Liverpool Banter Archive February 13 2013

 

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13 Feb 2013 23:02:19
If it was up to me I would make all the players read sun Tzu's the art of war, to get them fired up with a winning mentality. Which we lack, after all the pitch is like a battlefield

Red Juggernaut

I have thought the same things many times in the last couple of years. I believe that most of the disagrees come from those who do not understand the subject matter implied within the book.
Scouse_Pride

That would accomplish what exactly? I don't think the logistics of how to wage a war in the 8th century is going to help us much

How about 'The Art Of Managing Properly', or 'The Art Of Being Paid Millions To Play For LFC, So Get Your Bloody Act Together Sunshine'.

Flidwithaquid

 

 

13 Feb 2013 22:47:35
Liverpool fans have always been up there with the best fans in the world, what I find sad is how it seems that all the hope and life has been sucked out of our once great fans, watching Liverpool at anfield is now not the same as it once was, no atmosphere no vibe no belief it's almost as if we have all giving up, lads come on let's start by singing from start to finish and show these players and remind them who they are playing for, why we did so well in the cl was part down to the fans at home games.

we don't have to like the manager or rate a player but we represent our club and everyone who have supported us and can't be here to give that support, if nothing else let's just do it for ourselves, it's so quiet at anfield these days and I do understand why but we have the power to change this, let's give these players some confidence and then see how they preform because something has to change and we are the ones who can change it, why don't we just try it and see if we can create an atmosphere that frightens the opponents and rises our players. Managers, players they come and go but we are supporters for life so surely it is up to us to make something happen in a positive way.

We have all given up team and crowd as always we have to wait for next year as we believe things will only get better but then next year comes and things get worse. red mick tag ynwa

I've posted similar to this quite a few times.
The home crowd is nearly always outsung by the away support these days.
I get replies about wanting to be inspired by the team etc etc.
That is just rubbish!
Create the wall of noise. Become the fabled 12th man again. suck the ball into the net. make Anfield the intimidating atmosphere it always used to be.

It's human nature the players are tense the crowd are tense.
There's nothing like playing some exciting football and scoring a few goals to get the crowd going.
It's difficult when your at the game and you groan at another pass back to Reina. It doesn't exactly make you feel singing.
Real and Manutd hardly passed the ball back to the keeper all night in last nights CL and both sides were desperate not to lose.

kidmillions

14 Feb 2013 08:35:15
Yea, you were only singing during d glory days. Real plastic fans.
SpursMe.

Football grounds in general are quieter than they used to be, it's not just Anfield.
But this tends to be because the working man is priced out of the game and corporate spivs and day trippers pay the most money.

Its been quiet for years bar the bigger games, united, bitters etc and some european nights. Why the big issue now?
FowlerisGod

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:44:48
Ed002 I know it's not Liverpool related but I saw a few months back you said Mourinho had an open offer from a football club, is there any chance you could tell us who?

Thanks.

Plymouth Red. {Ed002's Note - The offeer was from PSG.}

Now, I think Man City will be looking at making Jose their new manager with Mancini looking like he's out of ideas.

Pep went with Bayern's offer and I think City will be looking at Mourinho with a big sack of money.

I wonder who Chelsea are lining up for next season? Jurgen Klopp? Joachim Low? going to be interesting with the managerial reshuffle going around elsewhere for once.

Roman wants Klopp but he won't be moving for at least a couple of years.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 22:50:00
Who cares about real Madrid, u18s were quality tonight
FowlerisGod

 

 

13 Feb 2013 20:49:51
Just got my tickets for the Zenit game at Anfield. In the KOP :) Here's hoping we don't get battered tomorrow.

BR3AD1234

 

 

13 Feb 2013 20:43:56
If PSG are willing to part with Sahko, I feel he would be a great buy. He and Howdes would both be a great addition to this club as we need help defensively. I see Skrtel moving on in the summer. Hope Pepe goes as well. Need a New goalie, ter Stegen would be ideal, but who knows what the summer will bring. Thanks for your work/website, Jordan

 

 

13 Feb 2013 20:38:29
Fair play to the mancs. coulda scored 2 or 3 but madrid will come on strong now

13 Feb 2013 22:25:17
Fergie is very, very smart manager he has got one of the weakest midfield but played counter attacking style to cover their weaknesses and now they have fantastic chance to progress this is what a good manager does, he played to his player strength rather then play rigid systeam and expose your players or cry in media saying you don't have enough players after spending more then 60M who are warming our bench.
No matter what a good manager always finds solution to counter the opposition with different styles or tactics this is what football is all about. Sad thing is we are stuck with manager who only knows to play one style, big shock is when we are 1-1 or losing and only 20 minutes are left he still continues playing sideways and backwards instead of going direct.

I totally agree. as much as I really hate ferguson
the dude doesn't have the best individual players for the positions. but he is tactically astute and very good at ensuring players play above themselves and get wins. can't fault the guy

Hey Anonymous poster with no b***s. would you answer below questions?

1) Are you comparing Slur Alex and BR in same breath? 25 years at the helm of a single club speaks volumes about stability, experience of extreme lows and highs, confidence and authority which he has instilled in his team.

2) For how many years BR has been at helm of Liverpool before you start comparing and slating him.

3) Do BR has to pay the price for our impatience and barren run of 20 years without a shot at PL title?

4) Were you not on BR bandwagon after strong performance away to Arsenal and Man City? Harping on 'We can get 4th" and now a loss has dashed your hopes so let's slay BR.

5) 20 shots, missed penalty, dominant possession and Pepe got a sleep over for 82 minutes. Now if you want to slay then slay Agger for losing his marker for both goals. Slay Gerrard for missing penalty. Praise Foster for making outstanding saves.

No but you won't slay them because they have been hardcore Liverpool players in and out.

What has BR done wrong?

1) Reduced overall wages by moving high waged, older players.

2) Gave invaluable experience/exposure to likes of Sterling, Wisdom, Suso, Shelvey etc

3) Got the best out of Hendo, Downing, Enrique by making them fight for their places.

4) Got few exciting signings sturridge, coutinho, assaidi, allen. Okay jury is still out on Borini but be fair lad hasn't got a run of even 3 games together.

5) When our team has given it all we have hammered teams which are below us and we have played teams off the park most times which are above us ( ManU, ManCity, Tottenham, Everton).

But I am sure some of you will still have reasons to slay and moan.

Indian with Red Heart

What has BR done wrong?

1) signed poor players
2) picked youth ahead of experience, probably because he is young and inexperienced too.
3) Messed about with the team too much. Good managers come in and improve a team and gradually instil new concepts. Similar to what Wenger did at Arsenal. Rodgers has taken a sledge hammer to a walnut. Probably because he only has one idea and didn't know how to develop the team without complete revolution.
For example take the defence we had a very effective defence. Now the same players look clueless. How does that happen? The manager changes too much too soon.

My main issue with Rodgers is he is lacking in ability. His system has no flexibility. He thinks you can pass a team to death. You can if you're Barcelona in la Liga playing against rubbish sides every other week. But we're not Barcelona and we play in the premier league. Does he really think he knows more than Wenger? Wenger has played tippy tappy football for 8 years and won nothing!
Does he really think he knows more than Fergie? Fergie doesn't play tippy tappy all match, he knows it's not always effective.
Does he really think he knows more than Mourinho who didn't play tippy tappy?
It's about playing effective efficient football. Not kick and chase for 90 minutes. But equally not pass it sideways for 90 minutes.
Problem with Bren is I think he does think he knows more than these other managers. It's time to grow up and accept that you're not always right Brendan. Learn from your mistakes.

{Ed002's Note - His system was described by one player as "the six seconds of panic" which related to what has to happen when the ball is lost.}

We seem to be good at panicking in defence.

14 Feb 2013 11:23:48
this is the best reply of the day. completly agree.
What was he thinking when he was choosen for the job?
fans expectaions, big club. revenue.
he is not managing swansea anymore.
we need titles, Cl, money, fame, class players. and that's what big clubs are.
He can't attract wuality players. its simple.
Someone rightly said. Mourinho, Pep, sir alex, doenst need CL to atrtract world class players.
they come just play with these managers. and that's why they are chased by big clubs.

Great post indian with a red heart and am sure the future is bright if we are patient.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 19:54:46
I really hope brenden hasn't lost the dressing room. but I think he has to many things just don't seem right the biggest one carrager retiring if carra had trust in the manager and believed in his ideas he would play till he was 50.

the way andy Carrol was treated must of got to the players. downing said last week he rogers telling him he could leave was a kick up the backside but he didn't agree it should of been done threw the press I have never herd any of the players come out and say how good rogers is as a manager. I think if they were asked honestly they would say he's a person and going back to carra.

I believe he could do a far better job then rogers and if he was manager he wouldn't come out on Monday night saying his players gave there all he would of said they were rubbish and it won't happen again get carra in that job and John Aldridge as his no2

The biggest example of selective hearing I have ever seen.
every interview that a player has been asked about rodger, they have said about how happy the are about the direction we are going in.

KUMBER

Go to bed, Peppa Pig is on tomorrow morning.

DaveyBootle

He was slagging Rodgers about how rodgers went public on downing and then slagged him for not criticizing the players.
derryred

I haven't got selective hearing have you ever herd any of our experienced players praise rogers? I haven't

Well there not going to say he doesn't know what he's doing are they Kumber. Carra retiring says it all really.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - yes, it says Carra has realised that he can't cope physically with playing regular first team football in the Prem. Nothing to do with Rodgers.}

Gerrard praised him when he was on Goals on Sunday

 

 

13 Feb 2013 19:23:50
Reading my past posts you would see I'm clearly against changing players positions but with agger it looks like defensive mid could be an option for him. Key atributes for a defensive mid: positioning, stamina, reading of the game, strength, decision making and tackling. Agger has all of these and is good on the ball, the only drawback would be that having agger and lucas in the midfield could make us too defensive.

All in all I think that putting agger in midfield could either work perfectly and become perminant, or work similarly to the enrique situation and help agger regain his form.

Lil Red

Have you watched Agger play, he's very left sided, anyone going past him to his right side he tackles with his wrong foot, his left? So how the do you think a player like that can play in midfield.
Agger is a great left sided defender but very limited as to what other positions he could play.

kidmillions

I don't think Aggers vision or passing is up to scratch for such an important position.

Liverpres

Been saying Agger should play there for ages mate!
I really think he'd be excellent there, Kelly and a new signing behind him?

Peter M

Positioning for a defensive midfielder is different to the positioning of a center half.
derryred

I said it all along move him into midfield, good idea!
thes mell

Were losing 2 CD in the summer with Cara retiring and Skrtel looking like he is going.

Starting over with no experienced EPL CD is just mad, were basically asking for teams to have a pop at us.

Gill

 

 

13 Feb 2013 19:11:56
When we played West Brom the other night we didn't have Sturridge available, Suarez played but the longer the game went on the more you realised he really should have been rested after playing and travelling to a midweek International against Spain of all sides, it doesn't get any more difficult. No wonder he looked drained.
Brendan Rodgers should have realised this and kept Luis on the bench and just like he's always saying be Brave, he should have been with his team selection, he could have given Borini his chance upfront had a quiet word no Suarez and Sturridge here's your chance, take it son.
Knowing that Luis if needed in the last 20, he would never let you down.
When you look at that situation on Monday it's not defenders we need it's another 3 forward players that can come into the team score and compete for a place.

kidmillions

Understand what your saying, but can you imagine the uproar, not starting Luis, and then losing. Be even worse than it is now.
Gaz b

If rodgers had gone that way, he would have been ripped apart on here for not picking the right line up, he would also be accused of putting the europa league ahead of a top4 finish.

IMO if we played that game 10 times over we would win it 9 out of 10 times.

we were suppierer in every aspect of the game to west brom, rodgers got his tactics spot on. the only reason we conceded was because lfc need the win and committed to many players forward to try and get the goal we needed. if the penalty went in there was a good chance that west brom would not had any shot at goal to our 19 minimum.
the best team does not always win but the good teams can grind out wins when they are not playing well.
the br future is still bright in my eyes.

KUMBER

I love in doha and was watching the spain game live. He definitely shouldn't be tired. Spain had the ball all the time and suarez was just walking around. One of he worst games iv seen. Even spain were poor. Managed
To acore a few but the rest of the match was rubbish.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:35:59
Ahoy - and please stop calling for BR to be removed from his job and throwing criticism about his transfer policy and playing style as a justification for sacking him.

If BR was replaced, the first team to start under a new manager would span 6 different LFC managers - Houllier - Rafa - Roy - Kenny - BR - new manager.

We will never instill a consistent message, style or morale across a team that is not in the managers style or bought in to his methods.

Consistency is key and we need to take a long term approach to this - Wenger & Moyes prove this and whilst I acknowledge that neither of them have been lifting silverware of late (and before you post I know how long it is since Everton won a big shiny thing. ) it will breed consistency and hopefully succesful results whilst taking away the knee jerk "sack the manager" comments.

In the Premier League era obviously there is one outstanding manager who has been consistent and results wise head and shoulders above anyone. Sir Alex (Sir Alco, Old Bacon face if you wish) following initial problems created then replicated numerous times successful and winning teams.

I believe this is a product of consistency, boardroom support and full backing of the fans however also of the man himself, sometimes you have to acknowledge his input. He has made some fantastic signings, but also some awful ones Veron, Bebe, Jordi Cruyff.

His methods can't be earth shatteringly different from other coaches or managers - as let's be honest Man United have spewed out a succession of awful managers who have had full access to his methods - Darren Fergusson, Mark Robbins, Mark Hughes, Roy Keane, Paul Ince, Henning Berg, Steve Bruce, Steve McLaren all spring to mind as awful under acheiving managers.

Therefore there is no magic formula, secret potion, quick fix, world beating superstar to revive our fortunes and return us to the top - it will take time, support on all levels, and consistency. Please support our club and our manager

BOILED ONIONS

13 Feb 2013 20:32:51
You forgot Slur Alex, Whiskeynose and Sir Drinksalot.

;)

Jolly Red

13 Feb 2013 20:36:12
Boiled onions mate sacking manager doesn't help but appointing wrong manager doesn't help either, Rodgers signings have been dissapointing only sturridge is in first xi, what makes you think he is right man to take us foward when you consider the size of the job, at the sametime he has only one year of experience in epl what if he continues buying mediocore players and waste another 60-80M then will be in big trouble instead of moveing foward will be in big sh*t with no money to spend. In my opinion is better to find someone to come in and help rodgers or replace him before more damage has been done.

We are at a stage where we can't afford anymore mistakes or continue wasting more money which will set our club back and will take many, many years to recover

Manutd went through umpteen Managers before they gave Ferguson time and they only just gave him time.

kidmillions

So we just sit there and say keep br because we have had too many managers, some of those managers were great for lfc but they got removed from the job br is no where near them so why should he have better teatment as kid millions said mam you had lots of managers b4 fergi but fergie came to them after managing a very good aberdeen team who won a european trophy br came to us because the press made him sound like a good choice, br may improve but not enough to do what we want him to we need a fast track manager to get us the premiership crown after all we have been waiting long enough. jose would be my choice and may be with the extra tv money we can get him and make lfc high profile again. I want us to be the best and lfc need to have a proper go at things and please ask the likes of john jo to stop his twitter verbals as with out the so called fans who know nothing he would not have the very good life style he has. red mick tag ynwa

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:19:47
C'mon xabi run them ragged tonight lad

Just watching the Madrid game. It springs to mind that a lot of successful sides have a veteran or experienced midfielder - whether it's Pierlo pulling the things at Juve or Alonso at Madrid Xavi at Barca - I really think it would add a great deal of stability in the heart of the side if we got Xabi back to see his career out here. You just can't beat experience especially when it is combined with a bit of quality. {Ed001's Note - such as Gerrard you mean?}

Must be a few mancs checking out the page if there's people disagreeing with that lol

Gill

We've got the best in Gerrard.

kidmillions

Exactly Ed001 but would this be the same Gerrard that you would have sold 12 months ago?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - no, I would have sold him 3 years ago. What is your point? Did you not see him against West Brom? Standing hands on hips rather than tracking back, because West Brom aren't a big enough side for him to be arsed trying against. This is the issue, if only he had Carra's attitude, we would have the best player in the world there. He still has all the ability, he just doesn't turn it on unless it is a big enough stage for him. It is frustrating. Still, the point stands that he is an experienced midfielder, so stop trying to be snide and accept my point for what it was.}

13 Feb 2013 23:57:07
Ed 01 your talking nonsense stevie g been carrying us for years! {Ed001's Note - not for the last few he hasn't.}

Nothing against Gerrard, he's fantastic (when he wants to be anyway), but if you're saying he's been carrying the team and we've been sitting midtable, that's not exactly a compliment in my view.

Ed I wasn't trying to be "snide" I was pointing out that you have called in the past for Gerrard to be sold, which you have admitted, my point was then and is now that he is our best player so selling him would be a huge mistake.
The sooner we find a replacement for him ( because he won't go on forever) the better. Consecutive managers have failed to do this

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - he was our best player, after we sold Alonso, and now we have Suarez, who could argue he is much more important to our chances of success than Gerrard.}

I agree Ed but we must also find a replacement for Gerrard

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:11:20
Is Borini better than Caroll?
I read caroll is not suited for tiki-taka or pass and move ect ect.

What is Borini bringing to our football? only movement or goals or assits?

What other things Caroll could bring to our football (in BR system)?

Can borini improve in with BR?

Can Caroll improve with BR?

Can Borini unblock difficult situation with better wingers?

Can Caroll unblock difficult situation with better wingers?

just some question. please reply without being bias.

But your question is biased. You slated Borini and not Carroll.

They are both average. Carroll though can influence a game where Borini is anonymous every single match. DBol

Carroll, Key attributes. Big.
Borini, Key attributes. Don't know can't assess, havn't seen enough of him to form an opinion.

kidmillions

Carroll is not premiership quality

Puzzled

Well well well, we are going well backward wif the manger like brendan bobo rodger, some1 hu dosnt know have to take an advantage on player líos carril, If he find that on borini then ITs Boring, just watching borini in his 1st 3 gane 4 Liverpool I knew this guy its a finishing flop, and he cost us the gane vs west b, even barca has player like carril before especialy 4 plan be or c, now no plan be c, just atact surprice we are we are down, and ley me tell you some think, after west brom scored Liverpool performance drops in a such way players didn't even know wot to do wif the ball, becouse the performers on that game were off (downing, hendo) At least wif them off, carrol wudve work out on plan be or c, from lack of comfidence, this is 1 of the reason brendo tuk them off, this its fue kind of mánager we got, in sorry I don't have faith on him, Match wot we supposed to win lost it from lack of comfidence from brendo to our performer player hu brendo wanted 2 get rid of him (hendo), in the summer on cheap, from bigger flop on dempsey, brendo its a passenger on front of Benítez, get Benítez on next summer 4 the Liverpool fc sake.

Carroll gives you more of an option up front I would say, he is someone to punt the ball upto if the passing game fails.
Borini so far has'nt impressed me, I like to give players time to bed in and do their thing so I won't call him useless yet, but he has made almost zero impact on me so far.

Atleast Carrol has 1 positive there so I would prefer him!

Gill

Then he suits Liverpool to a tee Puzzled ;-)

Melbourne CFC

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:01:39
I think in the summer with all the probable outgoings we should have a big budget. This is our chance to finally buy some real quality. I would like to see a team like this next year. Obviously prices are just estimates.

Ins: GK? Probably 3-10m
Shaw 10 million
Diakete free
Eriksen 15 million
Ben arfa swap or munian 13 million
Diame 3.5 million
Damioa 17 million

Can't see one of those happening! Sorry mate
Shaw=probably chelsea
Eriksen =probably spurs
The rest unsure of where they will go but 100% not Liverpool!!

We won't be buying big bud. Young, potential as usual. No instant impact. Get used to it.

Lol you plan on getting Eriksen and Muniain for less than £30 million? You are crazy!

Go to transfermarkt and look at how much we have spent net in the past 2 seasons. Yes, wage bill reduced but not enough yet. A lot of the money coming in this summer will go to plug the gap in outgoings over last 2 yrs. youth and a few wise heads will be the order of the day.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 18:00:56
is BR showing too much respect for Suarez? Suarez was too selfish on Monday on too many occasion. Again BR should be able to put suarez on bench or have the guts to tell him if he is too selfish in front of goal or not taking chances, no player is greater than the club. I know he has put many goals but in many matches he was either too greedy or wanted to dribble every player where better options was there to pass and kill games.

Does Ferguson shows that much respect for Rooney, nani or even RVP?

Any way we only have suarez to rely on this season but next summer BR should address this situation and maybe have four strikers a la Man. ure (rooney, Welbeck, RVP, chicharito) for competition.
We can say that the defenders did not play well, Agger was bad ect ect but infront if you don`t take chances, the opposition`s confidence grows and it hunt you at the end.


No one is greater than Liverpool.
Budashow

Are you serious, you want to bench Suarez.
His presence on the pitch put fear in the opposition defenders, where ever he goes he takes a defender or 2 with him and makes space for others.
Its not about BR having respect for Suarez, its because he knows Suarez can make a difference and all he needs is a moment or 2, it does n't happen every game, but happens often enough to play him every game he is fit for.
The fact you put Nani in the same line as Rooney and RVP shows how little you know about the game, and yes I can assure you if RVP is fit and does n't need to be rested then Fergie will have his name first in the team sheet. nothing to do with respect, its what they can do.
Roy

The original poster nailed it on the head. Ferguson is not scared of benching anyone.

That's because he has players of equal ability on the bench, I'm afraid we do not.

That ends this story.

Hoola

 

 

13 Feb 2013 17:31:26
I am a South African Red and will be coming to Anfield with my 9 year old son for the Everton game in May. It's a birthday treat for him and for me it's like coming home. We always refer to LFC as our team at home and my son defends LFC from all the Manchester United supporters here where he gets a lot of stick but never backs down. I just hope and pray the real LFC turns up for the game and makes it a special day for him.

Hope you have a great day mate!

The real Liverpool always turn up for the big games is the smaller games they don't

What a treat!

DaveyBootle

3-0 c"mon the reds have a good 1. Tommy Irish Red

 

 

13 Feb 2013 17:05:19
The style of play just does not suit the players we have, perhaps we should swap teams with Swansea then, we be top of table? Harls99

13 Feb 2013 18:49:29
Harls mate there is nothing to do with systeam neither swansea are going to win league because they playing tipi tapi football. Rodgers has brainwashed fans like you united play normal football and win league year after year, neither man city play tipi tapi but again won the league since arsenal started playing tipi tapi haven't won trophy for 7-8 years. Football matches and trophys are won by tactics not style. Rodgers is not good enough his very, very weak when comes to tactics, his football is based on style rather then tactics. Players just have to pass sideways or backwards instead of foward passes. Sterling is struggling because of over coach if this continues he will be finished. Rodgers needs to be carefull with some of our players he over coaches them which has already started effecting their form.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 17:36:30
watching the wba game, there's a player we need, mulumbu, pace, power, workrate and composed on the ball everything over midfield is lacking.

Mulumbu is massively underrated but the mentality of most on here will be "he plays for West Brom so he isn't good enough for us".

Chris in Tamworth

I posted that malumbu is a very tidy player after kick off on Sunday but not sure it got through. Every time I watch him he plays really well. Obviously I don't watch many west brom games but I agree a very good player.
YNWA
Jamesy

13 Feb 2013 19:31:01
Chris mate they play well in their respective teams but once we buy them they look average in our side at the sametime I'm really scared buying more players from midtable teams they have never succeded in our team. Recently we have bought a lot of players from midtable team including Rodgers from swansea in return our team have turned midtable now if you see our players who have been success have come from top teams eg: Suarez from ajax or sturridge from chelsea we should buy more players from top teams because they are mentaly strong and can handle pressure but midtable players aren't strong mentaly neither can handle pressure playing for Liverpool.

They've taken six points from us so maybe were not good enough for him!

Wonder how well Barca would do in the EPL with their teeny players and tiki-taka? Lol

Does Mulumbu score goals?

kidmillions

 

 

13 Feb 2013 17:25:14
Looking forward to watching the boys again tomorrow.
Let's put the WBA game behind us.
A good result away to Zenit will have us all smiling again

Clacker

A bad game will have the Eds running for cover : (: ( I'm sure it won't come to that? Will it? No chill out Eds were pretty good in Europe it's a history thing.

kidmillions

 

 

13 Feb 2013 16:26:52
Ed not really Liverpool related but why does Andre Villas-Boas always sound like he swallowed a frog haha?
Cheers,
TedRed.

He sounds like the count out if Sesame Street 1 ha ha ha 2 ha ha 3 ha ha ha 4 ha ha.

gee man

13 Feb 2013 17:55:29
Not funny at all. Did you really want d Ed to answer that?

He swallowed the frog to catch a fly, I don't know why he swallowed a fly, perhaps hell die?

Tel 1949

He is leaving your team for dead.
Ha ha ha!

Hotspur

To the 3rd (anonymous) poster saying did I really want the Ed to answer that. Not funny? Apparently nobody agrees with you. Firstly it wasn't even supposed to be a joke haha! And secondly the only reason I asked the Ed was to see if he knew why he sounded like he swallowed a frog. Looks like you turned out to be the only joke here buddy!
Cheers,
TedRed.

Yes well done Hotspur you know how to read a Premier League table. I must say Spurs are doing better than I expected this season! Think you're funny? We'll see how long it lasts. I may be wrong however Spurs may even win the league next year! Fair play to them, enjoy it while it lasts.
Cheers,
TedRed.

With spurs big fan base you can really see were they get all their money to spend there's a supporters club were I live they meet every week in the telephone box. with these new rules and no cl next year bale away good luck. Tommy Irish red

 

 

13 Feb 2013 16:21:52
Where did all my posts go? They were not bad, an honest opinion only! :-/

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - There had to be a cleansing carried out this afternoon IR - so we are glifnard free again. Think of it as a new sheet of paper.}

How big a sheep have we got ed?

RB {Ed002's Note - It is a big sheep.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:56:20
Believe me, a 1-0 or 2-1 victory away at Zenit on Thursday, WILL turn things around. WBA was an off-day I'd like to believe, the penalty miss changed things certainly. All we need now is a SOLID defensive performance tomorrow at the back, and maybe a confident Joe Allen in midfield (if played).

You can't imagine what a victory away at Russia's best club can do for the team. We will then dominate the Swans come Sunday. Yeah, okay they maybe 7th in the league right now and 2 points ahead of us, but a convincing performance at Zenit will set us on the way again.

Gogol

We had too many off days this season.

Frog.

It will get better stick with it.

RB

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:48:38
Tom Ince fore me would be a huge step back for us, we had him before and he made zero impact in the prem, just because he turns it up in the lower leagues doesn't make him any better for us.

Please can we go for some real talent from other leagues like mertens or arda turan. We've tried this 'buy young british players' and they have all, apart from Sturridge, made very little impact (henderson, downing, carroll, allen) and would clearly not get into the likes of united, chelsea, city, arsenal or even spuds first 11 (who are the teams we are competing with). Yes they were good for their mid table aspiring previous clubs, but we are Liverpool, and at this rate we are slowly getting to the point where we won't even be considered as capable of challenging for anything.

RDR {Ed002's Note - He was a young kid at the time so complaining about his lack of impact at the highest level seems rather unfair.}

Still doesn't prove he will be good in the epl. He is an arrogant spoilt kid that thinks he is bigger than any club. We get him and our ethics of signing players who want to play for the club is out the window.

Agree with ed. didn't play one game for the first team and left for first team football, where he is thriving.

13reds

Keegan and Rush came here from the lower leagues and were basically untried at the top, but they soon settled in and started scoring, didn't they? {Ed001's Note - Rush took 3 years to settle in.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:37:52
The clear problem at LFC is the lack of goal scorers in the team. Our current top scorers in the league go: Suarez 17, Gerrard 6, Sturridge 4, AGGER 2. It really tells you something when a centre back is in the top 4 doesn't it. This again highlights the lack of attacking depth we have in the squad, we cannot continue with having no midfielders (bar gerrard) posing as any kind of goal threat; as I am yet to see countinho play for us, I can't say whether he will add to that list.

So in the summer it is essential that not only do we buy other striking options, but also one or two midfielders/wingers with an eye for goal too, as every top team has them and they will really help when our strikers are having an off day.
The likes of Downing who play in the front three most of the time, has shown he is not able to contribute in the scoring department as he has only scored 1 league goal in his time here, he needs replacing urgently in my opinion as he is continually placed in attacking positions and is simply isn't doing his job.

E. H LFC

Maybe Agger should be moved further forward as I believe he's good on the ball and likes to go forward to score

13 Feb 2013 18:03:33
Chelsea have the best goal-scoring midfielders in the league with no striker.

Does agger alphabetically come ahead of sterling in goals scored?

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:26:15
Ed just wondering why my post about ....................
TedRed. {Ed002's Note - I appreciate the post TedRed but it is not a subject we want to address, for a number of reasons, on these pages. Sorry.}

Ah I see Ed, I have no problem with you not posting it Ed and I can see why you wouldn't want it on these pages!
Cheers mate,
TedRed. {Ed002's Note - Thanks for understanding.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:19:08
{Ed002's Note - Some of the posts getting through are just now getting abuse pinged back-and-forth. Come back after the watershed for that sort of thing please.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:15:18
I honestly don't think Brendan will be in charge come next season, our owners are ruthless and if where 8th-9th at the end of this season, I think they will get rid. Just an opinion.
Sired

Yay! A new kit AND a new Manager EVERY season! Soooo exciting!

Curlies

He will be here all of next season (13/14). It's not until midway through the season after (14/15) that FSG's patience will snap if things haven't improved dramatically. They will go for stability over the this and next season. RED LENIN

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:05:37
Can't wait for the big match later. Dortmund are usually great to watch!

In all honesty, how can Welbeck, Carrick, Evans or Young be involved, nevermind be on the team sheet for a "perfect match"?

Jolly Red

Maybe they should join Downing, Henderson, Agger and co in the thursday night cup and scrapping for european places down in sixth or whatever you are.

13 Feb 2013 15:27:19
All players that would get into our team. Fergusons success isn't from having 11 of the best players in the world but building a team who play with spirit and honour and never say die attitude. something i'm afraid we do not have anymore!

Bet your well 'Jolly' after another great result on Monday

Welbeck, Carrick, Evans & Young give 100% everytime they pull on the Utd shirt. Sir Whisky Nose has instilled a never-say-die attitude into every one of his players, they never accept defeat, hence the reason they are challenging on all fronts this season. I just wish we had a squad full of players who would give 100% every time they pulled on the Liverpool shirt.

13 Feb 2013 16:51:27
Did I state our players were better? Show me where I did please and I will eagerly say sorry. Please show me where I said Liverpool were better.

I am showing the dire state of British football. Every other top league has at least one team that could destroy any British team - Germany has Bayern and Dortmund, France's PSG could do a good job, Italy have a few good teams and Spain, well most of Spain's team could run rings around United as shown by Bilbao last season who finished mid-table and usually scrap for relegation.

And I don't have to be 'jolly' about our team, but I don't have to slaughter them and slit my own wrists like most 'fans' on here who seem to be either WUMs or the stupidest people who have ever graced the Earth.

/Rant over

'Jolly' Red

I agree. Just look at the Utd players just mentioned. Throw into that a couple of old timers in Giggs and Scholes. You have got me going now. What about Evra, Jones, Valencia and Raphael? Now i'm not saying they are not good players but put down on a team sheet they would hardly fill you with fear, yet they win medals for fun. Money is one thing and Liverpool have spent plenty over the years, but the missing ingredient is what makes these players into Championship winning team. Find the answer to that and we will have found the key to glory. I haven't a clue what it is tho. Anyone?

The Irish Rover

Maybe throwing a man or 2 in the box would't hurt.
derryred

Irish, having the right manager in place for 25 or so years.
Hate to say it, but have to give him credit for the way he build winning teams one after the other, he has a good ability to feed in youth and average players then turn them into winners. its a mentality thing.


Roy

Fergie is ruthless and a bully, the players know if they don't perform they are out, Utd have an in depth squad, competition is hard, he plays mind games with the players and they respond winning medals and playing for the shirt motivates them.
Utd haven't got a great team individually but they work hard for each other and are a great unit

Bobbinred

 

 

13 Feb 2013 15:01:11
we are in desperate need for someone like SHAWCROSS.
and also I think the style of play introduced by BR isn't really working in the preimer. it must be tweeked for english football. I reckon playing two holding midfielders to protect the defense is much better than the spanish way of the two CBs breaking up and lucas becoming more like a sweeper between them. THIS is just not suitable to english football. we need tiki taka with an english twist. physicality has killed us this season obviously!

Spanish way? we used to do that in the 80s. Defending isn't the major issue, its lack of goals

 

 

13 Feb 2013 14:34:27
I see everyone banging on about our defence (defenders)
I'm going to use Manutd and not Barca as a guide to where were going wrong and to where we could be with a little lateral (Japanese thinking? they are the masters at looking at somebody else's successful blueprint and improving it)
thinking from the Management.
Manutd have conceded 31 goals so far this season we've conceded 34 (6 in the last 3 games) yet they are a whopping 29 points ahead of us. It doesn't equate, there was a time when you had to have a rock solid defence to win the league. Not anymore.
Why? They have a dodgy keeper and so do we apparently, they make mistakes at the back and quite often this season only start playing when their behind.
We make mistakes at the back when after dominating games we more often than not fail to score and our defence comes under pressure.
So Why the 29 point gap, their obviously not invincible and have their own defensive problems, Arsenal, Everton, Chelsea and Spurs are not great defensively either? Is it something about the league? Is it whoever has got the best forwards wins the league? Is that the way the Premier has gone?
That I would say is partly true?
So what is the difference between Liverpool and Manutd?
I would say they have 4 goalscoring forwards to choose from and 4 decent wide players.
So do we really need wholesale changes in our defence? I would say no, we need 2 more forwards to compete with Suarez and Sturridge and we have Sterling and Downing so we need a Frank Ribery type wide player with an eye for goal. Could that be Ince?
Don't spend any money on defenders as Kelly, Wisdom and Coates should be good enough to step up if needed next season.
The Premier next year will be the same, whoever scores the most goals wins the title even with a slightly dodgy defence as in Manutd.

kidmillions

Brilliant post kidmillions, I totally agree we have Kelly that should partner Agger if we loose Carra/Skrtel/Coates we also have Wisdom so we would need a new CB, as for Ince i'm convinced he will be joining in the summer and will give Sterling strong competition, we desperately need as you say 2 forwards and maybe a winger who can score goals, Mertens would be a very good buy as he scores regular for PSV.

BigD

13 Feb 2013 15:26:20
our purchase has been flop. never lived upto the expectataions of he price we paid.
over 120 mill in two seasons. to finish 8th. and whooping exsuses every week in week out.
simple as that.
Sir alex, nor the board or the manager of top clubs would ever accept such league forms.

Well said kid the only thing I must say our midfield has not settled at all under brendan prob because lucas is only getting back to his best now, I don't get a good consistent vibe of a team that knows what its doing utd do have this and really look like they are never beat even if they are 2 nil down they come back and win not draw, you have to give it to them as much as I hate them big heads they don't get beat easy you really have to put a shift in to beat them. Tommy Irish Red

Yeah Ferguson got off to a great start to his career at man u.

RB
.

I agree with your point however I would never class welbeck as a goalscorer. His run of form is hardly better than carrolls in that department.
derryred

 

 

13 Feb 2013 14:25:51
I personally think we should stick with BR and hopefully, he and his coaching staff will turn the tide. I was never a Rafa fan after the 2007 cup final against AC milan as I thought he got tactics totally wrong, Crouchy came on and scared the life outa them, scored a goal, all in last 10 mins, so Rafas not the answer. Other managers? Well it will be a sell and buy transition again, and I for one don't think I could stand that.

And I also hope BR has the foresight to see what's needed in the summer, I agree to a point that his signings have been more hit than miss this season but with injurys to Borini, assaildi etc you can't really make a judgement on those players just yet.

Im not sure what's happened to J Allen, confidence maybe? This is the time good man management comes to the fore in my mind, sure bollock them when they are poor but nothing like an arm round you and some praise to get you going again.

If at the end of the season they are still playing poor then obviously a decision has to be made, put your hands up and say I got it wrong, look at all the top european talent that have been at Man U, Chelsea and City over the years, it doesn't always work out for player or club so the you part ways.

But I do believe the Players deserve the chance to put it right albeit with motivation and love as it were, like I said earlier no one likes being pilloried and criticised week in week out, can't be good mentally.

But as fans we should be critical but also understanding, I've also said I've never rated our defence, they are and have been poor for a few seasons in my opinion.

I don't think they are bad players as such but just not suited to their current positions within the squad, i'd sooner see GJ further up the field, i'd sooner see Agger more as a defensive Mid and both replaced with PPL more suited to the CB roles.

Id like to see Kelly and maybe Wisdom get some game time together, i'd like to give Coates a run in the side and see if he can re-produce the form he did in South America, Players don't suddenly become poor for no reason.

This is the part of the season I think the management can experiment a little, not to drastic but enough to see if other things work, just because PPL say GJ is a fullback and the is a centre back means its set in stone.

I said in the past look at Ray Kennedy for LFC when he came from Arsenal, much better mif=dfielder than forward, now the opposite for Fellaini, much better advanced than sitting mid.

Of course i'm no manager or profess to be one, but its not rocket science in my book, if you watch the game long enough you can see the rights and the wrongs, so i'm sure BR is on the case ( well i'm hoping he is)

He just needs the balls now to convince the owners to stump up the cash to strenghten the weakness in the team at present, and get the players he's brought in to justify that faith he's had in them.

Let me know what you think

13 Feb 2013 14:54:00
Kuyt scored against Milan 2007. Great post though mate.

WelshBoyDave

I think for you or I to take relentless criticism in our jobs it would destroy us.
The difference is when your earning £THOUSANDS a week as most players do they will develop a thick skin and be relatively immune to fans criticising,
The Clubs also employ specialist Ptrickcyclists to help with these sort of problems. As the saying goes "Be like water off a ducks back!"

kidmillions

Kid millions are you peter d

I agree with a lot of what the OP says. I would also add the biggest thing we lack is confidence. Utd go behind but beleive they will win, and they do so. we go behind and our heads drop. It started last season when we had several games where we just couldn't score and it culminated in the game against Arsenal when Van Persie snatched a last min winner after we had battered them the majority of the game. The players do not beleive they will win, regardless of how well they perform. Man city and Arsenal this season both prove the point. we outplayed them. yet ended up giving the points away. We need a psychiatrist before we need to sign new players!
ItsNotRocketScience

That belief comes from having goalscorers in your team.

kidmillions

 

 

13 Feb 2013 13:47:41
Club monitoring Romelu Lukakus situation.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 13:37:59
just a quick question what happened to them 2 young chinese players we had on trial did they ever come back or were they not good enough

 

 

13 Feb 2013 13:37:26
How insular are you le*heads on this site. All this negativity towards the players is not helping? Do you really think anybody from the club reads sites like this one or listens to radio phone ins?

There is zero negativity towards the players at away games and only apprehension at home games, were so used to h**ckin it up now that the crowd are watching the game through there fingers like a horror movie ( metaphorically speaking, ) people who don't go the game think they would get the kop in full voice if they were there because there so passionate, your living in la la land if you think that, the only people who can rouse the fans are the players, and i'm not talking about winning every game 5-0 but showing hard work grit and determination, showing they care and are not just there for the money and the lifestyle, if the players would have shown that on Monday night and a lot more this season then the ground would be bouncing, we would accept a transitional period and accept defeats like the West Brom one if you got the impression that they genuinely hurt and cared about the club and it's supporters.

For what it's worth a feel Rodgers takes defeats in the same way as the supporters I maybe wrong, but I don't get that from some of the players, I know which ones but I will keep that to myself!

But if you want the atmosphere back at Anfield then the players HAVE to show us some PRIDE and some PASSION because I can guarantee they would get it back ten fold!

But for the people who have slagged us off for not creating an atmosphere and in away blaming us for the players failings, I don't feel your qualified to make those accusations because your not experiencing what I have spoken about above.

Waro

 

 

13 Feb 2013 12:12:39
I'm curious as to whether the Eds and other folks are giving any credibility to the recent rumours about FSG making contact with Carlo Ancelotti, and whether such a contact might be about him supporting BR in a sort of DoF role, or even replacing him altogether?

And would BR accept a DoF influencing him?
He made it very clear in his early press conferences that one of the conditions he had held out for was that there would not be a more senior figure managing or even guiding him in on-field matters.

After FSG saying that BR's vision is a longer term project, and with any contract termination probably being very expensive, is it conceivable that FSG are already putting feelers out for possible replacements next season?
Is it possible they are tentatively eyeing up the market just in case LFC suffer a slump and end up in 9th/10th place, or lower?

How bad would things have to be for them to take such a drastic step, and is it possible they might effectively say to Ancelotti 'If the team finish 10th or lower, we will sack BR and look to you as a replacement?'

They will try to be patient, but surely they have a limit as to what is acceptable?
Personally, I think their limit will be a final league position of 10th or lower, but that seems very unlikely anyway.

TC {Ed052's Note - I expect people have just put 2 and 2 toghether and got CA tbh. We will finish about 7th, maybe 6th, which I expect, and hope will be enough for Rodgers to stay. I dont expect a DoF, and nor do I expect CA. We may see a footballing figure come into help Rodgers tho}

7th honest post but simply attrocious league position the knifes are all ready sharpening

 

 

13 Feb 2013 13:11:47
In my opinion:

1) Kenny should never had been sacked
2) Roberto Martinez should have been his replacement.
3) Martinez should be Rodgers replacement in summer.

Martinez started the Swansea rebuild.
He has kept Wigan in the PL when they should be relegated every season and every summer he loses players.
Wigan play with flair
Martinez has plenty of PL experience
Martinez can adapt his formation and tactics and has beaten most of the big clubs in the PL.
He has the ability, the pedigree and the desire.

And Martinez is not as miserable and boring and would not send you to sleep like Rodgers.

Go support wigan then mate, we don't need you as a fan!
YES kenny deserved the sack, and should still be paying the club back some of the money he wasted on caroll, its entirley his fault that we are not in a mujch better position because we could have built the whole team for 50 M instead he spendt them on carroll and downing, Suarez was a comolli signing. then people here have insomnia, we had a much much bigger squad last year with more experience and its wasnt kennys first season but his 2nd. you don't need to be Barcelona to reach the league cup or win it on penalties against Cardiff, and when you let go ofmaxi, bellamy, kuyt, adam, carroll, spearing, joe cole, poulsen, kyriagkos, and others and get 4-5 youngfer players in with much much better potenial and much lower wages this season was always going to be like this even if you like it or not!
PHARAOH

PHARAOH, are you a merchant banker by any chance? Ye ye I defo think you are, without doubt!

Waro

13 Feb 2013 14:23:58
Mate sacking Rodgers and appointing another midtable manager is just repeating our mistake and wasting our time, neither Benitez is our anwer.

We should learn from our mistakes

1) Neverever appoint another midtable manager like Rodgers or Hodgson because the club is too big for them

2) Never bring past manager back like King kenny or Rafa

We need manager who are establish, prooven and hsve pedigree in europe to attract quality players to move this great club foward

Some of managers who can put our club back on track are

Ancelotti-proven manager in highest level and is interested managing Liverpool fc

Mourinho-if shown ambition and given money like Rodgers or kenny got then league title is guaranteed no need champions league to attract players his name is enough to get class players

Beisla same style like Rodgers but knows about football that rodgers can only dream and have big reputation in spain mostly his signings will be from spain, at one time Barca wanted him to succed Guardiola and his not driven by money.

PHARAOH,

You need some help at the moment.
Look at the first team 11 for most matches and you will realize that this is still Kenny's team.

No Rodgers slagging but there was no justification sacking Kenny for the results and league standing. they just wanted a young manager.

You don't need to slam a club legend to prove your love for Brendan Rodgers

LiverBird

I dont' need help, you do, because if you look at them playing they have all improved, they have all been playing much better, so rodgers improved them a lot and fans like you who doent understand what a long term plan means can't critisize me for doing so.
I don't love rodgers, far from it, but I have no choice becuse without support its will all fall apart once again, I loved kenny when he was here and was gutted to see him leave but the eds here who are wiser than all of us have put out some valid points again and again and you don't seem to understand them, I LOVE LIVERPOOL and support the players who ever they are or who ever the manager is, but I can't stand all of you attacking the
players and saying we were better off with kenny because we weren't, it was in kennys 2nd season we reached 2 finals and won the easier one, and no progress what so ever in the league which really matters, I have no choice but to support them now and stand behind them and try to protect them because most of you forget how young they are and most of the critisim is harsh and unjustified. ( am an accountant manager at a bank in Norway, good guess, sorry for my english its my 5th language)

Forgot to sign

PHARAOH

It's fine to support BR, good on you. But the shameless slagging of Kenny is an embarrassment.

13 Feb 2013 20:48:26
Ferguson Aberdeen, wenger 2 nd division in France,
Both have won more trophies than any one, who'd ever heard of them before they joined two of the big clubs in England we have to give rogers time at least three seasons we were bankrupt when those persons hicks & Gillette left putting all that debt on the future earnings of the club which had to be champions league every year that's why Rafa had to sell masch arbeloa alonso etc to pay the interest.

Ferguson was one game from the sack Arsenal were mid table let's get behind the youngsters & sing like we used to the whole ground used to sing remember when the Annie road end used to sing to the kop then back came the kop get those flags & scarves out, Rodgers way of playing is good the owners will back him in the summer & now we're bringing the youngsters through from one of the best academies in the world.
I am disappointed but I understand where we are as a team & a club the only way is up.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:07:21
Hi eds not really transfer related, but are we keeping the same tops (home/away/3rd) for the 2013/14 season?

Thanks :) {Ed002's Note - I don't know but I am sure someone will.}

Under the terms agreed with warrior we will be changing kit every year.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 12:53:30
Yet another complete over-reaction to a defeat by a lot this page. What did you honestly expect this season, a league title?
I would like to see what this page is like IF we beat Swansea and go through in the Europa league in the next few days, Rodgers will be hailed again and people will be saying how we're moving forwards with great young players coming through etc etc.
Then bang we lose a game and its, Rodgers out, get Anchelotti, the players are all crap, Agger and Skrtel need to be sold (even though they were hailed as the best centre back partnership in the league on this page last season).
I know its a banter page but do we need this bi-polar like reaction everytime we lose a game?! Literally in days from out playing Man City and drawing 2-2 away from home when all the talk on here was, we're moving in the right direction to losing to West Brom and now it's Rodgers out and all that. How can it change so much within just a few days, just because of 1 result?!

DarrenS

Sorry mate but I totally disagree. But being honest, that's because I am Blue. And we have the same banter on our pages. One minute Moyes is the bees knees. The next he should be sacked. My honest assessment is that your team is making slow progress and you are in the same sort of area as us. In the 5th to 8th place for finishing. The problem being that you guys have been used to the Champions League money and if you don't get it back soon, your USA owners won't like it one bit. They will have to pump in 25 million per year extra whilst not qualifying. Another change of manager (and direction) will then cause you lots of problems.
Degsypulford

I do agree that it goes from one extreme to another, you would swear everyone on this site is bi-polar but fans live in the moment and should they or shouldn't they? Its debatable but I think fans should ask, have we improved every year or consistently under fsg? And if so support your team and stop moaning!

13 Feb 2013 13:52:16
DarrenS mate there is nothing to do with losing or winning, the big concern is his signings he has spent 60M+ and none of them are starters except sturridge if we continue buying ineffective players then will be in big problem in short will have a full squad of mediocore players with no money left as all money will be wasted then will take years to build our club, sry to say mate but Rodgers signings have been disaster. Neither he can attract quality players which we badly need because he doesn't have any pedigree to convince players to join him except young or players he has worked with. We are in a situation where one mistake will kill our great club so need to be carefull can't waste another 60M+.

Don't forget Managers can jump ship but fans can't so need to be very, very carefull mate supporting our players and manager is fine but pretending everything is fine when the truth is apparent is foolish

DarrenS, use your common sense lad! We have two camps on this site, the people who blindly defend everything that is happening at the club or the people who are not happy with what's happening both on and off the field at the club.

People who post after a win saying how great we are don't then come on after a loss saying how s**t we are, after a win the posters who are not happy with the direction of the club won't post, why would they, they would look stupid criticising anything after a win. Ergo they will then post after a defeat saying there piece, were as the pro posters won't say anything after a defeat because again they will sound stupid defending the indefencable. Think before you post fella!

Waro

Degsypulford, I imagine most Reds don't like comparisons being drawn between the two clubs. However, what you say seems very reasonable and thanks for the good post.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 12:43:51
Hey eds being German I have a massive interest in German football we have breed some of the best goalkeepers known in world football reading story's about Liverpool scouting Ter Stegen make me want to go boom this guy is one of the best shot stoppers Germany have produced in many years he's big strong has excellent both in the air and on the floor and I think his price tag for such a young lad reflects maybe a lot now but if we wish to sell in the future (if we brought him) would only double is their anything from Liverpool which may indicate that we have shown any sort of interest in him at all please keep the great work up

German Mark

There are better in germany and spain!

 

 

13 Feb 2013 12:05:33
I'm afraid we need some changes because we can't continue wasting our money on mediocore players and accept they will come good its really hurting our club neither our club can attract players without champions league we need a
manager who have got pedigree in europe and can attract players. Eg ancelotti- he has always said it will be a Privilege to manage Liverpool fc and his ready to take the challange, he even recently said he wants to return back to england now I'm not saying we should appoint him I'm just giving example, because we can't attract players without champions league neither Rodgers have got pedigree to attract quality players if we continue wasting our money on more mediocore players will find ourselves in big problem and will take years to come out with all our money being wasted.

13 Feb 2013 12:21:51
Br will bring xavi from all countries in europe.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:52:32
Get off Rodgers back! Of course he is making mistakes, he has never managed a club the size of Liverpool before and he is learning as he go's so he is bound to make mistakes. We are not Top Four at the moment. LIVE WITH IT!!. i'm more then willing to give the guy and his team time to develop. We will struggle for a while, but at least for the first time in ages we look as if we have a proper long term plan in action based on youth and a progression from reserve to first team football.

CovRed

Learn as he goes? has it really come to this? Saying that Rodgers needs more than 1 season, if we are still saying all this in 12 months time then it will be time for him to go, but we wont, he will get it right. i'm as frustrated as anyone but chopping and changing managers, players, tactics and formations is not the way forward
FowlerisGod

BR needs not 1 year but 2 or 3 minimum. The young players need to develop and mature and the squad needs strengthening. How you can expect anyone to turn us into a challenger from the edge of bankruptcy inside of 12 months is ridiculous. Changing managers again now or next season would just start the cycle all over again.

It hurts but we have to grin and bear it.

1970Red

LFC Is a massive football club and the managers job here is still considered a massive job in football. The sad fact is that BR was not ready for it and he is struggling. as I have said before I am willing to give him time but if the decline continues I will be joining the others on his site questioning the wisdom of his appointment

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:42:55
If the majority of reasonable folk on here can see that we have defensive problems at present with players making basic mistakes and showing lack of form, then i'm sure that the coaching staff and the manager have identified these areas prone to error as well.

It's the basics on set pieces and positioning for the defenders which is causing much of the indecisiveness and calamity. Goal keeper gaffes such as Jones spillage at Oldham and Reina's late dash towards the loose ball for Aguero to score a spawny goal and rescue a draw for City do happen but happen less when communication and confidence is worked on.

BoriniCanDoIt.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:42:44
I agree with the Ed's about Rodgers unfortunately.
The job has come too early for him, he does not have the knowledge or expertise to identify players who are good enough to play at the top level in the Premiership.
An older more experienced man should come in as either as DOF or as a replacement.
Every manager makes mistakes in the transfer market including purple nose but let's face it 26m for Allen and Borini says it all especially as Rodgers said he would have paid even more for Allen if he had to.
Allen is a tidy mid table player but not good enough for us and Borini is our present day Sean Dundee.
Surridge will hopefully be a success but who knows.
Sorry to be so negative but we should all face reality.
I am in my late fifties and have had a season ticket for over 40 years so I know all about keeping the faith and I will continue to support the reds home and away no matter what but what we are witnessing now is the slow demise of a great footballing institution unless we get our act together, and whether that can be done by FSG and/or Rodgers is doubtful.
Once again sorry to be so negative but I am only saying what thousands of others are saying. {Ed052's Note - You say you've supported the team for 40 years, and you say you keep faith, but I ask how? Your extremely judgemental, and surely, being such a long term ''supporter'' you can appreciate supporting players, trusting the manager, and not criticising players. Yet your horrible to Borini, who is a youngster, hardly played, just moved from his native country and you tear holes into him. Allen the same - remember Lucas ffs!? Henderson now. Support the players and they will perfrom - yet you dont even give Allen credit where credit is due?! As for supporting - what you say about Rodgers is pathetic tbh}

13 Feb 2013 12:50:51
Ed52 mate your trying to defend Rodgers who has spent 60M+ and none of them are starters except sturridge, do you remember you said Borini is a 25+ goal striker, how long you can defend Rodgers when the truth is apparent everyone to see. He is out of his depth continues playing last years team, his signings who were deemed to take us foward and move us up the table have massively failed, they are warming our bench instead of helping us when we need them the most. Sahin loan terminated after half a season, rumours are assaidi might leave, oh and 9th in the table. We have always supported our club no matter what but pretending everything is fine is foolish mate, without voicing our Concern today the club would be playing in championship when Hicks and gillet were our owners so need to be intelligent rather then being foolish and pretending everything is fine! {Ed052's Note - If supporters hadn't voiced concern, H&G wouldn't still be here. We wouldn't be in the Championship. I am still very confident in Borini. He just needs support - a run of games, and to be played through the middle. The reason none of them are starters, are: Allen out of form, Yesil injured, Assaidi, Just back, Sahin, CBA and Borini just back from injury. I am not calling for blind faith, but sometimes people need to show more faith and support - unlike you who says Allen and Borini are crap after 20 games, and saying Assaidi is amazing, after about 5 games}

Thankyou ed! this guy can't be a 40 year season ticket holder, that's bullcrap! because if you were have seen this transition happen time and time again in the past! maybe the 1000s like you should go cheer manc on and leave the real supporting to the real fans not the whiners! who doesn't judge a player like borini after what 6 games in total?or allen? who is also still 22! please support some other team because our club deserves much better fans than you and the 1000s you are talking about!

Ed052 - Sorry mate, you're just being blind and talking cobblers.

Nothing in Borini's past nor his games since he came has shown anything that would lead anyone with a serious knowledge of the game to suggest he will be anything other than average.

Touch = very poor (might get better with a run of games I concede)
Positioning = Not too bad but nothing special
Movement = Poor frankly
Pace = Not reallty
Finishing = Nope (again might get better but got a really long way way to go)


Yes he's young, so? Others, younger than him have cme in and done much better jobs.


I do remember Lucas and am happy to concede that some players can improve massively but to assume that they all will is utter folly. There is nothing wrong with being a "supporter" and voicing your recognition that someone just isn't up to the job. I'll cheer him when he's on the pitch but I will not blindly accept the "he'll come good" cobblers just because someone thinks it's wrong for supporters to have a contrary opinion.


PS - I have faith in Rodgers and believe he will be around next season when we will have far better strikers for him to use. {Ed052's Note - I have only judged Borini on what I have seen of him at Swansea and Roma, as I fear its unfair to have judged him quickly. I also undertsnad that players his age normally do better. However, I will still stick with my initial opinion as he has been injured, had only a few games, played out of position and just moved. Bit harsh calling me blind?!}

Dzeko was awful in his first season at City. It's difficult Borini is obviously tense when he does get a chance. We need to just give him time to settle.
How many games did spurs go before Bale was in a winning side 20 odd wasn't it.

kidmillions

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:11:18
People keep saying Liverpool are a team in transition, not true, the transition is complete, we used to be good and now we are not. As a Liverpool fan, the situation is depressing at times. We have fallen very far behind the top four. I find myself falling for the excuses far too often. Always if only or blaming a ref. The reality is, no other good team in the league would have so many shots and possession each game and not score. We have a very long way to go. Rogers is out of his depth. If we didn't have such a recent poor track record with Managers, he be gone by now. I agree with giving people time but you need to see performance improvement in transfers, in results, in tactics and the future. I cannot see it when I compare us to new managers at Tottenham or even
Swansea who are miles better without him proving he was actually holding them back! They sack kenny dalglish for winning a cup and getting to the FA cup final and sack him for not getting to the champions league - they bring in BR to run the club - he has performed worst but has still got the job. I understand that the club needs to be run with neutral cash flow, shipping out overpaid failures, but we still have spent 60m on potential, meanwhile every other rival is buying proven talent for similar or lower amounts.
I suppose the backlash will now come, Fergie took six years, blah blah blah, all I am saying that 9 wins against bottom half teams, at silent Anfield is not the LFC I expect considering our illustrious past.
Beancounter {Ed052's Note - How can you say Swansea were held back by BR? It is pretty much his team with a couple more players added. Swansea are not miles better than us - how you can judge that I dont know? Spurs are above us, not becuase of the managers, but becuase of their players and quality squad depth}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:10:58
Real Madrid : RAfa
Man utd : Moyes
Chelsea : Mourinho
Man city: Whoever they want
PSG : Arsene wenger
Bayern : pep guardiola
Liverpool :??

My point is all these managers you can see at these clubs and suit the clubs. I can't think of any other manager to take us forward other than BR so stop your whinging and back YOUR manager, team and club weather you like it or not. And if your lucky enough to get a ticket to a game then sing your heart out because the fans have always been our 12th man but not of recent there's more of an atmosphere at dare I say it Chelsea and that says something anyway sorry rant over.

Great work eds as always keep it up.


Bangor eye dave YNWA {Ed052's Note - I'm guessing your from Bangor mate?}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 11:02:03
Liverpool had one of the best defenses in the BPL last season, we still have those same players so what happened other than BR's style of play. And Reina is obviously making error after error to ensure his exit at the end of the season. Borini, Allen, and Downing all make the team weaker when they are in and have to have support from other positions to have a "good" game as it were. I know I question BR's sub choices and team selections more than I used too and that probably means so do the squad, which can breed mutiny and inconsistency. Let's be real, Sturridge is the only BR purchase which has "paid off" thus far. BR needs to stop worrying about whether or not Carra's going to be the record holder for appearances at the club's expense an put Skrtel back in the line in which he came and stop tinkering with the D. Glenn Johnson isn't a left back or right mid for that matter, leave our defenders to defend not come up and expose the centre-halfs.

Angry At BR's tinkering. {Ed052's Note - we by no means had one of the best defences last year mate. Borini has played about 15 games, with a 3 month injury, yet you criticise him? Allen was our best player for the first 10 games, and has dropped off becuase of lack of support. Downing has been great recently, deserved an England call up, and has his confidence back. He is running at players, getting great shots off and good balls into the box. Anyway, who would you replace these three players with? You are just as quick to judge Sturridge as you are Borini. DS has played about 5 games - you cannot tell from that he will be a good player for us. He may drop off and Borini take over. Next season he may be awful and Allen score loads. You have to give players time. But your comments about Skrtel and Carra are simply rubbish. Carra is back in the team on merit, becuase Skrtel has been so so poor. He has cost us a lot of goals and points this season - and as far as I am aware, Carra has made no such mistakes, and has only made our defence tigher. Also, with Carra playing we have a far bigger win rate than with Skrtel. And your comment about GJ makes no sense either. He played at left back becuase we had no cover and he hasn't even played RM for us, so why are you complaining about that too?}

Well said Ed052. I start by saying that when allen can into the squad we all backed him and gave him support. he performed expertly and did well in covering the hole lucas' injury left. his form dipped when the critics and fans started abusing him. I know that I get angry and frustrated with players performances but you're mad if you think that criticizing and abusing the player whose not performing will get them going again. the only player that might work with is suarez and he's cut from a different cloth. Also in regards to G. Johnson I think some of his better performance have come at left back. Also Skrtel has been poor as of late has and Carra has come in and not put a foot wrong so why drop him. Get behind the team support when were down and out sticking with it will only make our success that much more sweet.
-Slim {Ed052's Note - GJ is a far better LB than RB. At LB he has to concentrate on his game, and really work had. All his talent then comes through. AT RB, he seems a bit lax, almost cocky - becuase its his position. So doesn't play as well}

13 Feb 2013 11:53:14
Stopped reading your reply ed when you said allen was are best player for 10 games, even if that was true look at the results of those games. He wasn't by the way imo, and your sayin he's playing poorly now because of lack of support, wow. Heres a thing, why not be a pro and do what your paid handsomly for and play football to the best of your ability, if you need the fans to blow smoke up your arse to get a performance out of you then I don't want you playing for us. And for the record ed i've never heard any booing at the match for allen, only negatives I have saw for allen have been on this site and with respect I can't see joe allen spending his days off reading this site.

Waro {Ed052's Note - Game in game out, after Allen plays, all he gets is shit, people complaining about him, taking the piss, abusing him, criticising him. And tbh, if you think thats OK, and deserved becuase of his wages, then your wrong. Horrible abuse did for Downing and Hendo last season. He is a wee youngster, moving away from home for the first time, to get abused, thats not going to help you play well is it?

Ed52, Only 2 teams had conceded less goals than Liverpool in the league last year. To me that's one of the best defences in the league.

The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - We had a poor defence last year, what ever the stats say. It hasn't really changed this year}

Borini and Allen are not good enough. They wouldn't get in Newcastle's team so what makes you think there good enough for Liverpool

I can only go by what I have witnessed with my own eyes ed052, I have never had a go at the lad either at the match nor on here, do I think he's up to it at the minute no, am I prepared to give him a chance yes, but I wouldn't have a go at people who don't like him because there entitled to an opinion, obviously if they start geting abusive towards him then I don't agree with that.

Waro {Ed052's Note - Well thanks Waro - but thats why Allen is in a dip, becuase he isn't getting any support. Its the people who go Allens crap etc I hate. If people say, he was poor, but a,b, and c in his game was good, he can build etc etc, thats fine. Constructive opinion and criticism is fine, but abuse isn't - and players will know that. They can sense ''fans'' geting on their back. When players play amazingly, they normally get huge plaudits, but becuase Allen did a hidden job, he didn't, and when he plays poorly, its noticed more, tahn say, Suarez, who has been very poor last 4 games or so}

Ed52, could you put up Liverpools win ratio in the league this season with Carra in the team compared to Skrytel? Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - I am not quite sure what it is, but something around 20% with Skrtel, 50% Carra. Or along those lines. Its a huge difference}

Allen has the potential to be class, give him time. Superb for Swansea last season, he is now not a bad player because he wears a different shirt
FowlerisGod

Ed52, does that mean if Liverpool forwards scored 100 goals this season that wouldn't be one of the best attacks? Laughable!

The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - It would depend on what other teams scored. Its too subjective IR}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:48:07
12 Feb 2013 21:38:05
All hail the all knowing London red. This site is all about opinions, it's what keeps it going lad.

Stop flirting with the eds and kellys hero, all of whom do excellent work by the way. Save your valentine compliments for someone else. Some of players aren't good enough, you can argue all you want with your drawn out posts, but it's a fact.

I do think rogers is the right man and he'll learn over the course of the season who is up for the battle.

Red belly


Mate if my opinion is that a fly is controlling the world with a remote control would you believe it? It's still an opinion but aload of crap

Flirting? Really? Condradictinh your self there because in my OPINION they are the only people I saw talk sense and obv a few others

Yeah the players should of scored but that's about it the tactics were right that's why we played them off the pitch we just couldn't finish. Why people are saying get BR out is beyond me so behave mate

Londonred

"you can argue all you want with your drawn out posts, but it's a fact.

I do think rogers is the right man and he'll learn over the course of the season who is up for the battle.

Red belly"

And you can argue all you like Red belly but it don't make your views any better or even any more credible. You think Rodgers is the right man but then what do you really know about the game?

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:42:44
I want a new manager. A proven WINNER who's been there and done it before. let's stop dreaming Rodgers is the new Fergie because that guy is a one off. We need a manager we can ALL believe in. Rodgers talks a good game but he is no Shanks and we need to install a manager who isn't soft like Hodgson, hasn't been out of management for ages like Kenny and who hasn't ever won FSG all like Rodgers.
There's a pride in Liverpool fans that makes them want a manager for the long haul and to give him time to build a squad and win trophies, Rodgers will never ever win the Premier League he isn't good enough.
DBol

I like all these statements by fans even understand them to a degree, but they never say who they want to come in. That person has to want to come to us, understand our problems and constraints regarding wages etc. and then how long will you give him (or her how weird would that be eh) 6mths a year or two? I wanted AVB after Kenny, but we went with Brendan, so let's see where we are at the end of the season, as asking for him to go as not good enough, CAN'T HELP THE TEAM, surely! We, on the whole, OUTPLAYED Arsenal and City, so we must be doing something right and just need consistency in front of goal and maybe get more solid in defence.

Keith

I don't know about you but when I see the teamsheet before a match I don't see Brendan Rodgers in the first 11 or among the subs bench. yes he selects the team, yes he sets the tactics, but HE DOES NOT PLAY THE MATCH. you can spark the match under any players backside but its up to the player to ignite. I feel like our squad is way short on confidence most likely because of all the negativity among fans. Support LFC in all aspects, owners, manager and squad.
- SLIM

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:36:11
Ok heres something to think about,
Charlie Adam was a great player for Blackpool,
Andy Carrol was a beast of a player for Newcastle,
Stu Downing was not that bad at Villa,
Hendo was coming along nicely at Sunderland and U21,
Coates was the next best thing since sliced bread,
Joe Allen ran Swanseas midfield.
Enrique was solid at Newcastle.

Now players like Johnson, Agger and Skyrtle etc are under performing week in week out, like I've said before I've never rated any of them as world class defenders but they seem to be getting worse over the course of the season.

I think some serious questions need to be looked at within the management and coaching staff at the club as I can't believe all players suddenly become like rabbits in headlights if you know what I mean.

It may be a case of average players from poorer teams coming to us but I don't think that's the case, in fact when some of those players were bought I thought like many, great as if i'm honest they looked good buys when playing for other teams.

Now we have Swansea on the up who play like they have always been in the Prem, West Brom who have surpassed themselves, all with little spend. but there seems to be desire and a belief in themselves.

Maybe the envelopes and critism of the players isn't the answer from the management, because if someone at work told me I was crap and look for another job I don't think i'd be that bothered to work my socks off or give 100%, do you agree?

Something is fundamentally wrong at LFC and its set up in my opinion, we can talk about chop and change but they get paid for playing football not politics so the skill or desire should be the same surely.

Let me know what you think i'd be interested

I've said the same as you about the players coming in on Twitter, but at the end of the day, they are just all individual players, not a team. Look at us under Rafa playing Northampton and getting beat. WE had 11 good players out there, but how often had they played as a team.

Saying all that Downing was told he could look elsewhere and he seems to have turned it around, likewise with Henderson although why he was not wanted is beyond me!

I would also like to know what luck is and how it works, as we seem devoid of it right now. It's like in snooker recently, someone did great shots but the balls didn't spread 'nicely' and yet when the other guy did similar they did. Is this luck or poor shot selection?

Keith

This post hits the nail on the head for all that's been wrong with Liverpool this season. FSG are so "hands off" that they are probably not even aware of the problem.

13 Feb 2013 12:26:09
to the first poster.
the club you talk about. sunderland, new castle, blackpool, swansea. are midtable club.
suarez. bought from ajax. is doing what he is bought.
sturridge bought from chelsea. would eventually be a good signing.
you need to bring players from top quality clubs. or else take a gamble. but not with 20, 16, 35 mill.
michu 2 mil. assaidi 1.5 mill.

simple as that.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:34:31
THERE ARE TWO REAL QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING - JUST TWO. BUT IMPORTANT ONES.

The first is about last night's game featuring Celtic and Juventus. When - let me repeat as it seems so important to do so - WHEN will we see a ban on the holding in the box that is killing the game?
It's no use Andy Townsend and "Listen to me I'm Stan Collymore and I've played the game!" saying it's wrong every time it happens. IT IS KILLING THE GAME!
If I can see it and you can and millions of fans, then why can the officials not see it?
Don't want to hear that it's impossible to control or stop - first offence, card and penalty. Second offence, card and penalty, third. and you think the managers will allow it to go on?
Staggered as to why we just put up with this. Why?

Second: we have changed managers three times in 27 months. We are not a Chelsea, but I ask a question - is Brendan Rodgers really the man for us? I no longer believe so. I am very happy to be told he is without any vitriol. I am simply stating my views. My real concern is that we cannot afford (not just financially) to keep changing a manager. This is a worrying time and not simply because we are losing games.

Stabasco 99

The problem with managers is attracting them. You will not get a big manager unless you offer a big transfer kitty - end of story. In addition, they expect guarentees regarding their contract being honoured if they are 'moved on' - without that, they aren't in the slightest interested. Personally I always thought Laudrup should have been or target, but Rodgers it is and Rodgers it will remain for 3 seasons at least. So get used to it. RED LENIN

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:33:21
Just a thought: Michael Laudrup has taken the Swansea team he inherited from Rodgers and made them: better defensively; more effective going forward; move the ball forward more quickly. He has also brought in players cheaply, improved the league form and taken the team to a cup final.

Brendan Rodgers has taken the Liverpool team he inherited from Dalglish and made them: defensively brittle; pass a bit more; take too much time to get the ball forward. He has also brought in players for a lot of money, whilst being no better off in the league, and out of two cup competitions.

Like I said, just a thought.

jph

We are moving forwarded :-)

Can't disagree with that

You shuld tex that to FSG

Michael Laudrup has taken the swansea team he inherited from Brendan Rodgers and barely tinkered with the style Rodgers instilled in the team. added a few cheap gambles that happened to pan out (michu) and has full backing from fans and players.

Brendan Rodges has take a Liverpool team he inherited from KK, completely switched the tactics, gambled on three young players in allen sturridge and borini who are all still very young and has 0 backing from the fans.

you see what I did there?

- SLIM

Well said SLIM!

13 Feb 2013 17:53:15
So you class the kop singing Rodgers name as zero support Slim. Wow.

Waro

Yes, I see what you did there: you left out De Guzman, Hernandes and Flores, who cost next to nothing. You mentioned Allen and Borini who cost a combined 25mil, hardly setting the world alight are they?
Laudrup isn't playing 'tiki taka', he's playing effective attacking football that dumped our arses out of the cup.
Liverpool have played passing football for the last 40 years, so the idea that Rodgers has re-invented our tactics is laughable, unless you think it's great to over-pass the ball and not score enough?
Swansea fans are made up because they're f###ing Swansea! Liverpool are supposed to be aiming for more than top ten.
Jph

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:18:12
Would you all be happy if we kept changing managers every season? We are not Chelsea so give things time and have some patience

No. I would say stop appointing managers that are not up to the job and get in someone who we can ALL believe in and keep him for 20 years.

What like how you all believed in say King Kenny when he was first brought back? Get a grip boys, doesn't matter who you bring in, when they lose a game, all you fickle fans will want them gone.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 10:01:44
I have waited a couple of days before posting to allow myself to calm down. Agger was absolute rubbish and we shouldn't have made those three substitutions. RED LENIN

Totally agree on this, but at least Agger admitted the same about his play on Twitter and hopefully will learn from it. Likewise about Brendan and his sometimes weird substitutions he makes at times. As with Agger, he needs to learn from his mistakes, as in my view it's about the game and not an individual player needing time on the pitch! Players out of form or needing time on the pitch, should be left for Thursday evening games, although saying that, I still want to win those.

Keith

 

 

13 Feb 2013 09:44:41
I've heard we're looking at signing a goalkeeper, two centrebacks, a defensive midfielder, a left back, an attacking midfielder, a striker, a right winger. It's going to be a massive summer and we should see Rodgers put his stamp on the squad by the end of it. I think we can only judge once he's done that, at the minute he's currently working with players he doesn't want yet still getting the best out of them.

We can expect to see Reina, Wilson, Carragher, Coates, Spearing, Carroll, Pacheco, Downing leave and the staff are hoping this can raise around £30m to add to our kitty of around the same price, possibly more.

Hmm that is too much movement in and out. I reckon it will be more like a GK, a CB, a versatile fullback (someone who can play both LB and RB), Ince and one more attacker.

 

 

13 feb 2013 09:25:41
heres a song for the blinkered

"always look on the bright side of life"

monty python lol

i think that should be our new song for anfield.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 09:22:15
AC17 and others.

I don't buy this "who else would you get if we sacked Rodgers" nonsense! Is he the ONLY option? Really we have no alternative to an inexperienced manager who is floundering? Cut all the loyal support rubbish, LFC bacame successful by being ruthless.

EG Shanks once called an acadamey kid to his office, the kid hoped he was to be told he would get a pro contract, Shanks said "aye son your S***e, your no footballer" that was it.

If Rodgers is our only option then that says more about our decline as a great club than anything.

If it ain't working change it!

Go ed then, give us all a name?

He wouldn't of taken that job if FSG had given him any indication that he may potentially lose his job within the first season.

Remember, he DID knock-it-back originally.

Both FSG AND Brendan knew this was a re-building process and the attributes and age of the signings suggest this.

Sort it out.

DaveyBootle

Carlo Ancelotti may be available come summer. He's a proven winner at the highest level. LFC should pull out all the stops to get him.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 09:11:06
Right now the the dust has settled remember.
Rome wasn't built in a day.

Reusch.

At least in Rome on the first day they didn't overspend on the wrong kind of concrete! And they didn't appoint as project manager Rodgerio Brendonani whose previous building experience was putting up a bookcase for in a small Villa in Wales!

He is not capable of building a Bastion of Invincibility, he talks that is all.

Hhaha funny post but I have to say you are right about senior Rodgerio brendonani rome was build with top top architect

Rome would have been built in a day, but they had to wait for the paint to dry.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 08:56:24
Rodgers in his first interview after signing for us said we had players who were not good enough to play for LFC. He even went further to list some players whom he said would let us down.

As a result, he told the likes of Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carrol that they were free to leave, and despite having just been brought in Adam was sold and Carrol was loaned out, which is quite reasonable since he wasn't going to be played by Rodgers.

As this was going on, I felt it was a personal vendetta against the King and his signings. And to buttress this point, our owners came out and said we are correcting the errors of previous regimes.

But looking back at Kenny's era, I think it would be fair to say the King was harshly treated by owners. Kenny was just a victim of circumstances who couldn't really get what he wanted. But he also didn't help himself either because, the fact you don't get what you want does not mean you should settle for what is not good enough. I don't know if Comoli is to blame here because he did those transactions.

For instance, we wanted Lorente and Gomes but we settled for Carrol. We wanted Ashley Young amd Phil jones but settled Downing and Coates.

But these signings were still doing okay till we lost Lucas and Adam to injuries and things began to fall apart. Then we started crying for a striker in the last two January Window and Kenny said we were not signing anybody. But deep down, he still hoped we could do some business because he asked the former Wolves Manager if our game could be shifted to monitor what happened on deadline day. But nothing happened and that is all history now.

Then in came Rodgers and he was given money to get us a striker. But despite us being linked with Jackson, Martinez and Soldado at the time, Rodgers inexplicably went for Borini and said he would excite us. FSG gave him the money and he got his man.

Again we called for a wing forward who could score goals and we had been linked with Belhanda at the time. But Rodgers again went for Allen and told us he was the Welsh Xavi and we all agreed.

Then out of the blue, Assaidi arrived from heaven and they said he was the African version of Messi and we all rejoiced.

Again Rodgers cried out loud for more money to bring in more Apostles of his phylosophy and he got the money and snatched Sahin from the loose clutches of Arsene Wenger and we did rejoice again and again and were optimistic.

But as the season commenced, we were dealt a harsh blow by West Brom and Rodgers arrogantly told us to our faces that there would be more days like that. And true to his words, we have been living with more bad days than good ones.

Last Window, we got Sturidge and Coutinho but then Rodgers demoted Skrtel, another decission that is as laughable as it is ridiculous because even Carrager himself has said on countless occassions that he is no longer the future of LFC and Skrtel was our best player last season. Now all of a sudden, we want to sell Skrtel so we can sign another hobit.

The truth is Rodgers cannot give us what we want - unearthing cheap but effective bargains like Michu, Sissoko and Diame; he cannot give us European football because he does not have it in his CV, unlike Rafa and finally, his phylosophy is not good for us.

Our phylosophy should be about high tempo attacking and scoring goals. The team right now is playing according to BR's phylosophy, which is all about possession in your own half and midfield, yet posing no goal threat.

Many have said here that this phylosophy takes time to adapt, but Laudrop has changed Swansea's style and didn't ask for more time. Even Southampton now play quick tempo while we have continued with our slow and lethargic style.

Rodgers is making mistakes that needs to be corrected now. Idealism and reality aren't the same and we must realise this. If he cannot change to high tempo pressigng and quick passing, then he is not for us. Why pay big money for players only for them to come here to sit back and relax? You must work your socks off if you play for LFC and as a manager, you must deliver and show you are capable.

Abroad Red.

The best post I have read in ages

Its fair

Balanced

And unfortunately

Very True

Liberias31

13 Feb 2013 09:30:37
Excellent post lad. Only point I would maybe slightly disagree with is skrtel, but spot on with the rest.

Waro

Another post that mentions rafa! He's to blame for our downfall, I don't get why people can't see it! How many players who he bought turned out to be hits in over 200 player transfers

We create lots of chances, don't know where you came up with that statement.

An excellent post and very true. The many ostriches here, will, as usual, disagree.
The post is accurate.
I hope that FSG read it.
They have lost face over Rodgers and are probably in denial like some of the eds and posters here.
At the end of the season in 12th position and out of Europe, will be comment enough.

Mojito

 

 

13 Feb 2013 08:15:09
Eds do you think there is a chance of us getting Micah Richards as a replacement for Carra/Skrtel as I know he has been out injured and is close to a return but Cty seem to prefer Zabalata, and he would be first choice at Liverpool and is very good.

Johnson_Richards_Agger_Enrique

BigD {Ed002's Note - There has been no interest shown by Liverpool so I cannot sensibly answer, sorry.}

When is he not injured? again another athlete and nothing exceptional.

kidmillions

 

 

13 Feb 2013 07:41:22
victor wanyama and E Ambrose, both IN

They both looked bobbins playing for Celtic in CL last night. More mediocrity isn't the answer right now.

Flidwithaquid

 

 

13 Feb 2013 07:27:02
Hi guys, me and my 2 boys just home from our first trip to anfield. It was an honour to stand beside shanks statue and see the kop and just take it all in. Unfortunately it wasn't the result we had hoped for. We all were disappointed at the flat atmosphere on the night. We were expecting more. My oldest boy (14) couldn't believe the amount of people who left early as the stands were near empty by full time. As he said himself he would never leave until its all over and people who go every week don't realise how fortunate the are. We consider ourselves very lucky to of been to a match and will try and come back as soon as pos. I'd like also to mention how nice and helpful we found all the staff at the ground even the police in directing us in the right way to get a taxi back to hotel. A special thanks to Joe Allen who took the time to come over to the fence and sign the books for my lads. He the only one who bothered. Stevie G didn't even look up nor most of the others though we did see Jamie stop to sign for some people but we couldn't get to him in time. Anyway that's our first trip over. Hope to do it again with a better result next time.
Donegal red

To be fair I got Stevie g autograph on a train once :p although he was prob well annoyed at the game

Londonred

Stevie is normally the best at that to be fair on him. he was probably annoyed with the result

Welcome to modern football.

I had similar experience against Arsenal at Anfield earlier in season. My first match after 40 years following the team. Awful atmosphere, awful game, players did not in any way acknowledge the fans before game. Was really disappointed with occasion. Not the Liverpool experience I was expecting. Am Red through and through and would go again as it was great to finally get to Anfield but would hope for a much better time.
Red Knight

 

 

13 Feb 2013 07:09:51
I hear a lot of people saying Rodgers has spent 60 million.

Can anyone break that figure down for me because I can only recall:

Allen
Borini
Assaidi
Yesil
Sahin
Sturridge

Doesn't even come to 50 million does it?

{Ed002's Note - You have forgotten Coutinho and it is a little under £58M on transfers but you need to add on VAT, agent fees, VAT on agent fees, relocation costs, signing on fees, commission to the FA etc which makes it a lot higher.}

Ed002 what is the FA commission for? Is it in paid in cases that a player is found to be an 'exceptional talent'? Thanks {Ed002's Note - It is paid for administration of the transfer - in the future we may see a significant increase under what is being deemed a "fair play levy" which will see a second level of charges applied for higher transfer fees with the income supporting less well of clubs' academies etc..}

Out of all the players you listed only DS has done well that's a pretty poor record of buys.

Funny because under kenny there was only Suarez who did well. Fact

Yeah so Rodgers should get the same fait as Kenny. The SACK

13 Feb 2013 14:44:42
well kenny spend much much much much much much much much much much more, downing and henderson are on 80k aweek eeeee "MATE" that's about 4, 2M pounds a year on wages alone each, you think what the their club recieves is the only money?
well
20 M on downing
20 M on Henderson (it was 16, but not has played a lot of ganmes and activated certain clauses)
8M on adam
7M Coates
23M Suarez (the only player comolli pushed and signed)
35M Caroll
7 Enrique plus their high wages that follows

thats around 120 M plus 25 M in ag

Well kenny spend much much much much much much much much much much more, downing and henderson are on 80k aweek eeeee "MATE" that's about 4, 2M pounds a year on wages alone each, you think what the their club recieves is the only money?
well
20 M on downing
20 M on Henderson (it was 16, but not has played a lot of ganmes and activated certain clauses)
8M on adam
7M Coates
23M Suarez (the only player comolli pushed and signed)
35M Caroll
7 Enrique plus their high wages that follows

thats around 120 M plus 25 M in agent fees extg plus around what 45-50 M on contracts? are you for real? even brendan spendig 55 M saved us atleast 25M a year on the wage bill you clueless fickle fan!

PHARAOH

 

 

13 Feb 2013 06:53:14
Right, it's now 2 days after a horrid smash and grab, which, truth be told, we've inflicted on others several times in the past.

Loads of negatives, but some positives too.

Head wobble, learn and move on.

How many more times are we going to have to say this?
Red Knight

 

 

13 Feb 2013 06:49:51
Well Chelsea season ticket holder Martin Broughton has really done a job on us.
Sacked Rafa
Appointed Hodgson
No new stadium
Owners who aren't bothered enough to attend games and then sack legends and appoint novices.

Since he came to the club, look at how we've fallen!

13 Feb 2013 08:44:58
same as they are in now.
torres and rafa. doing damage as per their fans.

 

 

13 Feb 2013 05:37:59
All those people saying Rodgers should be sacked etc. Who else is there to take over as manager? Roy Hodgson is the worst manager ever in the history of our club, his all round tatics were awful and boring! Rafa screwed us up big time and got what he deserved. sacked! Dalglish probably could of had one more season but the owners didn't want him too, so they decided to get a young up and coming manager with lots of potential, ok it's been an up and down season but I expected it to be like that! Whoever thought we would be challenging for the title is deluded, just because we are Liverpool doesn't give us the right to be up there challenging, fact is we are paying the price of previous managers and owners mistakes! Top 4 was always a long shot this season, however I expect us to get there next season and get top 4! Hopefully!

Ack17

Why had Kenny only got one more season left in him? SAF is ten years older than Kenny and still the best manager in the EPL whether we want to admit that or not

its the reality

Ancelloti, Mourinho (dreamworld but why not try?)
Aim high and reap the rewards; be blinded by mediocrity (hi Brendan) and finish in 6th to 8th position every year.

Sid

 

 

13 Feb 2013 05:27:05
It Hurts me to say this, But Yes Suarez loves the club, But he will quietly tell Liverpool without European Football he needs to relish chances elsewhere. Also this is business and to make profit, Asking price this summer will start at £48 Mil.
-Hairy Yonk. Hope I am wrong, but with that Money buy good youth? Stevie and Jamie going to be gone. Time to start off anew.

I fully expect to see Suarez at either Inter, Roma or Juventus come the start of next season. And I formly belive any transfer money gained will be used to start paying more debt down. RED LENIN

 

 

13 Feb 2013 05:02:18
Are Liverpool looking at any strong/ big midfielders. I feel this is an area we should improve especially against more physical teams. Rodgers seems to be only interested in more skillful but weaker midfielders. Pls answer. {Ed002's Note - I think the focus in teh summer will be the defence.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 03:38:30
Slate me all you want, but I truly believe BR is the right man for the job. I believe in his philosophy and his signings. if we aren't in the champions league we can't attract top players like the cavanis and eriksens that so many of you wish for. trust the manager and give the signings time. lfc pride themselves in having some of the best fans across Europe so try and get with the program and be patient. on another note, once reina is gone and we get another couple center backs with Kelly comin backand probably left back cover we will do much better. YNWA

NDred

13 Feb 2013 08:47:39
those fans and figures and nos. are decreasing day by day mate.
we were top on the world when we we had europeon nights.
its been 3 long years. no wednesday night football at anfield.
and can't see us in the elite list sooner.
the fact.
mancheseter city replaced us from the top 4.
its impossible to be in that list again.

Rodgers 'philosophy' is a load of empty David Brent rhetoric. He's a snake-oil salesman. Ask yourself: would you buy a second-hand car from the guy? He'd try to convince you it was a brand new Roller.

Thatbloke

 

 

13 Feb 2013 03:06:29
Anyone know if Sturridge will be available for Swansea? {Ed002's Note - The club say he is OK now.}

 

 

13 Feb 2013 00:51:50
Who do we realistically sign / sell in the summer to get back up the table?
No stupid prices, just name drop realistically as FSG don't seem to operate from a budget.

 

 

12 Feb 2013 23:52:49
If an fan of another team were to come here and read the post i'm fairly sure they would stay away from Liverpool fans for the sheer amount of negative b*llsh!t that comes from their mouths. I really do worry sometimes.

However I happen to know some good human beings with qualities half of you don't posses. These people are real fans who go the game every week and share exactly the same views as me. When I talk to these people I regain faith in the fans of Liverpool because they convince me that you negative persons are the minority.

I sincerely hope you are.

There are millions of things that have gone wrong this seasoand there are a few positive things about this season, however there are many things that could have gone better for us this season that would leave us very much in contention for a top four spot.

There are two things that have left us where we are in the table. One is bad luck. The other is poor attitude.

Now we can't do much about bad luck, and let's face it football is a b!tch to us. We can however do something about poor attitude. And that starts with the fans.

If we just stick behind the team no matter what for the rest of the season, even if we don't get champions league, the journey will be a lot more of a pleasure for the rest of us.

Anonymous woolback

 

 

12 Feb 2013 23:44:57
I'd be glad if McSkrtel was going in the summer so I wouldn't have to read all the ridiculous spellings for him!!

It's as annoying as aquaman was.

Jimbob

 

 

 
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