technically and actually loves the club
5-He plays for Manchester United

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14 Aug 2014 14:00:39
If it were acceptable to do business with the mancs I'd be looking to sign Hernandez not Welbeck

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14 Aug 2014 13:36:10
Reet

One of your best views on a player.

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14 Aug 2014 13:38:52
Every time a human says something sensible, an angel gets it's wing. There's something enjoying it's first flight because of you sir

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Spot on Reet! Wellbeck has a first touch like a pinball flipper. I believe he can trap a ball further than most can kick it. Totally useless

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14 Aug 2014 12:43:06
General question rather than a rumour. It seems that we're likely to sell Borini (14m), Agger (12m), Assaidi (6m) and Lucas (10m), and maybe one of Johnson, Coates, and Enrique.

It also looks like we're likely to buy Bony (19m), Konoplyanka (13m) and Romero (2m) - or at least, players in that price range.

The wage bill would also seem to be fairly unchanged, given the high number of top-earning players who have left or are in the process of leaving.

I know these are only ball-park figures, but if we end up with something along those lines, it seems that we'll be close to zero net-spending.

A very good transfer window all in all, but what do you think the owners will do with the remainder of the 60m they'd planned to invest in the squad? Keep it for the stadium, keep it all for future spend, or spend now for future players? For example, Reus's buy-out clause of £20m kicks in next year and Dormund don't want to sell yet. Do you think the owners might pay it in advance, to secure the deal? Or do a similar thing with other players?

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I really do not see Lucas leaving. Apart from Gerrard we do not have another CDM at the club. Can is better as a box to box midfielder, CDM certainly is not his preferred position. With all the changes we have already made to the squad, I would rather Lucas see out the season with us and then let the club make a decision on his future.

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14 Aug 2014 13:38:22
I don't see Lucas leaving and Napoli wouldn't pay 10 mill for him. They couldn't reach an agreement over Sandro over the price.

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14 Aug 2014 13:39:41
They could, and this is a mad idea but it's just about possible, they could be commercially responsible and not piss money away for no reason?

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Forgot about any 60m transfer budget, that's all pie in the sky.

If what you've said were to happen we'd be at 10 or 11 first team/squad signings.

No pleasing some people.

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14 Aug 2014 14:17:27
Hefty agents fees and taxes?

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14 Aug 2014 12:42:34
Alex song rumours are back, if we sold lucas would fans be happy song? I would be personaly

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14 Aug 2014 13:57:15
Rather just keep Lucas.

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14 Aug 2014 12:41:56
10 years ago in a blackening abyss,
Everything at Liverpool was far from bliss,
The man at the helm was at the end of his stay,
And the Champions league dream was slipping away,
As Houllier left us the club was in tatters,
And our seasons aspirations were virtually shattered,
Not many had seen a darker day,
Where on earth would we be come the end of May?

Then in came a new man to take up the reigns,
He signed us some spaniards with fancy names,
Xabi Alonso and Luis Garcia,
Players that opposition soon learned to fear,
We're playing Olympiakos and the ball falls to Mellor,
He knocks it down, "Lovely cushioned header",
Up steps Stevie to smash home the goal,
Rafa had done it, we were on a roll!

A 0-0 bore draw at Stamford bridge,
Were we lucky with the ghost goal? Maybe just a smidge!
But we marched on proud to face AC Milan,
Their team looked stronger than ours, man for man,
In less than a minute we'd fallen a apart,
Maldini the skipper took a knife to our heart,
Then pounced Crespo to make things worse,
And Shevchenko helped him add to his first,
3-0 down as they marched off the pitch,
Our dreams had been trashed and left in a ditch.

Suddenly you hear it coming from the crowd,
You'll Never Walk Alone being sang out loud,
The dressing room rocked as they heard the support,
"Maybe we can do this" the players all thought,
They ran back out to play for their pride,
In front of millions of people, nowhere to hide,
It's whipped in by Riise, Gerrard heads it in,
Maybe there's a comeback about to begin!
It's hit by Smicer, now we've got two,
I know you won't believe it but I swear that it's true!
Gerrard is fouled and he points to the spot,
Up steps Xabi to try and rewrite the plot!
But Dida has saved it, dreams gone once more,
But he crashes in the rebound and is dragged to the floor!
The players go wild and the fans follows suit,
All the Milan fans are totally mute,
Carragher is struggling but still carries on,
Dudek's inspired and can do nothing wrong.

Extra time is over, penalties begin,
They might all be nervous, but the fans still sing,
Dudek's been watching Bruce Grobelaar,
As an Italian penalty flies over the bar,
Up steps Shevchenko to stay in game,
Dudek has saved it, we're Champions again!
Still in disbelief Steven Gerrard steps up,
With an almighty roar he raises the cup,
Nobody knows quite what they have seen,
But one things for sure, we're living the dream.

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Wonderful this should be published or included in the History of LFC at the echo arena this month.
Well Done

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Quality

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Loving it mate!
Are you working on a few more verses to bring us to present day?
JFT96

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Love it Adam!

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14 Aug 2014 13:56:32
Nearly in tears haha I can't wait to sit down and show my son that incredible night

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Nice use of your lunch break EMS!

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Nice 1 EMS mate

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14 Aug 2014 14:19:00
Well done mate!

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14 Aug 2014 14:19:08
How can anyone "disagree" to this post? Great job Adam. Most of us remember where we were and what we did after that miracle night at Istanbul. Hope we can dream again sooner than later. Thank you Adam for bringing back those memories! YNWA.

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Ems, credit where it is due lad, good that.

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Nice one mate.

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Nice poetry.

Your illustration drew me back to that day and I felt I was right there on the pitch as Dudek saved the penalty.

Even as I write this, I can still feel the roar of Gerrard as he lifted the trophy.

YNWA!

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Cheers for all the replies lads. Perhaps the disagree was for the "a apart" lol. Slight typo. I've tried to get one published before but no luck. My nan had a couple published when she was younger so perhaps she could teach me a thing or two ;) thanks again for the responses though, I think it could've flowed a bit better in parts myself but I'm glad you liked it! Istanbul is undoubtedly the greatest moment of my life so it's nice if this brings back memories for some of you!

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Love it Adam
Well done mate
Keep up the good posts, it is appreciated

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Adam, from your pic you look to young but did you go to Istanbul?

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No mate but it was the first football game I ever watched with my dad. I was 11 sat in the living room drinking shandy whilst me dad was drinking the real thing. One of my best childhood memories!

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No wonder you was hooked from then.
I bet you expected every game to be like that.

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14 Aug 2014 12:29:39
Jesus please tell me were not signing welbeck, have the rise of sterling and flanno thought us nothing?

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14 Aug 2014 13:39:38
What worries me that Ed's have been quiet on Welbeck. h lols.

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Harry
I have gotten a mini heart attack after reading your reply

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14 Aug 2014 12:25:39
I'm confident we won't suffer as much as Spurs did when say sold Bale and bought 7 or 8 players in.
Spurs had a lot of gaps in the 11 at the time, gaps Bale was able to fill popping up with last minute winners, meaning nearly all of Spurs signings needed to be thrust straight into team, whereas the majority of our gaps were in the squad rather than the first team.
What I'm getting at is not all of our signings need to be thrown in the deep end, we have a terrific 11 anyway. Not that Lallana, Lovren, Lambert or Bony if he arrives would have any trouble adapting anyway.

Not only has BR really given us a top 11, he's given us real strength in depth, something Houllier and Benitez failed to do.

Needless to say, I am excited! :-).

Quick note on the owners as that seems to be a popular topic today,
I seem to remember certain individuals making absurd claims of 'asset stripping' and the like.
Now, I'm no accountant, and if that's FSG's plan, then I suspect they should look for another accountant themselves. 100% of the Suarez money has been reinvested, and it seems judging on our targets, we have £20-£30 odd million left, should we really be looking to sign both Bony and Konoplynka.

Should this be the case, along with covering our £1 million a week debts and renovating Anfield, I have to say they are doing a fantastic job.

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Very good post mate. Many rival fans think we will stumble just like Spurs did simply bcoz we have brought in a lot of players. What they do not realise is that these players would fit into BR's system perfectly without having to make too many adjustments to their game.
Also apart from Lallana, Lovren and Moreno who will be guaranteed first teamers, the others will be eased slowly into the team over the course of the season. Spurs made the mistake of buying too many players for the first team, and players who the manager did not even want at the club. People forget Mourinho purchased 9 players in his first tenure as Chelsea boss in the very first transfer window, and won the premier league. Just hope BR can replicate his mentor's achievements.

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14 Aug 2014 13:40:45
I am really happy with the Underdogs tagline. No Pressure. Just take one game at a time.

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14 Aug 2014 17:00:05
I think the most important factor to consider in the difference between Spurs' situation and ours is the manager. BR is an infinitely better man manager than AVB who would often have trouble with is players (particularly the senior players), the new players they brought in just did not settle in to the squad well. Judging by recent training photos our new players are already enjoying life at Liverpool.

This is the reason I like Rodgers so much, everyone seems happy at the club, the players respect him and there is a real team spirit.

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14 Aug 2014 11:55:11
Hey Eds,
Just hoping to get some of your opinions on a couple of rumours I heard the past day or two. Any truth in;
Gus Poyet reportdley confident of capturing Borini in the next few days. Can we expect the deal to go through then now?
Also heard that Aggers agent is set for talks with Napolo, so could we also see this go through now.
Would appreciate your insight.

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions about timing.}

14 Aug 2014 11:43:04
all this talk of another forward and I will go for Wellbeck at the right price. he has the movement and hard work associated with Rodgers players. maybe not an everygame starter but a good player in my eyes. forget the manc thing and look at the player. can still improve given the right coaching.

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14 Aug 2014 11:52:50
What you mean by right coaching. Welback couldn't get a game under Sir Alex. What do you expect BR to do.
Its shame people Rate Welback and not Borini.

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14 Aug 2014 11:57:40
Hahah!

You never forget the "manc thing".

Did I mention he is crap?

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Really, that where our ambitions rest on - blooming welbeck. There is a reason why he plays as a winger and not a central striker, because his touch is pretty poor and can not hit a barn door.

It seems that everyone is becoming a tad desperate as the transfer window is closing to the end and so we are resorting to Eto and Welbeck.

If we can't get any strikers in, then I reckon that we sign konoplyanka and finish our business. He would definately add to our goals and assists and we have a bigger and better squad as a result.

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14 Aug 2014 12:23:40
SAS96

Absolutely Spot on.

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Well said Harry!

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I agree molbyslostgoal

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14 Aug 2014 10:46:47
Coates to be offered as straight swap for Romero?

Seems plausible. Anyone with more info?

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14 Aug 2014 10:36:53
Just heard Danny Murphy on highlighting the possible merits
of Danny Welbeck moving to Liverpool. suggesting his friendship with Sturridge and style of play would be ideal for Liverpool.
Just thought I would share so don't shoot the messenger.
Cant see it myself but I like Murphy and he normally speaks sense which is not often the case with Talk sport.

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14 Aug 2014 11:40:10
quite happy if wellbeck is available, he would fit in well

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14 Aug 2014 11:56:06
Seriously guys. We are talking about a striker Who could lead a line given Sturridge gets Injured.
I haven't yet seen Welbeck doing it in past 3-4 years. He is an average player and would be on pretty high wages at UTD. Brininging him to Anfield would be a joke.
He is a hard worker and runs around whole day. Just like Macarthy at Everton.

Gotta feel for some people. They don't rate Borini, But rate high for Lambert and welbeck.

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For the record I was just passing on what I heard on the radio.

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Has someone hacked your account Harry? I've agreed with the last few i've read, and that's a first!

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Mccarthy is a very good player!

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14 Aug 2014 10:07:31
Daveybootle, i've just read your post from yesterday and your views on these owners, your entitled to your views on them and you will no doubt have 99.9% of people on here agree with you, but your p.s. dig at the end of your post was a clear dig at myself and ozone but you didn't have the town halls to call us out, my views on these leeches hasn't changed one iota and I vocalise this when appropriate to do so, I can't speak for ozone but I despise them and still want them to sell up and h**k off back to where they came from.

P.S. the 80's av been intouch and want there word shabite back, stop sayin it lad it's embarrassing.

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Waro- Joey Essex wants his rhyming slang back and he says the spelling is "taaaarn Allls"

I wish I had a leech that wrote of £1m debt every week.

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My sentiments entirely Waro mate. I won't deviate from my opinion of them, I see through their rhetoric and can see their end game and ultimate intentions. Rodgers is again also slipping back into his past ways, he should bypass the talk, keep the press conferences simple and stick to the coaching/ man management. We're not at the top table, far from it, all incoming players this window would've come without champions league. Besides the £20 mill clutch paid for by Suarez, the rest are the usual £7-12 mill punts in clusters of 3's intended to hedge whilst collectively producing profit on future resale. Ken, there's a thousand and one ways to analyse/ manipulate accounts depending on the ultimate goal. Your statements just typical of the naivety demonstrated on here towards the owners.

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Waro
Just out of curiousity, who or what would you want to own the club?

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14 Aug 2014 11:06:03
Honest concern and in no way having a dig mate - seeing a post talk about haters and assume it is not just a comment on a view you happen to hold but a deliberate comment aimed specifically at you is a very worrying sign. Especially when I assume you don't associate your position with random hatred. Might be something to look into there

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14 Aug 2014 11:06:58
The only leaches were Moore's, Morgan and the cowboys they sold to r owners saved the club from administration, from badly run on and off the field to growing commercially. scoring over 100 goals and almost winning the league your gripe at the owners is they r doing a great job and you don't get enough to moan about imo.

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14 Aug 2014 11:32:00
Waro, I'm in the 99.9% and would love to have a face to face conversation with you about the owners.

However, in absence of that, why DO you hate them so much? I really don't get it.

They saved us from bankruptcy, have backed the manager with player purchases whilst not wanting to throw money away (especially having been burnt by Carroll), as Ken says (and as the Eds have said for a while) they have supported our losses. What more can they do?

What sort of owners would you rather have?

Not trying to be antagonistic, but genuinely interested in your reasons and slightly baffled at your hatred of them.

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"all incoming players this window would've come without champions league"

What a ludicrous statement. Without Champions League we would not have had the money to buy the players, even with the Suarez sale. That money would've gone towards stabilising the ever increasing debt.

Lovren, Lallana, Moreno, Markovic and likely Can would not have come without Champions League, leaving us with Lambert and Manquillo and staring down the barrel of a horrible season of pain.

The owners may well want to make money from Liverpool, and what's the best way to do that? WIN!

No one liked the Glazer's taking over at United because they knew they were in it for the money, they have since won 5 titles our of 9 available.

I have no problem with people making money from owning Liverpool provided they run the club correctly and we are winning things!

Currently they are doing the first and we are getting closer to the second. (I appreciate that a poor season this year will undo all of the work so far, but how many clubs are a terrible season away from trouble, I would guess close to 72 of them outside the top tier)

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I think Henry and Warner have been the best club owners in PL. If there was a poll (like in NFL) to see which owners are the best, I'm 100% confident FSG would come out on top. From the day they'd come in LFC has moved in an upward trajectory both on and off the field.
I was quite taken aback by this hateful post against FSG who till now have done nothing but good things for us!

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{Ed002's Note - They have been doing the right thing but you might want to take the red tinted specs off and consider the amount of debt the club is now in.}

14 Aug 2014 11:47:21
I think they both looking for sugar daddy like city of Chelsea . to be fair wouldn't we all but FSG have done an amazing job since coming in from hours away from administration to a slip away from the league what more do you guys want in what 4 or 5 years?? This club is becoming a feared club once again if they do have a end game then so be it they have brought this club from its knees and you should be grateful we didn't end up like leeds

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Waro that slang was used by us in the late 60s and into the 70s . didn't know that people were still using it in the 80s. B.T.W. Agree with a lot of your posts, not every one but a lot. people are afraid to voice their own opinions a lot of the time and stick to the party line. very symptomatic of the country we live in and the sign of the times. keep posting and stop getting upset.

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Spot on ozone, but just let the sheep lap up the propaganda there spoon fed and leave them to it mate

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They did not save us from bankruptcy. Its a myth.

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I think Waro and Ozone have read the Brian Reade book "An Epic swindle" one too many times.

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Come on Ozone. Tell us some of the ways to manipulate accounts that would show £50 million losses year on year. i'm dying to hear this.

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Irish Rover, I'd rather us fans own the club and be in the second tier of English football than be exploited in the way we are by FSG.

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Split hairs over the current accounts/ debt ratios as you wish lads. Just bear in mind that with the ground expansion complete, the commercial contracts in place, the reduced wage bill, TV revenue, season tick revenue on 60,000 plus stadiu, LFC will be worth circa £1 billion at least.

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{Ed002's Note - No, that is far from correct until debt is cleared - many, many years away with the stadium. The great hope for income is naming rights for the stadium as income from the additional seats is not much to talk of.}

14 Aug 2014 12:12:09
I've posted this story before, but here it goes again. Here in the US we have a morning news program called Morning Joe. Joe Scarborough is the host and also a LFC supporter. How he became one is interesting and PRE FSG. he went to an office to meet some friends to go out for lunch. He got to their office and had to Waite in the lobby while they finished a meeting. He was checking out various Red Sox pictures etc. he's a fan and the office was FSG and came across a shrine(joes words) for LFC AND ISTANBUL. He asked the friends when they came out what this was about, they made home sit down, and they made home watch the match right there in the lobby for they have it set up to do so. That's how he became a supporter. As it turns out they have been fans of our club for years, then they got a chance to not only buy the club but save it. You don't like the guy that's cool. You think because they're Yanks they are clueless etc etc. again your opinion but to question why they bought the club and their intentions, get a grip guys. So they turn the club around, make us competitive with the money we EARN upgrade Anfield, and then sell the club for a profit. And the problem is? I'll tell you this, if they did do it that way and will at some point I'm sure they will leave the club in more than capable hands. They'll do this for they are supporters of the club. It's the modern world in sport and sport is a business first, a huge massive business. They are the right people for the job at hand and we are very lucky to have them guiding us through a chapter in our history that could have never been written if it weren't for them.

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14 Aug 2014 12:24:12
Yawn yawn yawn. Owners aside have you two got anything positive to say about Liverpool and the coming season?

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Ozone "in the second tier and not exploited. . ." bit like Blackpool then, perfect owners!

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14 Aug 2014 12:47:33
People need to understand football has changed. It I s a business, and not a small one either. The figures are ludicrous. FSg are a business, and the aim is to make money, whether they be American, English or whatever. I don't have the figures and I don't really wish to see them, but 99% of businesses run on a debt. Our debt is big, but then so are profits and income etc. I think most top clubs in the world bar Arsenal are running with large debts. Liverpool needed a new stadium or to revamp Anfield, t was essential to the future of the business. I don't have an opinion on FSG as I have never met the owners or looked into their business models, and I am pretty certain no one on this site, Ed's included, have either.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool don't have "big" profits - they have "big" losses. You understanding is far from correct.}

14 Aug 2014 13:34:34
rihanna is interested

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I see the owners as trying to run the club as best they can and that is massively financially driven. This is an investment for them but they won't make a good return on their investment until the club is being run well and doing well financially. Doing well on the pitch is imperative to the clubs financial success and they understand that and are willing to spend (transfers, wages, etc) to try to help in this way.

In 10 years time if the club is being run well, is going well on the pitch, has a 60k stadium and reasonably low debt then the value will be high and they can cash out a large profit.

I don't see anything wrong with that because I think they've deomonstrated that they are aware that in order to do well commercially we must do well on the pitch.

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I have a hard time reconciling fan ownership and being happy with being in the 2nd division and then being unhappy as we're 'only' signing £7M players. That aside, the debt being heaped on the club is a concern and and area where, if I were Waro or Ozone, I'd probably focus my angst. Last fiscal report I think the club now owes UKSV near enough £100M (somewhere around there, I forget the exact number and am too lazy too look it up). Add in an add'l £250M or so of new bank debt for the stadium expansion plus whatever has been racked up in between and it's a substantial amount of money. A fair question might be why have FSG not converted the loans into shares? The answer is probably pretty obvious and is a bit of a bone to pick with the owners, to be fair.

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14 Aug 2014 15:05:13
Ed002, you have got no chance, those specs are spot welded on

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14 Aug 2014 15:05:26
Ed002, the naming rights element further goes to bolster the point. I was merely throwing a few 'value contributing' variables into the pot to illustrate the point. FSG's business model is solely geared to optimising future capital value. A couple of accounting anomalies along the way is neither here nor there to them.

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14 Aug 2014 15:06:09
Look at what these guys have done so far. In 4 short years. Debt situation is better than what it was during the cowboy reign. Anfield expansion is finally moving in the right direction, there is money to spend. We are back in the champions league.

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Tommy irish red, out of curiosity, what did Morgan do?

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Exactly RDL, UKSV John Henrys holding company for LFC. Gilt Edged business model designed to exploit with minimum risk. Effectively, they're writing cheques to themselves as the clubs equity increases. All covered through increases in capital value.

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And if you think FSG wouldn't have ran the club similar to the cowboys prior to the credit crunch your sadly mistaken. Credit was widely available and leverage was the name of the game back then. Rather than being blatantly crude, this lot are very cute in how they've dressed it up. Nonetheless, it all works on similar principles.

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14 Aug 2014 17:10:34
Him and Moore's got an extra few million out of selling to the cowboys without obviously doing due diligence on them, they let the fans down and should have imo sold to the Arabs.If they had the club's best interests in their thoughts .The cowboys you could see how false they were from the start with John Henry I don't get that vibe, and I have seen an interview we're John Henry has said he will always do what's best for the club if he ever came to the point of selling r basically how he runs the club it will be with the best interests in mind and for me he has lived up to that, just look back at the Dempsey, siggurdson and some of the other decisions that have been made on the transfer front, if we were being run by a bunch of person's like before we would be trying to get rid of crap players with no takers for them.Morgan sold his Liverpool supporting soul to the devil imo.

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Thank goodness for that. I'll sleep well at night now Tommy Irish Red, now I know John Henry has openly stated he has the clubs best interests at heart. Plus if you get a positive vibe about FSG then I'm sold. I'll get the wife to prepare the party food.

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Red axis could you explain how the debt situations better? Cowboys got caught out due to economic factors. Apply a similar 15-20% contraction in commercial business valuations to the current owners acquisition price and hey presto! no difference in debt/ value gearing.

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14 Aug 2014 19:10:08
Ed002 with regards to spending this summer, I suppose the Suarez sale has covered the large majority of our spending?

Also is the debt that the club have anything to worry about, and do most clubs have similar debts?

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{Ed002's Note - I think the club will be OK this summer.}

Tommy, I didn't realise Morgan that much of a slice of the club, I agree Moores was greedy, he was also out of his depth running/owning a club of our size, he never maximised the commercial side when we were ultra succesful and he could have financed a stadium expansion rebuild much earlier in his time but did not have the foresight to realise it. When he oversaw the expansion of the Kemlyn road stand to the centenary stand it was (I think I am right in saying) the worst performing stand development in he country, cost against additional seats/income.

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14 Aug 2014 10:03:11
Any further updates on Agger, Illori (Loan), Coates, Assaidi, Borini, Robinson, Yesil and Lucas? I'd be surprised either of these players is in Liverpool come 2nd September.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing happened overnight.}

14 Aug 2014 12:23:00
If the owners have the support of 99.9 of the fans that isn't too bad considering the last owners had that figure against them.F.S.G we salute you keep up the good work.

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14 Aug 2014 09:49:51
looking at the squad we need a top top striker sturridge is not enough, we have at least 2 players for every positions.
last night on pressbox they said we tried for falcao/cavani/benzema so big money must be available.
eto is not the way forward for us too old, we need to buy a future star.
clubs like porto ajax buy players and sell them on, we will be able to keep them.
we need the next aguero/higuain from argentina.
most top strikers are not available, we will proberly go for bony who I like a lot in hour system uptop with his power and finishing he could surprise as all.
balotelli is the best out there, the most talented and young but is proberly seen as a risk.
we need a striker I just don't know who
malta

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14 Aug 2014 09:49:44
Waiting on daughters results. Hoping for.some Liverpool rumours to take my own mind off things

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{Ed002's Note - Good luck to her Al - and to any others awaiting their results.}

Good luck to your daughter mate

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14 Aug 2014 11:10:32
Good luck big al hope she gets results she needs.

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Bless you man, don't know what you waiting on but thoughts are with you.

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14 Aug 2014 09:45:38
My incredibly reliable source *cough* seems to think we are talking to Sami at Brighton about taking Ibe and Rossiter for a month or two at the start of the season.

Heard anything on this Eds?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I can't help, sorry.}

I now live in Brighton, he could certainly do with some more players, have sold some andf not replaced them. I was hoping he would use some of his connections to get hold of a few Liverpool youngsters.

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Isn't Rossiter too young to be loaned?

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{Ed002's Note - Exceptions can be made at lower tiers - but it seems unlikely.}

Teixera would be a good shout until January and then review it.

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14 Aug 2014 09:27:46
Hi guys & eds,

I don't often post much, but i'm on here at least 10 times a day. I love this site, so credit goes out to all the eds and posters who make this site what it is.

The reason for my post is that I want to do a little poll on who the fans think will have the best season between Sterling & Coutinho? I have a space for one more Liverpool player in my Fantasy Premiere League team. Sterling is 8.5mil & Coutinho is 8mil. As you probably know if you play it that every million counts.

I expect great things from both players this season but not sure who will score and assist the most.

Your thoughts would be very much appreciated.

thanks guys

REX

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I don't play fantasy football really, but I'd imagine sterling is a bigger goal threat and more likely to play more games too.

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Sterling for me. I reckon both will be awesome but Coutinho was a bit and hot and cold last season.

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I don´t know if players are rewarded by goals and assist, but I assume you´ll get more points I a player scores? If so, then get Sterling, because I think he will score more, but coutinho will probably assist more. There is also more competition for Coutinhos spot than for Sterlings spot.

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I've gone for Sterling simply because I think he will play more games and Coutinho as good as he is does blow hot and cold

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From the admin oc the league
get sterling at all costs

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Coutinho will shine this season.
Raheem will be marked to high heaven.

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I'd go for Sterling, the boy is going to have a belter this season!

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Thanks for all your answers. I may just gig the team around and maybe take Henderson out and another to accommodate Sterling & Coutinho. Its just that I know Henderson will start most games and seems a steel at 6mil.

Oh I just don't know, thank god i'm not Brendan, he has some tough decisions to make.

REX

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14 Aug 2014 11:07:46
Coutinho will have a generally better season but considering the point scoring criteria for FF, Sterling must be the preferred option

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Lovren Hendo and sterling.

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14 Aug 2014 12:33:29
not a hope in hell will coutinho have a better season than sterling. he is far to inconsistant and when lallana and markovic are up to speed he will be rotating with them constantly. sterling will be our second top goal scorer behind sturridge this season IMO.

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The points for Fantasy Football are pretty straight forward.

Goalkeepers get 3 points for a clean sheet, -1 per 2 goals conceded and 1 point per 3 saves made in the match.

Defenders get 5 points for a goal scored and -1 for every 2 goals conceded and 2 points for a clean sheet

Midfielders get 4 points for a goal scored and -1 point for every 2 goals conceded and 1 point for a clean sheet.

Forwards get 3 points per goal scored and 0 points for any conceded.

Then you have the over all points which are;
Yellow card is -1 point.
Red Card is -3 points.
Assists are +2 points
Penalties scored are +2 points
Bonus points can range from 4 to 10 bonus points can be awarded for MotM and general performances. ^_^

These are all based on last seasons Premier League FF which is the one I think the Eds use on here. Last season I came second in my league with over 1400 points, my best total since I started playing ^_^


My tip would be Coutinho this season.

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14 Aug 2014 08:55:28
A lot of people are thanking Macca for the information given this summer, and rightly so, spot on with a few names. Though let's not forget the daily work that eds 1 & 2 have done.

I remember a list of players that were 'of interest' that a poster had put together from Ed002's information which was also spot on. It basically told us our first and second choice for a fair few positions, all of which we have 'strengthened' this window.

I post quite infrequently but do follow the site daily and there really is nothing else quite like it for information. If only all news was like this. So essentially, with only a few days left before the season kicks off, I'd like to thank all the eds and posters for keeping us all excited (sometimes a bit too much.)

Finally, the good feeling on here currently is really welcome at the moment and long may it continue. A lot of posters have picked up on the fact that some signings are being poorly judged before they've even kicked a ball, but by the same token I think a few players are being judged a bit too quick and we're expecting miracles. It's good that we're pleased with the signings but if, for example, Moreno made a back pass against City with two minutes left or gets run ragged by Navas I'd hate to see the abuse begin again.

Let's get behind the club, each other, the manager, the players and hope it's again an improvement on last year. Roll on Barcelona in the group stages. YNWA

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I was the one who did the list
thanks and keep posting

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14 Aug 2014 08:48:45
Bony deal might be a no go because of his wage demands says Ben Smith of the bbc.

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14 Aug 2014 09:12:22
And We are here enquiring on Falcao's and Cavani's?.

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Simple, let him stay at.Swansea. I want players at Liverpool who are good enough and want to play for the shirt, not cheque

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14 Aug 2014 09:49:33
Big Al

Good enough and play for the club are two different things alltoegther.
Good enough would always have suitors across ( General )

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If we were willing to pay remy 80k £(reportedly) then I don't see why bony is a problem

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14 Aug 2014 11:35:59
I think, Its just we are considering options. I go with Macca and Eds all day than any other stories.
Kono and Bony. Simple. over.

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14 Aug 2014 08:35:06
Could do a lot worse than Welbeck. He seems available and would be relatively cheap. Can play right across front line and one would expect him to net 12-15 goals per season. Still young too.

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No thank you

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14 Aug 2014 08:45:54
we don't do business with them and he don't really float my boat to be honest.

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14 Aug 2014 09:13:13
12-15 goals?. Which season?. He hasn't hit more than 10 goals any season. that's a record.

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I think you might want to clear that mist mate.

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He's not been a regular starter for Utd. I think rodgers would get the best out of him like he's done with Sturridge. Can't stand this tribalism that knocks a prospect on the head just because he's played for an arch rival. I remember people were doing the same with Sturridge when we looked to sign him.

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Welbeck is quick, strong, really hard working and hs a knack for getting on the end of low crosses into the box for simple tap ins or scrappy goals.

He has a complete lack of technical ability though which limits what he can offer. The fact Woy picked him to play left wing instead of Lallana at the world cup sums up everything wrong with English football. Most British coaches value pace and power over guile and craft. That is why out national team looks so average. Roy even has the outstanding ability to make Sturridge, Hendo and Sterling look average with his boring style of rigid play.

If Welbeck played for say Sunderland and he was available for less than £10m, I'd take him. He's no worse than Remy. However I wouldn't touch a manc with a barge pole. Especially not somebody like Welbeck who is nothing more than a squad player and a work horse. Shame, because I hear he is very good mates with Sturridge.

The English player who I'd take ftom one of our rivals to strengthen our front three options would be Oxlade-Chamberlain. I think that lad can and will go all the way to the top. Streets ahead of Barkley but he looks less spectacular so the MOTD fans brush him under the carpet. He can play anywhere across the front 3 and even in the hole. Very good player and Arsenal are wasting him which is an absolute travesty. He now sits behind Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Podolski and Rosicky in the pecking order yet if given a chance he would be world class in my opinion. I'd snap him up in a heartbeat. Technically and tactically excellent and powerful to boot. Shame we've shown no interest. I'd have him over Kono or Bony any day.

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14 Aug 2014 09:28:39
I'd rather Javier Hernández if ever a deal with manU was ever going to happen - very doubtful though.

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14 Aug 2014 09:52:41
Welbeck would offer nothing. He is the same as Downing. Hardworking but no end product.

The Reason He and Johnson got picked for the National team, They are playing at Liverpool and UTD.

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14 Aug 2014 10:03:16
Ha, nice try Louis.

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Would rather invest in Pato who could also be available for £10m or less than.

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We could do a thousand tones better than Welback

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14 Aug 2014 10:21:49
Hyach

Pato has had more injuries than Abu Diaby at Arsenal. Unfortunate but true

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Oxlade chamberlain would be an awesome signing, unlike other overhyped youngsters, every time I watch him play, he gets the job done, always gives 100% and plays with a maturity well beyond his years.

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14 Aug 2014 08:17:49
Hi all

I'm going up to see the Liverpool vs Hull match this season in October, and as it's my Dads birthday pretty close to that I thought I might treat him and go on a stadium tour. I just wondered if anyone here has been on one, and if so was it worth it? There are also a couple of different packages to pick from so if you remember what package you chose it would be helpful. Thanks!

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It's great mate - well worth it. I think the museum is included on the tour but you might want to check if it's different on match days.

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It was alright, you get to see this little room with pics of legends up all around and you get to sit in the dug out and the press room and dressing rooms - worth it just to walk down the tunnel imo

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I went on the full tour with dinner for the first time a couple of months ago despite being a season ticket holder for the last 5 years (and going to games regularly for 20 years before that) and it was brilliant. It opens your eyes to a lot of things behind the scenes that you would expect to be a lot more glamorous/better. Highly recommend all Liverpool supporters go on the tour.

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Well worth it. Seeing those cups up close, amazing.
Not sure how often things get changed in the cabinets, but when I went about 4yrs ago they had a pair of Alonsos boots, just made me think of of the quality that came off those. You get goosebumps being so close to stuff it's an unexplainable feeling

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Its pretty good mate, museum is kinda small, but its packed with more stuff than most of the bigger football museums have! (Although on a side note, I am led to believe that when the Main Stand development is done it will include a new, much larger museum there) well worth the trip. The stadium tour has changed in recent years, you now get to see more places, such as the directors box and board room etc.

But be carefull when you book it, the tours don't run on match days, and I think they finish early the days before a game. So just incase you are coming from somewhere other than Liverpool and staying over night for the game! Enjoy it mate!

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Well worth it, just forgetting to touch the 'This is Anfield Sign'

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It's great, there's an incredible room when you walk in with loads of pictures there that I haven't see before. There's a big picture of shanks giving a team talk which is incredible

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14 Aug 2014 08:12:01
Morning eds. Someone mentioned Rossi yesterday and as far as I can see only Caught Offisde are reporting it. But it made me think.

He can play up front or wide, is a good passer and dribbler, can drop deep and has a good footballing brain. He scored 54 in 136 for Villarreal and 16 in 22 for Fiorentina (who aren't in CL 2014-15) last season including a hattrick against Juve. Release fee reportedly 35m euros but could be got for less. Seems a far better option and far more realistic than some if not all of the strikers we've been linked with.

The one drawback is his recurrent knee injuries. Is this the reason you think we wouldn't be interested?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot be interested in every player.}

I thought his ligaments were made of tissue paper

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14 Aug 2014 08:51:43
So it's ok to sneeze then?

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14 Aug 2014 07:34:53
Ed1 do you think we would of got more for suarez if his ban would have been less? Sorry to bring up old soil there is a reason for this question. Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

14 Aug 2014 09:43:14
The fee for Suarez was agreed long before the World Cup and Bitegate .

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14 Aug 2014 06:35:57
BR praising Sterling very often now, I get a feeling BR wants Sterling to play as a Second Striker.
And probably rely on other players to play from wings and midfield. That will suggest the delay in lookout for a perfect Striker to partner Sturridge.
This prompts me to the thought that BR might be looking for a pacy winger like Di Maria/Shaqiri to conclude his transfer activity this summer.
That way Sterling could play from behind striker.

Any thoughts Ed.

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I have thought a lot about this recently.

I think Gerrard and Lucas will rotate in the holding role with Can, Lallana and Henderson, Allen competing for the more box to box roles.

I then expect Coutinho and Markovic to compete for that role in behind the front 2 of Sturridge and Sterling with Lambert and Ibe the back ups. The problem here is that Lambert and Ibe are both more creative types who prefer a free role. It'd therefore be better if we could get Ibe a season on loan at a Premier league team and sign a more direct back up to Sturridge. Even if they are not similar in style, they need to be a clinical poacher. Bony, Huntelaar, Lacazette etc.

It's very easy to call that formation a diamond, but really its just a re-shuffled 4-3-3 with Sterling and Coutinho in free roles in the front 3 that allows Sterling to drop off and run at people or pull wide and allows Coutinho to come deep, pick up the ball and drive forward to orchestrate the attack like he did so well vs Dortmund.

I think we'll see a whole new Sterling and Coutinho this season and I don't have any doubts both will hit double figures.

I don't expect us to sign Konoplyanka unless Borini leaves though. We will hopefully be able to pick our front 3 come September from a pool consisting of Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Bony, Konoplyanka, Markovic, Lambert. If Borini stays or Ibe stays we simply won't need Kono. That is 7 options for 3 positions, all capable of scoring and creating goals. When you think that last season we only had 4 options (RS, DS, LS and PC) due to the fact Alberto, Moses and Aspas completely failed to step up their game, we are looking far better going forward and we don't need to rely on everyone staying fit. This all hangs on us signing another Striker or at least another forward option for me though. Although if we don't, who am I to write off Jack Dunn's chances?

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14 Aug 2014 07:19:08
I don't think we will sign another wide player.

I expect Sterling to get chances playing up top with Sturridge or Lambert when we play 2 up top. But the use of Sterling up top has to be piecemeal and not rushed.

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This is where Reus would be ideal, or maybe that Konoplaynka fella. Both I believe can move from wing to Central, both score goals.

BR likes players who can play more than one role

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Think of it as a free role AG. Sterling won't ever be the sort to lead the line front and centre because quite frankly, he is too good running at people!

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14 Aug 2014 07:55:19
I would expect Ilbe to go on a loan to another PL club who would guarantee him atleast 20-25 games next season. Borini is off and that's pretty much assured. We are then short of players on the flanks If sterling is played as a second striker or at the tip of the Diamond ( that's his Best position )
Konoplayanka brings pace and serious pace. He has goals in him and also a long short specialist.
He is a very good player, Who has snubeed two serious clubs and would love to play for us.
Our style would bring the best out of him.

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The way Coutinho has been playing in pre-season he is a shoe in to start in CAM. That means Sterling will start predominantly from the wing, most likely the left and it could be Henderson shunted out slightly to the right for now.

That would leave Can or Allen in the centre with Gerrard (Gerrard being the more defensive player).

Lallana or Markovic then will get games on the wing in time allowing Henderson to move back a little.

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14 Aug 2014 09:26:12
Sean

Thats a very important observation. The problem here is What happens when one has a bad day on the pitch ( Countinho would defo have more than once in 3 matches ). You need someone to come off the bench and do the damage.
So goes with Sterling who has played only 1 game per week. The boy would ran out of steam travelling and playing twice a week.
Players like Konoplayanka comes very handy. He has got immense pace and would be brilliant player to come off the bench on certain situations.

We have some really good midfielders on the bench. We need some match winners to come off the bench.

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EMS, i'm not so certain that Lucas fits the team anymore. I don't expect Lucas will have much of a role except as a squad player. i'm not even certain yet that Lucas will even be here come September 1st. The speculation has been constant for months linking him with a move away, whether that comes to anything we will see soon. As I said earlier, I think the team has evolved past the point where Lucas can fill the role that he used to and I would expect that Can will cover in the DM role for Gerrard if need be. IMO, Can is the better fit for our team now and I am not expecting Lucas to play nearly as much you are predicting, and I certainly don't think it will be a rotating/shared role with Gerrard.

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14 Aug 2014 09:46:16
I've given this a lot of thought recently and as I've previously said, I see Sterling being moved into Suarez's position behind/off Sturridge. He has all the attributes to fill Suarez's boots, blistering pace, skill and ability to beat a man, vision, his passing has improved incredibly.

his hold-up play and awareness of players around him is as good as anyone in the Prem (at 19 years old, it's incredible), his workrate is brilliant and his finishing is improving with every game.

Having Sterling in the 'free role' would create so much space for Sturridge as the opposition will be so scared of his pace that they probably double up on him, meaning less pressure on Sturridge and will leave gaps all over the place for Coutinho/Henderson/Lallana/Markovic et al to exploit.

Playing Sterling in this position would, make sense of Macca's statement that we are may be back in for Konoplyanka, as Sterling as a wide player will need replacing if he's played in the free role.

I think signing Konoplayanka depends on 2 things, No1 being if Borini leaves, No2 whether Ibe has impressed Rodgers enough during pre-season and in training to think he's ready and could step up and be the back-up/replacement for Sterling this season.

Roll on Sunday, can't wait! All the pundits will be proved wrong once again this season. Looking forward to seeing Rat Boy Neville eat his words!

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Harry, I wouldn't mind if we signed Kono to add a bit more depth but I don't think he'd be essential.

If Coutinho isn't on form and we'll say Sterling needs a rest then we currently have Lallana (yes injured for now), Suso (still with us) and Henderson who could all comfortably play CAM in a big enough match.

If it was a smaller match the likes of Teixeira could be tried there and otherwise it could just be alter the tactics slightly I would suggest. Get Lambert into the team as a second striker. We could play Gerrard behind both Allen and Can with both of them going box to box and then Markovic/Ibe on the wings.

I think we're well stocked in CAM and we could get Bony yet who would offer more options for playing with 2 strikers or him centrally with Sturridge being rested.

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14 Aug 2014 10:01:37
Scarface

Makes perfect sense on the situations.

1. Borini is off. Sunderland has been waiting all month and I expect him to move.

2. Ilbe needs a proper loan. A run of atleast 20-25 league starts with less pressure would make him a better player than waiting for a game at Liverpool.

Konoplayanka is a perfect fit to play in any off 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation as he does at Dinapro. It would also ensure Lallan to play in the middle along with Henderson.

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14 Aug 2014 05:28:23
With all the speculation about us signing a striker:
What has happened to Peiterson?
He had a good couple of games before we went to the states. Maybe Ed can help? Where the club happy with his pre season?
I think maybe if we can't identify are No.1 target then maybe he should be given the opportunity, and we can re assess in January?

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{Ed001's Note - they were looking for a loan move for him.}

14 Aug 2014 07:22:03
He did OK during the pre-season but really, he is a wide player and I don't expect him to feature much next season.

If Jack Dunn wasn't injured during the summer, Peterson would possibly have not got a chance either.

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14 Aug 2014 03:04:02
hi eds and reds

I was talking to a friend the other day and we got talking who wins you the prem the players or the manager, my friend said some very good points so this is the gist of it,

pellagrini won the prem with man city last season, was it down to him or the players, I said the players and we both agreed, even though we talked about tactics and formations and subs, but in the end we both agreed it was the players that won man city the prem and it was their big name players because no matter which way you ook at it you can't take away a flash of brilliance from a player who can turn a game with pure magic or skill, no i'm not talking about suarez even though he falls into that bracket

man city had hart, kompany, yaya,, silva amd aguero, now that is some spine, and when they were injured then that's where the depth of their squad came into it and just maybe that's what won't them the prem, look at dzecko how many time he came off the bench and scored, ithat was because he is a very good player in his own right,

our bench in comparison was poor, and we all could see we needed strenght in depth, now we have that and we have good players with potential to come on but at the moment we don't have anyone to replace couthino, he has started the season on fire and just seems to be getting better with each game maybe the rest and last seasons experience has worked out well for him, like sterling and flanno, we have bought good players but not top players like city has, and yes I do know we don't have the money to go out and buy the top players , but the comparison remains

pellagrini was linked with us at one time, does that mean he would have won the prem with our players, I don't think he would because we never had a world class spine like we used to have, like city have, so this is why we both agreed that its the players that win you titles and cups, our team is a very good one and we now have good strength in depth we will go close again if the team gels quickly with the new players, we have bought lovren who has lifted the team I think CAN will turn out to be a good player for us the same applies to markovic and moreno,

this is why some fans want a top quality signing, I won't say marquee because its not the type of signing we need we need more players like lovren, and I for one agree with the fans who want a top player at the club its not because he will be a marquee signing but a player who will come in and take the club to an higher level, a marquee signing does not do that, he is just a star attraction who will be on stupid wagers and would cost us too much on his transfer fee, look a blackburn when they won the prem they had 2 top players in shearer and sutton they were not marquee signings but top quality players, there is a big difference, I hope we get one in the position of a striker it will be hard to find one, maybe bonny is that player, I don't know, what I do know though bonny will be a better player than last season for having a season under his belt

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{Ed001's Note - surely the correct answer is it is a bit of both? In fact it is a bit of everything surrounding the club. The atmosphere, the coaching staff, etc etc all make a difference.}

What about Lallana? His best position is attacking midfielder, like Coutinho. It'll be interesting to see who out of the two gets put out wide when they play together, because they both excel playing in behind the striker

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I'm with Ed001 and I disagree that depth won them the league. Depth made them more consistent than us, but our first eleven was good enough to offset that. What won City the title was a dodgy offside call at the Etihad.

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14 Aug 2014 07:40:51
No Adam,

City won the title because over the course of 38 games they amassed more points than us. We cannot blame the dodgy offside call. It was in our hands and we fell at the final hurdle. No pun intended!

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14 Aug 2014 08:00:25
I agree with Adam,
Our first 11 last season would beat any team in the league. 2 reasons for falling short.
1. Henderson Red card against City.
2. Br's lack of tactical skill compared to Jose in the Chelsea game.

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You can add the crystal palace game too, but I think its all part of the grand scheme of things, it will be really something to win the premieship soon, and We will .

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We were robbed in both those games at Christmas (Chelsea and City) and that seriously dented the sides belief. By the time they recovered it was March and even an incredible 12 wins from 14 games was not enough. If we had rightfully taken 2-6 points from those two games, we would've won the league. It would've set them back and drove us forward and perhaps made the players believe before it was just too late. Even if just the City game had ended 2-2 that would've took 2 points off City and added one point to out total which would've been enough to win us the league.

We were robbed last season but it doesn't matter, because revenge is coming.

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14 Aug 2014 09:15:40
I still don't get the Sterling's offfside goal against City. 4 Liverpool players brought down the whole City11 to Knees.

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@Branston Smallchunk, in a straight choice I could 100% see Lallana being moved wide. The sum of the parts would then be better as Coutinho loses a decent bit out wide whereas Lallana is as effective out wide as he is centrally, I think anyway.

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Toures pass vs west brom?

The complete capitulation and lack of effort vs Hull

Throwing away a 2 goal lead vs everton and clawing back a 3-3 draw in the dying minutes?

Playing a high line vs Aston Villa and pressurising up top, the simply released gabby and we just about got a 2-2 draw.

setting out a 3 vs 5 midfield against arsenal and getting thoroughly dominated in the middle?

I agree we got some bad decisions vs chelsea and city. We got some good ones as well.

E.G Sturridge clearly offside when he headed home vs united.

For the record, chelsea thoroughly Dominated most of that 1st encounter in winter. Hazard was literally ripping us apart at times.

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Wasn't Sturridge behind the goal line, therefore could not be offside? Or am I horribly wrong?

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No he was onside when it was hit.

If he was behind the goal line when making a run, his goal should be disallowed, you're not allowed to run behind the goal to get away from a player to then come back on the field of play. Otherwise you could never be offside as a wide player, you'd just stand off the pitch and run back on when it suited you

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13 Aug 2014 23:50:03
Hey ed001 do you rate Bony? I never actually saw much of him last season, do you think he'd fit our system?

Also, do you or any of the other eds know whether we are serious about bidding for Keita Balde Diao? What kind of player is he, for the quoted price he must be good.

Thanks mate

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{Ed001's Note - he is adaptable and skilful. He may not be the ideal solution, but he wants to join and is about the best option around. I don't know anything about Diao at all sorry.}

14 Aug 2014 07:24:20
Kaita Balde makes no sense as we have already bagged Origi. All this talk of LFC bidding that ridiculous amount for him are nothing but agent talk or his club trying for an auction, though LFC have looked at the player.

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I don't see any other viable alternatives either, Bony wants to play for us, is strong enough to lead the line & had a very good first season. Bony or Eto'o? Not even a question in my mind.

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14 Aug 2014 08:05:09
Anything less than 15 mill for Bony would be a real steal. There aren't many who scored 25 league goals in PL availabale at that kinda fee.
Swansea to Liverpool does make sense rather than PSG to Liverpool.

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14 Aug 2014 08:23:42
Harry, Bony didn't score 25 league goals for Swansea. He scored 25 total goals, a lot less were in the league. Sturridge scored 21 league goals and was the second highest scorer, you should at least know that! Bony scored 16 in the league

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14 Aug 2014 09:18:21
Hjike

My Mistake, But He did score 25 goals overall and 16 in League which is a pretty good figure.

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Harry, anything less than £15m would be a steal but I reckon he'd cost more like £18m and I'd still think he'd be good value at that - anything under £20m really. The prices being paid nowadays are quite high (Long, Ulloa, McCormack, Borini).

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13 Aug 2014 23:42:41
Hi Ed's,

Hope all is well.

Done some research on the European and man city pages but can't find any information so thought I'd just ask here. Do you know if Stevan Jovetic will be staying or is he available?

Saw a few links to us a while ago, and whilst it may seem unlikely I really feel like he would be the perfect striker option that the club are after!

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Jovetic from elsewhere but I suspect he will stay another season at MC.}

Righteo, thanks for your thoughts!

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13 Aug 2014 23:42:33
Just watch Liverpool v AC Milan on ssn 5
Champion League Final 2005, boy did it bring back memory it was one crazy night. That day watch it with my friends and family about 12 of us in London, I lost my voice did not go work next day.
Fellow reds can you still remember that night.

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14 Aug 2014 01:48:16
Sure can mate,never will forgot praying in the jacks at half time.
As a 15 year old on that night I just remember feeling something that I had never felt before,and that was pride,such pride that had tears streaming down my face as I watched carra run towards dudek right after that final penalty.
All those years of watching past European glories on video tape and united supporters throwing abuse at you day in day out were finally worth it.
Never will forget that night

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Got up at 3am (Australia) to watch it and considered going back to bed at half time. Thankfully, I didn't and witnessed one of the greatest comebacks of all time. I still shed tears watching the replays - Gerrard manically encouraging the crowd after his goal; Baros dragging Alonso to the floor by his shirt after the penalty; and my favorite moment when Dudek simply nods to himself after saving twice from point blank range from Shevchenko as if he was convinced that a victory was written in the stars.
The only negative of having witnessed that final is I can never switch off a Liverpool game again, regardless of the score or how badly were playing. If we were 5-0 down, I'd still always think about the game vs Milan and think anything is possible.

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14 Aug 2014 03:55:39
I've gotten goosebumps reading these.
I watch it on youtube all the time when I'm feeling low. Crazy how it makes you feel great again.
I can remember I was crying and angry at half time sat on my bed head in my hands, and the sheer cockiness of Milan thinking they won it.
Then we come back. Amazing Night in Istanbul and one I will forever tell my children about.
People may think it's looking into the past but wow it was an immense day for everybody even neutrals.
I was 11 at the time. Seems like yesterday🙊! YNWA!

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Jesus, I was 11 when I watched that game. I get goosebumps watching some of the compilations on YouTube. When you look at the two sides an argument could be made that player for player, Milan had a better team. Passion won us that game. Gerrard screaming at his team mates after his goal as he tried to lift the crowd, the sheer jubilation on Smicers face when I crashed that effort in past Dida, and the dog pile after Alonso had equalised! Then you've got Carragher playing through the pain barrier and making incredible blocks whilst completely cramped up.

That was the year that Gerrard went from a good player, to truly world class. It was also the year that people stopped thinking of Liverpool as a fallen giant and started to realise we were slowly coming back. I have to thank Rafa for that and I truly believe we'd have won the league by now had it not been for the cow boys. Now we're on this rise again though and next time anybody writes us off as title contenders, show them the highlights of that game and tell them, anything is possible if enough people believe.

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14 Aug 2014 08:07:46
I remember being in a pub in central London for the game. I 'paced myself' for 90 minutes, so unfortunately, I can't remember much of extra time or penalties (albeit have watched it back loads of times!). I do remember calling my best mate (also a red) in Aus at the end of the game, and not going to work the next day!

Happy days!

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14 Aug 2014 08:23:47
Adam

You could slightly twist your line. That was the year that Gerrard went from a World class player to, the face of the Club for millions of youngsters. "

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I was fortunate enough to be at the Ataturk that night
At halftime our rendition of ynwa was the most emotional I have ever heard
It was that song that rejuvinated not just the players but us fans as well
There is a great poem about this night I listen to often.
'A year last May'by Dave Kirkby
Google it and have a listen.
Makes me feel so proud to be a red

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EMS, you could write songs for Disney - just a suggestion for some extra cash for college or whatever!

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Not sure if I've got the bear necessities mate ;)

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I'd say you'd be plenty able to string some super optimistic rhymes together!

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I tell you what Sean, I'll write you a poem when I'm on my lunch break ;)

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14 Aug 2014 11:45:31
Computer crashed, not sure if it went hrough already. I was in a bar in Liverpool, forget the name, visiting my brother and cousins. Was absolutely devastated at half-time, but when Gerrard scored we all kind of knew.
During the pens, we and a few lads created a big link and after we scored some others wanted to join our 'human-chain', we told them where to go so as not to jinx it!
After we won everyone poured into the square, I was only 18 at the time and my feet weren't even touching the floor there were that many people. I remember going down and some meat-head just lifting me up with one arm and carrying me out!
Absolute belter of a night and one I will never forget, highlight was seeing my cousin swinging from the beam in the ceiling cheering.

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13 Aug 2014 23:30:15
Just watched you tube (yes I know) of someone else's top 25 Liverpool goals of last season (no it wasn't from Norwich :op ).

Just a couple of thoughts.

I'm not too sure why I like goals from corners where the Central Defender (was going to put CD but Jack may have thought it was for "Cross Dresser" - you have to be careful what you post if lager has been consumed ;o) ) runs towards the corner taker and glances a header over the keeper and into the back of the net - simple goal but hugely effective.

Some of the play on Sunday was exactly like it was last season - regardless of the player we sold.

That being said - just seen the edge of the box header against West Brom - still wow.

I still think that we will score plenty of goals - not as many as last year (happy to be proved wrong) but I do not think we will concede as many so hopefully we will be right up there and be challenging.

I don't think Youtube is a good scouting tool however given the age of our squad and the potential to improve and seeing some of the signings good aspects (from youtube) then it could be a good season and future seasons with the players we have and have bought.

Glad our Scouse Cafu made it on the list of goals for his goal against Spurs!

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13 Aug 2014 23:20:14
If martin kelly does leave Liverpool. I will be very disappointed, as a local lad kelly has not been given the same Chance as flannagen or even wisdom. Glen johnson for 2 years has been getting considerably worse, the guy can't defend for his life and his wages are a joke. For long periods he should have been ashamed collecting his pay packet. Kelly was playing right back before he received his nasty injury. Brendan rodgers had stated tht kelly would be given a chance to prove himself

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Im afraid Injuries have taking toll on Kelly and he will be the same player he was. there is no point sitting him on bench and ruin his career.

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14 Aug 2014 00:47:51
Maybe Kelly was informed of his place in the squad this year and decided himself it would be better for him to go play regularly?

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He was given a chance under Dalglish and did pretty well to be fair, just never was a large enough threat going forward to be a fullback in today's game. Of course the injuries didn't help but it'll be better for him to get game time at palace.

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He is 23/24 he has had chances just unfortunate that his injuries(which he has been getting since his debut in the CL) have placed him low on the list and the club obviously feel flano/wisdom/mclaughlin/randel are plenty local players at RB who can make it into the first team, plus getting Manquillo was probably the last kelly wanted as he had enough competition keeping him out the team anyway.

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14 Aug 2014 01:08:27
It's the best move for the club, and most importantly, it's the best move for him.

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Just because the player's a local doesn't mean he HAS to play, the guy was injured 80% of the time, he demanded stupid wages himself at one point and his ball control was well short of decent, if he goes to crystal palace we won't probably even start there as well, his price tag justifies his quality. I wish him all the best where ever he goes though

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14 Aug 2014 07:25:19
It's the best fro all parties concerned.

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He's too injury prone. I didn't think he looked that great in preseason. If you saw he, who played been around the side for years etc and then saw Manquillio against Dortmund after a week with us, the difference was clear.

I'm also interested in what these chances Wisdom has had more then Kelly? He's been on loan last year, regardless how well he did he's pushed off on loan again.

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@EmreCanDo, you're clearly obsessed with us loaning players and them not walking into the team then - Wisdom is perfect for a loan this season.

He's played a shot of games for us 2 years ago when we had injuries and he done quite well. Then he had loads of time on the bench so last season he was sent to a good footballing team in the Championship so he would 100% start. Great experience for him. Now he's going to a PL team where he'll start as well so he'll get a full season in the PL - this is fantastic for both him and us.

We can't offer him the game time this season and a full season in the PL will do wonders for him. I'm looking forward to him returning next year. Johnson's contract will be up so look at him as his replacement from next season - perfect timing and he'll be better prepared for it with a good season in the PL under his belt.

Sorry for the long post but you've complained so much about our loaning of players I wanted to explain why I see this as good.

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''he was never a large enough threat going forward'' WOW I actually was taken aback by this, he is much better than Johnson and almost every other right back I've seen going forward over the last few years.

BR has got this one so wrong, If we keep wisdom. Wisdom isn't near the quality of Kelly.

I really do wonder what matches people watch on here. Kelly has been good in pre season.

I agree as a move it benefits Kelly but you have to wonder why BR improved his contract the other year, increased it to 4 years, told him he wouldn't play to allow his injury time to heal, then ships him out for a possible £1.5million Quite frankly one of the single dumbest things I will have seen in BR's reign at Liverpool, up there with the ''Salah not over'' talk

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