Liverpool Banter Archive September 12 2017

12 Sep 2017 21:08:03
Have we become the new Ozzie Ardiles' Tottenham?
I remember they were amazing going forward but just couldn't defend to save their lives.
They had 5 attackers and 5 defenders and nothing in between.
It was crazy and they were a bit of a joke to the opposition.
Have we gone/ are we going down the same road I wonder?

12 Sep 2017 21:22:47
We had the 6th best defence in the PL last season and kept 7 clean sheets in our last 11 games in the PL. Not sure Ozzie's Spurs got anywhere close to that.

12 Sep 2017 21:54:17
Only asking for opinions lol, I'm certainly not stating facts.

12 Sep 2017 22:00:05
But I would love us to emulate the current Spurs. 86 goals scored and only 26 conceded last season! Full marks.

12 Sep 2017 22:02:02
We're not that different in our approach. Maybe closer to Keegan's Newcastle?

13 Sep 2017 00:04:14
I feel more like we are the new Arsenal, we play some great football but we are also totally spineless and can collapse at any time.

13 Sep 2017 02:16:38
Spurs have a deadly top top striker. Which is something we don't have. Fair enough, the wingers get a few our false nine gets a few and the midfield chip in also. I think sturridge should be given another chance, if he breaks after kicking the ball then I think fans will start to lose faith in him. I think he is serious high class, very clever player, I don't see how he doesn't fit our system. He just needs to run more and work constantly.

I think a deadly goal scorer would take us to the next level. We are a better team than spurs. All day
We always beat them. But harry kane is fantashshic! Lol (sorry that was below the belt) Ali well over rated. I do not see what all the hype is about. I don't watch spurs much I admit, always watch motd though, I've never seen him di anything except tap ins and one decent long shot, not that special imo, could be wrong.

12 Sep 2017 20:06:55
A Spanish Reporter over here for tomorrows match and he also watched the City Game, asked Jurgen after the match in his Post Match Conference would Coutinho play on WEDNESDAY.

Jurgens Reply was what i found VERY ALARMING he said to the Spanish Reporter that have you got the Day Right and in fact asked the Liverpool Press Secetary who sits alongside him at post match interviews its TUESDAY isn't it and the Liverpool Press Secretary replied no he is right its WEDNESDAY to which Jurgen Laughed and said in that case then we get an extra days rest.

Surely he must look ahead and know when the next fixtures are for rest, training sessions ETC i am very concerned about his reply as it indicates to me that the pressure is starting to get to him and may be the reason for some strange team selections so far.

P. S. If he buys a " NET " and starts chasing Butterflies at Melwood the men in the white coats may take him away. WORRIED.

12 Sep 2017 20:17:53
Are you alarmed mate or worried? Can't work it out. Let us know. Cheers.

12 Sep 2017 20:27:48
He temporarily forgot the day = pressure is getting to him = the reason why we've seen such strange substations recently

Some big leaps there mate.

12 Sep 2017 20:41:31
Your not worried that the Manager of LFC doesn't know what day of the week we play our next fixture, to me it sounds like he is losing his marbles.

12 Sep 2017 20:47:18
SGRed, What has " substations " got to do with it, are you advising Jurgen!

12 Sep 2017 20:58:15
It's quite likely to be German humour Mr. Bond.
I lived there many years ago, they're not really known for being a barrel of laughs.
I have found their Eurovision song contest contestants over the years to be hilarious though :)
And then there was Sean Dundee - wow!

12 Sep 2017 21:00:06
Didn't understand one post in that tread,

12 Sep 2017 21:07:46
2 weeks ago we smashes arsenal 4.0. We have just lost one game. If pressure from one loss causes him to lose days then he shouldn't be a football manager.

12 Sep 2017 21:25:02
Mr Bond, I haven't the slightest idea what you are on about, really?

12 Sep 2017 21:51:36
Hi TOMBOLA ( Another name for Bingo! ) Me first name is BROOKE, and i have you down to a " TEA "?

12 Sep 2017 22:03:29
Are you trying to say that he took off Salah and Firmino with Tuesday in mind?

Hope they both enjoyed the training today lol.

12 Sep 2017 22:44:18
He was probably being sarcastic because Barcelona played tonight and all the Spanish media were adamant coutinho was signing for Barcelona.

12 Sep 2017 23:32:38
I think he was a bit annoyed that we had to play at lunch time on Saturday after the international break so thought it must be because we're playing on Tuesday in the CL to give us extra rest for that. Sorry Jurgen the EPL doesn't work that way mate. If Sly say you're playing then you're playing as and when they tell you to. I think he was being a bit sarcastic.

12 Sep 2017 23:54:37
Jurgen's low on vit. B3.

13 Sep 2017 00:10:39
I'm WORRIED and ALARMED by THIS thread AS it SEEMS to BE a RATHER pointless KLOPP bashing EXERCISE based ON nothing!

13 Sep 2017 02:25:56
Nice one smegger. We have one of the best managers in the world. He plays the media acting like the tourist but I bet he can be a hard person. I love our style and I think we will win the league with him. I don't think he will give up. Next year with keita and hopefully a decent cb, I reckon saints will bite the bullet as he clearly don't want to be there. If we could land someone like aguero or sanchez and mat hummels I think that would be us set. 3 players away from a completely dominant team. Despite last game I still think we will dominate nearly every game this season and I still think we can win the league

No need to get a keeper as I think karius will have cemented his place and I think he will become one of the leagues best gks. If you watch him in training he is absolutely awesome.

13 Sep 2017 09:35:02
How is Tombola another name for Bingo?

13 Sep 2017 09:41:46
Mr Bond, I still don't understand any of your posts. Trust me, it's not me. It's you.

12 Sep 2017 19:47:10
This is for Ed25:

Ed25, this is regarding the post I put in below:

Ed25, Koeman played a defensive setup at Saints with Wanyama and Morgan in front of the defence, which made Lovren look good as he was well-protected. We don't play that way here hence, why he looks shaky at times.

Now Klopp used a DM in Kehl and then Bender or both in his early days in BVB. He then shifted to a DLP in Sahin when they won the league in 2011. At LFC, he does not use a true DM cos per ED01, he wants his midfield 3 to offer energy, press hard and defend as a group as soon as the ball is lost. This is the way we play the press cos if we press and the gaps are not filled in behind it, the press is useless and we become vulnerable. That is the way it is. If you want to argue about that, no issues there.

The CDM issue is just a pathetic misnomer and a false argument that brings nothing useful to the table. If you think a CDM would have helped us vs City when we were one man down then you are either naive or dishonest as we did not need a CDM to pummel all the top teams that Klopp has relentlessly pummeled since he arrived so why is it now suddenly an issue?

You may have thought that I called you dishonest or naive. That is and was not the case. The "you" in there does not refer to you personally, in any way. It is just used to refer to "whoever" had the notion that a CDM would have helped us at City playing a man down which IMO, would not have helped. Again, it was not a personal attack at you, particularly. If it cam across as an insult then, I am sorry. That was not my intention nor did it even cross my mind.

{Ed025's Note - fair enough bingo but it did come across that way and thats why i took umbrage, the ED,s put in a lot of time and effort to make sure posts get aired mate and we do it for free, i am many things but dishonest is not one of them but as far as lm concerned the matter is now closed and we move on..

12 Sep 2017 20:22:11
A CDM will definitely help against the crap CB's yiubhave got. Well a good CDM would have marked out KDB which our 3 CM's failed to do so as he started picking players like paint balls on the field.
Why does 95% managers plays with one or the other CDM / DLP? Are they all dumb and Klopp the only genius out there?

A CDM on Sunday would have made sure KDB did not get any space! That alone would have saved 3 out of the 4 goals!

12 Sep 2017 20:29:44
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Napoli. 4 different teams with 4 different playing styles and all of them plays with a proper DM / holding midfielder.

{Ed001's Note - Napoli don't and Chelsea don't any more without Matic.}

12 Sep 2017 20:37:18
When Kevin De Bruyne was picking out the spots left exposed due to Klopp going with a back three?

You make me laugh Harry, always a good shout when you post about us needing a defensive midfielder and the fact that you say it will make our current CB's perform better.

Ha ha. Let me go get my adult diapers too.

12 Sep 2017 20:39:05
4 goals? I wonder if one of these amazing CDM's could teach you to count, Harry? 😉.

12 Sep 2017 20:42:15
Chelsea has Kante who is equavalent to a DM ( Positionally sound Midfielder ) while they have also signed Drinkwater who is a DM. Napoli plays with Jorginho who is an holding mid.

The point is not what they are called ( DM, CM, DLP ) The point is how good they are positionally in the art to stop an attack and break a play.

On similar. Barcelona scored one and with Pjanic not tacking back Messi and boom! Typical example of how we concede!

12 Sep 2017 20:44:15
Just like most of the opposition manager deploy a CDM to mark out Coutinho.

12 Sep 2017 21:34:50
No problem, Ed25. I'm over it.

Harry outside of the posts you have made on this thread that I cannot make head nor tail of, what is this thing with you when you address Klopp and our players as "your players", your CB's" or "your manager"? What the heck is that all about? Are these not your players and manager as well? I know I have asked you this b4 and you did not answer so I will ask again, are you an LFC fan cos you sound like the Utd, Arsenal fans or Ed25 who come on this thread to trade banter with us?

12 Sep 2017 22:03:02
You could consider me as a Football fan bingo! No problem mate. Unfortunately I don't post on other pages so that rules out other clubs mate.

12 Sep 2017 23:50:23
Still doesn't rule you out as a supporter for another club Harry. You say you don’t post on other clubs sites but how do we know? You've had so many different names you could be anybody on any site haha.

13 Sep 2017 01:58:30
"A CDM will definitely help against the crap CB's yiubhave got".

Looks like Harry just disowned the entire CB lineup at LFC. Don't worry buddy, everyone knows they are piss poor defenders but we got to stick with them for now until we sign not one but two competent CBs (and that might take a while) .

13 Sep 2017 03:33:55
City game was the kind of game we could have done with lucas lieva. He was class against city last year.

13 Sep 2017 09:44:23
Superred, Lucas did not play either game vs City last season BUT I get what you are saying overall.

12 Sep 2017 19:07:27
Hi Eds
Thanks for all the hard work over the transfer window.
I didn't hear anything after the talk he might go to Turkey, did Markovic get a move anywhere in the end?
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - no mate.}

12 Sep 2017 18:48:49
Ed001 I see that Michael Beale has returned to the club. Do you think he could move up the ladder or is under age where his niche is?

{Ed001's Note - he would be a good coach at any age group mate, personally though, I think the best coaches should be coaching at the lower age groups. That is when they can have the most impact on improving players. I think we have it wrong promoting the better ones to the higher age groups.}

12 Sep 2017 19:16:22
Hmmm. Should the best coaches experience all ages then, and go back to their personal best fit? Iits a funny old game 🤔😊.

{Ed001's Note - yes that would be the ideal really.}

12 Sep 2017 17:49:17
Hi ed what do you think of Woodburn being included in the u19 euro squad. Don't you think he's outgrown youth football.

{Ed001's Note - good experience for the lad if you ask me.}

12 Sep 2017 17:57:06
Agree with ed001, seriously he is not even top 10 u-19 players, experiences like these will help him improve.

12 Sep 2017 17:59:17
Woodburn is still only 17. No point in hyping him up when he still has to develop and needs to be given the chance to develop.

If he is going to be thrown in the deep end he will drown like many other of the other young talents who have come and gone at Liverpool.

12 Sep 2017 18:22:07
Woodie should stay exactly where he has been put for now as he will benefit playing vs other talented young players from the clubs in our CL group. BTW, Seville are known to have a sick academy, full of talented youngsters.

12 Sep 2017 21:22:40
I think he needs to get used to playing in big games with big audiences. They can all play, it's the ones who can do it in front of 50.000 people and millions on camera. But it's the crowd that gets em. Look at wijnaldum, he is brilliant in front of 45.000 adoring fans but goes missing in front of 45.000 hostile fans. It must be quite weird, playing football in front of loads of people who hate you coz of your shirt. Right in front of people screaming at you. Thing is, we have some fantastic talent in his position. Who would you drop? Mane? Firmino? If we played 442, I'd play pc on the forward tip of the diamond and woodburn and sturridge. I just think those two are so full of skill. And I think they would be well dangerous with mane and salah on the wings.

12 Sep 2017 16:39:03
Heading down to the game tomorrow, I usually get the train however I'm driving this time round. Anyone able to recommend any places to park?

12 Sep 2017 17:39:13
Lucky man! Sing your heart out for us!

12 Sep 2017 18:37:25
From the 1st to the last minute give it loads my lucky friend.

12 Sep 2017 18:47:57
There a school really close to the ground that charge to park in it. Can't remember what it's called though sorry.
Am guessing anfileld school😂.

12 Sep 2017 18:52:42
Also you can park at goodison if you really want to😩.

12 Sep 2017 20:01:11
Some lad bis flying out to seville to watch the game, booked hotel and everything. Post is up the top.

Someone should tell him it's in Merseyside.

12 Sep 2017 16:30:34
I don't think the city result was a once off, don't be shocked if we lose tomorrow night as Well. The red card was just one of the problems. Klopp made multiple errors against City and which previously he would immediately put up his hands and say it was his fault. This time he took no fault which is scary that he can't see what was obviously wrong.

12 Sep 2017 17:13:58
Until Mane was sent off, even with City being 1-0 up it did not look like City were going anywhere in the match.

Let's just put it this way, if the tables were turned and one of Jesus or Aguero were sent of then Guardiola would have been sitting in the same situation trying to keep LFC from making mince out of City.

Klopp made a mistake by moving can from midfield and switching to a back three, that is for sure. There could have been damage limitation but a win for us 10 vs 11 away to Citywas going to be unlikely. 11 vs 11 and we could very well have throttled City. There defence was an absolute shambles first half.

{Ed025's Note - you do make some extreme comments max, like throttling city and their defence being an absolute shambles....we were doing quite well against a mediocre city defence sound a lot better mate if you dont mind me saying..

12 Sep 2017 17:40:37
Well said ed025.

13 Sep 2017 00:10:14
In all fairness to Klopp, before he changed to a back 3 I was screaming at my screen he should do so. How many through balls went directly through the center of Matip and Klavan So sticking extra in that gap is what was needed.

Although, I was hoping he would bring on Lovren (weirdly) and not just stick Can there. He is not a CB just like he isn’t really a DM. Would have taken Gini off (although I didn’t even realize he was on, until he came off) for Lovren and left Can in the midfield.

12 Sep 2017 16:03:49
Well now I know for sure that I made the correct decision about 30 years ago when my brother tried to persuade me to support Man United. Luke Skywalker himself has come out as an LFC fan apparently.
Who am I to argue with a Jedi, or a ex Jedi as the case may now be after his next appearance :)

12 Sep 2017 17:03:00
Is he not a Wolverhampton fan?

12 Sep 2017 17:29:23
Nope, He said he misunderstood a question in relation to Wolves.
He thought it was about something else. So he confirmed he'd have a place in his heart for the Liverpool team as the Beatles are from there.
Shhh, don't tell him about the neighbours across the park :)

12 Sep 2017 15:48:55
Mane's appeal was unsuccessful.

12 Sep 2017 16:34:15
Im not surprised. Tho im surprised they didn't stick another game on for being di#ks.

12 Sep 2017 18:36:37
They really didn't appeal as they appealed the length of the ban (which is useless as it is standard procedure for straight red cards) and not the card itself, which would have been unsuccessful and another game would have been tacked on to the 3. In the end, it was a waste of time.

12 Sep 2017 13:33:05
Question for Ed001, read that we are going to appeal to reduce the ban on mane. My question is, seeing that there were similar challenges made in two other games, where in one a yellow card was shown and in the other one no card was given, would that help us in getting the ban reduced?
Would the club point to the other two incidences to support their claims of a reduced ban?
Thank You.

{Ed001's Note - no idea whether it will help or not but they will certainly be looking towards them yes.}

12 Sep 2017 14:15:17
Is there a danger the ban might actually increase if we lose the appeal?

{Ed001's Note - yes if the FA deem it a frivolous appeal.}

12 Sep 2017 14:24:31
Hi Ed001,i read the appeal goes through today, do you know roughly what time we can expect a decision, have a bad feeling may get extra game, I personally feel it was 50/ 50 but think it is a ridiculous decision to appeal it, should have just moved on.

{Ed001's Note - no sorry no idea.}

12 Sep 2017 14:41:49
Isn't the fourth game utd?

I think it is worth pursuing though. There was zero malice, mane went for the ball and looked genuinely distraught at ederson's injury. I know I'm contradicting myself but I think it was a red card but because of the circumstances a three match ban seems harsh.

Do the club use solicitors to launch the appeal? Or is it handled by the management? If it is solicitors, then they must see an angle.

It does worry me though that we could be without our top scorer against our biggest rival, who are looking good but definitely beatable. But I think the appeal has legs.

12 Sep 2017 14:46:45
no its Newcastle superred man u is after that.

12 Sep 2017 15:49:37
So he could miss Man Utd game if the appeal went tits up? Seems risky to me.

12 Sep 2017 20:04:33
Oh cheers Childwall red. For ou know when utd game is dude?

12 Sep 2017 20:23:40
Why didn't klopp spend more time and effort appealing to the board to get central defenders in rather trying to over turn a certain ban. it was dangerous.

12 Sep 2017 11:34:45
The goalkeeper debate had been raging long before Saturday’s game but any game where five goals are conceded will always bring questions. On Saturday Migs faced 10 shots on target and conceded half of them. Aguero’s goal and Jesus’ second where both the result of the strikers getting through on goal, in these situations the only way a goal will be denied is if the attacker makes a mistake, neither did and Migs is entirely blameless. Sane’s second goal was a looping shot from outside of the box close to the top corner of the goal, again no blame can be afforded to the keeper.

Jesus’ first goal was a free header from the edge of the six yard box. The ball played in was a whipped right foot inswinging cross from the left, never was the flight of the cross within six yards of the goal. Whilst it is theoretically possible that Migs could have reached the ball if he had instantly moved to Jesus’ position that ignores the requirement to judge the flight of the ball before doing so. There is no realistic way that Migs could have made that judgement then moved the six yards to challenge before it had reached Jesus. If had tried we would currently be criticising Migs for making a bad decision to come off his line. Should Migs have saved the shot? It was a free bullet header from six yards, whilst it wasn’t completely out of his reach it was far enough away and headed with enough power that it is unrealistic to expect Migs to save it.

Sane’s first goal was from an angle, through on goal and scored at the near post, it was an excellent finish. There is an argument that Migs could have covered the near post better and if he had it is likely he would have saved it. The mitigation for Migs is that City’s interplay was so quick and the finish so assured that it gave Migs no time to react. Whilst this goal could have been saved my assessment is that the attacking play gets the credit rather than Migs the criticism. There was not one goal conceded on Saturday which we should have expected Migs to save, criticism of him, in this case, is unjustified.

Having said all that we all know that Migs is at a standard below the top tier of goalkeepers. I agree with Ed1’s assessment that he doesn’t inspire confidence in his backline, should he be dropped due to his general deficiencies rather than the City game? What I don’t agree with Ed1 about is that Karius should be brought in as a better option. We can make all the excuses about media pressure we want but last season Karius was dropped after a run of 10 games because he was making costly mistakes, even if the criticism was unfair the fact that the pressure was too much is a bad sign, there isn’t a position that faces more pressure than the goalkeeper, if Karius can’t handle it is unlikely he will become a top class keeper. Even in his game this season all the talk afterwards was about his mistakes on the ball, Migs may not inspire confidence in his defenders, but Karius doesn’t either. When we brought Karius in I questioned Ed2 about how we got a prospect so cheaply, Ed2 said there was no particular reason. In seems we payed market value and Karius was a very cheap keeper. I have no confidence that he is a better option than Migs.

That leaves Ward who many are calling to be given a chance. I will admit that I haven’t really watched him and I can make no evidence based assessment of his abilities. What I can say is that I believe the ‘how can we know how good he is if he doesn’t play’ argument is a logical fallacy. We may not know how good he is but the person who picks the teams does. The fact that Ward is third choice behind both Migs and Karius does not bode well, I believe that if he was a better keeper Klopp would give him games, the only logical conclusion is that he isn’t playing because he’s not as good as the others.

So where do we go from here? Migs is the best of a bad bunch and, as long as he’s not making mistakes and costing up points, he keeps the shirt. I do not believe our next first choice keeper is at the club. Our transfer priority, maybe just after a new CB, should be a goalkeeper. Frankly we need to identify the best goalkeeper in the world, not currently at a tier one club, and pay whatever’s needed to bring them in, if not in January then definitely next summer.

{Ed001's Note - hang on, you are making up crap. I have never once said Karius is a better option, I have simply said he might be but we don't know. Until he gets a proper run, we simply do not know. Ward was much better, albeit in the Championship, than Migs has been at any point in his career, except for the couple of weeks at the end of the season when he played out of his skin.

The only thing we know is that Migs is a disaster waiting to happen. We have years of evidence to know that he is not the answer. So why stick with him? He has to go or we can forget ever winning the league. Anyone who thinks he is the best we have is guessing, especially someone who admits they haven't even seen one of the other options play and is judging another on his cost! Idiocy at its finest to judge a player on his price tag only. We got him cheap because of who he plays for, it was that simple.

While we are about it, how can you absolve a keeper completely of blame while admitting he could have done better? What about how we are so damn crap at set pieces and it is his job to organise the defence? Why is he only judged on whether or not he makes saves? His game should be more than that. I really do not want to just jump on Migs, but you can't just absolve him for failure because you are ignorant about the alternatives and too cowardly to take a chance that they might be better!}

12 Sep 2017 12:17:24
Putney, you are talking absolute BS. Your post shows that you want to have it all 30 different ways. You cannot on one hand Migs had no chance on all the goals (which is false as he is at fault for their 2nd, 4th and potentially 5th goals), absorbing him of all blame while at the same time say, he is crap. Both of those things CANNOT be true at the same time.

And don't try to rewrite history here regarding Karius. Karius made two mistakes that led to goals in 10 games. TWO so your idea that he made several mistakes is patently false and YES, he was hounded out of the team due to our own supporters getting on his back and taking sides with a pathetic manc named Neville. That is what happened. And in those 10 games, we only conceded 7 goals (4 in one game, mind you) . Not saying Karius is great or anything BUT like Ed, we don't know if he or Ward is the right option as neither has had a firm run in the team. If you think ten games is enough to judge any player then thank heavens you don't coach LFC cos there will be no players left after binning them after ten games. Pep knew Hart was crap and binned him, ASAP. He brought in Bravo, gave him a full season, he was crap and he has Ederson now. Do you see anyone giving Pep grief over what he did? No and you won't cos that is how coaching is done. You act on what you know for sure and gather information on what you don't know.

Let us focus on what we know. Migs is crap, end of story. Karius is better than Migs in terms of his ability to play the sweeper keeper, quicker off his line and has better distribution (three bad kicks vs Arsenal prove nothing) . He just needs more experience in the PL. Same with Ward, who is also potentially better than Migs as well. So now that we know that Migs is crap, why should we keep playing him whereas we have two young and talented GK's we can coach up and work on and give a full run of games to so we can see if either one is the solution or if we should go get another one?

If you are okay with the devil you know (Migs) instead of the angel you don't know (Karius or Ward), that is your problem. We all don't have to go down such a cowardly path and Klopp is already letting Migs know that his place is under peril and in the end, Karius will be back in goal and you and I will have to get over it.

12 Sep 2017 12:19:20
For both goals their strikers went through, Mignolet bombed off his line and threw himself to the floor. Aguero easily side stepped him and Jesus just lifted it over him because he went down so early. I agree he Isn't expected to save these, but a good keeper would probably stop one. Ederson stopped Salah in a one on one and then Mane. Mignolet just made it easy for them.

For City's second, Mignolet had sent the whole team into a panic because 4 minutes earlier he had again flown off his line for a cross, missed it completely and gifted Jesus an open goal. Fortunately, that was struck off correctly for offside. The fact remains though that he filled City with confidence and Liverpool with fear. So a few minutes later they put a ball into the exact same area, knowing Jesus was full of confidence, knowing Mignolet was too scared to come out again, and knowing our defence was panicking due to having a useless keeper behind them. The header was good and he had no chance with it in my opinion, but he created that 10 minute panic by being a tool in the first place.

City's 4th was an absolutely shocking goal to concede. It was at his front post and i don't care how well struck it is, decent keepers don't concede at their front post; at least not as regularly as Mignolet does. That is 2 this season already.

City's 5th was incredibly well struck and another you don't say he has to save. But again, top keepers pull off unexpected saves. De Gea, Lloris, Cech, Courtois etc would've at least got fingers on it, if not stopped it. Mignolet didn't even get near it though and he never does.

I'm not blaming Mignolet for the defeat. The whole team was useless from the red card onwards. However, Mignolet yet again has made a handful of saves he should be making, caused panic in the defence, made it far to easy for the opposition, and not helped us out at all.

He's bang average mate. This is a guy who has previously been dropped for Brad Jones and Bogdan. He will never be good enough and he needs to be removed from the side ASAP. He brings nothing to us that any keeper in the top 2 tiers of English football wouldn't bring.

I have seen Ward play, and regardless of what Klopp thinks, he is better than Mignolet. Klopp isn't an all seeing all knowing god. He gets things wrong and sticking with Mignolet is a massive error in judgement.

12 Sep 2017 12:53:24
Excellent description of the goals, MK. In fact on the first one, Migs could have not flown off his line BUT goaded Aguero to actually shoot by staying on his line, delay him, narrow the angle as he was already going wide, and then go after him. However, I'm splitting hairs here. All in all, I agree that a red card should not prevent us from performing the basics of defending, which we did not do for at least the first 3 goals and that is the concern. As for Migs, he is crap. FACT. Knowing that fact, Klopp is prolly acting on it by putting Karius into the CL and hopefully, he can make the shirt his own.

12 Sep 2017 12:55:06
I knew this was going to be unpopular. Ed1 the crux of our disagreement is whether we should try Karius because we already know Migs is bad. My view is we don't do it because we have to do as best as we can now if we want to win the league this year. Migs isn't great but if he's better than Karius then he should play.

Bingo, I reject your premise that Migs was at fault (note that is not the same as saying he couldn't do any better) for any of the goals on Saturday, I think it's nonsense. I also believe your assessment of Karius and Ward is based on a desire for them to be better than rather than any evidence that this is the case.

MK, I think your explanation for the second goal being Migs' fault is too convoluted to be taken seriously and like Bingo, I think you're bias is showing if you think a different keeper would have done better for the first, third and fifth. What I don't disagree with is that a better Keeper is needed, I just don't expect Karius or Ward to be that keeper.

{Ed001's Note - if the staff thought he was better than Karius, then Karius would not have been bought.}

12 Sep 2017 13:07:52
I think people are calling for ward simply because he is a different option from mignolet or karius and not on merit. I think the lad deserves a chance but I wouldn't want us to hang all our hopes on the Wales no.2.

Karius is meant to be our no1 and I really hope we give up this constant keeper rotation and give him the rest of the season. If he is no good then sell both migs and karius and try something new. Mk is right (again) you cznt judge on a handful of games.

12 Sep 2017 13:09:35
You both keep says Migs is crap yet your manager keeps picking him time and time again and then you are against those who points finger at the manager. You can't have it both ways! Either you concede Klopp is wrong picking Migs or Migs is actually a good keeper and you are wrong!

{Ed001's Note - I have no problem picking fault with Klopp when he is wrong. I have said from the start that he was wrong to bring back Migs, it was a terrible decision.}

12 Sep 2017 13:11:31
Ed1, To answer a few of your specific points, I apologize for my imprecise language I happily admit that you said you'd bring in Karius not that you think he's better. I'm not saying I think Migs is better than Ward, I'm saying Klopp thinks that and I'm bowing to his assessment in this matter. The anecdote about Karius' price was not what I base my opinion of him on, I base that off of watching him play. However, I disagree with you that the price is not important, £5m is very cheap for a first choice keeper with supposed potential from any bundesliga club, especially if the buyer is from the premier league. Finally my assessment of the goals, my argument wasn't (nor ever has been) that Migs is good enough for us. My argument is that criticism of him for conceding those goals is unwarranted. Criticism of his all round play is a different matter.

{Ed001's Note - ok, I see what you are saying, but Klopp would not have held Ward back if he thought Migs was the better option, he would not have bought Karius in the first place if he believed Migs was the better option. So why would you bow to his judgement if he was wrong to buy Karius and hold back Ward in that case? He has made a mess of this particular situation from the start and it is not going to get better by sticking by a keeper who is letting us down repeatedly, even if the alternative turn out to be no better. Give them a chance to prove one way or the other if they are better.

As for Karius' price, it is truly irrelevant. The price was what it was because he wanted the move and they are a small club who believe that bringing in cheap selling on at a profit if the move is also good for the player allows them to recruit a better calibre of player than they otherwise could. Clearly it does, as they have got to where they are by doing so.}

12 Sep 2017 13:37:49
Ed, I will happily agree that the situation is a mess. The biggest shame is that we haven't had a good enough keeper since Reina started angling for a move, five years is too long not to sort this problem.

{Ed001's Note - the recruitment team have not covered themselves in glory.}

12 Sep 2017 13:58:03
Harry do you even read my thoughts on Klopp? 😂 it was only yesterday i took pelters for saying he bottled it with his substitutions.

I'm not against criticising Klopp anymore. I was reluctant to do so last season because it was his first full season. No excuses now though. He is fully settled, this is his team, and he is still failing to deliver right now. That may change as the season goes on, but he needs to prove to us all why we should be believers, or their will start to be more and more doubters.

For me, Klopp wins a trophy this year or he needs to go. Even if it is the Carabao cup it will show some progress, but you can't be LFC manager for 3 seasons and win nothing. That got Rafa (2006-2009) and Rodgers (2012-2015) the sack. Start winning things or move on to make space for someone who will. If Klopp goes 2015-2018 without winning anything, why is he any different to those guys? Rafa had a Champions league final to Klopps two finals, and Rodgers nearly won the league. Nearly isn't good enough for us with them though. So it shouldn't be different with Klopp because he is passionate and has a likeable clown act, to quote the great Ed002. Hell Kenny actually won our last trophy, and he got canned anyway!

Klopp's persona is wearing thin on me and as much as i believe he will win us something this year, he has to go out and turn a prediction into reality before he can ask for more time. Fun fact; every player in the first team squad except Milner, Ings, Markovic and Bogdan has either been offered a new contract during Klopps reign, or been signed by Klopp. He clearly likes Milner and Ings and Markovic and Bogdan are barely worth considering. His squad. His responsibility.

12 Sep 2017 14:02:18
Now this is the Adam I actually like MK 😎 Or rather I miss on the site. Proper unbiased poster once he was. 😄. I though you too got turned on by bingo 😄.

12 Sep 2017 14:05:34
The fact that 4 years after signing migs we are still discussing his place in the team, is proof that he shouldn't be there.

Karius got 10 game and made a few mistakes and everyone included carra slaughtered the boy to the point klopp had to drop him to protect him.

Ward hasn't been given any games

Mignolet has had over 100. 100 game a and is still dog poo

It doesn't. matter wether karius is better but quite simply we owe him the opportunity to prove it either way. He was a started in the bud3sliga and only moved to us because klopp would of made promises. We are stunting his development. Get him in goal, get migs gone and if all still bad in Jan then get rid and but someone else.

12 Sep 2017 18:42:23
Sack Klopp if he doesn't win something this season? Really? What is the point in that? He has the team playing some exceptional football and got us back into the champion league. Unless there is someone who could do better than that then why bother?
What gives us the right to think we should be winning things? Do we have the best team? Squad? Most resources? No we don't? Is Klopp underachieving with this squad? No.
Spurs have a great manager who has been there longer than Klopp, yet has won nothing. are Spurs fans asking for him to be sacked?
Klopp is making mistakes, is not perfect but he is making progress and exciting us in the process. Your points may be valid at the end of season but they are a bit premature and I feel uneccesary at this point. How about we show him some support until he does stop progressing.

12 Sep 2017 18:47:36
Karius looked like a top keeper he's last season in bundesliga. He had bad luck with his injury and a bad start, but i find it very weird that he still hasn't taken the spot from Migs.

12 Sep 2017 18:49:05
Harry, what does "your manager" actually mean? Is he not your manager as well? We know you don't like Klopp BUT that "your manager" crap was out of order.

As for the GK issue, Klopp has indeed made a mess of the situation by hooking Karius cos he made TWO mistakes (not several as many say on here inaccurately) . He was signed to replace Migs who had and has been crap for 4 years here.

Klopp is prolly trying to fix the issue by using Karius in the CL as a way to phase out Migs. He does not trust Migs which is why Karius and Ward are still here, as Ed01 alluded to. That is good enough for me cos at least we know that he does not rate Migs and never really did. To me, now is the time to get rid of this crap GK and move on to seeing if Karius or Ward are the ons to go with moving forward. At least, we don't have to deal with him anymore.

12 Sep 2017 19:20:43
Putney, this has nothing to do with desire. It has a lot more to do with evidence and a desire to take a look at either of these GK's as they cannot be any worse than Migs, surely.

You ask me if I have evidence to know about Karius' qualities. I refer you the the League Cup semi final tie last season vs the Saints. In that game, we were awful across the board and Nathan Redmond (who scored the winning goal at 1-0) could have had a hatrick in that game. Do you know why he did not and we were still in the tie? Loris Karius.

Karius made 4 very good saves in that game including a point blank shot from Redmond in the 6 yard box. In the return game at Anfield, he kept us in the game while we chased it by coming out to smother a shot point blank by Tadic. He got no credit for his perf. cos well, we lost so who cares right? I cared cos I was actually checking him out to see how he would do.

His talent also showed in preseason vs LC where he came out to deny Vardy 2/ 3 times as the sweeper keeper. This is how I know he can be a good GK for us if he can get a good run of games and figure it out. Watch these games on Youtube and see for yourself.

Again I am not saying either Karius or Ward are the answers. I am just saying that they deserve to be given a full go as they cannot b e any worse than Migs and we know for a fact that Migs is crap so why persevere with crap? That's all I'm saying.

12 Sep 2017 10:39:21
Ed1 ED2 any undiscovered eds and peeps, we've heard talk of world class players, and ED2 has quite rightly stated if there was a one team of the best players would they get in? So I'm saying there's an Alien invasion and akin to space jam, there's a clause that let's us play a game of football to save our universe. And by some lucky chance your/ my ugly mug is manager. Who's playin? For me it's Michael Jordan, Bugs Bunny wait wha it's not basketball?

12 Sep 2017 11:00:01
If we play Ozil, Ribery, Pepe and Tevez then the aliens might think they are on their own planet and leave us alone?

12 Sep 2017 11:12:21
MK don't forget Rooney and Roy Keane.

12 Sep 2017 11:43:49
I don't think "world class" can mean the twenty best players in the world. That is the cream of the cream or the elite. There are more than twenty world class players in the premiership let alone the world.

I think it should be defined as the best players in the best leagues. If coutinio is world class then so is mane. Wc could be defined as the top level of international football imo.

12 Sep 2017 11:40:40
Or john Flanagan.

12 Sep 2017 12:14:37
Mane needs to work on he's decisions and understanding of the game if he is to be labeled World class imho. Great player though with extreme qualities, not ment to be negative towards Mane in any way just my thoughts.

12 Sep 2017 12:19:18
Or jess ie lingard.

12 Sep 2017 12:21:56
Jon Flanagan has a beautiful smile 😊.

12 Sep 2017 13:19:21
Superred,

If hendo and Lallana are world class as you say, then 50% of the premier league players are.

12 Sep 2017 13:22:41
Jessie lingard doesnt.

12 Sep 2017 13:44:11
Ha ha ha! 20 WC players in the PL?

12 Sep 2017 14:37:59
World class is a subjective term, used to describe a completely subjective judgement.

And you all sit their and mock each other regarding who is and isn't? It's childish.

In my opinion, world class means in the top 10 players in the world for your position. Showered may define it as anybody in the top 100. He may have entirely different criteria. He may define it as anybody good enough to win titles. Who knows! What i do know is you can't tell each other as facts who is and isn't world class. I've grown to dislike the term because people who view it differently, rather than ask you to explain your logic, just mock you for thinking differently to them.

Henderson in my opinion is not world class. Nor is Lallana. Nor is Firmino. In fact Mane is pretty touch and go. I can completely accept that people disagree though. It's an opinion.

In my opinion, bench pressing 100kg is difficult! In Ed001's opinion, bench pressing 100kg is easy because if he can carry the weight of this site around his neck all day, 100kg is bugger all! Stop tearing into each other over the definition of a cliché phrase used to quantify a bloody opinion, for god's sake.

12 Sep 2017 16:26:11
I said they were close to world class stand. You are slagging them because you are utd.

You talk about Hendo as if he is an average premiership midfielder but he is in fact the England captain. If you think lallana is average then I can only imagine you are a cricket man rather than football. I would take ads over any attacking mid at utd. I really like Juan mata but I think AL is better.

Did you see him play last season before Xmas? He was immense. He was also probably England's best player in the euros. Not saying much admittedly. I think if both Hendo and lallana could add finishing to their game they would be truly world class. That's my opinion. I do seem to have a different definition of world class to most on here and maybe I'm wrong.

12 Sep 2017 16:41:29
I regret this lol, play nice.

12 Sep 2017 10:57:20
Ed1? ED2? Ed25? Any takers?

{Ed025's Note - i would have stretch armstrong in goal, the beatles as my back 4, curly larry and mo in a 3 man midfield, and a forward line of batman and superman playing either side of arnold schwarzenegger..

12 Sep 2017 18:17:02
Super, I'm not a bias poster. Search my history of post and you'll see I'm very fair all round. Im not blinkered by my own team, and happily admit players from other teams are good. My interpretation of a world class player is probably the top 5 players in each position. A player who all top clubs, like Madrid and Barca, would happily have in their squads. I think Mane is close to that level, I think coutinho is close too, just think he is slightly inconsistent from time to time. From us De Gea is the obvious one, best in the world. Pogba can become world class. That's probably it from our side. But you can't tell me Henderson and Lallana are even close to that level. Sorry but no chance. I also would have Mikhitarian over Lallana all day, who needs 5 touches each time he collects the ball. I can genuinly say I wouldn't take either in or squad. Mane and coutinho of course.

12 Sep 2017 10:12:43
Eds, just to change things up a bit, last season we saw the emergence of the likes of; Mbappe, Mahmoud Dahoud, Asensio, Werner, Lemar, Tielemans, Dolberg to name but a few.

Many of the aforementioned were relatively unheard of this time last year.

Who do you think in your opinion we could see the emergence of across Europe this season?

{Ed002's Note - It is very difficult to make such predictions but someone in the know suggests it is worth keeping an eye out for Josip Brekalo (who nearly ended up at Everton a while back), Atakan Akkaynak (who could well end up in the Premier League next year), Adrien Bongiovanni (could end up being on the fringes this year, still one to look out for in the future) and, particularly, Steven Bergwijn.}

12 Sep 2017 10:58:08
Some cracking names there Ed!

For me personally, and mine are more British based, i think Josh Onomah, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ademola Lookman, Carter-Vickers, Leko, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Ben Chilwell, Rob Holding, Matty James, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Joe Gomez and Lewis Cook could be ones to watch. I can see them all becoming key players this season at their respectitive clubs. I personally think Calvert-Lewin is the absolute pick of the bunch but they are all great young players. Lewin could be a Dele Alli like find from Everton though.

Last season we saw the likes of Alli, Rashford, Abraham, Sessegnon, Burke, Pickford etc become important players for their teams and i expect it to be even better this season for young talent in Britain.

Solanke and Woodburn are also worth keeping on eye on from an LFC perspective but i think they are still a season away at least from being considered key players.

12 Sep 2017 11:05:07
Atakan Akkaynak From Bayer Leverkusen.

12 Sep 2017 11:09:58
Really question that Toon. I had to google each and every one of the names though, but I remembered reading the name Akkaynak in the Chelsea page. Maybe Chelsea he will end up next year then.

One of the names is a Monaco player. Last time Monaco used to be a very big spender, now they seems to be like a really good club producing lots of young expensive talents.

12 Sep 2017 12:19:10
Malang Sarr looks like a beast, can't understand why he is not beeing hyped up more.

{Ed002's Note - There is a lot of interest in him.}

12 Sep 2017 13:24:33
Sarr and Issa Diop are good young players.

12 Sep 2017 09:39:21
Hello fellow Reds and Eds!

Hello fellow reds and Eds and hope all is well with you all.

I would like to comment on a certain talking point regarding the GK's that is doing my head in. When Migs is playing and making mistakes (see City's second and 4th goals, to see why) or being shaky, many of us and esp. those in the media say, "He is not good enough and is scaring the life out of his back line". Then, when Klopp takes him out and puts Karius in like he did vs Arsenal after Migs had flapped at two high balls vs Hoffenhiem or punished for some other reason as Ed01 said earlier, the same people say, "Why is he getting hooked? He has done nothing wrong to warrant it". Sorry but that is utter BS. Why? Simple. Both of those things cannot be true at the same time. It simply can't.

If he was was good enough and was not making mistakes, why is he getting benched then? I think Klopp is slowly but surely, phasing Migs out cos everyone can see that after a brief renaissance last season (at the last 2 months of it), he has gone back to becoming the crap GK that he always has been. But the reason he is often given the benefit of the doubt is cos people prefer the devil they know rather than the angel they don't know. I'm sorry BUT that is nonsense. In football, you want to have as many facts as you can so you can act on them. We know as a fact that Migs is crap. So why do we keep playing him, then? We don't know if Karius or Ward are the long term answer until they are given a full run of games like Pep did with Bravo at City, to know if they can do the job. Pep binned Hart cos he knew he was crap as a fact. He signed Bravo who got a full season to prove he was crap and he now has Ederson. You don't see anyone giving Pep grief for acting on the facts on the ground as they stand now, do you? This is what Klopp must do now. he must act on what he knows.

We cannot keep accepting a crap GK just cos we are afraid to give the younger BUT talented ones a chance as neither of these two could actually be any worse, IMO. Hence since, we know Migs is crap, he should be canned so we can focus on coaching and improving the young GK's we currently have who have IMO, an ability to improve as we know Migs after 4 seasons, has not improved and in fact, is getting worse. Thoughts?

12 Sep 2017 09:51:22
So i am getting the impression you don't rate Mignolet 😉.

12 Sep 2017 10:10:04
Mingolet should have been moved on ages ago.

12 Sep 2017 10:10:59
klopp needs to borrow a pair of Rafa's balls and stop playing players who are not good enough. It's quite simple. Isn't it! Mignolet doesn't automatically picks himself, the manager picks the team and well the tactics.
I don't know on what eveidence do you feel Karius would come good? Ward at least has a one full year at Huddersfield to show.

12 Sep 2017 10:14:06
I agree mate I have said it before when Klopp bought Karius and told everyone he was first choice he should have backed him for the season instead of taking him out before he could get a run of games. The lad was voted the second best Keeper in the Bundesliga behind Neuer. Yes he has lapses of concentration but I can't help think that's down to being thrown in and thrown out without a run of games. Mignolet fair play to him he did well towards the back of last season but how many years has he been here to show what he can do but shown he is not at the level we need. I think you will all be very surprised with Karius this season if Klopp gives him the champions league games.

12 Sep 2017 10:20:27
Rafa bought and played crap players on a scale tenfold to klopp OR brendan.

12 Sep 2017 11:27:48
If our GKs were girlfriends.

Migs would be current girlfriend, good but not great. You find yourself wondering why you're together sometimes, but then when you split up you can't help but remember the good times and give it a try one more time. Deep down you know it's not going to work but she's there until something better comes along.

Karius is the hot girl in the red dress you hooked up one night when out with your mates. The sex wasn't great though and you clashed teeth when kissing for the first time, but there was definitely excitement and a spark, and you can't stop thinking about her when you're sitting watching yet another series of the Great British Bake Off with your current GF.

Ward is like at sexy young 20yr old that's just joined your office - you know you probably shouldn't go there but it's still tempting.

None are marriage material at the moment but why settle for something that's just not working.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have a fourt goalkeeper registered in the first team squad as well.}

12 Sep 2017 11:50:34
I've never been happy with mignolet. Was very surprised when we announced him back in the day.

Riena was a hard act to follow and I really think karius will come good.

12 Sep 2017 11:40:11
That may be true Ed002, but nobody dates a bird called Bogdan.

In SGreds universe, Bogdan is the chunky munter who would make you steak dinner every night, forgive you for cheating on her with her sister, and even let you down the dirt track when the river runs red. But your mates will still laugh at you for trying to make a wife out of a pig.

12 Sep 2017 12:05:18
Lol SG that was world class comparison😄😄😄 ROFL.

12 Sep 2017 12:13:42
That's the jailbait.

12 Sep 2017 12:32:30
Good posts, boys and appreciate the responses as this is a debate that I have no clue why it is so hard to figure out.

Harry, I understand that Migs does not pick himself so Klopp must know something else that we don't. I will say that Klopp never rated Migs hence, why Karius was brought in as no. 1 and rightfully so cos Migs has been and is still costing us till this very day. He has definitely sent Migs a message thru his benching vs Arsenal that his place is under threat.

As for whether Karius will come good or not, I never said that he will come good BUT we have to give him a run of games to prove us right or wrong. We all want TAA, Woodburn and Gomez to get games so they can learn from whatever mistakes they make cos we believe in them. Should that not be the same for Karius or Ward or do the same rules no longer apply?

Now, I do believe that several areas of his game like his ability to be a sweeper-keeper, his distribution, his speed off his line are MUCH better than Migs. He just needs more experience and a long run in the team to see if he can get it done. Same for Ward. Surely, they can't be worse than Migs who has had 4 seasons to prove he is crap, right?

12 Sep 2017 12:36:31
Love your analogy, SG. Priceless! Are you speaking from experience, by any chance, LOL?

12 Sep 2017 13:15:44
Best post ever SGRED! Love the metaphor!

I'll try to add to it. Migs is the ex who you keep meeting up with for bunk ups even though ghe relationship is gone.

Karius is the new bird who your family hate. They keep talking about your ex (migs) in front of her.

Ward is the young page three girl who blows you away. until she opens her mouth and keeps yapping on about eastenders!

Not as good as your post SGRED but a bit of fun.

12 Sep 2017 13:44:47
I totally agree bingo. Our defence looks more organised with karius involved too.

12 Sep 2017 08:38:58
Really excited for the Sevilla game now.

Chamberlain and Coutinho both likely to come in. As are Robertson, Gomez and Karius! I also hope Sturridge gets a game. Sevilla couldn't live with him in the 2016 final!

Whatever your opinions on the City game, we are now a day away from our first Champions league game in about 3 years so let's move on and get behind the lads!

12 Sep 2017 08:44:19
I would be surprised Karius and Gomez start. Anyway, looking for any kind of win will do me.

12 Sep 2017 08:57:24
In what way could they not live with him mk? They won the game.

12 Sep 2017 09:13:03
Couldn't live with sttur9dge. Didn't they beat us and he was terrible, oh no wait he scored a goal so that equals a top performance.

12 Sep 2017 09:19:18
Yes I hope Danny gets a start tomorrow. Play two wingers either side of him and Couts behind him. He is the best finisher we have. Sevilla is a decent team and let's not underestimate them!

12 Sep 2017 09:33:59
You all must have blinkered memories. He scored an absolute beauty, and could've had more. Their defence couldn't get close to him in the first half. You can't judge him on the second half because the service completely dried up.

Sturridge is lethal when he is given time a space. In the Premier League, he doesn't get that as often as he is afforded it against European opposition. I reckon he could be our top scorer in Europe this season.

12 Sep 2017 09:44:36
MK, your last point on Studge is very interesting. We will see if it comes to fruition and if he gets to play. I think he will, IMO.

12 Sep 2017 09:46:40
Can you guys seriously not remember how lucky they were first half? Sturridge had a few good chances, Firmino should've won a penalty after turning their man inside out etc.

It is amazing how a bad second half after a ridiculous individual error can completely alter peoples memories!

Anyway, that's not the point of this post. Can we please just support the team? Or are we going to slag them off for losing 2 years ago to Sevilla?

Let's get ourselves up for some revenge!

12 Sep 2017 09:50:47
I hope your right about Karius. Migs has been dreadful this season.

12 Sep 2017 10:12:12
I am excited to see him in Europe Bingo. I think the more open European style game will suit him. He likes to get the ball and look up to see space. In the Prem when you look up their is an ugly mug like McAuley or Shawcross already about to wipe you out.

Mikey i wouldn't worry mate. In my opinion Karius will be the CL keeper, Mignolet will play league games, but i thimk Ward will play in the cups. I think Ward and Karius are basically up against each other for the goal keeper position for next season and Klopp can ease Mignolet out as this season goes on. He has already dropped him once so people won't be surprised when it happens again.

12 Sep 2017 11:10:21
That first goal against Sevilla by Sturridge form outside of his left foot is exactly why he would always remain inside the world class category. For me he is up there with Fowler. Danny could score any type of goals. I would be delighted if he plays tomorrow!

12 Sep 2017 11:30:53
Fowler? Massive claim there Harry. God was good for 30 goals a season for about 3-5 years. Sturridge has only ever broke the 20 mark once.

I can see the comparison. Left footed, technically gifted, capable of any type of goal imaginable etc. But Fowler was special mate. If injuries hadn't struck Fowler down i think we'd genuinely be discussing a player in the top 5 in history. Find me another teenager scoring 36 goals in one season in history, and I'll show you a flying pig with a unicorn horn.

I think Harry Kane is the closest to Fowler in the modern day, but even he isn't a patch on God.

12 Sep 2017 11:52:40
What a goal ds scored against seville last time! Absolute class.

12 Sep 2017 12:08:53
Flower had a short backlift which helped him to trigger it quickly against any keepers so does Danny. This is a unique feature among strikers. If not injury Sturridge would have surpassed every possible record out there atbte coub!

12 Sep 2017 12:44:13
MK, this is why Harry Kane tho an excellent player, is not in Studge's league when it comes to being able to score from almost anywhere on the pitch and the in-born faculty to find the net in impossible situations. In fact on the Seville goal, the more you watch it, the better it is. I hope he gets in the team tmrw and I also believe that Karius will be the CL GK and I hope he can get it done cos like Mikey said, Migs is simply no longer possible, anymore.

12 Sep 2017 13:18:36
Was only one player I was pissed with after seville game and that was moreno. He was so poor I actually considered deter he threw the game on purpose! Of course he didn't but he was that bad.

Anyone who cuddles a seville player in the tunnel should be fined a weeks wages.

12 Sep 2017 16:23:35
Exactly MK.

Every team suffers a serious set back, just look at Chelsea's terrible start to last season, then look what happpend!

I was fuming on Saturday after the result and said a few things on here that I shouldn't have - cough cough.

But we need to re group and get the job done tomorrow
night.