Liverpool Banter Archive April 13 2012
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13 Apr 2012 23:42:46
Why are the owners not going to wembley, one of them could havr stayed, not a good sign I think
Where is John Henry this weekend? I would of thought he would of loved going to Wembley and watching his expensive mistake at the pitch.
John Henry has gone back to Boston to see his real love Boston Red Sox
Grow up - Im sure they will be there if we make the final
cozinoz
Are Boston Red Sox in a cup semi final too? or was the carling cup day out too much for him. Is his ticket going spear? would he like to donate it to me.
It's A Semi Final. Not The Olympics.
Do you want the owners to PRETEND to be happy with the results? even if we do win this cup the season would still be a failier. the goal champions league and right now we are 8th, 7th is the highest place we can get. that's no better than last season no wait its worse.
Today was opening day at Fenway Park and the kick off of the park's centennial celebration. They would have been tarred and feathered had they not made an appearance. But the day is done, so it might be okay for you to borrow an owner or two for the weekend.
John ct
If I was offered 2 cups or fourth admittedly I would of chosen fourth as this shoes progress and allows you to move to the next level by attracting world class players
4th spot does not mean you that you have won something. and it does not mean that you have qualified for CL proper. You will still have to play a quali to get in.
13 Apr 2012 23:37:45
My team for tomorrow against the bitters:
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Henderson Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
maka
________1. Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
I would play the usual back line if they are fit.
________20. Spearing
I would play spearing, only because we need DM cover for the back line. He would have to do alot of tackling and getting in and stuck in against a Everton team.
_____Henderson
Henderson is best of a bad bunch in the center so he would be our creative midfielder who will be outlet for the ball. Hopefully he won't mess up and has enough experience to get through this type of game. Shelvey is just too young for this game, but is better passer.
_____________Gerrard
Gerrard would be restored to 2nd striker role or Attacking midfielder in my 5 man midfield. I would want him to be all over the pitch like his life depended on it. One last show for the fans. We want to see greatness from Gerrard. I would let him run the show tomorrow. Captain has to drag the rest of the team into life.
1st half. Bellamy_____________1st. Maxi
I would be playing a defensive counter attacking formation, looking to hit everton on the break. Liverpool are always better on the counter in cup competitions. So I would want alot of workrate from Bellamy and maxi for first 45minutes. They would only get 45minutes and I tell them that for tomorrow game. Let them run their hearts out for 45minutes. They have an important job to do tomorrow and get up and break on the counter, but also keep it tight at the back. So lots of work-rate from them. They would get replaced by Kuyt and Downing at Half time.
2nd half Kuyt(sub)_________2ndDowning
______________7. Suarez
I going to trust in Suarez for the full 90minutes. I would look for him to get mobile. Move around the top. drag inbetween the fullback, cbks. But stay mobile upfront. I believe he could be just as effective as a lone striker, if he is allowed to stay mobile and drag players out of position.
6. Aurelio
38. Flanagan
20. Spearing
33. Shelvey
9. Carroll
16. Coates
My bench would be weak, full of our kids. Depending on what happens, we have one sub for injuries.
I don't think this should be a game for children. Flanagan caused us a lot of games recently. I think Carroll will be on the piss in london tonight. Coates is too young to risk,
I wouldn't play him, but play him but we don't have anyone who can tackle in the center. I would let Downing play in that position.
& 33. Shelvey
C Adam Knee Injury
M Kelly Ankle/Foot Injury
J Robinson Ankle/Foot Injury
L Leiva Knee Injury
J Reina Red Card
Doni Red Card
13 Apr 2012 23:36:09
AJ, your missing my point and I don't appreciate being patronised about global poverty.
Im merely making an observation, FSG have bought into Liverpool to make money. They've stated that they want to either redevelop Anfield or build a new ground, the overiding principal behind this being to bolster revenue. They are also seeking to sell the Liverpool brand in new markets. Do you think their doing this for fun? It's standard valuation practice to value a business on the basis of an industry recognised multiplier against an average turnover taken from a 3 year trading period. Mark my words, if FSG are here for the long term, there main objective will be to achieve a capital value of circa £1 billion similar to Utd, so I don't know how your looking at this situation but to phrase the comparison 'idiotic', in my opinion is a bit short sighted on your behalf.
Further I don't particularly care if Liverpool are in the championship let alone mid table mediocracy, I'll still be at the games. I completely agree with you regarding players wages and greed, it's outrageous for the reasons you've stated. My posts are aimed at the fans out there wanting instant success and blaming Kenny for not bringing it. I'm quite sure that if the short list of players Commolli was giving Kenny to choose from included the sort of talent we see attracting £125k a week, we'd be a bit closer to the title and certainly within the top 4.
I'm getting criticised for supposedly whining about the 'resale' principle and my negative opinion of the owners. I understand Commolli was employed by FSG as he sold himself on the basis that he had connections to attract and bring in the best talent around Europe. Did the owners think Commolli was good muckers with this so called talent and because of this he would be able to bypass their agents and bring them to the club on the cheap? There's only one thing that brings young talent to a football club in this modern age of football and that's pound notes.
What I'm effectively saying is these owners are in it to make money, we aren't a Chelsea or City. On that basis, the posters on here whining about Kenny should take a step back and look at the bigger picture and the constraints he's having to work under compared to the managers of the teams people are expecting us to compete against.
Ozone
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Ozone mate, some good points u made. But u just can't take the global poverty as nothing. It is our children and grand children who is going to suffer because of our irresponsibility. Any way take that topic away.
I understand your point regarding the owners that they are shrewd businessman, but which owner is not, Even Chelsea and Man city owners who spend their own money on players wages are not fans of their respective clubs and they too are the business men and Abrahimovich sees Chelsea only as a toy and this is from one of my mate's mouth who is a Chelsea fan.
Coming to fans who want instant success and also including you who want us to pay massive wages to players. I have one question. I think owners will be more than willing to spend top dollar for the players if we fans who demand instant success do one thing, Pay some thing around 150-200 pounds every single match they visit to stadium to see an LFC match, doesn't matter what competition that is. If fans are ready to spend their hard earned top dollar for tickets I am sure owners will abide to the demands. Do all the fans who are die hard enough to call the head of a legend of the club are dare enough to spend that kind of money. If they do i will admit they are the true supporters and i will bow down to them and will listen to every thing they say and accept it. But that is simply not the case in reality right!
And regarding the Stadium situation, as many of us too feel it is being dragged a little too long. But they need to make a decision that is sensible and not disturb the investment that is needed for playing staff. They cant make rash decisions since that might severely hinder our progress on the field in the short and middle term. But as we know it is pretty much set that we are going to stay at redeveloped Anfield as many experts suggest here. But it is better to make sure everything is solved like the issues around the ground and once the project starts no one will abrupt it. That is what i believe is the reason for delay. But its is better to wait than to hear " the spade will be on the ground in 6 months", LOL.
These guys might be slow in making decisions but they are very committed in their vision and its their strong business mentality that makes them to take the club where it needs to be to earn that kind of money and for that the club need success and they are making everything in their power to make sure it happens. And u can't question that.
Regarding Dalglish i do feel he sometimes frustrates me with some tactics like continual change in attack and also defense these recent months (which is not his fault, only injuries) and all of a sudden we are leaking goals. I find his subs rather bizzare especially timing and not playing carroll when downing is on the pitch. Eg: Last week villa game where when downing is in good touch and delivering some superb crosses in the box, he takes him out and brings in Carroll. And also benching Carroll when ever he scores or he is in good form. There are also quite a few others. But every person makes a mistake including managers and it could be learning curve to a person who is out of game for some time. So it needs patience in all quarters, I am patient enough since i learned with the experiences in my own life where i learned hard work will ultimately pay and at the end of it u feel so satisfied u fell u earned what u achieved. But do others have same kind of patience? I am a person who believe u will only know the brightness of light when u suffered the fear of darkness which makes life and lessons so valuable.
Sorry if u feel i was little harsh on u yesterday mate.
AJ
I read this article last week AJ mate. And I wanted to ask people. Does this have any bearing on what happens with our ground?
" Housing in Anfield is about to enter a new era, thanks to ambitious plans from the city council.
The council's Cabinet is set to approve proposals on Friday 30 March to drive forward the regeneration of a key area in L4 affected by the ending of the Housing Market Renewal Initiative (HMRI) - and for the area to be re-named ˜Anfield Village.'
It will signal the start of a programme of work by the city council, the Homes and Communities Agency and Arena Housing Association, to refurbish properties in the area and create a revitalised community where people want to live.
The plans will bring together the former phases 6 and 7 of the Anfield Breckfield HMRI Area into one major project. The area, which contains more than 600 properties, falls within the boundary of Back Rockfield Road, Walton Breck Road, Sleepers Hill and Saker Street.
Liverpool City Council, working with its partners, plans to refurbish as many properties as possible, but some will have to be demolished, as part of the overall strategy to regenerate the area and drive up the quality of housing.
The council's Cabinet Member for Housing and Community Safety, Councillor Ann O'Byrne, said: Our Anfield Village plans aim to accelerate the regeneration of the area, providing modern, affordable homes which people want to live in and creating a vibrant, attractive neighbourhood that everybody can be proud of.
There's a great deal of work to do, but I'm delighted that firm plans are now being put in place to finally breathe new life into housing in the area. It's really good news for the local community who have been left in limbo since the scrapping of the HMRI programme.
I'm looking forward to these plans really gaining momentum in the coming months. Working together with residents, we can deliver long overdue housing improvements for Anfield and start building a brighter future for the area.
The majority of the properties in the new Anfield Village are small terraces with access straight from the pavement, high vacancy rates, no back gardens and in poor condition. Partners have agreed that the properties and surrounding environment will have to be significantly altered, in order to be attractive to new and existing residents.
A number of options are being explored, including creating larger houses for families by knocking two-into-one and carrying out selective demolition to create space for gardens in the remaining properties.
Partners are also working together to explore possible sources of funding, such as the new Empty Homes Grant, which is available for local authorities to bid in to, and is particularly aimed at areas of low housing demand.
The full range of options for the area are now being worked up, to be presented to residents at community consultation events in April. Work could begin as early as this summer. {Ed001's Note - that's what I have been saying mate. The whole area has to be regenerated to allow the ground to be expanded.}
Sent a reply to AJ about the 'Anfield Village' forgot to sign it mate. Sorry for pasting Ed.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Cheers Ed. Do you think that this is the beginning of the redevelopment of Anfield?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - it is part of the whole thing. If you look into what has happened at Man City that will give you an idea.}
I'm very impressed what they are doing at Man City. The figure being quoted was close to a billion on what they doing mate. How much do you think it will cost us? Obviously not a billion but with no sponsor, it could cost a few quid. Which will inevitably heap debt on the club.
Is this correct? Or am I talking b*llocks again?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - it could well put a large amount of debt on the club, but they are hoping to work with partners to cut costs. Hence why it has taken so long, the whole area will be regenerated and benefit massively. It will probably just mean that we won't get much benefit from increased attendances immediately.}
Do you think the Football club will get involved in development of housing around the ground. The way Arsenal have in North London. With David Dein on board, will we be looking to make a profit on housing. {Ed001's Note - they have to develop the whole area to make it possible to increase the capacity enough to make it worthwhile, that includes housing.}
Before anyone starts moaning about the debt. Whether it was redevelopment or new Stadium, we would still have to sustain some debt to get the extra capacity.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
13 Apr 2012 23:34:30
Spurs will be relegated next season and s***e hart lane will be empty every week.
JJ LFC
This clown is so ridiculous he's managed to get Arsenal posters sticking up for Spurs! May I suggest he goes to a bookies and see who they think are more likely to get relegated out of Liverpool and Spurs
So what! Stop boring us with useless garbage.
MR EM
Sorry sorry, big clubs tend not to get relegated. Asrenal and Liverpool will stay. If Harry leaves, along with the sure departure of modric and the inability to pay adebayors wages, with braca coming in with a bid for bale, and the lack of interest from players across the world to come play for tottnham leaves that the most probable happening, Liverpool and aresnal will Finnish above tottnham. Though I admitt, spouts CURRENTlY are a strong side.
AnfieldUSA
Tottenham are very well run football club. That is set on a sound financial footing. So they won't run out of money and they may make it into the Champions league. The group that own Tottenham also own football clubs in europe.
Plus Harry Rednapp has a nack of building good footballing sides. Something Damien Commili didn't do. Harry has managed to plug the weaknesses in Tottenhams squad and they look like CL contenders.
Thats more than Liverpool could say. Our squad has so many roles in it.
This is just a brief breakdown of Arry's transfer history since joining Totteham October 2008 for anyone that's interseted. You'll see how good he is at fixing the squad. removing tottenham traditional weaknesses.
January 2009 transfer window
Ins = Keane 12m , Chimbonda 2m, Palacios 12m, Defoe 9m , Cudicini free
Outs = Ghaly 1m
Net = 34m
Summer 2009 transfer window
Ins =CBK Bassong 8m,STK Crouch 9m , AM Kranjcar 2m,AM Kyle Naughton 4m, FBK Walker 3.5m
Outs = Bent 12m , Chimbonda 2m , Kevin Prince Boateng 4.5m, Zokora 8.6m
Net = -0.6m
January 2010 transfer window
Ins : Kaboul 6m
Out : nobody
Net = 6m
Summer 2010 transfer window
Ins = Van der Vaart 8M, Sandro 8.5m , Gallas free
Out = Taarabt 1m
Net = 15.5m
January 2011 transfer window
Ins = Pienaar 2.5m
Out = Nobody
Net = 2.5m
Summer 2011 transfer window
Ins = Parker 5m, Adebayor loan, Fridel free
Out= Crouch 10m, Palacios 8m, Hutton 4m , O'Hara 5m , Keane 3.5m
Net = -25.5m
January 2012 transfer window
Ins = Saha free, Nelson Free
out = Pavlychenko 8m
Net = -8m
So in a little over 3 years Harry Redknapp has a net spend of 23.5m. That's amazing work. Totteham don't have to continuously spend big to get a good squad of players together. Its a very good squad put together for less money than what we spent on Henderson + Downing.
'big clubs tend not to be relegated' Leeds United got relegated as did newcastle, both massive clubs, Size has no bearing on results, look at Norwich.
13 Apr 2012 23:27:26
You all bang on about a chelsea mentality with managers, but they are higher in the table than you, fighting for champions league football, something you can only dream off with that useless scott in charge.
Useless would surely be the ability to use the wrong spelling of 'scott' when trying to be clever.
And they was knocked out of the League cup and beaten TWICE at home by our great scott!!
MR EM
Hasnt your mother told you not bother big boys and girls( 4 u ed2 )?
AnfieldUSA
Fernando Torres - 50 million
David Luiz - 23 million
Juan Mata - 23.5 million
Lukaku - 18 million
Romeo - 5 million
Raul Meirelles - 12 million
Thibaut Courtois - 8 million
These are the Chelsea transfers in the same period in which the media is accusing us of spending money of not so good players.
Ed, I know for sure that being a club in London is advantageous but why are the media turning a blind eye to Chelsea?
They are doing no better in the league. With upcoming away matches against Arsenal and Liverpool, Chelsea ar def not the favorite for the fourth spot?
This is discrimnation.
And the worst thing is that our fans are taking the carrot as well. Getting on the back of their team instwead of supporting.
LiverBird {Ed001's Note - well they are above us in the league.}
Not trying to be clever at all, and whether i mis-spell scot isnt important. Youre sinking further down the league and Dalgleish isnt helping, no doubt he's iconic for your club, just not a good manager. Im sick of seeing liverpool below spurs. Its not cricket.
LiverBirds answer is so typical of fans now, you blame the media, referees and anything else you can thing of to defer any blame from you Lord Kenny and the team who are woefully under-performing.
And on the Chelsea signings
Mata and Merelles are both great signings (youve been a much worse team since Raul jumped ship)
Lukaku, Romeo and Curtois are all young with high potential (Much like Carroll and Henderson..)
And Torres.. well yeah i give you that.
Back to the point there is no discrimination against liverpool the media report anything they can about anyone. Stop blaming everything and everyone else for how badly you're playing and stop blindly following Kenny. He was a fantastic player, mediocre manager. {Ed001's Note - no Meireles is awful and we were better without him until Lucas got injured. Raul was not missed in the slightest and he has been awful for Chelsea too.}
He's a great backup player, you just proved that: 'better without him untill lucas got injured' lucas is injured now you're not better without him. {Ed001's Note - no, what I proved is we miss Lucas, we didn't miss him as we were awful with him alongside Lucas. He is not good enough for us and not good enough for you.}
Im an Arsenal fan, i do like LFC as a club,more so before the handling of the suarez thing just cant understand why people dont seem to be asking questions of the manager purely because of his status
Look it doesn't matter what other teams are doing it's about us. we are 8th, the highest place we could get is 7th.
13 Apr 2012 23:12:58
why do you all jump on the lets give eds/macca shabite band wagon when sometimes they get it wrong. i mean give them a break they try to get us info and if it is wrong you basically want thier heads whats up with lfc fans nowadays want everything thier and then.( Rant over ) eds any intrest in sturridge ? love the site by the way
13 Apr 2012 23:00:00
The owners have gone home and wont be at wemvley according to bbc
Isnt it 100 year anniversary of Fenway Park.
Dirks Engine Room
I won't be at wemvley either - I don't know where it is!
DM2012
13 Apr 2012 22:48:23
someone mentionec somethink before about alonso comming back these are my thoughts i have had for a couple of weeks
make of it what you will.
Alonso loves liverpool fact
wants to come back one day fact
he will probably win la liga season maybe even champs league so he has no reason to stay after that.
mourinho will probs go too in summer abd there not gunna get a better replacement so mite as well leave
he can see liverpool in a strugle and im sure he will want to help and get us back were belong and go down as a lfc great.
yeh he doesnt suit fsg policy buh he will last 5 years doin the job he does e.g scholes.
and if we was already kn champs league and challenging for major honours would we really need him back.
hes a wanted man by the club and fans and he knows it he knows we love him.
DaGaffa
''he will probably win la liga season maybe even champs league so he has no reason to stay after that.''
Simples!
He is too old know, and in the fifa 12 team of the year.
13 Apr 2012 22:46:40
anybody have any news or pics on new kit for next season ?
It may be red
Martin
13 Apr 2012 22:36:31
May the Spirit of Shankly inspire the lads tomorrow and make us all proud to be redmen as in the past.
Red till I die.
13 Apr 2012 22:09:14
any thoughts for the team tomorrow ?
GK; JONES
DEF; JOHNSON, SKIRTL, AGGER,ENRIQUE
MID; GERRARD,SPEARING,HENDERSON,MAXI
FWD; CARROLL, SUAREZ
SUBS; GULACSI,CARRAGHER,COATES,SHELVEY,DOWNING,KUUYT,BELLAMY
ANFIELDPETE
13 Apr 2012 21:58:48
Ed001 is definitely Morgan Freeman {Ed001's Note - haha!}
Ed002 is Samuel.L.Jackson.
DM2012
Ed007 is Jedward.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ed009 is Daniel Craig
AJ
Ed002 is actually keira knightley
Si
Ed002 Ah Denzel!
13 Apr 2012 21:57:18
Anyone else noticed moyes giving it the biggun with his everyone is behind us and the world hates Liverpool crap
Moyes getting worried about the sight of a trophy in the distance...
Hope we absolutely smash them tomorrow even more pumped now
Come on REDMEN
The last few weeks Moyes has been rehearsing for when he takes over ftom Ferguson.
Dutchmal
13 Apr 2012 21:26:02
The team i would play tomorrow:
Jones
johnsone skrtel agger enrique
spearing henderson
shelvey suarez downing
carroll
Now i for one do not think that jay spearing is good enough to have a liverpool future but he is a defensive minded player which is what we need tomorrow as Brad jones needs protecting. Carroll needs to play as i think his height and strength can trouble the everton centre halfs.
However playing carroll does not mean playing route one football. we need to vary our attacks and get the ball to suarez because centre halfs are always aware of carrells presence and this leaves lots of space for suarez to play in but also go down the wings at ties and whip the ball into carroll
YNWA
Tyrone
No Gerrard or Maxi?
Genius
Cp
Playing everyone in there strongest positions but leave out the best player passer captian and true red fan .GERRARD ,I would take another look if it was me .cheers psv
Gerrard?
NotInTheKnow
Mad man
13 Apr 2012 21:25:51
For now we sit in silence with our belief and faith,
Knowing we have have the chosen one who plays in number eight,
For this time tomorrow you will hear the kopites sing,
with the glorious win brought by the king!
The blue bunting around will be dragged down and burned,
Heads hung in sorrow, with your lessons learned,
Cos no matter what with our glorious souls,
Us kopites will be celebrate our win tomorrow,
Whilst you blue s**te crawl back in your holes!
ynwa
mrbrown
13 Apr 2012 21:23:57
I think that unless Kenny wins the FA Cup he will be asked to leave and I think it will be between Rafa and Andre Vllas Boas for the post
what are your guys thoughts on proceedings especially as FSG seem to be wielding the axe.
Barnesjnr 777
I would rathe have AVB than rafa back , and i realy hope the owners are looking at this in the right way , kenny is the man resposable for were the team is in the prem , kenny to go upstairs with AVB as manager
Perhaps AVB wouldn't be too bad because much of went wrong for him at chelsea was because the high line he wanted to play did not suit his defenders but it seems that our four backs and riena seem to like this system so maybe
Tyrone
Non sense.
You can discuss as much as you like.
Sacking Kenny or moving him up will only increase the pressure on a new manager.
No matter what you say or type, Kenny resides in the heart of Liverpool fans in Liverpool. He is their beloved. I simply cantstop adoring him. If he is fired the NEW MANAGER whoever he is, will walk on FIRE and that too without footwear.
Kenny is FSG best choice if they are planning on Anfield extension or Stanley Park move.
He can guide the ship as long as they want. You dont even notice and we have Spearing and Kelly in the team. Both are from the youth set up. Thats money saved on two players.
And hopefully there are many more in the queue.
LiverBird
I dont want king kenny to be sacked, even if he were to be sacked not in a million years to come will i support AVB for the job, he's lucky he won a treble wid porto but he failed to deliver it wid chelsea. i just dont want a chelsi fail in liverpool.
redh0t
13 Apr 2012 21:04:01
macca, do you know who is the most likely person to be appointed to take Comolli's job?
13 Apr 2012 21:01:36
possible ins:
moussa sissoko
soldado
moussa dembele
shinji kagawa
possible outs:
kuyt
aurelio
adam
downing
maxi
johnson
13 Apr 2012 20:34:04
So Ed002, reading thru an earlier reply I believe you are heading to Wembley. So it's half time & you're in need of some nourishment. What do you have? Hot dog with all the trimmings washed down with a pint of warm beer or a nice cup of refined tea with a few dainty sandwiches with the crusts cut off?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Hot dogs are made with from the remnants of cow's heads blown off the carcase using high pressure hoses. I shall have a nice cup of tea.}
On the subject, they do use the every part of the animal.
MSG foods are disgusting and bad for people's health. MSG bad, FSG good. :)
Ed2 have you seen Comedian Alex Rileys "britains most disgusting foods on BBC3 on that very subject" even managed to make it funny
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - I haven't but can imagine.}
Ed what seats are you on?! I want to see the face behind the legendary comments!!!
Hero. {Ed001's Note - she will be in the Royal Box of course!}
13 Apr 2012 20:23:00
Ozone mate, What r u on about. In the current financial world where there is huge economic crisis where some countries themselves are on the verge of bankruptcy, u want to spend millions on just player wages just for the greed of club success. There are lot of people in this world who r dying because of starvation and u want these greedy footballers to earn more than they need. In what way all these Man City players deserve to earn the money they are getting. This is total wrong in humanity perspective. We as a club should be role model for others not destroy world.
Even if u take out the sentimental things here LFC as a club or the owners are simply not in a position to spend money u r mentioning. And your comparison to ManU is simply idiotic. What is their debt again and for that reason they are selling players at profit to buy players at cheap to recover and its their strong team spirit that is making them tick and credit to management even i hate to admit it.
Talking about "mid table mediocrity", I would much rather be happy seeing LFC there than to see LFC completely off the map after 10 years. Trust me, That is what will happen if we go according to your "grand strategy".
I am not American but instead of calling them cheap or something else why don't u blame the corrupted FA and selfish PL to introduce salary cap in football to maintain the equality in league. This way we can negate this shambolic player power.
I mean mate u r telling them to spend money as if there is unlimited supply (I wish). Would u spend your own hard earned money that lavishly. U might have question that what we need to do to compete against other teams like Man City and Chelsea. Well they came into the picture when they got rich owners and paid silly transfer fees and diabolical wages to players and gained an unfair advantage against other teams which is completely wrong. Look teams New castle and also Everton were good and they built themselves so long to be where they are and all of a sudden some of them just disappeared because of these money clubs. The total wrong is feeding these greedy players with fat cash. This needs to be stopped and i don't want my club or any other to do same things. SALARY CAP is the answer and that is not "CHEAP".
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AJ, your missing my point and I don't appreciate being patronised about global poverty.
Im merely making an observation, FSG have bought into Liverpool to make money. They've stated that they want to either redevelop Anfield or build a new ground, the overiding principal behind this being to bolster revenue. They are also seeking to sell the Liverpool brand in new markets. Do you think their doing this for fun? It's standard valuation practice to value a business on the basis of an industry recognised multiplier against an average turnover taken from a 3 year trading period. Mark my words, if FSG are here for the long term, there main objective will be to achieve a capital value of circa £1 billion similar to Utd, so I don't know how your looking at this situation but to phrase the comparison 'idiotic', in my opinion is a bit short sighted on your behalf.
Further I don't particularly care if Liverpool are in the championship let alone mid table mediocracy, I'll still be at the games. I completely agree with you regarding players wages and greed, it's outrageous for the reasons you've stated. My posts are aimed at the fans out there wanting instant success and blaming Kenny for not bringing it. I'm quite sure that if the short list of players Commolli was giving Kenny to choose from included the sort of talent we see attracting £125k a week, we'd be a bit closer to the title and certainly within the top 4.
I'm getting criticised for supposedly whining about the 'resale' principle and my negative opinion of the owners. I understand Commolli was employed by FSG as he sold himself on the basis that he had connections to attract and bring in the best talent around Europe. Did the owners think Commolli was good muckers with this so called talent and because of this he would be able to bypass their agents and bring them to the club on the cheap? There's only one thing that brings young talent to a football club in this modern age of football and that's pound notes.
What I'm effectively saying is these owners are in it to make money, we aren't a Chelsea or City. On that basis, the posters on here whining about Kenny should take a step back and look at the bigger picture and the constraints he's having to work under compared to the managers of the teams people are expecting us to compete against.
Ozone
I can appreciate what you're saying, Ozone, and you make some great points.
My only reservation with KD is that we just seem very inconsistent, in terms of tactics, team selection, and even just overall style of play. On one day, we can beat anyone and the next we struggle against everyone and frankly that's where I think much of the frustration comes from. No one doubts KD's passion, but some of the starting lineups, substitutions, and strategy have been a bit bizarre this season, at least for me.
RDL
"Do you think their doing this for fun?"
Yes, I do actually. There is no way rich men like Henry and Werner would be doing this if it were not fun for them.
Owning a football club is typically a rotten way to make money. Ask almost anyone who has ever owned a football club.
Smart people like Henry and Werner could find probably dozens of better things to do with 300 million if they only wanted make money.
You could, for instance, buy Apple stock, which has gone up approx. 60% in one year. So their 300 million would be almost 500 million today. What does the owner of Apple stock have to do to earn this return? Absolutely nothing.
Do the owners hope to lose money? Of course not. I suspect they realize if they can turn LFC into winners on the field, the club will be worth much more. That is probably what they told their partners.
But the constant references to how they are "just in it to make money" is tiresome, lazy, and smacks of anti-Americanism.
Try something new.
I hear what your saying RDL but in my opinion, that illustrates what I'm trying to say. The constraints of the transfer policy have produced an unbalanced squad. With the injuries we've had, Kenny can only work with what he's got. It may well have been that Kenny had identified a suitable right winger but due to th constraints wasn't able to pursue but had to settle for a central midfielder in Henderson, just because he ticked the transfer criteria.
Ozone
'Do the owners hope to lose money? Of course not'. I would interpret that as 'in it to make money' then.
I personally don't appreciate American business methods, so yes it may smack of
anti Americanism.
Ozone
That's were my frustrations stem from RDL mate. Kennys tactics , subs (especially the timing of the subs) and formations. Is like being back to the Rafa days. Just when we think that players , tactics and a formation is working wel. Kenny changes it, just like Rafa did.
We have to get a balanced, settled 11 (whoever that may be) starting most games for us, especially in the league. Which is why our league form has been worse than our cup form. Kenny tends to play our best 11 available in the cups which is why we are doing so well in the cups IMO.
Like ma old grandpa Willy used to tell me "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
For me it all boils down to one thing. The more LFC are successful, the more money they/we will make.
Which can only be a good thing, can't it?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Agreed completely, Blair. That's the part I don't get either. It's entirely possible (maybe even likely!) that KD and the coaching staff are making the right decisions and I'm just an idiotic armchair manager, but I don't understand things like subbing Carroll for Downing, playing Carragher (legend, but definitely slowing down) over Coates the game after Coates makes a goal of the week contender, us rarely having anyone in the box, starting Suarez as an isolated striker, etc. just all seem like strange decisions to me. If we were winning, than I'd just think it was strange but working, however when you're not doing real well I think questions are valid.
RDL
13 Apr 2012 20:05:29
I hope Gerrard doesn't play tomorrow, because he puts down the other players, and the whole team dont perform as well as they should. He can be a great impact substitution though.
Thank you, David Moyes, for your constructive comment...!
Agenst the bitter bluenose's gerrard must start
mrbrown
Did he score a hat trick in the last derby or was it just a dream?
MIKEY
Mr Gerrard who has scored in and won us every cup final he has played in ? Where do these fans come from
He has not won us every cup final he played in, have you forgot 2007 UEFA Champions League when we lost 2-1?
Lpoolkris
Becasue gerard did score in the league cup final?
Don't remember him scoring in the Carling Cup Final in February... or the League and FA Cup Finals in 2001 for that matter.
Gerrard turns dreams into reality!
Lee YNWA
Best player, he simply must play
Gear are has no fdm
He scored vs Man utd in the carling cup final against Alaves in the Uefa cup final, Ac Milan in the Champions league final and West Ham in the Fa cup final making him the only player to achieve such a feat
Steven Gerrard is the only to score in a European Cup Final,a UEFA Cup Final, an F.A.Cup Final and a League Cup Final. He has even managed to score against Liverpool in a League Cup Final. No-one else has ever done so well in finals.
Dutchmal
13 Apr 2012 19:54:59
Just watching the Liverpool vs Everton 1986 final and Jan Molby (I think) just got headbutted right in the back of the head and within seconds was back up with no dramatics. It was nice to remember what football was like back when I first started watching!
Tristan
Agree mate ,remember Stuart Pearce getting 'kissed' by Basil Bole (?) for england, blood everywhere...and not harsh word was said.
davinspain
Who disagreed with the original post? At least 2 people out there enjoy watching players act like girls blouses!
13 Apr 2012 19:52:20
If Rafa benitez comes back to Liverpool in any capacity we will become a laughing stock. He had his chance and blew it. He was also a disaster at Inter Milan so not a chance.
He was partly responable for no money he mad us try and live beyond our means
mrbrown
He had his chance and blew it ? he won the champions league in what is the greatest ever final ! Jesus where do these fans come from . A laughing stock ? The laughs are on you mate
This is a place where you can share opinions, so calling someone a "manc" with every comment you disagree on doesn't help.
I would of thought he would be welcomed back, surely there is no hate towards the man who gave us our greatest night of football EVER?
13 Apr 2012 19:43:34
Hi Eds / Macca,
Im just wondering what you think of Downing as a liverpool player?
Many Thanks {Ed001's Note - I think he lacks confidence, he started off brightly and everything went wrong for him. He was hitting the woodwork and pinging in crosses for no one and his head has dropped. We need to let him lose on the left and get bodies in the box to meet his crosses, then we will get the best from him. Right now, we are lucky if anyone gets in the box.}
Agree with the ed.
When downing is whipping in good crosses Carroll and gerrard should be looking to get on the end of them, with the likes of Suarez, kuyt, Bellamy and maxi looking to capitalise on any knockdowns or spilt balls.
We have seen hardly any desire from our team to make runs in the box when balls are getting whipped in from the flanks.
MIKEY
Why do you think that is Ed001 (the no one in the box comment)? I agree it's absolutely been true and for me it's been our single biggest problem as we generally have far more people outside the box than in it, even for things like free kicks. What I don't understand is if this is intentional because we're just playing more of a defensive game, if it's just the players not getting in there and mixing it up, or maybe some other reason?
RDL
Hasn't he had 68 shots on goal (on & off target) during the season? Something outrageous like that? He's having bad luck is all. RED LENIN
No thats not bad luck he's just s**te and a waste of money.
RED LENIN - 68 shots and no league goals does not suggest bad luck.
JTR
No one in the box because we play a catious style of football where we defend first and then attack later. The players are obviously not fit enough to do both or its a tactical problem which possibly means is it KK fault??
Speeds {Ed001's Note - that has to come down to whoever is setting the tactics. Even if it is not Kenny that has done so, then it is his fault for not pushing more into the box as the game goes on.}
Plays much better on the left but has been played alot on the right , very good footballer
molbys spare tyre
13 Apr 2012 19:32:34
Hi ed's is Liverpool's transfer policy the same as when Comoli was there (young and english)? {Ed002's Note - I think that is a bit overplayed - Caotes, Adam, Suarez, Enrique ...}
I dont get the question nor ed's answer
13 Apr 2012 19:10:00
With reference to the 2nd most important sporting event happening on Saturday... anybody got any 'National tips? I'm thinking of a bet on West End Rocker to win, and a cheeky E/W on Chicago Grey... but I know very little about horse racing.
Rugby Parker
Seabass looks good for a place bet, as does Synchronicity. RED LENIN
Im going for Chicago grey. Guy I know who goes betting says he's a gem.
NotInTheKnow
Shakalakaboomboom
mrbrown
Go for dusty carpet....its never been beaten
If mccoy and jonjo oneill have join teams put your money on that . i think each way bet .cheers psv
Any rain tomorrow Giles Cross
Lyndon
13 Apr 2012 19:09:42
Just wondering if 'Ozone' is about for some sort of whine today? Got to be the most depressing SOB on here.
Fowler99
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Yes I am Fowler, what's your problem lad?
Ozone
I think his problem is exactly what he just said and you admitted to?
13 Apr 2012 19:01:09
Im gonna throw my Game prediction out there Early...Im gonna say 3-1 to us i know we have had some Bles on the site over the last couple of days spouting rubbish and calling themselves The Mighty Blues (made me laugh) the only Mighty thing about them is their bitterness...Anyway 3-1 to us Gerrard, Suarez and either Carrol or Kuyt anyway fingers crossed and good luck guys...May the better team win (The Reds)
The Bailiff
13 Apr 2012 18:57:30
Their should be a Champions League spot qualifaction method for winning the FA Cup. The FA has decline in prestige over the years because bigger clubs think it isn't worth the effort.
This change would bring new life back into the FA cup. Just getting a chance to enter champions league football would be good enough for some football clubs to pull out all the stops and really try. The last thing the FA cup needs is to go the way of Carling cup. A competition for youth team. The Prize should be chance of getting 1st round entry to champions league.
All the teams from around Europe will still get a Europa cup place, but will be invited to knock out competition at then end of season.
Winners of the FA cup's for each country should go into 32 team new cup competition. A True knock out competition. 90minutes + pens. one game.
knock out matches one game equals 16 teams left. knock out matches 8 team left, knock out matches 4 team left, knock out matches 2 to teams left.
Final two teams enter the first stage of champions league qualification. First Round Qualification. Champions League qualification begins in July with 28 clubs entering at this stage. only two clubs entering at the first qualification round make it to the group phase.
So it would be a play-off competition at the end of season and the prize would be chance at champions league football. So it would be 4 additional games at the end of the season. real knock out stuff. it would be great stuff to watch.
The games could be played:
Tueday 15th May
Tueday 22th May
Saturday 26th May
Tuesday 29th May,
Total Knock out competition. One winner on the night 90minutes + Pens across Europe.
And if the fa cup winner is in champions league anyway?
^then it goes to 4th place
13 Apr 2012 18:49:06
hi ed i hope we go with this team tomoz as it will offer us something different
..................................JONES....................................
..........COATES............SKRTEL...............AGGER.........
JOHNSON...................................................ENRIQUE
.....................SPEARING.........HENDERSON................
...............................GERRARD................................
......................CARROLL..........SUAREZ.....................
SUBS. GULACSI, CARRAGHER, SHELVEY, DOWNING, STERLING, BELLAMY, FLANNAGAN
I think this will give SG his favoured position and then also allow both johnson and enrique to get forward and cross the ball for carroll. Also it will give there defence something to worry over as carroll will have the support from both SG and LS also hendo running into the box. Plus we will see hendo in his natural position and i think he will eventually come good player for us.
plse post ed
So your not playing maxi who has 11 goals in 10 games
Can't agree mate - need to keep hold of the ball more than them. So would either go 4-4-2 or more likely 4-5-1 (4-3-3)
Jones
Johnson
Skrtl
Agger
Enrique
Gerrard
Spearing
Adam
Henderson
Downing
Suarez
Take Spearing out and put in Shelvey then you may be on to something, Shelvey attacks more than "playing it safe" Henderson would ever risk.
And they do play better together than
gerrard and spearing
gerrard and henderson
gerrard and shelvey
gerrard and adam
adam and spearing
adam and henderson
henderson and spearing
(adam and shelvey & spearing and shelvey never played together apart from the odd late sub)
13 Apr 2012 18:37:46
I hope maxi plays tommorow
Liverpool 2-1 maxi first goal.
Is he likely to be playing eds, he is the main man for scoring IMO ?
LTP the red {Ed002's Note - I have yet to decide who is playing tomorrow but I may well start him from the bench.}
TOP banter
i can confirm danny ward will be on the bench
{Ed002's Note - I have yet to decide who is playing tomorrow but I may well start him from the bench.}
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You better get your tactics right ED002 and get us a win else we will turn on you and ask for your sacking along with your director of knowledge ED001
Roy
13 Apr 2012 18:35:04
Hello eds,
i have just searched sky. (sports)(and channels 1 and itv )
and i cannot find tommorows semi final game
am i being delusional ?
if so what channel ? and time ?
LTP the red {Ed002's Note - Googling Liverpool, Everton and TV tells me it is on ESPN from 11.}
OMG
that is s**te
how can they do that on such a big occasion
13 Apr 2012 18:26:58
Gerrard plays better on the right against Everton. It's a winning formula. RED LENIN
I'd even go so far as to say Henderson and Shelvey in the middle, Maxi on the left. Suarez and Carroll up top.
13 Apr 2012 18:16:28
To all eds
with Liverpool playing the semi final tomorrow did u all know what Liverpool and Everton have both reached 13 fa cup finals so the winner tomorrow will be at the their 14th final. {Ed002's Note - I didn't know that.}
Everton have also been beaten in a FA semi final 11 times more than any other team in the prem
13 Apr 2012 18:12:59
as soap operas go, liverpool would make a for a great documentry. The Return of the King a 12 month fly-on-wall documentary behind the senses. It would be so great seeing TV crew in the club. Liverpool has as much drama going on inside as sky1 dream team did.
I miss dream team
That would be a good documentary the only thing i wouldnt look forward to is when all the stupid fans have their say and they are calling for his head because they have been infected with a chelsea mentality of sacking a manager if he has a poor season
''Infected by the Chelsea mentality.'' Too bloody true.
Sack him, Buy him, Sell him. That's every Chelsea fans basic vocabulary. Once you've mastered these three Chelsea'isms you will have passed Chelsea's English class. Now you may progress forward and pick up your plastic flag and go on to Chelsea history class, which is just as short a lesson :). William 'Fatty' Foulke, Roy Bentley and Kerry Dixon.
That's it, you have passed out from Plastic supporters class of Chelsea, congratulations, now pay £100 pound a ticket and £8:50 for a packet of prawn sandwiches.
13 Apr 2012 18:11:54
Here ed001, or any of you young whippersnappers,
My Wembley ticket has just arrived (been uptight all day waiting for it, in a bad mood so sorry all !), and it's an A4 bit of paper.
An e-ticket apparently with a bar code on it.
Please tell me that it is kosher and I'm gonna get in.
****s sake, what's happening to the world ?
Lol.
The Real KB
Just seen a Spurs vs chelsea ticket on Google images and it doesnt look like what your describing...Have a look i may be wrong...I just put in Wembley ticket 2012
The Bailiff
How did you manage to get a ticket.
The Real KB knows someone, who knows someone, who robbed someone, eh KB mate? lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
If you got it through a third party (an agency etc) then an A4 letter with a barcode on is probably correct.
I think its legit
13 Apr 2012 18:01:36
Any one know where the team are staying tonight I live near sopwell house hotel and when I was younger teams used it a lot even got in the pool room with Barnes,macca and a few others. Would love to take my little one down if they are there.
Pjf
They'll miss the racing in liverpool
I don't know where the players are staying but the WAGs are staying with me. Someone has to look after them.
Dutchmal
13 Apr 2012 17:52:18
great website guys. what do u guys and eds think about us being in the europa league next season?. as a liverpool supporter, we hate to see the team play on a thursday then play on a saturday/sunday, but i think it can be a chance to see the young players play such as sterling, suso etc. i know that we shouldn't put pressure on the young players, but we can also put some experience players to help them out. also our priority next season is to get top 4, so we need to make sure that the first team players, get enough rest between the premier league games. what do u guys and eds think?. thank u {Ed002's Note - Different Eds have different opinions, but don't expect to see too many of the children playing in the Europa league - perhaps a cameo or two and a run out for a few reserves, but don't think the Academy team will be there. I think it much more likely that some of the first team squad that are not regular starters will be used in the EL.}
13 Apr 2012 17:38:55
13 Apr 2012 15:28:10
everyone needs to get behind the king for gods sake............. and push him out the door!
G.Baker
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I disagree, but I laughed! Haha
I think he's a helmet.
DaveyBootle
We have a massive semi-final tomorrow against Everton of all teams , so there is only one thing to do , get behind Kenny and the team , support them 100 per cent , if we win , we will be in the FA Cup Final FFs , so put all your energy with our manager and team .
redforever
13 Apr 2012 17:32:33
with all the goings on at liverpool this season.does anyone think worldwide merchandising and fan base will suffer as a result.i personly think its inevitable they will suffer,but will take a few seasons for the figures to filter through before the facts are known.
13 Apr 2012 17:29:10
I am suprised that people have said that they would have shelvey in there side instead of Hendo. I would play Hendo,Gerrard and Spearing in the middle then stevie g has got two that will do his running for him.
i think tomorrow is all about be patient because they will try and press us in the first half but as long as we keep our width we will beat them as wembley is a massive pitch and its hard to press for 90 mins i would go with Carroll up top with Suarez left and maxi or downing right.
I really cant see us losing a derby and i am always confident when we play a derby.
Eds is Kelly available for tomorrow?
I think i would go with Kelly and johnson full backs and skrtel and agger in the middle.
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - Kelly is doubtful for tomorrow but there has been no update since Wednesday.}
Shelvey can pass the ball.
Glen Johnson is back
Shelvey has a great forward pass , not side-ways , Shelvey can and does tackle , Shelvey is going to be our next Stevie G .
redforever
I agree red forever, man of the match against Blackburn.
Ozone
13 Apr 2012 16:53:20
Eds i know we've already qualified for europa via the carling cup but is there any difference qualifying via the FA cup i.e would we join at a later round and miss out some of the qualifying rounds? also what if we finished runners up and chelsea or spurs make champs league would that mean we would go through because of being fa cup runners up instead of carling cup winners?
cheers {Ed002's Note - Winning the FA Cup puts the club directly in to the Group Stages and saving two additional rounds of games - so four games beginning right at the start of August. As runners up and with the winner in the CL, entry is via the FA Cup.}
If we won the FA cup and lets say Tottenham became runners up and had CL footy from fourth place does that mean our carling cup europa league spot would go to cardiff? {Ed002's Note - No, it would go to sixth place in the league. There is no way that Cardiff will be in teh Europa League next year.}
Are Cardiff city supporting liverpool in the FA cup then. {Ed002's Note - Cardiff cannot get in to Europe this year.}
Shouldn't the FA cup give teams entry into Champions League qualification stage. It would make the FA cup a more serious cup for people to win. IT would give some mid-table clubs a crack at the champions league and dreams would come true. At the moment the riches 4 clubs in the premiership get the CL money. It keeps those teams richer than the rest. {Ed002's Note - That is not how the European competitions are structured.}
Ed002 i think they just been watching lfc and supersub said this so they jumping on the bandwagon
mrbrown
13 Apr 2012 16:48:05
Think all Liverpool fans have overlooked the most important player we have and that is agger. Whilst injured we didn't win a game except against Everton's reserves. Not just a great defender but a threat when upfront. Headed the ball against the crossbar for Suarez to score v villa and set up Carroll for the winner v Blackburn.
The lad oozes class and we are a different team with him in it.
I'm confident with him in the team tomorrow we'll win!
Couldnt agree more, Skrtel has been awesome, and as solid as he is, Agger for me just offers something more. Just a shame he is such a slow healer and a bit injury prone.
Danski
So true
He always gets 'injured' when it goes t*ts up and now wembley is here he's magically fit again. Too unreliable for me but a great talent nonetheless
For me Agger is our best player , when he plays , we have a far better chance of winning .
redforever
I Like the way he can bring the ball forward 'a la 'Hansen. Maybe he should play a slightly more forward role eg DM .
Has grown into the no.1 candidate for captain in my opinion, shows quality, passion and drives the team on - I think we missed his mentality badly when things were going against us in recent games - he lifts the team and him and skrtel make a scary pairing. Just wish he could avoid the injuries...
Derry Red
13 Apr 2012 16:43:23
why are so many rumours of mass sell off?
L
Cause theres a mass of players not good enough?
13 Apr 2012 16:43:25
there is no way we will get the big players from good european clubs because of our failure to get into the campions league. so it is going to be like last season which will be we just buy from lesser english clubs. the only slight chance we will have of getting anyone good from big european clubs is if kruyff comes in
13 Apr 2012 16:41:32
Who is refereeing the Liverpool-Everton Semi Final Tomorrow?
H. Webb
Very good point,hopfully dowd
mrbrown
Alex ferguson..sorry Howard webb
13 Apr 2012 16:33:48
noticed a fair few people thinking reina could move on at end of season, not that i'm hoping he does but what do the ed's and other reds think of akinfeev as replacement IF reinas situation did change
13 Apr 2012 16:27:38
It,s a must win tomorrow or else kenny should be shown the way out.NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.
13 Apr 2012 16:27:08
Please let Kenny stay, i think he's done a magical job. I personally would love him to spend another £130 mil next season and finish 8th with the milk cup.
i think we are only 3 players away from a top team so if we let him spend the big bucks, maybe £30 mil collectivley on John Walters, Darren Pratley, or Grant Hanley? these all seem reasonable targets for where we are heading and i think they would love to settle into a mid table team.
(That will win the league this season.... oh no wait, the target is top four, no the new target is Europe, no no no wait, the new NEW target is to finish as high up as possible.) Well done lads.
Long Live the (burger) King!
Forever a whopper!
Hard to believe LFC means this much to a bitter opposition fan that he feels the need to spend all this time to write this boring, peurile drivel, But hey if that's how insecure trolls get their rocks of, who cares, Live the dream son!
MR EM
Have you had someone helping you with that Mr EM? It's very good.
Leavve the sacrcasm to the clever boys, that was just she*p.
Amoebas can post too
The Squirrel
That was just She*p? You think she*p is a bad word?
No boys, your all right. Lets keep him in, let him spend millions then use the board to sack another scapegoat. i'd love to see kenny at the helm for another year, watch the averageness creep in. The signs are showing boys.... Of couse if you think that Carroll is guna start banging them in and repay that transfer fee.
But no, your right lads, attacking front four of donwing, henderson, carroll and suarez sounds like goals to me.....
Hope you have all got used to being mid table. Looks like your there for the longhaul!
you all love being the club that the country hates!
13 Apr 2012 16:26:01
Please let Kenny stay, i think he's done a magical job. I personally would love him to spend another £130 mil next season and finish 8th with the milk cup.
i think we are only 3 players away from a top team so if we let him spend the big bucks, maybe £30 mil collectivley on John Walters, Darren Pratley, or Grant Hanley? these all seem reasonable targets for where we are heading and i think they would love to settle into a mid table team.
(That will win the league this season.... oh no wait, the target is top four, no the new target is Europe, no no no wait, the new NEW target is to finish as high up as possible.) Well done lads.
Long Live the (burger) King!
Forever a whopper!
13 Apr 2012 16:22:05
Rossi's ruptured his cruciate ligament again- out for another 6 months. Bad times.
DP
I really feel sorry for the poor guy actually. Ruining his career.
Hero.
No Summer tour for Rick Parfitt & Co this Summer then?
13 Apr 2012 16:10:06
Walcott could be a great player for us if he was played to his strengths, i.e his pace, his movement off the ball, and his finishing (and not bunged out on the wing like at Arsenal). He's a Striker not a Winger he thrives off being on the shoulder of the last defender, he works best with a creative partner (Suarez?) that likes to drop into midfield and link up play (like Van Persie does at Arsenal). When this happens he is able to run into the space that has been created and get in behind defences creating scoring opportunities (plus he knows how to finish when presented with a chance). I think he would complement our current set up if used as an Out & Out Striker, he just needs some work on his technique when playing against teams that like to park the bus, or play with a deep back line. Here he lacks the technique to consistantly beat his marker one on one but he is still young and learning so that aspect of his game could and should improve with the right tutelage. Just my thoughts anyhow would like to hear the ED's or any fellow RED's thoughts (constructive comments please)
Thanks
KoPeNdFaN
We have enough strikers who can't score. Walcott is unbelievable - chooses the wrong option virtually every time.
Hugh Pugh.
Terminating DC was supposed to end the era of crap, overpriced, underachieving signings (or at least a step towards that end)...get Walcott and the ghost of DC will be alive and well.
Walcott is completely useless to say nothing of the fact he is delusional: where does he get off thinking he actually has accomplished anything that warrants an autobiography??
Red (Not Blue) Lenses
Hugh Pugh called it right imo. Walcott is a classic example of someone who has the pace and technical ability to be a top premier league player but lacks one of the key attributes, real footballing intelligence
The Squirrel
13 Apr 2012 16:02:55
Do anyone know (or trust) the online ticket sites? One in particular says it has tickets for around £120 each for tommorrows game. Any trusted sites that can be recommended?
Cheers
Simsimo {Ed002's Note - I would be real careful with anywhere that does not come with really good reservations.}
13 Apr 2012 16:02:28
With all what's been going on off the pitch I've forgot we've a semi against the bitters at Wembley lol.
My team for tomorrow
Jones
Johnson Carragher Skrtel Agger
Kuyt Gerrard Spearing Henderson Maxi/Downing
Suarez
The reason I would play this team is because the bitters pack the midfield. And if we play 4-4-2 then we could be over run in midfield. I'd also leave Enrique out because he has been awful the past few weeks as had Gerrard. But Gerrard has never let us down in big games. Kuyt would be one of the 1st names on my team sheet. We know how good Baines is down the left and Kuyt could help Glen and double up on Baines. Kuyt would also allow Glen to bomb forward and cover for him.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Sorry, I'd have no quams about playing Shelvey instead of Henderson.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
I would have to agree with this.
Maybe pick shelvey ahead of Henderson, but that would depend on who is looking best in training.
If your not putting enrique on I would play downing ahead of maxi. If Enrique was playing I would play maxi.
going to be a great game whoever plays, we will show the world the real home of football is Liverpool, both red and blue supporters are the best in the country and the rivalry is probably the best as well.
MIKEY
Makes sense Blair, but who knows what surprises Kenny has in store for us.
Just a note though on the limited occasions when Carroll, Suarez and Gerrard have started in the same game LFC have their best goal return per game.
YNWA jns {Ed002's Note -
Carra..seriously?
YNWA jns, I think i read somewere yesterday that Liverpool have only played with all three starting four times and have won all four games:o
Also i would alter the back line to
Carragher Skrtel Agger Johnson as i think Johnson is much better on the left and skrtel and Agger are for me two of the top defenders in the EPL, so i would like them both more central. But what do i know:)
MR EM
Can't agree Blair. Any team without Carra is a bonus. I would also play Maxi instead of Downing. Maxi seems to score goals in batches & he's in that form at the minute. My team would be Jones, Johnson, Skertel,Agger,Enrique, Hendo,Gerrard,Shelvey,Maxi,Kuyt & Suarez. I would put Bellers on instead of Kuyt if his knees could take it & push Shelvey forward as he did against Blackburn with Hendo & Gerrard a bit deeper.
The Irish Rover
I put Carra in Rover mate for the same reason I put Stevie in. The both of them play some of their best football against the bitters. Couldn't put Coates in there mate, to big of a game. Carra, Stevie, Kuyt are all big game players,so I would start them all. I can understand your worries with Carra but the bitters only play one up top (Jelovic) who isn't exactly blessed with lightning quick pace mate.
At this moment in time IMO, I think that Enrique is a bigger liability than Jamie. So stick Agger LB and Jamie CB, problem solved (hopefully).
All sounds good in my head mate but that's about it. lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
I wouldn't put Carra ahead of Agger no matter it is derby or not.
My Team would be:
Jones
Johnson, Skrts, Agger, Enrique
Gerrard, Spearing
Kuyt Suarez Downing
Carroll
Sub: Gullacis, Coates, Carra, Maxi, Bellers, Hendo, Shelvey
JFT96
Armando
Playing trio of Gerrard, Suarez & Carroll would be more than a handful for Everton..
Three of them should start imo.
Cheers
Armando
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger, Enrique
Gerrard Shelvey Henderson Maxi
Suarez
Carroll
My Starting X1 for Saturday would be:
Jones
Johnson Agger Skrtel Enrique
Gerrard Henderson Spearing Maxi
Suarez Carroll
Personally I disagree with Blair and think Carragher's lack of speed and slow reaction are a greater liabiility than Enrique's poor ball retention (especially when dealing with the likes of Osman and Jelavic). Agger and Skrtel in my opinion must be partnered centrally. Our defensive record is best when these two are paired centrally.
I think Maxi definetly needs to start ahead of Downing, he has a current goal scoring record of 11 goals in 10 games. Better than any of our strikers and wingers. I'm uncertain to whether I should include Gerrard as the midfield seems unsettled with him included. I don't know if they expect Gerrard to take control or are not comfortable playing alongside him. But I think he needs to be included for his experience and for his link up play with Suarez. He seemed to enjoy playing on the right wing in the match against Aston Villa. Henderson enjoys playing centrallly rather than on the right wing, so Gerrard is on the right with Henderson central.
I think Suarez and Carroll need to start together upfront as Suarez plays best when he can run deep to collect the ball. So to keep the Everton defence occupied Carroll needs to be upfont or we will be pushed back into our own half.
KennyD JFT96
13 Apr 2012 15:58:21
Hi guys/eds.,
I have a great idea ,fsg should hire Mr. D. Gill from the MANCS,for d.o.f. he is currently on the F.A. board ,can you imagine how cool it would be for all the ref. decisions to go our way for change, we will surely get no.19 ,20,21,22 . red cards would be a thing of the past, just once if could enjoy the benefits that the mancscum receive I will be ecstatic!
S.A.Pudlian
13 Apr 2012 15:56:41
Does anyone else think Dagger should play in midfield Tomorrow?
________Jones/Gulacsi ?
Johnson, Coates, Skertl, Enrique
Gerrard, Henderson, Agger, Downing
_______Suarez___Carroll
With Bellamy, Spearing and Carra to feature around the 65th min mark, pending no injuries and red cards
Johnson and Enrique like to get forward, Lucas when fit, drops back and covers the counter, Agger might be able to do that.
After all, it is only Toffee we're playing :)
Ollieston
13 Apr 2012 15:49:51
what about a fowler like return for micheal owen on a free bee. and maybe a michah richards type.
He won't play a game, he'll get injured turning into melwood from the sight of a football
AnfieldUSA
I thought Michael Owen retired about 7 years ago?
cozinoz
13 Apr 2012 15:31:15
Sorry guys not really a rumour more of a question. Seeing as the game tomorrow is on ESPN and I'm working till 2 does anyone know if there are highlights on TV anytime after the game or am I just condemned to miss the entire thing. Confident of a result and think some players will put in some top notch performances. {Ed002's Note - Have you thought of checking the TV listings?}
Highlights on ITV tomorrow mate at 5.30.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Lazy git, the whole www to answer that question and you clutter up this forum with a dumb question like that! (as I clutter up the forum further still with a response)
13 Apr 2012 15:08:34
DC spotted in Lille this morning. He said thy he's not there to get Hazard for Liverpool and to stop all the Hazard nonsense on the excellent rumours.co.uk to give the eds a rest.
Honest ultra red
Someone needs to catch up
What an amazing reply, someone needs to leave a name and cheer up!
Not Bitter
13 Apr 2012 14:53:36
Do you, Ed001, know anything more about the Cruyff rumours?
Thanks
Burnsy {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware they are simply recycled rumours from last season that were hyped up by a misreading of an article on the official Ajax site. People only read the bit where it said he was leaving his current post, they failed to read that he was taking up a new one! I am of the opinion that Dein will be brought in and Dalglish will move upstairs over a new coaching set up.}
So who do you think will be manager Ed if this is case?
In your opinion mate, thanks.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - head coach you mean? I really don't know, I doubt that will be decided until the rest is in place to pick one. Whoever comes in, be it that I am wrong and it is Cruyff, or Dein, will have very strong ideas about who would be the best man for the job.}
So no manager as such ed001 ?
Who will do the transfer selections ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - the same way it is done on the continent, the DoF looks at what is missing from the club, checks the youth system to see if there is anyone there who could fill the gap, then if not, consults with the head coach and then goes and finds a player to fill the gap. If it is Dein brought in, it will be Dein who goes and gets the players, Arsenal have struggled to complete deals without him.}
So Ed, you believe it's possible that Dalglish himself with be the glorified scout, or director of football or whatever you want to call it - with a manager, maybe with his own staff, below him, and David Dein above him?
Also, I believe yesterday you said Dein has had job offers before, which he has rejected. Why do you feel he will come to us?
Thanks Ed, for clearing it up, as you always do!
Burnsy {Ed001's Note - Dein will be more alongside than above, but pretty much that is what I think they are looking at. The difference now with Dein is that he seems to have accepted a return to Arsenal is not going to happen. He has been working to broker deals for people looking to buy into or takeover clubs, they seem to have ended, by what I am told. So now he is actually actively looking for a new project. I really don't know whether we will get him, but that is how the situation is said to stand. The fact he has been attending our games of late, does suggest there is interest from him in a position at the club.}
It was on BBC though, so surely they're more than rumours? {Ed001's Note - why? The BBC are not averse to spreading rumours as fact.}
And who bites the bullet if the results go wrong in that system ed ?
What a carry on. I don't know if FSG know their football a**e from their elbow !
I can't say I'm impressed with them at all so far.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - I am sorry but I don't think you have a clue if they are not impressing you. They are following the same blueprint that Barca used to great effect. They are following it with total ruthlessness, pruning any deadwood with efficiency. They will remove any underperforming part, whoever it is. The guy who will bite the bullet, will be the guy who is failing in his remit.}
You've excited me there Ed. Following in the footsteps of Barca - here come the good times...
Burnsy
Lol, don't be sorry ed001.
What was wrong with the Liverpool blueprint ?
Or is that 'old hat' now ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - because in those days one man could run everything, but clubs aren't the small operation they once were. You now have a full time academy, a sports science and fitness division, etc etc. It is just not possible to have one man do everything. Before anyone says that is what Fergie does, he doesn't, he oversees it all, basically a DoF in all but name nowadays.}
So what (in your opinion) will be Kenny's exact role at the end of the season? And with Dein/Cruyff as DOF? ANd with a new manager? Sorry for being stupid if i am ed..
Hero. {Ed001's Note - in my opinion, Kenny will move upstairs to DoF, Dein will be more of a CEO, not so much on the football side, so alongside him to run the rest of the club. Then a new man as head coach. If Cruyff was to come in as DoF, he would want to only have people who share his vision of football working with him. Such as Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell, who were part of his Barca set up.}
But ed i dont understand the fact that if the signings were made by kenny then why are they making him Dof whose job is mainly recruiting appropriate players and also if the signings were made by dalglish but heavily influenced by damien commoli then why will FSG want to move dalglish to DOF
Harsh {Ed001's Note - hardly, the players recruited were chosen to fit the criteria laid out by Comolli's strategy. Those players not performing, when placed in a framework of Comolli's making, is down to his strategy being flawed. He had to go. You can't run a football club purely on stats, it just doesn't work.}
Where does this leave Ian Ayre and if this where to happen would the director of football be it Kenny or Cruyff choose the next head coach or would it be Dein.
GuvTOB {Ed001's Note - I am very surprised Ayre is still there to be honest, nothing against the guy but he is the one likeliest to be undermined by any arrival of Dein. Perhaps that is evidence I am wrong, or evidence I am just wrong about the role he would fulfil.}
13 Apr 2012 22:34:53
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/johan-cruyff-set-to-implement-technical-revolution-at-ajax-7636825.html
I would be happy to see the setup become what you've said there. KK to do the job Cruyff or Van Gaal are said to be wanted to do, a Dein or Begiristain in a role to lessen the strain on Ayre.
In such a situation who would you like as a manager? I would go for Michael Laudraup.
RedSG {Ed001's Note - I like the style of play Laudrup instils in his players, I would certainly be happy with him.}
13 Apr 2012 14:54:20
ed002 quick question, how come you spend so much time dealing with us Liverpool fans when we clearly annoy you?! {Ed002's Note - The Liverpool fans don't annoy me, only ignorant MF trolls like you annoy me.}
Lol that was a bit harsh ED002 mate.
Daniel Rogers. {Ed002's Note - He does it all of the time Daniel - what I normally do to punish him is ban the first poster to mention it after he has posted. Just let me check ...}
Ha thats quality !
Haha..ed 002..epic!
This makes coming here worthwile...
Lmao priceless Ed002 as always keep up the fantastic work, and nice to know us Liverpool fans don't annoy you. Also good luck to Chelsea at the weekend, Liverpool vs Chelsea would be a great final (hopefully we can get past the bitters tomorrow to set it up).
always a red {Ed002's Note - I shall be there cheering (probably not making any noise actually) on both Liverpool and Chelsea.}
Well enjoy the game, lets hope you don't have to sit next to some 'ignorant MF troll' as you so eloquently lol.
always a red {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what the seating arrangements are for tomorrow - but lets hope not.}
Yes, insulting posters must give you hours of pleasure. How clever.
Red Owl
Leo
{Ed002's Note - For someone who wants to have this site shut down and keeps making threats to us, I don't understand why you keep coming back - albeit you see it as somewhere you can spew your foul abuse. You father should have used the Kleenex on that fateful day.}
That's Gotta Sting!!!
Lyndon
Ed002 = legend
The Squirrel
THE PUNISHER!!
Lyndon
Ed 002!! Are you saying Leo should have been a ****?
Ash
Leo {Ed001's Note - go elsewhere Leo. Don't waste our time again with your vileness.}
Whenever someone's post gets cut off, I wonder what they said to anger the eds
AnfieldUSA
13 Apr 2012 14:45:41
Why do people seem to think that danny wilson will be leaving the club, it was my impression that when he signed he was for the future or is it that he has failed to impress or is simply not good enough. If you can provide an answer it would be appretiated as i though he good become a good player for us.
Thanks
I dont think he has done that well down at Blackpool, on loan mate. Therefore, he probably wont cut it in the prem. Maybe while he's young make our money back - and hope he finds a club where he can play more.
Burnsy
13 Apr 2012 14:35:22
scrap the banega rumours he is injured again this season, if you notice none of liverpools singings are injury prone apart from bellamy (who was free) so why would we splash out on another injury prone player ? critisize downing and hendo all you like but they are almost always available for selection.
derryred
Banega is not injury prone and he would be fine right now if it were not for an off pitch mistake/accident
13 Apr 2012 14:30:48
Would Cruffs health problems be something Werner would take on Board?
I would imagine Werner has enough on his plate without worrying about a British dog show's poor heath?
The dog show is CRUFTS not Cruffs!!
Well who the hell is Cruffs then? Yi hear "Cruffs", yi think dog-show, not Dutch footballing legend.
Rugby Parker
13 Apr 2012 14:21:34
Eds isn't cruyff notoriously difficult to work with and didn't he upset everybody at Ajax or was that van Basten? If it is Cruff do we really want that at Liverpool and i can't see FSG signing off on that. Ta
RealisticRed. {Ed001's Note - not difficult to work with if you buy into what he wants. He revolutionised Barca and turned them from bronze medallists and onto the top step of the podium. He is extremely strong willed and will brook no dissent, but that is what is needed at the top.}
I am a little uneasy at the prospect. Like the original poster, I am fear that there could be considerable friction between a man as forthright as Cryuff and other strong-minded individuals at the club, both at squad and boardroom levels. Also, does anyone else recall Mr Cryuff being less than complimentary about Liverpool when we were beating Barcelona and Alaves, for whom Jordi Cryuff was playing at the time? My memory of his comments is vague, but perhaps the Editors may have more information on this. Having said all that, it may just be a problem that I am worrying about because I am always wary of instability on a general basis.
Red Owl
In my opinion, there's not many people in the footballing world who have done enough in their careers to question Cruyff's way of thinking! One of them may actually be King Kenny, but if he's the driving force behind getting Cruyff into the club, I doubt that would be a problem. Anyone else, players for example and The Scouse Mafia in particular, would be fools not to buy into whatever a living legend like Cruyff has to say, and if that's the case, I don't want fools at LFC. Having said that, i've already mentioned earlier i'd probably prefer Dein, you can't argue with the work he's already done in this country with Arsenal.
Rugby Parker
13 Apr 2012 14:11:46
HI Eds
Do you know why the head of sports science was let go? I thought he was respected highly and was a world leader in the area of sports science? Also has the goal keeping coach gone too? Andy H {Ed001's Note - so did I, but he was obviously seen to have some failings. Clearly our players have looked tired at times this season and we have picked up a lot of late season injuries due to it. I would guess that he was seen as being at fault. Yes Achterberg has gone too, thankfully.}
Ok yeah they have looked tired at times so hopefully we can get the right people to come in seems to be a lot of firing going on just now, why is it if kenny will be leaving do you think they have not done that yet? I hope he moves upstairs a man that loves the club and has given as much should be treated with respect regardless of results on the Pitch and FSG seem to be doing that. Do you think that Ian Ayre has anything to worry about. Also please dont shoot me but is the Crap are spouting about FSG giving it one more year true? Andy H {Ed002's Note -
Hi Eds. If Achterberg has gone who is the new goalkeeping coach? O r are we looking to bring a new one in? {Ed001's Note - someone told me we had asked Xavi Valero to return and are trying to negotiate a new contract with him. But I emphasise that it is just one person who said it and they could very easily be a victim of wishful thinking!}
13 Apr 2012 14:10:06
Where are the people like mac getting the info about cruyff agreeing in principle from.
Delboy
I dnt believe mac is macca
13 Apr 2012 14:05:54
here's the link to the ajax website stating cruyff has stepped down!
http://english.ajax.nl/News/Archive/Article/Cruijff-steps-down-1.htm
Cruijff remains available for the club in a different role, in order to see through the implementation of his football vision for the club. The board is pleased and will soon be discussing with Cruijff how this role can be fulfilled.
Try and read the full statement instead of the headlines.
13 Apr 2012 13:59:27
When will our new kit be released? {Ed002's Note - I would expect in a couple of weeks or so.}
Random but great!
13 Apr 2012 13:54:12
Ed, do you believe there is interest in bringing Van Gaal or Cruyff as DoF to the club or is it just media?
And is there a possibility than Valero could return as goalkeeper coach?
Sorry for all the questions!
Josh {Ed002's Note - There is interest in Cruyff. The rest I have no idea.}
13 Apr 2012 13:51:34
I was reading through the Everton page to see how confident they are and Ed025 reckons that Darren /gibson could be the difference between the sides tomorrow... lmao, where do you find these guys Ed001, I think Gibson might just be the biggest joke to come out of Uniteds ever!
YNWA! (Adam)
Ed025 is a top man and you should read his stuff more carefully ,(if thats possible after all RS only see what they want to see )
DeepblueT
13 Apr 2012 13:45:24
What i have heard is that Liverpool will either go with Johan Cruyff or Louis Van Gaal for the vacant position as D.O.F and i think we all know either of these will attract top players to us!
Id go Van Gaal all day but Kenny wanted Cryuff originally so it will be him.
Johan Cruyff all day long.
Indian Buzzer
13 Apr 2012 13:44:39
I've heard that Kenny would prefer to play Peter Gulacsi on the weekend. Kenny liked him as back-up to Reina last season and only loaned him out this season to play and gain experience from first team football. I'm not convinced by either Jones or Gulacsi myself so I just hope our defence is the strongest and tightest it's been all season. These keepers will need as much help as possible. Not saying this is definite at all and the person who told me has no links to club at all, but this is a whisper I've heard. Just thought I'd share!
It would be a shocker if he did.
You must have heard it from the same person I did? It was from your uncle's friend who knows a man who drove past Carragher's house one night and saw a man who told him in The Cabbage Inn in Walton that he knew a milkman who heard that .............. and that's why you don't mention any names nor even post your own! CLOWN!!
Agger needs to start. Our defence is much better with him in it.
13 Apr 2012 13:17:42
According to much of the press and media, there is little point us turning up tomorrow because Everton are going to thrash us. They have apparently had a wonderful season. Unbelievable.
Its how you measure success.And FOR them-it has been wonderful lol
They should put their house on an Everton win in they're that sure because they'd get very good odds!
We are two wins and five nil up on aggregate but that counts for nothing I suppose!
How many goals up on aggregate were we up on Palace in 1990? enough said i think!
13 Apr 2012 13:15:59
Cruijff has agreed to join Tel Aviv as Technical Director. Don't worry - it is Johan's son Jordi the ex-Manchester United 'star'.
Dutchmal
13 Apr 2012 13:12:31
ED's is it true that johan cruyff has agreed to join us in the near future?
kenny dalglish's admission yesterday proves the owners are not too unhappy with the quality we brought in over the summer considering an horribly poor regime before them..but they werent really impressed with the premium prices we pay for those players..
and is it fair to assume that after loads of money were spent unsuccessfully trying to build an english spine ,we would definitely not look at nationality as a major criteria for players again ,this summer? {Ed002's Note - I don't know what the situation is right now with Cruyff.}
13 Apr 2012 13:32:00
Everyone has twitter fever! Get a life!
Should be talking about the semi, with Johnson an agger back we look real strong:
My team:
Jones
Johnson skrtel agger Enrique
Kuyt spearing Gerard downing
Carrol Suarez
YNWA
Post your team for semi
I agree with the back 5, but i would play Maxi instead of Downing.
----------
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Kuyt Spearing Gerrard Maxi
Carroll Suarez.
Subs id bring on in the game
Downing for Maxi
Bellamy For Carroll
and then depending how its going play this later in the game.
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Bellamy Spearing Gerrard Downing
Kuyt Suarez.
BigD
ps: ain't bothered who we play as long as we beat them and go on to win the final which will be against Chelsea for sure....
With us having Jones in goal i reckon best way to defend is attack.So ild consider-Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Hendersen Shelvey Bellamy
Carrol Suarez
Subs.Keeper(Galusi?),Coates,Kelly,Downing,Kuyt,Spearing,Sterling
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Maxi Spearing Gerrard Downing
Bellamy Suarez
Bench
Carroll, Coates, Hendo, Shelvey, Sterling Carra and keeper, can't spel his name
Sorry Ed posted suggested side a sec ago.With subs,i would include Maxi insteadve Spearing
My team would be
-------------------jones----------
------johnson,skrtel,agger,enrique
----------hendo--------shelvy-------
---gerrard------suarez--------maxi
------------------carroll--------------
Jones
johnson,skrtel,agger,enrigue
hendo
gerrard shelvy maxi
suarez
carroll
mrbrown
Jones
Johnson Skrtel Coates Enrique
Gerrard Henderson Agger Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Gulacsi, Carragher, Spearing, Maxi, Bellamy, Kuyt, Sterling
Jones
johnson skrtel agger enrique
gerrard spearing shelvey
bellamy carroll suarez
-----------------------------
subs
gulasci coates maxi sterling downing
henderson kuyt
-------------------------
billy
13 Apr 2012 13:02:55
Just been to visit the Everton side and they have one post all day with three replies and they are already threatening to beat each other up..LOL
MR EM
Have you been belittling those poor evertonions again have you? Classy
13 Apr 2012 12:50:01
I can't see both Cruyff and Van Gaal coming to Liverpool to work together as a team because they have a poisonous relationship. They hate each other. It would have to be one or the other.
Cruyff and Michael Laudrup is my bet especially if everything goes bad over the next few weeks for Dalglish.
Why does there need to be 2..?
It's just the way it is being reported in some newspapers this morning.
13 Apr 2012 12:43:59
On the Sky platform LFCTV has now become LiverpoolFC TV.
Rebranded LiverpoolFCTV. How about the Warrior Sports Anfield Stadium? {Ed002's Note - Warrior are not the sort of business that could afford to sponsor the stadium.}
That would be a good name! The WARRIOR Stadium!
13 Apr 2012 12:16:32
ED's do you think that it would be a good idea to bring in Cruyff, or fellow Dutchman Louis van Gaal or former Barcelona director of football Txiki Begiristain or bring one of the above with Louis van Gaal as manger or do you agree with Tony Barrett that we need to bring in a chief ex {Ed002's Note - Putting aside the broadly random names, and ignoring job titles, Liverpool need to figure out the structure and hierarchy they need to cover all activities that need to be undertaken. A manager or coach of the first team is rarely going to be involved with the youth players or with the day-to-day running of the scouting systems, so co-ordination at a footballing level is needed. There is also a need to recover the damaged image and keep the sponsors happy - a non footballing role but a very important one nonetheless.}
PLEASE PLEASE Post this, Any liverpool fans travelling from the midlands tomorrow i have a car with 3 spaces avaible cheaper than train just have to chip in for fuel and parking? will pick up dont wanna travel on my lonesome!!!!!
Thats why David Dein would be a good choice. Not a 'big name' like Cruyff, Van Gaal, or Benitez but possibly the best option as he would run the club goings on much more efficiently than any one else. Just my opinion and I could very well be wrong as to be perfectly honest, have no idea really what it is that Comolli was supposed to do and would be very suprised if anyone on here did. Other than the fact that he was suppossed to draw up a list of targets, let Kenny decide and then go and negotiate the best possible deal.
KiwiRed
13 Apr 2012 12:12:27
Guys,biggest game of the season tomorrow,and your all stuck on Damien Comolli? Just a thought! WelshBoyDave
13 Apr 2012 12:03:41
just read a rumour that cruyff has agreed a deal in principle to join us
Read where? Have you got a link?
RedSG
And have you personally got a name also ?
Tel 1949
13 Apr 2012 11:52:00
David Dean as advisory role for the new stadium
Louis Van Gall as DoF
Johan Cryuff as cheif scout
Rafa Benitez as technical advisor
Owen coyle as manager
Van Gall and Crujff are enemies m8!
Cruyff and van gaal dont get on
Peter
Me as centre forward
FowlerisGod
Ill go right back then
Me female team physio
I'll play holding midfield. Who wants to be keeper?
KiwiRed
Al take keeper any 1 for attack mid
mr brown
Thats right, we sack one person and bring in 4 to replace him!
Im going for ED001 as Chief Scout and ED 002 for Chief Executive......they probably know as much as anyone else ive ever come across
Tel 1949
At 175cm, i think im the best for centre back. who's my partner?
Kaizer
I'm a first aider so I'll be chief of the medical staff -McMenemy
At 177 cm- ill be your partner mate, but in strike ..............not defence (don't understand the thrill of being a defender)
LFC2929
Can I play too? I'm not very good, but I can wear a dark blue shirt if you like?
Ryan 'O
So you're not a fan of Dalglish Tel? With Ed002 as Chief Exec, KK would be gone. *just saying*
Ash
Guys i want the centre forward....plzzzzzz
Anyone on sponge duty?
The Squirrel
I guess ill take cam?
AnfieldUSA
13 Apr 2012 11:50:32
Cameolli should have made some upcoming players from french. That what i expected of him and it will move us away from french players.
Indian red
Cameolli ? isnt that some form of pasta.... {Ed001's Note - I believe Chris Hoy swears by it.....}
13 Apr 2012 11:50:22
I really don't know why the 'Dalglish out' talk can't wait till the season is over, or at the very least till after the game on saturday! I mean is it that hard to support the team especially before an FA cup semi final?
Nobody really knows why Comolli has lost his job. Personally i don't think its relevant why he lost his role at the club just that the owners saw through his bag of tricks and cut him loose. In my opinion he over sold himself to some business men new to the game of football and has now been seen for what he really is.
Now can we ALL support the team for at least the weekend instead of bitching and moaning. Funny how you never heard the fans calling for Kenny's head at the Blackburn game even when the score was 2-2, who's name where they chanting again?
I'm sure this post will get plenty of disagrees but if you've read it your complaining about someone saying support the team, in which case surely your on the wrong site.
always a red
There was people calling for Kenny's head weeks and weeks ago mate.
This site seems to have become very polarised now.
The Real KB
I know its been going on for weeks now but would it kill them to wait till the seasons over to throw their toys out of the pram?
always a red
Theyre all just moaning minnies....ignore them. The most important thing is the next game
Cmon you reds !
Tel 1949
13 Apr 2012 11:38:35
End of an Era?
I know there is much talk of KD going at some point, Steve Parker et al. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, maybe he should, maybe he shouldn't. If he does go/leave then it will not only be sad but quite ominous.
At the beginning of this season all was very positive. Old ineffective players out, new breed in. The manager had turned our fortunes around in half a season. Eight months later we have won a cup and in the semi of another but our league results have reverted to 2010 levels. The play may have become more attractive but the results have not followed.
If KD now goes, what does the future hold? A Chelsea style attitude - for if we will not tolerate a footballing legend who will we tolerate? Yes I know we should demand success but perhaps there should be a balanced judgement of how much success we have had compared with progress. Do we become supporters who say "do it in the short term or you are out"? KD was given a three year contract, should supporters acknowledge that when giving their judgements. Perhaps one year contracts only in future as that is how long you will be given to perform.
I really do not know what is happening inside the club day in day out. I do believe the overall position is better now than it was one year ago. I do believe and hope that the end of the season will reveal all. I think that is the time when we will really learn more about the attitude of the owners towards the club and its supporters.
YNWA JFT96
Kev
100% agree Kev.
Matt S - YNWA
13 Apr 2012 11:37:34
Just wondering if 'Ozone' is about for some sort of whine today? Got to be the most depressing SOB on here.
Fowler99
13 Apr 2012 11:26:58
Good morning fellow FA Cup Semi -Finalists
It's your happy go lucky Toffee here...
Wow! ... what a day yesterday!
All the excitement... the passion... the commitment... red cards galore...
tempers flaring ...handbags...dissent...
in fighting...
I'll tell you something ...you sure know how to put on a Boardroom meeting
That was the daddy of em all LOOOOOL:)
All this and the mighty Blues tomorrow ...Do I hear RS Squeaky Bums ? ....
Yep ...and HOW...:)))))
Next week I will give you my very own Match summary...So lookout pmsl;)
Oh what a lovely forum...
Blue247
It is a lovely forum isn't it? Most likely the reason why you're constantly on here, because you are normally the ONLY person on the Everton site. Don't blame you though really, i mean it must get a little tedious having arguments with yourself about Everton. You are better off over here with real people instead of those imaginary friends you pretend also support Everton football club. Have fun mate :)
KiwiRed
Some how a think a team in red might of boarded ur mouth up there for we won't here from you agen.what a tosser this guy is
mrbrown
Are you on drugs?
I mean, seriously, what have *you* as an Everton fan got to shout about!?
At least you'll be back at school next week.
Matt S - YNWA
Your over use of smiley faces and shortening of phrases qualifies you as a 13 year old school boy bored on his Easter holidays. Here's a education for you though son. All you Everton fans 'ever' talk about is.. Wait for it, yes Liverpool. Your obsession with us is infect unusual. Where winning trophies is a detrimental part of our club, your biggest accolade was finishing above us in the league over half a decade ago. Everyone fans, the club, the manager and the boards ambition is all about beating Liverpool . Not silverware, but beating your neighbours. Have a wonderfull 90 minutes in wembely sunshine and we will see you again in 30 years.
Sam Adzii JFT96
Next week I will give you my very own Match summary...So lookout pmsl;)
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So let me get this straight, you pi**ed yourself laughing at the fact you will give us your summary next week? Are you 5 years old? Seriously mate you are an embarrasment to Everton and you really have a lot of growing up to do, everything you say is so peurile.
MR EM
Can't wait for this match summary.
I trust you will still be doing it even if we win?
Adam
FFS c'mon it's called banter , omg and it's no wonder the mancs think our sense of humour is non existent
try lighting up, you are all acting like boring nomarks......hes just an everton fan having a natural joke with us !
JUSTICE FOR THE 96
YNWA
Thekemlynkid
Oh dear, cant wait for the school holidays to finish...bye bye blue nose
Tel 1949
Thekemlynkid...
Flippin heck mate thank heavens you have a sense of banter ;)... I had almost given up all hope for you lot...
And just to show the rational and compassionate side of all Evertonians...
Justice for the 96
(and don't touch the Sun with a barge pole )
NSNO
Blue247
13 Apr 2012 11:08:37
Doyou think that luis suarez will leave lfc
Hope so
13 Apr 2012 10:55:40
Eds, just heard we are interested in Hector Herriera, the FC Pachuca right winger from Mexico? Any idea what he's like? Cheers
CMD YNWA {Ed002's Note - "What he's like"?}
Young left winger 21 years old was a good player last season but apparently been disappointing this season
Plays for the same team as marco bueno
13 Apr 2012 10:53:55
How can FSG say Dalglish is the right man for this club despite what we have all seen and witnessed this season? Is this the same Dalglish who doesn't seem to know his first 11, who plays an isolated one man front line in big games, who doesn't have any known formation, who's got bizarre tactics and waits until it's too late to make a change and most of all, who doesn't seem to know the role the press plays in modern day football?
If FSG decide to turn a blind eye to these very conspicuous shortcomings and let Dalglish remain in charge of LFC next season, then the outcome would be very obvious to some of us who are yet take up the role of the devil's advocate.
Dalglish is not good enough and
You don't get a managerial record like KD has without being a damb good manager and a string of bad results doesn't make you bad, Wenger had a very bad start to the season and will end up winning nothing, Ferguson was embarrassed in Europe twice and knocked out of both cups, Rednapp's last 6 games has been worst than ours and has 1 last chance of a cup! Are they all bad managers?
MR EM
MR EM ad try to ignore these no namers as you will know as much as i do going to games liverpool supporters dnt talk about the king like this.
mrbrown
Post like these get right on my nervous. Rafa never knew his starting 11. Fergie doesn't even know his starting 11. It's 2012 mate. Gone are the day of a starting 11. It's a squad game nowadays. Kenny deserves another season. The last thing we need now is to be swapping managers every 12 months. We need stability as we have been on slippery slope for far too long.
How can FSG say Dalglish is the right man for this club?
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Because they invested a lot more money in the club than you could ever dream of and they know a lot more about what's going on WITHIN the club than us fans.
The media are going on about how ruthless they are...yet they're still backing Kenny. Leave them to do what they're best at.
13 Apr 2012 10:50:30
Kenny you are a very lucky man. Your head is on the line now. You should have went with Commolli. Do the decent thing and resign cos we do not want you wasting millions again in the transfer market. Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Adam - very bad buys.
We're two wins away from a possible domestic cup double. Have some faith in the team ffs
Red Ollie
Take it you didnt watch the Blackburn game then no named child? When do the schools go back Ed?
Andy C
EDs...why not have a simple rule ?.....no more NO NAMERS....will save a lot of grief.
Get everyone to register with an email address and name and then thats it....only one post per person cos their name comes up automatically when they post
Simples eh ?
tel 1949
13 Apr 2012 10:41:25
Have a listen to this; "Scousers on Wembley Way" By Jamie Broad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRAQS6UIVA
kidmillions
What a load of s**te! Where does he think he is, Compton CA? Helmet.
DaveyBootle
I take back a little what I say. Lyrics are decent and he means well but scousers don't do rap. Now, if he had the trimmed fringe and adidas samba i'd take it more seriously.
DaveyBootle
Have to disagree Davey, I think the content is brilliant and rap is very much in thing. Can see it being a HUGE HIT!
kidmillions
Not on Breck road it isn't! It's ale-house songs at twelve o'clock!
DaveyBootle
13 Apr 2012 10:40:30
hi ed will we get any of theese players in the summer
Munian
Soldado
Marin
Jovetic
Diame
Bojan
Alonso
Hazard
Please reply ed so i can take the names of my wishlist {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}
In other words ed002 a chance of just 1 of them {Ed002's Note - About right.}
13 Apr 2012 10:38:27
Buy more english players and we'll end up in midtable come nextseason.
Were already midtable lol
Guessing you don't want Sturridge if he becomes available then? Or Adam Johnson?
Red Ollie
Nobody wud want sturridge or johnson. Sturridge is selfish, johnson is inconsistent.
Indian Buzzer
13 Apr 2012 09:55:17
Anyone have any info on the young player Hector Herrera that we have been linked with signing?
YNWA jns
13 Apr 2012 09:54:10
Ed's, have you heard anything regarding Liverpool signing Mexico U23 winger Hector Herrara? {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any confirmed interest. It would I assume be within the remit of Diego Caniggia - perhaps he has taken a look?}
Ed002, I thought Diego Caniggia was Commolli's guy? will there be a change in the scouting set up (again) now he's gone?
Thanks
Richards {Ed002's Note - It does not matter who brought folks in to the club - it is whether or not they are doing their job well. Diego Caniggia is still doing his job.}
Thanks ed, it wasn't that he wasn't doing his job, it was more of a case that Commoli brought him to the club and he may choose/be forced to go to... perhaps there will be further changes when the new set up is confirmed.
Richards
{Ed002's Note - I have no feelings for it at all.}
13 Apr 2012 09:50:48
hi eds, are u surprise that comolli left liverpool? {Ed002's Note - No. I am surprised at the timing though.}
13 Apr 2012 10:22:39
Sorry if this has been asked a thousand times, but has tomorrows kick off been put back too 5.15? Just booking my train now (how expensive!?), I hate london so the less time spent there the better! cheers
davethebutcher {Ed002's Note - No Dave, the final will be at 5:15 not tomorrow. I spoke with someone earlier who was having trouble getting a direct train for a group and had finally booked via Reading. I hope your journey goes well - maybe I will see you there.}
Kick off's at 12.30pm ennit?
Cheers Ed mate.
davethebutcher
13 Apr 2012 10:15:11
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't KK the one who asked for our signings....
DC just spent over the odds.
LAVERS
Lavers, like many you are missing the point, DC was not sacked purely on the signings but because he claimed to able to do things beyond his limits, such as attracting world class players. He was given the DoF position by the owners because he over sold himself, and with their limited knowledge of football took what he said he could deliver at face value, when he failed to deliver, he was sacked
13 Apr 2012 10:11:07
"Breathing Deeply with John Henry"
Finally we have an issue that will destroy the cosy relationship and the fractious stand-offs between some posters/fans. Despite the endless postings and the discussions we have all engaged in, they now fade into time as events take a very quick turn.
KK will go at the end of the season. This is no time to be puffing out chests and bleating on about history: the man has failed to produce the goods as a manager and having spent a large wedge of FSG money, the accountants and financiers are working behind the scenes to resolve this. No good telling me this is nonsense and to get behind Kenny. He would appear to be a dead man walking following the shock sacking of Comolli yesterday. It was a shock primarily for the speed and the fact that others followed him out of the departure lounge.
In some of my other missives I did say that FSG are not European and would probably take an American view of the club and the game. LFC is a business; it is a part of society, but football is an industry and if it's not working well then it's costing someone £$£$£$. That doesn't work for investors and owners. So the adulation and genuflections afforded by many of us to KK simply won't work with the money men. He and Comolli (both responsible for the players and results) have failed and in the owners' eyes that is not acceptable.
Now before some of you get worked up and start the usual bullying shouts of loyalty and the essence of Liverpool and all that stuff, get behind the team and glory to KK - just tell FSG why we are in a mid-table position and why our image has been trashed this season. Then when they sack people you'll know why. No crocodile tears and rallying cries now. John Henry and Tom Werner bought the club to make money. It needs to be successful and they will take measures to ensure it does become that.
There will be posters taking umbrage at anyone posting anything that relates to KK being sacked. Cue the icon and legend and ........ Truth is, if you listen to the radio and read an increasing number of people on here. Time is up for KK. Not that it means we want that, but it's not a decision any of us will be making.
As for the future: winning tomorrow may stall the process and yet it seems inevitable there will be big changes. I was stunned to read that Cruyff was being considered for DoF. Sounds like one of those wishes-for that I often deride from others. I doubt that will happen, ALTHOUGH, it would not be a total shock to me if Frank Rijkaard became manager and the great one (my words only) became DoF. But that's not going to happen ........ ?
Tomorrow's game was always going to be significant in terms of things balanced on the result. Forget the old cliches of 'no smoke without fire' and the Scouse one of 'the media make everything up.' This cleansing process was begun by the Americans and will continue regardless of tomorrow's game.
No crystal ball but I don't need one for this. I think (read my lips if you could see and understand the words in the right order!) KK will either be given the chance to move to a board role or he will leave under his own steam. Thousands of fans will not want that (me possibly included ..... possibly ...) but many more will be saying it is LFC not KDFC. The FSG will be saying it's our team, we spend the money and WE make the decisions. Bitch all you like; complain and accuse other fans of heresy and betrayal but it won't matter. Views are like clouds on a windy day - moving on and replaced with a new outlook.
Steve Parker
I listen to radio Merseyside and City here in Liverpool and the truth is they are mostly pro Kenny.
kidmillions
"John Henry and Tom Werner bought the club to make money".
Don't know about that. Wealthy men typically buy football clubs as a trophy or a toy - not to make money. Ask Abramovich or the Abu Dhabi clan how much money they are making. They will fall down laughing.
They are making changes probably because they are naturally competitive people, and want to win.
And I am not sure what hiring Cruyff and Rikjaard will get us, to be honest. The former is semi-retired, with a dodgy ticker, and a history of being very difficult to work with.
Rijkaard as a manager succeeded with Barca, flopped with Sparta Rotterdam, Galatasaray, and Saudi Arabia. Hardly Mourinho-esque.
Hopefully the owners are getting some good advice from somewhere. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool is an investment to FSG - not a toy to the owners. Again a ridiculous comparison - it is noting like the situation at Chelsea or MCFC.}
Who's advising FSG now, then SP ?
They're arms length and have been conspicuous (apart from Wembley) by their absence.
There's talk of David Dein and / or Johann Cruyff. Both very different roles.
So Kenny goes, or is moved upstairs (to what role exactly ?), who looks after the team.
Who does the recruiting in Summer ?
Haha, it's your post not thought through in my opinion.
Yes, I'm all for Kenny. Posters know that.
But there are practical issues here.
A complete change of management, and maybe structure, in Summer. All whilst turning over playing staff as well ?
And the stadium ?
It's FSG who have got their jockeys in a twist mate.
The Real KB
Just your own personal predictions, mate. What if Kenny stays for another season, which i think is going to happen?
I think it you that needs to read what you write The Real KB. You sound like you don't know what you're on about m8.
If LFC is an investment, then owners could have a long wait to make any serious return on it. The only sure-fire way would be to take ownership of media rights. As of right now, the club is costing money. Or am I missing something?
Rijkaard as a manager succeeded with Barca, flopped with Sparta Rotterdam, Galatasaray, and Saudi Arabia. Hardly Mourinho-esque.
Who mentioned Mourinho? Not a part of this discssion was it? Strange thing to say.
"Just your own personal predictions, mate. What if Kenny stays for another season, which i think is going to happen?"
Of course they are my own personal predicitions, after all, that's why I put my name to my posts!
What if KK stays?
What if we win the FA Cup?
What is your point?
As you said - they are my predictions.
Steve Parker
The madness is that if Liverpool sack Kenny & the next manager doesn't get a top 4 spot in his first season, is he sacked too? Just daft!
The Irish Rover
Liverpool Football Club is an investment to FSG, eventually they will want to make money out of it. They have been strong supporters of the implementation of FFP, and want Liverpool to be as self sufficient as possible. The only way FSG will make a return on their investment is if Liverpool are in the Champions League, challenging for the Premier League, going on foreign tours every year spreading the brand that is Liverpool Football Club. With a strong brand comes opportunities for big sponsorship deals, which will bring in the revenues to challenge the oligarchs, sheikhs and business savvy heavyweights.
What Liverpool need, if KK is to stay on as manager is someone who is willing to disagree with him. He can't have a team of yes men around him. Neither Comolli, Ian Ayre or Steve Clarke it seems has questioned the players Kenny was looking to sign, his handling of the Suarez case, his demeanour with the media or any other aspect of his reign. KK having absolute power is not good for LFC. Whether that means a new DoF or a new man at board level who is willing to question KK's decisions, I don't know but there needs to be someone like that.
I believe KK has till the end of the season to save his job, beating Everton tomorrow would be a good start. Finishing in 7th and an FA Cup win may save him, but no FA Cup and finishing below Everton will leave him very little room to defend his reign.
RedSG
FSG recognise that Kenny is an enormous asset to them, and also that he needs a lot of help ( and even guidance ) at certain times.
Kenny will stay, he knows we want him to stay and so do FSG.
To sack Kenny Dalglish would be a media disaster of EPIC proportions and could damage and tarnish the club irrevocably.
Kenny has a huge role to play, he just needs a little time...he will get there
Tel 1949
I agree with the real kb,sp post where quite a good read in beginning now they do ur nut in.i wonder if he is a liverpool fan or what i believe he is a journo for the s*n
mrbrown
Tel 1949, exactimondo !
Kenny Dalglish is LFC. Sacking him would do the "brand" massive harm.
Have you noticed all the mancs and Blues are dying for him to go, so they can use it as a stick to beat us with for years ?
Dalglish has to stay. And FSG know they're stuck with it, whether they like it or not.
The Real KB
The club are persuing the DOF(Cruyff) that Kenny Dalglish initially suggested and really wanted instead of Comolli. The club are continuing to pursue existing transfer targets that Kenny has undoubtedly chosen like last summer's arrivals if we're to believe both Kenny and Mr Werner.
If Kenny is certain to go Mr Steven Parker then it seems a very strange way of going about things.
The club are basically putting in place the structure and squad Kenny wants but yet will release him/reposition him come may?
I think Kenny will be given the opportunity to start next season BUT will be under no illusion that its hit the ground running or you're gone.
s.p
"I agree with the real kb,sp post where quite a good read in beginning now they do ur nut in.i wonder if he is a liverpool fan or what i believe he is a journo for the s*n"
mrbrown
No - I do not work for The Sun.
Yes - I believe in free speech unless we became a Sharia state while I was at lunch?
Posts were good at the start and good now buster! They might do your nut in as you put it if you find the words too long to understand!
Fan - probably long before you .....
"Real fan" - no, just an ordinary one and no different from any others of any e.
Bored wit posters like you? Yes. All whines and no substance.
Steve Parker
Mrbrown,
SP pops up whenever there are problems at LFC. It was the same when Roy Hodgson was in charge. Then he left the site for a bit.
Suddenly, when things are murky again, he's back. With his questions, questions, I don't do answers. Name checking Talksport - another radio reference today.
Why doesn't he go and preach with a sandwich board around his neck, up and down Wembley Way tomorrow, and see where his questions get him ?
The Real KB
Jesus you knwo nothing about Steve Parker mate with comments like that! He hates talkSPORT as you would know by the way he blasts them and calls them takSH**TE! If you read what he writes (and I like his posts) he stimulates discussion and is never afraid to ask serious questions. He isn't a slavish devotee and mindless follower and that grates with some people. He'd be the sort of bloke asking Jesus if he was for real and questioning him. So you got that totally wrong the Real KB. Left the site for a bit? Well since when is that a crime? Do I have to post reguarly to be what he calls a 'real fan?' And what is the point of your post as it isn't saying anything but whinging to me.
Tony Bootle YNWA87
RealKB you sound like some some of facist thug tryin to supress free speech.
I said name checks Talksport, Tony.
Name checks.
Drums up interest, so other fans go on and listen to what's being discussed.
The Real KB
Would KK being sacked tarnish the "brand" more than the handling of the Suarez case? I don't think we'll have sponsors pulling out of deals because KK has been sacked... We as fans will be disappointed for sure, but I won't stop supporting Liverpool because he has been sacked! No one is bigger than the club!
I agree with everyone who has said that Kenny Dalglish is a massive asset to the club, no doubt about that. But whether he has the ability to get us challenging for the league and Champions League places which we all crave, I don't know...
Last seasons run, made me believe he could, and I was delighted he was signed up permanently. This season though really makes you think whether the right decisions were made.
RedSG {Ed001's Note - have you read Paul Tomkins take on it? I would highly recommend doing so.}
No I haven't ed, whats the article called I'll give it a read
RedSG {Ed001's Note - despite him using the moneyball term I despise (it is not moneyball!!!) it is an excellent article and I would urge all readers to take a look: http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/04/moneyball-statistics-and-damien-comolli/
It does have some really interesting points regarding why it was DC that carried the can, while Dalglish continues to carry the flag.}
I never realised Paul Tomkins was so well connected. One hour phone calls with John Henry !
TTT is an excellent LFC site mind. I think even PT is unsure of whether Dalglish will remain.
The Real KB
A very good article, thanks for the recommendation
I find it hard to believe that KK would buy into the "Moneyball" way of thinking DC is said to have persuaded FSG with.
He had a style of football last season that was working, and getting results, I don't see why he would change it. I've read in articles when stats were put on his desk in the old days he'd just throw them in the bin, and was use his instinct and experience to make a decision.
I fully understand buying into the FTR's, it's something Barcelona do fantastically (I don't know if stats back that claim up) the amount of time they win the ball back in the opposition half or final third literally working the opponents into submission. The crossing one i'm not too sure about, there's too many ifs with it.
I think we all agree that removing Comolli was the way to go, whether he was implementing "moneyball" or not, he just hasn't got the skills to back up his claims to fame, Wenger will tell you that!
Do you think KK was influenced in his summer targets by Comolli championing the "moneyball" way and style of play with the crosses, ftr's etc.?
RedSG {Ed002's Note - There is no "moneyball" way.}
The real kb
your posts are quality mate the way you stand by kenny,he is in my mind still the wright and only man to take us forward.this season is coming to a close fella.but if you drink in the bars around anfield b4 games, maybe next yr! the northeast branch i go thru and your lot can get together for a few pints before a game
mrbrown
Ed001, is this the article you're referring to?
tomkinstimes.com/2012/03/in-depth-why-are-liverpool-struggling/
Ryan 'O
Tomkins piece is a nice compilation of what we have been reading on here for a while, albeit with a few interesting inside comments. The expression "it's not rocket science" might apply to his summing up, but it was well worth a read, if not as scholarly as I was expecting.
13 Apr 2012 10:08:23
several people are asking why this cull has happened just before the semi-final..only the board really know, but if they wanted to get things cleared away prior to the end of the season I should imagine they thought IF we win the semi it would be bad to burst the bubble of euphoria which might carry us all the way to winning the cup and the last few league games. But on the other hand IF we lose the semi the cull would look like a knee-jerk reaction to just that one defeat alone.
So - get it done.
Puzzled
Summer player transfers are being negotiated now, so we need people in place ASAP. And the owners are in town now.
13 Apr 2012 10:08:16
Kenny is still the man to lead us forward, the infrastructure of the club has been developed over the last couple of years, improving it as we go is the best step, not ripping it up and starting again. The direct approach to dealing with problems instead of analysing all the variables (which we do not see the internal mechanisms of the club) is astute and correct management. Comoli advised on football matters not just transfers, they did not see his knowledge base as the best and will replace him with someone with a greater breadth, depth and current knowledge of football. If FSG want the best foundations then they need to add someone who compliments Kenny and the LFC philosophy. Van Gaal and Cruuf play football the correct way and have great history and knowledge, hence one of these would make sense. Organic growth over time establishes firm and long lasting success, the role models are evident in the EPL (Man U, Arsenal) and with Barcelona. I prefer us to build sustainability rather than short cut success on a flawed business model that bankrupts the club.
See you at Wembley lads, safe journeys.
YNWA Evo
13 Apr 2012 10:08:16
Hi Eds,
Quick question, a mate has let me down at the last minute and I have a spare ticket for tomorrow. Its a club Wembley ticket so no colours allowed. Would you know of any interested parties?
If so you can get me on ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Prob best not to email me as my wife is in hospital & I will be there for most of the day
Chers guys {Ed002's Note - I have the poster's contacty details if anyone has serious interest in this.}
I am interested in the ticket {Ed002's Note - My assistant will email you the contact details shortly - from Costa Coffee in Campden Town she tells me.}
Any chance of the details?????? i really want the ticket? {Ed002's Note - As I said, she will be sending you the details. They are not going to be posted here - they have been emailed.}
Cheers Eds.......just waiting for a call back now so may have gone, I will update you
Cheers guys
Very very very, like willing to sacrifice bodily organs interested.been let down with a job so suddenly free. Your mate is mad!
FatJanMolby
Hi guys & Eds, just letting everyone know the ticket has just gone. Thanks for the interest, they went for face valu as I am nt a tout & its a genuine Red too.
Thanks everyone
Crooky
Ps come on boys lets do the blue noses!!! YNWA
13 Apr 2012 09:58:37
Eds, is it possible that David Dein and Cruyff could both join? If so, what positions do you believe they would take-up within the club.
Cheers
Sam Adzii JFT 96 {Ed002's Note - Possible, sure. I have no interest in speculating about job titles they would have.}
What a day would that be. two absolute legends and famous personalities around the world with proven abilities. YNWA Trustme
13 Apr 2012 09:40:31
Dalglish has the nerve to claim "Our concern when we came was that we moved the football club forward. It has done." Is he on medication or what!?!? What reality he lives in? I simply lost for words. The sooner he walks off the better.
Nikki
Your spot on, I can not believe Kenny thinks we have improved, I remember one year ago we had more than one trophy in the cabinet and a semi final at Wembley coming up, also we were guaranteed a place in Europe and we had a better squad, like Poulsen, Konchesky, Cole, Ngog E.T.C
Ohh Wait...
G BOX
13 Apr 2012 09:38:27
Further to what I was saying the other day (10/4)
Ed 002 Tom Werner has just come out and said "certainly we feel we have the resources to compete with anyone in football"
No one is expecting Man City type signings but I fully expect some top quality players to come in. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps he means that the players to compete are already at the club? Did you get any other secret messages from him? And not signing your posts and then saying "Further to what I was saying ..." doesn't help anyone. Nobody is suggesting that Liverpool have no money - but there are players and players wages that they simply cannot afford. The example I used the other day was that Adebayor's gross wages are close to 5% of the annual turnover of Liverpool. Aguero's wages are more than 6% of Liverpool's turnover, as are Tevez's wages. Hopefully this clarifies matter just a little.}
13 Apr 2012 09:19:32
Dear ed's and fellow liverpool fans,
I am only 18 so I was not around for era of the boot room, I know I could google it but I would like to hear what it is from the golden oldies who experienced it. Any information would be much appreciated.
Kind regards
The southern red
The Boot Room was simply that: a number of senior figures who gathered for a cup of tea and chat about the club. It is no real secret ingredient to the success of the club, merely a nice PR story. They could have met at someone's home or in the pub.
It started out as a hidy hole for the back room staff, led by Bob Paisley to have a drink and a chat away from Shanks who didn't drink, then Shanks found it and moved in. :)
kidmillions
Look on the net and buy the double vhs of back to bootroom you will soon know by watching this {Ed002's Note - VHS? Are you sure it was not Betamax? Or carved in stone.}
13 Apr 2012 09:01:30
Maybe we have misunderstood the role that FSG wanted Comolli to play and he was fired because he could never perform that function?
He definitely had a good record for buying young players who had a small value initially and eventually became very expensive players. A skill we need at this club.
But to be fair to him, he had never negotiated multi million pound transfer deals such as the ones undertaken last season. Christ, even Blackpool refused to deal with him over the shannigans about the Charlie Adam deal, and Ajax almost pulled out of talks over Suarez. Ajax were very dissapointed in LFC negotiating tactics and were heavily criticised at the time.
What does this tell us ?
To negotiate these sorts of deals we need someone with charisma who commands respect for being a high level negotiator and who can deal with other like minded CEOs who have achieved their positions through integrity and financial wisdom.
We had Peter Robinson in the 80's a man with exactly those qualities. The man to represent LFC for these sorts of deals was never ever going to be Commoli, despite his obvious skills at spotting talent at an early age.
Remember also that Peter Robinson provided another key element to our wonderful club. He had the intelligence and experience to gauge very early on, any impending media issues that could possibly damage our clubs reputation. He was our guardian against press intrusions, and there is no way he would have allowed the handling of the Suarez situation with the worlds press to go the way it did.
We expect and want Kenny to be the torch bearer for all things associated with the playing staff on the field of play. We expect him to be emotional about the club and to protect the players in particular, thats the way he is and thats why we all love him. Its also exactly the way Fergie is.
Kenny needs a strong 'CEO/Football Director/Call it what you want' above him who respects Kenny, will do all the high level deals, but may even at times reign Kenny in. Kenny is a human being after all and at times he also needs some guidance.
He is not a financial negotiator, or a well oiled smooth media man, he is Kenny Dalglish a man who is universally loved and adored by fans, who led us through the tragic events of Hillsborough and attended countless funerals throughout the city, a man whose football skills are world class (along with his acid wit with slimey reporters) a family man who wants only what is best for Liverpool Football Club. He is top quality and we are very lucky to have him.
He needs some assistance in this huge task and maybe, just maybe, FSH have recognised his qualities and are in the process of trying to help both him and us achieve our aims. We are on our journey and we want Kenny with us, of that there is no doubt, but we also want some strong and professional people to help guide him at times and achieve what we know he is more than capable of.
Is there a new Peter Robinson out there and are they looking for him as I type ?
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Tel you need to also remember that Comolli was FSG's "football man" and not just someone who dealt with transfers. He was there to give them advice based on his experience and knowledge of the game. Targets were clear and it was simply not working - so they have acted.}
(along with his acid wit with slimey reporters)
Exactly why KK will be let go!
Cliched rubbish mate!
13 Apr 2012 08:49:50
Having seen the Tom Werner interview on LFC TV last night I am very happy with FSGs stance which is simple
If you don't do a good job you're out!!
Obviously the new owners are winners and determined to drive the club forward which is something we've lacked for years
RedDan
13 Apr 2012 08:42:50
We are getting absolutely battered by everyone this morning, just what we need before a massive game on the next day
My opinion on commolis transfers
Suarez-fantastic if you look over the "affair"
Carroll-disappointing but he gets no service so you can't blame him, starting to look like a good player
Enrique- good signing but has been woeful since the cc final
Adam-ok underperformed and didn't really do much all season
Bellamy-fantastic dispite his age and knee problems FREE too
Henderson-not a right winger, is a cm, look,ed better v blackburn and villa
Coates- good and young can become a right gem, can't help feeling he will be sold though?
Doni-did nothing all season and shouldn't have had to free so doesn't matter
Downing-IMO possibly the worst signing we have made, he has done absolutely nothing all season and should take the blame for the lack of goals. We were guaranteed that he would chip in with 6/7 but he hasn't even got an assist part of the reason andy has not scored so many ?
Jplfc
13 Apr 2012 08:40:33
Hi Ed's
Just been thinking a bit after listening to Graham Beakroft on TS.
Firstly I'm glad the owners are acting now as it gives time to get things in place before the end of the season, ready to mount a serious headway on recruitment during the transfer window. I think the decision to move now indicates it will be a major window for us as the Americans try to revitalise the squad from top to bottom to mount a serious challenge next season.
Not my wish but do you think there is any logic to the idea that tomorrow is the pivotal, make or break moment for KD. If we win he has next season. A feel good factor surrounding him and a relatively decent return from the 11/12 season. If we lose to Everton and with nothing left to fight for he will be moved aside and someone new brought in with a few games left to get to know the team and work with the players before the transfer window opens??
Also does anyone know just what exactly Johan Cruyf has been up to in the last decade? I respect his footballing achievements masively but not too sure what he's accomplished in a Board level role recently. Ajax aren't exactly a world force anymore, obviously he was part of the total football system of the 80's but thats almost 30 years ago now and everybody already took the best parts of that and adapted it to best fit, i.e Barca, Us, Man U, etc etc I'm just wondering what new ideas or experience he will be bringing ahead of someone who's been active in player development and recruitment in more recent times.
Thanks
FatJanMolby
Cruyff played an important role in creating the setup at barcelona which seems to have been quite fruitful and although Ajax are not the force they once were they are producing a string of talents, such as erikson, that are wanted by the top clubs in the top leagues. So he may know a thing or too that would be useful for a DoF role drapps.
Must admit I'm a little puzzled by the Cruyff development.
Probably the greatest player to come out of Europe. But he is now in his mid-sixties, semi-retired, has health issues, and is known for falling out with people he works with.
If the goal is to adopt the Barcelona approach, why not hire someone younger who has worked there, has the energy to take on a big job, to learn about the Premiership, and has good interpersonal skills?
13 Apr 2012 08:31:57
Liverpool target Johan Cruyff for senior role . then manager will be Frank Reijkard ? both is creater of today's Barca.
R-R
The latter inherited a lot of good players and has done little since
It was guardiola who inherited world class players, not rijkaard. Rijkaard did not have a world class trioka of messi, xavi n iniesta to work with.
Indian Buzzer
I'll keep Kenny at manager, cruyff as dof an the other guy as technical director.
13 Apr 2012 08:31:18
Well it seems that andy carrolls confidence is going to take a hit as will his wages when he is forced out in the summer.
I think it's unfair to put all the blame as the press are doing, for Comolli et al losing their jobs because andy couldn't score every game and to say that it's his fault the owners have gone firing crazy it a bit harsh. Maybe they should blame the likes of downing who has done nothing all Season and doesnt even deserve a place on the bench, before players who are playing well and have at least contributed to the season get blamed
I also think that the likes of Suarez,Carroll, downing and Adam will be sold at the end of the season
Bean
13 Apr 2012 08:03:55
I hope the timing of Comolli's sacking is only the start.
Dalglish should be next.
The results and records say it all.
Enough of the pride and the passion the club expects...
The results lay at the King's feet.
If the other half wins on Saturday, Kenny should lay on his sword.
Can spot a manc a mile off!!
Ian the red
13 Apr 2012 08:00:48
What matters now is tomorrow's game! Glad we've got Agger back cos we'll need him to give Jones some confidence and protection. Lets get behind our team: out-sing, out-shout and outplay the toffees!
And with the critical eyes of the media lets show the world that win or lose, Merseyside fans are best.
YNWA
The spirit of the 96 and little Luca will be with us.
13 Apr 2012 07:58:16
"We feel there is enough talent on the pitch to win and I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football"-Tom Werner.......Eds even though we went for so many players last transfer it was not expected that there would be major reshuffling but seeing the performance and recent events .....also the above statement do you think we would again do majour shopping with almost all the surpluses going out??
Seen a few people on here get excited by this quote. I'm fairly sure the resources he's talking about are the players we already have. Basically he's saying in his opinion, Liverpool have a strong enough squad to compete with anyone on their day. This is true, as we've beaten pretty much all the big teams at one point this season, it's consistency that's the problem. I wouldn't be expecting another £100M spent in the summer on the back of this quote.
Rugby Parker
13 Apr 2012 07:13:11
Hi Eds,
I noticed that Roberto Soldado wasn't at the game[Valencia 4-1 Rayo].
What is the main cause of his absence?,
is he injured?,or he is unsettled.
I'd love you to comment on this.
JFT96.
Cheers. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea. Sorrry.}
He was injured had not trained all week
He has signed for LFC and was not risked. Is that what you want to hear?
13 Apr 2012 06:58:04
All the signings were kennys choice.
Then the owners sack comolli and give dalglish full control over transfers!?
Whats the logic, eds? {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect that blaming the transfer for Comolli leaving is the issue here. It was not as simple as that. But he has gone - move on.}
13 Apr 2012 06:29:29
mutual consent?
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/tom-werner-on-comolli-decision
sounds like the hierachy were certainly are not happy.
Comolli definately was making the recommendations and kenny was saying yes/on.
Kenny is not to blame fellas.
At the end of the day (AS RAFA WOULD SAY) he is there to coach and manage the team not to identify or recommend transfer targets that was clearly comollis terms of reference
now lets get behind the reds stick it to the blues win the FA Cup and regardless of league form it will have been a good first season
Get someone who knows the transfer market (cruyff/the guy at newcastle/laudrup) to manage the transfers and let kenny do what he does best
MANAGE
13 Apr 2012 06:13:46
Liverpool Football Club are unavailable for comment..
Ergo, (daily mail and spam readers thats Latin for therefore), every so called news media will now make up stories to grab headlines. Kenny refuses to give soundbites, the team refuse to lose when down to ten men , oh the shame of being an ardent 'Pool fan. Semi -final just days away and now our "great" doyan of european football has unceremoniously been shown the door :-). Oh what do we do? Here's a thought, let's support the manager, cheer on the team that plays on saturday, and, just for once on this beloved site, EVERY ONE WHO IS REALLY A LIVERPOOL FAN, scream our fookin heads off from start to finish on saturday. Why? This club has given this old Irish fool years of joy since 1973, i accept all the bad times recently, why, because trust me on this, when Liverpool F.C. do things right and win a trophy, it makes me so happy, and by Guaranga it is worth it every time for the joy it brings into my life.
Cork Red Boi
Well said cork boyie
13 Apr 2012 05:42:49
who had a good season in your opinion and were the best players in LFC so far? Thanks.
Suarez, enrique, skrtel, agger, kuyt, lucas(before he got injured), bellamy, gerrard, johnson, reina, maxi, coates, shelvey has been ok
Joe cole has done ok
Dont believe Gerrard or Reina been great.The rest ild agree with
13 Apr 2012 04:52:26
I wonder if there was any pressure on Kenny by Comolli to play the new signings and thus justifying his position at the club. I'm just guessing though.
HK
13 Apr 2012 04:19:22
Small thing on the future of Kenny Dalglish.
The departures yesterday all point to the direction of Kenny staying on another season, fantastic.
I'll start my point off with Dr Peter Brukner. Dan Roan (BBC) stated that senior officials said he did not fit into Kenny's 'traditional regime'. Make of that what you will. He has now deleted his comments off Twitter, which may suggest he had gotten into trouble for it, or it was nonsense.
Second point, Mr Damien Comolli. As you all know he was sacked early yesterday and there a few names touted to replace him, one of them being Johan Cruyff. One of the eds wrote on here that he was recommended by Kenny at the start of his regime, but the club opted for Comolli instead.
This leads me to the last bit, why are FSG getting rid of management staff that Kenny doesn't like if they were going to get rid of him in the summer or he was going to be off? While getting rid of people he probably doesn't want there, they're replacing them with perhaps people he does want. That to me shows that FSG have total faith in Kenny Dalglish, and he will be staying on for one more season, at least. I for one am incredibly pleased with that.
Of course this is just how interpret it, i don't expect you to agree of disagree with me.
Cheers for reading, feel free to comment or add anything to this.
Sikander.
All here say and speculation!
NS
13 Apr 2012 03:37:05
My money's on DC popping up at Newcastle, as he's earned them a fortune and possible champs league place.
Best employee they have.
Pumpkin Express.
13 Apr 2012 02:12:34
Conspiracies, panic, speculation and rumours abound !
However, what has actually happened?
We've parted company with some French bloke we weren't sure about anyway.
Now, we are in meltdown according to some!
FSG are now being cast in the same light (by some on here) as Hicks and Gillett. Why?...because they took on Comolli in the first place?
Some of the carp I read on here defies belief!
A win on Saturday will put us in the FA Cup Final and if we win the Final we'll be the most successful club in the country this season.
Also, our total overhaul of trophies will have increased that much further versus our "rivals" (nobody can truly rival us).
Kenny came out today and took the flak for the signings and straight away he gets abuse from morons calling for his head !?
Flak?...Maybe that should be credit!
Why were foreign managers granted "5-year plans" and Kenny has to rule the World straight away?
In previous posts I've suggested that Kenny's days are numbered and I stand by that. But I regret thinking that way and wish it were different.
We all have to think differently now we've got foreign-ownership.
Commercialism is a fact of life now and our In conclusion, current owners are doing a fine job of exploiting niches in the market. Our sponsorship deals are amongst the best in the business and an FA Cup win now followed by a Europa League win and ECL qualification next year will keep the "project" going.
David Moores was guilty (amongst other things) of not capitalising on our success commercially.
FSG will do everything to ensure that we succeed both on and off the pitch because, nowadays, they go hand in hand.
My message to the "unruly mob" is back off the owners.
The main news today was the leaving of Steve Bruckner but, it seems, he was hired to establish a medical team and has achieved his goal.
Comolli, I'm led to believe, really did leave by mutual consent......he's going on to "better things" and we are "re-structuring".
Kenny's worth to the club isn't lost on the owners so he'll still be a part of our lives whatever.......thank Fowler!
I don't believe there was any particular animosity between KK and DC but that's only my opinion!
I think this'll be a MASSIVE Summer but only at a managerial-level.
We'll sign the players we need but FSG are savvie enough to recognise that we have the makings of a decent squad.
Henderson,Carroll,Adam,Coates,Enrique,Downingand Doni were all "good" signings (mostly) and, apart from Doni, will form the future if they stay.
Again, it's as much about who we sell than who we buy. FSG will want Aquilani, Cole,Kuuyt, Johnson etc. off the wage-bill and will appreciate the need to bring in quality. They'll be discussing the implications of selling the likes of Reina,Suarez and Johnson and relegating Carra and even Gerrard to "lesser" roles. Replacing Kuuyt shouldn't be too difficult....I'm available!
Kuuyt has been offered some jobs and I'm positive he'll take one of them and he leaves with my best wishes....almost a legend!
Don't get me wrong....I merely think we'll sell Suarez, Reina, Johnson and Kuuyt (I'm not WISHING it).
What I'm saying, perhaps, is that FSG are in charge and, whether we like it or not, they'll spend big to win things. And they'll spend to cover their mistakes.
My massive concern is that they don't know English football and they're employing the wrong people to "educate" them on what it takes to win the League.
However, if it happens, a Carling cup and an FA Cup win along with a top six position wouldn't be a bad season.....if it happens!
In conclusion, as a season-ticket holder, League-form has been money down the drain (predictably 1-1 every game!) but, with the luck of the draw at times in the cups, we've done well.
Yours Sincerely,
ANFIELDPETE
13 Apr 2012 02:27:22
Comolli had to go. Liverpool do not have any summer signings locked in. He has not only made too many poor decisions but has also been indecisive. Any new appointments that Liverpool make must be able to lock in the best available talent as soon as the next window opens.
May be you didnt read kenny's interview he do say the player is his choice and comolli do good job to bring the player he want.
13 Apr 2012 02:05:47
Conspiracies, panic, speculation and rumours abound !
However, what has actually happened?
We've parted company with some French bloke we weren't sure about anyway.
Now, we are in meltdown according to some!
FSG are now being cast in the same light (by some on here) as Hicks and Gillett. Why?...because they took on Comolli in the first place?
Some of the carp I read on here defies belief!
A win on Saturday will put us in the FA Cup Final and if we win the Final we'll be the most successful club in the country this season.
Also, our total overhaul of trophies will have increased that much further versus our "rivals" (nobody can truly rival us).
Kenny came out today and took the flak for the signings and straight away he gets abuse from morons calling for his head !?
Flak?...Maybe that should be credit!
Why were foreign managers granted "5-year plans" and Kenny has to rule the World straight away?
In previous posts I've suggested that Kenny's days are numbered and I stand by that. But I regret thinking that way and wish it were different.
We all have to think differently now we've got foreign-ownership.
Commercialism is a fact of life now and our In conclusion, current owners are doing a fine job of exploiting niches in the market. Our sponsorship deals are amongst the best in the business and an FA Cup win now followed by a Europa League win and ECL qualification next year will keep the "project" going.
David Moores was guilty (amongst other things) of not capitalising on our success commercially.
FSG will do everything to ensure that we succeed both on and off the pitch because, nowadays, they go hand in hand.
My message to the "unruly mob" is back off the owners.
The main news today was the leaving of Steve Bruckner but, it seems, he was hired to establish a medical team and has achieved his goal.
Comolli, I'm led to believe, really did leave by mutual consent......he's going on to "better things" and we are "re-structuring".
Kenny's worth to the club isn't lost on the owners so he'll still be a part of our lives whatever.......thank Fowler!
I don't believe there was any particular animosity between KK and DC but that's only my opinion!
I think this'll be a MASSIVE Summer but only at a managerial-level.
We'll sign the players we need but FSG are savvie enough to recognise that we have the makings of a decent squad.
Henderson,Carroll,Adam,Coates,Enrique,Downingand Doni were all "good" signings (mostly) and, apart from Doni, will form the future if they stay.
Again, it's as much about who we sell than who we buy. FSG will want Aquilani, Cole,Kuuyt, Johnson etc. off the wage-bill and will appreciate the need to bring in quality. They'll be discussing the implications of selling the likes of Reina,Suarez and Johnson and relegating Carra and even Gerrard to "lesser" roles. Replacing Kuuyt shouldn't be too difficult....I'm available!
Kuuyt has been offered some jobs and I'm positive he'll take one of them and he leaves with my best wishes....almost a legend!
Don't get me wrong....I merely think we'll sell Suarez, Reina, Johnson and Kuuyt (I'm not WISHING it).
What I'm saying, perhaps, is that FSG are in charge and, whether we like it or not, they'll spend big to win things. And they'll spend to cover their mistakes.
My massive concern is that they don't know English football and they're employing the wrong people to "educate" them on what it takes to win the League.
However, if it happens, a Carling cup and an FA Cup win along with a top six position wouldn't be a bad season.....if it happens!
In conclusion, as a season-ticket holder, League-form has been money down the drain (predictably 1-1 every game!) but, with the luck of the draw at times in the cups, we've done well.
I'm getting "frustrated" now....frickin' Jim Beam so I'll sign off ......i'll leave you with this massage...Everton are poopy pants. Sorry, that was immature. Everton are s**te!
My daughter's won more than them at show-jumping and she admits she can't even ride a horse!
f*** off Gollam you Fergie Puppet!
Yours Sincerely,
ANFIELDPETE
Great wall of CHINA!
Is right Pete. Half of Manchester will be gutted when we beat the UTD reserves on saturday.
DaveyBootle
Good post pete, spoilt by the bad language at the end im afraid.
13 Apr 2012 02:03:32
Ed, would you say there is an interest from liverpool to bring back torres ? {Ed001's Note - *sighs*}
LOL AHA, omg the eds gotta love their work aha
BADGER
Siiiiiiiiiiighs, ponders, looks wistfully into the sky and SCREAMS, WHY? Eds been following this site for 3 years now, have to agree with chris from yesterday. What was a great site is slowly becoming a banal site for moranic and childish comments. That is in no way a reflection on the work of any other eds (although maybe Ed.002 :-)), She knows we all love her. But, the infantile comments appearing lately are a massive disservise to what this site was, and why people came here in the first place. I'm all in favour of free speech but these days i skim the posts to find one worth reading. Keep up the fantastic work, all the effort from every Ed. is greatly appreciated and welcome, sorry for the rant.
Cork Red Boi {Ed002's Note - The trouble is that we cannot control what the posters send in. It is school vacation right now and it will get better next week but after every loss or draw the fans enter 36 hours of meltdown - not controlled by us.}
Only if we have a spare 30 quid and Kevin Davies turns us down
cozinoz
13 Apr 2012 01:31:11
Wembley huge but appropriate stage for underachievers to step forward! Or.........!
Totally agree, I remember watching an event in 1985 from there, when the underdogs blew everyone away. The guys before them were in Dire Straits, the guy after them tried to keep up with the Jones, have no idea Who came on next, but, fair play to Freddie and Queen thats all i remember from Live Aid.
Cork Red Boi
Lol good post m8
13 Apr 2012 01:30:12
Werner aint gona undermine Kenny now.But ild expect all parties know moves are underway.Kennys effectively signed own warrant saying signings were his and praising Commoli.Its about singing from same Hymn sheet till endve season.When all will most likely quickly become apparent
13 Apr 2012 01:18:49
IMO far and away the main reason Comolli has gone is financial. The Americans are businessmen and I think they thought he'd be bartering a bit harder than he has done. I don't think the Americans are that bothered about the players' performances as it's only been one season, but we signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for fees that seemed very high at the time and which a better negotiator could probably have knocked down to about 50%. Comolli sorts out the fee and the Americans want a better negotiator. Simple.
Red Ollie
Americans want us to be back on our perch. They did not buy the club to be second best. And, through trial and error, they are looking for the right people to put us back there. Simple.
Businessmen and trial and error do not go in the same sentence bro
red snake
Yeah I agree they just want the best for the club, I'm not suggesting they're being stingey, but I think the main reason Comolli has gone rather than, say, Kenny, is financial
Red Ollie
Agree with RedOllie. No-one would be moaning about Carroll or Downing if they cost 5m - it's not Kenny's signings that have made the previous transfer window look poor, but the money we paid for them.....which surely was down to Commolli's negotiating 'skills'?
cozinoz
13 Apr 2012 01:13:30
EDS do you know if cryuff is a target that is WILLING to come if maybe the chance was there. or what i meen is he an actual possibility no matter how small. because other fans from around the footballing community have been going ballistic since it was even mentioned. im divided on dein or cryuff. both were great. one set up the barcelona program i believe. and the other, got the ball rolling with the emirats stadium and also has "ins" with the FA and we all know that cant hurt ;) {Ed001's Note - Cruyff is at his first love right now, but there is a massive ongoing row between two factions there. It has been rumbling on for a long time, so he might be willing to move, certainly I would see no issue with him being interested in the project at Liverpool. The only issue is convincing him to leave his beloved Ajax.}
What exactly is his role at Ajax? I thought he had no official capacity there after leaving the board?
Red Ollie
His role is My Way or HighWay.
LiverBird
Would he take Downings place? Isn't he a bit old now?
Cruyff quit his position on the Ajax advisory board yesterday. The official statement on the club's website says he is available for a different role, but it does make me wonder if this would help our chances!
Ryan 'O
Cruyf wud be a huge asset for our club. we could attract some of the best potential in the world like eriksen, munian...
Indian Buzzer
13 Apr 2012 01:12:45
With Comolli leaving I feel makes no difference what so ever, the fact still remains no champion league football no high profile signings! I will eat my hat if soldado or muinian move to anfield in the summer. I still think Liverpool need to concentrate on realistic targets ie Dempsey, Nathan dyer, joe Allen even Scott Sinclair young and pacey! We can the teach them the Liverpool way but we need naturally fast players our team lacks it badly!
Enjoy your hat with some marmite. Forget about big signings. It will be "tried and tested ones" this time around, no more 'unknown variables'.
Do you even own a hat?
ash240970
By looking for the weaker players your only making sure we never play CL football again so Kop yourself on .
13 Apr 2012 01:11:35
Eds is the semi final on sky?
Cheers
Neilp {Ed001's Note - ESPN.}
13 Apr 2012 01:07:59
Macca's post has me intrigued.
Tune in next time for the conclusion..
On a serious note.. I wonder what he meant by it?
Comolli was acting the maggot behind the scenes?
Someone else acting the maggot?
Wonder if it's just what ED001 said,Dalglish wanted Cruyff?
13 Apr 2012 01:01:07
"Dalglish has the board's full support."
I am always wary of such comments.
It often precludes a sacking. With the usual - 'leaves by mutual consent.'
FSG are hard headed professionals. The sentimental postings on this site, is really not their style.
They are ruthless winners and will deem what is necessary to be done. ALL players and staff had better watch out. Previous reputations will mean nothing.
The way it should be. The fans' and old boys' should be sentimental; owner's should be hard-headed and make the difficult decisions - for the good of the club.
13 Apr 2012 00:59:08
Get in Fenway lets cut the reminicising olb boys golf network backslappers.And Mean Business.Ruthless professionalism required to bridge widening divide.
13 Apr 2012 00:55:36
Theres 4-6 regulars who spout on here all knowing(im not saying their names,egotistical know alls as it is)Clue is-always moan re.unamed posters.Well youse were all wrong being satisfied and excusing this season.Should keep your heads down and mouths shut calling everyone unamed or named that posts not seeking recognition that recognised rightly this demise needed arresting.Thank God Fenway have more sense too.Queue the excuses and insults,bring it on.You all were wrong endve and Know very little.Mind due mostve you hardly go.Must be why you like seeing your little"nicknames"on here
I agree with what you're saying and all, but you should have solidified your point by leaving a name yourself! Just a word to the wise...
Mr controversy
Are you pi**ed?
MR EM
Struggled with that one. Sounded stoned!.
No criticisms, just difficult to follow, due to poor spelling/grammar use.
13 apr 2012 00:53:40
lfc are rebuilding. kenny must stay
13 Apr 2012 00:44:26
AAAAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh blisssssss finally we have the first day we are not lining up to buy any players.... No "are we going to sign this player ED?" or "my brothers best sisters friends uncle who cuts someones dogs toenails said that we are in for...".
But now its going to be nonsense dribble about who is going to replace DC. WHO CARES we got an FA CUP SEMI FINAL game on....lets get some support on these pages
COME ON YOU REDS.......
You'll Neeeeever Walk Alone
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmbeeeeeley Wembelllleeeey
We love you Suarez we do We love you Suarez we do
On the fields of Anfield Road were we once .....
Can you tell I excited :)
No more coffee for me :)
Speedy
13 Apr 2012 00:38:02
bit peeved off that the semi is not live on telly on saturday. unless you have ESPN. what a load of crap.
The pub
Runaway Bay soccer club have it if you live in the Gold Coast... :)
Speedy
Google chrome live sport app, never miss a game again :)
Red4Ever
13 Apr 2012 00:34:30
Hmm, are FSG looking to get the off the pitch team right? Perhaps its Dalglish staying as manager with Dein taking over from Ayres, and Cruyff from Commolli? Match that with the same quality on the pitch and we really could be on the up
Jarakeda
13 Apr 2012 00:26:06
Hey Eds, do you think you could give me a birthday shout ;) lol
Ghandi Floss {Ed001's Note - of course mate, what shout would you like? I do a very nice 'arrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh' or for fffffffffflip's sake (that one usually when I am in the middle of reading some idiot spouting about moneyball not working out for us and my daughter walking in the room and having to curb my swearing).}
Much appreciated ed lol
Ghandi Floss
See your point with moneyball ed1
Surely I only works in American sports wheir Statistics and averages rule. Like RPI in baseball and wheir Each play only lasts a couples of seconds to achieve this
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - It is very specifically for baseball and nothing else.}
Sabermetrics as been used in cricket
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - Not in anger. There was an Indian guy who blogged about it at one time. It is hopeless trying to explain about Sabermetrics anymore.}
I bow to your superior knowledge on the subject. Due to the amount of time you must of spent talking about the subject!!
Lyndon
13 Apr 2012 00:18:28
Only one person I'd like to see in the director's role and that's Rafael Benitez. Signed Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Skrtel, Torres, Crouch, Mascherano, Benayoun, Lucas, Reina - that's a great record. Unafraid to get rid of the dross quickly and decisively as well. Would be a great appointment imo
Red Ollie
Although I don't actually know what a director of football does and a big name like Cruyff would be a great appointment
Red Ollie
Red Ollie, you didnt mention the crap players Rafa signed!?!
Stan
And the high number of dross he left behind. FSG aren't that stupid to re-employ a man responsible for all that.
13 Apr 2012 00:15:51
Do we need a director of football? What do they do anyway?
By the sounds of it, entertain, and have expensive lunches and dinners, and then pay over-the top prices.
13 Apr 2012 00:14:59
Why was he Sacked......million dollar question?? {Ed001's Note - because he failed to do his job. Just like the others that went.}
13 Apr 2012 00:14:39
hey edds am i right in asuming the reason why he has gone now is because they want the new man to give the thumbs up on incomming transfers for next season?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - it does seem to be very much the case that it was felt we wouldn't have time to get our plans in place for next season if changes didn't occur now.}
13 Apr 2012 00:09:33
If you look at the Mathis, they haven't spent a great deal you muppet.
Nothing's wrong with cost cutting and getting players on the cheap if you want mid table mediocracy Neilp.
If the owners want to turn their investment into a business of similar worth to Utd, then they need to realise that a squad competing in the champions league regularly performing in front of a 60,000-70,000 crowd is the only way of getting there.
Ozone
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Ozone mate, What r u on about. In the current financial world where there is huge economic crisis where some countries themselves are on the verge of bankruptcy, u want to spend millions on just player wages just for the greed of club success. There are lot of people in this world who r dying because of starvation and u want these greedy footballers to earn more than they need. In what way all these Man City players deserve to earn the money they are getting. This is total wrong in humanity perspective. We as a club should be role model for others not destroy world.
Even if u take out the sentimental things here LFC as a club or the owners are simply not in a position to spend money u r mentioning. And your comparison to ManU is simply idiotic. What is their debt again and for that reason they are selling players at profit to buy players at cheap to recover and its their strong team spirit that is making them tick and credit to management even i hate to admit it.
Talking about "mid table mediocrity", I would much rather be happy seeing LFC there than to see LFC completely off the map after 10 years. Trust me, That is what will happen if we go according to your "grand strategy".
I am not American but instead of calling them cheap or something else why don't u blame the corrupted FA and selfish PL to introduce salary cap in football to maintain the equality in league. This way we can negate this shambolic player power.
I mean mate u r telling them to spend money as if there is unlimited supply (I wish). Would u spend your own hard earned money that lavishly. U might have question that what we need to do to compete against other teams like Man City and Chelsea. Well they came into the picture when they got rich owners and paid silly transfer fees and diabolical wages to players and gained an unfair advantage against other teams which is completely wrong. Look teams New castle and also Everton were good and they built themselves so long to be where they are and all of a sudden some of them just disappeared because of these money clubs. The total wrong is feeding these greedy players with fat cash. This needs to be stopped and i don't want my club or any other to do same things. SALARY CAP is the answer and that is not "CHEAP".
Forgot to sign the post OOPS
AJ
The problem i see with a wage cap is that the top quality players from abroad would then rather stay there than come to our country, and this in turn would be bad for the development of our own teams as well as our whole league in general.
Red4Ever
13 Apr 2012 00:01:23
Ed when did Torres and Gerrard have a falling out? Because they seemed like they were good friends when he played for us!
Josh {Ed001's Note - they fell out a few times. They just had very differing ways of life, Gerrard likes the nightlife and WAGS, Torres wants to be at home with the family. They were always going to clash, it doesn't mean they don't respect each other or hold any animosity towards each other long term.}
12 Apr 2012 23:56:07
Judging from Macca's latest post I believe we are soon going to wave goodbye to Mr Dalglish (for the manager role at least).
It may be as early as saturday if we don't get to the final.
How do you come to this conclusion after Macca's last post?
MR EM
12 Apr 2012 23:55:51
Ed's theres something not fitting together in all this action today.Firstly Comolli says its for family reasons he has left the club,then Tom Werner comes out and says Comolli wasnt the right person to implement their strategy i.e. they didnt feel he was good enough to do the job.Now Macca has shared this piece of info (that as always we are greatfull for) and throws up more suspicions.Its a strange time to make so many changes coming up to a big big game for us and maybe im wrong but i get the feeling theres more to this than we are hearing/seeing. Any hope you might reveal your info Macca? Do you know anything more on the situation Ed's?? YNWA {Ed001's Note - he was pushed out the door, he failed in his remit and was removed for doing so.}
Cheers ed.One other question,I was just wondering why Peter Brukner got his marching orders? To be honest I know very little about him other than he was brought in and was supposed to have overhauled the medical/sports science side of things.Darren Burgees came in at the same time and is highly reguarded in his field. {Ed002's Note - My understanding is that he was to leave at the end of the season. Perhaps family reasons.}
Family reasons indeed :) cheers.YNWA
Charles Manson had 'family reasons' too