Liverpool Banter Archive October 13 2011
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13 Oct 2011 23:34:35
Team i think should play united
Reina
Kelly Skrtel Carragher Enrique
Kuyt Gerrard Adam Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Johnson, Agger, Lucas, Maxi, Henderson, Bellamy
I would put lucas above adam any day in a big match, specially lucas has been absolutely colossus in recent matches against united.
About carroll i rate the lad but this game bellamy should get the nod ahead of him.
For me this is the biggest match in calender especially at home and i am absolutely obbsessed to get one more against those thumb suckers since they made it 19 and after seeing all those stupid banners. So if we start with line up i propose they would be chasing our asses all day.
Any way king pick the team and all i want is put those nerds to sword.
I think we need Bellamy to start. He can really expose the Smalling/Jones at RB.
Renegadered
My preferred team will be:
Reina
Johnson - Carragher - Agger - Enrique
Downing - Gerrard - Lucas - Bellamy
Kuyt - Suarez
Subs:
Doni, Kelly, Skrtel, Adam, Henderson, Maxi, Carroll.
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
Without LUCAS in the midfield, we will be run over like the people in Pamplona by the bulls
13 Oct 2011 23:33:14
Lebron James at anfeild on sat for man u game
Who? {Ed002's Note - He meant Manchester United.}
Haha liked that 1 ed
At least he should come watch the club he owns a part of.
Would be fun for him if we win. At least he could go ahead and slate his basketball friends who are Manc fans.
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
13 Oct 2011 22:59:56
can i just say blair mayne,ed002 and ed009 are all just legends :) {Ed001's Note - no you cannot!! ;o)}
Ed, get that posters details, there's an autographed picture in it for him. It's the least i can do.
Blair Mayne YNWA {Ed001's Note - if I had his details I would be signing him up for every bit of spam on earth *pouts*}
Blair Bro,
I would not mind an autographed picture of you too.
Eds, could you please upload your pictures somewhere for us, so we could see our editors that spend their time responding to all posts - those worthy of response and those not worthy, all being responded to.
You guys are the bomb. A glass of champagne to you all, esp Ed001, Ed002 and Ed009.
PS: Good to be back on this site.
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
13 Oct 2011 22:35:36
From the BBC website:
"England coach Fabio Capello said he might leave Rooney out of upcoming friendlies to study alternative attacking options with Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe, Danny Welbeck and Bobby Zamora all vying for the lead striker's role"
Carroll mentioned nowhere in the article...either this is an accident or the BBC are flipping ridiculous
Red Ollie
Or Andy Carroll needs to up his game?
Ash
It's not an accident. Carroll is awful. All four of those strikers are better than him.
Matthew...
Doesn't matter if Carroll don't play for England, Matthew. As long as he puts goals past mancs, I'm happy!
SingRed
13 Oct 2011 22:03:19
heard fabio aurelio is fit nearly had a heart attack be careful of the wind fabio could be out for another 6 weeks.DORSET RED
13 Oct 2011 20:47:45
"Liverpool owner John Henry has admitted that he knew "virtually nothing" about the club before taking it over a year ago - but "certainly knew about Manchester United."
From the Guardian.
Werner had the bit about united, learn to read.
:)
McSnuggles
You gotta love Mr Henry's honesty, he is a class act.
Blair Mayne YNWA
I think we should be successful in the U.S. We already have that basketball player who helps promote us but many other stars out there support us. Samuel L Jackson, Angelina Jolie to name a few
Who cares, as long as he makes this club great again!
dmedly
Is a bit of a stupid thing to say. Not a great week in general for the LFC hierarchy. Making us look a bit stupid.
Fensh
What's the problem with a little honesty from John Henry? After 4 years in charge H & G still didn't know a thing about Liverpool Football Club !
Doesn't mean a nickel to me.
All that matters now is he knows a zillion things about us especially things he could make better.
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
13 Oct 2011 20:30:13
I would ask all of you to get off the back of Ian Ayre. He only proposed something which would benefit the club not his wallet.
Again most of u r supporting the likes of bolton, wigan etc. These guys some time last year proposed to have two tier PL with scottish clubs in it. This way they can escapr relegation. If they are entitles to express their opinion which would benefit them then why should not mr.ayre do the same for his club. as i said earlier i dont care about other clubs since they do the same for us. For me only LFC success is important both on field and off field and Ed01 comments to fire the MD is harsh. He has done a lot for this club by bringing a lot of sponsors and even played pivotal role in sending the H&G packed last year where his vote is crucial to overpower the cowboys. He's LFC fan and we should have same courtesy towards him.
ABHI
13 Oct 2011 20:23:35
can i just say this is a liverpool site who cares about international football its rubbish.i was cheering on germany when they beat england so funny how bad they were
craig by the way when has rooney ever been good for england?never done the business for them like he has for club
Spot on mate. All england can say is they have best league and players. But most of them are foreign and make the english players like world beaters. Simply irrespective of ranking any country with good technique on football can smash them to pieces. Their football is that awful. Lack of complete flair and technique. Its far better to watch a 5 day test match in cricket.
But any way liverpool is just class above any team in england except that purple nose and his army are stopping us every time with their tactics. Cant wait for the old b**tard to be kicked out.
13 Oct 2011 20:22:19
I personally would sell kuyt in the summer, IMO he loses the ball far too often, granted he has immense passion and his engine is great! But on the ball? Not for me, Bellamy everytime. Roblfc86
Every game Kuyt has played up front with Bellamy he has been immense, the fact that he is a good player sets a great example, never scared and has a great understanding with Suarez unlike Carroll guarantees his place in the squad. He has the odd off game (losing the ball and complaining with his arms etc) which if you notice is usually after he has played a too many games in a row, Kuyt really does need to be fresh in order to get the best out of him and when he is he passes well and works harder than any other player on the pitch and chips in with goals.
Tons of important goals from Dirk.
HK
You are very right.
I would set my midfield such that Downing plays from right wing, Bellamy from left wing while Suarez & Kuyt are upfront.
Mid-Central would be Skipper Gerrard & Lucas.
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
13 Oct 2011 20:11:42
i got to say but i know dirk may be unhappy with not starting.but he undoubtedly loves the club so i think he will stay hopefully.still good player in my opinion always liked the guy.
I will bet my month's wages that he will start against Man Utd.
Wanna place a bet?
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
13 Oct 2011 19:38:33
Hi eds so could you narrow down this about overseas tv rights if the vote did go against Liverpool is that the end of the matter for know until somebody else brings it up in the future?
Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - I am sure it will only be a matter of time before someone else raises it.}
Not according to the papers lol all the other big 4 were opposed to it i had a chuckle reading that all four of them would jump at the chance to fill there coffers some more its only because public opinion was against it but we know secretly behind closed doors there wishing and hoping they can get this pushed through and now they can say well we wouldnt have done it but liverpool suggested it and it wouldnt be right for us to lose out to them hypocrisy at its finest
giblet
Makes you wonder what the vote would be if all the clubs were honest. I think at least the top 6 would benefit and get more money so I think for that reason alone they would want it. Remember there is no integrity left in this sport. It's all about the money.
MIKEY
13 Oct 2011 19:56:04
So rooney gets a 3 match ban which rules him out of the entire group stage of the euros.
Capello would be taking a huge risk if he picked rooney for the team despite that, so he may well opt to leave ol' looney behind.
All I can say is...
CONGRATS ENGLAND! Ur chances of winning juz improved greatly! Haha
Let's face it. Rooney is a v gd player but how many goals has he scored for england at euro or world cup finals matches? Or how many goals has he scored for man u in a major cup final?
Truly great players turn up at the big games. Like stevie g. Apart from winning cup finals singlehandedly, if i'm not wrong, stevie has been england's top scorer at the last 2 major finals competitions. Playing in a deep-lying role that he doesn't prefer at that.
There are not many very gd players like rooney. But there are only a small handful of players who are truly great. Like stevie g.:-)
Anyway, congrats again england. Hope andy carroll picks up the gauntlet and stasts banging in the goals for liverpool and england.
He's gonna get 20 for us this season. Juz wait and see.:-)
YNWA
Singapore Red
Have to agree entirely with your points about Rooney and I hope Carroll finds the form for Liverpool that will make him first choice for England however at the moment he shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad and certainly not ahead of Crouch (who I don't rate massively but his England stats are superb)
Chris in Tamworth
Truly great players turn up at the big games.
Think Messi and Argentina.... HERBIE(MUFC)
I honestly thought when rooney burst on to the scene he,d be englands top goal scorer he,s been a real dissapointment in a england shirt if he could be 75% effective for england as he his at club level he,d be on 40 goals to be honest im not overly fussed about england ill support them at major tournaments but in my heart i know they,l be coming home as soon as they face a half decent team
Pity rooney has been missing since what about portugal for england
Any truth in the rumour that Rooney had already booked his summer holidays before the Montenegro match and his Dad had the sending off as a double with Merson getting breathalised ?
2 racing certs there I think !
13 Oct 2011 19:37:43
my england team:
-----------------hart---------------------
--walker--jones---smalling--bertrand---------
-----------------rodwell----------------
---------wilshere------henderson--------
-----young------rooney----a.johnson
get rid of the old guard blood in the youth just play this team so they learn together.
Replace henderson with cleverley..
Replace rooney with someone who will be able to play some group games and deffinately drop rodwell and that would be a good hungry team maybe they could ahieve something
giblet
HA HA type this in some other club's site.
Mine is
Bellford
Flanagan Kelly wisdom robinson
Henderson Coady Shelvey Sterling
Morgan Carroll
Replace Walker with Kelly, if Johnson gets stick for being an attacking full back then walker should be too
Now do not laugh, but my own England team would be.....
--------------ED009--------------
-SingaporeRed-SingRed-Mikey-Red Ollie-
--BlairMayne--KeithYNWA--MightyRed--
-- Ed001--Chris in Tamworth--Ed002--
SUBS: The Real Kb, Ash, Huyton Red, Always a Red, Roy, MJ, O'seunfunmi
TEAM MANAGER: MACCA
What a mighty team this would be? We would win the Cup with our mouths and banters. Eds what do you think?
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red) {Ed002's Note - Unfortunately I am not able to play for England.}
13 Oct 2011 19:05:26
{Ed001's Note - I am not keen on the idea of separate TV rights, the only thing it actually does is destroy competitiveness of the league as a whole. We will see teams in the lower leagues struggling more and more. I would be glad to see Ian Ayres removed for this and his support of the 39th Premier League game. He is only thinking of the money and nothing else. It just doesn't sit right with me, we need the lower leagues to be strong, it is the platform that holds up the Prem.}
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A bit harsh Ed001 considering that money have been the main factor of any club success in the EPL since its inception.
Ask yourself will Wigan or Bolton ever be a top 6 club, Blackburn only won it because they had a rich owner who spent millions upon millions, chelsea will still be nowhere if it was nt for Roman ,City the same ... Look back through the premier league years and the only clubs that broke into the top 6 are those that had a massive cash injection from a rich owner or 2.
At least Ian trying to find legitimate business avenues to generate the money (there is competitiveness in that) nothing stopping the likes of Blackpool going abroad and find ways to generate interest in their club.
Roy
Ed001/Ed002, does this idea relate to those of European superleagues as discussed earlier this week? I may have got the wrong impression but you both believed that that was the direction football was heading... which surely by definition would be to the detriment of the Premier League with 4-8 teams not involved/ fielding weakened teams. Surely this would do as much damage as redistribution of TV rights?
I dont want to be stuck in the past but surely a competitive domestic and European competition is ideal for everyone?
Richards {Ed002's Note - It does not relate directly to a pan-European league but such a league would result in all of the television rights being renegotiated. It would also mean the end of UEFA and a re-structuring of the various FAs. No doubt FIFA would ban all of the players, at least initially, from international competition but I am sure we would soon see that change. It is also clear that the significant television money will go with the breakaway league. Like it or not, progress or not, it will eventually happen. I know little about how the talks went this August, but it was again discussed in Monaco.}
Thanks for the answer, even if it's not what I personally want to hear... I guess the Globalisation of football will truly arrive (if it hasnt already) perhaps leading to the death of Lower League and International football...
Richards
13 Oct 2011 18:55:46
I think the uproar over what Ian Ayre said is sooo hypocritical. What he has proposed will allow the top teams compete with the likes of barca and real.
And all the teams and media saying its not fair on the smaller clubs. Have any of them refused a place in the premier league? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the premier league pull the rug on the football league and keep all the money for themselves?
Dave Whealen said it's a disgrace liverpool wanting to strengthen there position at the expense of others yet has no qualms reaping the rewards of the prem despite the fact the prem thrives due to the fact the money doesn't filter down evenly to the lower leagues.
Huyton Red
Here is an additional thought. Maybe it will make the league more competitive and even strengthen the national team.
At the moment it is widely accepted that the only teams capable of winning the league are the 2 manchester clubs or Chelsea. The common theme here? The clubs with the biggest finical clout. Maybe if tv rights were sold separately then financial gap between city/Chelsea and Liverpool/arsenal and possibly spurs would infact close some what.
In addition to this - when city goes for a player the price hikes up. Now if 5 or 6 clubs had massive spending power then it would hike up for them all. With the English player quoter that means the top clubs would be paying the lower clubs massive premiums for there players. Putting an emphysis on youth development and allowing the money to filter down the league to the clubs who - let's face it are never gunna win the league under the current rules or the ones ayre is suggesting.
What Ian Ayres said made me almost embarrassed to be a Liverpool supporter.People like him only see dollar signs and never see the bigger picture. The Premier League is only popular in this country and abroad because it is competitive. A team in any position in the League are capable of beating any other team on any given day, and that's what makes it interesting. Lose that and it is nothing. As for competing with R. Madrid and Barcelona who set up their own deals, maybe if La Liga had similar restrictions in place, their League might not be a boring 2 horse race every year. They may always beat our teams in Champions League but that doesn't mean La Liga is the best.
Instead of trying to emulate them in ripping off money from other teams who are part of the same League, Ayres would be better off helping UEFA to ensure Fair Play rules are enforced to stop teams grabbing the pot of money for themselves or relying on Sugar Daddies to bank roll them to spend beyond their incomes.
redmersey {Ed001's Note - that is exactly how I see it as well.}
I'm not replying to my own post by the way, as I don't often disagree with myself, but just wanted to add something. If we just sit back and allow this type of thing to happen, I guarantee we will have to get used to watching our teams on telly while they play League games abroad. It will start off with one game for each team but, don't kid yourself, it will escalate very quickly. That is where all this is heading.
redmersey
Well said redmersey
Keith YNWA
People talking about most competative league in the world make me laugh. We already have 3 teams capable of out spending everyone.
At the moment the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal can't compete with City so how the hell can Stoke or Bolton? New rules or old rules gaps getting bigger. At least Ayres way would see the bigger clubs pulling ahead rather than just the clubs with the richest owners
13 Oct 2011 18:55:27
So who do you cheer on when Celtic play Liverpool maka?
dmedly
Even though I'm a scot I'll defo be cheering on LFC mate!
maka
Glad to hear it!
dmedly
13 Oct 2011 18:37:03
Hi ED in your opinion who is the top 10 most skilled players in the world at the moment
Thanks ED
MJ {Ed009's Note - Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo, Hazard, Sanchez, Goetze, Ozil, Silva, Pastore, Ganso. I might have missed some, so any other opinions?}
Carragher?DORSET RED
Di Maria and Iniesta are pretty skillful too. I also like Marin.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Suarez is one of the most skilful....but not at football.
Lol suarez above ronaldo......
ronaldo is the most skillful, messi is good at dribbling but he doesn't do skill...
ronaldo, messi, nani, hazard, di maria, neymar, suarez, robinho, aguero, robben
Xavi. .
"messi is good at dribbling but he doesn't do skill"....
I guess scoring, passing and dribbling are no longer skills...let alone the fact he nutmegs more players in one game than most teams do in a season! what's the name of the english kid who won the world skills championship? He surely must get a look in by your logic....
Richards
Robinho? di maria? sorry but i can't see it.
replace them with nani and silva and i begin to understand
13 Oct 2011 18:38:32
ed if city find a replacement for johnson and he became available how much are we talking to tempt citys hand and would he want to come.DORSET RED {Ed001's Note - I am not sure how much they would want, I am sure he would be interested in the move, I have faith in Kenny to sell the club to him. From what I am told about him by friends, he is more interested in regular football and the right atmosphere surrounding the club than the money. He could have waited and left Boro on a free if money was the priority.}
So would you guess at say 15-20m then and if he came up in january would we have the money then to get him?DORSET RED {Ed001's Note - the money is there, it is just very difficult to get the right players in during the January window. I would think 20m should be enough to get him myself, but you can never tell for sure.}
13 Oct 2011 18:25:15
{Ed001's Note - I am not keen on the idea of separate TV rights, the only thing it actually does is destroy competitiveness of the league as a whole. We will see teams in the lower leagues struggling more and more. I would be glad to see Ian Ayres removed for this and his support of the 39th Premier League game. He is only thinking of the money and nothing else. It just doesn't sit right with me, we need the lower leagues to be strong, it is the platform that holds up the Prem.}
I agree with u on this ed. But why should we care apart from our success. Will any of PL or lower league teams would even care if we went into administration last year. And i think teams like everton and spurs would be glad they can make top 4 since we would be virtually gone. I dont care about league and other teams. If there is something which would benifit LFC both on field and off field i would happily take it since it is vice versa. Remember even the PL and referees are against us
Abhi
John Henry and his team are constantly looking for business ventures to benefit LFC's future and finance, so i think it was just one option available that Ian Ayres got abit to over excited about im sure it'll be forgotten about in a few weeks
MJ
Ed, do you think were seeing the true face of FSG now, investing to make a fast buck? Don't get me wrong i've been impressed with them so far.
Muzmacol YNWA {Ed009's Note - No, I don't think they want a fast buck, but they are in this game to make money.}
What are you talking about with competativeness, name the teams in the last 10 years to win the league
Their also in it to win!
dmedly
13 Oct 2011 18:13:58
Eds, I'd be grateful for your thoughts on a recent comment by John Henry.
Sky Sports are reporting this statement by him:
'We certainly have been guilty of overspending on some players, and that can be tied to an analytical approach that hasn't worked well enough."
Assuming he means the players bought since January, which players do you think he might think have not returned value for money?
Bear in mind it is early days for all the new boys, so I'm not judging personally, but JH seems to feel that either DC's or KK's analysis of one or two of these players might not have been accurate in terms of what they've delivered, and I'd be very interested to know your thoughts on whose approach he feels has not given good results?
{Ed009's Note - I would imagine he is talking predominantly about Carroll, with perhaps a small reference to Henderson. I doubt he is blaming anyone personally, simply stating a simple opinion.}
I believe that he is only pointing out the obvious here and as much as I wholeheartedly agree, I do think that making such comments are not helpful. I maybe reading too much into it, but could there be some 'changes' in Jan? You also have to question how much faith he has in the scouting department and how he will rectify it.
Ash
I'm almost certain that statement was taken from an article i read earlier where John Henry was talking about both Liverpool and the Red Sox, and how last year the Red Sox had a very poor finish after buying two new big money players. I would not put it past Sky to edit the article to there liking producing yet another slur on Liverpool.
always a red
13 Oct 2011 18:10:31
so rooney misses 3 england games,geez wish lampard would get a ban,jimmybosun
And Barry....
Richards
13 Oct 2011 17:53:34
Sorry but Ian Ayre (who thus far has been superb) has dropped the ball. If this were to happen, our league would go the way of the spanish. Then the logical conclusion to that happening is the creation of a 'competetive Euro league). Mark my words
Muzmacol Ynwa.
I totally agree Ayre should have kept his opinions to himself. I for one would hate the smaller clubs getting less TV money because the big 5 or 6 will find it easy to get points if they cant afford decent players to compete against them.
The league would be less competitive and at the moment its the best in the world.
we should have bought a top asain player like honda then we would be able to enter the huge asain market instead of swindling money from smaller clubs.
Redraj
3 teams have won the premier league in the last 10 years and 2 have in spain, wheres the big difference? Thing is barca and real are just pulling further and further away and hwere letting them by not improving our revenues, the competativeness of the premier league went out the window years ago, it's just the likes of wigan or stoke might get a result against a big team and they brand it competative.
More than 2 teams have won the La Liga in the last 10 years btw {Ed001's Note - and the other team, Valencia, have virtually destroyed themselves to do so.}
13 Oct 2011 17:32:27
Ed,
Further to the tv rights situation.
What was the score with the Portsmouth landlady?
She was screening a Greek football stream wasn't she?
But presumably that Greek broadcaster would have paid Sky or ESPN money to receive the football programme in the first place.
It was only her, as an individual, that tapped into that streaming. That was not deemed illegal, as she is a European citizen and it was ruled she had a right to receive the stream from any another European broadcaster.
Could not then a pirate broadcaster capture another European stream and share it to its audience?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - In simple terms her showing the games was not illegal but where it goes horribly wrong for her (or will) is that she cannot show copyrighted material - e.g. the Premier League logo - which has been licensed to be shown in Greece only under the terms of the agreement. So eventually that case will fail.}
In theory then, could that copyright protection make free internet streaming of the games illegal also ?
As we stand now (before any seperate streaming agreement is reached).
The Real KB
13 Oct 2011 17:31:54
Whatever our views on the much publicised comments by Ian Ayre this week, it certainly brought out the usual Liverpool FC haters in the media and press, particularly those based in London, reference Martin Samuel (apparently Chelsea now have more fans in Asia and worldwide than Liverpool -CRUD!), various newspapers and Talksport as usual etc. No mention of the leveraged buyout by Hicks and Gillett causing the debt that nearly took us into administration. You'd think it had been caused by massive overspending on players. Liverpool was so prudently run before February 2007.
Funny the criticism aimed at Liverpool. No such complaints when City were practically given a world class taxpayer funded stadium and again no much investigation into how one plastic football club from west London can be taken over by a man who in a litttle over 10 years went from peasant status to be worth £10.3bn thanks to basically knowing Boris Yeltsin's daughter.
And just wait til the weekend if there's a contentious decision involving Suarez, for example a dive, bad tackle on or against. Remember Ferguson laying into Carragher for his tackle on Nani last season.
If you dig a little deeper into abramovich you'll see he has spent a lot of time in the selling of firearms and narcotics business
MJ
13 Oct 2011 16:20:47
Hi eds is there any chance of liverpool making a big signing in January e.g cavani, lavezzi, gotze? {Ed002's Note - I really don't think there is any chance.}
Why do you even bother asking? A. Johnson for prob 30m is the best we can hope for as he is english.
13 Oct 2011 15:21:11
hi ed, great site, a question for you, many of your responses regarding transfer movement in the summer say that dirk kuyt is likely to leave, what makes you so sure of this?
cheers {Ed001's Note - I am not sure of it, I have simply been told that he is likely to be the man making way in the summer, when/if we bring in a new striker. Nothing is 100% yet, it is still only October, but that, I am told, is the long term aim.}
He's on a year long contract and is in his early 30s. It's a nice position we're in with Kuyt; if we sign another striker in the summer, he can be sold and there will be buyers for at least 5million. But he is good enough and dedicated enought that it's no disaster if we don't bring anyone in
Red Ollie
Would he be replace with someone like luk de jong ed?DORSET RED {Ed001's Note - possibly, he is certainly a player that the club has taken an interest in this season.}
Now suddenly van Wolfswinkel is the sh#t because Utd are after him. We could have bought him last summer!! He is a talent.
No, no one on this site ever wanted Wolfswinkel from when he was first linked in July 2010. He's awful generally and was embarrassingly bad at Anfield in November - the only reason he's getting some column space now is because he's scored a good few goals in a terrible league this season.
Martin
I'd still take Kuyt, he has been a great servent, gives every game his all and does well. To be frank, if Carra still stays why not Kuyt?
Most of you didnt want van Wolfswinkel but he will go to Utd and become a legend. Boy is class, u judged him on 1 game. Point I was making. {Ed001's Note - he was average (at best) for years in a very poor league, I didn't judge him on 1 game and still think he is awful. He reminds me a lot of Walcott, terrible player but has pace so everyone thinks he is great.}
13 Oct 2011 15:11:29
Why are people banging on about the competativeness of the premier league, correct me if im wrong but its the same teams year in year out winning the league, look at the last 10 years.
Yes but on any given day any team can beat any team. That can't happen in La Liga without Rooney Snr being involved....
Oh wow so a small club gets a result against a big team once on a blue moon, still doesn't effect the league winners, what's competitive about that, they still have no chance at all at winning the league
Generally the games in the Premier League are more competitive... of course the bigger clubs generally have the best players so logic dictates that usually they come out on top, in particular over a season.... but the quality of players in the so called smaller clubs has improved tremendously in the last 10 years, which overall makes games far more competitive (largely).
Richards
13 Oct 2011 15:00:43
With Agger back into the squad I really think we can use him to get to United and start our offensive runs from the back.
My team for Saturday: (3-5-2)
GK: Reina - Automatic choice
CB: Skrtel
CB: Carragher
CB: Agger
RWB: Kelly
LWB: Enrique
RCM: Gerrard
CM: Lucas
LCM: Adam/Downing
ST: Suarez
ST: Kuyt/Carroll/Bellamy
Reina
Skrtel----Carra---Agger
Kelly-------------Enrique
-----------Lucas----------
----Gerrard----Adam/Downing
Suarez---Carroll/Kuyt/Bellamy
Thoughts?
Renegadered
-----------------Riena--------------------Kelly------Carragher---Agger---Enrique ----------------------------------------Henderson--Adam------Lucas----Downing ----------------Gerrard---------------------------------Suarez------------------
Strong in midfield with Gerrard dropping back when we're not in possession and Suarez alone up front to frighten the life out of Vidic with his pace and trickery just like Torress used to.
JRG
Why play 5 defenders at home? You'll say Kelly and Enrique can get forward, but we'll need to defend our wings. For me, Young and Nani are their dangermen and we should double up on them. I assume Agger won't play, if he doesn't then I would play:
Reina
Kelly-Carra-Skrtel-Enrique
Kuyt-Gerrard-Lucas-Adam-Downing
Suarez
But it's a close call whether to play Adam or Carroll for me
Red Ollie
That's the first and last time I attempt to post a team and formation!
JRG
Like Red Ollie's team but I think we need to unleash big Andy on them!!! Adam to miss out. Stevie and Lucas in CM.
Vidic will have a field day playing against Carroll - that's what Vidic' game is all about, strong and aggressive in the air. Where he struggles is against pace and movement, remember how Torres used to destroy him? I would plat Suarez up front with Gerrard in behind but if we do play two up then Bellamy.
JRG
13 Oct 2011 14:28:51
With regards to the tv rights, would it not work if lfc tv showed the matches ppv? Make the channel free, but show every match through the season and charge ppv for each game obviously big games cost more than small ones, I'm
Not talking about 15 quid like when you etch boxing just a couple of quid.
Frank warren has a new channel out for the boxing so could we not do something similar? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are already contracted under the existing sceme.}
13 Oct 2011 14:03:34
Kenny has confirmed we are 100% injury free; will our bench be stronger than Utd's on Saturday?
If it is will the sky sports pundits admit it?
Does the mean that Agger will start? Hope so.
JRG
Expect it to be a fearce match though, they will want to win it after we whooped em last time
MJ
I thought he said Agger was out? I have a serious concern at RB with Kelly & Johnson - both 1 sprint away from another hammie. Maybe we should just play Flanno and give him time to settle. He is a talent.
That doesn't make any sense mate. Gerrard is also potentially 'one sprint away from doing his hammy' - maybe we shouldn't ever play him again to make sure this never happens! And the same with Aurelio and Carroll and you never know, Suarez may potentially possibly break his legs while getting tangled in an opponents legs after nutmegging him - I wouldn't play him, just to be safe.
Martin
It does make sense mate. No good having players who are constantly injured. i would have got rid of Aurelio 2 years ago. If Johnson carries on playing only 20% of the games this season I would get rid too. Great defenses come from consistently playing together and creating an understanding. How can we have that with Agger/Aurelio/Johnson??
13 Oct 2011 13:58:09
Worth a read :-
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/12/liverpool-boston-red-sox-henry
I thought Tom Werner was a Liverpool fan?
Werner is a fan of money. Simples.
13 Oct 2011 13:50:49
Great post Waro. I agree with everything you say. If we go ahead and negotiate our individual tv deals all it means is more money for over rated players wages. They would not think twice about dropping season ticket prices say one hundred quid for your average person would they. Its all greed, greed, greed!
13 Oct 2011 13:53:03
Are the ed's from this page the same ed's that do the all teh otehr footballing pages?
Adzii {Ed002's Note - Yes, but there are Eds who don't do certain clubs.}
13 Oct 2011 13:52:24
Ed I was on the radio this morning that Ian ayre saying " if we extend Anfield then that will plunge us into a massive debt that we currently cannot afford but naming rights for a new stadium makes more logic business sense that will not put the club into such a hole".. Is this a clue that we are getting a new stadium? Is this also a clue that a sponsor is almost ready for the naming rights?
Ed what's your info your end? {Ed002's Note - I don't know what Ian Ayre has said but I have a feeling you may not have gotten the gist of whatever it is. There are certainly no secret messages. There are five options as I see it: (1) New build to an existing “approved” design commissioned by the previous owners. This has the benefit of being the quickest and most economic way forward as far as a new build goes and I recall the fans being impressed with the designs. (2) New build to the design of an existing stadium (e.g. the Allianz Arena). This would save considerably on architects fees but may prove problematic in other areas – but may be more viable than folks realise. (3) New build to a completely new design. It will cost considerably more and take much longer to go down this route. This has to be a high-risk option. (4) Redevelopment of Anfield to add 12-15k seats that FSG would like to see. Economically this would seem to be the option that would give the best return on investment, but this is the option that is hampered by local planning regulations. My feeling is that this is seemingly the option that most fans would prefer. (5) A phased improvement and redevelopment of Anfield to bring the stadium up to code and to perhaps add some additional seating. This would provide a medium term solution that only moves the real issue to the right, but it would possibly facilitate the inclusion of the full quota of additional seating at a later date.
My assumption was always that any naming right deal would be for a new build and not for a redeveloped Anfield. I don't know if anything has changed in respect of that but it could potentially be something that would PO the fans. I also don't know if FSG are actively trying to find a way to overcome planning regulation restrictions that would allow them to eventually add the additional seating at Anfield that they desire. Building a new stadium is going to mean a very large loan being taken on and even though sponsorship will cover much of the cost year on year, it can possibly be seen as an albatross that FSG may not want hanging around their neck.
My own view at this time is that the club will look at a phased improvement of Anfield hoping that a way can be found to add the additional seating in the not too distant future.}
Maybe Ayre should shut it for a while?
Im not sure what he said today but redevelpoing anfield will still be very expensive and will require financing with a mortgage just like a new build only without naming rights to help pay for it {Ed001's Note - not true, it can be done bit by bit, so that a small increase in capacity would provide the extra income needed to find the next increase.}
Ian ayre has already confirmed that talks over the financing of a redevelopment are ongoing should we decide to go down that route and you must also remember that while work is being carried out there will be be a significant loss of ticket revenue.So while it is perhapse possible to do a slow bit by bit redevelopment it does look unlikely.
TED
13 Oct 2011 13:34:33
Anyway moving on from the Ayre story......
I think Henderson should start in Midfield, I think we need his engine instead of Adam, The Last few times we have beaten United is because of the Unbelievable pressing on Uniteds ordinary Centre Midfield. I also think Downing should play on the Right, Personally i don't like him and Enrique on the same side because it becomes incredibly predictable because they are both heavily dependant on their left foot(particularly Jose) I would also play Bellamy over Kuyt, he offers similiar work rate with MUCH higher quality IMHO.
---------Gerrard---Lucas--Henderson------
---Downing-------Suarez---------Bellamy---
The back four picks itself. Big fan of Andy but just don't think this is a game for him to start, got a good feeling he might score though......
Liverpool 2 - 1 United
Jatt YNWA
If all fit, Kenny's team would be:
Reina
Johnson - Carra - Agger - Enrique
Gerrard (Henderson)- Lucas - Adam - Downing
Suarez - Carroll
Or so I think....
13 Oct 2011 13:06:34
Sadly Ayers comments mirror football in general now GREED!!
I have been a season ticket holder for 26 years now and I am starting to slowly care less and less about the game because of the gulf in players wages compared to the working man and there off the field antics. I am finding it harder and harder to afford my season ticket each year and you have players on lottery style wages who give the impression they class the fans as after thoughts at best, you may get the odd exception but I would say 95% of them are wrong'uns.
Waro
I think judging by what Ed002 said yesterday Ian Ayre's words have been totally taken out of context. From what i understand (and i could be very wrong) Sky have a deal in place with the Premier League giving each club a fixed amount lets say £15m a year for television rights. They then sell the games abroad making huge amounts of money that doesn't filter down to the football clubs, i think this is what Ayre wants to change allowing that money to go to the clubs. Again i could be very wrong.
Anyway enough talk about money the game on Saturday is more important, honestly can't wait i wonder what odds i'd get for 2-1 Liverpool and Stevie to score.
always a red {Ed002's Note - It is not quite like that, but the point is that in addition to the money that Sky provide and ESPN provide and the EPL get in direct sales, ESPN and Sky raise very large amounts of money through their channels being broadcast in other countries - e.g. Fox carries the EPL games in the US through an agreement with ESPN. If clubs were allowed to negotiate separately then it would be beneficial to some clubs. Keep in mind that the statement by Ayres and the statement by Werner are not supported by any sort of detailed proposal at this time.}
I would rather pay £10 week and watch all liverpool games live on tv with all the money going back to the club than pay £50 for 1-2 liverpool games a month to sky, im not interested in any other PL club and if I want to see any games, I can watch MOTD, the only reason we pay for sky is the footy, so why do I have to pay for Norwich Vs WBA Arsenal Vs Tottenham when im not interested in their club,players,manager or fans. ajw
Ok cheers ed i get it now, the only problem with it though is as you say some clubs will benefit from it and some won't. It would probably make the big club richer and leave the rest even further behind resulting in a very boring league.
always a red {Ed002's Note - If anything happens before a pan-European split from the FAs and UEFA it will likely see a number of clubs negotiating their own deals and the rest opting for collective bargaining. I suspect nobody will be worse off, some will be a little better of and a few will be a great deal better off. Like it or not, it is business and changes will come at some point.}
13 Oct 2011 12:47:40
hi ed,just a observation,kk wants to sign more midfielders because he wants to imitate the free scoring team of the 80s.they used to score from every conceivable position.kk will get us there.
How about some attacking players with skill and pace? Would be a start.
How many more midfielders does he want?
13 Oct 2011 12:40:04
Individual rights will happen, it will just take a little more time. You all have to see the bigger picture here. The future of TV is over the internet, & the current TV channels including Sky could become irrelivant, in fact Google could be bidding for the rights in the future. Don't think for one minute that the Glaziers don't know this also, their annoyance with LFC is that we have bolted a bit too early.
Josek
Peter Kenyon tried it whilst he was CEO of United, in 2003. He was out voted 19-1, these Mancs coming on here slagging us off, should look a bit closer to home 1st.
Blair Mayne YNWA
These Mancs have very short memories. Most of them conveniently forget the 70's and 80's.....
Yes, the 70s and 80s are a distant memory for you too.
13 Oct 2011 11:55:29
hi eds
any news about brazilian players coming in jan/summer?
pragyan {Ed002's Note - No.}
Yes, because they Brazilian they must be class. Look at Lucas.
I hear the Argentinians are the one's to go for. They very loyal.
I don't appreaciate your poorly executed sarcasm because Lucas is the best DM in the league by a distance, so your point is effectively moot.
Martin
13 Oct 2011 11:08:36
One thing has been missed by most on here, regarding the Ayre comments. It proves that the club is working really hard to increase revenues behind the scenes.
What a difference that makes from the hopeless Hicks & Gillett, Plick Parry, David Moores crew we had before then who just did not have a bloody clue.
If we are to be successful on the pitch then off it we must also ensure we leave no stone unturned.
This will mean, however the club looking at issues or ways that, at times doesn't sit comfortably with the majority of football loving fans. This is the price we have to pay in the modern World to keep ahead and at the top of the pile.
I can remember Sky, many years ago trying and failing to set up 'season ticket' channels for individual clubs. It was booted out before it had the chance to gain any momentum.
Would i rather pay Liverpool for a TV season ticket or Sky? You bet your sweet ass i would.
As Chris in Tamworth alluded to earlier, we are now in the environment of Companies as football clubs. This goes with territory.
Bob the Red
PS Lovely to see Alex back on this site. How's your pimms this bright and beautiful morning in Surrey? {Ed002's Note - Actually Bob, whatever you may think of Hicks & Gillett, they did a good job in bringing in commercial revenue to the club through sponsorship.}
Whilst Ed002 is factually correct. It says more for the failings of Parry and Moores that up until 2007, our commercial department was still being run from the first floor of The Sandon pub!
It goes to show how pitiful these two were when this is their only 'success'. However before Ed002 beats his chest, i'm being flippant. They increased commercial revenue substantially from what it was, which was pitiful. FSG are continuing, and dare i say improving drastically, the efforts to get us on a financial par that our footballing status decrees :)
However 'good job' is not a phrase that springs to mind with H&G
Bob the Red
You are quite right Sir Bob the Red!
13 Oct 2011 10:46:37
I would NOT take Rooney to the Euros. People have short memorys, remember the last world cup, he was hopeless and he more or less put two fingers up to the England fans. And as far as Alex Ferguson praising him for his recent conduct . . . well!
That's hardly fair mate. Who would you take as your main striker then? Cos Andy Carroll sure won't make an impact. This is what i hate about you pool fans. Rooney is clearly the best english striker out there at the moment. You guys would rather let a club rivalry get in the way of our national teams success. We won't ever win anything internationally unless club rivalries are let go. Dont get me wrong i dislike stevie G cos he is a liverpool player, but saying that i think he deserves a place in the squad over Lampard. As he is the BETTER player.
RedDevil92
I actually agree that Rooney is the best English strikers, but club rivalries aren't what's holding us back
RedDevil92 - so big Andy can't make an impact but toupee granny's boy will? What has he done previously in big competitions? F#all. Perhaps its Andy's chance.
13 Oct 2011 10:02:32
Ed009 totally disagree with you when was the last rooney played well for England looks a completely different play to when he plays club football. His head is not right when England play.
England need a squad pulling together in the Euros its not about star players. England have been down that root before with rooneys metatarsal and always taking injured players to tournaments and players who are controversial, the rugby is another fine example.
If suspended for more than one game he shouldnt go and they should gel a team together without him.
Mighty reds
You see what you want to see. I think he's been playing consistently well in England's last few games (before Montenegro)
Red Ollie
To sum up rooney the apple didnt fall to far from the tree.
Granny Smith Apples apparently...
Fensh
13 Oct 2011 09:45:12
ayres point of view is because how an earth are liverpool going to compete with the likes of man city, who can just get a 400 million sponsorship deal out of thin air ...it is our only option to get these individual tv rights to boost our revenues ....the bottom line is the premier league will die and there will be a european super league and if we want to survive as a brand we must be in it !
You need a two thirds vote from the epl teams and that won't happen!
13 Oct 2011 09:40:05
Rooney has only scored 1 goal in 7 years for England at a major tournament so I agree I would not take him. And by the way I would not take Andy Caroll either.
Peter Crouch finds the net for England, as does Defoe. Stevie G is a shoe in for the Looney role.
ND
13 Oct 2011 09:19:47
I hope Rooney gets a 3 match ban today. If so I would NOT take him to the Euros and it would give big Andy a chance. {Ed009's Note - Bit silly to wish arguably our best player out of the tournament?}
I'd rather he go, play brilliantly for England, then be really tired and have a Euro hangover next season...
Richards
Hi who really cares about rooney or england for that mattter his family says it all,england are useless with or without him,to repeat myself i dont care about the national team they are a embarrassment,lets talk about liverpool.(godin)
England are useless without Rooney AND Gerrard. When Gerrard is fit he can slot into the role behind the striker and we don't lose much; I'd even say (whisper it) we were slightly better
Red Ollie
13 Oct 2011 09:13:28
Quite agree, we do not want a gap between the rich and poorer clubs becoming greater. Why does Ian Ayres have to come out spouting his mouth about this cos its making us look like big time charlies!
So Liverpool should simply allow themselves to remain behind the other top teams in financial terms then.
Red Owl
13 Oct 2011 08:16:33
As a lifelong Liverpool supporter I do not agree with Ian Ayres proposal (or is he being pushed by our American owners?) for individual tv deals. As people have posted it will make the gap between the rich and the poorer even greater and lets face it we do not want this in football. We have seen what happens in La Liga please do not let this happen in England.
A financial chasm already exists due to the recent years of inflationary spending on wages and fees by the two Manchester teams and Chelsea. All Liverpool are trying to do is close the gap, and surely that would be beneficial to the competitiveness of the Premier League, rather than detrimental.
Red Owl
Hi I agree a friend who supports burnley said their fans went to games to see the stars of other teams,not really expecting a win ,yes the gap is already there we have to remain one of the teams they want to watch.
13 Oct 2011 05:19:22
Ed002! I'm surprised u know about mio tv! Oh how I hate mio tv!
Everybody here was alrdy paying a ransom to starhub for the footie and then mio had to come in and start a bidding war.
Think it didn't quite work for them tho, cos many ppl I noe chose to watch at pubs, coffeeshops and mcdonalds (yeah, many mcdonalds outlets in singapore have live PL broadcasts-cool or what? Haha).
Anyway, let's all keep everything in perspective. We need to focus on what's impt.
And that's beating the mancs on sat!
The church I go to (which has over 20000 mbrs) may screen e game live on our 15-foot large screen afta the saturday svc, which will end shortly b4 kickoff. Talk about football being a religious experice. Haha
Hmm, quite cool isn't? Live footie at mcdonalds and in church. Haha
I predict a 3-1 win w big andy getting at least 1 goal.
Come on you Reds!
YNWA
Singapore Red
Thank you for that post - I feel like I just learned something! Not a fan of church or Maccy D but it'd be a great way to catch the game if you can't be at home or in the pub.
ND
13 Oct 2011 01:16:52
Mats hummels, young dortmund centre half, is being watched at the moment by all the top clubs, won't be eager to leave the bundesliga. He would be a natural replacement for carra, and if coates reaches his potential wow what a partnership that could be.
I say give the young lads a chance. Wilson, Wisdom even Kelly is essentially a CB.
Agreed, we should be working on our academy boys. they can be class. Now, Kelly and flanno are the best examples.
13 Oct 2011 00:43:52
G'day Ed & everyone else!
Just wondering if you or anyone has heard what the Man Utd fans (glory bandwagon riders) are planning for Saturday ? I have heard a few people say that they are going to do something during YNWA before the start of the match, apparently look to the sky? Maybe a plane with a banner or something ?
Aussie red {Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}
Who cares
If they have planned something then the only way to retaliate if you must, sing louder!
Sing it as loud as you can til your lungs burst, if they see we aren't bothered then the jokes on them
Ashy
Its just a banner from a plane , with 19 times on it.