Liverpool Banter Archive May 12 2013

12 May 2013 22:32:47
Hi Macca,
do you have any information regarding Rodgers' summer targets?

12 May 2013 22:30:07
i looked on the Macca page and I saw a reply from one of the eds about finances this summer and how the owners would have to put money in them selves because we are losing money. I just wondered how much we are losing per season because of big fees payed out (like the carrol 1) and big wage fees.

i also thought because the new owners stopped us going into administration they may have got the club cheaper and cleared some of the debt. i'm probly a long way off the mark there I do find it confusing, but there was some settlement with hicks and gillet not to long ago if I remember because they disagreed with the valuation.

if we have no money would be good for our scout to come up with a few bargains/free transfers and start earning there money. it can be done look at michu and wigan compared to city. wigans team value was something like 8.6 mil compared to 140 mil. I do think we are heading in the right direction and with 2 or 3 quality additions in the summer we can push on next season.

redman mat {Ed002's Note - This has been explained before. We are not opening up again.}

12 May 2013 22:24:58
With Eriksen looking Dortmund bound I feel we should look to a player who can play in all attacking positions.

Sanchez would be great if we could get within 15-20m but I'd guess his wages would be high. Tello at 10m would also be a good option. Add a CB to that and that's our shopping done with sales making up the rest of the signings.

Payet of lille would be better than both

12 May 2013 21:50:54
If we can unearth another player like Coutinio this summer as competition and backup I think we could have a good season next year.

We now have 2 top quality strikers just need 2 for the attacking MF.

Worries me he could get injured and we have nothing to replace him as he's already a vital player for us in our small squad.

They don't grow on trees, i'm sorry to say. If they did we'd have 25 of them. As would every other club.

12 May 2013 21:24:22
Why are we intent on getting rid of Cotes according to this site? Is it is attitude because he hasn't had many games to prove himself, then we would only need one centre back.

Because of his lack of pace. You need to be as good as Hyypia or Carra to play CB in the premier league without pace.

12 May 2013 21:49:12
apparently its his lack of pace!

billynwa

12 May 2013 23:24:21
We'll only find out how good he is if he's given a run in the side

WE'LL only find out how good he is, yes. Although I have a feeling the coaching staff and manager already know how good he is. I just don't think they see him as suiting our style of play.
Expect at least 1 centre half to come in who DOES suit it.

If he was good enough in training then he would get a run in the team. He clearly isn't and neither is Assaidi so we as fans need to just move on from it. It really doesn't matter one bit to LFC what we as fans think of a player. Its BR's decision based on training who the strongest 11 are.

I for one am more than happy to see the backs of players that have been unable to get into the team all season if it will bring in new talent that will improve the squad.

He's lucky he's still getting paid after the Oldham performance.

12 May 2013 21:21:07
Argue with me all you like I still think we need another striker who will get 25+ goals a season, who will either hold the ball up, giving us another dimension (which is why I would happily take Carroll back, however I think he can only get 20 a season and that may be pushing it). Or we should go for a poacher, Sturridge is quick and finishes well but is still not consistent enough, after all he had a few chances to win the game against Everton but wasn't interested but today he turned it on? I'll never understand players like that, though he is young. If we could get Higuain for a cut price £15 million with Mourinho leaving and them needing to rebuild he would be an instant impact.

Also we need a midfield metronome, with a bit of flair who keeps the game ticking, but can pass forward and get about the pitch and score goals, like Modric or Alonso (would love to have him back) can you see it Eds? But maybe a younger version of these two a less expensive C. Eriksen would do like Gonalons of Lyon or maybe a Moritz Leitner?

Interesting to hear your views {Ed019's Note - Our metronome is Gerrard. I think we need a Player like Mata/Silva/Cazorla/Wilshere, a playmaker of that mould}

Thinking Coutinho is our metronome. only 20, and in a few years we could be building the whole side around him in a more central role. Very similar to Mata, Silva etc, I'd say we need a Diame type for protection and drive. I do like Lucas but being honest, think we could cover that position with a better player. and one who doesn't give away so many free kicks. Wanayama maybe?

Ed I wouldn't swap any of them 4 for Coutinho. let's hope Suso can finally step up next season and save us a small fortune.

I think coutinho could be that player for us plus I expect Suso will be closer next season.

I think we have the ability already. Like United proved this year, You don't need good players, You need the right mentality

Ed, haven't we already got one in Coutinho?

Personally I think the one to keep play ticking over is allen, if people would give him a chance.

Anonymous woolback

Another striker to score 25+? If one of our strikers is already scoring that many, just how is this new lad going to get a run in order to score all those goals? (barring lengthy suspensions)

To the unnamed who wouldn't swap coutinho for Mata, you're insane my friend. Mata was not only Chelsea's player of the year but is the best attacking mid in the EPL (and is hugely consistent at that). Adding him to the squad would be huge and he is right up there with Ozil as the best playmaking attacking mids in the world.

Dont get me wrong I love Coutinho and think he has an amazing future ahead but Mata is the better player right now.

Mata would probably make my European 11. Aboslutely amazing footballer! Better than Silva already!

12 May 2013 21:08:10
Hello, is there any interest from Liverpool (or other clubs) for Iago Aspas? {Ed019's Note - Swansea, Maritimo, Watford and Reading have shown an interest in Celta Vigo's Iago Aspas over recent months}

12 May 2013 21:10:31
Hey Eds, Love the site! i'm not sure but did I read a while back that Dzeko could leave City? If so is there any reason inparticular considering he is Citys top scorer in the league! And I know its very, very unlikely but is there even a slight chance we could bag em? {Ed019's Note - No chance}

12 May 2013 20:48:47
Is it just me or is our team much more exciting to watch than most other teams? I know I'm biased because I love Liverpool, but our tempo and chances make our games so fun to watch, and slightly painful to watch others. Utd, Chelsea, and most other teams just don't have that continual excitement. The only time I can watch Utd. or Chelsea is if they're losing or drawing cause that's the only time I'm entertained enough to watch their brand of football. Add more wins and we're set.

Can't disagree with that. Not only because the button is missing. But, because you're right!

12 May 2013 20:09:35
Hi Ed's, do you think Liverpool would have a chance of signing Kaka? Would be a great buy. Thanks and keep up the great work. AIDAN13 {Ed052's Note - no chance}

No chance and probably no desire.

12 May 2013 20:00:02
Coates played really well today.

Random Red

Aggered! Hope he stay's and get's a proper run in next year.
Aldo

He did, but he never had much to compete against. I'll tell you what, he's as flat footed as they come and decent players would turn him inside-out.

DaveyBootle

12 May 2013 19:46:09
Just want to say again I APOLOGIES for calling Hendo s*** and hope he keeps his form up. Just going to moan about Allen instead ;-D

People like you always need a scapegoat, so why change your habit now?

Or get behind the player like you should of with Hendo?

12 May 2013 19:56:47
lucas and johnson are the real worry

majestic69

Well done gaz. The signs were always there mate as they are with most of the young lads. Keep supporting them. Lesson learned.

Alfie

Hendo's ability and dedication to our cause was never in doubt. It is Johnson that worries me. Never seen such a casual approach for someone earning around 90k. BR should have taken him off instead of wisdom for enrique.

12 May 2013 19:25:11
I have faith we can challenge for next 4 next year.

If Rogers managed to pick up two excellent players in Coutinho and Sturridge for a combined £20 million there's no reason he can't do it again.

With the funds from the owners and sales we will have at the very least £40 million to spend and this figure could be as high as 55-60 million.

2 defenders, 1 cdm, 1 winger and we'll be in good shape.

12 May 2013 18:45:12
Evening Eds and fellow reds. Not Liverpool related but as a fan I thought this would be the best place to ask. With Monaco seemingly willing to flash the cash and invest in some big attacking names, Do you know anything regarding the future of Edgar Salli? Any known interest from anyone in particular? I've been interested since I heard him referred to as 'The next Samuel Eto'o'.

Cheers Lads {Ed002's Note - There is nothing right now.}

12 May 2013 18:36:03
Genuinely think we have a 20+ a year striker in Sturridge, and a true bargain.

Mark Lawrenson is pretty stuipid. And not in any way funny - even though he clearly thinks he should be a stand-up. I wish he would stand up - and then sod off somewhere else and stop annoying us all.

What did he say?

12 May 2013 18:04:07
Hey folks, just seen the result and I'm made up for the reds, Sturridge especially with his hat trick. What did everyone make of the performance today? Not had a chance to watch it and we are last on MOTD (as per haha) so general comments? How was the defence?

12 May 2013 18:01:12
Not Liverpool related but unconfirmed reports Mancini has left/will leave Man City within 48 hrs.

12 May 2013 17:57:43
1st macmannaman lol who fromwatford then, no doubt their 1st goal scorer!

12 May 2013 17:56:34
Well that's one decision made - watchin man u v swans we must not buy Ashley Williams clumsy simply not good enough

Agree with you, but it didn't take today's match to confirm that.

Need to aim higher than Williams.

Ive had it on good authority from a photographer who takes match fotos at anfield the owners fully behind rodgers in transfers but insist he must buy young players so they can mature into top class players who will win trophys they looking at 24 and under

Plus I believe his past comments on Suarez would unsettle the squad

12 May 2013 17:34:18
Can't wait to see the best of coutinho, sturridge, suarez next season. I really think borini and joe allen will have big seasons as well. add 2-3 quality players and we'll fly up the table. brendan will prove his doubters wrong.

12 May 2013 17:26:43
Good performance today and Coutinho. WOW!
Was really hoping to see to suso with coutinho but oh well there's next season! hahahha an Sturridge migth be the quickest to first 50 goals for LFC!

12 May 2013 17:22:37
Alright eds;I have a qns.
Is the EPL fixed?A friend of mine says that EPL is fixed as in the people bet on the clubs & the club with the best bet wins.
And it is strange that all the predictions he says come true because of he is able to read the bets disclosed which I'm unable to. I know u may say that he is fooling me but how can a person fool you for past 4 seasons by given he always predicts it right?. Thanks {Ed002's Note - I fix it so the Liverpool fans have something to complain about all of the time. Otherwise it is no fun.}

Then I would suggest that every week you put £10 on a ten match accumulator and make some money for yourself instead of talking b******* on a banter page

12 May 2013 17:13:22
Daniel Sturridge woooohooo!

Well done on your first hat trick son!

And our little Brazilian no 10. just magical!

Let's take this form into next season lads!

12 May 2013 17:04:31
Sturridge has now become reached 10 premier league goals quicker than any other Liverpool striker

12 May 2013 16:55:04
I tell ya what rodgers what a lil gem u have found in our lil number 10 magic absolute magic JON96

12 May 2013 16:46:31
Can someone tell me what is the point in having Suso on the bench

The same point as having the other's on the bench
fforestfach red

Because Coutinho is better. simple as that.

Red Lee

Always something to be negative about eh?

Because right now, it's a clear no contest between Coutinho and Suso for that No. 10 position.

As a counterbalance.

12 May 2013 16:37:57
Shelvey's a young lad, but I think he just doesn't have the speed or composure to make it at Liverpool

12 May 2013 16:24:18
Danny sturridge proven a lot of doubters wrong this great to see well done lad keep it up YNWA JON96

I was one of those doubters, but have to admit I was wrong. It was n't just his hat-trick but his overall performance and few good tricks.
After his second goal he showed a bit of selfishness in a couple of occasions where passing would 've been a better options, but let's face it, 4 out of 5 strikers will go for goal when they are on a hat-trick.
Well done to Daniel, I really hope he keep it up next season, he can be an outstanding player if he stays this hungry for success, and does n't let it get to his head
Roy

12 May 2013 15:58:21
What an absolutely fantastic goal that was by Daniel Sturridge! Perfect take, lovely turn and then a wicked weak foot strike. He's really starting to prove me wrong, I really didn't like him much as a player at the start of this season! {Ed023's Note - That's because he was a Chelsea player :)}

That is very true Ed023 haha

Tbf though, I thought he was a greedy player who worked for himself rather than the team, but at Liverpool I have been impressed with his ability to hold up the ball and bring midfielders/wide players into the game.

His end product has come on too! Is this 11 goals and 5 assists already? Very impressive!

12 May 2013 15:38:13
Wisdom, Carra and Coates. We all knew there would be Fulham goals, but to leave Berbatov open for free header is simply criminal. I think we can all see why we need to ship Coates and, replace (respectfully) Carra. Shelvey also horrible first touch and no vision

12 May 2013 15:37:13
What's our formation today?

12 May 2013 15:28:47
Hey eds and reds
More of a statement than a question
As good as gerrard is (world class) I would like to see gerrard not be the first name on the team sheet I want Rodgers to have the guts to drop the captain when needed and this season I think there has been times he should of bin on the bench and a more mobile player used.
Davylivercabs

That's a good idea. and fact let's drop all of our best players.

Dribble post of the day!

Red Lee

12 May 2013 21:30:24
Posts like these make me believe in parallel universes. You must obviously be watching games in one.

12 May 2013 14:52:41
Good luck to Coates today, again being asked to play in a weakened side and more importantly a shuffled back 4 is not easy for the lad.
So give him a chance as the back 4 play as a unit and it takes time to settle in, bed in. Just hope he can play his own game to a point and show us what he can do.

Agree, he will soon show us his potential

12 May 2013 14:40:40
my posts don't seem to be getting tru ed. redman matt {Ed002's Note - A lot are not getting through today Matt due to the high levels of abuse from so called Liverpool supporters. If they are abusive towards the Editors - we will block posts until the abuse goes away.}

12 May 2013 14:02:15
All the posts enquiring about us signing McManaman. We've already got a tricky, pacy winger with no end product in Assaidi, so why would you want another?

McManaman is more direct than assiadi.

He also attacks the opposition box frequently and very smart with his moves. also much more aggressive.

Assiadi just sits in the side and rarely attack the opposition box. also he is less aggressive imo.

12 May 2013 13:39:14
Are Liverpool fans happy with their season? Really?
Kenny was sacked even though we won a trophy, got to the FA cup final AND dominated teams in games (even ones higher in the table) AND hit the woodwork a record (37?) times. unlucky to say the least! Suarez was banned for 8 games and we didn't have Stevie for a third of the season.
Now, Carroll's on loan (he's scoring goals!), our bench looks much weaker than other (top) teams, and if it wasn't for Sturridge (needs to PASS!) and Coutinho our additions would've looked below standards enjoyed by LFC in the past.
ARE WE RESIGNED TO THE FACT THAT WE MUST SETTLE FOR TOP4 (IF WE ARE LUCKY) AND FORGET ABOUT CHALLENGING? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN TO US?
Your views would be appreciated.
A very worried Liverpool fan (42 years a Red)

Rodgers has done just as well, if not better than kenny with a worse budget, considering rodgers buys if he had that money that kenny had we would be in the top 4

Dont worry be happy

It went downhill went H&G took over and the snowball to nothingness has just gained speed ever since.

BR is not an improvement on Kenny.

What many forget is that LFC is well below Chelsea, Citeh, & Utd. in terms of revenue and the FFPR won't close that gap immediately if at all.

Without an oil barron or the commercialism of United teams will struggle and that includes LFC.


Money is King in this ERA how I wish this Era was over!

Wild Woulfe McBain

Lets just see what happens next season but I think we will close the gap

12 May 2013 13:24:27
So desperate are City to buy Suarez, they will pay £50m + a re-formation of Oasis, who will play a one-off gig at Anfield, in which Paul McCartney will also be playing. All tickets will be paid for by Sheikh Mansoor.

El Pi**edolero

Id take that

Surely Take That won't perform


Paisleys Slippers

12 May 2013 12:47:27
Liverpool's number 1 target summer is Christian Eriksen who is expected to cost around £12.5m. Rodgers is planning on using his budget wisely and he is looking at two bargain centre backs. Alex Pearce of Reading and Douglas of FC Twente are both available on free transfers. Loic Remy could provide extra cover for Luis Suarez who will miss the start of next season due to suspension. Remy is has a clause in his contract which allows him to leave for somewhere in the £6-8m mark since QPR have been relegated. Tom Ince, Victor Wanyama and Lucas Digne all remain targets but Rodgers will have to raise some cash first. Andy Carroll, Dani Pacheco, Jay Spearing, Danny Wilson and Sebastian Coates all look certain to leave while Rodgers is also considering selling Jonjo Shelvey and Stewart Downing despite a recent upturn in form to raise funds.

12 May 2013 11:36:48
Ed's what is LFC's position in the fair play league?

FowlerGod {Ed002's Note - It should be out next week - from memory this is the final weekend for games counting toward the European table.}

12 May 2013 11:00:58
Ed002.

Thanks for reply. Good points. Defence indeed needs massive shoring; it was single biggest cause of numerous dropped points. Lack of leadership and abject positional play have cost us dearly.

De Vrij would be ideal, because of age, talent and leadership qualities. I'm sure we'd pay what's needed to get him if he were priority. Problem is, however, he is no priority.

I fear what we will end up with is Micah Richards, Ashely Williams or a poor man's De Vrij.
That's the thing that bugs me with Liverpool. We never pursue our ideal signing, even when they are viable.

I'd bet my last pound that if we intended buying a CB last summer, we'd never have even considered Jan Vertonghen at the price he went for.
Overlooking Keisuke Honda and Moussa Sissoko for expensive Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson was typical Liverpool.

Ja, ja, ja! Hendo and Stewie have "improved". But being completely honest here, how many would have opted for that deal?
I've no doubt in my mind that Honda and Sissoko would have added far enormous quality to our side.

This is not a swipe at Comoli or Kenny; these are just cold hard facts.
We have spent a great deal more than Spurs the past 2, 3 years, yet they remain a far superior side to us.

Why? Because we buy poorely. We are predisposed to invariably always overlook the ideal, perfect signing for it's lesser alternative.

It's like it's embedded in our psyche and our psyche alone to pursue shocking, mind-boggling deals.
How many would have paid 35m for Carroll? 15m for Allen instead of, e. g. Dembele?
It's like only we are and we alone are intent on and capable of pursuing the dumbest deals over the smartest ones.

Balazs Dzsudzak, a fairly young, quality wide man on reasonable who'd instantly impact our play, will be available this summer. However, true to our nature, we will overlook him for lesser, overhyped and overpriced Tom Ince.
Incredible.

Incredible that about 150m has been spent since Rafa's last season, yet we are no more closer to achieving top 4 than we were when he left.

The owners have had their fair share of blunders, but to accuse them of not backing their men in the transfer market, as some clowns and cretins have heen doing here, is preposterous, utter BS.

Money's been provided, in bucket loads. Those entrusted with spending it are the culprits. If anyone has earned a trip to the guillotines, it's not Henry and Werner.

100% correct. Our scouts must be awful

Some of your points are true, but you are overlooking some points, mate.
Now, signing Downing and Hendo was not the brightest move, especially at these inflated fees, but it was part of a strategy - recruiting talent already used to the premierleague. We failed in said strategy, and this took down Comoli and Kenny, but it had a certain merit to it, and at least brought valuable lessons to the owners.
It is true that there were better talents out there, but Cissoko and Honda re not the perfect examples. Moussa at the time would've costed 12-18 mln - it is only this winter he came on the cheap, and after he failed as a CM! At the moment, I will take Hendo over him day and night! As for Honda, he has quality, but is no assured success. Transition from Russia to Premier is hard, proven by Zhirkov, Arshavin, etc. Kagawa also didn't exactly land on his feet. The manager wanted people to land on their feet, while Honda would have taken time to adjust - I don't say that this reasoning is right, for Hendo and downing also couldn't adjust from the start, but there was reasoning behind picking them.
I do hope we go for Balazs Dzudzak (spelling), I was a huge fan of his, but I doubt he will come cheap, his fee has been greatly inflated by heavy investments first from Anzhi, then from Dinamo. A younger, hungrier winger (though I have started to dislike Ince), might be a better solution.

Drigan

12 May 2013 07:20:28
Do the EDs now why Assaidi has not played any football for us. Is it because he is rubbish? Then why did BR sign him in the first place?
Do we have leverage in the Dutch league to use Assaidi as bargaining tool?

Husni

12 May 2013 00:21:54
Interestingly tomorrow I'd like to see Coutinho and Suso play together in a 4231.

I do too, I think Suso should start ahead of Hendo. I can see Suso and Coutinho could work pretty well together. Both got great movement and both really good on the ball.

FowlerGod.

I think hendo is one of the first on team sheet, no brainer. Play him in a deeper role

Both are too lightweight to have in the one team

Lightweight? Mata and hazard are buff then?

12 May 2013 09:26:01
hi EDs, I was wondering if you know of any players that we have an interest in, I see a lot of names such as Bony and TA being thrown about but you think we are not interested. I have tried the search function but a lot just seems to be people making things up, much appreciated for any reply, thank you. {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts.}

12 May 2013 07:51:01
Hi eds, I remember last season everyone was talking about a young dutch lad who was scoring for fun in the dutch league, and we were linked with him. I think he ended up moving to a german team. after all the hype, how did he get on? {Ed002's Note - Luuk De Jong is at Borussia Munchengladbach and doing fine.}

That is 1 player I really hoped that we would get when we interested in him! Shame really, good player

11 May 2013 21:53:09
Sorry eds I asked yestrday about luca morra I meant luca marrone young juve cdm any interest from lfc? {Ed002's Note - No.}