Liverpool Banter Archive September 13 2017

 

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13 Sep 2017 22:56:51
I want to see taa jm jg ar in a back line together can't be any worse then what he's playing.

Believable5 Unbelievable1

14 Sep 2017 02:49:58
I agree I want to see it. But could it be the 1-1-8 system he plays? I mean, all the abuse the defense got tonight- it was the fault of our attack that we drew the game. Should have been 5-2!


14 Sep 2017 03:07:00
Its not just the players, its the system and coaching of Klopp's that is faulty. Yes the defenders are bang average but it should also be noted they were never as bad for their previous clubs.
Ed002 alluded to Klopp's 'high metal' football that he would need to temper if LFC were to challenge for trophies and Klopp has refused to learn from his mistakes.
When your full backs are asked to play so high up the pitch, the CBs especially average ones need protection by a CDM to offer better balance between attack and defence. Not only do our midfielders fail to understand when to and not to press, they fail to do their defensive duties and our CBs compound those problems by strolling around and making schoolboy mistakes.
Salah aside, the transfer window was a complete mess for us. No defensive minded midfielder, no decent CB and Klopp himself has no idea who his first choice GK is. Amateur coaching at its best.


{Ed001's Note - go back and watch the game and stop listening to Ed002 who is winding the gullibles up. Ed002 doesn't watch us play, he has no idea if Klopp's style of play is the issue or not. However, those of us that actually do watch it will have noticed that Gomez did not play high up the pitch at all. He played like an old fashioned full back, getting forward later in support, but not just charging forward willy nilly the moment we got the ball. Your moans are about something that no longer happens because Klopp has changed how he plays and learnt from his mistakes.}

13 Sep 2017 23:31:45
Agee - Milner to play RB in the big games where experience required.


13 Sep 2017 23:33:37
I didn't think gomes was that great tonight. And what if he proves unread? Go for the next lad from the academy? Then the next? Until we have an eight year old on the pitch? No, I think tonight showed gomes isn't the answer either. I'm not writing hin off BTW, I just feel he could do with a bit more experience at that RB position. Matip and lovren are what we have. We should have had an alternative target to vvd lined up. It was always a possibility that saints wouldn't sell. Im struggling to think of five European cbs who are worse than ours were tonight. Sorry jurgen, love you mate but come on.


{Ed001's Note - and yet you think Moreno was brilliant! I really do not get what you see. Gomez had a decent game, despite most of the time having to cover Matip's man as well as his own.}

13 Sep 2017 23:52:40
Karius
TAA/ Gomez/ matip/ andy
Coutinho can gini
Salah firmino mane.


14 Sep 2017 05:33:33
I was not specifically talking about this game. Gomez is a CB and his natural instincts would dictate he will be a bit forlorn on the attacking side. Nothing wrong with full backs high up the pitch but where is the support for the CBs? Henderson? The guy who rarely tackles and got run over time and again in the last few games? Gini and Can don't know when to drop back or attack.
I like the way Pochetino sets up his team. He knows his full backs are average defenders so he pushes them ahead and has a CDM dropping deep to help out Vertonghen and Alderweireld allowing each defender lesser space to mop up.
Our midfield on the other hand encourages opposition forwards to run past them like ghosts and our already hapless CBs are made to look like mugs. There is no proper balance between attack and defense and its painfully obvious to see.
Oh and btw, Klopp's BVB team would run havoc and leave this LFC team for dead in a spineless heap. So clearly Klopp has compounded his own shortcomings than improve on hsi mistakes.


{Ed001's Note - how long did it take Klopp to build the Dortmund team? But then he didn't have spineless fans turn on him as soon as they possibly could there.....}

14 Sep 2017 12:56:27
IB, some of what you post may be true but the rest? No way. Ed is right as Klopp has tempered his "heavy metal" football to an extent. Check out the last 7 games of last season and the Arsenal game where we dropped into a 4-5-1 when Arsenal had the ball, to see why that is true. Also, it took Klopp FOUR seasons for that BVB team to be as lethal as it was and signed and sold a lot of players to get there. His tenure is still in it's beginning and he was given time to get where he got to so BUT with the type of fans we have, that ain't going to happen so that part of your post is just crazy and patently false.

Poch has his flaws too as Spurs were exposed by BVB last night and he is NOT a patch on Klopp. Why? He can't even get a point against him and Klopp is undefeated vs Poch, just like he is vs Wenger in the PL. It took a red card to help Pep beat Klopp. The grass is not always greener on the other side my friend.


13 Sep 2017 22:43:25
Klopp has been at the club for two seasons now. He should have been able to identify areas in our game that needed improvement. The problem was clear as day, the defence. Can you say the defence has, in any way, improved since Klopp joined the club!? No, I didn't think so.

Klopp has had two years to select players for his team and to remove the deadwood. Lovren is deadwood. How Klopp hasn't moved him on, I do not know. Klopp clearly sees a weakness in our defence, otherwise, why would he go for Van Dijk. He was unable to get the Southampton man and should have moved on to look for other players of equal quality. He didn't. He allowed Lovren to return to our starting 11. Now, in 7 matches we have conceded 13 goals. We are haemorrhaging goals at an alarming rate. The danger signs were there, for the last two seasons. And, Klopp has not dealt with the problem.

Klopp has brought in a number of players for his defence. Robertson, who has had one great game and then been allowed to just stagnate despite a hectic schedule. Matip, a player who seems afraid to get involved for fear of getting hurt, lacks conviction in his decision making, dallying and allowing players to run by him. Karius, a player Klopp believes has the skills to be our number one, gives the lad a run of games and then, at the first sign of dissent from the crowd, drops him for a player that was considered unsuitable.

Then you have Moreno, the man was with us all of last season but lost his place to James Milner. Milner is an absolute professional, but, he is no defender and Klopp decided to move a centre mid into the left back position for the majority of last season. Moreno barely got a game. Then, because of a few decent games in pre-season, which I consider inconsequential, Moreno was brought back to the starting 11. Despite being absent for an entire year. Moreno still makes the same mistakes but, I will admit, he is showing signs of improvement.

Klopp deserves to take some slack. Rodgers received a heap of it, making decision that we did not agree with, playing players out of position (Which Klopp has done more and to a worse extent) and we battered him. Why does Klopp get a reprieve? What has he actually done to deserve your allegiance?

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat, I will say this. I do not believe there is a better manager, available, that could do any better than Klopp. He is, in my opinion, the right man. However, Klopp needs help. Someone needs to talk with him and advise the need for additional coaches. Obviously, a defensive coach, someone who can instruct discipline and structure. Klopp won't like it, he is a stubborn man, but it is clearly needed. Klopp does not know how to set up a team evenly, he focuses on attack. The gap between our back four and midfield has been appalling since Klopp took over. If that was seen to, and our structure was better, I believe Klopp could take us quite far. However, he needs help. If he does not accept this help then I feel we will have a repetition of poor defensive perfomance undermining our brilliant attacking displays.

I hope I am wrong, and apologies for going to long, but this is a major issue that has been on my mind for so long. I love Liverpool but they are killing me every single week. Klopp needs to be held accountable for poor performance but, rather than simply criticise, why don't the club actually help the man. At least, that is my opinion.

Believable4 Unbelievable3

14 Sep 2017 01:03:42
Spot on. It is so disheartening to think of where we could be and achieve if we had even an average defense let alone a world class defense. To say there was NO ONE available that wasn't an improvement on what we have is laughable because nearly anyone would be. Let the youth play if nothing else! If we fail to make champions league next year for me klopp has to go. He will have had 5 transfer windows without improving the defense. He will be culpable and surely no one else can take the blame.


14 Sep 2017 03:11:37
Klopp won't accept any help. He is too stubborn and proud for that.
He has failed to grasp the fact that titles are won by having at a bare minimum a decent defence. If he feels there are very few defenders that can adapt to his ridiculous high press, then maybe he should change tactics a bit. A world class coach makes adjustments to suit the players at his disposal. At least that is what every LFC fan thought when Klopp made big promises to the owners when he got the job.
I am not frustrated with Klopp's impact so far, just disappointed. I expected better but another season of this ineptness and he might go down as the man who failed to live up to his billing as LFC manager more than Brendan himself.


{Ed001's Note - how do you know Klopp will not accept help? If he is too stubborn and proud, what do his assistants do then? Do you think they are just there to hold his coat while he does it all? This is just you having digs at Klopp now. Unfounded digs.}

14 Sep 2017 04:07:01
Hyypia may help, but Klopp won't add him, I guess.


{Ed001's Note - in what way would Hyypia help? He is a bit old to play and he showed in his stints in management no clue about coaching defences. Being a good defender does not make you a good defensive coach. The best defensive coach in recent years was George Graham but he played as an attacking midfielder.}

13 Sep 2017 23:23:24
Their second goal was a quick throw in that took out four of our players, nothing to do with coaching.


14 Sep 2017 00:03:52
Well said Mango. I think we all want klopp to succeed but regardless of how or why our defense just sucks. And we are correct to blame Klopp. I have some optimism with our young backs and even Moreno a tad but Lovren and Matio have regressed. We need to do something in the transfer market I am afraid as we have three guys who should be back ups at best and two of them are debatable whether they are even EPL quality at all.


14 Sep 2017 00:14:00
Jesus, I thought I wrote novels.
Technically Loop has only completed one full season.
Last season when we got CL.
I honestly still think he'll fix the defence by the end of next summer. It took him 2 summer windows to get out attack sorted. He has bought a great prospect in Kits for next year for midfield. Karius and Ward will fight for the keepers spot so that leaves the CB position.
It's not Football Manager on your laptop, it does take time to get in the right player. World class CBs are hard to find.


14 Sep 2017 13:02:59
Pls, people should stop projecting their opinions as facts as it is becoming pathetic. "Oh, Klopp is too stubborn" or "he won't take the help" "he's too proud" or blah, blah, blah. No one knows what is going on and no one knows if the help has been offered, if he asked for it or not. Your opinions are not facts so stop posting them as definitives. All we know is what Ed01 tells us and if you have info to prove him wrong, provide it. If you don't, then do us all a favor and stop projecting, and using it to take shots at the manager. It is cowardly and dishonest esp. if you have no clue what you are talking about.


13 Sep 2017 22:59:02
What was klopp playing at tonight. For that first goal.
First he doesn't tell Gomez to clear it, then failing that, he tells can to slow down and bottle a challenge in his favour!
If it couldn't get any worse, he proceeds to make matip go running into no mans land out on wing, whilst knowing full well lovren can't kick a simple ball by his feet!
And to top it off, klopp telepathically stops Moreno from marking the man that scores.
Forget that we've lost 2 games in the last 20 and forget tonight we had 19 attempts to their 4.
He got it all wrong when he told those players to do that. He needs to go.

Believable10 Unbelievable3

14 Sep 2017 00:36:29
Love sarcasm Benny!


14 Sep 2017 01:12:35
Unquestionably we dominated the game, and most fans are clearly fully behind Klopp.
But why are we still conceding goals so pathetically easily again? That's 13 in 7 games - pitiful.


14 Sep 2017 01:26:43
Love it Benny couldn't agree more with you pal, some fans are idiots.


14 Sep 2017 04:00:29
The defensive frailties with Liverpool are all but klopps problem because he hasn't been able to solve them.
It is all on klopp because it's his team. What he could buy or couldn't is all his fault.
Fans are likely to be upset because we should be winning cl games at Anfield.
We rue missed chances and bemoan defence every game, it's getting boring. klopp has to take responsibility to sort that defence out even if means 5 chances per match and Tony pulis football for few matches.
Just tighten things up.


13 Sep 2017 23:25:43
19 attempts scored 2.
4 attempts scored 2.
Am I missing something?


13 Sep 2017 23:42:29
Results matter, especially on the big occasion. You can win every game leading to a final, but lose the final and it makes all the previous results meaningless. We bottled it last season in Jan. We bottled Europa league final, we bottled league cup final. Should have kicked on this season, bottling it again. I like klopp, but great managers know there failings and address said failings. He's not. If your happy with playing attractive football but not getting results and not challenging then that's up to u. To me it's about winning, dirty, clean, attractive, boring, I don't care as long as there's points on the board and trophies in the cabinet.


13 Sep 2017 23:47:56
I can't believe Klopp told Firmino to miss that penalty, lunacy!


14 Sep 2017 13:06:07
Benny, Just Priceless. D1, if you wanna focus all your energy on what went wrong, you will also have something to whine about. If you wanna be positive, there is a lot to be positive about. Clearly, you have chosen to whine about the bad stuff so have at it. I will say that NOTHING is gained dwelling on one's failures.


14 Sep 2017 16:42:12
If mediocrity makes you happy then fine, maybe next game we'll have 78% possession and 25 attempts to 2 and lose 2-1 - what's your point really that we didn't lose a game at home we should have won comfortably?


14 Sep 2017 16:45:29
Klopp is the master at telepathy.


14 Sep 2017 16:46:48
ye benny, actually it pisses me off that klopp just stands on the sideline throwing his arms around doing nought to stop these goals going in.


13 Sep 2017 22:56:13
Anyone see didis comments on RTE tonight? Was very critical of the manager. He said he hasn't improved us and this team isn't going anywhere.

Believable2 Unbelievable4

{Ed002's Note - What a shock.}

14 Sep 2017 01:12:48
Well wasn't he right?


{Ed001's Note - no. He clearly wasn't. The front 3 were tearing them to shreds last night.}

14 Sep 2017 03:13:22
Agree with Ed002 and Didi Hammann. We cannot expect to win every game by scoring loads of goals. Its a concept alien to Klopp. So much hype, so less to show for that faith put put in him by the club.


{Ed001's Note - yawn. More whines.}

14 Sep 2017 03:24:21
What European competition us Didi's team playing in?

Seville played us off the pitch in the EL final not too long ago,

Tonight They've left Anfield knowing they got away with one,

First game over and No defeat,
It doesn't matter a toss that the other English clubs scored more,

All that counts is our group matches and negotiating a way through to the next stage,

Im more confident now of us topping the group as we can outscore Seville home or away

The route to Istanbul wasn't looking great for much of the way either.

Get behind Klopp and the team as its as it is till January at least.


13 Sep 2017 23:39:17
Klopp hasn't improved our defence but he has improved us no end going forward. Three inches from being 4 2 tonight and should have had penalty for challenge on mane. Kinda night I wish we had skrtel and agger.


14 Sep 2017 00:17:04
Didi hasn't exactly become a great coach himself. He's better off heading back to the bookies than commenting on Klopp's failings.


14 Sep 2017 00:17:52
Absolute bull of course we have improved.


14 Sep 2017 13:11:01
Don't be fooled, people. These losers only come out in the media to say Klopp has not improved us and compare him to BR using pathetic statistics that no one with two brain cells to rub together, cares about. They do this as soon as we have a bad result just to heap pressure on Klopp and on LFC. They did that thru out last season cos many of them are still sore that BR got the boot and still can't get over it.

Klopp has improved us massively overall from the dross BR left behind so that much is clear. N BTW, how's BR doing in the PL? Oh that's right. He's still getting his arse handed to him on a plate, conceding cricket scores to Barcelona and PSG.


14 Sep 2017 17:10:52
If he compromises on quality then we end up with a team of Lovrens,
Like Rodgers did.

We have a manager who is strong enough to tell the club what he wants, who stays and who goes.

If all our transfer targets came off we would be praising Klopp.

They didn't come off, the club has to be responsible for the methods employed in procurement. but the quality was targeted but unfortunately not delivered. Yet.


13 Sep 2017 22:43:25
Klopp has been at the club for two seasons now. He should have been able to identify areas in our game that needed improvement. The problem was clear as day, the defence. Can you say the defence has, in any way, improved since Klopp joined the club!? No, I didn't think so.

Klopp has had two years to select players for his team and to remove the deadwood. Lovren is deadwood. How Klopp hasn't moved him on, I do not know. Klopp clearly sees a weakness in our defence, otherwise, why would he go for Van Dijk. He was unable to get the Southampton man and should have moved on to look for other players of equal quality. He didn't. He allowed Lovren to return to our starting 11. Now, in 7 matches we have conceded 13 goals. We are haemorrhaging goals at an alarming rate. The danger signs were there, for the last two seasons. And, Klopp has not dealt with the problem.

Klopp has brought in a number of players for his defence. Robertson, who has had one great game and then been allowed to just stagnate despite a hectic schedule. Matip, a player who seems afraid to get involved for fear of getting hurt, lacks conviction in his decision making, dallying and allowing players to run by him. Karius, a player Klopp believes has the skills to be our number one, gives the lad a run of games and then, at the first sign of dissent from the crowd, drops him for a player that was considered unsuitable.

Then you have Moreno, the man was with us all of last season but lost his place to James Milner. Milner is an absolute professional, but, he is no defender and Klopp decided to move a centre mid into the left back position for the majority of last season. Moreno barely got a game. Then, because of a few decent games in pre-season, which I consider inconsequential, Moreno was brought back to the starting 11. Despite being absent for an entire year. Moreno still makes the same mistakes but, I will admit, he is showing signs of improvement.

Klopp deserves to take some slack. Rodgers received a heap of it, making decision that we did not agree with, playing players out of position (Which Klopp has done more and to a worse extent) and we battered him. Why does Klopp get a reprieve? What has he actually done to deserve your allegiance?

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat, I will say this. I do not believe there is a better manager, available, that could do any better than Klopp. He is, in my opinion, the right man. However, Klopp needs help. Someone needs to talk with him and advise the need for additional coaches. Obviously, a defensive coach, someone who can instruct discipline and structure. Klopp won't like it, he is a stubborn man, but it is clearly needed. Klopp does not know how to set up a team evenly, he focuses on attack. The gap between our back four and midfield has been appalling since Klopp took over. If that was seen to, and our structure was better, I believe Klopp could take us quite far. However, he needs help. If he does not accept this help then I feel we will have a repetition of poor defensive perfomance undermining our brilliant attacking displays.

I hope I am wrong, and apologies for going to long, but this is a major issue that has been on my mind for so long. I love Liverpool but they are killing me every single week. Klopp needs to be held accountable for poor performance but, rather than simply criticise, why don't the club actually help the man. At least, that is my opinion.

Believable1 Unbelievable3

13 Sep 2017 22:38:52
Question for you lads, as a united fan looking from the outside in. Apparently Klopp knows your defence is pony, correct? If so two things, why in 3 or 4 windows has he not made reinforcements? Firstly, We know he wanted VVD but was told he wasn't for sale. Why weren't others targeted instead? Secondly, if he's aware the defence is crap, and ta obvious these individual error will keep occurring as they have been for a long long time, why doesn't he alter the team set up to give the back four more protection? If he's fully aware of the issues at the back, why not tweak the system to try and give some cover for the poor players behind.

Believable4 Unbelievable2

13 Sep 2017 22:56:45
We have no idea we look enviously at other clubs - would bite my arm of for a bailly - spurs have Alderwereild, dier and now Sanchez looks decent - koscielny is decent - I just can't help thinking if we didn't get vvd we could have just tried for a up and comer - give them a go!


13 Sep 2017 22:58:19
Rtfp lol.


13 Sep 2017 23:00:15
preaching to the choir.


13 Sep 2017 23:00:45
He obviously believes in his philosophy.

Rightly or wrongly it sometimes takes lows before highs.

De vrij and van dijk next year for me lol.


13 Sep 2017 23:02:48
Can't give protection to errors. It's simply something you can't anticipate.
He should of got better players in, but at the same time, he knows the players are better than this.
Many a game lovren has put the leagues best CFs in his pocket. Mignolet played out of his skin for the last 5 games of the season.
His patience with them is wearing thin I can assure you stand. A brutal January wouldn't surprise me.


13 Sep 2017 23:05:04
1) not sure. He thinks the whole team should defend.
2) he has made reinforcements. (Matip, Klavan, Robertson)
3) Maybe he can't identify any alternatives with the skill set he wants, it's not that easy to find players like that who want to join LFC
4) Multi-million pound question: I can only assume he's trying to tweak the system but the tweaks aren't taking effect.


14 Sep 2017 00:33:37
He has made reinforcements but has also stated that a team can be improved by more than just signing better/ different players. We definitely need a leader at back. Someone who defends for their life like carra did. throwing themselves in front of everything, hard tackling, stretching every inch to intercept balls. Players who might give away the odd pen, or stick one in their own net on rare occasions but all because of heart and effort.


14 Sep 2017 03:16:55
Ron Keague,
1) Klopp is mistaken if every player should be defending. Its not always about pressing and running around, sometimes tactical smartness is needed to lessen the effort required.

2) The reinforcements are Sunderland quality rather than LFC quality.

3) Maybe he should alter his philosophy so a larger pool of defenders can be targeted that can mesh well into our team. No need to be so stubborn and particular about signings.

4) Klopp needs help with his "tweaking" coz the only thing he is doing right now is taking the team backwards.


{Ed001's Note - what is wrong with you? The fans are the Sunderland quality at LFC right now. With fans like you, who needs opponents?}

14 Sep 2017 03:31:23
Can we borrow a few of the busses Jose uses to tweak his defences?

I hope the team qualifies for the next few rounds and we get to meet Utd etc, we'll soon see then which manager would be tweaking and twerking.

Get behind the team,


13 Sep 2017 23:19:49
You can't have it both ways though stand. I think the midfield do offer protection, especially Hendo and Can. They don't stay back permanently but then if they did Hendo would not have been there to set moreno up for the cross over the six yard box that Bobby firmino tucked in.

I thought we were great in the first half going forward and we should have beenough 4 1 out of sight by half time. We were three or four inches away from being 4 1 up at half time.

The defence were so bad it's embarrassing. Moreno was easily the best of the four even covering at RB at times! He was unreal going forwards but the lad ain't a great defender. I honestly think he could be a winger. Coz he is good further up. You can point to moreno not getting goal side for their first but any defender would've believed lovren was going to clear no problem. In a way I feel for them (matip and especially lovren) they come under such criticism due to our attacking style and their own mistakes and you can see there is zero confidence back there and then lovren goes and let's the ball somehow get past him and the fans criticise even more and the confidence is even lower. The thing is they deserve the criticism. Liverpool fans are not unforgiving. Two minutes after firminio hit the post 45.000 fans were singing "Bobby Firmino"

There are positives to take from the game. Like I say could easily have been the 5 1 I predicted. Should of at least been 3 1, 3 2 but cela vie, it's not a loss and the other two teams drew so it's still all level. Plus pc sturridge and AOC is some bench and I think we were the better side easily although I was impressed with seville's patience, they didn't panic and stuck to their game plan and got something from the game.

We can't do anything about our defence until January so there is no point cling for players to be dropped. Klavan last week and gomez matip and lovren were all crap, they're suffering a real crisis of confidence at the back atm. If fans want lfc to achieve anything this year then constantly bashing our defenders isn't going to help. Dispassionate like that though, the defence are not helping themselves. They deserve criticism yes but constant bashing will harm our chances this year. Just my thought. I'm not too gutted about the result.


13 Sep 2017 23:36:11
I understand there might not be many cbs with the skill set klopp wants but there must be hundreds of cbs who would have improved us who would love to play for liverpool.


{Ed001's Note - like who? I watch thousands of games of football a season and I was struggling to come up with names. If it was that simple Citeh would not have decided to go for Evans as a stop gap. That is all Pep wanted him for while he searched for an actual long term answer. There just isn't the quality right now and every team is chasing any one that appears. The issue is that Klopp messed up with the one he did want.}

14 Sep 2017 00:06:25
Think he's only spent about 5 million on CBs since getting the Liverpool job. Can't understand it.


14 Sep 2017 09:23:39
Lfcder,

We're the top scorers in the league, conceded the fewest, just scored 3 in our CL games. Call it what you want, Jose already has two trophies under his belt in 12 months. You okay brilliant attacking football, but so have Arsenal your years. Let's see how many trophies Klopp gets you before he's sacked or leaves.


14 Sep 2017 11:03:36
Jose can hand pick 3 or 4 top players each window, but at the end of the day he still relies on the likes of Felani who suits his parked bus-battering ram approach to football,
Take Degea out of their team and your left with the same defensive failings as we have.

Klopp and the club went about business half arsed in the summer, targeting top players for the positions where we are weak.

Them players were not available because they are off the quality needed to improve any squad.


14 Sep 2017 13:22:41
Stand, would one of the trophies happen to be the league Cup where the ref helped you out by disallowing a perfectly good gal and here the Saints played your lot off the park? Also would the other trophy be the same one your lost slated us for winning in 2001 and the one your own managers (Fergie and Mou) called 3rd rate and would be ashamed to be in not less win? You mean those two trophies? Ok, got it. Your manager is simply a Tony Pulis with money. Any team that relies on Fellaini is useless. It took a Stoke team with half the talent of LFC's attack to expose your lot for the bus parkers that you are. Stoke could have scored 4 in that game so you have no credibility to talk about defensive footie being good at Utd. Your manager plays a defensive system for that very reason: Your defence is crap and if Jones is the best defender in England then sorry, England has no defenders.


14 Sep 2017 13:55:59
Trophies are trophies bingo. Your talking bollocks mate. You were all gutted you lost to Sevilla in the final. Jose would prefer to compete in the CL, but where we finished the season before he arrived is no fault of his is it. We have no credibility yet we conceded probably less than only 1 or 2 teams last season. This season we've conceded 2 in 4 games yet we have no credibility. Why be so bitter? You just compared Jose to pulls. So if pulls had money he would win multiple leagues in mulptile contries, and win multiple European cups? What a pathetic post.


14 Sep 2017 15:38:28
There wasn’t many, if any CBs who where available who would fit our high line, and it seems every game he is changing the back 4. Unfortunately he won’t change anything else much in the system because he is all about attack and when it is working it is 1 hell of a joy to watch.


14 Sep 2017 15:42:58
All good points SU, given our CB's are hapless and full backs are all better suited to wing backs why we don't play 3 at the back is beyond me.


14 Sep 2017 17:03:00
Thanks Bingo,
Well said.


13 Sep 2017 22:35:14
It's like we have to beat the opposition and ourselves. Why is our defence so bad at everything, marking, heading, kicking, positional awareness. It's getting embarrassing. Moreno apart from the assist, again kept getting caught too high, up the back of players, silly fouls, every game he does this. people rave about him cos he's better than last season, not hard tho really. How's Robertson worse than that. Matip and lovren look like they've never played together, every game. Yet they are our best options cos klavens awful. Can blame klopp and coaches for some of it, but unless there coaching the defence to make bad decisions, fluff kicks and headers, fall over, dive in, give silly fouls, then some of the blame has to be on the players. they're not good enough. Klopp can however be blamed for not addressing the issues that every fan, pundit, and anybody with an ounce of football knowledge can see. And also for putting all his eggs in the vvd basket, why not have a second and third choice? Bad preperation. We should have been looking at two CB coming in anyway, cos everyone knew last season klaven and lovren weren't good enough. Wonder how long it's going to take teams to figure out that mane and Salah like to come inside, only took Sevilla 10 mins tonight to figure that out. Yet we persisted. No plan b again.

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13 Sep 2017 23:27:42
I thought moreno attacking play warranted his poor defencive play. I know first and foremost he is a defender but he was brilliant going forward. He did make some good challenges, got stuck in on that defender who kept fouling mane, covered at RB and won the ball, won a lot of interceptions. Yeah he missed with a wild challenge and didn't get goal side for their first goal (lovren had it easily covered though, or so we all thought, as did moreno no doubt. ) He still should have got goal side but he has attack on the brain. I think he could play winger. It wasn't moreno fault that the defence collapsed. He wasn't at fault for either of then, the cbs were. If matip and lovren had of done their job and liverpool win 2 0 I believe people would be praising moreno's performance.


13 Sep 2017 22:22:48
A better keeper or VVD in the side can't explain why Moreno would not get goal side of their only striker in the box. he just doesn't understand.

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13 Sep 2017 22:35:16
It's school boy stuff! He hasn't the defending brain great in attack but lacks the simple defending stuff.


13 Sep 2017 22:38:11
Moreno is convinced he is a striker himself sometimes that’s why haha.


13 Sep 2017 22:43:37
Tbf, if I'm Moreno, I'm expecting my professional footballing team mate on 100k a week to not miss the ball. Sorry state of affairs when Moreno is our best defender at the club.


13 Sep 2017 22:44:22
Keeper made no difference tonight. He had sod all to do apart from pick the ball out of the net on two goals he could do nothing about, and distribute the ball. And he distributed the ball well.

I'm not sure about van Dijk as an all encompassing solution. He's undoubtedly a better defender than what we have currently, but we need a leader as well as a good player, someone who can marshall and organise the defence. I'm not sure if that's what he is. I'd say we'd need van Dijk and another center back.

As for "why Moreno would not get goal side" it's because he's not a defender. He's a winger that moved to fullback because he wasn't a good enough winger. We need to stop using him.


13 Sep 2017 22:57:17
He doesn't have the right mindset to be a defender.


14 Sep 2017 00:23:00
In fact if lovren wasn't anywhere near the cross I bet moreno would have been getting goal side of his man then. So you could argue we would have been better off if lovren wasn't on the pitch for their first goal. Moreno bashing has become a new pass time for some. He had a good game. Maybe man of the match if you take the two reckless challenges out.


14 Sep 2017 03:50:58
I more wonder where exactly Matip was? Gomez tried to block the cross, Lovren fluffed the clearance, it goes by Can quickly, and Moreno is wrong side of the goal scorer. So Lovren rightfully takes a bit of stick here, but where is his partner? Nowhere to be seen.


{Ed001's Note - he was busy watching and pointing where Gomez should be, completely out of position and helping no one but leaving Gomez to deal with two Sevilla players on his own.}

14 Sep 2017 00:17:19
Wasn't moreno's fault, he had a good game. Lovren has to get there. He did get there but missed it awful. He does his job and moreno doesn't come into it. Apart from the wild challenge that could of seen him sent off I thought he was great tonight. The cbs were just awful.


13 Sep 2017 22:22:36
Klopp has just said ''we defended well apart from the two goals''

Rodgers would have been slaughtered for such a stupid comment.

Fundamental, basic errors continuing at the back, and insufficient protection for the central defenders from midfield point to a wasted season.

We need a defensive coach, not a Klopp insider, but someone who knows the PL.

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13 Sep 2017 22:46:04
The midfield don't help enough they create enough but are far too porous, I'm still at a loss as to what Henderson does, Coutinho should start in the middle with can and wiji. The defence need organising I don't think it's just their ability it's the lack of organisation. Is firmino a known penalty taker or just he best we have?


13 Sep 2017 22:42:33
How would a coach stop basic and fundamental errors? Defenders are simply not good enough with all the brain farts. Klopp was right, we defended well apart from the two goals. He's 100% correct.
If one in the back like switches off they all crumble and make mistakes. That's what happened twice.


{Ed002's Note - If he didn't keep switching things around they could play better together.}

13 Sep 2017 22:42:33
How would a coach stop basic and fundamental errors? Defenders are simply not good enough with all the brain farts. Klopp was right, we defended well apart from the two goals. He's 100% correct.
If one in the back like switches off they all crumble and make mistakes. That's what happened twice.


{Ed002's Note - Stop switching the defence around. Low-level error.}

14 Sep 2017 03:20:31
TBH Ed002, Klopp will get lambasted if he persists with the current defenders for multiple games coz they make so may individual errors game after game. It will stink of favoritism and the pressure will become insurmountable from the fans and the press. We are already seen Matip strolling around when he is supposed to be defending so that already shows Klopp let's mistakes pass by without holding players responsible for lack of concentration and laziness.
The GK situation is a disastrous mess and its time to keep Karius in goal as Migs is not LFC material.


14 Sep 2017 16:44:42
Buy better players or change the system to cater for weakness and protect vulnerable areas. oh and totally agree with Ed stop playing dip, dip, dip with the goalkeeper and defenders every week.


13 Sep 2017 22:15:42
So called fans calling for Klopps head after a dodgy week give ya heads a wobble. He can only train/ advise the players but it's up to the players to perform. Lovren failing to cut out a simple ball/ players switching off during a throw in are out of his control. Other than replacing certain players ( which he tried to do and failed. ) he's screwed. We all know where our problems lie but can anyone suggest who he could of signed to improve us. For some reason quality centre backs with leadership qualities are in very short supply at the moment. Although I'm pretty sure my nans got a better attention span than Lovren and Matip and she's dead.

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13 Sep 2017 22:31:33
Time and time again we lack leaders, organisers players who are managers on the field and do the dirty work.
They don't cost hundreds of millions they are just a unit in the middle a cog in a machine and we don't have any.


13 Sep 2017 22:34:05
He messed up the transfers and continues to get the team selection and formation wrong
Aldervield would have been a perfect alternative to VVD

We have multiple centre backs that can't play in flat 4 and all our full backs are more like wing backs. remind me again who else should be blamed - oh and our 2 main keepers are useless

Do we need another 5 transfer windows to sort it out? Mourinho addressed his squad weaknesses in 2 transfer windows, crap to watch they may be but I'd rather be a winner than an entertaining loser.


14 Sep 2017 00:37:52
Aldervield? On what planet do you think we have any chance of signing a top defender from one of our main rivals who are well known as difficult to deal with.


14 Sep 2017 01:54:51
Clee Red couldn't agree more regarding leadership. Problem is Rodgers removed all the leaders cause they questioned his authority. Henderson doesn't inspire the lads the way Gerrard and Carra did. Even without them two we had Reina Agger Skertel Among others who would fight for the shirt. We haven't got that at the minute and we won't get that by signing someone cause the new boy is never gona be the boss. You need a seige mentality us against the world but until the lads have someone they'll follow to hell and back I'm afraid we'll fall short again and again.


14 Sep 2017 03:34:49
Lovren must have a love tape of Klopp, why else would you give him a new deal?


{Ed001's Note - because we couldn't get a replacement.}

14 Sep 2017 17:34:05
KShop on the planet where he is refusing to sign a new deal, AOC ring any bells?


13 Sep 2017 22:05:57
Not the result we wanted but not the end of the world.

We will be fine and we will get through the group,

Defense has to be improved and I am sure it will be. We all know we are looking to bring in VVD.

Would not surprise me if we also bring in another defender and keeper.

Klopp will get it sorted.

Th n when Keita comes just watch us go.

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13 Sep 2017 22:21:47
Don't think a keeper is high on the list, two cb's for me.


13 Sep 2017 22:31:46
We need to play Gomez at CB for a while then go out and get two in Jan to replace Lovren and Klavan. Klavan is actually OK IMO against sides with no pace but we can play a high line with him.


13 Sep 2017 22:29:48
It's only the first game so not too bothered HOWEVER, this is the first time under Klopp that lour finishing was rank awful. We should have been 4-1 up at least at half time BUT we kept screwing up. I hope our boys learnt a lesson today that no matter how good you are, if you fail like we did today, to take your chances, the other team will take theirs and you'll get punished.


14 Sep 2017 15:15:42
Klopp will sort what out? Pls don't raise your hopes. He has had almost 4 transfer seasons to do that but has not been able to do anything about it. It should tell you that we have a coach who doesn't see what we see. My problem is that what we see is to glaring so for him not to see means that the guy is not a decent coach but overhyped coach. We made a big mistake going for him! Sad indeed.


13 Sep 2017 22:05:42
Ed01 please mate have u or can u give us some insight what the hell is going on with the defence! Is it klopp is too stubborn or what! Simple bread and butter stuff and we are making a meal of it! We can all see what needs to be done why can't the coaches?

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{Ed001's Note - why bother? I have said time and time again and no one bothers to listen because they just want to whine. I can't be arsed to waste my time with it any more.}

13 Sep 2017 22:24:24
It's a team failing lack of drills lack of focus.
We play heavy metal bomb forward and high line.

To improve would require a change in how klopp plays maybe, his philosophy, takes a brave man yo admit he's wrong and change but it takes a braver man to stick and persist only time will tell what's right.

Buying a cb doesn't change the problems imo.


13 Sep 2017 22:21:10
Just soothe my mind ed plz! I've a 7 year old who can even see Moreno for the 1st goal is on his toes to run away from
The box instead of defending! I was battered for that carry on in Sunday league! It's school boy stuff some of it!


{Ed001's Note - the problem is not that though is it. On the 1st goal Moreno sees Lovren standing yards away from anyone, the ball dribbling along to him at a nice height and pace for him to control it, then turn and pick a pass. So Moreno does what 99% of people would do and assumes he will do so and gets ready to receive the pass. Instead Lovren gets out of the way of the ball, which would have hit him otherwise and Moreno is left stranded. It is the silly individual errors that are the problem. The only thing the coaches can do, as they have tried numerous solutions now, is to just drill the players more. Even that cannot stop an individual error in a basic technique like Lovren's. Over his lifetime he would have drilled a basic control technique thousands, probably even millions of times, yet he still panics and fluffs it.}

13 Sep 2017 22:32:59
According to edoo1 mate, it's the players inability to reproduce what they achieve in training on match days. They apparently loose there heads in competetive games.

Hope that helps x.


13 Sep 2017 22:41:22
I listen Ed, I got your back.


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

13 Sep 2017 22:52:21
Well said ed01 why should you bother a mean a go to most games and the banter is good very rearly you here the type of whinging that yous get asked day in day out. A feel for yous a really do.


{Ed001's Note - it really does get to the point where you just don't want to even bother editing this site. The knee jerk reaction is higher than on any other site.}

14 Sep 2017 06:01:38
There are lots of people here who appreciate the work you do here Ed001, sorry if it doesn't seem that way at times.

I stayed up until around 6am watching the game, maybe I'm regret that decision a bit today and it would have been nice to get a win but a draw is not a terrible result at all.


{Ed001's Note - cheers ss7, I understand that, I only get a few hours kip at night so I can be up to edit the sites in the morning, so I understand how difficult it is to keep staying up to watch them. I just wish people would stop with the knee jerk reactions and actually stop and think. It doesn't help that the media are in a feeding frenzy about everything football related. When I was young, no one even bothered with a league table until 10 games in, then it dropped to 6, now it is there from the moment the first game kicks off! People start making judgements based on one game, when they should be looking at it longer term. One defeat in ten games is a good record, but people here will ignore the 9 other matches and just scream about the one defeat! It is tiring.}

13 Sep 2017 22:10:28
The fact that klopp thinks our defence ( if you can call it a defence) is good enough to compete in all competitions is worrying to say the least. Lovren would struggle in the championship.

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13 Sep 2017 22:16:22
I think he's aware.

It's scary that nothing is being done.

Managers go into teams and improve these issues without buying. Pulis fat sam etc.

The problem is do we shut up shop and play terrible football or play heavy metal exciting football but suffer these type of failings.


13 Sep 2017 22:26:09
What makes you think he thinks it is good enough? When was the last time he used a consistent back 4?
Don’t bring up the Transfer window because it has been done to death that there is a real shortage of CBs who would fit our high line who would actually be available for us to buy without paying majorly over the odds like we we’re nearly doing with VVD.


13 Sep 2017 22:43:31
If he didn't think it was good enough he just had 2 months to sort it out. The fact that it was vvd or no one is ridiculous.


13 Sep 2017 22:31:34
Ed01 has said repeatedly that he wants to replace the whole crew of CB's BUT you simply can't do that in one window which is why he wanted VVD t all costs BUT he has himself to blame for that not happening as well.


14 Sep 2017 00:46:01
The fact everyone is getting on klopps back after 2 games that could have easily went very differently. If we'd won 3 - 2 tonight and the defence did the exact same errors very little would have been made of them. The defence and teams defending needs to improve. It really shouldn't be that difficult the players are capable of much better. Moreno and and loved are clearly not world class but there are worse players in other teams who are part of a much better defensive unit. Lovren would probably walk into a lot of the league teams and be brilliant but he doesn't seem to be able to cope with Liverpool or how klopp plays.


13 Sep 2017 22:09:58
Hate to admit but I would love Lucas back now. A better defender, a better leader and the only DM.

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13 Sep 2017 22:12:20
Congratulations for finally realising what anyone else with a pair of eyes knew last season.

At this stage, he'd be our best center back, let alone DM.


13 Sep 2017 22:28:06
Lucas was always going to be missed.


14 Sep 2017 15:23:45
Harry after a DM. Shocking.


13 Sep 2017 22:00:11
Anyone have any insight into Melwood etc with regards to Klopp and the defence?

Does he think our defenders are good enough?

Does the defence get coached at all?

What the hell is wrong with Lovren? He is so bad, I think I would rather have Skrtel back :- (

The defence should be the platform of the team, yet the attack are constantly having to bail them out. It breads a lack of confidence, anxiety and frustration.

We give the opposition easy chances to score all the damn time, even when we are on top and/ or the other team are playing crap.

I'm sick of this every bloody game!

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13 Sep 2017 22:08:45
We practice running really fast whilst defense plays connect four and read Harry potter books.


13 Sep 2017 22:06:51
We might need to score 4 every game!


13 Sep 2017 22:12:21
Lovren has not become poor all of a sudden. He has been crap from years but Klopp love him and dropping him for Klavan is even worse!


13 Sep 2017 22:13:34
The whole team needs to be the platform, not only the defenders. Especially with the way we play and the way we want to press - the whole team needs to work hard to keep the opposition off the ball, including the attackers.

With that said, I'm gutted with the easy chances Seville were offered today.


13 Sep 2017 22:34:21
Red Flagon, all we asked Lovren to do was clear the ball and he managed to even screw that up. It does not matter with the style of play as that was not the issue today. The issue was that Lovren royally screwed up and so did our attack cos we should have been 4-1 up by half time. That is the problem. The guy is uniquely gifted at panicking at every turn even in situations where there is no danger.


13 Sep 2017 23:13:18
Exactly my point Bingo. Defence should have done better and the same goes for our attackers. The whole team is the platform.

Lovren should have cleared that ball, no denying that. Bobby should have scored that penalty, no denying that. The whole team should have done better today.

I won't go further into discussing our defenders, been doing it all day.


13 Sep 2017 21:59:39
I'm not slating hendo in this so don't get me wrong - I think he's good at a long of things, he's fit strong good on the ball, good passing range and a good tackler - I just think he tries to do too much. If we had an enforcer, someone who doesn't get involved in the attack, and just breaks up play, covers gaps, and just wins the ball and gives it to the ball players. Hendo can play beside him, with coutinho or can etc.
The defence is bad yes, but too often are they exposed. We don't struggle with goals and we won't need to change our style, just one sitting and sweeping up danger. I just feel hendo is trying to be a ball player, a dm, the pivot and it's just too much!

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13 Sep 2017 22:07:02
I won't slate Hendo then you do?


13 Sep 2017 22:08:11
I think the page unanimously agrees we do not need a DM. Why Henderson alongside a DM? It could be Can or Eiji alongside a DM?


13 Sep 2017 22:08:26
Can should play deep and Hendo or Gini in the box to box role next to Coutinho like 2013/ 2014.


13 Sep 2017 22:17:10
SG

You kidding right? His biggest drawback is his positioning.


13 Sep 2017 22:19:52
Agreed. I'm a big fan of Henderson. The only issue I have with him is that he doesn't have one particular thing he's exceptional at (maybe apart from his working rate which is why I love him) . He's decent in almost every aspect, but whenever he takes a shot at goal or tries a deep ball or a volley he fails.

He needs to keep it way simpler, maybe focus more on his defensive abilities, cause that's where he's definitely strongest.


13 Sep 2017 22:26:44
All I said negatively is he tries to do much - he is a good player he has lots of assets. Can is not a defensive mid either we need a Kante matic type player - of course who doesn't - but us more than most.
We play three miss - a dm then two of hendo can lallana when fit, gini coutinho besides them!


13 Sep 2017 22:28:35
SGRed Can is better slightly more forward instead of deep.


13 Sep 2017 21:56:22
So much for Coutinho refusing to play in the Champions League then.

(Just wanted to change from "defence is toilet" and "Klopp out")

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13 Sep 2017 22:03:20
Two things 1 rafa sold are soul at half time in Istanbul, we are forever cursed lol.

2 van dijk doesn't sort the defence out, it's a whole unit the set up and how we play.
I'm not qualified to say but maybe change of formation to protect the backline, drills drills and more drills for defending.

Can't understand how so far two managers fail to adapt and change to build a solid defensive unit and improve. Hopefully this is the final straw and changes are made to improve on the constant failings.


13 Sep 2017 22:20:34
We will concede more that some but can dijk is better than our other cbs put together and will not make as many mistakes as the others.


13 Sep 2017 22:38:19
The defence was not the real problem today bar the Lovren brainfart. Karius had NO saves to make, Seville had only 4 shots on goal and 2 on target so the defence globally was not that bad. The issue is that the attack did not do it's job. We should have been 4-1 up at half time YET we screwed it all up, even missing a penalty. That is unforgivable at this level of footie and if you let a team like Seville of the hook as much as we did, they will punish you. As much as Lovren screwed up, we should not give the attack a pass as they messed up even more.


13 Sep 2017 23:09:11
How hard would it be to get all our great attackers on one side and the defence on the other and run some drills. Defending corners, positioning etc surly it can't hurt. Simple stuff every time seems to catch is out. So frustrating 😖.


13 Sep 2017 21:52:32
No good for my stress levels watching liverpool at mo.

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13 Sep 2017 21:50:53
What the hell happened in the second half?

We could have been 3/ 4 up at half time, but looked shocking in the second half. Seville must really be Klopp's bogey team.

We just couldn't get the ball off them for long periods of the second half, and it was an absolute given that they would equalize.

We gave away our normal average of 2 goals per game.

I do worry now before any game no matter who we play. Burnley on Saturday and who really thinks we will come out with 3 points.

I must say Klopp didn't look like he knew what to do once they had equalized.

So we are the only English team to not win their first group match.

I am very disappointed with the result to night.

In the end they deserved their point.

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13 Sep 2017 22:00:55
To me it looked like it always does when things don't go to plan. We panic big time and the football brain goes out of the window. One of my biggest gripes is the time it takes Klopp to make substitutions. What did he really think Sturridge could do in 8 mins, and Ox with 3 mins on the pitch. I am sorry to say this, but he is not the manager I thought he was going to be.


13 Sep 2017 22:06:54
At 2-1 up we should have managed the game much better.
You can't go gung ho all the time, especially with our defence.
Still think we'll win the group though .


13 Sep 2017 22:42:11
Spot on, OP. Liver, there was NO way of managing that game nbetter with a team like Seville. They are very experienced and knew that provided we kept missing chances and there was only one goal in it, they would get their oppos. Had we dropped deep by the 70th minute, they would have come on to us and since we are crap under pressure, the goal would have come either way as they were passing out of our press several times.

In the CL when you have a team like Seville on the rack, you destroy them and we should have been 4-1 up at half time, Lovren error or not. That was not the case. There is where we screwed up.


14 Sep 2017 15:12:00
Certainly not the manager we all thought. Overhyped and average manager. Not the standard Liverpool aspire! 18 months and we still continue to complain about the same things. Klopp is just an arrogant and overhyped coach!


13 Sep 2017 21:48:54
Confidence is going with klopp! That defence is the worst I've ever seen it's criminal klopp didn't fix it 3 shots on goal and they scored twice! It's getting hard to stomach! U can't build a team from the front! Nobody can be happy with that result!

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13 Sep 2017 21:53:31
You are right. Klopp is one overhyped coach. It's was clear today that the guy tacticsl accumen is questionable. The substitution should have been done long time ago. Klopp is seriously overhyped and we have to start getting that now!


13 Sep 2017 21:54:47
Hear hear. awful.


13 Sep 2017 22:03:55
Going forward we are champs league. . defending we are Sunday league .


13 Sep 2017 22:04:32
Thin margins though, the penalty goes in and we win the game. Some of the football played especially first half was fantastic to watch. Thought karius was good with his quick throws.


13 Sep 2017 21:48:15
Well, I don't know where to start with that one.
Awful start.
Good character to come back but again there's like a mental block with our team as to how to close out a match.
It happens too often to be just bad luck.
We should be winning our home matches, Sevilla aren't bad but we should be beating them at home - simples.
Gomez sent off, Moreno could have gone too.
Yet again our defence shows themselves to be nowhere near good enough.
If we can somehow scrape out of this group in the top two and Klopp doesn't buy a centre back or two in January (assuming he's still at Liverpool), I'll give up on the guy myself.
We have the money, so fix the problem - it's not rocket science.
Koulibaly would be my choice if Van Dijk is not attainable, we'd try to get both in a perfect scenario.

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13 Sep 2017 22:46:44
OIrish, why is he going to get the sack? Cos we drew a game vs Seville? Had we scored our chances would we be having this conversation? Let's not overreact here and YES, I'm frustrated like everyone else. Btw, no one will sell you their top CB like Napoli's Khoulibaly in Jan so that won't happen. Apart from that, I really don't know cos our CB''s in this case Lovren, can't even do the simplest of things.


14 Sep 2017 00:31:45
Never mentioned him being sacked?
I said "assuming he's still at Liverpool" at the start of next season.
Napoli lost tonight, if they go out of the CL they might well cash in come January.
I still want Klopp with us but he needs to seriously wake up now.
The whole defence is shambolic.
Needs some serious fixing and quickly.


13 Sep 2017 21:47:21
nevermind 1, we need 2 defenders in january. lovren and klavan should be sold and matip should be third choice, as he thinks he's too good to be dropped now as all our defenders our crap.

gomez is not good enough and its a shame he's ahead of flanagan, rotate milner and arnold in the rightback spot instead.

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13 Sep 2017 21:54:21
Gomez is young coming back from a severe injury problem, playing out of position. Try and take deep breaths before you rage, or do they not tell you that in therapy?

It wasn't a good result but the blame is on no one but the manager at this point. Much as I love the guy, he's just not delivering.


{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what the guy even saw, Gomez had a decent game.}

13 Sep 2017 21:58:51
Agree with your comment on current CBs but you're wrong about Gomez. I would be playing him at CB personally and the Milner/ TAA at RB, Robertson LB.


13 Sep 2017 21:59:41
no i will blame the individual mistakes made by players, sure its klopps fault for thinking they were good enough.


13 Sep 2017 22:00:50
He's seeing red ed, and not the good kind lol. Thought Moreno and Gomez were both decent. Moreno especially would have had a very good game if not for his one or two . outbursts.

What do you make of that game, and out manager ed?


{Ed001's Note - we should have put it to bed in the first half really, however once we got into the second half the lack of decisiveness amongst the players was what cost us. They got caught between two stools and ended up doing neither all out attack or sitting back and holding on. Looked to me like a real lack of confidence amongst the players, no wonder after the weekend.

The manager is not perfect, but we are not Man City, we just can't go out and spend more money than everyone else to get it right, so we are always going to have issues somewhere in the team.}

13 Sep 2017 22:10:36
maybe gomez would be an improvement on our centerbacks. it wouldn't exactly be hard. with the style of play liverpool use, they need players who rarely make mistakes and i don't even think gomez would be a solution for our centerback problems but who knows.


13 Sep 2017 22:08:30
Gomez had a decent game, he is young, he should be allowed to make mistakes and figure out things as he plays. It is the way most footballer's mature.

However, one thing Gomez needs to stop doing, immediately, is pulling his opponent back. It is so blatant and a yellow card every time. The first yellow was a tug if he had avoided that, he would not have been sent off. Kid needs to learn this but he has time. Show some patience, it is always harder to develop as a defender than a midfield or attacker. In my opinion, at least.


13 Sep 2017 22:35:41
The only thing I really saw Gomez do any wrong, was regarding their first goal. I don’t know if it’s just lack of pace or inexperience or what but he looked a bit lazy when he should have been tracking the player who crossed it in. Kind of looked a bit confused who he should have been closing down tbf though so i’ll just say lack of experience which he can learn from. Obviously the goal wasn’t his fault because Lovren should have just kicked the ball instead of falling on his arse and missing the ball but hey ho.


13 Sep 2017 22:52:11
Gomez had a very solid game BUT Ed is correct. There is a lack of confidence in this team right now and the City result is clearly lingering as Ed said. Had we taken our chances, we would have been 4-1 up and case closed BUT this crisis of confidence, may have done us in this game. Take Firmino's penalty, he did every thing right BUT it just did not come off for him. Also, nobody will sell you their best CB in Jan. so forget it. We are LFC and since we can't drop 300m on CB's every season, we have to be creative. That is the issue now. The manager is not perfect BUT is still the manager and it is due to him that we even had the chance to play in this game and in the CL. We just need to stick together n stop this "Klopp Out" nonsense. as it is an overreaction and it is not helping.


14 Sep 2017 15:28:03
Did Gomez overlap with Skrtels time at the club, Mango?


13 Sep 2017 21:46:12
2 points dropped. Still going to win the group. We will get there. Believe in Klopp.

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13 Sep 2017 21:51:26
18 months into his job and he has done nothing to sort out the worst defence we have ever had starting to loose faith never mind have trust in him .


13 Sep 2017 21:53:58
Not with that defence.


13 Sep 2017 22:02:42
Done nothing? He's brought in Karius, Matip, Robertson and Klavan, and tried everything to bring in VVD.

You might argue he hasn't brought in the best players or that our defensive system needs work, but you can't say he's done nothing.

Personally I think Karius, Matip, Robertson may all yet to be decent transfers, the problem is we continue to play Lovren and Moreno together and that's just a recipe for mistakes at the back.


13 Sep 2017 22:04:15
The defence under Klopp is worse than under Rogers.


{Ed001's Note - it really is not, you might want to go back and watch the Stoke game if you think that.}

13 Sep 2017 22:54:28
More no, that is patently false. Under Klopp last season, we had the 6th best defence in the PL. BR NEVER came anywhere near that in his final one and a half seasons here. The only time he did that was in his first season when Carra was still marshaling the defence.


13 Sep 2017 21:40:32
Again some crazy comments
We played fantastically. Should have been 4-1 up in the first half. We conceded two truly terrible goals. Defensive woes continue.
However a great offensive performance. Truly enjoyed the match. Very disappointed with the draw. Dropped two points.
Karius is a big positive in the backline. His distribution was excellent.

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13 Sep 2017 21:47:53
We played ok. Salah, Firmino and Gini were great. We just can't frickin defend!


13 Sep 2017 21:49:28
Defence defence defence nowhere to be seen. Other clubs like city spurs United an Chelsea showing us how it's done. Lovren you wouldn't make my pub team ya crap pal.


13 Sep 2017 21:53:28
Big Al is the king of Sarcasm.


13 Sep 2017 21:54:38
Should have won 4-1! Should have could have. We didn't we finish 2-2 at home will you still say that in a few months big al.


13 Sep 2017 21:55:56
I thought we played some great football. What can I say about the goals or lovren? It's all been repeated before and there's absolutely nothing I can say that could improve the situation. Possibly gomez alongside matip who sleeps at vital times.


13 Sep 2017 21:59:08
Crazy in what way Big Al that our defence is rubbish and our manager does not have the intelligence to change things when they are going wrong but ultimately waits till things capitulate and then makes the change that should have been made well in advance . No doubting how brilliant we are going forward but you can't expect to go out and win every game 3:2 or 4:3 we just don't have the defence to be serious challengers this season.


13 Sep 2017 22:06:23
Attack was electric and should have scored at least three or four. Can't complain there and Gini was fantastic. The problem was their first goal was a howler but we reacted well and I was sure we'd go on to win it from there, but we just dropped off the pace after the missed penalty. that's the reason we lost IMO, not sure why?


13 Sep 2017 22:11:29
Our defence is crap, but let's look at the other side of the team.
Liverpool 16 shots - 2 goals
Seville 3 shots-2 goals
Too many front players trying to set someone else up, when they themselves are in a better position. Terrible penalty from Firminio, I thought he was trying to be too clever, whatever happened to hard and low in the corner.


13 Sep 2017 22:58:24
Big Al is correct. You have to look at both sides of the game. If you wanna moan, talk about the defence which mind you, conceded 4 shots all game and Karius had NO saves again. If you wanna be positive, you look at the attack. For me, our attack cost us the game. had we scored the 4 goals we should have by half time, who's taling about the defence? Not many even tho Lovren screwed up. We'll be okay in the end as I think confidence is low now within the team which explains why those chances were missed and why it seemed we did not know whether to attack or defend hence, doing neither.


14 Sep 2017 15:19:33
I agree with big Al, we played very well st times and we should have been home and dry but again defensive mistakes cost us.
Also thought we got cocky when attacking in second half both Mane and Salah trying long range efforts instead of maybe keeping the ball and waiting for better opening.
Salah MOM for me, also thought Gomez done well can't understand him getting stick.


13 Sep 2017 21:35:16
bringing aoc on for salah in the 88th minute sums klopp up. massively 1 directional. no plan b. certainly not the messiah.

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13 Sep 2017 21:51:30
Fire away with your explanation there Andy, because your words of criticism are empty without an explanation mate.
How in your opinion is bringing AOC on for Salah 1 directional? Who would you have brought on instead? Milner? Klavan? Mingolet or Robertson?


13 Sep 2017 22:06:19
Kev, you take a defender off and add an extra attacker. Not swap one attack for another. Few minutes from the end of the game you chuck the kitchen sink at them. 99% of managers would have added an attacker, not replaced one with another.


13 Sep 2017 22:14:17
Bringing Ox on for 3 mins was pointless, and 8 mins for Studge was just as pointless. But that's Klopp for you.


14 Sep 2017 00:41:20
Sydney! We aren't chasing an equaliser.
No need to throw kitchen sinks when drawing with one of the best teams in the group.
Our defence is rubbish with 4 there, yet you think we should take one out and have even less defending, lose our shape and go gung ho to score a winner when a draw is far from the end of the world? If Sevilla score a winner then Klopp gets destroyed by the media and hysterical "fans" for being unnecessarily reckless. One of the basic rules of coaching is not to lose shape unless desperate. We weren't desperate!


14 Sep 2017 14:38:56
Finally someone who talks sense
Any manager who can't identify major weaknesses that even fans can see is not a world class manager it's a stubborn one - so everyone knew in the summer without a good defence u can't win anything and as a team they are average people need to realise it and not moan cos people like me are saying it- yes I support trhem but I understand we are average so results like this doesn't faze me.


14 Sep 2017 15:08:36
The issue is not about the substitution of Salah! It's the timing. The timing was such that it was a clear indication that klopp has lost it! He had all the time to make good substitutions but waited till our backs was on the wall before making those substation. I see the timing of the substitution as the hallmarks of a clueless coach. It really pains me to see that even our opponent no longer fear the tactical accumen of klopp. It's now clear to everyone that he is just an average coach and certainly not the standard to take Liverpool to its dreams!


13 Sep 2017 21:32:41
Past few games iv noticed Henderson wastefully hitting passes to nobody, for a player of that stature he sure does waste a lot of ball.

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13 Sep 2017 21:44:31
He mis-hit a lot tonight. Was definitely an off game. Even the passes he made were hit too hard slightly inaccurately or behind the man killing momentum.

He will get back on it soon enough.


13 Sep 2017 21:51:49
To be fair I really don't see what he brings to the pitch for us as he can't help our defence as there terrible and he don't create anything, he just runs.


13 Sep 2017 21:54:45
He hasn't been on it for a couple of seasons really.
I work with a lot of non LFC fans and they think it's hilarious how he is our captain.
He's called "Sideways Hendo" in my work place.
To be fair he played a lovely ball to Moreno for Firmino's goal earlier, but didn't see much else from him all night, no leadership either.


13 Sep 2017 23:00:33
Kev, I did not think he had a good game, either. Wiji and Can were much better but again, you can't play well all the time. We just need our midfield to be consistent as a unit cos the case of one plays well and the other does not, is not helping the team and we saw that today.


14 Sep 2017 00:51:11
Bingo, I get you I really do but when a neutral tells you they think he's a joke you start to see things differently. It's like someone being in a bad relationship. Their mates try to tell them but they don't see it until it's too late or until they've gotten away. Henderson is okay but not good enough for a premiership winning side. Ask yourself would he get in any of the best teams in the PL. I don't think he would but he'll get in ours week after week somehow. He's average mate. Positionally woeful, passes sideways or backwards mostly. No leadership, seems like a likable guy but seems like he has no guts. Look I might be wrong but he wouldn't fill me with confidence of playing with him. When was the last time you saw him galvanise the team? Lead by example? Control a match? Kick an opposition player to let them know they'll be in for a fight in the match? Not a captain for me, squad player sure but not a captain or a starter.


14 Sep 2017 07:28:36
Big post kev and I can't disagree with it, he's not been standout to me in any game, if anything he goes unnoticed as he just coasts through a game, This very strange how we see this and other posters seem to rate him highly.


{Ed025's Note - i have been saying it for ages G-dog and most of my friends (some season ticket holders and die hard reds) say the same, some supporters just cant see the woods for the trees mate..

13 Sep 2017 21:06:43
The lack of finishing is what I've been harping on about.

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13 Sep 2017 21:12:31
Yeah because we never score goals.


13 Sep 2017 21:23:08
If you look back at my post last week I said we need 3 goals to win every game
A) because we can't defend
B) in most games we waste chances to score 5 or 6

So I'm sick of hearing how good we are going forward yet games which should be dead and buried aren't . goal poaching centre forward sadly lacking.


13 Sep 2017 21:27:39
The lack of clean sheets is more of a problem.


13 Sep 2017 21:37:57
Klopp's excuses will be interest7.


13 Sep 2017 23:02:03
If you keep a clean sheet and don't score, you still get a point out of the game. If you win 4-3, you get 3 points, RTID. Your post makes no sense.


13 Sep 2017 20:50:48
Heard a stat recently that Liverpool have never lost when Lovren and Matip have played together. anyone confirm?

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13 Sep 2017 21:47:34
Wrong. We've lost 2 when they've played together.


14 Sep 2017 13:54:00
We have lost once mate. last season against crystal palace at anfield.


13 Sep 2017 20:46:25
Got to be happy with the performance after the 1st goal, I just hope Moreno can improve defensively because my god he is exceptional going forward!

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13 Sep 2017 20:45:16
Our counter attack is sensational just unfortunate our defence in abysmal! Lovren must pinch himself everyday when he puts the shirt on.

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13 Sep 2017 20:39:20
Weren't we winning at half time in the Europa final too?! Point is, we need to stay awake this time please lads for the love of f***.

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13 Sep 2017 20:36:22
Alberto Moreno perfect Wing back! Not a left back!

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13 Sep 2017 20:30:50
Love Salah. his final ball might be a bit poor at times but he is rapid, works hard and will contribute to a ton of goals this season.

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13 Sep 2017 20:35:15
Yes, I agree. If he had a right foot, he'd be unreal. His work rate more than makes up for it though.


13 Sep 2017 20:41:43
front 3 are so exciting to watch. will always give us a chance. the effort they show is great. we just won't compete for trophies if we don't sort out our back line though.


13 Sep 2017 19:41:58
Just wondering, could be illness or injury. But why isn't keita in the Leipzig squad for the game tonight?

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13 Sep 2017 20:31:15
Got injured the weekend.


13 Sep 2017 19:23:00
If the seniors get a result like the youths have tonight, we'll all have forgotten Saturday by 10pm tonight, except for the "Mignolet out" peeps - I'm one of them too.

Matip needs to show some enthusiasm tonight, he was bloody awful on Saturday and has a lot to prove.

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13 Sep 2017 20:04:53
poor display from Liverpool so far. Hope things change. We really have a very poor defense! One of the poorest in the premiership. Strange that klopp did nothing about this during the transfer season.


13 Sep 2017 20:36:22
It's not just the defence though, look at the midfield's positional sense, bloody terrible when defending. As a team we are shambolic defensively.


13 Sep 2017 19:19:54
Does anyone know why Robertson doesn't get a game.

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13 Sep 2017 20:05:31
Please go ask klopp. He is the only one who knows why.


13 Sep 2017 19:41:13
I'd like to know this too, Ed001? Is he not getting klopp's tactics or something, as the one game he's played was pretty good.


{Ed001's Note - new baby etc along with Moreno having performed well.}

13 Sep 2017 16:39:11
Hope everyone is having a good week so far. A question for Ed001 if possible. What do you make of Gerrard managing the under 18's whilst continuing with his punditry work? Seems like a potential conflict of interest to me. I think it was Wenger who told Henry he could only continue working at Arsenal if he gave up his role at Sky.
Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of pundits working in coaching positions. He should either be a full time coach or a pundit. It is not just the conflict of interest, it is the fact that he should not have time to spare doing coaching and having a family. It worries me that something is being neglected and it might be that he is not putting in the total effort it requires to be successful.}

13 Sep 2017 20:50:46
Conflict of interest? He's not a public defendant. He mumbles on about football never really saying anything original just like the other so called pundits and gets paid very handsomely for it. He is as bad at it as the rest of them.

My question is why does he need to do it? Pretty sure he doesn't need the cash.


13 Sep 2017 18:39:03
Karius playing. Couts on bench. Gomes at RB.

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13 Sep 2017 18:38:26
Johannes Geis out of tonight's match - good player so nice swerve.
Just hope the fans get behind the players tonight like the old days.
If not, what is the point in fighting all season for CL?!

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13 Sep 2017 17:49:51
Lou brush just made it 3nil for lfc u19 v seville just before halftime.

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13 Sep 2017 18:15:11
Loo Brush. Seriously?


13 Sep 2017 19:23:24
That Loo brush is going to be some player!


13 Sep 2017 21:08:00
As long as he's not full of s**t, he can stick around.


13 Sep 2017 17:40:35
So Klopp has said that Karius will be playing tonight.

“If nothing happens overnight then Loris will start, yes, but no it doesn’t mean that (Karius is now number one), ” said the Reds boss.

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13 Sep 2017 17:38:28
How likely does anyone see both De Vrij and Van Dijk signing for Liverpool?

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13 Sep 2017 18:30:16
Neither are going to happen.


13 Sep 2017 15:09:47
Eds, why isn't ward being given a run? We know mignolet flaws. We know karius is klopps guy but everyone other than klopp can see he's not very good and his reactions are slow. Surely ward deserves a few games? Can't be any worse no?

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{Ed002's Note - He is third choice. Mkignolet is now first choice according to Klipperty.}

13 Sep 2017 16:27:21
MKignolet,

A hybrid of MK Scouser and Migs 😄.


13 Sep 2017 16:56:36
That would be some hybrid Ron, someone who knows he's bad in goal and has the stats to prove it 😉 only kidding MK, I enjoy your posts and your opinions most of the time.


13 Sep 2017 16:59:58
How is your handling MK?


13 Sep 2017 17:03:08
Isn't he simon's Scottish cousin?


13 Sep 2017 17:43:48
Klopp said in his most recent interview that there is no first choice GK.

It looks like it will be Mignolet in the League, Karius in the CL and Ward in the cups.


{Ed002's Note - Turning out to be a real flake again - he has said also that Mignolet is and Karius isn't.}

13 Sep 2017 18:07:30
Oh MK in a kilt scary stuff.


13 Sep 2017 18:00:54
Klopp keeps changing his mind making himself look stupid in the keeper department imo ed.


13 Sep 2017 18:10:11
I have a stigmatism in my left eye which has worsened significantly in the last 3 years, so honestly my handling is worse than that of Charles Itandje.

I'm better than Mignolet though.


13 Sep 2017 18:43:39
I don't believe we'll see much of Ward this season, apart from a few league cup appearances at most - it's a real shame having him as 3rd choice, although I realise that is the setup of most clubs in the league (that of having three keepers) .

In my eyes it would have made more sense to loan him back to Huddersfield (although as a dane I like seeing Lössl there - still believe Ward is the better keeper of the two though) . Then we could keep Bogdan another season as 3rd choice or we could have gotten in a veteran keeper.

Don't see the logic in Klopp changing his mind on a daily basis on the keeper front as, as many have said, it really does make him look a bit clueless.


13 Sep 2017 18:48:26
How Ward can be happy with this I don't know, but suppose he has to make his claim when he does get a game!


13 Sep 2017 15:27:12
I have to say, there's a very silly article in the Echo today about the goalkeepers at the club.
The article is saying Simon Mignolet should feel aggrieved to not play tonight after what he did last season to help us qualify for the CL.
If that's the case, should we play Kolo Toure and Steve Gerrard too for what they did 3 seasons ago?!
It goes on to say it's little/ no consolation for Mignolet if he's picked against Burnley at the weekend as it's hardly a glamour tie.
I'm sorry, but if being picked for Liverpool in a Premier league match is not a glamour tie, then you simply shouldn't be playing for us or supporting us. That is your bread and butter.
Mignolet is now in his FIFTH season I believe and still hasn't convinced most of us he's good enough. He has nothing to possibly complain about. No point saying we need consistency is the team line up so they can understand one another. The players have to be consistent themselves and Mignolet is not.

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13 Sep 2017 16:08:15
Migs can feel aggrieved but he let in FIVE goals. One for each mediocre season he has had. He was decent in second half of season and made some flash saves bur we still looked really rocky at set pieces. He was ok but not amazing.

This has to be a new Dawn for liverpool and karius should get the shirt. He is the best keeper at the club. Ward looks promising and I reckon people are calling for him to be given the gloves but I believe that is because he is simply a new option bur what happens when his over confidence costs us or he just isn't that great. He could be amazing but he might not be either. If hennesey gets the nod in front of him for Wales then he can't be that good. Hennesey is mediocre too. Karius is some shot stopper and he seems to organise the back line better. Why the cbs kept passing the ball back to him needlessly with arsenal I don't know. They put him in trouble 2/ 3 times and they could've tuned easily and played the ball. Maybe karius has fantastic distribution. I really think he will be a star if we let him settle.

I'd rather have one brilliant keeper a young and highly promising back up and an old, average keeper than three keepers of fairly high quality. I don't like this keeper rotation, we need some stability back there.


13 Sep 2017 16:18:50
Mingolet has gone past his sell by date.


13 Sep 2017 16:23:43
Exactly. I wouldn't mind but he managed to get himself to acceptable for a premier league club last year. That was it. nothing spectacular. He just achieved the minimum and is being praised for it.

He is a below average keeper who got 4 years to pr9ve himself. Context. karius got 10 games.


13 Sep 2017 16:29:19
Spot on, Olrish. The article is pathetic. It is the same with the media who say Migs is poor but when he gets hooked or benched, they say, "He's done nothing wrong to warrant being dropped". Again, both cannot be right at the same time.

If Migs is aggrieved, whose fault is that, exactly? Could it be due to the fact that he has been crap overall, in his LFC career (the last few weeks of last season is a false argument by desperate people trying to make him better than he actually is)? Could it be that he got punished and benched b4 the Arsenal game (per Ed01)? Could it be due to his pathetic record in the first 3 seasons, being the reason Karius was bought to replace him? Nonsensical reasoning, by the author of that article.

Migs is lucky that Karius did not have a good run in the team when he got his chance or that he broke his hand in preseason which slowed him down physically cos if not, Migs would have been gone way back when so he should be thanking Karius, Klopp and the fans who got on Karius back, for his flickering LFC career.


13 Sep 2017 17:12:15
The Echo needs to shift their attention to Everton and leave Liverpool FC for good.


13 Sep 2017 17:50:59
Superred91,

Ward can't start for Wales when he's not even making the Liverpool bench. I bet if he plays for you consistently he will become Wales number 1 in no time. He is definatly better than the other two.


13 Sep 2017 18:44:46
It's nonsense.

Mignolet is a poor goalkeeper and I really don't understand how anybody who's watched us for the past 4 years can think otherwise simply because he managed not to throw the ball into his own net for 5 months. He doesn't organise the defence. He doesn't communicate. He sells himself easily in 1v1s. He's poor at dealing with crosses and his passing is awful. And every now and then "but he's a fine shotstopper" gets trotted out. Except he's not a fine shotstopper. He doesn't make fine saves. I genuinely cannot remember the last time he kept out a shot that wasn't placed very close to him. (Unless he did against Man City cos I stop watching after about the 60 minute mark. ) He's not that good at anything that a goalkeeper needs to be good at.

Klopp's dithering on the goalkeeping issue is a real problem. Our defence is jittery enough without wondering which goalie they're going to play with today.

I don't think it's a case that Klopp doesn't rate Karius or Ward, or else he'd have let them go (especially Ward who isn't his signing) . I think he's looked at the stick Karius got for two poor performances last year and has it in his head that he needs to protect Karius and Ward and only give them games here and there until he thinks one of them is ready.

It's not an approach I agree with, I think he needs to decide which of them is better, tell them that they're getting a run of games in the Prem and Champions League no matter what so they can relax a bit, build some proper understanding with our defenders, and play without being nervous about making a mistake and then not getting a chance to make up for it.


{Ed025's Note - it has become somewhat of a problem position SR i agree, i thought he may have invested in a keeper in the last window mate but maybe he does not see that there is a problem?..

13 Sep 2017 15:09:24
On my way to my first ever champs league game. Come on the redmen. 😎.

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13 Sep 2017 15:52:59
Ignore SGreds comments the other day about goalies and girlfriends, the filthy misogynist 😉 you make those players the best damn pre-match sandwiches they've ever had! #GirlPower!

In all seriousness though Kate, have a lovely evening and use Paté on Tiger loaf.


13 Sep 2017 16:09:37
Waoowawawawaooh unbelievable! Have a goodun Kate. Lucky girl.


13 Sep 2017 16:36:16
MK, Who's Kate?


13 Sep 2017 16:44:20
What's going on there MK? You hit the sauce already? Do you think the players would enjoy a pickled onion space raider sandwich? As you know, I'm not a fan of meat.


13 Sep 2017 16:49:50
What do you mean "who is kate? " BingoRed.
It's me, Cathy, I've come home.


13 Sep 2017 18:11:56
I'm always drunk Kate. Part of being a demi god is having wine for blood, unfortunately. Or fortunately depending on what way you look at it.


13 Sep 2017 14:08:37
Let's hope Mane takes his frustrations out on Sevilla and runs them ragged with a goal or two thrown in.

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13 Sep 2017 15:11:46
And doesn't boot them in the face.


13 Sep 2017 16:36:52
Be careful what you wish for, Mvcgoveb.


13 Sep 2017 16:44:32
I think he will score.


13 Sep 2017 19:06:55
He's not a dirty player.


13 Sep 2017 12:01:55
Hi guys, going to the game tonight and bought tickets through my membership. do I just use my members card as a ticket for the game through the turnstiles? Only ever had paper tickets before. Thanks in advance.

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13 Sep 2017 12:29:24
That should be the case AH.


13 Sep 2017 12:34:08
I've been before mate on the same deal tickets bought on mates fan card, you just put the card in the reader on the turnstile mate.


13 Sep 2017 14:14:07
Enjoy the game, mate. I envy you.


13 Sep 2017 14:23:26
Cheers boys.


13 Sep 2017 14:30:50
Sing from the 1st to the last minute give it loads my lucky friend.


13 Sep 2017 11:10:17
Just to cheer up everyone after this weekend, its better to lose 1 game 5-0, than to lose 5 games 1-0.

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13 Sep 2017 14:15:09
That's the saying every manager has to hang their heads on when something like this happen. And mathematically, it is correct.


13 Sep 2017 16:46:51
Very true Andy. A good win against seville and a hammering of Burnley and the city game will seem like a bad nightmare.


13 Sep 2017 17:53:04
What's a good nightmare then?


13 Sep 2017 10:12:28
First time post, great site and all, appreciate the amount of work the lads are putting in. My aunties colleague said he seen Klopp at Sunday League match in Wirral. What could this be? Any Sunday league capped Coutinho replacements? because they would certainly never dream of any other club to play for but Liverpool.

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13 Sep 2017 10:36:30
Think klopp just loves football and will watch anything.


13 Sep 2017 14:15:59
Spot on, TB. In fact, Klopp said so himself in the interview after he got the LFC job.


13 Sep 2017 16:47:21
I love that about klopp!


14 Sep 2017 10:18:05
It could've been Morden, the big German fella from the new MoreThan advert.


13 Sep 2017 08:39:25
Klopp has never beaten sevilla. his best result is a draw against them. worrying times.

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13 Sep 2017 08:53:42
I've never beaten my nan in a fight. I'd still fancy my chances with the old bag though.


13 Sep 2017 09:01:38
Pretty sure we all felt the opposite going into Citeh

Suggest you read the disclaimer
'Past performance is not indicative of future results'


13 Sep 2017 09:07:10
And your point, Sirtoto?


13 Sep 2017 09:10:35
It's shame you have never beaten your nan MK. How old is she 😄😄.


13 Sep 2017 09:13:46
And last season he didn't lose to a top 6 side. Oh how times change. Means nothing mate it's about what happens on the day.


13 Sep 2017 09:26:22
You're punching above your weight MK 🤠.


13 Sep 2017 09:32:23
Dam right. If we beat Sevilla we will win the cup🤔.


13 Sep 2017 09:41:05
I dunno Harry. I've only seen her once in the last few years since she called me an alcoholic.

I'm trying to get Eddie Hearn to arrange a showdown in front of 90,000 at Wembley. Impossible to get her in a fair fight outside the ring. She just starts swinging the hand bags and the glad rags that my poor old Grandad had to sweat to buy her.


13 Sep 2017 11:56:08
I would pay £19.99 to see this fight MK, can we make it happen.


13 Sep 2017 12:31:16
I fought your nan MK and she kicked my ass. I don't fancy your chances, she has a hammer of a right hook!


13 Sep 2017 12:54:34
£19.99? Holy hell. If i get say, 5 people interested I'm game.

Bobby I'd ask why she was hitting you but to be honest she probably doesn't need a reason.


13 Sep 2017 13:15:52
I think the more notable point then Klopp strugging against Seville is Klopp struggling against Unai Emery, who is no longer there.


13 Sep 2017 13:16:02
Worrying times based on that? Jesus get your head screwed on.


13 Sep 2017 15:06:30
The OP is either genuinely worried or is on a wind up, either way it's sad.


13 Sep 2017 16:48:59
My nan would've kicked the s**t out of me!


13 Sep 2017 08:16:59
Eds

I was just checking the squad for UEFA Youth League U-19s, and to my surprise i couldn't see the name of Yan Dhanda . Does he not qualify for the tournament? Because he is still 18. He has been playing well for the U-23s, though i have not seen any matches, just going by that he playing regularly and scoring/ assisting. what's your take on him? . Have a nice day fellow reds. Upwards and Onwards.

Thank You.

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't know, sorry.}

13 Sep 2017 07:59:06
Some of you may recall that a couple of days ago i brought up the fact that i jinxed Mane by putting in my fantasy team.

Well being a true fan like i am i did as i said i would and transferred him out for Pogba.

Sure enough, Pogba has just done his hamstring and will miss 2-4 weeks.

You're all welcome.

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13 Sep 2017 08:16:58
Best you keep your ability a secret MK. You might get a knock on the door one day from Her Majesty's Secret Service, The next fantasy game you play might have Kim Jong Un as the only choice for midfield!


13 Sep 2017 08:18:48
They're probably better without that lame duck!


13 Sep 2017 08:24:58
Brilliant! Now put kane in your side please😁.


13 Sep 2017 08:44:06
I. HAVE. THE POWER!


13 Sep 2017 08:46:56
Mark, i actually took Kane out just before the international break 😂 sure enough he came back and scored.

Every season i start with him in my side and then the second i drop him he starts scoring. I am the reason Kane hates August.


13 Sep 2017 09:09:56
Why do you leave Migs in goal every season 😄.


13 Sep 2017 09:48:41
😨 Ron i need to put him in my team ASAP!

He can't get any worse so the only way his situation could change to damage my points total was if he got dropped again 🤔.


13 Sep 2017 09:55:33
I replaced mane with pogba too who i've now replaced pogba with mkhitaryan heres hopin lol.


13 Sep 2017 13:38:19
You know you guys can talk about bad luck, but I dropped Lukaku the week he scored 4 last year. Plus Defoe who scored two that week.


13 Sep 2017 14:46:06
Welsh that is brutal mate. It literally happens to me every time i make a transfer.

The day before the season kicked off i got rid of Salah, Morata, Vokes, Pogba and Mooy. Every single one of them scored on the opening day and i cried myself to sleep.

4 goals though man! The closest i have to that is probably when i made Hazard triple captain and he got rested 😂 my vice captain was McAuley and he was injured. I nearly lost my head that day.


13 Sep 2017 16:51:12
Absolute "liverpool banter" legend MK Scouser! Nice one son.


15 Sep 2017 12:46:56
MK, it's a decision I regret and burden every day although it's given me insane trust issues with Lukaku so he's never coming back to my team after breaking my heart like that, it's a risk we all take haha.


Premier League Transfer Window Assessment

13 Sep 2017 06:42:47
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Transfer Window Assessment

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13 Sep 2017 11:58:23
Thanks Ed. good read, no matter how much i follow the transfers, i always seem to miss a couple!


{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, I know I missed a few as well until I did this.}

13 Sep 2017 13:36:47
Cheers Ed, I'll make them all tonight and then i don't need to buy FIFA18 😂.


{Ed001's Note - oh thanks, now EA Sports will have a hit out on me for costing them money!}

13 Sep 2017 14:36:52
We'll you saved me £50 so I'll put a fiver towards a lawyer 😉.


{Ed001's Note - so kind.}

13 Sep 2017 01:08:45
Am I really the only one (it sure seems like it) that thinks our centre backs are of good quality?

With the pressing system and the formation we're playing we're bound to let in goals - our defenders are always going to rely on our whole team defending as a unit - if one or two players fail to do so the chain will break and our defenders will be made out to look silly in certain situations. Miss one player (aka Red card Mané) and it's going to be even tougher when at the same time nearly every Liverpool player on the pitch lose their heads and disregards that said system - just to sum up that game.
Give us Hyypia, Nesta, Puyol - you name it - in their prime time, I still think we'd let goals in with the way we're playing.

People forget so quickly, but do you remember going up against City last season? Klavan played both matches, we won at Anfield (1-0) and got a draw at Etihad (1-1). To me that says we have some good defenders when the system we play works. Just to put in some perspective.

When Lovren arrived at Liverpool he was one of the best cb's in the premier league (or at least he was up there) - but again, it's always going to be tough arriving at a club where the keeper can't command and besides using a whole other system than what he was used to. I think this is proof of where the actual problem lies. Maybe he is not suited to play the way we want to? Maybe he is and the pressing system just collapses at times? Either way, it doesn't really make him any less quality.
Also, having a committed DM to protect our back four (think Kante, Matic, De Rossi, Busquets, etc. ) would benefit our defenders a whole lot! But that's a whole other matter.

Our centre backs have had some outstanding performances since each of them arrived and admittedly also their bad share of games. Still, being able to have those good performances means that the force is strong within them.

Again, to me it seems to come down to the way we're playing and perhaps also Mignolet, rather than actually having bad defenders. I'll say though that Klavan and maybe Matip could be swapped for better ones, but I definitely don't think that they're bad defenders. Quite the opposite in fact.

Anyways, sorry, that became a lot more writing than what I set out to.
And it's probably explained a lot worse than I actually could. But I'm sure you get the gist of it. Either way, agree or disagree, just my humble opinion on this whole matter.

Cheers all.

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13 Sep 2017 04:30:00
Its something I've been wondering as well. I don't think they are or the BEST quality but I think they're decent players. It's hard to tell if it comes down to coaching or just the players. I'm sure there's a little bit of both. I'd be curious to see how our centerbacks would do under defensively minded coaches like Mourinho and Conte. Hell, Chelsea has made Gary Cahill look like a good defender at times.


13 Sep 2017 04:41:39
Our system means we will concede more goals than perhaps other more defensively minded teams, but I think if you look at the nature of the goals we concede it is clear that there are serious issues with out defence. I'm not going to go over each issue as many people, Ed's included, have contributed to this discussion already. I think our defence means we concede more goals than we should and that we need different/ better personnel in those positions if we want to challenge for leagues. As it stands the quality is simply not good enough.


13 Sep 2017 05:26:31
I definitely agree that we're not strong enough defensively compared to the amount of goals we're shipping in. But again, I honestly believe it comes down to the way we're pressing/ defending as a unit and not everyone in the team being able to cope with that. Add a goalkeeper who can't command his area to that and you're going to get defenders that lacks control in some situations and thereby lacks confidence, which I pressume could be another cause.

I think Lovren is a quality player, Matip as well a good player, hell even Klavan isn't as bad a player as some would make him seem. Admittedly Klavan (and perhaps Matip) could be replaced by better players, but I don't the believe all this negative fuzz about them. They can play really really well when the system works! And when it doesn't, I don't think it's merely because of them.

And I agree Tj, it'd be very interesting to see them in this Chelsea team - I'm almost certain we'd witness what defensive qualities they actually possess. They're looking bad (at times) at Liverpool because of the way we play, not because they aren't good players.


13 Sep 2017 05:58:21
So what is your point? Change the system or outscore each and every opponents out there?


13 Sep 2017 06:37:37
I guess you can draw lots of points from what I say.
My original point was basically that I don't think our defenders deserve all the criticism they're getting, as I think no matter who we stick there we're going to let a great amount of goals in. I think our defenders have more abilities than what it's made out to look like - maybe because of the coaching or the way we defend as a unit. It seems pretty clear to me that in a long time we've gone for outscoring our opponents and unless we change our whole playing style, any defender is going to have a tough time on our side. Thankfully I'm not the one in charge of the way we play though, just wanted to shine some light on our defenders' quality.


13 Sep 2017 07:23:42
This ain't a secret anymore that our defense gets no protection from midfiled but that does not discount their stupid errors which also has been a reason we concede many. Our CB's are vulnerable in the air. We just don't win any headers. And when you loose the first ball you also loose the second ball as our midfielders are not positioned enough to win the cushion headers. We have a set of keepers that are average to below average not tested at the highest level. This doesn't help the defense. We have no leader at the back. Our players are pussesy when it comes to leading from the front. I have not seen anyone organizing our defenses against a corner or set piece. We need a Gerrard or Carra there desperately. Henderson has been at the club from 7 years and he still looks like a fresher out there!

Our system sends the entire army upfront and this is ok as long as you keep the ball but when you loose you are certain to get caught off. You can't blame anyone other than the system.

We did a mistake in not upgrading Lucas instead we brought AOX who is not going to help our defense one bit.


13 Sep 2017 07:28:05
Gary chill is a good defender. He is solid for england.

Look the defence shopped five goals the other day. That never happens under klopp but it did. City and sane targeted young tent Alexander and although he scored a beauty the other week and looks class going forward, I'm not sure on his defending though. Doesn't matter too much as he is being primed to become a midfielder. The next Gerrard I reckon. He started at right back.

Don't understand why Robertson isn't playing? ;he is clearly more responsible than moreno with a more direct final ball too. Gomes should start the Burnley game. Use our most experienced defenders

RB Milner
RCB matip
LCB lovren
LB Robertson

It actually looks quite solid on paper.

I do agree that our style of play would see any defenders shipping goals. I don't mind conceding one as long as we score two. I don't know what happened. By rights it should have been 1 0 to city. After losing our main mane we should've just tightened right up and parked the bus. Hoping for a salah counter attack.


13 Sep 2017 07:37:26
Robertson isn't playing because Moreno has been good so far.


13 Sep 2017 09:04:27
Then how would explain why our pressing game would cause us to concede so many goals from set plays and corners?


13 Sep 2017 09:20:47
Our problem, as it has been for years, defending aerial balls into the box, where we look weak. Perfect example against city. Yes I know we were down to ten men but you still try to hold out at one nil and try to hit on the break, but the second goal from Jesus killed the game IMO. The bloke is tiny and he scored a header, why wasn't he being marked? Every now and then I understand good movement and good balls in can cut through a tight defence but it's way to common to be a minor issue. Maybe it's coaching and maybe we do lack the protection necessary to stop these types of balls being put in, but our defences aerial ability has been suspect for years and we haven't had a towering CB to command the area since the days of Hyypia and Carragher. Maybe it's the keeper not commanding the area? Individually I believe our two main CB (Matip &a Lovren) are good, perhaps even better technically than the previously mentioned legends, but without leadership, teamwork, determination and efficient coaching it means nothing.


13 Sep 2017 09:21:20
Clearly our CB's are not good enough which is why Klopp wants them all replaced, per Ed01. In midfield, Klopp wants his midfield 3 to press high (with one always remaining to cover the gaps in behind) as a group and then drop in to defend as a group as soon as the ball is lost. This is not being done effectively and this has been the issue since the season began. A DM is not the solution here as Klopp does not use one in this system when in full flow. This is where Naby Keita will help next season as he is Kante but with more attacking dynamism. For now, our midfield have to do much better defensively when they lose the ball

As for the GK's, Migs is the only one that is known to be crap, overall as he has had 4 seasons to prove that. We don't know if Karius and Ward is the long term solution BUT we do know that they are talented and were very good at their previous clubs. They just need a full run of games to see if they are the solution. Klopp has messed this GK situation up big time however, I think he is trying to fix it by playing Karius in the CL which is like a demotion of Migs as every GK wants to play in the CL, so he is slowly phasing him out. I hope Karius can take his chance and run with it cos right now, Migs is not and will never be the answer. 4 seasons of crap goalkeeping has shown us that.


13 Sep 2017 09:21:43
Surely Robertson isn't playing as he's settling in and if he plays and has a bad game the knuckle dragging idiots will be out in force saying why didn't we sign Roberto Carlos and calling for his head.
I have always thought that about our CBs Flagon I thought the reason we concede so many goals was down to the full backs pushing up too high and having no attacking quality so they lose the ball and we get hit on the break.
After the city game however I'm not so sure as the whole back 4 (or 5) had a shocker and didn't even do the basics right.
Perhaps it was just one game where circumstances went against us but they will have to improve moving forward.


13 Sep 2017 09:39:47
Lol, A DM is a decent solution where it's clear the three CM's ain't doing their job effectively! Instead of having all the three CM to press high, Why not deploy one to sit back and the other two to press! So you are never caught off when you loose possession high up? Our midfield is one of the reason our defense has looked terrible. Klopp is not always right!


13 Sep 2017 09:56:52
The problem is multifactorial - from open play our centre of defence is too exposed by the gaping hole in front of them allowing opponents to run at them, pick a pass in behind them or thread the back down the flanks as our "full backs" are running back towards our goal instead of facing our opponents.
We are always vulnerable to crosses as our centre of defence has been pulled apart all over the pitch and wingers generally have too much time on the ball because our fullbacks aren't defending.

Set pieces comes down to poor coaching IMO.

Force Maldini and Baresi to play in this team and they'd be exposed. It's not about signing new players.

Klopp is of the mindset that attack is the best form of defence. There may be truth in that but you can't attack for 90 minutes x 38 games, you have to know how to defend too.


13 Sep 2017 11:33:15
I've long argued that part of the problem with our full backs is Klopp asks too much of them, we effectively play with wing backs but only 2 CBs. Our CBs aren't helped by a midfield that is focused on pressing on the opposition half. Having said that our defenders make too many individual errors as well. Basically we could have the best defenders and keeper in the world and, whilst we'd be better than we are now, we still wouldn't have a great defensive record because our tactics will always make us vulnerable.


13 Sep 2017 13:32:10
Our CB are average on their best day and that's just how it is sadly. Our system of playing them does not help certainly but they make so many mistakes in basic situations that have nothing to do with the system. They look as bad as they do because they get exposed so often, but they would not look more than decent in any system except one designed to play mostly for clean sheets.


13 Sep 2017 14:25:20
Harry, if you do that then what happens when the two press high, don't win the ball and the opposition break? . There will be a say, 4 v 3 as our FB's are too high up the pitch. The team is exposed again which is the reason why Klopp wants the Midfield three to work together and figure out who presses and who drops deep to cover the space behind. The players must be smart enough to rotate in this instance which most of the time, our players can do. However, they are not doing it well at the moment.

Watch the Arsenal game and you will see what I'm saying. When Hendo went to press Ozil and stole the ball and nearly scored, the other two in Can and Wiji stayed back. In other situations, it was the opposite depending who pressed first. That is what Klopp wants to do and NO, a CDM will still not work here hence, why he is getting Keita who can do the same job but with more dynamism. It is that simple. Open your eyes and watch the games instead of feeding your obssesion with a CDM which needs to stop otherwise, you will continue to be blind as to the way we play.


13 Sep 2017 14:57:25
Agree 100% with Ron there.


13 Sep 2017 16:18:07
I think if you watch liverpool the midfield do offer protection for the cbs. There are usually two holding players actually and o think we only need one. Hendo is fantastic in front of the defence and Can ain't bad either. What I like about them is they both like to get forward too and when that happens then yeah, we leave ourselves a little open.


14 Sep 2017 07:09:05
If we forget about the pressing and style of play etc.

We still conceded 12 goals from set pieces last season.


13 Sep 2017 00:44:47
I've supported the reds for 50yrs but listening to klopp making excuses for coutinho all the time does my head in saying he was on a long flight and he's hardly trained and we play saturday we play Wednesday he needed 3.to 4 days training. he looked pretty fit to me training with Brazil and we all know he never had a back injury.

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13 Sep 2017 01:52:24
I agree. Its getting out of hand now. Coutinho's clearly fit and we rejected 130 million euros to keep him here. Just stop making excuses and throw him into the team now. Like it or not, we need him now.


13 Sep 2017 02:02:54
Great player, maybe our best but it's old school treatment eh. You wanted to leave? Well you can warm the bench for a few matches. I think it's a mistake technically but the right decision overall. Shouldn't just waltz back into the team after his "great sadness" if I was playing football manager I would play him but if I was klopp I wouldn't.


13 Sep 2017 02:57:01
He was never going to play on Saturday and he'll probably be back in the team tomorrow night, what more do you want? Of course Klopp is going to use his fitness as a reason, it's called being diplomatic.


13 Sep 2017 06:39:02
He would be unleashed today! 😎😎😎.


13 Sep 2017 07:31:37
I think we will steam roll them tonight. We are much much much better than we were last time we played seville. If moreno plays I fear for the safety of my TV. Don't get me wrong he has been really good so far this season but he just is a bit lax at the back and he threw the last game. I was surprised there wasn't an inquest! Joke.


13 Sep 2017 09:23:04
We don't know what has been said btw Cou and Klopp or the background discussions that may have been had so I suggest people not read too much on what Klopp says in public about Cou and his availability.


13 Sep 2017 13:33:49
In fairness, he looked very rough at the end of the match he played for Brazil and they don't play with nearly our intensity. He wasnt injured but he still barely trained for a month, and it's never a good idea to play someone you know you will absolutely have to take off at some point.


13 Sep 2017 15:03:04
Nice to see an old time fan commenting here - much respect.
I'm a fan for 30 years myself.
I understand what you're saying, but as mentioned above; Klopp is attempting to be diplomatic or is possibly walking on eggshells on this subject.
He'll start tonight though I feel in CM but back to the LW position for the next few games if he starts in them.
Definitely feigned a back injury, certainly no denying that - technically he went on strike, very unprofessional but not a surprise these days.


14 Sep 2017 01:52:29
he barely played any minutes for brazil. maybe 30mins across both games?


14 Sep 2017 07:13:51
I hope he plays tonight but for the moral of the team, I think it was the correct decision to leave him out on Saturday. I thought City were very good in Midfield and at their best in attack. With or without Couts, I personally don't think we'd have beaten City, for starters we just couldn't cope with K. De Brugne.


12 Sep 2017 23:54:07
We've been on about world class players but what manager would be able to have the respect of these top players.

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{Ed007's Note - Brendan Ro..... Nah, I won't go there, not tonight lol.}

13 Sep 2017 02:04:20
Brodge is doing ok now though eh? I think he was a great manager. He nearly won us the league if not for that slip.


13 Sep 2017 07:38:35
Rogers is a spoofer! 3 up against palace could of taken off the 3 main lads and sowed up the game! Then Chelsea Jose came out and said we just don't want to be beaten so was happy to play a draw Rodgers just needed a point and play for a drab draw but no try and hammer Jose team that admitted they where parking the bus! Enough said! ( the group the character the quality the usual spoofer words! )


13 Sep 2017 08:34:31
Rodgers bought Balotelli for £16 odd million.
Klopp had to kick Balotelli out on a free.


13 Sep 2017 09:27:52
Jay, the Palace game was not what lost us the league. We had something like an 8 goal deficit on City and had we won that game and City won all theirs (which they did) we would have lost the league on goal difference. He and the players were absolutely correct to push for more goals to give us a chance of winning the league but it back fired and we drew the game. Fact is even if we'd 'sewn it up' at 3-0 we still would've finished 2nd in the league! Honestly I do worry for some people.


13 Sep 2017 09:34:35
Superred, where in the world is BR a great manager? Cos he almost won us the PL? When has "almost winning something" become and achievement? By that logic, Klopp has 5 more "achievements than say, Wenger as he has lost 5 finals. Come on, man. BR is not a great manager and never has been. In fact, it was his arrogance and inability to know when to fix the change tactics vs Chelsea, that sunk us, not the SG slip.

I am sick of this pathetic narrative (not you, Superred) peddled people esp. by the media, trying to make it look like BR achieved something by great by "almost" winning the PL. He did not win a thing nor get us into a Cup final at home or in Europe while he was here. All he did concretely, is get us into the CL. That is it and nothing more.

Whereas, we have a manager who ACTUALLY won the leagues and Cups in Germany as well as played more finals domestically and in Europe than BR ever did here and some here and in the media, always wanna ask the pathetic question that "Has Klopp taken LFC forward"? Err, YEAH! Is it perfect? No. Can we do better? Yes BUT this narrative is false and needs to end.


13 Sep 2017 09:40:19
Jay dub red, you have got it the wrong way round. After the loss to Chelsea, the only way to pip City was on goal difference, so even at 3-0, we still had to push for more goals, because city's goal difference was a lot better than ours. So don't blame Rogers for not shutting up shop.


13 Sep 2017 09:51:02
Ings we where nvr going to catch city for goals! All we had to do was beat palace not loose to Chelsea! That alone would of put more pressure on cit! Rodgers is a spoofer he's in Glasgow now clearing up in a absolutely shite league! So pipe down.


13 Sep 2017 10:10:12
Jay, before criticisng people you should check your facts; Ings is completely right. Beating Palace was not the point, improving goal difference WAS, hence still pressing at 3-0 rather than shutting up shop.

People talk about Gerrard because it was the last thing that happened to cost us in the title race. What about Toure at West Brom or the moment I felt we lost it was when Mannone made a real howler in the last minute, Sunderland were holding Man City 2-2 then he let's the ball through him to give City the vital 2 points. YOu could even go back to our game at the Etihad. We lost 2-1 but near the end Sterling missed a sitter - that would have won us the title if everything else had happened the same. But everyone moans about Gerrard because it happened later.


13 Sep 2017 11:18:46
Rodgers is still a spoofer facts or not.


13 Sep 2017 14:32:52
Jay Dub is correct. BR is a fraud, a charlatan and a spoofer. He is still talking about the 13/ 14 season like a badge of honor whereas Klopp does not even talk about the CL and EL finals he lost narrowly cos well, real winners are bad losers. BR bottled the PL, end of and it was his incompetence and ego that got him the sack as he thought he could do whatever he wanted just cos he came 2nd in the PL. Pathetic attitude.

He should never be mentioned in the same breathe as Klopp. In fact, the most scathing indictment you could give BR as a manager is that Klopp came in, used BR's players who he trashed all the time in the media, to get us to two Cup finals, made us a force in Europe again and we are now in the CL with some of these same players BR trashed. Klopp all day, for me and twice on Sundays.


 
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