Liverpool Banter Archive April 14 2014

14 Apr 2014 23:31:54
Daily star reportin barkley to Liverpool any truth in that eds?
Abbas lfc

{Ed002's Note - Exciting times ahead I guess.}

What do you think!

Jesus, some people are dumb.

What are the odds of the lifelong Evertonian Ross Barkley coming to play for his hated and most bitter rivals, sanctioned by that closet Red Bill Kenwright. Hmmm.

If you new anything about life in Liverpool, and the cross city rivalry that exists, you wouldn't even enquire about the possibility of Barkley joining Liverpool.

Some people just don't get it.

Oh, and buy a decent paper ffs.

Wow wd. What's up with the attitude? So an everton fan or player has never signed for Liverpool? I'm sure there has been many.

2002 and 2000 - Nick Barmby and Abel Xavier are the last two to transfer directly from Everton and Liverpool.

Before that we have to go to 1959, its never going to happen not for a player like Barkley.

WD is right. It's so silly it's off the scale. Bitters are called Bitters for a reason.

Has everyone forgot about carra? I don't think we are even looking at Barkley but you can't slate the o.p just because he mentioned it.

I think the attitude Davee stems from the OP's initial post. It shows a distinct lack of insight, and respect for Everton, to just blithely enquire as to whether Everton were going to sell their new idol and superstar to their most hated and bitter rivals.

Barkley to Liverpool has been mooted on here a few times in the past also, I recall. It is just nonsense and smacks of a real arrogance on the part of Liverpool fans, no wonder they hate us so much!

JFT 96

15 Apr 2014 12:01:04
Walton mate, Carragher is a die hard Everton fan. Baines is a die hard Liverpool fan. It means nothing in Liverpool. We are not hated and bitter rivals. My best mates a toffee. Only hooligans and ignorant fools think we are enemies. The red and blue sides of Mersey are like brothers. Sure we bicker, but when either of us are in need, the other will be there for support. So stop being silly. We sit together at most Derbies for gods sake.

I'm not saying Barkley will join btw (personally think he's not even as good as Coutinho) but it would not be unreasonable to suggest. Regardless of who he plays for and supports. Did you know Rio Ferdinand is a Liverpool fan?

The relationship between Everton and Liverpool is far from one of hate - possibly the only derby in the world with fans sitting next to each other. Fenerbache and Gala is hate, Belgrade and Partizan is hate.

I don't think Barkley will join but some of our best ever players have been Evertonians - including Robbie Fowler - who was twice the player Barkley will ever be.

East Midlands, the large majority of my family are Bluenoses, do we hate each other? of course not, but would they hate it if we won the title? absolutely, yes. This is the context I use the word 'hate' in.

Most of the Blues I know would rather anyone but us win the title, in fact, which I fully understand as they will have their noses rubbed in it on a daily basis. As for selling us Barkley, well that ain't going to happen is it? Kenwright would be lynched.

To compare the Carragher and Baines situation to the current Barkley one is nonsensical, there are no similarities. And for the record Carragher 'was' a die hard Everton fan, Baines 'was' a die hard Liverpool fan, they are not any more.

Carragher was a kid when he made a footballing decision to join LFC. Barkley is a first-team regular. There's no comparison. He'd find it difficult living in Liverpool if he moved clubs. Most people it's banter. There's more than a few fellers with, let's say, criminal tendencies who would less than politely make it clear it wouldn't be a good career move for young Ross. Gerrard to Chelsea anyone? The Rooney tapes? This is why this story is silly to anyone with knowledge of the city.

14 Apr 2014 22:52:04
Thanks for answering my last post guys. This is my last one for a while now - bit of an impulse one haha

scale of 1-10 on them 5 below:

Parejo - Cm
Pjanic - Cm
Costa - Fwd
Tadic - Lw
Rodriguez - Lb

Thanks

7.83
2.77
3.19
2.62
4.34

Calculated using my crystal balls "transfer odds" app :)

14 Apr 2014 22:16:52
Was just thinking maybe Moses would poss stand in for next game if sturridge is out? That's if Rodgers is thinking he needs pace. Have to say late in the game when Moses went on that run(although losing the ball, hendo tackle etc)he did look determined to run his butt off and I just think he could do a job especially on the counter away from home. Anyway not trying to pick the team and not really saying that's what we should do but just thought I saw a little spark in him for first time in red shirt.

I think the fact that Rodgers has started to put him on and show some faith in him (he wasn't getting a look in for a few weeks) suggests that he has really knuckled down and impressed in training.

The kid's only young, with bags of potential, if he could fulfill that at Liverpool then we'd have a really decent player on our hands.

Just a shame we can't use him against Chelsea now that Henderson's out and Sturridge is possibly touch and go.

Be ironic if a chelski player helped us to the title :-)

Bit late in the season to be knuckling down! Doesn't look to have much game intelligence to me. Mid table Prem player at best.

Seeing as we have chelsea next week and he would be intelligible vs them, would it make sense to play him?

14 Apr 2014 21:42:40
A very entertaining game in the mini derby tonight. Plenty of legends in the crowd representing both teams too. Kenny Dalglish, Mike Marsh and Steve McManaman for the red side. Kevin Sheedy and Duncan Ferguson for the blues. Colin Pascoe and Roberto Martinez were also in attendance.
The usual hustle and bustle of a derby match was interrupted after 8 mins.
An accidental collision between Evertons Chris Long and Liverpools goalkeeper Ryan Fulton meant the young blue had to be replaced early.
The reds dominated the 1st half and took a deserved lead on 25mins. A fabulous ball chipped in from Texeira found Lussey's run who got his header in before the defender and it looped over the blues stranded keeper.
A fantastic effort in the 2nd half from Everton. They pressed better and passing also improved. The reds were forced back time and time again, relying on counter attacks to get up the field but without the intensity of the 1st half.
Alan Stubbs changed the blues shape with a substitution on 74mins as momentum was starting to move back in the reds favour to 3-5-2. It took until the 85th minute for Everton to take advantage. A wonderful cross from the right found a blue head in the box. It finished 1-1 and on the balance of play a fair result.
It means the reds finish top for now on 42 points.
Chelsea on 35 and Man City on 34 in 4th and 6th respectively are the only 2 teams who can overtake the reds. They both have 3 games left to play. If they drop points in any of their games Liverpool would finish top and secure home advantage at Anfield for the semi-final play off.

Great summary as usual, Simon!

Thanks Simon

14 Apr 2014 20:47:39
Ed's would there be any downside if we appeal for hendo's red card?
I mean if we appeal and fail.

{Ed003's Note - could be another 1 game added for a frivolous appeal I suppose - but why when it was a definate red would you appeal ? }

So an extra game ban and makes the club look foolish, to appeal something which is cut and dried.
It would be a bonkers thing to do.
Accept the punishment and move on.

Yeah no point in appealing - it wasn't malicious just over enthusiastic which, given the circumstances, easy to understand but definitely red card. We should just accept it and move on - Lucas or Allen can replace him, we function as a team and will continue to function that was in spite of Hendo's absence.

I was actually just trying to get a general idea of the appeal system and thought of the henderson incident as a reference.

{Ed002's Note - If it is a frivolous appeal the ban will be increased.}

I thought that although an extra game gets added on there is a time delay to analyse the appeal etc so if we appealed he'd miss 4 games but it wouldn't start next game so he might be available for norwich and possibly chelsea. Is this just rumour

{Ed002's Note - It seems a pity you just can't accept it is what it is.}

15 Apr 2014 12:20:52
Ed02 I'm fine with the red card and its 3 game ban I watched the game and said he should have been sent off, I was just stating something I had heard about the appeal system for you to say if it were correct or not, I did not expect to be told I can't accept it. I thought most people on here were a little more respectful about posts

{Ed002's Note - There has been no appeal.}

14 Apr 2014 19:24:36
Are Liverpool one of the clubs under investigation of uefa for breaches of FFP?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not been playing in Europe.}

14 Apr 2014 19:07:01
Where's that geezer who talks about the ressies? Missed the teams

{Ed002's Note - Try the team page.}

14 Apr 2014 18:35:34
eds, do you think livepool will appeal hendo's red card?

{Ed002's Note - Probably not.}

14 Apr 2014 17:14:23
any news on suso, borini, assaidi, wisdom, robinson, llrois? also what's the situation with yesil? cheers

{Ed002's Note - Is the search engine broken?}

Borini and assaidi are not good enough for LFC. the rest should come back or maybe loan for another season

14 Apr 2014 16:05:05
What a game- lost my voice yesteray.
But not just from cheering and singing. At one point, along with a few around me I was going livid at Sturridge for his selfishness.
It it is a problem which goes right through our team. Players looking for individual glory when we have a man over.
I would like us to kill the games off first and then start around after because so far we have got away with it
but sooner or later it will come back and bite us on the arse.
I don't know if BR is addressing this - I even said to the bloke next to me at half time that Sturridge should have been replaced.

I agree Mate. Suarez & Sturridge have been putting personal milestones before the team for the last 3 games and have played poorly by their high standards as a result. Suarez also doing his anything to win South American tricks because it's a big game. He should have been sent off. Do that again against Chelsea and he will be shown a red. Thankfully the rest of the team are still playing as a team.

Why does every one always pick on Sturridge? This drives me mad. No one says anything about Coutinho popping off a shot that goes well wide with Suarez on one side and Sturridge on the other. Suarez takes a poor shot from 24 yards out that has 0 chance of going in, no one says anything about it. But heaven forbid Danny takes all of one shot yesterday and he's 'selfish'.

Suarez has taken 136 shots with 29 goals this season, Sturridge 80 with 20 goals. Does this make Suarez selfish? Danny has 7 assists- more than the likes of Lallana, Cazorla, or Mata and the same as Eden Hazard. Does this make him 'selfish'? Just let the lad play his game- he's been brilliant this season and for me I'm really tired of hearing this nonsense.

It is the job of players without the ball to provide an option. The player with the ball makes the decision. It's as simple as that.

Not having a pop at Sturridge. Watch the games back. The pair of them are too interested in their own tallies. I'm talking about Spurs, West Ham & City games.

I'm with RDL here

I wish our players were as greedy as yours, than maybe we can win 10 on the bounce and be 4 games away from winning the league.

I actually think our front players are a little bit too greedy in general. The only exception I see is Sterling who tends to have a shot if he creates the situation out of nothing but it annoys me to watch the matches and see how many more goals we could've scored had the likes of Coutinho, Suarez and Sturridge been more generous in their play.

LOL, DG.

Anfieldboy, I don't have an issue with pointing out the pair may perhaps not have been on the same wavelength the last few games as I'd say that was fair enough, it's the singling out of Sturridge in particular I was referring to.

If you see my post RDI you will note that I said they're all at it
Couthinho had a 3 on 1 but went for glory
The manager needs to get tough on this as we might not get away with it every time

I too don't agree with those who had it in for Sturridge. I think he's an unbelievable talent. I stand by my point and most of mates (many of whom go to the games) agree. You are allowed to be critical. That doesn't mean I don't think we have the best forward line in the league. We do. Team comes first always.

Rush was destined to be a flop until Sir Bob told him to be more selfish.

Natural goalscorers are selfish, nothing wrong with Danny, just keep banging them in son.

Being critical is fair, particularly on forums such as this, Anfieldboy. I just personally have a massive disliking of the 'selfish' label that keeps getting stuck, in my opinion very unfairly, on Sturridge.

Look at Coutinho, for example. Cracking player and love the kid, but he's taken 64 shots this season and bagged only 5 of them. To me, there is a bit of selfishness there yet it's not hardly ever mentioned.

Suarez takes some ridiculous shots sometimes and usually it's just 'what a genius' instead of 'sub him off at halftime' which is what Sturridge gets for his efforts.

Just think it should a bit more even handed then the criticism usually is. My opinion is people have clung on to the 'greedy' and 'selfish' label when it comes to Sturridge without perhaps putting it into context of the rest of the squad or acknowledging the fact that he is generally one of the players furthest forward and therefore his options are always likely to be a little more limited than others.

14 Apr 2014 15:02:23
I know there is slim to no chance but the only player I would be over the moon about getting in the summer if we could, is Adam Lallana. I could watch the fella play all day long, he's class. He has really impressed me this season and its not match of the day fever. He has shown time and time again how good he is. Every time he gets the ball, you get a sense that somethings going to happen. He really needs to be unleashed on Europe and we could give him that opportunity. Done to death, I know. but nothing is certain in football.

We need a left back. Flanagan, firstly, is a right full back put on the left for cover for Enrique, who has been on the physio's table more than the pitch this season and as much as I like Cissokho, he's a good defender, he's just not the attack minded full back we need to play in the system we work, which, I think, is why he's not getting a good rep therefore I can't see us making the move permanent.

I see some people looking another striker brought in. We don't need one. Ok, Suarez and Sturridge can't play every game but Borini is to come back and he has shown, me at least, that he can cut it in the league and with better players around him (no disrespect to Sunderland) he could really make a point. Aspas, may now get more game time with more cup games. He didn't cost £9m for nothing and I for one would like to see a return on that investment and I'm sure he would like to prove he's no slouch.

I think with a few choice additions from the reserves and academy (Ibe, Teixeira, Sinclair and I know he's still young but Ojo is one to watch) we wouldn't need to buy a lot of different players. I suppose that is the point of what J.Henry is trying to do with the club. Produce world class talent rather than buying it.

I can't wait for Norwich, Suarez for a hat-trick anyone? Its Crystal Palace I'm worried about. Some people say that if they are safe by that point then that may be an advantage for Liverpool and that could be true but playing a team that have no pressure can be just as hard as playing a team with the weight of the Premier League on their shoulders.

Man City also have to play Crystal Palace at Selhurst park the day we play Chelsea. Palace are a completely different animal under Pulis and I expect a hard game for both Liverpool and City when they go there.

Anyway, one game at a time.

4 Cup finals left.

EVERYBODY (except UTD fans) think its ours. I would love to see it happen.

YNWA! RT96!

Must say this is one of the best posts I've read in quite some while.
Agree with everything you pointed out except possibly Aspas doesn't seem like a player yet able to adapt to the tempo of English football, so I wouldn't mind sending him out on loan. And also Norwich could be difficult as they looked a reborn side on Saturday although can definitely see Suarez on the scoresheet at Carrow Rd. yet again.
With Lallana thouhgh I couldn't agree more, Flanagan is a right back just covering at left back was on point as well, and Borini's knack of scoring in the big games at Sunderland has formed the opinion in my mind that he's Dirk Kuyt no.2

I think lallana is great but we can't afford him without Suarez moving on. If the club thinks Will Hughes is capable of being that good in 4-5 yrs time then I'd rather buy him and a pacy left winger for the same price combined as Lallana. Saints would want 25-30m.

Anfieldboy, I'm pretty sure 25m on lallana wouldn't be beyond our reach, however that being said I agree it's unlikely.
We need a winger, a left back and a midfield enforcer. Depending on what players we sell, what youth players are deemed ready and what positions we cover with astute loans, would then determine whether a player like lallana could be bid for.
I like him but Henderson, Allen and Coutiniho are all so young that another 25%-50% improvement out of them next year wouldn't be too far fetched.
Come on 4 more games to go!

Tbf 25 million is a fair amount for a player who is nearly 26, and to be fair has had one great premier league season! Totally rate the lad, think he's amazing, but I reckon another option could work as well and be less expensive!

That's my point Bacon. We have 5 great midfielders as it is and 3 great attackers. There's a limit to how much we need to spend on any one player when of those 8 players most are under 25 and only one is over 30. Players like Konoplyanka and Hughes for the same money makes more sense and gives us more options both now and in the future. The improvement in the players we have is the key. What valuations would we put on Suarez (80-100m?), Sturridge (35m-40m), Coutinho (25-30m), Sterling (25-30m), Henderson (20-25m). In fact if Markovich is worth 30m add some on to Sterling. And in fact Sturridge can do everything Costa does so add 10m to his valuation. Silly valuations of foreign players in inferior leagues sometimes mask the true value of the players we already have.

14 Apr 2014 13:47:32
He's a story. Around 2 or 3 years ago I was in the corporate area (legitimately) for spurs away the game Skrtel scored in both ends & Lennon got the winner for spurs but all of that is insignificant because walking out to our seats for the second half me and my friend walked past Kenny dalglish talking to another famous face but we kept walking without so much as looking back at the time I'd of been 15/16 & was too scared to acknowledge a man I knew as the king. Around 20 yards past him we both did the bow but my I wish I'd of spoken to him!

When I was a kid my kid brother played in the same Saturday morning on-the-park team as Paul Dalglish.

It was quite surreal standing on the side lines to watch with the king Kenny, who would be standing on the side line of Anfield later that day.

He gave me his signature once :)

He was on my flight once. I was a nervous wreck saying hi haha

Me and the family have recently just moved down the road from Kenny (Hansen lives just around the corner from him also) so my jogging route takes me past both their houses.

I've no idea what i'd say if I ever bumped into either of them, as they were both my hero's when I was a nipper, pretty sure that i'd just bottle it and grin inanely, which i'm sure they are used to!

Two iconic legends of our great club.

14 Apr 2014 12:25:27
Hello fellow reds, still absolutely buzzing from yesterday! If we play how we have done in the last 10 games, we will win the title! We should take a lot of confidence and positives going into these final 4 games.

Despite fighting for premier league survival, we have blown Norwich away in recent times, in particular Suarez! I expect to have more of a battle this time round!

Chelsea will obviously be difficult to overcome. However, they have not impressed be at all recently and have struggled away from home in games like Aston villa and palace. Despite mourinho usually getting his team set up well for these games, they only beat man city as they had fernandinho out and demichelis in midfield! Which made it look comfortable!

I would like to th wellink palace wouldn't be to difficult. It usually would be, but hopefully they will be guaranteed premier league survival by then and it could be more straight forward.

Newcastle have been in woeful form of late! And with the atmosphere of anfield could drag us over the line if we don't perform particlary well!

This title is truly within our grasps! One gamesl at a time though, bring on Norwich! Make us dream

I think suarez back as single striker has come at the right time.

what price a suarez hat trick? hmmm.

Let's hope Daniel is not to bad! Would be a massive loss to have him and Hendo out!

How would you guys shuffle the pack if that is the case?

I would consider bringing Allen and Lucas in at the side of the diamond and play sterling up top to replace sturridge.

I see Hendo as a bigger loss at this time with his hard work and distribution as Luis can be an excellent frontman. Nothing against Sturridge I just think his loss affects the team less.

14 Apr 2014 11:41:19
Hi eds and fellow reds. i'm traveling to Liverpool for the last game vs NUFC. and I was just wondering where's the best place to be during the game if not at anfield? i'm tryin my hardest to get tickets but its going to be very expensive if not impossible to get. Greetings From a red swede

I doubt you will get a ticket, the best place will be the city center it will be packed to the rafters or if you want to be closer to anfeild then the sandon pub is a good boozer but again it will be packed.

The bbq burgers are fantastic!

14 Apr 2014 10:07:25
Magnificent - pure pedigree. We still have an alarming habit of going to sleep in the second half but we are getting away with it for now. Shame about Henderson, but he knew he was going to be red carded and went without complaint.

14 Apr 2014 05:09:38
I think our dream started after the Massive Arsenal Win that when we hard the rights to Dream. Our dreams are valid

14 Apr 2014 05:06:43
Ed02. How about this. Who's to say a transfer has to be from one club to another. What's stopping john Henry from talking to a club about a player, settling how much it is to "buy him out of his contract" then getting them to sign for Liverpool. This would by pass Liverpool, and the fee john Henry pays, doesn't effect the clubs outgoings, which loop holes ffp :)

{Ed002's Note - I would suspect that Liverpool will try and work within the rules.}

Are you really Del-boy Trotter, Benny?

Yeah, buy the player out of his contract for £25m and he signs for Chelsea on a free. You can't ensure that a player will sign for you unless you speak to him, that comes with club and agent and player permission. That's when it all becomes a legal issue. Mess about with it and you could end up like Barcelona.

The Contract would be between the player's club where henry and not Liverpool and the player so the player can happily sign for any other club because there is no contractual obligation between Liverpool and the player.

{Ed002's Note - Where do you get all of this nonsense from?}

English contract law. you can check it for yourself although signing a player like that doesn't exactly make sense

{Ed002's Note - Putting aside my Masters Degree in Law, you are an idiot and clearly know nothing about the game, transfers, ownership and player registrations.}

Woah end calm down mate no need to get offensive man! I'm not studying law, just looked up the contract act for the fun of it and tried to interpret it and may be got it wrong. Any way ed I have always respected your work and STIL LDO. So maybe some other day. No Hard feelings man.

14 Apr 2014 04:34:38
what a great game today, proud of the boys and can't wait now for norwich and especially chelsea. will be missing sturridge and hendo but reckon we can keep it together and keep pushing forward. the way I see it, BR can play a 4-3-3 with lucas, allen and gerrard in the midfield with gerrard more advanced which excites me a great deal because it will be like unleashing the beast and gerrard obviously still has his wicked shot. I think suarez wil be center with coutinho and sterling out wide, or I can also see BR sticking with the diamond and playing sterling and suarez up front as a partnership, ( SAS doesn't change right haha) and coutinho, gerrard, allen and lucas in midfield. to be honest i'm not too overly worried as I think everyone has stepped up to another level since the beginning of the year and I think we can beat anyone who comes our way. any thoughts anyone?

14 Apr 2014 02:36:51
Well my fellow redmen, We can say with great pride, joy, relief and a sense of accomplishment that we have sent a strong and valiant adversary packing with defeat in its baggages back to Manchester after a hard-fought and gruesome battle for supremacy which thankfully turned in our favour. I would like to congratulate the City players, fans and club for the geat respect and touch of class they showed during the service and minute of silence that preceeded the game. They have done honour to us and their club and their show of solidarity and class shall never be forgotten.
As for the game, I think we started very well and put them on the backfoot for most of the first period and as a result, we got a bit tired and this let them back into the game hence, the saves by Migs and the clearances of the line before the half. Consequently at the restart, we started defending way too deep and w/ Silva getting on the ball more and more, it was only a matter of time before they scored and take over the game from there. Afterwards, it was a matter of holding out thru the storm and stay together through it as I posted before the game because I knew that period would defo happen. We got punished for slacking off and City could/should prob have won it based on the chances they had but I always knew we would have one more chance and when it came, we took it. As for the officiating, Suarez could/should have been off because I felt he allowed the City defenders to get into his head and make him lose his mind and that could have cost us. Sakho`s "non-challenge" on Dzeko was not a penalty because he stepped on his head while riding the challenge and threw himself on the ground afterwards. And the Silva one wasn`t either because he and Flanno (who had a good game keeping Navas quiet) literally kicked himself and like Dzeko, Silva also threw himself to the ground. The others were either open to interpretation (foul on Suarez or Zabaleta on Sturridge)) or not seen except thru replays (Skertl handball). All in all, a complete evening out of events, IMO.
The victory was sweet and SG`s show of pure emotion touched my heart to the core. However, we have done nothing yet and like we`ve been saying, we keep calm and take it one game at a time. All we did was gain 3 more points and next week at Carrow Road, we go again and hunt for 3 points as we march on towards what we hope is paradise. RED TILL I`M DEAD!

13 Apr 2014 23:45:15
Coutinho is our very own Roberto Baggio. He was super today.

However our defence can't cope with set pieces. It is a worry when Cyrstal Palace, Newcastle and Norwich will lump the ball forward.

As for Chelsea- don't write them off - they have Mourinho and decent players.much as we may dislike Jose he knows how to set up a team to win big games.

The title is not won yet .


M1

I agree, but don't write city off either, just keep doing what we've been doing then look at it in 4 games time.

14 Apr 2014 00:10:08
every Sunday I check the bbc premier league table with its little green red and grey hyphens and tonights the night for celebration. a big fat row of green indices befell my peepers. ten wins on the spin.

sterling is the truth

13 Apr 2014 23:32:01
I'm a huge fan of this site ( I read daily) but I very rarely post, but does anyone out there agree with my hypothesis that there is something different about this team this year, where in 2009, when we should have won the title, we blew up. We seem to have a bit more steel about us, a wee bit more heart and a wee bit more, dare I say it, belief. Me big mate always says that Utd won in 2009 because they got a record points. Yes that is true, but we could have got a record if we hadn't t bottled it, this current team though, there is just something different. I'm old enough to remember the Johnny Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Rush and the list could and should go on. We are an exciting team again. Sorry for the long inane post, but I have to share.
justice. hoping this coming week we will finally get some honesty
YNWA

Maybe the manager is a huge factor?

We lost the title in 09 as everytime Torres was out, we only had Ngog to bring on, if we had a half decent striker as a sub we would have done it!